Green Light with Chris Long - Charles Barkley! NBA Playoffs, Early Days In Philly, His Suns vs. These Suns, Kenny's Knees & The Bar Fight.

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

(01:20) - Welcome, Layup Line and Carl Nassib Living His Truth. (28:04) - Charles Barkley Talks Most Painful Loss In Career, Early Days In Philly, His Suns vs. These Suns, Cancel Culture, Working With Shaq and Kenny, & The Bar Fight. (1:15:36) - Chris and Macon Pick Their Top Two Shows From Madison Square Garden's 1987 Lineup. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I suppose why am I not getting a play? He says, young fellow, you're fat and you're lazy. I'm like, what? He says, you're fat and you're lazy. And he said, Charles, you're fat and you can't work hard. You can't play basketball in the NBA at 290, 300, 300, 300, 300 pounds. So this guy who was already won an all-time grade says, I'll meet you every morning. I'll meet you every night.

And he made me lose, he said, let's lose 10 pounds. So I get to 290. I'm starting the field belt. I get to 280. 270, and now I'm starting to get to play. I get to 260, and I get to 250. And this guy helped me lose 50 pounds and turn me into an all-star and a Hall of Famer. Airhorn warning.

Charles Barkley, Sir Charles, joining the Greenlight Pod today. 1993 NBA MVP, coolest guy in the world, round mound of rebound. That was a lot of fun. He also has like 14 other nicknames we found out on NBA. reference.com, which they do the nickname thing. And they're not terribly flattering. No. He's Sir Charles.

He's the chuckster. That's all you need. Love Boat, I think was one of them. Leaning Tower of Pizza. Yeah. They were fun. And I think for anybody else, they might have been a little bit. Here's how Charles might respond to some of those, as you will hear in a bit.

Man, fuck that shit. He was totally, you know, it's funny, it's amazing he doesn't let it fly more on inside the NBA, like accidentally. A lot of Fs, a lot of S's, a lot of great stories. It's a terrific interview. He's awesome. Love Chuck. Most people love Chuck.

But yeah, anyways, we have him on in a few. We're going to clear the dance floor for him. And we're going to do our little open. Where are we starting? Elgin, Illinois. Hello. Man, I got to tell you. I got to tell you.

Holler at me. Not much to holler about. No offense to Elgin. I'm sure it's lovely. I'm sure you know, you guys are probably considering yourselves from like Chicago more than anything when I looked on the map there. There's just not a lot listed as far as things going on in Elgin. I think they filmed a few scenes and movies and that sort of thing. Like it's a, it's a scene for that.

But there's no famous people, notable people from Elgin. How's that possible? There are few. Who? Meredith Gunter. Really? She's from Elgin. Yeah.

Eighth largest city in Illinois. Yeah, I noticed that. 35 miles northwest of Chicago. But more importantly, if you're naming cities, it has a nice flow to it. Elgin, Illinois. Yeah, it's not bad. And flow, there's a river running right through it. The Fox.

No Brad Pitt. Don't care for foxes. I don't think you're fishing out of that river. You're not wading in the banks of the Fox River. I mean, it's running through Chicago. Layup line. today. Here I come by Barrington Levy. I'm just trying to infuse a little, little reggae on this Thursday afternoon. Shibidi-dib-d-do-do-do-da-da-da. I can't be a wall. Swimba-doo. Shippity-doo.

Barrington Levy's the man in actuality. I just had to pick, you know, we kind of, sometimes you run out of songs here. You hit a wall creatively. And so I hope you enjoy some reggae. Barrington Levy, I first heard Barrington Levy as a teenager listening to Shine, which is, uh, if you remember this song, it's, uh, Shine on. No, no, Shine is a rapper. He moved, was extradited, he went to prison, then he went and ran for office in an island

country in the Caribbean. He's had a pretty interesting life, Shine. Barrington Levy was on the hook of probably his most famous song, Bad Boys. He was on the Puff Daddy label, and then they fell out. This is when Puff Daddy was Puff Daddy. I could be butchering the story, but that's where I first heard Barrington Levy was on the hook of Bad Boys. And if you're my age and you went outside as a teenager,

you might remember that song. A couple birthdays. Chris Christopherson birthday this week. You've heard of Chris Christopherson. Musical artist. Chris Christopherson, the coolest show. I don't know what the best show I've ever seen. like, you know, but the coolest show I've ever been to. It was a great show. I just can't give it that

title. But it was one of the most moving concerts I've ever been to because obviously Chris Christopherson turned 85 years old this week. I saw him five years ago with my buddy Kenny here at the Paramount. It was just him, a Persian rug, a guitar, and a microphone in a dark auditorium. And it was one of the most like moving things I have seen musically. Happy birthday, Chris Christopherson. and 85 years old. Also, Eric Carl, do you know who that is? You wouldn't. Neither would I.

But I happen to sometimes look up books that my kids love and I love on YouTube, on nights where I just wanna mix it up. I don't feel like reading the book, which is hypocritical of me because I have a bunch of reading initiatives under the umbrella of my foundation. I like to hear the author narrate it sometimes. Very hungry caterpillar by Eric Carl.

My man is, I think he's born in like 1925, I saw that. So he's getting up there in age. But Eric Carl, wherever you are, thank you. Very hungry caterpillar, maybe my favorite book. I mean, as far as, like, children's books are concerned. When I was a kid, it was Giving Tree. Now it's very hungry Caterpillar. A lot of special evenings.

You don't like Giving Tree. It's too deep. We've talked about this. No, no, no. Eric Carl died May 23rd of this year. Oh, well, he's dead. So I'll tell that to Whalen. So we just missed him.

A month ago. I think he's in the part of heaven where they can still hear podcasts. Eric Carl, thank you for a very hungry caterpillar. The many other books that you've written and happy birthday to Eric Carl. Yeah, today, very much today, June the 25th.

I cannot put, they need to put a little like on the celebrity birthday thing. They need to put a little like cross next to him. You know that little cross that they put for people like to make the Hall of Fame or that sort of thing on basketball reference. You're talking about a little, a little annotation. Yeah,

annotation man like hey not cross him out dude no i thought we were talking like jesus i'm talking about a little crucifix how about an asterisk that could be an asterisk i don't know that's he's dead eric carl's dead my my kids dreams are crushed the caterpillar's dead you know it's interesting eric dad's dad's name was also eric but spelled differently eric h was his dad and then he had a son named him eric eric it's a little easier to pronounce if you're trying to read the author Hey, you want to do good, bad and ugly? I sure do. Okay, cool.

Fire away. Well, the obvious good this week, if you're a football fan, is that Carl Nassib, defensive end, who plays for the Las Vegas Raiders, formerly of the Bucks and I think a couple other teams, but a good solid vet. At this point, more of a veteran, rusher contributor in Vegas, came out of the closet.

He is gay. He talked about that. at relative length, and I just remember thinking like, good for him. I'm so excited for Carl. And good for anybody, you know, who has the courage to come out and live in their truth. And, you know, tell the people they love, tell people in the case of Carl Nassup that cheer for him, who he is. I mean, I'm sure he would tell you this.

It's not 100% of who he is. It's part of who he is. And so I'm excited for him to be able to share that. and we spent a lot of time this week talking about the delineation between first active player to come out of the closet and then first drafted player in Michael Sam. I don't think the language is as important. And I think as Carl said, he hopes that one day this isn't a big deal. You don't have to make announcements like this.

I think guys will support him. I really do. I think he's a good player. And I think all guys care about in a locker room for the most part is that. guys can play. I would say if you're asking what the homophobia rate in the NFL is, I'd say, I don't know, look around. Homophobia doesn't have an ethnicity. Homophobia doesn't have an occupation. Homophobia is everywhere. And I think that like when you look at the NFL is saying like, because it's this big macho place, it's not going to work for him in locker rooms. You would love for it to

get to a place where guys feel good about living in that truth, inside and out of that locker room. You know what I mean? And I think what Carl's doing and the way he did it the other day was really great. And there's no right way to do it. There's no wrong way to do it. But I just love the way he did it. And he got right to the chase.

You know, he was matter of fact. And I think he's going to be a great ambassador. And let me say this. You know, Michael Sam deserves a lot of credit. You know, guys like him, Ryan Russell, guys like that in recent years who have come out of the closet as drafted NFL players like Michael Sam or as guys who had just existed.

of the league like Ryan Russell. That stuff is great. It kind of normalizes things. And I think that's the way it should be. I think people should be able to speak on who they are and live in that truth. But the thing about, you know, the one thing I didn't love this this week was, and this seems to be something we do a lot online. I'm trying to be calm about this and not like really like we turned Carl Nassib's coming out into an argument.

It turned into an argument. The nomenclature, first active player. is this erasure of Michael Sam? I don't think so. I just think that, like, people don't understand it's a big deal that this guy's going to be playing games on a team, playing multiple snaps,

like 30, 40 snaps on a team throughout much of the season. And maybe he doesn't play as much this year. I mean, they just added Unique in Gagway. They also have Max Crosby. I mean, they've got good players. Maybe he doesn't play a lot, and people might read into it.

And this is the problem is, like, the other day we get into this argument of was Michael Sam Blackballed. And I'm reading a lot of takes talking about him being blackballed. And the only reason I'd ever look to give context to that conversation and refute that claim, it's not bearing your head in the sand.

It's not downing Michael Sam when people are trying to make him into a martyr. Michael Sam did an enormously courageous thing. You know, I was on that defensive line in St. Louis when he came out. And then we find out that we're drafting him in the seventh round, which was like, this was a big deal. The entirety of the sports media world

just descended upon our locker room. And upon Michael Sam, I mean, they made it a much bigger deal than it was in the locker room. So the reality is, effectively the perception. So we have to hunker down and figure out, and we'd love to get to a place where we don't have to have these conversations, like how can we best accommodate Mike and make him feel comfortable

in this D-Line room? And so we were there. I was there. I saw it all. And the reason I would refute the blackballing thing is because, again, it's not silencing people who are fighting for something. I'm the most excited person in the world for Carl and for guys like Michael and Ryan and guys like that. And I feel bad for guys that who have for decades in the NFL had to possibly suffer in silence.

