Green Light with Chris Long - Ep. 36 - Best Breaks in Sports History with Stanford Steve & Macon. Favorite 36s. Hail Marys.

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

0:31 - Chris and Macon catch up and talk Last Dance. 10:20 - Chris and Macon’s favorite 36s. 17:45 - Chris, Steve and Macon talk “Best Breaks in Sports History”. 50:50 - Hail Marys. Green Light... with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Has that orange juice or watered down orange juice? It's a margarita, bitch. Wow. Ah. A hump day pod, Wednesday, midweek, if you're keeping track of the days. Greenlight pod with my friend from across town hold up in his quarantine bunker, making Gunner. Making how we doing? Chris, I'm doing well.
Starting point is 00:00:50 I hope you had a lovely Cinco. de Mayo hits a little different in quarantine. No Bueno is all awesome. No Bueno. Well said. Yeah. Yesterday when I got that news around 3 p.m.
Starting point is 00:01:06 I was shocked. Of what day it was? Yeah, that it was Cinco de Mayo. Yeah. Yeah. In a way, I was shocked it was May. Yeah, it was just April. And now it's May.
Starting point is 00:01:19 One day it'll be June. And before you know it, before you know it. Has this gone slower or faster than you thought it would? The days are actually fairly short for me. And then I'm going to say even the weeks are short. The last dance is getting up on me faster than I thought every Sunday evening. The months are slow. I'm going short days, short weeks, really long months.
Starting point is 00:01:49 you know, I read an article or by read an article, I mean, I skimmed it at light speed because I had to get back to the timeline as I read most articles. It said that our memories are going to compartmentalize this period seeming quicker than it was because there's less markers for memory and you're not going to be able to go out and do things that your brain's going to be like, okay, that was a, you know, that's a marker of time. So it's going to blur together. And I already feel like it has. I don't even know. Like what are we almost two months at this thing? Yeah, just about two months. I mean, I think it was highlighted in this weekend's last dance when you see Kobe and realizing that he passed this year.
Starting point is 00:02:35 I mean, three months ago. Three months ago was all it was. And it's amazing what being holed up in your home for two months can do to your entire calibration. of time. I'm fucked up. I'm real fucked up. I think that's what calibration means coming from you is that Macon's fucked up.
Starting point is 00:02:58 I'm fucked up. But we push on, we podcast on. I want to talk quickly about Last Dance. You know, I did a little something on it over the weekend, but I hadn't had a chance to talk to you about it. What did you take away from this episode? I think like everybody else, John Michael Wozniak, the security guard who gave MJ,
Starting point is 00:03:18 the shrug. I think that was the highlight. I think it's a pretty good setup to what is coming next, which will be his break from hoops. And, you know, I think enough people have said, no, he was not suspended. I bet he was being, it was being investigated and it was sort of a middle finger to the league. Like, I'm your, I'm your star attraction. Look, I don't need. you I completely felt vicariously his spotlight and how it was just completely draining I mean I've seen it with you it's a smaller scale but in Seaville I mean you have a rough night now and again where you know there's a rough ones can't get any time to yourself and you're very polite and you give everybody your time but if that's every day man
Starting point is 00:04:18 If you're essentially quarantined hotel room to basketball arena to hotel room to practice facility, I mean, that's a tough life. I have a question for you. What do you think about the chronology of the dock? I think it's challenging. I think it demands that you pay attention, which is a good thing. I'm paying attention anyways because I know I have to talk about it on the pod, and it's quite frankly one of the most entertaining things that I've seen all year and not
Starting point is 00:04:46 saying a lot. But yeah, I will say that at times it can be a little bit confusing, especially the closer that we get to the two storylines converging. Yeah, I'm not going to say that I'm, you know, this brain up here is operating at an elite clip or anything like that. I'm not confused. I follow it by and I think it's a brilliant way to tell the story. I think going in order would be a less entertaining product. I agree with you. I like it, but I can see how somebody who's watching for me to be able to differentiate between the two storylines, I use contextual clues.
Starting point is 00:05:32 You know, early on, the footage in the 80s and the footage in 98 are so different in look. I mean, and Jordan looks different. He looks like two different people. He ends up looking like three different people. when you see him now. But like I can see how somebody who didn't pay attention to that stuff in real time or isn't a basketball fan if they're watching this can be a little bit confused.
Starting point is 00:05:56 I've seen a few people say the chronology is a bit confusing. But I think it's remarkably well done. The footage, as we talked about offline, this was the only thing we mentioned was the magic MJ stuff. I mean, this stuff was from the last episode, I mean, if that hadn't seen the light of day yet, that's got to be some of the most amazing footage in sports history relative to its importance. I mean, these are two giants of the game going at each other. I mean, was that dream team practice footage on earth for this
Starting point is 00:06:26 or had it been out? I had only before, I had seen clips before, but I mean, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. The audio on that stuff, to have the audio of that trash talk exchange, to have all that. The one thing I think it's lacking for me, me is longer conversations with with Jordan in private one-on-one that you have like the
Starting point is 00:06:52 Ahmad Rashad conversation going to the stadium you know before the net series that they closed that episode out with I'd like to see more you know uninterrupted Jordan monologues most of what you see are quick back and force Jordan cracking a joke somebody joking on Jordan him not liking the joke as we as we talked about it's it's there's not a lot of of depth to what Jordan talks about yet, you know, in that footage that's been on earth. Now, he's been great in present day, but to know Jordan back then, I still feel like all this has done is strengthen my understanding that he was just a win-it-all-cost machine. Agreed. And you can certainly understand his not wanting any sort of media presence inside his home,
Starting point is 00:07:43 inside his personal life. And I think what we're seeing is what there was for the most part. I mean, he was always on. He always had to be on. It was these short little back and forth one-liner type conversations. There wasn't a lot of in-depth going on. I thought of you when I saw the just because you're the exact opposite, but when he's essentially complaining about being drained by the spot.
Starting point is 00:08:13 spotlight and then he's driving through Chicago and his bright red range with two tray has a distant plate and the gate dude the gate was horrendous I was I said I turned to my wife uh my lovely wife Meg and I said could you imagine having that gate I mean it would be ironic and extra eastbound and downish if I had like 91 on my gate uh because what's the big deal. I guess if anybody's going to have a gate with their number on it and 10 foot, 10 foot installments, it would be Jordan, but I still just, it's just so extreme and maybe not befitting of the 2020 humility, you know, or understated wealth that some athletes like to have. Because there are some, I mean, that's kind of become more of the way is guys to be a little
Starting point is 00:09:03 bit more understated about their, their stardom. That's absurd, a 23 on the gate, a vanity plate, I mean, that range rover was, I don't know if that red was available, that was a custom color or not, but it was Chicago Bowles Red, pulling into the United Center, the United Center, extremely iconic. But I will say, you look at his decor in his house, the freestanding TV on the bathroom counter, you know, the living room in the 90s, there was no how you can have all the money in the world, and you could be living better than Michael Jordan was from an interior decoration standpoint in the 90s. No doubt. That Highland Parkhouse, by the way, is still on the market. It's been on the market for many a year at this point. Wow. I've been dabbling in another market. I think you started at $29 million and they're down to $14 million.
