Green Light with Chris Long - Ep. 25 - Eli Manning Retirement, Super Bowl Ranking : Uniforms, Rings, & Logos. Drafting SB LIV Offensive Players.

Episode Date: January 25, 2020

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Episode 25 of the Green Light Podcast. I'm here with my co-host, Making Gunner. Can't wait for today. We got a bunch of stuff to get into. We have our favorite number 25, obviously. We have news about the gentleman in our fantasy football league that's getting dyed tips. Something's happening there.

We have Eli's retirement. We have a bunch of Super Bowl rankings from uniforms to Super Bowl rings, the whole nine yards. And then we're going to draft all the offensive players. in the Super Bowl. So there's a lot to get to. It's ambitious, but it's Friday. I'm juice for the weekend, even if there's no football. Hopefully that energy will carry us through this pod. Welcome to episode 25, the first weekend that we're getting ready to talk about on the Green Light podcast with no football. Thanks, Chris. That's right. Back to you. Yeah, it sucks. I don't know what to do this weekend.

Well, you need to get your sleep. Yeah. Get your hydration up. Yeah. Because you have Miami on the horizon. Yeah, I got to go to Miami. And the schedule in Miami on the drinking front is there's no, like hashtag no days off. Right.

Nobody, nobody, it's not acceptable to tell somebody, yeah, I'm going to pack it in tonight and watch a movie. Well, hot take, last call is a good thing. Yeah. And there might not be one. Yeah. On South Beach. Yeah. And that's a scary prospect, but I will be down in Miami next week, making a little money, doing a little content.

I will be down Wednesday night. But we will be back Tuesday with another green light pod. But let's get to today's green light pod. This is the 25th episode. Man, time flies when you're having fun. Yeah. Sure does. You know what isn't so much fun is the jersey number 25 I found out.

So I'll let you go first because you told me this was one of the hardest. things you've ever done. Yeah, it really was. And rewarding to be on the top of this mountain now with a great selection. Yeah. In number 25, Penny Hardaway at Memphis State. What? And check out this picture. You love it. Amphorny Dionne Hardaway before switching to number one, which makes sense, Penny. Yeah. Yeah. And NBA, we're number 25 at Memphis, where he is now the head coach, of course, currently driving a once squeaky clean program right into the ground with current and future sanctions. Yeah, they had the Wiseman kid who's no longer eligible. He's pulling pretty impressive recruiting classes after coaching AAU and the like. But he wore number 25 at Memphis and looks

cool. Really? Looked cool doing it. Yeah. And I scoured NFL, NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball. and Penny was the, I dug deep, found Penny wearing the 25. I can't, it's a fine number. I wouldn't pick it, but I was surprised. Yeah, it's one of those numbers that's pretty much for running backs in the NFL. Or a baseball player, you know, a basketball, there's so many great numbers around it. Yeah, disgrace baseball players, I saw. Yeah, there were a few that loved the steroids.

Yeah, that's right. Back in the, there was a Palmero, and, And, uh, Big Mac, Big Mac, Mark McGuire. Barry Bonds, War 25. Barry Bonds. This is the number of the juicers. So it's going to be a juicy show. Will you rate my Penny Hardaway poll?

One to ten. Eight out of ten. A little gimmicky, but certainly one that I didn't come across. Hmm. I mean, he wore the number. Yeah, he wore the number. No doubt about it. On that topic, I really wanted to pick George Brett.

Mm-hmm. But he was five, his whole career. He ended up on this list. I guess he was 25 at one point maybe. George Brett to me is a legend for going viral at spring training Do you remember when he was trying to tell everybody he pooped his pants a bunch? Oh no. He was miced up.

You haven't seen that one on YouTube. Go check it out. YouTube George Brett shits his pants or something like that. My man told multiple stories of pooping his pants. It's not a one-time thing for him. I'm assuming he knew he was miced up. I think he was a manager at this point of some sort of coach

I don't know what the hell they call him in baseball I do watch baseball not into the managers but he it was during stretch and he comes over and he's telling the guys all these stories about when he pooped his pants at the Bellagio had a nice crab dinner in the middle of the Bellagio

lobby did the deed and then stretch ends and the guys are uncomfortably trying to walk away and he's still running them down telling him stories about how he shit his pants So that's my George Brett. I'm uncomfortably trying to walk away at this point. But I ended up with Freddie Bolitnikoff.

Okay. Yeah, fair pick. Oh, that's great. Yeah, so Fred, so Fred, Hall of Famer, Super Bowl 6 MVP, that's him with the alouettes after his NFL career on the left and obviously with the Raiders on the right.

He was the Super Bowl 6 MVP. He had swag. he had a single bar face mask he had a dirty dirty mustache you look like a real life Uncle Rico the NFL should mandate you know one bulletinacoff type player just to keep the youth white wide outs

playing hard and following their dreams because that's basically like when you read about this guy every stereotype was mentioned not a straight line guy not too fast really crisp route runner, really smart player, all those stereotypes. His nickname was the coyote.

He was a Russian from Erie. He was like his grandparents were Russian immigrants. He got the stickum from Lester Hayes. He also doctored his pads and his jerseys. He was one of the first guys to do that in the Raiders organization for sure. Al Davis wasn't a big fan of that. And he smoked cigarettes and puke before every game, according to John Madden.

I sometimes wonder if you smoke cigarettes before. or during a game, which most guys did back in the day. You saw a Len Dawson thing resurface after Joe Burrow. I'm wondering what your pregame meal was. Bologna sandwich? Fried. Fried. Just no vegetables.

Well. No complex carbs. Potato salad, macaroni salad. Some chips. Yeah. Yeah. Like just, I can't believe their engines ran on that shit. And Freddie Bolitnikov looks like a guy who lives in a van down by the river.

Yeah. And he's a legend for that. I mean, it's ridiculous to me that that was their diet. And that's the way they, by the way, he also recorded 40 receptions in 10 straight years, and that was a record at the time.

40 receptions a year for 10 years that had never been done before. So it goes to show you how much the game has changed. Also, he was like the AFL, he was like the AFL poster child, you know, back in the day. And we're researching these early Super Bowls. It wasn't like it is now.

I mean, there was bad blood between the AFL and the NFL, and the AFL was oftentimes the dog, oftentimes the dog, the first decade of the Super Bowl, and kind of the outcast. So he was kind of the poster child. And yeah. And now he's immortal because we have the Bolitnikoff Award in college football. We do, which is given to the best running back in the nation.

Khan. Where do you go to school? Florida State. That's right. F-S-U. F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E. That's one of my things. Why do you have to spell your school, Florida State,

Clemson, listen. Others. I think there's a thing where I'm going to lay out of this one so I don't look like a big Virginia fan. Okay. But you can check out the work he does off the field still to this day. You know, 40 years later, he's making a big impact.

He lost a daughter. to domestic violence, and I did not know this. He has a great organization that, and I quote, enable, we enable young people to reach their full potential through community and education programs that address substance abuse and domestic violence. Blitnikoff.org, I thought it was a really great site. I was perusing it.

Obviously, a sad story that he's turned into, you know, being very productive towards a cause. So Freddie's still doing good work, and he was a hell of a player. That's my number 25. So nicely done. Jump on to YouTube.com, subscribe to the Chalk Media channel to see two great pictures you and or Cowboy Reid pulled of Fred Bolitnikoff.

Yeah, they were great. I want to get to some quick bad news. You know, we've been doing a lot of good news, but the doomsday clock is 100 seconds from midnight, according to the bulletin of atomic scientists. That's the closest since the Cold War. A little factoid in 1991, we were 17 minutes from. Now we're 100 seconds. So not to bring the mood down.