But Michael Sam wasn't blackball. And it's important to outline that fact because there will be more guys who will be on the offense about coming out in the NFL. And if the internet told them that Michael Sam was irrefutably blackballed by the NFL, then guys are going to say, well, that's probably what's going to happen to me if I'm less than a Carl Nassib or maybe more, or I just don't want to deal with it because the country has a homophobia problem. The media has a homophobia problem. Locker rooms have a homophobia problem. If it's there, it's a problem. But Michael Sam was given a fair shake in St. Louis. You know, to add context for anybody who was wondering,

Michael Sam was drafted in the seventh round. At the very end, a lot of people say, well, if you're an SEC player of the year, it makes no sense that you slid that long. Michael Sam, awesome kid. We loved having him. He was drafted by the wrong D line, and I don't think he had the football build

or skill set to play in the league. If he played in the 90s, Michael Sam, I think he would have stuck if the environment was right. Let's say the environment was right. football wise, skill level wise, size, speed wise, explosion. He didn't have that stuff to play a four three defensive end in the 2010s. In the NFL, the game has changed. He didn't have the size of a big physical left end,

but he lacked the twitchiness that it took to be anything else. And so that puts you in a bind. On top of that, he got drafted by probably the best defensive line in the league. At that time, like, we had nicknames for our D-Line, that sort of thing. We had, you know, Michael Brockers, you know, Kendall Langford, myself, William Hayes, Robert Quinn. I think the year he got drafted, might have been the same year. Aaron Donald got drafted. I'm not sure.

But it was just a terrible locker room to enter if you wanted to carve a rollout. There was not much room. And the only room left was the room for like a fourth end that would probably play some special teams and bounce around, play inside and outside. there was a guy by the name of Ethan Westbrooks, who I love. Ethan Westbrook's is an all-timer. Kid from East Oakland, tattoo guy,

a tattoo guy, Texas Jucco. He actually still owes me and William Hayes a tattoo. He lost a bet in the preseason of that year that if he didn't get a certain amount of sacks, he was going to get a tattoo of me and William Hayes. He still hasn't paid up on that, but he has a tattoo on his face, so we're just figuring like tattoos are not a big deal to him.

Anyways, Ethan, he's got good size, really twitchy can play inside and out and good length. So like he was kind of shit out of luck. He was the seventh round pick, but people, that doesn't mean anything, especially not in the new CBA. I can remember in the old CBA, we cut like a third or fourth rounder one year.

I mean, I was blown away. So I only say all that to say, that's the layup internet take to look back and find something and to, you know, fight for something. We can fight for something without, without having to run with the Michael Sam was blackballed hypothesis.

I would imagine it would scare dudes out of, you know, coming out when that wasn't the truth. Hey, if it was true, I'd be 100% there with you. But Michael just, he couldn't, I don't think he had the skill set in the NFL, and that's fine, dude, a lot of guys don't. And he definitely didn't in St. Louis. And then, you know, I had people say to me,

well, what about special teams? Special teams in the NFL nowadays, because the question is obviously, like why couldn't he stick with a team special teams in the NFL is reserved for fast linebackers back end guys and a few defensive ends there's no more wedge you know what i mean like there's no more hey big guys sit down there hold hands and take on three guys that are running down the field on kickoff we got rid of that you know what i mean like so body types on special teams are changing and sometimes guys just don't have a spot and i think that's what happened but i michael sam like kudos to him and rightfully so

people are reminding people celebrating Carl Nassib of Michael Sam because I'm sure if you ask Carl, Michael factored into his willingness to come out in 2021. And that's the way this thing goes, right? Hopefully in four years, the next time or, you know, in a year or in a couple months, if there's a guy that wants to share his truth or speak his truth and live in his truth, like he can do that because the guy's like Michael and Ryan and Carl and anybody else who was retired before that, that's after football, been comfortable enough to come out. Yeah, this is great for Carl, great story, but there are levels to the dumbness of the arguments on Twitter. For instance, I think there are people who are progressive or want to seem progressive

look at this Carl Nassive news and want to say, who cares? It's no big deal, like in a good way in that it shouldn't be a big deal. Right, right. L. Z. Granderson had a great tweet. The truth is saying who cares to Nassib's disclosure in a year in which more than 250 anti-LGBQ bills have been introduced across the country is not affirming, it's insulting. That's exactly, I saw the same tweet and it's brilliantly put. Yep. It is a big deal. And Carl Nassiv is a hero to a lot of people, I'm sure, just as Michael Sam was, just as Ryan Russell was.

And, you know, hopefully the fifth, seventh, ninth, tenth, 11, 12th, 13th guy is not going to be, have to have to be thought of as this big hero. No doubt about it. Well said by you. Good for Carl. Yep. You got some good? Yes, I do. Big downshift in gears, if you will. Yeah, yeah. To a first world problem in our, neck of the woods. You're back into first gear. H-O-A's, okay. They're obligated to burn the money they collect from you. Okay, if there's not a not a good reason to do it, there'll be a bad reason to do it. I've been driving on some really smooth roads over the last several months. Just smooth roads.

And now we hear that all the roads are going to be repaved because what else we're going to do with this pile of cash. So therefore, I'm guessing this is the reason why our trash didn't get picked up. Right. On Friday? No, I know. I had a trash problem too. Same time disposal. We usually love them.

I got dirty diapers sitting in there, bros. Not my own, but my dog. and and I rely on the on the service I pay for right pick up the trash on a weekly basis so neighbor calls me midweek says I know you're dealing with this issue your trash hasn't been picked up can I come pick up your trash hand it grab the bags by hand out of your trash bin put them into the back of my pickup and haul them away for you I said I said yes sir you may and that person was you sounds like good Samaritan to me see long calls up says I'm going to come by, take your trash for you.

That's right. What a guy. Yeah, no, I've had a good week. I've had a good week. You know, I'm a public servant, man. Like, when I walk into a grocery store, I'm wearing a mask. I'm being respectful because the, the pandi's not over, right? Like, Tuesday after we recorded.

We record on Monday. Monday. I found myself in a grocery store. I walk right in and who do I see? Me. You all up in the grill of the cashier. Who is just trying to. Who is not masked?

by the way. But I'm masked, okay? And we met eyes, dude. And it was the most classic, like, moment of, oh, we're talking about this on Thursday. And you were like, you could not wait to get out of the store. Me, the guy who got shit during the Pandy all the time. You had a big divider.

Divider here. You told me like, hey, you know, I don't know if I can come in for months, that sort of thing. You made me mask up with regularity. I was the one with the mask on it Well it gets even worse I'm about to have PETA on my ass because the rabbit was in the car

The dog And she had just been bathed A little cut and clean for the rabbit Right And you know AC up just running in to get The eggs and the milk for my lovely wife That's right

And so I had to be in and out And as I'm approaching the door To the grocery store And I'm going to be a massed grocerer From here on out Right I reached into my back pocket for the mass. It's not there.

I have a decision to make. Leave the rabbit in the car even longer, which you're not to do. Yeah. Or go in. Right. Which I'm allowed to do. Right.

And so I go in. Eggs, milk, in and out in like 60. It was really, really fast. Very expeditious. Yeah, of course. Really fast. Very little chance that you would transmit a novel. And then I see your ass.

And yeah, it sucked. I knew it would come up. You were fumbling for your telephone to try to tried to get video. That's why I ran out of the grocery store. You ran out of the grocery store. And that was that. It was like a curb moment. It was legitimately a curb moment. It really was. And I'm not going to hold your feet to the fire here. Uh, you know, we'll just move on. Okay. But I care about other people. I'm a big society guy. Obviously. Yeah. As in my, big dog guy too, which is why I had to get back to the rabbit. Yeah, who was baking in a car. So you were baking your

dog in a car. You were maskless, just holding court at the fucking at the line up there. Holding court. And you can't take out your own trash. I'm in there digging for redacted shitty diapers. Whole process this week. That's my bad. Can I add it? That's good. Can I add a good?

And then we're going to get Charles Barkley. We'll do bad on the back end. Please. We'll save the bad for after Chuck. Because you can't go bad to Charles Barkley. I just don't feel like we can do that. I have space between my teeth. I'm getting things caught between my teeth with regularity.

Now I've never in my life. You know how you're always talking about Chris? You don't flawless enough when you found out that. floss like once a month. I never had space between my teeth. Never. I'm all of a sudden getting like, you know, Invisal on guys.

It's changing the game for me. I'm getting things caught in my teeth like all the time. It's like when I had a bad reaction to the vaccination I got for the novel coronavirus pandemic, they're like, oh, that means it's working. Yeah. Your immune system is firing on all cylinders. I don't know if you should fix your teeth.

I hear you get things caught in them. rather just walk around looking ugly as fuck things are shifting around it means it's working yes it's working it's working it's working it's shout out to invisaline who follows me on instagram i don't know what they're trying to do but if you need me i'm right here hello fresh i could be you invisible yeah my teeth used to look fucked up i used to not smile during pictures and everybody online would say here's a picture I ran you down to take at the bar. Why aren't you smiling? Well, 50% because I look ugly as fuck when I smile. The other 50 is you were insufferable to meet. Hey man, thanks for coming to my wedding. Couldn't be bothered to smile in any of the pictures.

