Green Light with Chris Long - Drake Maye Has Lit The NFL On Fire & Unstoppable Kansas City With Nate Tice & Beau Allen

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports and the Football 301 podcast joins Beau Allen to yap some football midweek! Nate and Beau discuss the success of the Kansas City Chiefs coming off their Monday Night Football victory over the Washington Commanders, and the dominating connection of Rashee Rice and Patrick Mahomes. Then the fellas dive into Drake Maye's play - his deep ball passing is literally the best in a season we've ever seen. We continue onto discussing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers outlook in the NFC South, the Minnesota Vikings and Green Bay Packers in the NFC North and a few trades that would be fun to see before this year's NFL trade deadline. (00:00) - Hello (02:27) - Kansas City Chiefs (12:04) - Drake Maye and the New England Patriots (17:30) - NFC South (22:43) - NFC North (36:08) - Around the NFL Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I thought he was way more accurate than people were giving him credit for. But he's been even a different version of what I was expecting is that how accurate he's been underneath. He's been like a freaking late career drew briefs. I always call the Eagles offense, the Enron offense. Too many stars to fail. May was my one in that class, but I'm still high on Kiel. People wanted to go to the fireworks factory and they're just waiting for it to get there. It takes time, man.

It takes time. You got the Butter King here, mid-season Yap. I'm joined with Nate Tice. Check out his film breakdowns and general football. discussions, football yaps, if you will, on football 301 on Yahoo Sports. Tice, how you doing, brother? I'm doing great. How are you doing, Mr. Butter King?

I'm superb. It's superb. I know. It's superb, actually, yeah. Going into Week 9 superveness, no, I'm doing great. Great to see you. Yeah, and then fun fact, Nate and I played high school football against each other. Nate was a quarterback, Eddie Dina, the Hornets.

I was, yeah, boo, fuck the Hornets. I was in a noseguard at Minotanka. then you'll see his Badger football helmet in the background, my jersey. We played together at Wisconsin. Covered them up. Yeah, we've mutually agreed to not talk about Wisconsin football on this podcast. Like, I'm like, you know the meme of the kid at the desk who's like got the veins popping out? Yeah.

That's how bad I want to bitch about it. But I say a lot privately. There's a lot of chat, a lot of text messages I send out, but I don't publicly say anything. And then finally when I heard that Luke Fickle wasn't allowing scouts to go to practice, that's what that's actually the thing that put me over to top. where I actually was like, I'm going to tweet something. I have a platform. I'm going to use my platform.

Not for charity purposes, not for social justice or anything. It's a complaint about NFL scouts going to Wisconsin practices. And that's what set put me over the top. Actually, I did see a tweet where someone, I think they tweet at you saying like no one on Sunday night football from Wisconsin because there's a lot of badgers in that game. Everyone said their high school. Yeah, Keanu Batten rep, Janesville Craig High School. Fun fact, actually, that's where my mom went to. Really?

Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. I know your parents went to Wisconsin, but I didn't know your, I thought they went to high school in Minnesota for some reason. Yeah, my dad did. My dad was a cheerleader at Wisconsin. Mom's from Jamesville Craig.

Yeah. So anyway, since we're not talking about exciting Wisconsin football, we can talk about exciting Monday night football very briefly. Can I tell you my favorite thing about the game last night? When Rishi Rice got the taunting penalty, in his defense, I think he was legitimately, it looked like he was trying to throw the ball to the ref. I thought, maybe not. You're a former player, so yeah, you're going to side with him.

But yeah, continue. And then the broadcast just put up his, like, felony stats. Unbelievable. They had that ready. They were like, okay, just wait for him to get flagged for something. Yeah. It was like the Tyree Kill Thursday night football when they, like, were, I just thought that was Someone was just like hot on the button ready for that.

Yeah. They're waiting for some stupid penalty for him to get. He had, he had a defense there. He had plausible deniability. But it's one of the things. Once you get a reputation, it's just, yeah, you're not going to get any benefit of the doubt there.

That might have been the highlight of the game. To be honest. Just hit the other player's helmet so perfectly. It was like, doink? I don't know. Anything else stand out for you from Monday Night Football? No, the chiefs are rolling now.

And I know as you feel like it's passe, it's tried to be like, oh, they're good, but they're good. It's, it's, you know, they're the stats I look at. They're a top five offense. They're scoring on over half their drives right now, which is ridiculous. This is the highest they've scored on their drives, 51% since 2018, which was Mahomes' his first year. The run game's solid. It's not explosive, but the passing game's getting explosive now.

And he's pushing the, Mohams is pushing the ball. And then spags is spags. You know, so, and the DBs are getting sorted out. out. So we did a power ranking show is on football 3-01, and I was like, yeah, chiefs are number one for me. And I, I want to be different and I want to go in a different direction, but it's like, they just have the formula. It's just, and which is, God, it's annoying. And they've been there before. Like, they have the pedigree. They have, and it just like, you look at the, the chiefs from last night. And I'm part of the whole, like, just a little

sick of it, but you have to respect that they're playing great. Obviously, a completely different team than the beginning of the year, getting their guys healthy, getting, you know, Rishie Rice, who I was just talking about getting him back. Here's a stat that, you know, I was looking at for him. Patrick Mahomes went targeting Rice. Since Rice entered the NFL, 127.1 rating, 79.5% completion, 11 TDs 1 interception, 9.2 yards per attempt. Like, it's pretty sick.

Right? And Rice is so different than when I thought he was going to be coming out of SMU. Why he dropped was because of the character stuff, like, really. But it was, he was at SMU. He was like a vertical ball winner dunk artist. And then now he's like a yak god. And so it's kind of funny how they kind of change from college to the pros. But it's Tyquan Thornton's been good for them, like just in his role.

Xavier Worthy now gets a slot down and be more of a secondary receiver, which is better for him. It's kind of hard for him to be a featured guy. Kelsey, Travis is kind of entering his kind of, he's, last year he became like a better blocker, like kind of dad bod. blocker. Yeah. And then now this year he's kind of, you know, the blocking wasn't for me, you know. So I'm going to go back into catching passes. He looked kind of fast in the open field on that one that he slipped out.

