Green Light with Chris Long - Daniel Jeremiah! 2025 NFL Draft, Shedeur Sanders & Ashton Jeanty Landing Spots! Cam Jurgens, AJ Brown & Blue Origins Space Flight!

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Daniel Jeremiah joins Chris from the 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin and sets the record straight on all info coming out of this years draft. DJ talks about Shedeur Sanders' potential, Cam Ward to Tennessee and Ashton Jeanty's landing spots. Chris and DJ also gives out there favorite edge rushers, Will Campbell's NFL comps and what team Abdul Carter could suit up for? (00:00) - Intro (3:45) - Cam Jurgens' Contract Extension (7:45) - AJ Brown's Car Stolen (14:45) - Daniel Jeremiah Talks 2025 NFL Draft, Shedeur Sanders' Potential & Ashton Jeanty to the Raiders? (49:30) - Blue Origins Space Flight (57:04) - Billy Strings in Charlottesville (59:03) - Chris' Genius Mattress Idea Make sure to check out Kenny Mayne at the People's Improv Theater in New York City on April 24th! Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out the website for everything merch wise and enjoy for 25% off your entire order in celebration of the 2025 NFL Draft! sitewide! Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's YouTube Channel, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've kind of used the analogy of you got to go shop at the hardware store before you go to the toy store. That's right. Just go get the meat potato stuff and then drop that piece in. And I also think the running backs have a six or seven year sweet spot. So I want to have a team that's ready that like his first carry for us, like we're good. Like he, I'm going to use all of his six or seven years and all all those carries are going to matter. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM. If you haven't signed up for Bet, Bet,

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Thanks for jumping in today because we're talking the NFL draft. We've got Daniel Jeremiah and him and Chris run through the 2025 NFL draft held in Green Bay, Wisconsin. They talk landing spots for Shador Sanders. Ashton Genty is he heading to the Las Vegas Raiders? Why it's a deep wide receiver class this draft? How to evaluate tackles like Will Campbell? What are Arch Manning's chances of being selected next year? A great conversation will answer all of your draft questions.

and then Chris and Nate have a good bit of fun. We talk Cam J. J. Grown getting his car stolen. And then ending the show reacting to the Blue Origins trip to space last week and Chris's idea for his new mattress. Another great one for all you folks out there. Enjoy the episode and we'll catch you later this week. Today we got Daniel Jeremiah. You know who that is, Nate?

Sure. Welcome back to the show. You'd know if you saw him. he's only one of the foremost draft experts in the entire world. He's going to be doing the draft with the NFL network. That's my guy. You know him. That's Nate's guy.

Hell yeah. Yeah, DJ is brilliant. He is one of the easiest, classiest guests you'll ever book. I mean, he's just a great person. He's in the People Hall of Fame. And if there were a Hall of Fame for draft experts, he's first ballot. Fantastic. Fantastic.

So anyways, we've got him on. We got him for about 35 minutes. We're going to talk some draft. Obviously, like, the narratives are that this draft is a little bit more of a solid starter draft. Like that I can't wait to talk to him about that. Kind of calibrate who he thinks are the guys that actually have really high ceilings in this draft. There's obviously a couple, you know, teams in the top 10 that we have no idea what they're going to do. And it's probably not the same. quarterback draft it was last year. In fact, we can probably say that with certainty. So I want to hear him talk about the quarterbacks and the edge players a little bit. So we're going to have him in a couple minutes. But as far as football is concerned, going into it, we've got some Eagles news today. Cam Jurgens, Cam Juergens, who I thought did a great job this year. You know, he slid in the Pro Bowl, and now he got paid. He got paid to the tune of four years, $68 million. That's about 17 million a year, right on on pace with Creed Humphrey, just slots right below him. If you look back, like, it is cool to see it, Nolan, you kind of put it like come in full circle

where Kelsey and Stout are sitting there and they're like, hey, this is a guy who could replace me. And I also never thought about this, like maybe best seat is Jason Kelsey, because you're going to add to the long list of his accomplishments in Philadelphia that he has thrown his hat in the ring as a the draft evaluator and it's worked out because this guy not only you got 11 really solid starts out of him at guard last year when you needed it two years ago and then this year he made the switch to center he's filling huge shoes right um as big as shoes as somebody uh playing center could fill right jason kelsey not only a great player late in his career uh but also just an icon in philly so you can imagine being him and you know there's a lot of pressure there, you know, and that can make things harder. One thing that maybe made things a little bit

easier was like that all of a sudden he doesn't have to call the protections. Like they kind of switched things up a little bit. It seemed like Jason was calling all the protections, you know, right up until the time he retired. And it was probably a necessary process that they had to go through. He wasn't going to play forever. Jalen Hurts is going to be your franchise quarterback. You want to get him more involved in calling the protections and being the true quarterback on the field in every sense of the word. You know, it was a band-aid. They had to rip off, and everybody was afraid.

They said, what do the offensive line look like without him? That offensive line played really well this year. And Juergens was a big part of it. And we also love Cam Jurgens. The guy ran into him in New Orleans, walking around the hotel, and he's wearing our green light Super Bowl hat. So we love Cam Jurgens.

If you want to check out, you know, probably right after the Super Bowl, he did an interview with Bo Allen. It was right before the parade. He was gearing up to hop on the bus. us with the fellas. That's right. And Bo's going to be reading some draft picks in Green Bay this this week. So we've got to talk about that a little bit. You know this? Yeah, I seen that. That's lit. You know what? Bo is doing something. I don't know if it's because we haven't had them on in a while. You know, like if you have a significant other and you don't pay attention to that

significant other, they all of a sudden start to take care of themselves. And you're like, what's going on? Right? She got a blow out. She's like, she's got her nails done. Or, like, what's going on? He went to broadcast boot camp on us. Now he's going to the draft to read. in all these garage beer commercials. Should I have a private investigator follow him home? Like, what the fuck are you doing, Bo? What's up, dude?

You want to get on the show? Just ask. For fuck's sake. You know, Peter B. Paris scared you off here. Bo, Bo about to, what you call? Bo about to get rid of us. He's going to get rid of it. That's what I'm saying. He's like, dang. He's on the oven up and up.

Well, you better, you better lock him in, contract man. Who's the contract man? Get him in now. But we don't we don't pay players like a year out like like you just got to wait till this is your time at the table. But this is it like is this is like what, um, um, um, you're, he's acting like Jaylin Ramsey. Your rookie option. Your rookie option. Are you going to be like the Jets? We made him the highest paid white D tackle in, in media. And, and, and, and he's back at the table again. He's like, I'm going to broadcast boot camp. I'm reading picks. at the draft.

You know, everybody wants a piece of my ass. Well, he's on the Kelsey show. Yeah. We might just tell him test that mark. I'm just joking. We won't get Bo back on the show here. And I cannot wait until he comes back from Green Bay so he can give us the full report.

