Green Light with Chris Long - Ep. 35 - NFL News Updates Including Andy Dalton, and Worst Breaks in Sports History.

Episode Date: May 1, 2020

1:47 - Chris and Macon Catch Up and Talk Video Games. 5:54 - Chris and Macon's Favorite Sport Star to Wear #35. 19:22 - Chris and Macon Talk NFL News. 26:14 - Stanford Steve joins to discuss the Worst Breaks in Sports. 47:58 - Stanford Steve on 1982 NCAA National Championship. Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Happy Friday. It is almost the weekend, which of course means absolutely nothing right now. It just means two days at the end of the week. Yeah, we've got 35s this week. We have a little bit of football news. We're also going to have our friend Stanford Steve on to talk about, you know, some of the, I'm not even a lot. You know, we are knee-deep in this quarantine thing. And running out of topics here, and we had the draft Sunday.

I know I said it would drag it out for months and months, but I want to be creative. So I thought about the worst breaks in sports history. If you Google that, it's actually not something you want to look at because a lot of times Google translates that as, hey, let's look at the guy from Louisville's leg injury. Let's look at Joe Thaisman's leg injury. Not interested in doing that, but what we're talking about is like bad luck situations.

And some of these are going to be mixed bad luck. Some of these players and teams had agency here could have made the right play or the right move, but all told, it's just an unlucky, unfortunate situation. So we're going to bring Stanford Steve in, who has a wealth of knowledge, very funny, friend of the program, and we're going to run through our list of bad breaks in the sports world. That doesn't mean they're the biggest, baddest breaks that are just ones we feel like talking about on a Friday morning. So we'll hit that.

We will go through some NFL news real quick. We will talk about our number 35s. I hope everybody is staying safe out there. I'm your host, Chris Long. This is the Green Light Pot, and I have, via Zoom. Thank you to the good folks at Zoom for making this possible. My co-host, Making Gunner. This is episode 35 proper.

Welcome. Yo, Chris, happy May Day. I want to ask you, though, doesn't the weekend still have a vibe to it, a feel to it, even though it's the exact same as Monday through Friday? You know, it does. If you're churning out content all week, it's a good break. You know, I let the vocal cords rest. I let the brain rest a little bit.

This is hard work. Even if you're not churning content, I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, it's Saturday. Why don't I stay up until 1230? Yeah, let's stay up until 2 a.m. for no reason. 1155 that I try to hit. Yeah, it's weird. I'll probably think that I'm entitled to play video games later. and my lovely wife Meg will remind me that, you know, Saturday morning is going to start around the same time.

It doesn't really matter. Yeah. What are you playing? Call of Duty. Finally got that thing right. I told you guys about that a few weeks ago. My brothers had been pressuring me to play the game. I download the game.

I've been playing it for days getting my kill death ratio up, only to realize that I had downloaded the wrong game. I was playing a three-year-old Call-a-Duty game. and that was embarrassing. But now I am on call of duty. I love it. I missed it. I didn't know how much I missed it. You've been playing some video games too, I understand.

Yeah, my lovely wife, Kate, goes to bed a couple hours before I do. So that's MeTime. Credit, Big Cat, with the inspiration. I've been playing a seven-year-old video game called NC2A football, where I started as an OC at Georgia, was there two years, won a chip. then I moved on to UCLA. I'm about year three there, 8 and 0. Number four in the country.

I spend untold amounts of time recruiting fake avatars. Little digital men. Yeah, and then the most embarrassing part, which I absolutely love, is that when they commit to UCLA, I don't go in there and change their attributes. I change their name. So I got a running back last year. He was playing a little in his first year in Pasadena.

Good for him. His name was Mike Hodge. That's who committed. I changed his name to Orlando Hodges. And now he's just got a lot more swag to him. He's got a little bit more swag. And I'm assuming you're playing the game a little bit because of our friend Big Cat. Yeah, no, for sure.

I didn't think, I saw him play and I was like, damn, I missed those days. just went looking through an envelope of Xbox games, thinking I would find NBA 2K 14 or so. And there was NCAA football. I didn't think I had it. So it doesn't quite hit like it used to, as the kids say. But it's a nice way to pass a few nights during quarantine. Yeah, deep in the recruiting game late at night in quarantine.

The little digital men, I'm sure they love the program you're building. They should know, though, that it's probably unsafe to gather in crowds of 65,000 right now. If they weren't aware, there is a pandemic. You can also make these kids promises, and I promise all the kids who are from Cali that I will get them a home game or I'll play a game. You'll get them a home? No, no, no, no. Recruiting violations. I'll get them a game in their home state, which feels like a bit of a cheat code because we're playing 75% of our games.

in the state of California. I love it. I love it. Playing chess, not checkers. Making Gunner, formerly offensive coordinator of Georgia, now head coach at UCLA. Got the Bruins rolling.

You might want to monitor that. But let's start off right off the bat with those 35s, and I'll let you go first. Your number 35. My number 35 is Reggie Lewis, born November 21st, 1965, and Baltimore, Maryland was a first round pick of the Boston Celtics,

in 1987. He went to Northeastern, where he was coached by Jim Calhoun. 17th game of his second season. He went head to head with his eriness, Michael Jordan. Lewis had 33, 6 and 4. I remember talking to MJ about him, said Jim Calhoun. Oh, I was like, oh, damn, you talked to MJ. Michael said, Michael said Reggie's first step was the best in the league.

That's pretty high praise. Calhoun also said that Reggie was the only guy he knew who would want to go one-on-one full court as just a way of getting a workout in, which is pretty nutty when you think about it to go full court one-on-one. The guy also had 36 in the 92 playoffs against the Cavs, followed by 42, 6, and 5.

His teammate D. Brown said by that point, he was our quiet superstar. He says he watches Kevin Durant, can't help but see Reggie Lewis. He was the guy. He was the captain. He was a superstar. He goes on to play game one of a first round matchup against the Hornets in 93.

Midway through the first quarter in the Boston Garden, he has 11 points. And he then stumbles to the court, crumbles to the floor, as if his Reeboks were tight. together said a slam magazine piece following day checked into new england baptist hospital underwent a series of tests and was diagnosed with focal cardiomyopathy he was shooting around three months later at brandeis university where he collapsed again and later died chris he was the first dude uh celebrity i remember dying he died july 27th 1993 in Waltham, Massachusetts.

And when I heard about it, I guess I would have been seven. You may be eight. Eight. Yeah, thanks a lot. And I was just like, wow, that was my first experience with a non-family member dying. And it shook me. He wore the number 35. He scored 21 a season for two seasons.

mind you, this is seven years after the death of Limbias. Celtics organization hit with two tragedies within a decade, hard to believe. But a guy that in my mind is often forgotten, not widely talked about. Absolutely. I hadn't heard his name in quite a while. I had to Google the year he died. I remember he passed away, but I don't remember it vividly as a guy. kid. I'm not going to act like I remembered when he passed away in that moment. But it does make

me think about, you know, I wonder, it feels like as we're getting older, celebrity deaths are more common. Now, part of that might be that we're older and people that we actually pay attention to are dying more, which is natural. But I think also, like, it's easier to become a celebrity these days. So statistically speaking, if you open Twitter, there's going to be somebody who passed away. That was a shocking one. I mean, like, when an athlete dies in their prime, that's really shocking. I think it makes them seem even more superheroish because they play a sport, and that's what you know them for. So, yeah, I mean, that's a huge shocker. They're few and far between. I mean, you mentioned Len bias, but from that time period, that was one of the most shocking

celebrity or athlete deaths out there. Yeah, no doubt. And this is after the bird, Mikhail parish Celtics years. This is of course before the more recent run when they're winning titles. They really could have run that thing throughout the 90s. I mean, these are playoff teams that Reggie Lewis is playing on and playing well and going head to head with Michael Jordan holding his own. And I remember I had his basketball card. That's probably why part of the reason why it hit me so hard as a seven-year-old was, you know, that shoebox full of basketball cards was one of your most prized possessions. And to think that this superhero can just be taken away like that is, is eye-opening to a youngster, to say the least. Yeah, let me bridge the

gap to yours by mentioning another 35. And that was myself. I wish I could say it was in tribute to Reggie Lewis. Instead, I was sick on Jersey Selection Day for St. Anne's Bellfield's ninth grade basketball team. I did not make junior varsity my freshman year. And so I got stuck. So what happened? Did you play in the eighth and ninth grade team? It was just higher. Nah, these years it was just, there were so many of us that they created just a freshman team. Like Kingston. Kingston was our rock on that squad. But I was saddled, I feel like, with 35.

