Green Light with Chris Long - Dion Dawkins Says Josh Allen Is The NFL's Best QB + Bills Mafia & Chiefs Rivalry

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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One of the first times that I knew that he was different and special, Josh did his first hurdle. He's just in a different bracket. Everybody's not jumping over guys and landing and still running. But 17 is a special dude. When he speaks, we listen. He barks, we bark with him. He barked, and it was just like, cool, we're all barking together.

One of the things that really entertains me about the Buffalo fans is they seem to bring props to game day and throw some of them on the field. Dildos. Yeah, so we'll throw Dildos at you. Welcome to the Green. Light Podcast. Thank you for tuning in today for Chris and Dionne Dawkins. If you think Josh Allen is Dionne Dawkins' favorite quarterback, you are correct.

Plenty of praise hyped on 17 from Dion. Dion also talks about his love of Buffalo Bills fans, the passion they have, and some in-depth offensive line techniques. A blast and a half with Dion. Enjoy the entire conversation. And we'll see you later this week for Stanford Steve and Week 5. NFL previews. Welcome in now to the Greenlight podcast.

One of the best Buffalo Bills on the field, but also one of the most entertaining Buffalo bills off the field, all everything tackle Dion Dawkins. What's the word, dude? How you doing? You're already snowed, dog. What do? What do? What I do?

What I do? What does it do? What does it do, man? It's freaking Tuesday. Is this your day off? Oh, man. You are one. No.

It's never a day off. I literally am in between community stuff. I ran home just to come home to Rock and with you earlier today, bro. I was, what did we do? So I had like a sweet, like a, I guess you call it a sweepstakes or like a, like I had a thing called snow days, right? Snow days. And I let the schools, the classrooms enter a chance to win me to take their class on a

field trip. So there was like 400 and like. in like 70 entries, right? We were only like going to pick one class. I wanted to pick them four because there were so many. So today was the first day. We were out there. Started at 10.30.

We got done at like 2 o'clock. Had a meeting at Spot Coffee. And then now I ran home for this. And then after this at 4.30, I'm going to, it's called Huddle for Hunger, where we feed a bunch of people. But Tuesdays are my big community days. I dive all in. And I mean all in, bro.

Like, this is the only day that you could really take the helmet off and really just be free. And I choose to give it all to the community because, you know, while you're in it, I feel like you have the biggest impact. So I want to be that. Dude, you just said it. While you're in it, you got the biggest impact. I'm pretty sure you'll have a big impact long after you leave the game. But, you know, as a 40-year-old man with the foundation, I can tell you, it's a lot easier raising fucking money when you're out there making plays on Sundays. That is crazy, bro.

So just good on you, man. Good on you. You seem like the type of guy we've never met, but you seem like the type of guy that everybody you meet is a friend because you seem to treat everybody with respect and you bring that enthusiasm to your off-the-field stuff. How easy is it to get enthusiastic about Buffalo, the community? Because it feels like to me it's like a college town.

I don't mean that as a slight. I mean the scale of the city, how close everybody is with the, the program. It just seems like a second to none set up in that way. Yeah, well, great question. I think Buffalo is like, it's like being at Alabama without knowing what college football or the SEC is. This is like the SEC of the NFL, what I would say. This aura of what it feels like here is like being at Alabama. The tailgates, walking around in the community, going to Target, going to grab some wings, some guys come in, they grab a beer, whatever. It's just,

the feel of what it would be like. I can only imagine this is what Alabama feels like with being an athlete in Alabama, right? Take all other stuff out. Playing football, this is Alabama football in the NFL aura like because of how they love their team, how they ride behind us, how they're die hard, how they have tattoos, how they jump through tables, how they throw ketchup and mustard, how they, you know, fight at the games, how we win games, how everything. This is what I would imagine Alabama football would be like.

That is what it's like here in Orchard Park in Buffalo playing for the Buffalo bills. Man, you encapsulated that pretty well, and it makes perfect sense to me because the one thing I hate about pro football sometimes is how corporate it feels. But you're in one of the few markets that it probably feels like college. And when I've left college, I miss college ball for that reason. Now, I don't know what Temple felt. I played at Virginia. Okay, okay, okay. We almost crossed over because I got to Philly in 17,

and then I guess your rookie year was 17, so you were in Philly for, what, three years. Yep. Yeah, so definitely a big jump, but it probably feels like a smaller jump, considering the kind of community it is. Speaking of the fans and jumping through tables and shit, one of the things that really entertains me about the Buffalo fans is they seem to bring props to game day and throw some of them on the field.

