Green Light with Chris Long - Devin McCourty! Retirement, Playing for Bill Belichick & Favorite Super Bowl Memories

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

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so next time you need to buy a car, just grab your phone, go to Vroom.com, and check out thousands of cars. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Today, Chris interviews an old Patriots friend, recently retired Devin McCordy. Talk about Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl losses. Devin having to listen to Chris, talk about the Eagles win in the Super Bowl.

Bowl over the Patriots down in Miami when they were on the vacation together. Devin's got some great Bill Belichick stories getting reamed out, but also the support he got over the years. Talks about Steve Belichick, the kind of coach he is. Mack Jones on the 22 Patriots offense, the Raiders game with Jacoby Myers trying to do the spectacular, the Miami miracle. Devin was with the Patriots for a long time. He's got a lot of stories, got a lot of info. We go through it all. Also, we'll be back with a very special Greenlight bonus episode for you on Friday. Won't be there every week, but this week we've got plenty to talk about, so we'll have

a little bit more. They call me a pretty blowing and low. We don't know green light, babe. So you feel good, but like, dude, you know that stuff wears off. Like next season, you'll be feeling really good physically, and then you'll be watching football, and you won't, like, it's new right now, but then, like, being free will get old. And I guess my first question to you said, we haven't even talking to you retired. Are you done for sure?

Yeah, I'm done. Man, I didn't know for sure. Towards the end of the season, I had the feeling I was going to be done. Then I had the small shoulder surgery. So I was like, you know, you're in the building, slates in the building every day working out. So I'm just doing my rehab. And I'm like, you know what? This week I need to get back into working out if I'm going to play.

And I'm going there for like three days. And I was like, nah, I'm over this. I'm done. So I have no plans on going back. Okay. Because, like, yeah, I mean, that was going to be the first thing I was going to ask you because, like, I feel like everybody's doing it now. They retire and then they come back. Yeah.

You know? I'm too old for that, man. I'm not unretiring at 36. No. No. Are you 36? I'll be 36 in August. Jeez, Louise.

Yeah. Look how you rounded up. Yeah, man. That'll be the football season. I'm not. I know. You're right. Yeah.

No, that's the football. football thing to do is round up. I'm 37. I'm 37 for another week. All right. So I'm going to hold on to all of it. I can. No, I like, dude, congrats first off. We haven't even fucking talked. And I just, I guess I'm not surprised because you are 36 and that whole thing. And I, you know, there's some background with the contract and that sort of thing. But man, what a good run, dude. Like, what an excellent run. I just, I know I bullshit with you a lot, but you should be very proud. I know you are, but like an amazing career, dude. I appreciate it, man.

That's what I've enjoyed so far. You know why you're playing. It's all about, oh, good year, but, you know, what are you going to do next year? It's all about getting better. So, like, once you know you're done, you're able to kind of look back at your career, think about some of the games you played in, some of the accolades you've gotten. And to me, that's been fun so far of just sitting there reminiscing. Even a quick little meeting I had with Bill, we kind of reminisced about our first ever meeting and encounter.

So that's just been fun so far, just being able to do those things as well. Yeah, and getting the text from people. You know, it's like retirement's cool because I always say this. Like, if you want to, like, if you want people to say something really nice about you, die or retire. Like, retirement is basically a loophole for us. Like, we can kind of hear all the nice stuff. And we're still, we're still, we're not six feet under.

So it's kind of nice to get the text and all the things that people wait to say to you. I would never say anything nice to you, but, you know, since you retired. It is funny, though, because it's like a lot of people feel like when you retire from football, like that is death. Like, people always like, what else can you possibly do if you got to play football for a long period of time? But it's cool seeing, like, guys like you talking to Jules and my brother, whoever retired, and now you look at what they're doing.

And I'm not saying it's the same, but to see you guys, I'm like, they're having fun. Like I think this is the second or third time I've been on your podcast, like, just having fun talking. So that also helped me out, I think, making a decision. Is there anything you're afraid of? Like, are you afraid right now? It's okay to be afraid of retirement because it is like it's a big empty slate. Like, is there anything that kind of spooks you going into it? I think idle time and not knowing how much like I'll miss playing.

Like you don't know that until you're done. Like last year, me and my brother talked about it. when he was going through the process and he was like, man, because there's no pickup football games. Like, I'm not going to be able to just one weekend decide to go, you know, get a nice run. So I think that does bring some fear because I'm healthy. Like, it's not like I'm retiring because, you know, my legs can't go anymore. I have a bad knee or something.

Like, I feel pretty good. So I'm kind of anxious to see when September rolls around or the Pats play a big game in December or something. I'm like, damn, I should still be doing that. But I think some of those fears will go away when I kind of know exactly what I'll be doing, which I'm working on now. Yeah, like the whole thing of, you know, there's only a couple ways to get out of the game. They're going to tell you how or your injury is going to cause it. Or there's a third one, which guys rarely do.

And they walk away while they're still healthy. And I just wonder, like, how long you were thinking about this thing. Because I can remember the back half of my career, I was always thinking about it. You know, like, you try to be present, but you also got a plan for the future. and you got to like try to time up that exit strategy. And I kind of wonder how much of it for you was like, hey, I don't want to play anywhere else. Like I don't want to move my family.

Like I know for me, I was like, I don't want to pick up and take my kids out and play for the Seahawks or the Niners and like uproot my family. You just get tired. I don't know. How much of it was that for you? Yeah, man. I think, you know, I've been very fortunate to be, you know, on one team for 13 seasons. So I think because of that, you get spoiled.

So like the idea of even picking up and moving. And me and my wife thought about it a couple of times because it was like, man, we'll go on vacation basically, like go play in Vegas or L.A. or Miami, some like nice location. But then you kind of actually put real thought in it. And you're just like, you know, my kids now, we had a school that they go to. We're back in New Jersey school system in Massachusetts. So everything fit in perfectly. But yeah, I spend a lot of time.

going back and forth. But when I knew I was really done is when I started to look at like what playing another season meant. And like the only thing I could really think about was like being number one all time and interceptions, trying to get, you know, 40 interceptions, trying to get to $100 million made. None of it included really all of the reasons I had played for 13 years, you know, going and winning championship where, you know, long run in the playoffs and things like that. I started to actually think about the things that I always said I wouldn't only play for.

