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Episode Date: August 17, 2021

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Hey, Mike. Hey, Chris. Hey, everybody out there. Fucking glued to your TV watching preseason football weekend, like it matters. I just hit the YouTube and watched every throw that all the rookie QBs made. It took me like 20 minutes. I just hit the ground and gave you 17. I get up to see you on the ground pushing up 50.

Yeah, we're doing some push-ups here. I was really happy that you pushed me. to get my daily number. Did you see my form? Yeah, it was brilliant. There's probably a rhyming push-up thing. Yeah, like ass to the grass. Yeah, ass to the grass, but like the other way around.

Face to the grass. We'll figure it out. You look great, man. Thanks. You look jacked. Thanks. And I gotta tell you you've been doing a thing lately that I noticed on set here.

Okay. You've been trying to hold the football a lot. I feel like it's like raising your testosterone to just sit here and hold the football and kind of like rotate it. in your hands and your biceps look kind of big. Like, yeah, you've been looking swole on set. Thanks.

It's a hack because this podcast that we record is also videotaped. Yeah. And occasionally put out on the internet. So if I'm holding something like this football, this win bet football, go to win bet.com for all your gambling needs. I think I'll do that. If I'm holding it, it just, what's it called when you trigger a muscle, it triggers the muscle, even in a forearm.

So this is a very skinny forearm. But when you see like tendons and muscles and stuff moving around. Yeah, you look like Trevor Lawrence a little bit. Yeah, people are like, is that sunshine? I noticed you were doing that, but it just occurred to me why. You're looking jacked. You're embracing the new fitness lifestyle you're living. All about vanity, baby.

Hey. Yeah. Minotanka, Minnesota. Hello. Minotanka. Hope we got some listeners of Minotanka. It was just a lake. Yeah, it's a city.

It's a real city. I know it from the Chappelle show where Prince told them that he would like baptize him in the waters of Lake Minnetonka or something that effect. I had no idea it was a real place. Oh, oh oh oh oh. That's a Chappelle reference. Some people will get it. Look who used to watch TV.

Yeah. Yeah, layup line. We didn't have any, we didn't have any layup line last week. We got so into this heated Gatorade debate, which is behind us now. Let's hope. We will talk a little bit about that. I think it'd give, bad, ugly. But we kind of got carried away and forgot the two layup line.

So I'm going to hit you with a two for today. This is a double header. It's a baseball tournament. It's when they play two games in one day. Oh, what a job this is. Devin the dude. You know, Devin the Dude has a song called What a Job. I think it's What a Job or What A Job This Is.

I can't remember which one. It's got Snoop Dog. It's got Devin the Dude. It's got most importantly, Andre 3000. Devin the Dude is a chill rapper. And all his music is chill. And I was just riding in the car yesterday thinking, hey, we got a great gig.

What a job this is. They're talking about being rappers and how great it is. It's great to be a podcaster. Not a dissimilar line of work. A lot of people pulling at you creatively. We gotta get with it twice a week. But it's a great job at the end of the day. For sure.

If only it were a high paying full-time gig on this side of the table. Well, all you gotta do is quit real estate. Oh, okay. The main event layup line here. Last night about 11 p.m., I caught wind of a Chris Stapleton single of sorts, a cover of the Metallica song, nothing else matters. And I got to tell you, I couldn't sleep after I heard that song. When I saw that it was eight minutes long, I was like, man, this has got to be good. This has got to be good. And listen, any country artist, including, you know, the godlike

creature that is Chris Stapledon. I thought you're going to say Kenny Chesney. I really did. It's close. It's on the tip of my tongue. But Chris Stapleton even could fall victim to like, covering a rock and roll song and making it sound a little commercial making it sound a little like he hasn't done it yet but i was like maybe this is the day and i was afraid to hit play but when i hit play i was absolutely blown away and yeah i'm rhyming words right now i'm not familiar with the original song so what what matters most to make nothing else matter but no nothing else matters something has to matter something matters yeah you don't know No, I don't really know.

I never paid attention to the Metallica lyrics. I just, I was pretty neutral on the song and Chris Stapled and freaked it and has kicked this thing into overdrive. It's unbelievable how just dripping with with flavor this song is now. It sounded very cool. I've told this story, but I was on a beach. I was about 16 years old, three dudes, three girls. And we went around the circle and everybody said what their favorite music was.

first buddy sublime oh cool second buddy sublime oh cool Kenny Chesney crickets and then I said nah I'm just kidding sublime and then they're like oh cool so I can never really be honest with what I like Chris Stapleton is in the center of the Venn diagram of trying to sound cool and things I actually do like yeah he's good that way yeah because a bunch of people with bad musical taste could still be like hey that's good music right there but everybody with good musical taste really just loved him from day one. And the thing about that story was, uh, from the beach, who's laughing now? That's right. Everybody. Oh. All right. Sublime. Uh, Santa Ria and such when we were like juniors in high school. I am convinced that if Sublime kept making music, they would have made some

really banging music into the 2000s. I was a big Bradley Noel fan. I think he was gone too soon. I think people don't take Sublime seriously enough. They weren't just a poster on the wall that nobody understood in their teenage phase. Like, nobody understood the lyrics. Nobody understood the posters, but we had them anyways, and we listened to the music. I think we would have grown with the music. R. IP, Bradley, Noel.

But, man, Chris Stapleton, it's really hard. A lot of these country artists try to cover stuff. And listen, I've heard some great covers in the country genre before Cody Jenks did A Wish You Were Here. That's a great one. Sturgle did in Bloom, which is fucking all-timer, covering Nirvana.

and again freaking it and then cash doing hurt nine inch nails you're you're familiar with nine inch nails and then tyler childers did a time cover i think you can find it on youtube time like hooty like pink floyd oh and i got i got to i got to include the dixie chicks who are now just the chicks i think correct um they crushed landslide but this might be this is up there this is just up there about six minutes and it's a religious experience. Go check it out. Stapleton doesn't stop. And I asked Macon before he came in. I said,

uh, you know, do you like Metallica? And I said, nah, but only because of its affiliation with Virginia Tech. And if Metallica had leaned into it, okay,

fine, I'll give you a pass, but they leaned into it. Yeah, they did lean into it. Um, the reason I don't like Metallica anymore is that Chris Stapleton, I know now could do their music better than them.

All, all their music. and I wish he would just cover everything. So another little dime to drop on y'all listening out there. Go check out Roy Buchanan. If you don't know Roy Buchanan and you like guitar, go check out Roy Buchanan. I'll put him on a playlist here.

I keep teasing y'all and saying I'll put out a playlist and I haven't put one out in a while. I'll do that today. You know who also did a really good cover of Nothing Else Matters? It's a Miley Cyrus, believe it or not. And you know what? that rings a bell. It rings a bell.

And I think Miley Cyrus is very talented. I want to give it a shot. Yeah, she grabbed Elton John and the drummer from the Red Hot Chili Peppers to jump on the instrumentals while she's singing. And it's pretty dope. Who would they do it? The Grammys or something? I think Metallica is doing like a cover album.

Because I also saw that Darius Rucker covered us all. I haven't listened to it. But Darius Rucker's covered. Nothing else matters. well so i think they're getting like a whole bunch of people going down to tuckers town they should just do a whole album of people covering nothing else matters it sounds like everybody's taking a stab at this one i would hate to be the guy that goes after chris stapled in on a cover album just don't no thank you uh housekeeping uh waffle house is coming up when is it coming up next well i don't know next no i think

i said next i think it went next i think it went next i think it said next and then I paused because I don't think you want to docks time and location. Yeah, that's right. Generally, when is it happening? Man, next week. Next week. Okay, next week I have to go to the Waffle House. I lost Thursday night time machine.

And by the way, we're running that back in some form or fashion. We'll decide on the stakes when I get out of the Waffle House. That sounds great. But I'll be in there next week because I lost Thursday night time machine. Man of my word, I'll be in there 24 hours or less. everybody knows the rule by now. We're only the eighth person to do this thing. But the guy who got so much traction

and got a New York Times article written about him, I mean, it was somewhat entertaining, but I think the bar is right where you need it. You deliver fire content. This is getting picked up everywhere. We're going to do podcasting in the Waffle House. I'm going to interview patrons. I'm going to have guests call in.

I'm going to go in there about noon, I think, and I'm going to be out of there by about 6 p.m. The best part for me is not that you're going to eat 18 waffles. Is not that you're going to eat probably 21 waffles in three hours and prove that you're an alpha. It's that I will have nothing to do with it. And I won fair and square and my reward will be a leisurely day free of podcasting. Oh, that's awesome.

And I can't wait to consume the content you produce. Where are you going to be? Not telling. Okay, but presumably with your family. Yeah. That sounds lovely. I get a break. I'm going to the Waffle House. Well, it's going to be, it all depends on how you think about it.

And I love my lovely wife who's clearly not listening. Wife Alert. Wife Alert. I love my children who aren't listening. But, you know, I'll get a break. I mean, I got to do it. It's for work. I got to go to the Waffle House for possibly 24 hours.

Meg, it was terrible. I could only put down two. I was in there 22 hours. I just couldn't quite finish. You bring a cot. How many waffles do you think I could eat, though? We got to set the over under here. Okay, this is not setting the over under, but I think you're so crazy that you could do 22 and two hours.

Listen, 410 calories, 160 fat calories, 870 milligrams of sodium. I was way off. Swimming, Swanson, Swenson? To the Waffle House. 22 waffles in two hours. Have you seen these waffles? Dude. Yeah.

Are they big? They're big. A frequenter. Crunchy ass. That's why he's. excited he's like I'll come in and help you did play defense aligned though I did I think you can get 13 you think I get 13 so as a former skill position player yeah I once ate 14 pancakes at I hop did you really with the syrup yeah it's the only way to eat them oh well that's gonna be

stuck in my head I can't let you alpha me on this so you got to get to 14 okay so the over under is going to be set at 12 and a half let's put 12 and a half easy over you think you like the over there I mean, I know you're going to try to create some content, so you need to be there a little while. Reed, he just, when he's challenged, he's half impressive, half obnoxious. No, no, no, I understand. That's Joey Chestnut stats. Okay. Yeah, there's just going to be a lot of calories there.

If you add that up, that's many calories. That's like 8,000 calories. I'm not even sure. J.J. Watt eats that many calories in a day. If he does, he's filming himself doing it for sure. Okay. Hey, Lee Sanderland down. in Mississippi, down in the sip,

ate nine waffles and nine hours. And from what I can tell, Lee Sanderlin is a standard-sized cat. Okay? Now, I have won competitive eating competitions before. You know, as you said, when I'm challenged, when I'm backed into a corner,

I fucking fight, and I will fight in this waffle house. And I will eat over 12 and a half waffles. I can't tell you if it's going to be 16. I can tell you if it's going to be 20, but I'm not spending all day in there, unless I'm enjoying the vacation. Let's talk about preseason

football, shall we? May I do one shout in housekeeping before we get there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. We, uh, you and I took a nature walk yesterday because we're friends in real life and that's what friends do on Sunday afternoons. And we ran into Brian and Missy Kent. That was incredible. Whose son Nick went to our high school, our college and was recently drafted by the Rockies and could soon become an isotope. An Albuquerque isotope and you're burying the lead. It's our high school basketball coach. Yeah. Everybody knows Brian Kent. Everybody knows Brian Kent. But like Brian Ryan Kent, by the way, ageless wonder. I mean, the Kent's are like Ted Williams

or something. I'm like, you look, you guys look the same as when I was in high school, but their kid just finished college and we watched him in the College World Series. And I said, hey, how's he doing? They were like, oh, you know, he got drafted by the Rockies. Didn't you hear? I was like, oh. They did, to be fair, they did not say, didn't you hear.

No, they didn't say it like that. It was like, in my brain, it was like, man, I missed that. And I really bit my tongue for about 30 seconds. I wanted to tell him so badly. So did I. so did my creative player in MLB the show. And then you did. And I was like, so where is he going to be playing next?

Like, where's the farm system? And they were like, I don't know, there's a couple of places out west. And I was like, oh, Albuquerque? And they're like, yeah, how do you know that? I'm like the isotopes. Ray Kohler. Rob Kohler. Okay.

Rob Kohler, who's batting average dropped by 70 points over the weekend. Oh, drugs? I knew that. Have you drug tested? No, it's drugs every time I'm playing the game. Okay. If I am playing MLB the show, I'm high. Okay.

But it's just I'm not seeing the ball right now. Obviously. What do we have on the docket today? We've got James Co. One of my favorite coworkers. Catch that. Oh, you said one of my favorite. Am I one of your favorite?

Yeah, but co-worker. K-O-H workers. Oh, and I just totally made it about myself right away. Yeah, you see. No, I got to examine that because... It happens to me, too. You do jokes here that I don't pick up on all the time because our brains are working. Do you hear them back when you listen back?