Right. Oh, invited Chris Long to my, to my wedding via snail mail. He showed up. We'd never met before but gosh he doesn't smile a lot I felt like a piece of meat every time somebody says that to me like I'm performing for people or I'm like hey I was eating dinner you tap me on the shoulder I turned my neck and I wasn't smiling well it's because I got teeth like fucking like a dolphin out there swimming around in the ocean the only guy had worse teeth to me was Wilcompton

you seen Wilcompton's old teeth he's a little bit more forthright he posts them pull them up I legitimately wouldn't smile and pictures. And you know what the worst thing is? Your friends and the people close to you being like, I don't see anything wrong with your teeth. I'm like, look at them. They're fucked up. Now they're good. Yeah. I'm like 11 weeks deep. Invisaline. Come holler at your boy here. I can, I can sell. Now smiling for pictures. Chris Long. If I don't smile for pictures now, like, it's really bad. Hey, guy we met. I don't think we got a picture with him though when we met him. Charles Barkley.

No, you got to, at least for me, and I would guess for you too, it's like you're locked in on being, on not being that guy. Yeah. You're locked in on being cool guy when you're in the presence of a Charles Barkley. There's no, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't deign to pull out my mobile phone. But he took off, he took the pressure off us. He's that guy that like, you know, guy that the elephant in the room is that everybody's trying to be cool around him. and he takes the pressure off you so it's easy to be cool around Charles Barkley

he has that rare ability and I appreciate that he was so cool to us when we met him in Minneapolis after Virginia beat Auburn after Virginia beat Auburn after Virginia had been in Texas Tech so we were champs that night and

we we couldn't find a drink to celebrate until we got word that the Chuckster was at the Hyatt and the Hyatt's not going to tell Charles Barkley at the bars closed? No, the bar stayed open. The bar stayed open.

And I can remember at one point we were talking and it was like we sat down and it was Jay Billis and Jay Williams who's going to come up later in the pod, Chuck. And the whole group of a Stanford Steve was there. And it was just a good little like crew. And I think Lefco was there too. Lefco was there too. He pointed that out when he came on the show. And everybody was sitting there and it was a small group.

And as things went on, it was like three minutes later, there were five people standing behind Charles listening to him. Then there were 10 people. Then there were 15. And 20 minutes into Charles kind of holding court, in the truest sense of the phrase that I've ever seen, there was like a pack of people, like 30 deep, standing behind Charles that had no affiliation with the table or the grouping,

but we're just listening to Charles tell stories the same way he talks inside the NBA. I think what's really refreshing about Charles Barkley is he legitimately doesn't have a filter. And, you know, I think sometimes people get upset with him about that. But at least I know where that guy stands. You know what I mean? And I enjoy him. I really enjoy that show. I don't think they'll ever be another pregame post game show that captures that same type of magic.

You know, in football, my dad's crew, people really love the way they get along. Those guys, I mean, it's less polished than normal preimposed. and I think they kind of have the market cornered on doing a podcast on TV. What just so happens to be two of the best players of all time, a guy like Kenny, who's a terrific basketball player, well known, and Ernie, who is just the perfect yin to their yang.

Consument Pro. Yeah, it's hard to do a pre-and-post that is oftentimes more entertaining than the game itself, and that's what they have going on. That's what I do. Literally, they'll throw a lob with 0.9 seconds to go. I've never seen it in my life and I'm like man that was cool I better run to the bathroom real quick

I got to get back here for the post game that's right you know it's appointment viewing where the game sometimes is not so much so without further ado can we call him our friend yes yes we can I mean we he legit liked us yeah and he's he's no longer

on the video so he can't correct us he's our friend our friend Charles Barkley reminder stick around for the bad of the week after Chuck What do you drink at Chuck Pediolite? What's going on, dude? Come on, man. Just some water and some flavoring.

I hate to taste of water, so I have to put those little, like the sunny drops. Guy hates the taste of water. This is unbelievable. Chuck, it's National Hydration Day, dude. I never drink water. I don't drink water, so they're trying to give me to drink water, but I can't drink it just fucking pure. I had to put him shit in it. You know what my dad does?

I think he has the same problem. He pours a little apple juice in the top. Oh, see, I can't do the apple juice thing. Apple juice don't do it for me. All right, good. So we're here with Charles Barkley, man that needs no introduction. And obviously, we're both big fans of Chuck.

Chuck, we met in the hallway at the Eagles facility the first time, I think it was, with Howard Askin. Yes. Yes, that's my boy. That's my road dog, asking. Big shout out to us. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah, I remember me, you that first time.

and then I remember hanging out you at the final four when y'all stole my national championship about that we were yeah if you want to talk double dribble we can talk intentional foul before the double dribble no no no see no no no you can't replay files you can replay double you see it's to replay on double dribbles and you know I will admit that that was a foul

unfortunately that was a file but you did get away with a double dribble so you owe me but you know what making was talking before he came on and He was like, Chuck was so classy about it. Well, you know, we leave U.S. Bank after we won the national championship, and it's 1.30, and apparently Minneapolis shuts down. They just don't have fucking bars there. And then you say, oh, well, Sir Charles is holding court at the Hyatt.

Let's head there. And I thought, okay, that's a normal sentence I anticipated hearing in my life. And we get there. And to your credit, you attempt to say Wahoo-Hu-W. It's closer to maybe Wahoo-Hu-W. But I was like, holy smokes. he's two days off of one of the hardest losses of his fandom, most likely. And he's being gracious and celebrating us.

And we're all hanging out and having a few shots. And we had a great time, Chuck. It was awesome. Well, listen, part of being in sports, you have to be a gracious loser. Yeah. You mean, because the person you lost to, they're probably one of the few people in the world who know exactly what you did to be successful. Right.

So, I mean, it sucks. but listen, man, first of all, I never expected Auburn to get to the final four. Let's take that out of the picture. You know,

we're a football school. And it was amazing for us to get to the final four. But that would, I will say this, that was the worst I've ever felt after a loss,

including my own life. I'm not lying. I mean, because like, I can say, Auburn getting to the final four was the coolest thing for me, but losing the way

that game was lost, That was probably the most painful loss I've ever had. I'm not going to lie. It shows you how fans sometimes act like they care more than the players. Because in one way, they kind of do because they can, you know, like they're attached, but they're not invested the way we were as players. So it's a different kind of disappointment. It's like a we're just going to, it's, yeah, it's a freak out.

It sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I always tell fans, listen, no player tries to screw up. No player wants to lose. I met this lady at a bar. I was going to one of the Alabama National Championship games. It was here in Atlanta.

And they were playing Georgia. And we're in the bar drinking. And this lady who's from Alabama says to me, I said, what do you think tonight? She said, well, I think Georgia's going to win. And I said, why do you think that? She said, I think they wanted more. I said, are you fucking serious?

Are you fucking serious? She's like, well, we won before. and these guys, I said, ma'am, let me tell you something. Please, see, that's why I always tell fans, man, shut the hell up and just cheer for your team. Nobody wants to win more than the players. It drives me nuts. Like, well, this team wants it more. I'm like, please stop saying.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Well, you know, it's funny. I do think she was probably speaking for herself and didn't know it. I mean, like, fans get fat and happy. Like, I got fat and happy after we won the national championship. Like, we lost Ohio this year, and I was like, oh? That fucking sucks, but... Yeah, but you got to understand some...

I actually thought, first of all, I think your coach is fantastic. Yes. But I think what people don't understand, in a one-game scenario, any fucking thing can happen. Yeah. It's not like the NBA was you got to beat a team four times. Yeah. And listen, anything can happen on one given day.

And also, sometimes there's such a quick turnaround. Like, when you win on Thursday, you play a... You did all your homework for a team you playing Thursday. And then you get some type of upset on Thursday. And then you're playing a totally different team. You thought we were going to play on Saturday. Same thing on Friday, Sunday. So I always tell people, I think winning March Madness,

winning March Madness might be the hardest thing. Because in hockey, you can have a great goalie. In baseball, you can have one or two pitches. Like when we had Kurt Schillen and Randon Johnson, them are the only two pitches we had and we won the World Series. Right. But in March Madness, to have such a quick turnaround and win a one-game scenario, I think it's probably the hardest trophy to win in sports.

You know, like even in football, you play the first two home games in the playoffs if you got the best record. You only really got to win the Super Bowl on a neutral field. But to win March Madness, I think it's just in my opinion. I think it's probably the most difficult one to win. I couldn't argue with it because, as the favorite, it's a minefield, you know? For the favorite, I would agree,

it's probably the hardest to win. And I wonder if you watch the Hawks and to us, like, listen, I'm a Knicks fan. I was like, okay, not the worst draw in the world first round in the five four. Then you're like, okay, now I'm rooting for the Sixers because my Philly ties, well they kicked our asses kind of,

we blew that series. Are they making a Cinderella kind of run? Have you ever seen a team? Because they don't feel like a five seed to me, the public perception of the Hawks. They feel lesser than that, but they're making a run like one of those teams that we're talking about in college basketball, it feels like.

Well, last night was probably the most I've been impressed with them. Because to go into Milwaukee and win, and they were down like eight, I think, with four minutes ago and then to come back. That was impressive. The next thing was not a surprise because the Knicks win all their games on effort. They really don't have a bunch of good players.

They just win their games on hard work. The Knicks won it more, Chuck. Yeah, yeah, they want, like, that's a perfect example, a hard work, I'll get you so far in life. And then at some point you've got to have some skills. Just in the door. Yeah, just in the door. When I was having drinks with the Knicks executive,

they're like, this is a series, skill against will. I said, well, skills going to fucking win because you get skills, that's what they were saying. Listen, the Knicks work hard. They're well prepared. They're very well coached. But at some point, you've got to play basketball. Right.

And then against the sixers, my sixers and your sixers, man, this thing with Ben Simmons, man, this is crazy and perplexing. Like, I'm not sure what the sixes are going to do, to be honest with you. And I hear all these fools on television talking about, well, we got to trade Ben Simmons. We got to trade Ben Simmons. And I'm like, who in the right mind going to want Ben Simmons after what they just saw in the last week and a half? He's afraid to shoot. He can't shoot free throws.