I mean, he did not avoid. I can't remember who it was, but he got cut down pretty like, like, try to make one move. And then it was like, wah, got him. It's still, but now it's, he's more like rather than all time receiving tight end. Now he's like a good receiving tight end. But still it's like when they have all these other guys, it works for themselves. Even with Pacheco being out, it's just like, I don't know, I just trust this team so much, just coaches and the homes. Yeah, and then I guess the big conversation is since they're coming on, one thing I was kind of curious to hear about from you is trade deadline approaching.

Do you see a world in which the chiefs try to acquire, you know, any sort of talent? They seem like they've become a lot more complete lately. Yeah. Maybe one or two pieces that could really seal the deal for them. Any one you think they might be interested in any position in specific? Yeah, I think every team should be calling the dolphins and just being like, who's available? Give us what you got. Yeah.

Who do you like the least? Let's rank them. All right. Let's talk about those ones. Because dolphins have talented guys. You know, like Jalen Phillips or Bradley Chubb or, I mean, even Zach Seiler. But I think those guys, like a true edge rusher, which is so hard to find anyways. But like, I think that would really put them over the top defensively.

Offensively, the old line is actually like, go. it's one of the I mean even with Simmons kind of going through his personal stuff like they still have a I mean Kingsley still Mataia is playing really well um it's the I thought maybe a running back for them even with now Pacheco's out too yeah I've been looking in Miami I mean they might right I know and the other one was Camara from the Saints album Camara um who's having a weird year like he's I don't know he's like oh I want to retire here and then I'm fine with losing and stuff like that and then when I watch he's like worse in past protection now which has never been the thing for him So that's a guy, though, going to the Chiefs would just be a magical fit, I think. So that would be maybe a boost at running back, but it's still a fine run game. It's just not very explosive right now. Maybe Bresher brings them that. But that's what I looked at, maybe an ad dresser or maybe a run back. Yeah, I think that's kind of the general consensus.

We talked about Miami trying to deal some of their edge rushers too, and I wouldn't be surprised that happened in the last week. But I think the most exciting thing like that, that game, the Monday Night Football game, did not get my dick that hard. just being honest with you. Me either. I live for football and I was like, I'm good here. Multi-view was on. World Series and Monday night football was off. Amen, dude.

But I do want to say, like, I have been liking a lot of the wrinkles that the commanders have been doing with their, like, quarterback run game. A lot of the gap scheme stuff is pretty creative, especially out of shock. I feel like, you know how it is. I was a fucking early down noseguard in the NFL. There's only so many times you can see belly open or zone read before you're just like, this is the most boring play in the world. It's run 15 times a game.

So it's fun to see the Gap scheme with the exotic polars and Marriota trying to hurdle dudes for no reason. You know. Competitiveness. Yeah. But I guess just looking ahead for the commanders. They're playing the Lions next week, which I don't know if anyone feels too good about, but the Chiefs have an exciting game coming up. Nate, how are you feeling about that AFC matchup?

The bills for me are a hard team to kind of figure out. because the passing game, it can be a little tight because they don't really have that speed guy, but the run game is freaking awesome. So it's, and I think they have to almost get, the bills almost have to get more basic in a way. Like, their best looks are when they have a fullback on the field, which is so funny, Reggie Gilliam. Which is so funny. Right. I know.

And it's kind of like when you have Josh Allen, you have a freaking dragon at quarterback, you're like, no, spread it out. Let him go to work. And it's like, actually be simpler. And it will work out for you guys. But they're defense, man. They're a little tough against their, or not in a good way. They're bad against the run.

They're wholly in a bad way. And Ed Oliver just got injured his bicep. That's going to be a huge loss for the bills defensively. I think this will be, I mean, this will still be a pretty exciting matchup. They're going to, NFL is going to plug the fuck out of it. I think, look at the slate next week. I was actually wrong. The commanders are playing the Seahawks.

Still, I'm feeling better about the Seahawks and that. that's another prime time game. And then the following week, they have the lines. But Chief Bill's will be a fun one to watch. I think Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes is just always a marquey matchup. Yeah, it's the bills just can't stop the run. And you can't be a contender if you can't stop the run. That's just, that's the long and the short of it as my evaluation.

Going in the last week, they were allowing the highest explosive run rate in NFL history. Hey, I'm ready. It was like 15%. I'm ready, bro. I'm doing Squattober. Come get your boy. But you're back to freshman year Minnetonka weight. You're not even at, you know.

No, dude, I'm back to like, yeah, literally, actually literally. Fuck, that's sad to think about that. Oh, man. I'm at, I'm at my first year at Wisconsin weight before I discovered beer. That's good. Yeah, no, I'm proud of it. I'm pretty proud of it. It's skinny fat, but I'm back to, you know, that 220 range as opposed to maybe when I, I think

I told you this was, I think I'm having deja vu, was when people started asking me if I was a left tackle instead of asking me if I play quarterback or a that's when I was like I better start hiking it's sorry I'm time to start doing some slow cardio to burn this weight it's I feel for you dude so someone asked me if I was a middle line back there day and I was like kind of flattered but also like kind of bummed out you know it was weird what would you or were you hoping to get fullback I don't know like center maybe I don't know like I got I got big skill that's yeah you're pretty sweet a four square. I remember back in the day.

Yeah, hell yeah, bro. I'm a gamer. You're a good athlete. You had some sweet feet. That's funny, dude, because we played all those games in the locker room. You see that headline of the Ravens taking away all the games for the, like, that's going to really do it, guys. That's going to turn your season around. Professional football. Yeah, yeah. Professional football players have to line up every single day. Yeah, yeah, ping pong for half hour. That, that's really good. And then they won. So,

now it's going to be like, yep, this was it. This was it. All right. So we have a little ADD moment. But, okay, no more talk about the chiefs in the F.C. But one thing, one team I really want to talk to you about that I feel like I personally have not been giving enough love to, especially in the EFC in the East, talk about the bills a lot.

But can you tell me a little bit about the Patriots as a former quarterback? Tell me why Drake May is just that fucking dude right now because he is crushing it. He is. I'll say the, I'll get this out of the way. They have faced an easy schedule. And they, the thing is, if that's your argument against the Patriots right now, it's not going to change because they face the easiest schedule going forward to. DVOA is just one stat. It's on FTN, FTN right now was formerly football outsiders.

