Green Light with Chris Long - George Kittle! Top Gun: Maverick Review & Dirty Harry from Vegas’ The Match.

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

(2:23) - Hello and Biggest Relief Feelings. (14:09) - George Kittle on Tight End University, Blocking Traits for TEs, Executing the Running Game-plan and NFL TEs as Pro Wrestlers.  (59:03) - Top Gun ...Maverick Review.  (1:31:51) - Dirty Harry Recaps Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes at The Match in Vegas and Gives Out a Marry F*** Kill. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Tight-end U is coming up at the end of the month, so we welcome George Kittle on today. George and Chris basically teach a class on tight-in blocking techniques, the most effective blocking and receiving tight-ins. They also talk to the tight-end market, which tight-end is going to get that next record-setting deal. Then at the end, they match NFL tight-ends to pro wrestlers. After George is a heavily spoiled review of Top Gun. Top Gun was amazing. out and see it, but know that we will heavily spoil the film after George Kittle. And to end the show,
Starting point is 00:01:38 Dirty Harry stops by, he recaps the match and gives us a merry, beep, kill. Y'all enjoy it and have a wonderful day. Where are we saying hello to Kingston? It was what island? North Island, San Diego, California. Hello! We saw Top Gun. We just, we left, we came here, we had a blast talking about Top Gun. We recorded a George Kittle interview earlier. That was electric. A lot of what's the level they always refer to in college
Starting point is 00:02:47 when it's advanced, like 301, 401 level like technique and handwork talk between a tight end and a defensive end. And I can tell you with Kittle, there's nobody that makes me wish I could still play football more than George Kittle,
Starting point is 00:03:03 which makes no sense because he'd be the biggest motherfucker to deal with. but the challenge of like watching him block i'm like damn that would be cool to find out what it's like to set an edge on george kitt i could see your competitive instincts perking up a little bit during the interview he's so fucking cool though he's the greatest and uh you know i've been around him once or twice or connected with him once or twice rather i learned a lot about him in this interview but a great dude and just plays the game the right way i don't say that phrase about too many people because that i think gets thrown out a little too much he plays the game the right way
Starting point is 00:03:37 like finishes, he's respectful, he respects the game, he respects his opponents, but he will try to literally end you on the field, which is, you know, it makes for a long day, but it makes for some of the most memorable games playing against guys like George Kittle. So hope you enjoy hearing from George Kittle talking about Tite-N University. We're gonna, I mean, we talked about Tidon so long.
Starting point is 00:04:00 I felt like I was setting an edge. Set a record. Yeah, we set a record. You told me to set the timer for 20 minutes and you guys went way, way past 20 minutes talking about tight ends so um listen guys you're going to get after the kittle interview you're going to get a really wide open discussion on top gun there will be some spoilers in there so if you're one of the unfortunate souls that has not seen that movie get your ass to top gun
Starting point is 00:04:26 and load up you know minute i don't know 58 or something whatever it is of this podcast because that's where we're going to talk about an immediate top gun react action so listen last night i had a big toothache man big toothache your boy was down i was thinking about things like mouth cancer okay but it was just a kernel of popcorn that was stuck in my tea your brain always goes to the worst possible thing yeah i mean for sure dude i played a sport where you're constantly looking over your shoulder fearing catastrophic injury someone taking your job the public hating you thinking you're soft yeah but you're right though i mean i'm a little bit paranoid and so i've gotten better webmd used to be a thing you know like a thing i don't think i visited that site
Starting point is 00:05:17 in eons so that's pretty good but last night your boy was like and i wasn't too concerned especially now that i've seen top gun you know what else is there to do on this planet but i was i was a little bit worried and then i vigorously brushed my teeth and and floss my teeth and out came that kernel dude that popcorn kernel had been in my teeth since memorial day dude it was deep down in there ever since your boy got invisaline i got fucking space between my choppers so you know i'll get a stray piece of popcorn in there sometimes camping out for a day so my my mouth is just throbbing in the minute i get that kernel out instant relief i would go as far as saying that the instant relief you receive from removing a kernel of popcorn
Starting point is 00:06:07 is a top five relief feeling. Now there are some heavy hitters in there, right? Like dropping the kids off at the pool, right? You think taking this shit is one of the biggest relief feelings? The right one? Yeah. I mean, it's early in the open to be talking about this. But yeah, I was trying to use code. Dropping the kids off at the pool.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Um, you know, there's pop and a pimple. People watch TikToks of like pimples pop and it gives them like a ASMR visual. Yeah, it's just read. You know what I'm talking about? People do this. Yeah. And they take videos of it and it's way too much. Yeah. And then it pops up on your Instagram every once in a while.
