Green Light with Chris Long - Derwin James! 2025 LA Chargers, Jim Harbaugh & Madden Skills! Tush Push LIVES, Brett Favre Documentary & Memorializing Jim Irsay!

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

A great Green Light episode today! Derwin James, the fearsome safety from the LA Chargers, joins Chris Long on Green Light. Derwin confirms the story we heard from Joey Bosa about Jim Harbaugh getting into the cold tub fully dressed. Derwin also dishes on the AFC West, the battles with Travis Kelce and the Kansas City Chiefs, having Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers take him under their wings and his Madden abilities. But to start things off, Chris, Beau and Macon talk about the Tush Push staying in the NFL, flag football in the Olympics, the Brett Favre documentary and memorialize Jim Irsay. A great episode and a ton of fun. Enjoy! (00:00) Intro (2:27) Escaping Lightning (4:30) Proper Birthday Wishes (13:08) Dip Making a Comeback? (24:25) Tush Push Stays in the NFL! (36:20) Flag Football in the Olympics (46:08) Brett Favre Documentary (1:00:30) Memorializing Jim Irsay (1:11:35) Derwin James Talks Hilarious Jim Harbaugh Stories, 2025 LA Chargers & Madden Skills Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠the website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for everything merch wise and enjoy for 25% off your entire order in celebration of the 2025 NFL Draft! sitewide! Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If the word football player was one word and it was in the dictionary, Derwin James would definitely be next to that term. And now Derwin joins us on the show. Joey told me that he gets in the cold tub in his khakis. Real story. It's true. Real story, real story, real story. What motivates the rookies is so crazy.

Because I used to tell Tarry, I'm like, you like, you like, you keep making plays like that. You're going to be able to do a lot of nice things. I had to just learn a lot as a young player, young safety, going against Phillip and Gates and those guys. help me a lot, including Philip also with my blitzes and hey, you're showing it. Like, Philip calling me out on it. Like, I know you're blitzing. You love Madden.

How good are you at Madden? I'm okay, man. I can beat the average now. I'm okay. See, you're doing the humble thing, which makes me think you might be really good. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use Bonus Code Greenlight, and you'll get up to a $1,500 first bet offer on your first wager with BetMGM.

Here's how it works. Download the BetMGM app and sign up using bonus code Greenlight. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. If that bet loses, you will receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets. Just make sure you use bonus code Greenlight when you sign up. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Thank you for tuning in today and it is a great one. We've got Bo, we've got Macon, and we've got Chris.

The fellas rip around the NFL. There's a good bit of news to talk about. The Tush Push has passed. The NFL and the Olympics via flag football. The Brett Favd documentary. And Derwin James is our guest. Chris and Derwin talk L.A. Chargers. Derwin's career.

And being mentored by Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers. A great episode. We do have a good bit of fun and you're going to enjoy it. What's the deal with lightning generally? Let's talk about it. So, part the pod that way. When you're, oh, I thought we had. Oh, okay.

Go ahead. when you're in a car and like there's rubber on the road you're safe you're absolutely safe okay because you're grounded you're grounded that's right but you're not safe if you're traveling down the road at like 50 miles an hour necessarily you're not going to get electrocuted and bow way in here um i'm always ready to weigh in on weather related concerns chris well you live in a state where there's a lot of lightning strikes yeah Tampa bay lightning it's a whole thing it is a whole thing shout to patty maroon uh and But like when the lightning hits your car, if you're going too fast, I assume with all the electronics fried, it's probably not safe.

Because you're just now like a, you're just headed down the road with no electronics. Yeah, we've become slaves to technology, Chris. You know, you can't drive a car without the nav, the hub, the music. How about the headlights, bro? Is that a thing, though? You know what he does. Cars get struck and everything goes dark? Everything gets fried, I think.

Really? So you don't get struck in it. I might be wrong. But if you're in a river, is that a problem? I know if you're like swinging a golf club, that's a problem. Big problem. That's a conductor. Being on the river, you want to be away from the bank, way away from the bank.

Yeah, if you're in a river, you're not grounded. You're the opposite of grounded. Yes. Even if you're standing in waste deep water in the center of the thing? Yeah, no, no, no. You're going to go. One time I was on a river, I tell my kids all the time, I'm a survivor. Lightning hit the river down the way, and I felt like I stuck my finger in a big-ass plug.

Oh, really? Yeah. and I ran as fast as I could into a car off the I got into somebody else's car I just I just ran out open their car car was open I got in there really yeah a little B&E little B&E well car jack it was unlocked okay hey welcome the show Bo thanks for having me Chris it's always pleasure making Bo Bo it's good to see you man got the whole gang in here today almost likewise player likewise um pleasure we got a lot of football stuff but first I wanted to see how you guys felt about this pet peeve of mine you know how i feel about birthdays yeah you feel incorrectly about them go ahead you how do you feel about them chris i feel like dude do you really need a birthday text have you you ever sat there on your birthday and been like i know you i know where you land on this bow well i love attention but no what i've been doing lately is you just hit someone with an hbd all lowercase that's it

or just take off the d and hit them on hbb what's a yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I like HB. Hot brown? Hot brown. Yeah. Hot brown coming down. Just a happy birthday. Yeah.

Thank you. Just a happy birthday. That's a good point. No, but the-HBD is sufficient, though, just so you guys know. Like, that's all you really need to do. Are you talking about giving or receiving? Giving or receiving. You don't need a birthday text.

Do you need a birthday text? I love birthdays, but I'm not, I'm agnostic on the text message part of the birthday. So, but like my point is this, like, everybody, everybody at seeing. on their birthday is looking at their text messages and being like, who's text me, who hasn't. That's kind of a, it's kind of a fucked up way to live. I guess so.

I like that we're out of the Facebook wall era of seeing whether or not you're cool or like. Right, right. Because that was a big deal. So my brother, Howie, he's got a wonderful wife, Erica, who I absolutely love. And you know I'm about to say something negative. I love both of them, like so much. Erica is like, I just want to, this whole segment's going to be how awesome Erica is. She's like a god sent.

I cannot believe that my younger brother found somebody so amazing. Nothing against him. But this is like a miracle. It's a work of God. Do you know who she is? His wife. His wife. So yesterday, Howie, sorry to burst the bubble, Erica.

I know you got a text from me and Kyle at the same time. Did one of those group texts. Uh-oh. At, like, 9 a.m. As if, like, you didn't give me the whole day. And he's like, hey, it's Erica's birthday today. She would appreciate it if she received a text from you guys. And, you know, shout out to Erica right now.

She's with child and, you know, probably like, that's a motherfucker, you know. Uh. I mean, I wouldn't want to be the OB, GYN. But just carrying the child? That's a lot. Back to the point. The point is, like, the point is, I don't need that text. Let me live and die with my inattention to the calendar.

And, like, it's just so manufactured. So long story short, I text immediately, right? Hoping that Kyle did the same so she could see the error in his way. Like, you know, if you get two texts from the same, like, two brothers at the same time, you're obviously prompted. Four hours go by. I don't get a thank you. Oh, well. You don't need a lot in common.

You don't need a HBD, though. What do you read? You get a heart. I didn't get anything. Okay, but she has the whole day. So what I did is I put back in the group text, I said, Howie, can you please let Erica know that I would appreciate a text, man? That's good.

You know you can schedule text these days? No. Maybe next year, schedule a text for Erica at 1201. That would involve knowing everybody. birthday's birthday. I just listen, I love the fact that we're all here. Like, I love all of you. Love all of you. So glad you were born. But at the same time, you did not much to earn your birthday. What would you rather have my point entirely with the whole? Like, do you need a pat on the back for coming out of a hole blind 30 years ago? Like, yeah, dude, no. I disagree with you. The birthdays are sweet. And they should be

celebrated if you're into that am i going to catch a stray here or not no july 9th no oh nice yeah i know you're so into them but uh one of your several goddaughters you you may remember i yeah i told you i know okay that's okay all right do you want me to let that makes a lot more that makes a lot more sense do you want me to let that go from here on out no surely you don't know her birthday no i could tell you again no no Like now. No. Don't tell me.

It's better. I don't know. So you'll just never know. What I'd like to do is make a calendar with everybody's birthday just for birthdays to keep all you motherfuckers happy. You know? You know? Get a burner just for a scheduled birthday text.

Reed doesn't like birthdays. Reed's like, he's like me. He's like, I don't even want to hear about it. No. Yeah. I'm good. I don't need people knowing or saying. I appreciate it.

See, I do apologize for any pain I caused in your household. No, no. You cause none. September 1st, by the way, moving forward. Got it. Yeah. I can go back in the text. All I have to do is search in the search bar.

Hey, can you text? Dear motherfucker. Yeah. So anyways, I just want to get that off my chest. Would you all rather have... Happy birthday, Erica. I love you. Would you rather have...

I really do love Erica. A scheduled text or a scheduled happy birthday text from somebody or just nothing. The scheduled text. You know what I want from people? Reach out and ask, hey, how's things going? You good? hadn't talked in a while. But you don't want that.