Yeah, oh yeah, but I usually hear him 10 seconds later. But no, like I got to stop making everything about me. It's not about me. We'll stop now. Okay. James Coe's going to be on. He's going to do fantasy. But I am one of your,

you're in my fantasy league. No, but one of your favorite. Yeah, you're definitely probably my favorite coworker. Oh, thank you. It's a tie with Reed and Taylor. Okay. It's total tie. John's my favorite.

It's a total tie. It's like we just had a couple overtimes. Couldn't get to the bottom of it. We're going to talk fantasy sleepers. Yeah. And players that are awake. Players that might be a little groggy. Broggy.

They're hitting the snooze. But we want to know about them all. We're going to talk about a whole lot. And I have a fantasy league idea that I want to float. And then we've got Shannon Furman coming on. She's been working for Ennovel films for like eons and she's directing hard knocks and she's going to take us under the hood. Prediction.

She's awesome. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. I bet I'm right. Minus 300 of the odds on her being awesome. Let's talk preseason football. Talk about some people who are seeing the ball.

Hutt, Hike! You know, there for a while, like a dozen years when I was a little one, I thought you had to say hut, hut, hike to get the ball snapped. Man, in high school, I used to make Kelly Maddie say, Fuchsia, 69. It was awesome. Couldn't do that in college. I didn't play O-Line in college, but...

You know how you snap it these days? Oh. Yeah, you just clap your hands. Omaha is out the window. In fact, it's the butt of a hole. Hall of Fame joke like you can't use Omaha anymore Omaha Blue Go was like very common knowledge that the ball was coming

and I don't know why the Mannings can consistently just acted like we didn't know the snap count I mean that was a way to get some sacks on your boy Eli Hall of Famer preseason football is back the football media is back hey I wish people cared as much about like their loved ones as they do for young guys who can throw a football far and could care less about them.

Like it's an incredible phenomenon seeing people just go to the wall for children they've never met because they can throw footballs and because they're trying to win a Twitter argument. Can we pump the brakes on all these guys we're about to discuss? Can we give it like 10 days

before we put them all in Canton or bury them? One fella through five completions to nine incompletions but one duck went 25 yards in the air and eventually went 80 yards to the house. Great look and play. I got something on him though. Okay.

Okay. But QBs are worse than politics. American politics is the epicenter of just shittiness. But American quarterbacks and the way we discuss them is right there with it. So I'm a little bit bummed about that, but football is back. And right on Q, Reid, you got a QB question. There's thunder. There is thunder.

Lightning and the thunder. There's thunder outside. Well, I love thunder, by the way. Yes. I almost put it in my good. Fog, thunder, rain. Show me someone who doesn't love thunder. A bunch of people who are simpletons.

It's just like sunny days. Maybe some dog owners, but the rabbit, oh my gosh. She just sits outside in thunderstorms and just basks. I woke up this morning. It was overcast. There was fog. It looked like fucking San Francisco, but with rolling hills and green plants. Lance. Oh, it's Virginia in August. A nice rainstorm, nothing better. Reed, you got any good

preseason brain busters for us? Let's get some preseason brain busters for you guys. Well said. Well said. Yep. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Quarterback first games on over the weekend, Jordan Love, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson. You guys watch the games. Who stood out? Who impressed? Who's going to be a Hall of Famer. That's a good question. I love it. Reed,

getting into the holiday spirit here. They're all Hall of Famers. Listen, a lot of people talked about Justin Fields, and I get why, because I think as fans, we were human beings, and like Justin Fields was unfairly treated

leading up to the draft. There were stories that were floated about him, narratives that were kind of, you know, ushered into the fold when it came to how we were discussing him, that kind of sucked. And he slid to 11, okay? You know, that's not like an Aaron Rogers slide,

but it's a slide. And hey, not every team that passed on him was being stupid or being personal with the kid, but people get these favorites, and Justin Fields is one of them on the internet right now. So the World Wide Web imploded when he threw that dime, the Rodney Adams throw. Beautiful, and they should have.

The thing that most impressed me about Justin Fields was he had a good day's work. I mean, he got as much work as anybody this weekend for a guy that they don't know if he's going to start or not reportedly. But he had a tough start, quiet as kept, and he really improved as the game went on. Whereas if we get to Trey Lansing a few, I thought he kind of got rattled as the day went on and had a brilliant start. Careful in the end zone, right off the bat. You know, you can't little things. You see these guys that look so, especially Trevor Lawrence, who we'll get to in a second, like these guys look so superhuman in college.

It takes five minutes for them to look very human in the pros, which shows like how big the jump is. But with Fields, for instance, one of his first throws, he's rolling out of the pocket backwards in the end zone, which if you get a hold, that can be a safety. And that's a situation when you put a lineman in a bad spot and, you know, a defensive lineman's giving ground and running to the sideline. somebody's vacated the pocket. That's an easy way to to score two points for the other team. You know, deflection early, almost through a bad pick, you know, fumbled spinning. People remember how you finish.

And although everything in the first half was underneath, you had the nice third and five rolling right and the Rodney Adams star, which was beautiful. And I mentioned earlier, in the second half, he really picked up some steam. And his strides are unbelievable. I mean, that's the scariest thing about this guy. He can throw the ball.

Okay, no question. He didn't in college. You can do it now. A lot of the questions swirling around him are how quickly will he process because Ohio State was like, you know, kind of a one read offense. I don't know if that's true or not.

I didn't watch enough Ohio State, but I know that every quarterback is going to have to make more reads than they did in college. And that's going to be the main thing for him. He will hurt people with his legs. And I don't mean that he can't hurt people with his arm. We're a one read podcast.

I don't know about that. Oh, yeah, we are. Did you just get that? I just got the joke. But I think the big thing is he's going to have the ability to take advantage of the pocket being moved for him. And I don't mean that in a way that he can't throw the ball out of the pocket. All these guys drift backwards.

They all struggle to stand in the pocket. Trevor Lawrence did it, especially. I felt like he was real drifty, especially for a tall guy. Justin Fields is going to really hurt people with design runs to get him out on the move. And he can throw dimes from outside the, the, the ashes. And he will. And he reminds me a little bit. I mean this is a compliment.

I don't mean Carson Wentz this year. I mean like an MVP for him, Carson Wentz. I can see that with this kid. Big physical, big arm, good on the run, move the pocket for him. He's going to hurt people with his legs. I like him. Thank you for picking a white guy. Yeah.

Good for you. Thank you. I appreciate it. As somebody you got compared to every white defensive end in history. Did you like what you saw from Justin Fields? Did I? Yeah. Yeah, but let me dumb it down.

Yeah. He looked cool. Yeah, he looked cool as fuck. And that's tough to do, I feel, for a Chicago Bears quarterback. Historically, it's defense. I'm going to tell you who else look cool. Okay. Zach Wilson.

Okay, yeah. Looks really cool. He has the little thing coming out the back of his helmet. Like he's got the right balance of white undergarments to their uniforms not bad. And I got to say, oh. Yeah. Remember when I said that? Yeah, no, it's growing on me.

It's growing on me. Listen, here's the deal, but I never hated it the first year. I only just didn't go to the wall for it like you. Show me more of Zach Wilson. I mean, throw the ball a lot. Out of all the guys, I thought the zip on the football coming off his hand was the most impressive. The zip. That third down and six early in the game, that's such a basic throw as a fan sitting on the couch.

But those are the throws, the conversion throws that you can't take for granted. And it was zipped in there. You know, I'm really excited to see more of Zach Wilson. They were pretty vanilla and they ran the ball a lot. But again, ball looked good coming off his hand. Trevor Lawrence, he had an up and down day. I mean, like, sack right away. That's what I was talking about.

These guys look human immediately. And it took a couple plays. But that early third and nine, same kind of throw. The zip coming back, I believe Marvin Jones Jr., and you think he likes him, he found him a lot, was enough to show me, okay, he can make all the big throws. Like, we knew that anyways, but he's making them at least in his first preseason debut. But he had a major drifting problem.

I mean, he was drifting to like 11 yards. And for a taller guy, you know, it's early on. And I feel like some of these guys can't see things. You're like in a video game when you play Madden and I find myself these days trying to play these complex NFL games. I used to play in college. I can't play them anymore. So I play like MLB the show.

But I'll take a snap and shotgun. and just keep drifting my quarterback back to buy myself time and see the crossing. Super Tecmo Bowl. Yeah, I mean, like, that's what Trevor Lawrence and a lot of these young quarterbacks do is they drift, they give ground, they make it harder on their offensive lines. It's early. I'm not panicking there,

but they all do it, but the throws were nice, and that throw that everybody was really excited about was a beautiful touch pass to Jones down the scene. I've got good news for a guy Gardner. Yeah. He can go bathroom because I think, think C.J. Bethard is is right in there at QV2. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 of 16 for 102 and a touchdown.

Bethard, who we like here. Yeah. Who we like here. Heck yeah. We've always liked Bethard. We've always wondered why he didn't get more snaps. I mean, it's just a preseason game. And maybe Minchu. Different locale for Minchu. Yeah. Yeah. Just ship him out and get him some, some space, some wide open spaces. Yep. Room to make a big mistake. Betherd's on his way to the Hall of Fame. His first preseason game in his career, he was 14 to 23, 211 yards, and three touchdowns. So you add those stats to what he did this weekend.

It's only a matter of time. Gold jacket. Gold jacket. Heardt. Exactly. I wonder how Bether's speech is going to be. I look at this thing and I just say to myself like it's the first game, but these are the things that you're going to see.

You're going to see guys drifting. You're going to see guys making bad decisions. Let me say something about Trey Lance. You said not so great. I think he looked terrific. He looked better than anybody early. He looked better than anybody early. Drop in a sack right away.

And then that big throw that they probably, if he's making that throw in the Super Bowl, they win the Super Bowl. He's going to be able to make that throw with regularity. I do believe that. And the deep outs that he was hitting were really impressive. and they were piss missiles, but people were dropping the ball. He had a lot of drops early.

But that big throw, roll left, set your feet, turn around, fire strike. Let's save the tray area thing for people with more swag. I mean, I can't listen to that highlight all year. I can't believe. Trey area! I can't believe the guy let it go in week one of preseason. I mean, just save it. Let it percolate a little bit.

But, you know, like he takes a sack in the red zone next. He was under pressure the entire day, which I think is a good thing because you're playing against the Chief's number 1 D line off the bat. You know, another drop on third and eight by Richie on a missile, these deep outs I'm talking about,

three yards past the sticks. But he almost threw a pick. I think it was in cover two, and his feet are all over the place. I mean, that's one thing you can see with Trey Lance is he's gonna have to work on his footwork. He has a fumble in the second half, fourth sack of the game.

He coughs up the football. And then third and third and third, 15, he almost throws another pick. So I think, interestingly, he got rattled as the game went on, whereas the other guys got more comfortable. But I don't blame him because the ball was dropped like four times coming off his hand. The guy that low key had the best day, and people are going to throw tomatoes at me. Okay?

I think that's bad when you throw tomatoes at somebody, right? Right. Which I don't understand a rotten tomatoes why the more percentage of tomatoes, the better. Am I missing something? well there's a there's uh what's it called when well there's a rotten tomato that's the green one yeah and then like a ripe delicious tomato it's red is it good to get a ripe delicious tomato thrown at you we can figure this out rotten tomatoes it's rotten tomatoes because people are going to give me a bunch of rotten tomatoes here or throw you know perfectly red juicy tomatoes at me both of them

are insults but mac jones had a fucking killer day okay i'm just saying this and i don't didn't see this coming necessarily and I wouldn't have put him at the top of my big board. He's still not at the top of my big board. But I think he could have a lot of early success there because they have a nice system. He's not going to be asked to do a ton. And one thing he did that everybody else didn't on the weekend, he climbed the pocket. He's very good in the pocket, which is such a cliche and it's not the way you have to play the game anymore.

But in that system, in any system, it doesn't hurt to be able to climb and not panic in the pocket. I think that coming from that pro style kind of foundation into New England, which is like the ultimate pro style kind of program, although they have hit the curveball and adjusted over the years and they're not the same as they used to be. He's going to be well coach. I mean, he climbed as well as anybody this weekend and checks, a lot of dumps, a lot of intermediate throws, but he nailed his intermediate throws. And then the third and 24 is last throw of the night right off the fingers of Gunnar O'Shefsky. And then early, audible, oh my God, watching the laptop on YouTube.