Starting point is 00:09:57 That'll happen. That'll happen. That's why you list high, Meg. That's why you price to sell, Chris, so you're not on for five years. So 14.855 and those numbers won't. plus four plus eight plus five plus five that up to 23. So he's always got, he's always thinking about that stuff. Jeez, the walking brand. So let's get to the 36es real quick before we get Stanford Steve on because this is the 36 episode of Greenlight Pod proper.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I guess last week you went first, yeah? Yeah. I think I'll go first. From my favorite basketball team this year in the 2020 season, Asterix, lost a bet. The Boston Celtics. Not a big man, but he can guard anybody. This is a smart pick.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Marcus Smart. I love Marcus Smart. I will say that objectively, honestly, haven't always liked teams he's been on, but love Marcus Smart. Listen, the first time you know, you find out about him other than being this guy that's supposedly pretty good out in the Big 12
Starting point is 00:11:07 and I didn't watch a lot of Big 12 basketball in my free time, you know, back in 2014, I believe it was. He got drafted. So in the early teens of this millennium, I did not watch a lot of Big 12 basketball, but I did see Marcus Smart shove a guy. That's where I learned about him. If you remember him shoving that fan who allegedly tossed a racial slur his way, surprise, surprise. I believe that was in, was it in Waco? Maybe so. I know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I don't remember the location. Yeah, I think it was Waco, Waco, Utah, jazz fans, Baylor fans, I don't know. There's always something with these players and fans sitting close to the court. Listen, this was before we got a little bit nuanced when it came to our takes concerning player, fan interactions on the court.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Like, fans were just the good, guys and players were bad guys, especially college athletes. How dare the entitled college basketball player going to school for free, arrogant asshole, problem guy, push a fan. Well, it turned out that Marcus Smart probably was right in doing so. Also that day, he had found out right before the game, his mom had been rushed to the hospital. So he wasn't in a great frame of mind, admittedly. but he also turned out to be a model citizen in the pros. He has been a guy that teammates rave about playing with and a guy that, you know, as I mentioned,
Starting point is 00:12:41 guard anybody in the court, hustle player, plays the game like a college basketball player, diving after every loose ball, plays with emotion. He's kind of that spark plug. He's like the battery. And I've always thought that Marcus Smart would be a great candidate for crossover players that if you had to teach him football, I'm drafting Marcus Smart pretty high.
Starting point is 00:13:02 That could be a segment in and of itself. Obviously, LeBron would probably be a day one pick. But Marcus Smart would be up there. I don't know where we put him. He's aggressive. He's 220. He's 6'3. Maybe outside backer.
Starting point is 00:13:15 I really think he's got the tenacity to pull that off. But Marcus Smart. I mean, this year, the Cs were like 40 and 20 going into the COVID break, which is hopefully just a break. We'll see what happens. There were guys like Dwayne Wade campaigning for him to be a defensive player a year. Usually give it to big guys historically, but like let's get back to the Jordans and the Patens. Marcus Smart is deserving of that praise.
Starting point is 00:13:43 So somebody who deserves a lot more credit than he gets. And as a football player, I like the way he plays ball. Kind of the heart and soul of this era of Celtics teams. I mean, he might want to accrue a couple more years, but, Glue guy probably does him a disservice. He's a real good player. Marcus Smart went to Marcus High School in Flower Mound, Texas. Yeah, Flower Mound.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah, I read that in the bio. Are you ready for my 36? I am. This one takes a turn. My pick is Gaylord Perry, born in the year 1938, 3.11 ERA over a 22-year career. First player to win the Cy Young in each league and known for throwing spitballs.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Despite it being illegal, he wasn't tossed from a game for it until his penultimate 21st season in the majors. Born in Williamston, North Carolina, named after a close friend of his fathers who died while having his teeth pulled. Are you sure it wasn't named after somebody
Starting point is 00:14:55 whose name was spelled backwards. Who was that last week we said in the 35s? Nomar. No more Garcia-Para. Yeah, I'm going to move on. Gaylord studied at Campbell University in his home state. They're the fighting camels. And Gaylord is now the name of the camel.
Starting point is 00:15:18 The mascot is named after Gaylord Perry there at Campbell University. And camel spit, dude. Nice. Reputation throughout his career for doctoring baseballs inspected on the mound by umpires monitored closely by opposing teams. He approached Vaseline about endorsing their product. Rebuffed allegedly with a one-line postcard reading, We Soothe Baby's Backsides, Not Baseballs. A former manager famously quipped, he should be in the Hall of Fame with a tube of KY jelly attached to his plaque. He also threw a puff ball where he would load up on rosin so that a puff of white smoke would release while he threw his pitches. Catchers would often get the ball out of the mitt and just shake their heads. Opposing batters would get tossed after complaining about the guy. Eventually elected to the Hall of Fame in 1991.
Starting point is 00:16:18 That's the other part. He was really good. Now, Chris, this is the part where I'm doing my research. for the pod here and we're about five minutes before go time and I read the following sentence and immediately regret my choice based on what I heard in a recent documentary. Gaylord Perry supported and campaign campaign for Jesse Helms. Oh no.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Along with Lou Holtz. And contemplated a bid for Congress himself in 1986. Yes, the same Jesse Helms featured in last Sundays, the last dance. So. Holy shit, dude. Making bomb. We are,
Starting point is 00:16:59 perhaps Mr. Perry has some regrets. Perhaps he doesn't. None of us are perfect. Guy throws more than 3,500 Ks in his illustrious career. Once I got to that personal nugget, I had some regrets about learning more about this. No, but this is a great opportunity to remind anybody with a Gaylord Perry jersey that you should probably just throw in the trash.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Okay, that's good. You got everything on your 36? Yeah, yes. More than I wanted. Okay, that was good. Those are good 36es. And let's get Steve on the horn. We're going to talk about good breaks in sports.
Starting point is 00:17:40 We did bad breaks last week. Steve. Steve. You got to say Steve twice when you say Steve like that. I had to follow him. Beef, cheese. Cheese. Bees. Welcome
Starting point is 00:17:53 to the show, two weeks in a row. This is a fun friend we got going here. It's that time of year, guys. It's that time of year. It is that time of year. I don't know what time of year it is. This is the time of year where you get desperate and you continue to ask your friends back on your show because there is nothing to talk about.