I didn't know when Jersey Day was going to be. I would have gone into school because this is something that matters a lot to me. Saving Grace was that Travis Watson at Virginia was also wearing 35. So I could play it off as if I was trying to be like our guy, T. some might know them. T. Watt. That's T.Wat. DeWat was a dog, man. I love T.Wat.

Ann Juan Unis. Creamsicles, our version of the cream sickles are worthy of a Google search. Yeah, I scored probably like 20 points that entire season, a couple clutch free throws to send it to overtime against Collegiate. But 35, I don't think it's the sexiest number. We can go through a few after you. No, it's not. I don't know what makes it so unethed.

It's especially unsexy in football. 35 is just a weird number. And some of these teams with their numeric styles shrink that number really small for whatever reason. It just looks on a big back. It can just look tiny. Now, my 35, I'm not going to overthink this, is Kevin Durant. He's been one of my favorites just because, and of course, Frank Thomas was in there. There were a few that I thought about.

The D-Train was in there. Don Trow Willis. I thought long and hard about making him my 35. By the way, he follows me on Twitter. So shout out to Don Trell Willis. That's a great follow there. Also, obviously, Kevin Durant. So it wasn't hard for me to figure this one out.

I've been a fan of his. I've defended him, you know, in locker room conversations when guys say, you know, he's a ring chaser, this, that, and the third. This whole concept of ring chasing in pro sports is an awkward one. You know, I think on one hand, you know, you would be applauded growing up for putting the team first and buying into a team situation where you're, you know, key cog, but not the A1 guy. And what we found is this debate over the last decade of how is it acceptable to win your championships. And Kevin Durant's one guy who's been unapologetic about what he does and where he goes. He's also been entertaining to me because of the burner accounts, the clapbacks.

He seems very human. He seemed just like what a lot of us would act like if we had that much fame. And he's also one of the best of all time. And he is a DMV native. So I've got Kevin Durant. And maybe we'll see one of these nets. teams play itself out where he can in the minds of some people who have downgraded his success because he joined the Warriors.

And by the way, he was the reason the Warriors were great, in my opinion. And he was the catalyst for them being as dominant as they were. I mean, they were dominant before him. But he was the best player on that team. Let's not get it twisted. Maybe these Nets teams will be able to prove something out later in his career as more of an individual. and that would be fun.

Whenever basketball comes back, by the way, the rumor mill is stirring. We could have basketball later this year. I know LeBron definitely wants his fourth ring. He's like, no, no, no, we're going to play. We're going to play. Just wait. We're going to get this thing under control.

I have heard rumors, though, that the season will resume at some point here in some abbreviative fashion and we go to the playoffs. So I'm interested to see Kevin Durant eventually get healthy. and enjoy some success again. I didn't have that sort of foresight, but I did purchase,

maybe my only Shersie was Durant 35 Sonics, which now looks great. Yeah. And you can't get those anymore. Nah. And you probably can, but I was OG at the time when he was drafted out of Texas, 35.

Now, how do you reconcile K. now being a number seven with the Nets, but being your 35? I don't like number seven. I don't like it at all, although I did when I went up to see the Brooklyn Nets, snagged, Luke and Whalen, Acadie, and Tyree Jersey. One of those kids is going to grow up and look at the pictures and be like, what the fuck I got the Kyrie jersey.

I believe the earth was flat. The other guy is one of the best scores of all time. I don't remember who got what. But yeah, seven to me, not my favorite. But again, Kevin Durant, definitely one of my favorites. And for all his personalities perceived imperfections, I think that if we're honest about ourselves, we all have a little bit of that spitefulness, of that insecurity in us. And here we are looking at one of the best scores of all time in a game where you would think that confidence is at an all-time high.

And why would you lower yourself to clapping back at people or downloading a burst? burner account. He's just like us. He's just like you. I mean, he is he is the every man NBA superstar. He's just a fucking asshole and I like it. This question is halfway serious, halfway joking. Do you ever get called a ring chaser for going to New England even though you had been released and your whole entire organization moved across the country? Well, ironically, I think only like Patriots fans will call me that. Patriots fans have a weird thing about you bending over backwards to appreciate them and the opportunity that you were given. Everybody that joins that team has a role to play.

You ever heard of it? It's called Do Your Job. And my job was to show up, play some three technique on run situations, play right end when I was a career left end, you know, do a bunch of stuff that was out of my comfort zone. And I did that in order to win a championship. I think it's, you know, where I was 32 years old, real good player in the league, but not a Hall of Fame or anything like that, it's not going to be as big a deal. I'm a role player on a team that's got a chance to win a championship. I think in basketball, it's a little bit different.

If you're a star and you're joining a five-man roster, you're joining that roster can impact the trajectory of that team so unfairly the way some people look at it. If you're joining a team of 53 guys, you are a cog, again, to use that twice. And you've got to play your role. Now, my role wasn't huge on the paths. I haven't been called a ring chaser a lot, but I will be unapologetic about it. What's wrong with chasing a fucking ring? I had been in St. Louis for eight years and won at the most seven games.

And that was far in a way. That felt like being a Super Bowl contender relative to winning two and one game. So I would never apologize to anybody about quote unquote ring chasing in New England for two reasons. One, they have no idea what it's like to play in St. Louis for eight years and waste your prime there. Two, after I left New England on my own power, on my own will, I did the opposite of ring chasing. I went to a team and I was criticized for this by New England fans, some of them, that wasn't competitive. it. When I said I was leaving for Philly, a lot of my IG comments were, enjoy the losing in Philly. You know, I can tell, you know, you're all about you first.

You're an individual, that sort of thing. Turned out, I was ring chasing twice. So let's get to the NFL news, off the 35s. Andy Dalton's released. Shocker, absolutely not. I would think that they could have done it earlier. But here we are. And now, you're you're looking at maybe Andy to New England. That's the news that's swirling or the rumor that's swirling. That's common sense for people that are in denial that New England would go with Stidham. Could it be that they just like Stidham, that they don't like James, that they don't think Cam fits? Could it also be that any of those three quarterbacks that we're talking about, well, we're not talking about James anymore.

We're talking about Cam, we're talking about Stidham. We're talking about, you know, Andy Dahl. anybody but Stidham probably guarantees you to win nine, ten games, but not a lot more. Now, I understand the argument for the upside of Cam Newton, but there's a lot we don't know about Cam Newton physically. You have to acknowledge that. I think that sometimes when people criticize Cam Newton, a whole bunch of bad motivations are assigned to that person with the opinion. I like Cam Newton. I don't know if he's healthy.

Okay. Would I rather have Andy Dalton in New England? Not necessarily. I don't know. Would I rather have Jared Stidham? Because in the big scheme of things, if you win nine, ten games, you're not a winner at all in New England. Next year, you're back in the thick of it, needing a quarterback.

You don't have a roster in New England right now that can win with Andy Dalton, win a Super Bowl. You might be able to win enough games to push you to the middle of the draft order next year, but you're not going to win a Super Bowl. So it's kind of a waste to me. I would stick with Stidham. What would you do? It's one of those things where I watched like a singular Jarrett Stidham game at Auburn where I had a gentleman's wager on the ball game and lost.

And so I've written them off forever. I'm curious to see if I also saw a lot of read option at Auburn. I just I don't know if he's, I don't know if anyone knows if he's an NFL pocket pass or, I mean, I don't know. I'm anti-stat. I mean, like, does it matter, though? Because what we're really talking about here is a dynasty that nothing less than returning to that stage is going to be a success for Bill Belichick.

Now, if he wins 10, 11 games with Jared Stidham, reputation upheld, but I'm not sure that, you know, Bill's thinking, hey, it's a mystery what Bill's thinking. I mean, you could make an argument that he's thinking, you know, hey, Jared lowers the expectations so that my legacy's intact. I don't think he thinks that way. I also don't think he wants to tank. So as a competitor, it's really tough to do. I don't think their defense is good enough historically to carry an offense that's as inept as the offense that was last year. And then you add, or you subtract Tom and you add Stidham.