Starting point is 00:06:50 But who knows where? But I'll be damned if sometimes I don't just watch just once. And damn, that was a big pimple, man. That had to feel good. And then you get nightmares about it. When you have debilitating back pain, I would do just about anything to get a crack. I mean, like, I'm rolling around on the ground sometimes for 30 minutes at a time, trying to get my back to crack. That crack, if you ever get it, top five feeling.
Starting point is 00:07:14 But I want to put extracted popcorn kernel in the top five. Yours are all super like physical things that you feel in your body. Certainly. I mean, yeah, what's another one? Like, you know. Finding something that you lost that you've been looking for. Certainly. Finding your wallet.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Finding a tint and dip at 1. m. Because I need dip to sleep. makes no sense but finding a tin to dip at 1 a.m. when you think you got to drive to the fucking gas station. Yeah. Or you think you're out of soda and then you find one like hidden behind the milk. Oh, see, I never have that.
Starting point is 00:07:44 That's Macon's, what's a kid's name from Kentucky, Josh Paskill. That's Macon's Josh Paskill. If you're listening, Macon, your ears perked up. It was a relief, man. And just to think on top of that, that it was right in time for Top Gun, man. I mean, I'm a little misty thinking about how the universe, the stars of a line for me to be able to see this motion picture tonight. It didn't stop you from going right back to the popcorn.
Starting point is 00:08:09 No, dude, I was back at it tonight. It smelled so good when you walked into the movie. Popcorn. Popcorn hits you right in the face. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I offered some. Yeah, you did. You abstained.
Starting point is 00:08:19 I abstained. I ate the junior mints and lifesavered gummies. We had hot tamales. Reed went to CVS, got hot tamales, Reese's for me, forgot it in the studio. so I'm going to be home at 1 a.m. tonight eating Reese's and hot tamales. I crushed a whole box.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Yeah. They're hot. These are the fierce cinnamon ones. Hot tamales should definitely have a NASCAR. That's a great idea. Right? Right. If I'm the guy with the big office at hot tamale, I'm calling NASCAR tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:08:57 I'm calling Brad Doherty tomorrow. Brad, the CEO. of hot tamale you need to get some of our fierce cinnamon on one of your cars brad anyways um enjoy enjoy the george kittle interview and uh and we'll be back after the weekend i'm probably going to have seen top then again just like you matt no regrets about seeing it a second time no regrets bro also um to close the show we're going to have a special visitor dirty hairy uh if you've listened to recent pod you know who he is somebody very close to me he's uh he went to the match in las Vegas the golf match uh between the quarterbacks I'm gonna say this everybody's fit said a lot
Starting point is 00:09:48 about them right did you did you catch that oh for sure homes had a major like fun guy baseball player like fit like natural athlete like just scratch golfer that goes down to the public course and just breaks, dude. And looks like he'd drink a beer afterwards. Drinks a fucking beer, drinks many beers during. Yeah. Like, he has a speaker. He's talking in people's back swings.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I don't know if that was him tonight. Tom was complaining about somebody talking on his back swing. You know, Brady, he had the sponsorship stuff. Like, he was very well dressed. Everything fit perfectly. The motherfucker just looks good in his clothes, man. You know what I mean? That's a skill, looking good in your clothes.
Starting point is 00:10:30 I know. I don't have it. You could put that outfit on some people and it just does it, but everything looks good on Tom Brady, dude. It's good for Tom Brady. And then, you know, Aaron Rogers is a villain. He literally looks like a movie villain. He literally looks like a movie villain.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Like he's got some evil tech company. His name is Hans, bro. And boy, can he mash a golf ball? Which shocks me zero. He's an amazing athlete and all these highly skilled quarterbacks are always really good. Josh Allen looks like he did not give a fuck. much about you know like the outfit probably my favorite player out there yeah dude incredible also incredible to see josh allen and street clothes yeah love that if there was an instagram that was like
Starting point is 00:11:12 just josh allen and street clothes walking around looking like a giant great athlete he's a fucking tank man it's so much bigger than those dudes he's sick dirty harry's coming on and talk about the match but if you go to the match you do not stand where they stand at the masters man like you're taking your life in your hands you give them a clear alley you give them an alley you stay way behind. Because, and I don't even think these were a lot of like drunk football fans I think. Because they just cheered after every hit.