He makes $35 million a year. What general manager in their right mind is going to be saying, hey, I got to get that guy? So I personally, just my personal pain, I think the sick is going to have to sit with Vince and Ben. We're going to get you in the gym, make you shoot a thousand shots a day, every day for the next three or four months while we're out. I mean, because like I say, I don't see any team saying a guy making $35 million who can't make free throws, who can't shoot. the ball, let's, we got to go out and get this guy. So I think it's going to be interesting. But to win last night in game one in Milwaukee, that was impressive by the Hawks. The Ben Simmons thing, and you said it earlier, nobody screws up on purpose. This guy's in his

head, it feels like as an athlete watching, I just feel like I know that feeling and I've had it before, but not for very long where you're just totally in this mind fuck zone. And I feel like he's just stuck there. And I wonder if you've ever seen a good player go through something like this in the NBA that you can remember. And you're playing time when you're like, oh, that guy just plateaued because they paid him because they thought he was going to keep doing this. Yeah, you know, I've never seen anything like it.

But my first reaction, and Chris, you know, is like, because you don't want to see other jocks struggle. Like, I just feel sadness. Yeah. Like, because when you play sports, you're naked. Like, there's nowhere to hide. everybody's watching millions and millions of people

there's there's you know there's 20,000 in the stadium but there's millions of people around the world watching like this guy's afraid to shoot and then when you see and go to the free throw line you can look at his eyes and be like oh fuck there's no other place I'd

rather there's a hundred places I'd rather be the right here and and so my first reaction is sadness but then you're like you man you got to work on your craft we're paying you they gave him $177 million to play basketball. You have an obligation to be the best you can be.

And I think the way I know Philadelphia, and I've been on every radio and show in Philadelphia the last few days, I think what disturbs Philly the most is he's afraid. Like, at least with Janus, he's, like, he's being aggressive. He's going to the basket. He know he's going to get filed. And when he go to the free throw out, he might not make him, but he's like, I'm going to keep taking him.

Ben refuses to take him. I think that's what surprises and make Philly fans mad more than anything. Yeah, it's like at least Janus's one move is the freight train move. You know, like, and you're like, all right, this motherfucker wants to go to the rack. You know, Ben's playing like a skill guy.

Like, he's not, there were times where I used to watch LeBron facilitate. Well, you knew he could create. So you wouldn't get frustrated with him facilitating. Like Ben's like, that move under the basket in Atlanta was like, that's just unnecessary facilitation, man. And it's like, what are we doing? So, well, he was, he was like, oh, they're going to file me.

I got to get rid of this. I got to get rid of this damn ball. They're going to file me. Yeah. Then the rest of the time, they stick him over in the corner and he just stands there. And I'm like, wait, this guy's a three-time All-Star that you pay at max money to and you can't count on him. This is not going to end. It's going to end badly.

The scary thing that y'all said that hit me on inside the NBA was like, you literally can't hide that guy anymore, which leads to the conclusion that you, have come to, which is like, I don't know who's going to trade for that as making would call it very distressed asset. The asset is distressed. I mean, it's just like, you know, distress is an understatement. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I say, I feel sadness for the kid. Yeah. But listen, and if you're on the other team, you've got to file him to make him, even though it's a hacker shack situation, you still got to file him and make him make those

free throws. And it's a distress investment. And like I say, he's making $35 million a year, but at least for the next four years. So what do you do? Yeah. Like I say, I'm not, I'm not, if you, first of all, if you're a general manager and you make that trade, you make that trade, and it doesn't work, you deserve to get fired. Right. Yeah, if you said, you knew the guy couldn't shoot coming in, but if you give him 100, I think I say, got $144 million left on his contract. If you make that trade and you're like, well, we can fix him, but you don't fix him and you give up a lot of valuable assets, you screwed and you should lose your job. Yeah, you already put your nuts on the table. It's like, yeah. So it's going to be, it's going to be very

interesting what happened in Philly the next few months. Yep. So how about the Hawks? Can they win the whole thing? Is that possible? It feels like a light bulb went off for you last nine. You're like, I kind of believe. I do not believe. I'm still on the bucks. I'm still on the bucks. I think I think the bucks are going to win the world's championship. Last night was, first of all, they had a terrible defensive plan. I have no idea what they were doing with Tray Young. You know, so I hope they make an adjustment. I don't have a lot of faith in their coaching staff.

But man, last night was one of the worst defensive plans because he had 30 at halftime and they still made zero adjustments. Like one of the reason I always talk about March Madness when I love watching March Madness because that's when you find out. who can really coach. That's why you have some of those Cinderella stories. What a coaches just come up with a magnificent game plan. If that don't work, he changes it.

I think a lot of college coaches can't coach your leg, to be honest with you. They make zero adjustments. Like, sometimes I always talk. They're running the same play five times in a row. And I'm like, well, they're going to change their defense on the third chance or choice, right? And they run the same play five times and they never make adjustments. So last night, the Hawks ran the same play 77 times. times in a row and the bucks made zero adjustment. Trey got what he wanted every time and it was crazy.

And I was like, are you kidding me? Would you please make an adjustment? And they didn't make any adjustment at all. It was crazy. What's the adjustment that you would make? Because I saw you guys talking about the fact that like Brooke was on him and then people were lagging and waiting for him to get into the lane. And he hit a floater.

Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah. Because first of all, you got to go small. for some reason. Brooke Lopez had seven points and two rebounds. If he's going to be seven foot out there and don't get me more than seven points and two rebounds,

why the hell is he in the game? Right. Because he's playing bad defense. You can't lag that low because what you do is it kind of, I use a football analogy. My football friend, football is my favorite sport. I love football.

I had one great day out there. Then I realized y'all were fucking nuts. And I quit after one day. It was bad coaching, Chris. He put me on the defensive line. I was like, yo, man, I'm not doing this every day.

But when you guys are prepping for a game, my NFL friends, they tell me, hey, we're going to take away the pass or the run. Right. We can't take away both. We're going to take away one of them. What clearly last night, Trey got the pass or the run. That's the best way for me to use that analogy. They gave him the three. They gave him the floater.

You can't give him both. And that's the thing that was driving me crazy. I'm like, yo man, are you going to make an adjustment? You got to take away one or the other. And it drove me crazy. I'm like, yeah, man, please make an adjustment. So take either the floater away or the three away. They gave them both last night, and that's not going to work.

The sons, man, you got to be excited because, I mean, people love you in Phoenix back the Purple Palace days, man. It was pretty live in the early 90s in Phoenix. Was it a great basketball town? It was crazy basketball town because what people don't understand is we didn't have hockey. We didn't have baseball. It was just the sun and the Cardinals really weren't there either. They had just got there.

So it was a one horse town. And the sons, man, it was crazy. I mean, it was the most incredible thing I've ever experienced. One of the reasons I lived there. And it was amazing. But now I'm so happy to see them doing good again. That place is electric. Devin Booker is a full-blown star.

He's been unbelievable. And also, you know, they get mad at me on the show because I've been saying for like the last 10 years, Chris Paul is the best leader in the NBA. He is the best leader in the NBA. Everywhere he go, he wins. And this year, think about this. From last year, they went from last place to first place

because they added one guy. And I'm so happy for my city. I'm happy for Chris. I'm happy for Devin. And it's just been great for my city. And it's nice for Chris, Paul, that they get out to that lead. and now it feels like, hey, he could see, you know, that elusive NBA championship,

which I think most basketball fans would tell you, really excited to see Chris Paul deep in the playoffs. This could be the year. Well, listen, you know, you talk about feel-good stories. If Chris Paul would have won the world championship, I can't think of a better story. I can't, well, listen, in fairness, you look at if Tray Young for some reason was to win the championship or Greek Freit, who's the greatest kid you ever going to see? Or Chris, it would be an incredible story.

Yeah. But Chris, you know, who's paid his dues, has never done anything wrong, been a great leader, been a great player. So whoever wins the championship, it's going to be a great story. I don't know about the clippers because, listen, you know, they're starting to piss me off, to be honest with you. Because this thing with Kawhi Leonard, they act like regarded nuclear secrets.

I'm like, can you just please tell us as Kauai Island to hurt? Is he coming back or he's not going to play? They act like we're like, they got the nuclear code and we got to keep it hidden. Like it's Foxboro. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like, come on, man. Is he going to play or not? There are these favorite team here, Chuck, out of the four remaining.

And I don't like those stupid uniforms they have with the stupid Grand Theft Auto font. I don't, their team is not compelling to me. I love the fact that one team is going to get their first title. I'm not like, hey, we need this, the big market. It's we need the best teams. Like I like the craziness of it. So I'm good. I hate to,

you know, I'm happy. I agree with you totally. I hate the super team because I think it ruins all the small markets. You know, I tell people, I'm never going to Cleveland again once LeBron left there. You know,

my favorite city is Toronto. I'm never going to Toronto again because of why I left there. James going to Houston. I'm never going to go to Houston again when he leaves. I mean, I'm trying to think OKC when. Kevin and Russ left. I'm never going there. It ruins all the small market team. Yeah. That's what drives me crazy. Like if we had a time machine and we could put the sons from

the early 90s back in, that team that made a run against this team, I know basketball has changed and matchups have changed, but what would be one matchup that you'd be like really excited to see in that fantasy world? Dan Marley against Devin Booker. Dan Marley is the toughest hip. You know, him, Derek Smith will play with me in Philly, Marley, Mark West. Those are probably the three toughest guys I played with. And Marley against Devin Booker would be must-see television. I think I'd hold my own. The sons really don't have a power forward.

So I'd have my way. But, man, Devin Booker against Dan Marley, I would love to see that. That would be must-see television. Because Devin is a stud, and Dan Marley's a stud. And Marley's a defensive stud. That would be much CTP. Oh, I don't want to leave out. Chris Paul against Kevin Johnson.

