Green Light with Chris Long - Freddie Gibbs! On Music, Working with Producers, Acting Career and Artists He Respects. "Remember the Titans" Review. Coach Wookie on NCAA CWS.

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

(01:07) - Welcome, Layup Line, Good, Bad and Ugly from the Week. (30:00) - Freddie Gibbs on Music, Collaborating with Producers, Acting Career, Artists He Respects and Football Background. (1:03:27) - Chris and Macon Rank National Flags for Flag Day. (1:13:42) - Chris and Wookie Preview the 2021 NCAA College World Series. (1:21:07) - Chris and Wookie Review "Remember the Titans." Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

But the worst scene was preceding that fumble in the state championship, how slow that guy was running, how bad the running was. The running was like jarring bad, dude. The running was jarring bad. And on the topic of that play, the play that followed it, the coach panicked, oh, they're going to throw it deep. What the fuck do you think they're going to do, coach? It's the last play of the state championship.

They're backed up. Like, what else do they have to do? And he acted like it was like this revolutionary thought that they're going to throw a deep. Act show. We're going to get you and get you out. Okay? Get you in, get you out. That's what the coach used to say.

It was going to be a quick, efficient day. Was it a pack show? Are we going to get you and get you out? A little bit of both. We're going to pack a lot into this show. We're going to get you in and we're going to get you out. Right now you're in. About 90 minutes, you might be out.

Nice. Freddie Gibbs. Freddie Gibbs. Happy birthday, Freddie Gibbs. Oh, I did see that, huh? June 14th. It's today. It's today.

It's today. 1982. Our today, you're yesterday. So, sort of relevant. Hell yeah. Happy birthday, Freddy. Freddie Gibbs was just on our show.

I had Freddie Gibbs last Friday before the weekend. I was sitting here drinking some of this whistle pig, rye whiskey, talking to Freddie Gibbs. He was picking up his mom from the airport, and we were basically on a FaceTime. It was a great interview. I love his music, and it's funny, like, I don't listen to a lot of rap,

but anything he puts out I'll at least take a look and he was a fun guest I mean the guy's funny as hell he's insightful as hell he's smart as hell and I think you're gonna enjoy it make if you've never heard a single song

to be clear on this very show right here Freddie Gibbs of Gary Indiana of Gary Indiana and born Frederick Jamel Tipton stage name Freddy Gibbs yep you're gonna enjoy this interview I don't know if you listen

to rap or not, but if you come this far, just don't complain to me that you've never heard of Freddie Gibbs or that you don't like rap music or, you know, if you make it about 30 minutes into this podcast, next thing you're going to run into is Freddie Gibbs. One of the best. Also, on the back end of that, my high school baseball coach, been on the show before we're going to go through and do, and Woke will do a lot of these, but I basically committed that on Mondays, you know, a lot of times in this dead period in the summer. Now, right now, I've got a lot going on, but throughout July, you know the dog days, right, before baseball goes in the playoffs.

Yeah, we got some Olympics, but if we're being serious, how could we talk about the Olympics every Monday for an extended period of time? We got to have something to do, so we're going to do some football movies. We're going to roll this thing out today. Our first review is going to be,

Remember the Titans. Football movies, as I'll say later on in this podcast, probably, haven't seen them. Like, don't watch them. Haven't seen them in over a decade. No matter what movie it is, you name it. I have not watched a football movie lately. Remember the Titans last night is the first one in a long time.

Myself, Coach Wookie, you're gonna go through that. And then as the summer goes on on Mondays, in the C block as we call it, here at Studio J, Flavor Station, we are going to break down some classics. I don't know, Wildcats, Necessary Roughness, I don't know, Friday Night Lights, you name it. Rudy, might even fuck around and watch Rudy. Little Siskel and Ebert up in this bitch, as J.B. Smooth might say.

Don't you usually save those? I do, but I, hey, pack show without a lot of me. I got a fire on ready. That's right. Exactly. Macon, Macon's going to be a part of the A. You're not going to hear him in Gibbs, and you won't hear much of them after that. So he's got. Although. Although, what?

It is flag day. It is flag day. So we're going to tape a little bridge discussing the most elite flags of countries in this world. There's like 290 countries and we're going to do a flag day thing on the on the tail end of Gibbs so that making will be back for that. But he's got to get his bad words out. O'Clair, Wisconsin. Hello!

This one swore it was pronounced E. Clair. I wondered if they... That's the dessert. Yeah, I wonder if they invented them here. Like, O'Clair, Wisconsin, perfect place to claim like a dessert and just make it, like, put a big billboard when you get in that town, like home of the oatmeal cream pie or some shit. that shout out Nick Saven. Also, O'Clair, the home of Justin Vernon. Wow. Bonnie Vair. You probably like Bonnie Verre. You know N-Space, I-V-E-R. We found a band you like.

You like Bonnie-V-E-R? I know how to spell it. You don't know the music. I probably do. Let's make you a playlist. This is the O'Clair-Justin Vernon playlist. Okay. We'll slap it on Greenlight Pop. We've got, we're up to like four playlists on there and we need country gold from you soon. or maybe Macon's Country Gold playlist. I'm ready. Okay. Speaking of music, layup line today. I beat the pop like those would be Michael DeVane.

What came my life? What came I thought, but they're smoking the same. Flat tummy T. Freddie Gibbs. Oh, then I played that one and I was like, ah, I want to play education because that's actually my favorite song on that album. Oh, no, let's go Palm Olive. I could play, you know, 10 songs from that bandana album. But we settled on 1985.

1985. 1985 is the best off the latest to me and that of course is the Alfredo album that Gibbs did with Alchemist. Gibbs began working out of Gary Mall where he met local hip-hop producer Fingerroll. Now I don't know if finger roll is known in the hip-hop communities

to this day or not, but Finger-roll is the best name I've ever heard for anything. That's a tight name. Finger roll. George Gervin. Yeah, Iceman. Could have been the Iceman. Could have been.

Yeah. He said he went with finger roll. Yeah. Didn't want to do your nickname thing. Yeah, so you'll hear more about Gibbs. You'll hear more from Gibbs later on. That was a fun interview. To be honest, I don't get to interview a lot of rappers.

And that one was pretty good, all things considered. I mean... Do we get to Ma at the airport? Yeah, Ma was... Ma had a few lines. Nice. And one more time. Shout out to Freddie Gibbs and happy birthday.

You'll hear from him in a bit. Where are you? Where would you put this 12... 12-team college football thing that we're hearing whispers of 12 teams. Good, bad, ugly? Yeah. I'm for the more, the merrier, however, the number 12, I might put in ugly, just because, as I understand it, top four get buys,

and then they begin the tournament at bowl sites, whereas the opening four games would be at home stadiums, which I think is dope. So I would be at eight, and that's your six chance. plus two and playing all those at home stadiums. Let's do home stadiums. All the way through. Well, at least until we get to the-

All the way through till you get to what it is now. So if you get to the semis and finals, but I'm with you, like let's get some home stadiums, at least another round of it. It would be cool. And I'm all four more football, but the problem you know you're gonna run into, I feel like- Student athletes.

Student athletes. So there's finals and that sort of thing, right? Right. But also there's this thing called like the NFL and health And like if you're a good player on one of those teams, like it was, it's becoming a stretch for those players to play one or two extra games. Imagine if you're like a Utah linebacker

who's going in the top 10 and you slide in there because you're one of the top top 10 teams. You don't really have a good shot of winning because you forget about the offense thing at Utah. But like say you're that player, what do you do? Opt out. Yeah, it's a checkpoint. To checkpoint.

Up out. It's an opt out, dude. That's an opt out situation. So you get more teams, that's good. I'm a fan of more because you know you're not going back to the BCS. We're going to stay north of two teams, right? We're not going backwards. I look at it like this.

I was too lazy to look it up, but I've done it before for this podcast. Go back and look at the scores of the college football playoff games since the inception of that tournament, of that tenement. There's like not very many single score games, like period. Like period. I want to say it's like 80% you're going to get two score games. So it's not like it could get worse. And the more volume you have, the better chance of something crazy happening.

If somebody wins on a kick six or something in the round of eight. We can call it the elite eight. The lead eight, nobody's going to, people don't care that it wasn't in the Natty. That is going to get played for years leading up to the college football playoff. Like March Madness isn't predicated on 64 teams being able to win. like we kind of talk about that. But the reality is most of those teams, I don't know, it's going to be pretty hard.

Well, shoot, FCS has figured out how to do 16 teams. How'd Valpo end up that year they hit that shot after the long pass? Yeah, not champs. It doesn't matter. What we want is more madness. We want more volume. We want more opportunities for crazy shit, including that maybe one of these years,

maybe Alabama loses. You know, Alabama or one of the other three good football teams in the nation lose because they have to, to play more games. Shit happens. When that plucky eighth ranked Virginia Cavalier football team goes down to Tuscaloosa and

wait, can we do the thing in a neutral site now? We'll get them in the semis. Yeah, I just think you're going to have to cross the paying players bridge anyways, but if you're going to make them play more games, you might have to pay them again. I, as a viewer, perfect world, I'd be in hog heaven. Whistle pig.

Whistle pig. Woo pig. A lot of segues into my goods. which is something we just watched. The Virginia Cavaliers are into the college world series. I know perhaps 99% of you won't care about, but boy, is that a fun event, that college baseball tournament they got going on there? Damn, I'm sold, dude.

I'm sold, dude. I'm sold. I mean, the Hoos in particular started 4 and 12 in the conference. They've won 24 out of the last 35. And you just get into postseason play and roll the ball. out there and see what happens. They beat Dallas Baptist, thanks to a Grand Slam in the seventh inning by Kyle Teal.

Shout out Mount Wyatt. Yeah, Grand Salami there. Grand Salami dong for our guy, dude. Six and O in elimination games for the Hoos. He hit it out dead center field, bro. This is after the center fielder for the Hoos robbed some kid who was pimping a home run. That was not very Baptist of you to be pimping a home run.

I didn't know people who are deeply religious pimped home runs. Cat on the mound took the L after chirping at our dugout too, which was ill-advised in like the sixth. Big L, ill-advised. Wahu 6-0 in an elimination games, including four straight in the regional round. On to Omaha, which, you know. Somewhere in the middle of America. I don't want to get all masters on you. Getting right to the heart of matters. But a pretty dope event. It's the heart that matters most. The only issue with the College World Series is if you win the thing, you're out there for like two weeks. So that can get a little expensive. But it's an awesome, awesome experience with eight fan bases there.

in Omaha, which is cool. It's very underrated. Yes. It's very underrated and it sneaks up on you this time of year and one day you look up and there's incredibly entertaining college sports on, bang, and Virginia is there. Again, I'll give you a good. I had a great trip down the Rivana River yesterday. Oh, switched it up, huh?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I switched up. You know me as a James River guy. I still am. Rivana doesn't hold a candle to the James River. No offense, Cowboy Reed. That's fun. I agree with you. Oh, you agree.

I mean, yeah. I hope the Rhyvanna River isn't listening to this podcast. But here's the deal, Reed. There was one thing about the float, though. And this is not your fault, dude, because it's my fault for not having planned. Is a Rye Vanna Virgin, never been on the Rhyvana River other than to hang out on the banks? Like, yesterday was the first time in a lot of ways. So I said, hey, Reed, how long is it going to take the gift from, from, where did I ask you, read?

Do you remember? You said Pantops, which isn't a drop-in point. I said you could go from Will and Mills down to Milton. Yep. And I said it would take about an hour and a half. And then you were like in kayaks and I said, yeah. And then you're battling the whole time. I don't know who it was.

Did you hear the Union Mills part? Wollen Mills. Wollen Mills. But you didn't hear us say Union Mills? No, what was William Mills? Well, Union Mills is the next stop. And it's another few miles down the way. And that's where we were going.