Starting point is 00:18:09 And we got to figure some vintage stuff out to talk about. So we got more good breaks. We had bad breaks last week. We decided to balance it with some positivity. I don't know why we led with the negativity, but it was a lot of fun. I know we've got a lot of them.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Steve's got what looks like some orange juice in the frame here on Zoom. Margarita. It is. Golden margarita. Who wants to start today? The order we, I mean, we bounced around last week, but I think we went me making Steve. Why don't we snake draft this thing and lead off with Steve?
Starting point is 00:18:44 We're, again, doing best breaks, you know, best luck. That can be luck. It can be, you know, a little bit of skill and love. luck, you know, the parameters are not that specific. We just want to talk about some sports and there's nothing to talk about. So, Steve, you want to lead it off? Yeah, I'm going to go Spurs win the lottery in 97. Tim Duncan, obviously, everything was played right by the Celtics to attain that first pick. The percentages were there and they didn't get it. Petino was the coach. Ended up, you know, ruining his pro career. You know, he ended up winning some titles, obviously,
Starting point is 00:19:21 and got some other stuff. But what the Spurs did with Tim Duncan with that pick is pretty darn legendary. And he's easily the most overlooked superstar that in my lifetime. I think he doesn't get enough credit for what he did, the titles he won, because he didn't win back to back, stuff like that. And it's just BS. But his career is as impressive as there is in an NBA career in my lifetime. Who is he really?
Starting point is 00:19:51 Like, who's the real Tim Duncan? Because he's one of these guys that I just, it's kind of shrouded and mystery for me. I mean, his image has been pretty squeaky clean. And, you know, he's not, he doesn't give himself up a lot to the media or to, you know, the public. I think he's in his own class. I think he's that, he was that good of a player. He goes about the things, you know, the way he wanted to the whole time. People forget, he came back to college.
Starting point is 00:20:19 The Wake Forest. Like that's, like, that just gets, you know, thrown away. Like, if you ever done that, he just, like, I just feel like, but teammates love him. Like, they're his favorite teammate, biggest prankster. There was retirement speech. It was pretty good. Pop lit him up. But, like, it's like the ultimate wall.
Starting point is 00:20:40 I think he was, like, one of the first to build, but still be a good guy to his teammates. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, he's able to maintain that. but not be an asshole, which seems cool. And then you mentioned him going back to school. It's hard enough going back to school if you were pro-athlete, you know, from a conversation standpoint, from visibility standpoint.
Starting point is 00:21:00 But when you're 6'10 and you got a duck to get in some of the doors. But by the way, what's his name? Forbes, Steve fucking Forbes, the hire of the week, making me of the hire last week and sent me that brilliant video. Did you see the videos, Steve? I did not. You haven't seen the Steve Forbes video? Oh.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Okay, we're going to pause the podcast. I'm going to send you the video real quick, and then we're going to react to it. That doesn't get you fired up for the demon deacons. I don't know what will. I mean, that's the house that Duncan built. The keys are handed over. You think that's on brand for Duncan? What do you think Duncan thought when he saw that video for the first time?
Starting point is 00:21:44 I could see him denying wanting to see that. He doesn't want to see that. Yeah, well, I didn't realize they hadn't won the ACC since 1996. Those rafters, he pointed out, those dusty-ass rafters, I mean, they haven't had a banner up there in some time. I didn't realize that. Yeah, no, it's been pretty dry down there. Great campus, though.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Great camp. I took it on an official down there. Really? Yeah. You almost ended up in the ACC, huh? Jim Caldwell was the head coach. Well, you almost ended up in the ACC, but if it wasn't for Algy Crumpler, right?
Starting point is 00:22:19 Correct. Damn, not be crumper. Argument for another podcast. Making what you got, man. So we had, we kicked it off. And by the way, didn't Elliot and David Robinson have to get hurt for that to happen for them to have that need to want to go do it or was that unanimous? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Robinson. There was something around and they they padded the stats with some bad players, I think, at the end when they realized what was. what was possible. Shout out to my good friend, Corey Alexander, who played 80 games that season for the 20 and 62, San Antonio Spurs. Wow. Wow. Also, Roger Mason's team as well, UVA, a couple of UVA studs there made us to Spurs.
Starting point is 00:23:06 They know how to pick them. Make, who you got now? I got Will, scoring 100. Here's the backdrop. playoff-bound Philly Warriors were facing the lowly Knicks who had finished with the league's second worst record and were missing Phil Jordan, their starting center. The typical story was that he was suffering from the flu,
Starting point is 00:23:29 but his teammates knew better. Said Darrell Emoff, the 610 center who took Jordan's spot, quote, the inside scoop was that he was hungover and classic. Amoff played 20 minutes before getting foul trouble. He was replaced by Cleveland Buckner, a 6-9 rookie from Jackson State, and a host of other undersized defenders to contend with Wilt. That's the backdrop. The big break here is Wilt's freaking free-throw shooting. He was a 51% free-throw shooter, my friends, and went 28 of 32. Wow. 88%. And there are stories of this Philly
Starting point is 00:24:13 Philly team being up big, late, and fouling on every possession to get the ball back to get willed up to triple digits. See long, just before getting on with you here, I learned for the first time of a conspiracy theory regarding that game. It didn't happen. From you. Like some people really think it didn't happen. What's the fucking, what's the point of that conspiracy theory? I know what happened in Hershey and like probably very few people saw it. I was shocked at the conspiracy theory.
Starting point is 00:24:48 I was also shocked at the fact that Bill, that Willett Chamberlain, I guess I'm not shocked that Will would go out before the night before the game, but he was out until 630 in the morning 170 miles away. So like he wasn't just out the night before, but his big ass got into a little car presumably and drove hammered 170 miles. I mean, like, how did you get? Get around if you were Will Chamberlain at 6.30 in the morning. And then a 51% free throw shooter shoots 28 of 32 from the line.
Starting point is 00:25:19 It's unbelievable. What year was that again? March 2nd, 1962. March 2nd. Okay, so that's Waylon's birthday. Nice. I can tell Waylon about his birthday. Your conspiracy theory, is it that it didn't happen or people like the game happened,
Starting point is 00:25:34 but he just didn't score a hunt? I don't know what the conspiracy theory was, but in the last couple weeks, there's been a lot of basketball historians on Twitter, and I've seen some conspiracy theories, and there was a theory that, A, it didn't happen, or B, to your point, it didn't happen from a scoring standpoint. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:25:56 I'm perfectly fine accepting that we, you know, I don't know if I'm fine accepting that we landed on the moon, but I'm perfectly fine accepting things as inconsequential as Walt Chamberlain, scoring 100 points on a bunch of fucking used car salesmen. in the 60s like no big deal uh i'm i'm cool with it i believe it uh it happened i want to go from hangover to hangover because that's the theme of this and by the way i love the fact that i can tell wayland like on your birthday in the morning will chamberlain was drunk but then at night will chamberlain scored 100 points and he shot 28 of 32 anything is possible as kevin garnett said
Starting point is 00:26:35 170 miles yeah you had to drive 170 miles Can you imagine that Uber ride? I mean, in a car that's going 70 miles an hour, it's mind-up. Oh, Jesus. It's crazy. And the fact that he probably had to drive himself is absurd. I wonder what kind of nap he got that day. Yeah, okay, so have you heard of Max McGee?