I mean, the throw from the 34 into the corner of the end zone, right off 17's hands, it would have been a touchdown early. Doesn't show up in the stat sheet. You're not gonna see it on NFL.com because the ball didn't fall into the receiver's hands, but that was a beautiful touch pass. And he's gonna have to make those. He's gonna live over the middle, crossers, shallow crossers, you know, outs, conversion,

type plays, they're going to milk the football, they're going to possess the football, and then they're going to have opportunities to take shots to Aguilar and guys like that. And he's got to hit them when he has them. He's not going to live there, but he's got to hit him when he has them. And I think he had a really good first day. Will he get the opportunity to play quarterback? I do believe so. In New England. I do believe so. I think it won't be long before you see Mack Jones under center. And I could be eating crow here, but based off of what we saw last year, I'm sorry, I'm not in the MRI room with Cam. I don't know what was going on. he'd have to prove to me that he's back back to keep Mac Jones off the field

because they're going to be able to efficiently move the ball and then maybe you see a Taysam Hill situation with a plus, Tassum Plus with Cam because Cam can really help that offense in a lot of ways. All right, that's enough quarterbacks. Now let's talk Tim Tebow. Another quarterback. Tim Tebow, eight of 13, 105 yards in his very first preseason start as a quarterback for the Denver Broncos. That's funny.

He did so well there. He's going to try to go to the Hall of Fame in two positions. He did so well this weekend at tight end. I hope you guys saw that. His plays were very popular on Twitter. Where does his performance rank for you guys on the weekend? I mean, it's high because it gave us something to talk about. Thank you Tim Tebow for doing this whole thing. We filled at least an hour talking about Tim Tebow on this show already. Let's make it an hour in five minutes, shall we? Yeah, I watched it in real time. Okay, the routes were bad, but he's there to block.

Okay? And block he didn't. Okay, block he didn't. I'm sitting there watching him on the couch. And you know you're out of football for real when preseason sneaks up on you. I turn on the TV and I'm just mind of my business. I'm like, oh, fuck, there's football. And there's this giant cat that's just been living on pre-workout doing bicep curls all day long.

And I'm kind of thinking to myself like, oh my gosh. God, is the game passed me by that much that Tebow could slam me on my head? But there's no question I would whip Tim Tebow's ass. And there's no question he couldn't block me. And I felt way better about it as I watched the first two plays that I watched. The first one was the crunch block, okay?

You can't expect to eat 5,000 calories a day and just roll out there and block defense events. They paid us more than anybody on the field outside of quarterbacks. There's a reason there. Blocking us is hard. And I don't want to turn this into an anti- Tim Tebow thing. don't hate Tim Tebow. I'm not somebody who enjoys watching this other than the fact that I get to talk about it

and fill time. The crunch block, as we would call it, where he motions across the formation, comes back and kicks out the defense van, was not great. Okay. Both guys just, quote, did their jobs in the worst way. Tebow didn't have any lead in his pencil. That's what you could glean from that. I mean, there just was no, the load up and then the pop.

There just wasn't anything there because it's different than playing quarterback. blocking in line is different than lifting weights. Were those euphemisms? Which ones? Like leaden the pencil and... Yeah, he's just, he's not powerful enough to block. And that's not a... It'd be like, it's not a...

And we're in this weird zone where if I'm talking about Tim Tebow, I'm not shitting on Tim Tebow, I'm not making it personal. I'm not like, I'm not insulting him. It would be like critiquing Will Smith's, I don't know, fucking check. skills. It's not what you do. Welcome to Miami. Yeah, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not Bobby Fisher. You're an actor. It's like you're not, you're not fucking, you're not T.J.

Hawkinson, you're Tim Tebow. Like, this isn't what you do. So I'm not dumping on him here. Here's the, the guy that I'm really kind of looking at. Not Tim Teowah. I'm looking at the defensive end. The defensive end passed up an opportunity. And I don't know if their job is to spill that, which means knife underneath. and make the ball carrier bounce or to hit it thick and win inside, which was always our job in St. Louis. And we took great pride in trying to blow up tight ends

that were coming back across. Seattle, they used to come across and cut you. And so what we were told to do was cut the cutter. And if you're cutting the cutter, what do you think happens? It's just a giant... A giant opportunity for multiple cervical spine injuries and just like the tight end eventually is like,

what are we doing here? and something along the lines of like, why are you doing that man? He's like, you stop cutting me. I'll stop cutting you. William Hayes used to cut the crunch block guy all the time. If you say William Hayes' name in Brent Selick's house, I think he walks out.

We did a joint practice one time, and Brent would come over to me and all the tight ends would come in and be like, your friend's a fucking asshole. And I was like, well, he doesn't like crunch blocks. If William Hayes and I were in that locker room with the Cleveland Browns,

and we had an opportunity to play a block from Tim, Tebow, we would have been taking bets on who could make him pick up the most teeth off the off the field. Because it's fun. We've been waiting to hit Tim Tebow for a month, not to mention, you don't want to be the guy that passes up an opportunity to blow Tim Tebow up. So yes, shocker, Tim Tebow can't fucking block. The other guy, though, the defensive end, I do wish you had given us that opportunity for content. You think that was good content over the weekend? imagine somebody blew him up and we'll never get that opportunity again and we shouldn't because the other blocks were worse he completely whiffed in line and those aren't even the starters

and you don't keep blocking tight ends around who can't block so this is an opportunity for urban mire it's a genius move by him if he's planning on cutting him on tuesday as he should get everybody mad at him get the locker room thinking he won't be fair then just cut him on tuesday and prove everybody wrong and it's like Lloyd and dumb and dumber. You just totally redeemed yourself. Sold a bunch of jerseys in the process. And you fucking made money and you got eyeballs on your

team and now it's time to take the public relations torch and pass it to Trevor Lawrence, your number one pick quarterback. Tebow looked like a brick and a dryer. You know? And the dryer's on.

Yeah. Yeah. But good ankle flexion. I'll give them that. ankle flexion was good but not Tim Tee, but more like Tim T. Bow out. Now that's tough because his name's not Tim T. Bow. But the last three letters are B-O-W. He does need to be Tim T-Bow out at this point.

Yeah, trademarked. Yeah, we should make a T-shirt. Sell well in Jacksonville. Yeah. No, I mean, like listen, nothing against the guy, but when you put yourself in the position and doing something you're not an expert at at an expert level, people are going to criticize you. And that's what this thing's about.

I saw a lot of people that were like, why are y'all being so hard on Tim Tebow? Just let him try something. You're forgetting about the part where there's a bunch of people lining up in droves, like a thousand deep trying to play this sport at a professional level. And he's taking up a very serious roster. Look, I think he could be a great 3 and D guy in the NBA. Give him an opportunity. Yeah.

And here's the biggest part of it. Every moment that this video and videos like it, whether it's fair or not, whether the crunch block was as bad as the other 50 worst blocks on the weekend. It's the magnifying glasses on you. And every time you do something, it's going to be blasted out to a million people. And everybody's going to be talking about it in the film room and looking out on their phones. People are going to be in their lockers on social media like, damn, they're really, they're fucking gassing Tebow up here.

They're just, they're lighting them on fire. Not gassing them up. They're flaming him. And the longer dudes are in the locker room. talking amongst themselves in that kind of subdued voice like when he walks in the locker room or you know when it's on film and it's quiet in the room and the elephant is enormous every minute you do that is a minute the upstairs portion of the building is undermined and urban should know that so i'm thinking that tuesday i'm not rooting for anybody to lose their employment

but like that ain't something you don't hide blocking tight ends that can't block like there's no such thing. If you're a blocking tight end and you can't run routes and catch the football, they don't hide you especially if you can't block. If you combine Tim Tebow, a non-blocking blocking, blocking tight end with Evan

Ingram, a non-catching catching tight end, you'd have the perfect worst tight end. Perfect tight end. All due respect to everyone mentioned. Taunting. That's taunting is what that is. Yeah, 15 yards for you. Segway.

and two, Colts Panthers, Colts running back, Benny LeMay, carries the ball on second and two. He drags the pile 10 yards after he is finally brought down. He gets up, does a couple flexes, and then walks away. The referee immediately walks in and tosses a flag for taunting. Well, I feel bad for that running back. That was a great run and probably pretty borderline as far as taunts. haunting is concerned. But the league's making an emphasis.

You know who I feel really bad for is that defense? That's going to be played on loop for like 10 days in the hottest, most work intensive time of the year. Like when that happens in a preseason game, as you're riding the pile, you're like, fuck, this is going to be a long week.

Well, it's going to be played in every single building because they're going to have to say, this is taunting. So if you fucked up on that play, it's not just like a strain on your work day and your work week and your body, but it's also embarrassing. If you took that play off, everybody in the league is getting that speech Monday morning, as you very adeptly pointed out.

The other thing is nobody likes the taunting rule, right? Like, got it. Very predictable. I mean, like, I don't like taunting either. The NFL looks like, you know, over the past couple years with the group celebration thing, that they're moving in the right direction, right? Like we're, quote, unquote, the right direction, the new school direction. And then they do this, right?

I think there was something last year, I don't remember, what it was, but there was probably a catalyst for this and they're afraid of taunting fucking up their money, the image of the league, whatever it is. They did this with, I believe, holding penalties or something a couple of years ago. There was an increased emphasis on, you know, and they do this every year with calls on holding or was roughing the quarterback. Every time they do this, everybody freaks out like the sky is falling. And usually by the end of preseason or by the end of end of the first couple weeks of the season, they get the negative reviews and they just magically stop doing it. And what naturally happens there is we're all scarred as fuck. We don't want flags. We don't

want to yell it at. We don't want to end up on the Jumbotron. We don't want to get fine. The muscle memory kicks in. And by the fourth week of the season, they're not calling it anymore and they don't have to call it as much. They get the desired outcome, which is scared straight. And they also look like they're trying and everybody wins. Now I'm not saying there's any point to this because I don't think taunting is a problem in the NFL. It's a fucking violent and contentious game. But I think at the end of the day, it's not going to be like the sky is falling at all in about eight weeks. You're going to be like, I forgot about that thing where they were making an increased emphasis on taunting. I think you're right about that. There's nothing better than the guy who scores and hands the ball to

the official without doing a single thing. Yeah. But I don't want to I don't want to outlaw guys who show their asses to everybody. It's fun, dude. And yeah, I don't know. Standing over a guy and flexing, you're probably right. Showing your ass. There was something. Standing over somebody and showing your ass.

Alan Iverson over Tyron Lou. Yeah, we love that. But that was, the NBA did that too. It was like, hey, no more talking back. That's an automatic T. And now these days, it's like right back to where we were. No, I understand. But every league has a taunting rule in some, in some, you know,

variation and and that's the NFL heavy as a head that wears the crown and it's totally uncool to applaud anything the NFL does so we have to absolutely shit on them when they do something we don't like but this is part of sports like people don't like Lee's try to keep taunting and check and I do believe that in eight weeks we will look back and be like oh that rule was was interesting for preseason the first three weeks of the year and we can still celebrate we can still send all 11 members of the defense down to the end zone to celebrate a fumble recovery. We can still stare at the fucking TV and go.

Didn't you, wasn't there a group photo at one end zone and you slid in like way late? Maybe, but usually I stayed out of it. Okay. Usually I ran to the sideline. Because a lot of the times if we scored on defense, you know what happens next? We play defense again.

Right. So a lot of the young guys are like, this is gonna look good on IG, usually the DBs. You're working smart, not hard. Working smart, not hard. But I will say this, a couple years ago, the aforementioned period of increased emphasis on fucking, you know, like whatever penalty it was, I think it was an offensive penalty because scoring went down. And, you know, scoring is cash money. And I don't know that taunting or the lack thereof will equate to more cash money.

But I do believe they're trying to get a kind of a stimulus response that will last the year and they won't have to do it. So that's what I'm hoping. The Chargers and the Rams played a football game this weekend, and there was another fight in the stands. It didn't seem like it was a Chargers versus Rams fight, though. It looked like there was mainly Rams jerseys on. It was Ram on Ram. Ram on Ram. And it culminated with a woman in the back launching a soda into the face of what looked like the most angry.

dude in the fray who became even angrier and then got beat up and then got beat up by about six other dudes whenever a fight video starts and somebody's screaming a lot you know that that guy is going to end getting beat up like it's never a thing where the guy's screaming and pounding his chest ends up like winning the fight he always ends up the punchline quite literally and when i'm thinking about this fight like people always kind of glorify these fights or laugh at them some people wag the finger at them. People are going to people. Human beings are going a human being. Yet alcohol

to the mix, you had football to the mix and everybody in the fucking stadiums macho man, Randy Savage. Fights are ugly. The Sons and Four guy got a little bit more glorification because it was so brandy. It was so like, it was so topical.

And more than anything, there was a clear instigator who got what was coming to him. And everybody agreed that those guys were doucheback. Like everybody unanimously was on Sons and Four Guys side. Okay. The douchebag here that everybody immediately identified, and I don't know the guy,

I'm not calling him a douchebag, but everybody obviously was like, okay, when the video started, we're all pointing at the guy in the Aaron Donald video because he's screaming, he's big, there's more people looking at him like he's being an asshole, but, you know, being in the minority doesn't mean you're wrong.