Pass Milton? We were going woolen mills to union mills. I think we kayaked probably about 11 miles yesterday in a thunderstorm. And it was awesome. We had a great time, dude. And here's the thing. It sounds like, to be fair, the cowboy gave you the right time for the two spots. And also I walked outside about two minutes after you asked me and saw the dark skies coming in from the west.

And I was like, why this doesn't seem like a good idea? We didn't care. We were impulsive. I just got a Tully truck rack for the first time in my life. Oh, you went to Crofton, Union Mills Crofton. Same place in Fluvana County. Yep, look at that, I was a county over. Okay, yeah.

That's a long way, huh? There's the, Crofton is about 10 miles downriver from Milton. I've done that flow before. And how long is that supposed to take? That takes about five, six hours just from Milton to Crofton. So we had a three hour tour. Something got lost in translation between. reading us and we didn't care at all we had a great time but you know like when you're on the river

that long your lovely wives are wondering where you are luckily the thunderstorm came in so it it goes from i'm mad at my husband because he's out too long in the river drinking beer or whatever he's doing to i'm concerned about my husband he could be struck by lightning so you always want to get that call in to be like hey if i don't make it home i love you and like you know that kind of thing i did that yesterday. But it was like a six-hour trip, but I got this truck rack, and so I can put anything I went up on there. I can put a tent up there. I can put my kayak up here, a single kayak that I just got, I've had this big, me and whaling kayak for a little bit. You know, I kayak in Montana, but I've never had a single. I got one of those cool single kayak. You know,

I'm one of those guys now. What is your life jacket? What brand is your life jacket? That's the most important item on the river. I didn't wear it yesterday. I got some bad news for you. cowboy Reed. We've got an outlaw over here. I did get a life jacket. I just didn't bring it yesterday. But some of those rapids are tough because I got dumped yesterday, Reed. Reed, I got dumped.

I was concerned about my friend. I looked backwards and the biggest no-no is going sideways through the rapids. That is a no-no. That's a big no-no. And I got pinned on a big rock. And the rock was so powerful that I could not dislodge. The water, you know, cascading against this kayak and into

the bowels of this kayak was so powerful, I couldn't get the kayak off the rock. So here I am standing. Remember when you guys were GMs and asking me as a draftee, what would I rather be a rock or a river? Oh, this is good. This is good. Does my answer hold water

now? Oh, pun. No, because no, no, no, no, read. It doesn't. It doesn't, but it's a fucking good, it's a good point. It's a good, no, but it's fair, it's fair try, but water wins to me because water Fair as fuck. Water just erodes continually. And if I'm water, I can be anywhere.

So anyways, I get pinned and the worst part was we passed these tubers that the storm was bearing down on earlier. And I was like, how are you guys doing? And they were like, no complaints. And I was just in a good mood. So I was like, not for 30 minutes. Oh, look at that sky back there. We're kayakers.

You know what I mean? Like, I used to be you, but I got a kayak now. So I'm like a mile down the river and I get pinned. And my literal worst fear wasn't drowning. it wasn't like losing my kayak it wasn't even losing my phone which i had no idea where it went it's inside the kayak somewhere in the water's just rushing in there my phone is protected in a pelican dry case in there but i don't know where it is i haven't seen it my biggest concern was looking like a total fucking poser to those tubers that were catching up to us like any minute they're coming

around the bend and i'm the guy who said uh i got a kayak asshole and now like they're bearing down on So Tom had to dump his kayak, come back against the rapids and pull my kayak. We both had to pull, pull, pull, and we dislodged it. Anyways, the Pelican phone case is the phone case for you, is what I mean to say. Pelican makes great dry boxes. Eventually, as we dislodge the kayak, my phone spit out in the case. Okay? So at least I'm seeing it's in the case.

I've got it, but that thing shoots down the river. So I'm like Michael Phelps trying to like catch this motherfucker. I finally get there. I'm sure it is just full of water. It spent five minutes in the ballises kayak, not a drop of water on my iPhone. All those adorable pictures of my kids, pictures of my lovely wife and me, you know, like important contacts, dates, notes for the green light pod. They were all protected by the Pelican phone case that I purchased a few days ago at Field and Stream. So thank you to Pelican phone cases.

Could I take that with me saying the bathtub? Yeah, you can take it wherever you want. Hot tub. Hot tub, cold tub, sewer, flush it down the toilet. Nothing's happening to your phone, man. Shout out to Pelican. Also, speaking of birds, I saw an osprey, a herring, a hawk, and a bald eagle. You see a lot of birds on that stretch river.

Isn't it funny that the Rivana has more birds than the James? A lot of birds. Yep. I mean, the amazing thing about living in Central Virginia is I'm looking up and I'm seeing a bald eagle. Like with semi-regularity, I mean, he's just hanging out on the Rivana. There's CVS is within five to seven minutes of this fucking bald eagle. We just have so many bald eagles, we don't even put them in like nice stretches of the river. Like we don't even need, you don't even need to drive out of the wilderness to find a bald eagle in Virginia.

We're so lucky, dude. I was like fucking, what's his name? I was like Jack Hanna yesterday. I was like Jack Hanna. I got bit by fire ants walking down to the river. You ever got bit by fire ants? I'm not sure. You would know.

you ever get stung by a yellow jacket fuck yeah yeah no problem no problem compared to a fucking fire air wow also kicker saw a snake swimming right by us in the river

it dove right under water reed you ever see a snake in the ribana river i've seen many snakes in the rivana river you see a lot of them dive under like a fucking submarines well yeah they're water snakes but so okay so here's the deal in virginia let me ask you this question because i don't think we have moccasins up here I don't know if that was a question

You said I don't know if we have moccasins up here Well it's self-evident what I'm saying is I'm claiming that there are none up here And he's saying there's a water snake What's the difference to you a water snake and a moccasin to you Mockison being the poisonous snake that resides in southeast Virginia water snake being one that just swims Yeah exactly Water Mocococin is a type of water snake

That's why we got Cowboy Reed here So I mean there's like a normal Like there's plenty of water snakes that are non-poisonous Okay. And they're just chilling in the water. I saw a water snake down in the Rivan a year ago that was swimming with a fish in its mouth. They caught a fish and it was quite disgusting.

It was like the animal kingdom out there, man. It was incredible. I had a great, great day. So yeah, bald eagles, the whole nine yards. I'll also put this on good. Suns and Four Guy. You guys saw the Sons and Four guy. You guys are alive, breathing, have the Internet.

You've seen the Sons and Four guy. Yep. I don't like fight videos. I mean, I think fighting in public is ugly. I mean, sometimes it happens, but it's ugly. That video was tremendous. The video was tremendous. The guy had it coming.

The Nuggets fan who sucker punched the cat in the sun's jersey. From Higher Ground. From Higher Ground. And that's what everybody's talking about is higher ground is great, this, that, and the third. I want to push back a little bit. I don't think Higher Ground is always great in a stadium. Think about it is you're reaching down to, you know,

like really right-hand. cross like follow through on somebody you have that really uncomfortable stadium seat digging into your shins just below the knee so there's like no leverage you're reaching over you're over you're overextending yourself you've got a stadium seed digging into your knee next thing you know you're getting your nose blown up guys holding you by your chain Jamal Murray's doing Surrenda Cobra his little Paul Wall friend tells him that his nose is broken and that they should probably hit the concourse but I thought that was a big win man I thought that was a

a big win for people fighting at stadiums because it was not Sons and Four Guys' fault and all he did was finish. He had to wear with all to say like a viral line in the midst of beating the shit out of a guy on camera. That's a really hard thing to do. And then the Sons go ahead and win four.

Nostradamus. Cherry on top. Kyler Murray, that's good. Talking about the Cowboys. Kudos to him, man. Kudos to him. I'm glad somebody's wanting to come out and say it. I'm glad we've reached the point where people can say it out loud and you know I said this to you before we we talked about this but uh he's standing on the

shoulders of giants i mean Julio Jones your guy Julio Jones a couple weeks ago opened the floodgates said I don't want to play in Dallas everybody knows it's true that they're not like a good organization right now but nobody comes out and says it on a player end of things and Kyler Murray said they sucked this weekend and I just think it's great and it's also a reminder that nobody born in the 90s really cares about the Cowboys. That power that holds over me born in 1985, you know, 40-year-old dudes, they grew up seeing that group. Kyla Murray, a whole generation of kids, this is a reminder that they, like, cowboys hold no

real clout starting now when it comes to adult athletes in the NFL. And on why he was not a Cowboys fan, he said, quote, they were always ass, end quote, which I think should be noted. They were always asked, so that's pretty consistent with the fact that, like, his entire adult life, how old is Kyle Murray?

Probably 23. He was probably born in the late 90s. Literally, what was the name of that? Like, when he was born, the quarterback of the Cowboys was that Quincy guy from Georgia. Quincy Carter? Quincy Carter. Probably when,

when Kyle Murray was in diapers, it was Quincy Carter. And when he was growing up, he literally grew up in the Tony Romo era. Okay, so like, nothing about that era, says that every kid's gonna grow up rooting for the Cowboys. I mean, it's just so interesting we've gotten to that point.

And I think he should be commended for saying that out loud. I hope we hear more guys being honest about how they feel about the Cowboys. Like I was born in 1985. I didn't care about the Pistons. I was too young when they were dominant, you know? Like nobody born in my era is automatically a Pistons fan unless you're from Detroit. There's just certain teams that, you know, generationally, you just missed the boat and,

Tyler Murray's the first of many, hopefully. You got any bad? I got a bad for you. Moonshine Minshue, hair gone. Oh no. Did you see that? Uh-uh. Yeah, Minchew cut his hair, dude.

Samson's situation. I'm like, is he going to play for the Yankees? Like, what's going on here? Like, why would Moonshine Minchew cut his hair? Like, honestly. What are we doing, dude? He looks totally regular now. He had a waterfall not long ago.

He had Angel Falls, the highest waterfall in the world, Venezuela. He was swaggy. I don't know why he cut his hair. That's the bad for me. Oh, he kind of looks like, uh, hmm. Yeah, bad country singer now. He was his own guy. Yeah, he went from, uh, Billy Ray Cyrus, circa 1987 to like, uh, Jason Aldeen.

Jason Haldine. And he's exactly who I was. I was thinking about too. Now the ugly, by now everybody has heard. Hopefully that's all you've, you've heard about the Christian Erickson thing, Danish soccer player, Euro league, you know, Euro championships going on right now. I forget who they were playing, but it was like Saturday. I just remember turning on my phone and seeing a trend and then there was like nothing on it, which is pretty like jarring when you're like, did you see that injury? And it's not an injury per se because he dropped, like just he fell.

I saw it. He fell on the ground, like suddenly. And from that point, I just have no interest in seeing what's going on after that. I mean, he's probably at the best medical care you could possibly have. There's no need for me to watch along. There's no need for us to watch along. And I thought the most interesting thing about that horrible, and by the way, Christian Erickson is okay now.

The interesting thing about that whole thing is that Twitter did a better job. of policing, you know, the timeline, then the people working at the networks that are showing for minutes, evidently, him getting his chest pumped, zooming in on his wife who's on the field, like, this guy could be dead. I mean, that's the thing, like nobody knows what's going on. And if you know what's going on, it's not like you have any information that would, that you could glean that it would be okay to show this, that there was going to be some positive outcome. nobody knew what was going to happen and you know like if you're in a tv truck and you're like no zoom in camera before i want to see somebody administering CPR i just don't understand what you have

to gain there i don't understand how like you're going to come out of the weekend and and assume that people are going to be like i'm really glad they got that shot i mean twitter did a better job right and i think that's what's a little bit alarming about that whole thing is that usually the place that you just can't trust that anybody has any human decency actually comes through in the clutch and doesn't disseminate the video readily. But the people to get paid to do this, put it on the big screen. Ugly scene. I can't stand that. When I played, there were guys that, you know, with regularity and football would go down and you'd wonder, is this going to be the guy that I play with that doesn't regain movement in his lower body or that sort of thing? Like, there are cervical

spinal injuries all the time that pop up in the NFL. There are guys getting their neck stabilized. They're getting rolled over on that back brace. That's a terrible sign.