Yeah, you want that on any other day, not on your birthday. I would trade the birthday text for somebody occasionally to be like, hey, you good? For sure. Most texts I get are like,

hey, can I, can you do this for me? Or, hey, there's a problem. Hey, can you send this birthday text?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm texting and driving birthday texts. I'm going to like hurt somebody. You know what's the, along this note of kind of, kind of like, you know, holiday style text is the thing that's always confusing to me is I'll get text from people like, I'm like Thanksgiving or something that I rarely talk to. And it's like a

long message like, happy Thanksgiving. Hope you and your family are great. I'm like, are you like, are you like just copying pacing this to everybody? But sometimes it's kind of personal too. And I'm not, not a holiday text or like that. So it's always I'm so thankful that I'm so thankful to have you as a friend. You look back at the last Texas a year ago. on Thanksgiving. It's all Thanksgiving. Yeah. The, what's funny is, you know, it's just birthday, A, A, B, A, B, A, B. Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, two times a year. The worst is when you're just getting happy birthday once a year, and that's the only communication. And that's the only communication, but that happens a lot. And you know what it's fun. As we get

older, we're busier. You know, some of us have Churin. Some of us have jobs. Some of us have other engagements and things like that. And what I noticed is like when I was in my 20s, I used to text like all types of people on holidays. You know, like Thanksgiving, Christmas, especially Thanksgiving, like tell people, and I still do. Like I'll text somebody that might be older, isn't getting as many tags or somebody I haven't talked to in a long time that I really love, like an old coach or something. But like as I've gotten older, it's just not, it's not happening. And I totally understand it. I'm not getting the text and I'm not sending them. Like the people are too busy on Thanksgiving. who has time to answer every text.

Right. Aren't you supposed to be with your family? Right. Getting blown up. Yeah. You know, you're expecting a text back like dog. I'm sitting at dinner.

Yeah, what do you want me to do? Like, hey, hey, Meg, I don't want to eat this succulent meal at the moment. I'm going to stare at my phone

and answer all the Thanksgiving text. Right. I'm telling other people I'm thankful for them. I'm thankful for everybody. I love you guys. I love all of you. And I just want to wish you all

a happy birthday in advance. There you go. And I want to wish everybody listening to the podcast, happy birthday in advance as well. And if it's your birthday today, awesome. You know who has the same birthday as my dad? They're both insurrectionist babies. Will Campbell and Howie Long, January 6th.

Nice. Very fitting that Will Campbell's a patriot. It depends on how you define whatever happens today. Certainly. Anyways. Thanksgiving 2017, you texted me, Merry Christmas, bro. really must be yeah i just searched my text for thankful for you yeah i've

so i've kind of not not since huh um well i i'm searching for those three exact words we'll do a study later yeah before we get into the the all the football news bo we had talked recently um this week about uh it's fitting because i'm about to throw one in and i apologize to some people there's like visual misophoniacs that are like oh you can't zoon on the podcast you can't dip on the podcast. I've switched back to dip. I don't think it's good for you, but it's better than Zen. Nicotine salts are so 2024. I'm trying to get Bo to quit Zen as well. Not happening, bud. What about? I'm firmly addicted. The spray. What is the spray? Nicotine spray. Just little, but that's too accessible. Where do you spray it? I believe into your

mouth hole. Where else would you? Do you booth that? Not like, you could suitcase a little. Yeah. I guess so. A couple little sprays. Yeah. All right. But no, but here's the problem with like Zinn or, and if I wind up dead, you know why. Oh. Because Philip Morris or whoever invented Zinn is going to come after me.

But like, no, like Google nicotine salts, synthetic nicotine. You're not even getting the real thing. I, for one, prefer free base nicotine. The OG. I mean, with that argument, why wouldn't you just go back to straight six? You know? Well, because... Lung cancer.

Yeah. And here's the thing. Anytime you say here's the thing. It's going to be followed by some bullshit. But here's the thing. Like, Zin's too easy, man. Before there was Zin, were you a nicotine addict? Yes or no?

Big time. Yes. You were. Oh, yeah. You used to dip your face off. Quitting chewing was the hardest thing ever. I quit. I had heart surgery in Philly in 2016.

I quit caffeine, nicotine. Adderall, alcohol, pre-workout, coffee, all in the same day. Sucked. Not fun. Cold turkey. But the cold turkey, the hardest thing was did because you'd be sitting in a meeting room after practice, one person starts, you know, and then your mouth just starts watering, dude.

It's the hardest thing. I get what you're saying, though. That's so interesting. It's too accessible. Or Zin is too accessible. Like, there's no effort involved in it. It's too easy. And if you read up on it.

it and i used to be the idiot that was like oh zin's you know like it's totally like they haven't found it to cause cancer anything we don't know that yet number one it fucks up your microbiome the the the mint stuff in there i'm just telling you my digestion's gotten better my mood's gotten better um and uh hey like it's not like i'm talking about breathwork here i'm talking about throwing in a dip instead of a fucking nicotine pouch you know about breathworth i do wow yeah i'm on instagram okay but like legit i would liken it after my little bout of very amateur research like zen is crack cocaine and free base nicotine is just coke which a lot of people do they do i like i like that argument but i would say more that zen is like a like a weed vape pen and you know this is the

dip is like a joint it's like flour you know but here's the thing you got to take that here's the thing i would chew more i just yeah i don't like carrying around a piece of garbage to spit into right and there was a period of time you talk about fucking up your gut microbiome or i hated carrying out a spitter you're swallowing dip got it that's fucking up your microbiome well dude i'm not like you in that tearing around you know it just women love it women love it women love it women love love to find your spitters you want hey you know how these alpha males are now like giving you like five ways to to get to have more sex like that's number one leave your spitters around yeah put all your spitters on her nightstand you put the spitter on her nightstand if you want to get

laid tonight gentlemen um but here's the thing i know this could make my teeth fall out and i've been dipping this isn't a i'm just like most people they probably picked up the habit pretty early i've been dipping since i was like 15 14 15 years years years old and i always dipped once a day once a day strangely enough to wind down so i'm not like that where like i'm dipping five seven times a day i've been around people that are like i know you you do coat or what is it cope straight before they're saying you do coke i was like i do now um oh coate you're on that codyac no i do i do codyac so so the point is like with zen you feel like it's a cheat like you're like, oh, there's nothing that could go wrong with this. It's just, it's, oh, it's made of plant

material. Well, to your point, it's just nicotine. People on Instagram say nicotine is a new tropic. What the fuck does that mean? How do I know what that means? They haven't tested it, regulated it. They haven't, like, done enough testing on it. They know what this does. This is the evil I know, and I know it well enough to know that I'm not going to put five, seven of these in the day. So there have been like nicotine withdrawals are terrible. I have been, I'll admit this, dealing with nicotine withdrawals

since the fall. Like I was way up there and I've been doing the staircase thing and I finally got to the bottom step and the next step off was not to quit nicotine altogether. It was like, let me get back to my old ways. So anybody listening obviously you make your own choices.

I'm not saying it's good. This is all bad. If you're young or if you haven't ever had nicotine before, don't. it's terrible like honestly i well okay but i think it's cool i think it's cool i think it's cool i think sigs are cool i think in a in an order of operations i would say smoking a cigarette smoking a hand-rolled cigarette is the coolest yeah that's cool because you went out of your way to smoke a hand to roll that thing up you got your whole you know situation there i think that's i think that's like a brooklyn hipster thing to do yeah not only am i unhealthy

I'm also unemployed is by Yeah Like maybe I've got a sick vinyl collection And I smoke hand-rolled cigarettes Yeah dude I picture a guy

That looks like he's in Mumford And son Or is a co-host With JJ Reddick Before he came to Lakers No shade I love Tommy He's just the worst fucking fantasy

Football Commissioner of all time And by the way There's two guys that are in my fantasy league that have been going off in the playoffs heroes bridges and crusoe we're going to talk about the NBA later that's my that's the only thing Tommy really gave me and allowing me to be I'm in a group text with those two guys would it be wrong for me to feel like text bridges after next games because I have the group text and be like hey I didn't love that that that that baseline inbound play last night oh it's me from the fantasy football league

Or like text Caruso and be like, I just, you did a great job on Yokic the other night. Anyways, I'm gonna throw a dip in. That's all I'm saying. I apologize in advance. I can do an analogy. Yeah. Your dip is like full back dive on fourth and one, you know?

Ooh. Devil you know. Dynamite segue. The Zen is more of a tush push where we do not yet know the potential future ramifications despite what the Jason Kelsey's of the world might tell. Sample size is too small. That's right.

Right? Yeah. I have another comparison to make kind of along those lines. I mean, if we're talking, we're talking tobacco nicotine here. I just think it's hilarious thinking of our pal, former teammate Jason Kelsey. In low-vers. To speak to the owners on behalf of the tush push yesterday, almost akin to like a big tobacco lobbyist, going into D.C. to confront, you know, the Senate about the benefits of Zinn.

you know i think that's a good comparison making i like that a lot thank you thank you bow jason kelsey philip morris there's a graphic in there somewhere jason kelsey has a silencer in the back of fucking chain stuyken's car see i think of all types of creative shit with this plant in my mouth so talking about the tush push push has been and don't tell me i can't dip on this thing i see pacman jones every day on his socials he's always got a fat lip in, doesn't he? Do you ever see Pac-Man Jones socials? By the way, I want to get Pac-Man on the show.

Pac-Man, if you're out there and you're listening to this, I want to get Pac-Man on the show. Yeah, you're tonguing your lip into your lip, producing like a, like a, yeah, I'm going to stop that here. I'm trying, I'm trying to get it to the point where I can start talking again, hold on a second, guys. No, it looks cool, though. It does look cool.