Dildos. Yeah, so. They will throw Dildos at you. They will hit you with a Dildo if they don't like you boy. I'm telling you, you got flying dildies. Dog, they got, and some of those things are like, like, I don't even like, like, like, deadly weapons, man. I'm like, what's the closest one ever hit to you?

Nah, la, nah, but they don't throw Dildos at the Bills fans. No, like at the bills. No, the dildos get thrown at the opposite team. I know, but you got to be in the area sometimes. Nah, nah, they make sure that we're not in the area because they don't want no smoke with us. They don't want no smoke with us. Uh-uh.

Ain't no smoke with us. No, no, but I'm telling you, Dave, like, since we're talking about this, look, they have thrown some of them, you know, have you ever seen, like, like some of them, and they're like them giant king con. Don't know I'm telling you, bro, it is crazy I'll be like, look Look, when you're going through a metal detector

There's no way somebody believes that There's no way There's no way. There's no way They come in there with these bazooka Throw it on the field I'm like y'all are crazy I'm like y'all are crazy But I love my people

That's what they do That's just what it is You come here, you talk your talk You're going to get hit it's a little quirk and it spread to the wmba did you see it spread to no it's crazy it spread to the wmba too they were throwing the fucking dilltoes i think throwing them and the w nbaa is worse that's crazy that's crazy i agree because when it hits the court it makes like a big thud you know and everybody what's disturbing to me is that's that there are some builders like it shake the screen look

You have to shake the room. Oh, I'm disturbed watching Bill's games, so I'm like, I didn't even know anybody was in the market for fucking dildos that size. But anyways, let's talk about the tables. What a guy. Have you ever jumped through one of these tables? I have. I've jumped through them. I've had fans that have begged to be thrown through them.

The whole deal. The whole deal. Now, how does it feel? I mean, they obviously protected you pretty good when they threw you through the tape. You know, or you jumped the table. I jumped through mine. It's like, yeah, you know, WWE, right? It's not, it's, you know, it's just, like, most of these people realistically,

now, I don't want to say this. You know, I don't know. Like, the tables are usually used on all day. So they kind of get like a little, a little softer. And then you jump through them and you're... It's really not the table. I worry about it's the ground because I want to come up. I came up for camp last year, but I haven't been to a game as a fan.

And I want to jump off the top of an RV, but I don't want to, I don't want a concussion. No. Or break your shoulder or something like that. Yeah, that'll be stupid. You try to land on the table and it's just like. So I'm not missing. One, I'm going to tell you, brother, me and you are not Jeff Hardy. And we are not Rob Van Dam and we are not built to jump off of RVs.

No. Or do swan tom bombs onto tables right now. Yeah. Now, if we practiced, yeah, we can pull it off. But just on a regular, I'm five beers in and I'm trying to land them, nah, uh-uh. It's going to end bad. But for us, for the, you know, the buffaloons, they kind of are molded to it.

They've been doing it since they were babies, literally. Like, when people have babies here, they have, like, these little baby tables, and they, like, hold their babies and, like, they crack them through them. So these people are. That's one of a kind Dude That's some funny shit Speaking of home games

At the stadium up there Which is the last year at the stadium Which is probably Feels pretty historic Every time you walk in that thing But then this week If I'm not mistaken You're gonna be wearing

Those rivalry threads Those white Snow white It's snow white I think I think it'll be cool Right And you said it

You hit it first It is the last year for us to play in this stadium. So for us to do cool things like this and have this cool jersey that everybody likes and it looks cool and everybody's excited about. And it's supposed to be a whiteout at a night game. You know, it'll be it'll be aesthetic, right? It'll be loud. It'll be everybody to be juiced up. This would be one of those games where everybody's not wearing blue.