They face the literal easiest schedule. And then they face the literal easiest schedule going forward. But May, who I was high on in the draft, he was in the monoractor of this. This is kind of nice to take an earlier victory left than I was expecting, is that he was my favorite prospect, quarterback prospect since luck. And luck was though, like it was me and you watching them before we played Oregon. You know, so I'm watching Stanford film, you know, all that stuff. But in the Rose Bowl, but it was with him was, he was a walking, talking explosive play. And that is what you need to be in the NFL.

It's getting those 15-yard gains of 16-yard gains and being accurate while doing so 50-50 balls or 70-30 balls. You're willing to push the ball over the middle against zone coverage. That's what you have to be to be a dude at quarterback. And that's why I was super high on him. And there's a game against Georgia Tech. Last year he was a retro sophomore where he was just down, I mean, 30-yard post-routes were basically handed off to the guy. So I thought that him coming in the league, and he's a really good athlete.

So I was like, all right, you can push the ball and you can run. That's a really good place to kind of start at. And we can maybe rein you in your wild horse tendencies. I thought he was way more accurate than people were giving him credit for. But he's been even a different version of what I was expecting is that how, accurate has been underneath he's been like freaking late career drew grease where he's just like i mean you had to go against them right when you were with the bucks and stuff like that where it's just you're peppering peppering pepper and the balls out and you're just balls out right away feels so efficient

you're like what the fuck can i do and i think you know not to steal your thunder at all the thing i've been so impressed with with drake may is like it's not like the the patriots have elite weapons you know offensively they've got step diggs who been a great wide receiver but he's not in the prime of his career right no offense stuff um and then big booty who's having a resurgence because of this young quarterback. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's what's so impressive to me. I mean, do you feel that way also? Yeah. No, it's, they have a lot of fine. Like, it's like, you know, but no one's like a superstar. Like even their offensive lines improved, but it's not great. Like they, so, you know, success rate is a stat I always look at, you know, even I think some people think of it as a nerdy stat, but NFL coaches, coaches have been using it since the 90s. We just have better versions of it. The Patriots are first and passing success rate. They're 27th in rushing success rate. So they, so you kind of know who the, who is the, who is the, who is the hub of this offense, and that's May. He is a dude. Like, he's going to enter this top five, top six quarterback conversation. And I think he's already there. It's that booty has been great.

Like he really has. He, I mean, he was before his final year in college, he was the number one consensus receiver, had a season from hell, had some stuff off field, drops to the sixth round, I believe. And then even as a pro, I'm like, he's inconsistent. Why are they running all this deep stuff? and then him and May have a great chemistry right now. Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper are solid. Like they're just good solid, sturdy, tight ends. And so it just kind of like everyone slots in the place. And May has just been a machine.

The defense isn't very good. They can stop the run. But past game-wise, they're kind of more mid. But they've been improving. It's not a perfect team. They just have taken advantage against an easy schedule. Brable gets them going and then May has just been a machine. Yeah.

And I guess that's, I mean, it seems like Rebs has done a really good job of instilling his culture in that team. It does feel like a little bit of a different Patriots team than the past. You know, sometimes it takes a couple years for a head coach to come in and kind of get his shit rolling, you know? So I'm impressed that it seems like Frable is doing it immediately, obviously behind May. I think one thing I want to ask you about, though, similar to the conversation that we just had about Kansas City is, you know, their rushing attack is weak in New England. Does this seem like a team that might be buyers here for running back in the next week or so? Maybe I don't think so because they like Stevenson and then they're getting Trayvion Henderson going. They're a second round rookie from Ohio State.

They kind of figured what he, people got out over their skis a little bit with Henderson, like where they're like, oh my God, he's going to be this. He's going to be like Jamir Gibbs. And it was like, you know, there's a reason he was always the number two back at Ohio State. It's because running between the tackles isn't his strength. He's going to bounce stuff. It reminds me a little bit of Melvin, his freshman year. He would bounce everything.

bounce everything and then he got better between the tackles. Henderson, his past protection was he's sound mentally, but then it's also he's 200 pounds or below 200 pounds. You get some linebackers are going to blow your fuck up. So I think they kind of figure that whole thing out. But I think backwise, they're fine.

People want them to trade for a receiver. I actually think their guys are fine and they can kind of go about their own path. Like, I don't think this is the year to push it. I think they should understand what they've been going against. So I don't think they're told, total buyers maybe a couple a month ago i might have thought that but i actually think they're kind of sit okay right now yeah and you've mentioned their schedule a little bit i think that's just a good

opportunity to transition feels like their toughest game maybe like so far i mean they beat the bills a couple weeks ago um but they got a big one coming up in tampa playing the bucks and i'm down here in tampa right now i've been loving watching these bucks wondering uh what you're seeing from who you know from my favorite fucking dude my favorite got to watch baker mayfield how impressive it is that he's dealing it with some pretty limited, you know, a lot of injury, limited players. Yeah. I think you're seeing the amazing of that,

you know, the Seahawks game especially was one. The Seahawks defense is no joke. And you see those big plays that he's generating and he's scrambling more than ever, which I think is a part is good. He's not the thing I think Baker's improved the most at it, he stopped bailing backwards, which is hard for guys to do. Like it's hard. guys are used to winning that way in high school and college.

You know, they're the best, even Baker was one of the best athletes on the field. I know that, I know it's like, ha, ha, but it really was. Like, that's the difference between college and the pros. And he's kind of like, has learned to step up and into the teeth of the defense. And I think that's really helped. The thing that they, I, the bucks are confusing to me because I appreciate what they're trying to do. And I appreciate how they withstand these injuries. But the truth is those injuries are going to cost them.

And you can feel the pressure can get generated on the run game's not good right now. It's like a bottom five run game. And that over time is why it's a difference between, yeah, they can go to the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs. And right now I just don't see that because of those injuries. It's not anything like it's just hard to overcome. Yeah. I mean, it felt like they've caught up to them or the injuries have caught up to the Bucks, especially against the Saints. I mean, like, there was kind of a weird game.

Weird. Yeah. It's like there could have been three defensive touchdowns. And it felt like we got robbed of one of them, in my opinion, on that whistle. Ron Torber. Yeah. I was mad about that because I love Winfield and like, whatever. Yeah.