I don't, they're in kind of a weird limbo situation. I don't know that Andy Dalton does anything to fix it also. sale. In fact, he might drive you further down the draft order next year. Well, I do think Bill gets credit with Andy Dalton. I mean, you're talking about big numbers there, Chris, 10, 11 games. I think if he does that with Andy Dalton, it's akin to doing it with Jared Sidham. I know. Morgan Lewis did it with Andy Dalton at times. He just couldn't win a playoff game. Right. And I don't know. You look at quarterbacks, you can certainly go through free agency as

well, but Trevor Lawrence next year, Justin Fields, Jamie Newman, Wake to Georgia, Kellynne Monde, Sam Allinger, Texas. I mean, there are a lot of names. I don't know if there's a long play. It sounds like Bill was pretty candid when he talked about, yeah, we didn't draft a quarterback, but that wasn't necessarily the plan. Right. No, I mean, it's just very matter of fact, and I think, again, this comes down to the general public warning Bill Belichick and the Patriots, do something interesting when the biggest thing that they could do maybe is stay the course, see what happens. Again, you win with Jared Stidham.

You are certifiably the goat. If you lose with them, you're in the Lawrence sweepstakes. Or you've got a nice pick in next year's draft. So I think expectations are to be tempered a bit with the Patriots. And I think with Andy Dalton, we can't forget, and I've heard people call them an average quarterback. That's a relative term. Andy Dalton brought the Bengals to the playoffs a good bit, could not win the big game. He also had Marvin Lewis to blame as well.

And being an average NFL quarterback, if you mean that to say a mid-tier quarterback, there's only 32 in the world, if that, that can do it at a competent level. The drop off from a depth perspective at quarterback is much different than a defensive end or a wide receiver. There are 32, if that on the planet, who can do it at a high level. and Andy has had years where he's done at a high level. And if you're calling him average, I would just say, you know, we all love to make jokes about the Bengals and Andy Dalton,

but he did some good things in Cincinnati, one of which was not win a playoff game. Now, if he ends up in the playoffs with the Patriots and, you know, some of these fans get their wish, I think he's got a much better chance at winning that game than he did with Marvin Lewis and, you know, under the headset. So, yeah, that'll be interesting. Also, quick, quick blur before we get Stanford Steve on here.

CD Lamb will wear 88 in Dallas. Now, I have no idea what that means. I don't know if Jerry Jones made him do that. I mean, they've taken this 88 thing from Drew Pearson to Brian to Dez to to Michael Irvin, out of order there. But you would think at some point that number's sacred. But again, I thought DeMarcus wear 94 and then they have Randy Gregory wear it a year or two after he's gone.

So I don't know what's going on in Dallas there with the number thing. It just doesn't look like it would fit C.D. Lamb, who wore number two at Oklahoma. But we shall see. NCAA football 13. I give my best player one three, 13. Why? Couldn't tell you.

Swag factor. 88 just screams to me. Possession receiver or tight end. Yeah, well, and in Dallas, Michael Irvin, and only Michael Irvin. But, yeah, we'll see. Again, an eight in an eight, it's a big number. It's a big number. It's also a big expectation for CD-LAM and with good reason.

I love him. It's going to be hard to root for him in Dallas, though. We've got Stanford Steve. He's got a fitted hat in a Brewer's baseball jacket. Hey, what's up, buddy? Hi, Steve. How are you? Holy shit.

You don't have any clippers? No, no, I don't. I guess not. He's got a neck beard, doesn't he? I've clicked out of the screen where I can see you people so I can read about sports on my machine here. Are you referring to my head or my neck beard here? All of it. All of it.

It's tremendous. We had Sanford Steve on the live watch last week. It's a lot of fun. It's good to get him. over the podcast wave. Steve, how you doing, man? Where are you at? I'm at home.

I just cracked your bear. It's a happy hour. Let's do it. Nice. Let's fucking go. So as Steve knows, we are ranking, or not ranking,

we're just talking about. We made our little individual list for biggest sports bad breaks in history. And I think these will be, I explained a little bit on the intro, it'll explain itself even better as we run through them.

How do you guys want to do this? You want to do a little round robin? I have one question. Yeah. Do Hail Mary's. Are those luck? Both. They're both.

They're certainly both. Okay. They're both. But, I mean, bring them to the table. Let's hash it out and talk it out. Should I start, since this is technically making in my podcast, and then making it'll go, and then Steve can go. Yeah. The idea is phenomenal.

You guys go, I follow. This is awesome. This is awesome. So in no particular order. And there's two here that I'm going to mention and get off the board because they're asterises. And I'll explain why. Chris Weber and Jim Kelly. Okay.

A lot of people, if you ask him who the most unlucky team in sports is, the bills, the four falls of Buffalo, that sort of thing. You look back at Chris Weber, Boston, the Natty, broke up the Fab Five. I'll start with this. Chris Weber is not unlucky. He was just dumb in that situation. He walked. He was flustered. That's what happened.

he should have been called for the walk. They're down two with seconds to go. He walks on the inbound. And I've heard people say that somebody called timeout on the bench. Steve, you would probably know better than me as somebody who was a little bit older at that time and lived it. I don't see it. When I look back, I've looked for people calling timeout. I haven't been able to find it.

I think he melted down because he walked on the inbound. Yeah. Chris, just imagine this. We spent some time on Bourbon Street back when we were about to be able to go out. Yeah. The best story I heard, I shouldn't say. That's the saddest story I heard is Weber after the game is walking down Bourbon Street and every fan is coming out of the bars and going like this.

No. Yes. Yes. In his tracksuit just trying to have a drink? Can you imagine? It's brutal. And has he talked about it since? Yeah, he's talked about it.

What's he say? Did he say somebody on the... I've heard him say that he's... thought he heard somebody from the bench saying we got a timeout plausible deniability there you know i've heard all for one though on love he's your number one yeah that was yeah you stole it but that's fine sorry i must not have seen it you sent your list in and i'm a dumb ass but i um and we you you can make your case for why that's bad luck i think it's just he melted down and it's terrible because he was a great pro. He played in a place that, you know, I think NBA fans today wouldn't imagine being

very competitive, but they were in the 90s for sure. I mean, they had some different teams. Not a big market, but that's kind of what he's known for most is the Michigan thing, which sucks because he was a great pro. Jim Kelly, here's my case for why he's not unlucky. He's one of my favorites, okay? I love Jim Kelly as a person, absolute beauty, as the hockey guys would say, he's a beaut. That's Jim Can I do a T. Four Super Bowls they lose. It's hard to try to lose four Super Bowls. Here's why they're not unlucky. 20 to 19, they lose the first one. The offense doesn't show up. This is why Jim Kelly's not unlucky to me. They needed Frank Reich's comeback to even get in one of the other four. And what happened in the other three, they were all blowout. So I'm just saying Jim Kelly was great.

He just wasn't the best. And those teams weren't the best in any given of the, you know, those four years. They got a bad draw on their first show up for Super Bowl. It was Belichick and Lawrence Taylor. Are you talking yourself out of putting Jim Kelly on the list? I wanted to address why I think people are like, where's the bills? Where's Jim Kelly? I don't think Jim's unlucky. I think Jim was great.

And if there was any bad luck to it, it was that he didn't play on the Cowboy. Okay. So Bill's fans are pretty unlucky. Bill's fans are very unlucky. You can't choose your team. Yeah. Unless you're a UNC fan or a Duke fan. We will get to that.

You want to go now, Steve? You want to go with your, Steve? Mine? Yeah. Wally Pip. Nice. Wally Pip, pit bull. The ultimate.

Fucking Lil Garig started how many fucking games in a row after he didn't play? Jesus. Wally Pip number one. Yeah, you know what? That's a that's a Bledso situation. Yeah, to the nth degree. Now, there's going to be some on my list that for the sake of time, I'll just interject when you, because no doubt. That's Bledsoe to me.

There are thousands of quarterbacks that played and were not as good as Bledsoe. And it's totally unfair that he'll always be connected to Tom Brady. It's just a bad draw. That's truly bad luck. What's the big make dog got? I mean, Wally Pip became a verb, which is aggressive. I'm going to go with my guy Fred Weiss. There have been hundreds of players drafted in the first round of the NBA draft, never to be heard from again.