So anyways, Eagles News, Eagles, News, Eagles, News. I'm sorry for anybody who doesn't like the Eagles. There's just a few Eagles items going into this Daniel Jeremiah interview that we're worth talking about. one of them being a j brown got his car stolen did you see this i did see it he is rapidly becoming and i already really liked him but i was just like one of my favorite players because of his personality yeah the book thing is is is incredible like i the book thing is incredible like the book thing is incredible like the posting like amazing and you know like i'm super jealous i'd love to

read but there's no way i my wife i pulled out a book like on a trip to arizona for spring break she's like you're not reading that and she was fucking right i read like three chapters and it's just sitting there in my house now a j brown doesn't have three kids uh that i know of or you know a podcast that they have to run you know it's a really busy lifestyle but like i can't finish a book and when i see his posts about books i get jealous a little bit jealous but i admire him um and then the way he handled this stolen car thing was incredible he was like listen man he got 24 hours. He told a car thief, you got 24 hours.

He also told a car thief, bring it back and I won't press charge. That's what I'm saying. Bring it back and we'll just take care of this. And if I was a car thief, not only would I believe him, but it would be incumbent upon me to bring the car back. But here's my thing.

If I was a car thief, why the fuck what I care about who I'm stealing a car from? Well, I got a story. If I'm there, if I'm going, if I'm doing a job, I don't care whose car it is.

If I'm doing a job. Like, for real. Let me ask you this. For people that are a little bit well-versed in the situation, timeout. Wait, what type of car was it? I don't know what type of car it was. You guys can figure that. I can find out from Dom.

I'm sure Dom was instrumental in getting the car back, which is also one of the reasons when if you're a player, you can confidently be like, hey, you got 24 hours. Motherfucker. Because you got Dom. Like, you know what I mean? Like, AJ Brown's a bad boy for sure. But at the same time,

you're like i got big dom you're like you mother fucker you start getting real like real demandy you know and if you're on another team like maybe you don't want to do that but like you just won the super bowl you're one of the best players on one of the most important teams in in uh city history and you get your car stolen a couple months after the super bowl i think it's incumbent upon the thief to bring the car back i do and i'll tell you a story that supports that so my dad i don't know if you text me back yet Let's see. Oh, I remember this story. Oh, yeah, okay.

So back in the day... He's on the car. Yeah. So back in the day, he... He came back to... So he grew up in Charlestown, Mass, which is, like, rough area back then. When I went to... When I played in New England, and I drove down to Charlestown one day...

The town. I was like, man, what a beautiful place. And I texted my dad. I was like, you baby. Like, this place is... Like, this place is beautiful. Like, you said it was a tough place. like no it wasn't all the while knowing it was a shit show right um so he he he's making like

fifty thousand dollars a year or something uh playing for the raiders buys a car um i forget what kind of car it was it was like maybe a sweet kind of car he he had a 78 coupe de ville i think it was or it was a sob turbo yeah it was a sob turbo i don't know why he had a sob turbo i think he bought it from my mom so he brought the sob turbo back to charlestown during the the off season, parked it outside. Within like 24 hours, it's gone. Like, the car's gone. It's clearly stolen. Like, he's like, fuck, man, that's my wife's car. Like, I come back home, get my car stolen. I guess he didn't make any demands. He didn't A.J. Brown, because there was no, like, A.J. Brown platform for him. But, like, through the grapevine in the neighborhood, like, it came out that

it was Howie Long's car. And this is the text that got down. I just got for my dad. I went down to the park and talked to Johnny McNeil, told him what happened. He said he'd look into it. Doorbell rang hours later. And in a grocery bag was every single thing in the car with a note that said,

the next time you're in town without a state plate, still please let us know. So the car wasn't stolen, but they put it on blocks and took everything out of it. They stripped the car down, the whole thing. And within 24 hours, everything was back, neatly put on the porch and said, like, welcome home. so so like it does happen you know like people return stolen items stolen cars um it's different time right yeah

but like you know what the craziest thing that happened during this that car thief this got the ultimate promotion from a j brown because a j say he's seen him on the security cam and he said he was fast you was in and out in three minutes yeah he says three minutes so for anyone who wants a car thief now that kid or that's going to be that's going to be that's going to be a he can put that on his dating profile site in jail because i think he's going to jail i rob i rob a j bruce once once you know five seven 200 pounds uh you know like long walks in the yard and um because there's these inmate dating sites now that show up on my algorithm on instagram but but and then the last thing is like once called speedy by a j brown like

hook line and sinker dude that he's gonna be bragging about stealing a j brown's car in jail when he really just should have returned the motherfucker you're not gonna get caught if he'd return it you think a jay would have done him solid i'd he wouldn't have given him money or something it's not like hey i found your wallet no he would have just said it appreciate it appreciate it get the fuck out yeah exactly depends on depends on who it was because realistically this could be a 13-year-old kid now like it'd be kids but they found out who it wasn't he was like you're going to get what was coming to you now i don't think you would be talking like that if it was a 13 year old kid he said uh i think he would have been like man this is unfortunate or when i find you today it's going to be

what it's going to be though uh that's cold i know it sounds cool shit but this is the portion of the of the monologue where i'm like this is where you know doms yeah yeah yeah like it's going to be what it's going to be, which could sound like I'm going to bust in your house and, like, you know, hang you upside down by the bottom of your khakis and find my keys. Yeah, yeah. But, like, it's probably not going to be that. What it's going to be is Dom's going to find you. Yeah, yeah.

Dom's going to be like Liam Neeson. Well, people were sharing the Tony Suprano meme where he's driving around. He's like, do, do, do, do you do. I'm looking for the car. No, Dom probably didn't even have to drive around. Nope. Dom just picked up the phone. People want the draft.

and I have been denying them the satisfaction, not because I don't love the draft, but because I have taken the year off when it comes to watching prospects. I'm not that good at anyways. So I figured I'd call somebody who is. He's Daniel Jeremiah. He's everybody's favorite guest around this time of year,

so I appreciate him coming on. He's going to be on NFL Network, all seven rounds of the 2025 draft in Green Bay. Green Bay, as a draft city, Daniel Jeremiah is there now, and he joins Green Light. DJ, what's the first? up dude we're good to see you buddy you've been you've been just given the dekine matumbo to the fans out there

huh they're just asking for the draft and you're not having it how many years of me getting the exact analysis of a defensive end the position that i played wrong is it going to take until i just sit it out because it just doesn't do me any good to have some kvon tibodeo you know take following me around a couple years ago although i was pretty i was pretty good on him what did you say i don't give me your give me your tibode well if i remember correctly I said he has a chance to be a very good player. And that's kind of what he's ended up being, in my opinion. He's ended up being a very good player.

Like I think a lot of people, and maybe it's a good jumping off point, do you ever get frustrated by the way some fans talk about picks that aren't the Julius peppers of the world? Let's stay right here on defensive ends, as if it's a big failure. The guy has hit double digits already in his career on some teams that haven't been great. I know he's not a perfect player, but do you ever get frustrated? Maybe it's the wrong example. when you hear fan bases say,

oh, they just missed on that guy, but it really wasn't a miss. Yeah, I think often people fail to go back and look at the context years later. You're like, oh, why do we take this guy with the 15th pick? He only gets this like eight sacks a year. I'm like, well, nobody else in that draft

is getting eight sacks a year. Like he's literally, that's a good player, man. Like that's what this draft has. Not every draft offers that. So like with this one, with this particular draft, I've been kind of banging the drum of like, you've got to get stars out of your head. Like this is a starter draft, not a star draft.

