Green Light with Chris Long - Dennard Wilson! Titans Defense, L'Jarius Sneed & Jeffery Simmons! Austin Rivers, Tesla Trucks & Mailbag!

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

Freakshow Friday! We begin by talking about Tesla trucks, give a Hello around a famous NBA athlete we happened to have seen outside the Green Light Studio and talk about our Wednesday river trip. New Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Dennard Wilson joins Chris to talk about the Titans, coaching L'Jarius Sneed and Jeffery Simmons, Chris and Dennard's days in St. Louis, working with Ran Carthon and the excitement for Brian Callahan and Tennessee. We end today's episode with a little mailbag around the new Utah hockey team, being out of touch at age 39 and Coaching Rookie QBs on the Best Ways to Acclimate to the NFL. (00:00) - Hello, Tesla Trucks & River Trip (16:20) - Austin Rivers and NBA Athletes in the NFL (36:50) - Macon's Kiss Tracks (40:30) - Titans Defensive Coordinator Dennard Wilson talks Titans Revamped Defense, Coaching L'Jarius Sneed and Jeffery Simmons & Being with the Rams with Chris (1:14:00) - Mailbag: New Mascot for the Utah Hockey Team, Being Out of Touch at Age 39 & Coaching Rookie QBs on the Best Ways to Acclimate to the NFL. Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I look at Ligeria Sneed, and I think that's an aggressive football player. He's got a D-Line mentality. I heard you, I like this acronym now. Dog, D-A-W-G, disciplined assholes with grit. Is he like, is he pretty much on top of list there? He's the prototypical one. I mean, how many corners do you find that can run, that can cover, and he's going to line up against the best receivers in the National Football League?

Like, you watch him in Kansas City, it doesn't matter who he's going against, and he's going to compete. You might get him, but he's coming back at you. even harder. So when you line up against receivers in the league, you know you got guys that's going to battle that's not going to waver. They're not going to be afraid of the competition. And that allows you to have that aggressive mindset. So I'm excited about Legerius. He's a hell of a guy. He's very smart. He takes coaching. And he's had a lot of success. I mean, two years in a row, he got me out to playoffs and obviously in the Super Bowl. So it's good to

get him on my team. The Greenlight Podcast welcomes you. Thanks for jumping in today. We've got a good one. We recap the Grinlight River trip on Wednesday. It's still early in the season, but the boys had fun. We also put our finishing touches on the Austin River's NFL NBA argument. Making throws out a couple more kiss tracks.

And then we welcome on Dernard Wilson. He is the defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans. We talk about the excitement for the Titans defense in 2024, Ligeria Sneed and Jeffrey Simmons. Also, Chris and Dernard reminisce about their time in St. Louis and how Dernard worked with Ran Carthin with the, Rams and how this reunion now years later is very special. A good chat with Dynard.

And then we end with a quick mailbag. A couple questions thrown out. It's a fun little episode. Enjoy it. And we will catch you back here on Tuesday. Everyone's cars nowadays, they look the same. Like, all cars are like, if you think about it, SUVs are kind of all merging into one shape because it's a safety issue.

If when you're in that, you don't. don't have to worry about shit. Yeah, the stuff for the malfunctions. Once they get everything worked out, maybe like in seven years, when it's probably plowing into a school bus. Say it again.

When you look down at your Kindle. All right, here's the problem with Tesla. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just because SUVs are homogenous and ugly in today's era, it doesn't mean you go out and make that. You know what I mean? That thing is fucking hideous.

Bro. Here's a funny story about Tesla. Is that real? That's real. I've seen one. Think about how many, like, off road and stuff in the woods you could do with that Chris like camp bro I have a fuck bro I have a

a tundra I can do all that stuff with my tundra I can put things in the back of it and I don't and I don't look at everybody driving the road's not like hey who the fuck is that guy bulletproof though it's the new Hummer it's the new H2 bro it's the new small dick wagon I'm just telling you I just trying to get out in front of this dude I don't want you driving around in a side are you going to war dude I'm just thinking about other people. Think about Drake's security guard.

Sitting in a Tesla outside the house, you don't get shot. Yeah, well, where are you going to park the Tesla? It's huge. It's unsightly. All right? Like, you get a bulletproof vest. It's unsightly to you. No, I understand.

It's an art piece. Okay, and I'm telling you, it's an art piece to you, but someone else, it's unsightly. Okay? And here's another funny thing about Tesla. Yesterday, my wife and I are talking ever put the kids down. And she's like, oh my God, you have to see this. I cannot believe she was about to show me like a UFO. She was like, I saw something in the road today that I cannot describe.

And she fumbles for a phone. She pulls it out. And she's like, look at this fucking thing. She's, she's zooming in. Do you know what this is? Like, is this sort of like a government? It's a cyber truck. It's a cyber truck.

I'm like, I go, come here for a second. I was in her boat. When I saw it on the bypass, I did a, I did a 180. It's called a cyber truck. Oh, okay. See, I feel like, I feel like if you're online, you know what it is. Speaking of, if you guys go on. to Mr. Beech's Instagram page,

and you guys can add me in his comment, we can all have a chance to win. To win a cyber truck? The Tesla and a cyber truck. He's given away for free. I'm going to tell you how good of a YouTube video this is going to be. If we win a cyber truck,

we're going to fucking destroy it. Like office space style. No way. I'm just going to beat the shit out of it with a baseball. Didn't they do that when they rolled it out? I saw that. We were like, it's indestructible. You think I'm not going to be able to?

I'll sit inside. I'll sit inside and laugh at you. Bro, you can shoot it. And nothing happened. Dude. You can shoot it. Can you drive it off a cliff? Did you,

can you drive it off a cliff? I don't want to be funny. Can you submerge it in the ocean? I don't want to be funny. Did you see the story about the guy who went crazy with his family in a car, drove off the cliff in the Tesla? And they all survived. Didn't find a big enough cliff.

So that's cliff selection. Yo, you're a sick out. No, I'm just telling you. You're going to tell me he probably drove down a seven foot cliff. You're sicko. He's the fucking type of guy that would buy a Tesla cyber truck. think they were in California and they weren't even in the cyber truck these cars are safe man oh the teslas why did it drive it probably wasn't even the husband it probably just the Tesla just drove off

the cliff facts would you like to drive around in the cyber truck that we went and we all shoot guns at it yeah that would be awesome i'm definitely down to do that that's great all right good deal we'll put your name on the on the cocombeo indiana okay hello why well david robinson was walking around outside and then y'all asked me if i had a hello and i didn't have anything first thing that popped in my mind was cocomo and then i find there's a cocombeau indiana uh cocombe uh the jimmy buffett song is it no is it jimmy buffett who is it beach boys beach boys beach boys yeah i don't like the fucking song but it reminds me of devon funchus which reminds me that we do have professional football players that have crossed over he's but he's dominating the caribbean

league i do want to talk about i should ask david robinson what are you up to man rishie Rice could be suspended for like six weeks. Do you think you could... Red zone target. You know? Because I kind of wonder what Doug McDermott's up to, you know? Like he should just be able to slide in there and get you 900 yards. He could run a big loop or whatever the hell? Mm-hmm. A big loop or whatever the hell. Yeah. He could, yeah, he could run off a pick and roll.

No doubt about it. Coach, can we just run pick plays? How was your time with the Admiral? Can I... Yeah, I want to talk about David Robinson. Basically, I ran up on David Robinson. We're sitting... I still don't know why David Robinson was in Charlottesville, Virginia, but we're sitting up here in the studio getting ready to podcast looking out the window down onto second street, which is not a, it's a busy street, but this is not a big city. And so when there's a six foot 10 guy in a suit, you see him and Matt's over there by the window and he's like, David Robinson's outside. And I'm like, is this like a code for something else? Is this like, is this like a fucking joke? Is this a guy

looks like David Robinson? Is there a homeless guy that's 610? Like, what's going on outside? And like no it's really David Robinson so I didn't have any time to think about I just sprint it down open the door I go David and he looks over like he's like I'm a fucking assassin and I'm like it's Chris Long. Good news well I mean and the thing is David Robinson and I have a little bit of a tiny relationship where I've talked to him on the phone a couple times about a charity thing and I thought he was the coolest guy in the world I would remind you that I think think he should be the next president of the United States if you want to find an athlete to

actually run for office. I think it should be David Robinson. I told him that and he just laughed, which I think, I didn't tell him that down there. I told him that on the phone. And then his driver was like, hey, Chris, I was good to see you. And I was like, take care of that guy. It's your next president of the United States. And of course, the guy said, we could use him. So anyways, we saw David Robinson. I didn't even ask him why he was here. I was like, good to see you. How he been and then I ran back across the street no edits to that story Kingston nothing it was you he wanted credit for spotting david roberts did i just it's the most unimportant but it's not and i'll tell you why no it's important no it's important that is important that is important

i walked in casually may i yeah yeah yeah yeah and i said the admiral's outside and and they were like yeah wouldn't that be something i was like no david robinson you really david robinson is literally outside right now because he is also known to me yeah i'll tell you why Why? His son played football at Notre Dame, right? And they came to Seaville to play Virginia. Yeah. And in my capacity as whatever I was doing with Virginia, I was down pregame, and we sat on the same bench together, had a conversation.

He was really nice, wasn't he? Really nice. He also took a league next to Magic Johnson. I have done that. You know, so put it on the wall. And also, you know, we're all about accuracy here. It's actually a Water Street. Water Street, right.