That would be nice, too. But yeah, yeah, I think both guard matchups would be worth the price of admission. Oh, for sure. I got one more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The late great Paul Westfall, battling wits with Monty Williams. Paul, rest in peace. I got to speak of this funeral a couple months ago.

man, he's one of my favorite people in the world. Terrific coach, terrific human being. Westy, to me, was underrated as a coach. Because the one thing he did, he listened to his players. You know, a lot of coaches fail because they're like, what's got to be my way or the highway? We're like, well, coach, I'm actually playing against this guy and that guy. I'm watching and playing against him.

I know what he's good at, what he's bad at. Let me help you. And money, I want to say, say something about money. Number one, he's doing a fantastic job. But he said something last week. He says, I made a mistake with Chris Paul when I coached him the first time that it had to be my way of the highway and we always butted heads. He said, I'm a much better coach this time around because I listened to Chris a lot more. He says, I wish I had a did it the first time. But because I was a young coach. I wanted to be act like I was the boss and I did everything my own way and it didn't work out.

So man, when he said that, that reminded me of Paul Westfall. Paul's like, so Chuck or Marley or KJ, what are you guys think in this situation? So that I think and it took money, a lot of courage and a lot of balls to admit that. Yeah. Because a lot of coaches be my way or the highway. Like coach, Just listen to me. Like, I know what this guy's, I know what he's made of. So that would be a good matchup. But the guard matchup, all four of those guys are terrific players. I would pay to see that matchup, though.

Since we're on the coach topic, Chuck, breaking news. Rick Carlisle to the Indiana Pacers. Wow. You know, that just came on my screen, to be honest with you. That's what I just wiped up. Yeah. Because I got, yeah. So, you know, Rick is a terrific.

coach. That patient team is interesting. They got some nice pieces. Karas Levert. I'm a big fan. Sabonis to me is probably the most underrated player in the NBA. You got Malcolm Brogden down there. They're going to get T.J. Ward back next year. But Rick's a good coach, and that's a good hire. You end up in Philly to start your career. It's the last draft before the lotto. Like they changed over the lottery the next year, I think. it wasn't a lot of my year so maybe you're correct so you went fifth to the sixers right so you're kind of in that zone where you might know you almost go somewhere else you know some people like you maybe if things fall differently or on a different team to start your career

were you close to being anywhere else well i knew i was going to go four or five or six um i think dallas had four they took sam perkins philly took me at five and six uh the wizards took Melvin Turpin. So I knew I was going to go four, five, or six. I had no idea where I was going to go. But it was the greatest thing for me, guys, because, you know, I played about 300 pounds in college. Yeah.

And I was in college for three years. And I led to SEC a rebound in every year. So I felt like, you know, I had my shit together, but I didn't. So I go to the Sixers and I'm not getting to play. And right away, I'm struggling. And Moses, who I called dad, rest in peace, was the greatest influence in my basketball career. I said, Moses, can I come?

He stayed in the penthouse. I stayed way down on the bottom. Let's get that out of the way. And I said, Moses, can I come see you later? And he said, yeah, young fellow, you can come see me. I said, Moses, why am I not getting to play? He says, young fellow, you're fat and you're lazy. I'm like, what?

He says, you're fat and you lazy. And he said, Charles, you're fat. and you can't work hard. You can't play basketball in the NBA at 290, 300, $2.95, 300 pounds. So this guy who was already one of all-time grades says, I'll meet you every morning. I'll meet you every night.

And he made me lose, he said, let's lose 10 pounds. So I get to 290. I'm starting to field belt. I get to 280, 270. And now I'm starting to get to play. I get to 260. And I get to 250. And this guy helped me lose 50 pounds.

and turn me into an all-star and a Hall of Famer. And Chris, you've been around, guys. You've seen guys eat their way out of the league before because they didn't have a discipline to lose the weight and get in shape. And I've seen that 10-15 times in the NBA. It drafted by the Sixers was the greatest thing for me

because Moses was great to me and make me lose all that weight. Dr. J. talked to me about saving my money. You know, because, you know, the last thing you want to be is one of these damn idiots who on TV now boxing getting knocked out and doing stupid shit because they don't waste all their money. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Dr. Jay, he taught me, he said, son.

But Dr. Jay, I had like, I had like seven cars. Dr. Jay says, son, how many of those cars you can you drive at the same time? I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I said, what do you mean? He's like, well, why do you have seven or eight cars? I was like, I like, I like him. He says, son, you know this money got the last year to. rest of your life.

Yeah. And I said, okay. He says, we're coming over today. And I'm like, okay. So all the guys came over and they took all my cars back and said, hey, save your damn money, rook. You can have, they said, pick one car. We're taking the rest of them back to the dealerships.

You can get your damn money back because you don't, you son, you don't need seven cars. That's money wasted. He says, it's not the fact that you can't afford the cars. Yeah. That was his message. He says, it's not the fact that you can't afford seven cars. It's the fact those six of these cars could be in your bank account and stocks and things like that and grow.

And then five, 10, 15, 20 years, it'll be worth a lot of money. It's worth zero money sitting in your damn part at your house. So getting drafted by the six is Moses getting me in shape. Doc talked to me about saving my money. They taught me how to dress, you know, because, you know, rookies, you know, we always wearing warm-up suits everywhere because we don't have really have a bunch of clothes. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

We used to get on rookies about going on the mall and their issue gear. Like, bro. Yeah. Like, we know you're on an NFL team. Dude, you're huge. Oh, that was it. Like, you know, you're young and done.

We couldn't wait to get to the mall in our six or shit. Like, you know, man. Say, hey, hey, hey, we know you on the team. You don't go to the mall. You're tall as fuck, man. Like, yeah, everybody, yeah. You don't even wear helmets in your sport. You don't even wear your issue gear.

It's a, it's the same in every sport. It's hilarious. Yeah. Like, no, man. Doc's like, no. I remember the first time they took me shopping, Chris. Yeah. They took me to a place in Philly called Boards.

Voids. I love voids. I still shop in Boards. Yeah. So they take me shopping. They buy me about 12 suits. They buy me about 10 to 15 sports coats. I get to build as like $35,000.

I was like, I haven't even made a dime yet. And it was $35,000. Now, I'd never forget that. It was a guy named Ralph Jaffe, who was always taking care of me. And I spent like $35,000. And I remember calling my agent and I said, yo man, I put a credit card thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. He said, well, how much is? I said, 35, he said, what did you buy?

I said, they made me buy a bunch of suits and sports coach and blazers and everything. They told me I dressed like a bomb because I wear warm-up suits everywhere. They said, this is professional basketball. You have to dress like a professional. And we still laugh about that story to this day. I remember calling my mom and grandmother like, I spent $35,000 day. My grandmother and grandmother had never made more than $20,000 in their whole life. They're like, are you crazy?

Hell yeah. Like they made me do it, Mom. I had no choice. Hopefully that was after losing the 50 pounds and not before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to make a return and get new suits. That's the hardest part about retiring in the NFL is luckily I'm a podcaster, so I don't need suits in this studio. So by the way, we call this Studio J as well, Chuck.

I like it. But yeah, I wait. Listen, that's a good thing. Hey, listen, I left a lot of material on the floor, too. I'm not going to lie. So now you need the suits every night. So. Yeah, and now I need the suits every day.

But now you get every day. Now I got a lot of money. I can afford to go out and just get a bunch of suits. But that time, when I wrote that, when I put my credit card down, my man said $35,000. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, dude.

Hey, how about that first club night when we do like a rookie dinner, your rookie year in the NFL, my rookie dinner ticket was 21 grand. I didn't even know you could spend that at a fucking Fleming's. Fleming's isn't Morton's. It's not Ruth Chris Park City. Like, Fleming's is a tear down. No offense to the Fleming's,

but I don't know we could spend 21. And the problem is everybody starts buying the Louis bottles. You get to, like, hey, first of all, you drink damn ripple. Why are you getting opas and damn cable? I know you got no class. I know you got no class. Yeah, you got no class. And all of a sudden, you got several camas.

Yeah, dude. Man, dude, you drink ripple and thunderbird. But because I'm paying, you're getting a good shit. And everybody, you know, they're so formal too. Like, yes, I'll take an appetizer. I'll take a steak. I'll take our oven roasted potatoes. And then they want some creamy burleigh for dessert.

Like, they get the whole kid and cabooder when you're fucking paying for it. I'll try the four. like what the fuck dude like a year ago we were all drinking mad dog 2020 and eating ramen in a dorm room and now like all the sudden I got to buy opus for a bunch of these motherfuckers

that are four years moved from college oh my god I'm sitting there they're like yeah I'll take uh I take some silver oak yeah silver oak yeah what's that some good stuff I'll take a bottle of Camas well we got to wash it down with some champagne you got into Chris you got in a crystal you know

Chuck, I'm not a wine drinker. The only, like, when I'm at somewhere good, and I feel like I'm on the spot to look like I'm rich and have taste. I am rich, but I don't have, like, a good taste. So what I'll do is I'll just pull one of those bottles of wine that I used to have to buy for the vets. That's the only thing I remember. Opus, Camus, and fucking silver oak.

That's the three. That's the three. I got a friend who's big in Napa. His name is Don Kawalski. It's one of my best friends for, like, 30-some of years. He says, Camus, several opus, any one of those three, you're good. You're very good.

These people who like wine are going to like one of those three. Can you all sip a little bit on inside the NBA? No, because it's too long of a night. Because we're on from like seven to eight to two in the morning. Yeah, two cups is going to turn to three cups. Yeah, yeah. Because people always ask me, like, do you have a drink on the show? I said, dude, we're there for fucking six hours.