Fred Weiss was drafted by the Knicks, never played a game in the NBA. And how many times have dudes been playing hoop? And you got a guy coming at you with the ability to dunk the basketball and you get out the way. All he had to do is get out the way. Weiss is known for having been posterized by the United States of America's Vince Carter during a basketball game between the U.S. and France at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games. Getting the ball off of steel, the 6-6 Carter drove to the basket and spread his legs as he jumped over the 70s. Before dunking the ball ferociously, the French media dubbed the slam,

The Dunk de la Mort, the punk of three. death and the U.S. won the game 106.94. So my guy, all he has to do is, is pivot. Get out the way, let Vince Carter dunk, and instead he's on posters and who knows. Instead, he's wearing what's called the Arabian goggles. That is correct. He gets the car wash or he, you know, however you want to put it. The Roman helmet. What are you put in a cup of tea? The tea bag. I mean, it's mostly called a tea bag, but let's not forget the goggles or the helmet. I mean, there's plenty of terms to describe getting somebody's balls dragged across your face and ending up on a poster with that little NBA emblem.

Hundreds of thousands of white kids have that cat getting dunked on with that shiny little NBA sticker on the poster in their bedroom. It's amazing. And all he had to do is you said is fucking pivot. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I'm going to give you one of my good news, bad news ones here. Reggie Bush, the concrete circle or the concrete ring of death, as they called it in the article I was reading,

around the Edward Jones Dome Field in 2015. Oh, right. That circle of death, well, about 30 feet off the field. There was exposed concrete on the ground. Reggie, it cost him as MCL at the end of a play, but it also cost the Rams $12.5 million. And Reggie got the bag. At 30, he was playing in San Francisco. He had eight rushes for 28 yards at the time, and he ended up playing one more year in Buffalo.

He was making one-six in San Francisco at that point, and that's like, you know, top dollar on that track. He ends up with 12-5 on it. And had I known, I would have chased a few more plays out of bounds at the Everton's though. Last thing, he was probably the only guy to make that near that much money in St. Louis with less production in 2015 was me. I was I was I was I was I was hobbled that year. So I definitely made a lot of money in that building as well and didn't earn it.

On your guys list, college football, the Bush Bush game was on last night on NBC. He's like my top college football player ever. Yeah, he's probably top five for everybody unanimously, right? Like incredible, the stuff that guy did, man. I totally forgot about that, Chris. Yeah, so did I. I mean, it's so late in the... Brutal.

Yeah, yeah. And we are not laughing about an injury. I wouldn't even be bringing it up if he didn't make 12-5 on it. Good for him. He deserved it. I know I played there. I got some friends in St. Louis. Edward Jones Donne was home, but that was fucked up.

The concrete ring of death, as they called it. Reggie Bush, good news, bad news, MCL. Wow. My turn. I'm going to go John Claude Vandeveld. If you remember him. John Claude Vanneville, 99 British Open, has ample stroke lead. He's going into 18.

He hits the ball. The ball hits the wooden rail right before. the green where they have like the little gullies and goes backwards into the rough from the rough he hits it back into the water then he hits it over the green he loses like an eight shot lead on the 18th it goes to a playoff and he loses that john claude vanneville he would have set a record for putting at one of the hardest courses carnusti in the world he would have set a record that would still be living today and uh he hit the wooden race he hit the wooden race on 18 with his second shot and the guy never came back.

Did he King Cup it basically? No, he never had, he hit him. Give me another ball. That's like that's one of the best sports. By the way, I love Tinkup. You do. Yeah, good or bad movie. You know more about.

Great movie. Great movie. Wasn't my guy's name John Van de Vald, not Jean-Claude Van de Vandeveld? Oh, did I say, I just had Van de Vanderville. Did I say Jean-Claude? Yeah, but he also did karate. He also did karate. Bloodsport.

No. Yeah, Vandenbell. Sorry. Sorry about that, Makin. I'm glad you're here. That was a compliment to Jean Vandabelle was adding the claw. I'm sure he wishes he had a clawed in his name. Make.

I'll go bad break for the association with the fans cup of Coke in the year 2004 landing directly on Ron Arte's Chest. Unbelievable precision. It was Ron Artes, fouls, Ben Wallace, not even that hard, but Ben Wallace takes offense. I think the pistons were down 15 at the time. And then Ron, not yet MetaWorld Pierce. Meta World Van Dam. And goes and lies on the scores table.

And if the fan misses him with the cup, the malice in the palace doesn't. happen. No doubt. You're so right. Widely regarded as the worst night in NBA history. I mean, if the guy misses, our test doesn't know. He doesn't go into the stands. He was like each row with that fucking Dr. Pepper.

Exactly. I'm saying, and it was a big gulp. Like, that was the big boy. Yeah, it's hard to throw that thing. You can't just sling a 60-ounce cola. Like the top, you know, for it to, I mean, it's just amazing. It was a miracle of physics. if you want to look at it that way.

But that was really bad luck for the league. You're right. And change we're on our test's career forever. Yeah. And if it's not full of something, I mean, it's not getting there. Yeah, so I had the perfect amount in it to travel. You can't have too much. You can't have too little.

It's a great point. I've never thought about it that way. So far, maybe the best pull of the bad breaks segment here. I'm going to go kickers in one here. These are the two kicker situation. We obviously, Scott and Orwood's one, but that's not bad luck. You just missed it. Blair Walsh and the double doink, Cody Parky, okay?

And I'm going to tell you why it's bad luck for both of them. Obviously, Blair Walsh, the laces were out, Finkel, it was sub-zero temperatures. It was sunny, but somehow like minus 20 at that game. It was so cold I was at my annual spot to drink and watch the playoffs, because at this point I was still on a perennial loser. I could feel the chill on the beach. And watching him, after going three for three there and missing a 27-yarder, I just knew his life was ruined.

And people can act like, hey, it's just sports and that whole thing. You think Scott Norwood doesn't think about that thing every day of his life, every day. That's why sports are risky, though. I mean, yeah, you can get the glory, but the flip side of it is not, you don't just walk away with your check. And Blair Walsh was never the same. In 2012, he was an all-pro. He hit a lot of good kicks.

He had records for the most 50-plus yarders in the season, that sort of thing. His career was pretty soon over after that miss against Seattle. And then ironically, Seattle had him the next year, if you remember, and they cut him. So, yeah, it probably felt like kicking a brick barefoot. You know, the laces were out. Sherman's screaming off the edge, so he's got to hurry up. But, you know, he missed the kick. I thought it was a little bit bad luck in Cody Parky.

I was there. And here was the thing about the Cody Parky thing. We never should have won that game, okay? No doubt. We never should have won that game. When Tribisky, I drilled him so hard and thought he was dead and then heard the crowd go crazy. They completed a long ball into our territory, and then we knew it was pretty much over. It was over.

We go out to, you know, on field goal block. I hate field goal block. I'm thinking I'm probably retiring after this play. which I was actually a week early on that. But I remember lining up and some big ass dude on the Bears is like, hey, it's all good, Haas. Think about it this way.

You're going to be on a beach next week. And I said to myself, why do people do that? He was trying to be nice. It was like a respectful thing. It was like, hey, buddy, you don't, you know, like don't beat yourself up over this. At least you'll be on the beach.

I think he also was insinuating that they probably had no shot to make a real run. And he had to probably stay in half. another week. But I just remember by the time Cody Parky left the stadium, I probably still didn't know that it was tipped. And I know some people are saying, yeah, it wasn't tipped. He had to hit the ball right. It was incredibly unlucky. Trayvon Hester tipped it, but he tipped it just enough to change the trajectory, but not enough that people on TV saw. And you know once something is in your head, it's there forever. And Bears fans had decided that he was the wrong kind of goat in perpetuity.

by the time he left the stadium. One thing, going back to the kicker. When you said kickers, you know what I thought you were going to say? Bill Gramatica. Gramatica. He's on my list. Oh, he is? Okay.

I saw the ACL thing and then I thought. He's on my list. He's on my list. But yeah, Cody and Blair Walsh, man. Those are two in my time in the league that you just felt for him because they missed kicks, but there were factors. Okay. My next one is pretty simple.

Immaculate reception. Like, are you kidding me with that bounce? That's just, I mean, that's a Super Bowl for the Raiders. That's a Super Bowl. And I think a lot of people watching NFL film shit, they're not even paying attention to who's on the other end of it. If you weren't a kid then watching those games. And it's funny, I had jotted down the Raiders in general because of the tuck rules.

I mean, you lose two games that way. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's, oh, yeah, that's, it's, they, they are the NFL, because I have another team that I'll get to in another league, but I just, Macular reception is absolutely incredible. Thank God the Raiders have championships. Yeah, exactly. You could soften it up, but like that's how close they were to another one. Yep. And you know how hard they are to get.