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, you're right. It's Water Street. Yeah. I didn't want docks us, but now here we are. Okay, my bad. Waterboys. What?

We're actually a... If you find the code building and walk across the street, we're next to Iron Papples. You could probably knock them. We'll think it's dooredad. You could be sitting in on this fucking moderately successful podcast. It's happening right here. It's funny because... naked story how he just said it.

Reed ran upstairs when all this is happening when everyone's finding out that David Robinson's outside in the span of the three minutes. Reed comes upstairs. I'm playing Madden and he runs through the door and he goes, David Robinson's outside. And I go, what? And he goes, yeah, the Admiral. It just walks out the door.

Like with no context. To look out. And I was just like, huh? You just don't see. Eli David Robinson's walking around. No, I was taking a video from above. It didn't really work out because when I got up there, you were running back across the street.

But yeah, I don't think Nate didn't move from his spot on the couch. No, no, I didn't get up quick enough. I didn't know we had Madden upstairs. We do. You want to play? After this? After DeNard? Yeah.

Maybe. Maybe. Tomorrow. I've been secretly practicing. Maybe soon. Hey, we went on the river yesterday. I want to shout out, I want to shout out Mayor Brian Vincent, down in Farmville, Virginia.

He's got Appomattox River Company, which is honestly my happy place. I'd never been there before. It's just a big warehouse with a bunch of kayaks. It's so great. I was just sitting in the kayaks on the ground. I bought three boats. I was on my rod carrick.

Whoa. I bought three boats. Oh, you went yesterday. No, two days ago. So I went to Farmville, which is the furniture hub, and I was supposed to get furniture for the house. Didn't come back with any furniture. It came back with three kayaks.

I don't know. He's trying to, he doesn't have anything to add to the river section, so he's just making a mess. No, no, no, I've got a lot of questions, but my stress ball broke in the middle of your, isn't that interesting? Maybe you're stressed. You're talking about your happy place,

and I broke my stress ball. Yeah. Maybe you don't like other people's happy balls. So anyways, in here, psyched, get a couple boats, bought a boat for Whalen, I got a white water kayaking boat, which is tough because if you like, be on the river and you want to get into whitewater kayaking,

and you can't be one of these big guys. It's not quite like jockey level, small you got to be. But you can't be like me, so I had to get a bigger one, but it's still a whitewater kayak. I plan on taking that down to Richmond at some point. Are you talking wide as a problem or tall is a problem? Tall length of legs.

And anyways, I want to shout out Appomattox River Company because they always hook us up and we love them. So we took out the boats yesterday and we got on the river and we're good well. We pulled up to the takeout point that we always meet at and park at so that when we get off the river we can just put our boats in the truck and go. and I hear a hornhawk across the river in Buckingham County, which by as the car drives is probably like 25 minutes. That's all you're going to say across the river.

As the man swims, a dangerous 140 yards when the river's running at four and a half feet. And I see a man over there and he's just like, it's Nate. Nate has gone to the wrong side of the river to meet us. And he's in Buckingham County. and he's not making any efforts to get across the river. So essentially we had to ferry him back across the river. I had to swim across the river, give him my boat. I had to go, you know, ferry the boat to him, get out of the boat, swim across the river.

It's like that riddle. Can I? Yes. And then, and then here's the kicker. After all that, it's time to get in the trucks. You know, we loaded the truck. Nate takes shotgun. Okay.

Let me backtrack. Let me backtrack and start this story from the very beginning. Chris says he was contacting someone at the Hat and Ferry stop to see about the water, and then we would let everyone know if we were going to meet there or not. Me, Reed, and Matt went to Breemore Bluff, which is approximately 40 minutes away. Or an hour and a half if you drive. 40 minutes away from Hatt and Ferry.

So by going there instead. Oh, so it's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. Guy doesn't own a kayak. Guy drives to the wrong side of the river. Guy makes zero effort to get back across the river. If anybody's fault, you can blame Reed.

But you cannot blame me for this. Can I, can I finish me for this? I think you should be allowed to finish. He should finish. So while we're at Bremor Bluff, we get the call. So I'm a little agitated. Did you know that? I'm agitated because I'm just like, this is poor planning.

And so I'm like, all right, cool. I just went to Hatt and Ferry last week. We're going to Hatt and Ferry. I have the address. I'm out. Because for one, I didn't want to follow behind Reed. Read had all the boats. He can only drive a certain.

I understand that. I'm agitated. I'm like, let me just get there. No service for half the trip. 10 minutes into the trip, I get text message with a, with, with, a location pinpoint of hat and ferry and what I am understanding he was given the wrong my understanding is this is where we're meeting that's the point of this he was at brimor bluff listen it's not his fault that the inning went the way the inning went but it would

be akin to the shortstop booting a ball and then you're just like all right fucking I'm just going to throw the ball over the back like you know it's it's you got to get yourself out of the inning a little bit show a little life you know and then when you get in the club house you know you take shotgun me and reed lead the river and saves we are the mariano rivaa of the river we have saved more people on that river than than anybody dude and you know all i all i'm saying is before they play fucking uh metallica and i come running out of the fucking the little the little door in the outfield just just try to throw strikes you know just just get the ball over the plate for you know while i'm warming up it all ended up well yeah we were fine you know why

Because when we left, I got the fish over there. I caught a few fish on that side. I usually don't catch any fish on the Hat and Ferry side. So it's working out. Yeah, you just wanted to scout. I think when you went over there to save him, you had to wait for him to get his line in. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, seriously. I'm like paddling against the current. I'm like, oh, but I could, you know, let me get over here into this Eddie, you know, because it's like treacherous out there. And Nate's just like, well, one more cast. I think he gave you a like, grab my bag of chips he gave you like a whole line let me i was like you might have to get in the water

and walk over to the kayak he's nope staying dry uh you ended up great no it ended up a great trip from from rivers to austin rivers that was a great trip can we talk about austin rivers let's talk about austin rivers i just read an article that said i was enraged i saw the headline i saw the headline is it in rage rant do you talk do you take any offense to not being named in the headline you're simply x-rims divets of no because i'm not going to name the blog okay like this blog doesn't exist you know well no I mean like you know I'm not gonna name the blog that called me enraged I'm not enraged here's what happens when the NFL draft ends there's nothing to fucking talk about I'm hanging on by a

thread as far as like interest in topics I can only weigh in so much on you know the Drake Kendrick beef although we might have some kiss tracks later in the pot I I loved hearing Austin Rivers get on Pat McAfee show and lavas this this softball throw us this alley-you because what he said i mean like we've said this before i think NBA players i think there's somebody out there there's more than a there's a couple guys at least that i'd like to see try to play football because i think they're incredible athletes um but what austin rivers said is 30 and he said this very casually i'm glad i didn't see the video before i actually made made the video myself because that would have been even more authoritative on the subject 30 he said

NBA players at least because all you got to do is catch the ball and run straight they could all transition seamlessly in the NFL and I guess my thing is what are the parameters of this exercise is it immediately is it do they get a year like we got to set some some guidelines here

I would think like within two years could be on the field on the roster is it is it do you have to make the team because that would seem near impossible yeah to me that's the biggest you know And Richard Jefferson, who I really like Richard Jefferson, and I've been on their pod, him and Channing Fries Pod.

Shout to Ali as well. But like, it's, uh, he saw my, my, my, my, at least some portion of my quote, put it out of his Instagram. Kind of took me out of context. They're rich, you know, but, uh, no problem. And his rebuttal was like there's a ton of players. Oh, actually didn't watch his rebuttal. I invited him on the pot.

He didn't come on. Richard. Come on, Cleetus. But here's the deal. Uh, like, we're talking. talking about could they play football like yeah if everything broke right and they played continuously through high school and they had all the skill development that we have and all that and they got the reps and they have the toughness and the conditioning for discomfort that's the

biggest thing for me is like even if you're an athlete you got to learn a new sport then you got to run out there and do training camp and training camp I think things thin's the herd pretty quickly like training camp for me I went on this big rant about it and I'll repeat what I said but all right let me paint you a picture like you're like one's shit you're like one's shoot around because that's kind of like and i understand some NBA players work hard their physical group of athletes it is a contact sport but my goal like senior said it best when he's like the contact sport versus collision sport and the dressing up of the sport is totally different the league is different the culture is different training camp so you're wondering when shoot around is it's

actually a full pad of practice at 8 a.m your breakfast is right here i got a bruise on my forehead it's going to start day one inside run the first period i used to be in the hotel room at night did I put my face in the fan today how big is my bruise you know like this it's just a different kind of you got to be a little twisted to go through an NFL training camp oh and it's 110 degrees and then after all this stuff where the coaches screaming at you you got some fucking coach from the south he's half your size he's looking up at you and he's fucking dog cussing you I heard an NFL coach tell a fucking player that his mother should have swallowed him like you're not ready for that I'm not saying anybody should be ready for that

I don't want to hear that. But like when you're the 50 second guy on the roster, buddy, like you might be like, yes, sir, that would have been nice. I kind of feel that way right now. Like that's the way the culture in the NFL works. And I'm not saying guys are like soft or pushovers for taking that kind of shit, but you don't have the same equity you have in the NBA. And that little fucking coach is way different than most of the NBA coaches.