First of all, you're already tired after about four hours anyway. Right. And if you start drinking, you're going to be slurring. The Shaq always mumbling anyway. So maybe he should drink. It'd be harder to figure it out. Can you imagine if he started drinking and he mumbling and drinking? But listen, I would love to sit there and drink all night because I love to drink.

but you can't drink for six hours because you go on TV at 1 o'clock in it from 1 to 2 and like if already asked you a question or you're trying to stay some shit and you've been if you're hammered it ain't going to come out good especially nowadays I mean these fuckers out here now are sitting around waiting for you to say something wrong nowadays

well that's the next thing you say you're going to be done by 60 you're 58 now we need more than two more years of Charles Barkley does it have something to do with what you've coined cancel culture No, no, no, not really. I had already made, no, fuck cancel culture. Oh, fuck all them fuckers out there who, like, you can't even, if you can't take a joke, fuck you. Yeah, but Chuck, nobody's getting canceled because, like, literally, I think you're bulletproof.

Like, I, so your case in point, there's no such real thing as cancel culture, in my opinion. I mean, there's a, there's an outrage, but it's hard to cancel somebody, but you know what I mean? Yeah, but listen, I think that most people, I see, see, this one thing I hate when I'm talking to the executive, they're like, well, they said context doesn't matter. I'm like, yes, fucking context does fucking matter. Context does. But they say no, because some asshole out here wants to complain about something.

They can go fuck themselves. I don't give a shit. But no, for me, to be honest with you, I had already made in my mind, 60 is a good round number because I think you have to be realistic. Like, when is the age where you're going to start shitting and pissing on yourself? So the last thing I want to do is. 58 for me, I guess. Hey, the last thing I want to do is work to the day, work till I get old, and then I want to start having fun.

And I'm like, oh, shit, I'm too old to have fun now. So I, like, wait, I worked till I'm 70, but now I'm just shitting and pissing on myself every day. What good is that to happen? So I think, okay, you work to your 60. I think I have a little juice left in the tank where I can travel the world. I can still play golf and fish all the time. But like I say, I don't want to work till I'm like 80, 65, 70, 80, and then like, okay, let me enjoy my life. I mean, because I think you have to have a comment since like, dude, you're going to fucking die someday.

Leave some room at the end of the runway to have some fun. When did the knees become a problem? I mean, the knees are already a problem, but take us behind the scenes with Kenny's knees and the heroic effort it takes sometimes for him to get on set and do his job. First of all, every time I see Ken and run, I'm like, wait, you played in the NBA? Like with those legs, I mean, first of all, he's the best dude ever, but I'm looking at his legs every time he tries to run. I'm like, how did this dude ever put on an NBA universe? How can you run up and down an NBA court with your knees that bad?

They must have felt better back then. I mean, they had to, right? I mean, he's definitely. Well, they had to feel better. But I guess they, like, it's like all of our bodies, the older you get the worst your shit hurt. Yep. Good, like, but he's, it's hilarious watching him run.

I always tell a man, it's just a matter of time. If you put a match between your knees, you can strike it, and it light up at a heartbeat. I mean, it's funny. You guys are great. You just, it's a locker room. Like, you guys are a locker room, dude. And that's what I think people love it is because the thing I miss about a locker

room is we gave each other shit, like all the time. And there was no sensitivity. There's nobody I can do that with outside other than my co-host here. Yeah, but let me tell you some, even with your co-host, that's the only, man, there ain't nothing like the locker room. You know,

being on the bus, being on the train, being on the plane, everything is fair game, nobody is sensitive. Ain't nothing like it. Ain't nothing you can really do in your life to replicate it once you retire.

But like, especially, like, it's nothing like it. I tell people, I can't even explain it. Unless you actually play, you can't even explain it to a regular person,

like how much fun it is to be around the guys. Like when I played in Philly, we'd be on the train going to New York or D.C. Or on the bus going to New York or D.C. And like, we just give each other shit for two hours. And when you go east or west and it's like a five-hour trip and half the guys are playing cards, half the guys are playing chess or checkers,

and you're just giving each other shit. and it's the greatest thing ever. And some of those guys, like I talk to those guys at least once a week, like I'm a Horn or Mike Jeminski, a Jason Williams, or Elliot Perry, a Dan Marley, you know, just talking to those guys just like, and every time you see them, it's like a fucking family reunion. Yeah. It's like a family reunion.

You know, I've had girls say to me sometimes, I think you would rather hang out with. the guys and hang out with me. I'm like, is that a trick fucking question? Is that a trick fucking question? Of course I'd rather hang out with the guys. I said, that's no, and that's no slight to you.

I said, women, women can't really figure out like being in a locker room. I says, hey, hey, hey, hey, calm down. That's not a slight. There's nothing like being in the locker room with the guys. And I'm sure WMBA players would tell dudes

the same things. Like, I want to be with my girls. Like, I want to be with the people that I hang out with. Like, I'm used to nobody giving a shit in that setting. So I guess the question is, when you eventually ride off from the sunset, hopefully in 10 years, I hope you change your mind, but like, let's say you change your, you don't change your mind.

Who's somebody that you think would do really well replacing you or joining that crew? I love Draymond when he came on. I thought he was so good, dude. I don't know who else is kind of on the radar? You know what's really weird about that, Chris? We bring in people all the time.

You know, we got two networks. NBA TV is right beside us. But what's really interesting about your question is they always ask us about it. And we bring in a bunch of people because NBA TV is on seven days a week. Right. But what's really interesting is how certain guys who you think are going to be great on TV, just suck on TV. It's kind of funny and sad.

Like, guys I really like, we'll bring them in. and they're getting in front of the camera and they'll be like this. Yeah. You know, man, you have to fucking talk. You're on TV. Or they'll answer like, what do you think of that play?

Well, it was a good play. Like, what, motherfucker? You have to put sentences together. We don't do one word answer. And you can't be too stiff. But I'm telling you, some guys who are really good guys who got great personalities,

we bring them in and they are the biggest stiffs in the world. It drives us crazy. And they're like, oh, this guy's going to be great on television. And they get on TV and they're 100% stiffs. And Draymond, he's fun to bring on. But like I'm talking about guys who are retired guys. We bring on because like I said, we have to feel several days a week on NBA TV.

And they're on like 12 to 15 hours a day. Right. We bring guys on all the time, Chris, and they suck. Yeah. And we're like, you know, man, why did you feel? freeze up. Oh, you know, man, this is not my thing, man. I'm like, you know, man, you talk all the fucking time. All you got to do is be yourself. This is a, we're not, we're not making going with the fucking win here. We're talking about basketball. Has a player ever confronted you

about analysis about that player? Because I know you guys go hard on players. Oh, 100%. I've had, I've had calls from players, coaches. Agents call me the most. And I said, wait a minute. Tell me what was unfair about what I said. And they never said it was unfair. They just hated that you said it. Because, man, first of all, I don't ever want to say anything bad about a player, but I'm not going to give up my credibility with somebody plays like shit or do something stupid.

And I get on TV and act like it didn't happen. Like, dude, that's my job. Yeah. But I said, wait, you just saw your guy play bad. And I said it. I get an example. The late great Kobe Bryant, remember the game he wouldn't take a shot.

Yeah, faintly, but there's not a lot of those. Yeah, but so one game, in the second half against the Phoenix signs, he didn't take but one shot. He was trying to prove a point he didn't have any help. So we had the game, and I said, hey, listen, I always respect Copeland, but I did not like what he did tonight. He went a whole half and just was trying to prove a point of that. I didn't have any help.

He only took one shot, and that was not cool. So COVID starts texting me, motherfucking me. And we go back and forth for like three hours, Chris. And it's like between, it's like between one o'clock and four o'clock in the morning. I'm like, yo man, pick up the fucking phone and call me. But he's like, fuck you, fuck you, motherfucker, blah. I mean, and we go back and forth for like three hours in the middle of the night.

And we laughed about it later because he was pissed because I called him out. We had that game. And, you know, and he was trying to prove a point. He was wrong for what he did, but he was trying to prove a part. But he, he's texting me back and forth, calling me every freaking name in the book. It was hilarious. Just a 4 a.m. like cuss out session between Chuck and co. Yeah.

Motherfucker, you don't know what I was doing. Bob, blah. Fuck you, Bob. I'm like, yo, man, I know what you were doing. I sit down. We broadcast the game. You took one shot in the second half. You were trying to prove a point.

Fuck you. Fuck you, motherfucker. I was not. Oh, my God. We're going back and forth. But like I said, we made up and laughed about it later. But like I said, I get calls from players and coaches and agents all the time. But I'm going to do my job.

I mean, my job is to the fans. And have you ever had to apologize in your heart? You were like, yeah, that was over the top. And I will say, I'm sorry. Great question. I don't think so. And not to the women of San Antonio either. Yeah, not to them big old women in San Antonio.

Hey, guess what, Chuck? We have a stat for you here. You ready for this? We might leave you on this. I got one more question after this guy. I know you got to go play golf. But San Antonio, fourth most obese city in the NBA. Can you guess the three ahead of San Antonio?

I think one of the cities is going to be in Texas. So I'm going to say Dallas. Reed, did it make the cut? Did Dallas make the cut? Dallas did not make the cut. What about Houston? Houston did not make the cut. Wow, I'm trying to think.

Yeah, you're going to be shocked by one. You get one more guess, and then I'm going to give them to you. I'm going to say Atlanta. No, it's Detroit, Memphis, barbecue. Wow. Okay, I'd be obese in Memphis. And then what was the third read? Cleveland.

Cleveland. And you believe that. That's from the CDC, man. Well, you know, the bad thing about it, those teams got, Memphis got a good team. But so I'm never going to go to those cities again, because they got Memphis got a good team, but those other two, they got bad basketball team. My life is dictated where I travel by how good your basketball team is.

Yeah. So, you know, I'm probably not going to Detroit anytime soon. Okay. Or Cleveland. That's bad news for possibly the first pick in the NBA draft here coming up. Maybe Cade Cunningham. Hey, you know what? I was watching that the other night.