So once that started happening more and more for me, this offseason, I was like, I think this is a sign telling me, you know, because the last thing I wanted to do was just come back and be shitty. Like I didn't want to ever play a season where it was like, you know, this guy is just bad. You know, as you get older no matter what, if you miss a tackle or you miss a play, everyone's like, yeah, that's because he's old. Even though you could still have a great season and play well, any bad play is because you're old. and I didn't want to come back and play a season where I felt like I was just really bad. Now you could still play at a high level, but were there things like,

I can remember things when I got to be 33, going on 34, the way you put it, but like, where you're like, this feels different, or one play where you're like, hey,

that guy's faster than I remember tight ends being 10 years ago. Were there moments over this past year or two that you were like a little bit humbled and you were like, ah, I'm still really good, but the game's changing. Oh, a bunch of times. And I think also, like, you know, like when you're in New England,

it's not like other places where you're like, man, that guy never practices on Wednesday or, you know, he gets, everyone made a huge deal because one week this year, I had a vet day. And, you know, so I made a big deal. Right? And it was just crazy. I had a bet day. I think it was like week 12 of my 13th year. And it was just like, whoa.

what is going on here. But I had a lot of those moments I felt like in practice too. The idea of playing a game and then practicing full speed on Wednesday started to feel like really impossible. Like I would go out there some Wednesdays and just I have nothing in the tank. And then there would be games. Even once we got to Sunday, I'd be like, this doesn't feel good. Like I would go to the facility. I went from going in like maybe three hours before the game to like now.

was at four and a half hours before the game to get worked on. And you get ready to go. And that's been the last like two or three years. So once all of that starts happening, like, you know, you know the clock's ticking. Like, you're just kind of on your way out. But I will say I enjoy it a lot of the time mentoring and still teaching a lot of those younger guys, especially in the safety room, which is always a lot of fun. Yeah, dude, it's like the older you get, the more time you want to spend with your family

if you have a family, your kids are getting older. and then the more time you actually have to give the game. It's like both those things are going, they're up, you know? And I think it just becomes harder and harder to justify. All right, on Tuesday, my day off, I'm going to be in the chair for 12 hours getting worked on. I'm not going to see my family. The entire off season, I'm going to need to go to a special place to train, the whole thing. I got to go to Germany.

I went to Germany for stem cell, like shit like that. And, you know, just all the little things that you do to pull out the stops, like there is a cost, you know, on the people around you. And so I do think that factors in. Yeah, it's definitely. Like you said, it's like those two things are going on a full speed collision. And it's like you know you're going to have to stop doing them, doing one of them at a certain time. But you just got to think we all as players have to pick and choose that time that it doesn't ruin whatever we have left, whether it's family. Sometimes it's other job opportunities.

Sometimes it's your mental, your physical health. You've got to know when to avoid that and get off that train. What are you going to miss the most about being a football player? And that's just like all year long being a football player. They're little things that you're like, I can't get that anywhere else. What would those things be? I think game day is probably one of the biggest. But I think for me, one of the things that, you know, I think is the leadership role.

Getting in a circle before the game and each man coming in there kind of looking at you to give like a little inspiration or a little fool for thought of what we're about to do. I think I really enjoyed that. At no point in my career did I really have that. Like in high school, I wasn't a captain. I wasn't a captain until my last year in college. So my time in New England, like I really like kind of flourished in a leadership role and being able to replace certain people that were in New England,

whether it was Vince, then Mayo, Tom, like those different guys that were like the ultimate the captain's there and then getting to do that with slate. But each Sunday knowing, you know, like I'm about to get in a circle and say something to these guys to get them going. But I think the thought of like those guys come in and anticipating that and feeling like I can't let them down. I got to bring my best each and every game and each and every day. I don't know where you, where else you can get that feeling other than your little

rug rats looking at you. Yeah, right. You know, they don't want to listen to you most of the time. No, they're in the circle, but they're looking off. They're not thinking about the game, dude. Well, all right, so this might be a longer list. And I remember I did this on the podcast, but like, what's some shit you're not going to miss? Because that's ultimately why you retire because there's so much stuff.

And it's, and it makes it easier to be retired because whenever I feel like I miss the game or like when I wanted to the NFC championship and I saw like all my old teammates celebrating beating the Niners are going to another Super Bowl. It was, it was okay for me because I was like, I know what it took to do this for them. and I wasn't willing to do that. And if I'm not willing to do all these things that I don't miss, then I can't possibly say I miss the game on that level where I'd actually think of it. What are the things that you aren't going to miss about the process? Obviously, training camp.

And then like I said really, and like training camp this past year, easy. Yeah, that's what I heard. You know, and I'm still in there like, man, I'm tired of this. But like, in reality of all the training camps I've been through, I was like, this is so easy. This is not normal. I think the training that, especially as I got older, like we talked about, that the last two years, like I started training, I think a week after the season.

It wasn't like this super hard training, but it was like always thinking about not vacationing, not being away too long to make sure I can keep that training. And I think the biggest thing for me is meetings. I am so happy that I don't have to sit in anymore, especially. especially when you're on one team for 13 years. We would start a meeting and guys be sitting next to me and I would start hitting all the things Bill's about to say. Because it's the same meeting, you've been in for 13 years. So just knowing that I won't have to sit in another meeting

about the philosophy of the New England Patriots defense and, you know, we'll have to be a smart, fundamentally tough football team. Like not hearing that over and over again. I'm kind of excited about it. But I know at one point I'll miss it. Yeah. Because like you said, being like watching, the only time I actually knew I was in retired, but then a playoff started.

And like when you watched the playoffs, it's like, man, like I want to be back in that. And, you know, and then as a month kind of went by, we got into March, I was like, I think I'll enjoy watching and talking about that game. It's fun. Are you going to gamble? I don't know, man. I'm going to see. I've never been big into gambling, but you, freaking jewels.

I always see the stuff y'all do all over my social media. Yeah, that's by design. We're trying to get you hooked in, bro. It's actually, it's a lot of fun, and it keeps you involved in the game and the competitive juices of having an opponent being Las Vegas and trying to beat Vegas, which you barely ever do. But it's really hard, and it's fun. It gives you something to pass the time.

