Green Light with Chris Long - Drew Bledsoe! Green Light World Cup Bet.

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

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Tennessee, y'all 2. 1-8009-9-8789. Welcome to the Greenlight Podcast. It's Freak Show Friday. We've got Drew Bledsoe dropping by. Chris and Drew had a conversation at the win in Las Vegas last Saturday. Drew talks his career, a couple of the coaches he played for, the legacy he left in the NFL.

And he even tells a story about how some ski language had to be added into one of his contracts because he just couldn't stop going to the mountains to shred. After Drew, we're doing Greenlight Winners and Losers World Cup Edition. Each Greenlight crew member will have two randomly selected World Cup teams assigned to them. And should one of those teams win the World Cup, they'll either get some cold hard cash, or they'll be sitting courts out at a nationally televised basketball game with their face painted and shoulders covered by that country's flag. Y'all and Joy, have a great

weekend. Okay, make, there's a nighttime machine, but first, I want to tell the people what they can expect today. Maybe a borderline Hall of Fame quarterback, probably the best quarterback on his franchise for an entire decade. He laid the foundation for multiple championships to be won at that franchise, underappreciated, drinks a lot of vino. You already read the show notes if you're listening to the fucking show.

You might be here to listen to Drew Bletsoe. And if you are, I'm sorry, you've got to get through Thursday Night Time Machine. You've got to get through some, we're going to talk soccer, and talk FIFA. we're doing a winners losers bracket. It's time.

The standings are four to one. We're just fucking five. How many weeks has it been 10 weeks? 11 weeks? Yeah, it's week 11 coming up. It's week 11? Yeah. But there's really no but.

There's no but. It's ridiculous. We keep tying. We keep pushing. We keep having to go to totals. It's terrible. I don't even know if you at home actually give a fuck about this.

Maybe not. But that's fine. What's your score? Titans 20. Packers 17. Oh good. We're on opposite sides. We'll have a winner.

Sweet. Give us a score. 2420 Packers. Okay. I mean, this is just, this is coward mode. I'm absolutely looking at the line, but I also believe

that the Packers have found a little sum. I've been waiting for them to turn the corner. I think the run game was great last week. You know, it's going to be tough sledding in that area, but Jeffrey Simmons is up. So it's going to be, you know, like it's going to be, Now Bud Dupree's out.

Dupree's out, hookers out, centers out. Center's out. Yep, yep. But the Packers can't set an edge, man. That's what worries me. That's the only thing that worries me in this game. Like I definitely think the back end for the Titans is pretty good. My brain said Titans and I just kind of faded myself and I went with the better quarterback.

So if the Titans can set, you know, if the Packers can set half an edge, they might be okay tonight back to yari and jenkins questionable divan d'nre campbell is out romeo d'aubes is out so it's it's week 11 yep people are out perfect uh but it's also getting to be tractor cedo see cool go titans well it's actually again i'm looking forward to tonight for once yeah which means i can't go to bed early which kind of sucks i was kind of getting a groove of having the option a bedtime option al michael's and kirk herb street were giving me a bedtime uh option that I could exercise. I was starting TV shows at half time and if they crept into the third, fourth quarter, it was okay. I'm going to be watching every snap here. Okay, here we go. Go, Pat, go.

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Real Patriots fans, not the hipsters that came along for the 2000. The old guys that sat on the metal bleachers and, you know, had to stand in line for 45 minutes for a bathroom. Those guys are, uh, they recognize. That's where I want to start, man, because, you know, like we were just bullshit and offline about, you know, Foxborough and, you know, I spent a year there. And I lived on North Road. Yeah. Which we were triangulating, I think was by y'all's old practice. It was right by our old practice facility.

People don't understand what that was like back then. We would literally get dressed in our pads. and then get in our own cars and drive five miles to an abandoned mental hospital. Yeah. And that's where we practiced. Yeah. And then we'd get all dirty and then you'd get back in your car and drive back all sweaty and stuff.

And there were even a couple accidents because, of course, guys are going to be aggressive driving back. So you end up racing each other back to the two. A couple of guys. Oh, shit. Other couple little fender benders guys trying to race back to the stadium. Who was the fastest driver on those teams? Oh, I don't know.

Probably Zolak. He had this old, uh, he had this old red corvette that he with his gargwax. and his Zubis and thought he was just sweet as hell. And so he'd race back in his red corvette. That dude's an absolute legend. Zolak, yeah, I get to meet him a little bit when I was up there. But yeah, like the facility was crazy. Oh, it was crazy.

Yeah, back then it was, the other one was, you know, we get to, you know, get drafted, big deal of, you know, find the NFL. And when we get there for rookie mini camp, We were staying at the end zone motor end down the street from the stadium, which, you know, it was just this little dive motel. Yeah. And, you know, it was like right before, this is how old I am, this is right before cell phones came out. Yeah. And so if you wanted to call home, they had basically like one line out.

So you had to start dialing and hear a busy signal, dial, busy signal, dial, busy signal. And then if you got somebody on the phone, you had to talk to them for a while because you didn't know if you could even dial out. Yeah. You know, and I'm like, dude, this is the NFL? Yeah. What in the world? Yeah. That's crazy.

No, it's nuts. I mean, just driving to the practice facility is totally unheard of. People like listening at home, like everything's in one place. Oh, absolutely. It's like, man, you know, I'd complain when I was in New England. Not too much because the facility was great. My only complaint about the facility is there's no windows in that. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you're in the dungeon. You're in the dungeon. It's by design. But like the walk to the practice facility was long by like NFL standards. Yeah. You know, all the way from that really pristine facility all the way through the bottom of the stadium. And because New England's unique in this way, at least, where truly everything right now is in one place.

And like Robert's trying to do the whole Patriot place. You know, you got Toby Key's Steakhouse out there. You can watch ball game. Our practice facilities there are, our meeting rooms. So it's just crazy to see how different facilities are now. And like we've been talking a lot about like turf fields and, you know. There was some dangerous stuff back in the day. Yeah.

I mean, you know, I think the worst ever was the vet before they knocked that down in Philly. Yeah, that turf was like playing on concrete with a little bit of carpet on it and then it had seams and stuff in it. Yeah. That and then the baseball infields were awful. Matter of fact, I've still got my one kind of noticeable injury, my separated left shoulder from the infield at Candlestick from Ken Norton, Jr. Yeah. Bob Cratch, I'll never forgive you for turning down Ken Norton in the A-GAP and letting him pile drive me into the other. It's a free runner.

A-GAP is not good. That's never fun. Especially when the linebackers were 255. And angry. Yeah. And that's actually when you could actually hit quarterbacks too. Yeah. I don't know how guys, I don't know how guys in your line of work,

how do you rush the pass for now where you've got to get there and then you've got to put him down really gently. Yeah. And if you, you know, like there's even some of the calls, you know, you see now where guy will come in. And instead of driving the quarterback in the ground, I think this happened with Tommy, has to roll over. but then if you roll over too hard and you slam them into the ground, that's a penalty.

I don't know how guys do. Grady Jarrett. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a Chris Jones, you know, um, roughing that was real bad.

Yeah. Within a two weeks span. And I kind of wonder because I'm, like you walked in earlier. Um, I know you're a big guy, but you're bigger than me. Yeah.

All right. Like how the fuck am I supposed to tackle you gentle? You know what I mean? Like if I were back in the day, you know, um, it'd be all above board and you took some shots, man. Like, yeah.

You know, um, but now, Nowadays, when you watch the game, how does that affect the game for you as a viewer? Like, how do you feel about it? So there's two sides to it. Number one, I think it's the right thing for the business of football, right? Because you want these stars on the field.

You know, you don't want to, you know, show up to Chief's game and not get to watch Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. You know, you don't want to go to Buffalo and not get to see Josh Allen. So from the business of football is the right thing. But, man, it kind of doesn't feel like football sometimes, though. You know what I mean? For me, as a quarterback, the only one is the only one, you know, that I could be tough was to take the big shot and then get back up and and and and and keep playing.

Yeah. There was a there was a good interview with Bruce Smith that I listened to a couple of years ago and they were asking him. You know, he had, I don't know, he had 200 sacks or however many sacks. And they asked him, you know, would you have more or less, you know, sacks if you play it today? And he goes, well, they throw the ball about 30% more. So I would probably have more sacks. but of all the sacks that I had, over half of them would have been penalties today, and most of those against me, by the way. They were.

How many times do you think Bruce? Thankfully, I had a guy that should be in the pro football Hall of Fame, Bruce Armstrong, who was matched up against him. Matter of fact, I talked to your dad about Army one time, and he goes, hey, if you talk to Bruce, will you tell him he had the best punch on a drive block of anybody ever played against him?

Bruce was a guy that was, so he was a certified badass, And so those two, you know, it's funny, man, and I know you'll get this illusion, but it was almost like, you know, the old cartoons with like the sheep dog and the, and the, in the, um, the coyote where they'd go punch the clock and then they'd try to kill each other, you know, at work. And then they'd punch the clock and they'd say, how to the fam on the way home. We're cool. But Bruce and Bruce, and they would match up. That was a great match up. So thankfully, you know, Bruce Smith didn't hit me that many times. Yeah. But he did give me my welcome to the NFL hit at Buffalo. You know, one of those slow-mo, you know, I think I was the star of his Nike commercial the next year.