Starting point is 00:27:00 Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if Makes heard of Max McGee. This might be a generational thing. Max McGee, the Writers for the Packers. Okay, the first Super Bowl, right? I believe it was the first Super Bowl. It was, Super Bowl one.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah, he was an 11-year pro, okay? Good player, but at this stage in his career, he'd caught like three balls on the season, right? So they're getting ready to play the Chiefs, and they're in L.A. They'd been in Santa Barbara for like a week. He moves into L.A. As teams do, they move into L.A. to get closer to the game, like, a day or two out. So now they're in the thick of it. He had made friends with these flight attendants.
Starting point is 00:27:39 He lived with Paul Horning in Green Bay, and evidently they were like the single guys. So what being single in Green Bay entails, I'm not sure. Like I actually can't even imagine like how that's like a badge of honor, like, hey, you know how it is in Green Bay in the 60s? I have no idea with no Tinder, no social media, just phone books. So these guys were, these guys were ready for the Super Bowl. He thought that he was going to be a backup. The guy ahead of him, Dowler. got hurt the third play at a bad shoulder.
Starting point is 00:28:11 What he didn't know, though, was that the night before Max McGee was out until 6.30 in the morning with these flight attendants and was completely drunk by the time the morning was up. He was still feeling it from the night before. He got putting a game on a third play. In somebody else's helmet, because he couldn't find his helmet, caught a 37-yard touchdown. I think it was the first one, right?
Starting point is 00:28:34 Unbelievable. And then he went on to catch a bunch of balls for like, 140 yards. And I'm just like, Lombardi raised the fines that week from what I read. He was like, we're not getting any trouble. $5,000 fine. Max McGee didn't give a shit, broke curfew. And Super Bowl won.
Starting point is 00:28:53 He's a hero hungover. Unbelievable. He retired a year later. He was supposed to retire after that game. The next year he caught like three balls. And the next year he caught like a 28-yard touchdown in that game as well. So he was like a clutch hero. and he was hungover for Super Bowl 1.
Starting point is 00:29:09 How lucky do you have to be, not just to get the balls that he got that day, but also to go out hungover and make plays? Pretty hungover? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Well, you know what? He didn't know the importance of the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:29:23 He just thought maybe it was like a low bowl game. It was the first Super Bowl. They were winning NFL championships, right? Yeah, you know what? You're right. I mean, for him it might have been more of just another game. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:35 But the thought of thinking, like, Like, dude, you're not even second string. Like, you're not even third, fourth string. Like, you're next up, and you're going to go out and get blasted with the flight attendants. It's just unbelievable. And knowing the guy in front of him had a bad shoulder, he went out and balled anyways. I don't know if you could ever play hungover, Steve, but I couldn't. Maybe spring ball, but I'd ever played hungover.
Starting point is 00:29:57 I didn't never played to the level that you never did, that you did. And I never even thought about, like, drinking the night before a game. Never. No way. Never crossed my mind. I'm going to go with the Sullivan, the Sullivan fiasco in the Jackson 5 in Boston. So the whole story about how Robert Kraft got ownership over the Patriots is crazy. I'm sure, Steve, you've heard this.
Starting point is 00:30:24 I don't know Make if you're familiar, but I just learned about it this week, coincidentally. And, you know, this dude, Billy Sullivan, I guess his name wasn't his kids, were the owners of all the, It's funny because one of the Sullivan kids actually got in a fist fight with the Raiders. Do you remember that game? And Matt Mellon punched one of the kids? Was that part of the ownership group that he punched in the face? Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah, I think Matt Mellon punched one of the Sullivan kids in the face, and my dad was getting into it with one of the owners. But that was all I knew about them until this point. When Robert Kraft got the team, it was something like he had to own. You had to own the parking lot, the concessions. and the stadium and the team. He couldn't get the team at first. He bought the property around the stadium.
Starting point is 00:31:15 So Sullivan had the stadium. But as long as Sullivan had the stadium, it was like a stronghold. Now, in 1984, you know, right after the strike, so they were hurting for money, Jackson 5 was going on this reunion tour. It was the 10-year anniversary of their last tour. And they had never been on tour together
Starting point is 00:31:35 since Michael made it. It had just been thriller. So Sullivan and the family go into business with Don King to front this tour. Don King takes them to cleaners. They lose $22 million. And eventually, this is the worst part. The loan, the collateral on the loan for the licensing was in the name of the stadium. So they lose the money.
Starting point is 00:31:59 The stadium, you know, they go bankrupt. They have to give the stadium up to Robert Kraft. and if it's not for that Jackson 5 tour, I don't think the Patriots go on the run they do. In fact, in the late 80s, I believe it was, there was a guy from St. Louis that was trying to buy the team, early 90s, move it to St. Louis. But because of Robert Kraft's stranglehold that he got through the Sullivan blunder,
Starting point is 00:32:23 they couldn't move the team, and he had a 10-year lease on the thing, and eventually he got the team and the Patriots went on this dynastic run. So Jackson 5 are responsible for the Patriots dynasty. somebody did a research this week yeah yeah i never heard that story robert crowd he made his money in like paper goods right yeah he had like a copying type thing going on like michael scott shit i think oh i thought it was like napkins and paper cups maybe it was maybe maybe that part of the research is like a lot of paper cups
Starting point is 00:32:56 yeah so the patriots in jackson five and don king inextricably link all right all right My good break is going to be the Chicago Bulls landing Michael Jordan, which might feel a bit played at this moment in time. But let me tell you about Sam Bowie a little bit. Picked second overall by the Portland Trail Blazers, as we know. Sophomore year goes up for a dunk against Vandy, gets hurt. Doctors think it was due to shin splints pain felt before his junior year. X-rays revealed Bowie had a stress fracture. he was in a cast for 44 weeks.
Starting point is 00:33:36 After removing the cast, injury did not heal. Bowie had to have it surgically repaired with a bone graft. As his class graduated, Bowie applied for him was granted an NCAA medical redshirt to allow him another year. Bowie returned for the 83-84 season, having not played in two years. He played in all 34 Kentucky games and averaged 10 and a half points nine boards and a block and a half. And that team went to the final four,
Starting point is 00:34:07 lost to Georgetown. But fellas, we're told that, okay, Portland had Clyde, and they don't want to pair Jordan and Clyde. These days we would say, heck yeah, let's do it. Forget about need. Let's go for talent. But Bowie, when you dig down into it,
Starting point is 00:34:26 chronic injuries and not putting up numbers and yet goes second overall ahead of who turned out to be the greatest. And injuries turned out to be the thing that eventually hampered him from having probably a much better career, at least so it looked better now. I mean, we talked to Clyde Drexler on the show a couple weeks ago. And he was like, yeah, dude, he was a good player. it just was the injuries. And, you know, it always would have been Jordan got picked, you know, after Bowie.