I'll give you some more trivial bad news. Kevin Bakke, your good friend, slipped a disc in his back, putting together a back machine. So our thoughts and our prayers are with you as you work your way off of the DL. Kevin Bakke, he might be the best guy, no. His name's Backy.

And he's now hurt his back. So what does you? you say his nickname should be bad back backie back back back just cracked laughing this is no bullshit uh get well soon get well soon don't take our laughter for um apathy we are that's right we are empathetic that's right yeah we care a lot by the way this week uh also want to shout out wayland for um proposing in a way in this is my three-year-old on a new numeric system to signify if you're doing a number one or a number two. In his system, a number three is both.

A number four is PP and a number five is poo. And I think that there's a level of genius to that because that's a really covert way to say what you have to do. Yeah, I'm with them on the three because with number three, you give number one it's due, no pun intended. Yeah. Number one really gets lost when you're, when you're at number two. I said when we started this that I wouldn't get into this.

It's too easy to pull you into this stuff. It's too easy. So yeah, that's evidently the new thing is, hey, hey, you ask me what I'm going. I'm going number four. I'm taking a leak. Okay. And nobody's going to know. We're not going to let Conrath get off the hook here, are we?

No, not at all. You know, more friend shout out. Shout out to Matt Conrath, former NFL player, member of the Fantasy Football League of gentlemen of Charlottesville, who, you saw it? I just saw the picture.

In real time, can I see it? Can I see it? Yeah. So we had a picture. That's what we were after. I think it's way worse. Oh my gosh.

Oh my goodness. So let's throw up what we got a couple hours ago. This is Conrath at the stylist today, getting his dyed tips because he finished dead last. It's not just the tip. He finished dead last in our fantasy football league. That's the whole thing. That is the whole thing. I think he waited until he grew his hair out long so he can just cut it all off.

And he's got that dark hair, man. Nice full head of hair, very dark hair. We'll post the after on Wednesday show. Looking like a skunk. Looking like a blonde skunk. That is something. and we should also mention we would be remiss if we did not mention

that Conrath had freaking Lamar Jackson on his club this year like historically good fantasy football season and we should also mention that Conrath is six foot seven so hard to hide with the guy Fierrez when you're six foot seven let me just run through his first few picks James Connor Antonio Brown

Stefan Diggs Jared Golf fourth round Trey Burton, fifth round, Taree Cohen, Danny Dolah, Alan Robinson. Cohen was a downer for him this year. Mohamed Sunu, Cole Beasley in there, interesting draft. Got Lamar late, got D.K. in the last round, but... Not enough. That's quite a... Quite a picture.

My stomach's a bit upset. I hope he doesn't listen to that. Oh, my goodness. Well, you know, we'll get him on the pod here soon. Good on you for honoring mistakes, Matt. Yeah, that's a man of integrity there. I want to do a quick thing where I ask you a question every week for advice. You don't have any warning.

I did not warn you about this question before the show. There's just certain things I sit around and wonder and you are a great moral authority. And so we'll start with this question that's been on my mind for years, honestly. I was too afraid to sound dumb and ask anybody, but I'll just do it. Do you tip for takeout? Your timing's wild because I'm about to be a guest on a podcast. Yeah.

I'm a CBS sports radio producer. Yeah. Who is also an Uber Eats driver. And we're going to talk all about this topic. So I've been prepping, actually. Wow. And it's tough for me too. Usually,

no. Wow. And you know me. Did you be audible gas from behind the edit pay there. Now. Serial killer. Really good tipper if I'm dining in. Yeah.

But. Well, what's what's good tipper? I mean 20 is a baseline 20's baseline yeah 15 what does somebody have to do to get 15 something bad but you're still going to get the tip yeah yeah what does somebody have to do to get zero tip punch my son yeah something along yeah you can you can spill something on me got to catch them dragging their their grundle across my uh across my my eggs and you know It's got to be something really bad, dude. Listen, I go to Sticks Cabob Shop.

Shout out. You got, Brandon, shout out, my guy. I go there more often than I should. Extra red sauce, please. Yeah, fire roasted red pepper sauce. I mean, I don't know under what circumstance I would tip for just taking the order. Because now everything's automated, you get that screen that says, here's what 10% would be, 15, 20. It just goes to the kitchen, doesn't it?

I don't know. It's, man, it's one of those things because I'm always petrified that if I don't tip doing takeout, one, I'm being ungrateful, but two, because there's things that go into boxing the food and, you know, if the bartender's nice about it and the people at the front at the front are pleasant, I know how hard the folks are working in the kitchen. If I see a lot of moving parts, I've been known to throw a few bucks. Yeah. Well, I've unfortunately kind of done a flat $2 tip on almost every pickup. And maybe that is the way to go.

It's definitely not a 20% thing. You'd be insane. Are there any people out there tipping 20% on a pickup order? Very few. But if you're... They exist. Well, probably, like really good people. Yeah. If you just have the automated screen, everyone knows what we're talking about. Right, right. I'm hitting no tip like every time. Yeah. I have to... I'm not tipping the robots.

Yeah, I went to the effort of leaving the home to go out and procure it. Yes, like our ancestors did. Yeah, just like the hunter-gatherers. Right. We're not that different, you know. Right. But if you're making me sign a chit, it's hard to strike through the tip and then write the cost of the order. Understood.

Because even if no one's expecting it, they're going to look at it and think, hmm, because they've got to plug that back in. What is the difference between, you know, an uncontacted tribe hunting down a woolly mammoth and me going to Red Robin to get a burger that I called in? There's not a lot of difference. So I think you bring up a good point there. Yeah. Yeah. So the verdict is, the verdict is no tipping, no shame on a pickup order, takeout order. Correct.

Delivery is different. Dining in very different. But if you do decide to leave a tip. that's perfectly acceptable and you're not weird or a sucker. If you're needing to amass some sort of good karma, that's the way to do it. Yeah, okay, good, good, good. Quick music shout out here. Old and in the way.

That's some heady stuff there. Some bluegrass. 1973 recording of the album Breakdown. It's like a live deal. It's the Jerry Garcia and all his heady friends doing bluegrass. I actually prefer it to non-live, Grateful Dead stuff. stuff. Oh, heaven. I also want to shout out the pizza tapes. That's something I just came across.

I meant to say heavens back there when I said heaven. Yeah, well, it happens. You know, like when you're doing this stuff, sometimes you drop a syllable or a letter. Pizza tapes, Garcia, Grisman, Rice, 1993. They get together at, I guess, Grisman's house. and what do they just record an album i don't know if they're going to do anything with it they're just fucking around playing music it's all acoustic and a pizza delivery guy steals the you know garcia's recording and uh next thing you know was all allegedly but this is factual it shows up uh in new york city on the radio and people are freaking out they're like man what a what a great project they just released on purpose and the guys were pissed off because of licensing and all that

stuff. But eventually in 2000 they released it. So check out old and in the way. Unless you're an old hippie, you probably don't listen to that stuff or a big bluegrass fan. This is all newer deep dive stuff for me. I'm enjoying it very much. Pizza tapes also. So let's get to Eli. What about my music? Oh yeah. Is it another Backstreet Boy song? well I opened up my music application and I did not download a song this week so the last one in the queue is still larger than life by the back so we just we can just power through that

yep okay uh been an inactive week for you on the music front so Eli's retirement that's the big news uh reported earlier this week that he was going to do a press conference today he did did you watch the press conference I've seen some clips he went with now I guess the standard issue in the Meadowlands with the Navy suit, white shirt, black tie.