Everybody's not wearing red. Like they have to get out of their comfort zone and just put on a whole. new thing, right? Like, cowboys wear white every game, right? Like, this is a whole new, it'll feel like a whole new place because it'll literally be nothing but white. Nothing but white. The faces might change. Might be some black, might be some Spanish. I was going to say. Might be some Puerto Ricans. You're really describing happy valley. You know what I'm saying? But the jerseys are going to be white. And that's the beautiful part about this culture here. Everybody comes together. And when it comes to,

to the bills, everybody is one. And, you know, and it's a beautiful thing. And I say that with the utmost and respect. But there's a lot of different faces in the stands. But they're all cheering for the greater cause of the Buffalo bills. So I salute them. Speaking of the greater cause of the Buffalo bills, you got probably the most important job on the team.

Bodyguard to who I think is the best quarterback on the planet. Yes, yes. Now, that's not taking anything away from anybody else. I just, I think what he does to elevate his team is incredible. And what you do obviously is so important. You know, what do you think was the big difference for y'all when you switched to Joe Brady a couple years back? Because it felt like for him specifically, a switch went off where I don't know if it was a different way he saw the field or a different prioritization of how he was going to play the game. or it was the run game.

I don't know what it was, but things have been different since. What did Joe Brady bring to Josh in y'all's game? I will repeat this. That is a great question because I try to figure it out. I think truly, Brady has brought a cool,

professional seriousness about the vibe. He's from Florida. You've had Florida teammates. You can relate. their culture, they're just real hip, right? Like, like, Joe Brady's, like, he's just, he's, he's a white dude from Florida, right? Like, that's the one way you could describe it, and I get it. You can't even say it no other way.

He's, he's a white dude from Florida, right? So he has that, he has that swag to him, he has that culture to him. He just moves in a different flow, right? And when we're in 2026, we're about to be in 2026, ending of 2025, The culture is different, bro. Like, you have to be able to relate to your coaches and the language barrier has to be there. And it's not just like these ancient coaches that are teaching you that's been, this is the right way to do it. We've been doing it like this since two days.

Nobody wants to hear that, bro. Nobody wants to hear that. Yes, you have to run the ball. You have to block. You have to catch. Score touchdowns. Do what we do. Brady has just made it.

So we all know he has our back. He's going to put the guys in the right position. And he just has like that, like that. Like, we just be vibing. Like, he calls it. We, we execute. We know that he's not trying to do too much. And he's just going to vibe out and we're going to do whatever it is.

And then he's calling. And we, like, we have a great respect for him, right? Like, to the point of, like, you are our coach, but we see you as one of the guys, right? And he never crosses that, that line. Because, like, you've had coaches that have crossed that line and try to be your best friend and da-da-da-da. He don't cross that line,

but he's just at, like, a beautiful line where he's just like, I'm one of the boys, but I'm coach, brother. I'm coach, right? I am the O.C. I'm coach. And we see that. We respect it. He don't try to go too far right. He don't try to go too far left. And he's just there.

And as a player, you could just respect that. You could just respect it. And for a guy that had to come in when bullets were flying and do what he did, he already has that respect of what he did from the plays that he called and how he coached and how he handled practice. He was already there. Like he came in and been like,

I've been waiting for this my whole life. You know what? Y'all run. We're not doing this right. But that's not him. He just kept the calm, cool, and collect. And, you know, didn't wait for the fire alarms to go off to, to or didn't wait for the house was on fire to check the fire alarms, right?

And it was just a vibe. It was just a calm, cool vibe. So I think we vibe with him. But the overall, he's a white boy from Florida. Yeah. You know, Florida, Florida dudes are one of a kind. One of a kind. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM.

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area of the field, but the thing that always impresses me is the way you run the ball as well. How much of that is not taking anything away from the players, but having a coach like Aaron Kromer, who coached my brother way back in the day, and he used to always talk about how great a coach he was, how he had everybody on the same page. You guys seemed to play together really well. When I watch the best offensive lines in the league, they move on a string, they communicate. They ask a lot of the tackles. You guys are asked a lot of you and Spencer.

I mean, you're left alone a lot. What does Aaron Kromer bring to that offensive line room? What differentiates him? I think Kromer in a hole. Kromer is, yeah, he's one of a kind. I'm blessed to have him. I'm honored to have him as my coach. I'm so comfortable going to work.

I'm not all uptight. I'm not all nervous and all. None of that even exists when you are coached by Cromer, right? When you're doing what you're supposed to do, it's the best place to be. Simple as that. It's the best place to be, best coach to play for as an online coach, right? Not to say nothing about the rest. I loved Juan.