Starting point is 00:35:01 But it would have lessened the blow had he been healthy. Guys, it happened to him again. They took Odin ahead of Durant. Yeah. No, I know. Like the Blazers as a franchise have been extremely unlucky, extremely unlucky. Steve, you're up. Yep, I'm off.
Starting point is 00:35:20 I'm going Jeffrey fucking mayor. Bought the ball. Yankees, Orioles. Tony Tarasco, wigging out, looked like a guy that I would not want to mess with. Started the whole Yankee ordeal in 96. I was in college out in the practice field. Messina was an Oriole at the time, so Jeffrey Hammond was playing for the Orioles. So everybody was all in on the Orioles out at the farm.
Starting point is 00:35:45 And I remember my trainer, Jimmy, coming out and saying, you're never going to freaking believe what happened. I'm like, what happened? Like the Orioles were winning. He's like, Yankees won. You're not going to believe it. Remember running off practice field, going to training table,
Starting point is 00:36:00 and just seeing the replay, like, you've got to be kidding me. Like, this is, this is, and it just started. It started everything. It was 18, 20 years since they won a World Series. Imagine what happens if they lose that series. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:36:14 What Steinbrenner does? Like, who knows? And the Orioles, like, going back, like the Orioles were the best team in the Major League Baseball. The year before was the strike. I want to say, 94-95, right around there. And like, just terrible.
Starting point is 00:36:28 But like the Yankees, Jeter, the whole nine, that whole thing, the evil empire starts with Jeffrey Mayer catching a ball. Nice hat, by the way. My Mets team. I'm a bad on. Poor losers. I go on again? Not last week when we talked about Buckner, though.
Starting point is 00:36:47 You got the Jeffrey Mayer thing. By the way, Mayor turned out to be a really good baseball player himself. He ended up with the hits leader at Wesleyan. Yeah, that's a kid kid. It's crazy. I mean, and he actually handled it pretty well. When you sent me over that kid's name, I was like, what's he doing these days?
Starting point is 00:37:10 And even in the aftermath, he seemed to handle it well, although he said that Kornheiser calling it, you know, the pinnacle of his life and everything's downhill from here, got hurt his feelings. But the guy seemed to be pretty well adjusted. All that goes to show you is, like, if you're going to Bartman or mayor, do it for your team. I mean, imagine. Yeah, that's close to Bartman.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I don't know. That's in its own level. Yeah, yeah. Well, why? Why? I mean, it was a, there was a whole other game to play for the Cubs and Marlins. Yeah. That department thing gets blown out of proportion.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Yeah, no, that's what I mean. I thought you were saying the Bartman thing was worse. I mean, I think. Oh, no, no, mayor's in it. Mayer's way up. The mayor thing was more acceptable maybe because it was a kid, 12-year-old kid. Understood. And, you know, you're catching the ball to help your team win, so you're not going to get
Starting point is 00:38:08 mobbed on the way out. Let's talk about something other than the Yankees. I was in college park. I was producing our radio broadcast. You talk about doing something for your team. I did not either. We were up late in college park, and this is a coach Bennett team. so not too long ago,
Starting point is 00:38:26 but I uncrossed my legs on press row and completely cut the power to all of press row, game clock, shock clock, everything. And everybody's looking around like, what on earth is going on? And I look under and I'm like, oh, my God, I've done it. And Coach Bennett is not pleased, thinking as if somebody at Maryland has pulled the plug.
Starting point is 00:38:50 I've never told the story. Maybe I shouldn't have. Nice. I act oblivious. And then somebody comes running over, plugs it back in. Fortunately, it doesn't point at me. Everything goes back to normal.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Who's win the game? But I was beat red for about five minutes. Is there a video of this? No. I'm digging this one up. No. Yes, there is. You probably, I mean, like,
Starting point is 00:39:16 that's a huge fear. It's an irrational fear, because you're not going to sit courtside a lot or be pressed row a lot. but ruining a basketball game. It's hard to do. Spilling a big gulp or, you know, tripping or, you know, spilling your popcorn. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:34 It's just a big irrational fear. It's up there with driving off from the gas station with the – Great job, make. It's not irrational for me because I've done it. But, yeah, I mean, that's harrowing, make. Yeah. Yeah, it's me now. This is going to be a curveball for you guys.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Whoa. I could always hit a curveball because I was late on fastballs. Yeah, I couldn't hit. I was the opposite. I couldn't hit a curveball. Kauai Leonard in general, okay? You get drafted by the Spurs or you get drafted by the Pacers and the Spurs rescue you. I mean, so just in the beginning, and that's luck in and of itself, you escape there, you know, relatively unscathed. I mean, at first, there were some people with some character assassinations on him over that. But anytime you force your way out of an organization that's thought to be all class, brandial winners, you're going to take the heat.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Now, the reason he didn't take the heat is because he went and won, and it made him look smart. You know, getting out when he got out, I don't know that San Antonio would have been as good as they had in the past, and he gets to win in Toronto and the run. I mean, the game seven, the, the, drop in the bucket from the corner, hit the rim probably six times, the quietest I've ever heard in arena. It was one of the coolest shots of all time, but it was undoubtedly lucky. I mean, you could argue that he put touch on it, this, that, and the third. That was a lucky
Starting point is 00:41:05 shot. And then to make that run, you know, you need the Warriors to be relatively a brand new team. I mean, walking wounded. I mean, they don't even look the same in that series. It felt like one of the biggest, biggest Asterix championships I've ever watched. And that might be unfair to the Raptors because injuries happen, but the way they happened for that Golden State team was just unbelievable. So I would say Kauai Leonard, he's been pretty damn lucky for all those reasons. 20, 25 years from now, shit, even 5, 10, whatever.
Starting point is 00:41:43 People are going to look at all-time champions and be like, what the hell happened when the Raptors won the, title, you know? Like, it's just going to be one of the things. It's ultimate one-hit wonder, because that's a sport where, you know, you go through the 80s, like we're watching the Jordan Last Dance thing, the Bulls on the 90s, Lakers Celtics to 80s, Pistons other two years, you know, Lakers, the early 2000s. It's a league where one-hit wonders do not happen a lot, and that one is going to stick out really a lot. Well, they sold out. I mean, they sold out to win that championship. They made the move
Starting point is 00:42:19 knowing Kauai could walk. And that's just what happens. But they won a championship. I mean... I know that it's a hockey country, but I could easily see a statue of Kauai being built outside. I could see a statue of Kauai being built to overshadow
Starting point is 00:42:37 for the fact that they cheered Kevin Durant's Achilles popping. Yeah. That was the moment because Canada always likes to play the holier than now and they turned out to be just like every American city when it came to class this moment in big arenas. So what happens?