Starting point is 00:11:40 They were cheering. And the ball was in the woods. Josh Allen put the ball into that fucking construction site and they were just like, yeah. Somebody said like getting the hole. The ball was in the mulch. So people were fried out there. We'll see how fried, dirty hairy was.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Sunshine and cold beer. It's a deadly combination if you're going to get on a podcast. See if you keep it together. So, yeah, we've got Kittle, spoilers from Top Gun, and then Dirty Harry to finish the show. Maybe we'll do
Starting point is 00:12:11 Fuck Mary Kill, which is his specialty, it seems. I hope we do. You're so sick. If the Top Gun people needed, like, the perfect Fuck Mary Kill think tank, like, we need Dirty Harry. And they would call him
Starting point is 00:12:29 and fly him in and on. on F-18. That's what we're doing, dude. This is the deadest period in sports. So you should just be thankful for all this content. You should be fucking... You should be telling your friends about this podcast. Can you do that?
Starting point is 00:12:41 Can you go tell your friends about this podcast? We're working our asses off here. It's fucking 1 a.m. Our pets' heads are falling off, dude. All right, but we got George Kittle here today. The right draft pick can take your team to the playoffs and beyond. When you're scouting prospects, you need a powerful partner. You need Indeed.
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Starting point is 00:14:12 So this is exhilarating because he's one of my favorite players but it's also painful because I have to talk about tight ends for I don't know George I'm going to devote I'll give you 20 minutes of pure tight ends talk on this pod before we move on to something else. So Matt, start the clock. George Kittles here. Some would say he's the best tight end in football. I might say he's the best tight end in football because he actually blocks his ass off.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And that's usually how I dealt with tight ends. So really excited to introduce George Kittle. What's up, dude? Dude, I appreciate that. Just happy to be here with the boys. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm excited to be on your podcast.
Starting point is 00:14:49 You came on mine, the hidden pearls, like the new logos. I love the logo. I need one of those hats, but I will say this, you know, because I'm a pretty transparent person. I was late as fuck to George's podcast. It was like 20 minutes late. There's a major phone issue, but I've never felt so bad about something in my life.
Starting point is 00:15:04 And then like you show up to, to Georgia's podcast and his dad's there and his dad is like a badass. And you're just like, fuck, dude. I disappointed George's dad. He feels like a coach, doesn't he, he's a doctor? He is a coach. I know he's a coach.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Because Lane Johnson told me he was a coach. And that's how I figured it out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he coached old Lane back at Oklahoma, baby. What do you say about old Lane? Oh, he loved Lane Johnson. You kidding me? So we played you got, we've been to Philly twice in my career and both times. He just doesn't see me after like he's he'll say hi to me after the game and then he goes to Lane's house. Yeah, because Lane is like one of the most fun people of all time to be around. Dude, he's intrigued.