I loved Coach Weas. I loved all of my coaches. Bobby Johnson, like, they was all cool. But Cromer is just one of those guys that, to to dumb it down, right, for the people that listen, right? Like when you're coaching football or when you're coaching or even teaching a classroom, let's just think about coaching the football team but also teaching a classroom. You're teaching a classroom and you have a student that looks at his videos to learn.

Okay, this symbol plus this symbol means that we are in a division equation. Parentheses are here and it's going to get us this as the answer, right? Coach Cromer understands that everybody learns differently. That's first of all. And that's the biggest thing that you can do as a coach is know how your players learn. Me, I don't like to be into meeting and know all the, I don't, that I can't do that. I like to keep mine, X and O's keep it. I hate to say it as dumb, as simple as possible.

Dion needs to get from here to here. What is the easiest thing to say? what's the easiest thing to call for him to know that he has to get from here to here. And he does that all the way across the board with each individual guy when he's coaching. Right? Like he is okay with Dion, turn it off. Connor, I'm just talking to you here. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

This has nothing to do with you guys. Don't listen to nothing. I'm saying. Dave. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Osiris. Spencer. Da-da-da-da-da.

And that is a beautiful thing. And then he coaches. us individually to our strengths, right? Like when we weren't recording, you was like talking about how my kick slide and it's different, he coaches me within my natural way of playing football, right? And this comes down to like the ancient coaches of the take three kicks backwards, then throw your hands and yeah, come off the ball and I want you to go boom, boom, boom, boom, ha, no, or this, this, no, none of that.

he coaches it how you coach it find your base find your rhythm find your hands find your balance do what you do play your game right we're blessed that we even have like a somewhat older group like where you don't have to do all that extra stuff to get to the point and i think chrome he will go down as one of the best in history um if there is a hall of fame for coaches which i think and that there is i'm telling you he's one of those guys and all of his players will back him up because Chrome is just a unique type of coach and he does it right consistently. Well, I think you said it, man.

I think the great position coach is they can coach every player different according to the player's strength, the player's personality, the style of learning. And, you know, when I watch you play, we were just talking about, as you alluded to, before we got on here, the first thing I said to you was like, dude, I love watching play for a while. but as a former D.N. I'm always like, how the fuck would I rush him? Because you really switch it up. You've got a very unique set.

How would you describe your set? And would you agree that you set more like a, you kind of think like a D-Lyman, it feels like. It's very true. It is very true. I take the offensive lineman part out of it because the world hasn't adapted there yet. I don't want to say that I'm ahead of my time.

Might be. But realistically, right, the defensive ends are elite athletes, elite athletes. Miles Garrett, Parsons, you got Dexter Lawrence, all these great pass rushes, all these great defensive players. There's no way that one way of you coaching is going to make me win this game. I can take what you're coaching, and I might. win some reps, but realistically, for the duration of a football game, I'm going to eventually lose. And I don't want Josh to get hit at all, all right? So I have to change it up. I have to jump over. I have to cross step out. I have to get out and get back. I have to go flat and get back.

I got to act like I'm cutting and come back up and then chop your hands down and then play what you here. Put the hand out here just to come here. Like I have to do so many different things just to keep the de-the-lemin off balance and have them just, jump and just like do that just real quick so I can attack. So we're the course of all of O-Lyman is just the wall, right? It's just a wall. But realistically, we are a wall, but we're all individual doors, right? You have to get past each individual door all the way down the line of scrimmage.

So my door, I keep my door very, very, very ball and hook where I can open just to slam the door back in your face, like type of thing. And I take that mindset when I'm playing because I'm not just going to set backwards and just let you just run into me and just for me to just take a hit and just be strong and anchor down and lock your back out. I'm like, bro, I want to be able to walk. Like, I want to be able to have fun in 10 years. Like, all I've seen what that does to guys, I'm not doing that. I'm going to protect Josh the way that I know how to protect Josh. I'm going to get that wide split.

I'm going to do what I do. And I'm going to protect them. You are correct. It is different, but there's no word for it. Unorthodox, maybe, like, you know, carnival style. You never know what jack of all traits he's going to give you, but he's going to throw a curveball at you every rep, every rep. I would say crafty because when in doubt, I would sink a long arm.