I mean, C Gatorade, 2001, Lemon Lime. He was the douchebag and he got beat up, but he didn't cause it. He never threw a punch that I saw. He might have swiped somebody's hand. No, I'm talking about, did you see the video? Oh, I'm watching it on loop. Okay, so he didn't start the fight. I mean, he might have verbally started it,

but all I saw was a bunch of dudes yelling at each other. A bunch of bad bill dudes yelling at each other. Like a bunch of dudes talking about fighting. And then the powder keg comes in. The woman throws a hand grenade that just went end over end in slow motion and hit Aaron Donald. And that's when the fight starts.

So, I mean, I don't know who to root for in this fight. If you're going to do a fight in the stands, I want somebody to root for. There was nobody to root for here. And I ended up feeling bad for the Aaron Donald guy because he just got absolutely pummeled and had to leave the stadium shirtless and covered in blood.

He's not, he's not, I don't know what the word would be. The slate isn't clean for this guy, but he didn't cause the fight. Public enemy number one is this lady who's effectively like the, do you remember the black hand? Do you know what the black hand is?

No. World War I. They assassinated Archduke Ferdinand. Franz Ferdinand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That started the whole thing. Don't ask me any more details about that. It's one of the very few things I retained from school.

She was the black hand. she started it all she kicked it off and so like ugly fight but the thing about fights is you got to have somebody to root for there was nobody a root for in this fight and the security at the stadium for as state of the art as it is it's l.A they should have people repelling down in like yellow jackets to stop these fights this is going to happen a lot without knowing what the gentleman said i feel bad for him because he was slightly handicapped with multiple people pulling on his jersey from behind to pull him out of there and then also getting kicked facing you know six or seven guys yep on the front and then somebody kicked him into the pile they were like oh fuck this shit and they're like double

foot just like get in there get beat up and so everybody just ganged up on this guy he must have did something awful but i'm not sure because for the most part everybody in these videos are idiots like everybody in these videos are idiots like even the ones that we think are right you're fighting at a football game in a stadium the videographers the videographers no not necessarily I'd whip my phone out

but you said you were going to watch the malice at the palace thing this guy's this woman's the John Green of this situation John Green of course is the guy that evidently met a world peace and him made up years later but he's the guy who threw the the drink Nobody can hurt me without my permission. Who said that?

Mahatma Gandhi. Is that like your thing? Yeah, that was like my period on the fans fighting. Somebody said something to me once that was really, I thought it was really interesting. And I was like, hey, look at my hands. Look at me to make a fist. Oh.

And then my friend was like, well, why would you want to? No, listen. So I can't make a fist. My index finger won't go all the way in because of a gruesome injury. It was broken twice and dislocated. once all in the same event. And I said, check it out.

I can't make a fist. And my friend said, why would you ever want to? That's a great question. And maybe I wish you would go, you know what we should do a thing? Anybody's ever been in a stadium fight, like kind of like scared straight where they have like gang members who got out and they go back to into jail to talk to him. You should go talk to anybody who's been in a stadium fight and give that same speech. Yes.

Guaranteed they don't do it anymore. I'll lead with Gandhi. I'll close with Gunter. No, wait. I didn't say it. My friend did. They'll get it. Yeah, they'll get it.

What else did you see this weekend, Mike? Do you see anything else fun on the boob tube with the pigskin? Are we doing penalties? Ah, penalties sucked. That penalty is going to be a problem. That penalty is going to be a problem now. With the DBs coming down and they can't cut people in the edge. The DBs are just going to get hurt.

DBs are just, DB injuries. They're going to get waffled. They're going to get waffled. No waffle house. They're getting waffled. Corners that you've never heard of are going to be playing this year. You know in Mario Kart?

I do. When you get flattened, and everybody else is whizzing by you and you're just like all flattened like a pancake that weighs nothing that's what those corners are going to do all year long

and then eventually you're going to change the rule back but it's going to be good for offense so nobody cares DBs are taken to Twitter to complain another thing I saw James Winston hip thrusting

that was ugly is that franchise quarterback stuff from the sound of it no I think it is I want more James this year not less James

well definitely Bryce Perkins Charles Snowden Snowden had a sack Chicago Bears and Bryce Perkins hurtled a guy

he did Andy Andy got first downs at all costs through touchdown pass listen here's the deal with Bryce Perkins one of the best football I've ever seen in person playing college football

I mean it's high praise If they can find a way to use him, I mean, they found a way to use Taysam Hill down in New Orleans. Okay, this would be Taysam Hill on steroids. Okay, Bryce Perkins is made of concrete. Let me just say that one more time. The only thing I can think of, you know,

Mina Kimes actually made this point, and I thought it was really good, was, you know, maybe not using him doing a lot of complex stuff, not showing a lot, possibly, and keep an eye on this through the preseason, he's trying to hide him, you know, keep him on P-Squod. So nobody catches wind of this awesome talent. So I don't want to burst the bubble.

Well, and Wolford, is that the kid from Wake? Boy, I saw him without his helmet. He's appendectomy. He had an appendectomy? Yeah, so he would have been playing, if not for the appendectomy. You heard me. Hey, and who else was in the mix there? Oh, Duck Hodges.

Oh, Duck Hodges. And Perkins out played Hodges, yeah, in a big way. Man, I was sitting on my back porch Saturday, just having the most relaxing evening of all time, walked back inside, and the TV was on, and I saw Chase Daniel playing pro football still. And I want to tip the cap to that cat.

The $40 million man. Listen, if I played quarterback, maybe I'd want to do this for way long. But big ups to that guy. He's got to figure out. He's playing in L.A. in his 19th season. I've seen the James video

that's a great video I'm all in on that hey read he's not going to allow this I just figured out who you look like who me yeah Steve Belichick

oh no I don't agree with that but look at the hair coming I like your leg no I like your Larry Nance much better I just don't see it I used to spend a lot of time around him I know but in that very moment I was like huh

with my mullet that's true yeah but yeah your Larry Nance call is really good thank you It's really good. I'll give you that. Especially, congratulations for not comparing me

to a white guy. Yeah. Yeah. See, this pot is progressive. A.F. All right. So, as promised, we're going to talk some fantasy

with James Co. On Twitter at James D. Co. That's K-O-H. The guy's got a great voice, doesn't he? You know, I think it's like a marriage

between Barack Obama's voice and John O'Leary's voice. Which the people don't know. as well, but he's behind the scenes, the glue guy here. Trust me on this one. Yeah. All right. Next gen stats, uh, guru, uh, one of my favorite coworkers of all time.

We've done, uh, Amazon, uh, and, and he's also helped me. She's tried to help me with my fantasy. Uh, James Coe has joined us. What's cracking Chris? Hey, by the way, I feel like I have definitely helped you not come in last. Yes. And that's the goal. That's the goal, baby.

Did you? the fruits of your labor, which was me not being on that billboard in Charlottesville? Did I ever send you that billboard that was the punishment? No, no, no. I need to see that. But basically, we have our fantasy draft coming up this weekend. Yeah. Defending champion is sitting in one of these chairs.

Is it this weekend or next weekend? You're not even close, actually. It's more than two weeks away. Okay, good. More time to prepare. Pre-pandemic, man. It's like, you know, yeah, yeah, man. You get together live.

I mean, you just, you, you get the spread, you know, you got the chicken, you got the, you know, the, you know, the, the hoagies, you got them all, you know what I mean? You get, you get to crack open a couple beers, little whiskey going too. So now that's the best way. You get the live draft board and like stickers and all that and like, you throw them up there, you know what I mean? And just do that whole thing, man. But, um, but barring that, hey, this is my life, bro. So like, anytime I can just get together with friends and even do this online, man, I'm good with it. It's been funny. I actually didn't get fantasy football at all when I played football, but I totally get it now that I'm just a retired dad. It is a waypoint in the middle-aged dad calendar. It's like, hey, if we can just get to

August and we can start talking about our draft, like that's going to be a tremendous amount of wind in our sales socially for the fall. And it's a built-in-excused, babe, I got to do it. It's amazing how we all leverage it like it's part of our job. Yes. Yeah. Hey, wife. I know I spent all day watching these games and shouting expletives because of a dropped pass here there, but I won the league and look at this $400 we have now. Don't tell me I'm not contributing to the household. We used to in St. Louis do a great NBA fantasy draft. I was really into basketball fantasy.

Have you ever dabbled in that, James? I used to love fantasy basketball, man. I had like five, six leagues going at one point in my life before I started getting into girls. and a girlfriend was like, no, this is, this is, this ain't, this ain't it, chief. Uh-uh. This ain't it. Uh-uh. No, because you have to pay attention every night with fantasy basketball.

Every night. You're right. Yep. Baseball, they're just fucking, they're deranged. They, I don't understand how they do that over that long of a season. Football is the perfect sweet spot. You have a draft take. Well, and so much offense intended to you.

Thank you. And I trust that that James will agree. James, I was always a one league person just because I wanted to root for my guys and not worry if I had a guy on one team and I was going against the same guy in another league. But I've expanded to the two league system because we have to produce content here on this podcast. And we do a snake draft because the people in this league are by and large dumb people. And I trust that you will agree. My other leagues is an auction league. That's the only way to go.

Yes. It is the only way to go. And I would try to explain it to you. I don't know if you get it. Try me. Okay. You have a pot of money, 200 bucks, let's say. And then you bid for players against your fellow, fellow drafters.

Oh, okay. Got it. So it's kind of like all those really bad you have $5 to start your team, your NDA team. It's in that vicinity. It's in that vein. It's a Jason. Okay. Yeah.

No, I got no objections. because I generally don't care. We're years away from trying that with this league. Good. And a reminder that I didn't know the rules well into last season. You know, so this year, I know the rules. There was, I remember it was 62 yards. I don't remember who it was,

but it was a 62 yard touchdown, catch and, yeah, catch and run. And then you were flabbergasted. You were like, how is that 13.2 points? I don't understand. It's like, well, touchdown. 62 yards, 6.2 and he caught the ball and we're in a PPR league. So it gets to 13.2 in a hurry.

And you were like, wow. Points per reception. It's the best. That's the best. Points per reception. Singular. So I have a quick idea before we rifle fantasy 2021 questions at you.

Why can't we make a defensive line fantasy kind of like thing with sacks, pressures, hits, like literally a separate league just for defensive linemen? You can play like a side league. for certain positions. Is there any steam that we could pick up there? Or is that just a dead thing that nobody's ever talked about? No one's ever talked about a defense only league. That'd be an interesting one. But you can do it by the way. I mean yeah, because they have IDP leagues

which is individual defensive players. So like instead of picking like a team defense, you could pick like individual players. And so you could set it up actually where like you X out all the offensive players and only go with defensive guys. I love it. And just, Just do a just, just do a defensive only fantasy league. That would be a first though, I think. That would be awesome because think about all the things you have to take into consideration. Okay, like, hey, the best defensive line in the league is playing, but they're playing. I don't know.

Tom Brady and Tom's going to get the ball out. You know, like there's just little, it's not as simple as, hey, I've got Von Miller playing this weekend and I'm going to pick him up. It's just like anything else. You have to triangulate how the game's going to go. And I just feel like the defensive linemen don't get on. enough love in the fantasy football. We probably don't want it, thinking back to how it was in the locker

when guys were like, they're fucking sending me death threats about their fantasy leagues. Like, we don't want that. But I would love as a fan to have a defensive league. You were a part of one of my rosters in an IDP league once upon a time. It's just not. It lasts a couple weeks. Yeah, I'm sure you cut me. You go first.

What do you have for James Coe? Okay. How deep is this draft this year? Typically we talk about a top four or a top seven. How many guys do you think are, are blue chipper, no doubters this year? I mean, here's the problem for me is that I'm kind of a psychopath about this and that like most everybody's going running back with like the first seven picks.

And I just don't feel that confident about it. You know, like hey, like I love Dalvin Cook, right? But this man has an injury history going all the way back to high school. Alvin Camara is going to be part of an offense that right now looks like a dumpster fire, right? Derek Henry has 850 touches. That's no cap. 850 catches over the past two seasons, which is just unbelievable. Zeke Elliott, again, is another player who, I mean, I'm buying into the training camp. I've look in all these videos, but I'm just saying like the man has a lot of mileage, right? So, man, there's a lot of guys that are going early that I'm a little.

little bit concerned about in terms of injury or scenario. But listen, beyond that, though, like honestly, there's probably a good, like, eight to nine guys that you could feel extremely confident in producing this year. All those guys that I, you know, listed as having red flags are still blue chippers, as you mentioned, Macon. And then you throw in the, the wide receivers like Devante Adams, Tyree Kill. I think Travis Kelsey sneaking up there into that positional, you know, God mode too. So I mean there's eight or nine guys easy right off the top that you feel really confident about. Who's the quarterback that you know you might take a flyer on early and feel good about reaching for? I think most guys are going to either take a flyer on Patrick Mahomes. Look, that revamped

offensive line he's going to have all day long. And two, I kind of sort of like his situation in the fact that he plays in a division. I think that's going to put up some points. Right. So I think he's going to be kind of forced into. a few more shootouts. And the one thing about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, man, they don't mind piling it up. They really don't. So I think Patrick Mahomes probably your safest bet going early.