Yeah. Yeah. So, just a quick one. 1990, I reckon this is a bad break for the Georgia Tech Yellowjack. It's in addition to the Missouri Tigers. But Colorado gets five downs to beat Missouri in 1990. They clock it on fourth down. Referees lose track of what down it is.

Colorado gets the fifth, wins the game 33, 31. Colorado goes on to share the national title with Georgia Tech. Colorado was the AP National Champ, Georgia Tech, the Coaches Poll National Champ. And that is just nutty to think about. We're 30 years removed. And now, obviously, nothing like that could ever happen, though I do have the 2015 NFC championship game on my list, which is a little bit different, it being a judgment call. But just having the officials, having a number of folks in the stadium lose track of what down it is,

when we only need to get to four, one, two, three, It's not rocket science and it to have so many ramifications, including a national title for Bill McCartney and the boys. Pretty crazy. Hey, Megan, that one stung. No pun intended. Georgia Tech. Nice. Yeah.

Who's were number one that year for about three years? Oh, love it. Sean Moore and Herman Moore. Fuck them. Yeah, I mean, fuck the yellow jackets. They beat us and we would have had a title or at least a share of it. Probably, right, mate? We fell apart after that loss.

But, yeah, Scott says that dick doesn't go in. We might have one. That's all the school intro turf there, too, my way. Oh, yeah. Scott Stadium would not look like it does today, not like a pristine lawn. It looked like a minefield for ACLs and Achilles and Bersitis. Holy shit.

Could you even play? I mean, you played on the old ones. Oregon still had it because they had a different color every five yards, bro. Washington had it. God, it was awful. It was brutal to think about it. It's the one thing that makes me,

you know, like I do think football players are better today than back in the day, but the things they were able to do to their body, and I think I'm convinced it's because they didn't know any better. They weren't genetically superior from a toughness standpoint. They just didn't know any better. Like, this is the field you play football on.

It just is what it is. You have camp. You hit twice three times a day. for six weeks. Like, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. It's just different. Yeah, that's a whole other podcast, AstroTurf. That's a great app.

You could do a whole pot on AstroTurf. No doubt. I'm going to go a little bit yikes here. Clint Mallorchuk, okay? You know that one there, Steve? Clint Mallorchuk was the Sabres goalie that got sliced in the neck. I mean, he almost died on, you know, the Blues were visiting Buffalo.

I think what year was. This is back in maybe the 70. And he gets sliced by a skate, needs 300 stitches, loses a liter and a half of blood. 11 fans fainted. I don't know how they kept count of this shit, which is ridiculous to me. This is my favorite part of reading about this thing is that they were like, they literally had a tally like, oh, did you faint? Did you faint? Two heart attacks.

He had somebody, an equipment manager, call his mother to say, I love you. He thought he was going to die. Here was the good luck part of this whole thing. if you can believe it. There was a Vietnam vet and combat medic on the Sabres training staff. He pinched his artery with his hand, closed until the doctor showed up,

saved his life. Clint was never the same as a player. He went through a lot with alcoholism, PTSD. His career kind of struggled because of it. I think he's good now. He ended up coaching and that sort of thing. But God, that's bad luck. I mean, it eventually cost him his career

and his mental health. Yeah, that's, that's a whole other level. Yeah. I'm going to go Fred Brown. You know who Fred Brown is? No. See, and a lot of people still don't, because if you watch the Jordan Dock last week,

when they showed the 82 title game, Georgetown and North Carolina, they made it act like North Carolina won on Jordan's shot, and that was the last second shot. Georgetown got the ball. Georgetown went down the court, and Georgetown had the ball in the hands of Fred Brown. Brown called James Worthy.

James Worthy doesn't play for Georgetown. James Worthy plays for North Carolina. Therefore, Worthy dribbles it out. He gets fouled. There's a lot of prongs to this story. Sorry, I should have said that. Worthy gets fouled. Carolina is giving one and a half.

The shot that Jordan made put them up one, all right? Now Worthy, there's no way. Georgetown should have just took the last shot and that was the game. That's how it was back then. Now North Carolina has the ball. Worthy goes to the line. Misses both shots. Bach expires.

Carolina still doesn't cover with Worthy at the line. But Fred Brown threw the ball to James Worthy. Look it up. It's brutal. Georgetown has a chance to win. Was he on a bench or something? Was he out of bounds? Running behind.

He was trailing the play and he turned around and he just threw it to him. It's awful. It's like to know you have a chance to win a national championship. And that happens. You know what's funny? You mentioned that about the last dance and we're all watching it is there's a lot of shots that you remember being the pent ultimate shot in a game and they weren't. There were other shots, big shots at the end game, the Cleveland game.

You know, Elo wasn't the only big shot in that game. You mentioned that as well. It's just funny to go back because all you see is highlights if you didn't see in real time. And if you lived it, you remember all those shots leading up. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to add to that because that starts my trend. I wrote Patrick Ewing down his life because that started it. That's his first chance.

He's a freshman there. The next year they lose to Memphis and NCAA tournament. The next year he wins a title against Akeem in Seattle. And then he plays Villanova for another national championship. Villanova shoots 80% from the field. He loses that. He goes to the NBA, and then he has to play against Michael Jordan. Believe me, I'm a Knicks fan, dude.

Poor guy. I just. He was just in the, there was one. guy that kept him from winning a championship. If Michael Jordan is not born, you know, I think the Knicks have at least one. And then when you'll see it, this, or I think you saw

an episode one. And now Ewing, nice guy that he is, the warrior that he was, goes on the last dance to talk about Jordan. What's he wearing? He's wearing his Georgetown shirt. Who sponsors Georgetown? Jumpman. He's got Georgetown

and jump man out of shirt. And the guy's brutal. It's just full circle. It's awful. I feel so bad. The layup, the layup, you know, the whole thing. And he was just a force. I mean, he was amazing.

And a great guy. A great guy. Unbelievable. Chris, you mentioned Jim Kelly. I'm going to bring up Thurman Thomas. Look, he only missed a few snaps. But we've all had the nightmare where we're rolling into the test and we didn't study. or XYZ we have a job to do and we haven't prepared.

The guy can't find his helmet as the Super Bowl is beginning. Worst feeling ever. Throne ends up with 13 yards on 10 carries for the ball game after eventually locating his helmet. Skins went up 24-0-1-37-24 in Super Bowl 26. just unconscionable to think that you can't locate the most important piece of equipment before one of the biggest games of your life. Let me do a couple baseball.

I mean, okay, you mentioned, let's do knees real quick for me. Okay, we got Derek Rose, okay, there's a knee situation. Is the rookie of the year? He's probably the biggest athlete what might have been in basketball history, in my opinion, and Len Bias, of course, we talk about that. But in my generation of being a basketball fan, Derek Rose, healthy changes the trajectory of basketball the last 10, 15 years. Rookie of the year MVP hurts himself in the last seconds of a Sixers game,

and then 18 months later does it again. What might have been, the ACLs that you mentioned, I have the ACL trio in football here, Gramatica, Tulloch, and Lamar Houston, all hurt themselves. Same thing, celebrating, leaving the ground, and we've all done it. So it's funny when football players and athletes are like, yeah, you shouldn't celebrate. that that's why it's like motherfucker i've seen people do crazy shit and not get hurt it's just terrible luck grammatic after he makes a kick tolick i think was a sack houston was a sack and houston by the way was a really good player in oakland he was never the same after that injury

uh so the acl stuff bad for d rose bad for those three yeah that i mean luck luck as bad as it gets with those yeah um you said baseball you mentioned baseball and i'm just like a lot of stuff baseball is is pretty rough because you know somebody's hitting a home run you know somebody's making a play you know it's a physical thing but but now we're all this chapman giving up a home run and a walk off to al-tube is pretty unlucky because he knew what was the guy was so because he had sensors on him so i put eraldus chapman and kershaw and kershaw Yeah. With the rep that Kershaw has,

he was costing a win in the World Series, I think 17. So that's on my list. I didn't think I was going to have baseball, and I just thought about, I'm like, wait, what's happened recently in baseball? And I was trying to go backwards, like with bonds and all that, and I'm like, I don't even have to go.