And with you, you really got it as a rush or keep your head up because you're going to snatch that thing down. That's one of the things you do really well. You just also mentioned, like, hey, setting out wide and that sort of thing. All right, let me put it this way. I'm a rookie offensive tackle, and I'm, not competing for your job, but they're bringing me up in the system. And I want to know, what's the first thing I need to understand about setting for Josh Allen?

Know that you're going to have to block in weird positions because you'll never know where he truly is. You'll never know where Josh is truly at. But the gift and the curse about it is, because you don't know where he is, Josh is aware that he's out of his frame. Josh is going to make us right and then make himself right. And we have a very special. quarterback here that can do that. Some quarterbacks are just going to do that and then, oh, fall and give up a sack. Josh will get us out of sacks more than we get him into sacks. But I would tell that, rookie, I would tell him, understand that you have to block longer

and just always have balance. Just have balance because you never know if the D-line is going to see the quarterback and go this way randomly and you won't know why he's out of his rhythm. You got to have your balance to go right and left and even backwards to go right to protect as a left tackle. most jaw-dropping play you ever seen him make. It happens every week. I know, it's every week.

But actually, last week, last week when Josh said basically, F this, this is not about to be a close game anymore and just took off running and then got the first down plus another 10, 15 yards. That was crazy. But one of the first times that I knew that he was different and special was when I was younger, this might have been Josh's rookie year. We were playing against the Vikings in Minnesota. and Josh did his first hurdle.

And when he did his first hurdle, you obviously, he's just in a different bracket. Everybody's not jumping over guys and landing and still running. So I said, well, he obviously has that tool bank of skill that he can adapt to being elite. And now we see the elite quarterback that he is eight years later. And he's just showing up every week. But every week, he does something.

But I would say the hurdles, the runs, and sometimes even like when he goes like to the sideline and it looks like he's about to run out and then just tosses the ball and down the field and then it's a catch for 45 yards just like damn like yo we are jogging on the field

damn that play in the snow last year with Coop and him and the low red I mean it's just the play is never fucking normal or over dude and the worst part for rushers is like they always say stay on your feet don't fall for the okie doke

but it's kind of like Mahomes he'll be four yards down the field doing this yes the motherfuckers are you know The way he manipulates defenders is crazy. Yes, it is true. So I heard you mention this guy, Jackson Hawes. And I think, I think blocking tight ends are a dying breed.

That's nothing against, I sound like old man now, but like I just, when I got in the league in 08, they were all 280 and they all gave a shit about blocking. The way you talk about this Jackson Hawes kid, he can really move some bodies around. Is he Lee Smith level? You are on point, brother. You are on point.

He is Lee Smith level. Size-wise, like, you know, Lee Smith, if you walked in a building, like, you would think that Lee Smith was a left tackle, right? Like, he was a tackle. But, Hawsey has a bigger frame of the average tight ends, but he is the elite level of Lee Smith. And I say that because, you know, tight ends, these playbooks, they're making a tight-ins block. the most elite rushers on the field. And then that's usually where most of the Dianz are getting their sacks. Not to say that they can't

be tackles, but most guys do get sacks off of the tight ends, which I would get a sack off the tight end or I would feel disrespected if they're asking the tight end to block a premier rusher. And Hauzy is just one of those guys that if we put on

an elite rusher, we know that we have a significantly larger percent chance to win than the average. Who doesn't get enough love on your group? Who's underrated? We're all underrated.

We're all underrated. We're all underrated. We're not all pro every year. Connor, Connor is great. Dave Edwards. Like Dave, like, look at Dave's film from the last game.

Like, Dave is chucking away. Ain't nobody saying nothing. Dave is throwing guys around, pulling and hitting guys, blocking guys down, calling Mike points, doing this and doing that.

Connor, right? Connor has Connor went from left guard playing it next to me to now the starting center right like nobody's talking about Connor Osiris Torrance. Osiris Torrance is by far the best guard in the country even for his age. I think he's the best guard in the country in his class and then in the and going with all the OGs because like you know like it's slotted. Like you you're against everybody like who you get drafted with and then it tiers up. But like he and then Spencer Spencer's like Spencer's like Spencer's like. a little and nicked up now, but Spencer, like, went from struggling to be a right tackle

