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Episode Date: August 22, 2023

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Bill Cowr broke your leg. And then you guys became rivals in the same division. And I'm kind of wondering if you were ever like, that motherfucker, he broke my leg in 1983. Well, you, I don't think we played. You weren't on my team when we played Bill Cowher when he was a head coach. But I reminded our guys Saturday night that in the event that you're a little out of control and you got some speed and you're going out. on their boundary.

If you roll into the head coach's legs, it's okay. So. The Greenlight podcast welcomes you. It's a great day for you to join us in Studio, Jay. We've got the fantasy football download for you. The number one sports podcast in America right now.

The fantasy footballers join Chris and Macon. They're going to go through every single fantasy topic you can think of, which drafts are the best, all the way to which players is Darren Waller, a worthy of a tight end one pick or is you going to be closer to a top 10? Did they think about trades when they're making a fantasy football selection? How much do quarterbacks come into play when selecting a wide receiver? We go through it all. We also talk about some Hall of Fame worthy fantasy performances.

One game, everything's on the line, late in the season, championship week, which players went off? These guys remember it all. We have a blast with him. We also have Jeff Fisher, head coach Jeff Fisher from Chris's playing days. He coached him in St. Louis, obviously. Coach joins us to talk a little bit of what's going on in the NFL. He tells some training camp stories, a couple of fights, some hard-knock stuff. It tells a hilarious story about after he was let go with the Rams,

and he came back to get his stuff from the facility, had a dog in tow, and ended up crossing pass with the fellas as they were on their way to their first game without Coach Fisher in that season. But it's a good time with Chris and coach reminiscing. We talked softball from Sunday. Chris pitched another gym. We ended up going one-in-one in our devil-hutter. And then with the Swamp King's documentary, the Florida documentary coming out, we talk about some documentaries.

We would love to see some sports docs. We would love to see made. So hit us in the comments with maybe some sports documentaries we missed. And quickly, in between the fantasy footballers and Jeff Fisher, Chris is going to go through some NFL updates. He's going to talk about Jonathan Taylor and what he saw in the NFL preseason week two, which teams played well, which quarterbacks, which defensive linemen. He's going to call out what he liked, what he didn't like. y'all please enjoy remember wednesdays as facts in the king make sure to stick around for those check them out on youtube and we'll see you thursday

swamp kings is coming out tonight so we'll be able to talk about it later in the week what is it just the florida gators from the urban mire days when erin hernandez was was uh resolving conflict yep people were allegedly following tim tibo around with nude pictures to test his chastity I hear he's really, he was really a virgin. Yeah. I hear he's, he's the genuine article. Make, I hear he's got a big bush.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, might not make the pod, but. Not the first time it's been said, but perhaps Urban Myers' best coaching job with so many, and I don't say it lightly, so many felons on the roster at the time and he kept it together, you know? Yeah, I do know. I will watch it.

I will. The question is for you guys, Are there any other documentaries that you think need to get made in sports? Because this one, I mean, like Netflix is doing it. They're like, they're going all in on sports, right? High quality. High quality too, yeah. Yeah, the Mansell Dock was good so far.

I haven't finished it yet, but. The one review I've read of Swampkins is that it just scratches the surface, really. So it's, they have a lot of control over it. You know, I'd love for somebody to go in there with like a Ness cam and tell us what happened, but you can't. these people are always going to have control over the documentaries that they're in to a certain degree. If they're going to be talking and that sort of thing, if I'm Urban Meyer, I'm going to have a list of ten things I don't want to talk about. Untold's done malice at the palace. They've done Caitlin Jenner.

They've done Mante Tateo's girlfriend, rise and fall of hand one. They're now doing Johnny Football, Hall of Shame, Swamp Kings. What else is out there? What do you like? I would I'd love to see a USC Texas 2006 Rose Bowl just like that day yeah you know like the start of the day they follow Vince Young's like I woke up blah blah blah blah Matt Liner's like I woke up did this they'd be cool day in the life woke up and puked right exactly kind of nervousness yep I would love to see the story of the Seattle Supersonics being taken out of Seattle ripped away by Clay Bennett are they going back well there's a lot of talk that the NBA is going to expand to 32 just like the NFL and And most people believe it'll be Vegas in Seattle. I want to see the story of the Monica Sella stabbing. It's 93.

Crazed fan comes out of the stands and she's sitting out of changeover. Stabs her between the shoulder blades. She's number one in the world. Is there footage of this? Oh, yeah. Dude's name was Gunter Parsh. He died in 2022. But listen to this. She was number one in the world.

Can you believe how big a story this would be? would be huge she had won the Australian Open 91 92 93 she had won the French 9091 92 she'd won the US Open 91 92 then 93 this dude comes out of the stand stabs are in the back I know I'm watching now she doesn't play for two years after this I'm watching now this they didn't get the stabbing on on tape I didn't look for it today I remember seeing it like seeing him run down there it's an eight minute video 942 on YouTube I just want to see the stabbing He died, I just said this, he died last year.

He was a big fan of Steffi Graf, who was number one before Monica Seles was number one. He wants to get his girl back to number one. Oh, so he was like a fucking, he was like the man. Yeah, he's got the oomelot. He's got the umlaut on the U and Gunter, so you know he's German. Yeah.

Damn, she's just like, she's just grabbing at it like she has like a, like her super spin eye is out. Doesn't play for two years. You understand? She's tough. Damn. Depression, eating this order completely changes her life, the history of tennis. I mean, she was rolling.

So she would have been, she would have been maybe the best ever. Maybe. Okay. She only, she only, comeback by her eventually. She won one more Grand Slam, the Australian Open in 96. I say greenlight that one.

And then this guy, he gets a suspended two-year sentence. He didn't go to jail. Suspended sentence. Really? Yeah. Died last year at 68. Not in prison. Mm-hmm.

Nursing home. Really? Yeah. Should be in prison. Give me Dennis Rodman. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Kim Jong-un, like, you know, in Carmen Elektra. Yes. On the interviews. I feel like you just do a day, maybe one, one-hour episode on him on the Vegas thing. Yeah. You know, just like the two or three. No question. I just want to know what happened during the playoffs that he ended up in Vegas.

I think Kim might sit down for that interview. Yeah. Like, I know I got this whole. dictator thing. I can go on off. I'll sit and talk about that cat. The Flate Gate. Uh, give me Danny Almonte. You got any more? Yeah, this isn't a specific event. Groundskeepers of the game. There got to be some characters. There's got to be historic moments that, that they played pivotal roles in. There's, there's science in this age of artificial turf. There's science going into, to maintaining and sustaining the, these surfaces. Yep.

where elite athletes are going to let you know about it if it's not 30 minutes on last year's super bowl exactly yep exactly the groundskeepers of the game okay that's pretty good okay there's a bunch of dream team documentaries and they're always this like feel good redeem team or 92 dream team i want to see the one about the 2004 team that just choked and said that there's nothing to do with groundskeepers all right so i actually have one i this is the best one though for for me i like i would I would watch this tonight. On this day in 1915, okay, Joe Jackson, shoeless Joe Jackson, he was acquired from the Cleveland Indians.

It was like a, there were three other guys in that trade. But I'm sure there's a story. I've never heard it, like how he got his name. So last night I'm like Googling away because I was getting ready for the show. And I was like, okay, August 15th. At some point, the motherfucker didn't wear shoes, I would presume. But it actually dates back to textile leagues where he was playing for the green spinners and he got a blister. He was wearing new cleats. Got a blister. No mole skin back then.

Took the cleats off. He's playing the game. He's rounding second. And actually, this was from his Wikipedia page. This is a direct quote. There was a fan on third base behind the third baseline. And he just yells out, you shoeless son of a gun. And it sticks with him. Like that was it. That's like how it supposedly started. But the, The most interesting thing to me is shoeless Joe Jackson, did he gamble on the World Series in 1919 or no? I think you're leading the witness. I'll say no. Okay.

He didn't. And that's the thing. Like, he's the most famous guy on the team. So in my head, the guy's got bad branding. Like, he's always been associated with 1919 and throwing the World Series. But actually, he did quite the opposite. He played great that series. I'll get to his stat line.

But it's pretty interesting when you go down the rabbit hole of, like, how this happened. And it was actually Chip Gandal, one of his teammates and a bunch of guys. So it was like seven, eight guys throwing the series for 80K. And it was Meyer Lansky. Right. And they were mad at their owner, Kamiski, who that ballpark is named after. So this is it. Kimisky's a piece of shit.

Was. Well, he was a real piece of shit. He made him pay for their laundry. So like Kamiski was like, hey, you guys, you know, you're going to get billed for your laundry. And of course, they revolted and just wore stinky-ass clothes. They were the stinkiest team in the league. and they got called the Black Sox. It wasn't because of the gambling or some, like, disgrace.

I always thought it was, like, because they were assholes. But it was because they were dirty as fuck. There was a pitcher named Eddie Cassette, who he owed 10K for a bonus. If he won 30 games, it gets to 29 games. You talk about incentives in the NFL. Kamisky puts him on the bench for two weeks. So he ends up, he ends a season with 29 wins. 1919, they legitimately, the entire team was expecting a bonus.

Yes. They didn't get one. They got to the locker room. It's just champagne. Stale champagne. Stale champagne. You read the same thing. So bottom line is they wanted to get back at him.

And, you know, there were like two camps in the in the clubhouse, like some guys that weren't going to gamble on this. And it was almost like they had two camps or one camp was like real educated because it was like a thing to go to college. And the other camp was like kind of dumb. Like they were remedial as fuck. And maybe that's the group that gambled. But they threw it over eight. And when you talk about Kamiski, the payroll was actually pretty good. It was $88,461 for the entire team, which was actually like top of the league.

It was just a little top heavy. They had like a hot shot second basement that was making 15K. Joe Jackson is making 6K on the year. And like I actually ran the numbers for this. Like an egg cost three cents. So like a slugger like Joe Jackson, he's paying $42 a year for eggs if he eats three eggs a day to pack on the protein. which is actually not bad at all. But when you look at somebody like Chip,

who's making $3,500 a year, the average American worker is making $3,200 a year. So, like, you know why he threw the game for his cut of that 80K, which was probably like 10K. Eggs were also a lot smaller back then. So maybe he had to eat six. So he spent $84 on eggs.

But the point is, for somebody like Joe Jackson, you know, there's no point in throwing this game. Somebody like Chip, I mean, you could say, for 10K, it's just the World Series. It's like you're making an ironwork. salary times two. You know, so it's not a big deal. It's not like throwing the World Series today.

But when you look at that World Series, they actually had a shot to win it in eight, and they played nine games back then, which I didn't know. They had a pitcher Lefty Williams that was not on the take, and they got to him. They threatened to beat him up or whatever, and he got shelled.

So they lose it in eight, but Joe Jackson's stat line in this game, or the series, rather. He scored 11 of the 20 runs that they had. He had six RBIs, 20 runs 17 of them Joe Jackson bat at 375 12 hits okay which was a world series record at the time which is pretty fucking lame because like you know nine games 12 hits he was like they weren't hitting the ball back that ball era but the bottom line is no errors nothing he was lights out at

bat he was not throwing the actual game which is a case of bad branding because I always thought he was a disgrace figure well major league baseball still won't let him in the hall of fame even though that he didn't do anything wrong. It's ridiculous. It's a little Oppenheimerish. Isn't it? Yes, it is. Yeah. So I guess the question that I was going to ask was, were you guys throwing the game last night the first game? Like, was that a real honest effort in softball last night the first game? If I was throwing it, I would make it look like I was trying to catch the ball and then have it pelt me in the chest. So the ball, the ball hit Matt so fucking hard. You could hear it on the on 250.

What position? Right field. That's the only one I'm allowed to play. Dude, balls were going off of people's chest. They were going off people's legs. It was like, it was the bad news bears out there, honestly.

Yeah. Chris was on an island. He didn't have a defense. He didn't have a backup. I didn't pitch great, but I didn't pitch bad. And he didn't get much run support. And I know we weren't hitting the ball yesterday. We had a double header.

It was a rain make-up. So we ended up playing this team first. What's the name of this team? Elevate and celebrate. Elevate and celebrate. And they fucking kind of shelled us because we couldn't, I mean, we couldn't field the ball.