Really? He put his helmet right between my shoulder blades and they had the slow-mo shot of my head snapping back. You know, and again, that would have been, he might have been thrown out of the game for that one. Right. But then it was legal. No, it's amazing how quickly it's happened. And you were asking, like, what was it like for me? In the beginning of my career, it was pretty chill.

Like, we could still hit guys. I mean, you know, you couldn't drill them in the head. Right. That started. And I get that. Yeah, for sure. Like, you know, I don't want guys being, you know, it's, but, yeah, by the end of it, it was my last year, I can remember the opener.

We played Atlanta and I landed on Matt Ryan. Yeah. Just a good, clean fucking drive, you know, like through the midsection. Just a football hit. And I'm looking up and, and I'm like, is this me? This flag is me? Like, that was when I realized it was probably a good time to get out, man. I just, you know, it's funny, too.

because it can be dangerous for you guys. You come in and all of a sudden you're trying not to hit them. So now you're twisting and trying to take it easy on the quarterback. And all of a sudden you put yourself in harm's way because you're twisting in a way to try to. So it's good for the game. But there are times when I look at it. Like, come on, man. Like, dude, you know, this is football.

It's physical. You should have to take a hit. Well, like, you know, I hate comparing and doing all that. But like, inevitably, as competitors, we compare looking back at our careers and looking at the people that play now. And you know, you got to wonder like, damn, if they didn't, they couldn't touch me. Yeah. If you couldn't hit the, if you can't hit the quarterbacks, you can't touch the receivers. Yeah.

Playing quarterback, it's a lot easier. Yeah. But again, it makes it more fun to watch. Yeah. But I am a little bit jealous. I'll be honest. I'm a little jealous. Yeah, dude.

I mean, I'm jealous. I'm jealous that some of, you know, some of the, I think the old line play has gotten worse, too. The old line play, well, they just don't hit anymore, you know, so they, you know, so they, you know, a lot of times they don't, they won't, you know, I mean, what do they have, like, I think they can only have like seven full padded practices before the season starts or something crazy like that. And so I would imagine that that would play into,

you know, more success for a defensive lineman because these guys aren't used to contact. No, they're not. And, you know, the ball's being thrown a lot and that sort of thing. Yeah, for sure. You know, the other side of it, as an aside,

and this is where I'm not jealous of the guys of the run game is now, they're getting the run game in these totally exotic ways. Oh, yeah. Everything's more sideline to sideline. Yeah, for sure. That was another thing late in my career. I was like, man,

like I'm not that fast. And it is like standing on a freeway watching these jet sweeps and these bubbles and like, give me a power. Give me a counter. Can you just line up and run straight at me and let this be a man on man thing and see see who's mean or see who's tougher? Instead it's coming at you from all kinds of different angles. Exactly.

Yeah. It's a thinking game. You know, when it comes to the physicality, like how's your body feel now? You know, honestly, Chris, I should knock on wood. You know, my body feels better than a lot of my buddies that are my age that didn't play. Yeah. So just lucky from that standpoint. But the other thing, it's kind of funny, man.

I've, I've always been a skier. So I skied from the time I was two years old. And I think that helped me stay healthy in like two ways. Number one, just kind of stability in my knees and so on. But I also, I knew how to fall. Yeah. You know, like that's a real skill. It is, you know.

And I, and plus, you know, when I, I played at Washington State. I got hit a little bit, so I kind of learned that too. But you know, but you watch guys that go down that if they haven't been hit a lot, you go down and you put your arm out to catch yourself. Right. And I just understood how to kind of, you know, pull things in and just roll with it. My dad used to make fun of me because I was a bad faller.

You know, I'd jump over a pile and land just directly on my shoulder. Yeah. He was like, man, it was, you know, it's tough watching you play. I mean, it's stressful watching your kid play. But for sure. The most stressful part was watching you hit the ground because I could. not fall what's up with the skiing thing you had that in a contract did did you really have that written into a contract yeah yeah so the the um i made a mistake um after my second year uh mr craft

had just bought the team and i made the mistake of telling him because i was stupid about this really cool heli skiing trip i took my dad on and i remember now in retrospect i was telling about this amazing trip and he was kind of looking at me funny and so in my next contract that had very language written in there for how much money I had to pay them back if I got hurt skiing. And what was it? It was a lot. It was it was sort of graduated, but it was like if it was year one, I had to pay them back most of my signing bonus if I got hurt skiing.

Did you stop skiing? Of course not. That's not. I figured. No, we found a Lloyds of London underwriter that would insure me for 30 days a year. And then I had an agreement with my ski buddies in Montana. Like, all right, here's the deal. if I'm dying, call ski patrol.

If I'm not dying, you guys find a way to get me off the mountain. We'll go down to the gym. We'll put on some basketball shoes and I'll get hurt playing basketball. That's so fucking brilliant. I mean, that's great that you had that pack. Yeah. Because, you know, teams are trying to get over on us, right? For sure.

For sure. Like, man, I'm out living my life. I'm skiing. This is what I like to do. This is my happy place. Absolutely. You would have hit the, you, like, you would have been down the mountain. They would have put you under a bar and been like, look.

he was doing a power clean. Yeah, power clean and his knee went out. It's so great, dude. The funny thing is that they would write all that stuff into our contracts that we couldn't do. The most dangerous thing that we ever did was the charity basketball games we used to go play. Did you ever play in any of those? No, because I wasn't good enough. Well, I'm not good at basketball.

I was a six man on my high school, too. Yeah, me too. But we would go do this. And so you go play against the firemen or the cops or whatever. And for them, it's the Super Bowl. and we're out there just kind of trying to have fun. Next thing you know, they're undercutting you on a layup. Yeah.

And like, but that was sponsored by the team. I'm like, dude, this is way more dangerous than- The quarterback club stuff and all that stuff. Did you ever do that quarterback club stuff? They used to have skills challenges and then somebody got hurt on the beach and like. Yeah, there was there was the quarterback challenge was actually really fun. Was that fun? It was really fun.

Like guys like doing that? Yeah. And for the, you know, for the quarterbacks, you're just throwing the ball and running around a little bit. It's not that. There was no risk to it. But the cool thing about that was it was like the one time of year, where all the quarterbacks got to hang out with each other. Yeah.

You know, because normally you see guys on the field, you know, but, and especially for me when I was young, you know, because when I broke into the league, you know, still Elway and Marino and Troy and Steve Young and Joe Montana

and all these guys that were on the Mount Rushmore of football for me, those guys were drafted when I was like 10 or 11. We were talking about that earlier. That was like when they start, when that draft happened was right when I started watching football. And so for me, you know, I got to go hang out.

out with John Elway. I got to go hang out with Dan Marino. And for me, it was like, you know, it was like hanging out with Superman, you know? And so for me, that was a really, really cool experience. But yeah, it's kind of a bummer. They don't do some of that stuff still. I think they do a little bit, but I don't think it's as organized as used to me. Who was cool? Like, who were you like, man, that guy treated me? You know, like, was there one impactful other vet? You know, Elway, Elway was really, really kind to me. And, you know, we, you know, sit up by the pool and drink dewers with John Elway. And I'm like, dude, this is, you know, it's like, and most of the guys were really, really cool, though.

Danny Marino was cool. He was, he was great. You know, Joe Montana was incredibly kind. I will tell you, though, the most starstruck I ever was. We were at some event and I got to meet Namath. Oh, man. And I'm like, I mean, I'm talking, this is after I'd been in the league for probably four or five years, something like that.

But I almost couldn't talk. Right. You know, I was kind of just so nervous. And then he was just the kindest dude ever, you know, chat. I've chatted for like 10 minutes. But yeah, that was one time, like, after all of it, that I was definitely starstruck, was It's happened to me a couple times when I like met Julius Peppers and stuff. Right.

And he was the coolest guy in the world. And it's just like you think about that when you meet a younger player or somebody else. For sure. You know, just it's a big brotherhood ultimately. It is. Absolutely. So with Jim Kelly, man, because he was. I love Jim.

I really like Jim too. And I got a chance to meet him a couple times. Just like. And as a player, man, I respect him. And just everything they went through there. Yeah. And I know you, you were what, 94 or 93? I was 93 draft.

Yeah. Okay. So like at that point, they're in the middle of it, right? They're in the middle of it. That was my first, my first start was at Buffalo. Yeah. And I had just watched them play in the Super Bowl like four months prior. Yeah. So I'm out on the field. First of all, here comes Bruce Smith down the tunnel. And I'm like, dude, I'm in the wrong place. I don't belong here. And then here comes Jim, you know, running down the tunnel. And he just runs by and slap him. me on the ass. Hey, good luck, Rick. That's funny. And now we're great friends. He's still so present in Buffalo, and he definitely was for the three years that I was there. And he was always around and just incredibly kind and gracious.

Yeah. And got to see him recently. And it was just a blessing to see him. Because I didn't realize his second bout with cancer, they gave the doc gave him like a 5% chance to live. Like he was, he was, he was gone. And now he's back and he's, and he's, he's mostly healthy now. So it was great to see him. He gathers no moss, man. That dude enjoys staying on the move.

And I love it. I love it. Absolutely. Just love being around the guy. He's just great energy, man. Yeah, him and all his brothers and everybody was around. And it was, yeah, no, he was awesome. Did you feel for them being on the other side of it?

