Green Light with Chris Long - Ep. 21 - NFL Playoff Trends and Picks. Joe Judge. Greatest Movie Speeches. Drunk Dialing Mike Leach.

Episode Date: January 11, 2020

2:37 - News of the Week. 8:45 - joe Judge Coaching Hire. 21:27 - Movie Motivators (analyzing speeches from movies such as any given Sunday, miracle, warrior, Glengarry Glen Ross, etc). 49:08 - Mike Le...ach Stories. 59:22 - I need to talk FB (divisional round and CFB picks). 1:14:09 - playoff trends. About Chalk Media: Following the unfiltered voice and vision of Chris Long, Chalk Media is the interactive online community for you, the intelligent and humorous sports fan. Driven by access, Chalk delivers a unique perspective that cuts through the canned talking points and provides a variety of content from your favorite sports and entertainment celebrities. Here at Chalk, we don’t take ourselves too seriously, but we are rooted in challenging the perception of professional athletes. We embrace the “real” with a unique combination of humor and intelligence. Chalk is a community with a voice beyond 240 characters that brings a perspective and vibe to a traditionally brash and boastful sports media space. Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more. Nothing is off limits at Chalk - hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Episode 21. We're so old. We've been doing this so long. God, it feels like yesterday we just started off. Greenlight Pod. Coming up, we got head coaching press conferences in the NFL. That's all that matters, right?
Starting point is 00:00:15 Might as well hand somebody a Lombardi trophy if they have a good press conference. We got Mike Leach, Mississippi State. We got the NFL playoffs. We got Tom Brady. And we've got some of our favorite sports movies and inspirational speeches in general. check us out and check out my interview with Dave Damashek.
Starting point is 00:00:33 We really got in depth on the divisional round stuff. So check that out as well. We have a live watch this Saturday night, Ravens, Titans, all that on Greenlight. Can legally drink? We about to get drunk. 21 was my favorite number because of Tiki Barber. Tiki Barber, shout of Tiki Barber, gave me a ride home from the Orange Bowl. Also, thanks for watching.
Starting point is 00:01:19 A lot of people are watching this pod now. You noticed that lately? No, I purposefully do not. A lot of people are big fans of yours make. All right, let's get this thing rolling. It's always a blessing to have you back. Making Gunner, my co-host here, real estate extraordinaire. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:01:36 And me, dumb jock co-host. I'm a co-host. I don't consider myself the host. I think you're the host. We were just having this conversation. I want to add the dumb adjective to myself a few seconds ago. What did you say? Well, I said purposefully.
Starting point is 00:01:53 I really panicked in about a fraction of a second. Yeah. I meant to say purposely, which means on purpose, that's a synonym of intentionally. Right. Purposefully means with a sense of purpose or with determination. So I don't, with determination, avoid our numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, on purpose avoid looking at the numbers.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Yeah, got it. You purposefully avoid the numbers. No, purposely. Con. One-0-0-0-me on the day. He just can't help but correct me. And he couldn't even wait to get to corrections. Usually I take my medicine like a big boy.
Starting point is 00:02:28 He says one very complex word wrong, and he can't wait to the corrections. Big news today, I'm just going through the news. Taco Bell, did you hear about this? No. They're paying people like 100K to work there now. Good, good. What is the catch? I don't know, but I love it.
Starting point is 00:02:47 and I am pro Taco Bell. We did that weeks ago now. I'm really craving some Taco Bell. So when I get out of here, I might go back to the well again on that one. Yeah. Another thing I read on that machine there was that Josh McCown,
Starting point is 00:03:03 it's come out that he ripped his hamstring off the bone in that game last week. You can only do that by being fast, which he is. Right. Yeah. And shout out to Josh McCown. I mean, like, to be that tough and gritty and just determined, this only adds to the lore. I remember when we were watching that live, but a live watch for those of you who, you know, it's another thing.
Starting point is 00:03:30 We do a mailbag. We do live watches. It's one-of-a-kind content here. You can't find it anywhere else. And check it out tonight, Saturday night. We're doing Ravens Titans. We're doing Ravens Titans. That's going to be a big deal.
Starting point is 00:03:41 If you've heard of the Ravens, they're a very good football team. some would say they're the hottest team in football. I would argue that the Titans are just as hot, especially because the Ravens had two weeks off. But we'll see. But yeah, Josh McCown, dude, I know he lost the game, but he's never going to be,
Starting point is 00:04:00 he's never a loser to me because this dude has been a consummate professional, his entire career, everybody that's played with him, you'd be hard-pressed to find a single negative thing to say about him. I think sometimes when you hear somebody say, you can't find a bad thing to say about the guy. I always think, well, that guy must be fake because something wrong with all of us.
Starting point is 00:04:17 I would hope somebody has bad things to say about me. I know they do. Plenty, yeah. You too. I mean, I was just saying bad things about you last night. I talked to my wife. We were talking shit about you. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:04:26 For about 30 minutes. Are you serious? No, only 15. Why? What things? We'll get to. I'm just, it's a plan. I'm planning this in your head
Starting point is 00:04:36 to make you feel self-conscious for the rest of the podcast. Huh. Could be true? Could not be true. Oh, no, it's true. Oh, God. And now I'm upset. Oh, my God. Well, this is training for when the stakes are higher when we have millions of viewers.
Starting point is 00:04:53 I got to push you to be uncomfortable as a co-host. So this is master manipulation, coaching, motivation. We're going to get into that stuff now. That's what I'm doing to you right now. Yeah, Josh, you can never find a negative thing to say about them. Not like you or I, where there's actually real negatives. I mean, you would admit that there's negatives about you, right? Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:05:16 I just don't know what you and your wife are talking about for 15 minutes. It wasn't 15. It was like three. Josh McAllen-Torke's hamstring off the bone. That's definitely newsworthy because we were watching it. And like, dude's still trying to run around. And it's hard to run around when you're 40 years old anyways on a football field with those dudes out there.
Starting point is 00:05:43 but with the hamstring off the bone that's tough too also a 17 year old kid discovered a planet hmm yeah telescope or something uh no he was interning at nassah and he discovered a planet at 17 years old so i was thinking about the fact that i haven't done anything that cool in 34 years oh sure you have no neither of us have i mean discovering a planet shout out to that kid um his name is where was it Anyways. Wim Hof? No, it's not Wim Hof. It is, what's this kid's name?
Starting point is 00:06:22 Here he is. New York Teen discovers new planet while interning with NASA. A New York Teen Reach for the Stars. That's how you opened the article and found a one-of-a-kind planet, Wolf Cookier. All right. And you brought me down, you know, a few seconds ago, everybody heard it.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I came in here with an elevator. mood because I did do Wimhoff's cold shower morning awful I was like okay and I've read about the benefits before of a cold shower yeah the bennies frigid yeah I got in it hit like my feet and I started screaming and I decided I couldn't do it so I went warm shower for about three to five minutes then I said okay come on content for the program etc i went back to frigid and i did it so this was a surprise you told me you had a surprise yeah and um i did feel good afterward you did so how long did you stay cold two that's that's a good solid stretch yeah and i was the hyperventilation thing is real right yeah and i was screaming a little bit during it i was like dancing around and jumping in it yeah you move
Starting point is 00:07:35 you're like i if you literally just put the cold water on your head your head hurt yeah um It does hurt. It hurts at first. Yeah, you got to move it to like your, sometimes I'll just, you know, it's a struggle for me to get through a minute. So kudos to you. Thank you. Greg Dodson on Twitter said,
Starting point is 00:07:54 finish the green light pod, tried the cold shower immediately, one minute definite heavy breathing, still alive and put in a four mile run complete with four sets of 13 pushups. My recommended set number, he said I'm hooked. There we go.
Starting point is 00:08:09 It's a movement. I'm telling you, Wimhoff, shout out to Wimhoff. relative of the program, not a friend of the program, distant relative of the program. He doesn't know it yet, but we are going to start this cold shower movement. Nobody's going to do it together,
Starting point is 00:08:23 everybody individually, taking their own showers, but, you know, it really is game changer. Did you feel the rush of kind of like the euphoria a little bit? No. No, yeah, well, I get that.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah, so Wimhoff, big fan of that. Also this week, We had your New York Giants hire someone. Oh, love it. You like that. Could not love it anymore. Tell me why. You might recall that I told you,
Starting point is 00:08:54 why can't teams just hire somebody I've never heard of? That's what I said. Yeah. And that's what I wanted. And I also mentioned for the G-Men, Dave Tob, who's a special teams guy in Kansas City. Instead, I get special teams guy in New England, who's coached under.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Arguably better. Belichick, Sabin, role only grew in New England you know you talk about John Harbaal he's the first name that comes to mine other special teams guys who became head coaches who made it Bill Belichick Dick Vermeal Meal Marvie Mike Dicka
Starting point is 00:09:29 it's a long list Cower right Bill Cower so I'm fired up he also wore Navy suit white shirt black tie thought it was a great look to the presser Yeah. And he answered questions
Starting point is 00:09:44 authentically, it seemed to me. Now, everybody's talking about pads, tackling and practice. That's a downer if I'm sitting there as a giant and I'm north of 30 or really at all. And most of these kids, you know, have not seen a lot of that because they're new CBA guys.