You know, getting stabilized when they zoom in on the guy's face to see if he's okay. I always have mixed feelings about that, about like being able to show that type of thing. I know everybody at home is waiting with bated breath to see if guys are okay.

But when it comes to CPR, when it comes to like, we don't know what happened to this guy. He might just had a stroke. He might have had a heart attack. like he could die on the field out there. I just don't see the reason. Can I ask you about a similar but less serious situation?

Sure. Where are you on fans running onto the field? Should that be shown? Oh yeah, it should be shown. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there are instances. It does incentivize fans to run into the field, but.

I guess there have instances like Monica Sellas where it goes very poorly. No, you're right about that. You're right about that. I don't remember that one. Well, a little bit different in that she was stabbed and not by like a streaker, but somebody jumped in from the stands. She was stabbed. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. And we were we boys. And did they show that? I don't know if you hear her, you hear her shrieking. It's at a changeover. So I don't know if a telecast was at commercial break or not. You're right, though.

There is a sinister side of somebody's on the field. It's so funny that like we in society, like the minute somebody acts erratically in public, you're like, oh fuck, what's that person gonna do? But whenever it's somebody running on a sports field, like we're all like, oh, look at that guy. Right. Surely he's not gonna do anything fucked up,

but I just did it. Like that guy ran on the field butt naked in the rain at a baseball game the other day and like hit in the tarp tunnel. Yeah. Which I thought was hilarious. Brilliant. But if we're being honest,

we don't usually apply those sensibilities to other situations where somebody he's acting like super erratically in public. And it's funny. We as fans and consumers are like, you know, for a litany of reasons, we want to see how long the person can run around.

We want to see if the person gets decked by a player. I always said that I would have decked the streaker. Well, because you're, it's like the one chance, dude. No repercussions. It's your one chance. But yeah,

you're right. You make a very good point. Maybe they shouldn't show that or maybe games should be on delays, but we don't want that. Golly, dude, it just was too much. It was too much. It was ugly.

Here's Freddy. Hello. Yeah, dude. What's up? I'm with my mama, dog. Hi, how are you? Nice to meet you. I'm Chris.

I just picked up for the airport. Can I cuss with your mom in the car, Fred? My mom is the best cusser. She told me how to cuss. No, he got that from his grandmother. No, no, my grandma and my mama. My whole family, we're the best cusslers on the block. That's what we do.

We're the best cussers in our very suburban neighborhood, me and my family. Yes. Which is, I mean, it's like winning the NIT, but, you know. Listen, I would, you're, y'all are too big to be cussed. Let somebody cuss. You got to be cussing anybody out. If the long family was cussing me out, I'm getting away. Hey, when you got a dad with a flat top that looks like that,

getting grounded. And, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're, when you're on your way home from, like, a baseball trip that you got kicked off of and dad's waiting at home, it's a little bit different. when he's got a flat top. That's like going, your daddy, that's like going home

to Terminator 2. Every day. I just got it. Hey, we're talking about sports. I got Freddie Gibbs here. Dude, I've been waiting to get you on the pod for a long time.

One of my favorites, and this is real cool, dude. How you doing? Man, this is amazing. I'm stoked. I'm thugged damn Starstruck right now. Shut up, dude. No chance.

I've known your music for a while, and in fact, sidebar conversation. I met you at Gov Ball one year. When you were at Gov Ball, I don't know what year, what year did you go to Gov Ball? That had to be like 2012.

12, yes, because I was still just a drunk, you know, train wreck, you know, my mid-20th. And then I saw you at Boneru one time, which was a great, it was a great show. That was maybe like 2016 or something. But I didn't know you were an athlete. I did not know you played ball. Oh, man, I played, you know, really,

I should have been in the NBA as a basketball all-star, but I gave that up. It gave that to my little cousin. I let him have had that basketball dream. And I went, and then I went to play football at Ball State, but you know what I mean? I ain't go to class,

so that really started my growth as a football athlete. But I played a wide receiver there at Ball State, and then it was like 12 ride receivers on the depth chart, and I wasn't one of the fastest ones, so then they moved me over to, like, safety. So I thrived at safety. You can go and safe. When I played safety, I was in the spring game, and I dressed, and I started traveling with the team, and then I came in and my report car had all EFs, and then I was the end of my football career.

Hey, dude, that'll do it. I was on academic probation before this year, you didn't even start it. I'm not a dumb nigga. It's just, you got to apply yourself, and I didn't apply myself. The only thing I ever applied myself was rap, and I guess that's why. Your subject matter is, like, smarter than a lot of people I listen to. or don't listen to. And so, like, it's evident, like, you're well educated, but school is fucked.

I mean, the way we expect athletes and, like, people with ADHD, like myself and people that just can't sit still to learn in a classroom, it's not conducive to people that are, like, outside learners, learning inside, if you know what I mean? Yeah, man, I'm scared to send my kids in school, man, especially since I got to pay this high-ass tuition for my daughter, man. I'm tired of that shit. I'm about the homeschool these kids. I'm about, you know what?

I'm not going to be in for tuition. I'm about to just send my goddamn self to school. And I'm a little motherfuckers. I don't need to pay the tuition. I'm about to put myself. I'm about to make myself a teacher. And I'm a teacher little motherfuckers at home. I ain't had time to be paying nobody.

I'm tired of that. Well, I need for myself, fucking kids. This is my life. Well, the thing about it is I looked at my five-year-old's tuition as well, and I was kind of shook up. I was like, they're just learning colors and shapes and that sort of thing. I could teach them that. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, I could teach all that kinocals. I know one plus one and my daughter come home and that safety. I'd be like, she'd be challenging me with some shit, but they're doing chemistry and shit like that in her school, man. She's in a private school, man. So I don't know, maybe by first grade, I might not even know the shit that she's doing, man. My daddy couldn't do my homework.

My dad couldn't do my homework either, man. Hey, Freddie, so after you play ball at Ball State, what happened? Did you go to the Army? Did I read that? Yeah, yeah. I, uh, damn. my family like other one

I was getting some trouble, man And then, you know, it's this thing that they had called pretrial diversion Yeah When I went, I knew it was something crazy When I went to my court case

It was an army nigga in the court What you do? The hell you? Why are you there, nigga? Ain't nobody try to be out of it. And then he was like, I can get you out of this, man. And I said, look, I ain't snitching, man.

He said, look, man, You don't got snitch. I should have sued the U.S. government. because you know that thing that they put you in the army they tell you two is called meps or whatever where they medically check you out and check you mental all that shit when i was at when i was going to meps i got in a car accident with the recruiter he was driving and ever we got fucked up and i i was just so to ask them so bad i was just

happy that god let me be alive and coherent that i i was like you know i could do some bullshit right now and say i'm hurt but i think god don't but god don't like ugly my mom's me God don't like others and that would have came back to bite me in the ass and I wouldn't be rich and famous the way I am right now so thank you God. Yeah it was a close call and another thing is like that's a close call I would have got fucked up I would have fucked him up I've watched first 48 before and they never had like the option I bet some people are like where the fuck is the army recruiter option that I can go to like serve the country for a couple years yeah man that you know you could do that for real you just got to ask I didn't know they just got to ask dude yeah you

that is where I just happened to be in the courtroom that day when he was there. I was like, what can you do for me, man? Because I can't afford my mom. I can't afford this lawyer, man. My mom ain't put nan, nigga, on retainer. So it's going to be you or a public defender, Nick. I'm playing with a public pretender. No, I like you. I like my odds with the recruiter, man.

And then you get kicked out of the Army. Listen, I'm not going to, I'm not assuming you didn't want to be there, Freddie, but I'm assuming you weren't excited about being there. And so. what? The Army was like jail. Because you know when you in boot camp, you got red phase, white phase, and blue phase.

It's a real patriotic shit. So red, so red phase is red hot. That's the first what, three weeks and they on your ass. They like, call you everything like, they like the army couldn't, I don't know.

I don't know what they're doing in the army and this social media cancel error. Because when I was there, It's calling you everything. N-h-h-h-h- for everything you wanted. You know what I'm saying? Like, you couldn't even be gay and be there. Right. So it's like the art.

I'm like, damn, so how do they do the army now? Because when I was there, it was very, very, bootcab was harsh. Well, my mama can't pick me up for bootcab. I cried like a bitch. I said, damn. I said, I'm happy to get me out to graduate me. Please, my mom made it. True facts.

Ain't a mama tell the facts. Yeah, you were supposed to go to reserve. You didn't even do that shit, did you? No. Hey, dude. Hey, and here's the kicker though, dude. If I read it correctly, if I don't want to be somewhere, if you tell me all I have to do to get the fuck out of there is light up and get stoned,

like, I'm out. Is that really as easy as it was? You know what? They kicked me out because I grew a beard and I was smoking weed. Sign me up. That's what I said. I said, well, this is because it's going down because I wore the beard. And I want to get high.

You can't stop my life. Hey, bro, you found, like, two of the best trap doors in life of all time. Like, the first 48 option that I didn't know existed. And then you could just, like, roll up a blunt and then just get disheartedly discharged. Disaritable. But, you know, it messed me up, man, because I went to go work at the post office after that. Oh, that first. Was that the worst?

Okay. You've had different jobs. What was the worst job you've ever had? Oh, I didn't get that job. They didn't let me hear. They said, oh, you've been disaritable discharge. The worst job I ever had, though? Hmm.

Menars. Nah, best buy. But I was stealing stuff from the audio department. I did a best job. See, Siri even though. Siri's like, oh, it's the feds. Yeah, exactly. You can't say shit around computers and they're everywhere.

They say nothing around Siri. You're an actor now, too. That's crazy. Man, I got some big roles coming up, man. I got the movie role coming. I'm on a role on a big show, but I'm going to let them announce it because I'm the new villain on a big show

that everybody liked, and it's going to be crazy. I'm definitely a new villain. I'm a villain. You know what I mean? I've been telling my agent I want to play bad guys, you know what I'm saying, in these movies,

and that's what I'm here to do. I'm about to do a show. I'm on a show that Zach Fox produced. I'm about to be doing a lot of stuff in Hollywood, man. I'm about to go meet me. Me and Brad Pitt supposed to go kick it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he got all the bitches.

And, you know, I'm like the black person. Yeah. I believe you, too, which is, that just shows. This is how famous you're getting, dude. I believe you. I know. I said, Brad Pitt want to kick with me. That's true.

That's facts. He do. He wanted to kick it. He probably likes your music, man. Is there anybody you've ever met that you were surprised listened to your music? That you were like Star, Drake, really? Yeah.

I was like, you can listen to my music. That's crazy. All right. Cool. Do you listen to Drake's music? Hell yeah, do I like that? Do you like that? You got to listen to Drake. I mean, I feel like the older I get, the less I'm in fucking a nightclub,

the less I listen to Drake personally, but that's just me. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I listen to some of it. You know, it's like when he dropped, you got to check it out. You know what I'm saying? Yes, absolutely. He's like one of those guys. You know, he definitely one of those guys that when you drop, you got to stop and check it out. You know what I'm saying?

Best rapper actor. The best rapper slash actor. would have to be ice cute. I agree with you. Do three kings, man. George Clooney and fucking Mark Wahlberg. He's the best combination. He's a Hall of Fame rapper and a great actor.

He developed great concepts. He made Friday. You know what I'm saying? Like if this is anybody that you want to model it after, it's cute for sure. You know what I mean? That's definitely the footsteps that I'm trying to go into. Because this rap money ain't shit.

Fuck this rap money. I don't want to do it. I don't do it. I think he did movies. He didn't, he don't give me rap when he wants. You know what I'm saying? I heard you talk about this on bandana, how the pie gets divided up. Oh, yeah, man.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, for artists like me, you know what I mean? I came with, you know, just an independent mentality. You know what I mean? And I've been, you know, keeping that same thing. Even with, you know, me being signed a Warner, you know what I mean? But, you know, my deal is like different. Right.