But it felt a little bit like, you know, for the Bucks in the Saints game, the injuries really, it was like glaringly obvious that their offense was missing a lot of key players. Going back to one of your earlier points about Baker scrambling, one thing I thought was really smart and pretty savvy of the Lions defense. They spied Baker Mayfield. Probably the first time all year. I think he's seen a spy. And I was like, these motherfuckers, lions, they know what they're doing, man.

Right. Sometimes you get those former players coaches and they're like, hey, I know this doesn't seem like the guy that we should be doing this against. But guess what? This is how they're playing. They kind of get that stuff. Exactly. And I guess my question for you is you talked about strength the schedule to Patriots being weak. It feels to me like the bucks have a pretty tough schedule.

Do you have any, like, stats on that? I didn't even look that up, but they have, actually I have it up right now. Yeah, they have a fourth hardest schedule going forward, I think. Oh, wait, hold on. Let me see. Let me see. Oh, no, no, they don't. Easy schedule.

They have an easy schedule going forward. Yeah, 26th, that way, which is so sixth or seventh, the weakest schedule, I guess, going forward. Seventh, the easiest schedule. From that, you know, from this point onward you're saying. Yes, yep, from this point onwards. Yeah, and that's the thing is, look at their division. Right.

You know, the, you tell me what the Falcons are. and then like you know the saints are i know the saints are performing a hit job on spencer ratler did do we're listening to the commentary of that game a little bit i had it on in the quad box you know so yeah shifting it out of it so i yeah because i'm usually muted like i i get more frustrated with commentators than anything and it was jonathan vilma and as soon as ratler had a fumble um i think early on i think it was the first turnover he had uh immediately vilma's like He's got to be benched. He's got to be benched.

This is, and I was like, excuse me? Like, he's been like a league average quarterback so far this year. Like, what the heck just happened? Boom, boom, boom. And then he gets bent. And then they show Tower Shuck warming up right away. And then Chuck gets put in. I'm like, oh, got it.

You heard something in production meeting. Got it. Exactly. Because there's, that came out of nowhere. I was like, what? I've not even thought that this rat where it needs to be benched. Do you know what the saints are this year? So, and then the, the Panthers are just, they're improved, but they're not.

great you know they they they they got out as my co-host charles macdonald say they got out blue chipped last week you know like they you can feel the difference between oh a legit contender and like frisky average team you know yeah and james cook had like four 300 yards or whatever it was like yeah they couldn't stop once yeah the fc south is weak and i think that is a little bit of my concern with bucks like i'm a i'm a bucks guy i love watching them especially like i love baker and you know vita and a lot of those guys but my concern is is the NFC, the South is so weak that they're going to have, you know, they're going to make it through. And then the playoffs come and it's just one and done.

Yeah. That's where I'm kind of at with. I mean, because you look, MC West, you know, you got, I mean, the Rams are legit. The Seahawks, I think, are legit. NFC North, the Packers are legit. The Lions are legit. Okay, so I just named four teams right there. That means one of those will be the team they play in the first round.

Like, so all four of those teams I consider contenders. And they are almost, if it just, you know, season broke today. they'd be playing those team, you know, four versus five seed, don't really like how they match up against them. Yeah. I'm happy you brought up the NFC North. I'd like to get up there just to briefly discuss the NFC North, especially kind of the Vikings.

I mean, we both have Minnesota roots. What's your sense of what they're going to do moving forward at the quarterback position? Oh, man. Drag kicking and screaming into playing the quarterback they drafted in the first round. They do not want to play him, it seems like. And I know this is, I have no inside information. It's just me reading tea leaves.

There was so many rumors this off season about them signing Daniel Jones and then Aaron Rogers and they wanted to sign back Sam Darnel and they want to trade for this guy. I was like, that's interesting. But like, you know, the national reporters, it's a lot of context. You got or read between the lines, I should say, where you're like, why are you saying that? Why are you reporting that? And then the other son I heard, you know, McCart, the thing coming out of college was McCarthy was skinnier. And quarterback, he bolted up. he got the water weight for the combine.

But, you know, he did. I mean, just look at his face. But it's just all, it looks like me after the cake. No, it's just, but I'm watching it. And, and, or I'm watching him. And it's guys are sub 205, like there's not a long history of success. It's just because it's not only just, it's like, all right, you can be a good athlete, but just can pull down in the pocket.

Yeah. Long-term injuries, withstanding injuries. That's why size matters in the NFL. That's why there's weight classes in boxing. MMA that applies to the NFL too and he keeps getting injured and that's why I'm concerned. Yeah. And I think when I watched him play this year, he was a step slow with everything. He was getting to the right guy, but it was like a whole second too late. Well, I mean, when you think about it, Tice, he's played like three games. What is it?

Right. You forget. Like he's barely played in the NFL and I think that's, he didn't have many reps in college either. So many dropbacks. It's every position needs this, but a quarterback, Like you need reps. So that's where it's, they're a weird team for me. I was optimistic going into the season because I liked it. I did an O line. I liked what they did at D line. I trust Flores.

I trust KOC. And I'm watching it. I'm just like it's the O line gets, is battered and banged up now. And so now if you drop McCarthy, who was taking a bunch of sacks, high pressure sack rate, it's like he's a second slow. And it's a team that kind of felt like they're trying to compete this year. And so how do you justify, hey, we need this guy reps.