And we were actually joking about it in the studio last night. Can you imagine Cade Cunningham, you've been waiting your whole life to go to the NBA. and you're going to be the number one pick and you're sitting there watching that shit intently like, oh come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on this city, come on this city, come on this city, and then like, oh, fuck, it's Detroit. You think in the back of Ben Wallace's mind,

he's sitting there like, man, I'm sorry, kid. Yeah, that's exactly what he was thinking. Like, oh, shit, I got to go. Last question, because this was folklore to me, and Frank Berkowski said to say hello, he said he was with you on many a crazy night, but he said he wasn't with you when you threw the guy through the glass window,

but when I was a kid, I just remember, you said you weren't a role model, but you were a superhero to me. And I just always imagined this really cool scene of you throwing this bad guy through a glass window. But I always imagined it underhand. Did you throw him overhand, or did you throw that guy underhand through the playing glass window?

Underhand. Hey, you know, Frank is, Frank and Larry Kostoriak. Larry. Two of the greatest dudes I've ever been around. I talked to Frank the other day, actually. He's the best. And, you know, so I'm sitting at this bar. And the owner says Charles and Clyde,

and we had like another three or four people with us. He said, won't you guys wait until everybody gets out of here because it's going to be hectic? We're down in Orlando on that Church Street station area. He said, y'all just hang around. I kick everybody out. Then y'all can just walk out. So all of a sudden,

first of all, first of I said, that's a great idea. So all of a sudden, I had my back there. And all of a sudden, I get wet. And I'm like, what the fuck just happened here? And Clyde says, that got through a drink on you. And I get up and I chase this motherfucker through the bar. And by the time I get him, Chris, I'm, I catch it right by the front door. And I'm shaking this motherfucker.

Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Blah, blah, blah. And the cop is right there. He said, Charles, I saw the whole thing, let it go. And I said, yo, man, I can't fucking let it go. I can't let it go. So I threw that motherfucker out the window. And I'm like, he says, Charles, I got to arrest you now.

I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I couldn't let that shit go. So he just put the handcuffs on me, took me on down. It was the most, like, music. mutually respected arrest of all time. It was like, you know what? Like, I know where I'm going when I do this, but I just got to do it.

I would just, such a Terminator scene. Like Arnold throws somebody through a glass window and just like the boot, the sound of the boots walking up and just standing over him, the cracking a glass. That's the way I saw in my head.

Yeah, and then people like, well, Charles Barker throws a little guy through a window. And I says, what do he think he was going to fucking grow by the time the drink hit me? When he, he was fucking little when he threw the drink.

He should have realized I was a big dude but fucking beforehand. And he should have realized back in the day, he couldn't fucking outrun me. He could outrun me today, but back then he couldn't. That's the what, hey, that's the what? So if you meet Charles Barkley, who we can attest is the coolest guy in the world when you meet him,

he's exactly who you think he is. Everybody's got their dues and don't. Don't throw a fucking glass of ice on him. Is there anything else people should know about meeting Charles Barkley? Hey, man, I'm always be nice. I'm always be cool. Listen, I tell people, man, Hey, I'm just a, I'm, I drove up a stupid basketball.

I don't think I'm the greatest thing in the world. I was blessed to have a great life because of that stupid little ball. And I'm going to treat you good. I'm just lucky, man. I appreciate it. Chuck's the man, dude. Hey, Charles, hope you come back sometime and we love watching you. So please push that to like 65 or 70.

Just think about it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, brother. Hey, any time you need me, let me know. Okay, man. Talk to you soon. All right. You have fairways and greens.

Here I come. There we go. Go hit them straight, buddy. Before we go to bad, let me just say that was really good. Creamy burleigh, man. That was your favorite part of the interview, wasn't it? Yeah, I mean, I think we could have asked him what he had for breakfast, and it would have been entertaining. He's just that guy.

We got to have him on again. We got to have him on again. Let's finish with some bad here. I'll start. Okay. Paul George, you know, that whole scene at the end of the game the other night. Just, here's what makes it worse. Like he has just been through so much in L.A. as a clipper.

And I don't even happen to have to like Paul George. I don't even know if he's a good guy, bad guy. You know, he is crossed into that. I don't feel good for that guy like echelon. Ben Simmons is the president of like, you know, the NBA sympathy club right now from my standpoint. You know, maybe the vice president is pandemic P. Playoff P.

Playoff P. Pandemic P. It goes back and forth week to week. The thing I hate it, about it is he's a good basketball player. Like he really is. It just hasn't worked out in L.A. so much. And in big moments at times,

he's caught a lot of heat. Not to mention the last two minutes of that game the other night took 33 minutes. So it was an eternity. The game was on Sillisobcumensis, Reed. The fuck.

Did I say that right? Reed's crunchy ass. He knows exactly what that is. Reed, you crunchy ass. Oh, crunchy ass, ass, Reed. The last two minutes of the game took two hours. So playoff P gets up there with a chance to ice it. They're up one, right? And playoff P, he's still playoff P at this point.

He's playing a great game. I think he scored like 16 in the fourth quarter. You know, he's showing up. He swole up the other day without Kauai. Like the tide is turning on a guy who really took it on the chin last year when we were all locked up in our houses and throwing tomatoes at this cat online. And then he's finally pulling himself out. He's got a chance to not ice the game,

but put it in a tough spot for the suns to come down and hit a really big shot with, I think, eight seconds to go or whatever it was. Anyways, he misses the first. And it's loud in the purple palace, as we call it. I don't think you can call it that anymore, but it's loud there. And now he's starting to morph into Panemic P.

He takes the second shot. not only does he miss it, I think he was running up to foul the guy who got a rebound. Did you notice that? I did. Why? You know more basketball than me. Is there a strategy there that I'm missing?

I think we take for granted, and maybe you can speak to this as a former man in the arena, how difficult it is to stay aware of time, score, yes. Situational awareness, I think, is very underrated in any sport. It totally is, and we see examples of it all the time, and it's happened to me plenty of times.

If the goat can forget in Tom Brady what down it is, you know, it could have happened to college, Chris Weber, you know, the timeout. I don't know, maybe somebody who knows more than me could tell me what he was doing, but it looked to me like he was running up and thinking about fouling that cap, which means when you're not able to focus on,

like, what's going on in the game, there's a lot going on in your mind. And I think there was a lot going on in your mind. And I think there was a lot going to be. going on in that cat's mind. He missed two fritos and then obviously the game ends. When you fuck something up in a football game and the result of your mistake ends in like a big play on the road, it's one of the most deafening, disorienting things that you could ever experience. And I can remember like, you know, extending a drive on third down and then the next play is

the touchdown. Or jumping off sides and Aaron Rogers, you know, completes a bomb to Jordy Nelson and everybody's going nuts or, you know, hell, missing a sack. I can remember one of my last games in my career, I've got fucking two against Deshawn Watson. I beat a tight end, I loop around, Fletch,

and I miss a wide open sack on Deshawn Watson's not the first one I've ever missed. It's not the last one, well, it was the last one, unfortunately, but you know, here I am with a chance for a hat trick, miss him, Michael Bennett misses him, we're laying on the ground, like, what the fuck's 's happening?

and when you're on the ground, you're just judging the crowd. This is the home game at the link, and Deshawn, you know, throws us off like two backpacks, completes a bomb 50 yards down the field. And so I'm laying on the ground and I hear it get quiet.

I can only imagine how small Paul George felt when Aiton caught that lob with 0.9 seconds to go. I mean, it was pandemonium in there and you know that the only way that play is possible. Now, there were things that transpired between the free throws and that. But the only way that's possible is because of your mistake.

So yeah, that's bad. And I'm starting to feel bad for Paul George. This is the biggest example of like, don't go chasing waterfalls, dude. Like, things were good in Indiana. Just make sure you got Kauai with you if you're going in search of waterfalls. Yeah.

He's got zoobots out there and Pat Bev and Terrence Mann is the new star. I mean, he needs this guy. So now we've gone from hating Paul George to now maybe feeling bad for him and saying he needs more help. But he also needs to hit his free throws, which sucks. So, I mean, yeah, they've been down before and that series could certainly, especially if you figure out what the hell is wrong with Kauai, to your point,

that series could turn. It sure could. The game's already been decided by the time you're hearing this, but the clips are a one-point dog tonight against the Suns. We have a Chris Long effect post-recording update. Paul George went off for 27 points, 15 rebounds and eight assists, and the Clippers win in game three against the Suns last night. Chris says, tusha to playoff peak.

That is all. You got any bad? Besides you're not wearing a mask? Yeah, I have the most hilarious to me bad that there is. Jay Williams, who was at the aforementioned Hyatt. So we're an ugly now. We're not ugly. This is my bad ugly.

This is just, this is fugly. This is fugly. Yeah. Jay tweets that, um, with the news that Udoca is the new head coach in Boston, he sees, he tweets the first head coach of color for the Celtics. Dot, dot, dot, dot, pound, dot, dot, dot, ampersand. And even more importantly, he is one talented individual who has paid his dues. Now, the thing about Eme, Yudoka is that he is not the first, uh, coach of color.

for the Celtics. There was off the top of my head, and I'm not going through a list here, Doc Rivers, Bill Russell? Yeah, the Bill Russell ones tough, and Doc was right in our lifetime. But okay, so you screw up.

Yeah. That's when you say my bad. That sure is funny. Whoops. And instead, Jay Williams tweets, quote, as it relates to the Boston Celtics tweet that came from my account

a couple of hours ago, dot, dot, dot, dot, space. I did not post that. that ampersand and my pass code has now been changed. So the hacker did yeoman's work in... To just fuck up a detail

about coaching hire. It's spectacularly, but... And doing so in the exact same writing style that Jay employs with the... You think it could be a hacker? Because this is like some... I mean, think about it. Zero percent. What could I believe less than this being a hacker? Zero percent chance.

Like a really good hacker. Maybe a... Maybe it is a hacker. I don't know. I mean, obviously it's not a hacker, but I'm just fucking playing devil's advocate. Cat goes word, ellipsis, space, next word, and uses ampersands.