Than a lot of, you know, other people. Because, you know, I got a real, you know, do it yourself, mentality. So I got to keep that, you know. One of the things I heard you say is you're proud of being versatile and that, you know, like, does that include like playing well with others too? Because I like some of the combinations I would never expect to see somebody with you and vice versa. And then you'll just surprise people and it'll fucking work. Yeah, man. Like, I just like working with different people. You know what I'm saying? I like kind of like stepping outside the box and not doing the

usual rap shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, say for instance, I just did a fucking comedy show last week. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one of the main reasons I did that is because I never saw a rapper do that. So I was like, yo, if I can pull this off, I could, you know, I could possibly make history. You know what I'm saying?

So I just want to just do other shit that everybody else ain't doing. I feel like everybody wears the same thing. Everybody drive the same car. Everybody got the same girl. That's why I keep my girl swapped out in different countries. You know what I'm saying? I hear the laughter. I went to a party last night, you know, the Migos.

It was the same host, you know what I mean? That, you know, was that another party? You know, that Tupac's on range true, you know what I'm saying? Every other city we go. I see the same. So it's like I'd be trying to get different flavors of holes from different countries and stuff like that. And I fly me in and different stuff. I don't like doing the same thing.

Everybody else do that. Well, you like novelty, which is fair. I mean, I like variety. I was hoping to ask you. Well, yeah, good for you. I was hoping to ask you. So was the Greek freak's friend also Greek? Oh, yeah.

Dude, I wonder, as I'm bouncing around here, but like my brain's like a pinball, but like pinball machine. You got to smoke a week. That's all you do. This is what I'm doing, dude. I fucking, hey, I need a little upper and then some daughter. I need some coffee. How much do you smoke?

Do you smoke? Like, can you work and smoke? I can do everything in smoke. I smoke. I smoked before I worked out, before church, all that shit. Or church, I would definitely help you keep focus on what's good. Remember they'll be talking about shit? I'll be in their hat.

And you can remember all your lines. You can remember all your lines. You never blank out on stage if you're too stone. No, I never, never. That helped me get better. Like, when I do this act, you know, I actually have a little drink before I do acting. They give me a little, you know what I'm saying? I got to have a blood.

It's a routine, man. you know what I'm saying it's you know it's medication that's how I look at dude I totally hear you I definitely and my producers would like me to probably smoke less when I'm making a podcast because then you know like some things happen and they have to cut certain things and I'm all over the place but it does help me sometimes to just kind of lock me in a little bit does almost the opposite of what people would think it's supposed to do yeah that's what I feel I locked me in and if I forgot some shit I didn't need that in my life I didn't start using that yeah I didn't need it yeah

It wasn't meant for me to remember. But I definitely, if I go public speaking, I definitely do more than just a sip of whiskey. I do like probably a whole big, tall glass of it. I talked to them. It's kind of fucked up, but I talked at a megachurch once. And it's not because I'm disrespecting the church.

I was soliciting funds for my foundation. Up to the megachurch? Like Joel Austin? Bro, listen, I had to do it because I was trying to, I was trying to raise money for our clean water initiative. I got a foundation and all that shit. but I'm back in the back and I'm sneaking liquor. I'm sneaking shots of liquor.

And I felt kind of wrong. That was the only time I ever felt wrong. I'm like, I feel like if it's a mega church, I'm allowed to get away with it. If it was like a regular church that like, you know, 40 people were sitting in,

I wouldn't have done it. But the megachurch, they already showed us that whatever, you know, whatever happens happens in a megachurch. Yeah, man. I mean, like, if you're in a mega church,

I think you should be able to smoke weed in a megachurch. Honestly. It's a fucking mega church. Like, it should be a room where you just smoke weed. Like, you know, like, I went in the airport, and they got them rooms where they got, like, the smokers room now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, the airport smoking room? The airport smoking room. I just talked about this on the podcast last week, Fred. They got to let you smoke in there. Bro, how fucked up is that when you're, like, like, you're walking through O'Hare, and then there's a hot box room full of people that just couldn't wait. They could not fucking wait, dude.

And the crazy part. about that is that so fucking toxic. These motherfuckers in there smoking cigarettes. Yes, dude. Standing next to a Joe Camel statue, like there's something wrong, man. How can you sit? You know what?

I'm so glad that they ban cigarettes indoors because I can't sit indoors next to a cigarette smoker. I'd be like, yo, like when I be in Europe and then they're at the bar and everybody got a cigarette, I'm like, I need a gas mask. I can not inhale secondhand smoke is

like rat poison and fuck up your nice clothes yeah that too man I'm like bitch why do you smoke I don't fucking bitch that smokes cigarettes baby you got to get away for me baby smoking cigarettes I don't want to like I'm sure like some people like some suburban mothers listen to this are too stressed out and they're ripping heaters on the back porch so I'm not passing judgment if you need your fix I mean I'd assume Freddie's definitely not passing judgment on that type of thing yeah I am this bullshit so yeah

I'm judging you, bitch. Don't wear, don't smoke that. All right, so producers, like, I think one of the most interesting things about you that separates you to me, because I'm not going to lie. Like, you know, somebody who's got amazing lyrical content, which you do, but somebody just makes it a point to be like, hey, listen, my lyrics are so boiled down. You need to be listening. Don't worry about the production. Like, I can't listen to that. You know what I mean?

Like, I love music. I love riding in the car listening to music. I love, like, different vibes. I love versatile music that I could smoke to, work out. to the whole nine yards. Like Alfredo, I could do all four or five things. Listen to Alfredo.

What's cool about you is you're really selective about who you work with. I feel like from a production standpoint, and you also share the wealth like when it comes to the credit. How did you get like that? I feel like the, like you said, man, the fucking like beats and shit is like,

it's imperative to what you do. So it's like I feel like I kind of got to be a snob when it come to like picking beats. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got to, like, you know, it got to be, you know, a combination of popular, but a little bit obscure as well, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, like, Alchemist and Madlib. I just felt like that was cool shit that nobody else was doing, you know what I'm saying? Like, especially Madlib, you know what I'm saying?

Alchemist, you know what I mean? He got a little more mainstream shit than Mad Lib. But both of those, you know, those two of my favorite producers. So it was just, you know, I really need it Then to keep me sharp Yeah As a rapper, you know what I mean And that's what working with guys like that do

You know what I mean? Like it just keep you sharp So now when I go in with Like last night I was with Metro booming You know what I mean? When I go in with guys like that You know what I mean? When I go in with Boy Wonders, you know, guys like that

I'm sharp and I'm ready to go You know what I'm saying? It's like like Mad Lib and Alchemist You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I mean, you get to work with, like, I love the way you choose your features. I feel like you're like totally blown up now. But when you came out with Pignada, like I don't think you were as mainstream.

And you had Rayquan on Penaata. And I'm like, so the respect was the like the industry respect from the people that you most want to be respected by is there before the success commercially. Because you don't seem to ever chase the commercial success. You just, you do your craft. And then whatever happens happens. Right. That's when I be hearing people like, yeah, I'm a fan of your music. I'd be like, what, for real?

You know, because I just look at, like, guys that got, like, so much commercial success. It's like, I'm a fan of that. I don't even, like, look at, like, us in the same world. I don't know if that makes any sense. Like, when Drake was like, yo, I'm a fan of your music. I'm like, oh, cool. Like, I don't even, you know what I mean? But I feel like you're humble, dude.

Like, you're honestly humble. You got enough, like, confidence, you know, because you couldn't do what you do. You couldn't have been through in your life what you've been through. I can tell, just as an athlete, I feel like I look at people as competitors and how they talk about other people, you know, like the tone with which they, like, analyze other musicians or like, I've always seen you in interviews, give people their respect. And then when you, you're not out to tear people down, but you're honest about it. You give your takes. You know what I mean? Like, you're respectful about things, and that's like a level of humility that, you know, I just notice you have.

Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely humble. I still think I'm the best rapper, though. You can still be humble and think you're the best. I still think I'm the best. I feel like I revolutionize something like because, you know, it's never been a rapper from where I'm from. It's never been a rapper from Gary. So, you know, like what, like I didn't have an example

to really draw from coming up. So I had to create it. You know what I mean? You know, like I said, I feel like I revolutionized the position that I'm in. Sort of like Ed Reed, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. You know, if I was a football player, I'd be Ed Reed. Well, you just answered a question I had written down to ask you later.

Ed Reed's a fucking dog and the coolest dude in the world off the field too, man. I mean, he was amazing. He just one of my favorite people, period. I just love the way he played the game, man, and just love everything about Air Reid. But also, like, the same way. I guarantee you he thinks he's the best safety of all time, but he's a humble dude. Like, he respects the game. He respects, you know, like the way people play the game.

And he was cool. I've only met him like twice, but I thought he was super cool. You started out Alfredo with 1985, and that's probably my favorite song on the album. And I'm wondering, like, what goes into you guys are talking, you and Alchemist, and you're like, we got to start this off on this foot. Or does it just lay out naturally? Honestly, we was just watching the last dance. Yeah, we was like, yo, I want to, we was like, bro, what the fuck?

Like, this shit is amazing. You know what I'm saying? And like, when he played the beat and it hit the guitar and it was just, just like, yo, I can't think of nothing but like the Chicago Bulls. So it was like that song, it came together like that and, you know, and us sitting in the studio watching that shit, it really inspired this album. So it really, you know, now we got to find some other shit to watch. Scotty Beam, you had Rick Ross on there and I feel like that was like the perfect

placement for him. And I don't know how that works. Do you like reach out to him when you hear the beat from out? Or are you like, hey, you know, this would be the perfect guy. this would be my 1A to get on this track. Yeah, Scottie Beam sounded kind of like luxurious to me. So I was just like, yo, I got to get the most luxurious rapper on it. You know, and Rick Ross, you know, that real shit.

And blend it with that rich shit, that rich shit. And, you know, before I made Scottie Beam, I think I was like listening to like Saterini Greece, this song, he that. I fucking love that song, dude. I was just like, yo, man, this dude is one of the best rappers. I got to like to rap alongside. of him, you know what I mean, to get my skill level up. I'm thinking about people that pick, like, really good beats to rap on and, like,

pick good production. You're up there, and Rick is up there. Rick Ross, to me. That's how I feel. I feel like, you definitely pick some of the best beats. I'll be like, yo, I'm going to send you this song we just did. Really? Really? Crazy. Dude, that's great. I'm so glad you guys, like, work well together and get along because, like, y'all need to be doing music together, bro.

Yeah, man. like Ross, one of those guys. Ross, Puscher, like those guys that I, like, do a whole project with, you know what I'm saying? So, you know,

hopefully one day that'll happen. But, you know, those guys I looked up to the most, you know, and the rap, rap shit, really. Push makes me think about Palmolv and I'm like,

I always wonder because, as a fan, when I first hear that song, I, like, lean in and I'm like, holy shit. Like, when I first hear that sample and, like,

just the whole vibe of that thing, It's like you're entering another world, dude. And I wonder if you, the first time you hear Madlib, like, bring you that, do you recognize in that moment that like, holy shit, this is going to be a fucking bloodbath here? Yeah, I be knowing, like, from the beats. That's why I'd be like, yo, okay, yeah, this is the one, you know, I look at every beat. I don't know, it's kind of like a movie score.

And I just got to just do the acting, you know? That's how I look at it. And that, you know, the track was just like, it was screaming at me. So I just had to just like, you know, do what I had to do. And I was like, let me get somebody on here that's going really cut into this shit. And it was Puscher, you know what I'm saying? And we just did, me and him just did a new record too. That's crazy.

I love collaborating with guys that I respect. You know what I'm saying? Pusia always comes through. Ross always comes through. You know, sometimes it be like shit where like I'm not one of those guys. it's just going to take a verse from any rapper. Right. It kind of got to be A1.