I mean, like, never say never. And another thing you're going to love is the fucking fall. Like, dude, and the month of John, July. Oh, it's incredible. I don't know. You have to think about what's coming ahead. Oh, bro, the train that you can hear in the distance is going to run you over like, you know, the end of July. The whole month of July, I just remember it was always, I could be in the most beautiful place in the world, but I had this dark cloud over my head that people just can't identify with. But if you're a player, you know, and then, you know, like my first July out, I was like, man, there is nothing to answer to. The birds are chirping. Like, I can actually go outside and not think about, oh, it's hot outside. Oh, that reminds me.

me a training camp you know like shit shit like that so it's just so nice and then august and then the leaves change and i'm not all hopped up on tort all and i'm not you know shuffle into my bathroom trying to walk after the game like things are just and then you get to go to some games and get to tailgate and that's okay i mean there's a rather watch it at home but i it's pretty cool you got some good stuff that you're going to look forward to um one one thing i wanted to ask you about I was like, when you talk to Bill, was he surprised? And how did that conversation go? I know you guys shared some memories and everything, but like, was he surprised at all?

No, it was cool, man. I actually called RKK the night before because I found out he wasn't going to be in the building, which was also a cool conversation. You know, RKK was kind of like, you know, I'm happy for you, but I'm sad because I still want you to be on this team. And then I went in there and talked to Bill the next day. And he was like, man, I think you're making a good decision for, you know, yourself, your family. And it was like all just great energy, positive. Yeah. We kind of, you know, we talked about meeting for the first time.

We talked about kind of Rutgers. I know you love to hear. I love Rutgers. And just talk my career as of, you know, being a leader and different things that he's helped me with, that I've helped them with. So it was really cool, I think, for me. to come to the decision, but then also before I went public was go talk to RKK and talk to Bill. Because obviously they've been huge in my career, I think, to get drafted somewhere in a stay all those years. You know, it has to be a lot of, you know, fun and working together and, you know, keeping something going.

So, but it was what you would expect. Like, you're never going to go in there and think you're about to have like an hour-long conversation with Bill. That's not about, like, game plan and, you know, watching film. So it was a good like 10, 15 minute conversation. Like he wraps things up quick, dude. He's one of the greatest all-time patriots. I was going to ask over under 15 minutes, but it sounds like an under. Yeah.

If I had to guess, I wasn't looking at the time, but I would definitely guess under 15 minutes. It's just not like, and again, it would have been very awkward if we sat in there for 45 minutes. I don't know what we would have talked about for 45 minutes other than like, let's go. Let's watch them tape over it like your best place. like I would have told him. World War II? You could have watched some World War II stuff. Yeah, like, you know, watch some great games, you know, that, you know, he wanted my opinion on before I left the building, something like that.

Other than that, it's just not going to be long. But it was, for me, it was really cool, I think, because I'm only played for one coach. So I think our relationship and the way we've been able to kind of help each other out from a captain's role, sitting and talking about different things that we had going on. with our team, especially like all of the social justice stuff, we've had a lot of like very meaningful conversations. So to be able to sit in there and, you know, just kind of reminisce was really cool for me. What do you think's the maddest bill's ever been at you?

That was a great conversation. Like, how about a bad one? The worst conversation I've ever had with him, my second year, struggling, my second year. And Josh Boyer, my Cornish coach, set me up to, like, Boyer didn't like, he comes in, And I think we were having, I think I was supposed to meet with him. And it was like, hey, I made a cut up.

Bill wants to meet with you for a second. So I was like, all right. Man, I sit down in Bill's office for an hour. An hour. We watched, he started off with like three good plays from my rookie year, maybe four. And then for the rest of the hour, we watched bad play after a bad play, miss tackles, pass interference. like anything that I did for the last like two years at that time we watched the shit you thought

the shit you think you get away with when he doesn't call you out the meeting you're like all right no but we're never going to watch this play again oh I mean when I walked out in a meeting like mail saved me because I walk out and I'm like shit I'm going to get cut like I just watch a hour long film with the head not the defensive coordinator with the head coach about how bad I am. I'm like, this is, and I walk out and I tell me, I'm like, yo, I just met with Bill for an hour, bro, all bad plays. And you know, mail, male goes, I don't worry about that. He did that to me too. Yeah, it's when I wasn't playing well. He did that. And he might have been lying, but at the time, I needed that. I was like, oh, all right, I'll be okay then. Okay.

Mayo's doing a great deal. Mail might be head coach someday. I think he, I think he will be. I think there's a chance he might be the Patriots head coach someday. Yeah, okay, let's play succeed Bill because he can't coach to 100 years old. I kind of wondered, I wonder if it was going to be Josh. I thought Josh, when Josh came back, you know, after supposedly going to India and then coming back, I was like, all right, obviously he came back, you know, to be the next head coach. Then he goes to Vegas.

I think it's Mayo, though. I think obviously not a ton of coaching experience, but I think he has a great experience of leading men. When he left, obviously he was a great captain for us. when I was there, but then he left, got in the business world, and was crushing it in the business world. Even now, if you talk to him, like, I'm sure when he goes on these interviews, it's not just like this football player or this coach coming. You get like CEO vibe Shamele. He starts talking about different things. Like, I always laugh because he always tells us, and he says it to the media. He was like, you know, this defense, this defense is a blank canvas. And you guys, you paint whatever

you want on the canvas, just stay on the canvas. That's what we're trying to create. And he says that and I'll be sitting there like, bro, you're talking a bunch of football players. They're not putting all that together. It sounds like a TED talk. It sounds like a fucking TED talk. Exactly. Yeah. So he has those abilities that I think as an owner, if I met with him, I would want to hire him in a heartbeat.

Yeah. So like setting the odds here, a little gambling, he'd be like your odds on favorite. And then give me like a wild card maybe. A wild card. See, to me a wild card that shouldn't be a wild card. will probably be Stevie B. Will be Steve Belichick. He's a Belichick.

He's now been the coordinator. I know it's not on paper, but he's been a coordinator, right? Tudan coordinator for the last like three or four years. Defenses have all performed very well. And it's a combination between him and Mayo running it. But I think, obviously, if you hire him, you still get Bill. You still get everything, you know, that he's done. You get his knowledge because he's not going to just leave his son.