Or did you hate the bills because they were in division? Like when they'd go play in a Super Bowl. Because I remember, okay, we used to beat up on the Seahawks. Right. And we were like fucking six and ten. and, you know, two and 14, whatever. But they always come to town and we'd beat them. Right.

Or, you know, play them tough. And then they were San Francisco, same thing. Then those teams would go play in the Super Bowl. Yeah. And I was jealous. You know, I was. For sure. I remember sitting in a hotel room in Miami,

drinking beers with my buddy, rooting so hard against the Seahawks. And they beat the hell out of the Broncos. That didn't go real well. And I can remember being in Mexico, rooting for damn patriots and the Malcolm Butler pick because I did not. I don't want to see those teams in my division win.

But for you, like, did you have empathy for that team? I did. I mean, yes, I would say I had a certain degree of empathy for them. And it was also, you know, we always played them pretty tough. Yeah. You know, and so there was also, all right, well, you know, if somebody's going to win it, I wanted to be a team that we could go head to head with. So there was that, there was that piece of it.

But that rivalry, I always enjoyed that rivalry, if you did, you know, first of all, you know, you're going to go to Buffalo and they're going to throw snowballs and other things at the bus on the way in. And, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I don't, I think we were pre, pre, uh, pre, uh, dildo. I don't think they were throwing dildos quite then, yeah, although I think they, though they, the funniest one way, we were, we were, we were driving out of the stadium, Buffalo. won the game and this old lady B-A'd us. Like she was probably 75, 80 years old and just, boom, drops her pants and BAs the bus. I'm like, dude, we're in a, we're in a different spot here. Yeah.

You know, so I always, those were, and they were, they were, we had a lot of good games with the bills too. So, you know, it was a good rivalry. And obviously for me, there was a, you know, an extra level of importance. you know at that point you know when we played the bills you know that's jim kelly over there yeah that's my hero you know i had to head his poster right yeah and then we go play the dolphins and like that's damn arino you know i want i want to get his autograph that's crazy i want to get his autograph you know that's crazy um and then we're then we're competing so that was for me that was you know that was pretty

cool the bills man like you you you spent time there and we were just talking about their fan base and like the the fan base is to me like i was really blessed to play in philly yeah because it just gave me such a like this is what it's about. Like, and I don't know if you felt the same thing as I see a lot of similarities in those fan bases. Different, but like they're so passionate and they just act out and they're crazy. Do you still feel that kinship?

I do. And, you know, those fans in Buffalo, first of all, it was like playing pro ball in a college town, you know, being in Buffalo. You know, smaller town, a little bit like Green Bay, maybe. Yeah. But you were just part of the community. If you, you know, if you're out of bar at a restaurant,

you know, somebody's like, hey man, good luck this week. All right, cool. And that was about it. Yeah. Or if you were there, if somebody bought you a beer, you were expected to buy them a beer back, right? It wasn't like this, you know, fanboy stuff. You were just part of the community.

And that was, but I do feel like I'm, I am cheering for the bills. You know, that fan base, you know, to lose four in a row and to still be as passionate and as loyal as they are, you know, they get 150,000 people for their tailgate parties and only 70,000 can go in the stadium. Right. So you got 80,000 people that are just partying in the parking lot during the game. The first home game we played in Buffalo came in early Wednesday morning. And I asked the equipment guys, I'm like, hey, what's going on?

Is it like, is it an RV show? Or what is it? Like, no, those people are tailgating. They would get there on Tuesday to tailgate for a Sunday game. That's sick. It's crazy. It's crazy. How cold is it?

They out there. No, man. Well, they know how to do it, right? They got the big bonfires and the big RVs with the heaters and the TVs. and, you know, they do it right. But, but yeah, if the bills, you know, it looks like they've got a shot at it, you know, this year, if they end up going on to win a championship,

I'll definitely be cheering for him. What's that UCLA injury like? Josh has got one right now, I guess. And as we tape, and people might not hear this until after the game, Minnesota and Buffalo play tomorrow and Josh's got an elbow thing. Yeah. You know, like, how hard is that?

The thing I think we always discount with quarterbacks is how sore your arms are. You know, like, you think about it, is he banged up? Is he injured? But like, just the, how much are you throwing the ball? Like, you know, like, how do you manage that? Yeah, for me, I always liked throwing a lot. You know, games, I was always thrown on the sidelines because it's, you know, I mean,

it's not like throwing a baseball. You know, you're not breaking down your arm throwing a football because it's just a slower motion. Okay. But that particular injury, if I understand it correctly, I mean, that's why you get Tommy John surgery. Right. Right. And, you know, the biggest thing that I'm curious to see, and it looked like there was impact late in that game just on his accuracy. Yeah.

You know, because if that hurts, you know, you can't, you can be as tough as you want, but you can't fight the pain reflex. Right. And so you go to, you go to throw a ball and it, you know, your body guards. Yeah, it just, it flinches up to protect your body. and it's just it'll be interesting to see if he can still be accurate when he comes back and plays. And then, you know, I mean, in baseball, you're shut down until you get Tommy John surgery.

You're out for a year, right? So I'll be really curious because I don't have knowledge or experience of what that injury is like for a quarterback. Yeah, it'd be interesting because the last couple weeks he's just, some of the balls that are gimmies he's missed. And I don't know if it's like sometimes a focus thing or, you know, I'm a huge Josh fan. Oh, he's just, yeah.

I mean, he's amazing. His leadership and the whole thing. But anyways, Bill Parcells, man, and you've played for two of the biggest hard asses in the history of coaching. And then, like, one of the most lovable guys, it seems like, in Pete Carroll. Yeah. But the Parcells era, you guys go to a Super Bowl. Yeah.

My burning question about that whole thing, not only is, like, how much, how tough was it playing for Bill Parcells, but also, what was it like game planning for Reggie White? So here's what's crazy. Chris. All right. And this is this is real and I won't know. So we're getting ready to play the Packers in the Super Bowl and Max Lane was a right tackle. Max Big old strong farm boy from Missouri who actually had a really good year that year. But we decided we, not me, that we were going to block Reggie one on one. And the rationale, and this is no bullshit, I'm not making this up, the rationale was that Reggie doesn't like to play on turf,

which first of all, I'd never heard. And second, they're like, well, it's the Super Bowl. I think we're probably going to get his best. And so, you know, back-to-back plays, you know, Max, who's blocking arguably the greatest pass rusher, you know, at least to that point, back-to-back plays, Max gets thrown out of the bar, and I get sacked, you know, on the four-step of my five-step drop.

And so he comes to the sidelines, he goes, okay, now can we get some help? Yeah, I tried. Yeah, he's like, hey, I gave him my best. Yeah. I'm 330 pounds, and Reggie threw me out of the bar. Yeah. Let's get some help.

And so we gave him some help, and then we had a little more success. But, yeah, Reggie, and he was also so damn frustrating because he would come in and knocked the crap out of you. And like, hey, Rich, you know, Reg, you can't do what you just did to me and then say, God bless you. You can say it after the game. It was like an Andrew Luck situation. and we used to hit Andrew Luck and he'd be like,

great hit, buddy. Right? What? What? Dude, come on, I just tried to hurt you. Save it.

Yeah, bro. Save it. Yeah, right? So funny. Was he, was Reggie the most, you know, like,

you played Bruce, you know he'd affect the game? Yep. Like, you probably played Derek Thomas. You played some of these, like, iconic rushers. Reggie,

he was probably, he was probably the biggest problem. The scariest? Just because he had so much speed. combined with so much power. Yeah. Right? You know, so he could, he could speed rush.

Yeah. But then, I don't know. I mean, at least, you know, to that area, I'm not sure if there was a better bull rush also. Yeah. You know, so when you put that combination, man, that's, that's hard. Yeah.

That week it was New Orleans, right? Yeah. What was that like? Because I feel like back then, no camera phones. Right. None of this shit. Like, when we went to Minnesota to play in the Super Bowl, first off it's Minnesota.

Right. Like, we're not going anywhere. Right. Half team's sick. Anyways, so fucking cold. Right. We were in all of America. When we were in Houston, that was great.

But like, you know, in today's day and age, like, you're under a microscope so much. Like, what's game week like in the 90s for a Super Bowl? You know, it was a, actually, both Super Bowls that we went to were both in New Orleans, which was just ironic. But we had some, we had some freedom, you know, we, you know, at least until like, I don't think it was until like Wednesday or Thursday. You know, we could, we could go out. These are having fun.

Yeah, we were having fun. You know, and, you know, we had curfew. But, yeah, guys were all having fun and running up and down Bourbon Street and going to dinner. And there was more freedom from that standpoint because, you know, you didn't have every single person on the street with a video camera that they could immediately put out to the whole world. Yeah. I think, you know, obviously today guys have to be much more careful about where they are, what they're doing. and keep it pretty buttoned up. So, yeah, we had fun.

I just imagine as a quarterback, it's hard to be like, all right, we're going on in New Orleans, football, you 22-year-old guys were going to be like, we're going to be on appeas and cues. They're like, yeah, fuck out of here. No, we're not. Yeah, no, guys were having fun. There was actually one teammate who will remain nameless

who missed the bus to practice the day after. That didn't go very well with Parcells, as you can imagine. He was a hard ass. He was a hard ass He was You know He was funny as long as he wasn't talking to you Yeah

You know I mean he would But he would man he would He would he would If he started to get after you Or get after somebody You know he would He would embarrass the hell out of you Yeah

And And also it was I mean you talk about Different from now Do those training camps then For the guys that were hitting I mean it was nonstop battle You know

It was You know uppers in the morning and full pads in the afternoon and we would go live goal line every other day like full on tackle to the ground live practice you know can you imagine if you know today you know you let it hey we're going to go we're going to go live today guys wouldn't even know what that means i don't know how the vets like the vets back in the day kept it together their bodies you know one of the things that that um that i think did happen um is i do think that that that the wear and tear affected us sometimes late in the season.