And I put a little extra dip on the chip and I was like, hey, Austin, maybe I'll just go coach the Clippers or the Sixers. I was just, what I was saying was I was being sarcastic because it's just as ridiculous for me to say that as it is to say that some wing in the NBA is going to get a thousand yards as a receiver. So, you know, my whole point is it's a totally different sport. You talk about coaching, being coached. I understand there are guys like Tom Tibado in the NBA, but I've also seen a host of players basically running their teams, their respective organizations. It's not going to be like that. You're not going to fly first class.

You're not going to have four seats to yourself while you play Burey. You're going to be sandwiching there like a sarnine between Matt Pryor and fucking Lane Johnson and coach trying to play a card game. You know, you're going to be sleeping on a queen bed on the road with a roommate. Motherfuckers are 320 pounds sharing a room with another grown man. I used to have to go sleep in the bathtub because Cliff Ryan snored so loud. We have bed check. Some five-foot guy is going to come pound on your door at 11 p.m. There's no hit the road.

see what the club scene is. I want to go to the supper club because I'm in L.A. They're going to have you staying in fucking Encino, dude, in a holiday inn. One time I'm out in Southern California, I woke up in the morning to the sound of running water going to my bathroom. There's a piss leak coming from the ceiling, dude. You're not going to be at the four seasons every time you hit the road. Did you see Luca the other night trip over another gentleman's foot and then look at the

official like, where was the call there, man? Yeah, yeah. I think the mentality difference is one of the biggest hurdles to over time. Now, Luca, for me, like, I don't think he's athletic enough or the body type that could play in the NFL, but I think probably where he's from, what he's been through. Like, he's tough enough, maybe, had he played for a long time. I also think there are plenty of NBA players who are tough enough, they're competitive enough,

but the skill, you know, and the athletic fit. Just being athletic, and this is one of the things, if anything actually bothers me about this conversation, it's just the reductive nature of being like big, strong, fast, long, could play in the NFL, you know, because it is thought of as purely an athletic sport when it's a skill sport. You know, like anything else, Nate, you played for 20 years, you know, like, you play in the NFL as an edge rusher. You've taken tens of thousands of reps. You've seen a pass set tens of thousands of times. And within every pass rush, there's five to seven variables.

And whether it's your handwork or the whole thing, like, that is a skill. That's a different sport. And then on top of that, that's when you know the play. Now put the guy out in a nine, you got a big wing reaching you, 270-pound tight ends running sideline to sideline. You've got boot. You've got a base block. You kick down to a four-eye.

These linebackers have been out there sorting releases and fucking looking at alignments and splits and understanding zone and coverage. It's a totally different sport. And these guys have been playing it for 20 years. So the skill development, you can't skip that. And the discomfort, I think, is too big of a barrier. Having said that, I do think there are seven to ten guys maybe that I'll put on my NFL watch list. I tweeted Anthony Edwards and Jalen Brown.

I told them they're on my NFL watch list. There's a couple guys. I don't think it's the tall guys. I said this on my little ramp. Kevin O'Reynett get folded in half out in the slot. He knows that. All due respect. Stephen Adams, bad motherfucker, great athlete, great basketball player.

you put him a tackle he's going to get bull rushed it's a different sport so i'm looking at the guys that are explosive in that six foot two to six foot six range because another thing is and stop me if i'm just ranting too long here but basketball you know like we've had basketball players you name tony gonzalez you name Antonio gage you name they never named like fendiannabon or guys like that but they named these basketball players that may be played collegiately now we're doing revisionist history and saying that julius peppers was an NBA player or tony Gonzalez was an NBA player. That's not true. So what I'm saying is, yes, basketball athleticism can buy you a ticket, but you don't need to be an NBA player to prove the point. College basketball

has had plenty of guys who have left their game and said, oh, I'm going to go play in, like, use Becostan for peanuts, or I can play in the NFL, right? Because it's such an easy league. They're not doing it. It hasn't happened at a high click. So my point is, like, it's not about being tall. It's about being explosive. It's about being a football player. And I think there are some guys. Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham is another one, right? But there's, you know, there's countless guys that, you know, got scouted as possible crossover athletes who had those. I mean, Matt, give me your spiel on the combine. I had Matt and Nolan run some numbers because I think what you could look at is you could look at the NBA combine and you can look at the NFL

combine and see where the, where the crossover is in testing and try to build a profile for people that might be able to make it. Not to mention that the combine is inaccurate when it comes to like predicting an outcome in a career like there have been various studies on this thing we were reading an article in scientific uh oh no no oh i i love this publication i read it all the time i don't know why i can't remember but it was like inside science and they did this whole in in-depth dive into how predictive the combine is and it's not like it's just not so if it were about raw athleticism and measurables and numbers and testing because that's the only thing you can claim right we've already cut a bunch of guys who have NBA

athleticism. You know, Matt, you pointed out a couple guys that had NBA athleticism. I mean, like, there's a guy Tyree Jackson. He's a perfect example. My buddy who worked in, well, Nolan, who worked in personnel sent me this. Tyree Jackson is a good example. He was a quarterback. I think he played it maybe Buffalo or something. Six foot seven, two-fifty, ran a four-five-nine. That sounds like one of these these basketball players, right? Big guy that can guard the perimeter. He's long,

right this guy has a college football background too so he's a football player they say hey we want to make something out of this guy they change his position and he doesn't last him the NFL now explain to me why like a jack stole or some fucking stiff white guy no disrespect but i mean relative to what you think of an NBA athlete are taking your reps at tight end it's not just about raw athleticism it's about football you know what i mean saying do we think that the mental side of like a football playbook is way more complex than... Oh, for sure. For sure.

Here's a pick and roll. No offense. Making can't watch the NBA, he says, because there's not enough half-court sets. Nothing doing. There's nothing doing. There's probably 20 times more to learn.

Dan Orlovsky, I would, and I'm not being, I'm not exaggerating. Dan Orlovsky held up that Houston Texans playbook today and showed it online, and I don't think he was rebutting this. But here's another reason why I'd be really hard. Like, you want to play Y receiver.

You have to know all that. Oh, my God. You got to know all that. I'm not saying you're not smart enough. There's some brilliant cats in the NBA, but it's a totally new sport. And so not only do you have to find the spatial awareness, the handwork, the athleticism, the understanding, you've got to be tough, you've got to learn the playbook, you've got to get through camp. I just don't think it's happening at a high click.

But I'm up at midnight because I really like, no disrespect to Austin Rivers. I'm trying to engage in this mental exercise. I'm like trying to count sheep, and I'm fucking imagining Stephen Adams doing a pass set. Some guy named Precious from the Knicks. I'm watching his highlights. Yeah, I'm trying to see if he could maybe... He's too skinny. He's too skinny, right?

Like, there's a couple tall guys that are thick enough that could maybe play tight end. Like, bam, 69-260. Nasreed 6-9-2-6. Okay, so here's what I... Zion 6-85. Okay, so here would be my rebuttal. When I looked at these rosters,

anybody over 6-7, if they don't guard the perimeter, which Nasreed does, right? Like, he can guard a... He's versatile. Yeah, he's versatile. He's athletic enough. But when you're 6'9, you get a little too tall for me. In my opinion, you're a little too tall at 6.9.

Why doesn't Donald Parham have 100 touchdowns? You know what I mean? Right. It's not about, okay, Mike Evans, Equamania, St. Brown, and Alan Lazzard, all 6'5. There's another 6-5 receiver in the league, but he's not a big name. I can't remember his name. He's not. Yeah, okay, so he should be the biggest redstone threat in the history of the NFL.

But the whole point is, I just, name like four or five six five wire receivers those are the guys that have the measurables the length the vertical jumps by the way theverts aren't that much different i mean they are at the lower end if you take o line and d line out and you know some of these these thicker bodies if you look at the top the nfl combine actually has more outliers for like incredible jumping ability than the and you might say hey well why wouldn't you want to be six eight and jump like that well because then your center of gravity works against you in a certain zone i say okay i could look at that i could look at josh hart six four two 15 looks like he's shot out of a

gun he seems like he's really like got the tenacity to play football but i don't know if he can play football like that's a big leap of logic there are other six four two hundred fifteen pound guys in the nfl they test for 75 yards sprint we test for 40 yards dash but when you looked at that and tried to like compare the two which is hard to compare there's still faster guys in the nfl it's a different kind of twitch and uh my point about the wide receivers is they're all six five they all have NBA body types measurable they might have different verticals different 10 yard splits different three cones but if you cluster the that profile of athlete you get totally different outcomes each player's different they've had different success levels in their careers and they've had to

this is a ridiculous fucking argument but I wanted to fill some time like there's no way in my opinion 30 guys are going to make that switch. And I don't feel disrespected. I'm not enraged. I just love a good rant. You know what I mean? When I feel righteous about it, I love a good rant. And right here, I think we're right.

You know what I mean? I'm not saying they're not great athletes. 30 is way too many, obviously. I would agree that there's probably a more crossover from NBA. For sure. For sure. But also, I would say this, in handicapping this exercise as a basketball player,

you are ignoring the development over years, Cal like I'm not saying that first off I'm not saying that like we physically have calcification on our bones but we do but Adrian Peterson felt like he'd been at it for a while like there is a reason you can't as a grown man start colliding with people like that so first thing you'd have to reverse engineer and say hey if Macau Bridges grew up playing football and was good and kept going then maybe he'd have a shot okay well then if we're doing that then we should say what if you gave Miles Garrett a basketball at five and gave him like AAU kind of atmosphere. And maybe he did play.