We couldn't hit the ball. And, you know, I walked a few people. I'll take, and I was told last night, like, it's kind of like an unwritten baseball rule.

You're not supposed to talk about your teammates, but we've already broken that rule in here. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys really suck the first game out there in the outfield. And Kevin Backey, you get him out there. At least Kevin Backey,

you know, he can't run. He left second base early last night. Tagging up. They called him out. but he's like a fucking he's like a coach on the field he can definitely catch the ball so we got some outfield support the second game we came back and we beat a professional team the first game final score uh 12 to 4 we gave like 7 in the 6 yeah yeah it was ugly okay so anyways second game

it was a look ahead game because we're playing a major league team the way this league is divided everybody's in the same league but it's like b minor a minor major we're b minor right because we didn't make the playoffs last year. We did a little Mavericks thing. It was like pros versus Joe's. Yeah, it was like pros versus Joe's, man. These guys were a well-oiled machine, and we got the win. And nice guys, too, I will say.

Really nice guys. Except the catcher, who at one point, you know, he was talking to the infielders. He was like, hey, if I go to bases, we're loaded. Hey, if I go to you at third, you might come back to me. And I'm like, man, you guys really think ahead. And he goes, yeah, we don't have our bodies anymore, but we still have our brains. And I took that to be a jab. Yeah.

It's like my brain is mush. But anyways, we ended up beating this team. The opposing pitcher was great. His wife actually teaches P.E. at my high school. And he taught me how to throw a knuckleball at the end of the game. So that was really not. You're still in high school? No, what did I say?

Oh, he said she teaches P.E. at my high school. My kids' high school. Got it. Yeah. My kids, which they're not in high school yet. So anyways, what else happened? I got a report from a player on the other team. Surprise, surprise.

Macon's friend on the other team, somebody was like, Macon's best buddies, it's actually, it's kind of a saving Silverman situation with Bad Back Backy because he feels like you got a replacement friend, which you did.

It calls back to that Virginia baseball game that we're all walking to the fucking parking lot. You're 100 feet ahead and we call you and you look at your phone and put it back in your pocket. Because you're walking with your replacement friend. Somebody was like, hey, Spot Macon's replacement friend.

And I was like, Is it the guy in a rowback polo? And it was. I asked him how softball, before I had heard from any of y'all, it took him a few hours this morning, but he said they won six three. He may not know it,

but Chris threw a one hitter. Was it one hitter? That sounds about right. Sounds about five guys. This guy's big sack guy. So anyways, like you could add it up, tally it up.

I don't know how many runs were earned in the first game. But I fucking needed that, guys. I really needed that because I don't know if you guys were doubting me a little bit. In the six, when there was, we had like 12 minutes left. And, you know, in softball, if you run out of time, you know, the game's over. We're up like six to one at that point. So I start walking a couple guys, you know, thinking I'm just going to like slow this thing down. And then two walks turns into seven.

But we got out of the inning with only two runs. So kudos to you guys. The fucking infield looks great. and I needed it, man. At the end of your pro career, I don't know if you guys wouldn't know this, but you really do start feeling like you're not good enough. You know, like you're still making plays out there,

but the plays that you used to make because you were a step quicker or maybe more limber or just better, like you miss those plays. I remember so many plays at the end of my career where I started to feel like a loser. I started to feel like I wasn't clutch. I started to feel like I couldn't do it anymore. and it kind of bled into my rec softball career.

Like it's in my head sometimes out there. You know, like I carry that over from my pro career. And last night I'm driving home and I'm feeling like somebody just took the weight of the world off my shoulders. I mean, I was like on a Benzo driving home. I felt great. And I'm thinking to myself like, I needed this. Like I didn't know how much I needed that big win and not to choke. Like in the sixth inning, I was like, I'm going to choke.

I'm going to miss the sack on Tom. Some self-doubt right there. I saw it. You were like, you all might have to pull me in a minute. Yeah. Like, you were fine. But I needed it. And so you're saying like 10 years ago that pop fly that you bobbled and grabbed, you would have made no problem.

No, it's more just like the in the moment of when I used to just not think and I used to just do it. You know, over time, the repetition of failing gets into your head. You know, like at 23, I wouldn't have been thinking about anything out there. But at 38, you know, it's what if I walk this guy? Oh, there's the ice cream truck. The ice cream truck pulls up. It's fucking loud as shit. I want ice cream.

I'm like distracted. I'm like, I'm going to lose the game because of the ice cream truck. Like all these little things start creeping in your head. Your buddy with the polo was talking shit at the plate. Like I couldn't throw a strike. I got him to pop out. White collar power.

Us outfielders, we picked it up that second game. Yeah. But the bottom line is I got out of the jam and I really needed it. I appreciate it. Our boy John Phillips pulled up in his 97 Lincoln town car. I saw his wife at the game. I was like, John's got the town car out tonight. You let him drive the town car. She's like, yeah, I thought he was taking the dump truck, but the guy really owns a dump truck, a town car, a bunch of excavation equipment. I mean, he's basically like a grown up with kids toys that he's driving on the road. So, I mean, we, we survive without John Phillips hitting a home run. We didn't score a lot of runs, but it was a good night for us.

You know, benzos are actually depressants. Oh, really? Yeah, they'll bring it down a notch. Not the ones I've had. Okay. The ones I've had make me feel like I don't give a shit. Well, congratulations, fellows. What's the record now?

Two and one. Two and one. Yeah, we're two and one. We talk to Rhino from B&B Electric last night in the parking lot. Ryan. Yeah, well, his shirt says Rhino. Oh, did it? It's not Ryan.

It's Ryan. So anyways. That's a Jim Rome joke from the Ryan Sandberg days. Okay, got it. So anyways, we play those guys Tuesday night and they're good. They're tradesmen to the core. And they just beat Ceramico Tile. So maybe we need to call B&B Electric and leave them a message.

Fire! Fuck! What do you think about that? We call B&B Electric. You want to do it? Yeah. Hey, how are you? Yes.

I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well, but I'm worried about a couple of these wires. Most electrical fires are caused by faulty electrical outlets or worn sockets that aren't properly grounded. You know this. And with age, the wiring behind the sockets and outlets wears and the wires loosen over time. It can eventually break and cause a fire. And I'm worried I'm going to have a fire on my hands.

Do you all send people out to look at wiring? Tell them fires Tuesday night. I see if there's any issue? That's right. Yeah. I'm in Charlott. So I'm actually, I'm, uh, I'm going to be honest. I didn't hear what you said, but I would love for somebody to come out tomorrow, Tuesday to 22nd, maybe later in the day around 6 p.m.

We'll pay double. I'll pay double because, you know, another common cause of electrical fires are lamps, light bulbs, or light fittings. It's important to follow the wattage guidelines for all light fixtures and lamps in my home and to never exceed the recommended amount. And my wife, I mean, she's the best. We met when we were 10 years old. She'll screwing every light bulb in the house, but damn, she doesn't pay attention to the wattage. And so, no, I think we've got a fire on our hands for sure.

Tomorrow, Tuesday, the 22nd at 6 p.m. That'd be great. Bring everybody, yeah. I don't need to. Sorry. If you could just bring everybody, I don't need anybody. I just need everybody. I don't work for you before.

You sure have. Long. L-O-N-G. I keep telling her, stop with the extension courts. You, do you have Kate? Kate Long or Kyle? What's the address? Hmm.

Yep, Megan. That's right. Right? Yes, it is, John. Yeah, that could be great. Do you, what's his name? He might have been out here before. It would probably be Ben.

Ben. Does he play on the softball team by any chance? What? Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think Ben does. Hmm. Okay.

Do you know if Ryan's available? I laugh because my wife just plugged in a portable heater. I mean, I like, plugging in more stuff. Yeah, plug it in more stuff. Say! Okay, thank you. Okay, appreciate it. All right, thank you.

Bye-bye. Bye. I don't know what to do when they actually say they can come fix the problem. That was pretty impressive. Yeah, B&B, like after hours, they got a guy for that. Yeah, you're going to be playing. a professional operation Tuesday night. That woman thinks my wife is a morrow, huh?

Sorry, sorry, Mike. They really have worked at my house. Yeah. And she came back and said, your name's Dan? John, I think. John, yeah, that's fine. In fairness, I didn't get her name, you know. She was great.

They've called back, Cowboys, yeah. It looks, they called back. Called back and we told them our services are no longer, you know, their services are no longer needed. We figured it out. Okay. unfortunately we're going to have to see b and be electric on tuesday they could only see that one guy we're going to beat them the honest uh the honest way they they know to put softball

first they probably have like a black off the calendar first right little office yeah and the ladies like can you send some softball players fuck no i don't even know we had a softball team i will say they show up to mcinty every week 5 p.m and they stay until about 830 they're great clock every week great fun team one two three fuck electrical fire softball first that's how they break it right out They're going to be shocked. All right. So you know who was shocked was those guys in the baseball pants last night. They thought they were going to run through us.

Nobody thought we were going to beat them. Anyways, had another thing coming. Hey, Matt, do you want to talk about your... I've got one more doc. Okay. Oh, great. Good. Now, you're going to roll your eyes.

Why didn't you do this when I was like, hey, you want to do a dock? I was groundskeepers. Do you hear that? Monica Sellis? I was still going. You just, you had something, you had something killer. Yeah, absolutely killer. I forget what it was.

It's the fruits of my tireless labor to fill this show with topics that people actually care about. Now listen, Virginia basketball loses to a 16 seat, first time ever. UMBC beat them by 20. UMBC had lost to Albany by 44 that season. Okay, Virginia was 31 and 2. Lose the basketball game. They come back in the next year. they win the national title, of course.

They were down 14 points in the first half to a 16 seed. I know. Again. It almost happened. Gardner Webb. It almost happened twice. And then during that run, they trailed Purdue by two with less than a second. Yep.

Auburn by two with less than a second. And then trailed Texas Tech by three with several seconds remaining. Was that their biggest lead of the game? Because I felt like we had that game under control for most of it. Yeah. Then they're up three before the Dre three with about. 10 seconds to go. No, because that's one of those things I know how it ends is okay.

Okay. You know? Virginia basketball, 66 and 6 over two years. It includes the worst loss in college basketball history and then a remarkable tale of redemption. They can be a good doc. No, I'm biased, but without bias, I also think it would be a good doc. I'd take the loss in 81 versus Shamanad as a doc. It's a, yeah.

That's also a good one. We had Ralph. We lost a Shamanad in Maui, coming back from. a trip to Tokyo fucking Ralph on a plane all hunched over people smoking darts can you imagine being Ralph Samson in 1982 going to Tokyo in a plane no no fucking DVD player no well book I mean I guess he was reading a book but it's a long flight that is a long flight pretty cramped how about a worst plane ride Ralph Samson going to Tokyo just like just the worst one how about a documentary of

Kingston on the river huh? the first hour you wouldn't see his face because he he was a victim of the penis envy yeah uh there's a mushroom called penis envy and I warned him twice before he reached uh oh wasn't your fault completely my fault I warned him twice I said

he hasn't hit yet this is uh this is the uh Jake Lamata of uh of uh of the psilocybin world The trees aren't whispering to me yet. No, they weren't whispering. He was seeing something. Oh, I was having unbelievably intense visualizations for like an hour and a half. Like, you know, like, trippy psychedelic patterns that you always see? Oh, that.

But like, I'd close my eyes and that and it was just moving. Why'd you want him to go away? I didn't. It was just so intense. And I was really scared for a while that I was going to, like, drown because I didn't know where I was. He didn't paddle for half the trip, which is okay. And then I really. appreciated you tied me to your boat and paddling me around. So the funniest thing about it is I go last

week, I got to pull my boy who's off a hernia surgery. Yeah, I think he's milking it a little bit. Is it an inguinal hernia? Is it a different kind of hernia? I don't know. But Matt this week, I'm thinking I get to paddle. He shows up and he's like Doc Ellis. And I got to fucking tie my rope to him again. And I'm pulling another grown man down the river. But it was easier because you're in a kayak. My boy was in a heavy inner tube with a with a fucking heavy umbrella. you were actually a pretty good passenger. Yeah, and after about an hour or so, it turned, and it was like one of the best days I've ever had.