So just go get like plug and play guys. But I was talking with a mutual friend of ours the other day and we were talking about a player in the draft who, you know, has some medical stuff. And he's like, you know, so the medical term that they'll say is like he's a one contract guy. Right. And so like I'm like, how's it going in the room like with this conversation on this

player? oh, you know, we're just getting pushback because of, you know, a one contract player. I go, you know whose contract I'm interested in? My own. Like, I want to get my second contract. If this guy does a good job for his first contract, guess what? I'm going to go ahead and get myself another contract. Like getting in the third round, fourth round, and a guy gives me four years, you know, dude, I'll take that.

Four year starter, that's a heck of a pick at that point in time. Especially if it's a guy who probably got flagged and has fallen down the board a bit compared to what he could be if there was a knee or an ankle or something like that. So you get a quality player probably at a good value in that scenario. And yeah, so what if it's a four-year rental? Look at it. I look at why. Like, look at Peyton Wilson.

Yeah. Peyton Wilson won them a game against Baltimore last year. He had no business being there at that point in the draft, but it was injuries. He was a first-round caliber player that they got in what, the third round, fourth round. So he's already paid for himself. He already won you a division game. That's right. So, I don't know.

I just think like that's where, you know, I don't know. There's lots of context that gets lost in regards to these guys. But if you get a player on your team in the first round and, you know, you're not looking to replace him within three years. Like, to me, that's nothing to be ashamed about. I think you got to define the parameters, define the value system that teams are going off of. And, you know, a lot of times I think with fans, they look at things on like a 10-year kind of runway. And that's just not, that's really not realistic.

for most prospects. And, you know, if a guy's going to play 10 years on your team, that's a home run. I mean, that's a home run. No matter what position or where you got them, I mean, 10, 11 year players on a single franchise, it just doesn't happen a lot. So I guess my question to you would be, since you say solid starter draft, let's start by defining a parameter here. Can you remember another draft like it?

And, you know, who is an example of a solid starter in the NFL? That's a great question. Well, I just go, as you know, doing the charger game. So, like, I'll give you. Like, to me, like, Tully Tui Poloto from, you know, out of USC with the chargers, like, he is an example to me of like, this is a solid player where it allowed you with Joey Bosa, you know, with his number that you kind of move on there. You know I've got this guy.

He's going to be a solid, steady player. Now, I don't know if he's going to be a Pro Bowl player, but that's like a solid starter. So that's like the first name that just kind of like pops right into my mind of like, okay, that's what type of player. You know, that's what that looks like. That's what that is. And sometimes with guys like, Cam Juergens, who just got a contract

would have been an example to me of like, this guy's made of the right stuff. He's going to be a really, really good player. I don't know what the time if he's going to develop into a great player. And guess what happens? A lot of times those guys who are doubles, you end up getting them in there.

You're like, oh, my gosh, this guy's actually going to be even better than what that is. So we did it in Baltimore all the time. Like, we were always picking towards the bottom of the first round. And it's like Todd Heap. Todd Heap's supposed to be like a double. Todd Heap ends up being like a multi-year Pro Bowl player. You know, when they took Ed Reed, it was like,

Ed Reed would be really, he might be the best safety of all time. Like, so sometimes these starter guys turn into stars. And I think also the solid guys can turn into, you know, borderline stars, depending on how you call a star. Like Cam Jergens made a Pro Bowl this year. Yep. I wouldn't call him a star if he's not on the Eagles. And that's no disrespect to him as a center.

It's a good player. Yeah. But a good player. And oftentimes you talk about like picking in Baltimore at the bottom of the draft. the Eagles are in a groove now where the chances of you hitting on said player are higher because they're going to be surrounded by better players and better coaching and better situations. So it kind of is kind of one of those things where it gets even better for that team picking

at the bottom of the draft. Did you ever play on teams? And obviously you were as always notoriously great leader. But were you in different environments where you thought, hey, this team, and it could even be the same team, but at this point in time we could take on this type of player versus other years. I noticed when I went from Baltimore to Cleveland, like in Baltimore, we had like,

you had Ed and Ray. Like if you brought in a player who was really talented, but maybe wasn't a great worker, like, I wouldn't even worried about it because like those guys are just going to pull it out of that guy. Like he, you know, they'll get him going. No question. There are teams that are more ready to lead.

They have leaders. They have, you know, locker rooms that police themselves, certainly. And a lot of times that goes hand in hand with winning. Right? So a lot of these winning organizations, they can afford to do that because they have the leaders in place. But they also have a level of success where you can hide your mistakes a little bit better. You know, like the Eagles this year paid Bryce Huff.

Now it's not a draft pick. Yeah. A billion dollars. And he didn't produce. And, you know, it happens in the NFL. It's a hard thing. I mean, it's hard enough drafting. You'd think free agency would be a little bit easier.

But Howie Roseman, as good as he is, that was a miss. But look what they did. They course corrected. They got them out of the lineup and they said, hey, we've got enough youth and we have enough quality players on our team that we don't have to try to ride this thing out for two, three years. And I think that factors in as well for sure. But I think it's an interesting conversation when you talk about solid Pro Bowl star.

I think there's different levels to this whole thing. I've heard it's commonly said that in the first round, there's like 16 to 17 first rounders, right? And then the second round kind of starts in the middle of the first. That might be a little bit inside baseball for people at home. But my question to you would be this year considering how you've quantified the amount of stars in this draft or first rounders. Where does the second begin in this draft? So to me, like I can just go off of grades.

So in the past, like the way that I do it and how I grew up in it, like to me like six, seven is kind of those elite players like above a six, seven grade. right, just to give you the number. Last year, we had like, I think I had 16 of those players in last year's draft. This year I have seven. Yeah. So there's really not, like, if I, I'm going to just pull up my list right now and I'll give you like my, my, my, let's say, like, my 14th player is Matthew Golden from Texas, the receiver. Okay. In this draft, Quinnshon Judkins is my 38th player.

I saw that. And they're almost identically graded. Right. So like it's just a long, it's a big middle class. Like it's not just, oh, there's start, like there's a lot of starters in this draft. The star list is short, but the starter list is pretty long. And there's really no difference. Like you're going to see, I don't know how everybody has their, you know,

who people consume or what lists they go off of. But I can tell just in talking to teams, like, I've talked to teams that are picking in the early, you know, teams and they're like, this guy is in our mix. And I've talked to teams, other teams are like, yeah, we take that guy like bottom. too, you know, like that's how that's how wide ranges are. So it seems like it's a little bit of an unpredictable draft when you have this kind of draft. Okay, so I've heard Jacksonville and New York are pretty unpredictable in this draft.

Like they're tight-lipped, new regimes, not talking about things. Who's the biggest wild card in the top 10, for instance? Yeah, I mean, I think there's intrigue at three just because we don't know, you know, for sure. that's, I think we know Hunter, it feels like at this point in time, Hunter is going to go two. So the intrigue starts at three. Do they take a quarterback? I think they'll take Abdul Carter and then try and come back for a quarterback later on. But there is some intrigue there.

Jacksonville, I mean, the quotes, I don't think if I had it in front of me. I pulled it up earlier. Oh, here it is. You ready? This is from the GM. I think it's pretty simple from my perspective. We'll prioritize people and players that are intangibly rich. and by doing so they will elevate our ecosystem, our team, by being nothing more than themselves.

It's as simple as that. It's an all-time quote. It's an all-time quote. It's literally that's a piece of cake, man. Just go out there and find that guy. So I just read the mock draft up. So I just read that and I was like, okay, what does that mean? Yeah.