But I think both those guys will have a chance to be head coached someday. Yeah, and you get the, like, he's a little bit more toned down. Like, I really hit it off with Steve. He came on this show. I couldn't believe I had Steve on here for, like, 35 minutes. We were bullshit and telling stories. He was, like, out of his shell. Was it, when Steve, you first met Steve, was it hard to, like, I'm going to be honest.

Like, hey, listen, I got a dad who played and he's got a dad who coached. The routes are a little different because my dad can't get me a job as a player. But was it hard respecting him? in the beginning and like what did he do to earn people's respect and what do you think's good about Steve because I really respected him. I liked him as a guy. Yeah, not from me. I think the one thing that I've loved about Steve is honesty. Like I remember Steve takes over. I forgot who left. I think Pat Graham left, Flows moving to linebacker coach. And Steve said Bill tells him two weeks before the offseason program starts that he's going to be the safety coach. So he comes in there. Now he's

walking in the room. It's me, Pat Chung, Duran Harmon, Nate Ebner. So he's walking in and we got all these veterans. I'm older than Steve. Pat's older than Steve. He played with Duran and he's probably like the same age as Nate. And he walks in there, he goes, yo, I'll be honest with y'all. I don't know what the F I'm doing right now. My dad told me two weeks ago that I was even going to have this job and now I'm just sitting here like, I don't know what the, like what's next? Yeah. And that first year we all just worked together. And then now, so now when I look at him, I think his growth has come because of

honesty, not coming in saying like, you know, my dad's Bill Belichick, I was born to coach. Like, I'm going to do this. Nah, he came in there and it was like, I'm going to learn from some veterans that I got in this room, take advantage of that opportunity that I get and I'm going to grow as a coach. And I think now you look at him, the games he's coached in, you know, like the game we played against Tampa back in 2012. Like that's one of the biggest games.

You got Tom Brady coming back. It's one of our better performances of the year. We felt short. But like we went out there and played tough with Brady. And I think that has come from Steve just continue to build year in and year out. Cash app. The easy way to send, spend, save and invest with friends. Cash app helps you connect effortlessly with your finances and with your people.

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Go to athletic greens.com slash greenlight. That's athletic greens.com slash green light. Check it out. Was there ever a time for you? I was just thinking about it just as long as you've been there and all, where you were almost not a patriot? Like, was there ever a time in free agency or did you ever get to free agency? I remember we used to make funny because you had this huge contract.

We had the big, we had a big, uh, blown up picture of your name is like the, the market setting safety big time. But did you ever hit the market? Were you ever close to being traded or, uh, were you ever close to leaving in free agency? Uh, the legal tampering stuff made everything real.

Like it was once that started, I knew, I knew I had other teams that were interested in. Um, so the first time I was a free agent, Revis also came for that one year Revis was a free agent. So I think the team, you know, I'm the, you know,

born and patriot, we got to keep them, but it's like we got a chance to keep Dereo Revis. I think like once it fell through with Revis, I think that's when they came back. But that year, talking to Philadelphia and Jacksonville, I was pretty close and leaving. But I want to, you know, you've played a team for five years and then your fifth year you win a Super Bowl

and the team still like you still got Brady so I wanted to go back but I knew like I was I want to get paid and the night before free agency opens was Bill called me I talked to Crave talked to my agents and we got everything done by like the next morning right before I was actually going to ESPN that day but you know the crazy thing 13 years in New England I've never signed an extension I've always had to play out my whole whole contract and then go to free agency. Never, never have signed an extension. So everybody's always like, man, you've made a lot of money. And I'm like, it's because to me, that's the beauty. If a team doesn't allow you to sign an extension, like going into my fifth year, they offer something

super low. We countered super high. And then they were like, all right, you know, we're too far apart. We'll just wait to the end of the season. So I remember when I first heard that, I was like, oh, shit. not important. Okay. So when I got the free agency, I was like, all right, well, now there is no deal. Like, there's no discount. There's none of that. So that's why I made my, each time I got to free agency, I could choose where I wanted to go. So I used that as leverage. Damn, you were almost an eagle, huh? I was close to 2015. Do you, do you hate the Eagles? Like, you know, because of the- guy, I don't have much love for the Eagles. No, no, seriously. Like, you don't like, you didn't like our whole team, huh? No, the problem what I hate the most about the Eagles, it was probably during that stretch,

one of the teams I knew probably a ton of the guys. Like, when we were in Miami, after y'all beat us in a super, it's you, is Malcolm, it's Rodney, L. Lagarets on the team. Like, it's a bunch of people, me and Lane Johns had the same age. And it's all these people that have all these connections to me. And I'm just like, someone, like, a lot of you guys, I'm like, I consider friends. I'm like, I'm happy they won a Super Bowl, but I'm also like the whole time we were in Miami he doesn't. Everybody's like, oh, Chris, man, congrats. And I'm just sitting there.

And I'm like, yeah, I get it. Congrats, Chris. Great for you. You know what? You only had like seven of them. So I only got three, bro. You got two. I got three.

I get it. But yeah, I mean, you know, all the same team, the whole thing. Do you have a favorite Super Bowl that you played in? The one with my brother by far. And we go, we go three years in a row. win with you in 16, you guys beat us in 17. But in 17, it was like there was no defense on the field for even team. Like it was just up and down, scoring touchdowns.

So to go back the next year and hold the Rams who were like super high power to three points. To me, that was just like, all right, just put a little bit of a stamp and made last year. I mean, it didn't feel better, but just, I guess, not feel as the worst thing that ever can happen. to come back and win in that fashion. So zooming in on that Eagles Super Bowl, give me what Bill really thought about us. Did he think, did he respect us? Did he think, well, he respects anybody at that stage,

but was he afraid of us? Or like, you know how you can kind of get a tone or how coach feels about a game? You know, I've never, I've never heard him address a Super Bowl game differently. Like he's always been the same. Like, if we do this against this team, that'll be it.

Like what y'all, all we heard for two weeks was crush, rush, and chase. That's all we heard. These ends, they don't care about anything. They're getting up the field. If it's in front of them and it's a run, they're going to dive inside and try to make the tackle. Yeah. If it's a dropback test. Not me, though.