It's not going to be pretty. we need reps but also Justin Jefferson we're trying to compete and also Ryan you know like it's a hard I mean you've been in locker rooms it's a hard conversation to have where they're trying to bridge these two things so I don't know it's and now there's stuff coming out that they don't want to play Brosmer because they might you know might prefer him you know I saw that too and I'm like it is an interesting situation it feels like yeah a lot of reading the tea leaves like I don't think anyone outside of the building really knows what the fuck is going on but to your to your credit It does feel like the Vikings have gotten robbed of a season that they could have been successful

and potentially. They could easily have been a wildcard team if it broke right for them. I know that's every NFL team in the history of time. But they have a lot of other good stuff on this team. It's just, it's weird. It's just a weird situation because a high ankle sprains, a high ankle sprain. It's not a joke injury. But it's one of those where it's like at quarterback, you know, Mahomes won a freaking

a freaking Super Bowl, made a Super Bowl run on a high ankle sprain. Like you can play with it. It's just not always great. they're like no he's getting the full six weeks Carson wins is literally dying on the football I know I was gonna say but we are no way playing McCarthy because it's like okay that's that's my body yeah no that's strange to me it's someone that played with Carson and knows how tough he is like that was that was a

hard thing to watch man did you like Kirk Hurt Street calling him a wuss yeah I'm like bro he's like you're supposed to be the alpha you're supposed to be the leader of men out of Kirk you're up in the fucking box shut the fuck up I actually was kind of pissed about that. I was that that bothered me. Yeah, it felt a little personal. It's like, dude, this guy is clearly very injured. Yeah. You know that. And then it comes out, you know, now that he's on IR that shoulder shredded. Yeah. And you see him, dude, I've had to wear one of those sully braces or whatever, the neoprene ones. And he had the restricting cuff over the top of it too. And that's one of those things that bolts into your shoulder pads. Yep. Yeah. And it's like, dude, he can't even move that. You saw him in that game, uh, like when he got the, uh, like when he got the. The. most injured or whatever. It was just kind of like a weird glancing blow. And I've been there, man. When you like sublux your shoulder, like it's the weird shit that pops it out.

Yeah. So yeah, I was a little frustrated with Herbstrude on that one. It's like, dude, give the guy a fucking break, man. Like he's clearly battling. It's NFL players. Like, and NFL players. Like that's the thing too is like, I use this sometimes when people will compliment a quarterback and go like, man, he's playing through injury.

He's tough. It's like, yeah, no shit. He's an NFL quarterback. All these guys are so tough. Like I know there, it's, oh, quarterbacks are, you know, it's like, no. I know, you know, every position you have to be pretty freaking tough. Receiver is probably the one position you get away with with not being the toughest guy. But actually, there's a lot of receivers that are freaking tough too.

I mean, it's just long snapper to me, you know. Yeah, I love. No gloves and no sleeves. Yeah, I can point that guy out. Yeah, I know. I know. So it's, I'm watching it and I would never call like, and Wenz brings on a lot of contact and he takes a lot of bad hits and I get that. But that's the thing.

If you want to be dumb, you got to be tough. And it's just like that, you know, and that's why I'll never. That's a nose guard mantra right there. Absolutely. I love how you say nose guard because some people try to like sexify you guys and say nose tackle, you know, or or the shade. You know, the shade, you know, but yeah, no, just nose guard. Yeah, you were old school three, four nose guard. You got to know your role.

Every since high school, that's what you were. You were the one high school team that ran out three freaking four. Yeah, I was a fucking freshman 14 year old playing zero technique like. You know, I've played football for one year. I don't know what the fuck is going out here. Just hold the point, Bo. Just hold the point. That's all you got to deal.

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$1,500 first bet offer on your first wager with betmgmgm make it legendary how do you feel about the Packers right now because I'm feeling really good I'm feeling really good about them after this week. I mean, I was really impressed with them, especially like the second half of that game this week. Like, we talked about our Monday show.

Thorne Love just seemed really poised, really comfortable. But they have been somewhat confusing to me at times. I mean, I'm excited to see how they play the Lions. I don't like, I just don't know how physical they are at times, I guess is a little bit of a concern of mine. I like Kraft a lot. He's fucking sick, dude. Yeah.

I know. He's the man. I just feel like you get a different team with them kind of every week. I don't know. Maybe I don't have as good of a feel. What are your thoughts? No, I think I'm feeling more how I originally felt about them,

which is their contender. But I agree with you that maybe there's a few weeks where I was like, it's a little frustrating. Some of their, it's an offensive philosophy I love. It's what we lived with at Wisconsin and everything where it's like, yeah, it might be that it's an ugly run game at times, but it's part of the philosophy.

it's because then they're going to go play action. Then they're, they're so explosive passing the ball that that's the formula to me. That as long as you, again, I look at success rate. As long as you're about 40% rushing, you can win.

And so they have that. And then I think Love is playing like an MVP now. Even, even they're a rewatch team always. Like they're a team on film that I watch them back on film. Like, oh, you guys are good.

Because I, and like, I watched a Cardinals game. I'm like, yeah. Just don't watch the Browns game again. No, no,

Oh, exactly. That's a perfect example. And even in that game, that's actually some of the frustration, like second down, they're like an auto run team. It's the opposite of Bruce Ariens who was automatic empty and passing it every second and long. It was like, GBOT, like get back on track, try to get to third and third and third and three. That's all they do. Third and five, everything's third and manageable. And it's like, I get it. Like love is good on third down and your offense is good on third down. But like, you can make it easier on yourself and just get the first down on second down. There's nothing against that in the rules of football. But then I look them up. So, like, their fifth in DVOA, their fourth in success rate, their first and explosive pass rate. Love is awesome. And then I think Romeo Dobbs is really grown on me as a player on top of craft and golden and then Watson coming back. And then the defense, the defense to me is the corner play is a little iffy, but they

run a ton of zone. Yeah. And they try to just make them hold off. Thankfully, they got some good rushers up there, Nate. Gee, you think? Yeah. And that's the thing, too, is they got this guy, Micah Parsons. So it's just like they got, like, Roshan Gary is a ball and two.

And obviously it's a one-two punch and everyone knows how having good rushers benefits. Do you watch Carl Brooks at all? A little bit. I like him. He's the opposite of you. But he's. So he's actually good at football? He can rush the passer a little bit.

His role is not to stop hold up against the run. It's to shoot the gap and get after the passer a little bit. But I like him. He's been kind of like a little baby of mine that is really coming along. but I just think they have the formula to me to make a run in the playoffs. It's run the ball, stop the run. It's so old school. Well, it feels like they're getting better, too, which is good.

They're young. I think a lot of my gripes with them just comes with just the Cowboys game and the Brown team. That little two-game stretch there where, like, having a tie in the schedule to me just is so ugly. It's like, you automatically dock them as soon as they get a tie. You're like, yeah, yeah. And that's kind of what I was thinking about, too. I feel like you'd be a good person to talk about this with is like, what are the implications of this tie in the NFC?

Like has it, is it still too early for this to even be a factor? But I, for some reason, I feel like this is going to rear its, it's, it's mediocre head later in this season. I don't know. It's kissing, kissing your sister head. Yeah. Yeah. Ew.