But before that happened, Kyle scared the shit out of me. He came up next to me, and do you remember, like, the giants in Game of Thrones? Yes. Remember when the White Walker turned one of the giants, so it was like a ghost giant or whatever? Kyle looked like that,

except he had diamond eyes that were shooting at me. I'm just telling you, bro. The penis envy will do it. You all call y'all selves grown. too. That's the funniest part for me. They're rolling down a river. I think that you're probably judging something you've never tried, which is like a lot of

the public. And honestly, like, if you look at the research on psilocybin, it does a lot for depression. Have you tried it? Yeah, you could use some. Have you tried it? Now, again, I'm a big Benzo guy. Try to get lower. I mean, try to get lower. He was in hell. My baseline is too high.

He was in hell. He was in the core of the earth, man. There was a point where we were stopped these rapids and we had to like walk to get back on the boat and I was like coordinating his whole walk and I just stopped and I go Matt let me be your dad right now just like stop fighting it allow me for the next hour to be your dad on the river and he was like that's what I want and I was like whoa your hand is really strong it's all fucked up dude but Kyle came out for the first time and he had a nice time I kind of couldn't decide on whether or not he was never going to come back

or he wanted to come back. I think he wants to come back. He joined the James River Swim Club. He did dunk himself. We should get some T-shirts made. James River Swim Club. Yeah. That needs to be our merch.

Yeah. James River Swim Club. It's perfect. Because nobody can steal it. Nobody else, like it's so, you know, it's such an inside joke. Most people are going to be like, I don't want that shirt. Right. But you know it's not going to get stolen.

And we can sell it to James River runners who can then sell it to everybody else. This is really smart. And then Kyle decides to take a, you know, a detour, one of the little side alleys on the river with my buddy tom who's not the guy you you're like yeah i'll go where you want to go right now like he's the guy that tells you this is our exit when it's like a quarter mile back so he took a quick right Kyle followed him uh like a couple lemmings they headed down this little alleyway and reed has some of the most amazing footage of Kyle getting clothes lined by a fucking sycamore tree uh going to ass over

tea kettle. There was one, there was a tree had fallen. It was maybe like four feet above the water and we're paddling through and Tom and I get through the whole perfectly no problems. And Kyle's like, I'm coming in hard like top gun too. And then he's paddling through and then he's like, uh, he's like clear the runway and then he just comes through tips tries to grab the big land misses it and just finds like a little branch or his eyes open. Yeah. They wouldn't yeah first time paddling. You know not, not 100% but grab this branch. you just, there you go. That's pretty good. Kyle really found a way for the back of his head to hit the water first.

But we had a lot of fun. It was a good weekend. We ended up, yeah, winning our one softball game. So good to be back at work. We've got two interviews for today. We have a total of four people making an appearance on this podcast. The guys from Fantasy Footballers are joining us. That's Mike, Andy, and Jason from Fantasy,

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all right as promised we get the fantasy footballers these guys are great i watched the show last night uh i feel kind of prepared honestly it's like cramming in school Just watch one three-hour show that these guys put on. It's information-rich. It's informative. Check them out. How are y'all doing? We're in the thick of it, man.

Fantasy season is here. Everyone's undefeated. We're doing good, but it's crazy. All the news, all the preseason, everybody trying to extrapolate every little teeny bit of information, projecting it over the whole freaking year. It's fun. What do you think is the biggest storyline that kind of everything hinges on

that that's not been, you know, resolved at this point in preseason. It's got to be the running back situation with, you know, both Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs, just the whole, the whole money situation and are they valuable and are they going to play football? That's pretty important. Yeah, it was Seguan earlier in the offseason as well, like the running back committee world where you don't have the same type of bell cows

you always used to have that, you know, now people are taking wide receivers earlier in drafts because they're afraid. And I think that's been a big storyline at least. Yeah, with the running back thing, there's a couple guys I love, but they're going to be playing, you know, they're going to be seeing stack boxes. Like Damien Pierce would probably be one, who's a machine, no matter what. And I'd love to draft him.

But I kind of wonder how you guys come about finding that like that Mendoza line for a guy where, you know, you'd really like to have him on your team. He's going to get a lot of carries. but are they going to be high quality opportunities for that guy? How do you guys find that kind of point where you say, hey, no thanks? Sure. I mean, when we do our rankings, we do a best to make a whole full projection system. And the way I do it, I start at the top.

So I'm trying to figure out what are the, you know, how good is this offense going to be? And then I start kind of filtering, well, I think that this running back will get this market share of what this team has to offer for me. and the numbers just kind of get where they are, and then it's all about playing the average draft position or ADP market knowing when and where to jump in on certain positions. But you start with the offense first, because we want touchdowns, of course, and then what's the archetype of the running back?

Because we need guys to, you know, we're talking about PPR and stuff like that. You need a running back who's going to catch the ball, a simply a target, not even just a catch, a target is essentially worth about two and a half times more than just a single carry. So we want guys who are going to do hopefully both, but with the specialization of the position, it's pretty rare to see a guy like Echler and McCaffrey anymore. We get guys like Damien Pierce, who last year was a, I mean, he was a great rookie. He was on a poor offense, but he was a grinder.

He wasn't getting that third down work. So what we're looking for in the preseason is, how are teams rolling these guys out? Because the addition of Devin Singletary, you know, former Buffalo Bill running back to the team, it's not nothing. Like Singletary was a pretty good player for the bills for a few years. How is he going to work into it? And then we kind of got a small answer this past weekend for the preseason week, too, where Damien Pierce was the guy.

Last year, third and fourth down with very, very minimal snaps and opportunities. for Damian Pierce, already looks like that could see an uptick. So while his offense doesn't project to be super strong, you got a rookie quarterback who's going to be in charge. It doesn't usually lead to real success for the fantasy position talking about running back. But there's at least reason to have optimism that this guy could be a real workhorse and you want to have a real workhorse and you're running back two spots.

Can I hit a sidebar real quick? Yeah. Singletary. They mentioned Singletary. I just played him in a grid for like 10 plus. touchdowns in a season. So yeah, he was pretty damn good in Buffalo. But do you guys play grids? Are you guys just like among the best in the world at this? Because you guys got all like you, you know the third back on every team. Have you guys right into the grid universe, dude?

I cannot say that I have my no, me either. I'm not, I'm not a gritter. Is there just money, money, money sitting out there for us? No, there's no money. Is there money in this thing, Matt? Okay, so there's money. My producer says is money. I've been playing hard, not smart the last week, dude. But it's fun. You guys know the concept of it, right? Is this where you're the, giving us the teams and the positions? Yeah, teams and positions. Well, basically teams. I'm familiar with the game. Yeah, it's pretty damn cool. I mean, you got to, you got to really be on your peas and cues. And I figured you guys, you guys should check that out. We've been playing on my crazy. May, go ahead. What was your question? Guys, we're in a 10-team PPR redraft league.

Your presence on today's show made our commission get with it and give us a draft position. Chris is picking seventh. I'm ninth. Where does the consensus this year stop for you guys? Is it at four? Is it Jefferson, Chase, McCaffrey, Echler in some order, or is it somewhere else? Yeah, I mean, as the offseason has gone on, I think we've crept up on where we, you know, the top couple positions have generally been McCaffrey, Jefferson in some order.

Jamar Chase with Burroughs' calf, although we got good news about that today. Chase is in the mix there as well. You know, Tyreek Hill and Echler. You're both picking from the spots where we've seen a lot of like Travis Kelsey first going off the board, as well as like the Bejohn Robinson zone where the excitement for the rookie in Atlanta. That's kind of that later first round where, you know, people have spent up on Kelsey just so dominant for so long in fantasy. And at this point, we're just like expecting it from him every year. Yeah, you guys are both at a spot where you're past the known commodities.

Like the first six picks, those are going to be pretty much the same guys. And then where you guys are at, it's user choice. If you think Stefan Diggs is better because he's done it for longer or you think A.J. Brown is better because he's the new hotness, you know, or you want to go with the rookie and Bejanon. You guys really get to choose. So there's some freedom there to being there where it's like I get to call my shot. Love that because then nobody can criticize you for fucking it up.

You're like, well, I was just doing it. There is a lot of pressure in fantasy where there's like a freedom to that factor where like maybe you don't believe in somebody, but you feel like you got to, I got to take them so nobody gives me crap at the draft because, you know. The peer pressure. The peer pressure is real. What about, what about you guys mentioned Bijon? I'm thinking about, you know, Kyle Pitts and, you know, targets that seem like they would have big years,

but you got Desmond Ritter down there. I know you guys were talking about one of you guys picked Mike Evans for your dude. one of your dudes. And you know, you really put it into context nicely with Mike Evans. I mean, he's chasing history. The guy's really in that echelon. And he's saying this stuff, knowing full well, he's probably going to see either Baker or Kyle Trass this year. Right. So he's confident, but how confident are you guys? And how do you figure out who can overcome bad quarterback play? That's such a good question. And like last year there was this illusion, specifically in Seattle, where like, you went into the off season, you have talent in

D.K. McCaff and Tyler Lockett that's been proven on the NFL field, but then the fantasy community was out on those two players, just because Russ was gone, and this was going to be like Drew Locke competing with Gino Smith, and we don't know what's going to happen. So that was at least a lesson in humility a little bit for the fantasy world, or like, talent generally wins out, you know, whether Baker and Kyle Trass can do it. that's when you look at something like Mike's talking about market share for running backs, you start looking at target share for wide receivers, and you just hope that volume piles up.

They're in a division with like, you know, it's kind of wide open. So that's one source of optimism to me is that like maybe, you know, they can compete even if people don't expect them to. And you hope that Baker with that proven track record of throwing deep just goes to the biggest dang man on the field every single time. And, you know, Evans has done it. with so many other quarterbacks that at least, you know, he has that in the track record of not being dependent on one guy. What's changed with Derek Henry,

despite a few more miles on the odometer one more year? Is this the year that they start to mix in a couple other guys in that backfield? Is Hopkins the addition Tennessee hopes he's going to be, or is Derek Henry going to churn out another RB6, RB7 year? Yeah, he's awesome. He's just too good at football. He's too big of a human. And we didn't see anything last year that said he's slowing down at all.

You look at what the team is talking about around him. He is the center of their offense. They did draft a really talented rookie and Taji Spears. So there's questions, right? Like, will they get, you know, a little bit more rest for Derek Henry? But I don't think that's what he needs. He needs to just keep just plowing into defenders. I mean, you know, you see it every year, the end of the year.

the end of the games. He just gets stronger. We call him the Yeti when it starts snowing and the weather starts changing. It is, it is bad news for the rest of the NFL. I think the Hopkins trade actually is extremely good for Derek Henry. What it does in a winnable division is it says they're going to be winning more games. And for Derek Henry, a guy who's not really a pass catching back, he scores a lot more in the games they win. And so if they're up and, you know, they're going into the fourth quarter, you're going to see him get close to 30 carries in a game. And I don't think that the wear and tear on his legs are there yet. We haven't seen an ounce of decline.

And you've got to remember, he started his career. He's later into his career, but his first few years, he wasn't really used that much because he was behind. DeMarco Murray. Yeah. Yeah. Another good grid name there. I got another team for you with a question at quarterback. Okay.

Would you rather have Terry McLaurin where he goes, or Jahan Dotson, a couple rounds later. Yeah, the Washington commanders, boys, it's not the easiest situation to figure out. Dotson exploding, though, just showing the touchdown prowess. I mean, it's so interesting for us. We don't have your inside knowledge of football players, but how do you have wide receivers?

Like, I'll go to the Atlanta situation, where you had Julio Jones, one of the best wide receivers of all time and Calvin Ridley playing together. And it was like, Julio, we just, we never got prolific touchdown numbers from him. Meanwhile, Calvin Ridley is like, well, no, it's really easy. Strolls in as a rookie with double digits. You just rattle off a bunch of touchdowns. Julio, what are you doing?

And that could be the situation we're looking at with Terry McLaurin and John Dodson. McLaren's incredible. I think he is one of the better wide receivers, just route runner, hands speed. everything. But Dotson is just one of these sneaky guys who's able to score a whole bunch of touchdowns. So when you're looking at the market, the ADP, I think they're both okay. Like McLaurin is a fine pick where he is, but there's a lot of things that could go wrong when you when you factor in the other names that are around him. Meanwhile, Johan Dotson's going multiple rounds later. And I, for me, just personally, it wouldn't shock me if at the end of the year,

they're just right next to each other because McLaurin has more, more catches and more yards, but Dotson ends up with three or four more touchdowns. So they're interesting, but if I have to just take one factoring in the market, I'll go with Johan Dotson. I completely agree. I've loved Terry McLaurin. He's been like one of my dudes this whole offseason. But there are so many people in the fifth round where he's going that I also love.