Just because, you know, guys are, you're playing games. And then you've got a game on Thursday. Yeah. You guys have pads on Thursday. Yeah. Pads every day. Pads Friday? No, usually not.

A lot of times we would just go uppers on Fridays. Yeah. But Wednesday, Thursday, we're full pads. But shoulder pads on Friday. Your shoulder pads on Friday. So this is the funny thing because, like, nowadays, as a D-Lyman, like, pads and uppers are the same thing to me. you know what I mean?

Right, right. You know, like there was no shells for y'all back then. Shells being like, hey, we're taking the shoulder pads off. Yeah, you just got the little, uh, the little, just a little pads or whatever. Yeah. No, I mean, that was always kind of funny to me also, you know, like, well, we're just going to wear, we're just going to wear shoulder pads. Yeah.

Like, well, that's the same thing. Yeah. You know, so, yeah, I just, I, I do think that, um, you know, that wear and tear did add up over the course of a season, you know, where you, um, we're guys, especially, especially especially some of the vets that have been around. I'm not sure it was totally necessary for him to be banging as much as they did. But that's just what it was. That's what football was.

You know, who can withstand the most punishment? What's the biggest difference between Bill and Bill? You know, it's interesting because outwardly, it looks very different. You know, outwardly, you know, Parcells loved being in front of the camera. He loved the media. He loved, you know, doing all that stuff. Big personality, loud, you know, jersey, guys. Godfather type dude.

And then, you know, Belichick is, you know, just notorious for being so dry, does not give anything to the media whatsoever. But in terms of what they demanded, it's the same. You know, it was competitiveness, accountability, attention to detail, you know, all of those things that allow, you know, a team or a player to be successful. Those things were exactly the same. I will say that the level. of detail and the level of analysis with Belichick and that's you know he's famous for that

was another level yeah you know and Parcell's actually I don't think you ever want a playoff game without Belichick and and because you know Belichick was one guy that he you know really respected enough and trusted that they and so Belichick really you know helped from that standpoint but no I mean it was largely the same the same with Pete you know Pete Carroll you know Pete just window dressing is different yeah yeah just on the surface it's different and and um but in terms of of what actually goes into being successful you know those things are largely the same how happy you for Pete this year I'm so happy for him man you know Pete I just I think everybody that played for Pete everybody everybody loves him you know I think there aren't very many people that it that played

for Pete that would not be cheering for him I know one one guy he's in Denver but other That's true. That's true. That's true. Yeah. But, you know, what the Seahawks did this year, they nailed the draft. Yeah. Oh, my God.

And they're set up now for a run because they got two rookie tackles that are both kicking ass. And so now you don't have to pay those guys for four years, you know. And then they've got, I think they got, what, two or three defensive guys that look like they could be pro bowlers that are rookies. And so if you got those young guys and you don't have to pay them, now you've got all that salary cap space. you know, to spend on the rest of your squad. So I think they're set up, whether they make a real run this year or not, they're set up over the next three, four, five years

to really do something. When you see somebody like Gino Smith, like do what he's doing, are you like that was always there? Or is it like, you know, context, perfect storm is always seems to be, like people don't take enough into account like the context around a player.

For sure. You know, and maybe this was in him, but he's never had the right context. What do you take from a quarterback? It's been a league a decade and now also know here it is. You know what? Well, your first point is super valid. You know, the fact that they've got all those pieces around, that helps a lot.

But Gino has also really evolved. And there was Mark Sanchez was actually talking about because he was doing one of their games. And I listened to him talk about it because I think he was in New York when Gino was drafted. And he said, he goes, the guy that I met as a rookie and the guy that I watched as a rookie is not. the same guy that's playing now and he asked him about it and he goes do you know what's going on he goes I've been working yeah um because I think there was there was a lot of work to do yeah um and so you know credit to him for being a professional and working at his craft so that when this opportunity came up he was ready for it but it's it's been it's been definitely an evolution uh in in his

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In Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, and Virginia call 1-800-gambler. And in Michigan, 1-800-0-7117. Tennessee, y'all two, 1-8009-9-7-8-9. And then with the Mack Jones, the Zappy thing, the Chicago game, because I bet the Pat's big that night, of course. Of course. And watch the whole thing. and Justin Fields looked awesome, but like, are you a fan of, like, you've been a quarterback who's had to deal with change and, you know, you've had to step in and step out.

Like, Mac, to me, being in and out of that game, the two offensive coordinators, like, I've never heard it. Like, with all due respect to my former coaches, because I love Joe and I love Matt and Bill. Yeah. But, like, that doesn't feel like it's. Yeah, it's kind of weird, right? It doesn't feel like a set up for success there. It doesn't feel like continuity. And that game, yeah, dude, I wasn't watching that game.

I just, I saw the result. Yeah. And I'm like, well, that's a typo. Yeah. They flipped it, you know, it had to be the Patriots 131, nothing. I couldn't, I couldn't believe that. That shocked the heck out of me. But I think, you know, it's interesting there.

You know, look, I think Mack Jones is, is a, I think he's a really good player. Yeah, he's doing all the right things. And, uh, um, but, you know, it's a, you know, it's a fickle, it's a fickle league, especially at that, you know, if you're a quarterback and I, somebody, God, somebody was telling me, like one of the games that he was getting crushed for. Yeah. Like, he actually, uh, graded out well in that game, you know, like, I can't remember which game, I can't remember which game it was, but it was like, you know, he wouldn't watch the film and he actually graded out well in that game. They just didn't, they just didn't play ball around him. I think quarterback's the hardest position for like a, and I

would count myself in this because I don't know what the hell's going on like I'm not in the quarterback meeting room I don't know which way the guy's supposed to run an option route I don't know you know it's so hard to handicap as a fan sitting at home like you know when a throw is off yeah was the throw off is there something wrong with absolutely well it's like you know we're talking earlier about about what's going on in in uh in in Tampa with Tom you know and um all of a sudden you know you lose Jensen to your center to start the season and for Tom that's maybe the most important guy on the field because he needs to step up into a pocket and all of a sudden, you know, you don't have that guy anchor in the middle of the middle of the line and

your running game's not as strong. Yeah. And so all of a sudden, you know, that extra half a second or that extra half a yard of space, you know, to actually throw the ball makes a big difference, especially for a guy like Tom. And then you see the same thing with, you know, with Aaron in, in, Green Bay. Yeah. You know, they're, you know, I don't think they've been, you know, as good in the offensive line as they should be and then he's got a bunch of young receivers and so Aaron's remarkably accurate most of the time but all but you know you can be super accurate to a spot where a guy's supposed to be and he's not there's not there yeah then you know you're like okay and all the margins are slim the margins are so tight and the one thing that I that I do think though

with with Aaron is uh is that uh we got a we got a bachelor bachelor's we got a bachelor's we got a bachelor's party you sure that's a bachelor's a bachelor's a bachelor's a bachelor's I don't know. Maybe she's just dressed like that for attention. I don't know. I didn't see the. Oh, yeah, it's cool hat. Yeah, she can't hear us.

They can't hear us. But, you know, the one thing I will say with Aaron, you know, he's not around very much in the offseason. And when you got young receivers, that would be the only criticism that I would have is that, okay, you got young receivers. Let's get there in the off season and develop some rapport with these guys. Yeah. And listen, like, Aaron's fucking must see TV, dude. I mean, he's amazing. Yeah.

And I don't blame everything on him this year. No, of course not. Now, he likes things simple, right? Like, he likes his offense simple. Yeah. And there's been, like, a tug of war over the scheme there. Yeah. And the only thing that I'm not a big fan of is, like, after a game, like, hey, you have a,

receivers are right there. Yeah. You walk right over to him and tell them they need to be better. Yeah. Like, I don't like the podium stuff. Yeah, the podium stuff is, that's, that's awkward, you know, that. And then the, the podcast deal during the week. It's like, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

Let's let's uh let's uh I don't not not a huge fan of calling guys out publicly that's that's my only thing like and I know he's a good teammate I'm sure I'm sure those guys like appreciate him I'm sure he's saying whatever he's saying he's also saying it to them and so but you know like I do think there's a better way to do it yeah I do too and I did but I will say one thing that that really did surprise me though that he did say publicly and whether he should have said it publicly or not you know that's that's the debate but so they had like 18 men errors, you know, in one game. Like, dude, I coached high school football for six years. And in high school, we would go through entire games without a, without a mental error. Right. You know, and so if, if you,

if you've got pro football players that are making mental errors, um, it's too complicated. Yeah. You know, you're asking, you're asking them to, to think too much. And, um, and, um, and so I think that that's where, you know, if there, if in fact, there are 18 mental errors on the offensive side of the ball in one game, that's unacceptable. You can't, you can't win with that no matter what yeah I agree do you think people we like I alluded to this before the show and it's fucking annoying when when I watch you get interviewed and like people like oh the Tom thing like do you think people get how good you were yeah I don't know I think I think the I think you know I actually had this I had this conversation with the keo spikes because you know to keo is you know

probably one of the best players to never win a ring and I don't even know if he even got to great guy too great guy loved huge neck dude his neck is enormous to kio it was really funny so we played together in buffalo right okay that we played together in buffalo was crow all there what's that was crowell there linebacker crowell from virginia yeah he was yep yep yep yep um but it was really funny one of my brother's best buddies from Colorado when uh my brother played ball at the university Colorado, walks into his first meeting as a rookie, and he ends up sitting behind Tequio.