The last game that was played. Oh, yeah, anybody who played the Astros, or anybody who lost a home run title, and we could look back at that to somebody who was jamming needles in their ass and that pimple. all over them. Yeah. How about Armando Gala Raga, which is probably worse for Jim Joyce,

who lost the guy, his perfect game. That'll always stick with me. College hoops. How about the Dayton Flyers in the year 2020? I mean, I just, I just remember, obviously, we're dealing with something very serious, but you're Dayton and you're 29 and two, and you got Obie Toppin.

and here comes a pandemic. A pandemic? To cancel the NCAA tournament. I mean, that's a bad break. Yeah, and you're dating. You're Dayton. Like, you live in Ohio. No offense to Ohio, but you're a Dayton flyers fan.

Like, this is heaven. You think this is it. And, you know, we hope that, you know, unfortunately, there probably will be another major illness that will sweep the globe at some point in the next hundred years, there will not be another OB-top in Dayton, Ohio. No. Which sucks for them.

Yeah. Okay, so baseball, let me break off a two-piece for you involving baseball and Mother Nature because I have this thing categorized. We got Java Chamberlain and the midges. Java Chamberlain and the fucking insects. And as a guy that would bathe in Deit, if they told me it was going to kill me, I'll do it every summer evening. He was getting crushed in 2007, ALDS, New York up one in the seventh,

Jabba out of the bullpen. I think he was replacing Petit. They're in Cleveland. And I didn't even know that there were bugs in Cleveland like that. Bottom of the eighth, it just hits the fan. They lose the lead. And Derek Jeter said he wanted to come to the mound, but he was afraid because of how many flies there were there.

What are they called midges? Midges. I didn't know they were called midges. I looked up Jabba Chamberlain today because I was like, didn't he get attacked by flies? Yeah, midges. Randy Johnson's bird. That bird, there's only been one bird that I know of that ever got hit by a pitch,

and he happened to get hit by the big unit, one of the hardest throwing dudes that was basically chucking the ball from halfway home. And it's funny, because some people are like, oh, a pretty unlucky bird. He got hit by Randy Johnson. Yeah, he's unlucky, I guess. But it probably made it more painless. It was probably over quicker.

the fucking bird disintegrated, just like that. If he got hit by a slider, does he limp off and die in the dugout? There was nothing left from the bird. I also think a 95-mile-powered fastball would have killed him. And fun fact here, PETA tried to bring legal actions, Randy Johnson, in the most unsurprising thing ever. Also, that was the year they won the World Series. This was in the spring.

They won it in 2001. In the fall, maybe it was a good omen. I'm not sure. It had to be a fastball, too. It was a dove. Stay away from the field. Yeah, I got one on the way out. It's a game because I think a lot played into it.

There's obviously one of my favorite sports movie was made about it. But the 1980 Russia hockey team, like that team was loaded. You saw him just disintegrate after the late goal in the second period. You know, he doesn't know when to pull the goalie. Like, it's just the fall off a clip as fast as you could. But the rush, like, there's no way that they should have lost that game. And they did. Thank God.

Do you have a way in on Buckner before you leave? Because Buckner's on my list. And I think both of us were not even born when that happened. No, no, we were one year old. I was one year old. Makin was just. Here's, I will give you something on Bucking. Because I'm a Mets fan.

I'm a loser Mets fan. I will say this, because I always thought about it. And I was younger. I was nine when it happened. So, I mean, I was in my, you know, growing up like crazy days. Bill Buckner ended his career with more hits than Joe DiMaggio. You could look that up. Like, and yes, for that moment, it's just, it's brutal.

He shouldn't have been in the game. They subbed him out. McNamara subbed him out late in games. You know, as you see guys do now for defense, he was still in the game. McNamara's taken the blame for that. There's a lot that I went into that thing. But, yeah, for what it turns. out to be the longevity of it.

You know, and then they brought them back, you know, and they won a couple titles. But, yeah, no, that's a great call. Buckner. He was all. We were going to do this today. I'm like, how am I going to do baseball? Like, baseball is just like the physical, like, as mental as the game is,

when unfortunate moments, you know, it's not really luck. It's a guy doing something, you know? But no, that's two great calls by you. Well, Buckner was bad, but I also think when I look back at the Buckner thing and you can't blame me. I don't know what that'll happen leading up to it. Again, you mentioned being a kid. They're off 5-3, and the Mets manager, if you're watching,

because I watched the whole sequence on YouTube, is getting the entire time for fucking up the Bunt situation, the sacrifice-bunt situation. So the socks are up 5-3. They pull Clemens, which is, you know, over a blister, which is weird. And then Mookie Wilson fouled like five balls off with two strikes. five, six balls.

And the wild pitch was the tying run that was on the catcher. So it was the last turn to fuck the game up. And there was another game. It was game six. Yes, another game. And they were winning in the game. Yes.

So unfair. Buckner, I hate that. Rest in peace. He died this year, I think. That had to haunt him forever. It was tough. Again, it's the tradeoff of playing sports. So, yeah.

It was great. We'll continue this segment without you. We know you got Daddy Duty. Yeah, we got a, we got, a big Zoom dance class coming on here. So I'm losing the road. Make good. Anybody you guys need me, you know I'm here.

You're the man. Show them how it's done, buddy. Yeah. All right, Mike, what you got next, man? Manteo and investigative journalism, I guess. It was Deadspin that looked into this Lanay Kikua death. And I don't know if he's grateful that Deadspin uncovered. the fact that he was catfished.

I'm guessing not. I'm guessing this was a net negative for Manti Tao. I think we forgot about it. Is he still in the league? Well, there you go. We don't know that. And yet we know that he had a fake girlfriend who died and her death was also fake. Man, that was one of, dude, and I have a related story.

but had that happened in 2020. Oh. Ugly. Would have got ugly. Man Tai Teo is currently, he was re-signed December 3rd, 2019 by the Saints. He's still in it. And I'm happy for him because that was a fucked up situation. When I was 12 or 13, I was on vacation.

And me and a friend met two girls. And we made out on the beach. And- Are you and the two girls? Being the two girls. So we had this like beach double date, right? Whatever making out is a 13 year old entails. And we became AOL friends.

Shortly thereafter, one of the 13 year olds alerted my friend to tell me that she was, my date was run over by an 18 wheeler and never contact her again. And she's not understanding what the situation was. And I wasn't even trying to contact this girl. She just really must have been put off by my beach side etiquette. Or she was really run over by an 18-wheeler. And if so, God rest her soul, 32 years later, or, you know, 22 years later. But, yeah.

I mean, were there any more details? Was she in a vehicle run over by an 18-wheeler? Was she on the side of a road? It just sounds awful specific if you're going to be, you know, I know you got to talk to next of Ken, but why are you contacting the fling, the one-night fling the 13-year-old from the beach? Griege slinger 13. Yeah, me, yeah. And then, listen, I was also Tofer Kid 13. That's right.

You know, that might have been in the Tofer Kid era. It might have been the Greetslinger era. I'm not sure. but listen, I thought it was awfully specific to go with the 18 wheeler. It was like, no, she got run over by a Peterbilt on 44 at Mile Marker 18. Like, it just sounded fishy. The reason I'm able to joke about this now is clearly we were being like reverse Mantei-A. Yeah.

Well, in the event that you weren't, best wishes to her family and may she rest in peace. I hope I hope I was being lied to I do I don't know how to handle that situation so you mentioned mantai teo I want to hit two unfair errors okay uh two well okay so you mentioned mantai teo uh I've got trey junkin you're a giants fan oh my gosh jenken 2003 giants they're in the playoffs they're the wild card team they're playing the uh the west champs I don't know if it was the NFC West back then or they were, yeah, because they've always been the NFC West. They were one of the few teams to,

because the old NFC West, Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco. So they were, whether they're holdovers at this point or not, it doesn't matter. They won the West. They are down, the Niners are, they find themselves down big time against the Giants, 38, 14. The Giants blow that lead, and the game ends with the Giants down 39, 38, and attempting a 41-yard field goal. Trey Junkin is the fourth snapper brought in before the game

because everybody else was hurt somehow. I don't know how snappers were getting hurt that year. And he fucks up the snap. Okay. Now, if you say Trey Junkin and you were an NFL fan back then, let alone a Giants fan, you know, the first thing comes to mind is he choked and blew the snap. He had 250 NFL games and he had probably five bad snaps.

San Francisco went on to get crushed by the bucks the next week. I don't think that the Giants were there for long, but if we learn anything about the Giants, wild card doesn't mean shit. They can run the table. It doesn't matter. I just thought it was a bit unfair. There was a lot that happened in that game that led to that situation.