Justin Fields, Justin Herbert, DJ Moore. There's a lot of talented players there in the eighth round where Dotson's going. it's like, uh, maybe, you know, there's a, there's a lot more questions there.

So I think you take dots and have a little bit more security and grab a different player in the fifth. Playmaker, he gets a ball in his hands, a lot of run after the catch with him. And Ridley, you mentioned him down in Jacksonville. You know,

the question for me is like, who's the number one down there? I mean, you know, for some people, it might seem kind of clear, but this guy is, uh,

his arrival's been heavily awaited down there. I think he's going to make a lot of plays. Is it Ridley? Is it Kirk? How do you, see the target chairs going in Jacksonville. It's Ridley. Yeah, no, I feel like it's Ridley as well.

I mean, he just is kind of a next level talent. You've seen it on the practice field. It's been a long time, but we've also seen how well Christian Kirk functions and kind of let, you know, call it 1B, call it the number two role. He did it in Arizona with DeAndre Hopkins on the other side. And so it just really, Ridley's arrival means such good things for that offense. Like we've loved what we've seen from Tank Bigsby being a compliment to Travis E.TN in Jacksonville. Looks like Trevor Lawrence can take the step forward with all those weapons.

They brought back Ingram. Zay Jones is kind of an under, you know, underrated, unheralded piece on that offense. So, you know, I think we expect big things from Ridley. Hopefully he can come back to form because it's been a while. Yeah, I think the reason I'm so confident now that it's Ridley as the number one target is what we saw in the preseason. is when they went to two wide receiver sets, we would have thought previous that that would be Ridley and Christian Kirk on the field, but it wasn't.

It was Zay Jones. Christian Kirk was pretty much the slot player. And so that, that to me says that the one, the alpha is going to be Ridley. Two running back rooms, I can't get a handle on Miami is just, you know. It's plug and play. It's San Francisco southeast. But then another is Philly.

Do you guys have a read on this with DeAndre Swift, Rashad Penny, and Kenney. with Gainwell. We were hoping you'd tell us who the, uh, I like Swift. I like Gainwell. I like Swivel's awesome, but I, you know, I just, there's something about Swift, man. He might be one of the more talented guys they've had in the backfield. Well, there's five of us. We could all say five different games. Yeah, let's call our shots. The bottom line is it doesn't matter in Philly because I know. I know. I'm so good up front. I mean, there's so much space to, to operate for, for whoever's back there. We were talking about it on

today's show, the fact that, like, it looks like it's Kenny Gainwell, who is going to get the most touches, but he might be more of a between the 20s guy. Yeah. There's going to be at least three involved running backs. And the truth, if you look at last year was last year, Miles Sanders was pretty much the dude. For fantasy, he finished as the running back 13. And so you think, oh, he was awesome. He had double-digit touchdowns.

He was great. Except he really kind of sucked for fantasy if you're in a home league because it was unpredictable. It was unpredictable. You never knew when to start him. And even though he had a couple big games, his consistency was so bad for the running back position that I think he hurt you as much as he helped you. And that was with a really strong season-long finish.

So if you remove that and you split it up a couple of ways, I don't really want to play there. That's what's so funny. Like both Super Bowl teams last year, and this is why the running back position is in tumult a little bit. Like both Super Bowl teams, you know, they didn't have just one guy contributing at the running back position.

You have put Checo and McKinnon and Clyde Edwards-Alaire. And then on the other side, Miles Sanders and Boston Scott and Gainwell, like these were the best of the best teams. And it seems like more and more, you know, people, you mentioned Miami. It's like, who's it going to be? It's going to be all of them.

I mean, that's the answer. It'll be Mostert. And then as soon as you're like, all right, I got confidence to put Mostert in my lineup, it'll be a Jeff Wilson week. Gotcha. And yeah, I mean, it's just going to be, you know, that's why those top tier backs are so hard to come.

because you're kind of, you know, you're casting lots a little bit with some of these other rosters. And if you pick, you know, any of those Philly guys, as these guys pointed out, I mean, Jalen Hertz is going to poach some touchdowns. Oh, yeah. You know, that's an issue there. How do you guys kind of triangulate somebody's season if they're on the trade block? You know, like somebody that you're pretty sure is going to get moved, you know, is there ever an opportunistic grab as you see somebody being a little bit upwardly mobile? when it comes to fantasy if they get dealt. It's funny because the one name that comes on my head from last year

that did see that upward movement was T.J. Hawkinson in that trade where we were kind of waiting for some sort of consistency to form in Detroit. And he was the kind of, but it hasn't, there haven't been a lot of those. Where it's like you're looking at a mid-season trade and having enough confidence that not only are they going to arrive on this better situation, but they're going to have opportunities right away to contribute. So that was kind of an outlaw. to me having him make an impact.

Yeah, we certainly on the podcast we cover when the rumor mill starts firing up that a player is going to be traded and kind of make this speculation, hey, if you want to go put in a low ball offer for this player right now, you can do it. But, I mean, like the Hawkinson one, if I remember it right, that kind of caught everybody off guard, at least publicly. We didn't know that was going to happen. And then the one that everyone was sure was going to happen. was Kareem Hunt was going to get traded last year from the Cleveland Browns.

And then that never happened because they said Kareem's a big part of this team. And then they shut him down. Like they didn't put him back on the field. So it's part of fantasy football is just it's the ebbs and the flows of what is the actual public opinion of this player right now. So it's there's all the stuff on the field. But then there's all the the psychology of what do people actually think about this guy right now and if they're moved you know you make you make your gambols of will that actually pay off yeah mike jason andy you guys are talking to uh the person in america who picked romeo dobbs the

highest out of anyone else okay um was it the seventh round last yeah i fucking i just you know i'd like to take a chance uh looking like a genius you know like nobody remembers your seventh round pick except for in this situation i guess i was a year early on romeo dobs that's true okay so who so who is this the end of the question yeah no you got it how's roe mobs is more of a statement you just wanted to bring it up yeah big romeo should i draft them and and and what do you think about dontavian wicks probably not draftable but man pretty fucking impressive keep an eye out yeah sure i'll go back to romeo dobs real quick and it was it made seventh is that's that's pretty aggressive yeah i'm No, and I'm a little bit of a wild card in the draft.

But that's all leagues have that. Every single league. Has a drug guy. You are in. There will be multiple picks. There's going to be multiple picks where you go, oh, well, that was interesting. That was spicy. That was off the script.

And it's great. Those picks need to happen because it, at the end of the year, like, crazy stuff happens. It's the NFL. You don't take chances. But Romeo Dobbs, like, he started actually okay for a rookie. I mean, you had the wide receiver 12 finish in week three, making some plays here, there. And then unfortunately, the injury is what I think derailed him. Now, Dobbs is back to being the king of the off season because he was, he was the king of the off season last year where it was.

They trade up for Christian Watson, size speed freak, but he's missing all of camp. And Romeo Dobbs has got that hype train rolling. He's got it rolling again. I mean, getting all the snaps, getting deep, targets from Jordan Love that they're showing off on the Twitter sphere. So I'm interested. I think that Romeo Dobbs could be in that post-type sleeper category where he actually comes through and he's a usable player this year.

We actually have a sleeper episode coming up here pretty soon. I'll peel the curtain back. One of us actually has Romeo Dobbs as our sleeper pick. So we're with you. It was round nine. Round nine. Fuck, man. That's a totally different thing.

It is. You know? Round nine, that's fine. Yeah, exactly. So. All right, we talked about faces and new places. Would you be more surprised if Darren Waller is tight end one or tight end 10? 10.

That'd be way more surprising. Two or 10? No. I would say. No, he's just saying, what's more surprising? So success or failure? In that higher, failure is the, yeah, it's the, whatever the fuck. Failure would be more.

surprising. I think we're all really high on Darren Waller. What he's done in camp, all the reports are that he's just dominating both the players and the targets. And so for fantasy, I do think he's going to be outstanding this year. It's hard to say one, though, because there's a guy in Kansas City who's literally a Greek god and won't age out of football somehow. So here's a question for you. We have an award we give out every week on this show called the St. Louis Rams Memorial Award, which is basically a guy who balls out and nobody's watching the game at all because the team sucks or whatever. It's kind of a callback to my illustrious career. But I'm wondering. Hey, we're Cardinals fans over here. So we remember who you are.

Okay. Yeah. We remember you. Six million people nationally are watching the NFC West when we're playing. But the question is, who is an STL Memorial Fantasy guy this year that nobody's going to be watching? And you can almost use that factor to your advantage in drafting a guy that people aren't thinking about because of where they play. I got one for you because we'll go straight to the NFC West for it. Hollywood Brown may have a year in an absolute, you know, no one watches the games. Clayton, Tune, Colt McCoy, eventually Kyler, not a lot of victories, but Hollywood, he's a player, man. He's a good player. He's going to demand the targets. Hopkins.

I mean, he's not there anymore. So Hollywood's going to get it done. I don't know how many people are going to watch it happen, but he's a sneaky pick. Are you worried about Cooper Cup along the same vein? Because I don't think L.A. is going to be very good. And I don't know how healthy Matt Stafford is all year. And, you know, the target shares might be up.

I don't know. But like, how does that? It feels fragile. It feels fragile with Stafford and with that offense. But if Stafford is out there, I'm not worried about it. Okay. Yeah, he would just, Cooper Cup was so far in a way, still the best wide receiver last year.

You had, it turned into the Justin Jefferson year, of course, because end of season, he was the number one guy, uh, had a huge season, but Jefferson did have a couple hiccups in the resume this past year. Meanwhile, before Cooper Cup went down, and he was averaging multiple points per game more than Justin Jefferson. And he seems healthy with like,

we got that good cup news back at practice, that he's back at practice. Seems like he should be ready to go. So fragile is the right word that if this offensive line can't come together and protect Stafford, who has had kind of a few years running now of, he's an older guy and he's taking a lot of hits in his career. If Stafford goes out, that would be a pretty big downgrade to Cooper Cup. It wouldn't be the end of Cooper Cup because he's just too good. But that situation feels more fragile than like Kirk Cousins with Jefferson.

Who's going to be the most overdrafted player in this draft? Like before the last couple of days, I would have said Jonathan Taylor, but the public is kind of starting to react appropriately because we're not 100% sure what is going on in Indianapolis. It seemed very much like a contract dispute. We have the infamous hour-long bus meeting with the team owner.

That was weird. Then you have the leak that's, no, Jonathan Taylor has said, I want to be traded. Because he's trying to get that shmoney. Don't blame him. But there, then the team's like, no, we're not going to trade you,

which trading and running back can be very, very difficult. And then you're like, oh, no, Jonathan Taylor is actually still hurt from this ankle situation with the past year. And by all accounts, he should have been ready to go a while ago. So it's pretty scary.

Just dealing with the injury, dealing with the contract, then you have to factor in. It'll be Anthony Richardson at the quarterback position. He's a rookie quarterback and he's a mobile quarterback. Both of those things are not great for fantasy football output from the running back position.

But he's still Jonathan Taylor. There's no doubt that guy is still a top five running back in the NFL, but will his opportunities, will his health allow him to be what he was two years ago. And currently I would bet on no. Yeah, I think I can throw one more name.

Yeah, I got one to go. Joe Burrow. Oh, that was my name. Yeah. I think that's the tough one because he's going, like, you've got Alan Mahomes and Hertz that are going to go ahead of Burrow. But then you've got guys who really like later, the Justin's, right? Justin Fields, Justin Herbert.

And here's Joe Burrow kind of like, you know, it's just tough when you're not a mobile quarterback. I mean, he's an outstanding pro. outstanding real-life quarterback. But the touchdown variation, right? Like if he throws, you know, 40, you're happy. You know, if he throws 33, he's overdraft. Yeah, for sure.