I like to play it by the book there, Dev. It was the 2016 in me that was where. Jim Schwartz was like, you got to get up the field more. I was like, I can't. I got to play my block. Your Patriot Way, stay with you. Yeah, crush rush it. That's good. That's funny. Yeah. Because you know, you coached with Jim Schwartz. So that's what he used to. That's what he talking about. Yeah. What about the Rams Super Bowl? What did you expect going in that game in retrospect? Did you expect to be low scoring like that? And what was the key for y'all? Was it girly not being healthy or what was it? So I'll say this. I would say that's probably the best I felt as a defense going in because it just seemed like we had like this kind of like,

super veteran group on defense because it was me, my brother, Steph, Chung, Duran, Jonathan Jones, High Tower, Van Nuoy, Trey Flach. Like, we had a group at this point that had played together for, you know, three or four years, a lot of the same guys. So as we just continue to watch film, and we're like, this team knows us. We play 95% man to man. And we're coming into the game and we're like, you know what? We're going to play 80% zone on first and second.

second down. So we just keep going over the game plan, keep going over the game plan, keep seeing things. So we knew if we did a good job against the run, it would be hard for them to live in the play-action world that they lived in. I do think Todd Gurley not being, you know, whatever was wrong with him, I don't know nothing really ever came out. But him not being effective, really changed the game. But I'll say throughout that game, we thought that they were going to give us something a little different at some point. But it was just like, I think we out-coached him. outplayed them that game. I thought our staff did a great job. You know, with B-Flo running the defense that year, I thought he did a great job of being

aggressive but also understanding we had lived in blitz zero and some key moments throughout that season. And our last two games against the Chiefs and against the Rams, the more we watch, it was kind of like we don't want to blitz zero these teams, like maybe once, maybe twice. And those last two games, I think we did it three times. And each time we did it worked perfect. Steph got the interception against the Rams. I was really decide a moment. Your defense was so different that year.

It was like adding Steph and those guys outside. It just changed everything you all could do. I mean, you mentioned it in 2016. It was like, I know that had to piss Bill off so bad because you lost the Super Bowl. That's one thing, but you lost it, you know, because the defense personnel wasn't what it usually is. Like, there were guys out there that I was like, no offense to some of the guys, but they just weren't up to y'all standard.

And, you know, I just looked at that. And I was like, they're going to reload. And boy, did you all reload? Like, y'all are not, y'all were going to win that game 13-3 if y'all won a Super Bowl. It was like Bill was going to make sure that you guys rolled it on defense. And it was crazy too because, like, we weren't good the whole year. It was like, we hit a patch in a season where it was like, yeah, we got to go. And then I think like that group kind of turned around and really started playing elite ball.

And I thought the year before losing Jonathan Jones and the playoffs really killed us because he was our communicator. We had Eric Rowe with Steph and Malcolm Butler, but like when Jay Jones was in there, he was the communicator. Those other guys, they don't talk much. So in 18, coming back and having Jay Jones healthy and then my brother come in, who was another good communicator, I thought really changed the group for us as a secondary and allowed us to play better ball. You mentioned Malcolm Butler. I'm not going to ask you to tell me why, but what was that like when like because I've talked to you about this. I don't feel like you had an answer.

Like man, man, you and me like you're my dude. You're not hiding anything. I don't know if you know. And you saw even at Radio Road this year at the Super Bowl, Malcolm was there saying he's going to have a book and a documentary coming out. Because think about if there was something to know, we've years past, all those guys on the team, you've never heard anybody.

Like none of us knew. I mean, matter of fact, the next year, I remember meeting with flow, and flow was like, hey, we just got to make sure, like, that whole situation doesn't affect the team this year. He's like, because he was, I look back at Seattle when we played him in a Super Bowl and they don't run the ball. He's like, it kind of seemed like that was the end to that team. Like, they never, you know, got back to the Super Bowl. That team was so talented. Like, that Seattle team had everything. He said, I just don't want that to destroy us. but like till his day I still don't know like the exact reason why he didn't play

I was sitting there when I saw he's coming out with a book in a documentary I said I can't wait to I can't wait to buy it I'm gonna be fucking yeah that's what Gillie actually text me was like yeah I'm gonna buy this book A-sat no question I'm gonna get the audio book I hope Malk is the is the voice I hope he reads the voice of his own audio book that would be well there'd be a lot of people that's not from down south that won't be like what the fuck is that. Okay, there's two games I want to ask you about that weren't Super Bowls and I want to know what the reaction was in the locker room and how the plane rides were.

Number one, most recently, the Vegas game this past year. Because I got to tell you, Dev. I know that you're retired. You can kind of laugh at all. But I was like, yo, what the fuck just happened, dude? I know everybody's reaction was that was that. And it was like the most unpatriot thing ever. And I just wonder like how that plane ride home was.

You know, the funny thing, before we even got to the plane, I'm walking out the stadium. And I hear, McCordy, McCordy, I fucking love you. McCordy. So I'm like, who's calling me like this being an a-hole? I turn around as Jules. So me and Slate walk back. Jules is like in the little club area. Yeah, which is really nice.

So before I can even get on a plane, we got Jules down here going in. on the whole game, cursing us out about everything that went wrong. But I always say times are different, man. Like, we got on the plane and I thought like it would be a little bit of a like, man, I'm like just quiet, just silence on the plane. Yeah. But it's like, guys get on the plane and it's just like, all right, well, that's over, laughing, joking.

Like, it's just a different element, man. And I was kind of surprised. but I think it also is kind of, I think this newer generation has an ability to move on even better. Like when I was in college, I remember if we lost a game, we'd be like this on a plane. Yo, we'd all just,

yeah. Like, no one would talk. And sometimes like, I'd be drunk, though. I'd be drunk and quiet. But I would be like, is this what's best to like move forward and play to next week? No,

it's something in between. It's something in between because everybody processes it differently. You know, you can't be the guy that's like, shut the fuck up like on the plane after a loss like that's not going to win the game we should where was that where was that during the fourth quarter you know and a lot of times on teams that are unraveling a little bit like you get a lot of that you get a lot of tight asshole where people after the fact are all mad at each other but there's no like there's leadership you have leadership but like

the guys that are all mad like where were you in the third quarter yeah like our plane ride was kind of chill like you know i mean honestly there was probably small groups laughing about it Because it's like, what else you, what else are you supposed to do? Like, we're on the bench as a defense, and we're like, all right, we're going to overtime. Kind of pissed that we let up the touchdown to drive before to tie the game up. But it's like, yo, bet now we're going to. We were actually talking about overtime. Then we had two moments in that game, right before the half, me and Mayo, they're about to punt.