And it was a 41-yarder. It wasn't a chip shot. Trey Junkin had a long career. It sucks that. That is all he's remembered for. Great call. You're totally right. And it was his only game ever with the New York Giants.

He had retired. His career started an 18. This game was in 2002. One game with the Giants. Yeah, you don't even feel bad. You do feel bad. You don't even feel it's not anger. You feel terrible for the guy.

Maybe not in the immediate aftermath. But it is a Buckner-like situation. It's bad. It's on a very small scale, a Buckner-like situation. And then I, you know, it's funny. you mentioned him coming out of retirement. Anytime a football player thinks about coming out of retirement, you should think also about the worst case scenario.

Because if you end up on a Super Bowl stage and drop a pass or jump off sides with five seconds to go and blow the whole thing, you're going to wish your ass was on that couch. So you should always think about Trey Junkin. Think about Buckner. Think about some of these players that that's what they ended up known for. It sucks. Who do you got next?

I'll mention Leon Lett. We think about him getting caught by Don Beebe in that Super Bowl while he starts to celebrate at about the 10-yard line. They won that game by a million. There was also that game in the snow against the dolphins where I think, I don't have every detail. But the Cowboys block a field goal, I want to say. we'll look at it another time, do a fact check. But all he has to do is not touch it, essentially. And he falls on the ball, does not secure it, dolphins pick it up.

I think that resulted in an L. What people remember, that fumble recovery and his showboating and getting caught by Bibi was not. But I think maybe synonymous is too strong a word, but you think boneheaded plays, I think Leon Lett, I don't think Leon Lett's Super Bowl champ. Because when I was looking at Leon Lett, I wasn't like, oh, well, they won that.

I had forgotten that they won that game by however many they did. I think when I think Leon Lett, I think big athletic human, really good football player, Dallas Cowboy, caught by Don Beebe, but he got off good on that. This is another bad luck, good luck situation. He's lucky he was on the Cowboys. Imagine he's on another team. that costs them the Super Bowl, it would be unbelievable.

Now, if you'll remember back, and this is off the dome here, the Utah kid that for maybe eight, nine years ago, he dropped the ball at the goal line in a big night game, a wide receiver there. There's been a couple situations like that. Last year we had a real scare in the playoffs, Bill's, Texans, my man, D'Andre Carter, wide receiver formerly of the Philadelphia,

the Eagles, ended up down in Houston, I believe it was, caught the ball in the end zone, didn't signal touchback, dropped the ball. Luckily, they were beat. But initially, I thought that he was going to be public enemy number one in Houston. So, yeah, I mean, it can go any which way there. I'm looking at Steve's list that he sent me before, and I barely looked. By the way, I did not steal my first pick, who was it, Chris Weber? He doesn't have Chris Weber written here.

He does have John Claude Van DeVeld written. But he also has Wally Pitt, Immaculate Reception, Fred Brown, Georgetown. He hit that Scott Norwood, Warren Moon, which is a good one. Warren Moon had to deal with a lot of bullshit. Patrick Ewing, his life, 91 UNLV. And he also has 2014 Kentucky. Those are the ones we didn't get to. So completing Steve's list.

I'm going to go with Steve Bartman. Bartman for me, I feel for the guy. Listen, he's a fan. Fans get excited. How many people have reached in the field of play, you know, throughout the decades to catch a ball? Bad time to do it. It was fan interference, first off, probably should have been called that way. Three-nothing lead evaporated.

They're five outs away from going to the big one. And, you know, I just wonder how tough. his life has been since then. You talk about athletes that have made big mistakes. He's right up there with Buckner as far as things that probably haunt him forever. And I wonder how much this World Series championship they were able to win the last five years has changed his life because now does he feel vindicated. I mean, this is a guy that Jeb Bush offered asylum. Like, he was going to go in the witness protection program. And would there be a worse place to mess up than in Chicago like that.

I mean, Buffalo maybe, a fan blowing, you know, blowing the game somehow or rear-ending Josh Allen on the way to the, to the AFC championship,

you know, hurting his back and you lose to the Patriots in the AFC championship and this is your year. Like, I don't know what could be worse than what happened to Steve Bartman. I want to know where the headphones are now,

where the Walkman is, or whatever he had, the radio he had. I want to know where he watched the World Series when they won it. Like, it's just intriguing to me. Yeah, there have been documentaries done on the guy, and it is not surprising. Pointing in this direction.

Not surprising to learn that his life was hell in the aftermath and hopefully not as much anymore. But yeah, I think that World Series does him a world of good, just as the few that Buckner was able to witness for the socks. Philly fans might not take too kindly to something. No, Philly fans wouldn't, but we got that monkey off our back in Philly, didn't we? Yeah, but yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm just thinking of cities and situations where you could end up with a Bartman

and how rough it would be. Chicago, really great fans. I wonder how forgiving they'd be if Bartman was at Wrigley Field now for a first pitch. It's time to do that though. You just got to do it. Bygones be bygones, you're champions. Forgive the guy. Voice of Salu won't appreciate it, and the guys on the team won't appreciate it.

It's kind of like, you know, or UVA guys that lose to UMBC, you know, sure, they're excited for the program the next year, but they still feel terrible because they lost the UMBC. If Bartman ever came back, I think the fans might forgive, but maybe the players on the same. team wouldn't. Yeah, I think that's fair. And I do think it's fair. But death threats and all that stuff, it just goes to show. It's just we never have fucked up society. Blazers, Bowie, or Bowie, however you say his name, Odin, you know, although there's way more, you know, sting for the guy that was drafted ahead of Michael Jordan. And by Clyde Drexler's admission on Greenlight Pod, see how we did that. He was a great player.

I mean, it was injuries that slowed him down. He was going to be a really solid player for a long time in the league. And they needed a big man. That's what they thought. They thought they were playing chess. They needed a big man for matchups. And instead of drafting Michael Jordan, you end up with Sam. And it never materialized.

And obviously, the rest is history. Odin, though, not as bad to get drafted before Durant. And obviously some of that was, I don't know if it takes the sting off because people nowadays know that Greg Oden, it was all about the injuries. You know, had he been healthy? You never know. But I don't think people realize that grew up these days that, you know, there were injuries as a factor in the early 80s for Sam. Yeah, no doubt. I have, I'll stick with hoop and say one that never was.

And that's Zion Williamson's shoe exploding. It was nearly a seismic news and turned out not to be such. It was a story that never was. Nike, you think you maybe have done something to a guy's career. He was wearing Kyrie's, I believe. You think he might be hurt. Fortunately, he wasn't. Now he's contending for a playoff.

spot with the New Orleans Pelicans, as C. Long reported earlier that the NBA could soon. I like that. I like that. Also contending for rookie of the year. I mean, you almost forget that he's in the running for all these things right now, but things are on pause. We'll see. I want to finish with a Red Sox one again. This is, again, for Red Sox fans, it might have been bittersweet because you ended up with your first championship. But No, Mark, Garcia-Para, fixture in Boston shipped out of town that summer before college started for us because I'll always remember freshman year partying you and me because you're the socks fans or you're the socks fan I saw you know I think we saw that game at the Biltmore and I remember the pandemonium

that was was campus or grounds as people say here you're the big socks fan what do you remember about the no more trade? Well, not much. I remember Nomar being beloved. I remember Nomar's ritual at bat before every single pitch. I remember Nomar being the savior, the wonder cand out of Georgia Tech who was going to deliver the chip. And yeah, bad timing. I also remember Nomar, everybody thinking that it was Ramon backwards. wasn't it was his dad's five best friends the first letter of their names n o m a r no mar what yeah yeah dude first off who would think that it would be ramone backwards like that was something people do and then second off i've never heard an acronym like that turned into a name especially like the dad must have really loved his friends like it's the best friend of all time yeah um let's see if we were to do men's lunch guys my kids my kids

kids names would be C-T-M-K. Yeah, there's no vowels in there. You got lucky with vowled names. Yeah, you need some vows. Nomar's dad had him. He was there eight years. You shipped off the, if you read about it, they say bad chemistry and it improved with Cabrera. And those guys were just about 500 looking up at the Yankees.

So, you know, that's something for me that was a blur. you know, as a casual baseball fan. I would put Jordan Matthews in this conversation on a much lower scale. You probably don't know why. Jordan Matthews was on three Super Bowl rosters. Two of them, he didn't finish the year. Philly, New England. He missed the Philly year.