Starting point is 00:10:04 I had a couple years of it. But I've been in some places where they still threw on the pads a lot and tackle a lot. If I'm hearing that, when you get a new coach and you're waiting and I've done that a bunch of times in my career you're like
Starting point is 00:10:14 it's like a box of chocolates you really don't know it could be like pro player coach it could be you could be going to hell you know for a few years here and Joe Judge by the way I'm not even going to argue the merits of the hire I heard all week hey wide receivers coach wide receivers coach
Starting point is 00:10:31 the guy made his hey as a special teams coach it is relevant information he was in New England for 8 10 years and as you mentioned Sabin and Belich I can't figure out if it's a bill thing where he just throws him at the Giants because he doesn't think he's going to succeed or if he likes him and that's why he gave his blessing.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Did he give blessing? That's what I don't know to get. You have to ask for permission. No, but just it's more like, do you endorse this guy? And if you're bill, an endorsement means a lot. And from what I understand, he really likes Joe Judge, like authentically.
Starting point is 00:11:07 But some people might look at it like, you know, we joked about the Mike Michael Bennett trade, if you, the way he traded Bennett away is possibly his best pass rusher up front had he used them correctly, you'd wonder if he, if it was a case of, I can't stand him so I'm getting rid of him, or I think the cowboys are good,
Starting point is 00:11:25 so I'm gonna plant him here because I think he's disruptive and he's gonna disrupt the whole thing. I think it's more of an, authentically, I think he likes Joe Judge. Yeah, I know there have been cases of permission being denied to talk to X, Y, or Z. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Can you be denied permission to talk to somebody and offer them a job anyway? I don't know. That's such a weird deal. It's a very weird dynamic. We're going to get into all the weirdness of like the hiring practices and processes. A lot of these coaches know who they're going to hire. These GMs and owners know who they're going to hire halfway through the season. There's a lot of back channel stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:12:03 But Joe Judge was not, he wasn't in the forefront. Right. In fact, I tried to read a, tried to read a very, interesting article, it was very long, on the timeline with which this all went down. And he was kind of the, if it was musical chairs, he wasn't the center of attention. He was the guy that was just going to end up with the chair he ended up with, if at all, and he blew them away in the interview process. And that coupled with the moving parts of Rule and McDaniels, who by the time this pod drops
Starting point is 00:12:30 could have a job in Cleveland, I don't know. I think Joe Judge, if you're looking for a motivator, will be just fine. I mean, I've been there with him in New England. He's well respected. You talk to Matt Slater. You talked to, you know, a number of those special teams guys who were iconic there. Did you all notice how Chris couldn't name one more of his teammates?
Starting point is 00:12:57 Landon Roberts. You could talk about Nate Ebner. You could talk about I was only there for a year. It's cool. I could name some specials. special teams guys there. There was the punter, the kicker, Gaskowski. There you go. You know. He was a team long guy. Goscowski? This fantasy season. Yeah, even on IR. Yeah, I kept him on. For like five, six weeks. There were a number of guys there that when you ask about him said that he
Starting point is 00:13:27 knows enough about both sides of the ball that he'll survive. He's not a play caller. But I don't think that's a necessity now. Right. I think it shouldn't be. I think you should have a guy who's managing the other coaches and an offensive play caller, defensive play caller, and intensity-wise at least, it looks to be a 180 from Pat Schumer. It does.
Starting point is 00:13:48 And of course there's a whole number of questions about Pat Shermer, who's won like nine games, you know. And Ben McAdoo for that. And Ben McAdoo, who was just sub-500, who Pat Schumer may look good. I think you have, from a motivational standpoint,
Starting point is 00:14:07 you're better off. With Joe Judge and the physicality that he's going to bring to that team, I mean, teams aren't going to want to face a team that's physical and has Sequin Barclay. If they can shore up that offensive line and they make it their identity, and you can't lead with that in today's football, you know, you need a wrinkle. I mean, San Francisco has done that, but their scheme is very dynamic. They also take shots. You know, the Ravens were another one of those top four teams that had, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:34 top four rushing attacks, you know, in the playoffs. The Ravens have a wrinkle in Lamar. I mean, Seattle is one of the true teams that still runs the ball, like at a dinosaur level a little bit with some of these new age analytics people that want them to move on. But all these rushing teams, you can't lean on at 100%, but you could use the physicality that I think he's going to implement there. And, you know, time will tell.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I don't know why we have to everybody weigh in on if it's going to work or not. We've gotten this thing where we have to call if Joe Judge is going to be successful or not. I don't know. What I can give you is background on who he is. And I'm just tired of everybody being like, oh, it's going to work or it's not going to work. Just let it play out. As a player in St. Louis, you probably watched, or maybe you didn't. The question is, did you watch the new coaches introductory press conference? Yeah, I'll always remember watching Jeff Fisher's. I would try to watch him because I would try to get a read on coaches. And we're doing this thing now. You know, press conferences, it's almost become a running joke where if you win the press conference,
Starting point is 00:15:41 I mean, hey, it's all downhill from here, right? And you mentioned something earlier, which is you talk about, you know, letting the play callers call plays before we get on the press. You know, I think, and this is more of a college model, you think about some of these older coaches in college, that more figurehead type coaches, motivators, they got their play callers. I used to hear about like, you know, Bowden would be up in the tower or on a golf card or whatever. And that's a unique situation. But I think a lot of people don't, surface level football fans, don't think about all the game management, the schedule, you know, how you travel your team, you know, when you go out, sports science, managing that program, managing the analytics, managing strength and conditioning,
Starting point is 00:16:26 the training staff, managing people. I mean, that is A1 for head coaches. You can be the best play car in the league, but if you aren't emotionally intelligent, and we'll get into that in a minute, and if you don't know people, and if you're not a planner, as far as like the details are concerned,
Starting point is 00:16:44 and you've got people up in the booth that give you game time situational stuff or they got the sheet and whatnot, but at the end of the day, you're the one who okays a challenge flag or doesn't. And Shermer, you know, who has a guy called down from the booth and tells him not to challenge it. He challenges it anyways
Starting point is 00:17:00 and then rips the challenge guy. It's not an automatic. And it's happening in real time with a lot of pressure on. You've been thinking about all these games situations. Something pops up. All coaches are not created equal from situational awareness perspective and an emotional intelligence perspective and we haven't even gotten to the play calling.
Starting point is 00:17:20 But did Joe Judge win the press conference other than the Navy? did you like what he had to say? I thought it was an A-minus. A-minus, okay. I think he could have toned down the, hey, we're just going to run our players into the ground seven days out of the week.
Starting point is 00:17:39 But no, I really liked it. Like the higher again, I wanted somebody I had never heard of, which is a strange criterion to have. But, go. Got that guy and Joe Judge. Yeah, I mean, and we'll see, again, we'll see how it plays out.
Starting point is 00:17:53 I like the guy. it doesn't mean I like to hire. Do I, do I think, you know, the process was surprising? Yeah, absolutely. But I'm never, I'm never surprised with these, with the way, you know, the lack of predictability of how people hire. I mean, you look at McCarthy, you know, what, we'll get into it later. But the rule press conference is the one that was, that was the, that was the, everybody's favorite this week, right? Which I did not get. I didn't get it. And I like rule. I mean, I do. I think he's a program builder. I think as I went back and studied. the last five years coaches that were getting jobs.
Starting point is 00:18:30 He's as qualified as any college guy that's come up as far as a program builder. And that was Tepper's guy since the beginning probably, which is another issue with this hiring process is, how do you avoid it? But owners generally have their guy, and he threw him a lot of money. He's built two programs up at Temple and Baylor,
Starting point is 00:18:48 teams that were laughing stocks at one point. And when he was interviewed on the field, I guess most recently at Baylor, you can tell going in a halftime or after a game, he's seeing everything clearly. Yes. Very intelligent, knows football. I get it.