Starting point is 00:15:43 And also he did the, um, this is a dynamite segue into tight end university. Let's just rip the bandaid off. Like he's got the t-shirt. This guy knows how to plug stuff. Dude, he's got to his hat, he's got the t-shirt. The man is a brand and he's got a university. It's free college actually. I don't think these guys have to pay when they come to the TEU, do they? Does it have to get their flight. That's about it.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Everything else is take care of. So Lane, and this sounds like a pretty good gig, Lane started like an O-Line summit. You know, we've had some other stuff pop up. I don't know who had the Pass Rush Summit. Von Miller did. Von Miller did. And Michael Bennett used to go over there a lot, so I used to talk to Mike about
Starting point is 00:16:22 that. Is that kind of where it started for you, you were like, this is, this is popping up. Why not? What about us? Well, I had, so I live in Nashville in the off season. I convinced, so I started on there, it was like me, a wide receiver, Trent Taylor, and then two other wide receivers train with my speed guy and a strength coach. And the following year, I convinced Rob Tunney to come down, that I convinced T.J. Hawkinson to come down. And then there were a couple other, like, some Niners tight ends came down. And after a while, we had like six to ten tight ends on any given day and now I think we're like 12 in Nashville. And a couple years ago, I was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:56 I'd love to have like more and more tight ins come because for me, like, I want to put myself around the best in business. I want to compete against other tight ends and see where they're at and how I can get better and like watching your tape with them. Um, then Greg Olson retired from the Seahawks and I was like, Greg, come down and like teach us some stuff, you know, and he was like, well, why don't we invite a bunch of guys down and we're like making a summit or something like that? And I was like, that's a good idea. So we got Kelsey in and he was super excited about it. And then we went right into like, hey, let's just call Titan University because we had National Tighten Day. Tidey University seemed like an easy gig. And then we, our goals
Starting point is 00:17:29 have like 15 to 20 people down and it ended up being 49 guys. We're here last year. And I think our lists are already like I think we're over 60. I think we're like 65-70ish right now and got room for a couple more guys. And so it was way more open to more tight ends this year, which I'm excited about. But yeah, it's kind of where the dream started. It was just trying to get tight ends around each other. So we learn a little bit about each other. Do they call holding a tight end you? I don't, I've never seen a tight end hold. Yeah, motherfucker I've seen.
Starting point is 00:17:57 The thing about you is your hands are always inside. So how could you be holding technically? This is what makes you great as a blocker. You know this, but I don't think a lot of defensive ends get it because they always take their hands off you. Like, do not take your hands off George Kittle. His hands are not leaving your chest plate. So I think that that's where I want to start.
Starting point is 00:18:19 with you when it comes to tight end technique because I think you know like nowadays in the NFL like it is a very offensive game it's more finesse and there's a lot of guys who aren't as interested in blocking you've always blocked your ass off like where does that come from is that just an Iowa
Starting point is 00:18:35 thing and and do you think the the blocking tight end as it were when we were growing up is a dead deal dude like are they're blocking tight ends anymore oh okay so I love blocking So in like my first week at University of Iowa, I was like a hundred and ninety five pounds never I put I played tight in twice in my entire
Starting point is 00:18:57 Time spent of high school and they were both past plays So I had no idea what I was doing and one of the coaches there said hey if you don't learn how to the run block You'll never play here and from the amount of like blocks drills and nine on seven drills and run plays that you do at the University of Iowa Over the course of spring ball in five years You either love it or you're gonna hate your life every single day. So I just chose that I really enjoy it and then one of the reason I really like it though is I really like it though is I I want to be able to impact the football game on every single play. Like that's why I love tight end because I can have an impact on every single play. It's one of the own position where you can't have an impact,
Starting point is 00:19:28 whether it's pass pro where they're going to run a route, score cool touchdown, run block, run power, gaps being right down to a far, a six eye, excuse my language. Yeah. Like there's just so many intricacies to play in a titan position. So I just want to be able to impact the play in a positive way because my dad told me at a young age that the eye in the sky doesn't lie and your reputation is built on what your, your colleagues and what other coaches, you know, watch on tape. You know, the media and the numbers and all that stuff is cool.
Starting point is 00:19:56 But like when people watch your tape and like that guy gives 100% effort on every single play, it doesn't matter if he's backside, front side, running around or he's a decoy. I want to be known for that guy because I think that's the way you're supposed to play football. Now when it comes to run blocking only tight ends, my very first year in the league, I was with Logan Paulson. I wouldn't say he's just in the run blocking tight end, but he played with the Rossian, Washington Redskins. I remember Logan.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Yeah. And every six I remembers Logan. Oh, yeah. Logan's a man. I learned so much from him, my rookie season, from like how to block linebackers at the second level. He has a very interesting take on things. And he's actually pretty sure coming in tight in you this year,
Starting point is 00:20:31 which I'm pretty, I'm pumped about to see him again. But you also got Luke stocker. I don't know if you remember Luke. I love Luke. I train with him in Nashville all the time. Great dad. He's our dad strength member.