But man, I tell you what, Josh Allen right on his heels, right on his heels. Aaron Rogers, as you will remember, quarterback the houses to a championship last year. Maybe the third mention or so.

Tough for you. Are you buying, okay, Aaron Rogers. We both won. Neither of us were on the billboard. Aaron Rogers, Devante, this is the last dance. I'm going to set the league on fire, or is he on a decline?

Because he's in most rankings, I don't know, five to eight range with guys like Kyler Murray ahead of him, Dak Prescott ahead of him. What's your gut tell you on, as we refer to him on this pot, unfortunately. Aaron Razors. A-Rod. There are I think Aaron Rogers is in line for a solid season. I mean, this is a man that just piled up the touchdowns last year, no doubt. But prior to last year, though, he wasn't decline. And I, I would, you know, venture out to say there wasn't a single legitimate fantasy analyst who had

him as a top five quarterback. There might not have been a guy who had him as a top seven quarterback last year, honestly. So certainly he came kind of sort of out of nowhere to surprise and put in a great performance and MVP, you know, season, obviously, but can he do it again, you know? And that's kind of sort of the question. I don't know, man. Like, who am I to doubt Aaron Rogers at this point? But honestly, I do know that prior to last year, he was in a decline. And that was pretty obvious. So I don't know, man. That might have been the coaching. Maybe he's now, you know, real comfortable in the Leflore system. I don't know, man. It's really, really difficult to say. I think you're in the, I think you're in a good spot because like you should doubt him because if you're right,

you're right. And if you're wrong and he mentions you, that would be pretty fucking cool to, to hear that Aaron Rogers was motivated by James Coe. So I say fire away. All right, fuck it, man. Rogers, the bottom 10 quarterback in fantasy. Okay, you heard it here.

Burn the ships. Sequan Barkley, right, sitting right here in my notes. Okay, like superstar, it's going to be, you know, you're a Giants fan. it's going to be provocative to pick him up and and all that. But like is we were talking about running backs earlier. Does he concern you? What's his ceiling? Well, I think what really concerns me is the fact that they're not giving us very much

positive news in a time period, Chris, where football players always give you a lot of positive news. You know what I'm talking about? Like this is best shape of my life season, bro. Like and all of a sudden, Sequin's talking about, well, let's take it easy. I don't know if I'm going to be ready for week one. The coaching staff is far from glowing in terms of the reports regarding Seekwant's health. So that's what makes me concerned.

And we have seen his, you know, ADP drop, his stock dropped from like the second overall pick all the way down to like 10, 12, right? So there is certainly a discount right now with Saquan Barkley. If he ends up being healthy, hell, if he ends up being healthy for like 14 games, let's say he misses three, but he's good for 14. That's still a hell of a bargain that you're getting him at the 10 to 12 spot. Antonio Gibson, that's somebody I'm really excited about. Is that right? Well, I want to give you my big board away. Yeah, another house member from Lashire.

Well, the way you, yeah, well, the way you just looked, you kind of panicked, because you think maybe I'm infringing on your turf. But I wonder how high people are going to reach for him. Man, Chris, you know you have been playing some decent fantasy football. If you're talking about Antonio Gibson and you're hyping them up because my God, man, like, the fantasy football inside community, like we love Antonio. He's a pass catcher. You guys play PPR. And with Ryan Fitzpatrick there, again, man, like that that offense is going to be off and running. Like I love the addition to Curtis Samuel too, but for me, give me Antonio Gibson all day long. I think that offense is going to move. I think the defense in that division is trash, basically. And look, Washington, man, they're going to pile up the points. And I love a running back in a good offense. And that's what Antonio Gibson is. What about the annoying running backs by committees, the San Francisco's going to be the,

yeah, the New England's. Are you buying into any individuals with that setup? All of it. Like, give me all of the guys in San Francisco. The Shanahan run system is the best in the league. And McVeigh's probably a close second, but after that there's a big drop off. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I get Stefansky's doing his thing in Cleveland, but those two guys are incredibly talented. Like, give me Nick Chubb in. a shanahan system that dude's putting up 2,000 yards you know what I'm talking about um and shanahan system to me is is the best in the NFL so um tray sermon Rahe moster i don't care who you go with hell and redraft you can go with both baby like let's go like i'm all in on kyle shanahan

system and then you talk about new england i think damien harris is a special player yeah i really do um and yeah there's going to be certain games when bill bellichick mixes it up and damien harris isn't going to be as big as part of the game plan as we would like. But man, if Cam Newton is the starter, this is going to be a run-heavy system. Even if he's not a starter, we're talking about a rookie quarterback. It's going to be a run-heavy system anyways, you know. And Damien Harris is a talented player. So for me, I like Damien Harris.

Not as much in PPR, obviously, because his past catching work is going to be somewhat limited with the specter of James White looming. But, I mean, I don't know, man. Give me Damien Harris. Give me the talent. Give me Bill Belichick. And let's go. speaking of that um deion lewis just retired

specter of uh of uh of our short running backs in new england catching uh swing passes i had to mention that but like damien harris is going to be helped because i mean like no matter what new england has uncharacteristically had to play such a lack of complimentary football because of the way you know cams health or whatever it was last year they couldn't get the the intermediate passing game going they couldn't really get the deep ball going with any consistent and see even if they're a run first offense having some stability whether it's from an improved cam or a mac jones who looked really good we just got done you know putting him in the hall of fame earlier like that's what everybody's doing this weekend um it's going to be better for damien

harris how about julio jones you were talking about julio jones earlier you said what make that he's way low but same player is that the big conundrum for you if you're looking at him on your big board. Well, I agree about the drop-off, in part because of injury concerns, and then you have more competition in Tennessee, but Calvin Ridley's up there in top 5, 6, 7 of a lot of lists, and maybe that's the answer to the question. He's not dealing with Julio, and Julio's dealing with more talent in Tennessee. But it seems like the drop-off has been precipitous. That was the word. For Julio. Yes, that's the word. This year. Are you, a buyer sell on Julio Jones this year.

I think with where Julio is going, I'm a buy. You know, I don't think there has been, I don't think there's much of a drop off, honestly. Look, I do a lot of work with, uh, with my, with my buddy Matt Harmon and, uh, and we talk about a lot of wide receivers. He's got this metric called success rate. Um, and he measures every single route, right? But he also measures what kind of coverage.

And success rate versus man, Julio Jones is still right there. He's still one of the best in the league. You know what I mean? Like he's still in the 80th percentile of players all time in terms of success rate versus man. So his drop off is is slight, but we're talking about like God mode to now just an extremely good player. Yeah. You know, so I think the competition for targets with AJ Brown there in Tennessee is real. And it's not a super high volume passing attack. But man, I tell you what, play action with.

What y'all going to do defenses against the Tennessee offense, bro? like you got Derek Henry on the ground you got Ryan Tanniel he's got some wheels and he can sling it you got one guy I mean you got shack and Alonzo out there yeah on the wide receiver edges you know what I'm saying like who you're gonna guard bro like I don't know like what are safety's gonna do you're gonna go single high safety look against Julio and AJ Brown good luck like I don't know how you're gonna do it man so um in terms of opportunity I don't think he's gonna see like 150 160 targets like he had seen in in Atlanta but hell even with like like 120 targets because honestly who else is there it's a j brown and hoo leo jones those guys are

going to see like 85% of the targets you know what i mean um 120 targets for Julio jones and single coverage good night like sign me up for that all day long and they lost uh davis uh down there so yeah cori davis they're gonna they're gonna have a lot of footballs coming their way and yeah you asked how miserable it would to be like if i had to show up and like get zapped into a uniform today and play defensive line, that might be a bottom three offense that I want to play because they can hurt you in a million ways. And not to mention that quarterback is relatively athletic. But yeah, it's going to be fun watching Tennessee this year. How about an overdraft? Who do you think is going to be the guy that is the biggest, I hate the word bus, but it's

fantasy. So who's the biggest bust this year that you see coming a mile away? Man, you know what's funny, Chris? Like there's been a movement among fantasy analysts to kind of get away from, first of all, like fantasy owners, like we're trying to transition down to fantasy managers. And then the other one, too, it's like, uh, not saying bus, but like, who's going to be a disappointment? That's so interesting. You guys are trying to make that move. I get the owner's thing. The bus thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, we don't take it personally at all. I never, of course, had the footballer was on anybody's fantasy team except for Macon's. But I, yeah, no, I, so who's going to be the biggest disappointment this year?

You know what, man? I am not really feeling Dalvin Cook this year. And I think for me, it's mostly the injuries. I think he's a fabulous player. Obviously when this dude gets to the outside, he's magic, you know? But there's been some turnover there, you know, and the coaching staff, obviously.

And you would imagine they're going to run the same system. You know, it's Gary Kubiak's kid that's now running it over there in Minnesota. But so it's going to be a lot of the same concepts outside zone and when dalvin cook gets outside like i said he's electric you know but i think the injury concerns is a real thing for dalvin you know he's had shoulder issues he's had lower body ailments and and again just an injury history going all the way back to high school now last year he he stayed relatively healthy but man i'll tell you what i'll play i'll play the numbers and i think dalvin might be a little bit more banged up uh this year and again i'm not i'm not

totally in love with the coaching staff either. So, yeah, he's one player that I'm kind of sort of looking at. I think Joe Mixon is another one. Like, this is a guy that's going in the late second round. And mixing, it's funny, man. There's a lot of Joe Mixing truthers out there, you know. Truth. There have been people that have told me that Joe Mixon is the best running back in the NFL. If he could just get this and if he could just get that, Joe Mixon would set the world on fire. And like, and I'm like, guys, guys, how many years has been? You know, like when this dude first came into the league, he was being outplayed by G. O'Bernard.

Like, stop it. You know what I mean? Like at this point, I'm just out. You know, I think Cincinnati's O line, probably one of the five worst in the NFL. Joe Mixon, you know, again, is the talent level there? It certainly could be. He just hasn't shown it, you know? And so how many years do we have to keep doing this before we say, hey, listen, he's probably

a good player, probably not a great player. We're probably overdrafting him here in the second round. He ain't Nick Chubb. And listen, Joe Mixon is a really good player. And I think that's, I appreciate people looking out for people in bad markets on bad teams. But I mean, Joe Mixon is not the best running back in the NFL. The tight in position. If Kelsey, Waller and Kittle are off the board, who do you like most in that,

at that position where it can, shoot, it can swing leagues? Yeah, it really can. And honestly, if you're not getting. one of those top three guys, you probably just wait. You know, I think Kyle Pitts is in a league of his own. Don't write that down. Don't write that down. Don't take no problem. No problem. Kyle Pitts is like in a tier of his own. You know, it's like the big three, Kelsey Waller Kittle. And then Pitts is like his own like tier, you know, because you know he's going to get looks, but he's a rookie. So and it's a slow developing position, the tight end position is in the NFL.

But he's a fantastic pass catcher. We already know this. He's super athletic. And now with Huli Joe Jones gone, what else are we really looking at in terms of target competition, right? Like not much, not much. So I would imagine Kyle Pitts is probably going to see, you know, north of 100 targets, maybe close to 120 targets, which would just be astronomical for a rookie tight end. But if we're not going there, golly, man, I would probably wait. Like Mark Andrews, T.J. Hawkinson, these guys scare me a little bit. Dallas Goddard, I'm not in love with. I put him as a sleeper knowing nothing about fantasy football. With Dallas Goddard?

Yeah, listen. We would love to be all in on Dallas Goddard. Yeah. But like my dude, Zach Earts still is there. I know. I mean, it is still getting looks. Carson's not there anymore. So I feel like his looks go down, especially considering he's going to be,

it's a contract year for him. And I don't think they've made any indication that they want to keep me around. So I feel like maybe in my simpleton NFL player brain, outside of like a fantasy scope. I'm thinking maybe he gets a lot of targets because if you ask people up there and Zach Hertz is an awesome player, Dallas Goddard's just as good at this stage in his career.