Starting point is 00:42:55 What's up? You are. You're again. Oh, I am. Snake Draft. How many times am I going to ask who's up? I'm going to go Tony Manderich, okay? Tony Manderich is needle.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Now, bear with me here. The fact that Tony Manderich got on the juice, catapulted him to the top of the draft boards, and I'm forgetting the GM's name. Tom Bratz, he gets fired over that. Now, if they don't pick Mandurich, Brats doesn't get fired, Ron Wolfe doesn't get hired. The rest is history.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Brett Far, Reggie White. Ron Wolf is linked to Green Bay forever and a big part of their championship heyday there in the 90s. That's, I mean, you must have been really bored with the researcher doing. Like, you're all... What it happened here was initially I'm thinking about drafts. And I'm thinking about Tony Mandurich taking steroids being good luck for the city of Detroit football.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Because without Barry Sanders, it's been a rough run for them. If it's not for Tony Mandurich, maybe Barry is in Green Bay. So not only is it luck that he falls to you, but it's also luck that it's your division, one of your division rivals that ends. up with the shitty player. And that shitty player gets the GM fired, and that leads to a big piece of the puzzle and a domino effect for Green Bay as a franchise. You know, because there was no guarantee
Starting point is 00:44:29 that they were going to get back on the horse. You know, the way we think about the Packers now, the Packers in the early 90s and whatnot, those championship years were long gone. I mean, this would have been a team. Think about the paradigm shift. It's thinking about the Packers as a team that won when our parents were kids.
Starting point is 00:44:47 but not now. I mean, these little dominoes affect that. No doubt about it. Lynn Dickey, starting that quarterback. Like, they were playing home games in Milwaukee.
Starting point is 00:45:00 They played like one or two home games a year in Milwaukee. Can you imagine not playing every home game at Lambo? Yeah. Yeah. And even, I mean, make for the uniform crowd here, they had that shoulder stripe in that era.
Starting point is 00:45:14 I mean, how do you fuck up, you know, perfection there with the Packers' iconic uniforms. They were even fucking that up. So not a good error for the Packers. And thanks to Tony Mandurich, it all changed. Nice. Make it.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Good luck, peace for balls around a challenge. Iron Bowl, 2013. Number one, Alabama is 11 and O going to Jerd and Hare. Auburn's number four and 10 and 1, and Alabama was 10-point favorite. which is surprising. Yeah. Steve, where were you on that? I'm trying to see.
Starting point is 00:45:55 2013. Who was the quarterbacks? McCarran, yeah. And for Auburn, Nick Mark. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. So Auburn rallies late to tide at 28 with 32 seconds left. Alabama moves it to the Auburn 38, at which point the clock runs out, seemingly sending the game to overtime.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Sabin challenges the timekeeping. And after a video review, one second was put back on the clock. They attempt a 57-yard field goal. Chris Davis for Auburn's lined up just in front of the goalposts. Catches it, takes it back to the house. It's kick six. Auburn wins the game. Knox Alabama, out of the running for national title.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Out of the running for an SEC title. Auburn goes on to beat Mazoo in the SEC title game, 59 to 42 and then they come up just short against SCC defense 34 31 in the national title game. But the kick six, I had forgotten, doesn't happen without a challenge by Sabin, which ends up backfiring in Auburn wins the game. And the week before that, what happened, the Hail Mary, Georgia. Yeah, yeah, no, it's go back and look at the same.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I mean, we forgot bad breaks, Sabin kicking. game at Alabama. I mean, how many more for national titles you want him to win? It all comes down to a kick. He never lost unranked teams. Only lose, you know, teams that are getting up for them to have the talent to beat him.
Starting point is 00:47:29 That's a good. That kick six. See, the years and I'm only good at years of, like, my college, like where I know even here, who's playing where, you know. I mean, I'm watching it every year, but when you throw the year in front, it's tough. That's what I remember where I was. That's a sports moment I remember where I was.
Starting point is 00:47:47 For sure. I mean, it's that iconic of a college football moment. Like, I don't know where it ranks, but it's unforgettable. It's so unforgettable that we all forgot that seemingly there was the Hail Mary the week before. So it's quite a bigot. That Alabama backfield with McCarron is T.J. Yeldin, Kenyon, Drake, and Derek Henry. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:48:11 Amari Cooper on the outside. Oh, my goodness. And then they, Alabama lost Oklahoma and the Sugar Bowl because they weren't motivated. You know how the SEC is? Yep. And they're not in the title game. Yeah, you know what, though? It didn't happen to Georgia last year, as an aside.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Georgia was the most motivated team I've ever seen to beat up on Baylor. Well, that's because the year before they lost Texas in the same exact spot. Oh, my God. The sounds that were coming off that fucking sideline from that coaching staff were guttural. I mean, like, they were just, like, passionate screams of just they wanted to just kill Baylor, dude. They wanted to kill him. Oh, yeah. I mean, all that happened because of the year before.
Starting point is 00:48:55 And they had a bunch of starters, too, so. I'm up. Man, I still got a bunch. You took the Kauai. All right, let's go. I got to go, Jimmy V. Lorenzo Charles catching Wittenberg's air ball. I mean, that's, if we were, if we were alive then, we were.
Starting point is 00:49:12 would have remembered where we watched that one. Let's just put it that way. Yeah. And that run is incredible. You know, that 30 for 30 with Valvano, that's, I mean, I know ACC people don't really like it because he beat every single team in that run, including Jordan. So it was, it's still just, it's the ultimate moment. And just to see that is incredible. because that's five salamma jamming, man.
Starting point is 00:49:44 That's an iconic team that gets another title if that doesn't happen. So Wittenberg, the air ball, you know, that wasn't even, he wasn't even supposed to get that shot. But Bono wanted them to run the ball down to 10 and low to take the shot. And the shot was ill-advised. It was early. It was almost like people forgot how bad the shot was, not just the fact that it was an airball, but ill-advised.
Starting point is 00:50:10 So yeah, incredibly lucky moment for them. National championship. And then my other is, I got to go hand to God, Argentina, quarterfinal, 86 World Cup against England. I mean, it's just, if you haven't seen the Maradona doc on HBO, go watch that. It's absolutely incredible. I'm not a soccer guy, but to be able to see what that guy's life was, as not being a soccer fan, but seeing a country that treats soccer players as icons, it's incredible.