And you also have the risk with the calf of reaggravation as the season goes on and or the worry that, like, he wasn't that mobile already. I think he had about 250 rushing yards last year. And obviously for fantasy, rushing is worth more to a quarterback than passing. so it's more valuable for fantasy points. But that could go down. You know, if he's worried about the calf, doesn't want to have reaggravation,

maybe he only has 100 to 150 rushing yards this year. Quick question for you guys. I got a couple just general. Number one, how many leagues is too many? Oh, man. We get that question a lot. People think we play in like, you know, like a hundred of them.

We intentionally carve it down so that we can enjoy Sunday and actually root for plays. Yeah, nothing worse. Yeah. We got two or three that are like live and breathe will make or break our emotional state for the weekend, right? And then we're in a handful of other ones sometimes together. You need to have a rooting interest. For sure, for sure.

And it depends on the type of league because I feel like you can have a couple extra dynasty leagues where you're not doing waiver wires every day and, you know, grinding as much. but for me it's like any more than five leagues and I am going to hate life. Yeah, the game on a Sunday where you're like, I need David Montgomery to score over 13 points, but under 17 points. He's throwing the prop bets. It's a fucking mess, dude. It's just that's not a,

it's not a healthy place to live when your margin for victory is so small and it relies on success yet, not too much success. Yeah, yeah. It's like betting a couple teasers and having the under and over. You don't even know what to do. You're like, am I crying right now? The answer is yes to this question.

Is your favorite draft a salary cap draft? Ooh. Yes. Right answer. Because you said that that is the answer. I also think that for us specifically doing full-time fantasy for many, many, many years, If salary leagues are, you know, an auction league, it gives an advantage to the people who know more about fantasy football, know all the players know the value of everyone.

Because in a normal redraft league, sometimes who you're going to take, it's not even, you don't have a choice, right? Like, you don't get to, like everyone likes Justin Jefferson, but did you get one of the first two picks? Because if not, you don't even need to worry about that. You're not in play. But when every single player is available for every single manager, then you're like, okay, who knows the most? So in that sense, it can be the most fun. Personally, my favorite is still the redraft, is the Keeper League,

is just the fun drafting leagues that are. That don't take like 12, 15 hours to get a draft over with? The auction ones could take a while. Last one for you here. Hall of Famers in fantasy. And I ask this because of performances. I don't mean, you know, Austin Echler. I mean, like one night where everybody's ass was on the line and this guy came through.

You know, there's unforgettable. Yeah, the 6TD Camara game, stuff like that. Like the past few years, there's some unforgettable late season performances that you guys were talking about. I'll jump in here because top ahead. It goes to Mike Evans. Yes, sir. Championship week last year. Like Mike Evans had just a stretch of games.

A stretch of games where the output was not. what you needed from Mike Evans. And then he came through, Jay, do you want to pull up the stat line? I've got him. He went 12 targets, 10 receptions, 207 yards, three touchdowns. And you're talking to the champion right now. And you know who I had in my lineup because you bought a jersey. I bought a signed jersey immediately.

That's awesome. That's awesome. I remember Todd. I don't remember exactly the week or stateline, but I remember Todd Gurley's the first McVeigh year after everyone was down It was pretty much every week. But it was every week, but it also carried right through the playoffs where it was like you watched Todd Gurley play a half and you had won your week.

I mean, it was over. It was over. And then shout out just a couple years ago, because you have the players who made a big impact for a very small amount of time. I was a big fan of Jeremy Hill, who was on the Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, yeah, you beat me. So Giovanni Bernard goes down, unfortunately, to injury.

It's Jeremy Hill's backfield. He turns into a monster, including. championship week. I believe it was like a 70-yard house call against the Denver Broncos. And it was against me, not the Broncos. And then it was over after that. I was a champion. I have Todd Gurley's championship week line from that first year. He was 22 carries for 118 yards, 10 receptions for 1508 receiving yards and two receiving touchdown. So yeah, that goes in the hall of favor. That's why I remembered it. That's all. That's wild.

We got to ask you for the shooting stars, the Jeremy Hills of the world, another time you come back. But I just, I wanted to give people a heads up on a couple of things that these guys are doing. Number one, this is very cool. The fantasy footballers have raised over 250K for St. Jude's Children's Hospital. From the sales of their ultimate draft kit, which I will be purchasing if I need to purchase it. I think it probably, over the last five years, they've done this. So appreciate what you guys do. currently the number one sports podcast worldwide.

We got the boys on the show right now. And then August 26, these guys are going to be live in L.A. So if you live in L.A., you listen to the show, go check these guys out. Where is that show? It's at the Palace Theater in Los Angeles. It's going to be fun. Nice. Have you done it before?

Have you done a live show? We've done a lot of live shows. Most years we tour and hit about four or five places around the country, do some smaller shows, some, you know, more packed out smaller venues. This time, though, 1,000-seat palace theater, it's going to be a wild environment this year. That's what's called a neg. We're like, hey, you're the number one show in the country. Have you ever done a live show?

Oh, he's spilling your water, huh? You're spilling your drink? You're all right? That's okay. All right. CJ spiller. Romeo Dobbs. Buffalo Bills.

Who else is, C.J. Romeo Dobbs, round nine. You're talking to a champion here. I'm going to win this year, guys, with your help, thank you. He's too proud to buy your thing, but I'm going to buy the thing. He thinks he's your fucking amazing. Y'all take it easy, man. Enjoyed it.

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That's dark. I don't mean it like. But like, you know, shit has been fucked up on the, on the uh wait who's lolita that's a that's that's a novel yeah it's a lollita's a novel about a young girl yeah it's a young girl and this older guy and it's not is that a jim ursay thing that's another whale or or they named a whale lolita this this is what i saw this is what i saw i had to act like i read that book my first year of college we've lost multiple whales yeah we've lost a couple whales this weekend. Okay, but the Colts are losing a running back. Maybe. So Jonathan Taylor has

permission to seek a trade. He was given his walking papers by Jim Ursa. The Colts have said, hey, open the lines of communication. Let's see what we can get for this guy. Take a walk, man. And if I'm Jonathan Taylor, I'm really happy. I'm probably already on the phone calling a few teams, you know, his agent would be. The list of teams is pretty short. When you look at the, you know, cap space teams have. I mean, you start with the Cardinals. They got $23 million. You don't want to kill a guy and not win games in the process. That's kind of the nature of taking on a high value running back is you want to be in the dance when you do. Cardinals, teams like that, not ready. I mean, like the Panthers have been thrown around. I think they're further off than people

think the Panthers with the number four cap space in the league. Lions shitters full. Indy, obviously, that's where he's leaving. Chicago Bears, have come up. Chicago Bears have come up and really if you're Ryan Pace and Ian Yates Cunningham and Iber Flusi have to decide how close are we? Because in a division like that, you had a dynamic back with a running quarterback. I know the fantasy footballers just talked about it. You don't want a dynamic back with a running quarterback when it comes to usage in a PPR league. But in reality, this would add a pretty solid component to their running. They're replacing David Montgomery.

I mean, you could use a solid run game with a young quarterback like that. Jacksonville has popped up, and we just talked about this off-camera. Nolan brought up a good point. You know, Tank Bigsby has come on, and you talk about the need to compliment Travis E.T.N. A guy who bounces the football. You need a guy who runs the ball downhill. Well, they might have just found cheap labor there. Like, no need to go sell the farm to go get Jonathan Taylor. The point being, as you go down this list and teams have less and us, cap space. They're either really good, like the Kansas City Chiefs, and they're in the

black right now. They're in the red right now, rather. And then Tampa Bay, who's also in the red, like, there are ways off. Like, you're not competing for anything. So my favorite teams, and he's probably already talking to these teams a little bit, are the Ravens, the charges, the Cowboys, and I'll tell you why. The Cowboys, I think, you know, you're replacing Zeke. you would be exceeding the value that you had at running back last year. If you're Philly and that's who they have to beat to get into the thing, I mean, they're going to get in anyways probably. It's a very talented team.

But, you know, Philly's the team to beat in the NFC East. When I was in Philly, we couldn't beat Zique. You know, we needed to play Alfred Morris to beat the Cowboys. And I'm not saying Jerry's looking at that, like, it's, you know, I've learned my lesson. I've got to have Zique to beat the Eagles in that talented front. they have that solid defense, but having a back like that would put them right back in the conversation. I mean, they're in the conversation now, but you add a back like that.

And I don't think people up in Philly would be very happy because that's somebody you got to see twice a year. He's very physical. The Chargers, man, I love the charges as a destination. They seem more all in than anybody. You know, if you look at teams that are all in this year, they've got to be up top on that list. You know, they got a new coordinator. They have a great third down back. I don't think Josh Kelly being the downhill guy is going to keep them from having this conversation.

They have the cap space to do it. And in division, like, check the fucking chief's chin, man, twice a year. Check the Broncos chin. We know what the Raiders rush defense looks like. This would give them a differentiating factor in that division. I would love the move, and I'd love the move in Baltimore. Okay. Because in Baltimore, you've given Lamar help on the outside.

You've got a new coordinator there. They're going to run some more creative stuff. Add a wrinkle with Jonathan Taylor. The quarterback run game, although it's not great in fantasy, as we mentioned with fantasy footballers in real life, having a motherfucker at quarterback who can tuck and run and a big back. It's really tough on the defense.

So I really like those three teams. You know, we talked about Jacksonville. People are talking about that. If you search Jonathan Taylor's name right now, you'd see 32 teams. Everybody wants Jonathan Taylor. I'm pretty sure some people in Arizona are like, let's get Jonathan Taylor.

You never know. You know, we've got Kyler. You've got Jonathan Taylor. Got some Zach Ertz in there. Maybe we're not tanking. Yes, you are tanking. Like, you don't need a running back. But some of these teams do.

And I think it's going to be interesting. I would make this move depending on, you know, and the cap hits not bad. I think it's like $6 million or something. year. It's $4 million. So it's really about then signing him to a new deal down the road. So it's got to be a team that feels like they can do that in unison with their best players, that they have the cap space right now, these three teams I did mention. And they also have to be teams that are in the dance right now. And those three teams fit the bill. Cowboys, Chargers,

Ravens. He could go anywhere. But I do feel like those are the best contending teams that could add a really good back right now and see the benefits. Um, quarterback's this weekend looking at the, uh, the preseason. I watched some to a tape. Boy, Nolan's got a fucking, a take quake, as some would call it. You want to hit us with that on the Miami subject? I will. Uh, the only reason I'm, I'm resistant to bet the dolphins going into the season.

We've talked a lot about the talent on that roster top to bottom is the durability of Tua. So with that being, uh, a possibility, maybe, unfortunately. more likely than not. I think the first call going out of South Beach in the event of a Tua injury is to Minnesota to bring Kirk. It's the Eden Prairie. Right.

Let's get you down to the beach. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something to that. We both talked about, you know, Kirk maybe not finishing the season with the Vikings because somebody's going to have a need, some contender. Contract year.

And we like Kirk. Contract year, the whole thing. We like Kirk. He's got an incentive to play well, the whole thing. He doesn't need one. The guy's fucking, he wants to be great all the time. You watch the Netflix documentary.

The guy's locked in. But can you imagine Kirk on South Beach? You got to put the flannels away. All the chains. Yeah, you got, yeah. Kirk-O chains will be out there. But you got to put the flannels away, man. I think it's an interesting point.

You know, we also, the dolphins came up in this conversation because they struck out on Dalvin Cook. But just because they would do X doesn't mean they do why. And it feels like the Dolphins. are a plug-in-play kind of running back by committee team where like maybe you use that that that that cap space the draft capital like it's an emergency down there up front terran armstead who's a hell of a player deron armstead who's a hell of a player got hurt you know this past week he left practice a little bit of a cloudy circumstance that we didn't he posts a picture or video of him walking on his foot it was like I see your barefoot today, but like he was walking, he was putting weight on it. They talk about maybe this guy's coming back by week one, but, you know, it's not even about that to me.