So then I was like, well, if that's, if that truly is, if that is exactly 100% to your core, what you believe, then just take Ashton Gentie with the fifth pick. Right. Right. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that say, hey, don't draft. And I don't know. Do you think the running back thing is the narrative that, you know, it was, hey, we don't pay running backs and we don't draft running backs. And, you know, Zeke Elliott was kind of the poster child for not paying backs. I'm sure you could have a handful of, you know, early draft picks that didn't pan out of running back. But then you have, you know, your Jemir Gibbs is of the world. You have the signings last year that elevated a lot of teams like, Josh Jacobs, obviously, Sequin Barclays. You also have guys like Bijan Robinson, who I think are as good as advertised, but have not made their team better. So where do you land in 2025 on this thing?

And if it's the Raiders who are mocked as picking Ashton Genty, how do you feel about making an investment in a running back on a team that isn't there yet? I always think of it as a luxury. It's the last piece you add. Make a case maybe for why the Raiders might take him at six. Yeah, I've kind of used the analogy of. you got to go shop at the hardware store before you go to the toy store. That's right.

Just go get the meat and potato stuff and then drop that piece in. And I also think the running backs have a six or seven year sweet spot. So I want to have a team that's ready that like his first carry for us, like we're good. Like he, I'm going to use all of his six or seven years and all, all those carriers are going to matter. Versus what we saw with Sequan, like Sequan's, his talent got disguised like in New York because that team wasn't ready for that. So I think it's kind of knowing where you are in that process. This year, I think it's unique in that, like a couple teams.

The Bears for a team is picking in the top 10 with all the investment they've made in the offensive line, you can make a case. They're ready. They're ready to take a back like that and have him, you know, get off and get going. The Raiders, you know, I've seen them a couple times a year doing the charger games. Like they have Powers Johnson from Oregon who they took as a young player, is a good offensive line. Colt Miller's a solid, you know, I'd say top

what, top 10 left tackle. You know, 10 to 15. 10 to 15 in there. So they're functional. Their glaze, the kid that they took is from right tackles a young kid. Played last year. Solid. Like I think I think I could talk myself intuitive like, hey, look, let's, if we took Gentie, we circle around, maybe take an interior guy a little bit later. Like, we have a pretty young group that can kind of grow up together.

Maybe they can kind of all grow up with a veteran quarterback and a veteran coach. It just feels like with Pete at Pete at his age and then when you bring in Gino at his age, that tells me they think they're close. They think they're close. They think they're close. So if you think you're close, you could say, oh, he is the finishing. Like he could be the finishing piece here. Well, I mean, I look at it, you know, I've seen the Raiders be very competitive.

A lot of times in division, right? You think about some of those Kansas City games over the past couple of years. years with the gaps closed a little bit. I also think going out going out and getting Gino like I don't know, is it fair to say, hey, like Gino might be set up better this year than last year with the offensive line. I mean, and that's not saying much. They were leaky in Seattle. Yeah. And the run game, the commitment to the run game. If part of like, hey, what he didn't have in Seattle was a commitment to the run game, there is a case to be made that, hey, like, we can fill those holes. One of the holes is already being filled. It's been filled over the last couple years. We'll continue to invest in the

offensive line. And they might say, hey, to your point, Ashton Genty is the missing piece. So that's an interesting one. You know what's kind of interesting is like I was looking at some depth charts the other day. I'm trying to pull it up. But looking at the Raiders. Yeah. And you know, you get the new coaching staff in there and like some new energy, Pete will bring a lot of that with him. But like if they keep their front healthy, that's a freaking, that's a good front, man. It sure is. They just couldn't trot them out there last year.

Wilkins got hurt. Max got hurt. Coons didn't. I don't think Coots played the whole year. And I like Coons. I mean, you just talked about three guys who, you named two of them that Tamir in that star echelon. And one of them is an ascending solid guy.

Yeah. So, I mean, when we think about the window for the Raiders, I know, you know, I always tell people you earn your draft pick. Like, you got to suck to be picking that high. So there's problems. But they're one of those teams. you kind of look at and like, man, if they can get a couple pieces. And with the defense, if they keep those guys healthy, they can keep the score down. You got Gino, protect the ball.

You can run the ball with Ashton Genti. Like you can envision a world in which they're winning a lot of like 17, 14, 21, 17 type games. Yes, absolutely. The games that they were in a lot of times last year, but they weren't winning them. Yeah. Right. And so you think, hey, it's quarterback play, first and foremost is coaching and that sort of thing. So with all lives being on the as they always are. You know, I look at last year and I say, I went back and looked at the list of the quarterbacks taking the first round. And I can remember right when they picked them all,

I was like, there's going to be one or two guys that it's going to be apparent immediately that they made a mistake. Yeah. In fact, in this guy in the first round, and it turned out not to be true. I think it's justifiable in retrospect on each of those teams. They can write down to Bo Nix, obviously. And Panix looks promising. and obviously like Caleb Williams is taking a lot of heat, but I think he's going to be very good.

And the other guys, we know who they are. We think we know who they are. So does that kind of carry over into this year's thought process for the league at large? Because you come into this drafting, like, hey, I don't think there's a lot of great quarterbacks in this draft. But I don't think anybody thought that the first round was six deep in actuality last year. Do you come off a year like that and do you get a sense that people are going to be a little bit more, aggressive and maybe surprise some people drafting a quarterback in the first round. There's people that think that, that I've talked to around the league. I'm a little bit skeptical just because, you know, even last year, like, those top three guys were viewed as they were top three legit dudes.

Like in any draft, like Drake May could have been a first pick in a lot of drafts. You know, Jane Daniels the same. And then obviously with Caleb. So those three guys, you've got them there. And then like, okay, then you get into the next three, J.J. McCarthy, you know, talent-wise, there was a lot. You know, he didn't have a ton of production because the way they played there. Knicks and Pennix both had really strong arms and were good. You know, they were viewed as like, I think Pennix I maybe had in the 20s. You know,

I don't think any of those guys were below like 32 on my list. So I thought they were all first-round caliber players. Whereas this year, like I have Cam Ward at 8. I have Schuert at 20, Jackson Dart at 36. Like, there's just not that glut of guys. that we had last year. So I think it's a little independent, you know. There's there's some things, I think, from one year to the next, you can carry over and say, like, okay, the league kind of figured out something or it's a pivot point. Like, I think last year it was just one of those freaky years where we just happen to have

all these dudes. So with Shadur, you know, he seems to be very polarizing. I think part of it is obviously like we get a lot of Shadur Sanders exposure. Yeah. With Colorado being such a, like just a force in the 24-hour news cycle over the last couple years, rightfully so, a lot of excitement. And he did a great job at Colorado, but some people think he's not a first rounder. And some people think he's a top five pick. So when you look at the way you've graded him, is there a player that he compares to in years past from not only a skill set standpoint,

but also just a net contribution to the drafting team? Yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's not, there's not like that one comp with him that just jumps out. But like stylistically, I think, it's Teddy Bridgewater-ish, you know. And Teddy played for a decade. Like, he played for a long time. You know, he was never an upper-tier player. And I think we'd probably be on the same page that it was highly dependent on who he was with and, you know, for him to be functional.