Starting point is 00:50:47 But that play, obviously it was a handball and shouldn't have happened, but they end up going on to win a World Cup. And it's madness. Well, let's talk about Hail Marys in general. Skill or luck. Within the Hail Mary umbrella, I will just mention David Tyree, and he pins a ball against his helmet. and the Giants beat the Pats who had just trademarked 19 and 0 perfect season all over the place.
Starting point is 00:51:18 And Eli gets his first of two. What do we think, fellas? Good luck. They could be both. I mean, Aaron's got three. So there's something going on there. Aaron Rogers threw two in the playoffs, I believe, and then one in the regular season. I can remember.
Starting point is 00:51:37 So he has a few. So, I mean, it could be luck. It could be what part of the end zone you're throwing the ball if you believe that a thrower has enough to put the air on it to get it to the, you know, a certain corner or a side of the field. But, you know, some guys are just busting their ass to get the ball down there. And then it's usually for a defensive player, you know, I've heard this a million times. Knock it down. Don't try to catch the fucking ball. You know, I've heard that time and time again.
Starting point is 00:52:07 And there are countless instances in NFL games where you don't realize how close it was until a Hail Mary popped in the offense's hands. I mean, because of bad technique, usually by the jumper or somebody on defense. But I do think there's a lot of luck there. I mean, you kidding me? So it depends on the catch. Yeah, I mean, there's deflections involved. The thing is, Chris, I don't know about you, but practicing, like, I was part of the team. We practiced that play.
Starting point is 00:52:35 But we're never in pads. Right. You know. Right. He was late in the week. Yeah. So it's, I mean, one of those instances you're talking about is Gronkowski, the second, not the Tyree game, the second Giants went over to Patriots. Oh, he was so close.
Starting point is 00:52:53 He's right there. He's right there to win the Super Bowl if he catches it. But it's just a fact, I just asked you guys last week about it. And this week just is a good break. bad break is it luck is it not i'm there there is work that goes into it and there are quarterbacks especially nowadays that can put it wherever they want it and you've seen it rogers he got burned with one uh that was on the spanish last time with the bullshit fail-marry play um so it's it's i try to disregard them because there's there's so many of them right i don't i mean
Starting point is 00:53:31 fluidy obviously but i don't like what's the biggest stakes we've seen a Hail Mayor. Like, it feels like that'll be the one. You know, like an NFL playoff game one on one, I don't feel like I've seen that. Just the Aaron Rogers, Cardinals, and there was one other. Well, he threw at the end of the first half against the boat boys from the Giants. A couple years. He had the Cardinals, the Giants, and the Lions.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Yep. In the playoffs, he had the Giants before the half. And the Cardinals was, I believe, at the end of the game. Yeah. So that was the biggest one I had seen. That's funny because, like, we looked at the flutie play for the better part of 30 years. I couldn't tell you what that was for. Regular season game where nobody beat Miami.
Starting point is 00:54:22 That's what it was. It was the 80. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, I'm sure it was a big deal. But, you know, talk about the substance of a player, however you want to put it, exceeding, you know, what it meant in actuality, just due to the, fact that it's a Hail Mary. I mean, it could have been anything else. Everybody loves them. I could watch Hail Mary situations all day long. You know, my biggest pet peeve in football is guys getting... It all's rush enough. No, with guys getting tackled. Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Guys getting tackled with the ball in their hands in the final seconds when they're doing the hook and ladder thing. Just throw the fucking ball in the air. I can't stand that. Well, I could because it's an ultimate recipe for bad beats. Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, the Ohio state northwestern one haunts me to this day. Haunts me to this day. There was a play like that this year with Arizona and San Francisco off the top of my head as well. I'm going to go with the Seahawks. You made me think of it in general.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Seahawks, very lucky organization lately. And, you know, I know some people might say, okay, what about the Malcolm Butler play? That was their fucking fault. Okay, that was arrogance on the part of an offensive coordinator. You know, that was their fault. but to get down there, Jermaine Curse, also the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:55:39 you know, playing Peyton Manning. Now I think they'd have beat that Denver team wherever, but playing Peyton Manning outside in New York of all places.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Like, that's the worst place that you can play the best player. Also, the first play of the game's a bad snap. And it was over from then. I mean, when you do that, the first play of the game, the game's, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:58 going to be a hard one for you to get back into. And then the boss stick. onside kick you know that was huge and and what sucked that year is ultimately they won that game they were down 1913 on side kick at home against the Packers the Packers were very good too Packers New England felt like the collision course that year it would have been awesome we were denied of that it ended up being I believe Seattle they got two ball that's the mouth follow 208 24 to the to the Patriots but they were up 1913 with not a lot of time to go They kicked the ball. Bostick, who's a third string tight end.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Played a long time now. He's supposed to block somebody so Jordy Nelson get the ball. He fucks it up. Seahawks recover. Not to mention the bomb they needed to get down there and score to go up 2219. They tie the game. Packers do, but then they lose in overtime. The Seahawks are so fucking lucky.
Starting point is 00:56:56 I played in that division for eight years. They got every break. Why do we wait so long to bring that one else? That feels so close to the art. It feels real. Because for eight years, I used to sit there. I remember one night I was getting drunk in South Beach with my buddy Tom Sannie. Shout out to Tom Sannie.
Starting point is 00:57:14 And I was on my annual postseason trip because I never played in the postseason. So I was down there. And I'm like watching Seattle. We beat like twice that year. We beat the shit out of the Broncos. And I'm sitting in the room. And I couldn't even go out. I was so depressed.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Just hammering coronas, chasing, you know, chasing my shots of tequila. with Corona. And by the fourth quarter, it was just pity. It was pity. It was self-pity. Yeah, so I guess it's still my turn. We hit Seattle. We hit Wittenberg. Okay, I think everybody had Wittenberg. You know, a few of us had Derek. Maha Miracle, you can throw in there, obviously. But I want to hit, I want to hit you with one that was really, you know, not heralded as a lucky play that everybody would know about. But if you're a Philly fan, you would know, okay, our Super Bowl year, right before the half in the divisional round. Tori Smith, the catch that put us in field goal range, essentially, put us midfield
Starting point is 00:58:09 if you're able to get points. We're able to go up right before the half. In a one score game, we don't get that field goal the way that game was going. We don't win the game. Now, the way it got caught, okay, Nick Foles through the ball right at Keanu Neal's knee, ball pops right up in the air. It's windy. It's just like, it's a shit show out there.
Starting point is 00:58:28 Nobody can move the ball. It's the biggest gain of the day. It gave us momentum. it gave us points, popped right up in the air. Tori Smith caught the ball, advanced the midfield we score. If that doesn't happen, that run looks way different, and Philadelphia football looks way different. Don't bring that up.