Okay, so he's been kind of a cult little hero in Philly. Like, people really respect Jordan. He's a great teammate. been a good player. He's dealt with a lot of injuries, but he was in Philly, didn't make it to the Super Bowl, in New England,

didn't make it to the Super Bowl. Then I saw him this year in San Francisco or in actually in Miami for the Super Bowl, and he was playing for the Niners. And I was just thinking to myself, like, man, if anybody deserves to get this ring, it's Jordan Matthews, and lo and behold, the Kansas City Chiefs win.

So O in three, as far as, getting an opportunity to win a Super Bowl and it materializing. Hey, Chris, from Wikipedia, Nomar Garcia, his middle name comes from his father, Ramon.

Nomar's Ramon fell backwards. No. So I might need to undergo some testing. Where did you get the fucking acronym thing? Bro, I swear to God that that was like, that's been gospel in my head since I was aware of Nomar in the mid-90s. I cannot wait to name,

if there's a third kid at some point down the line, I'm going to do an acronym with friends names. Maybe I've lost my mind officially, because I had that as fact in my head pictures, and I was wrong. You know what? You know what would be funny, and if we edited out that revelation

and we let all of the listeners at Greenlight Pod walk around saying, You know what I've just learned today? Right. Or it's going to be, hey, you idiot. His dad's name is Ramon and it's Ramon backwards. Oh, fuck. Either way, I'm cool.

Well, no marketing traded was bad luck. So that was bad luck. That's a lot of bad luck. And we could do this probably for five pods. I love doing this. I hate the bad luck part of it. We should do a good luck pod next week. I like it.

There you go. Content is planned. Good breaks. because there's probably countless guys who, you know, spent a long time on a team left and three agency. Obviously, I would say D. Ford is up there. I didn't even think about that. D. Ford jumping off sides in that game against the Patriots, a lot of people thinking costing them, you know, a title. And then the very next year heading to San Francisco and losing that game to his old team.

Yep. No doubt. Bad luck. Bad luck, good player, bad luck. If there's one thing I got to look back on my career and be thankful for is that none of those situations ever happened to me. There was a load of bad luck, as we talked about earlier, but I never ended up. And that's a huge fear in a player's mind. I mean, you don't think about it often, but when you take the field in a big situation, it does cross your mind.

What if? Like, it could happen to you any time. And it's happened on smaller scales in everybody's career, but to happen on a big stage, It's tough. We talked about a lot of guys with bad luck here, and we're certainly not reveling in their bad luck. But something to do on a rainy day in the pandemic. I thought this was fun. It was.

Great idea by you. Great idea to do a more positive spin next week. Let's do it. Okay. So as we mentioned, it is the weekend. Everybody enjoy their weekend. Emergency podcast, Nightcap. You know, we did that pod you just listened to Thursday evening.

and it is Thursday about 10.10 p.m. And yeah, I know we put it in like Friday morning tense, but we do that so people aren't confused. But it's essentially Friday. It's almost Friday. So don't worry about it. Right now, it is 10.10. I just saw the most epic video I've ever seen. I'm blown away. Tom Brady to Tampa did not demand that I get in the lab and talk about it. The biggest moments of my short podcasting career have not moved me to hit record, but Steve fucking Forbes of Wake Forest basketball had me sprinting to my phone to hit record. This is a voice memo. I'm not even using Zoom.

I can't wait to narrate this piece of art that I just saw for you guys. So if you haven't seen it, pause the podcast and look up the Steve Forbes Wake Forest introduction video. He is the new head coach in Winston-Salem, and this video, by the time you listen to this podcast, will be one of the most popular videos on the internet. You will always remember where you were when you saw the Steve Forbes to Wake Forest video. What in the name of Tim Duncan's baggy-ass jeans did I just see? Frame by frame. No exaggeration. I probably watched the video 32 times, which is a lot. It's a 48-second video. My wife, wife is asleep upstairs and I'm sure she's wondering who's yelling down here.

That would be Steve fucking Forbes. He is yelling through the phone at me, at my children, at every high school basketball player in the Commonwealth of Virginia, that there is a new player in town in the ACC. And it is Steve fucking Forbes. And you better consider Steve Forbes as you're looking at the Dukes and the Virginias and the UNCs. Don't forget about weight for us. Because they just made the most mind-bending 48 seconds of footage

I have ever seen in my adult life, certainly in the pandemic. And we've had Tiger King. We've had a lot of shit. We've had fucking press conferences every day. This is the, this is it. This is the video. This is not a coach and presumably an athletic director. These are real men from the show East Founded Down.

And they crawled out of the TV like the girl from the ring and fucking made it a video. And it was posted on a major university's athletic site and Twitter account. I mean, the video is like if a wrestling promo had sex with a car dealership commercial and then like in walked a Marx and Harrison commercial and they had a threesome, that's the baby right there. That's the baby. Anyways, where do we start?

It's 48 seconds long. If you've already watched it, you don't feel like it's that funny. You should probably stop now. But I'm pretty sure you get it if you've seen it. Last chance to watch it. Spoilers, incoming. The thing opens with a wide shot of a Wake Forest. Very nice, very clean, but very industry standard basketball gym practice facility.

And in the middle of the practice facility is a man breaking. his neck to look up into the rafters in a gray suit and P.P. And there's dramatic stock music. And this guy, he's staring up into those rafters like he's in the Sistine Chapel. They moved to a rear hero shot of sorts and probably 10 feet behind this character, this mysterious figure. And he's off center on the half court line. But it is an intense hero shot. Stock music continues again, think eastbound and down. Three point. 0.8 seconds, there's a guy that I don't think they realized made it into the video, also wearing a suit standing in the hallway, making a hand gesture,

and then the frame changes. It's supposed to be just Steve fucking Forbes. There's somebody else in the video. Next thing you know, in walks, the athletic director, saunter's in with that we just did it face, walks up to a safe distance. Not sure if they actually shot this together, Steve and the athletic. director, but they're presumably 10, 15 feet away, maintaining safe distance, as they should. And he's also wearing PPE, but his PPE, again, Steve's PPE is not wake, but it's just plain white

PPE generic. The athletic director's PPE has some weird, some like coral pattern that he cut off of like a William Sonoma pillow to make PPE. And he's got two questions. It's like he's got good news. The good news is they just cleared the deal. We've got a deal. Steve fucking Forbes in the building. He's hyped with good reason. I'm sure Steve Forbes is a good coach. I know I'm making this podcast and the video is cracking me up.

I'm sure Steve Forbes is a good coach. But the AD's hype. Understandably, it's Steve fucking Forbes. He's got two questions for him. One, will players graduate? Absolutely. And gestures up to the banners. Are we going to get some more of these?

Steve fucking Forbes is like, yeah, that's what we came here to do. Now, those banners, this gray Poupon looking ass, dusty-ass banners. A little ACC smack talk here. They're looking lonely. With a video like this, I think they're on to something, okay? There might be another banner up there with the, I believe 96 was the last one. I saw the last ACC championship for them. Then he says, good answers.

And Steve Forbes is sitting there like, yeah, I know they were. But the funny thing to me is like, what if they weren't good answers? Was he going to like turn around and nix the deal? Get the double finger point as he introduces Steve Forbes to camera. And Steve is hyped. You don't see the athletic director again. I don't know where he is as the video finishes. But Steve's face begins to turn a little bit red.

He takes the P.P.E. off. Takes one step at the camera. Spikes it. gronk spikes that motherfucker oh yeah let me not forget that the athletic director tossed him a whistle that was the changing of the guard and then steve fucking forbes decides that it's time to scream into the cameraman's face let me discard my p p p p p e and scream down your throat real quick and that's what we're going to do to the acc how did that video get made like there was a script which i want to see that got written out and handed to the ad and

handed to steve fucking forbes and they were all like looking at it they're like yeah it's yep spikes p p p p.e screams into camera mm-hmm and then and then they take the script and then they're like just setting up the shot and they shoot it and then they all look at it including probably like a big room of people looked at it. And they were like, yeah, this is fucking good, dude. And then they take it to like the social media team. And the social media team, of course, is like, yeah, this is fire right here. I'm going to hit tweet on this bad boy.

And it's going to go viral by Friday morning and not the type of attention you want. Or maybe they do want this attention. Maybe I am getting played here by Steve fucking Forbes. I wouldn't even be mad. I would not be mad. I was getting played by Steve Forbes because there is a new player in town in the ACC and he's not fucking around. One of the best videos I have ever seen. Hats off.