So, Shadur, like, the unquestionables, like, tough, all day tough. Like, he got the crap kicked out of him. You know, he's a tough kid. Oh, yeah. He's accurate. Like, when he has some time and space, he's accurate 100%. He protects the football. in terms of not putting the ball in harm's way.

So those are all pluses. I like that he's had to jumpstart two different places, you know. So those are all things in his favor. The cons are like more than anything else. Like, dude, Chris, he just got to play faster. Like his clock has got to speed up. The game, you know the difference. Like from the college game to the NFL game, how much of a jump it is.

And the college game at times felt fast. Right. He's taking a lot of sacks that he doesn't need to take. You know, they weren't good up front. They were terrible his first year. they were decent this last year. But there's just way too many times where you're inside the 20, it's third down, and you're taking a 20-yard sack.

And you're like, dude, that can't happen. Like you've got to be able to work a little faster than that. No question. I think it's one of the hardest things probably for fans to see sometimes is, you know, it's the processing speed that holds some guys back. They might have all the tools, make all the throws. But if you're a tick late in the NFL, you know, you're probably going to be sacked or the window's going to close.

And so I think the processing deal is probably the most important innate trait a quarterback has. I put it up there with leadership and that sort of thing. So with the other guy, Cam Ward, you have him at eight. Let's say the Titans just say, hey, he's best available. We got to make this move. It looks like they've started to stack up the offensive line. Second round, who do you like them or what direction, rather, do you like them going in to continue to fortify that team? Yeah, I mean, I just always think if you're going to take a quarterback, I've never understood like a team that would take a quarterback early and then like just go defense for like the next three picks.

I'm like, you realize you're going to get judged by how that kid plays. Like if you give up 50 points a game next year and this guy shows promise, we're golden. Like that's, let's get this guy up and running. So I would definitely look on that side of the ball. Just kind of looking down at them. They're picking 35. I think there's going to be good receivers there. Like there's two kids from Iowa State I really like.

Jaden Higgins would be a fun one to throw in there. It might be a little bit early for the TCU kid and Jack Besh, but I think he's going to be a quarterback's best friend. It's a big target who's tough, get you yards after the catch. So I think there's, you know, the two Iowa State kids, Bash, there's going to be good options there in the second round.

Just get him another playmaker to go with Ridley. I love the Cam Ward playing video games and ranking Calvin Ridley is the best for Steve. Is that amazing? Did you catch the whole thing? I saw a little clip of it. It was fantastic. It went over a bunch of people's heads,

but I was like, hey, he's, he's climbing. He had Pollard is the top running back. I mean, it's just, what a coincidence.

And meanwhile, you got the Philly aggregators like, you know, hey, Cam Ward said that Calvin Ridley's better than A.J. Brown and people are rioting in the streets. Oh, that's so funny.

You know, so it's hilarious. I like Cam Ward. You know, I actually think he's, I think he's got the best shot. I told you, I haven't.

and watched a lot of players in this trap, but it's easy to watch the quarterbacks. You survey the college football landscape. I'm pretty bullish on him, but after that, I'm not real sure, as it doesn't sound like you are, the Saints at 9, are they going to shock us and reach for a quarterback?

Would they hit the reset button this year? I don't, you know, they're so all in with all their vets. They just kept bringing everybody back, kind of pushing money back out into the future, which to me, It doesn't scream like we're going to just, you know, we're going to let these guys die in the vineway. We break in a rookie quarterback.

It just doesn't feel like that. So I could see them getting one, you know, outside of the first round. I'm looking at where they pick their pick 40 and 71, you know. I could see them maybe even coming up a little bit from 40, you know. If we don't, look, there's a chance. I'm not saying it's likely, but there is a scenario where we have one quarterback going the first round. Yeah. If that happens, which would be shocking, but possible.

If that happens, then I think you're going to see those, you know, there's really three or four teams. You could be looking at Pittsburgh in there with them. Pittsburgh would have a tough time. I almost think Pittsburgh's a team that if at 21, if Schuer's there, if he drops, I think they would take him. I could see that. I could see at some point you've got to take a stab at this thing if you're there. And I mean, part of me is like, well, I don't know, they try to pick it in this area and this range and that didn't work out. Is there some PTSD of taking a quarterback?

And I'm like, well, they've got Mason who's now, that's your bridge guy. But like you you got to provide some hope to the to the group here that you've got a future here at this position. You got to kind of flush the last one and just view it as a one-off mistake and just keep taking your swings, man. Because they have a problem of being, you know, competent on a regular basis to the point where they're in purgatory every year. They're just stuck right here. Yeah. Okay. So how does an arch manning factor into a draft like this any year where there's a looming, Uber-hyped, you know, prospect?

the next year at a position like quarterback especially, how does that affect some of the teams that are going to be on the fence? And do they know that if things go well, they probably won't be able to take a stab at the guy that they're building their whole, their whole, you know, kind of their MO around in 25? Yeah, I think there's, well, there's intrigue to see if he would even come out next year because there's some thought that he'll stay an extra year because he just haven't played yet. So he'd want to do that for two years.

obviously money going to be an issue for, you know, not only just having grown up as a manning, but more so what he's making in NIL. Yeah, now he's like, rich, he's probably making almost as much as the other mannings. Yeah, I know, exactly. He's doing,

he's doing well for himself. So I think there's a chance you'd have to, it's a little dicey when you start playing that game and then he doesn't even come out. I do think that if you look at college football right now, whether it's next year or the year after, like you're getting DJ Lagway, just in peeking at him at Florida is, really, really talented, you know, seeing him for the first time last year. You've got Arch.

I know the year did not finish up the way Drew Aller wanted, but he has got a ton of ability and is a big, strong kid. We'll see who he does at Penn State next year. There looks like there's some more guys coming. My whole thing on quarterbacks is if you're going to take one in the first round, you have to be able to have the conversation and say, okay, if he hits his ceiling, if he's at his best, what is he? And if you're a team, like, say you're in the AFC and you're like, okay, if this kid hits his ceiling. And now I put him in a stack with Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, C.J. Stroud, Josh, out. Like, all I start stack. I'm like, well, he's not good enough. Like, so if he hits his ceiling, he's still not good enough. Then don't take one. That's right.

Wait until you can get one that can compete with those guys. No question. And take me through the edge guys, because this is obviously my favorite part of the draft. Yeah. My research, my extensive research on this group of players, is consistent of watching Jalen Walker hit bags. Nice. Nice. Good work. And man, did he look good hitting those bags? So this was, I know he's more of an outside backer type, but take me through your favorite

edge guys, maybe one through five. Sure. So I have Carder, Abdul Carter, one. I have Jalen Walker, too. And again, you got to know how to, the right way to use him and do a lot of different things. I had Mike Green from Marshall 3. Mike Hill Williams from Georgia.

And then Shamar Stewart, probably the most polarizing guy from A&M who's got all kinds of twitch and power and suddenness just didn't have any production. So, which by the way, where do you come down on that? I've had this conversation all this whole year to me has been a production versus traits conversation. Well, I always think like listen, like ultimately to be able to justify where you pick an edge player he has to produce, right? He has to be able to finish plays like, you know, I'll peel back to. and like me being a high draft pick, I could win a rush as good as anybody. But, you know, a lot of times finishing on the quarterback was hard for me. I'd come in there like a missile and miss and somebody else would get the sack or what have you.