And both their bodies would look totally different. Totally different. But I'll tell you something. You look at a high school picture of Trent Williams, six foot five. He looks like a grown man. He looks like he was born to play offensive line. You look at Drew Holiday, six foot five in high school. He looks like string bean.

It's just some guys were born to play football. They're just different. You pat a guy on the back. I said this talking about that Georgia tackle. mims i saw his back some picture of his back at the combine he was just standing there in street clothes and i was like i know what it feels to pat that guy on the bat he's built for war there is such a Kyle long is built for war you can't tell me that because of chase buttinger was six seven he's going to be able to do the same thing and i know it's baked into the the

claim that it's not the white guys we're talking about right but i would say this it's just a totally different game and some guys are built to play football i think and it's only gets worse. It only compounds when you play football your whole life. You're even more specialized. One guy that comes to mind, and I haven't heard his name that much in this argument, it's Charlie Ward. Charlie Ward. Charlie Ward was a Heisman trophy dominated college football and did not even have a prayer in the NFL. No, I mean, I'd say he was an all, I mean, and I've seen his name brought up, though, to strengthen the basketball argument, which is that, like, he could have played in the NFL. That's revisionist history. We don't know that. Like, we didn't know he

would have been maybe he'd have made a roster spot but when you're talking about like a guy just leaving another sport not even a two sports star i'd like to see it happen you know what i mean before you say hey 30 of them but he's a little i feel like he's a little different because a lot of the guys were talking about are tight end types yes right and you got this guy who's you know jalen sugs is an example i've heard jalen sugg's name because he played he was a really good quarterback in high school do you know how many really good quarterbacks in high school do not make the nfl do you You know how any really good quarterbacks in high school do not sniff the field in college? So all I'm saying is, like, just because a guy was a baller in high school, the biggest leap is a huge leap to college, and then there's like a colossal leap to the NFL.

And so you can't just project that. I'm a white guy, you know? Yeah. With a, uh, I did notice that. With like a comb over and a college degree and buttons on my shirt and khakis. Doesn't mean I can manage a hedge fund. Right. I can sell real estate.

I can't sell stocks, you know? That's an analogous argument. Are you sure? Have you tried it? I haven't. I haven't. I haven't been learned up. And here's another thing.

I went to, everybody knows somebody that's a freak and never played sports or never played football or never played basketball. We could do this with the general population. There's thousands of people walking around in the United States that could have played pro football. had they been more committed, had they been better, or had they even started, everybody knows a guy growing up that you're like, man, if he did just fucking,

but he just likes hanging out or playing video games or something. So I could make this claim for any broad swath of the population. You guys are just more athletic, so it feels easier, but it's not automatic. Tallest Hall of Fame receiver is now Calvin Johnson at 6.5. It was Randy Moss at 6'4 for a little while. Nobody taller. By the way, there's a guy that you could make a case for a cop would be Harold Carmichael. Six-eight.

Yeah, six-foot-eight. But yeah, anyways. Hey, before you're done, though, I thought it was really interesting. You pulled some names of some basketball players that you thought fit the profile athletically of football players from that combine testing. Yeah, for like skill position. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot, although most of them aren't really playing in the NBA or they're out of the league.

like Josho Kochi. Which strengthens my stance, which is that it's not that you're in the NBA, it's that you're athletic. Yeah. The one guy that should try to switch over is Keon Johnson. He had a 48-inch vertical leap, like a 4-340 plays in the G League. Right. Right.

And by the way, we have Devin Funches, which I mentioned earlier. There's that, it's not natural to run full speed into another human being. And I know we touched on that. It's just you can't switch that on and off. You can't. I can tell you because I know it from experience. Once I retired, I've said this before, but it is the truest thing I learned in retirement,

which is like when I was in it, I didn't know how crazy it was. And now that I am sitting still and no one's holding a gun to my head every day to like do this with another grown man, I realized how crazy it was. Like it was fucking nuts. I remember getting hurt for the first time in my career

and standing on the sideline watching a game. I've been Minneapolis. And Lamarcus Joyner, I've talked about this in the show, blew up Teddy Bridgewater. And I was like, I do this. Like the thump that I heard, you want to, hey, Austin Rivers, go watch a pro football game on the sideline. I'm telling you, because even if you do it your whole life, being a spectator, it creates real perspective. And for me, it's like, I could never go back. Once I turned that switch off, I could never go back.

I tried one time, almost came back. But after that was done, like right here. sitting on the couch my my mental makeup you have to build that over years you have to and you can't get off the treadmill once you get off the treadmill you can't get back on at 15 miles an hour so kiss tracks ready yeah here we go back to back to back you all know who chris vernon is all right here we go verno i like your tempo tony fee now where he be now that's your IP my be respect geocon intent. It makes me happy. And that's what's going on at Augusta. It's going on at Augusta. I just can't help myself. You is top shelf. These rhymes be basic. If my brain were eyes,

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You run the kiss track and then he's returning. Now he's on seven more. Yeah. It's okay. A little interlude, huh? All right. So we've got Denard Wilson, who is the defensive coordinator of the Titans,

and I think he's going to have some fun. Like, he's got a fun group. That team is starting to stack up some really good players. Here's a, if Will Levis is the top 15 quarterback, and he can stay that way. They're going to be in some games, and they are going to be playing in January.

I don't know about this year, but they're moving in the right direction. So, DeNard's a big part of that. Wanting to get him on the show. Here he is. Stick around for Mailbag afterwards. Hey, y'all. Green Light has official merch,

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or GMs from this school on, or really anybody from this school on, but I want to introduce the first Maryland tarapen I've had in a while. Dinard Wilson, the new defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans. What's up, dude? What's going on, Chris?

You know, you already threw out the hate already, talking about Maryland. You know, Burlin. I was going to take a dig at you, you and your Virginia Titans, man. Dude, it is good to see you.

It's good to see you in the big office where, you know, you were just giving me the rundown. What's the, most exciting thing. Like what's what when you hear that you're going to be you're going to have the freedom to do a lot more to call plays to see every level of defense. What's the most excited you are about a particular area that you didn't get to do until now? Well it's just the for me it's like the organizational part about it. You know, hiring the coaches getting them in here, getting everybody on the same page, you know, because it's all about the chemistry from the coaching standpoint. And then

when the chemistry from the coaching standpoint is on par, it transfers down to the players. So the organization being, you know, putting in the scheme that I want to put in, doing the things that I want to do from that standpoint, that's been the greatest joy right now. What do you think, like what kind, I know what kind of coach you are, but is something going to change? Are you the same guy just with more authority? Yeah, I'm the same guy. You know, I'm an energetic guy. I still demanding.

I still like to mix it up. You know, the first couple weeks out, you know, it was kind of funny because as a position coach, you go your whole career, you know, working on your craft, being with the players day in and day out on the field. Then as a coordinator, now you have the position coach that's doing that. So you master your craft. Then all of a sudden, when you can become a coordinator, it kind of goes away. Yeah. Right. So for me, it's been, I've been able to still touch them.

So I get in the drills. You know, of course, my eyes are going to go to the DPs first. But I'll go down there with the linebackers and I'll put my hands on them and, you know, try to do some of the drills with them and demonstrate. So I'm trying to stay true to my roots that way so I don't get too far removed from it. Right. Like you probably missed that a little bit, mixing it up and being in there holding the pads. Yeah, I mean, it's different. You know, obviously being a coordinator in front of the room, it's different from being a position coach in the room with your players on a daily basis.

So, you know, maneuvering through that. and still being who I am. You know, I'm still working through that, but it's been fun. It's been a fun journey thus far. So we got Frank Bush. Yeah, my guy. Yes, dude. This is awesome.

Okay, so, you know, me and Dinar have some crossover. And so if I reference anything in this podcast that sounds like he's got no background, it's probably just a shared experience. But Frank Bush, obviously, linebacker coach, me and him go back. What do you think is the key to putting together, a staff. Like when you have that ability and now it's time, have you dreamed about that for a while? Like, have you played that game in your head? And now it's like it's here. Yeah. So even when I was a young coach when I was with Rams, you know, Frank Bush was one of my biggest coaching mentors. And he found,

you know, being around him, he admired certain things about me. And he thought that, and he even talked about it then, you're going to be in this position. Right. And he didn't know when and I didn't know when. But we always talk about it. If I get the opportunity, to get a job, the first guy I'm going to hire is Frank Bush. Right? And I did that because his wealth of knowledge, you know how he is with the players. You know, he's always cool, calm and collected. And he's thorough when it comes to football.

So getting him was like a priority for me. But in terms of the other coaches, a lot of the coaches already had crossover with. Went and got Tracy Rocker, who was in Philadelphia with me. Steve Jackson is one of the DB coaches. Steve Jackson actually coached me and was an assistant for me when I was with the Jets. And some of the guys that was already here, like Chris Harris already knew about him, Chris Harris was a player when I was a scout in Chicago. So it was people that I've already had relationships with and I already know the quality of work that they have.

So that was a great thing. And I thought about that for years in terms of how would I put the staff together. Wow, yeah. you do see some names. I'm getting to the age now where my friends are getting hired and you look at the staffs. You're like, I know exactly who that is or that guy played against me. You know, when it comes to meetings, are you, you know, when it's time to stand up and address the room, like, are you more Greg Williams, Todd Bowles, Mike McDonald, or are you more Gannon? Like, where do you take some of, is it? I can see you being a little Gregish. You know who trained me, right? So I spent most of my years and my

younger years with Greg. Yep. So when I'm in front of the room, I control the room. We're going to talk about culture. Everything's, you know, everything's going to be put out in front, you know. I'm a firm believer and you don't attack people. You attack the behaviors. So I don't care who you are in the room.