Starting point is 00:58:44 They're already still mad about the draft, so we'll just pass on by. Macon's next. I think I've already hit my quota for mentioning the University of Virginia, but we know the UMBC loss. We know coming back late, very late to beat Purdue, Auburn and Texas Tech. But a little mini 6-0 run
Starting point is 00:59:06 might have saved a lot of lives in Seaville in the year 2019. Virginia's down 30 to 16 to Gardner Webb, a 1-16 matchup for the second year in a row. Hoos are down 14 in the first half. Kyle Guy hits a three. They cut it to six at the break. but if you go back-to-back seasons losing to a 16,
Starting point is 00:59:36 I don't know if a basketball program can survive such a thing. No, I think it's over. Yeah. Over. I think it's literally just over. Unbelievable. So a 60 run in basketball is my final selection. Very personal selection, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Yeah, indeed. My last one is I sent you guys the video of Hale Irwin, the shot on that's to win a tournament 18th hole 1984 Pebble Beach Pro Am. I mean it is a is hard. Pat Summerall on the call also, which makes the whole thing. Hard look left, hard hook left on 18 on Pebble.
Starting point is 01:00:16 You know the cliff is there and just hits a rock, spits out. If you watch the next shot, he hits the pin on that on the approach shot. Just, I mean, you want to talk about to get a golf win pretty good on that course? just failing over the grain too. Yeah. I mean, it was probably going to bounce right off.
Starting point is 01:00:34 I'm bouncing ahead it. Yep. Yep. Yeah, that was very lucky. And I'm sure with golf, there are plenty of them, but that was... What couples? The fact that it was two shots. Yep.
Starting point is 01:00:44 A new topic for future podcasts. Which one? Golf shots? Rank quarterbacks with one Super Bowl win. Ooh, very good. Unfortunately for Aaron, it looks like he's going to be in that category. for the rest of his career and beyond. Oh, that sucks.
Starting point is 01:01:05 The Brett Hall goal, okay, game seven, stars, he's in the crease. Okay, that's one. Is he? Is he? And I love Brett Hall. I fucking love him. You know, I used to drink with Brett Hall in St. Louis. I don't want to hear anymore because that's all you need to know is you did that.
Starting point is 01:01:23 At the Ritz, the cigar bar, we used to throw him back. And Brett is everything you want Brett Hall to be. as you can see at the parades. I had Cleo Lemon to Greg Camarillo. And it's not Camarillo, by the way. There's two L's I know. Stanford boy. Yeah, is he a Stanford guy?
Starting point is 01:01:41 Oh, yeah. So if you remember that play in 07, relatively inconsequential, but to not be 0 in 16, they're down 13 to 3 at the half to the Ravens. Their underdogs in that game, obviously, or 015. You know, at the, I think it was in overtime.
Starting point is 01:01:57 it was maybe their first drive, like an 80-yard connection to Camarillo for the wind so they don't go Owen 16. And to empty the clip here, Haskins and Burrow. I mean, you know, the Haskins situation that drove Burrow out of L.S. or out of Ohio State to LSU,
Starting point is 01:02:18 somebody should have told Colin Coward that he used to be at Ohio State. Did you ever see him interviewing Urban Meyer? Oh, yeah. He said, why do you know so much about that? this kid. Colin says he is research. Well,
Starting point is 01:02:32 Colin's better with the pronunciations, but he missed that one. Correct. Yeah, I think that would be up there for me as a wild card, Washington letting Brad Johnson walk for Brad Johnson. He could have been a red skin, you know, the football team,
Starting point is 01:02:50 sorry to say the name. But, you know, if we try, we go on streaks of months without mentioning it, but I blew it here. Brad Johnson might have never been on that Tampa Bay team, which was extremely talented and destined to be in that spot. That's not to take away any credit he should get for that run, but he was very lucky to be there.
Starting point is 01:03:12 Jeff George is who Washington opted for. Yes. Yes. Jeff fucking George. Yes, that's true. Jake, what else you got? You want to have to do the clip real quick? Sure.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Aaron Rogers falling to 24 for the pack. Willie had his site set on his hometown-ish 49ers at number one overall. Didn't happen. He falls. Actually, a pretty good draft when you look back on it. Names you know, a couple of you decked. But he goes to 24. Green Bay has one Super Bowl and counting because of it.
Starting point is 01:03:52 I think we liken it to the Colts and Manning and Luck. Luck, of course, retires early without that hardware. And now we wait and see what happens with trading up for a guy like Jordan Love, which will be fascinating. Countless cases of people plummeting and drafts in it working out, but this is a high-profile one that resulted in a Lombardi trophy. Absolutely, an absolute gift and a hard. thing to compare
Starting point is 01:04:24 what happened this year. I know a lot of people were like yeah, it could be the, you know, but as you pointed out, there was a big difference in the situations. I mean, Aaron Rogers was a guy who was supposed to be like a lottery pick right at that point.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, such a gift. I guess I'll close it out with this one guys on quarterbacks. This was one I was afraid to say. I'm not afraid to say it. I'll just fucking say it. The Patriots are lucky they have Tom Brady. There was no skill there.
Starting point is 01:04:56 I know there was a quarterback coach that pushed for him. But if they liked him so much, they would have picked him ahead of Adrian Clem, J.R. Redmond, Greg Randall, Dave Stichelsky, Jeff Marriott, and Antoine Harris. Antoine Harris. UVA, Antoine Harris? That just jumped out at me, but was he the six-round pick that year? from UVA, I don't know. But not to bury the lead here.
Starting point is 01:05:26 I know we have our UVA allegiances, and that could be Anton Harris. Yeah, it was even if Anton Harris here, but if the Patriots liked him so fucking much and they're just such geniuses, wouldn't they have just picked him earlier? I mean, I get it.
Starting point is 01:05:47 At that point, he's the value. Just admit that you were lucky to get Tom. Brady, please. One time. It's been 22 years or whatever. One time. Steve, who's the first quarterback
Starting point is 01:06:00 taken after Tom Brady? Todd Husseck, Stanford University. On my way. Nice. I think that was a, that quarterback draft was rough, I think, if I remember. Here you go.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Chad Pennington. Giovanni Karmazzi Hostra. Chris Redmond, T. Martin, Mark Bulger, Spurgeon Wend, then Brady. Todd Hughesack. Chowan Cider, Florida A&M, Tate, LaTec, Jarius Jackson, Joe Hamilton, Georgia Tech,
Starting point is 01:06:32 and that'll do it for the QBs. Unbelievable. Yeah. Unreal. Unbelievable. And you're just lucky. That's my senior college, man. It's incredible.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Fuck, dude. Those are some good breaks. Those are just, this put me in a good mood. Anything could happen this week for me. All right. I like the... That's the attitude. You know, coming out of this segment,
Starting point is 01:06:58 I hope everybody feels like anything can happen, anything is possible. Good breaks. Appreciate you guys. It was a good break having Stanford Steve on. We hope to have them back soon. Be well, my friend. All right, brother.
Starting point is 01:07:10 See you guys. Thank you, sir.

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