It does look cool. It does look cool. like uh like you look like bradley cooper in a star is born or so really like you look yeah you look cool i wasn't thinking about shooting myself today because it's just a joke it's a joke had a busy morning you need that dickensy to kick him baby that gut microbiome is who's way way better dude Look at Pac-Man. He's always got a fat lip-in, dude.

Love Pac-Man. One of the biggest... Talk about guys who have Ores. We're going to talk about Ores later. Okay, Tush-Push. Here's the deal. We know who voted for and against it. Are we right or are we wrong?

You got a lip in? I'm trying to do a fake lip. Do you want me to just pack the dip for five minutes and then take it out? Give making a dip. Have a dip, bro. No, it's been since high school. I think it would be cool to have, like, a fake one. Like a little piece of rubber in there to look,

Cool. To your point, Bo. You can get these. Are we doing a nicotine pod? Is that? We can do that. No, I mean, we're doing a pod about whatever we want it to be about, which is kind of my happy place. Cana dips. God, I can't talk.

Cana dips. I haven't podcasted with a dip in a while. Cana dips. Have you heard of that? It's CBD, but it's a dip. So it really doesn't hurt you. You can look cool. I remember when we started down the Zen Road.

Really can't hurt you. It's a cycle. Do you think that you could pack dips and be a real estate agent? How do you think that would affect your clientele and their perception of you? I try to be, and this might scare you, as authentic as myself as I can be. What if you're selling some like riverfront property in like Buckingham? I think people would see through it. Yeah, or like a double wide.

Can it work for somebody? Sure. But I think with me, people would see through it in part because I would be vomiting. Sure. That's thereafter. Because that's my move when I dip. Yeah, to vomit for a while. Anyways, that comes in the C block for me. Let's start with Tush Push. The best part about this is Jeffrey Lurie likening it to if it actually got struck down to a teenage boy having a wet dream. Did you hear this? I did. Can somebody read the quote?

Like a wet team, wet dream for a teenage boy. Dude, are you reading your browser history again? Yeah. Easy there. Yeah, I unfortunately had history. Oh, we should do, we should do, we should do eyebrows. Eyebrows.

We need to do eyebrows. Hands off. Don't you can't believe anything. Hey, we need to do eyebrows with bow in the C block. So we'll do that. Put a, put a pin in that. But Jeffrey Lurie, man. That has to be the, the most wild quote. I've ever heard said at an owner's meeting.

And I've heard some wild shit come out of owners meetings. But he's right. To get it banned would be like a badge of honor. It would join a few plays. I mean, there was a list that somebody came out with today of like all the really crafty plays that got banned in the NFL over the years. Like one being running the clock down on a penalty.

There were some others. The pun situation. The pun situation. I guess, and I don't want to butcher this. and Nolan please like hop in at any time but uh it sounded like to me the NFL was i mean didn't sound like this is the reality they wanted it banned and they were doing everything they could to push this boat later in the summer i fly on the wall i'd love to have been in the meetings where

people were trying to coerce and strong arm guys and people like dan campbell also a dipper um couldn't be bought his bottom yeah but he's all day he's all day all right we have the the team teams here. Can you put up the graphic of who voted against it and who voted for it? Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, New York Jets, and Tennessee Titans. Voting against the ban. Now what do you notice about that? For the push. All NFL teams at first blush. Yeah, first blush, yes. But also more specifically, Eagles, Lions, Saints, Saints.

those are the only NFC teams that were okay with the Tush Push continuing. Right. So to me, it's like definitely NFC has had enough of the Eagles. Niners have had enough of the Eagles. Supposedly Jed York told Lori to shut the fuck up during his one hour tirade about his wet dream. Something to that effect. That wasn't the direct quote.

No, that's from the athletic or something. Wrap it up. Yeah, yeah, like wrap it up, Jeff. But I do think it's also like some really physical teams like Baltimore. Eagles beat them last year. I don't know if they were in the tush push against them, but they're like, we're physical. Like that goes against our,

every fiber in our being to vote against the tush push. Dan Campbell, he's not going to do that. Jerry Jones appreciated the player aspect of it. I guess Kelsey, to Bose point, got up there and poured his heart out. And Jerry, of all people, were like, I appreciate what, you know, the player, you know, account of this deal. The crux of it to me is, you know, it's a football play. It is a football play. Like, you know, I heard Mark Schlereth make a point. And it was a nuanced one on Rich Eisen. So,

of course, Eagles fans are in the comments and they're all like, fuck you, Mark. The first thing he said was like, hey, listen, they banned, you know, people pushing on extra points. If it's about safety, that's also unsafe, yada, yada, yada. Well, they banned pushing runners of the football, period. This is a loophole. I don't know. I mean, like, you see a lot of people getting pushed in the end zone. Don't you?

It happens pretty much. Yeah, like you get caught up at the three-yard line and then, you know. Yeah, there's like a wave of people pushing the pile into the end zone. Yeah. At some point, they banned aiding the runner by pushing from behind. No, I don't know. Did they? That's sort of like a thing.

I think we can find out. Well, you can't, like, grab the runner and pull them forward, I guess. Yeah, you can't. pull them you can't pull people but i don't know of a like a legit enforced rule that i see on the regular where you know pushing a runner and you're rarely a situation a lot of scrums like towards the end zone where o linemen will come in from the back like a running back gets stood up and then the old i'm and mob on them you know i don't want to sound stupid maybe the rule was passed in some former fashion but to me it is a football play um it's a football play if you

owning the line of scrimmage and that's that's what mark slareth went on to say he's like i think it's a football play uh it is a little bit inconsistent because of the way they've litigated the other side of the football um in special teams at least there's no real there's no functionality to push your de lineman as a linebacker like that's just not something that you're going to get anything out of for some reason it's hard hard to explain but it's just not the same um and as far as the safety's concerned i like your metaphor it's zen we just don't have a big big enough sample size. But like, if we're going to go player safety, come on, bro. Like, we stop playing football. Here's the rule. Historically aiding the runner by pushing was prohibited. However, in

2005, the NFL removed the ban on pushing due to enforcement challenges while still prohibiting pulling or carrying a runner. There you go. It's too subjective to say, hey, what's a push? What's not? Listen, I think it's become a really fun pop culture thing. Like, you know, we've gotten a lot of great memes out of it this week. It's like the world against Philly, which is just the way Philly likes it. And to Jeffrey Lurie's point, even if it was banned, we'd have a, you know, we'd have a chip on our shoulder to wear if we're Philly fans. But I'm glad, for one, that

it's stuck around because to me, if it's available to them, it's available to everybody else. And so, learn to do it with efficiency and learn to to do it in a way that you can actually benefit from it. The Eagles have a really big offensive line, but it's not explainable. It's not solely explainable because of the size of their offensive line.

There are big offensive lines in the NFL. If that were the case, then you would see it directly correlate with the size and weight of the offensive line in the NFL. If you were to do kind of a graph, and you were like, hey, if other teams were trying it, their success rate would be based upon how much mass is on their offensive line. There are other big offensive lines that don't even dare try it. Like the Buffalo Bills voted against it, which is to

me ridiculous, especially when you consider that Sean McDermott said after the season, like it's a player safety issue, and he ran it as recently as the playoffs. Like to me, it's just about, hey, these guys are too good at it. And that is not enough, in my opinion, to ban something like the touch push. Philly out of it, would your opinion change if every other team was as successful as Philly at doing it? Because then every third and fourth and short becomes that play? That's a good point. I don't know. Because I think at the moment it remains entertaining. Holy crap, is anybody going to be able to stop Philly?

Holy crap, is any other team going to be able to do it? But if everyone becomes good at it, that could be a bummer for short yardage situations in an otherwise very entertaining sport. You make a great point. And maybe I would think differently if it ruined every third and short or fourth and short. But at the moment, right now it's not affecting the quality of the game. There's just one team that's doing it well.

If it ruined every short yardage situation, then that be one thing. But right now it's one team doing it. You make a great point. I hadn't thought about that making. I had thought about like, hey, if it weren't the Eagles, if it were the Lions, how would I feel? And I promise you, I wouldn't feel any different. You know, you name the team I hate the most in the NFL. I don't know who that is.

But if they were good at it, I'd say, hey, it's on everybody else to figure out how to do the same thing. It's not like, you know, there's some point of differentiation with all the Eagles offensive linemen or the quarterback. I mean, yeah, the guy squats 700 pounds. but like, you know, there's also some other big, strong quarterbacks in the NFL. The bills famously couldn't convert against the chiefs in the biggest moment. Trying to do the exact same thing. And they got a rule change because of that play, right? The line is now being electronically measured just to more exact measure where that ball lands.

Yeah. So listen, try again next year. That's the thing. If they're two votes short, right? Yeah, it'll eventually get banned. Seems like that's where we're headed. And I think we do need to mention the ironic part of this, that 22 to 10 was the vote.

That was also the score of the Packers Eagles game this past season. Which is hilarious. Makes you feel like you're living in a simulation. I was going to say, I think whether it comes to, or there's another vote on it is interesting to think about because, you know, again, this vote was tabled. in the spring, pushing into the summer, there's all the lobbying that happened in between,

and they still couldn't get the vote. You know, like the league wanted this ban, they still couldn't get the vote in their favor. So there's a little bit of egg on their face with that. And I just, I think it'll be interesting to follow the discourse around it through this, this season and whether the league will be willing

to kind of risk that embarrassment again of the vote not going their way. If the league wants something and they can't have it, it's like the league gets whatever it wants. We talk about this with the schedule. They get Christmas. They beat the NBA there. They want to take college football playoff Saturday.