It's your, um, I, I think it's more, uh, it's how many losses you have in the column. So like, that's why they could be four, you know, what they were before this, this week, where they can have the tie, but as long as they don't have as many. these losses the other team because that's a half win. So, you know, that's, that's kind of how it breaks doesn't hurt them. Yeah, it doesn't hurt them as much as a true loss, but it's also a game they should have won. And that's, you're right, that game is in my head as well. But then they go, they got Panthers, which they should throttle. And then they actually match up well against the Eagles. That'll be a good game. Yeah. And the Eagles offense, of course, again, out of my track,

that gets a lot of the headlines. Oh, my God, exhaustingly so for if you want to ask me as a national guy. But I think that figuring out this defense has been weird to me because they can't really stop the run that well. And that always that's, you know, Fangio plays defense. It's soft boxes. So that kind of scares me a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I could see that being a fucking grind of a game defensively. You know what I mean? They're just like mash the ball, 16 play drives for the Packers. And then the one haymaker big explosive pass. And it's like, yeah. And anyone that Quinion Mitchell's not in cooper de gene aren't guarding it's you can kind of get them like you know corner two you know outside corner two is like all right attack that guy so better offenses i think can get them pretty well

i know i'm i'm i always call the eagles offense the enron offense it's it's just they have too too many too many stars to fail like like people get mad at them it's like they're not going to fail like and people go oh this is the year they bought them out no they won't no they won't like you know it's like it's yeah i trust me i get it but they just do not fail but it's so it's more like how well is the defense playing is basically what i look at more than anything right i like the jumbo line they're using too which i know i was i was talking about that with fred johnson yeah yeah i mean because their run game walker is so that dallas also like he's at that point he's indifferent on it now yeah he went from okay then he was

yeah exactly good wasn't he like yeah okay yeah he doesn't want he doesn't like doing it anymore yes that's yeah i don't i mean he's it's just not his role anymore No. No. Like, no. Yeah. And how, how, you know, Hertz plays and how the offense is, the auxiliary players aren't going to get a lot of targets, meaning like the second tight end, the running back, the third receiver. So they can get away with going with Fred Johnson on the field. So I actually, for them, it makes more sense to do it. Some teams just do it to do it. And for them, it was like, you're going to do all these two tight end looks. You have terrible blocking tight ends. So that's an instant loss. Like, that's how the chargers felt for years. They're getting all these two tight end looks. It's like, great, you got Gerald Ever. Ever. blocking an edge. Have fun. All right, now you can't run outside at all.

So I don't know. I did like that little tweak they made after the mini buy after they got kind of embarrassed by the Giants. Yep. No, I like that too. One of our producers,

Charlie, who I think is in the shadow realm also, had this great quote. I don't want to put you on blast here, but obviously we both played with Russell in, in college. But he had this idea that Jaylen's, in the media is turning into early onset Russ.

You kind of catch my drift. And so I was like, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if this is going to play well, but we're going to pull up a couple quotes and try to decide if it is Jailen or Russ. Good transition too. Yeah, it's a similar time for it. What do you think,

cowboy, you got those ready for us? I'm going to rip a couple at you, all right? All right, quote number one, I truly believe in positive synergy that your positive mindset gives you a more hopeful outlook and belief that you can do something great means you will do something great. Is that Russ or Jalen? Can I start?

I think it's Russ too. No, I think it's Russ. Because Jalen would say that exact thing and like, you know, 30% less words. Yeah, it was Russell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nailed it. Your exact kind of line of thinking there, Beau, is why.

I was like, yeah. And also synergy feels like a Russ word. Yeah. My locker was right next to Russ back when I was a sophomore. I've roomed with them. Yeah. We really did a lot of chatting in the locker room. There's some business classes that I know Russ was sharing.

So, yeah, I think that's where I got it from there. I used to beat up kids and bite kids and do stuff all the time. That's Russ. That's I was going to say. That's Russ. Yeah. Russ was, he's admitted to this. He said he used to be a bully.

Oh, wow. Bring back bully Ross, dude. I know. Oh, we saw it against Sean Payton. Yes. I love that, bro. That's the thing about Russ. Russ can actually be really funny.

It's just that it's, it's, it's very guarded. I feel like it's not his first instinct. No, no, no, no, no. It's not. And like, we're having fun here. Like, we're being facetious. Russell's a great dude. He's just not, he's just like that.

You know what I mean? Like people ask you all time. It's not a persona. He's just how he is, you know? That's how he is. He's very thoughtful of everything he says and that can come across as robotic and everything. But it's, he's been, as opposed to me, who's, stumbled into all this shit and was a backup quarterback and knew I wanted to coach and everything

and that failed. It was like, you know, like he's very measured with everything he does. I did a show of Pobitory about this. It's like he's not like a evil. It's just that he's, he just, and he's not even that. Yeah, he's not like that calculator. He's just kind of,

I feel like he came out of the womb and a button down, you know? Yeah. Well, the line he said was his dad who passed would always say it was that there's a king in every room. And so you have to act like that. If you don't acknowledge who the king is. And so it's like, all right, well, that makes more sense of how you go about things. So now we've been nice to him and we could shit on him a little bit.

No, yeah. Yeah. It's a compliment sandwich. Yeah, exactly. All right. Next one. I know everything will unfold according to God's timing. Oh, that's tougher.

That could be either, man. That's a 50-50 ball. I'll say Jalen. I feel like we got two Russ quotes. It's got to be Jalen. I really want to say Russ, but I'm going to say Jalen too. Yeah, that one's Jalen.

Oh, okay. Could have spread it around a little more. more I could have. Yeah, that's like when you get a lot of Cs on the, on the scam, I gotta go be here. Yeah. Money is nice championships or better.

That's got to be. That's Jailor. All the way. That's something I could have on my poster right behind me. It's inspire me. It's that in the cap. That's on a Nike, yeah,

a Nike show. Yeah. The Shudor Sanders ad that came out in preseason. Don't even give me a start. Oh, my God, man. Because everybody made me talk about that for weeks. I got every take possible out on that. So I'm glad.

I'm glad I don't have to do it again. All right. Everybody is worthy of being coached. I'm going to go jailing again. I'll say Ross. Yeah, that's Jalen. That was Jalen. Yeah.