And Jalen Hertz and him might have some real chemistry. That's a question that's going to be answered this year. So same thing. I'm looking at Jono Smith, who, yeah, I'm biased. I love John O. Smith as a football player. Up there, a security blanket. They like the tight ends up there. It's been some years since they've had tight ends

that you could depend on. Maybe they just OD on John Huss Smith. how far off would I be on Jonu? The problem with Jonu and I love Johnu for that system and I love them for that team. The only problem is what's up with Hunter Henry? Like is this guy going to play? Is he going to be

the pass catching option? Is Bill going to kind of divvy up those tight end targets like he does with running backs where if they're ahead, you know they're going to get Damien Harris. If they're behind, you know you're going to get James White. Is it the same situation where if they're ahead, you're going to see a lot of Jonu Smith and if they're behind, you're going to see a lot

more Hunter Henry who's a move tight end like that's an interesting question i mean it's one that i've struggled with thinking about how they play these two guys just as you laid out i just know that one of them has had in hunter henry some injury issues in the past true and i'm thinking to myself that's a physical place to play football there will be days when hunter's dinged and i think that bill if i had to guess is going to fall in love with both of them but john new smith is going to be right up his alley and was really good in the red zone really good in the red zone so yeah it's like a total gamble you don't know but the upside could be huge.

The downside could be, you know, it's boom or disappointment. You guys take it back. See, great game I've just developed. Three names. Pick one, James. Yeah. PPR. Chris Carson, Miles Sanders or Josh Jacobs?

Oh, Chris Carson by a mile. I think he's, I have loved Chris Carson since day one. Superior athlete. I mean, like we're talking video game terms. Like his truck stick is unbelievable. Unbelievable, bro. Like, come on, you know. Nice. His truck stick is nice. Dude, his truck stick is nice, boy. And like, let me tell you, like Seattle's offense, you know, like sign me out for that.

Like, this is the thing with fantasy football guys when we're talking about the running back position. You want running backs in good offenses, period. Like, you know what I mean? Like talking about a guy who's going to get a lot of volume in a bad offense, like I'm, I'm over it, you know? Like, give me a guy. I don't know how many touches Chris Carson is going to get. But like, let's say he gets like 15 a night in that Seattle offense. Like yeah, give me that. Give me all of that, you know what I mean? So, and again, I think fabulous athlete, he's a better pass catcher than advertised too.

And his only thing is, can he stay healthy? You know, he's gotta stay healthy. Chris Carson of Biloxi, Mississippi. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Hello. Hello, we just shouted those guys out last pod. Miles Sanders, I love him to death,

but what you said is true, you know, we don't know if it's a bad offense I would take the back in the well-oiled machine. Is that a one-round game? It's a two-round game. Two rounds, and then we'll let James go. Okay. Adam Thielen, Chris Godwin,

Tyler Lockett. This one's a tough one. It really is. We're talking about three secondary options. Oh, wow, that one's tough. Great secondary options, too. Great. I mean, yeah, fantastic secondary options.

And actually, the funny thing is you pick three. three guys who play primarily in the slot, which is really interesting to me. Um, because normally I, if you gave me three guys and one guy, I'm stalling here, but if you gave me one guy who's like an X receiver, maybe I, I lean towards the X. Yeah. But since these guys all plays primarily in the slot, you know what, man, I will go with the good, I mean, uh, I will go with Chris Godwin. I think, I think the, I think the chemistry in the off season can be built a little bit better this year between Godwin. and Tom Brady.

Yep. And even though Antonio Brown is coming back and is going to be in the mix and is certainly going to garner a lot of targets, we have seen before that Tom Brady has at times favored a guy in the slot. And he's never played with a guy as good in the slot as Chris Godwin. Never. And so I think there might be a little bit of an upside move there with Chris Godwin this year. That's interesting.

And Adam Thielen comes in 30. for you kind of an afterthought yeah probably there you know um i don't want to put him in a plexiglass box or anything but he is a slot guy well yeah i mean they try to kick him outside too a little bit and i don't think it worked that great but um you know his his major problem and again this is according to to my guy matt harmon and in his reception perception research but just he hasn't been great against man coverage and he's been really bad against press coverage too right so um when you try to kick outside it doesn't work as well he's great against zone great against zone but not really a man beater and and for me like tyler locket he's got like some kind of weird mind meld with with with

with russ right so um give me that upside all day long um i know he's disappointed you know you know on a week to week basis but overall season long numbers he's been fantastic give me chris godwin tyler locket close one two and then adam the third the legendary james co one of my faves james where where can we catch you this fall? You can catch all my stuff on Twitter and actually I'm trying to build up my YouTube page a little bit too but it's all whatever it is, social media handle slash James D. Co.

And you can find me there. We got a James Co. YouTube coming. Next Gen stats. Whiz. Love me some James Co. James, come back again when I'm in first place midseason and I'll glowed a little bit. No doubt, baby.

Let's do it. All right, dude. Thanks, James. We can talk about a kind bar. It's drizzled. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You want to talk about kind bars? You know, I had a, just had a kind bar.

I had a, I had an oat, oat bite read, oat bite. Yeah, it was an oat bite. Oat. Last week I had a, they called it Gatorade. Oh, bite? Last week I had a, hi, Max. I had an oat bite. And this week I had a kind bar out of the kindness of.

Cowboy Reed's crunchy ass heart. This is a drizzled... Can I tell you something? Bar. Can I tell you something? Please. I do not like kind bars. Oh, I don't either. But thank you, Reed. No offense to you. That's why I went with the oat bite first last week. Hey, Bobos makes some good stuff.

Yeah. You just got to get the really tiny ones because they're loaded with sugar. Oh, geez. But you like sugar. Hey, listen, after we left the studio last week, or after we wrapped the Gatorade taste test, Makin is sitting here smiling like a Cheshire cat and he's like

this is amazing I've never felt anything like this before it's just sugar it was eye opening you go out this is like drugs there is a happy person somewhere underneath this hard exterior but there was a moment there where I thought that you were going to just run out in the street

and do drugs because you felt like it was drugs sugar was drugs to you well by the time I got to my motor vehicle I was shaking I was coming down from the sugar high, and that's when I realized this is why we don't do drugs. Gatorway, Gatorway drug. Gatorway drug. Yep.

It's a Gatorway drug. You drink cool 64 ounces of Gatorade, 128 grams of sugar, and it's practically a meth-bethamphetamines. All right, well, without further ado, you know what's coming next. Hell yeah. A guest, okay?

We've got Shannon Furman. Shannon Furman has worked a very long time in NFL films. and she is now the head honcho director extraordinaire. She's making the thing you know is Hard Knocks happen every week. And we are so thankful. We're excited to meet her. So we've got Shannon Furman here, director of Hard Knocks.

She's done 18 years with NFL films. She was assistant director from 2015 to 2017. And now she is the head honcho, 2018 to present. Shannon, how are you? I'm doing well. How about you guys? We're doing great. You know, a lot of the reason we're doing great is because we've gotten to watch y'all's show.

I mean, like, we talked about it for a solid 30 minutes the other day. I feel like it's just a great primer for the real stuff. And I think every year, even football players, I used to sit in my hotel room. We were saying this last week late at night and watch and see what was going on and everybody else's little bubble. So as far as, like, when you guys map this thing out, one of the most interesting things is the way the characters emerge or don't emerge, I feel like. and for a character not to emerge, you know, that character is just being himself.

So maybe he's just not as electric as you guys expected. But do you guys kind of like flowchart which players you think will be the most interesting? And then how do you make the in-flight adjustments? Yeah, we have a big meeting kind of like before we come to camp or whatever year, you know, different times each year depending on when we find out who's doing the show. And we research everyone on the team. We stalk, we stalk y'all's Instagram. We figure out kind of what everybody's interested in off the field, their background on the field.

And we kind of, we have guys who we're targeting. But then a lot ends up being based on what happens in games. If there's big plays being made in games, we do try to highlight those people. So the games will dictate a lot of that. But we do go into it with a good idea of who we kind of want to feature. And then the games kind of narrow it down even more for us. How would you rate Zeke Elliott's present wrapping? I mean, it was one of my favorite scenes we've probably ever done.

I just was like smiling from ear to ear the whole time. We were doing that with him and then even afterwards. So I actually think he did better than the final product was better looking than I expected it to be. Like during the process, one of my camera guys actually had to tell me to stop talking because I just wanted to like jump in there and help him wrap the present. They were like Shannon, shut up, let him just do it. So, but yeah, actually the final product, as goofy as it looked while he was doing it, it didn't look that terrible when he was all finished. If Micah Parsons didn't go to Penn State, would he be featured as prominently this year on hard knocks?

I do not hate Penn State. We've got a nitty line here on the horn. Well, I did have a head start with Micah because I also do a show at films called Hey Rookie. So he was one of the four rookies that we featured leading up to the draft this year. And Micah's good TV. So we knew him and he had a familiarity with working with NFL films. So he was definitely on our radar early on. But yes, he did have a slight unfair advantage in my relationship with him.

That's a good. That's a good nugget there. I didn't know Shannon was a Penn State or no. Oh, I do my prep. Well, I do my prep too. and I'm wondering, I've been hearing that like sometimes you guys have cameras hit out and like smoke detectors and stuff. Like what is that she's laughing? Was that, is that like a little bit of an urban legend or like how, how, how kind of, I don't know, tiny can these cameras be?

Well, they're not tiny. You know if they're there. Okay. You know if they're there. So guys are exaggerating. Yes. I mean, I wish we were that interesting. Even here at Cowboys Camp, it's been kind of funny because, you know, we just moved back to Dallas.

So we were in Oxnard. And everyone would say to me, well, like, don't you just have a camera in every single room? And I'm like, no. Okay. So that's a myth. Yeah. Like, we have a lot of them. But we do end up half to like pick and choose.

Like we don't have every single position group. But, uh, and some of the rooms we have multiple cameras in. So like in the staff room or the team room, we have two and three cameras. So it's not every. single room has a camera in it. And we'd like, I think one of the days, even like the team video staff was asking me, they're like, well, don't you just have like microphones like everywhere? And I'm like, no, it doesn't work like that.

You can't just put a microphone and expect like something to happen on it. So it is planned out. And there's a lot of them, but not, it's not everywhere. There's still some privacy. You only had one camera and you had to put it in a meeting room, which position group yields the most interesting content in your opinion. The D-line is usually, probably our biggest group of characters. They're going to be featured this week just as a preview for you guys for tomorrow night,

but the D-line is definitely featured this week in the show. But, yeah, I feel like it's usually D-Line and receivers. They're the top two. No doubt about it. Logistically, how does this show come together? because last week, for instance, and this is the case every year, but the Cowboys play a game on Sunday, the show is released on Tuesday.

You have Leev Schreiber, who I don't think is on site with you guys. Do you have any sense for how much footage you actually have and how painstaking it must be to condense it into an hour show on short notice? Yeah, I mean, we usually say we shoot about 400 hours for every hour that's on TV. The first episode is even more so,

because especially this year, we were there, I think, for 21 days before we had an episode that aired. So our game was on Thursday last week, which is that makes all the editors at home very happy because they had from Thursday until Tuesday. And then they practiced against the Rams on Saturday, but we knew that that Rams practice was for show too. There was like no way unless something super crazy had happened

that was like national news like i mean even the aaron donald and kind of williams fight like it was like i know that was all over everything but we were like we're holding this until next week because we knew we had so much for show one but um so yeah so that was a thursday game which is nice for those people that edit at home and then lea v narrates i believe he's doing it at nine a m east coast time on tuesday morning so he does it the day the show airs wow um and yeah i think it's yeah because it was six a m last week when i was on pacific time time that he did it. So it is kind of like, we usually say our deadline is like Saturday night at 10 p.m. kind of everything we've captured up until Saturday, unless it's like national

news and we have to get it in. I think like the latest thing we ever got into the show was at Raiders camp when Antonio Brown, I think he did this to us twice. I think he came back to camp twice like on a Tuesday morning and we were like, okay, we got to get this in. So you're just kind of in constant communication with the people back at home letting them know that this is happening and This is what they, you know, have to get in. And we call it, like, we break cards. So everything's shot on these cards. And, like, I'd have people follow him for, like, five minutes.

They'd break their card. Then another group would kind of come on and, like, follow him. And then just so that we could kind of keep feeding the footage home in real time. So they could edit that and get it in the show as quickly as possible. But that's probably the latest something being shot and actually ending up in the show happened was Antonio returning to camp on a Tuesday morning around 1030 West Coast time it was. How about Aaron Donald's fight? You mentioned that. So you're saying that's going to be, you're going to get more close up. So that skirmish next week on hard knocks. This tonight as you're listening. Yeah, that'll be, yeah, for this week's show. So and that wasn't the only one. There was a couple little, nothing major happened. They were all pretty well behaved at that practice. But there was definitely a couple little instances that broke out there. So that will all be featured. There's always fights in Oxnard. There's always fights Dallas and L.A. or St.