Starting point is 00:19:05 I can see why he's successful. But the, hey, you got to watch this press conference. It'll take your breath away sort of stuff. And I'm like. Was lost on me. Yeah, there was no breath taken away. No. Listen, just fine.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah. It was just fine. He likes football. He likes football. Got it. Got it. You know, by the way, he's a Parcell's guy. Like's football.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Football has taken him great places. I've heard that speech a lot. So my thing is just don't package it like it's anything crazy. I know you have to blow people away. And he wasn't responsible for the marketing of his presser. No. So it's not on him. No, he's doing the best he can in a presser.
Starting point is 00:19:43 I mean, like, and he's being his profession. He spoke well. I mean, like, listen, he seems like a good public speaker. He seems like he's going to address the team well. but um and another thing is did he tell the guys on text message that he was leaving i know that's relatively in college now you know you know college uh status quo better than i do is that pretty prevalent right now no it's it's still standard operating procedure to to get your guys in the in the room and tell them yourself it'd be interesting to see what uh coach leech did too i don't know about rule we'll look into that
Starting point is 00:20:19 Well, I heard, I read that he texted every player individually. Okay. Well. It would take less effort to get on a plane and fly back and call a meeting. Right. And isn't that a lot of copy paste change the first name? Yeah. Yeah, which just seems...
Starting point is 00:20:39 And all the players are going to say, hey, did you get this text? Yeah, I mean, you would think, unless he personalized every one, and kudos to him. And only as players know what type of guy he is, but for me, that always rubs me wrong when you can't stand in front of your team and tell them why you're leaving. Because God forbid, a player transfers
Starting point is 00:20:55 or anything like that, but that's a whole other tangent. Again, no issue with his speaking ability or, for me, it was just, I was like you, I was getting ready to hold my breath and have it taken away. And it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:21:10 It seemed like a movie speech to me a little bit. And so that prompted, that prompted me, at least, to go back and look through my favorite sports movie speeches and motivational speeches and movies. And what I discovered is that they are way overrated generally. And I against your will had you looking up movie scenes,
Starting point is 00:21:35 which I thought was like pulling teeth. Well, when someone tells me they're going to send me videos or links to videos, I sit there awaiting the videos. That's fair. Or the links to videos. You know, all you have to do is Google TV or movie speeches, you know. They never came.
Starting point is 00:21:56 There's only 15. They never came. I got two kids, man, you know. So for all I knew, this pot wasn't on today. Oh, God. Here we go. How about any given Sunday? That's the goat for me.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Okay. You're going to let me down here. I'm going to let you down by saying I haven't seen the film. Well, the film, you don't need to see the film. The film is, what bothered me about that film was that for a long time, you had people that really thought that we were all like chainsawing escalades on the roof. And that was like how we lived at like parties and shit. Like, it's very misleading as far as the lifestyle component is concerned.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Whatever team that was, I've never seen a team like it. Maybe in the 80s or something, but, you know, it's a lot more tame than that. Now the speech, have you ever seen the speech? Nah, man. And let me explain myself before you get into it. Yeah. I think I'm immersed in sports, you more so than me. Yeah, well, not necessarily.
Starting point is 00:22:58 I just think it's so hard to do a fictional story about sports and have it be believable to a sports fan. On that, yes. So it's just not my favorite genre, as Mr. Trebek would say. Now listen. and by the way, I thought it was fucked up the way they treated Tribeck on Jeopardy. I heard they okay boomered him. Did they really?
Starting point is 00:23:19 Yeah, that's what I heard. I don't know if that's true or not. Trebek the goat. The goat. Anyways, yeah, listen, for an athlete, I think sports fans in general, and there's no disrespect.
Starting point is 00:23:32 People are more idealistic when it comes to sports than athletes. Like, whatever your profession, whatever you do, if they made a movie about it, you probably wouldn't like it. You know, and mostly sports movies bother me. Are there a lot of real estate movies?
Starting point is 00:23:45 Well, there's one, which I'm going to talk to you about. Oh, okay. You want me to wait on that? Yeah. Okay. Any given Sunday, one of the best speeches in movie history, definitely the best speech in sports history, sports movie histories.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Probably the best speech that I would have ever heard as an athlete in real life if Al Pacino had made that speech in a team meeting or maybe a little bit more abbreviated before game because a six-minute speech in the locker room is not going to play well. Guys are tight. Like when you're getting ready for a game, you know, I'm having a hard enough time.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I'm in the hot tub three times, especially when you get a little bit older because you're like, all right, I get to the stadium three hours before. I hop in to make me feel better. It might be cold out. I just want to feel better. You go out, you warm up,
Starting point is 00:24:35 you come back in, you get back in. Guys are rolling themselves out, which is basically like foam rollers or the, you know, the sticks that people rub. you know, on their calves or whatever. Lacrosse balls, guys are getting ready. There's no time for a six-minute speech. Like, you're always rushing to get one more thing on.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Nobody's as settled as that team was in that locker room. But that speech gives me chills every time. And actually, I always made the time when I was in St. Louis, especially in the darkest days of my career, that I would listen to it on my headphones. It starts with, I don't know what to say, really. and yes you did Al it's it's a remarkable speech
Starting point is 00:25:16 I get I sometimes I get emotional listening to it you got Jim Brown in the background leaning on the wall every assistant coach is unnaturally yoked my favorite part of the speech is where he says we're in hell right now spoiler alert doesn't seem like you're going to be interested in watching the movie anyways you couldn't watch the YouTube
Starting point is 00:25:37 we're in hell right now and then the music kicks in The music is the best part, what's equally as good as a speech, which is rare because as we go through these, they don't always get the music right. I can't do it for you. I'm too old. I love that. I'm not, uh, the middle age man tangent was the weak, the weak point of a relatively brilliant speech. Um, but again, when Willie Beeman starts walking up and he's got Willie's attention, you know, it's the inches we need are everywhere around us.
Starting point is 00:26:09 that's the fucking difference between living and dying all that stuff and then the very stock hell yeah's in the background sound like your prototypical roided out 43 year old
Starting point is 00:26:22 you know offensive line type character hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah uh you know sometimes
Starting point is 00:26:32 when I listen to that speech I actually wish I would have just broken my body completely playing football that's what it makes me feel like you know, I was listening to it yesterday and I was like, I'm so happy right now, but maybe I should just go run this fucking thing into the ground because Al Pacino
Starting point is 00:26:47 would want me to do that. Can I take you back to real life for a second? It takes me out of real life. That's why it's such a good speech. May I take you back? Yeah. That was interesting, what you were saying there. Before every game, did the head coach
Starting point is 00:27:03 address the team as one? Yeah. Every single game that you ever played. Usually. And some were better. better than others. Like Jeff Fisher was great because he'd come in
Starting point is 00:27:13 and he'd keep it to under 30 seconds every time. And do people get out of their chairs and stand up and huddle around? Yeah, you try to come in and stand up. Right before you run out of the tunnel. Generally and this is how we go with the Eagles is like Doug would call us all up and then he'd go, usually towards the end
Starting point is 00:27:32 it was you got us Chris so I would have in the locker room speech which. Look at that. Which to me was way more fun than doing it on the field. Malk had to do it on the field, and the problem with doing it on the field is everybody can hear what you say.
Starting point is 00:27:45 So you gotta be good. Me, there's a lot more, there's a lot more leeway either way, and I can say things that I couldn't say on the field. You can eat your Ws and nobody's gonna. Nobody's gonna, yeah, like you can go viral on the field giving a speech, so, you know, the pressure for Malcolm was much higher
Starting point is 00:28:00 than the pressure for me in the locker room. If you say something in a locker room, as you said, you can eat all the Ws you want. You can misspeak, you can say things, that would be not suitable for TV or radio. And they give that guy the speech and the team would huddle up after the coach's speech and then we go out.
Starting point is 00:28:22 And that's kind of how it goes. Now, a coach who's going to talk a long time is going to lose your attention before game. Because by game day, and I talked about this with motivators, somebody asked me about motivation for coaches. One, I mentioned emotional intelligence. You've got to have that throughout the week.