We're about to punt me and Mayo's down there. Josh doesn't, Josh McDonnell, Josh doesn't call any timeouts as we're on our. last like couple plays so now we're about to punt and me and ma'am i'm like may i don't think they're going to do anything they're going to take a knee five seconds later we snapped the ball nobody's ready they block a punt and it's like so they end up scoring before they score before they have and in that play at the end of the game whereas like you get on there and you're just like you know what do we really just witness well no i have to ask because i big fan of jacobi mire and i'm glad he got the bag and It's ironic that it's Vegas.

It looked like he had started his tenure there early, but like... Did you see his press conference? No, what did he say? They asked him about it. And he was, he started laughing like, man, I've been waiting on this. I knew y'all was going to ask me. But that's why he's such a great dude. He talked about the growth he got, not from the player or anything.

He said, what he really saw was his teammates coming and consoling him. He said, so it taught him how to be a better teammate for if somebody else is in a bad situation after a tough loss of how to what's the name a great great dude man what'd you think about when o'sai made that fucked up play at the sideline in the a c championship because i think they might win that game uh he pushes mahomes out of bounds and then jermaine pratt in the in the hallway is like you fucked it up this is my last game and the funniest thing is he resigned with the bangles and free agency so it's not his last game and i was kind of like i've never been the person to like you can't change would just happen right exactly

Like you just, there's nothing you can do about it. And the last thing I want is a guy that I'm going to need to depend on later just wreck his soul. So he, so he shrinks in the moment the next time. You know what I mean? Yeah, I've always felt like that.

Like, I don't think, I think like from the outside looking in, a lot of people think leadership is like cursing people out, being loud. But like, I've never thought that. I've never been around somebody that's done that.

And I've been like, man, that's a great leader. Yeah. So what is leadership? Because to me, it's communication. is like number one like if you're a great leader you got to communicate you know you got you got to

people when somebody's having a hard time you got to go go you know pick that person up yeah I think one of the biggest things is like sometimes being like the player a whole like there's always going to be moments that the coaches want you to do stuff and you just don't want to do it and it's going to be the whole group and it's like sometimes it's being that guy like hey man everybody shut the f up like this what we got to do yeah let's go do it let's go knock that out and not jumping on the why are we in full pads why like why are we doing this it's deciding like i probably don't do this shit either right now but overall like this will help us win and i'm going to do that and i think the other thing is like developing a relationship with the guys on the team like why is

matthew slater such a great leader to so many different people he has a real relationship with everybody like he spends time talking to people getting to know their family background like to me that's leadership like anybody can stand in front of you know that's leadership like anybody can stand in front to you yell and scream but like if i know if i know you and i know you're why and i know your family i know that you play some tough years in st louis you came to new wing when you just want to win you like if i know those things about you i know like in a tough game or if you're having a bad game like i know what to remind you of how to get you going again um to meet as leadership like yelling at somebody that had a bad penalty like he knows yeah he knows

he's going to know the rest of his life he's going to know the rest of his life no i mean you're so right though and and it is like but to do the thing you just talked about i think the number one thing with leadership is giving a fuck about the people around you yeah like you can't be a leader without caring about the guys on your team because if you don't care about the guys on a team that comes through in every interaction uh yeah like you've had guys that are leaders that you be like you know they're just leading because they want they want people to see them with the camera breaking down the team yeah like and it's so obvious because of what they talk about it'll be about them or it be about it won't be about the individuals around that because they don't know that and

they don't care. But like you're around some leaders. Like even Tom, like I saw Tom and Tampa worse did an interview and he was like, yeah, I don't even have Tom's number. And he texts them and was like, hey, this is an upgrade your lease on your car. And he's like, what? Who is this? Now I'm just joking, buddy.

It's Tom. I never wanted you. They'd do another interview and say you didn't have my number. That's good. Like you do something like that. That's like you're paying attention to what's going on. Yeah. And like when you're,

especially when you're him, like your teammates like, man, that's pretty dope. Yeah. Yeah. No. And it's Tom Brady.

Yeah. You know, it's like he doesn't need to give a fuck about me. So the second game I wanted to ask you about was the Miami miracle. Down in Miami, the big, the big hook and ladder festival that beat you all down in Miami. That game I was pissed because I was, I got taken out to bring to bring Gronkin.

Mm. Oh. And he looked like a Jake out there, dude. No, the ball was on like the minus 29 or 30. And we go last play, jump ball. And I'm like, who's about to throw the ball, 75 yards to get the ball? Like, who like, what are we doing? Yeah.

So then like the play breaks out. And the funniest thing, but not funny was this happened. So I'm pissed. So I'm right on the sideline as Drake's scorn. So I run right in the locker room. And if we win the game, we win the division. So it's a hat and t-shirt game. All the hats and t-shirts are on the chair because we're up six seconds with them on the negative 30.

I run in there and Brendan New is in there, runs full speed. Get the hat and t-shirts out of here. Get them out. And the other guys on the equipment staff were like, what? What happened? We have been lost. So the panic of those guys Because the last thing they want

Is like Bill to come in there and see it Oh, he light the block room on fire, dude Oh, that was one of the worst But again, the next day we come in there And Flo comes in there To us as a defense and he goes Listen, everyone might not say this around here You guys didn't play a great game

Defensively. He said, but you guys play good enough to win. we failed you as coaches. I don't care what anybody says to you. You played well enough to win that game. We failed as coaches. Now let's not let that affect the rest of our season. And I thought that was just the realest thing to come in there because, you know, in our business, you'll hear like the cliche, you know, like we lost as a team.

But then like the rest of the meeting is watching the film of all the wrong we done. Like it's never like, this is a bad cold. that's a bad call. Like, I blew that. No, it's never, no. Him coming in there saying that not to, like, a couple of the guys, him saying that to the whole defense. And, I mean, the next week we even went down to pit and lost again.