And this dude's a badass, you know, defensive lineman from Colorado. He sits behind Tequio and he's like, yeah, I don't, I don't belong here. Yeah.

You know, because Tequio just, you know, neck, traps. The whole thing. Just, you know, I can't see the film. Yeah, yeah. Can you move your neck to the side

so I can see the film, sir? But anyway, I had the conversation with the Kio and then the, you know, the, the thing that, that gives me solace from that standpoint is the guys that know, no, no. Right. You know, so you talk to, you know, and again, you know, we're talking earlier about, you know, my heroes, you know, but guys like, you know, Elway and Marino and Jim Kelly and, you know, these guys that I really look up to, they, they know, they know. and I don't spend much time thinking about it. But from the standpoint of what I did with what I was presented with,

you know, I had a good career. It's just, no, you had a great career. Like, you didn't have to be like, you know, you had a great fucking career, dude. Like, it was, it's just amazing to me. As a player, I'm always fine with being with reality, whatever the reality was, whatever happened. Right.

But like, I can't stand being misunderstood. Yeah. Like, I can't be in, I can't stand not. being understood in context. Yeah, right. You know, like, you don't know, if somebody walks up to me on the street and, you know, you never did this, you never did that.

You never watched me play. Yeah. You know, you just caught the headline or whatever it was. Yeah, you catch the headline or the, or the stat line or whatever it is and that doesn't often, you know, tell the whole story. But, you know, but that's what it, it is what it is. And, you know, and I'll, you know, look, you know,

could it have gone better in, in a lot of ways. Of course it could have. You know, one play here, one play there. And things are radically, radically different. But at the end of the day, man, dude, we got paid to play a game. That was freaking awesome. And I said, so I have no, I have no bitterness whatsoever about the experience.

But, and I have said this a couple times, though. I don't like the fact that a lot of people treated as if I was just a footnote that was there before Tom. You know, when I retired, I was in the top 10 all time and all the major statistical categories at the time I retired. And, you know, and people treat it like, well, you're just, you know, Wally Pip before Lou Gehrig, you know, like, that's not, that's not really the story. People are simple in the way they, they, they absorb things, man, like they don't see any nuance in anything. And, and also people don't watch. Like, back then the Pats were not.

Yeah, we went on, we went on national TV lot. It's like, it's like a total juxtaposition from what the new Pats were. Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean, we were talking about facilities, you know, the whole thing. And like, you know, I just think it's important because if there's no you, there's no, there's no new Patriots. Like, y'all, y'all, y'all, you're all group, you know. Yeah, we, we changed culture. Yeah. And so whether you're talking globally, whether you're talking in a business or whether

you're talking within a sports team, changing culture is hard. Yeah. And the teams that we were a part of, man, we were young and we were getting after it. And we went from, you know, the team that got the first overall draft pick because they were the worst team, you know, two years later, we're in the playoffs. Four years later, we're in the Super Bowl. And so there's a lot of pride, you know, with my teammates that I played with at that time because we changed it.

Yeah. Yeah. And you won the AFC championship game. Yeah. So like, it's, man, that's football, man. Like, just crazy shit happens. Crazy shit happens. And teams, teams work it out.

And like, you know, and like, look at what Tom's going through this year. Yeah. Yeah. There's just, there's no perfect way to stick the landing in football. Like, you know, it's just like, you're so lucky if you can finish your career exactly how you want to finish. Yeah. I mean, the only guy that's ever really. you know, had the walk off was, was Elway.

Yeah. You know, his last game was a Super Bowl championship and world championship and gets to walk away. But other than that, it, you know, it, it almost never ends perfectly. Football always humbles you. It does, doesn't it? Like, yeah, it really does. And I think that's what guys struggle with so much is, like, not only the major life change. And we talk about how you stuck the landing with wine and all the stuff you're doing.

But I just think, like, you know, you have to have a healthy ego to play the game. Yeah, yeah, for sure. or else you get eaten alive. For sure. And so then it's like, hey, you know, maybe things didn't go the way I wanted in this, at this stop, and now I gotta stop playing or whatever. And you know, guys, I think struggle to replace

not only the grind, the brotherhood, but also like, you know, turn off the fact that like, the person who cares the most about it is you or I. Yeah, you know, like, we're the ones thinking about it. Otherwise, you know, everybody had a great run. We're really lucky to play this game. Absolutely. And I just don't know, like,

when you retired, just like me or the next guy, did you struggle with retirement? You know, it was interesting. I started probably, I wanna say like year seven or eight, started to plan for it. Yeah. You know, because you do see the horror stories of guys that really struggle and you see you guys that,

and it's really an interesting psychology too. I was kind of pissed when ESPN did that, the 30 for 30 called broke, right? It was about athletes that screw up in retirement. I was excited to watch it because I thought, okay, this is a really interesting psychology because you're taking guys that, you know, have always been the superstar at every level.

Yeah. They've also had extreme structure all the time. Be here, do this, eat this, you know, travel here, stay here. You've had kind of the world at your beck and call. And then you also have money. and then you have the fact that because you have money now you're a target for everybody and you put all those things in and then when it stops everything stops right away the the money's gone the adulation's gone the structure is gone and you're just sort of like all right hey you know good luck go figure it out and then you combine that with the fact that we're fundamentally aggressive risk taking people because that's what we do mentally dude yeah and And so now you look at guys, you're like, oh, I was great at football. Of course I'm going to be great at this investment or I'm going to be great at this business.

When you don't realize, you fail to realize that, you know, it took a lifetime of work to be great at football. And it takes a long time to be good at business. Right. And but guys don't factor that in. And so also you put all that stuff together. And it's a really interesting psychology. Yeah. But instead when they did the show, they just turned it into an expose of guys that, you know, waste of the stuff.

their money on rims and diamonds. It's so simple. And it's not that simple. It's not that simple. I'll tell you what, like it depends on your safety net. Like for me, yeah, I made a lot of money playing. Right. You made a lot of money playing.

Ten year contract. Yeah. How fucking crazy is 10 year contract to think about. It's like a hockey contract. Yeah. Well, real quick, before we get into that, 10 year contract, was that unprecedented? Yeah, it was, but it was also sort of fake.

You know, I mean, it was like, it was like a four year deal that had a three year option that had like another three year option and another, the, The last three-year option. That's something I learned about you. I knew a lot about you, but then I was reading that, I was like, damn, that's like a hockey contract. Yeah, it was. And it was also, you know, the biggest, the biggest thing that's changed, you know,

over the last, I don't know, what, seven, eight, nine years is how much guaranteed money there is. Yeah. You know, because like the, you know, the contracts back in there, your signing bonus was your only guarantee and everything, everything else was, you know, right? You play to get paid. Yeah. You know, and it's, you know, look, it's, it's a shit ton of money more than, more than, more

than more than ever thought I would ever see. And it was great. But it was also, it was just sort of, you know, print the big number in the paper. Like, that's not really that number. Yeah. And then people are like, $100 million man. Like I'm like, I'm looking at my bank account.

It's not quite. It's not quite. I mean, it's still a lot of money. It was great. But it wasn't, but it wasn't a hundred million. I remember when I retired, man, I started thinking of what I was going to do next, right? You know, like kind of like you,

I'd started planning too. Yeah. You know, and I also, like, when I played, there started to be the concussion stuff was coming out. Yeah, for sure. so I'm starting to worry. You know, and that can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It can be. You're like, oh, fuck am I. Something wrong with me. I can't find my keys. I wonder if it's CT. Hey,

how about my wife? Can't find anything. Yeah. No. It's like, everybody does us. Me and San Bradford. Sam Bradford's here.

One of my best buddies. We were last night, he was like, man, like, how's your, how's your dome, man,

like I'm like, man, you know, I'm stoned a lot. Okay. You know, so I forget things. Yeah.

And I was like, Meg couldn't remember any. She forgot her, you know, she forgot her purse this morning. Yeah. So I'm like, did she play football? Like, you trick your mind into thinking, you know, like, oh, you know, or I'm anxious. Or I'm going through some. Or major life changes. It got you down.

Fucking shocker. That's the way it works. You know, and the interesting thing was that they finally, somebody did the study, right, the way that you're supposed to do science, right? And they compared retired professional football players to the general population. And it turns out we have a lower incidence of suicide. We have a lower incidence of depression. We have a lower incidence of like domestic violence, you know,

than the general population. But that doesn't give it, that's not a good enough headline. Right. Now that's not, you know, there's certainly are guys that have been affected. And that's a risk. No question. That's a risk that we, that we, that we all accepted. Right.