They get that. They want to move teams to London or to fucking, they want to have eight international games. We'll do that. But it's pretty funny that they can't get this rule change. And they clearly want it changed. So that tells me eventually they are going to get it changed. But this year they couldn't do it.

I want the Eagles to come out and lean into it more, man. It's like first down, like P and 10, you know. get a good positive play what's that get a good positive play yeah defense comes out in too high light box just tush push run it out of 11 you know yeah right you know what i mean just lean into it so anyways i know people are tired of hearing about the tush push and so we don't have to hear about it for another year until next year you try to get it banned again it probably happens so well until the next eagle's broadcast yes when they line it up no question but it is funny it's like it's a from the NFL standpoint you love it when people discuss

things you know with passion online in the media this is a story it's always going to be a story it's always going to be a talking point and so you know in a very indirect way it's not bad for the game right you know people are arguing about it like that's more engagement so bo do you as the last thing do you feel um are you relieved that you went into the lion's den and in Green Bay made the statement about the Tush Push not leaving the game and then you it came true I had a feeling we got some inside sources I was with Roger you know I was talking with him in the green room and I had a feeling he was going to stick around that's pretty awesome feel like a you know a little bit of a savant I was so proud of you that day you looked you

look great up always nice to be right on your takes cowboy I think Chris should try it sometime yeah Aha. Got it. That's hate. That's hate. Another proposal that was approved at the NFL meeting was flag football as coming to the Olympics. Yeah. This coming in L.A.

In 2028, NFL players able to participate. I think the rule, Nolan, you can correct me, but I think it's one player per team is allowed to be selected. Per country. Per country. One per team per country. So there are going to be some guys. that are going to be playing that. Oh, for other eligibility part, I bet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it will be great seeing. Jordan Milata. Yep. Jordan Milata might be representing Australia. There's no use for Jordan Milata on a flag football field. Yeah, true. That's what you think, dude.

There's no. They're going to come out and run the tush push flag football, dude. Worst seat, that guy who said he's better than Mahomes. Yeah. That guy, like, his whole world came crashing down yesterday. But I bet in his head he's like, all right, I'll just practice harder. I'm going to figure out a way to beat my homes. But here's what I was going to say about it. Do I have to root for the USA when this happens? No. You don't have to in any other

the Olympic sports. I know, but I do root for the USA and like pretty much everything. And there's going to be some people who are like, yeah, you're fucking communist if you root for other other countries or whatever. But like, I don't take flag football seriously. I know that it's, I think it's awesome at a youth level it's awesome but as like a consumer of the product i'm not interested like it's not interesting to me to see i mean i guess it'll be interesting to see how badly we beat like papua new guinea but at the same time like is that even a country yeah okay just making sure the way y'all looked at me you're like oh poppin new guinea um but but i do think i do think there is when you so cool running's the movie if you're rooting for

the Jamaicans, you're a traitor. You know what I mean? Like we, we have a bobsled team. I put this in the same category. It's just not like something I care about. It's not something I will be rooting for like Ireland. You know what I mean? Can I hit you with a little bit of fire? Sure. This is what the Olympics are. Sports so respectfully that nobody actually cares about. Damn, mate. We know who's going to win every single competition. We know what the medal count is going to be. What the Olympics do to tennis. I mean, I never, maybe I'm an Olympic swimmer.

I never tried to swim fast. You're not an Olympic swimmer. You're not built like a swimmer. I disagree. I think that's the beauty of the Olympics. You turn it on on a random, you know, summer afternoon when it's a summer Olympics and you see a sport that you haven't seen since four years ago when you were watching the same obscure.

Curling. Oh, shit. This is kind of late. Curling, exactly. Yeah. Like, it's kind of fun. Yeah, like Jared Allen might be there in a... Archery, all the shooting competitions.

Like, just all. Think of all the memes. Like Olympic Twitter is kind of popping up. Olympic Twitter. Chris, go back to your point. Like, I do not care about flag football at all, but I was really surprised because when I went out for the draft, we had this like town hall meeting with Roger Goodell.

There was only a couple active players that were there. And Jonathan Taylor was one of them. He's a Wisconsin guy. Great dude. And he was like adamant about. being excited to represent the U.S. and play flag football. And he was advocating on behalf of basically this policy that was passed. And I was like thinking about that a lot because I was like, dude, as a noseguard, like, I do not give a fuck about flag football. And to me, I think that's a little

bit of a positional gap and like generational gap. Like nowadays, seven on sevens is like a huge thing. Sure. But why don't you just go down to the fucking the, the elementary school and beat up on the elementary school kids because it's, it's going to be a blood bath. The other teams don't play football yet tarry he's all he's like to be standing up on that podium with you know representing your country and you have an Olympic medal which is what you know I think all the NFL players that are playing in that are expecting he's like that's the coolest feeling the anthem's playing like yeah I think everyone wants that I'm like yeah all right like you kind of he kind of got I get that but you might as well be playing pogs you know like pogs and slammers like if they made that a fucking

Olympic sport, would you be like, I'm so proud to... Or say artistic gymnastics, canoeing, cycling, equestrian, fencing, handball, judo. Dudeing is tight. Dudeo's cool. What are you talking about? Judo's bad at. What are you talking about? Judo's bad at?

Boreding. Making once the Olympics to be three sports. Sport climbing, surfing. A tiguan do. Sport climbing? You would like sport climbing. Break dancing, you psychos. Agreed with break dancing.

We got like the best meme. of like 2004 or whatever that was. Brick Anthony's already not coming back from I think that woman ruined it. She literally killed. She ruined it. She fucking ruined it. I don't know. I don't mean, I'm not saying like I'm anti or like I'm poo-pooing on this whole

thing, but like I just am not that into flag football. Maybe the competition will be good enough, you know, that like it's kind of fun. Here's a video. That's the only way I get into it is if the other team are good. The NFL is doing this. The NFL is doing this to try to get. more views for the pro bowl no no there's part of that but i also think there's a couple ways you can think about it number one the NFL and i i don't know if we're past like the period where they're

super worried about concussion legislation but they know they need to grow flag football generally at the youth level and i think also like they're preparing for a day where maybe like things change a little bit that that's more far-fetched i think the number one thing is they want the game to be more global yeah and this is a way to do it like to incentivize people to start playing football at some level in different countries. And it will do that. But it is not football. And it's a way, like, you get some of these guys to play for another nation and go to the

Olympics, they're going to have, now you're going to have, you know, Ireland all cheering for, say, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. He goes and plays for Ireland, you know? Why would he do? Well, just some random thing. He plays for Ireland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ladd-McConkie. Right, right. Thank you. Ladd McConkey plays for Ireland. Now you've got all of Ireland. They're Chargers fan. You know, it introduces, and I think some of these countries might need some NFL players because this was Tyreek Hill going against the best D.Bs from France.

Let's see it. Oh, God. I mean, these are little like option routes. That's a little out and up. That's pretty good. Now, it's actually pretty impressive that that guy was even close. Yeah, that first one. Yeah, that's not good

So I worry about Like how embarrassing it's going to be for the other countries They got four years Figure it out You know I'll watch But I'll be rooting for you know The other team

Speaking of And people are going to be like This is my dream What do you say Jonathan Taylor is going to be like I can't believe you would root against one of your NFL brothers I'm like bro like it's fucking flag football dude It's way more fun to root for the underdog It is

It's inherently fun. And here's the other thing. The NFL's really into this globalization thing right now. And I saw that like, I didn't even realize they were doing this. I mean, they've been doing it for a while. Like the Jags most famously, they've been trying to place the Jags as like the London team. But they are starting to place franchises with other countries, trying to grow the fan bases, like kind of assigning country's fan bases.

And I think it'd be funny. I was talking to Nolan earlier about how they were doing. What's your theory on on on how they're doing it, Nolan? I mean, it could just be randomly assigned. I would think they have to be using some kind of like social media engagement, like analysis or something that kind of pin. Propaganda like teams that make sense to for certain countries. I don't know. Dude, I'm going to I'm going to pick like the worst country and and like do a bot farm in that country for the dolphins.

You know, like the Russia, Russia. First bot farm Russia with the Dolphins. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of activity. Hasco-turvy the fuck out of Russia. Like, how to feel. Yo, people in North Korea love Tua.

They're not even tweeting there, but like all of a sudden, there's a bunch of IP addresses popping up being like, no, he does throw a great deep ball. Yeah. You guys got a nuke. So do we. No, you don't. Don't. No, you don't. Packers and Ireland's a no-brainer.

It's just whites. The Saints in France, the Fleur de Lee. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. South Korea, L.A. I'm holding off on a couple of these, and I want credit for that. Okay. I'm going to continue to hold off.

What are you holding off on? Very inappropriate. Jokes? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. So this is from NFL.com.

NFL clubs can apply for rights to international markets by submitting proposals to the International Committee for a view each spring. So it actually sounds like teams kind of pick where they want to. Oh, that's interesting. Austria, I would love to be one of the six teams linked to Austria. That'd be nice. Go play in the Alps. Oh, yeah, it'd be awesome.

Be pretty tight. It'd be awesome. How about the Swiss Alps? Hey, you know who I'm going to be rooting for during the Olympics? Who? Counter-programming. What is, Shark Week.

Some home improvement. Shark Weeks. You got it. Shark Week. Yep. This could be some alternate content for you during the Olympics. The Brett Favre documentary on Netflix. Watch it again in four years.