Starting point is 00:20:42 He's the only dad in that old group. But like those are two guys that I know. But yeah, I don't think everyone's looking for like the flashing wide receiver tied in right now and guys that can run routes at a high level and you can do like you have five wide like you know a tight end we're running back three wide receivers and spread it all out and just run empty all the time like that's what NFL teams like these days so you know there's still teams I think do it but majority of teams are they want hybrid guys that can do I'd say like 70% 80% run routes 30 20% block do you remember algae crumpler yeah I remember
Starting point is 00:21:15 Do you remember Joe Kleinslaucer? I'm just throwing out... Yeah, talk about a blocking tight end-ass name there. Dude, like when I got in the league, those dinosaurs were still fucking around, dude, and like, 08, those guys were still like 295. I remember the first
Starting point is 00:21:31 preseason game I ever played. There was a 300 pound tight end for the San Diego Chargers. And I was like, damn, they still got these bad boys out here. So, yeah, like, I feel like they're going by the wayside. I think so much of it, as I mentioned, was like hand placement.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Obviously it's something that you're very intentional with. And I know as a defensive lineman, that was one thing that kept me in the league a long time, even when my body was breaking down, was my hands were good. And a lot of young guys, I feel like because of the new OTAs, and you never had two days, right?
Starting point is 00:22:01 No. So you're a rarity to be so good at the technical stuff, but not have all the reps on the field. So I'm wondering when you get these young guys out of college now, do is handwork a problem? And then like, say I'm a young tight end at TEU, or I'm in San Francisco and I roll up, my hands are all out over the place. And I'm trying to block people or I'm loading my hands before I shoot them.
Starting point is 00:22:24 What are you doing? Like if a guy's like George, what can I do to improve my hands? Like what are you giving those guys to do very specifically to improve that skill set? So in the run game for me, so I wait 242 pounds. Like I might be 245 on a game day, but majority of the time I'm like 240. Damn, dude. Body slamming those cats. at like 240.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Oh yeah, dude. And so for me, everything is explosiveness, power, and if I'm going to hit you before you hit me. And so, like, for me, my most important things is, like, I'm not grok. I can't be at 265, 270 and just go, hurt. And this murder guys. That's not my food. I have to be inside, but like the first thing I always think about is my first two steps.
Starting point is 00:23:07 You have to have a good first step and a great second step right through the crotch because that's where all your power comes from. And then if you can do that while also hitting an aiming point based on you know, whatever the play is, then your hands, that's what's going to win you the battle. So like the first two steps in your enemy point give you a chance to win. And then if you can get this and get control while driving your feet, you can block anybody. Like it's like, there are times that I miss and like, hey, being 2040 pounds, it sucks sometimes. But at the end of the day, like, if I can get into your chest and drive my feet before you get your feet into the ground,
Starting point is 00:23:37 I always feel like I can win. And like, there's no one that I really like, oh, damn, like I have to block this guy this play. This is like certain plays. There's nobody. I was going to ask you, is there anybody that you're like, damn, this dude, this dude is tough. So, like, everybody's tough. There's obviously guys that, like, hey, like,
Starting point is 00:23:53 I'm in, like, I'm on the ball, my hand in the dirt, and it's outside zone into a wide nine, and it's Eric Arnestead. I'm like, that's a tough one. I'm like, ah, like, Kyle call a different play. Like, I'm not in a position. Right? And, like, luckily, you know, Kyle's really good at that.
Starting point is 00:24:08 He's very good at him. Like, hey, so we do a, like, we do a lot of stuff where you put the Titan off the ball versus wide ninth tax. needs are outside linebackers so there's better leverage and you have a better ability to get your feet in the ground before you hit them. So we do stuff like to help the tightens out. But, yeah, I mean, like I would much rather, but like I'd much rather block a big guy than let's say Nick Bosa, who is a little bit shorter than me, always has fantastic leverage and always has great hands. Like, no, like one of my, one of my least favorite guys of block was,
Starting point is 00:24:38 I think Brandon Graham, right, with the Eagles? Oh, yeah. B.J. That leverage, leverage, make you miss. And he's really good at, you know, you're in a sit, he's in a six. And, you know, a lot of guys are like loaded up. Like, man, I got a, I got to hold my own against George Kittle or whoever it might be. But he's really good at taking that step inside on zone away and then allaying you and backdooring you. Yeah. I mean, he'll do it front side too. Yeah, he's, he's quick.