Yeah. They just have them on a rack there. They do. I really think they do. Yeah. Coming and going, you know. It might have been Joe Judge's suit. Could have been.

They just swapped it out. Different body type, but... And different tie, but very close. So, um, obviously a long, productive career for Eli, the debate that's raging is, is he a Hall of Fame or is he not? I'll just get it out of the way.

I think he is, you? I do. And you're a Giants fan too, though. I am. I do think he is, and I also don't really care. No offense to any Hall of Famers that listen, I know. My dad is going to hunch you down. Yeah.

No, I don't know that he does listen. No, he does. I think you're okay, he does? Yeah, we spoke about it. Oh, you did. Fuck. What's up, Dad? So I think he's a Hall of Famer.

I mean, you know, 16 years, um, he's 500 at the end of all of it. And he's 250 million is the operative. Big number. Figure here. And, you know, at the end of the day, he beat Tom Brady in two Super Bowls. I think when they're digging up our bones in thousands of years

and finding our old Sports Illustrateds that are mummified, they're going to be like, who the fuck was this guy that beat Tom Brady twice? Tom Brady was this mythical figure. Who was this funny-looking guy? Oh, he went 500. Can't be. But yeah, he stepped up in big moments. He's one of two Super Bowl MVPs that won it twice.

There's, of course, a rumor about the first MVP that he won against the Pats. And, you know, the fact of the matter is they scored what? 17 points? 1714, yep. Yeah. As 14 point dogs. As 14 point dogs. There was a rumor that they didn't want to give the trucks to the entire D-line.

And so they were like, yeah, we just got to, this Cadillac has got to go to Eli, and that's where it stops. The D-line was the dominant force in that game, but he made throws when he had to. Interestingly, he was my first NFL sack. Yeah, my first NFL sack, I beat McKinsey. I think he was on an inside move. And then he was nearly my last. I sacked him the day before, well, yeah, the next morning we went to the hospital, and Luke, my youngest son came along. and he was my second to last quarterback

that I sacked him the regular season in my career in my first one. So he made a really great noise when you sacked him. Give it to us. And what are some other noises that quarterbacks make? Ah, fuck! And Eli's again? It's just like a human whoopee cushion.

You know, like landing on a big, a big, rich, high thread count, duvet covered couch cushion pillow. You know? Like when one of my, when my kid lands on a stuffed animal, it's just like, it looks luxurious. It was luxurious to sack Eli Manning. But I always respected him. He wasn't the most mobile, so it was nice when you got there. You got there. he was seventh in yards,

completions and passing touchdowns, similar numbers to Marino. That's been a big thing that people talk about this week. Seventh ever. Seventh ever. People. Eight and four in playoff games career

with five wins on the road. And this is where it's remarkable. 10th in game winning drives. And of course part of this is a large sample size, but you don't get to play quarterback in the NFL for 16 years. And by the way, didn't miss a single game due to injury. Two 10 straight.

nice to not be not nice to not be fast because you know you take the whole soft tissue thing off the counter with Eli but he uh was tough even though he made those funny faces when you sacked him uh and he tended to go down easy he was tough and he always got back up

he uh he beat the 18 and oh pats and you know a lot of times when somebody does something that iconic like a UMBC and I hate to bring it up but we can laugh now um or a number of other big upsets. Can you think of any iconic big upsets, Miracle on Ice? App State over Michigan. App State over Michigan. These things are lightning in a bottle type occurrences.

And I think what separates him from being fluky was that second Super Bowl. I mean, that was the thing that to me solidified him being a Hall of Famer. And that's not normal for that anomaly to happen twice, which makes it not an anomaly before you correct me. but um and he wasn't managing managing either of those ball games he was the MVP that throw to manningham in the second super bowl it's one of the best throws you'll ever see in the super bowl yeah 38 yard rope on the sideline it was a great toe tap by manningham but you have to realize the ball came from somewhere and it was a beautiful throw he didn't like the scoreboard up in any of those games but

as we mentioned that first game they're 14 point dogs they come away with the win um you know, exactly 500 again, over 16 years, 117 and 117. And that was an interesting thing to watch towards the end to see how they'd manage him, you know, because I knew that number was important and settled right on it. The only thing he ever led in a single season at was interceptions. And that's kind of, you know, career interception percentage, higher than Blake Bortles. That's what some people were remembering for.

but he also didn't have a ton of weapons around him. You know, he had Plaxico, he had Amani tumor. You know, he had Odell late, certainly not in his prime, and he got Sequin and Odell together for a blip on the radar. And Teaky for a blip. And Teaky for a blip. And they weren't winning when they were all together.

The only thing, he got fucked by McAdoo on the consecutive SARS thing. Yeah. That was the one thing that, to me, was totally curious. But I think ultimately, and we'll get to why I think he's a Hall of Famer but he fought an uphill battle I think his whole career because of his dad because of his brother

he fought an uphill battle because he refused to play with the Chargers I think that soured people and played into that narrative right off the bat but Elway did this with the Colts and people don't remember that as well because he was a baseball ultimatum I got to go play baseball he was hated for his demeanor but ironically his demeanor is the is the one

one thing that I think allowed him to thrive and survive in New York. You know, playing in New York City, you talk about Messier, Jeter, Manning, obviously different levels of players, but same stature in the city as far as bringing relative success their respective teams. And you had to, I think, be that kind of white bread bland personality to get by in that city and not let, I don't know how Tom would have done Brady in New York. I don't know how his brother Peyton would have done. They're two totally different people psychologically and from a standpoint of their personalities.

And as a Giants fan, and maybe for others who aren't, he was profoundly likable because of this personality. And for those who don't like him, he was an easy punching bag. He's not going to punch back. Right. He doesn't care. Yeah. Yeah. And it seemed like the sort of guy who really had blinders on went out.

played football, had a private life. And loved by teammates. I mean, that's truly, I texted a number of guys who play with today, ask him, is he a Hallfamer, you know, and it was a resounding yes. And if you look at their Instagram post, it's funny nowadays,

you can tell a lot by a player about what his teammates say about him. You want to know what type of guy they really are. Teammates are going to necessarily trash you, but it's, you know, a lot of times if it's bad, it's what they don't say. These guys are going out of their way to praise the hell out of him, knowing that there is, I think, this narrative where he's an eh kind of guy

or an eh kind of quarterback. And I think his teammates have done a good job of building him up in this moment for him. You know, another thing was he was one of the luckiest quarterbacks. You know, you had the Tyree catch. He, uh... Hey, he worked hard to get out of that mass of humanity to get the ball in the air. He did. And listen, you know, if he was more mobile, I think people might say, look at that, you know look at that escapability. Wow, it's Deshawn Watson like you know, he threw up a prayer

and Tyree came down with it. But it wasn't just that. It was the Hail Mary and 11. And then, you know, the next game, I think it was Kyle, what's Kyle Williams? Not the detackle Kyle Williams. The 49ers. Two late fumbles against San Francisco. And then capped that with obviously the perfect

throw to Manningham. So that was kind of his moment where you're like the kid getting made fun of and and, you know, getting bullied and then you punch the bully in the face and everybody kind of shuts up. That was his moment. That was, that throw was like,

everybody just stopped talking for a second. Now, we still like to have fun with Eli, but he's a two-time Super Bowl champion. You know, Jim Plunkett was a guy that gets brought up as somebody who's deserving to be in, and I think Eli's got a similar kind of resume. So, again, quarterback is a position I think you can get rewarded for your postseason work,

even if you're relatively average in the regular season. It's not like people keep asking about Edelman, is he a Hall of Fame or that whole thing? It's harder to wait a wide receiver's success in postseason than it is and justify a nod when you've never been in the top whatever in anything or you've never had the accolades, which of course are voted on by fans as well. but, you know, Eli, you know, he's only got one more Pro Bowl than Andy Dalton to that point.