Right, dude. Yeah. I trust those guys and they always come A1. So I don't, you know what I mean? I don't work with rappers before. And people didn't get me verses on songs. And I just, like, took it off. How awkward is that?

Like, do they learn when, do they find out when the album drops? Yeah, it's awkward. You got to see a person and shit like that. But, you know, it is what it is. While I'm working on my album, you know, I don't really got to answer to nobody to answer no questions. As long as I didn't steal nothing from the artist

or I did like fuck over them financially, then I'm good. But, you know, if it's something that we do that I don't use, I don't, you shouldn't feel bad about that. You know, I used to take that to heart when I was earlier in my career, especially when I was around Jeezie.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you would be crazy to know the amount of songs I was on that I got taken off and songs that I rolled. you know what I mean and got taken off and wasn't included in so you know that's just you know

that's just how the industry goes you know what I mean like we make a lot of music you know I mean and we put a lot of music out but it's the majority of it we don't well I mean this podcast right here we spent we do like you know I saw you went on Rogan we we go like a long time and so

there's a lot that ends up on the cutting floor and you also learn that like in our industry too now that I'm a podcaster and I've gone on a people's shows and shit like that I start to notice that like damn that conversation didn't make it and there's nothing personal it just means that either there wasn't enough time or like maybe as a creator you're just being extra like particular which you got every right to be particular is art in your names on it is your shit exactly so but plus push probably I feel like push like fuck dude he went toe to toe with like Kendrick on nostalgia he went toe to toe with j on drug dealers

anonymous. He like every time he's working with somebody else who's his equal, you know, like the way I would think of you guys as peers, he's got to raise your level too. I mean, it's just got to be like, damn, I absolutely need my A game here. Yeah, he wanted the best. Guys like that

want to rap with rappers that makes you want rap better, you know what I mean? Not the other way around, you know? What was the deal with the guy's voice on bandana off the top of the album and at the end, the guy calling people bitches and shit with the accent? Oh, bricado.

Oh, man. Mad live, bro. All mad libed, bad libs, putting concepts in there, you know, shit like that, man. That's what makes it a mad lib album, those interludes and those, the way he interlinks the album together. Him and, him and out for some of the best of that. I also think it's pretty cool that you do a lot of, like, and for people that grew up listening to 90s music, I bet, like, you were listening to music and you understood all the references. I was learning as I was listening as a suburban white kid, but, but, like, and for people that. like we grew up listening to the same music i'm sure i had like a fucking cork board of dmx posters and

you know like i had all the mixtapes and college and shit and i just i just feel like it's rap's changing where it's not like verse hook verse anymore like we're well past that and i love that you guys do such unstructured stuff and you'll be guessing and the beatles switch up like kendrick does a lot of cool shit like or did got to hope he makes an album again soon I think he will I think that he's just like If I was him I would I would make y'all wait too

I mean It's one of the greatest of all time You know what I mean So it's just like you know When you get to the point in this game man When you don't got nothing to prove Like Like you know

Yeah Guy like Kendrick can't got nothing To prove man And it's just like And look where rap is at man It's so fucking Goofy as shit right now You know what I mean

Like it's not It's not a great It's not a great time to be a rapper. Well, maybe it is money-wise and opportunities, but like the music, not so much. I think that everything's become like disposable. And the more music has become disposable, the less effort has been put into it. You know what I mean?

So I think we're in a disposable music era, the streaming era, and, you know, ain't nothing really getting slow cooked or fine-tuned anymore. You know, some of it is, you know, a good amount of it is, but a good amount of it isn't. One thing about the references on Bandana about, like, you made a couple references to, you know, back in the day when you kind of got hooked on lean. And I wonder if you, like, it's crazy to me to think about all the, presumably all the Coke and all the crack you sold and you never got hooked on anything. You never, like, got sucked down that wormhole.

and it was cough syrup. You know what I mean? Like is that... Yeah. Was there ever a moment where you were like, this shit, dude? You know what it was,

man? It was a culture thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it ain't... The culture of, you know,

drug dealing, you know, and being in the streets, it wasn't cool to smoke crack. Like, we, you know, luckily I saw

what crack did to people. So I'm like, yeah, I don't want to be a crack kid or I don't want to be a coke kid or, you know what I mean? I don't think I can handle

those kind of drugs. you know what I'm saying but then when you see like one of your homie of yours that's rich and affluent and he drinking this fucking cough syrup and you know you look at it like oh shit it can't be that bad this guy drinking this

you know what I'm saying and he's still functioning and all that shit but you know drugs affect everybody everyone's body different man so it's like you know I wonder how long because you've been added a while and now you're at your peak I mean and I thought you or Jay Electronica should have won the Grammy like that's not taking anything away from

gnaz or anything like that dude right definitely should have worn the grammy i'm still selling goddam fredo bed spreads like what the fuck alfredo was the best rap album last year if you say anything different than whatever i got a t-shirt dude i got a t-shirt it's supposed to be here soon so you're gonna be 40 soon back in the day i don't feel like it was as easy for rappers to like age gracefully with their lyrical content and with like the maturity that you so who does that the best Is it just Jay or is there somebody else that that off the top of your head has done that really gracefully into their 40s and 50s even?

Shit, Jay, push, fucking Rawls, man, shit, all the guys that I fuck with pretty much. You know what I mean? I feel like they, I just think that the culture or rap stops people from age and gracefully.

You know what I'm saying? We like, quick to, like, throw our superstars away when they turn 30 or something. some shit like that. It's like, yo, like, what the fuck? Like rap. Rap is a sport, but it doesn't have to be a 19 year old sport.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, I look at country singers. I mean, shit, like Travis Tritt, the motherfuckers is like 60 and it's still selling off statements. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, how come as a rapper, I can't rap when I get older? I got to I got to just rap

when I'm 20. Yeah. So, and then I and I feel like Jay Z. blaze the trail for that you know what i mean like being as being the quintessential like you know o g and and just showing you the real longevity and the long play you know i mean like the the long play of this shit is you know to keep you young and keep you fresh is to get you a bionthe right how close you to how close to you to making that play oh man uh you know it's only one bionc so you know but i you know

i will take all imitators you know what i'm saying you know i'm Okay, so Freddie's looking for Beyonce imitators. They might have some on Cameo, honestly, Freddie. There's a lot of fucking imitators on Cameo. You might just be able to just get straight to the source. Somebody asked me to get on Cameo. I said, I want $2,000 for every birthday shout out. The charges are too low.

Okay, so what's next for you? I hear about SSS. Triple S, my new album. I'm almost done with that. That's going to be great. I'm just working on music, man. Alchemist was at my house yesterday. you know, oldest, we always get in whenever you want to get in.

I'm just working, man. Like, I don't really have a deadline or anything of that nature, you know, when I'm kind of ready and I'm going to take it there. But I'm probably working on like four different albums at once, man. It'd be like that sometime, you know. Dude, let's fucking go. Awesome, dude. I can't wait.

Freddie Gibbs, man. Appreciate the time. Love the music. Come back and talk sports, whatever you want to bullshit all. on we'll do it again hopefully yes sir thank you man i appreciate you man yeah take it good man no hey likewise bro how about freddie gives huh dynamite as advertised by you dynamite it was a joy to listen to what was your favorite part of that interview probably third part about you know his uh his inspiration his why what resonated with me yeah you what was your favorite

You guys have similar upbringing? No, I didn't say that, but we have similar wise, you know? Yeah, I hear that. Yeah. Did you have a favorite part? Honestly, my favorite part? Well, when he kind of let us in a little secret about some songs, he was releasing, I thought that was cool.

Or maybe is that a secret or not, Taylor? Were we the first ones that you read about that anywhere else? No, that was a secret. That's not on the internet. That's exclusive. That's an exclusive joint. I would also say with Freddie, just the fact that a guy can, like a guy that wraps like him, He's acting.

He did comedy the other day. He did like some stand-up. I didn't even dig in on that. I love the fact that he thinks that he should be in the NBA. He's just, he's a funny dude. He's funny. He's smart. I thought it was a great interview.

And if you listen to his music, he might kind of intimidate you. But he seems like a chill dude. Happy birthday, Freddie. Yeah, happy birthday, Freddie. Happy birthday, Juan Casar. Happy birthday, Dave Kane. Happy birthday, Dave Kane. A couple of Cainiacs in here.

He's got a great voice, doesn't he? Dulcet tones. Can you do his voice? No, actually, I can't. He can do a great John Thompson too. Oh, he does do a late grade John Thompson. Coach John Thompson. Big shout out to Dave Cain.

Hey, it's Flag Day. It was. Sure was. You got a favorite flag or two. Let's kick it to Cowboy Reed first. I test Cowboy Reed was finding a couple he liked. There's so many flags. So many beautiful flags.

So many elite flags. There's so many. It's hard to get it down to five. We tried to get to five. I started at 22 solid flags. Spoiler alert and no offense to the country where we live. Flag didn't make it. Nah, not for me either.

Nor me. Jeez, Reed. What do you think, Reed? What are the best flags out there? My five, I've got the Bahamas. the Barbados, Kiribati, which looks like Kiribati,

but Kirobadi was on my also receiving votes. Yes. You know what that's, guys, yes, Kiribati,

beautiful flag in a lot of ways probably could go for a little bit of a better color scheme. If they pulled that off with some different colors, like the red skies

throwing me off a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Like it's so elite. I agree with you. you, I just feel like they could do better with the flag. Hello, Kiribati.

My main selling point was the frigate bird. Golden frigate bird. Frigget bird? Yep. Loose translation. Fuck it. Uruguay. So my thing about the Uruguay flag is that the,

because it's on my big board too, but it's that that sun is kind of low-key cheeks. Strong disagree. That is a happy-looking sun. Okay, I think it's like moderately cheeks rendition of a sun. But a beautiful flag nonetheless. I only have one crossover with the cow, well, none in the top five. My, that, uh, cure a body, whatever that is, uh, made my also receiving.

How you want to do this? Uh, I'll go with my number one first. Wow, really? You want to go number five first? I just, I'm so proud of my number one that I want to purchase a copy. of the flag of my number one and I want to put it above my bed like I had the, in college.

There's a high chance I buy a flag of my number one. I either had shirtless Kenny Chesney. Let's put it here. Above my bed. Let's put it here. Done deal. We'll be a sister podcast of that country. Love it. They end up on Wikipedia because you know how all the countries have sister countries? Yes. It'd be

great. We'll be a brother podcast. Brother podcast of Marshall Islands. Oh nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. That's what number one I had to say it. Okay, that's dope. Marshall Islands. Okay.

Now Marshall Islands got a very long look from me. Oh, how could it not win the whole damn thing? The orange and the blue. Oh, my God. The white stripe is brightness. The orange stripe is bravery and wealth. The equator is just south of Marshall Islands. That's what the white stripe is.

I got a weird like airline vibe from it. I like that flag a lot, man. The more I look at it. Do you want to round out your five? You want to hear my one? Let's go Bahrain. Okay. Yeah.

Let's go Bosnia-Herzegovina. Bahrain. Yeah. Bahrain also receiving votes for me. Okay, got votes for you. Malawi. Malawi has a sick flag. 31 rays in their son

representing the 31st state to be freed from European rule. How does that sound to an Anglophile? I like Hong Kong's flag Hong Kong has a very dope flag. You know, I want to put Saudi Arabia deserves a shout out. Okay? Don't know what that writing says. And there's

a sword. I think it's dope looking. I love green. You're right about that. Dominica, you mentioned this, is a really dope flag. Probably received some votes for you as well. In my top three. Yep, yep, yep. Brazil, chalky, but in my top five. So my top five probably

looks Marshall Islands, Brazil, Malawi, Hong Kong, and Bahrain. How about Bahrain coming in at five? My top five, I'm going to go Montenegro, South Korea. Maybe we just see it too often, but a lot going on there, a lot that I like. We have trigrams.