Coach's kid. Oh, yeah. Smart. Yeah. That's what I'm going to go with there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There's one different there. All right. Here, we'll do one more. Tiebreaker. Tiebreaker.

Leadership is simple. Show up unprepared, protect the guy next to you, and never let one play define your confidence. I'm going to go jail one. I think Ross. That one is an AI answer inspired by Russell Wilson. Ah, okay. Option C. Computer.

The end is an eye. Yeah. Yeah, seriously. We're going to have AI Podcasts next and we're all fuck. They're all screwed. I know. They already can have, they already have next gen stats and identify

coverages based just on where the GPS is. I'm like, oh, God, that's already one thing that's getting taken out of my wheelhouse. I didn't even know that. No, but I, when I watch the Amazon,

the Thursday night stuff and I see their blitz indicators, that's how I know that like, we're going to be okay, because those are fucking terrible, dude. I don't think, you know what I'm talking. about. I think those are not good. Well, they're good right at the snap of the ball, but when you're a quarterback in an offense alignment, that doesn't do shit because it's just like, it's what I know,

two seconds before the ball. So it's like, yeah, it depends. They had one. This is, uh, anecdotally, they told me was that the only coach that breaks their system at the snap of the ball is Todd Bulls because he does some of the most unsound blitz as possible. And so there, it does, right? I know. And I'm like, yeah, that's. I'll tell you what. That is true. That is absolutely true. Dude, there was one time we played in London and I had, uh, Christian taffrey on a wheel route and I was like oh my god it was like this is there's like we're going like we're going like number count going like one outside two outside yeah and I'm like oh god I got the back oh god and like the uh Levanti screamed at me like like you got him you got him I'm like tapping it

off and I'm like oh fuck like please stay in and he runs a wheel and I'm like oh my god it's the funniest it's one of my favorite clips my career thankfully like they did not go there that my favorite is when Vita drops the coverage yeah He did the, he does the belt. He kind of, he kind of drops like pretty often. No, he does. The literal first player of their entire season this year, he dropped in the coverage. Love that.

I know, but he's actually okay in it, like, because he's good in space and everything. He's just a freak. He's taking up a lot of room back. Yeah. I know. It's, yeah, it's a two, three zone. Just put the bodies in space and then he just guards it up. I know.

I know. I mean, yeah, he's a freak, man. I'm just. I love him, dude. Random guy, I actually want to pick your brain out. Hit me. Jeffrey Simmons. What do you think of Jeffrey Simmons?

I think he's a dog, dude. He's banged up right now, right? Yeah. But he was playing like a freaking defensive player of the year. I think he was playing the best, I think he was the best noseguard or I guess interior defensive lineman before he got hurt, man. And I kind of had a little, we had a little bit of discussion. I was like, man, I wish they'd give him, like put him somewhere fun.

Like, imagine him in Kansas City or something. That's why I asked. That's why I asked is that. We talked about him. with the end of my show today was like him as a trade candidate. And I was like, I mean, I said any contenders should be calling them. Because he, to me, like, you know, you don't want to give up the first round pick. Right.

Oh, yeah. Right. Oh, they're desperate. And that's the thing, too, for me is like, I know contenders don't want to give up a first round pick. I get it. And, you know, contract and all that. But it's like, he's worth it.

Like, that's a, that's a needle mover. You trade for needle movers. Your defense immediately gets better. And he, I mean, he is so productive, man. I know. He plays really sound too, which I think a lot of people. don't appreciate it, how hard that means. Yeah.

Because you can be productive as an interior defensive lineman, but maybe two or three times a game, you're backdoor and something and you make a splash play, but then five or six times a game, you're fucking your defense, you know? Yes, Chris Jones. Well, now he's with the Cowboys,

but Kenny Clark was the king of that as well. It was like, why are they so bad against the running? Kenny Clark was playing really sound for a while early in his career, and then it kind of flip the switch on it a little. Usually contract year will do that. And actually he was doing better with the Cowboys this year. And then I know he's going to banged up a little bit.

But that was always a thing that frustrated me. It was like, I get you're making plays, but you're leaving two gaps wide open. So if team just runs zone against you, that's why they always against like the 49ers and stuff, they would just get gashed. Exactly. Did you call those better be? Yeah. Better be right. Yeah, better.

That's how I know I'm at. But that's from my dad. That is an old one. Yeah. I've heard that before. I'm trying to think, like. It's just going fucking rogue. We used to say like take it, make it.

Yeah, we, we, yeah, we had a different name for that in college after, uh, 2010. We had a, oh, oh, oh, was that because of a certain someone, a certain first round pick in that defense? 2011, 2012, we had a different name for it. Yeah, Wisconsin. We'll just leave it at that. That's so great. Hey, hey. it's always you do it against a house state

yeah exactly get those kids that's really fun I didn't know that that's really good but it makes in my head I'm like yeah yeah that makes a lot of sense

yeah exactly I know I'm trying to even think I know you maybe even mentioned like just totally random and the quarterback stuff is Caleb and the Bears yeah even just talking about that

is like he's fine and I think that's what's freaking people out is that he's not like people were expecting like this massive you know like for him to really take off under ben jons and everything like that right not understanding that this coach has an implement an entirely new system that he needs to get familiar with get comfortable

with i mean there's like what i was kind of saying to you though is like there's just some throws or the ball leaves his hand i'm like oh wow you know and and that's you just want more of it or i do you know no i i'm with that and that's why i'm i'm bullish on him like i really am i i wish they had a later buy um they have been a team that would have benefited from that, you know, as you know, it's like so many teams get boops, bumps after buys. Like, that's what's going to happen with the chiefs. Like, Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola defense and, or teams, they get huge jumps after the buy. And their run game is getting sorted out and they're becoming like a zone run team. But then, like, DeAndre Swift has yet to make a safety miss.

So it's like, like, he's a very frustrating runner. And, and I know Eagles fans now. But it's just also, but also just like watching their run game, it's like, it's getting better. there's a lot of, there's a lot of like indicators that this is getting better. They get, they penalized, they get too many, you know,

off side or false starts and stuff like that. But like, intentional grounding, stuff like that. Yeah. Well, you always getting hit and stuff. Like,

but there's a big jump. Like, not everything that was bad has to become elite. Like going from bad to average is still like two jumps and tears. And I think that's what I think it's freak people out that it's like, it's like an average offense. It's like 14th and stuff. 16th and stuff.