Starting point is 00:25:05 He's strong. But you notice guys, too, like, guys that have really heavy hands, you feel that. Guys that have big hands and then you put them on you and then you feel you go like this. It's been a long day. Like, I better bring it every play. Yeah, no question. I saw you go under. When you were demonstrating with your hands earlier,
Starting point is 00:25:23 you were like, if I get these hands on you and your hands were under. You know, and that's one thing that Lane was really good at it, right tackle. Lane was one of the best tackles I ever played against. And one of the reasons he was so good about it was his anchor was so good. His feet were so good, right? So I could never beat him in the corner at 33 in practice, that's for sure. I never got him on vitamin T. That could have been a different story.
Starting point is 00:25:44 then the anchor was there too because even though he wasn't a 340 pound guy he always he always punched with his fingertips up you know what i mean he always he always locked he he always had you underneath your hands and i don't know as blockers you guys think about that a lot i know what is the key to having that kind of like underneath punches that is there a word that you guys use at tight end university and and like illustrate to the people why that's so important um what for me like what i've learned about like because once you get if you whether it's a d n line backer or like the opposite of line and tight end once you get your hands like two hands on the chest plate you're based like you like you've won the leverage right you've won all that leverage
Starting point is 00:26:24 but when you get when for me like I like to be here because then I can lift up and because then once I lift you up and then all the leverage is gone and you're no longer bent down in an athletic position yeah you can't move and then if I'm lower than you I can pick you up and then try to kill you and that's like could you get here and you lift a little bit then your toes touch your guy a little bit and like you have less drive then it's an easy these are blocker me. Like, man, that's like, you don't get there all the time. Like, that's really, really hard to get to. But if you can get there, especially on a big guy, like, you can slow them down so fast and you can move them way better because at the end of the
Starting point is 00:26:56 day, like, leverages almost everything. No question. It's funny you said that earlier about rather blocking a bigger guy than a smaller guy like Nick Bosa. And I was going to say, of anybody that you probably, it's funny that you call Nick Bosa relatively smaller because he's a fucking, like, he's an Adonist. dude he's shaped like two triangles and they meet in the middle the points meet in the middle his hips are like this big but the fucking guy dude like i can imagine you guys in practice some absolute battles what i was gonna say is i always preferred like i loved it when a 320 pound tackle came over and i was in a six and we'd go somebody would go tackle over oh i know right where the fight is you know and i know right where i can put my hands but like guys like you were a little bit more slender and have great technique and making great hands and a real sticky. There was a guy for the Steelers. You remember, Spath?
Starting point is 00:27:50 Yeah. He was a big, tall, heavy-handed tight end. He was one of the rare, really tall guys who were also really sticky. He would hold, you know, like some of you all do. But I couldn't call it holding because the hands were inside and he wouldn't let go. So it's just so funny how all the different body types, it's really about matchups on the edge more than, you know what I mean? It's more about the matchup of the guy across from you. then how strong he is or that type of thing.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Talk to me about some of the guys, dude, that you have at Titein' you, that people might not, like, Gasekki's a guy that he's coming, right? Yeah, my, sir. Gasecki's a guy that, that, like, is getting some attention, but I would still argue he's a little bit underrated because of where he's played and that sort of thing. Conklin's underrated. Like, tell me, give me a couple of these guys
Starting point is 00:28:37 that people might not know his household names and what you like about them. off the top of my head Ian Thomas tied in from the Carolina Carolina Panthers We watched a ton of his tape Last year prepared for Minnesota Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:52 Because he had a pretty good game against them But he's a guy that In the run game Just tries to kill people every play Like as soon as he gets his hands on you Like there's multiple times Where he's just driving linebackers And defensive ends into piles
Starting point is 00:29:06 Yeah And I love it That's fun It's fun It's fun It's fun to see on tape. I like guys that pop off on the silent tape. I would say Ian Thomas, you said, Giseki.