But I thought that, like, created a kind of bond with the group of, like, all right, like, I'm down to go to war with this guy for the rest of this year. Like, if we lose, we lose. But I'm ready to go all in with them. Watching the B-Flow thing from the outside looking in, what are your thoughts? the last couple years like the whole miami stuff yeah just like the whole you know firing and some of the the the accusations of uh you know i'm not shocked um by what b flo's talked about but what were your some of your thoughts watching a guy that you respect kind of go through this because i got a lot

respect for bflow too we got a good relationship although when he comes on the pod he came on the pod bro and it was like right before the pod turned on we were like yo see long yo we're just like all catch it up just shooting the shit and then the the thing comes on and he's like uh he's like bill like he just talks like bill the whole time and i'm like where did my friend go but i think it's like you said like you're not shocked but you are shocked that somebody was like you know what i'm tired of this i'm gonna i'm gonna say something about it um i even i even text him after like hey let me know how i can help you and whatever man or um but i would say anybody has been around him you have a ton of respect for who he is as a person.

So to see him go through, it kind of suck. But, you know, I felt a huge shout out to Tomlin, bringing him on the staff and now seeing him go back, not back, but go to Minnesota to be a defensive coordinator again. I think when you get to be around him, you know that you're getting a good football coach. And I'm sure. And you saw even in Pittsburgh, like, Pickett talked about flow helping him get better at his two-minute drive.

So, yo, Flo's a linebacker coach. What are you talking about? But I think how well respected he is like, you know, he went to Miami, had two winning seasons. You know, he got fired, but it was kind of weird too in a way because it's like, weird. You know, he has two winning seasons. You fired.

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all right so the current events just to finish with this man like brady is he done like the question i asked you because i feel like he's not done yo i think he's done until miami kind of worked itself out i would not be i don't i'm not saying he's going to but i would not be surprised if he decided like, y'all, I'm living in Miami now. They just got Jail and Ramsey. They got a lot of things that can go right over there. Two against one concussion, I would not be surprised if he came out there. Like, just knowing him, the thought that he can throw the ball to Tyreed Hill and Jail and Waddle.

Like, I could see him very excited. Little BBs in the middle of the field. Little BBs, man. Man, he would crush it down there. All right, so the guaranteed contract thing with Lamar and you're following along with that whole thing. My take on it is I get why owners don't want to give us guaranteed money. I'm also a player, but I also understand why they don't want to give us the money. And I understand why not everybody would want to give all that up for Lamar.

Like, I get that. But I also do believe that there's probably a little bit of collusion. And I do believe that if I were a GM, I'd entertainer. the thought of giving up two first for this guy and the guaranteed money. I know that might fuck the whole bag up for the owners, but like, what do you think about guaranteed money and what do you think about the Lamar situation? I think there's no doubt all the owners who are good friends. So whatever owner, let's say like, let's say Mr. Kraft is really good friends with, I don't

know, name of owner. Let's say he's good friends with the Hunt family in Kansas City. When Deshawn Watson signed that contract, I guarantee they call each other and was like, yo, what the hell are they doing over there? And call a collusion or not, we're business owners. We all invested in one business, the NFL. We all have our 32 divisions in that business and we all want overall the business be successful because you know how the NFL works. It's all pots. So even if we're the worst team, we still make good money being a part of the overall big business. So when we see somebody make a very bad overall business decision for

the brand. I think they all were like, what are we doing? Now, are they colluding against Lamar Jackson solely? Kind of. But if you were to ask two years ago, three years ago, hey, you guys didn't give anybody fully guaranteed contract, they all would have said no. So like, this isn't new that they don't want to do it. It just looks worse now because Cleveland did it with Deshawn Watson. But I think it's tough, I mean, because I think Lamar Jackson is fighting for the overall player. And I don't think other people realize that, like, he's not fighting just for himself to get this guarantee money.

Like, he could have signed a deal two years ago and be right back on the market, probably in like three more years to sign a five-year deal, do something like that, get all that money, get three. So he could have signed a deal for 300 mil, play out the whole deal, and then get another deal for 250, 300 mil again or something. But I think he's trying to fight to push guarantee contracts. what I hate most about this is he can do this all he wants but if those other guys don't follow it's kind of kind of be for not like if Joe if Joe Borough um if all of these guys don't don't

what's the name uh Herbert if they go and sign you know the five year 300 million dollar contract or the long one like a home sign which I wouldn't be mad at them like right right right right That's the, because some guys get mad. Like, some guys get, like Jordan Poir, I think, signed a sort of a team-friendly deal, like a little bit more stretched out. Like, and he's an all-pro safety and all that. Like, you know, some guys are like, hey, I wish he signed for more money. But I also understand that some people do take team-friendly deals and spread the cap out

and all that sort of good stuff. And some people don't get, like, for some time, the deal's not there. Like, we look at Gardner Johnson. We look at Poirer. Like, Jesse Base was the only safety that jumped on this market. And like, bad team picked him up and paid him. He got 16 a year. But like everybody else hasn't been in that range.

Yeah. And, you know, Poir's 32. He took a deal that he might have been able to get a little bit more somewhere else. But it was probably like get a little bit more somewhere else or continue to build on this brand. Yeah. That I now have in Buffalo. Yes. Which to me is like when you can do that, like Poirer, if that team wins a Super Bowl,

Poir will be a part of like one of the guys that I get mentioned every time they talk about that Super Bowl team. Yes, because he's the kids, it'd be the first. And the value in that is you can't put that on paper on a contract. That value is like that pays for itself the rest of your life. I remember Jules said that to me. He almost left. I forgot where he took a visit.