Take the Pro Bowl thing for what it's worth. Nothing. Nothing. But what you do is you go out and you make those two big throws. And that's what we care about. Like, we don't put people in the Hall fame just for their regular season stuff unless they're just exponentially better than everybody else. Plays alter legacies. You think things are a little bit different.

thought of a couple plays. An Edelman catch against the Falcons. Forget Shanahan not running the ball. Edelman doesn't catch that ball. You know, is Shanahan now, is he still in Atlanta? Is he, is he gunning for a second Super Bowl on his second team?

What's different? Malcolm Butler interception against Seahawks. What's the difference in Russell's legacy that way? You know, you're looking at him totally differently. It's a play that has nothing to do with him. You know, you got no PI against the last year in the NFC championship. You know, you've got the Minnesota Miracle. How does this affect Drew Brees?

Like, you don't know if he plays one more games. Do you have one more ring? Like, we throw these things around like they're absolutes, but these plays matter. Good research, good prep. No. I just think it's a pointless conversation. The plays happen the way they happen. Exactly.

And my point is that, like, if you're going to say, well, it's just two plays, that's part of it. I mean, it's part of it, or else we're going to start going back and doing revisionist history on all these plays. I mean, Mike Jones on the goal line, Jeff Fisher. You know, it has nothing to do with what Jeff Fisher

did or didn't do as a coach. Like, this is football. Yeah. Things just happen or they don't, and it happened at the right time for Eli, and we talked about that playoff record, the road wins. Scott Norwood,

Jim Kelly. Yeah. They're just, like, I get it. But it's, It's so if you're defensive, Eli, and I'm not going to, I could sit here and talk about, hey, he's got the same stats as Marino. Hey, he's got all these great stats that have a lot to do with longevity as well, which is relevant.

But the stats aren't going to get him in. It's the Hall of Fame. Joe Namath is in there. Joe Namath is in there not for his stats. He was not a remarkable quarterback on any statistical scale. He did a big thing for the AFL and won the big game. and was Broadway Joe. Well, Eli thrived in the big moments, in the biggest city,

and that's what puts him in the Hall of Fame for me. And there are a lot of very imperfect quarterbacks in the hall. But my biggest takeaway as a sociological study with Eli is like, it's funny to me that we're all so imperfect to sports fans of people, and he's probably the most like everybody else. His career is the most relatable to you and I's day-to-day or people listening to this pod. you would think he'd be more elatable

but people hated him. You know, like, even his successes were shrouded in, like, just a shit show. It was, like, made mistakes, screwed up, had really low lows, had really high highs. That's like everybody.

And you would think it would make it more likable, but it drove people away in a lot of instances. Yeah, I would argue his lows weren't particularly low. And that the giants were always there were very few years where you were thinking about the draft in week one you had Eli at quarterback

if the right pieces are around and they perform you're going to have a chance with 10 at quarterback you know you're good when you can just call them by his jersey number yeah 10 well 10 and by the way they're retiring that is it the number or the jersey I don't know another thing I I care a little about

you need to retire the jersey and let people wear what numbers they want to Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's, I might want to wear 10, you know, I might be a kid that wants to wear 10. I might be the next Freddie Bolitnikov. There might be a young man right now who would like to come to Virginia and wear 50. I think that person should be aware to love to wear 50. I agree with you. Uh, shout out to Ralph, though. Um, so I think at the end of the day, it's funny to me that people were so anti-Ely when he really gave us no real reason to hate him other than just not giving us much of a reason to. He came up in the, in the main,

meme. The meme portal. He was in the meme portal before there was a meme portal. Hey, I got one for you. Yeah. Elijah Nelson Manning the 4th was born January the 3rd, 1981 in New Orleans, Louisiana. He's the 4th, but Pops is Archie. Yeah, what? So can you just pick somebody from the lineage who's the third? There was an Elijah Nelson Manning the 3rd, maybe like an uncle.

I never thought about that. And they just make him a 4th. I never thought about that. Because Archie, where's Archie? Is his real name Archie? Archie is Elijah Archibald Manning. There you go. Different, different middle.

You got to have the same name, I thought, to add the Roman numeral. I think you just need to have the first and last name, don't you? Okay. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I guess that's funny that there were two Eli Mannings all along. Yeah.

And it wasn't just the good Eli and the bad Eli. It was. And like Howie Long and his third son. is Howie. Eli was not the oldest. No, no. Wild. There's all types of rules here that we're breaking.

So yeah, congrats to Eli on a great career. Seemed like a great guy. I've never really heard anybody say a bad thing about him as a teammate. And again, go check out Justin Tuck, Strayhan, a bunch of those defensive players that you would think would want more credit for those runs and had nothing but good things to say about him. Super Bowl stuff, man.

This is the meat and potatoes here. We got about... Mead and potatoes. Yeah, 35 minutes left. Yeah. Let's do it. So we're going to do uniforms. We're going to rank the uniforms from all the Super Bowls.

We're going to give our top fives, respectively, if you did your homework, I don't know. We're also going to rank the Super Bowl rings. There was a really interesting article that came out this week. And what? What was ESPN? Yep. ESPN.com did a cool Super Bowl rings and... commentary, stories, piece,

and looking at these rings, they're all beautiful, well, most of them in their own way. It was way easier to find five Super Bowl rings I liked than five uni combos. Wrong. Really? Bad take.

Wow. And then logos. We'll talk about the logos as well. We'll rank Super Bowl logos. We'll do a couple prop bets. And then a lightning finish where we're going to draft the offensive players on the 49ers and the Chiefs.

Sounds great. Yeah. So let's start with, with the unies man do you want to do you want to get the uh first stab at it here sure thanks to uh reed for helping me yeah read picks pick stitch this thing out stitch these things together so i had to go to six oh wow well maybe i had to do the same thing okay and throwing up my first set of three on youtube dot com now there's a common denominator here and that is the raiders the raiders franchise You got big H there, bottom right.

Yeah, look at it. Chasing Thaisman. So up here I have Super Bowl's 211 and 18 respectively. Yeah. Now the deal is, if you have that silver white,

silver combo or that silver black silver combo, anything else looks fine. That first one's so old, Super Bowl 2, it would have to be colorized after the fact. They're playing the Vikings there.

Solid, Minnesota. Yeah. They're playing the Packers there in actually that's Super Bowl two, Raiders Packers off to a great start.

There's Freddie B, yeah. Raiders Vikings was Super Bowl 11. That's Freddie B. And then we have Super Bowl 18 in 84

Raiders skins with, Raiders Washington team with 75 there. I just think if you have that steady palette there, it's hard to go wrong.

And the Packers and the Washington team are symmetrical with their helmet matching their pant, which is important to me. That's one of your weirdo things. You have any issues with that? No, I don't.

I mean, I would say the Super Bowl, what is that, 18 is not one of my favorites. That's my pops. Yeah. That's not one of my favorites of the Raiders. I do like Super Bowl, whatever the hell it was with the Vikings. Yeah. That's beautiful. Anytime, like you said, the Raiders are on the field, there's an opportunity if the other

the team doesn't screw it up to unlock a beautiful marriage. Now, a near miss here to me was the Super Bowl, more recently, the Brad Johnson Super Bowl, the Bucks. Big near miss. If they had gone cream sickle, well, yeah. Could you imagine? Yeah, that would be elite. Elite, it might be the best Super Bowl of all time.

But they went like pewter maroon. Puter is one of the worst colors that the eye can comprehend. Puter is the color that everybody's pickup truck was in like 1998. Like just this disgusting, muted. I like, what the fuck is that color?