You know, we don't get to lay down on a burning bed and complain we got burned, right? You know, football's dangerous. Right. And there's no, there's no getting around. that and there's certainly there are guys that have been affected no there's no question no question it's real c t's real all that's all it's all real i'm not discounting that at all but i don't the the part that i that i that i do get frustrated with is like the like this straight line um you know played football so you're going to be depressed and you're going to kill yourself i'm with you yeah it's like it's like

that's not you know there are a lot of other contributing factors when when that kind of stuff happens and it and it should never happen and one of the one of the real positive things that's things that has happened is that we're making it more okay to talk about. Right. You know, and that's super important, not just for football, but just for society. Yeah. You know, especially as men, like, you know, I'm depressed. Yeah.

Well, what's wrong with me? Yeah. You know, I can't go talk to somebody about being depressed, you know, because that makes me, you know, the week or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And we're, I do think that we're getting much. better at making it okay to talk about.

Do you think a sports psychologist in the building would have been good for your team or you like back in day? Because I'm jealous of guys now there's sports psychs. Yeah, 100%. Because like I'd get in my own head and you know, I'd be in a slump looking for a sack. You know, paid, I'm getting paid a ton and like I'm not, you know, three games and I'm not playing. You can get in your head, man.

Yeah, for sure. I just think, you know, there's a whole, I think you make a great point and I've made this point too. It's like, listen, look around and say, you know, and say, you know, you're going to, you society. Doesn't seem like people are doing very well in general. Yeah, I mean, you know, but every time a football player has a problem after football, we draw a straight line to that. Straight line. And I think it's always, you know, there's nuance and everything. And I think we do discount a lot of the mental health issues that people walking around have and that sort of thing.

You know, I think we do discount a lot of that nuance. Yeah, for sure. And so, and so it's hard because it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And I got out of football. And I remember, I remember, and immediately being like, I'm going to start a restaurant. Right, right. That's the quickest $100,000 I ever burnt in my life. You might as well just lit it on fire. Just lit it on fire. And there were people telling me, they were like,

are you sure you want to do this? Why do you want to do this? Right. You know, and it was, I'm not an arrogant person, but I'm a hard worker and I think I can set, if I set my mind to things, I can do anything, right? Because that's what football tells you, right? Even though it's not necessarily true.

You can work as hard as you want. The guy could be better, faster, or stronger, or whatever. I've learned that lesson. but you know i it was a perfect lesson for me it was like what you said is like we think we can go do x y z and we have the income to say we got a yeah yeah we got this and we got this so we got this so yeah so why no you do have this though yeah but it's also you know it was you know it's uh you know certainly far from an overnight success yeah and i think the uh the the the most important piece of that that's allowed our business to become a successful

business is that I actually did humble myself and say, all right, I don't know this. I need to find people that know it and hire the right people and put the right people in place. And so I've been able to surround myself with people that while, you know, technically working for me or also teaching me. Yeah. And then we've had, you know, other advantages just the fact that, you know, I grew up in the place where the business is. So there's some, some obvious, you know, kind of strategic advantages there and so on. But, yeah, I think I recognized right away that while it was something that I was passionate about and wanted to do, that there was a whole ton of it that I didn't know.

And in a lot of cases, I didn't know what I didn't know. Right. You know, so I got to learn what I'm supposed to learn before I can learn that. And now we're 15 years in and I'm still learning. So, you know, but it's become a successful thing. And it's really, really cool, though, too, to be in business and realize, though, that there is a lot of carryover in terms of the things that allowed, you know, to be successful as a football player that do translate into business. You know, you've got to have a great team around you. You've got to be very mindful about the culture you create.

You've got to have great attention to detail. You've got to plan and plan. And then you've got to be able to embrace adversity. You know, when adversity comes, we've learned in our business. And again, it's much like, much like it was with ball, sometimes getting knocked down is the best thing that can happen to you. Right. Because that's what that gives you an opportunity to improve. It's much harder to improve when you have success.

Yeah. It's harder to motivate yourself to continue to progress when things are going well. And so for us, you know, we're not trying to fuck anything up. But when we do have adversity, we're like, oh, cool. Also exposes a weak, weak spot. Absolutely. Yeah, it shows your blind spot in that particular place or it, you know, brings to the forefront, you know, something that maybe you'd glossed over because the other part of the business was working successfully, so you didn't look at that piece. So it's, you know, those things have been really cool.

And we have a really competitive team, you know, like most everybody on our team played organized sports at some level. That's not part of the interview process, by the way. it ends up kind of gravitating that way because then you have people on your team that understand the team is bigger than yourself and you know sacrifice and if you only do your exact job description and that's it you're not going to be successful so we've got a lot of people that are wired that way and that makes it easier that helps man and and um you get to go a lot of cool places also get to go a lot of cool places it turns out people drink uh people drink good wine in good places right isn't that funny my uh my my wife gave me some shit a couple years ago i'd i told her i was going to go

on this cat skiing trip up in British Columbia for work, right? She just rolls her eyes at me. She's like, that's a complete dangle. You're full of shit. Yeah. But I went up there and I came back. I told her, I sold a lot of wine.

You know, people that go on heli skiing trips like to drink good wine. So it actually was work. Now, it was enjoyable, but it was work. People in South of France love wine. Absolutely. Amen.

People in the Amalfi Coast love wine. Amen. That's research and development over there. Yeah, dude. We got to go research. We got to make sure all these places like good wine. You got to go. I'm got to go,

uh, got to go see how they're doing it in France. And we're going to have to go see how they do it in Greece and northern Italy. And, you know, in, yeah. So that part of it is really, really fun.

And I'm, and I like to travel. Yeah. You know, we talked earlier. We're empty nesters now. So my wife and I have the freedom to go now where before, you know,

everything was structured around the kids and their sports and activities and all that stuff. And so now we're, we're doing a lot of the travel that we postponed when the kids were young and, uh, we're having a ball. That's awesome. Yeah,

that's really fun. You do seem like you're having fun. I was like, man, I want, find me one fun thing to ask Drew. And she was like, oh, I found a fun fact about Drew. This is like 30 minutes ago. I'm scared. No, something about Mary. Did they offer you that role?

They did. The Brett Farve role. You almost took the Brett Farve role. So the way that it worked, Cameron Diaz was a big Niners fan. And so her first choice, she wanted Steve Young. And Steve Young was like, Steve Young was like, you know, Mormon. I can't be in something about Mary. And then the Fairley brothers are New England guys.

And so they called me next. And, you know, I was in Montana. I just didn't want to go. And then I also was just coming off of like the one, like, I don't know, crazy off the field thing that I went to an Everclear concert and jumped off the stage and got sued. It was, it was. Would you land on somebody? Yeah. Well, Max jumped off the stage.

He landed on somebody, Max Lane. And so, you know, stage diving is for the little 140-pound lead singer. It's not, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, not for, yeah. And, and, and so I, you know, got sued for that, and it was a big deal. And, and so the combination of fact that I just didn't want to leave my Montana place in the summertime and that I was just coming off of this thing that was, that was kind of bumpy. I turned it down and they gave it to Favre. Yeah, Favre. They gave it to Favre.

And by the way, terrible actor, dude, I would have been way better in that role. Brett, I hope you hear this. you're just a shitty actor. I would have been way better in that role. I think you would have been, I think you would have been better. What was Drew Bledsoe almost after football besides Brett Favre in something about Mary? Did you almost do something else?

You know, we did some, and again, you know, it was ties right back to our conversation earlier. You know, we were, we put together a group and we were doing some investing and some of that stuff. And it turns out, as we talked about earlier, didn't really know what I was doing. in retrospective we were going to go that route what I should have done is just gone and signed on with somebody else and just worked for somebody for you know four or five years and then you know done that and so we we did that for a little bit we didn't you know we didn't totally screw it up but it also wasn't it wasn't a huge success um had a coffee company for a little bit did you really yeah that was sort of business school um mostly on what not to do yeah uh but again you know didn't

we didn't, you know, lose a meaningful amount of money doing it, but it also wasn't a huge success. Life experience. Yeah. But the big thing I did, right after I retired, I kind of said yes to everything. Yeah. Mostly to figure out what I liked. And I got too busy for a while.

And now I'm, yeah, right? Fucking A, dude. Yeah. It's like, oh, all of a sudden you did get, you said yes to 10 different things. And all of a sudden, you're being pulled 10 different directions. Yeah. Yeah. And then over time, you know, learn to simplify and focus mostly just on the wine business right now.

And it's really fun. The business is successful. It's dynamic. It's changing. It's, you know, all of those things. Yeah. And then do some charity stuff and all of that. But in terms of my business time, my work time, focus mostly on the wine.

Before we go, where can we find out more about your wine, your wineries? Yeah. Just go to do. go to doubleback.com. Okay. So the story on the doubleback name, by the way, people have asked if that's a football name. You know, you got quarterback, halfback, full back, double back.

Like, no, it's not it. There were a lot of, especially in the 90s and early 2000s, there were a lot of like jock wines or celebrity wines out there. And most of them were really not very good. Yeah. And the reason was that a lot of them were just kind of endorsement deals. And so we wanted to make sure that we weren't attaching ourselves to the that stigma of jock wines.

So we wanted the story to be the real story, which is I grew up in Walla Walla, got to go live out, you know, my childhood dream and play football and then doubled back and came back home. So the story's stories about returning home. That's cool. Yeah, I was going to say,

yeah, double back. That's not even a football term. No, but you know, you can imagine how people would think that, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, what's a double back play? That sounds exotic. Yeah, it sounds exotic.