Yeah, exactly. Keep it on your, keep it on it. Don't watch it until the Olympics in 2028. Yeah. But Netflix has a series untold. The latest, the latest release was Brett Farr was the subject. ran through his time with the Packers in the NFL, but focused on his sexting of Jets,

Jets' employee, Jen Sturgher. Okay, first off, I don't think it's sexting. I think he sent an email. I think he was an email, 41-year-old man sending emailed dickies to, like, people half their age. MySpace DMs. Well, I think there was, I think the, the, the, the Dickie in question came from an email address.

Oh, really? if I remember correctly in the documentary. Like a burner email. It wasn't a burner. It said Brett Bred Farr of like 69. Yeah. But before we get serious about this thing, because it is very serious.

The most jarring image in the whole thing is the blacked out, his blacked out piece. And like didn't need much blacking out, did they? I mean, no. It's unbelievable, dude. I remember that. from when it happened. Oh, but like seeing it like censored is even worse.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's just like, whoa. Can I tell you my favorite part? Sure. By far. Sure. Peter King having size 14.

Yes. Yes. And then Brett saying, God, dog, Peter. Is that what happened? Got dog, Peter. And then the look he gave his teammates. He was just like. Yeah, that's pretty funny.

That was. He was like, what size shoe do you wear? He said 14. And then he goes, God dog. Peter. It's great. Him and Peter King were buddies. Yeah.

Didn't he find out Peter was saying I was at the Farve home when he was deciding whether he was retired and go back? That was surprising. It's an odd couple there. I'll say this about Brett Farb, man. Not knowing any

of this. If you didn't know any of this when you watched him for most of his career, he was like, he's like a superhero. I think that's why people have such a hard time with this. Like number one, people have a hard time with athletes because they can kind of separate the person from the craft. It's like with artists or musicians, like you don't need to be a good person to be great at football. You don't. And you don't need to be a good person to be a CEO either,

you know, or some, a head of a company that's exploiting people or whatever. Real estate agent. Yeah, but it feels like more of a straight line to like the decisions you make off the field and in business. Like you can draw that straight line from somebody who's a businessman. But like a lot of fans have a hard time because not only are they they feel fooled and their confirmation bias won't like won't allow them to now hate the guy but also like there is something about being an athlete where it transcends like

the type of person you are and I will say this like Brett Fav was like a hero dude you know he he could throw the football legitimately over the mountains and he's like all American gunslinger quarterback he the way he played

it was so fun to watch and you know when his dad died and he played like the next night or whatever on Monday night football and he lit it up like as a football player he was probably the perfect teammate he was probably one of the guys man's man all that stuff you can be all those things without being a total asshole and um I don't think he's the only person to ever make inappropriate advances and I'm not excusing it I think it's like listen when a woman's not interested in you fuck off right that should be kind of like that's what I'll tell my boys as they grow up.

And maybe don't email dickpicks generally at all. But I'll say this. Like they spent a lot of time on the womanizing. And I was like, hey, when are we going to get to the part where he fucking defrauded the poorest people in one of the poorest states in America? Yes. And what's wild to me is Michael Vic was on this thing. He started it off. Michael Vic was on this thing.

And at first I was like, is he going to denounce directly like kind of what Brett's doing? And he did. The irony there is like Michael Vic had to go to prison for how he treated dogs. And our society decided with Brett Fav here over the last couple of years that what he allegedly did is not that bad. Yeah. Because he was doing it to poor people. And I think not for nothing, if there's ever a time to steal from people on welfare in this country, it's right now.

and people will look the other way. In fact, I think for a lot of people, they're like, well, who gives a fuck? I'm not one of those people. But you can tell them the reaction that it's just not enough for people. It's their confirmation bias for sure, but it's also what he did.

I think a lot of people don't care. And that, to me is sad to think about stealing that much money, allegedly from, I don't want to get Pat McAfee here, from the poorest people in our country, the most, you know, I mean, the most vulnerable people in our country. and they spent the last 15 minutes on it.

But that to me, and I heard somebody in the in the in the in the in the doc say this. He's like he was like yeah, you know all those dick picks and all the cheating. You know, maybe we shouldn't have been surprised about the federal welfare scandal. I was like okay. So so so we're equating the two like we're drawing a straight line from from being a womanizer to defrauding like thousands and thousands of people hundreds and thousands of people in the poor state in the country. I just to me that was a little bit of a slot. be needle to thread but that does not discount the fact that you know i mean hearing that he came on to

massage therapists and then they got fired because because they reported it and everything that happened to jen sturger and uh you know her show getting canceled when you put yourself in a woman's shoes you know it's scary to work in a football building and so um you know you feel bad for jen when she talks about her account of it. And, you know, Deadspin, for instance, like the whole thing, even the people who were reporting on it, like, kind of used her. Supposedly, she told the story to the people at Deadspin and got, like, cold feet or something. And they ran it anyways. And they used her name and the whole thing. And surprise, surprise, Deadspin's the worst fucking collection of human beings of all time. It's a tabloid that was masquerading as, like, a journalistic endeavor.

Those people suck. And the guy that was on the new... Like the Knob Clemen of that era, you know what I mean? Yes. Like the MLS football of the early internet culture. But no, to your point, Chris, I felt the worst for that woman because, you know, this is someone who basically had a, she kind of blew up overnight off of just being a fan, a good looking fan at a game, right? And she tried to ride that for as long as she could.

And into a legitimate sports career, finally got like the peak of her career. And then essentially just a creep, the star, the show. show a stug quarterback in the, you know, final throws of his NFL career kind of just fucked that all up for it. That's what I thought was so interesting. It's like this is someone who was, it seemed like she did a really good job of capitalizing on like, you know, her attractiveness and things like that. And then just got preyed upon and it all kind of went downhill.

It just, I don't know, it made me feel, really feel for. And then exactly what you said, that's been, she didn't even authorize any of that. Like they had the emails up where she was saying. I'm saying I'm saying this shit off the record. And of course, that's been like the scummy company that they are. They still put it out there for clicks and everything like that. So that was one of my biggest takeaways is like I thought it was so interesting.

Like you said, they focused on that so much more than the fraud. Yeah. Which is like the more recent, it's like literally still ongoing. It's the rarest transgression. The other transgression, I'm not excusing it.

He's not the only person in NFL history to be inappropriate with an employee. Or, you know, he's not the first person in NFL history to cheat on his wife or to be a woman with like 28 allegations against him that's playing for the Browns right now dude right now and so like to me that was like the big flaw of that thing I mean it wasn't the best watch in the world it's one of those things where you're like me shitting on the documentary does not mean that I'm excusing what it was covering but it's a funny thing because if you thought he was fucked up for everything he did it was no news to you and if you didn't think so you're probably not watching that documentary and feeling

any differently because all that all that information was you know they said untold the untold story of the fall of brett far featuring all the information that you already knew yes you know what i mean and it changed nobody's mind i bet i think also what went untold was any of the specifics of the welfare scandal it was like money was misappropriated and he was involved in a volleyball stadium got built. Yep. I was left wanting for more information about the scandal. Especially on the concussion company that he had invested in that received some of the funding.

But listen, it just speaks to a lot in our society about how we, and we do it all the time. Like we do it all the time. Even in this room, some people that we really admire for their talents, like we look past things. And I think quarterbacks and athletes, and especially quarterbacks because it's one one of the rarest positions in sports period. Like you can't find them. And this guy happens to be the key to like an entire generation of Packers viability.

And so what are the Packers gonna do? You know, like I'd like to think I would do things a certain way. I mean, it wasn't during the Packers tenure that this stuff blew up, but like imagine there were things that happened in Green Bay. Like what are they gonna do? Like you can't be our quarterback anymore. It's akin to sinking your franchise.

Right. So, and that's because of the scarcity of that resource, which is a guy who can throw the football over those mountains. And it's the same thing in, in American culture is like the rarer Italian is, the more will look past their, their personal shit. Well, it sounded like there was some things like that in Green Bay. Like the one reporter was like, hey, I was told to write a story about Brett Farr, the family man. But he was just talking about cheating. And he was talking about being a, being like a, like, depending on how you think, like a back. I'm not going to call infidelity a mortal sin like it's akin to beating women or or or or stealing money from poor people or or sexually assaulting somebody like he's not the only one.

There are people in Green Bay wearing far of jerseys who are cheating on their wives like but it was interesting that the media knew enough about him to be like hey man he's just not a great guy. I'm not going to write this story about the great guy and to teammates this is what's complicated. there are guys that we have played with that you're going to be like oh he's he was awesome like he was great in the locker room we did team dinners we went out drinking we went out fishing we went out hunting he was a man's man but like your teammates don't have to deal with the repercussions of what's going on when that person leaves the building and so for for football players it's it's easy to be like well all his teammates seem to love him well yeah they were playing football with him when you walk in the facility it's not about like is he cheating on his wife or you know you know, is he, is he inappropriate with, with women?

Like, they don't necessarily know that. So it's hard. It's, it's kind of doubly shocking when you're like, well, even to the people that he worked with, he seemed like they loved him. And they probably did. Like, those teammates probably loved him. I think, I think it's, I think it's like one of those things

where he's just skated. I think what you're kind of getting at and my take away from the documentary is like, it's basically about the pitfalls of hero worship. Yes. You know, at a time when like before, right before social media. You know, dude, Brett Farber was the first jersey I had.