Puter. It's awful. Am I being harsh on Puter? I think Puter's okay again in moderation. Yeah. Puter, I can't do pewter on a helmet and a pant. That would be too much. Puter can be an accent.

What about Puter on a car? Google. image search pure car they call it something else and I don't know looks silver to me

looks like every rental car along the lines of what I just gave you there with Raiders I have another set of three and it involves the Dallas Cowboys because when they go silver white silver that's what we're calling it again the other team has free rein to get colorful with it

I've included the bills the Broncos and the Steelers, that would be Super Bowls 10, 12, and 27. Those are outstanding to me. And one of those top right there, if you're watching on YouTube, is indoor. I know you have a problem with indoor games in general, indoor Super Bowls. That would have been killer outside. Agreed. But look at the others.

Steelers, Cowboys, iconic. Very iconic. And that Bill's run, you have Cornelius Bennett, Bruce Smith there. I remember those. That's the first of my Super Bowl memories. I'd say, well, yeah, that was that was about, that was about when I started picking up on it, too. So what was number one for you there then? Oh, I'm ranking them, really?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's part of the exercise. You know, the operative word was to rank, not pick five or six. Mm-hmm. My number one pick is going to be. I'll go with mine. I'll go with, it's going to be Cowboys' Bills, Super Bowl 27. I can't hate on that.

Thank you. The bills, unies, don't get enough love. Yeah. that era. Takes us back. Symmetry? No, no. It's one of the rare ones which I can do. Yeah. Red, blue, white.

No symmetry. So shocker there. Two and three. I won't make you go. Okay. Two and three. Two, I'll go Cowboys Steelers. It's just, it's too good. Which, which Super Bowl was that? 13. I'm going 10 Cowboy Steelers. Was that 10?

Well, there were multiple. Yeah. And I'll round it out with Raiders, Packers, Super Bowl 2. Wow. Not a bad list. I thought we'd have more disagreements. Here go mine. So as you're looking at this, this is my five and my four.

Super Bowl 4 is my five. That's the Chiefs, Vikings, chiefs in the red tops with the 10-year AFL patch, the anniversary patch, and then the oversized arrowhead. I just, I love their unies. Always have. They looked even better back in the day in those grainy pictures.

And this was a muddy day. Minnesota could show up in the all whites on multiple occasions on my list, but I wanted to keep it fresh. So I didn't put them twice. So yeah, that was a nice one. That was the cigarette day. So Super Bowl 13 is my four. These are again flagship unies.

It looked especially good when the sun went down, Cowboys Steelers. When the sun went down in Miami, I believe it was. We're looking at Palm trees. Couldn't be anywhere else. Jacksonville didn't have a stadium yet. Tampa. I'm not sure if Tampa had a stadium back then. But beautiful, iconic.

Not a Cowboys fan, obviously bleeding green here, but got to give respect to the iconic uni's. Number three for me. and this is three through one. So Super Bowl 1 is my third pick, and that is the Jets and the Colts. Wait, no, that's not Super Bowl 1. That's three.

Super Bowl 3. So Super Bowl 3 is my third pick. I love those jets, all whites, and something about those. If you look at this picture, you're watching on YouTube.com, their green used to be like electric green, like Green Lantern green.

I looked at this one long, hard. Yeah, well, I mean, binders, keepers, losers, weepers. I just like the monochrome icy whites. I see. And I got symmetry with the Colts. Cocaine White down in you know,

my, not that anybody was was grinding their teeth down there during the game, but. I don't understand the reference. I think that's when people do the yeah. Can you imagine, though, just in general, what Joe Namath did in that city that week? No.

No social media, no 24-hour news cycle, Joe Namath in Miami. Broadway, Joe, getting ready for a Super Bowl. Getting ready to go win a Super Bowl. So that's my third favorite. My second favorite would be Super Bowl 1. And that was Chiefs in the All-White. again, Chiefs showing up, and the Packers in the green tops. Yellow pants.

I need to talk to you about something. Yeah, talk to me about it. I struggle even in the college game with the helmet. Yeah. That has a color to it. Yeah. And the white white. Oh, you do?

Can you help? No, I can't help. That's something that just never bothered me. Okay. You've got a lot of idiosyncrasies with your uniform palette that yeah my number one now this is a shocker this is going to shock some people are you surprised yeah you're looking at it okay this is last year's super bowl i thought it was i thought it was dragged down by now these are two uniforms i wore um Patriots white top blue bottoms um and the

the cool white socks with the blue rings which was always a great excuse with without getting fine to wear high white socks look faster if you can spat that up with white cleats, silver helmet, I know again, symmetry of your thing, big fan of that, and then the Rams throwbacks there, which hopefully will become mainstays for them in the near future. If that game was played outdoor and that picture outdoors

and that picture was, you know, Gilmore catching that pick on the sideline at the Orange Bowl, per se, or the Coliseum back in the 60s, it would be a thing of beauty. So that's my number one. Honorable mention. Actually, I'm going to replace my number five. That's Super Bowl 7 for anybody who remembers it.

Dolphins, all white versus the Redskins or the Washington team at the Coliseum. Again, I've said this before. These are the Larry Zoncas, the Miami Dolphin, Larry Zoncas. And I've said it before, if you play a game at the Coliseum with that flame lit, it's like an accelerator for great uniforms. It's like a multiplier and the pictures that golden hour. It's awesome. Shout out to Super Bowl 20,

bears in the white tops and the pads and the red. Again, Bill's Giants, I shouted that one out. That's an honorable mention for me. Chargers-niners, where were you on that? Yeah.

In conducting this exercise, I realize that I'm really not a big fan of the color red. Yeah. That being said, yeah, maybe just the Chargers made it. I just, I remember that Super Bowl as a kid and it's a pleasing head picture for me. Yeah. I think I was at William Taylor's house. Oh.

Yeah, shout out to William Taylor. What's up? Yeah. Yeah, I was at William Taylor's house. The game was so boring. We turned it off to go play Sega Genesis. I need to talk to you about Pats away as quickly. I cannot stand my side here, my side panel of blue.

I hate the Patsunis and they're so close. Yeah. What can be done to fix them? The alternates that they wear that are navy and just have like the big orange or red shoulder. Yeah, you like those. Perfect. Yeah. Do that.

There's too much piping going on. There's too much piping. Too many stripes that don't match stripes elsewhere and too much piping. Okay, all right, that's fair. I mean, tomato, tomato. Sure, whatever. I don't know if that's the applicable phrase. I think it was more like to each his own.

But bad Super Bowls, and by the way, I shout out Rams Titans, Faith Hill at halftime, Snow Day, got to sneak out of the house that night. My folks were away at the Super Bowl, snuck out of the house, smoked some cigars. Yeah.

That was a beautiful, beautiful color combo. It's easy to stay awake watching that game as a kid. Bad for me was Rams, Pats, and the irony of this Super Bowl 36 is that they were my favorite with the different unies last year. Lees's favorite maybe Super Bowl 36, Super Bowl 40, Detroit, and the Hawke's Steelers.

Everything about that was just very drab. The yellow did not work with the Matt Hasselbecks. Agreed. If you want to go through bad, we'll be here until Sunday. Let's do rings now. So I have at five, and I know like people, you know, I bleed green and all that, but the Cowboys are an iconic franchise. This was their first Super Bowl. It's kind of, it's a little,

did you used to play Kirby, the video game? No. It's got a little Kirby vibe going. It's like a blue star with a, I don't know if that's a cushion cut diamond in the middle since I was ring shopping. It's been some time. But very simple ring,

not as gaudy as some of the later cowboy models, but their first one, that's five for me. Four is going to be the Raiders, the Bolitnikov Super Bowl, Super Bowl 11. That was a big victory for the AFL. And, you know, it's simple.