12th and this. 18th and this. That's, improvement. They were god awful last year. And he's not taking sacks and stuff. But like, like you said, the highs with him is why I'm so encouraged because he can do things that not a lot of guys on this planet Earth can do. And I think the floor is getting lifted. And he's kind of having more faith in the offense. So just look at sacri. That's the big thing to look at. It's chopped in half. And that's indicative of Joe Tooney and everything, but also to what Caleb is doing

as well. He's getting the ball out and making, I think making pretty good decisions as well. But, May it was my one in that class, but I'm still high on Caleb and what, what, what's going on. I just think it's people want to go to the fireworks factory and they're just waiting for it to get there. It's like, it takes time, man. I think part of it too is like he's just so polarizing in the media. Like he comes across as pretty arrogant, which is number one overall pick, man, you know. Heism and trophy winner. It's like.

I like him. I do. I don't know. I know. It's funny. It's just some, some guys get, become the, victims of their own hype and it's not the hype that they built. It's the hype that surrounded them. You know, he was as considered a elite prospect, which I agree with. I thought he was a

very, very good prospect. It's just that people want it instant. Why aren't you a top five quarterback right away? It's like, well, sometimes you have to become the 15th best quarterback before you can be the eighth best quarterback before you can be the sixth best quarterback. Like, he reminds me a little bit of Jordan Love when he was starting out where it's like there's some high-end throws. There's a couple of mistakes, but he's getting more comfortable with what he's good at. And I don't know, and I think Ben Johnson's got the good. So, like, I think he's incredible. Yeah, but I'm bullish on them. I don't know. I just wanted to kind of get that little out there, too. No, I like talking about it. I mean, I think they need another year, you know.

Yeah, but yeah, they need you actually at no stagulling. They need Jeffrey Simmons, baby. They, yeah, I know. They, they do. They would be nasty in a bear's uniform, for real. Oh, everyone looks good in those bears uniforms, I think. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah. Do you have any Bucks Cremsicle uniforms? No, I never got to rock that. That was regrettable for me. And I never got to wear Kelly Green. I wasn't, we were in the shittiest bucks unis, dude.

It was like the digital ones. The alarm clock ones, right? Yeah, they were tough. Oh, uh, even in the moment, they were bad. There were no like point time. They looked like, uh, base, they looked like they're from a Starship Troopers. Um, the uniforms that they were, the uniforms that they were talking about.

You do? I knew you were. Yeah. Yeah, I'm all about the sci-fi references. Come on. Did you, I was watching Playrunner 2049 last night. Bangor. I know you're a-bang-er movie.

Yeah. What do you think of the Dune movies? The Dune Part 2. Phenomenal. Just re-watched that one last weekend. And I'm like, oh my God, this might be the best sci-fi movie ever on rewatch. I've seen them each probably like five or six times, dude. Yeah.

The first one I've seen like eight times. And that was the first re-watched the second one. It's so freaking good. And it was, it's, it's, it's, it's, of those where I was like I I might rewatch it again my wife's out of town for a couple days so it's like I can actually really turn it on and crank up the movie watching see Chris says you smoke a little left-handed cigarette you know if you're picking up the drift and a perfect movie put on you know it is anything by the knee just yeah just just

just let it wash over you you know just that's like blay around 2049 I was like yeah they're give me those purple hues give me the every every the cinematography you're just like dude it's just sink into it and just let's sit there whoa is that I know you're excited over there yeah just sort of six to midnight talking about Dune June they're they're filming Dune 3 right now I know it I read all the books oh just wait it's gonna get I don't know I don't want to do any I know it gets fucking I know I know deep sci-fi we don't have to worry about a person turning into a worm hybrid yet yeah we got a couple books for it we've got you

Have you read some sci-fi books recently? We were like the big readers. You're the other guy that, right? I know I'm a non-fiction guy, so I'm not really the best. No, I'm trying to think what good sci-fi shit. I read Red Rising. Oh, yeah. It's good sci-fi.

Pretty easy read. Okay. I'm reading about Kim Jong-un right now, so not really. Wow. Exciting is that stuff. Yeah, entertaining. Yeah. That's, I don't know if I got that one in me.

I'm not going to lie to you. It's entertain. The writer. kind of just presents a lot of stuff as like as is and it's more like you find the humor and going like they treat this as normal. And it's more of like that kind of like I'm on the chapter where Dennis Rodman's getting introduced as a as a character. So that's fascinating.

Yeah. No, it's pretty good. I think it's just called the great success. You mean legendary American politician and ambassador Dennis Rodman? It was in this case, yes. And it's all because Kim Jong-un was a diehard, became, got into the NBA in the 90s. and it was like, and he loved the Bulls because the Bull, you know, he's a bandwagon fan. And it's like, all right, can we get MJ?

No. Can we get Scotty Pippin? No. Phil Jackson. No. Can we get, oh shoot, why am I blinking on his name? Who's the European guy? Can we get, uh, we get him?

No. All right, all right. Let's get Dennis Rodman. All right. Let's get Dennis Robin over here. The perfect guy to represent our country. Absolutely is. Well, Tuts.

We got an hour of good. football talking a little bit of sci-fi talk didn't talk about the badgers hardly at all um not worthy of talking about but we're a basketball school now i don't know if you know this yeah hell yeah we're transitioning to a basketball school is jonathan taylor's alma mater that's that i'm okay with that's i'm totally cool with that and the entire stealer's defensive line yeah exactly who don't claim it anymore oh god it's down i'm not used to this i'm not used to this i'm not used to this. Timberwolves are good. Mariner's are good. And now the badgers suck. I can't get a perfect

world of my teams. Yeah, we're supposed to go to the Axe game. We'll see. We'll see. Wow. Because is it like a Thanksgiving tie-in too? Yeah, it's right after Thanksgiving in Minneapolis. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Anyway, this will be airing on Wednesday tomorrow, Nate. Appreciate your time and your expertise and always pleasure catching up man. I hope to do another one of these. Absolutely. Thanks for having me.