If you're not doing what you're supposed to do, it will be said. You know, it's funny, like being here with Jeff Simmons, right? Jeff comes out of me and says, damn, Dee, you're not going to sugarcoat anything. And that's who I am. That's me naturally. And I'm not going to lose that because I'm in a different position. But probably the greatest influence is Greg.

And you know how Greg is when he gets in front of him. Yeah, well, it builds trust because, you know, I used to like the fact that Greg would shoot me straight. And I was, you know, one of the guys on that defense. But he wasn't going to sugarcoat it, as you put it. And so you can trust what he says. Yeah. And then, like, when you see.

a coordinator jumping down Jeff Simmons's throat you know like after he's out of his gap you know then you're going to feel like okay I'll take that coaching too because he's taking it. Right everybody if you're correcting the best players

and they respect you and understand why you're doing it most of the other guys start to follow and the guys that you're correcting the leaders in the room the better players they police the other guys as well so they understand the expectations that you're setting for,

they understand what you're trying to get accomplished. So when the younger guys fall out of line, or they're not doing it correctly, they start to correct them. So it's building trust, building accountability within the room. And, you know, that's the way I go about every day, you know, trying to build, build the relationships and having a team that's connected.

When I was in Philly, you guys asked older guys to get up and talk about during the playoffs, what we learned. And I always thought it was funny because I was like, man, I just started taking classes like a year ago. But I'll give you my two cents. I didn't win a lot in St. Louis. We didn't win a lot in St. Louis. But you learned some things quick, you know, making runs.

And you've been a part of some really great teams. And I kind of wonder if I were to put you on the spot and be like, all right, coach, now you tell me what you've learned in these Super Bowl runs or these deep playoff runs in Baltimore and Philly? like what would you tell guys about crunch time from December on? Well, first of all, it's technique and fundamental time. Like when you get late into the playoffs, like everything is scheme related early on, but everybody goes to the meat and potatoes. So you have to be thorough with your technique. Where are my eyes at?

Where are my hand placing my first steps? And you leave no stone unturn, right? A lot of times when you get in the playoffs, you minimize what you do from a scheme standpoint. because you allow the players to play faster. And then obviously, being on the last couple of teams I have, you've got to have great quarterbacks as well. You know, being around Jalen in the run we made in the Super Bowl, and then being around Lamar, those guys are game changers.

So they give you an opportunity to win every time you line up and play. Yeah, no question. When you look at this defense, you got it looks like you're going to, are you going to run like an odd front probably? You'll see. Okay. You've said aggressive, though. Yeah.

I've heard you use that word. What is aggressive from a player makeup standpoint, but also schematically, like, finding that balance. When you say aggressive, to me, aggressive is a mindset. Mindset. You know, everything about football and being an elite defense or elite offense and attacking defense, it's about the mindset. It's when you line up, are you willing to play 60 plus minutes and try. try to break the wheel of your opponent. And within doing that, you can be aggressive and still play zone coverage, but it's how you teach in the front to get off the ball, right? You can be

aggressive when you have timely sim pressures. You can be aggressive when you bring four or five to a side. So in terms of the scheme standpoint, I'll be selective when I blitz, you know, but it's going to be for me trying to do it in the right situations. And then it also goes back to your team, right? Who do you have? Like, if you have a dominant front, You don't need to bring a lot of pressure because they can affect the game by affecting the quarterback. So for me, the aggression is all the mindset. And that's what we're trying to steal in these guys is the mindset. Are you willing to do whatever it takes to win without hurting the team?

And also outside of mindset, I would think schematically, aggression is not limited to how many people you bring. Right. You know, there are aggressive coverages. There are aggressive decisions behind the rush that you can make, right? Yes. You play trap coverage. You can do all sorts of stuff, wrinkles that you throw in that some people might think are aggressive,

but they're how you do things. And it also is how you coach the back end. Yeah. Right? Because if they're aggressive attaching to routes, when that quarterback back foot hits and those guys are connected at the top of the route, it causes a hesitation to take a time.

So the aggression and coverage allows the D-line, that fraction of time to put the quarterback down or alter the past. So just like you said, It's a mixture of how you do it. You know, I'm not going to get in too much a scheme on what I'm going to do. But we're going to have an aggressive mindset. And you heard this before. We're going to live on the edge.

We're going to play on the edge, right? And we're going to defend every blade of grass when we line up. And then we're not going to apologize for competing. And we're not going to apologize for competing. So I look at Legerious Need, and I think that's an aggressive football player. He's one of my favorite players in the league because every, negative stereotype of a corner and how he might play on the field and how he might operate. He just he just shatters it.

I mean, he's got a D-Line mentality. I heard you, I like this acronym now. Dog, D-A-W-G, disciplined assholes with grit. Is he like, is he pretty much on top of list there? He's the prototypical one. Yeah. Like, I mean, how many corners do you find that can run that can cover? And he's going to line up against the best receivers in the national.

football league. You watch him in Kansas City, it doesn't matter who he's going against, and he's going to compete. You might get him, but he's coming back at you even harder. So, you know, being able to get him, and even Cheeto as well, you know, he's another corner that's aggressive, a tough-minded guy. So when you line up against receivers in the league, you know you got guys that's going to battle that's not going to waver. They're not going to be afraid of the competition. And that allows you to have that aggressive mindset. So I'm excited about Legerius. He's a hell of a guy. He's very smart. He takes coaching. And he's had a lot of success. I mean, two years in a row, he got me out to playoffs and obviously in the Super Bowl.

So it's good to get him on my team. He made some big plays on the stretch. Is there one play that when you watched him make it over the last year or two where you're like, you're thinking in your meeting room, boy, it'd be nice to coach that guy. I have one in mind, but what's your Legerius? It's the play in the A. It's the play in the A. championship game last year when Zay Flowers reach out, reaches out on the goal line. And you see a DB aggressively attack the ball. And it wasn't just good enough to tackle a guy. He got the ball off of them.

And in hindsight, if you look back at it, if we score that touchdown, maybe the momentum is kind of on our side. Oh, I agree. He deflated the momentum with that one play. And it's just not good enough to make the tackle. it's even better because it's all 11 versus the ball. Yeah. And as long as we get the ball off of you, that's what, that's what matter.

And he made a hell of a player that changed the trajectory of the game. I always think about that Tyreek Hill Jam. Yeah, that just to me in that play, like encapsulated in that play is his aggression, his competitiveness, and also his length. Yes. You know, and another to the physicality, you know, I love this seeing a corner come down and tackle. And they had two of them there, right? McDuffie.

was a stud in the box and, you know, and you've got that. And I just, I think it fits the pieces there. I mean, because we start up front when I think of the biggest bully in the league, and I mean this in a really good way, it's like Jeffrey Simmons. Yes. And how excited are you to kind of take that out of the box? Hey, man, you know, just coming here, when you see Jeff play, first of all, I mean, he can dominate, he can dominate double teams.

He dominates one-on-ones. but the best thing you see when he comes down the line. Like his motor is relentless, and he can affect the game coming off the edge, you know, and, man, putting the other pieces around him, you know, the forced one-on-ones, man, I'm excited about Jeff. And then just being around Jeff, the person, the leader, the man, man, when you meet him and you're around him, you get super excited

because what you see on film is the same thing. you see as a person. And I just love being around him. Yeah, he would, I mean, like, he would have been a nice cultural fit, I feel like, in Jeff Fisher days. Yes. I mean, it's typical. It's typical.

He's a old school Jeff Fisher, D. Lyman. Yes. Yep. Yep. We would have liked having him in that fucking room. That guy can play. We had all of those other DLimon, including yourself. I know, but having Simmons would have made everybody's job even easier.

Yeah. So how about sweat, this young kid, right? You draft the big fella. How important is it to have? Not saying you're going to be running an odd front, but if you do have to have a zero nose, how huge is that, have that one guy who can play blocks up and down the line,

can absorb double teams? And you know how it is. You know, the centers in the league are probably the smaller guys on the offense line. And when you've got a massive guy like that that's explosive that can just get vertical knockback and play stone technique as a zero nose, is hard. And if he's playing the shade, he's automatically forcing the double team, right?

So now if he's forcing the double team and now you're freeing up Jeffrey to get one-on-ones. So it's a benefit of having him. And then look, sweat. He's a big man, but he's a big athletic man. All right. You know, I've been around a lot of really good D-Lyman in the last couple years, especially being in Baltimore and then being with all those guys in Philly. And this guy, you know, if he, if he, if he, maximizes his talent in terms of athleticism, he's going to get better and better and better. And we just can't wait to get our hands on him. You know, Tracy Rocker, our D-Line coach, he's excited over the last couple years.

He's coach Fletcher, Javon Hardgrave, Jalen Carter, and all those guys. And, you know, he's another piece that kind of fits into what those players are. Yeah. And I think having an Arden Key is really important, too. Yes. Arden is, man. Let me tell you. Arden makes you smile every day.

I don't know if you had the benefit of being around him. No, I've never been. But he's a very energetic guy. You know, every day is he's going to make you laugh. But when he comes out to work, he goes 100 miles per hour. And he has freakish talent, you know, and he's all in. So I'm excited when we get the pads on. And then as we go through OTAs and seeing these guys goddamn perform.