Starting point is 00:28:43 You know, people ask, okay, who are the best motivators? Who gives you the pregame speech? It is not about the pregame speech. I have tuned you out as a coach by pregame. Not a good player speech, a player speech because you're in the foxhole together that day. Coaches jobs as motivators are to motivate through the week
Starting point is 00:28:59 and through the off season and to know when to dangle the carrot, to know when to put the foot on the gas pedal, when to back off, when to approach a guy who's having a hard time, when to kick somebody in the ass, like that's motivation. And it's also, like you do a lot of mundane things that you don't wanna, like six days a week,
Starting point is 00:29:18 I did not wanna be a pro football player. So for me, even somebody who's very internally motivated, tell me why this period is important. Tell me why this practice is important. I know why it is, I'm gonna go out and do my best, but lift my attitude so it's more contagious. Bring the morale of the team up. So how do you do that?
Starting point is 00:29:36 That's every day. That's every day in the morning. It's reading the room. And a lot of coaches don't have emotional intelligence. A lot of people don't. And I think that's one of the most underrated skills in any profession, whether it's an athlete or a coach, knowing your teammates, your players, emotional intelligence,
Starting point is 00:29:54 and picking your spots. And I think that's motivation, as much as it is an Al Pacino speech. It's actually more. I think that is really well said and hella interesting. Really? I mean, because to me it's so basic, And that's the difference between somebody watching a sports movie one way or the other is I'm watching it and saying that won't play.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Right. Everybody else is like, I'm eating it up. That's what motivators do. Think about it. If I busted my ass for six days, took tortle on a Wednesday, you know, practice with a broken rib or with a high ankle sprain or, you know, I'm tired, I'm not sleeping. We took a flight to the West Coast. it's week 14, like, I'm already invested. Your job is to get me to game day,
Starting point is 00:30:40 and once I get the game day, I'm good. Get me in the right position to make plays and get the team feeling fresh and in a good mood to go kick somebody's ass. And I've had coaches that have done that. Two of my best motivating coaches, you know, Doug was a good motivator. He was short and sweet guy.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Greg Williams was a great motivator. Very polarizing figure for some, but Greg Williams, could dish it and take it. As far as he could say the meanest shit to you, you could say the meanest shit to him, no sensitivity with him. He could have fun with you, you could joke with you,
Starting point is 00:31:17 or he could make you hear a pin drop in the meeting room. He would walk around that meeting room in Earth City after a game the next day. And we'd all have our little student desks, you know, like with the very uncomfortable, which is another pet peeve of mine in pro football, We spend more time sitting than anything. Give us some fucking sharper image chairs.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Or whatever, the Brookstone chairs. Invest in that. You got all these fancy sports science programs. Invest in some fucking Brookstone chairs while I'm getting chewed out by Greg Williams. He would walk through the chairs, walk behind people. You know, like somebody walk up behind you and talk to you behind your head. He would like walk around people, behind people, eye contact, dramatic pauses. and he knew the buttons to push.
Starting point is 00:32:06 And you could hear a pin drop because he was that great a motivator. But the biggest thing with him is that he could dish it and take it. And what scenario is he taking it from players? Well, we bust his balls, we make fun of them. There's no sensitivity with him.
Starting point is 00:32:20 And he could do it too with the best of them. But it's not like, that was one crappy game you just called. I mean, a veteran could say, hey, that was a fucked up call. And he would say, you're right, that was bad. And you know what Greg always did that I appreciate
Starting point is 00:32:35 He always made it about the players He always noted on a regular basis That it's about you guys This is why I love doing it is you guys You guys are out there making the plays, not me And a lot of people that know Greg might say Greg has an ego Well yeah Greg has an ego
Starting point is 00:32:49 To be great in anything you have to have an ego And newsflash Every human being has an ego Because the term gets thrown around incorrectly But it's about duality as a coach Being an asshole being emotionally intelligent at times, being cocky at the right time,
Starting point is 00:33:06 but being humble at the right time to say, I fuck that call up. And that's what Greg had. Now, Mike Waffle, my D-Line coach, he was a great motivator as well in his own way. And he was my D-Line. He's a Marine. He's my D-Line coach in St. Louis.
Starting point is 00:33:22 That group, we're still so tight. Our group text just fired up again yesterday. Me, Robert Quinn, William Hayes, Kendall Langford, Brockers, the whole nine, Aaron Donald, I mean, those names, we had some studs,
Starting point is 00:33:36 but we also lived with a code. Like, that was it. And Mike, although we disagreed a lot and we fought a lot and I might not agree with him on certain,
Starting point is 00:33:46 you know, schematic, you know, or technique ways of doing things, he's very rigid that way. What he did is he created an atmosphere that was all about brotherhood.
Starting point is 00:33:59 And so when you create an atmosphere that's about brotherhood. And that comes from the right personalities, you know, doing things together, creating pride in our unit, that sort of thing, doing everything together. We did everything together. Most groups in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:34:15 when they get out of the building, they go their separate ways. We did everything together. And Mike fostered that environment. Once you do that, Mike was a hard ass, and Mike would make us work as hard as anybody in the league. In fact, too hard.
Starting point is 00:34:28 I mean, like my body started to break down because I was trying to do all the things you wanted me to do, an individual, etc., sprint to the ball, a bunch of bag drills, you know, like, if you don't put the governor on, it can be hard.
Starting point is 00:34:39 But what he did was, even with all his, like, hard-ass motivation, you were motivated by each other. And that's the trick that coaches, if they're smart, can catch on to, is create an environment where the group motivates for you.
Starting point is 00:34:54 I don't have to be yelling and screaming. I don't want to let William Hayes down. William Hayes don't want to let me down. Robert Quinn, the same way. and that was the environment he fostered. We had fun. We fucked around in meetings. We had music.
Starting point is 00:35:07 You know, sometimes, you know, we drink beer together, that sort of thing. We'd interrupt. We'd get on our phones sometimes in meetings. You know, sometimes he'd be like, get off your phone for a second. I've got a point to make. That was the kind of daycare center environment he had because D. Lyman are fucked up. And, but on the practice field, he was as strict and stringent as anybody. and sometimes too much,
Starting point is 00:35:32 but we loved Woff because Woff created an environment where we had a brotherhood. Did you have teammates who would say to you, we're in a room where we can't stand our position coach? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:46 That was always, you know, there's always a few position coaches that people couldn't stand. And there's also bad games where for a week you can't stand your position coach, even if they're cool, you can't stand your coach, your position coach.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Because the most stressful place, you know, in sports, I would argue, is in a football locker room or meeting room after a loss. There's no time to move on, like in hockey or basketball or baseball. Like, we're going to be in this bunker together for a week. We just got beat 44 to 7,
Starting point is 00:36:15 or we just gave up 200 on the ground. So yeah, that's my tangent about motivation and coaching. I think if you can be emotionally intelligent, and if you're a position coach, you can keep that emotional intelligence, but also create a brotherhood environment and that's what we had in St. Louis and any good coach will tell you sometimes the best motivation can be accountability to your brothers and that's what he created. So any given
Starting point is 00:36:41 Sunday is the best one. I also went through saving private Ryan the school teacher speech. That was on the list. I thought it was too much standing around to be in fucking World War I. Was it World War I or World War II? Two. I'm not standing around in either World War. you know, no one is letting you get off a three-minute monologue in the middle of like a whole war. I have yet to be in war. I do think there is some downtime. Don't say that.
Starting point is 00:37:14 There's some downtime. I know, but yet to be in war, let's not. Yeah, I hope never to be in war. I hope for nobody else to ever be in war. I ain't going. Yeah. Hope nobody has to. So, yeah, they stood around a lot,
Starting point is 00:37:33 and then like, every man I kill the farther away from home I feel. Like, who says that? There's other ways to say that. It just was too Hollywood for what I would imagine was a really tense. And guys are like, who lets you go on a three, four minute monologue
Starting point is 00:37:49 in a situation? I don't know. Independence Day, you watch that one, though. President Whitmore. Did I just watch? Yeah, with the aliens and a bunch of people in a... Yeah, didn't even... Didn't do much for me.
Starting point is 00:38:04 It wasn't bad, but it wasn't, the music was cheesy. It was very 90s. Braveheart though. Can we agree on the freedom speech? Yeah, yeah, pretty good. In part because you have interplay, I think. I love interplay. Yeah, there's some, there's response there from his constituents.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Is that like the hell yeah? Sort of, but it's like, hey, nah, instead of fighting, we're going to head back. Yes. Nah. Yeah. You know, like, how did we hear every complaint? Like, you know what I mean? The boom must have been.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Big boom. Big boom. Because you heard every little pithy comment and everybody heard everything. It's always funny to me in battle scenes, like when John Snow gets up there in front of a thousand like wildlings. And he's like, we're going to win today. And the guy like half a mile back's like, yeah. Like, what the fuck is he saying?