Again, I was kind of drawn to some of these simple rings. It's a football-shaped diamond set with a black background. It's very, what we used? In 1975, 1977? Yeah, 77. 77. So a badass-looking ring for a badass organization and a historic victory for that team.

Now, this is my only, like, relatively modern era pick at three. It's the Packers, Super Bowl 31, the New Orleans game, you know, Brett Farv, Bull Cut. you know, we talk about that. We're going to talk about that with the logos too. Yeah. Super Bowl 31, very gaudy relative to the other ones I picked here, but it's a G, a bunch of diamonds.

It's not one of those oversized rings, though. It's still got some bling without being over the top. And then at two, I like the Washington football team's feathers on Super Bowl 26. the red pops too. So Jets at number one, Super Bowl 3, certainly not the most expensive ring,

got a heavy Jostin's vibe to it, probably not worth a ton of money at face value back in the day. But really cool, I don't know, what would you call that in the middle of square, a diamond? Well, if I'm looking dead on here,

that's a square. If I turn my head just a little bit like this, pow diamond diamond cool little football shape with like a diamond inset in the middle and some some cool gang green in the background

yeah that might be somehow the most colorful of all the Super Bowl rings yeah Chiefs had one with a similar like you know crimson kind of presence there it wasn't like a bright red but I like the older rings so yeah that was my five

my turn I had representatives from Super Bowls 24, 28, and 43. Here you go. My three would be that Dallas Cowboys, Bottom Left. Symmetry, once again, here's where I have trouble. When you put world champions on a ring, which is what almost all of these have, there are five letters in the word world. Yeah.

And in the word champions. There are... There's many. Nine. There's many. And when you put world on one side and champions on the other, it's out of balance. It's bothersome.

And it bothers my eyes. So when the Dallas Cowboys, which just one letter difference in those two words, on either side, I like the symmetry. They had four Super Bowls at that point, all represented with big old diamonds there. Yeah.

I think that that, gosh, changing my two to one here. I'll go Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah. When they won their sixth to go to six, six, six,

Sixburg, Sixburg, Pennsylvania. They got Pittsburgh Steelers there in the left, world champions on the right. Very balanced, symmetrical, some color pop there

with the Steelers logo. Yeah, that's nice. And then top 49ers, when they have four rings in the 80s, they go funky font there with 49ers.

All four 80s years are represented. I might, I might I might have been that just because very few dudes on that team would have been a part of all those years and that's a little odd to have other years

a little bit odd on there so maybe I'd stick with that Pittsburgh ring at one but I just like those they are gaudy but it's a Super Bowl ring symmetry is the key and listen I have two gaudy rings and I didn't include them in my rankings

of course because that would be unfair I would have to just put them one and two whatever order they would be. I might actually be Patriots first. Even though I don't like the look of it, it's so, I don't know what the word would be, oblong. Is it oblong?

What is it in which case it would be oblong? Like a football? It's a funny shape. It's a funny shape. It's like to fit all the diamonds in there, they had to make it so big, so big. The Eagles ones a little bit. bit more manageable in size, but the thing I like about, oh gosh, it's hard to rank the two, and this

is why I didn't do it. The Patriots, we had 283 diamonds in there for 28 to 3, which I thought was an interesting touch, and I liked it. And the touch I really liked on the Eagles side was they had the underdog emblem in there on the inside of the ring, which is cool. German Shepherd. Yellow, German Shepherd. So I love those. I love the gaudy when it's done right, but it's rarely ever done right and that's why for me the green bay was such an outlier but again that was the 90s things have changed where do we go from here uh let's do logos real quick first off they become corporate we talk about this a lot said landor or lander the agency that worked with the NFL to create the system quote unquote a sports event of this stature needs a consistent a sports event

Like Rob Lowe in his NFL hat. A symbol that fans could immediately recognize, much like the Olympic rings. Just like it. The logos stink now. It's just a big Lombardi trophy with Roman numerals around it. They used to be fire. This is a well-worn path we're going down here.

Bring back the cool stuff. What I didn't realize is when they started with these stank logos, was the first time the shield, speaking of Roblo ever appeared on the Super Bowl logo and it appears on the Lombardi trophy. Oh, wow. I don't like that. I don't like anything about it.

I think we got to go back. You're trying to brand it like the Olympics. I read the same thing. You know, back in the day, you had, you know, Super Bowl 33 was in Miami. I was reading about this and the guy who designed it was like, well, you know, it was cool. They gave me an objective and I got some creative

leeway to fit the logo to the city in Miami in 33 was an example. Super Bowl 36 was right after 9-11, although the logo isn't great. It didn't crack my top five. There was some American flag stuff going on in the logo.

So he had the liberty to, no pun intended, do what you'd like to do with that logo. And now I think the big shift is you're not just putting it on paper. There's a big licensing component. And how do you reproduce it in print is one thing but how do you you know what would sell on a sweatshirt honestly

i take a hundred super bowl 30 logo hats sweatshirts over any of this bullshit they have now um and that's a little preview into my list um i have at number five Super Bowl 31 that was a new orleans uh logo that's the reggie white these are far running down the field great picks Chris with the bowl cut. Yeah, Super Bowl 31 is my 5. At 4, I have Super Bowl 3. That's very tech-mo-bull looking, but it's very fitting of a Super Bowl that occurred circa 1970.

And then at 3, I have 21, which is obviously, as you can see, on the logo plate at the Rose Bowl. It's one rose with Super Bowl in a very retro font and a nice clean Roman numeral XXI bottom right. Simple, beautiful. These are beautiful logos. Now for my two and one.

My number two, my number two, he sounded like Eli Manning when he said. Okay. All right. My Super Bowl logo number two is Super Bowl 30. I just thought it was very cool. It was obviously played in Arizona. You got the Arizona vibe going.

I never, I think the movie Triple X cheapens this entire experience for me with Vin Diesel. You went with X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, how would you describe that? I think the color scheme is really nice. Yeah, you said it was in Arizona? Yep, it looks like Arizona in a logo. Agreed. Anyways, number one for me is...

Symmetrical as heck. As A-F. ASF. And number one for me is Super Bowl 27. And that was another Rose Bowl one. So I'm cheating. We all love the Rose Bowl. I love the logo.

You got three roses here. Two of them haven't fully matured yet. Flanking the nice mature rose in the middle there. And bloom. And it's blooming. Yeah. And the color palette, again, it's a little bit of green, red, and blue.

Beautiful. I'm going to show you how, easy this is by showing you three simple logos that I loved. If the NFL wanted to mandate, hey, all we need is red and blue, because that's what the logo looks like. This is how easy it is. My top is going to be your top.

Super Bowl 27. Yep, it's awesome. I think the Rose Bowl is a cheat code to throw a rose into the logo. Every Super Bowl should be played there. Luxury seating, be dead. Damned. Yeah.

Capacity stadium to be damned. And then those two beautifully symmetrical Super Bowl logos from 22 and 26. That's how good I am at reading Roman numerals after this exercise. Yeah, you're good. 26 wasn't on my radar, but that's pretty cool. Why is the football shooting up like a rocket? Why is the football shooting up? They shoot that one at the NASA headquarters in Cape Canaveral.

Super Bowl 26. as most know was played in a space station what the fuck is that ball shooting up like that for you know you needed to add a little depth to that logo

Metro Dome Yep The Washington team beat the Buffalo team and then you really I looked at these for too long and went through a time where I started to not like them. Yeah.