It's about the fact that they're not really short up at many of the other spots up front. And if this guy gets hurt, it's going to be, it's going to be ugly. I mean, I saw Austin Jackson playing some for them. I don't know if he would actually get the reps. I don't know who would play left tackle if the season started tomorrow, but they would be sorting shit out and they're too talented to leave especially with a quarterback who's who's taken the steps but he's had durability issues and honestly would like a good clean pocket i mean he's the kind of guy would like a good clean pocket i don't think he's great when he's pressured you got to go out

and get somebody and bactiari came up right because we were watching the packers tape and people were talking about bactiari might be traded and obviously everybody's talking about the jets there and they have the room to do it. If I'm the Jets, I go get this guy yesterday. Like, it's going to cost them $2 million this year. Now, I don't know if Green Bay sour grapes because of the way that negotiation went, but I figure what's the incentive for the Packers to do it? It's, it's probably just to gain some draft capital. I mean, they're not really dumping a big salary. It's a couple a million dollars but i think you could high end get a three for him we were talking about this earlier i feel like a three you'd be pretty happy if you were the packers you got a three for bachari coming off

you know injuries right is he he's been dinged up and that sort of thing he's going to be happier with erin he's probably on his wish list it's probably the top of his wish list and he's been one of the best tackles in the game the past 10 years so i think that's a big lift to a team like the jets jets are in the same boat as dolphins, in my opinion, wildly talented. But there's a huge position and neglect. I don't think they did. Obviously, Joe Douglas tried, you know, with Mackay Beckton, he's been hurt. Dwayne Brown, good vet, that sort of thing.

The head fan up there for a while. They just haven't quite been able to settle on two stalwart guys. If you can go give up a third for a guy like David Bactear, and I'm not trying to make it seem that simple, but if it was that simple, go do it. you know um we save the packers 215 in 2025 so you talk about incentive there's your incentive and uh you know they'd be they're down to 10 million cap space in new york i think so you can still do it it works for everybody some backups here for for the jets because it's an emergency everybody's talking about

these quarterback trades these other trades like tackle his position that i'm going to get a colton miller i'm going to get a dj humphrey's like i don't care who it is but I need a guy who can function protecting this asset that we just went out and got. And, you know, Colton Miller, that would be 14 and a quarter in cap space. I don't think the Raiders are going anywhere this year. DJ Humphreys, guy who's been in Arizona his whole career, 6 mil. That's what it would cost. So these are starting caliber tackles in the NFL, and that's what these guys need.

These guys need stability, whether it's Aaron Rogers or Tua. Yeah, Tua had some nice throws. He had Barrios over the middle of the few. When he fits the ball in between tight coverage sometimes, it looks like he's doing it on purpose. But I'm not sure then because I watched the first play. And, you know, he throws the ball right at the Mike Lineback. Right. When he's slinging it in there, you know, between his own or he gets somebody turned in, man,

he's got a tight window in the middle of the field, man. He looks sharp and it's all going to be about keeping him upright. I mean, they got a shot if they can keep him upright. looking at the paths bouncing around that division. Mack Jones looked fine. They look fine. I'm interested to see how much they're going to be under center. Interested to see if they're going to be running a lot more gun with Bill O'Brien.

You know, Enique Barre, this kid from Green Bay kind of reminds me of of Maude Brooks. I'm a little lazy with the jersey number. But this guy's a big body. He's obviously strong. He might be their third rusher up in Green Bay. And I got to tell you, I watched Jordan Love. It's not awful. Green Bay, little bullish on them, little bullish on them.

You know, they've got a couple good rushes up there in Preston Smith and Rishon Gary, who's going to be back this year from that injury. So watch Jimmy G. I think his left foot's still bothering him, right? It's his left foot, I think, because, you know, he's not playing that thing. I mean, he saw some pressure. It's not a lot of snaps, but he looked a little tentative on that left foot. So something to keep an eye on. Purdy looked good.

Okay, he looked like himself, rolling left, flipping his hips between three defenders. Like, it's funny when you watch preseason football, some of the schemes can actually give you a headache. And then you watch San Francisco and, like, the first place, somebody's open. Like, they just create space. It's refreshing when you got to get down in the weeds and watch some of these preseason games where the offenses are shitty or, you know, the quarterbacks are young. And then you watch a well-oiled machine like that. pretty look good. I mean, I'm happy with what I see there from him.

I didn't watch a ton of preseason other than the quarterbacks this weekend. So, you know, I know we're talking about Diggs, possibly wanting a trade out of Buffalo. I don't know. We don't think he's going anywhere, do we? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see.

We'll see. Kavon, Tibido, the one guy I did while I watched a little bit of Tibodeo. People are going to say, hey, you had a sack. this weekend. The sack was nice. Icky Aquan who's checking the B-Gab. It's probably an M.E. He's basically unblocked. But this is the way things go. People are probably praising

that play. The very next play, he had a beautiful BG-like, you know, kind of bold jerk to a rip, and he looked like he was running downhill. I mean, when he gets going, he does a good job of running that hoop at

full speed, and that's where he's got to get. And I saw some encouraging things from him. So Will McDonald's making a lot of noise talking about young rushers, excited to see him play, but mostly just focused on the quarterbacks right now, you know, and that's what you should be focused on, where the ball is going, because you're all fucking fiend in for fantasy football. I hope you enjoyed the fantasy football dudes we just had on fantasy footballers. They are awesome. I really did watch a good bit of their YouTube, so reminder, check them out. And now we've got Jeff Fisher, who, it's a guy we should call more, honestly.

He's got great stories. It's like on a day like today where there's not a lot to talk about, it's pretty easy to stretch 30 minutes with fish, helps that I played for him. But he's going to tell you a few of them. I hope you enjoy him. And we will be back later in the week after Fish. Saints General Manager, Mickey Loomis.

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every Thursday of 430 on amp. Check us out. Always a good day when I got Coach Fisher on. He's the right guy to talk to. He's lorded over a couple training camps. We are technically still in training camp. Coach Fisher, how you doing? Thanks for joining the show, ma'am.

It's always. Great to be here. Yeah, man. I'm good. I'm good, you know. It's a little bit more relaxing this time of year for me, as you know. I feel like every time I talk to you, I got to remind you that. But Fish ran a good camp, everybody out there.

He was fair. We worked hard. But you know the thing about, I don't know if you realize this fish. I don't know if I ever told you this, but we were working really fucking hard, but it never felt like it. Like, you know, if people ask like, how are Coach Fisher's practices, I'd be like, you don't come to think of it. They're kind of hard.

But we actually, we, you made it fun and you made it competitive. So we weren't thinking about that. Was that intentional? And like, how did you approach getting that competitive stuff out of camp? You know, well, you got to get it. But you got to be careful. but safety's got to be the issue. And you got everybody,

you've got to treat everybody differently because people have different needs. But what you want to do is, what you don't want to do is have guys out there in a routine that know you're in the middle of team and all you have is 12 more plays a team. And then you've got this and then you got that

and then practice is over. So I tried to vary everything just so all of a sudden when the horn blew, you're done. Yeah. And so you just don't want that routine and it makes practice go faster and then you know you spend all the time in situations but try to avoid that but you know it's it's different obviously now it's different because you know

you you don't have much time uh there's three games you know you remember i don't know how many played in did you play at all the last couple years in the preseason well you know the couple years the couple years i got hurt i know you had to see something out of me and i think there was an alana game where i looked over at the sideline late the second and i was like you know what the I thought. Yeah. But it was fair. I was talking about us. I was talking about at the end, your last two years. Yeah, no, last year. In England, you didn't do much. You didn't take place much. Well, I played some in New England because it was a new scheme and that sort of thing. I was coming from y'all's scheme. They were reducing me more to a three. And in Philly, they were super fair about it. You know, they were like, hey, you're old. We know what you are, what you're not. So take a seat. And that was cool until we had it clinched. it was zero degrees and we were playing the Cowboys Week 17.

And me and a couple older guys are out there well into the second quarter. And I'm like, man, this is like worse than a preseason game. I'm tackling Zeke. I can see my breath. It means nothing. Yeah, your recovery the next three days after that is a lot different than recovering from a preseason game. Exactly. That's the big deal.

You've got to bring it back. But what, give me a sense of the hours that coaches work in preseason because I don't think people at home realized like i don't think they know that players are there all day doing meetings and film some people but the coaches even more so you were good about i think like giving guys time you know the assistant coaches they always seemed really happy walking down the hall it was something you were doing but like but like what i didn't coach with that like were you know drill sergeants well i i mean i had one that i had to back down um and you cross pass with them rest of soul was

Gunther Cunningham. And, you know, when Gunther got let go by the chief, he barricade himself in his basement. And so I reached out to him and said, hey, man, come on. I said, let me handle all the other stuff that you just didn't like. And once you come be my linebacker coach, and so he did. But one of the things I had to do early on, I mean, Gunther was the first one in the building and the last one to leave. And, you know, he's dragging his ass out there on Wednesday trying to, you know, install the game plan with some energy and you don't have it. And so I just kind of, my thing was, look, it's not a race. Get your work done, go home.

You know, here's when our staff meetings are going to be. Here's when this is going to be. But beyond that, let the coordinators decide it's not a contest to see who can put the most time in. Get your work done. Be productive. Get it done. So, you know, training camp, you know, there's always something going on in training camp from head coach's perspective. It's, it's the, with the event of the day, the thing that you've already

scheduled months prior to that and everything is going on during the day, but it's those things that come up. And then in addition to that, you're, you know, you're constantly planning. It's, you're getting ready for, obviously getting ready for the open. You've got to monitor reps and you've got to monitor injuries and you've got to do all those things. So some of that stuff is better done at the office than it is at home. But yeah, there's, you know, it's time consuming. But the other thing is, you know, you're not really in that two practice a day world anymore. You know, you're going to have a walk through to practice, and then, you know, you know how we are, how we change things up.

And so try to have the crisp practice, try to build a full speed, try to do your thing, monitor. But it's definitely time-consuming. And you can see the frustration when when things are, people are forced to change. I think Tennessee and New England just kind of aborted some joint practices. and they because of the injury you probably already talked about yeah but i just read that i go man that changes the week yeah so you know so now you got to scramble and you know you got to reschedule the week because when you guys come in we've got we got we got to we're talking about and what we're doing yeah what about the joint practices we i mean i feel like we had a few i know we had some when i was

young uh i think i was a rookie and we went to nashville and like the the draw of the joint practice is real competition is different looks you know for me i love like i hated one-on-one pass rush when i was going against the same guy every day because i'm not getting the same look me and havenstine we kind of we have it down by now but like you know when you go to another team you see different sets you also get the competitive juices but what you do get to is these fights and there was a big one when when we came to tennessee i remember courtland was involved before i knew court i was like okay that guy likes the fight uh and then we also had a big one in ox star too How do you guys... Were you there in Oxnard for that?

Were you there for that? Yeah, I got caught on camera over by the fence. Oh, did he stand in there? Oh, yeah, that one, I knew that was coming. You guys, I mean, I don't never told that story, but I knew it was coming because of the conduct of one of the Dallas Cowboy players who wasn't practicing. And, you know, I reached out to them to say, hey, look,

some of this stuff may be a little inappropriate. Is there any way you can maybe put a lid on what's, being said from the sideline. And when I didn't get the response, I liked, I knew things were going to get out of hand. I don't remember, but I put beer on the buses without you guys knowing it because I knew it wasn't good practice. We weren't going to get through practice.

It was going to end up there. And hey, when it was done, when the fight was over, we broke it up, we're on the buses, and we're drinking beer on the way home. Oh, man, it was insane. It was insane. Like this fight, I don't know if you've had any like this before, our fight but we had some real characters and you know Dallas did have a guy who was in a hat a

bucket hat talking shit and actually one of our rookie dbs knocked him down three times in the same fight it was incredible the guy kept getting up he was he's a fairly notable player uh but it was with an iron job he has a really good he has an amazing chin because he was getting stuck but like there were cops running around the field like just trying to stop people I felt like I was in a brave heart battle like i was just running down the field looking for somebody a deck and then we end up over by the fence and the la rams fans who are as you know because you coached there like they're very passionate too and they were hanging over the fucking fence getting it involved in the action but we got on the bus and i could not believe it there was a cooler of beers man and we went back to the hotel we had an

early day because they ended practice an hour early and fish came through with the uh budlites so yeah but i knew again the point i knew it was going to happen the day before just because you could see where it's going and everything. So I was involved in one other. First or second year coaching, we're down in Atlanta, and Jerry Glanville is coaching the Falcons. Buddy Ryan is coaching the Eagles. And this is the run and shoot Atlanta Falcons.

And so, you know, a conventional seven-on-seven, you don't break up passes or do anything. You just, they just take the ball down the field. And there was some frustration on behalf of one of our players. He took it out on Andre Reisen. Oh, by the way, I ran into, I crossed pass with them in the last year. I think it might have been out at the NFL PA game when I coached it the last couple years.