Well, how about linebackers? Because, you know, it's going to be. I still think linebackers one of the most important positions in the league. And especially the way offenses are running things now, having guys in the middle with good eyes and good lateral speed.

What do you see in Cedric Gray and Murray like bringing those guys in through the draft and free agency? Well, I think like, like, all right, going to get Kenneth in free agency, you know, when he came out of school, you know, highly touted.

He has all the size in the athleticism. We're excited about him. You know, we think that, you know, our biggest thing with Kenneth is letting him cut it loose. You know, I don't want him overthinking. I just want him to play. Play the way he played in college, free him up and let him just go run and be the best athlete he can be. And then obviously, you know, I trust Frank Bush and his coaching.

Right. You know, and that's huge, that's huge, too. Cedric coming in here, he's been a Mike linebacker. you know, he's ran the defense. He's energetic. He's downhill. He's physical. He's tough.

Jack Gibbons, we can't sleep on him as well. Jack came in and played his butt off last year, given the opportunity that he was given. And right now, all of them, obviously, Cedric's coming in a day. And it's numerous guys in that room that's getting better. And we'll see how the competitions unfold as we start to progress and go forward. And ultimately, it's about putting the best. 11 on the field. So all these guys will be giving opportunities. Nothing's given. And every day,

you got to prove and re-prove yourself. So the guy that proves itself to be the best version of yourself on the day to basis, there's a guy that's going to play. Who is a guy in the AFC North that kept y'all up at night? Oh, Joe, Joe Burrell. You know, because when Joe's, when Joe's on, and obviously he was, he was injured. But Joe's a hell of a, he's a hell of a court. quarterback. You know, that whole division is tough. It is. I mean, like the Baltimore Pittsburgh rivalry is something I've never seen before, you know, and I've been in multiple divisions. I've been in the old school black and blue division with the Chicago Bears, you know, being in the division with Philly and Dallas and everything. The Pittsburgh Baltimore rival

is totally different. Yeah. You know, the first thing they say, you're not a true raven into. you beat the Steelers. Right? So, I mean, that's huge. And it doesn't matter, like, how good the team is, what's your record? It's when you line up against the Steelers or Baltimore, it is a bloodbath. Yeah. And, I mean, it's old school football.

And I love it. Speaking of Joe, your head coach, Coach Callahan, coming from Centsy, probably tell you a lot about what makes that guy tick, but you also have a pretty exciting quarterback that you're going to get to practice against and all that. And I think Will Levis obviously got slept on on draft day. But I also think people are sleeping on Will a little bit right now. Like you hear the Titans are making all these moves and you guys are as active as anybody. And some people might be like, well, what about the quarterback? Well, the quarterback looked pretty good last year. And you give them

some weapons, you know, like what have you heard? What do you see with Will Levis? Well, obviously, like, you know, right now we're not competing against them. It's normally the offense and defense separate. But just being here, first of all, he's a big man. When I first met him, I didn't know he was big as he was. But he's a guy that's always in our offensive coordinator or quarterback coach room. You know, he's searching for all the answers. And, you know, I'll peek over there early on with my special teams.

And you see that ball come off his hand. It has velocity and pop. So, yeah, you put the weapons around him. I think that Rand Carthorne and Coach Callahan did a great job with the acquisitions. You know, we have good running backs now that provide versatility. Obviously, you go and you have the receivers that we have right now. You know, it's just giving Will the best opportunity to go out there and be and play to his potential. So I'm excited to see it.

I'm excited to compete against them. And, you know, we'll throw some things at them to make them better from looks and coverages. So it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun going against him. And I think the sky's the limit for the young man. This is what I never really asked to decontinated. Do you ever feel like you're throwing too much at a quarterback or something that's like you're getting ready for a game

and you could take him out of his zone a little bit because you guys are practicing so well or throwing so many things at him? Like, is there ever a conversation like, hey, we should probably not throw the kitchen sink at this guy today, even if we're trying to get better. If it's good on good, we want to give him some versatility of looks. or does most of that happen in training camp where you're like, hey, I'm just going to dump the whole playbook on this kid. And then once you get into the season, can you tailor what you guys do to keep things kind of like stable for that guy?

Right. Well, you know, that's all predicated on the head coach on. Yeah. You know, if they say, hey, that's pullback. Let's have more more coverages here. But obviously from scripting, offense coordinator head coach, they can structure it for the court of, you know, to not pressure and do things like that. you know, I'm from the school, like you say, of Greg Williams, who's from the school to Buddy Ryan, from a defensive standpoint, you throw everything at the defense, just like

we used to do. Yeah. And you throw it at them and you go and you see what sticks for the defense. Right. Because obviously, you know, we want Will to have success, but we also have to get the defensive players prepared and with all the blitz patterns and coverages and the matches to do that as well. So for me, we're going to have an installation.

You know, we're going to get good at the small things. Detail it out. And then as we go, we just layer and layer and layer. And then by that time, we'll be able to handle anything. You know, he has great coaches over there. So I'm not worried about that. There's some great coaches in this building. No question.

And when you script stuff, and you've noticed this probably, like, is the game changed? And like there's less training camp and stuff. Like when I got in league, it was two days, all that stuff. Yeah. Walk to school, six miles uphill in the snow. all that bullshit but now it's easy relatively speaking and you look at it and i know some positions take longer as rookies to come on and i'm sure you've kind of built up uh you know kind of like a way of doing things where you're like okay this position group is going to need a little bit more help

you know in camp that rook this rookie is going to need more help because he's a db or nickel or whatever it is which positions have a harder time transitioning and which ones are you like i can throw this guy in right away or does it just depend on the player makeup? I think it's a little bit of the player makeup, but then also sometimes it's the DBs, it's the back end because there's so many nuances in the back end. And the game, the pressure of playing in the secondary is so high because we know if the ball goes over your head, you don't have no chance to win. Yeah, that's it.

So when you're playing multiple coverages or you doing certain things, you know, they have to have a lot of time on task to be able to execute it. But then that also goes back to the thought process of what do we have going in for the day? The position coaches drills should reflect the insult. So now before the players go in and compete against the offense, they've already done certain things to freshen up, you know, what they need to do. And then when we go and compete, they've already seen it or they already did it.

And then the big thing with the secondary is, And I believe this as a philosophy, you can mess with Russian coverage, but you don't mess with secondary. So once the rules are set, there's no chasing goals for me. So the rules will be a rules, and now you have to play routes and combinations through the rules that you already have. Because when you start to change rules and coverages, that's when you have mishaps. Right, because you're like, hey, this key is the same key. Well, you told me this, but now I'm seeing this key and it's something else. And that's to me the key to a really good defensive coordinator is like any question I ask you, you got to be able to tell me the why. And there has to be a why.

Yeah. You know, like there can't be any dead end questions. I used to be annoying as shit to Greg because I used to walk out of the D-line room. If Woff couldn't tell you the answer, I'd be like, well, I'm going to Greg. Because not because I'm fucking trying to suck up to Greg, but I don't want to be the guy that thought, hey, we had a free release here. We had a rule. And now Darren Spro is running down the sideline. But in this situation, I'm supposed to pee. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think someone was a little bit different. The biggest thing is you eliminate the gray. The gray, exactly.

Because you can't, football is black and white. Yep. And if you, if you create gray and you're saying, hey, you know, versus this team, this might happen and we're going to do this, guess what? It starts to run over. And then bad things happen. Your rules are your rules. You set your rules.

All right. Now, you set your rules and you live by your rules. And if you have to adjust, which is this game is about. out, you adjust, but that's the new way you're going to do it. And you're going to move forward that way. And, you know, for me, it's all about eliminating the gray. And the hardest thing is you've got now multiple position groups that all are trying to work off the same rules and there's varying degrees of like knowledge, right? Like a guy in the front's not going to know everything about what's going on behind them, but some of those keys overlap and some of the ways the Russian coverage

works together. And if they're being taught one thing in a room and we're being taught something ever so slightly different in D-Lond room, that can blow up a defense. I can ball up a game, you know, and so that's the importance of getting on the same page. Well, you know, for me coming in this year, especially, you know, having a new staff and being a first-time de-coordinator, everything we put in, I installed it. And I wanted them to hear me say it first. How are we going to do it? And now the coaches are still writing notes.

And when they go in the room, it's having one message. and many voices. Yeah. So that's how we're going about it right now. Everybody's on the same page. But the players going to hear me say it first, so there is no grain. All right?

And then when the coaches go in there, they just reiterate the message. And, you know, that's how we're trying to stay, stay, you know, connected, stay on the same page and eliminate the grain. Are you still pacing when you install and talk? Yeah. You still pace around the room?

I'm all over the place. Yeah, so like, that actually, that keeps players up in meetings. like i got to follow him too man like he he might be looking to be so yeah i'm all over the place i was just wondering uh last question about um about the uh about the titans experience so far was like how cool was it i presume you got the call from ran first but like ran and you crossing over and now being able to work together again that's one of the things people don't realize is guys will say hey if i ever if i ever make it

I'm bringing you with me or like. Yeah. And then to get that call and be like, hey, he was telling the truth. How cool was that? Oh, it was great. You know, when we were young, we, in St. Louis, we always talked about, you know, progressing through the profession and had a lot of mutual respect. So going through this process, obviously the process was crazy for me.