Maybe I'd miss it and the ball would go down the field and I'd be on the ground listening to to the cheers of the opposing fans and know that I just gave up a 60-yard play. You know, I think I think production matters. And when you see like a big jump in production like I had, you know, for instance, you, You have to figure out why that is. I think if you understand why that is, I'm good with it. But if you don't know why there's a big jump in production or why the player hasn't produced, then maybe stay away.

I was excited to see that Abdul Carter had 12, 13 sacks this year. He was all over the TV. He's like, okay, stamp him because he's got all the intangible, he seems to have all the intangibles and all the physical tools. But yeah, where do you land on the production thing? Yeah, I tend to lean more towards that. I mean, obviously, everybody would like to have both. Yeah, well, those guys are going to top five, you know.

So outside of that, you've got to choose. I lean a little bit more towards a production, provided you just have, I know you can win one or two ways. This was a conversation I had with baseball GM, and I've talked about this with some of our mutual friends in the D-Line world. I thought it was fascinating because I asked my buddy is the GM of the Padres, and I said, hey, would you rather have a pitcher with five good pitches or two dominant pitches.

And he was like Randy Johnson, two dominant pitches all day long. And so I was having this conversation with the D-Line coach, and I just posed the same question, didn't give them the answers to the test. And he's like, oh, yeah, 100%. Just give me the two dominant rushes. He said, we have, oftentimes these guys come back and they want to do this and I've worked on that.

Like, no, no, no, no. You got, these two work. Like, we're just hone in on those and ace those two. And we'll win a lot of rushes and we'll win a lot of games. Do you have many moves Robert Quinn had? One and a half. Good for 15 a year. Yeah, good for 15 a year.

Good for 21 year. Just an unbelievable player. Who's the most out of that top five? Yeah. Like low floor, high ceiling. Oh, Stuart. Yeah. Texas A&M.

Yeah, Texas. He's got big time juice. And you saw it in flashes at the senior bowl and some of the one-on-ones. He doesn't have, like, for lack of the better word, doesn't have great GPS like he you know he'll win he wins a lot of battles and doesn't win a lot of wars yeah mm-hmm mm-hmm but it's like the GPS thing is good you know what I mean like like it's all it's all in there I was having to talk with a uh a buddy of mine and personnel department and we're like I pose it to him like game on the line would you trust him like it's you need to get

to the Super Bowl championship game fourth and seven like you trust him to win and get the job done yeah And he's like talked himself into it a little bit. He was like, I know he'll, you know, he'll get through the tackle. I'm like, no, no, I know. Like I'm worried that him and the tackle are going to be laying on the ground of some violent collision as the quarterback just, you know, through the game winning touchdown. Yeah, which we've all seen guys like that.

It is about, yeah, understanding space and everything. And you don't know, because you allude to the jump and speed of the game, I mean, like, it's really hard to find space in the NFL. Like, your spatial awareness needs time to adjust. The last question I want to ask you, because I did ask you about defensive ends, to be fair to the offensive linemen, Will Campbell short arms.

I loved his response. At the same time, I'm wondering if you've done your own due diligence on, and I'm sure you guys have studied this extensively, how many good short-arm tackles are there in the league? Like, is that something that, you know, how we did the small-hand quarterback thing? And there are counter examples to all those, you know, those barbs that we throw at certain quarterbacks every year?

Like, are there enough short-arm tackles? tackles to justify taking a tackle with short arms despite that kind of stereotype. There's not a ton of them. But, you know, like I see one, you know, every game that he's ever played in NFL and Rishon Slater. But Rishan Slater is 33-inch arms. But you've seen Rishan. He's wide as a house.

He's got unbelievable core strength. So, like, my whole thing on the arms is the arms is an issue because guys are going to get to your chest. So if guys can get to your chest, do you have the core strength? can you bend and can you, you know, just anchor down and be able to absorb that. If you're flimsy and have short arms, you're done. And like, even like Joe Tuny is maybe on a Hall of Fame track. And there's a reason why he's a guard.

And we saw that in the Super Bowl because the Eagles, Eagles rushed him long the whole game. They just got to his chest the whole time. Yes. So I always, I know people, it's like on the outside. It's kind of fun to like make fun. Oh, you know, dumb scouts. Like really a quarter of an inch or two inches in an arm like makes a difference. I'm like, yeah, I can show you a lot of examples of why you would much rather have longer arms.

And it's a pass rush or is the same thing. And that's, for pass rushes, I say this every year, I'd rather take a short guy. I don't know why we look at height at all. Yeah. I'd rather have a short guy with long arms at defense's tackle. And to your point, like width of shoulders can matter just as much for a tackle, right? Because you're trying to get around the guy. And, and, you know, it's not the same doing this as it is doing this. And so, I mean, every year we get caught up in this discussion.

But to your point, I think Slater is a great example. You got to have a good balance. You have to have a good anchor. You have to have good feet. If you got all those things, you can survive short arms. Yep. But if you're like Holden Miller and you have short arms, that's going to be a problem. Yeah, no question.

And then like with Will Campbell specifically, the reason why I'd have Slater over him as a player coming out is because like it's not the arm length for me as much as he's narrow. he's just kind of a narrow-shouldered guy and guys can get on his edges, you know, and he, but he's, he's got unbelievable feet to recover. Yeah. But I just wonder a little bit about like, because you have that core, like ridiculous core strength you're going to need to be, because he's going to be put in some tough positions, you know. No question. Because of that. So the good thing with him is I'm like, worst case scenario, I think he could kick in and more than survive and be a good player in there. Yeah.

You get a pro bowl guard. Nobody's mad at you. Yeah, no. It's a good player. And he's wired, like the wiring with. is like off the charts, you know, elite. So I ended up putting Membue one spot, like, as my top tackle. And Campbell is my second on the final one because, and I'm always, I don't ever want to

compare guys a Hall of Famer. So I'm not comparing him to a future Hall of Famer. But when I was in Philly and we had Peters and I'm like, Membu has that same body. Like, he just looks just like him. I'm like, if he could get to 60% of what he was, like, that's, you know, unbelievable. And it took JP some time. Yeah. It took JP some time, converted tight end, the whole thing.

Daniel Jeremiah, you can catch him Thursday night, 8 p.m. Sharp, be there early. He'll be doing the first round and every round of the 2025 NFL draft from Green Bay. Appreciate the time, DJ. You're the best. Thanks for coming on the show. I appreciate it. By the way, I heard from some folks from broadcast boot camp. I was like, all right, so who was the star in the show?

Like, who was it? Don't tell your brother that I said this, but he got a lot of love, man. He's good, dude. He could be calling games before you know it. That's what the people told me were like, he needs to call games. He's ready to call games. He's ready to call games right now. So that means I got to deal with his bullshit, even when I'm trying to just watch a football game.

I told him, you just edit this out, dude. Just edit this out. We don't want to pump his head up. DJ, man. It's good to see you, man. All right, bro. See you, man. What do you think about the spaceship?