But I ran into him. And man, we reminisced and had so much fun about that fight. Because there were, it was Andre and Andre Waters, rest of soul. And Andre Risen and Andre Waters was on top. sitting on Andre Reisen's chest in the middle of the field during seven on seven, and he's just rabbit punching him. And that's when the whole thing started, and that practice never finished either.

And so, but yeah, but there's a, there should be an understanding. I mean, I talked extensively about going in there and respecting them and, you know, and not having these issues because you want to get through practice. The practice, you're not going to get as much out of it. other than what you say you did, Chris, where you get a shot to rush against somebody else.

But it's the young guys that need the work to get them ready. And so, you know, if you can get through these practices without those events and things, then you get quality of work. But, you know, I can see now because of the three preseason games, which is basically two, you know, because not anybody's really playing in that last one. The one and two are important. and you're going to do joint practices around one and two just to get the quality work. So, you know, I haven't looked.

I've done the survey to see who all is doing it, but it makes sense to be able to do it. I just saw Jerry Glanville on Google Image, and what a bell buckle that guy had. Yeah, yeah, he was a piece of work. He had to be a piece of work. How about with opposing coaches? I always wondered this. I asked Kevin O'Connell last week, but you've been through a lot more than him with preseason. in games. You know, we talked about earlier, like, how you rest your starters or play them,

but also there's the element of you want good on good when you can get it. You want to know, hey, am I one's going to be going against the threes? Did you all ever rap before games, you and other head coaches about, like, who's playing, who's not playing, and were some more guarding that close to the vest? You know, it really, it really depends on who the relationship was with the other head coach. Yeah. But, you know, it's frowned upon, you know, the league doesn't like it. They don't want you to cut deals in preseason games. I mean, everybody knows what the deal is going in.

You like a two-and-a-half-hour game and you want 40 carries and you want some third-down rushes and you don't, you want touchbacks, you know, stuff like that. But yeah, I did. It was with Mike Shanahan, actually. And we had, we had, we wanted to play some young guys. And the deal was, it was funny, funny to bring it up. It was, you know, all right, I'm going to just do these. formations, no motion at all. Let's just get through the game.

So there's no motion. I go, yeah, fine, no motion, no big deal. So we get to the end of the game. And Mike is, he's getting ready to score and scores and ends up tying the game. Now, what you don't want to do is what? You don't go. No, you don't go to O.T. Yeah.

So Mike sends Jumbo out there, goal line personnel, and he motions the, full back, you know, from my formation, from a strong set to a weak set, and then punched it in for two and they want something like that. And he calls the next day apologizing about promotion. So, you know, and the guy traveled three yards. He didn't cross formation, no strength change or nothing. But anyway, you know, it gets back to, you know, who you're dealing with. And I presume, I mean, you know, I would think that Tennessee, New England probably have a pretty good relationship, you know, going into practice. And they're probably going to talk about it. You know, you know, you want to win a game.

You want to play your players. You want to develop your players. And, you know, so there is, you know, there's, you can rub somebody wrong if you, if you had an understanding and then you disregarded it. You know, the one thing that you look for is that, okay, it's like zero blitzes. Yeah. You know, if somebody just going to lose their freaking mind and then just blitz the shit out of you. I mean, that was, that was buddy Ryan. And when we drafted Steve.

McNair and we were the you know you know he was head coach of the Arizona Cardinals and he came into came we had a game canceled and this was 95 and we had a game canceled during all the move stuff and then we come back and buddy comes in and Steve had he hadn't played in first game because he was canceled and buddy just came in and he mugs the A gaps and they're free Steve couldn't get this. Nat and it's now I'm spending a week working him through this like shock. state a shock that he's in because he you know he had such so much trouble it's like come on buddy you know i'm developing a quarterback i was kind of wondering i was wondering if you ever had to talk gregg down uh when we were in st louis and be like hey we're not doing any fucking cover zero

this week oh yeah no i've you remember well what i did was yeah i went in and say this is what we're going to do um or what are you going to do and then no you're not you know you basically But that's where it becomes a challenge. For example, I know this was an issue for Greg. But to me, it's largely a head coach's issue, not a Greg Williams issue. But when you're down at New Orleans and you go to camp and you got Drew Breeds and you got ones versus ones, you're trying to, you're trying as hard as you can to confuse and trick-dick and beat the offense with a veteran season quarterback. It's a game, you know, and so, you know, and hey, that's all good.

But you don't do that against Sam Darnold when you go to the Jets. Yeah. Okay, because Sam Donald might just say I was seeing ghosts. Yeah, might say that. You know? I think I've heard of it. So, you know, yeah, so you know what I'm saying? I mean, you got a, if you got a young quarterback, then, you know, you have to, your defense,

you have to tailor your defense to bring him along, you know, bring the young quarterback along and no surprises that's kind of the way we what we did with Jared hey one thing i've telling my guys here about like fines in the NFL is there it's a lot of money and uh you were pretty good about it like you weren't looking to hit people's pockets but you know around here these guys fuck up from time to time and i'm like guys like if we were laid out of the locker room in preseason like it was like 20 grand and i can remember jim schwartz just freaking out on three guys who grabbed a couple extra bags of peanuts and put them in their socks and we were we had guys walk out through the through the end zone during the kickoff of the second half and i'm like they're fucked uh do you remember

ever hitting any of us for coming out of the locker room late at half i mean like all the shit that goes into a preseason game that coached to have to worry about that people aren't thinking about when it comes to the ex and those but even the the you know keeping everybody involved no i i tried i mean i i you remember that i i didn't really like dressing down You know, but and the league didn't want you to dress down, meaning you rush, you go out and play a couple of series in the first quarter, and you're done, and you go out at halftime, you drop your pads, you come out in your jersey and all that.

I tried to stay away from that, but no, I mean, if you're, I mean, realistically speaking, man, if you know whether or not you're going to play to start the third quarter and whether you're not, and from my standpoint, I mean, there's a difference, You know, I mean, you know, the young guy that's going to go out and get that first defensive snap. He needs to be out there and warm and ready to go because he's either not, most likely not played yet. Or he's carrying over in the transition through halftime, which he's young. He needs to go through that. But, but no, I was, I mean, the whole fine thing, I was, you know, I could count on one hand probably a number of players that I actually find.

Penny Britt, Kenny Britt, Kenny Britt, any Britt. Yeah. William Hayes. You know what? But basically, you know, they would get a, there's a difference, Chris, now I'm telling everybody, there's a difference between getting a fine slip in your locker and me sending it down to payroll. So usually everybody came in to have a, you know, I'll have a hearing, you know, I'll have

a hearing. You know, I have my doors open. Come on, let's have a little of hearing. I'll let you appeal it. And so most of the time, I would just throw it in the drawer and say, all right, if it happens again, I'm going to double it and turn it in. So to me, I never, I didn't want to take anybody's money. Well, now there were some, when the league does, the league does. There's nothing you can do about it. But from a club standpoint, now, if it's, I mean, if it's egregious, I mean, someone's late for

a plane, you know, and stuff like that, and there's really not a legit excuse. I mean, there's no excuse. But anyway, it's all case. We had a guy late for the plane. There, you guys, the guys have to look good on hard knocks, man. You know, they got to have their bucket hat and their jersey with no shoulder pads. So you got to get your fit right for the second half. With the hard knocks thing, you had hard knocks. And I remember not being on the team anymore and thinking like, man, I'm glad I'm not on the team anymore just for this reason because I do not want to get followed around by cameras in preseason. You guys did a pretty good job with it. But I know there were some, there were a couple distractions that got caught on camera. My most famous cut of all time on hard knocks is probably you.

And now they're saying no more cuts on hard knocks. How do you feel when you heard that news? Did you want to do that privately? No, I was, I was okay. Just historically, you know, Hard knocks came to us for a long time. And, you know, I just kind of at that time, we was just like, no. Because we dealt with them with a competition committee and Howard Katz and everybody. And so it was like, man.

And then I just kind of held out as long as I could. And then remember, we drafted Michael Sam. And that's when they really wanted it. And I just said, that's not fair to the team. It's not fair to Michael. It's not fair to anybody. No, we'll give you the content. Well, our guys will give you whatever content you want.

But when we actually agreed to it was to capture the move, because they'd never captured an NFL move before. And so I just said, yeah, do it. So I really enjoyed it. And I say that, I mean, I talk, you know, Todd Haley, Todd Haley says Jeff Fisher and Todd Haley were the two coaches that got fired right after Hard Knocks. Well, okay. If that's how you feel, Todd, it's okay.

I don't think Hard Knocks had anything to do with me getting fired. But, but what we did was, you know, they just disappeared. Yeah. And they really did. And so there were moments on the practice field or post practice where I said, hey, guys, I need some time here. Everybody get it. And they would shut down. There were no hot mics if you needed your time.

And so, and then we got, you know, I got to look at everything. And then got invited, got invited to join the crew to watch the actual show itself because they don't see it until it's actually aired live on TV. So I was taking coaches in each week to take them over and hang out with the camera guys and the sound guys and stuff and to watch it. But I knew everything that was going in. And so I was okay with it. I didn't have a problem.

Literally, they just disappeared. Now, they continued on through that year. Yeah. And then, you know, that's when they had 10 good, 10 good weeks and then they got to capture me being dismissed. I never saw it. Yeah. Not something I want to watch.

Yeah. No, it was fun. No, it was fun. It was fun. Yeah, it was great.

It was a short week. I thought you cutting me was fine. I always tell people it was the most pleasant cut I've ever. I mean, I've only been cut once, but it was so pleasant. It was like, you fear it for years.

And then you're like, oh, it's just fish call me on the phone. What's you up to, buddy? We're just going to let you a James go. Yeah. How about telling the truth?

You know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't necessarily get the truth out of, I don't think I got the truth out of the Rams, but whatever, they're truth. But anyway, I was, I was okay with it. So, so that was, so there's a, it's a, it's after,

I don't know, we had a rough loss at home. We had gone out, won some games, and then I'd loss at home, and then we're on a short week. We've got Thursday game at Seattle, and it's cranking. And, I mean, it's ripping, you know, and I come in Monday,

and so it's a short week. And he was like, see you. So I go. And then you walk, how does that go? Do you talk to Bones for a little bit? Because I think he was the interim. A little bit. I mean, I was on a phone with him for four hours a day.

Yeah. For the whole time. Yeah. You know, even, even, you know, just continuing to schedule and helping him and all this thing. But so the cool, my memory was this was the team was leaving on Wednesday to play Thursday, Wednesday afternoon to go to Seattle and play. And so I figured once the team's gone, I'll come in and grab my stuff. And so Julie and I think my Brandon's wife, Hank, we go to the office. And they haven't left yet.

And the buses are parked around their way and the escorts in front of them. And they haven't left yet. Well, we had just picked up a puppy golden retriever. Yeah. And Julie brought it over to the office. And I walked outside with a golden retriever in my arm as the buses were. driving by and I waved and gave them a thumbs up kind of like good luck guys I'm getting my stuff and then I got and then I got invited from by case and the rest of guys to come to the

player only Christmas party so anyway really yeah no we no we just kind of was just kind of it was sad you know we all lost our butts and everything like that but it's just that's part of it you know what bump phillips say way back one it's like there's two kinds of coaches those that have been fired, those are going to get fire. You know? And I went 22 years, so there you have it. Well, with the hard knock stuff that we got to see William Hayes on a big

stage, I think you got a nighttime TV spot or two out of that thing, because he doesn't believe in dinosaurs. They took him the LeBretaire-Tar pits. Nice little segment there. And he got a mermaid segment. And he got a mermaid segment. Let's not forget that. I can't forget that.

And that was Jared Gough. Jared, I think they asked Jared, they were flying doing something and they asked Jared where the which directions is the sunrise and he didn't know yeah well one time we asked Sammy Brown to put South America on a map he he wrote it on Africa did he also Sammy Brown when we went to London I don't know if you remember this we went up in our hotel rooms before we played the the Patriots and you know everybody's got BBC on TV that's the news that's their CNN and Sammy comes down to Steve Miller

head of security and he's like hey Steve can you turn the accents off Can you put the, can you put the TV in English? He goes, he goes, Sammy, it is in English. She goes, yeah, can you turn the accents off, though? So, yeah. Did we ever do the practice squad player of the year that goes to Pro Bowl? Yeah, I think we did. I think we did.