It's probably the only NFL jersey I actually owned growing up. And, like, I love the way he played. And I thought he was a tough guy and a gunslinger and blah, blah, blah. But, like, bottom line, he's a creep and he fucking took advantage of disadvantaged people in Mississippi. You know, like you said. But I thought the documentary fell short on, like, really kind of like getting into, you know, hero worship and lack of repercussions for, you know, these heroes, especially sports heroes that do wrong. kind of what you said earlier. Like they had Michael Vic and they interviewed him.

They interviewed him too. I think that there's a very interesting comparison to make there that you kind of touched on. It's like, you know, Michael Vic did time for his crimes. It doesn't look like there's any serious repercussions for Brett Farv. Like, let's talk about the racial implications of that. You know, all these different things that I was kind of hoping that the documentary would get into and that never even went there. Racial implications from the perspective of how we view the perpetrator. and how we view the victims because there's an unfortunate stereotype where it's like,

okay, well, everybody on welfare is, they're non-white. And like, you know, it's like, that's bullshit. Like, I don't want to get into it, but I know a lot of white people on welfare, dude. And, you know, I do think that that enters into the conversation for the average pinheaded fan where they're like, you know, well, you're just stealing from poor people who I think are leaching from society anyways. And I think now is the best time to get, get, to get by on that, on the. that lie because of the way things are in our society.

And it does suck because Michael Vic went to prison for how he treated dogs. And Brett Farv is still walking around revered and loved by a lot of people. No repercussions. Maybe as they pointed out, he lost some copper fit money or whatever because he was just, he was stealing from people that nobody cares about. And that's fucked up. And similarly, Bo earlier called out to Sean Watson and didn't make mention of Justin Tucker.

Yeah, that is interesting. Allegedly. I forgot about Justin Tucker. Yeah, I mean, that's fucked up too. Well, he's a kicker. I don't, yeah. I mean, I hate him for being a kicker and all the other out game. All right.

So that's heavy shit. On to one more heavy thing. Jim Mersey died. And this was last night. It was kind of a shock. Like, I texted you. You didn't even know about it. Nope.

Good job. Stand off your phone. Thanks. I think what was cool about Jim Ursay was like he had everything and he owned an NFL team. He was powerful enough to open or close the roof of an NFL stadium on a whim every Sunday. Like it was these guys are ultra powerful people and a lot of them are very boring and guarded and kind of robots and they all act the same and they're real homogenized. and I thought like Jim Ursay was really colorful. And I thought Jim Ursae was very relatable in how normal he was.

I'm not saying me and Jim Ursay are the same, but what I'm saying is like if I own an NFL team, you'd probably still read some goofy-ass tweets. Like, you know, the guy was tweeting like he was a normal guy. He was collecting guitars. He had an amphibious vehicle that he was very proud of. Remember that he had a four-wheeler that could also go in the water? And he landed his helicopter, jumped right on the vehicle and just sprinted.

He was beaking out about it. And, you know, like, he seemed like a guy that loved to have fun. Obviously, like, some of the having fun caused him a lot of hurt and pain over his lifetime. But I thought he was so relatable in that he was, like, a normal guy who had everything. And, you know, for a guy that, like, grew up, ball boy, his dad owned the team. I think he took over in what, like, 97 as the owner. He became the CEO in 96. Like, so he's been, his whole life has been spent around this organization.

organization, which he obviously cared a great deal about. They won a Super Bowl. And by all accounts, just a wonderful guy to know and play for. And I also think the other thing that's really, that's really humanizing about him is he was open about his addiction, man. Like, addiction is a disease, man. And a lot of people listening probably suffer from it on different scales, right? Like, I have an addictive personality. No question since the day. I mean, we open up this podcast talking about our addiction to nicotine no question which has gotten a lot of people and i'm not likening it to to cocaine or what what have you or heroin or some things that people struggle with like mightily but like i'm just saying there's a lot of people that that are going through things that

jim ursay was graceful enough and open enough to talk about that and i think that stuff humanizes you and like he said on like real sports in 2023 he'd been to rehab like 15 times and it wasn't like a proud thing It was like, I'm a human being. And this is the struggle I've had my whole life. You grow up hearing his dad coming home drunk, shooting at his dog, his mom hiding in the closet. Like, you know, there's no wonder the guy had some demons. And, you know, like I think what it says is two things is like, number one, all that stuff that you accumulate in your lifetime, money, a pro sports team, guitars, like whatever he was collecting. his most prized possessions, it didn't make him immune from the pitfalls of humanity and just being

a person. And I think also, like, you know, I love this quote I saw. I was reading about him in the indie star. This is Greg Doyle article that he wrote yesterday. I love this quote. I've never seen anybody in a hearse pulling up a U-Haul. That's what Jim Rese said. For a guy that accumulated a lot of stuff and gave a lot away he gave a lot to charity stepped up for the indianapolis community a lot he said never seen anybody going to the cemetery pulling a u-hall it's dust to dust we're all equals and i truly think that was that was like how he really felt and for all his flaws i'm sure like with any person who has addiction there are people around you who are suffering as a result in different ways and and he made some decisions at times that were questionable he had some questionable tweets

he hired Jeff Saturday. That was a big thing. People were super upset about that. But I truly believe he did everything with his heart in the right place, which I think a lot of people say, well, that's not enough. Look at all the bad people with power in the world, man. And he had a lot of power, but I do not think he was a bad person, quite the opposite. I think he was a good person.

When you hear guys like Dwight Franey on Good Morning Football this morning or Brandon Stokely, the old wide receiver for the Colts, like just guys coming out of the woodwork, guys that I played with that loved him. He left a complicated, but really a legacy that he could be proud of, I think. And I just wanted to talk about him because I think in a room full of guys that to me are so fucking vanilla and so cookie cutter and oftentimes are so cowardly these owners, he led with his heart on his sleeve. and he was normal in the most tragic ways and and uh and it was it was humanizing and it was cool

to watch jim ursay go about his business even though he was probably struggling a lot and i don't know how he died that that's not coming out right now but um super sad he tweeted like eight hours before the yeah about the pacers and boy was that a jim rsay bounce yeah no kidding wasn't it yeah that ball went 30 feet in the air there's no way jim rsay didn't have something to do with that i i'm still like if not for jim urs say nix are up one nothing as a nix fan but uh but i just wanted to shout out jim rsa man and i hope they open the fucking roof every week this year that would be really cool a nod to jim ursay open that damn roof so he can look down he probably sees it anyways he's got sunday ticket up there but i think it would be really cool if they open the roof as a little nod to jim ursay

i know there's going to be a lot of of um you know remembrance around him this fall um um um I think the other thing is, and this is just like us in the room, you ever notice when somebody really powerful or great or accomplished dies, like you get the text message and you're like, oh my God. And five minutes later, you're making a sandwich. So live your life, bro. Like live your life the way you want to live it because nobody fucking cares. Really?

Nobody cares. In five days, we'll be over this. And I'm not saying everything I said in true, but like, live your life the way you want to live it. because when it's over, it's over. Like, and just the way you got that text message, I'm pretty sure 10 minutes later, you were like doing whatever you're doing. And so, like, just shout out to Jim Mercee, man.

Shout out to Jim Mersey. Well said. I think a lot of those guys put on airs like they are better than... Perfect. Better than everyone else. And he did not do that. It seemed to be a very genuine guy. Andrew Luck retired.

I think he left like $30 million on the table. A lot of owners will go after that money when guys retire, let him have it i feel like he to your credit like definitely character he had his demons but he fucking love football he loved indianapolis colts and i mean i think his players guys that played for him

like have a lot of respect for him too and he he loves sarah palin's feet yeah per his twitter and and in a week we won't do it now but i want to pull up like his best tweets of all time oh well maybe right now

in miami playing angry birds, in quote, in hotel room. One of them suckers hopped out of me phone and bit my dog Howard right in the ass. Too much caffeine. But that's what I mean. Like the guy owns it. There are alligators slithering about my box.

And the doors are locked and chained. Never smoke the snake dog without chain cutters and weapons. I hired the gimp. All fiction two to clean my reading glasses. He lives in a trap door in my owner's suite, but also does my grocery shopping. That was tweeted September 7th, 2012 at 5.24 a.m. Yeah, and maybe during some of these he was having a good time, but it's time to let the monster get out of its cage to feed and his picture of Jim just living.

Happy trails or you know, as you say happy trails. I don't want to say RIP. Happy trails, because he's on to the next thing. Jim's living another life somewhere. That's right. And he's going to be looking down on the Colts this year. And that guy who sings for the shoe had a really touching rendition of his little spiel that he taped in his car yesterday. Have you guys seen this?

The guy who says, for the shoe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Could have done two takes, maybe. Really? I like the authenticity. So, yeah, it sucks. We go from defrauding people in welfare to Jim Ursay dying, one of the most beloved football figures 65 years old too young but he probably lived enough in his 65 years to be 120 and and uh and you know

like he said one more time this quote i've never seen anybody in a hearse pulling a u-hall and listen it's easy to say if you have everything you're not you're not going to want for anything and life's going to be perfect but i think like take it from a guy who had everything he doesn't give a fuck and that's the way good way to live your life like the materials are not important it's the experiences the people and uh living your life So absolutely. Shout out to him for that Ursae bounce. The Knicks absolutely choked.

At what point your Nick fandom withstanding are we going to give credit to the Indiana by God Pacers for doing this over and over and over again? Dude, they're good. And your guy, your personal friend, Rick Carlisle. Talk about texting people.