Some bill runs. Drew Bledso, So thanks for your time, man. Really appreciate it. Yeah, best to you, best to your kids, best to your family. And man, your family and especially your folks. They're good peeps. And your dad and you fall into the same category also.

It's just so interesting to be around like guys like you, guys like your dad, who were the baddest of the badasses on the field, just wrecked. And then off the field, like the kindest people. Well, you know, there's plenty of being mean on the field. We can leave that there. You go do that there, get it all out of your system, and then you come off to field. Man, life is good, man. Yeah, for sure.

Life is good, man. And we got to get a beer in Montana or a glass of wine. We can do both. We're pretty close to each other. This is funny. And I've never really run into India. I know. It's only about a half hour.

So, yeah, we'll meet in the middle somewhere and I'll bring some wine down your guys place and hang out. But, yeah, no, it's great to see you. Great to hang out a little bit. and just have always just greatly admired you and your whole family. Thanks, man. Likewise. Yeah, for sure. See in Montana.

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Middle, especially being good. That's good. That's good. I liked it too. Do you know Drew's middle name? No. McQueen. Like Steve McQueen.

Lightning McQueen. That's amazing. Yeah. Drew McQueen-Bledso. Booty. I'm going to give you guys. So this is winners and losers, green light winners and losers. We did it, Taddy Champs, the NCAA tournament.

And so what we're going to do is each team, each green light participant is going to get a good team, a winner team, and a loser team. Same deal. The winner team, if they win the entire World Cup, the participant will win the grand prize. the loser team for that participant wins the World Cup. They get the losing prize, which is, we're going to have your face painted and we're going to sit courtside at a nationally televised college basketball game.

That's right. And try to get on TV as much as possible. We're going to try to become the ball boy too. You too? You want to be the ball boy. Honestly, that was funny. When they were like talking about the punishments, and they were like, we might actually try to get you guys

like fetching some balls. I was like, Macon might really, yeah. Yeah. Macon's going to hope his bad team is fucking Brazil. That's right. At this rate, looking at these punishments. So I'm going to give you guys the hat. You're going to select the order. It's going to be snake draft.

And we'll pick our winning team, our good team first. Who do you want to be your good team? Like, who do you actually want to pull for in this fucking thing? I really love England, just generally. Yeah, I'd hate you. Yeah, yeah.

So that'd be fun. Germany, too. Yeah. And so they're participating teams. It's the top 16 of 32. We've got Qatar, Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Uruguay, Switzerland, the United States and Croatia. By the way, have you seen the fucking group that the U.S. is in?

Supposedly it's the group of death? Yeah, the group of death. England, Iran, United States, and Wales. Really? Yeah, supposedly. Why? Because of it's a Garrett Bale? Is he still playing?

Well, no, it's because of the depth of that group. Everybody in that group is like top 40 or whatever the hell. You know, like every, it's the floor on that group is really high. Okay. So if we can get out of that state. I feel pretty good about us. The young kid, Christian Pulsich. Yeah, Pulisich.

Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Whatever indeed, because supposedly he's not even playing a lot on his English soccer club. What do they have against him? Well, just keeping the mileage low for the World Cup. Yeah, you're right. I'm rooting for Argentina if everything works out here.

I'd love to get Argentina. I'd love for Argentina to be my good team. And maybe if Argentina, we could work something. And then if, like, if Argentina wins, you guys could get permission from my lovely wife that I get to go to Argentina. France, I want them, I want to root against France. I don't like the French. Second best odds. Mbapé, yeah, good player.

Probably had the best post, like, World Cup party circuit of all time, had to, 19 years old or whatever he was, like, a few years back. I just felt like he had France by the... Had France by the Palm Freet. Brazil is the favorite right now at plus 350 on the windbed app, Argentina, 450, France, 600, and England plus 800. All righty. First, uh, lot of balls going to Reed and Ralph. All right.

Team effort. Reading Ralph. We are going. This is the good team. This is the cash prize team. You're rooting for this team. Are cheering for the home country of Qatar. Wow.

Wow. Wow. They're the worst team in the damn tournament. That's right, which they are. We were doing top 16. Yeah, and they're seated one because they're the host country. Their odds are plus 25,000. Okay, so it's good a third from the top.

I'm not asking any questions, too. Good for you guys. Now, do you want to come back around to pick your loser? Again, it's a lot. Yeah, we'll come back around to pick a loser. All right. Now we're picking for Dr. Fax. Dr. Fax,

is a winning country. Dr. Fax's winning country is Belgium. Belgium. Now that's a good fit for Fax. Yeah. I could see Fax making a little a trip there. Watch the games with the folks. I think Belgium is the biggest value from what it sounds like.

if you were to bet Belgium, the odds on them are pretty juicy and they're actually decent. Like I know they're on the tail end of some... Plus 1,600. Yeah, plus 1,600. What do they call it there? The golden era or whatever. They had a bunch of really good players and now they're older. I tell you one thing about Belgian soccer.

They're often on the front foot. Yep, for sure. I think they run like the 5-3, whatever. Yeah. They do headers, corner kicks. They do it all. Good soccer players. Yeah.

Macon. Macon. I am up. Good haircuts. Those soccer guys, they got good haircuts. I'll tell you that. Their hair stays.

Yeah. Exactly. What's going on with their plug game is incredible out there? Wayne Rooney, even when it goes away, it comes back. There's no way that that's all real, all that lettuce.

Yeah. Agreed. American soccer players don't have lettuce like that. Alexi Lalas? Where have you gone? Yeah, but his lettuce isn't like fucking, you know, like Kobe Jones? I'm trying to think of the guy from France.

His name starts with a G. Guy had incredible lettuce. The striker. Giroux? Juru? Look at Juru's fucking lettuce, dude. Not there. Oh, the VA.

Yeah, well, I don't know what the hell he's been doing to that lettuce. Looks like Zach Ephron. Yes, that's correct. Yeah. Man, he had it going on the last time I saw him play. Now he's got a fucking vanilla ice thing going. Macon. Your winning team.

Switzerland. Okay. I am Switzerland. you know everybody's best friend just play it down the middle sure that's going to be tough it looks like for the for the lads and uh switzerland their odds plus 25 000 jesus equal to cutter all right roger federer is from switzerland chris that's good we love him yeah bosle or big watch guy some shit okay next person we're picking for kyle long Kyle would be a good

Croatian cat Kyle's Brazil Good Brazilian cat The rich get richer Wow They'll find a way to blow it It's too much pressure on their side That side is

You know it's like You go home it's a big deal Bow's up Bow Allen Bo Allen We're gonna spin our wheel You know the Brazilians are strong In each phase of the game

featuring top-notch talent all over the pitch. As strong as they are in attack, Brazil's defense may become the story of the tournament. And Bo Allen goes France. Wow. You know, there's no in between here. I think the people listening either know nothing about soccer, hence they don't give a fuck, or they know a ton about soccer and they're mad. This is the beauty of talking soccer. I think Bo could fit as a French fan. He would fit amongst the crowd.

Yeah. Scott and Brian. Scott and Brian. The corporate representation. Spain. Wow. Congratulations. Who were all the guys?

What we just need is like 2008 FIFA rosters. We could be highly annoying if we just read off those. How many FIFA players can you remember from back in the day? Iron Robin. He used to run so fucking fast down the field. Left foot. Hell of a left foot. Yeah, goofy footed.

is what they call it. What about, what about Ivory Coast? Oh, my guy, Draugba. Dragba, yeah. And then they had a bunch of dudes. Torre, he's a beast dude. Draugba. I met Dragba at an exhibition in St. Louis.

They were playing Bosnia? Does that sound right? Playing in the Edward Jones Zone. Dragba was like, what the fuck is this? It's so dark in here. You're right. Good memory. Yeah, they were playing Bosnia.

you. Chris is up. Chris. Chris. Yeah. Show me. Mexico. Mexico. Awesome. I love Mexico. Yeah. And they're halfway decent, right? Yeah. Mexico. We've got the odds at

plus 15,000. So. 15,000, huh? Yeah. You know you're there. You sure that's not a, there's an extra zero on there? I mean, I don't give a fuck. The only side I care about is the bad, the bad pick. And Kingston is the last

of our winning teams here. And Kingston's going to be rooting for England. Oh, that lucky son of a gun. If you sitting here, you go, yes. You might remember in the Taddy champs, he drew Gonzaga. He should have a Drew Timmy tattoo as we speak. All right. Now we're running it back with the with the

That's right. important part. Kingston up first. A lot of good, wait, hold on, which good teams have not been drawn yet? Very good. Argentina still on the board. Fuck, if I get Argentina, I got a route against Argentina. You know what?

If I get Argentina, I'm still going to root for Argentina. I'm going to bet Argentina big. And then I'm going to be happy to go to the UVA game with Argentina face paint. Those are good colors. Oh, great colors, unless it's a Carolina game. Oh, no. Oh, please don't let it be Argentina. I didn't hear Germany.

Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, the United States, Netherlands, Portugal and Croatia. Portugal's washed. Cristiano Ronaldo washed. Kingston is the first drawer of the losing side. For Kingston's losing side,

he's going to be hoping that Mexico does not win the World Cup. Oh, wow. Fuck. So all the teams are still in there. That's how we do it, yeah. That's good. I like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Get some friction built. Right. This is Chris, right? Yeah. Yep. So Chris, you're hoping that Switzerland does not win.