Bro, like, what, like, like, why do you agree to, like, bullshit like that? We're talking about the spaceship full of bro? Like yes I just joking I never use that word and then and then my thing is here's my aren't there a lot of women that have worked a lot harder to maybe get to go to space But wasn't there wasn't there someone on there that really went to space or like is like really an astronaut or something? It's just like why tarnish your shit like like like doing that I didn't pay enough attention to it honestly like I didn't either but I was just like the stuff I seen on it like that it was fake and my thing is when all this stuff gets leaked or it comes out It's just like are the people that are working for you just like hate you that much and they just can't wait to be like Ha like look I got this video look look at these assholes. I got them like I can I can prove this is fake

I don't I don't oh everything's fake now yeah but it's just like but who's leaking it like you know I'm saying Who's leaking the video? Yeah who's leaking the video well I think who leaked the draymond green punch like it's just Are you comparing the draymond green punch to the comparing to katy perry going to space. Katie Perry didn't go to space not to post it on Instagram. No, I'm talking about the look, they showed the video.

If you had told those, those people, yeah, if you had told them, hey, we're going to go to space, but you got to shut the fuck up about it. They wouldn't have gone to space. No, no, no. I feel like they might have, maybe, or they

would have been vague about it, but the fact that that video came out of them pushing the door back shut and like looking crazy, I just think that's funny. Didn't see the video. All I saw was Katie Perry, like, waxing philosophical about it and sounding like ridiculous. It's ridiculous, bro. Like, this is, it's not that deep. It's not that deep. People are. The guy that delivers me, uh, pubic hair trimmers in less than a day is, uh, is putting people in space because he can. I mean, he just, you know what I'm talking about, right? Bezos. Yeah, yeah.

Yo, in that video, like, he's just doing it because he can. But look, right? Isn't that what he's doing and i don't know because he can yeah see him trip yeah he tripped him hell and so they leaked that too like while he's doing all this BS in the background he's like running to get out the way of the shot he trips and falls and it's just like whoever like was watching this like i can't wait to leak this they're probably just dying well i saw like William shatner i don't know if william shatner was on this expedition or not but like i saw a clip of him trying to talk to jeff bezos and like tell him about the uh the trip and like bezos just could not be bothered to live Listen to him for more than 20 seconds.

Here's him, him tripping. Is this Bezos? Yeah. Ah, that's so fucking fun. And then, I don't know if you saw,

but they, they opened the door from the, from the inside. Yes. And then they, they pushed it closed because they were like, no, no, no,

we need to grab the, the door opening tool. Yes. Let's open it with the door opening tool. Yes. And this is what debunked it all. I don't know if people realize this, but shit like this happens all the time.

Oh, all the time. Like, like, Like landing on the moon. No, but I'm saying like things like the door thing where they're like, no, for the best shot. Like let's do this. We got to show off our toys or like, hey, can you, you know, I'll be watching a documentary or

something and somebody will say something. I'm like, I know they told the subject to say that out of this B roll. It's just, and everybody thinks it's real. It's just, it's a production. It's a fucking production. It's, um, but I think it's more of the fact that it really went to space and came down, you wouldn't be able to open it from inside. that's the issue so then so then you must say with certainty that they that they didn't go to

space and that's that yes so do you believe they went to space no not at all you don't think they went to space you're calling these women liars man man that's the best you got man can you name six women go to space messed up that's all you can say it's practically a hidden figure situation Who's the most famous out of the bunch? Probably the only thing that I can name. Katie Perry. Gail King. Oh, is that Gail King?

Yeah. Gail King. Gail King. Like, first of all. You call on Gail King a liar? I hate to be this guy. Yeah? I hate to be this guy.

But the fact that there's two black chicks in the group, yo, no black chicks are going to space or just like I'm going to space. Really? Like, I don't think so You don't think so? No Two of them just did And then

I don't think they're going to go with You just think it's With four other white girls It has to be at least even It has to be easy There's one Asian gal That's what they did to offset it Okay

And then Still outnumbered I know that's Um Yep Lauren Sanchez There's only two white women Hmm

Mm. Mm. Katie Perry and A Gayle King. I believe a real astronaut. That's Carrie and Flynn who is The two astronauts are

Aisha Bow Literally a black astronaut, bro. We had Leland Melvin on the show. This is random. Only an astronaut I've ever met. Black dude. This is random.

What? I've been to Gail King's house. Should I ask? Why? no i know her son i know her son who's okay he's from my area okay yeah they had the big um what's the sandlot dog so you're gonna call your buddy old master and be like hey your mom's a fucking liar she can go to space what just like what a ridiculous lie to tell if that were a lie yeah see i just believe i believe maybe it's not naivete for me it's just like

I'm trying to imagine lying about something like this. And it's just a bridge too far. Yeah. It's just a bridge too far. But my thing is here's the thing. What? When you think about something like this and you agree to something like this. Sure.

Even if it goes exactly how everyone plans, like, then it just blows up. Like, what do you do? What's up with the suits? Like, I mean, that's what I'm saying? What are those doing? Like, then do you guys all, like, fabricate a book? together to say what you did, how the journey was, like, until someone cracks. Like, and then you know, down the line, someone's going to crack.

What are these women before? Like, they're not taking it to the grave. What? Like, that's what I'm saying. That's why I don't believe. Even if it works. That's why some conspiracies, I don't believe, because it's just too hard to believe that somebody could shut the fuck up for their whole lives about it.

Yeah. Like, you're going to be at a dinner party and be like, girl, we didn't go to space. Right. Like, that's exactly how that would go. What's up with the, what's up with the fucking suits, man? It's like, it's like a MLB umpire or MLB manager situation. You're not really an astronaut. You're not really a baseball player.

You don't need the uniform. You don't need the uniform. I think you do. I think wore some Lulu lemon. What is, no, you don't. Like to, once you break like the atmosphere and everything. That suit, when you're on the way to space. That suits the difference.

Yeah, like, you need that. That suit looks like Halloween in there. They just showed up for a photo shoot. So anyways, what kind of art did I consume over the last week? We went and saw Billy Strings. Cowboy Reed was in the arena. I was in the arena. We didn't cross past.

Billy was amazing. Everybody in the whole group was amazing. I have an affinity for the fiddle guy. I like the fiddle in general. Stand-up bass player was like his vibe was incredible. Yeah, I'd go right down the line. and compliment everybody on stage, but it was an incredible performance.

And when I walked in, there was like an older guy that had been working the events for a while. He's like, I haven't seen the parking lot like this since like Grateful Dead. Oh, yeah. It's a vibe.

Yeah, it's a vibe. There are smells. Yeah, they put up like a little city almost. Like it's a farmer's market. You walk down, they're selling, you know, beers for $3. It's like a modern day shakedown. And then afterwards, you saw all the balloons.

Yes. Lots of balloons afterwards. Yes. And just like, just never a disappointing, I mean, he never shorts you. I'm on Nugs. I got the Nugs membership, right, so I can hear all the concerts. But he always plays two sets. He plays two sets most of the time, at least in my experience. And then, you know, a lot of covers. I thought the set in Kerry, North Carolina, which was a night or two later, which popped up on Nugs, looked incredible as well. finished with the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, which we love here at this podcast. So that would have been incredible how he played that in Charlestful, but it was a great night. He played probably three hours. He played a while. Lonesome Moonlight Waltz was my favorite that he ripped.