You texted him? I didn't text him after last night. I've been sprinkling. text. You know, we dine together, we golf, we text. I haven't yet text them after that one. I think you need a couple days come down after that one. Twenty-three points in the final three-14 of regulation. I'm going to tell you what I did. I'm sitting there in the family room last night watching that game. Ball bounces 30 feet up in the air. Goes in. I'm like,

we lost. Then I could tell it was a two. So we got overtime. I get up and go to the bathroom and crank my hog. I don't even watch I don't even watch over time. I'm just like I know how this end. I know how this end. I know you rock the choke selly as well. Yeah, dude. It's exactly right. It might have been a Freudian thing. It might have been a Freudian thing. But I was like as soon as that shot fell, I was like, I just don't need to see this. Like I know what's going to happen. I walk back out and it's 136 to 135 in the Knicks lose possession you're just like damn but bro can you imagine if i didn't really do that if haliburian had done the reggie miller choke and then they lose an overtime i know that's you probably can't come back from that no you probably can't welcome to the

show a guy who's got a lot of wara had a chance to sit down and talk to him yesterday his name's derwin james honestly one of the best football players like pure football players on the planet um a lot of fun to watch. As a defensive back, if I had to watch tape of a couple guys, shortlist is going to be Derwin James, Jalen Ramsey in his prime, Buda Baker. You know I love watching Buda Baker. Chris Long don't know Buda Baker. Oh, I know him. And I think Derwin's just like that type of guy and I love talking to him because he just has that energy about him. Like you can tell if you play with him, you'd really like him. He leans in. He's smiling. He's answering every question. He not wait to get on the plane and go play football. I was trying to ask him about Brazil and

like everything goes with it. He's like, I just want to go play football. Got a very special guest today on the show. If the word football player was one word and it was in the dictionary, Derwin James would definitely be next to that term. And Jim Harbaugh said something just like that. He agrees. And now Derwin joins us on the show. Derwin, how you doing, man? Man, good, man. Happy to be here. How you doing, man? I'm great, dude. Thanks for coming. on the show. Let's just jump off right here. A lot of people would say, hey,

Derwin James is the perfect football player. You're kind of a Swiss Army knife. You do it all. Who do you think of as being in that class when you watch defenses around the league? Who's in that category with you? I'll say Cal Hamilton. He's a guy very similar. He does a lot what I do. Brian Branch, he's another safety I like out there. So I think those two guys. Listen, man, it's been a lot of fun watching your play, but I always love seeing you compete against the best,

get to see you play the Chiefs twice a year. You've seen that kind of dynasty take shape over time. And you've also seen them kind of change offensively as time's gone on. Talk me about the different ways that they can beat you and then just how much they've, they've, they've evolved as an offense. I feel like overall, man, they're a great team.

Like you say, they're a well-coached team. I feel like Andy Reid does a great job, putting them in positions no matter the players, right, there's Tyreek out there or the younger receivers that they have now. I feel like Andy Reed is doing a great job, coaching them, and then when you got a guy like Pat Mahomes who can make every throw, every play,

I feel like he's always going to give them a chance, you know what I mean? And I just feel like every year they're evolving. Every year, it's always a close game. It's a tight battle. And, you know, they're the team that we're chasing. And I feel like, you know, they're in our division. You know, I got nothing but respect for them.

But also, I want to beat them, though, for sure. No question. And I've loved watching you and Travis. I know I'm not the only one over the years battling, like, two of the best going at it. And it seems like y'all got a healthy amount of respect for each other. Talk to me about what that relationship has been on the field, the mutual respect, kind of the years battling it out with Travis. Yeah, I'm a guy, man.

I respect everybody, man. I don't come into this game with disrespect or try to, like, showboat on him. But I respect all my opponents. I just try to come in and just, you know, I want to win. I want to work hard. And every time I go out of games, Kelsey, I want, I want his best. And he knows he's going to get my best. And I feel like ever since I was a rookie, he was a little bit older than me.

I feel like he's seen that from the start. And that's kind of how the respect kind of grew, you know, just me watching him also, him making great plays. So I feel like nothing but respect for him. Is it what's made him so crafty as his career has gone on? on. Have you seen him kind of changed the way he goes about things? Or has it been the same old Travis? You know, you get through a season and people be like, well, I haven't seen him light up, you know, the stat sheet or that sort of thing. And then the playoffs come and it's like, man,

he hasn't gone anywhere. What has he developed in his game as he's gotten older? Have you noticed anything? I'll just say health and consistency, man. When you can be healthy and you can be out there every game, you're going to make plays. I mean, so I feel like for him, he's just the longevity. I will give it credit to that, you know, just for him being a available for my homes, you know, being that security blanket for them. So just being available, honestly. And when you deal with them, you got to deal with the scramble drill all day, don't you? Yes, sir, man.

It ain't no, usually to play four to six seconds with them. It can get up to 69 seconds. So, yeah, yeah. You got to keep playing football, man. What do you think bouncing around the division, Brock Bowers, man? Like, that dude's, is he special or what? I don't know how else to ask it. I mean, I just feel like as soon as he came on the scene, he just, he was

pro right away. Man, like I say, I respect everybody, but, man, Brock, Travis, even Ingram, man, those guys I go against, are going to go against this year. They're some of the best tight ends that this league have to offer. And Brock came in, man, man, last year he took the league by storm. I think he had the reception's record all time. So, I mean, that speaks for itself. We had two great battles, and he's only going to get better.

One more guy from Kansas City. I can't remember. Do you remember the, was it Baltimore where Worthy touched the ball the first time in the red zone and ran that reverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember, I'll never forget seeing that play and just being like, holy shit. That's the fastest person I've seen. Is he one of the fastest guys you played against, or does he kind of take the cake?

No, he's definitely one of the fastest, but I probably got to give it to Rik a little bit. Tarik was, yeah, it's just a little different. Wordy fast, too, but, I don't know, Rik was a little. Well, Rik's strong, too. Yeah, yeah, Rick. Like, he's way stronger. I think people are. Yeah, word is fast, too, but I feel like Tariq was a little different.

No question, no question. One thing I love about your game, dude, and I can't remember one of the, it might have been New England late in the season last year where I was like, man, this dude has been, I mean, you've always been a good pass rusher, good blitzer. But like you were on fire, man. You had all the pass rush moves and me being a former D-Liman, I'm watching saying he must drill this stuff. Do you drill that stuff? Malcolm Jenkins used to come over and work with us on his pass-rush moves, or is that just a natural feel thing for you? Yes, sir. every day. I just got done working with Khalil Mack.

It's crazy on my phone. I just sent him a video last night. I'm like, okay, that's how you turned the corner. So I'm working with Khalil and Bud Bud to Pre every day, man. And they're pouring so much knowledge on my game, man. And that just helping me every day. And I can't wait for the world to get to see it this year. Dude, I think I saw you bull rush somebody. Got to do it, man. Speed the power, man. Let's go. It's like a little long arm in it. I was like, man, man.

They don't expect that from you, man. No, I understand. Speaking of Mac, how long you think he could play? I mean, he's just, his power translates so well into his later stage of his career. I feel like he could go another five, seven years. Honestly, man, I'm not being no shit. I think Matt can go to five to six years, honestly. Just like, I'm not saying that, bro, because he's like the power, the drive every day.

He's the same every day, the consistency of how he works, how he approaches the game as a leader of the captain. Man, I scribe every day to be like them, like in the aspects of just how to approach the game, man. He set the example Hall of Fame Gold Jacket every day, man, of just what to do. Family man, off the field, man, doesn't complain, man, doesn't be in no mess. So, man, I love Khalil, man. One of the best teammates I ever play with, honestly. Incredible dude, incredible player. And, you know, talk about big, powerful people.

Y'all seem to have added a lot of size to your roster this year, man. Number one, Beckton coming over from the Eagles, just an enormous human being. And then the two running backs, Omari and Hampton and Najee Harris. Dude, I was going to ask you, like, they stand next to each other, I'm sure, in practice. Yeah. Like, who's bigger, bro. Like, they both 220, bro. That's what's crazy.

They both, like, look, 220. I don't know. Naji look, oh, it's like apples or orange. I don't know. It depends on, like, what looks you kind of want, you know? Yeah. It depends on the look that you want, you know what I mean? they both were in guys.

I'd be surprised if they were 220. I feel like they look about 2.30. The boy is big, bro. Dude. So what do you see so far from the rookies, man? Like anything stand out or specifically Hampton? Like, how's he looked? Man, I'll say, you know, it's hard to tell because, you know, the pads ain't on,

especially with the interior, you know, especially with the D-line and hands-off. But, man, in shorts right now, honestly, in the meeting room, what I can say, every rookie from R.J. Minkins to the D-Line, to Marion to Tray Harris. All those guys just been just trying to work with their nose down, bro, they haven't been saying too many words. They're just absorbing everything, man, and they like sponges.

And I feel like a lot of those guys are going to contribute big to this team this year, man. A lot of those sleeper guys, honestly. No question. And, you know, one guy who left in free agency this offseason is Joey Bosa. Yeah. I'm a big fan of. I mean, his game's a lot of fun to watch. And, you know, what are you guys going to be?

miss, you know, with Joey leaving and talk to me about what it was like playing with him because he's so chill. Yeah. Like he's so chill, but when he turns it on. Yeah. I'm a miss him, man, just every day, just at practice just how he is, his attitude, because Joey approaches the game way different. His attitude is just, he's more laid back, but he's a hard worker, man. He's more laid back, but he gives you that edge of just like, man, I love being out here, man. I love coming to work with guys like you. So I know he's going to do great. You know, I wish you. I wish him nothing but love. I know my time here with him has been nothing but love.