We have four sets of black bars or trigrams. I don't even know what those are. Okay, top three, Dominica, as you said, consisting of a green field bearing a cross of yellow, black, and white stripes in the center of the flag, a red disc bears an imperial parrot

encircled by green stars. That's Dominica, and it's amazing. That's Dominican in a nutshell. Also, if you've ever been to Dominica, that's exactly the type of thing you could expect to see there. Also, top three, Kazakhstan, a gold sun with 32 rays

above a soaring golden step eagle, step eagle, step eagle. Oh, Kazakhstan is a really dope flag, man. Good choice. Thank you. Thank you. On a sky blue field, the hoist side displays a national ornamental pattern Kashkar muis, the horns of the ram in gold. And my number one,

a flag I will be buying. The flag of Zambia. A green field with an orange colored eagle in flight over rectangular block of three vertical stripes colored from left to right and red black and orange and it's off centered which i love i'm a big symmetry guy yeah yeah but this is like hey we're doing our own thing this is really cool and retro looking you know i i don't know how you you came across this but nice work thank you i also like the the welsh flag it's a it's just a dragon or no it's a lion it's a lion it's a lion is it not it's a lion or dragon it's definitely i guess i don't like the flag that much

Well, we talked through it, which is... I will tell you what the most cheeks flag in the entire universe is, and that's Armenia's flag. Check that one out. Let's just roast the fuck out of that flag. Nothing against the country or the people, but I mean, red,

blue, and orange. Yeah. Explain that color combo to me. Like, those colors just don't go together. You made it your... your entire country's flag. No, I'm not Armenian flag. And I'm sorry.

I know some people who are Armenian. I apologize. Germany and Belgium, figure it out. Figure it out. Ireland, ivory coast, figured out. You know?

Tri-color, same colors. Am I right? No, you're right. You're right. Italy, Hungary. Yep. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Marshall Islands.

I'm going to get a Marshall Islands flag. I'm going to go Zambia. Okay. And we're going to throw those things up here. Maybe we can get a bumper sticker. Yeah. A little less of a commitment. No, I'm going to get a flag.

You're getting a real flag. Yeah. Where do you think we, we're going to have room to put it in the... Well, if we do sweet wallpaper back here and it's green, my Zambia flag might not work. I won't put it above my bed at my home. Okay. I'm sure you can clear that with your lovely wife. Yeah, happy flag day, everybody.

We're going to talk about a movie now. Here's my review. the color maroon T.C. Williams High School Denzel Washington I think there was a car accident and that's all I got. These are the ages of the actors

don't tell the people at home. These are the ages of the actors playing the high school kids. Look at that. I have an index card I'm going to tell Coach Wookie now Wookiee's going to come in talk some college baseball to remind you guys

Wookie did play at UVA so he knows he knows the ropes which is making its fifth appearance in Omaha. Yeah, but at the time of record, Wookie and I did not know that they were headed to Omaha. So, hey, Reid, how should we say by to Macon? Macon, would you please kindly fuck off? Respectfully.

You got no choice, man. You got to go. Wookie and I are going to do remember the Titans. So come back Thursday, make. Peace. Coach Wookie, what's the fastest fastball you've ever hit? You sent me that pitching ninja thing last night. 98 mile power fastball up and in on a,

I don't know where the kid was, but it was the vanity pitcher, yeah. Jack lighter, yeah. I think fastest ever hit was 94, 95. I faced a guy who was like a Team USA pitcher from Clemson that threw 97, 98, didn't have a shot. No chance, huh? No chance.

That was the one I realized, like, I am not a pro player. Where does it hurt to get hit by the ball the most in college? Any place with bone. So like elbow, shin, kneecap, ankle, face, obviously. but like they teach you to like face obviously yeah face obviously did anybody ever get hit bad in the face on one of your teams yeah john metzker hit a guy from nc state in the face once blew his face up started a big brawl but he hit him with a change up yeah if you were gonna try to really if you're trying to destroy somebody's face hard to place a change up yeah so we thought that was an unnecessary

fight but i mean pitchers don't aim for the head like that's that's code that's law that's bad you don't aim for the head no the professional hit job is like six inches above the butt square in the middle of the back. That shit just seems like an annoying kind of like pinchy hurt. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's pinchy. Not, yeah, not the thud as much of the upper back as the pinchiness of... Yeah, they teach hitters to like turn and roll and make your...

I can see where they roll. That makes sense. Because then it bounces off like, you know, muscle. Look, what the hell is going on with the College World Series? Can Virginia win the whole thing? They play in about 40 minutes. Look, Virginia's had to overcome a lot to get to where they are. They started the ACC, like, way under.

or 500. So they've rallied to get there. I think they can beat Dallas Baptist. I think a lot of people slept on Dallas Baptist because they're like, who's that? Well, Dallas Baptist is a team that's had like 10 of their last 11 seasons, have 40 wins or more. I didn't even know the place existed, no offense to that. They're like the crown jewel of the whole Dallas Baptist Athletics Department. Like their baseball team is good. So can UVA win? Yeah, they're evenly matched and I think UVA can do it. Are you skirting the big question? The big question is, win the whole thing. Look, I'm looking at Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Texas, and Arizona going, it's going to be tough for the ACC.

Why, you were talking to me about what is it, Vandy has two aces basically that are both just like studs. So Vanderbilt has Jack Leiter, which is Al Leiter's kid. He's all over Twitter. He's intense. He throws 98, just pure gas. They got another guy, Kumar Rocker. Yeah, yeah. I think they have the two best pitchers.

pitchers in college baseball and they're both filthy and so I mean you know we saw Arizona beat um old miss and I think the first match is Arizona who's sporting the best batting average in college baseball going against Vanderbilt in game one Arizona was just peppering somebody last night at one a year we went to watch remember the Titans and the game when I hit play on remember the titans was just starting and when I turned the game off it was like 13 to 4 it was like 1 a.m. Let the kids go home. It's over. Other games, I think the biggest story coming out of baseball right now is that

NC State knocked off the number one overall seed, Arkansas. I looked at that and thought Arkansas is going to breeze by. I mean, NC State's got a good ball club. Like Virginia, they rallied early from a bad start in the ACC. But game one was 21-2 Arkansas. NC State beating Arkansas is insane, that the number one seed is out. So, like, the fact that NC State's going and Arkansas isn't, I don't think anybody would. They would-

Make favor for everybody. Yeah. Other teams, so I mentioned Tennessee as a team to watch. The mojo coming out of Tennessee is amazing. Their fans are raucous. People complain about them, right? They break the unwritten rules?

Yeah. Their mascot, they're playing LSU Tigers. Their mascot dresses up as Tiger King going into the clinching game. Oh, nice. To totally troll their team. Tennessee. So if you want to have some entertainment

on the Tennessee, first entertainment value look up Drew Gilbert's walk off grand slam in the regional it is the most amazing pimp job I've ever seen it's a walk off grand slam right the bat flip is perhaps the most epic

bat flip you know this is what you do when you don't have to see a team anymore you don't do this that's exactly where I was headed yeah you don't like just like in football when you hit listen the thing about football is when you beat a team at the end of the season like it's fucking over you can talk as much shit as you want but after the first one

Like you can call you can say this is you know soft or this is you know like you should talk shit Win or lose or no matter what I do think you know you tell young guys if we got to see these guys again down the road this is a pimp job like right state doesn't even exist anymore like so my takeaway is if this wasn't a walkoff and they had a game the next day it's so bad the next the first three hitters of the game you think yeah like just three in a row this is unbelievable I was you got you it's awesome if virginia if virginia leaves the tournament for some reason and I might have to root for Tennessee. So just to fill out the rest of the field,

Stanford, nine seed, they're a solid club. They got a good solid ace pitcher and Brendan Beck. They had 73 home runs as a team, led the pack 12, so they're not a bad nine seed to make it. Notre Dame, Mississippi State,

that is the seven o'clock game tonight. Notre Dame, I mean, people aren't used to Notre Dame being good at baseball. How have I not been gambling on this shit? Can you help me? I could. So Notre Dame, Mississippi, people are like, Notre Dame,

they're only good at other, you know, baseball. They're actually, they had a good season in the ACC. Like, they have a good team. Why wouldn't Notre Dame be good at everything? They're just grandfathered into relevancy.

I mean, like they get to choose who they play. They get all the national TV deals. There's a big Jesus outside the stadium that feels like cheating. I think people thought Mississippi State was going to roll over Notre Dame. Notre Dame is better than that.

Uh-huh. But I got to say, if I were gambling tonight, I'd go Mississippi State. Well, people will know if you're an idiot in the morning. Exactly, because you got to give the home team. They're hosting, it's their home crowd, it's going to be loud.

Oh, they got cowbells and shit. So it's 1-1, game 3. Mississippi State giving one and a half tonight. Oh, give it. Over under is 12.5. Give it. I'm taking the over. Mississippi State's going to win about 11 to 3.

The last one is Texas. Texas is, if you Google their NCAA baseball tournament stats. Dude, I did not realize how many times they've been here. It's like the whole thing is like But the last national championship they had was 2005 Look they got great pitching great depth They've got like a scrappy hustle Kind of style offense

Like really good on the base paths Like they can lay down a button Get the job done Yeah yeah timely hits like You know I like the top four I like Are Texas Tennessee Arizona Vandy I like Arizona

Not for any reason other than that like It'd be fun to see somebody who's not the Bible Belt or in the SEC win the whole thing. But it should be a good series. I think the ACC's got a tough road to get out though. I don't think the, I think the ACC's got too many good teams to get through. Go-hoo's and of course I kind of shared with you

this story about shock. Yeah. The pitcher from Virginia there. I cannot wait for that. So you've heard the story. People will hear when we get them on the pod, but like it's just incredible the coincidence that has occurred here. Coach Wookie's here to kick off this

series where this summer we on Mondays talk about some football movies. Shout out to the Raw Room. Our friends over there at the Raw Room, Darren Bates. The other day they sparked an evergreen debate, which somebody sparks once a year about like who's the best, what's the best football movie?

I am somebody that, as you could imagine, if there were a bunch of movies made about your profession and maybe there are, depending on who you are, listening out there. You hate most of them. Yeah. I don't like football movies. So I don't see new ones when there's,

an opportunity to see them. It's not the first thing on my list when I'm combing through 80s and 90s flicks. If I saw one, it was usually on accident or I was a kid and went to the theater. So it's been over a decade since I've seen a football movie, like period. I hate baseball movies because every pitcher

in a baseball movie throws stupid. And I can't get over it. Just like great movement. Like Brennan Frazier in the rookie or Kevin Costner in a perfect, whatever, a perfect pitch or perfect guy. Well, what about the guy and, oh, you're saying just they look stupid. They just, they throw stupid and I can't get past that.

You know, it's funny. I mean, like, and we should be able to spot that. I feel like people spotting a fucked up throw like, like anybody can do that. Yeah. Like, football is the, is the, the football movie is the one that gets by people. You know, like, that's bad football there. And there's bad football in the movie that we're going to talk about today. But yeah, that's interesting.

There's a lot of bad baseball, huh? And you'd think they could get that down. Yeah. Like, there's a ton of college pitchers out there. I think I could make a whole reel of what bad movie pitching. So that's Brendan Fraser's best, best shot probably is what you're thinking. Yeah, like, could you get somebody else to throw it? What's the best baseball movie?

If we ever get to these. Bull Durham. Yeah, I love Bull Durham. Well, Major League's my favorite. Like, there are so many good quotes. Held it like an egg. He sure scrambled it. Hit the mascot.

Yeah, I love that movie. That's my dad's favorite line. Yeah. And I was inaccurate as a pitcher. Yeah. So he used it a lot. Let's get too. Love that movie.

It was all. It was on like a couple weeks ago. It's one that like it's, but the rule is there are certain movies that if they're on and you turn them on, you have to sit down and finish them, Bull Durham being one of them. This one is one I would never finish.