Never seen anything like it. Never seen anything like it. Which I think, to your point, brings him back into the conversation of a biggest Duke player ever. And I love, every time I've been around Jay, he's so cool. He was very cool. in Minneapolis. But, you know, people make decisions on social media that are just, they're just dumb sometimes.

And I felt like this was a dumb decision, man. Like, you can be wrong. But you feel the heat on you because the KD thing, like last month. So he was kind of on strike three probably in his mind and was like, fuck, dude. I mean, you can't use the hacker thing there. You can use a hacker on a dick pick. You can use a hacker on like some just terrible word. He's being careful maybe.

I did not post that. So maybe someone next to him posted. I think maybe his alibi is that I wasn't hacked. It was his guy. But I have a guy that writes tweets for me and I gave him carte blanche to tweet about that that might be if I'm thinking a couple of steps ahead. And I'm a good crisis manager, Jay. So if you need me, just hit me up, dude, for a price. For a price.

I'll give you a brilliant excuse. like that one. And by the way, JJ Reddick on last pod said it was Wojo and Chris Collins for most Duke ever. Wojo couldn't agree more. I think Jay is in that conversation. Yeah.

A little Shane Batier for me. Shane Battye is up there. In our childhoods. And I just think Kyle Singler's up there too for me. You know who the most Duke guy of all time is? Tyler Hansborough. And that's the most fucked up thing about it. Is he didn't go there.

But boy, could I. I see him as a legend in Durham. Am I off there? No, you're not far off. I just feel like he's a Duke guy more than he's even a UNC guy. He's, uh, yeah. Well, he's white. All right.

There we go. Cogazoid. Yeah, so that's rather ugly what happened to Jay. I got a, uh, what happened to Jay. It was an unfortunate thing that happened to Jay. Condolence is there. Ugly for me, these uniforms, these, these All-Star Game uniforms. They are trippy ugly.

Like, it's your 91st baseball all-star game. We've watched every single one for years, okay? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we love it. It's an appointment viewing thing for us and, you know, the pitches and the hitting and the guys that they have, fielding. They haven't, how could you forget the fielding? Because

most times you hit it, there's somebody fielding it, and the cool thing is the guys out there fielding, they haven't fielded together before. That's right. So it's the best of the best. They're wearing different uniforms. Like it looks like when you line up

all the Wheaties box little mini helmets next to each other, they're all in the same field at the same time. It's very cool. It's very cool. We watch a lot of All-Star games. This All-Star game is gonna be hideous. These jerseys, you wait 90 years to get rid of like the tried and true. Like, hey, we don't actually have All-Star jerseys.

Everybody just wears their normal get-ups. Which looks cool. Which looks cool. It's different. It's unique. You have 90 years to get this right and you roll out a fucking Henley. Well. They roll out a Henley, dude.

It's worse. They call it a Shurzy. Okay? I just want to say something that I don't understand what's going on with the trimming, the floral trimming. I thought it was a camo thing from a ways away and I was like, okay, they love the troops in Colorado. I get it.

I think that's the best part. Is the game in Hawaii? Is it like the Colorado State flower? Is there something like that? or am I dumping on a detail in the uniform that was born out of some memorializing of somebody incredibly popular in Colorado and I'm going to regret it because I feel like that's how it always goes like hey fuck those flowers on that uniform oh well a guy died I feel like that's the only way that they're going to get me to

to renege on this being a you know a dumpster fire of a uniform and I just want to say this one thing the logo on the back of the hat is fire it is absolutely fire. It is a star and the bottom of the star is a mountain range. And in the middle of the star is, you know, MLB All-Star Game or whatever. They should have gone 90s,

NBA, you know, Desert All-Star game, put that big logo on the front of a standard button down. Yeah. Standard button down. We don't need to Henley this thing. Just mountain from like, hip to shoulder. Maybe they're finding out that people are buying more Henleys.

I think the logo is actually very dope, but you put it on the tiniest place. What we have on these Henleys is like C-O-R or like A-T-L. That's the unique part about everybody's get up is we get the abbreviation for the cities and they call it good. I mean, like I don't know what's going on here. In vertical with the logo on top of the second letter. It looks hideous. It looks like they made a Frankenstein of different uniforms. Is it, though, is it so bad that it's good that it might actually be good? We need to order some.

There you go. Yeah, you're right. I would have never bought just somebody's jersey. Where's my TOR for my boys who are 30-some? Were they 17 and 16? 37 and 30-some. Hey, I'm close. Yeah, you're close.

We're 37 and 35. That means we've won four in a row. That's a true fan. I hope that nobody died in the making of these uniforms because if the floral pattern is something that memorializes somebody, I take this whole thing back. But otherwise, this thing is bad. So that should be, that's pretty much everything.

Reed, you got anything? I do have something. Crunchy ass. Oh, crunchy ass. Oh, crunchy ass. Big silociub cubenzis over there. I ain't never heard of that. I've never heard of that either.

So hat to appear to Matthew Perpetua. Yeah. Just always Matthew. Just forever. Perpetually Matthew. It's not changing. Can't call him Matt. He tweeted out the schedule list of shows at Madison Square Garden in 1987.

He proposed the question. If you could see two of these shows, which would you choose? The shows are. Oh, boy. Oh, I'll read them fast. Watch out fast. I can read them. Poison, Iron Maiden, Eric Clapton, Hewley, Lewis,

in the News, Jose Feliciani, Luther Vandross, Brian Adams, the Hooters, Duran Duran, Erasure. Erasure, there's that word again. Paul Simon, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Madonna, Bon Jovi, Billy Idol, the Cure, Beastie, White Snake, Tina Turner, Wang Chung, Roger Waters, David Bowie, Whitney, Houston, the Grateful Dead, the Post.

YouTube Pink Floyd, Eddie Murphy, the Cars, rush, yes, Depechemo. Here's what we should do. I think I know the two you would pick It's so easy Oh really? I think I know Okay

Now you're changing because I No I haven't written down Or I could be I could be saying it's so easy To throw you off the scent I think that you would pick The Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd Yeah it's easy

Oh I'm actually proud of myself Because I don't know music I could have spent Oh my God Pink Floyd played The 5th through the 7th Grateful Dead played They played two shows there

Yeah that would have been pretty freaking cool That cleanup crew after three nights Just contact high I mean I think there was a lot of reefer In many of these They're going home Looking for the Doritos I don't think so

I don't think Bud was that good in the 80s In my opinion Okay who would I Just my opinion Who would I take to go see You killer I had it down to Here were my four

I have Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers there Do you want me to respond after each one? Yeah, you're correct. Okay. Okay, so the next one is going to be I don't think you're a big David Bowie fan like that so I'm going to pass on David Bowie. I, in my final four was Whitney Houston

I thought that'd be quirky of you to just want to go watch like a a singer, uh, for a few hours. Paul Simon was up there for me, but I'll go Clapton. Okay. Tom Petty and Paul Simon. Okay. I got it. Well, I'm sort of my top four. That's good. That's good. We're, we're fucking, we're tracking pretty good on each other. Just friends, man. Just friends, friends, friends. Do you weren't going to see, uh, Brian Adams and the Hooters? You're, you're Joey and I'm Chandler. Don't, yeah.

Nobody picked some of my Saves and run DMC? No, dude. No, no, that's too much energy for me. It's too much energy for me. If I want energy, if I want to have an energetic night, well, Pink Floyd's going to be an energetic night.

My third, I mean, probably Roger Waters. I probably go see Roger Waters. White Snake. I got to say, there's not a lot there that I'm just, I know it's a cool thing on the internet, probably to be like, oh, it's so hard to decide. That's why this is such a tough tweet. Pete, it's pretty easy for me.

I can give respect to Macon because the 1987 tour for Paul Simon would be his Graceland tour. Of course it would. Yeah. Which is one of the best albums of all time. No doubt. That factored in, Reed. Thank you. I'm going to admit something.

I'm not a huge Paul Simon guy, but not out of like, you know, mounds of effort. It's just never stuck. So I'll try. I'll try a little harder. Gross land. Just play it through. Okay. I'll play it through.

Paul Simon, Graceland. Hey, we're going to let you guys play through. How long do you think this is on the tape measure? About 16 inches. 15 inches. Yeah. And if I'm being honest with you, 15 and a quarter inches. So really well done.

Thank you. I appreciate you. You want to try one more? Sure. Sure. Close the show. Oh, this is so easy. Hold on.

His tape measure is tall as fuck right now. He's barely able to hold it in place. He's got his elbow blocked. Almost, it looks like it goes backwards. All right. Come on. Okay. Hold on a second.

I have been told before that my elbows. It's kind of crazy. All right, all right. So when you're at a game or you're like, go team and you just keep them at a right angle. When your team scores a touchdown, you just go right angle. Look at that picture of him celebrating on the court

and see if his elbows are just like inverted. That is what people say. Inverted. Why are your elbows inverted? All right. This is a tough. but if I can get this one. I mean, I'm going to say

it's four foot one. Jesus. It's four foot two. Oh my God, I'm good at this. 50 inches. Best distance judgeer. Look, they're even at a right angle. They're at a right angle.

Go look at making gunner on Google image search. You've got a pretty solid Google image search. The nice thing about getting famous later in life is you don't have shitty pictures of you from the most awkward years of your life. You know what I mean? Like all your pictures are very good. curated. I wouldn't, you said the word famous. I don't know that I'm famous. You're pretty famous.

Yeah. Um, yeah. It's all pictures of me. Hey, best you, best houses. Best judge of distance in the podcast game here. It is. I challenge. I challenge anybody. Horizontal and vertical. You can do it both. I know my way around a tape measure. Look at that. Do a lot of work around the house. I'm rolling these all used to be on YouTube these podcasts. Yeah. People are asking them for the, for them to come back. two hours long. Yeah, I've been on some panels. That's right,

Cowboy. If you want to Google search, image search making, he's on there. That's right. It's a nice blue suit. That little Roy Williams collection for you. Y'all take care.