to now being a pillar, a premier right tackle, right? And he went from really struggling where we were like, this is, this is it. Like, it's either you come on or we're going to move on. And Spencer did his thing, and he's doing his thing. And he's six, eight, six nine, six, ten, whatever the hell he is. Yeah. And doing it. Moving, running downfield, smacking guys. And then you got me right like yeah like like i'm still fighting like i'm still fighting right and i know my ability but you know we're all still fighting man we are all still fighting and it's going to be a continued fight because the old line is always the oh it's just the big boys but realistically we're a bunch of skinny guys trapped in big guys bodies so yeah for sure bro i think you might have a

little d line in you too i know i've said that a couple times but the spencer brown thing that you took the words out of my mouth i got a lot of respect for guys that go to the brink, have a hard time, because it's fucking hard to make the transition. And it's one of the hardest positions in the NFL to play, if not the hardest one, tackle. I mean, I just, there was a moment where I wasn't sure if Spencer was the guy, and now he's, you said it, one of the premier tackles in the league.

How mental is the position? And when he was in that rut, what do guys tell him? Or did he just work out of it on his own? Spencer kind of just listened, learned, and understood that it's either you want it or you don't. And he just made his mind up. He just made his mind up. He was always a finisher.

And when he developed his set, like his set is his set now. Like he's not being coached on how to set or you should set like this. Spencer is going to set like how Spencer sets. And he's going to do it. And once you get to that position as a tackle and you learn how to punch, and you learn your body balance and you learn how your body moves and this and that and all the natural movements of getting backwards and then throwing your hands where you could fall out the window and you could keep your chest up and your head up so nobody swat your hand down or that's where you got it and Spencer just clicked and he clicked and it was like that set ain't look like the other ones yeah let's see how it goes over 40 reps in a row cool He looks the same. And then now let's see how he's finishing blocks.

Hmm. Now that's different. Now he's running down the field picking up running backs. That's when, that's when you know that his mental and his confidence and everything is there. And so he just grabbed it and he did it on his own, but he listened. And then he learned the chop down stuff.

Like I'm teaching it and I'm helping guys learn it and, you know, taking it and run off with it. I don't care. I want his auto win. Keep 17 clean. The rest don't matter. Absolutely. Newer teammate here.

I wanted to ask you about who the fuck did you think Matt Prater was when you first saw him. Boy, I know. He's an old head. I thought he was a coach. I thought he was a coach. Really, it was really like, like a question. I was like, who is this old-ass dude in the locker? Like, who is this dude?

And then three days later, he has to kick the win and Philgo. So it was just like, who is this old dude, man? Who is it? I don't know who he is. I've heard of the name, but it ain't really ringing bell. else and who is this old-ass dude with these skinny-ass legs in our locker room. Bro, he gave me age dysmorphia. You know what that is when you don't know how old you are?

Because I'm 40 and I was watching the game pulling for y'all. And they put him on TV. I'm like, this guy must be at least eight years older than me. The motherfucker's only 41? He's only 41. He's only 41. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling me, he looked like that he about 53.

Yeah. That game was a damn barn burner, dude. And it feels like Baltimore is a team that you've gotten to know very well. You know them anyways, but over the last calendar year, you played them three times. And every game's been different. It felt like it was a real struggle offensively, the first of the three matchups. Talk about what you had to do after that loss to get to where you beat them in the playoffs and then match up much better to open the season.

You know, I wish that there was like a dialed up answer, but you kind of just have to flush it. Flush the losses, take them to the chin, and move on. Because when you're in this league and there's, you know, I don't want to count anybody out, but it's been the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs. You know, I love how the Chargers are playing. I like that quarterback.

They're playing well. But it's been Phil's, Ravens, Chiefs. And we know it could go, there's great quarterbacks and great teams on each side. So it is, and what it is, you take it, how you take it, you go back to the Johnboard, and you keep on chucking, because flush it, don't let it eat you up, but let the pain fuel you and just go on and see what happens next time. No question. I just, I kind of wonder what y'all talk about, if anything, down 14 or 17 in the fourth,

where it almost feels like there's nothing to be said probably with your group because you can. And you've shown that you can. I like in that game to like, I don't know if you used to watch the Western Conference when, you know, like in the NBA, when the Warriors were really, really, really good. And it was like no lead was safe. That's what it kind of feels like watching y'all play right now. If you're up to scores, it actually is almost worse than being in phase because y'all going to turn it up a notch. It is, that's a very respectful thing to say.

so I will take that respect. And now that I realize that you're talking about the Ravens game in week one, Josh, I put it like that, Josh, because my mind was definitely floating. It was floating because I'm looking at the score. I'm looking at Derek Henry, run up the sideline, I'm looking at him stiff-armed guys. I'm looking at him do just some crazy stuff, and I'm like, bro, all right, and these guys got our ticket right now. But Will, it's only week, in week one, it's cool.