Starting point is 00:39:06 Yeah. Well, these are, this is, it's fake. Braveheart is not fake. Now, Game of Thrones is fake. Braveheart was real. William Wallace was real. The music was elite here. He had some humor, some interplay, as you said.
Starting point is 00:39:18 We're hearing defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men and free men you are. The action of fighting makes you free men. Plus, way easier to talk me into charging at a bunch of spears in medieval times than it is now. Like, I think it was way easier to make that speech back then. If you made that speech today,
Starting point is 00:39:37 people would be like, no, life is too good. I'm going to go get on my Xbox and in my heated bedroom, you know, and drink some clean water and, you know, grubhub some Taco Bell.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Like, these guys are like, fuck it. If I get impaled today, at least I don't have to be cold as shit in my grass hut in the Scottish countryside. Like, You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:01 I got nothing to lose back then. We all smell bad. I don't know. You often refer to me as someone destined for colonial times. Yeah, you're very colonial. Yeah, I think I would have made a really nice life in colonial times. I think had either of us been there, William Wallace was talking that noise,
Starting point is 00:40:23 we would have been like, we're out. Yeah, and I'm talking more. You're talking like 1700s. Yeah, but still no Xbox. or Taco Bell, which is gross in 2020. Yeah. No offense. I haven't had Taco Bell or Xbox in 2020,
Starting point is 00:40:38 but that's about to change this weekend. Yeah, the life expectancy was shorter. You could die in any number of ways back then. You could easily talk me into charging a bunch of people with horses and spears. I'm just saying I think I would have made a great life for myself in colonial times. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:56 William Wallace times. Really? Yeah. I think just, just heading back home would have been my choice. How would they have put you to use back then? Give me a scenario. Blacksmith.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Oh, great question. Probably a cobbler. Yeah? Yeah. They make shoes, right? That's right. I could see that. I could too.
Starting point is 00:41:20 You know, I really like, as far as sports movies are concerned, I like the warrior speeches. Well, I like the Warriors is one of my favorite movies. Have you seen Warrior? No, you haven't seen Warriors. Of course not. It's an MMA movie. Tom Hardy.
Starting point is 00:41:32 You would think it's not very good, but it's very good. The Nick Nolte scene in the hotel room, I remember the first time me and my family watches four big dudes, all of us in the room, just kind of dumbfounded watching this scene. And then when the scenes, during the scene, and it's a very gut-wrenching scene,
Starting point is 00:41:51 audiobook, Moby Dick, Nick Noltee, alcoholism, Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy, all he does is grunting movies. But anyways, I mean, we're all sitting there and I just hear my dad get up and walk out of the room in the middle of the speech. I'm like, and I look over and I got a tear in my eye and both my brothers are crying.
Starting point is 00:42:10 And my dad's like, fuck this, I can't cry in front of them. So he's walking in the other room. There were no good, like, motivational speeches in warrior. Rocky Balboa, you know, and that's the one where they drug the thing out too long and he was talking to his son. It was really cool when I saw it, but when I watched back last night, it didn't age that well. Shawshank, get busy living or dying.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how I felt. Hoosiers, pregame speech. Nah. Nah. Hard nah. Right. What the fuck was that speech that Gene Hackman did?
Starting point is 00:42:45 Right. And what the fuck were those old assistant coaches like vigorously nodding their head about? Like, I thought the guy was going to break his neck nodding his head when they started clapping. What were we clapping about? I did not like the movie. Now, what I will say, as corny. and ubiquitous as it's become.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Yeah. Measuring the free throw line to 15 feet, the hoop to 10 feet. Yeah. I think people apply that in their lives. Hey, this stage is not too big. Yeah. Same as everything else have ever done.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Yeah, sure. But that speech, I'm with you. Those are different scenes. Yeah, I mean, we could argue the ubiquity. Like, hey, this pod, which is also a TV, on YouTube.com. The lights are bright. There are cameras. There are producers. But it's just two guys talking.
Starting point is 00:43:39 But I'm just talking to C-Long. I can do this. I think it's the same reason you get nervous on a 10-foot balcony just as much as you do, you know, standing 10 stories up. They could both kill you. Does that make sense? How tall was the first one? 10 foot. No, 20 foot.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Okay. It's like, it's everything's relative. It's all the same. You know, us just talking here. we're just two guys talking. I don't know if that makes sense. I think it does. I think it was a great point made by me that you now sort of commendered. No, but I'm saying my point.
Starting point is 00:44:11 The balcony one? Yeah, if I jump off a 10-foot balcony, I'm good. I meant 30. Okay. Okay, then yeah. Good point. But you're not going to tell somebody, you're not going to tell somebody
Starting point is 00:44:21 waiting to jump out of an airplane to like skydive or something. Don't be nervous. It's just like a 30-foot balcony. That doesn't work. Both are going to kill you. Right. When I jumped out of a plane in the year,
Starting point is 00:44:32 2011. Oh, you did that? Yeah, I did. Orange County, Virginia. Yeah, Cowboy Reed did it recently. Recently. Nice, dude. Cowboy Reed showed up one day.
Starting point is 00:44:44 I was like, hey, can I get the notes on the Jaguars? And he was like, yeah, man, I just came from skydiving. Which is, which those two things are similar, skydiving and researching the Jags. Yeah. What was your big, uh, big skydiving? take away. Oh, push my limits,
Starting point is 00:45:06 prove myself to myself, I could do something like that, would never do it again, hated it. Nice. Yeah. Don't recommend it. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:45:15 I wouldn't recommend the Hoosiers' pre-game speech either or Miracle on Ice. I know that's not popular. Cowboy Reed likes Miracle on Ice. I think we just call it Miracle, the film. Yeah, Miracle, whatever.
Starting point is 00:45:27 It was on ice, though, to be fair. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Did everyone find that funny with me? I found it funny. Yeah, all right. You told a good joke.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I guess I told a good joke indirectly. Kurt Russell, man. You know what? I love the guy, but the speech didn't do anything for me. And everybody loves it. It's just like the Hoosier's speech. You scroll down in the YouTube comments and people are like, oh, my God, I would run through a wall.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Not you. I hope none of you guys ever do cocaine. How did I know how that feels? feels like, but I could imagine that you would probably run through five walls. If the Hoosier's speech gets you going. Or Miracle. Or Miracle on ice gets you going. How about Glengarry Glen Ross, bro?
Starting point is 00:46:22 Come again. Glengarry Glenn Ross. It's a film. I don't know that one. Okay, it's about real estate. Yeah? It's about a lot of things. It's about real estate. Pushing the MLSs.
Starting point is 00:46:32 You might remember coffees for closers? No, I don't remember that one. How about ABC always be closing? No, I don't remember that one. Okay, that's an Alec Baldwin character monologue. You might want to take a look. Was it on TV? You know what I'll watch TV?
Starting point is 00:46:48 Nah, dude, Gling Gary, Glenn Ross. I don't know that one. Famous film. I'll send you a link. Okay. And I will follow through on sending you said link. Okay, cool. That's great.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Also prep for an entire pod where the other person rarely talks in the meantime. While you're sitting and have two kids. So anyways, the wrestler was one that I thought was authentic. It was also a great flick. Moneyball, you know, where he walks in, which, by the way, it was a very good movie. Have you seen Moneyball? No. Geez.
Starting point is 00:47:20 I thought that was a good one. That's what losing looks like. And then Coach Carter, man, I'm afraid to look at the comments on Coach Carter's end of the season's speech. I mean, Channing Tatum is in that movie. which is funny to me. Have you seen Coach Carter? Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Coach Carter's the name of the film. Yeah. I was trying to think like, hmm. Have you seen Coach Carter's Presser? Is that remember the Titans? No, Coach Carter, by the way, I'm not ever remember the Titans fan. So this is a, I'm a huge downer. I don't know if you.
Starting point is 00:47:54 I don't even remember it at this point. You don't remember the Titans. Oh, nice. Coach Carter. Now that's funny. Hey, you're going to remember the Titans Saturday night when we're live streaming Titans Baltimore, huh? Two night.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yes, sir. Yep, yep. Two night. Coach Carter was way too quick. It was like the guys were miserable after they lost, and then he just like pops around the locker and has this pre-rehearse speech that's got all these, this flowery language.