Louis, there was always fights. What about like the worst fight you guys have actually taped over the years? I mean, the worst one was probably my first year in Houston when they went to, Washington. They went to Richmond for, yeah, Washington. I remember that one. And it was, I mean, it was raining that day. So we're all like in ponchos and we have like wires hanging off of us. And then this like, I mean, I remember seeing a helmet go like flying by my head like real close. That was probably more so because like I just felt like I was like trapped in this plastic bag and had wires. coming out everywhere. But that was definitely the worst one that I've been that close to. Is it, is it hard? I mean, obviously it's tough to do this and there's probably a dance and an

art to doing it respectfully, but the cut days. I mean, you know, how does that work? Does everybody just sign off on, hey, my worst moment's going to be possibly on hard knocks? And do you guys ever kind of have to edit responsibly as to not leave some things in that are very personal. Yeah, I mean, we like to like a moment like that. Like, I think we like to work with the players and the team on stuff like that. Like we hate it just as much as any. Like, I mean, we become friends with everybody that's on this show. So it's like, I think like my worst year, like in Cleveland, we had like the greatest fourth

game with the, it was the Browns and the Lions. And like you had like Brogan throwing touchdowns. And then Nate Orchard like had an interception like a bad. a batted pass that he intercepted and he returned and like all of our long shot characters played this great game and then 12 hours later getting cut and it's like the craziest feeling you go from like this ridiculous high like watching these guys and like knowing you're going to put together this awesome show and then they're losing their jobs the next day so I think like in our heads like we're hoping that all these people are going to get another job and we can help them with that we can

help get them exposure and help get them more tape that's out there I mean that's always been my goal is like hopefully and we want to show that too. So this year we actually have more time to show things like that if it happens because the cuts have been moved up this year. So hopefully we'll be able to like follow guys that we might be following who get let go to another team. But I think we like we like happy endings. So we're hoping that we can get a happy ending for most of these players on another

squad if that's possible, anyone who does get cut. That's interesting. I like to find guys who are making the team honestly. Yeah, no, no doubt about it. I'd rather pick a bubble player who. is going to make the team, then get cut from the team. I mean, even like again, another Penn State guy, Jason Cabinda, he was a guy we added at Raiders camp

kind of because we were worried. We didn't have anyone making the team. And so we wanted someone who was like, we thought was definitely making the team. And then he ended up getting released too. And it was like, oh, God, why is this happening? So, but they all found jobs. I mean, I think like most of the guys that we've followed

that were like long shot characters on this show have at least gotten another job right away. off of Hard Knocks. Devin Kajus might have been the only one who didn't, who was the tight end in Cleveland, but he was the guy that was excelling gems and things like that. And I'm pretty sure he has like a whole holistic health business now. I remember that.

He was the Gioed guy. Yeah. And now I think I saw his Instagram recently, and I think he's got like a whole business like doing stuff like that. You guys helped him, you know, work on his, he's got like an energy healing business or something. And is there a blanket release contract along the lines of what you're talking about, Chris, that everybody just knows that everything's on tape?

Or do you have players, coaches, front office guys covering mics and covering up cameras? Or can they say, does anybody have veto power on that just can't get out? I mean, I guess they could. We've never really had that happen. Everybody's a little different, I would say, like in how they want it covered and what we do with. that but I feel like in this day and age at this point and it's gotten a little bit easier because there's just so much stuff out there anymore between like documenting things on social media stuff like that like the Raiders year was a little bit more of a struggle because

Mike Mayock really didn't want any of that out there but I mean I did have Jason Cabinda tell me afterwards he was happy that he got to see his conversation with his defensive coordinator on TV afterwards and he felt like he got to defend himself about why he thought he should have made the team. So that was an interesting perspective, at least for me to hear, like coming from a player saying that he was glad he saw himself on TV, like defending himself essentially. But yeah, that was probably the only time where we were like a little bit worried we weren't going to be able to finish telling guys stories. But we tried to be as respectful as possible with all of that and work with everybody to make them at least feel comfortable with it.

I talked about the cameras earlier. I'm bouncing around a little bit. But the cameras that you guys probably use their top of the line. I want to ask about slow motion because I think the usage of that is just like it's like the other day. People complain about the Hall of Fame game because the quality of play. But when you guys close that

show with slow motion, I couldn't tell if I was looking at Gail Sayers and like Lawrence Taylor, they might as well have been that caliber of player because of the use of slow motion. How do you guys decide when and how much and what are the keys? to using that?

I mean, we have the luxury of there's a lot of cameras out there. So to cover one of these games, we are probably shooting anywhere from 10 to 12 cameras covering the game. So we have two slow motion cameras on each sideline. So essentially, we're not missing any touchdown from either side of the field. And we have that every single week. I honestly don't think we use enough of our slow motion stuff anymore because I think that's what makes us different than everybody else. So I was happy when they came up with that idea. It was kind of because, like you said, the game,

we hadn't established many characters yet last week who were going to play in that game. So I think that was an interesting and a different technique. And that's actually the people at home that decide that. So like I have a team of like 36 producers, directors, coordinators here with me in Dallas. And then there's a whole other group of people back in New Jersey. And that was a call that they made. I mean, like an hour before kickoff, I think they texted me and said, think about this. It's something that we might end up doing. And then they did end up like pulling that

off. So it was pretty cool. But yeah, I mean, there's going to be a sequence this week. We used a camera called the Phantom camera, which like my camera operators can speak more too. But that's really like slow motion. It's how the open. I don't know if you guys, the way the open looked and things are like ramped up and then slowed down, we are going to be using that more to cover some of the practice stuff this week. And it looks pretty cool. Was Jerry Jones eating them? I know you can't possibly say it was a McGritle for sure. But was that a dry-ass McGritle that one of the richest people in America was eating? Maybe. That's confirmation. Maybe. That was an endearing moment for for Gerra. That was a mojo moment. That was a mojo moment. What about micing players up? Because like that's got to be difficult.

Like we're big sweaty guys and shoulder pads hitting each other. How do they stay in place? Are there guys that are kind of like resistant to it? Because I was always kind of resistant to getting miced up on Sundays. And, you know, I wonder if it's the same thing for hard knocks. I mean, the guys on the Cowboys have been pretty good so far. I'm not sure that we've had anybody decline a wire yet this year. We'll usually get some here and there. But it's different depending on what y'all are wearing. If you have pads on or shells on, there's a different technique to it. So we do like every jersey has like a pouch zone in and they're able to kind of like put it on the back so that you shouldn't even really know it's there technically.

And that's like when you're wearing shells. If you're wearing pads, the guys go in super early. And I mean, it's like kind of crazy. They use all this like foam stuff. And again, shouldn't know it's there.

Like Tyron Smith was miced one day and he couldn't find it. And he's like, is it on here? I can't tell if it is. I think it might be. They do a pretty great job with it now. I mean, like when I got in the league,

it was more intensive than it is now. just incredible in 10, 12 years. What about favorite moments for you personally over the show since you've joined? Like there have to be a few that stick out. Yeah, I mean, my favorite show, the Texans was my first year really. Like I did the Jets one on location for a couple of weeks, but the Texans one was the first one where I was like the assistant director. Again, the Penn State connection with Bill O'Brien. That was fun. I think like one of my all-time favorite moments was probably when Charles James scored a touchdown against New Orleans, he was a guy, he was a corner. And they had been practicing him at running back because Ariane Foster got hurt.

And they didn't want to bring in anybody else. So they kind of were just were transitioning this corner for the rest of the preseason to play running back. And I had like kind of like jokingly mentioned to, to coach O'Brien, I think it was my birthday, too. I had mentioned like, oh, can you put Charles in at running back thinking he'd like laugh at me? and he said something like, if we're up by two scores, like I'll put him in at running back. And then I start hearing with like five minutes left. I think they're up like 17.

I'm not sure, but with like four minutes left, I start hearing like over my headphones, like, get me Charles. And I'm like, oh my God, is this really going to happen? Is he going to do this?

And so he does. He's like, he puts him in the game. And then you're like, well, whatever, he's probably just going to get like tackled and nothing's going to happen. And he ends up running for this like 70, 80 yard touchdown.

They call it back because of a holding penalty, but like we're able to make it. It looked like the guy just won the Super Bowl on a touchdown that wasn't even a real touchdown. And then afterwards, like, he gets the game ball. Bill O'Brien gave him the finger on the bus ride out. It was just a really awesome way to end that show and just stands out for me because of kind of how it all went down. Oh, that's great. Is your birthday August 29th?

There you go with the birthday thing. It's the 30th, but we'll pretend it's the 29th. So maybe I can get a favor in the Jaguars game. Well, we're wishing you a happy birthday. We're big birthday people here. Hey, you know how you can do like a immediate. clip montage. If we say something interesting about Dax's most recent MRI, it's it's Monday afternoon right now. Could we potentially make Tuesday night show if it's really compelling?

She's right there. There's green buckets behind her with wires and stuff. She's in the lab. It would have to be really interesting at this point because the show is pretty much done. Maybe next week. He might have the same injury. Yeah, you might. Oh, my torn labrum. Well, we don't know. We don't want to spend. speculate. Yeah, because it's not a setback and it's not a reason to worry. It's not a reason to worry. Cowboys Twitter said that. Hey, what do you remember about a guy named William Hayes? I remember that he doesn't believe in dinosaurs. There he is. He's right over making shoulder right there. This is our next to each other. One another, we did all or nothing with the Rams that year.

We stayed and documented the whole season and we went and bought a Christmas tree with him, which was probably one of the top 10 funny. moments of my career with him and his children at the Christmas tree farm. His kids are amazing and he's one of the funniest people you'll ever meet. Inside or outside of football. And you guys did a great job of highlighting that. He ended up on like some of the late shows because of y'all. He got to go to like the dinosaur museum and convince people that they're not real and such. So I don't know.

You got anything else for Shannon? Could go for days on Mojo moments. You were talking about Mojo moments. I don't know if Shannon wants to speak on Mojo moments. I'm curious, do you think Coach McCarthy thinks that Mojo is momentum? Is there any clarity? Are we going to see another Mojo moment on Tuesday night? We're going to get more Mojo moments.

Have they stopped? They haven't stopped. They're still doing them at practice. Oh, good. I don't know that it's going to be in the show again this week, but maybe we'll visit again in a later show. We'd love to put in a word for Mojo moments. We need more.

you need more you like the mojo moment yeah that would have been the thing that would have got me really you know us motivated to work out there in that heat mid late 30s we see austin powers and we're did it dude yeah i was like what i was like what's going on here um no yeah that that's this has been awesome i mean like literally what you guys do is amazing because i know we struggled to turn a podcast around in 24 hours you guys are like the unsung heroes behind the the curtain. So we thank you here at Greenlight for entertaining us all August, every August. No doubt. And finally, Shannon, what color is lemon lime gator? Oh, yeah, that's good. We should ask her. It's like a greenish yellow. Yes. So it's a greenish yellow. But it's greenish though. It's a greenish,

yellow. She started with greenish. It's not a, you would be more upset if she said yellowish green. So it's a yellow. I'm just happy she said green. I'm happy that her color, what's the word that he used? that guy's a kook yeah we've been arguing here on that maybe like four parts yellow one part green you'd say she's going to say whatever she has to say to get off this podcast she's got to work man look at all those discs behind her and stuff she's got to like turn those into a tv show so i mean a sound guy has to do that not me Shannon thank you so much and actually i climbed uh killy with some of your co-workers i don't know if we have any mutual friends but uh they did a great job Hannah.

Hannah is one of my favorite people. She's the best. She just went home. I'm mad at her. She left me. Well, tell her, we said hello, and shout out to all that crew that was up there and keep up the great work. Awesome. Thank you guys.

Thanks for watching. Yeah. Thanks for putting it on. Nice to meet you. Shannon Furman. Awesome. NFL films. Our tomorrow night.

Your tonight. How exciting is that? Tonight on HBO. Hard knocks. directed, produced, everything by Shannon Furman. You should put in your name to narrate Hard Knocks next move over, Leav. Yeah. Coach Mike McCarthy is not a good coach.

Then cut, boom, into mojo moments. Out of mojo moments. Dak Prescott is injured. Boom, Dak on the sideline. Hey, let me in there, let me in there. But he doesn't want to be injured. Yeah. Owner Jerry Jones.

hasn't seen a Super Bowl in 26 years. But that's okay when you're naive. All right, let's go good, bad, ugly. Okay, you watched a movie. I did. It was called Pig with Nicholas Cage. Have either of you cats behind the curtain there seen Pig? Nope, and never even heard of it.

Hadn't either. And I was like, holy shit, my guy, Nicholas Cage is back. He's back. He's doing a movie. It looks serious. It's about a pig. Like half the preview is, Oh, it's a new film.