And Josh walked down the sideline, he said, we're still in the game. I said, all right, guys, we're still in the game. Come on, let's go. I'm like, all right, yep, whatever he says. Come on, let's go. So that's what that was, right?

And, you know, when you have a guy and like that, that makes his mind up that we're still in the game, that means we're still in the game. And that's what you're seen. We're still in the game. So we can always be in the game. But 17 is a special dude.

And when he speaks, we listen. And he barks, we bark with him. So he barked and it was just like, cool. We're all barking together. He makes sense. He's not going to get you. But if he was like, you got to play this weird-ass board game with me, you're not going to play a weird-ass board game.

I'm not playing it. I'm not playing it. I'm not doing it either. That's not for me. It's too slow. Uh-uh, dude. Y'all, y'all have had to deal with a lot of injuries. Obviously, you know, I think McDermott and Babbage have done a great job, like covering for guys

when they're down and that sort of thing. And, you know, right now you got some guys down. a couple guys suspended, but you saw him in camp, Ogun Jobi, Hoyt from L.A., who's a really versatile player, Maxwell Harrison, like, how excited are you to see the second wave of guys that are going to join your team at some point this season? And who stood out? Well, Larry, Larry's in year nine. I've known Larry his whole career. I train with Larry coming out for the Combine in Pensacola, Florida. Hoyt, Hoyt's a good energy guy. He runs around. He runs like to the ball, which we could all love. Max is he.

and young, beautiful, talented kid that runs fast and doesn't he's supposed to do mentally. But I think, bro, like, it sucks that they're out, right? Yeah. Because we see what we have. Yeah. And our guys are playing well. They are. So they are just going to have to come in with their head's high, play hard, and just wait for their card to be punched.

because everything is flowing. It's flowing. And not to say that I don't want to change anything, but of course, pieces are going to be moved around and things like that. I get that. But our young guys are playing well. You got to tell Landon, I said, what's up? I met him at the Sacks Summit over there, big tall, tall-ass rookie.

He's got a Crosby frame, dude. I was like, you need to spend some time with that guy right there, Max Crosby. That's perfect. How about Joey, man? long time one of my favorite players and you know he looks he's just a complete player like the way you watch him play the run the way you watch him handle a read option you know he rushes smart he's crafty what have you like learned from him just going against him because i feel like when you when you face a really good player and practice a lot you do learn something you pick something up

from each guy water joey is like water that boy is just fluid. He's just, and catch your hands and he'll just like, that's Joey, right?

So he's, he's just fluid, man. He just moves like water. Very consistent, very calm and just relax and just, mm-hmm,

wow, mm-hmm, like it's just, it's very fluid, very fluid. Like he, it don't look like he's trying. Yeah.

And he's just, that's what it is. But having them around, it's a beautiful thing. A lot of people said, oh, we don't know about Joey. I'm like, bro, Joey's back. So Joey was, it was never gone. He just needs to heal up and just be in the right place where people love him. And he's at the right place where people love him. And he's enjoying the culture of being a part of Buffalo that he sees and what everybody talks about.

Because it's real. It is real. Being here and having team dinner after games and doing stuff. Like teams, teams don't do that. Like, everybody goes about their own ways. It scatters. Like, this is a place where everybody is together and Joey is feeling that. But he plays like water.

But his mental is right. He wants to be here. And it's a place where we are loving on Joey. And who does not want to be a place where they're loved on? Dude, you're talking about Buffalo. I'm getting hungry thinking about Barb Bill and Ilios, two places that I hit when I went up there. I'll be sure to hit those up again and won't jump off an RV when I come up.

but I am going through a table, dude. Yeah, I love it. And if there's time, I'll watch you do it, brother. Hell yeah, dude. Well, hey, I appreciate the way you play and enjoy listening to your podcast-related stuff. And obviously, the work in the community is great, too. So you're doing it all, man. Keep up the great work.

Thank you, brother. Much love. Yeah, dude. Thanks for coming on. For sure.