Starting point is 00:48:20 And then there's like an awkward chanting Tatum, like, it's a great speech. Samuel L. Jackson. I think I'll go do a buddy cop movie, which is a sensational movie, by the way. What's the movie with 21 Jump Street? Oh, Blues Brothers. Yeah. Invictus came up. Farkus, Farkus, Farkas. Matt Damon's fucking South African accent is the worst thing I've ever heard.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Also, Major League. We can't not mention Major League. Any number of speeches in that movie are great. The one you were just playing before we started tapings, great. Yeah. A shout to Lou Brown. Yeah. And a quick thank you to our fans listening to Greenlight Podcast. Make sure you head over to Spotify and subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Speaking of coaches and zany press conferences and pre-game and post-game speeches, Mike Leach got another job.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Football. Real quick, football. You think he's competitive in the SEC? If competitive means six to seven wins, ruining somebody's year for the next five, yeah. Okay. Sounds like right what he has in line. Well, that's what he didn't in Pullman.
Starting point is 00:49:38 No, I know. No, do I think he's going to be playing for titles? Did you see him shaking that bell when he got off the plane? It was perfect because his facial expression doesn't change. Starkville. Yeah, more cowbell. I used to drunk down Mike Leach. That's my, every time we talk about Mike Leach reminder,
Starting point is 00:50:01 I'd be at Bonarue or a number of music festivals with Danny Amandola. Mike Leach beat my beloved Virginia Cavaliers. I was a member of this team in 2008, 7, 7. In the Gator Bowl. Actually, was the ball game on January 1st? I think it was 1-108. You're not doing well today with the corrections. I'm doing really well correcting, actually.
Starting point is 00:50:27 Yeah, yourself, though. You've been corrected a couple times. It's not normal for you. Hey, let's go back. Can we run that back? 2007, Khan 1-1
Starting point is 00:50:37 Yeah, sure I'll give it to you I corrected well Yeah So Mike Leach beat us in the Gator Bowl Me and Danny became good friends
Starting point is 00:50:47 The first night in St. Louis I took Danny out to What's the name? Obey Clarks It's a bar on Brentwood Boulevard In St. Louis And I got him Piss drunk on Rumplements
Starting point is 00:51:02 He vomited in my closet. That was his first night in St. Louis. And me and Danny became like best buddies. We played against each other in the Gator Bowl. And we would drunk dial Mike Leach all hours a day. And the thing about Mike Leach drunk dial is, you know when somebody drunk dials you? You want to get off the phone ASAP.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Nothing worse than a drunk FaceTime, and I'm very guilty of that. Yes. But Mike Leach would stay on the phone for an hour and a half. the contents of these conversations I do not remember. That's wild. I can remember being at Coachella, circa like 11,
Starting point is 00:51:43 between shows, just sitting on a stump out there with Danny talking to Mike Leach on speakerphone. He got the job in Mississippi State. I love some of the press conferences for those of you who do not watch Mike Leach press conferences. You've been living under a rock. You've got the Jackalopes press conference.
Starting point is 00:52:04 That's my favorite one. You're like pretty ambivalent on... No, I'm fascinated by his brain. I don't know. Yeah, in some ways, he's very confusing. And in some ways, he makes a lot of sense. He's hit jackalopes. News to a lot of people that jackalopes weren't real,
Starting point is 00:52:25 and that was the point he was making. He also likened it to the altitude. The metaphor was altitude and jackalopes. How you tie those two together, that's Russ Cole stuff, right? Where? Do you know where Mike Leach is from? I don't. I'm looking at up. I'm curious.
Starting point is 00:52:45 I don't know. And how he's going to work in Starkville, Mississippi. Culturally, it's a, it's a bit of a 180 from Pac-12. The birthplace, at least, Susan'sville, California. He would be from Susan'sville. Total fucking Susan'sville guy. Where is Susanville? Northern California or like the desert
Starting point is 00:53:05 Like near Barstow? My bad. Susanville. Oh, okay. Susanville. As most know, Susanville is in northeast California. Got you.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. Formerly known as Roup Town. Yeah, well, sometimes you've got to change the name of your city. From Rup Town to Susanville? Couldn't he? I mean, no offense any Susan's out there, but Roup Town is lit. For any Susan's listen, listening and I would place the over under at three.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Are you taking the under on Susan's listening to the spot? Yeah. For sure. If you give me any name, if one of your friends was like, brought a new baby in the room and you're like, what's the baby's name? Susan.
Starting point is 00:53:47 I'd be like, that's a funny joke. It's 2020. Well, I have some Susan friends, so I need to tread lightly. Yeah, but also that was the 80s.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Yeah. These things, these things, uh, they're sick. Yeah, I guess they are. But anyways, Mike Leach, shout out to the Susan's. Mike Leach, jackalopes, he gave the wedding,
Starting point is 00:54:10 the wedding monologue, which was mostly true, except my wife, Megan, my lovely wife, Megan, who gets a lot of shoutouts on here, she noted. You know, my lovely girlfriend, Kate, not to interrupt. We were talking about you last night, actually. Maybe that's what the conversation with me at Macon was. You mean Meg? with Meg.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Yeah, me and Meg. Yeah, I was talking with Kate about your, just kind of overall deficiencies every person. Yes, well, that's great. We can talk about that later. You know, well, the key to being happy is not caring what other people think about you. And in 2020, I'm going to be more positive
Starting point is 00:54:46 and I'm not going to worry about it. Cool. I'm still going to follow up on what you were talking about. Maybe we were talking about the fact that you haven't brought up your lovely girlfriend, Kate, on the pod. Consider her broughtin up. Oh, it's already been brought. Now, to be fair, now I have to say that I was joking there with that word that's not a word.
Starting point is 00:55:07 I said broughten as a joke. It's okay. I think most people know you're a really intelligent guy. Okay. You know, and Mike's monologue was that, you know, in weddings, this catch 22 is a guy. You got to stay out of the way. But then when you're asked, you know, an opinion, it doesn't matter. It is a catch 22.
Starting point is 00:55:27 That was poignant. Joseph Heller. Huh? Joseph Heller. I think I'm using the word poignant wrong. Because poignant invokes sadness, doesn't it? No. Really?
Starting point is 00:55:39 You sure? Look that up. Yes. Wow. Really? Yeah, dude. That was a shocker to me, too. Poignant.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I've been saying poignant for 32 years. Since I was two years old, I've been saying poignant. Golly day. Poignant. Gosh, that's how poignant that was. I think I have, too. Yeah, like. you use it probably in real estate all the time.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Nah. Also, Mike Leach hates candy corn, which brings him down a peg, and there's some other things that are bringing him down a couple pegs in my book. But he likened it to fruitcake and mint juleps. I disagree.
Starting point is 00:56:19 He called a reporter, and a lot of times you got coaches shitting on reporters, but when you call him a sanctimonious troll, that's a great takedown. I mean, like, you got to have that loaded in the chamber or else you're verbal IQ. is just very, I mean, even you could go toe to toe to toe with the best of them, verbally.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Not today. That's not on the tip of your tongue. Sanctimonious troll. A synonym of poignant is touching. That's what I think of poignant as. Well, I thought of his monologue as poignant. What's a word for very appropriate? Spot on. It's spot on. We're going to start going with spot on. He addressed the Bigfoot thing for like a minute on a whim. Mike Leach, you give him a word, he'll go for a while.
Starting point is 00:57:05 He said it'll be fun if you had Bigfoot. He doesn't know if he believes in it. He suspected that aliens are little green men. He goes, I don't know that they're specifically in our galaxy. Me neither. I'm not into the whole lightning strikes mud, and then there's a beetle thing. You know, like, you mean like the Big Bang theory or evolution?
Starting point is 00:57:30 He said that, his defense of people saying that we're the only life forms in the it would be the universe right galaxies are small and universes right Milky Way galaxy the universe giant he said well I ask people have you been to other planets have you checked out the other planets presumably no Mike but he did make a again very poignant
Starting point is 00:57:55 poignant Mike Leach he said if you believe in God which he does, not to get too deep here. You can still believe in aliens, because why wouldn't God create other planets like Earth? And I think Mike Leach, that was very progressive of him for somebody who seems to be religious. And then the whole monologue, again,
Starting point is 00:58:19 on the Pack 12 mascots, who would win in a fight? That's another good YouTube thing to bring up on your laptop or phone, or people even on laptops anymore. I mean, outside of the... We have two laptops on our respective laps. But if people are watching this on YouTube, are they watching it on their phones or on laptops?
Starting point is 00:58:42 How do you imagine most people are watching this? Laptops. Really? I don't know. We're going to take this to Twitter later, a poll. Do you watch Greenlight on a laptop or a YouTube? I'm going to bet that more people... Or an iPhone.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Or let me call you on my YouTube. I mean... Old people talk about. about technology. Yeah, I mean, that's like Bill Belichick calling Snapchat Snapface, which he really does. You know, Mike Leach, if anything, is going to give us a lot of good content down in Starkville.