I know his mom personally. I know his dad personally. I got to meet them as Nick went through his adversity. So I know the family pretty well. I got nothing but respect for their family, honestly. Let's talk about the head man because he's just absolutely

electric. As somebody who covers a game, I'm just so happy that Harbaugh is back in it. Joey told me when he came on the show that that he gets in the cold tub in his khakis. Real story. It's true.

Real story, man. Real story, real story. Yeah, he in there full, full coaching gear, all, everything. Cause how about different, man. We love him. He's out on the sled pulls with us. He's one of the coaches that, like, in it. When it's fourth quarter drills and his time, after practice,

coaching line, man. We can respect that, you know? That's clear. How does he look on the bags? Man, hey, he ain't looking bad. You know, he walking, he's doing his thing. He's mobile. He cooks, cook good, man.

For a quarterback, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. How about the young corners, man? I thought last year y'all did such a good job with Asante going down. I forget which week it was, but it was early. And I know your leadership had to have a ton to do with, you know, Tar Heap still, for instance, stepping up and playing big. Like, you guys just young corners, take me inside of a facility.

when shit hits the fan a little bit with the depth chart and you got to bring guys up to speed. What kind of work are you guys doing to get on the same page and how long does it take? That's what's cool about the NFL. It was so many moving parts last year. We had guys that came in from Eddie Jackson, Marcus May. The secondary was constantly changing the whole year. But we always just try to make it about communication. If the guy next to me know where I'm going to be and I know where he's going to be,

it's going to give us the best chance to have success. So I feel like I always told guys, age limit ain't got no age on playing. And man, if you out here in your opportunity, I hear you need to make the most of it. So as a leader, as a captain, I used to just bring the guys up. We got to watch extra film or extra walkthroughs to make sure guys seeing the routes the same, no matter who's in there, just making it a point of emphasis that, hey, it can be anybody in here. But this is how it needs to look, this is the standard. And I feel like guys just, they suck it all in.

Like they were like sponges, like Tarheeb, Cam Hart, those guys, came in hungry, wanting to learn. They didn't come in like, hey, we have all the answers. They came in, want to learn. They asked a lot of questions, and the sky's the limit for them. Now, already in year two, you can see the difference from a rookie year and then a rookie playing in some NFL games. You can kind of see the transition.

So excited for those guys. It was like, I think it was the Atlanta game. He was catching those beach balls. Hey, you're going to, hey, that boy went to the house with one of them, man. I told him that, and it's a crazy thing in the game. I'm like, what motivates the rookies is so crazy. Because I used to tell, Tori, I'm like, you like, you like, you like nice things, don't you? I'm like, you keep making plays like that.

You're going to be able to do a lot of nice things. I used to tell them, like, and it motivates, like, it motivates all the young guys. I'm like, bro, you like, you like nice things, on them? You like, all the stuff. Hey, man, go make the plays, man. Make the plays. You can pay for that rookie dinner is that you probably had to come out of the pocket for a couple weeks ago. So, yeah, like, what I heard about you, man, is that you,

You love Madden and you're pretty good at it. I love Madden. How good are you at Madden? I'm okay, man. I can beat the average now. I'm okay. See, you're doing the humble thing, which makes me think you might be really good.

No, man, you can't give away all your sauce at first. You got to kind of, you know. Yeah. You know, I play with the Chargers? I mix it up, man. I play with the Chargers a lot, but I do a lot of, like, fantasy draft. I like to just get all the players in the league and just draft everybody.

I get the charges, then I just draft everybody. You know what I mean? Yeah. So what kind of coverages do you like to run when you're playing bad? I blitz the house. I'm bringing the house. You got to make a decision. Is either touchdown or interception?

Like I'm playing the game, touchdown or interception, bro. We're not playing zone. Yeah. I'm playing scared back there, dude. I'm playing coverage. I want to make you earn it because people don't have the patience to drive the ball down the field. No, bro. We sit in the house.

Maybe we get a turnover. Maybe we get a forced fumble. Once we get two takeaways, We were good. All right. We might have to set up a game. I went down the Super Bowl and whooped Sketch his ass. I don't know if that's good.

Oh, you play? I know, I know. You played them? Okay. The man. Yeah, Skitch the man, man. But you know they had that Madden party? I don't know if you went to that thing or you were at the Super Bowl, but.

No, I didn't get to go to the one in Louisiana. Yeah. So they were down there and they had it like set up outside. I was real proud because they had a line of people. Yeah. And it was like, play until you score. I scored on one play. And you got all the dots.

You got out of there. Touchdown, dude. It was amazing. You know, one thing we got in common besides Madden is we both played with Josh Sweat. You played with him at Florida State. I played with him at the Eagles, and I was a Super Bowl champ. How happy were you to see his success this year? I was so happy for him, man.

Crazy story. Me and Josh played at Florida State together. 2015, we came in together. And, you know, just to see him get that big contract, I know the adversity he went through coming in the high school to college, you know, he had his knee injury. He was a number one rated player. And then for him to just see him battle every day at Florida State, I just seen all the hard work that paid all.

I was so proud of him. Dude, it's crazy. If it wasn't for his knee injury, I think he'd have been a top three to five pick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, easily, man. I've seen the explosion. And I think he had got hurt on a field goal block play, like a special teams play.

One of his guys ran into him from the other side. But even from Florida State, he was battling back, man. And I'm just like, man, this guy, he's still, you still seen the talent. you still see the work ethic, the drive. And I was just so happy and proud of him. So tell me this. Young quarterbacks, and Herbert's obviously one of them.

He's not a young quarterback anymore, but I think he's incredible. I mean, he's got all the tools we could sit here and talk about. But the guys that you play, who do you think is next that doesn't get enough credit maybe? And this is going to be a big year for somebody in the league. Like hasn't really hit his potential yet, but will soon. Ooh, young quarterback. Who I like? I probably say Drake May.

He's going to be okay because he got Diggs over there. He got a liming. So Drake May, I feel like he'll be straight. Jaden Daniels, you know, I want to see him in year two. Yeah. C.J. Schrad, another guy I want to, you know, kind of see year three. So I say those three guys. I keep, I'm real curious to see what Caleb looks like with Ben Johnson.

Yeah, yeah. That made me nice for Caleb, too, you know, getting Ben Johnson, an officer of mine, you know, that may be. good for him too. No question. No question. All right, so a couple quick ones here before we get you out of here. South Paulo, I don't think you played in the Mexico City game. No, I didn't get to play that one. I think that was in 21 or 20 I was out. Yeah. So what do you think when as a leader of the team, I mean, it's obviously it's Brazil. It's probably a good time. You know, young guys are going to want to go out and that sort of thing. But, you know, having talked to guys last year, it's more of a

business trip. Like, I don't know how you guys travel. But what do you, what do you think? think about when you think about taking an international trip and keeping everybody on the same page and getting rid of the distractions in a situation like that? I feel like it's very important. I feel like always as a team, as an organization, even as a man, keeping the main thing is the main thing is the main thing. It's sometimes the hardest thing for us to do. And when you're able to do it, I feel like it's usually, it's boring at the time, but it's usually success for everybody. And I feel like, that ain't going to be a problem for us. We're going to be locked in.

Yeah, plus West Coast, you can just shoot right. down. Be all right. Pretty true. You know how long the flight is yet? Man, I don't care how long the flight is. I can't wait too. Hey, it can be five, ten, let's get there. You might have to, dude, did you see the way people were slipping last year?

For real? Hey, we're going to have a couple already. You get you in those seven studs, man. Yes, up. You're going to have liming pleats on. All right, so you had a really cool tweet when Antonio Gates, you know, got his flowers. And you said, hey, thanks for, I think I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, thanks for the advice, OG. Appreciate you, that sort of thing.

Obviously, he made a real impression on you, one of the all-time great tight ends. What kind of advice did he give you and how did he change the trajectory of your career? Man, when I was a rookie young pup coming in, him and got like Melvin Ingram, they was always on me. And they always knew I had a lot of talent. So when I used to guard Gates, a lot of times, he used to always like, tell me, just be patient. And you're already athletic. They can't run by you. He was like, man, just be patient and just move your feet and just play.

So, like, I used to always just take into knowledge and Gates. He had all the releases. Like, he got all the basketball receiver releases. So just going against him, it just kind of helped me so much. And him and Philip had a connection. Even it was the later in his career, they still had that timing, that connection where if I didn't, if I didn't keep my leverage, he could complete that corner route on me. So I had to just learn a lot as a young player, young safety, going against Philip and Gates.

And those guys helped me a lot, including Philip also with my back. blitzes and hey you're showing it like philip calling me out on it like i know you're blitzing so it's just a lot a lot of guys like that help me rivers will talk trash to the other guys too without saying a cuss word either it sounds like he cursing you out bro but he ain't even cursing you out bro bro i'll tell you all fair what he said but he cussed at me in 20 in 2011 or something like that yeah dude all right so last question for you thanks for the time all right so we talk a lot about uniforms on here look good, feel good, play good. Everybody knows a deal.

Y'all got some of the best uniforms in the league. What is your favorite combination to wear right now as a charger? I probably got to go all white because, you know, we ain't got the gold on the gold or the blue on the blue, so I probably got to go all white probably, you know. That's pretty good, dude. That's pretty good. Looking good out there, man.

Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you, bro.