Sammy would have been a good one. Oh, gosh. With the cuts, what's the toughest cut you ever had to make? I mean, is it a guy that's been on the team a long time? Or is it somebody that you've kind of, identified with their struggle trying to make the roster yeah there were always i mean everyone was different um and i talked to everybody um i the nightmare stories of the clubs where you know you got a a ga or an intern you know saying hey turn your stuff in and they don't even hear talk you to talk to

coach i always tried to tell everybody the truth even if they disagreed with me at least they know what i'm thinking and some of it and with the young guys in particular some of guys, hey, man, you took it as far as you could, you should be proud, you know, and you, but you just don't have this skill set, in my opinion. Or, hey, you do, but you're, you know, you're a thousand snaps away and you need to find your way into camp, let me, whatever it is, and you just kind of do that. Now, the toughest one, you know, you know, anytime, I mean, I had, I had a conversation with Steve McNair, and, and it wasn't my decision. It was an organizational decision the owner decided but um and then he found out from the agent but still it was the you know

it was the reality of the goodbye um that he's not going to be here that he's going to the baltimore but you know obviously we stayed close after that until until the unfortunate happened but that was probably one just because we were we've gotten so close over time um you know it's just uh and then you're right up there i mean yeah Yeah, but I mean, we made it easy. I know. We made it easy. Yeah, we did, but still, it's not, it's one of those things that, that, you know, that's, it's a hard part about the business.

And, you know, and, and, and, and, and I think you've got to group that with also firing coaches. You know, that's a difficult thing to do as well. And coaches get fired because they refuse to make changes. It's not, it's just, it's impossible to have worked with everybody before. even that you got guys that you work with before they they don't understand so you know that whole that whole aspect but if you think about what i mean it was 21 22 years and you know you go in with 80 man roster go to 53 i mean you talk about 25 30 guys a year and so yeah and i i did everything i could to talk to every single one of them on a lighter note you were talking about ties earlier

you remember the only tie we ever had almost had two well yeah we almost had two we almost had two we were playing san francisco so close i think we did we tie them no we we beat them nine six it was like an overtime it was the most physical game i've ever played in it was incredible and then we also tied the niners earlier that year in san francisco so we almost tied the same team twice but i wanted to ask you if you remember getting off the the the plane uh after the tie a game in which i didn't know the rules when they missed that field goal at the end of the game i was like what the fuck is happening now i had to look at fish like Like, give me a situation, coach.

You weren't the only one. Yeah. Because they just changed the rule. And by the way, in preseason, they changed the rule in 2021. You can't tie anymore. So the other night, the Eagles and the Browns tied like 1818. And nobody wants to be at the stadium for another hour. But I got off the bus that night.

And I remember face planning. I got on the bus and face planted onto the stairs because I had had a couple beverages before they outlawed having beverages. And I face planted on the stairs getting on the bus. in St. Louis and I looked up and you, it was bus one. Like you were right there. You were looking right at me and you were like, good game tonight, Chris. And that's all we said. Do you remember that? Do you remember me falling drunk on my face in front of you? Yeah, I remember. Yeah. I mean, there was a, yeah, I mean, you were just rehydrating. At least I played well, though.

You were rehydrated. You had to hydrate. That's a, I mean, it was a physical long name. It was a physical. Yeah. You weren't the only one. You weren't the only one that was going, what's going on here. And then what becomes different for coaches is you managing that game. Yeah. Okay. There's a, there's a threshold at the end and depend on a scenario where, okay, I don't want to make a mistake and lose it. Right. I've had 13 and a half, 14 minutes to win this. I can't win it. I don't want to lose it. And now you end up settling, okay, worst thing can happen. We got a tie. The Staley, the Staley situation with Staley and Basatchi a couple years ago where, you know, Staley's playing for the tie, I think it was.

You know, I still haven't wrapped my head around like the waiting of winning a game versus tying game versus losing a game. That's something you guys are constantly considering in the fourth quarter of a game like that. Well, I don't, I don't, I'd never consider. I mean, it was just, I knew common sense tells you. I don't know what the, you know, the, you know, the odds are the, the analytics say, but common sense says at this point, all right, it's for, it's third and seven, third night, you're at midfield, try to get it.

I mean, you go for it at fourth and seven and give them the ball, where two first downs and a field goal and you lose versus punt the ball away. Yeah. You know, and so those are, yeah, those are decisions that you just have, yeah, just have to make. Oilers, Titans, coach, should they be able to wear the Titans? uniforms that predated the uh the titans the the the oilers uniforms um i would say no you would say no wow well i mean i mean they're the titans unless i'm now granted you know granted we were the

oilers and became the titans you're the guy you can answer this question so yeah if you want to throwback you know you want to wear a throwback jersey or or uniforms i would think so i mean they own the rights to it. He didn't leave. I'm sure the family and Amy, and Bud didn't leave it in Houston. He didn't leave anything in Houston. So, um, but,

um, I, you know, but the Titans are the Titans. I mean, if you, you're still the Titans, but you're wearing the Titans, or Titans are the Oilers uniforms better than? Oh,

um, that one, that's a hard call. Um, I, we had some, I mean, we had some sweet combinations. I thought before they had combinations in Houston. I mean, those were some, those were, I like the Titans. I like the Titans. Oh, no, I do.

Trust me, I do too. I mean, we had some really great combinations. But I could see it doing just as a throwback, just memories. Well, okay, so the bears, your playing days, just one or two on your playing days before late. Because I like to remind people that the fish was a good football player, too, not just a good coach. coach, good football player, played on one of the best defenses of all time in that mid-80s Bears group. And I kind of wondered this came up this week with Miles Jack.

You heard he retired. He was a good player injuries, that sort of thing. But he said last year he was considering becoming like a plumber or an electrician. And it kind of reminded me of the days when dudes, according to my dad, actually had off-season jobs. And I kind of wonder, like, did dudes on that Bears defense, like not Mongo maybe? not Richard Dent, but did guys have jobs in the offseason? No. Well, I could think of one that had a restaurant in Colorado.

Our first round pick from Cal had a travel agency, Ted Albrick, and he retired into that. I actually rented an office space from him because for three years there in the offseason, I sold computer equipment. software. What? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I did.

I was a startup. I was with a startup company. There's a long time now from the time that season's over to camp starts. And you got a three-day minicamp. You're going to be sore for a month after the three-day minicamp. There's nothing going on. And I didn't know how long I was going to play. And I got an opportunity.

I was driving around the Midwest selling a maintenance management software program to petalchemical and utility companies. And actually, check this out, man. I made more money selling software than I did my last year with including the Super Bowl check. No fucking way. Yeah. And then that's what I was going to retire and go into when Buddy offered me the job to get into coaching. I actually told him no.

In front of Julie, I told him no because I wanted to try to play. She was working in Chicago, modeling Chicago. And then I felt this thick feeling. And I called Buddy back. I go, you get my job away? He goes, no. I said, I'll see you there for it. And so that was the last, yeah, that was the last bit of software that I sold.

I just, I just found something else out about you today. So I know you sold software, but also that you broke your leg with the bears. And the guy that tackled you, you were a hell of a punt returner. You returned a bunch of punts in one. game i think you had the record for eight punt returns in a game which i don't know what the fuck the offense was doing but you know fish was catching a bunch of puns bill cower broke your leg and then you guys became rivals in in the same division and i'm kind of wondering if you ever like that motherfucker he broke my leg in 1983 well you uh i don't think we played you weren't on my team when we

played bill cower when he was a head coach but i reminded our guys Saturday night that in the event that you're a little out of control and you're you got some speed and you're going out on their boundary, if you roll into the head coach's legs, it's okay. So that's what we did here. But no, I'm kidding. But, yeah, I was, you know what? I just got an opportunity to start at free safety because Gary Fencing had gotten hurt for a few weeks. So, you know, I was in Philly and they sent me back.

to handle a punt because they didn't trust the guy behind me making a decision. And so it was a low kick, and I just grabbed it. I tried to get what I could. And I tried to get down. I spun and I got held up. And somebody came from just wiped out everybody's legs. And I felt the track. And so I'm laying there.

The only time I was unable to get up. And so I'm laying there. And the trainer comes out and Doc comes out. And I said, hey, my leg's broken. can't get up and he goes, your leg's broken, you pussy. And so he starts to manipulate it. And he goes, oh, it is. So this is a great story, man.

So we, so I go in, they put, you know, they wrap it up, put it nice. Got to go from Philly all the way to Chicago. It's kind of October. It's just a cold night in Chicago. I go to the hospital up there in Lake Forest, whatever, get the x-ray, get the cast put on. And Julie comes to pick me up. It's cold. She's going to meet me at the hospital and kind of in a hurry.

And I'm sliding in the back door in the back seat. Remember those Bronco twos? You probably don't remember. Yeah, they're a little bit smaller. They're a little. Stop making them in the 90s. Yeah, because they would just roll over anytime you turn left or right. Yeah.

So, yeah. So anyway, I'm pulling my leg with a freshly wrapped plaster cast in the end of the back of the car. And she slams the car door on my leg. because she was cold and she was in a hurry. So anyway, four doors. Yeah,

anyway, that was 83. I came back off it and play. But yeah, Bill did. He takes all this credit for launching my coaching career. Well, I played two years after that.

Yeah. Yeah. What about that, Bill? The worst sideline injury had to be William Hayes, though. Oh, my gosh. I told somebody that, you know,

early in the summer, that story. and yeah tell my producers they're back here i tell them william hayes stories we tell them this one before we let you go okay so we're um we're in kansas city now this wasn't uh no yeah i went to kansas city i had two 100 yard rushers i had uh chris johnson and lindel way lindle white so went in there and we freaking we were tearing them up so we weren't as good this this time around into kansas Kansas City. I think Kerry, who was our, who was, who was, who was stolen the ball? Who was the quarterback? Um, Gary Collins probably. Yeah, it was Carrie. Yeah. So it's Carrie. And, um, and Will's,

will's clearly in Tennessee. We've got, he doesn't know it in the second. No, no, no. But so it's like it's third quarter. We went in thin on the D line and now we're really thin. Okay. I got like one, five guys. And the trainer comes up to me and he says, hey, we're down to four now. I go, what the hell? Because Kyle had gotten hurt, Vannebosch had gotten hurt or something. And now he had five. And he comes in. He goes, we're down to four. I go, what are you talking about? What happened? He goes, William Hayes is out. He has a concussion. I go, concussion. Are you kidding me? He goes, you're not going to believe it. So Will is sitting on the bench and the offense is moving right to left. of the bench and carry is not going to take a hit so if it's not there carry is smart we want

10 a row with care this wasn't a year but um carry carry back foot hits it's not there he throws the ball away well it's a cold sunday afternoon kansas city and he throws the ball away and the ball hits will in the temple sitting on the he wasn't watching the game he just looking he was looking forward yeah i mean there's people i'm sure you know how it is he's he's What you guys do? You sit there, you catch your breath. You just kind of, you're talking to somebody. The ball hit him in the temple.

And the trainer just, I didn't know. I was on, I was working. I was up on the boundary. But the trainer said, coach, it sounded like a melon. I mean, and then, you know, I couldn't wait to get on the plane to get the laptop to get in my seat. And fast forward to the play to see it. That's sideline. Gosh.

Yeah. Yeah, that was it. Oh, that's good. That's so good. Right in the bench, maybe. Well, when we get you back on, we need some Eagles stories, because I forgot all about that chapter, and you got to watch that whole group.

We had the Eagles set that sack record last year, but it might be an asterisk there, coach. Well, yeah, we had some sacks back then. 18 games, though. It might be a little different. I know. Oh, it's different. Yeah.

Which, you mean, you want to talk about Reggie and Clyde and Jerome and Mike Pitts and Mike Golick and those guys? I'm happy to talk about that. Bad asses. Clyde, you brought Clyde to St. Louis. Clyde was my coach. Clyde is coaching the D-line here for Eddie at Tennessee State. That's great. That's great.

That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Well, Coach Fisher, appreciate you. I know we kept your while, so thank you so much for your time. Always a pleasure. Soon, man. All right. We'll do it.

Be good, man. We don't know.