And he came back. He was like, Bucks, where am I going to go that they're going to love me like this? They love me in New England. And when you think about it, when Jules even comes back now, like he would have those pop-up shops everything he had at the pop-op shop would sell out because he i mean he's he's a new england example small tough you know yeah why did i say that uh all right so so pat's outlook man i got to tell you i'm really excited about bill o'brien i really am uh i'm excited to be done with whatever that was last year i love i think everybody's excited about that how fucked up was that was

that and how awkward because you like those guys but it's like bro the crazy thing is yeah it looked better during the season than it looked in training camp oh like if you go by training camp I'm like this is not good like at all like this is not good yeah but again I said it all you those two guys are really good football coaches yeah we just had to do something that was very hard to do that they've never done bro I wouldn't like I wouldn't like watching you play guard a lot. So, I mean, credit to them, which I know a lot of people won't like hearing, that it even looked the way it did because they took something from like the ground and did all of that

throughout the year with no true offensive background. Yeah. Like, there wasn't like they could go and pull out their playbooks from years back of what to install. It was all like figuring it out. Yeah. So, yeah, I think there's going to be, I think, so much just. positive energy and what's the name with Billy O, who knows what he's doing. He's done it for a long

time. So I think there's going to be a ton of excitement with just Billy O being in there. And I think even talking to Mac, like his relationship with Billio being in there now, talking ball, seeing some of the things that he's done before. I'm excited for the group. I think I'm not going to lie. I would have liked to see Jacoby back over Juju. Just my personal feeling. I thought, I just think Jacoby is a guy. He's undrafted free agent who pans out because of hard work. Like, I remember Bill, I remember Bill saying to him, you know, one time like, yeah,

and you're slow. And it was because, like, the dude worked on his speed. So, like, he looked faster. Like, he was running faster than when he first got in the NFL. So, like, to me, when you have guys like that, that, like, when you look at Jacoby, you can guess that his better years are still in front of him. I just think having that in the locker room for young guys, and I think especially in that room over the years, you know, you lose Edelman. We really haven't replaced that room with a guy who is New England culture. You just don't have it.

You know, you got Kendrick Bourne, you had Aguilar, you got Devante Parker. All of those guys are from other teams. So now you have Juju in there, another guy from other teams. I thought Jacoby would have been a great fit for younger guys that you bring in there to say, all right, like, this is how I become a good football player. Like this guy wasn't rated high. Didn't come like and look at him now. Like he's the best receiver on our team.

I don't know Juju personally. So, but I think that they're going to need that leadership. From the outside looking in, you wouldn't guess that you're going to get that over there. Yeah. But again, I don't. I don't know them so you could be blown away. No TikToks in the building. That's for sure.

You're not allowed to use your phone in the building and take pictures of yourself. I wonder how that's going to work out. Rules change sometimes, man. Yeah, that's true, but maybe not for juju. No disrespect to juju. He's a good player, but he's not the type of guy that changes rules. Speaking of a guy who might change some rules, okay, D'Andre Hopkins is a guy that, like, some people have fantasized about being

in New England. You could tell the adoration that Bill has for him, like, as a football player in that miced-up moment where they met on the sideline. I don't know if you saw that because you were actually playing the fucking game. But yeah, so like, you know, I get excited thinking about something like that. Do you think a D-Hop thing could happen, what happened? And then do you have a short list of players that you would just love if there were no cap issues, if you could just open up free agency that you'd love to see Bill coach that are in today's game?

Because there's a couple players, I'm like, man, I'd love to see just knowing the way Bill looks at players. Like he just, when they're on another team, he'll covet somebody, bro. Like, he'll just, you just see him like with the pointer like, look at this motherfucker. Like, who is it that you could see in a Patriots uniform that might never play for the Pats? And do you think D. Hop could be one of those guys? So I definitely think D hop. But what I always hate is even a guy like D hop is like Bill gets him like later in his career. Yeah.

Which would have been cool to see like in his career. I think Aaron Donald is another guy. because of how special he is. But I'm even saying like a guy like Lamar Jackson because everyone always sees, always talks about his limitations. And in New England, it's all about let's play to your strengths. So I would be very interested if Bill had him

of what he would be like, hey, let's do this with him, let's do that with him. Let's actually go play to his strengths, which would be pretty cool to see. Playing to your strengths. I don't know that always happens in New England. If you're like a three technique or right now. But no, I mean, I see that's what I always heard about New England.

But I think Lamar, I would I would love to watch Bill like lean into that. Yeah, the way he just embraces the deficiencies or whatever it is and make something like that. I would love to see him either coach because New England hasn't done it in years. Yeah. Some of these guys that come out in the top 10 of the NFL draft. Yeah. Like every year you get like some of these guys who are even top. I'll say who are like man-childs,

but you only hear about them ever getting coached by Bill of when they're 30 plus. Yeah, exactly. Because you never have a chance. Like I remember Tomlin told that to Chase and Washington. And he was like, man, I hope I never have a chance to coach guys like you because that means I'm last in the NFL the year before. Exactly.

But it's true. Like you never get to see him work with, you know, like a Richard Seymour who was drafted six overall. And then you look at what Seymour was. able to do. I think he says Seymour had like six sacks in college. Yeah. And you look at what his career in the NFL Hall of Famer. So like to me, it would be interesting to see him be able to coach some of these guys. I'm not finishing like, you know, come out in the top five in NFL draft too. Well, you got a lot of time to watch, man. You, uh, you got nothing but time. So maybe

we'll see some of these guys, man. But I just, uh, I don't want to keep you any longer, man, I'm just appreciative of the time. And I just want to congratulate you one more time, bro. Much respect. It was fun. You were a great teammate. And I think that's the best thing somebody could say about you. Obviously, a great player.

But you made it fun to go to work in a place that, quote, unquote, is not fun to work. I think it was, I thought it was pretty fun. Well, you told Lane Johnson all the bad things. You guys are so fucking funny. You guys, here's the thing about you guys. Wayne Johnson's like your best friend on the team. Yeah, no shit. Most negative things.

What's he going to say next? that the, oh, the world is, is, is round. You know, like, you guys love to, to, to put this, this persona out there that is not fun there. And then when somebody's like, hey, it's not fun in New England. That's what I hear. It's like the end of the fucking world. You see that, don't you? I never said it wasn't fun.

There just might, there might be some funer places out there. Oh, Devin Courtney said there might be funer places out there. Put in quotes. But for the record, I didn't tell Lane that. He just, he went. bro you got the same age as him you know how he is uh all right dev mccordy 13 years congrats bro it was awesome man it was awesome to watch yeah man all right how long junior still my favorite he is your favorite he'll love to hear that i don't know if he listens this deep in the podcast

all right bro go enjoy your family man thanks for the time all right bro