Me too, one of them. Bill Monroe tune. So that was Bill Monroe. I thought it was last day on Earth or last days on Earth, which is a Bill Monroe song. I wonder if it's got two names or something. It could. Three quarters of a song, I thought, I was like, is this Bill? and I thought it was

I'll play it for you later but Billy was awesome he's the fucking man hey I got it's a I need advice from you guys on something I'm having a hard time sleeping in the same bed as my wife

you know like from a standpoint of space you know like I the worst my body is the more I have to kind of spread out or go sideways you know we have a king bed not a California king, a king. And last week we got a mattress.

One of these mattresses that like goes, you know, like the old people ones. And it sucks. Terrible. The first night I'm sleeping on the ground on the mattress, the old mattress that I hated so much that we got a new one, right? And Max's like, you fucking idiot. And after the first night, I'm like, oh, my God, I forgot how much I love sleeping on the ground. like I love being low to the ground and I if I could I would sleep on the ground with no box spring just a mattress every night of my life are you the same way you I am I in college I

slept on a futon that was like you know me too six eight inches off the ground it was awesome the best it was awesome the best then as you get older and cohabitate and make more money the answer is sleeping worse. Right, right, right. Get further off the ground, have to share the bed with people. Is it fucked up to propose the two-bed bedroom situation? I don't think so. She's not, she doesn't think it's fucked up.

Now, the other thing is... You know, they have those beds. Alaskin Kings. No, they have those beds where it's like, it's not a bunk bed, but it's a bed. With a trundle. And then they have a bed that you can slide under and you just get on that. No, but here's the deal. Here's the problem with the trundle.

Okay? I can't be sleeping on a trundle. It's worse than Matthew Stafford having to sleep number his situation with his wife, that I'm sleeping down on a trundle. And so what am I going to do? Make my wife sleep on the trundle? Like, you know what I'm saying? Either situation, you really are going to sleep on the trundle?

You're going to come home at night after a hard day of podcasting, sweat on your brow? I'm confused on what's the difference than that, then the box spring on the round. Because you're just not rolling it. The trundle, the box spring on the, you walk into a guy's room and you're like, hey, where do you sleep, brother?

And he's like, hey, down here, you're like, whoa, what a situation you got, man. Like, what a fucking alpha you are. But then you walk in and you're like, hey, brother, where do you sleep? And he's like, hold on. Let me roll it out real quick. It's a little twin trundle.

There's like a, there's a running meme. I don't know if you know this now. There's a running meme that like, every like top baddie on the internet that's like an Instagram influencer or act like they have money they're going home to like a box spring on the ground so that's not it's not a good thing but I'm not an Instagram batty I'm a man in control of my life in that situation you know what I mean I'm a man with back problems I'm six foot trundle there's like a real sidecar vibe there with the trundle yeah you're kind of like a beta you're like the dog

with the goggles man but but here's my thing how is how is the mattress on the ground would a box bring not the same feeling it's a separate vehicle because I have to slide it back in like a little fucking like a little like a like a ratatooie character in the morning dude I don't need that I don't want to be I don't want to be pulling out a trundle every night and then also how many times you're going to hit your foot on that fucking trundle When you forget to pull it out. This is what it's going to turn into. I leave it out one morning.

And then I'm going to hear, Ow! And I'm going to go back there and she's going to be like on the ground. It's your fault. That fucking trundle is what she'll say to me. You're fucking trundle. I'm sleeping on the ground on the bed. Or hear me out.

Alaskan king. Yeah. You ever heard of these? I have. It's two queens. Together. Okay, it's a 9 by 9 bed. You can get them 8 by 8, 9 by 9, 10 by 10.

I'm going to get, I think that might be the answer. The Alaskan King, but here's how I'm really winning. Alaskin King, Japanese bed frame on the ground. Alaskin King on the ground. It's fire. Walk into that room, you're like, man, they got it figured out. You better get a sheet company sponsored on deck because this isn't going to be hell trying to find. Alaskin King sells sheets.

Checkmate. No, that's a monopoly. It's not checkmate for them. When they go out of business, it's the fur of fuck. No, because that's the only place you can get them from. Look the sides of that bed, bro. I know. I'll be sitting solidly.

And it's so low, too, that it's honestly. You know all that means, though, right? What? It's just enough room for the entire family. Look, you see that picture. Look, look at that white family. Yeah. You think you're going to be alone?

Look at that white family. Chris is going to be like my fucking back hurts. I have no room in here. And everyone else is going to be sleeping comfortable as hell, bro. That's how it is. You don't, you, you think I fucking ordered this 10 foot bed so you guys could act like you're scared every night? Yep.

You're not scared. That's why I, things. This is, this is y'all. There we go. This is y'all and Willie. No, Willie's not coming here on a fucking bed. And the dog. well he's not coming near the bed you don't think your dog a bed on the floor your dog's not

gonna get out he's gonna think it's for him he's not allowed back there okay we babygate that motherfucker look at look at that family pictures will it'd be it'd be a 10-foot bed I'll be in the corner will it be over in my corner just looking at me oh that's another that's another question for the racial dad that might be a negative you let dogs lick you in the face no not Willie. Like, no, like you have, though, before. I have before, sure. I have before. I know. White people do that. White people do that. I know. I got Mono in college. Oh, you did? Yeah, which another strike. Which means, Mono, was it bad? I was told, yeah. Was it like, like, was it bad, like when you had? Yeah, I lost a lot of weight. Thought I was dying. Oh. You know,

one day my uvula swole up so bad I couldn't breathe almost. And I was like, I got to get this checked out and then they were like you on mononucleosis and coach grow was not happy because that's the one thing where a coach can't make you practice no you can't like you have to get away from everybody yeah yeah and isn't it like i lost like 20-some pound isn't there like a big contagious period of that too yeah so i had to act like a fucking yeah persona non grata for a while containment and the worst part is you're not supposed to drink. Yeah. We did that anyways.

We did that anyways. Did that anyways. Yeah, you feel terrible. Do your shout out, Nate? Yeah, do your shout-off, go. Take goodbye. Yeah, say goodbye on that. Shout out to our old teammate, John Kevin Dolcee, who just got his medical residency

at UVA hospital. That is really good. He's about to be an orthopedic surgeon, one of our old teammates here at Virginia. and just want to shout him out one of my real good friends can we put up a picture of him he is ripped he's and i don't know if you like you got you got to look at he started doing some social media stuff now that he's done with school and i love the start of it and he deemed himself the strongest doctor in america which i think is possibly might be true and he's welcomed anyone out there to challenge it what kind of doctor is he orthopedics he's a orthopedic yeah he's gonna be doing he's going to be doing

knee replacement, probably working on some football guys. Yeah. Hopefully not, but people get hurt in our sport, so I'm excited for it. Honey, what was your doctor's name again? That's not him. Oh, that's just someone else. And then look at this picture of John Kevin Dolce. No, not that picture.

Matt. Looks like a soap opera actor. Like Muslims, dude. He did this like to like a motivational video. Yeah, look at it. Yeah. Bro, look at this guy. He's one of the biggest people ever.

That's all natural. Is that all natural? All natural, bro. All natural. John Kevin has not. He'll love this shoutout. Anything. He's going to love this shoutout.

My guy. Like, why wouldn't that shout out? I love John Kevin Dolson. He's been in school for so long. So long. Can you believe, like he's been. Look at that. Look at that.

Look at that. Fake bustles, dude. Oh, my God. It looks like he literally could deflate.