I would never watch twice until, until now for the sake of content. We're kicking off this thing and we don't have a name for this shit. Greenlight gridiron classics. How about how about Slap the Monday Matinee? Yeah, I thought about Monday movies. You know, you have some alliteration.

Slap a fucking pound sign ahead of Greenlight Gridiron Classics, which is the longest hashtag in the world. Guys, make sure you hashtag that when you tweet about our thing. I'm not a social. I can't. As much I use Twitter, I don't use it in any organized fashion. So I don't even

know how to put out like a podcast correctly on my Twitter. Fly United? Yeah, I know how to, I know how to I let DJ Reader live today. The defensive tackle from Texas tweet from a DJ Reader complaining about United Airlines. I'm like you know what I'm gonna sit this one out I sat out Dick Vitale it was just it was just a lot in in a couple weeks and

you got to you got to let that joke marinate a little bit but we're we're talking about remember the Titans today you and I coach watched uh remember the Titans the 2000 film starring denzo washington and a whole bunch of 30 year old white guys we watched that last night we did when was the last time you watched that movie it's been a long long time for me it was effectively I watched it once never watched it again you know It's like so many people want to ask you if you saw a movie and you're like, yeah. And they're like, well, here are five lines. Do you recognize them?

I'm intensely reading your eyes. And I'm like, I'm not lying. I saw the movie, but I can't remember every movie I ever saw. And if I didn't love it, it's kind of in one ear or out the other. And that was kind of the situation. We remember the Titans. I could not stand the movie. I've always kind of made it a bit to antagonize people, you know, into getting mad at me for not liking.

Remember the Titans? But it's your fault you like corny shit. Yeah. Like you are, you're being a Walmart consumer here. Now, I got nothing against Walmart, so don't take that the wrong way. But you're being a popular consumer right here. This movie was made for the masses. It's a Disney movie, dude.

This is bottom of the food chain in a lot of ways. Now, I understand there's a message. I love the message. I do. We'll get into some of the inaccuracies. Okay. We'll get into some of the characters. But let's just start with this best and worst scene.

My favorite scene, and this is giving credit to the movie, Well, I have two. So from just like a one-liner kind of funny, when Coach Boone's daughter sees Coach Yost's daughter going crazy in the stands, and she's like, Mommy, are all white girls this crazy? Yeah, that was fun. I thought that was pretty funny. That stood the test of time.

My second one was there's a scene in like the stairwell. Like Boone had been, Boone starts off by being like really accommodating to Yost. Like I know, I don't want to take your job if I don't deserve it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he goes, and then he goes full. Yeah, to lay it out. Yeah, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna loosely be referring to actors and roles.

So just try to bear with us. So Denzel starts out being like really, like accommodating. Yeah, like overly accommodating. And then as soon as they go to camp, and he was clearly walking into a fucked up situation. Yeah, then they go to camp and he switched right into asshole mode. And so you kind of see him being hard on him for the whole movie. And there's a scene in the stairwell where he's going after the assistant coach hard saying,

why is it you only coddle the black players? And that one, I thought that was a good scene because he'd been, hard on him kind of unnecessarily. And so I thought, here's another scene where he's going hard on him. But I felt like that one, you know, the assistant coach was like, you make a good point. And then that shows itself later with Petey when he sits him. Yeah, he sat Petey because Petey wasn't getting the job done, who he had put in earlier in the movie for Ryan Gosling.

And so that whole coddling thing went full circle. Because Ryan Gosling kept getting caught in man coverage in the red zone and just was like, it sends somebody in motion. Fucking Ryan Gosling was like hopeless. Yeah. So for Ryan Gossley, dude. But, but hey,

he comes up with a big win. He's kind of a long way to, to drive, place beyond the pine, some of those raw roles he's been in. But he kind of saved the day in the state championship when he was like, if you want to come out,

give your slot to Pete. And he was like, I cannot. Like, we will die if I keep playing football out of it. Yeah, yeah. So I thought that was a good one. That was really cool.

What was your best scene? My best scene, honestly, there was one scene in the movie where I was like, they nailed this. You know, there is that kind of form of, formulaic sports movie thing in the back, you know, half where they go montage of things going

well. They speed through the season. I thought they did that well with the split screen. They had three screens. And I thought that was actually well done. And it immediately is followed by, you know, success and happiness. And then I think they, they followed that with, hey, they're going to fire a coach, I think came right after that maybe. They were trying to stage a coup, right? at that point. So they did the formulaic montage, then they did the things aren't so great. And then it was good again.

I think I had the correct order here, but Denzel is in the street, and he's getting cheered on by everybody in the neighborhood, which, again, like much of the movie, what a metamorphosis to essentially, from essentially clan members to in like 10 football games. Yeah. Which is kind of an interesting metaphor for some football fans.

Yeah. And kind of how they can have, flow through the week. But they're cheering on Denzel. Suddenly it's all good. Denzel is happy as he should be. I felt good for the character. And then the Gary Bertier thing.

Yeah. Which was inaccurate. Gary Burtier got hurt after the season. He never got hurt before the, and there's a list of inaccuracies I have for you, not to be a Debbie Downer, but I love this stuff. Gary Burtier rolling, you know, into that accident and kind of like you knew, everybody knows what's happening here.

And they just did a really good job of, weaving that like happy moment with the immediate downer, which is kind of formulaic. You have that in a lot of movies, but I thought they nailed that sequence. The worst scene for me, I never really liked left side, strong side. Oh, thank you. That held up that I still don't like it, but the worst scene for me was probably the football in the state championship. And we'll get to how the football was played out.

But there was some really poor football being played. And then like everything that happened, it felt like they had to kind of rush to tie a bow on it. And they didn't have, and I'll get to this in a second, the realistic inspiration to draw from because that football game was much different in real life. It was against a different team, and they won 27 and nothing. They were down 7-0 of the half, and they made it all dramatic. I didn't like that scene for a number of reasons.

I just think they could have done better. Worst scene for me? Yeah. Any scene where Bertie is giving a team speech. Like right side, left side. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like every delivery of his. Bertier.

Yeah, every delivery. Did you give his name a French pronunciation? I think I did. Bertier? Bertie A? Like Perrier? He was a redneck, not a French dignitary. Bertier, sorry.

Any speech that he gave was bad. The delivery was bad. Oh, really bad. But he did. You and I have been on Team Sports. Yeah. And we're white guys trying to break down a fucking huddle and we know that was bad. Yeah.

Okay. Not delivered. But I will say, like, he did get away with that line in the hospital where he's like, hey, nurse, don't you see the family resemblance? Right. You know, I thought, I haven't written down. worst bad or best bad line yes that may have been the only what's the damn name bertier yeah that only bertier line would be relatively realistic in a set i feel like that was the one line he got away with

everything else just screamed dork yeah i mean he was a dork and he was very old the players were all old i got some ages for you i've been waiting for this julius maybe one of my favorite characters and that was uh off a short list of of positive characters for me julius is avon barksdale that's how long it's been for me since I've seen the movie that I'm like Avon's in this I know from the wire of course if you haven't seen it Julius he's good 31 years old 301 years old because he wasn't much older in the wire dude he went from being like Gary Bertier's fucking roommate to drug kingpin in like three four years man he was good in that role yes dude he was good I keep going Gary Bertier 24 years old PD 26 Rev 26 Louis 24 Louis looked old as fuck

for 24. Louis is my favorite character. I like Louis a lot. Sunshine 25, Gosling 20. Again, Gosling was like the only kid. Ray 27 and Blue 26. Who is Ray's the super racist.

Ray is basically, he's David Duke. Yes. This guy is like a child version of David Duke. Here's the kicker as we get into the inaccuracies here. I'll just list them. First off, I mentioned the state championship, 27-0. Yost has four daughters. Hmm.

And they all live with the mom. Okay? They didn't run at 3 a.m. at Gettysburg. Most players had long hair at that juncture. You know, sunshine that was overplayed. So, Yos has four daughters and they all live with mom. They didn't run at 3 a.m. Most players had long hair.

Ray was a fictional character. And Ray was just an absurd bad character. Like, he was just the only true villain that they couldn't bother to try to remediate. Yeah, remediate in the entire thing. And Reed and Taylor back there like I had them look up to see, you know, what former players were saying. And one of the things that they were like, well, a lot of stuff we were reading is that,

you know, there might have been some inaccuracies, the certain things weren't about race, that sort of thing. And there was a but. And I was like, but did you hear any black players accounts? Yeah. You know, because if there was a shred of, um, of the truth with some of these guys and the things they were saying, um, that would have been a hell of a metamorphosis. Yes. you know, when it came to a worldview. Also, when it comes to racism, this is so Disney and just water it the fuck down.

Remember when they had the brick thrown through the window? The brick being thrown. There was never a brick, okay? It was a toilet. Somebody actually had the audacity, the arrogance, the ignorance. The motivation to throw a toilet. Imagine how racist you have to be to be like, I'm going to haul a toilet up this guy's lawn

because he's a good football coach and he's black. and I'm going to chuck that thing through the window. He didn't even go with like a standard. A full toilet. A fucking toilet. I don't know if it was a big toilet. I don't know if it was a small load of the ground toilet, but it's a toilet nonetheless.

The hatred to carry that thing and deliver that. You got to be a pretty ignorant motherfucker. And here's the deal. Disney watered it down. I know it made more sense in the movie. It might have looked almost like a skit to see a toilet, but that's literally how ridiculous racism in the 70s was. Good Lord.

I mean, like it was way more. overt than how. And I wasn't there, but they were throwing toilets through black coaches' windows because they were good at football. You're coaching football. Like your team's winning and you're throwing a fucking toilet through this guy's window. How much do you hate black people, man? Like how much?

And you know what the worst part about that scene was? Coach Yost, and I'll get to him in a minute, actually had the audacity to make it into a, my daughter had to go through that. Yeah. Stop antagonizing the community. Like, I'm like, you're actually victim blaming Denzel here and had the audacity to blame him that your daughter saw a brick. What'd she see?

She saw a brick through the window? Mm-hmm. I mean, like, golly. I think the biggest problem with the whole movie, though, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, look. I had a hard time wrapping my head around liking almost any of the characters. Like any of them. Okay.

What about Louis? I liked him just fine. I thought the singing was a little over the top and kind of like, You know, we get it, Louie. You sing. Bertier was the number one offender for me. They actually made him into a protagonist. And again, as I'm analyzing these characters and these coaches, just know that we don't

know the real people. We're analyzing the Disney rendition of these people. I don't know the real characters. But the way Disney portrayed Bertier, he was a fucking racist, dude. The way, like, Gary Bertier, the first, like, line he delivers, he's calling black people animals. So I was like, and I had seen this movie 20 years ago, and I was like, golly, dude. Like, and they made him, you could never make that character into a protagonist by the end of the movie in

2021. Rightfully so, because if the movie's playing out over a fall, I mean, like, not only is it too short of a span of time that I'm actually going to believe somebody's changed from being that guy, but Gary Burtier in real life, that school was integrated five, six years earlier. So integration happened when he was like 12, dude. You've had plenty of time to warm up and not call black people animals or walk up to Denzel and make demands on the bus. Much like his character arc on racism, he was quick to change from like, hey, I'm making X, Y, Z demands to, you're my daddy. So, Bertier wasn't just a racist.

He was kind of just a little bitch in the movie. So I wrote that down where it's like he came out hard on Denzel. Two minutes later, he's like, you're my dad. I'm like, what happened? Yeah, just like at least be, at least be like James Dean. and so we just know you're a racist. Like, you know, like just stick with your racist guns, man. Stick with your guns.

James Dean was always in the shadows, that character, his buddy. Like they always had him in the shadows just looking like with that whiny, bitchy face. You know, just like, but Burtier came around so quick. I just don't buy it. I just don't buy it. And on top of that toxic masculinity, he's afraid to tell his girlfriend he loves her, which is we found out more about his girlfriend. Remember on the phone he was afraid to say, I love you.