That's good. Talk about tension, right? Are they good? And make it. Reed says no, but they're my winning team. What are they, what are their odds? Pretty fucking difficult. They're at the bottom plus 25,000.

Good. Hey. Great. Started from the bottom. Scott and Scott is going to hope that Portugal does not win a good little rivalry there Spain and Portugal Yeah

You know you want to hope What you want to hope for is that you don't get a bunch of yellow cards or red cards Right You toss out of the game Be a manned down Yeah Next up Bo Allen

That's right For France he's rooting against Denmark Wow Electric This would be This would be pretty great if one team gets the same on both sides

never before seen in the winners and losers lottery Kyle long rooting for Brazil rooting against Netherlands Big boy might Yikes And he's the guy that I feel the worst for Like poor guy was just minding his fucking business

When we thought this up last week You know the last thing we wanted He's famous You know he's huge He's gonna look enormous sitting court side The bright orange face And they are plus 1,300 odds to win.

Yeah. At least there's some Virginia symmetry. Not that he cares about UVA hoops, but he'd fit in with some of the Is Syracuse good this year? We picked that game, send him Yeah. Well, he could, our colors are orange and blue.

This is me, yeah? Yeah. Macon. Routing against? England. Oh, for fuck sake. That's awful. Did you rig that?

No, that was straight up. Greenlight rigged. Plus 800. And also your hopeful winning team. Spin zone. I would love to paint the, whatever the fuck it's called on my face and go anywhere. All those little lions? I'm going to get like a professional face painter.

We're going to, yeah, we should have a professional face painter to make sure that. Yeah. That guy is an anglophile. Some people are going to be saying as they walk to their seats. Can I drape the. the flag around me too. Yeah. Please.

And Prince Charles, King Charles Mac. Fish and chips. I guess I can't do a mask. Fish and chips. Yeah, sure. Now we've got Dr.

Fax. Fuck your teeth up. Hey, already there, says the green light audience. No, they did not. Yeah, yeah.

I got enormous teeth. I had gone, I got 36 years without knowing I had enormous teeth. And now, hey, here's the internet. One day,

Kyle told me I had shark teeth. And I was like, God damn, I really do need to get eviseline. But Kyle, your teeth aren't much bigger than mine, buddy. Bigger or better?

Neither. Since invisaline. Dr. Fax, rooting against. Croatia. Rooting for Belgium, rooting against Croatia. The Croats. Yeah, Croats. Reed, rooting for Cutter, rooting against.

Cutter. No way. Stop it. Straight up. Nothing happens. Really, yeah, Ralph and I. Reed. Yep.

On the sidelines. All right. That's impressive. Yeah. So no, is that everything? Argentina not participating. All right.

So who's got the most, who's got the biggest chance to get fucked here? According to Vegas. Is it making? It's make dog. Yeah. But, you know, they're like the fifth best odds,

I think. So you're still in pretty good shape. Yeah. England is, Yep, they're high up there top five. Now Kyle's up there too. Netherlands are in that range as well. Are they not?

Yeah, they're seven at plus 1,300. Only eight teams have ever won the World Cup. Does the World Cup have a parity problem? Yeah, I'd say so. In Portugal, not far behind for Scott and Brian at plus 1,600. You know, I think what's going to be key are the free kicks. the goalies off sides

advantages certainly stoppage time and set pieces how fit are these players they've got to be top top shape they have to be in top shape weather

heat they have air conditioning at the stadium there I've got ten dollars ten American dollars Chris if you can tell me the two teams you're rooting for and against so I'm I am rooting against Switzerland. That's right.

And I am rooting for, God damn, I forgot already. Okay, all right. Hold on a second. Give me two minutes here. Two minutes. Yeah, well, you know, $10, two minutes. All right.

$5 a minute. Can I see the list? Oh, no, that's not. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, all right. Can I tell you? It wasn't an African team. It wasn't an Asian team.

It wasn't the United States. It was Mexico. That's right. Mexica. Impressive. Because their odds are plus 150,000. Ralph and I, we would like to offer something in the spirit of competitiveness.

What if Ralph and I traded our teams in, both of them, we get a winner of Argentina and we get our losing team of Argentina. Why don't you throw in Germany? to one of those and you got yourselves a deal okay you pick which one would you rather us winning team argentina i mean winning team germany i'm sorry i need i need them to lose and go dressed up in so i would losing team argentina winning team germany okay because i think they'd look really good in carolina blue and i think they ralph just texted us problematic and how about this how about this since Ralph and I are in a team together

we'll do a losing team Germany and Argentina so we go together Ralph comes down one of us picks Argentina one of us picks Germany delightful. How about that? Delightful, sure, whatever you guys want to do. Also, Ralph

is on board. This is actually Ralph's idea. They basically just got Germany and Argentina. They basically just got paid is what they just negotiated. That's fine. I don't care about them getting paid. All I care about is a person sitting court side in fucking face paint. Ralph also just broke some very disappointing news in the group chat. What?

Brown's bills will be played in Detroit. Oh, fuck. I wanted to bet the over because I was working. Ah, God damn it. I'm sorry to report. Ralph is sorry to report. What did he say? 1 p.m. kickoff.

Browns bills. Bob Sagat! In Detroit. Bob Sagat! The total was 41! By the way, bet Utah this weekend. Bet Utah this weekend.

Can I tell you something? Yeah. Can I finish the show on this? The other night I was trying to get my mind off of shit. So I just started watching comedies. Like, I was like, let me try this, the Seinfeld show. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Don't get it. Well, you're about 30 years too late. But if it's funny, it's supposed to be funny. No, I don't think so. Some stuff holds up and some stuff doesn't. I think if you were mid-90s, you would have been all about it. I would have called you crazy if you stuck with your suck session take. Yeah.

But saying that Seinfeld doesn't play for you, I can understand, especially 25 years later. I just don't get it. Does Seinfeld know he's not funny? Which is a good question for me to ask, right? As the host of this podcast. But, yeah. Oh, I started with season one. I texted Kingston.

I was like, hey, this Seinfeld show like, I just tried it. It's not that good. He's like, well, you want to avoid season one? You want to go to seasons four through seven when Larry David was at his peak as a writer and the whole thing. And I was like, at that point, I had skipped ahead to season nine. I was like still not good. So then I went to like season four still not good. The standups objectively bad. Was the standup supposed to be bad to start every show? No, it's supposed to be good. I, I, I, I, it's not a show like you want to go into with high expectations, I think. Really? Yeah, it was very different. It was very cutting edge for its time. There hadn't been a situational comedy that was hitting on all the observational stuff that that Jerry and Larry were doing. It was curb in the 90s. So they're like a player from the 40s or something that like that changed the game.

And that's why they're important. It's not actually like, you know. I don't think, no, could I, could I rewatch it now? Answer's no. answer's no. So in that sense, I'm with you. Costanza's funny. Yeah. But not enough to make me want to watch the show. And you like George because he's, he's Larry. That's who Larry's supposed to be. That was, that's he was writing. Yeah. So Larry David on curb is analogous to George on Seinfeld. I also respectfully tried

an episode of Arrested Development. Yeah. On the houseboat, the first one. Arrested Development is, does hold up in my opinion. Maybe it does. You want to get back to me on which season's the best? I think they're only like three, so I probably just ended up watching this Chappelle show for two hours. Well, that's a can mess. It definitely holds up. I've got $10 in my cash

app account for any, for either of you can name Jerry Seinfeld's born name. Hmm, that's a good one. It'd be nice to take home 20 bucks today. Well, like you want his full government name. Well, two, first and last.

I think it's... Not Jerry Seinfeld? It's Jerome Seinfeld. Impressive. Oh, that's interesting. I always knew it was Jerome, and I, hey, hit my cash tag, dog. See, the money's just moving around in a circle. I appreciate you, yeah.

Triangle. Yeah. Okay, so I'll try a rest of development a little bit more. And Seinfeld, not... Something funny for you. White Lotus? Are you watching White Lotus? I need to catch up.

Oh, no, you were watching Shorzie earlier. I was watching a little clip of Shorzy. Yeah, huh? I just, I just, huh? Yeah, I know. What is that? Huh? What is that?

It's just this character. Have you seen Shorzy? No, but it was already funny. The episodes are very easy to watch. They're hilarious. I might have a problem. It's basically about, it's a hockey team in Canada and the lower leagues. you just have a you have a high motor in most things right like and if it's not hitting right

away I can see you getting frustrated well not frustrated just like what what is it's not funny and then you kind of start rooting against it maybe a little bit no I promise you I know because I even I was trying dude to Seinfeld season one Seinfeld season nine Seinfeld season four yeah about six minutes of each season and I was out six minutes What about comedy specials? Do you like stand up? Not a lot of them. I think very few.

Chappelle's? Yes, I mean, because he's not trying to be funny. Like, he's just talking. You know what I mean? I love seeing Tom Segura. Yeah. That was really great. Jervais.

Maybe. Should I watch the British office? No. Not funny? Overrated. Whoa. Okay. It's really good, but it's a lot, it's a lot drier.

You actually probably like it better than the American office, but. Hard to, hard to imagine. I'm not, uh, let me, let me think of this. Comedy for Chris. Send me some comedies. Greenlight pod. Just listen back to the pod. Yeah, it's fucking makes me laugh every time.

Three, four years of it at this point. Makes me fucking cringe every time. Go back to season one episode, want a green light pod. Oh, I don't want to do that. All right. You all take care.