I had, you know, multiple interests from other teams. But to get the call from Rand, get the call from Cali and, and being able to meet Cali and sit down with Rand and see the direction in which they wanted to go. And the things that I believe in, we just like all mutually aligned. And for me, after coming here and getting a face-to-face, you know, after we were eliminated in the AFC championship game, to me, it was a no-brainer. It's just I felt at home. I have so many connections to Tennessee because of all the coaches that we were around in St. Louis. So you already knew about, you know, the Titans and the Houston Oilers. So it was just, man,

it was a dream come true and just fortunate, you know, two guys did it the right way. And both guys got an opportunity. And now it's time for us to make the best of our opportunity. Last question. I'm going to let Coach Wilson go. This is one that's a really important question. First off, are you an NBA fan? I think we've talked about the NBA. Man, I love the NBA. So let me ask you this. How many, if you could hold a combine for just the Tennessee Titans, in the wake of the Austin River's comments that 30 NBA players or more

could seamlessly make the transition to the NFL, do you think it's more or less than 30 in which position kind of groups would you be looking at? It's probably less than 30. I agree. Okay, because of going back to just the game, the physicality of the game. That dog acronym. Yeah, yeah. But now, I mean, from an athlete standpoint, you know,

you would think the guys could end up playing tight in, which has happened in the league over the years. But a lot of those guys didn't play in the NBA. So to me, it's like, shit, we should have more college basketball players. Probably should. Probably should. I mean, but you look at Ant Man. I mean, he looks like a football player.

Yeah, he's on my left. And he plays basketball like a football player. And let me tell you something. these playoffs i've loved watching that that young man play i mean he's he's excited i mean he's he's gonna be the face of the NBA soon but you can't be throwing tall like wings out there they're gonna get they're gonna get folded i said the other day i was like bob sanders would like he'd be taking a leg with him yeah it's a whole different it's a whole different game athletic if if it was a spatial game with all of the tackling and physicality you know i'll say yes it'd be it'd be

might be more, but I think it's to be a select few that can actually line up and dominate it in a football game. Yeah, the height thing's a little bit overrated. It starts working against you. It works again because you can't bend. I got another one with Russell Westbrook. I think he could probably play. Yeah, but Austin Rivers is tripping.

Austin Rivers, when they have us out there in that bowl in our city and it's 120 degrees, they're going back inside, dude. And remember that smell out there? The smell, dude. The burning trash. I'm surprised we're okay, dude. We're real success stories. I got a podcast and you're a D-Coronator.

We weren't even supposed to make it this far. No, no, no. Yeah, that was, hey, we didn't win a lot of games, but that was some fun times. We had fun, man. And it wasn't, I'm not, you know, when you say, hey, we didn't win a lot of games and we had fun? Some fans will be like, well, isn't that all it's about? Sometimes you don't have a choice and shit happens. Yeah.

But I always say this, when you go through hard times, you find out a lot about the people around you and that D-line room that we had. I just, I talked to those guys today. We got a group text. Those are friendships the last lifetime because it wasn't easy. You know what I mean? No, it wasn't easy. And then from a coaching standpoint, just to reiterate what you said, we lost because

a lot of certain things happened. And we had an outstanding defense. But as a coach, it made me even better to go through the hardships because you know how it is. when things get tough, some people fold. And as a coach, you had to learn how to coach through the adversity and the losing aspect, and you don't change who you are. You double down on your core values and your principles.

And whenever hardships come up now, you know, it's not about reacting to it. You just adjust. Hey, put this fucking thing on the wall. Adversity is an opportunity, coach. Yes, it is. You know what I mean? Yes, it is. And that's, I think we're saying the same thing, which is just like, hey, you go out there to win, but sometimes the card you're dealt. That's the thing about an NFL season. In some of those years, they don't stop the fight. No one's coming at halftime when you're down three touchdowns or you've had to run back out there for a sudden change four times and being like, okay, we'll just play next week. You're going to have to sit in four minute mode for now an hour. You know, we're going to find out.

Yeah, yeah, you find out, you find out who the war dandies are for sure. That's a old G-dub. Yeah. All right. Well, fuck yeah. This is awesome. I'm so happy for you, man. I'm pulling for you guys.

Can't wait to watch you play. And congrats. I appreciate you, Chris, man. Good to hear from you. Good to see you, bro. Macon, you wanted to know about the NHL. There's a new team in Utah. And I'll read the information that you put in.

But Utah has given fans 20 choices to vote on for their franchise's new name. According to a survey sent out, Wednesday by Smith Entertainment Group. The options to choose from are. All right let me stop you right there. Free association, okay? Let's go around the room. What do you think of when you hear Frost?

Gatorade. Correct. Gatorade. When I hear Gatorade? For sure. Or Jack. Oh, Frost. Like Christmas.

Jack Frost. Okay. Nice. I was going to say Frost to the Snowman. Okay, good. I like that. What about ice? I'm thirsty.

I also think Gatorade. vanilla meth you really think about vanilla ice vanilla ice when I think ice Really? Yeah Meth

Yeah meth Okay And you know what I watch a lot of cop shows I think also in Utah There's a big meth problem Okay

Is it under control Probably everywhere Miceing That's what anywhere Anywhere remote There's a meth problem Because it smells when you cook You're right cowboy

We should have read them all first I'll power through them Frost ice Powder mountaineers freeze, mammoth, black diamonds, blast, caribou, blizzard, swarm, hive, outlaws, Yeti, squall, fury, glaciers, canyons, venom, and H.C., which stands for Hockey Club. They're doing a commander's thing. Black diamond squalls might go hard. Why not the arches? There's a lot of arches in Utah. That's a great one. Right? Yeah. Are there? Yeah. I'm national

Can you imagine their logo if it was a big red arch and they had like arches and like in like a motown? I got to confess something. I don't like arches. You don't like arches. I don't like arches either. I've never liked an arch. Yeah, but this is your natural arches. These aren't arched arches.

I know. I know. I know, which makes them better. Okay. All right. So frost ice powder blast, I think of Gatorade for all those. I think a dairy queen. Oh, for sure.

Blizzard is dairy queen. Mountaineers is West Virginia That's out Yeah and that's more Appalachian It's not Freeze is the guy who runs fast At a Braves game

And I think about Mr. Freeze Arnold Schwarzenegger Let's kick ice They can say let's kick ice Every time they take the ice That's very good Hive Beyonce right

You can't name a team After a prehistoric animal Like Wully Mammett Sabers Savors worked out Well the saver No I always get to mixed up, not the sabers. The sabers are actually...

Nashville predators. Predators. Isn't that fucking confusing? To you, it is. Yes. That's cap. Hey, that wasn't nice. No, I didn't know how else to say it. Honestly is the best policy. Canyons, I think of Grand. Grand Canyons. That's not Utah. It's Arizona. Yeah. Is this entertaining? I'm not sure, but I would land on Caribou. Caribu is one of the first animals I ever learned about.

about ever. Caraboo? Yes. The Utah caribou? The boo. I don't like this. I don't like Utah. Yeah.

Boo. And they're booing all the time. I don't know. No, boo is like you can swing it into a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mean the caribou. Utah caribou.

Yeah. I'm coming around in the caribou. I think plural is caribou, by the way. You're not doing black. You're right. Yeah. There's, why not?

Me no good English. It's skiing. It's another sport. Yeti. Yeti, that's a thermis. Yeti's got the brand. recognition. I don't hate outlaws, but like, it's kind of like minor league hockey. Utah Outlaw sounds like a kiss trap.

Utah Outlaw. Utah powder. Remember that movie powder? I do. You got a little powder going a little bit. So do we settle on one name? So we settled on Caribou? I like Caraboo.

All right. So we've just decided for the new Utah. He got struck by lightning like powder. He got struck by lightning. Superpowers. That's what happened to powder. I remember the film, sort of. Yeah, we watched on one of those rolling Vs. Yeah. I don't know what the message was.

I don't remember either. Don't mean to albino people. They get hit by lightning. Don't, yeah, don't bullying. There was a poll of 2,000 people, a majority, a significant majority, said that they, that you can expect to feel out of touch by the age of 39. Bro. Recently had a 39-year-old.

Yes. turn 39 and earlier today I don't want to out your age backy but I'm 44 you were talking about Cap earlier and you didn't know what capital No quote I still don't know what you guys been saying it What the fuck is it about 39 dude

It's like in the last calendar year I was like you know what you guys got it I like you young people you got it I'm I'm old and I don't I don't have my finger on the pulse I can barely do this podcast anymore honestly I feel like if you looked at podcast most of them probably drop off at 39. We did this a couple of days ago,

but there's no feeling quite like doing a Google search to find out where to locate the DMs on your Instagram page. No question. No question. Asking a stranger how to use your Apple wallet. I've done that before. It's like, the times are changing. Bob Dylan was right.

Dude. Fucking PayPal. What's PayPal? Smart TV. I've never even downloaded the nap. You better learn this now. This is why when we get older, we get preyed on for scam. No, you're right. We don't know. You got to know a little bit about some of this stuff.