Nice. I want my pig. You know, like he really wants his pig. That's the, he's a truffle hunter. Drake ruined my appetite when it comes to like truffle, but he's a truffle hunter. And truffles are, I guess, like mushrooms, I suppose. Cowboy, is that true? And I have been truffle hunting.

I knew you had, bro. It is fun. I would tell you guys, there is not many more things to go truffle hunting and then eat food. with those truffles sprinkled on top. Boy, it's a good time. Can you eat them fresh out of the ground? Would you eat a truffle covered in dirt? I mean, well.

Just dirt all over your face, just munching a truffle. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it's better to wash it off. Just like in the forest. And then you shave it on top of your pasta or whatever you wanna put. Is that what booming means?

No, no, no, no, no. Like, like, like, different kind of mushrooms. Okay, got you, got you. Boomers. Boomers. Boomer sooner. Yeah. Anyways, truffles, yeah.

Living alone in the Oregon wilderness, a truffle hunter returns to Portland to find the person who stole his beloved pig. And he did love that pig. Let me tell you. It was John Wick, but with pigs. But he was a nice John Wick. He was a nice John Wick, and it took a minute. The character developed slowly, it's slow cooked.

The one negative about the movie, and I went on Reddit to expect that people would have mixed reviews about it. I thought Nicholas Cage brought it, but, you know, the fingerprints of Nicholas Cage were all over it. Some monologues that were kind of unnecessary. Oversharing the plot. One of my biggest pet peeves is when like somebody's talking to somebody who can't possibly comprehend what they're saying on a movie. It's clearly for the audience. So I thought maybe there was a little bit of plot oversharing going on. There were some like Nicholas Cage monologues that definitely had his fingerprints all over it, but a really good movie. And I thought honestly

the movie, if you've seen it, is a bit of a metaphor for Nicholas Cage's uh, career. He's back. Just as the truffle hunter went back to Portland, Nicholas Cage is back. He's done doing bad movies. It's been a decade in the woods, truffle hunting with a pig. Back.

How do you feel about exposition, which is a literary device that is meant to relay background information about a main character setting event or other element of the narrative? Oh my God. If exposition were a person, I'd do a murder.

I hate exposition. Let me fucking figure it out. Don't use your mouth to tell me what's going on. You know, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm with you. Can't stand it. Don't overshare the plot.

You know, like, when there's a mysterious character, and then you like, finally, the writers, they can't clue you in sufficiently on what that character's background is so that the person that discovers it first has to say, give you, tell the character his whole biography as if he doesn't know. Oh, you were this in 1937 and then you did this. And oh, I remember when you did this. Like, the guy knows that. You would never say that.

That's for the audience. I hate that shit. Fuck exposition. But we're still in good. Pig is a good movie. You should check it out. Nicholas Cage is back. Don't tell me.

Yeah, we'll watch the movie. Also, no hitter. Guy had a no hitter. You like no hitters? No, I don't like no hitters. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. How is that weird? Everybody throws a no hitter these days.

Everybody. Yeah, they raised the seams and spin rate and whatnot. Everybody, it was his first start, which is kind of cool. But it was his first start. They're a no-no? Ah, that used to be like twice a year or something cool. Now it's twice a week and really lame. How many no-hitters this year?

I have no idea. We are in the middle of August. I'll guess, I will guess nine. Oh, my God, dude. Nine. It's a lot of no-hitters this year. Seven, no-hitters during the 2021 MLB season. See what I'm saying?

Wow. Wow. See what I'm saying a little bit? Yeah, I see. I see. I see. Also, like Madbom had a no-hitter in a seven-inning game, so like it doesn't count. And then Tampa Bay Reyes had a combined no-hitter.

Most no-hitters in the season, 1984, it was eight. So we haven't caught 1884. Sorry. You love that. They didn't have bats yet. You would have loved to be a baseball player in 1884. fucking balls smelled because you never showered in 1884.

You go out to a restaurant to pick up some groupie and everybody smelled. Everybody. You know what I found out this weekend? You know, I don't like smelly things. You like old smelly things. No. Your favorite shit is smelly. I wish I lived in a different time and it's not because things

smelled. I found out that a King Charles Cavalier, you know those dogs? Kind of coming around on them. But back in the day, you'd see him in a bunch of Renaissance paintings. You know what they were there for? To attract the fleas because the people didn't want the fleas on them and the fleas were landing on the people because they smelled like garbage. Another one, Elizabethan era, you know those fucking collars that you probably love? I do. You love those collars. You know what they were for? Catching flies

entrapping flies so they wouldn't land on people's faces. That's called technology. Yeah, it's stupid. It's all stupid. But I've been meaning to talk to you about this for an age. And again, I maintain that you don't think everybody smells bad if you've never not known these smells. All right. So I would be fine in 1920. I guarantee of those motherfuckers smelled old spice. Right. They'd be like, what?

Or they'd be like, whoa. You think they would dislike the smell of old spice? Potentially. But I got a question for you. I've got two body washes in the old shower. They were efforting smelling not bad, but go on. My wife also has two. She's got a, what is it, a Dr.

Pete's? Mr. Pete's, Dr. Pete's, Dr. Teals, Dr. Tim, all of that. Dr. Pete's. Yep. It's teals or peats or something. Smells, smells v. good. Can I tell you what's, you go ahead. I got some method man in there.

Yeah, method man is real good, right? Yeah. It's real good. You know what's even good? Gooder. You know what's gooder? What? Fucking, uh, dollar shave club.

I'm like the class, I'm trying to make this bar last as long as I can because I'm not part of the club. And the last thing I want to do is join the club. Like I'm just going to keep bumming off of people that are in the club. They're in the soap game now. Their soap is, oh, this is not an ad. And you're a bar. Are you a bar guy generally?

I'm definitely a bar guy. Okay, so here's my question. I got four body washes. And on occasion I've used all four. This is going to get a little trippy. I hope you're on drugs. You probably are. No, I'm not.

Does the second body wash. clean off the first or am I developing a patina of body wash? Why are you doing four body while you're doing that? You're not rotating them? No, I'm just like one, a little dollop there, a little dollop here. You use four body washes in one shower. Occasionally, but is it a patina of wash or my or does the fourth one wash off all the others?

Isn't that? A little trippy. That is trippy. It's weird. I think they cancel each other out. Okay. So the fourth one is what I'm leaving there with. The winner.

For me, weird shower habit. I sit on the ground sometimes. You ever sit on the ground in the shower? No, I don't have that big of a shower. Also, I got a fan in my bathroom. I like to air dry. Try it sometime. I think it's good for your skin.

Don't have any way of proving that, but I feel good after I do it. So you're nude. Sometimes. And you're likely in front of a mirror with a fan going on you. I don't have a mirror in my bathroom. You don't have a mirror in your bathroom. Not a full length.

Not a full length. Yeah, no, I just like to air dry, man. Is that weird? The sitting on the ground is weird. Yeah. Yeah, I think all of it's weird. I don't sit on the ground with regularity. It's just after a hard day. There's no, no judgment from this side of the table. Okay. None whatsoever. All right. Uh, bad. I haven't gone good yet. Oh, you haven't gone good. I'll, I'll whip through this in two seconds. Uh, I, I, I, I, bad, on to bad. What was you good? I completed white lotus. Oh, I heard that the director has

accepted criticism. Oh, I read that article too. Uh, for his finale. I wonder what it was. Mike White. I wonder if Twitter's overthinking it. No, I wish there had been one more episode and a little more chaos, but I really actually like the takeaway, which I won't ruin. And I won't ruin what happens. But that theme music, terrific score, wonderful characters,

Armand, Tanya, A.K.A. Stiffler's mom, Quinn Mossbacher, just the most underrated character in the history of television. The White Lotus is excellent. I'm probably going to give it a 91. 91 out of 100. And it paves the way for my watching Malice at the Palace, which I will do before Thursday. I'm thinking maybe they recast Stifler's mom in season two

with Hannah Waddingham. I know that name. Yeah, she's Rebecca in Ted Lassow. By the way, hey, Ted Lassow. Hey, by the way, Ted Lassow. Stifler's mom, Tanya McQuad, her name is Jennifer Coolidge, I think. Might be the best actor. Oh, Jennifer Coolidge is a very good actress.

You've made this case to me earlier. And actually, I feel like she got a little bit, you know, pegged because of that Stifton's mom role. But she's no doubt. She's killer. When you watch White Lotus a few years from now, you'll even like it. I might even watch it this week. It might be one of the very few crossovers that we have. I might just come.

into the studio on Tuesday these guys are laughing at the back because they're fucking seven. Come on guys guys I'll come into this studio on Tuesday and just or Monday and just

shock you and have I'll watch the whole season this weekend people are coming out of the woodwork and DMing me people are DMing me they're going through the trouble of DMing me to say we're with you Chris Ted Lassow's not that good that's fine they're coming out of the woodwork Oh, Ted Lasso is not for everyone.

It's good and wholesome. It's good to know that I'm not alone. It's not for not wholesome people. Let's go to bad. Okay. Gatorade. Gatorade. Gatorade.

They just, listen. I am so glad to be done with this, I hope. Can I show you something here? Please. Hey, people, listen to the pod. Riptide Rush was not one of the available draftees. Had it been, Riptide Rush is clearly a second, third rounder. yeah dude i mean like listen we get it you don't you don't agree with some of our

our oh my gosh like we got it you guys have different taste buds do you know that's how this thing works um i definitely won the draft but i am on a mission to find a frost icy charge gatorade icy discharge as some are calling it gatorade should make up a flavor called riptide horny because they're horny as hell to talk to us on twitter okay let's unpack this who you got that's from blue check Gatorade. Who y'all got? They're pandering.

Are the checks white now? No, it's always been like that. Don't overthink it. It's always been like that. Actually, they did just change all their little things. Yeah, anyways, Gatorade under one of our discussion pieces just yesterday, three days late to the party, we're like, let's hash this out who y'all got. 24 hours.

Zero likes, zero interaction, zero retweets. Hey, Gatorade, go sit over there, dude. we're having a conversation it's not about you it's about us it's about our podcast we're more powerful than you had the gatorade twitter PR intern fella listen to the pod that was the thing like somebody the other day somebody the other day was like somebody that was definitely not necessarily a man so right i was trying to get to fellah you said it right the first time in your own head i guess and that's a problem but but somebody came to me the other day and said, hey, this Gatorade thing,

you should parlay it into like, let's do something with Gatorade. And I was like, I don't think you've heard what we said about Gatorade on the pot. Gatorade was dead to me when they tweeted that lemon lime was, was yellow, which it is. Okay, they are white check marks now. Yeah, white check marks.

By the way, can I get that, can I get that? White check marks? I know, I knew, I knew it. Your progressive ass was gonna go there. White check marks? Can I get that? Shut Twitter down. Twitter's racist.

I would love that if we could cancel Twitter. Can we cancel Twitter? Can we cancel Twitter? Can we do it? No, it's too big. That's where everybody's doing their soapboxing. Can we get on a soapbox about Twitter itself and get it canceled? That would be a fucking joy.

Hold on. Let me go because I'm looking on like, how long do you think it would take? Run along, Gatorade. How long do you think it would take me to switch from, dark mode to light mode on this thing. I don't know. Not long, too long. Oh, dark mode off. Okay. Now I'm going to look at what color the check marks are.

They're probably blue. And they are blue. I mean, technically the check mark is white and it's surrounded by a blue. Blue deal. Ugly. Twitter. Yeah. Did you get a business proposition?

I did get a business proposition. I'll put that in the ugly. I've been waiting to share this quote with you. you this weekend. Somebody approached me about a new business and the quote that I'm pulling and it was a rather good idea, but this was potentially something you could sink a business deal. Quote, all jokes aside, this is a huge money pit that we've not been taking advantage of. Your future business partner does not know what a money pit is. Pit. Pit. Like, I'm out, dude. I'm out. I said, you know what? I'll entertain this if you'll let me actually repeat that line on the

podcast. So I'm actually entertaining the pitch. Oh. Yeah. It's a good pitch. Just not packaged correctly. So then you, you, you, did you explain to the person that the person doesn't know a money pit? Oh, for sure. And I explained them that the only way I entertain this is if I can use their shitty line for content. Okay. And they, they obliged not using the name of the, of said individual. I'll offer you $1,500 for a 10% stake in this idea. No. Okay. So you, you, so you, you, You know it's good. All right. No deal.

Okay. Cool. Anything else? No. I tried to cut my grass. Sucked. You know, normally I care about the lines and such. This was more of just, hey, burglars.

Somebody does, in fact, live here. So go on to the next. And he will call his dad. I will call my dad. You're going to have to get past me, my 100 pushups a day, my security system. But not in that order. First dad. many weapons potentially

and my dad all right we'll see you next week take care yourself this week we'll see him this week oh yeah fuck all right we'll see you this week hey great show another great one coming potentially maybe maybe maybe

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