Starting point is 00:59:20 So on to this weekend's action, right? We were okay on the games last week, weren't we? You pulled up the old scores. I mean, we predicted the scores of the Wild Card round. We were close, at least on some of them. No? We were okay. Your biggest win would be Titans 2417.
Starting point is 00:59:43 You had the winner there. My biggest win would be Texans 1916, which, as I've told you, no fewer than 25 times, I nearly nailed. No, I mentioned it with Dave today. Final was 2219. We both had the Eagles close. That didn't pan out. You had the Saints in a blowout. I had the Saints very close.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Regret that. Yeah. But I technically take the dub. But let's look forward. Wait, was that all four games? I mean, I'm just mentioning highlights. If you want to get technical, I was closer in three of the ball games,
Starting point is 01:00:22 and you were closer in one. Nice job. Thanks, man. I did have a nice weekend, money-making, though. Titans. Money-making. Money-making. Titans' money line.
Starting point is 01:00:34 That was a nice winner. I watched that game with you. Yeah, we did. With you and your cell phone. Yeah. So this weekend, we get another crack at it, right? We got the big four games coming up that we, in the divisional round that we talked about with Dave.
Starting point is 01:00:51 I got way more in-depth on it. If you want to see the in-depth analysis of those four games, check out that video on YouTube, on Chalk Media with Dave. We took like an hour talking about all the games and some uniform stuff. Plus, Macon has to get out of here.
Starting point is 01:01:10 He's got a life. He's basically doing this as charity. I think this weekend we'll start with the Vikings game. Vikings Niners. Let's go chronologically. I agree. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Depending on when you're listening to this, might have already happened. Yeah. Might be at 4.35 p.m. Eastern today. But if you're lagging that long on the pop, What are you doing? Yeah. So spoiler alert.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Oh right, we can tell them the final. We can tell you exactly what's going to happen in these games. Right now, this could change. Niners favored by seven over under 44.5. Okay, so I like the Vikings to cover for sure if I have a pick there. But I have Vikings 25, 22 winning outright. Wow. Yeah, what do you have?
Starting point is 01:02:01 That's fascinating. I have Niners 31, Vikings 7. Wow, you're, yeah, I guess I might be married to this Kirk Cousins thing. I just think, well, I think a lot of people are because you don't see the buy teams in the wild card round, obviously. And you see the Vikings get a great win in New Orleans, and you think, hey, they can replicate that. A little recency bias.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I will tell you, like, my elevator pitch for why is the Vikings match up where they need too well. In the red zone, defensively, very good. Make Jimmy G drive the field. He'll make mistakes. Also, number one in league defending a tight end. You take kid a lot of that equation. Plus, I like their D-line a lot.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Their D-line was dominant last week, and they're going to be proven to the best D-line on the field. My bold prediction, though, is Anthony Harris pick six on Jimmy G. One bold prediction per game. Oh, per game? Yeah. You don't have one. I thought we were doing one total.
Starting point is 01:02:57 I can do one per game. Okay, cool. So I'll go, you have 317-9ers. I have 25, 22 Vikings. I think Anthony Harris creates not only a big play, but it turns into points. And I'm going to say no Kittal touchdowns. Okay.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Are you going with two boldies there? You can, depending on how bold would you want to be. Well, I'll piggyback on your bold prediction and say despite going against number one D versus tight ends, Kittle over 100 yards receiving. Okay. I mean, if I'm saying 317, we got to get there somehow. Well, we could both be right.
Starting point is 01:03:36 That's true. Yeah. But not on that score. No. I like the Niners to roll. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Ravens 2923 is what I'm going with in Baltimore. Ravens 27, Titans 10. Golly, man. I hope you're wrong about these games. I got a blowout Saturday. I think the blowout comes on Sunday. Do you have a bold prediction there? Should I give you some time?
Starting point is 01:04:05 kind of like when the waiter comes with the menu. Or not with the menu. You guys ready to order and everybody looks at each other? Yeah, why don't you order first? Why don't you go? Why don't you make your bowl prediction? Mine is that Derek Henry runs over a defensive back so badly. It elicits memories of Greg Jones.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Yeah. Yeah. For those of you who are ACC folks. Carolina. Who do you run over? It was one. For those, pull up on your YouTube's. Pull up on your YouTube devices.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Greg Jones. It was Sean Taylor. No, it wasn't. Nice con attempt. Yeah, the first one that comes up is Greg Jones runs over Sean Taylor. But I agree. That doesn't make sense. Greg Jones was the hardest running dude.
Starting point is 01:04:58 He became a fullback for Jacksonville. He played for Florida State. And he ran over, I think the guy's name was Dexter something. Dexter Reed. Dexter Reed. and he man it's one of the most violent now it also will go to show you how much
Starting point is 01:05:12 you know if you're looking that up on YouTube how much the quality of football film has changed I mean that's some grainy shit I'd almost rather watch the NFL films black and white stuff that was Raycom sports like Doc Walker days that's right I'm Facebook friends
Starting point is 01:05:27 with Doc Walker shout out to Doc Walker I like Doc I think he's going to knock somebody's helmet off their head this week I think if the Titans are smart, I mention this with Dave, they'll get out, they'll get Derek in space,
Starting point is 01:05:41 and they will try to run guys over in that secondary, who probably are less interested in tackling than they are in covering. I also think, topically, that he breaks the streak of, this is an interesting streak, actually. Last week, he had 35 carries. That's the most in the playoffs since Sean Alexander
Starting point is 01:06:04 in 2004. Now, the last four players in the wild card round that ran for 100 yards, or ran for over 30 carries, had 30 carries in a game, did not run for 100 yards or I have 25 carries the next week. So if that trend,
Starting point is 01:06:19 which I think makes sense, I mean, if you're going to tote the rock 35 times, you're probably not going to get it that many times. But he's so central to what they do, they're going to have to pound it. I think he eclipses that 100 yard mark. So give me him knocking somebody's helmet off and running for a century.
Starting point is 01:06:34 I think Mark Ingram is still questionable at the moment. Yes. I'm going to say he sits, and my bold prediction is that Gus Edwards outrushes Derek Henry and this 27 to 10 romp for the 14 and 2 Ravens. A lot of Ghostbusters music. And yeah. Chiefs 31, Texans 19. Chiefs, 30, Texans, 27.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Houston covers and has a shot. Okay. My bold prediction is that Frank Clark has three sacks. I said last week that, was that yours as well? No, my next, you'll see. I said that Hughes was going to have a big day. I didn't lie about that. Hughes had three.
Starting point is 01:07:21 He had a hat trick because of the way that Deshawn was extending plays, and he will continue to do that. At Arrowhead, though, this is where Frank's going to make his money. my bold prediction is that Andy Reid's clock management is impeccable okay that is bold like just does everything this is the year just as a 14 year old Madden player would advise yeah okay
Starting point is 01:07:48 and that sets up Sunday that well that would set up Chiefs Ravens yeah that's what everybody wants we could also have what's the Super Bowl what you least want to say. Okay, that would be Titans for sure. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:11 And the Vikings, I guess. I'll say Texans, Packers. I do not want to see that because I don't want to be wrong about the Packers, for what? Rogers Watson,
Starting point is 01:08:31 I'm in. You're in. I'd rather see chaos. I'd rather see chaos. Tanna Hill Cousins. Not a bad point. I'm a big chaos fan. That's a good point. Yeah. If you're going to give me chaos, give me off-brand chaos, not
Starting point is 01:08:44 holy shit, I thought that the Packers weren't that good and they're in the Super Bowl and the Texans are actually not that good in there in the Super Bowl. And Deshawn Watson's awesome. I'd rather see two guys that one was a backup in Miami and one was like, or he was a starter in Miami the backup in Tennessee for half the year. And then one guy that everybody hated a month ago.
Starting point is 01:09:02 So Hawks 2320 to round out the weekend for me. I'm doing weird scores this weekend, and I am picking with my heart on some of these games. Packers 20, Seahawks 10. I think the public is heavy on the Seahawks. Are they really? I'll check that out. They're smart.