Insurance fraud. Hey, that ain't that ain't cap, man. That ain't cap. I'm always looking on the side of the road to see if there's somebody just speed up because they can't sue you if they didn't make it. Well, honestly, people who are doing insurance fraud running in front of vehicles should probably parent. No, I'm not, I'm not saying that. I'm just talking about that. Yeah, what's right is right. Taking your information, you asking people how to use certain apps. There's some rookie quarterbacks that, you know, just got drafted. They're heading to their teams. How would you coach those rookie quarterbacks on their gifts to position groups? I just had to be to like, you know, the, the customs, you know, the social customs, like some dues and notes. I would say

with Kirk Cousins, don't throw a party, right? I heard he, Colt McCoy threw a party in Washington the same night that Kirk Cousins threw a party in Washington. And it was all but confirmed when we had Colt McCoy on. He grinned when I brought up the topic. But yeah, Michael Pennix, just don't throw a party of any sort. Like, leave that to Kirk. He's the party guy. Stay out of the strip clubs.

I don't think quarterbacks field generals in strip clubs ever goes well. I don't think it's like a good look. What? Yeah, no, no. I don't think so. What? Why not? Leave that to the fucking the barbarians like us.

But what if I'm being like real private about it? That's what I said. Bring the strip club to you. That's what I think. Yeah, if you're Michael Pennix, land is cheap down there. You probably have one of those Evander Holyfield mansions, the Rick Ross mansions on a, you know, on like a new CBA deal. You can still get that in Atlanta.

Bring the strippers to you. Do a tip drill party. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. What? Just a tip drill? Tip drill. Yeah.

Don't be in the strip club I just think when a quarterback's in a strip club You're like oh that's the guy who's check check check Blaster like It's like that's like ah That's for us To the club I can't go to the club

You go to the club But Atlanta like the club like the strip clubs Is the club It's like the social club People go to their eat to hang out They don't know Penix you like blues You like the blues

Like go to the north side tavern It's a lot of fun I just don't think quarterbacks should be in the strip club If Josh Allen was in a strip club, we'd be freaking out. Yeah, it's not my quarterback. Josh Allen in strip club. Bad leader.

He's horny. He's forcing the ball. Yep. You know, you don't want that. So any other position except for quarterback. So any other position except for quarterback. I think, yeah, I think like, even if the quarterbacks would a group of his guy, what if the quarterback's with every wide receiver on the team, then you got to like.

Sorry. See you guys when you're out. Yeah. Just wait outside like a chaperone. Yep. I think that's, I think that's what has to. happen okay and then for Caleb Williams I just texted Kyle and Kyle had some really good ideas for for Caleb Williams one was like uh because the players and this is a good idea Caleb

you could probably do this and this would score you major points CJ shroud had like a chef over his house every night for everybody the bar has been raised okay every night yeah like you had a chef like every night open invite like come eat at the house okay that's cool uh the facility is north sure 45 minutes from from the city right Ellis hall yeah so Caleb Williams has on retainer a professional driver or drivers for his O-line and their wives for date nights etc um how about building a suite for the whole O-line I think that'd be great like a a no line suite that'd be great wait wait building a suite not building one buying one he meant buying he said building oh the stadium a whole suite at the stadium that'd be dope like what

No. Why not? It's a matter of 15 ATVs. Wait, but this is, this is just like before our first season, before I know if you guys are going to be fucking blocking for me, like good? Like, hell no. Wait, so if you're in a line and you're like, wait, I'm supposed to block feet before I know if you're going to be throwing the ball? Good? It's the tip thing.

It's the grubhub. Yeah, it's just like your grubhub. They need to perform first. I need to fucking. He doesn't tip before. Yeah. Why am I going to get you and your wives box seats? And if I'm getting my head taken off.

the whole year. I'm going to get you murdered back there. Hey, Caleb was seen at a restaurant yesterday studying the playbook by himself. Really? Yep. That's a great sign. Oh, Chaval? No. Maybe he should be a coach. Whatever. No, so here's another one, Drake May. You're up in New England. Make friends with Jacoby Verset. He's your best friend

right away. Yep. Go make friends with Jacoby Brissette. I can't speak for many of the other guys they weren't there when I was there. Ted's great. Ted Harper, nutritionist, eat whatever he serves you. It's all good. And then don't live, live right next to the facility. You don't want to be late. Traffic's really bad up there and get a seasonal depression lamp because it gets dark early there and there's not a lot of windows in that building. And I can just imagine you're used to getting a certain amount of vitamin D being down from where you're from, greater Charlotte area, good vibes. Vives are not quite the same up there. So just grab one of those lamps off Amazon. It's a real problem. I have another question. Yeah. Can

quarterbacks go to, can they go to the casino? Can they gamble? Yes. Gambling school? Yeah, I want my quarterback to go to the casino. I want him taking shots. I don't want him taking checkdowns all the time. Gunslinger. We need it. We need a gun slinger. This would be akin to like, you don't want to see a D. Lyman at a Taylor Swift concert without a significant other. Like, that would be a bad, like, you know, I've been to Coldplay a couple times. I brought my wife, you know, you don't want to see certain guys in certain places. And it's different for every position group. Largest suite at Soldier Field for eight home games, $320,000.

Nothing for Caleb Williams. Say it again? 320 grand for an entire season. That's largest suite. That's one ad campaign. That's one ad campaign. You guys are crazy. Why?

You guys are crazy. Why? I get what Nate said. Nate wants them to deserve it. I get a little bit. of that. I get it. Okay. What? Hey, I made the Pro Bowl. Here's a watch. Here, you don't, yeah,

right, exactly. Like, cool. You can always remember when I made the Pro Bowl. You know, uh, I, I, uh, I, I just think there's a game you got to play. I remember when I was a rookie, we had a rookie dinner. And, you know, they bring the rookies and, and that's, and that's going to determine to my gift. How are you guys going to fucking treat me?

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You guys go treat me like an asshole during the wedding dinner. So you didn't do any, that you didn't comply. with any of the requests when you were rookie? Because you were waiting to see. No, no, no. I got lucky. I got lucky because I was on the Giants and first,

I had a first rounder in the D-Line group and a second rounder. That's the year that they got Jason Peter, Paul, first round. So they were picking on them. Now, what did they do? Did you tell those guys, don't be nice to these assholes?

Well, Jason Pierre, Paul, he didn't. No, he pushed, he had back, back on all this rookie stuff. And because he was good and he backed it up on the field, they really couldn't do anything. They did fuck with him.

I saw him. He had his suit thrown into the cold tub about an hour before we were getting on a bus to go to an away game. So I seen him do that. But a lot of the other stuff, he would just be like, hey, look, I get paid more than you,

and I'm a starter, so I don't care. And it was kind of comical, like seeing him do that to certain people and guys get upset. But... I'm not going to get upset at the rookies. I'm not going to be one of those vets. It's like, I need something from the rookie.

Yeah. But it does go a long way. Oh, yeah. And it was explained to me this way. When you go to this rookie dinner, play the game. And once you play the game, if you play the game, then it's going to stop. Yeah. But if you don't play the game, the game never stops.

But I wouldn't, I'm, so, you know, like for me, when I went to that dinner and they hit me with a $20,000 bill at this fucking steakhouse, I said, no problem. For the whole defense or just the line? For the whole defense. Okay. I said, no problem. Because I know that, like, later in the season, and I needed this. Grace, like if I'm not playing my best, like I need my vets to like me. It's not being

manipulative. That's just being like, I'm going to need them to bring me along. I'm going to play the game. This is the custom. And, you know, after the dinner, once everybody's eating, everybody's starting to now order Louis the 13th, like four or five guys, ordering bottles of Louis 13th, try to take them away. And that's where I say, hey, no, this is disrespectful. I'm not, I'm not paying for this shit. But if you just... That happened? That's what happened. Oh, yeah. Okay. And it was cool. You were, hey, you were also the second pick at a draft, which that's a big difference between. So he should have let them get those bottles.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying, hey, you got to cut it off. But what I'm saying is I think there's a difference in if you're a top five pick compared to. And we're talking about Caleb Williams. Yeah. I think anything goes. And even more expectations because he's a quarterback and he's supposed to rescue a fucking big market team. And he's like been the guy.

And there's a lot of preconceived notions. So you want to put your best foot forward. I say, I say fucking pay for child care for these people. That's cool. I like that. That's like the date night thing and stuff. Those would appreciate that. So you would have paid.

But he's not in that world, though. So you would have paid, if you thought it would have bettered your, your rookie season. And you thought about it, you would have paid for a box for your linebackers for. No, because it's a different situation. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, let on. Don't, don't, don't prick. You get a crick in your neck. All right.

So, so. So the difference is I'm not directly dependent upon a group of 10 men. And my success is not directly dependent upon those men. And, you know, like there's a different bond and social hierarchy between a quarterback, especially young quarterback in their group. You can see the difference between, and this is a big, dumb conversation. Like, it's mailback conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, like, it does help. You can tell when Olin loves their guy. No, I got it. Because they're like, bro, he takes care of them. us. He looks out for us. Fucking when Patrick Mahomes bought, why does Patrick Mahomes have to buy all those? Those guys were fucking up left and right last year.

That left tackle that falls started more times than... He's getting that shit for free, bro. No, Mahomes bought all those, those, what was it, four-wheelers or scooters or whatever? Like, he doesn't have to do that. You know what I mean? Josh Allen doesn't have to buy a watch or whatever. This happens every year.

It'd just be nice to get out in front of it if you're a rookie. And the reason I would say, hey, just ATVs, but there's no room in Chicago. to ride your ATV around, you got to get creative. So I'm trying to give them some ideas. You know? I'm not saying you got to do it, Caleb. If you want him to hate you.

Don't do that shit. Don't do that shit, you have. Hey, y'all take care of yourself. Take care.