He wouldn't do well. this podcast. We love our lovely wife. Shout out to your lovely wife as well. Yeah. I mean, he was afraid to say, I love you on the phone. Turns out that it's probably good because she was like,

because she was like getting the car with me and the white people. Tommy Lauren was, she based her character on this character. And then she just stopped the movie before the state championship where she shook Avon Parksdale's hand. Yeah. Like that's where Tommy Lauren stopped this character study. But they're the same person.

Yep. The same person. So I mean, Bertier sucked. You know, Yost sucked. I wanted Yost to be cool so bad. I wanted to be so cool, so bad because they kind of like, they kind of, they kind of slow bled his racism. Yeah.

They kind of were like, he might be a good guy, but then he'd say something every now and again. It's like, oh, he just doesn't talk as much. Like maybe he just doesn't get it. No, no, no, no. I thought maybe like because he was staying quiet that he had some internal struggle going on. And maybe he did. And I need to dig into Yost's character more because I'm sure he's like in a lot of ways a legend

and they had to play this up a little bit. But he also could have been a racist. I mean, it was Virginia in 1971. I don't know the real guy, but the character, to me, it was so funny because you're sitting there and you're thinking, oh, he's probably okay. He's just having this internal conflict, and he's trying to figure out how to speak out against it.

But then he'd say something and be like, yeah, he's just kind of a quiet guy. And so it's just more scenes between him saying something racist. And like the funniest shit in the world, what wasn't funny was like his seminal moment in the state championship game. followed the best speech in the movie. Best and Worst speech?

Denzel's speech going into halftime. He had some dog shit speeches. It was like, Denzel's speech going into halftime was like, well, boys, you tried. You can hold your heads high. That was bad.

And I'm glad Avon stepped up there. He was a real leader. Like, that's the best speech in the movie. That's the best speech in the movie. It's the best speech in the movie. It should have been delivered better. It wasn't delivered right.

And I don't know that it was like directed right. Because you know, you would have said it differently. They had like the somber music, the reflective music. music like that doesn't happen in a football locker room but if that was given like the night before game the contents of what he said which is that like none of us are perfect but this team is perfect right that's a very basic concept but it's so true when you're on a team that's perfect it's that way

forever and so i thought that was a very good speech now of course it was followed by yost getting like the angelic disney speech filter they they threw that shit on him and he had that like look like he just emerged out of a locker and was ready to pitch something on a commercial it was like so cheesy and he always has that shit eating and grin even at the funeral he couldn't keep that shitty in his face and by the way there were two foreshadowing lines first off denzil said this to yos you're crippling these kids for life this is like 20 minutes before bertier got hurt do you remember that i didn't catch that yeah you didn't catch that you also didn't catch denzil telling bertier to go sit down somewhere really yeah so yost is giving this speech and it's

so dog shit the contents of the speech, unless I heard it wrong on 30 milligrams of an edible, was like, essentially, I've been doing a lot of thinking and I trust a black guy now. I need help. No, wasn't that the speech, though? Yeah. I mean, did I read that wrong? Tell me. Was it a race thing

or was it just a football trust thing with that speech? I think it's both because I think his pride or the racism kept him from trusting Denzel. Yeah. And I think it took his daughter to say to him, you're getting slayed on the field dad.

But just imagine that's your big speech, like two hours of fucking of character development and it lands at like, I'm a hero, I trust the black coach. Like what, dude? It just like, I'll go on and on. Alan's dad

sucked five times player of the week. Who cares? Player of the week, dude. Your son's getting burnt in man coverage. Okay? There's a guy on offense, hasn't even practiced the plays, doesn't know any coverages and just blanketed number 23. Okay, so Alan's dad sucks. The assistant coach sucks.

She told Yost to go to hell over high school football with tears in his eyes at a fucking diner. Re-evaluate your life. You suck. Kip Tyler from Groveston. Hurt by a quarterback. You suck. I mean, running back, the guy they put in on defense for Ryan Gossing, he sucked.

He threw his blockers under the bus immediately. Sorry, but Hayden, how do I say her last name? Panetteer. Panetteer. See, that's why I was saying birdie air. Yeah. Yeah, dude,

you're just in the French mode. She sucked. I'm sorry. We don't need you to talk veer, dude. Like you're nine. It's not about you being a girl. So she's not believable,

but her character entertain me. I don't like she belonged in three billboards. Like she's corny like that. I mean, the list goes on. Obviously, there were a bunch of characters.

Oh my God. You're going to have so many people come out of the woodwork again on three billboards with you. Well, whatever. I mean, the movie sucks.

I uh, Francis McDorman was awesome. The worst football scene though is the state championship to wrap this thing up. I mean, and if you have any characters that don't suck, you could tell me before we head out. But worst scene was the fumble because these guys, these guys alerted me that in 1971,

the fumble in the state championship, not only was it like unsound, like just take a knee, right? Just take a fucking knee. But on top of that, you could not, you couldn't advance a fumble. Not that they advanced a fumble in that situation,

but in various plays in the movie, they advanced a fumble. Like if a defense recovered a fumble in 71, you could not advance it. Not only that, but it was funny with, I laughed at this line, like shotgun,

what are they? The New York Jets? Yeah. These guys told me the Jets didn't, the shotgun went invented, invented until 1975. Also, what a mind fuck that the Jets were the gold standard

that, you know, like that was your picket team back then. It just shows you how long ago it was. But the worst scene was preceding that fumble in the state championship. how slow that guy was running, how bad the running was. The running was like jarring bad, dude. The running was jarring bad.

And on the topic of that play, the play that followed it, the coach panicked, oh, they're going to throw it deep. What the fuck do you think they're going to do, coach? It's the last play of the state championship. They're backed up. Like, what else they have to do? And he acted like it was like this revolutionary thought that they're going to throw it deep. Yeah.

Also, Sunshine, best football player in the whole thing, the blocks he threw on that fucking, touchdown at the end were incredible. This guy was incredible. Best football player in the whole movie. I see why Trevor Lawrence is Sunshine. It made sense to me. Yeah. In the end, they tied it together pretty well, the ending. Yeah. I mean, what you don't know is that Gary was hit by a drunk driver, so that was terrible. I mean, you think about in real life, this guy got hit like by too bad, you know, bad, just terrible luck, dude. Sad ending, but they kind of glossed over the somber part of it. they threw like bad hairlines on avon barksdale they just moved his hairline back they moved a couple

guys hairlines back they put yost they like put some salt in his beard and he saw that shit eating grin he couldn't wipe it off his face even at a funeral for one of his players i'm going to give this movie a five out of ten and i think that's me being generous so i was going to give it a six because i grew up in northern virginia went to woodsin high school played against tc williams so it's just kind of fun to see hernd and hornets on the board, see them playing Marshall. Those are all the teams that we played. And it reminded me of a couple of funny T.C. Williams stories. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. So funny story number one is they used to play their baseball games, like in some community field. They didn't have a baseball field. And the first thing we had to do when we would get there is we had to go on glass duty and pick up all the beer bottles and throw them back over the side of the fence. We didn't have glass duty at our high school.

Not a step. So that was the first thing, warm up. You couldn't warm up until you threw all the bottles back over the field. Second T.C. Williams story is that, That's where I got my first varsity pitching win. Oh. Yeah. First win ever pitching in varsity high school was against T.C. Williams.

But it's also one of my worst moments because in the sixth inning, I was knocked out by a laser beam comebacker that went off my glove and hit my left nut. No. I don't either say it knocked unconscious. Nope. Hit my left nut. Just hear you square in the testicle, but not at all on the right testicle. I tried to get the glove and it went bang.

Isn't that amazing? Just the exactness of where that thing ended up that it hit your left. left one but not your right one. So I had to come out of the game, obviously, as a kid that got hit in the nuts. Yeah, obviously. And then your coach is looking at you, like, why didn't you wear a cup, right?

Can't pitch with a cup? I feel like they were just all over that. You know what? Put that as a pool. I didn't wear a cup on first base. No, like put that as a pool. I don't see how you pitch with a cup. I think it's impossible.

Yeah, I don't know how you do anything with a cup. Right. So then I have to come out and goalies wearing cups. I get that. So, like, so yeah. So it was like got my first win, but I spent that. I got that win sitting in the dugout watching like waiting for my testicle to swell up to the size of his baseball.

Well, good news is you have four kids. Worked out. I'm fine now. And you must be using the reserves on the right side. Five is generous for me, but I'm doing it as to not be disrespectful. And it's early in this thing. We're going to watch like 10 or 15, 20 of these movies. It's not going to be Wook every week. You know, Wook is a busy guy.

Might have some special guests. But Wook's going to be showing up a lot as we're doing these movie reviews. And I just want to say one thing to finish. I was talking about characters I didn't like. I'm sorry. As much I liked Denzel, I think he's a great actor. I think he did great in the movie. I think he carried it in a lot of ways.

I just wasn't that enamored with the character. No, but when he first shows up to the gym and he sees his team, and he's like, you're sorry? Yeah. You're sorry? Sir? Are you happy? Okay, I'm glad you brought that up.

They plucked that from Full Metal Jacket. They stole that scene from Full Metal Jacket. And I was told that they also copied Varsity Blues, which we're going to be rewatching at some point here soon a little bit in the opener, talking about like in Virginia high school footballs everything. And there was essentially the same line in Varsity Blues as well, but for Texas, and it's way more true in Texas.

And then they stole the Gettysburg. They didn't steal Gettysburg. When did any given Sunday come out before Remember the Titans? But there's a part where Alpichael, Gino goes, if we don't heal as a team right now, we will die as individuals, which is one of the best fucking, I got chills right now. Like, whoo! I used to listen to that fucking whole speech in the locker before games, especially.

Any given Sunday, 1999. Okay. So they had a year to put in the Gettysburg speech that, you know, he said, if we don't come together, if we don't come together right now on this hollow ground, then we will destroy each other. like which just to me sounded like a translation of the Al Pacino speech and putting to that you know if we don't we'll destroy each other just like all these dead civil war guys man it's by the way that jog was ridiculous

it never happened I don't know how far Gettysburg the battlefield is from the school but look like a little ways two miles so okay so a two mile run man a two mile run these kids were these kids were out of shape they should have been running at 3 a.m. Yeah two fucking miles another thing is they were all dirty and then Denzel didn't have a drop of sweat on him, I feel like. I feel like he had his shirt tucked in and everything. I will say this. I liked about his character was he didn't apologize for anything.

And that's what you had to be. I'm sure to be a black coach in the 70s. Like there were times where you were like, oh, his bedside manner kind of could be tough. But think about what he was up against. I mean, so I'm not discounting him like his character on the count of that. The reason I don't like him is because he made them run over water break. I mean, you're a bad coach.

You're going to get canceled now. days and I know everybody was doing it but you know what else everybody was doing racism that doesn't make it okay fucking give the kids some water water's important yeah okay like you're gonna kill somebody says that says the mayor of hydration for the summer yeah uh remember the titans five out of 10 yeah so from a from a from a from a water kind of foundations you give it a zero out of 10 yeah I give it a zero out of 10 there I mean also the drills were bad I mean like there are typical 70s drills so not hard to execute for athletes. Bumble drill.

You know, Greg Williams used to make us do 40 up downs. He used to tell us, we're going to do 40 updowns to start practice. And it was usually a scare tactic. You'd get to like 23 and he'd say, stop if you've already been on the team and you've done it. But that reminded me of just like the sheer caveman nature of some of those drills. Yes. Like there's no football application to those. It's just will breaking.

Yeah, we used to have eye openers. Eye openers. Where you just run up and hit each other? Yeah. Yeah, bull in the ring is what we call it. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. But I miss it.

A couple hits last night that made me miss football a little bit. We'll be back with more movie takes. Greenlight, gridiron, classics. Monday matinee. Yeah, I had to throw a fucking pound sign before that. It's called a hashtag. All right. See y'all.