But not as much as I don't like the corporate ugliness of what we have now. And then I came back around and they're all just wonderful. Good, good. Because they are unique. Well, maybe one day it'll go back to that. Another idea I was thinking about, well, I'm thinking about all the Super Bowls is, I wonder if one day in the next 25 years, do you think we'll have an international Super Bowl? 25 years.

Yeah. I say yes. Yeah. I think it's always been on their agenda. I think you're going to run out of new stadiums to build and promise an event, you know, because that's kind of the flow of this whole thing. The city says, well, if we build a stadium, we get the event, and it's probably never worth it in the long run.

But when you look at international, it's hard to think of a place where you might play it in the dead of winter. I mean, there's only almost all of England's out unless there's some spectacular indoor stadium. Maybe Australia, Rio. I'd be down for that. That'd be a fun trip. It's not like you're pricing out any people going. First thing that came to mind for me was London

just because we've already seen games there. But you're right, we might have to go indoor there, which isn't the worst thing in the world if the stadium's right, is evidenced in Minneapolis, that thing's a butte and has big windows. Big windows. And also one of the best Super Bowls of all time was played there. One of the best Final Fours of all time was also.

Also, you're right. So the ring stories that I forgot to mention was, and these were some of the stories from that article on ESPN.com. So the Jets, they won that Super Bowl 3 and Joe Smith, the center. He lost his ring surfing in Hawaii for four decades. four decades lifeguard found it stashed it

and when he died the lifeguard in 2011 his niece found it and returned it to Joe Schmidt Lifeguard what you doing bud 40 years bud it's not like it's an ambiguous

design there on the ring I wonder if they had their names on those rings I mean even if the name wasn't on the ring ring, don't you wonder if it was maybe somebody who was on that Super Bowl team? Yeah, you can narrow it down.

But at an APB and say Yeah. Hey, I got your ring, bro. Yeah, it's not like a really cool shell you find on the beach. No, it looks way different than a shell. It's not quite finders keepers. Joe Green lost his two. He dropped it out of a car window and got run over by a car in front of him.

It was misshapen and eventually fixed. You wonder, whoever ran it over has no idea they ran it over. somebody's out there and that person ran over Joe Green's ring and has no idea. That's pretty interesting to me. Drew Pearson, the guy who just got snubbed from the Hall of Fame,

lost his in Studio 54, which is another nose candy hot spot. I'm not accusing anybody. That's what I think about when I think about Studio 54 is a bunch of people hopped up on drugs dancing to shitty music. And that's what that's what people were doing that night

and nobody kept the ring. The janitors found it and returned it to Drew Pearson. If you lose a ring now at a big nightclub, what are your chances of getting it back? One in 100. I think it's higher.

I think it's like 10 and 100, which would be 10%. So you're saying maybe 1 in 10 there? Yeah, 1 in 10. Okay. This is another one. Jim Plunkett left his in a fanny pack. Very era appropriate overnight.

Got his car broken into. The fanny pack was gone. He's like crushed. A year later, construction crew finds the fanny pack in the bushes. And somebody sold the money, but didn't take the ring. And then,

well, I'm not going to tell this story because it's much more serious. Okay. Good idea. Yeah. So that was the Super Bowl Rankins. Did you have any prop bets real quick before we draft this team?

Yeah. Yeah, I sure do, Chris. Who will the Super Bowl MVP mentioned first in his speech? These are out. Teammates at plus 150. God at plus 210. Family or family member at plus 550. A city at plus 800.

A coach at plus 450. An owner at plus 1,400. Gully. Or none of the above plus 500. You're a Super Bowl MVP. Who do you think first? Well, I probably, I probably thank the city.

And those are good odds. Yeah. That's the best value out of those prop bets. Although, if the Niners win, are you thinking San Francisco when you're playing in Santa Clara and you're probably not living in either? Thank you, San Jose Tech Corridor.

Thank you, Silicon Valley. Thank you, Silicon Valley. Also, hello to our first. friends in the Bay Area. Right. Now, if Kansas City wins, that's going to be at the top of mind for a lot of those guys. It's going to throw people off. Yeah. I think God is a good, it's a good bet at plus 210, yeah? Yeah. Plus eight hundred. If you want to be safe, go with God. I like what you said with city. Family too. I mean, nobody's going to think their family first. That's last usually. Yeah, because, well, you're not going to, you're going to thank an individual. It would be like your wife or, you know,

your kids, you do that at some point because there's too many family members to name right off the bat. It could get awkward, right? Yeah. You gather your thoughts, you thank the shit out of your city. I like city at plus 18 or plus 800. Will Fox broadcast, shout out Joe and Troy, mention the point spread or total during the broadcast? Yes, plus 170, no minus 250. No minus 250. Will a fan run onto the field during the game? Yes, plus 700, no, minus 1,600. I mean, you, all you need to do to qualify as a fan

is sit in the stands and then run back onto the field. Would that be illegal for me to lay big money down and just run on the field? Probably tell somebody like me to lay big money and then I'll get you afterwards. A cut. Shout out to the FBI. Don't do anything to us.

Well, any player proposed to his girlfriend on the field after the game. Yes, plus 500, no minus 900. That's probably a no. I would think a no, don't you? Because you have to, listen,

here's the thing. If you're going to do the proposal thing, it's contingent on you winning, yeah, you're not going to propose after a law. So it's, yeah. And it eliminates,

one would thank the married folk. Yeah, yeah. Okay, those are a few I liked. I made one up. Are you taking the over or under on Jason Kelsey's sweet shots? Under because Jason Kelsey probably won't be there. You don't think so? I'm guessing.

You don't think so? Will he? Inside information. He's going to be in Miami. Huh. He's probably going to be in a suite, I bet. Brought the family down. What's your number?

Two. I would need to count on a couple of Travis's touchdowns, I reckon. You need a Travis touchdown, maybe an MVP, which I think is very plausible. I think you said a good number there. I'll say, I'll say, I have to see Jason Kelsey. If you take the over, I'm going to set the odds at plus 500. I think 2.5 is the right number. I think it probably lands at 2.

I'll go under. Okay. Gotcha. And what do you think the odds should be for under? I don't know. Not so good with odds. Andy Reed punting the ball graphic of some sort. or throwing the ball.

It was the... Oh, the pump passing kick? Yeah, pump passing kick. Did he do it? Where did he do it? In L.A. back in the day when he was a little kid. It was in L.A. But he was a big little kid.

Yeah, no, I know the clip. Plus 350 is what I'm setting the odds out there. I'll say... I'm taking that bet. I'll say we don't get it. I'm saying we get it because last week he threw the penalty flag and that kind of went viral. They were doing side by side.

So plus 350, I think. is realistic. Okay, time to draft the players and get out of here. Offensive players here. Very strategic by you to wait until the end of the pod when I'm mentally exhausted.

I'm fatigued. Yeah. We're going to draft the draft pool is the players playing in this football game. Yes. And we had a coin toss of sorts yesterday. I wrote a number on the whiteboard here.

in the office. Right. You were to say whether it was even or odd, you said even. The number was 1,431, which is odd, which puts me on the clock. Yeah, it does. Will you say something for like three seconds? Say anything you like. Super Bowl is coming up and we're going to draft the players on offense.

And you guys might be interested and you might not. Do you get it? I get it. I'm on the clock. He's on his laptop and he's, got the on-the-clock sound. With the first pick. Yeah.

In the Super Bowl player, offensive player draft. Oh my God. Smoothly. Team Macon will select Patrick Mahomes, quarterback, Kansas City. And that would put Team Chris on the clock. And it's a snake draft, by the way. Yep. Chris has second and third pick.