Starting point is 01:09:21 I think everyone's undervaluing number 12, who you've given a interesting nickname. Arod. It belongs to somebody else. Well, he's the best A-Rod of all. all time. Bold prediction, which is why I gave you a look on your last one. Zadarius Smith, hat trick. Now, I could, is that even bold, though? Because Russ has been sacked more than anybody in the league. Only once last week. Yeah. Yeah, it's bold. I think it's still bold. Any three-sac
Starting point is 01:09:49 game that you're predicting is bold. By the way, Zadarius Smith, is he the best non-quarterback on that field? Player, best player non-quarterback. Um, yeah. I think so. So. Man, that guy this year was fun to watch. Some people get credit for making a lot of plays, sacks, rushers, you know, that type of thing. And when you look at the tape, it doesn't quite match up to the numbers, the pressures. This guy was a fucking wrecking ball. And head and shoulders above almost everybody else on the field defensively all year long. Didn't even get in the Pro Bowl, but he should be in the DPOY conversation.
Starting point is 01:10:33 He won't get it. but he meant a lot. LSU Clemson. Let's dip our toes in the college football, the dirty New Orleans college football. When are we heading down there? Oh, when are we heading down there? Sunday.
Starting point is 01:10:49 You want to go? Yeah. You can go. I can go. Yeah. But you got to do the thing called like plane ticket. Commit to going. Commit to going.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Yeah. I'm going to tend to business here on the home front. Yeah, you're going to stay. And I'm going to watch the ball game on the tube. I have a very unique opportunity to make some cash. You know, the cash flow is not coming in the way it did when I was playing. So I do just about anything I can now to make some cash. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:17 And it's just unique. Nothing is very unique or a little bit unique. Yeah. Just unique opportunity for you to make some cash. Absolutely. Unique. Chance to make some content with R.R. And.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Martin? Dan Katz. Rissilo and Dan Katz and Stanford Seave's going to be down there so we'll make some content. But what's going to happen in the game? I say LSU 3732. Okay, I got Clemson 41, LSU 36.
Starting point is 01:11:49 I would like that. ACC, ACC. Yeah. I do. That number's at about 70. Yeah. I think it's over. Yeah, it's over.
Starting point is 01:11:58 I think when I gave out the over from my Better America pick this week with Sanford Steve, I also gave out hawks. They'll cover, I'm much more confident than them covering than them winning. That's up to four and a half. Here's what we're doing, yeah. Now the Chiefs, I got them covering as well.
Starting point is 01:12:16 The Titans, I got them covering, I have the Vikings covering as well. So I know we just did scores, but we're on the opposite of every single one of those games, which is neat. It is neat. It is neat. And then my bold prediction for the national championship game
Starting point is 01:12:28 is that Burrow throws a pick. You're not going to see that same like just tepid free man rush that you saw like nobody getting pressure last week was just or not weeks ago was that last week?
Starting point is 01:12:46 Well no God it feels like a long time ago he torched them for seven touchdowns in the first half so let's say it's January the 11th now yeah let's do this the orange bowl I know is on December the 30th
Starting point is 01:13:02 Yeah. And we rolled in to watch the ball games on the 28th. So it was 11 and 3 two weeks ago. Yeah, it was two weeks ago. We did it. I think Venables is going to bring a lot of heat, and I think Burroughs going to throw his first pick in a while. Okay.
Starting point is 01:13:17 I'll say the nation, those of you who aren't aware of Travis E.TN, you will be on Monday night, and he wins the MVP. Golly, that's bold. Of the ball game. Yeah, that's bold. I mean, you're really sticking your neck out there. Hey, man.
Starting point is 01:13:37 I know he's one of the best players on one of the two teams playing, but he is electric. He's electric. You're doing a little Davoswini thing. Hey, nobody respects Travis E.N. Now, I don't, yeah. Hey, I'm not going to be upset if Coach L takes home the hardware. I think Tigers win.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Nice. 58% of the public on the Seahawks right now. Wow. Usually I don't agree with Joe Public, but today I'm with you. Real quick, before we get out of here, because, well, first off, let me give you a couple trends here.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Seven of eight clubs weren't alive this time last year. So the parody in the NFL, P-A-R-I-T-Y, not O-D-Y, for some of you who aren't into spelling. I'm into spelling. The parody is alive and well, especially juxtaposed to college football. He's heating up. Thunder Dan in the corner.
Starting point is 01:14:43 NBA jam, circa 96. You didn't need to explain the joke. Well, we have a lot of millennials, like not like millennials like us, but younger millennials listen to our thing. I did a signing this week in Philly. A lot of people listen to the show. So shout out to everybody who came to Men's Warehouse this weekend.
Starting point is 01:15:01 It was also illuminating to realize that some older people listen to this show. Sorry for cussing. Hello. Children and adults alike. Largest turnover ever under the current format. And I think it's about the quarterback changes, man. Like this crop, getting older, people leaving the game. It's just we're in a really exciting time depending on what you make of it in pro football.
Starting point is 01:15:30 Yeah. I don't disagree with that. Speaking of the audience, do you want me to talk about that one tweet? Sure, I love that tweet. I couldn't really piece it together. Matt Fromm, thank you, maybe. I know Twitter is supposed to be a haven for toxic negativity, but I got to say, your appearance, Makin Gunter,
Starting point is 01:15:51 doesn't do justice for how spot-on perfect your vocals, your style, your delivery, and your chemistry with at Joel 9-1 is on these highly addictive Greenlight Podcast. Now most of that is really nice. What's wrong with my appearance now? What's the name, Jake Fromm? Matt Fromm, perhaps brother of Jake. Hey.
Starting point is 01:16:12 Also, my vocals, awful. My style. No, no, no, no, no, no. If I gave you a scouting report, great vocals. Okay. Somebody on Twitter said they weren't, and I've really been in my feelings about it.
Starting point is 01:16:25 Let me help you with this. People are always going to say mean things to you because they see you on YouTube. Okay. On their YouTube. Right. They want to be on their YouTube. And you are on their YouTube.
Starting point is 01:16:37 People, they're haters, bro. Okay. Now, don't let the good stuff go to your head because there's plenty of it. I mean, I get a lot of, hey, making Gunner is great at this thing. Like, don't do that. Okay. You don't want to get complacent. We got a game to play next week and the next week.
Starting point is 01:16:52 But also tune out the negativity and Jake Fromm there. He speaks highly of the podcast and our chemistry. mystery, but my, my appearance doesn't do justice to all those things. As in like, I look awful. I don't. That's why we got the pod, you know, and generally, I know you resent the fact this is a TV show. I just think it's fascinating. A lot of people watch, obviously, because some people are commenting on your appearance. Yeah, this is what I look like. Can't do much about it. Got a haircut. Got a haircut. Nice. job.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Trends though as they continue. I'll stay for those. Okay. Because you know what? What? I came here to build a great team. Yeah, you did. But more importantly, I came here to build a program that lasts.
Starting point is 01:17:47 And the way you go about that is you have great integrity and you have great passion. Anthony Guy Bennett 2009. 10 years later, he wins a title. Yeah, so we might win a title in 10 years. Since 28 to 3, the average margin in playoff games has been eight points. And four of the last seven playoff games have gone to OT. In this round? Period.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Is that true? Road teams are 8 and 6 over the last 14. You cannot predict this stuff. I mean, it's just like, and then for the first time, two years in a row, we had two six seeds advance. So parity in the NFL is live and well. I was going to see if maybe I had an inkling from you is where Brady might end up,
Starting point is 01:18:39 but we're probably going to run out of time, huh? New England. I don't know about that. That's right, for the last seven, because two in Wild Car Weekend and two of last year's conference championship games. Yep. Bam.
Starting point is 01:18:54 Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Yep, I mean, we can get into the Brady thing later. You know, people talk about the Chargers, the Dolphins, the Colts, the Bears, Vegas, Dallas, Tennessee. Anybody throwing the hat there? Nah, because he's posturing
Starting point is 01:19:10 and showing that he's in charge and he needs more weapons and he's staying in Foxborough. Yeah, so he's hemming and hawing a little bit, but it's all for not. It's not all for not. There's much to do about nothing. He's flexing.
Starting point is 01:19:23 He's flexing, and he should. The goat should flex, can flex. I think if you're playing the field, again, check out the Dave Damasheck pod that we just did on Greenlight. We talked about this. I think Miami
Starting point is 01:19:36 is a good wild card, not as into the other places as some other people. We will see how the Brady thing shakes out. We will see on Saturday night for the divisional round. We've got Tennessee at Baltimore, and that game is at what time, mate, because you're better with the times. I want to say 815. You want to correct me? No, I don't need to correct you.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Does anybody want to correct me? Okay, nobody wants to correct me. 8.15 it is. Y'all take care. Do you want to do corrections today? We did it throughout the program. Yeah, you're right. Y'all take care. We'll see you later tonight.

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