Yeah, and I'll take both the stud tight ends. I'll take Kelsey and Kittal. You know, judging by the fact that you took Pat Mahomes, I'm going to have to take Jimmy G or Bethard with the last pick in the draft because you can't draft two quarterbacks. We agreed on that. Limit 1 QB.

You can't cock block the other guy by, you know, drafting Jimmy G4. Well, I still would snag Bethard and I'd feel pretty good. But I'm going to take both those dynamic tight ends. first Super Bowl with 2,000 yard tight ends on both sides. We're going to need to attack the middle of the field with Jimmy G. I like these guys. And Kittal can play fullback in 21 sets.

You might have just won the draft with that power play. That's stunning. That really is. Okay, well, I have no choice but to go with Tyreek Hill at 4. You sure with the character issues? Yeah. You're okay with having a guy like that on your team? Yeah, I need a figurative weapon for quarterback my homes.

Oh my goodness. Well, you just played right into my hand. Well, I have the fifth pick as well, dog. Oh, fuck. But what did you mean by that? Huh. Well, I wanted your team to have low character. Okay.

With the fifth pick, I will take the best back on the board and Rahim Moster. You fucking idiot, dude. the backs don't matter. There's no really great backs on this board. Okay. Yes. I will take Debo Samuel. Hmm.

And he has zero touchdowns in the last six games, five receptions or less in the last eight straight. Breaks a lot of tackles, physical, a lot of end breakers. I'm betting on him getting well and getting multiple touches north of five in the Super Bowl, especially with me coaching this offense. And probably he's going to find the end zone, so I like Debo.

Okay. You have one more. Oh gosh. You know, every team needs a dominant tackle, don't they? So if you're looking at me now, I have,

golly, two of the best receiving tight ends, you know, individually the last decade or so. I have, Debo Samuel, an up-and-coming physical wide receiver, a lot of yak. Now we just need to protect Jimmy, and I'll take Mitchell Schwartz, 88% grade, or an 88.0, whatever the fuck that means, grade on PFF.

Yeah. Also a really good right tackle, though, to be honest. Played against him a lot. Okay. I will go. Yeah, I'm going to shore that up. I'm going to go Joe Staley and Mike McClinty. Oh, good for you.

You got your tackles. A couple of tackles. Good for you. So I have Kittle, Samuel. I have Debo and I have Schwartz. And you... You need some more time to do research? No, no.

I'm just typing my guys up here. So I've got one tackle in Schwartz. I could go Brunskill. You could? I could go Eric Fisher. That's right. I think I'll take Eric Fisher Okay

Yeah Nice Yeah you have another pick Yep So I'll take Eric Fisher And Eric Fisher and Eric Fisher is a fine player And he's going to play well with his other tackle

Mitchell Swartz But we need somebody To run the rock, don't we? I have a feeling And do I get a healthy Tevin Coleman, sure. Okay. I'm going to take Tevin Coleman with my six pick. Okay. Powerback.

Got the speed to hit the home run, but's not afraid to run it right inside tackle. We're getting that big wing a lot. Collapse the edge down. One cut, bounce outside. Or just hit it downhill. We're throwing the ball around the yard, so we're taking Emmanuel Sanders and Sammy Watkins. Good for you. Thank you. So at this point I've got the best receiving

or tight end core of all time. You don't need to talk about your team at every pick. No, it's just helping me it's helping me take a look at my roster, see what we need here. So we need two guards in a center. Or we can just take another Y receiver.

Now I'm going to go ahead and take a Ben Garland. It's important to have a center who is one of the better centers in the league also going to be climbing Killy with waterboys.org here coming up after he might win a Super Bowl. He's going to be my center.

Jimmy G is comfortable with him. So we'll take Garland. And I will take, gosh, this could be the first big reach of the entire draft. No, you know what? I'll do it. Kendrick Bourne. Hmm.

And who would you say that is? Wide receiver. Okay. For the San Francisco 49ers number 84. We need a second guy. Wasn't on my big board, but that's a nice pick. I'll go,

I will go, I really should know how many picks I have left. Let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven off the board for me. Eight, nine. Let me go. Let me go, Stefan Wisniewski.

Oh, fuck. And Lake and Tomlinson. Those are my guards. Ugh. Ugh. Guard is going to be an issue for my team. But you can cover a lot up on the interior with good center play, good. Tight ends.

Good tight ends. I'll take Wiley and L.D. Okay. You want to say his name? Tardif. Two guards. Wiley and LDT. Okay. How many picks are left, Chris? Well, I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten players. So it looks like we both have one more. Nine.

We both have one left, huh? Yeah, I've got Kittle, Samuel. No, I've got Kittle, Kelsey, D, So Schwartz, Fisher, Coleman, Garland, Born, Wiley, LDT. That's 10 players. Okay. I have Mahomes, Mostert, Tyree Kill, Emmanuel Sanders, Sammy Watkins, and I have my tackles and my guard. So I have nine.

I have two picks remaining. Yeah. I wonder why that is. Do we just fuck this whole draft thing up? I don't know, we'll see. We'll see in a bit. If I do have two picks left, I'm taking use check.

Golly, we let the fullback fall pretty far, but I didn't need a fullback because Kittle's going to do that for me. I don't either. I'm just keeping away from you, and I need my center. I'm taking Austin Ryder. Oh, that's great.

I'm going to take Breita to round out my 11. Now, let me make sure I have everybody here, because the only way we lose this game is if we don't have enough men on the field. I've got at center, Garland, I have Wiley and LDT at Guard, I have Schwartz and Eric Fisher at tackle. That's five linemen there.

Now we're going to be in a lot of two tight end sets. Again, not to remind you, but we scooped up Kittle and Kelsey. That's seven players. And at receiver, we have Debo and Bourne. Oh, I forgot to draft a quarterback. Yeah, and Jimmy G. Yeah.

So let me not draft Breda and let me make that Jimmy G. Got it. I was wondering what the hell was missing. Obviously, it was the quarterback that from Pick 2, everybody knew that we were going to snag. My old line is Staley, McGlinchy, Wuzniewski, Tomlinson, and Ryder. That'd be five. Okay.

Oh, yeah, and this is where it got weird because I don't have a tight end. Right. Okay. So you're going to mean a lot of 10 person now. Right. So then I have Mahomes. My name is terrible. Mostert,

uh, seven. And then I have my team is terrible. Then I have Tyreek Hill, Emmanuel Sanders, Sammy Watkins. And then my de facto tight end just ruined all of your ass is Kyle U's check. And I'm going to,

I'm going to run this show. You're going to line him up and like. Everywhere. Everywhere. Okay. You think of a place. I'm lining him up there. Okay, good luck matching up with my two-headed monster.

Defensive draft coming Wednesday. Yeah, defensive draft coming Wednesday, and we'll base that off the offenses that we've drafted today. So thanks for hanging with us. That was our draft. Again, you can, if you're watching on YouTube, you can check out our drafted teams right now. So we got not much to watch this weekend.

I don't know what the hell we'll talk about. Tuesday, probably the Super Bowl. Watch some chalk content. Oh, yeah. Well, if you're sitting at home, yeah, watch the Lane Johnson interview we did. Look at some old stuff. We got Fishbowl popping up on iTunes and, you know, Spotify, all your little devices. You know, you can watch them on your, you can listen to them on your iPhone, right? For those of you who have kept Twitter, you can watch clips there. Yeah, we've got links.

So yeah, we got good stuff up on chalk, so check that out. And then Tuesday we'll be back before I head to Miami and take this show on the road. So thanks and y'all take care. Take care of yourselves.