Starting point is 00:29:18 And, hey, Giuseki has a great chance, too, because he's got my tight end coach for the last five years. He left him with Miami. So I was going to ask you about that. McDaniels, like, people are at, I'm not being, I'm not belittling the guy, but people are acting like he invented the run game. And so what I'm wondering is like,
Starting point is 00:29:32 what is, what is it about Mike McDaniels that's making, before we get back to the tight ends for a second. I take a two minute break off tight ends. because you brought him up. Why is Mike McDaniel so fucking exciting for Miami? And like, why is he going to change the tide down there? What is a run game coordinator for people don't think that way? Why is Mike going to change the tide?
Starting point is 00:29:53 One, I think being in a system, especially he's been of Kyle for like, I want to say, eight years, something like that, seven years. And so he's been a part, he was with Atlanta when they went to the Super Bowl. So he's been a part of like two pretty good teams. And he went from the Niners when we were starting season, his first year coach. And Eric Kyle was we started 0 and 9. finish six and not six and ten i think next year we went four and 12 and then super bowl and so like so like he's been a part of bad teams that have gotten good and so like he knows with that he kind
Starting point is 00:30:22 of knows what that looks like i think he's a very honest guy he's not going to BS with guys um but i think the people like you say he's the run like the run game coordinator um and it's what he does he just focuses on the run game when it comes to game planning for opposing teams and i just think he's incredibly creative like i remember we played the carolina panthers in 2019 I think we were 5 in 0, 4 and 0 and they were like 4 and 1 and they came in and we were at, we like did all these new plays with all these, we call like deltas and like wide receivers running behind like as we're saying hikes. It kind of looks like it sucks. It does suck. Slows us down. It slows us down on the edge because we can see it. Well, yeah, because then you're like, is it a jet sweep or if we let it go, then you guys have to change your strength of a formation because now it's instead of a two by two now it's a three by one. And he really started doing that stuff before really anybody had like done it a lot. I'm talking. I'm talking. I'm talking. I'm talking. I'm when we played the Panthers, nothing against them, but their line, like, their guys were just running in all sorts of directions while our running back would take the ball for 60 yards down the middle of the watch. Like, I remember there was a play, one of their D tackles came through
Starting point is 00:31:22 the line of scrimmage on block because we had an MA, and there were two crossers and the running back, and he chased one of the crossers who didn't have the football out of the way. Somebody thought it was a trap, an exotic trap. He had no idea. He thought he was about to make the play and our running back went like 45 yards for a touchdown. And so, so like, And then when you have guys like we have a one blocking oriented opposite line. Like we have big strong tackles, thick guard, a smart center, then tightens that block. And I mean, honestly, the run game really only works when your wide receiver is going to block. So if you have two guys on the edge that want to block and then you throw in Kyle Ustack.
Starting point is 00:31:55 So I think he had a lot of pieces that fit his chessboard really well. And so I'm excited to see what his creativeness is down in Miami because it's going to be different, but he's got so many different types of weapons from Tyreek, Jaseki. I know I think they Waddle like Like they've got weapons And they also got a quarterback That can move a little bit
Starting point is 00:32:15 So I'm excited to see what they do Because I know it's going to be similar But it's going to be different Now hey let's go back to tight end That's going to be a yakdery down there in Miami Right There's going to be a lot of yak down there There's a lot of speed
Starting point is 00:32:27 A lot of speed dude A lot of speed And before we get back to your tight ends Because I see my buddy Dallas Goddard's going to be there Is that right? Yeah that's my next guy I was going to bring up Dallas I love Dallas
Starting point is 00:32:38 Got her, one of the best tight ends of the game. Because he can block, he plays hard. He's got a little shit to him like you. Like, he's a competitor. But anyways, I think the yachtery, I think it's going to be great. My question about Mike McDaniels down there was, and for you offensive guys, if somebody sucks in the run game up front, like, how's that conversation go on Monday morning when y'all get it like,
Starting point is 00:32:57 this is the fish? Because, like, well, we'll say, as pass rushers is, we can't wait to find that one guy who can't protect, right? And then people are, like, arguing over, you know, who gets line up over them. we're running games based upon who's two struggles up front of as a guard or whatever. What do you guys do when you find that fish on a defensive line?
Starting point is 00:33:16 Well, most of our stuff, right? Like with the run game, like outside zone, right? You want to get the out. So like let's say, Chris Long is lined up at the end. I need to get him out. If I get you outside the numbers, I win. Numbers, yeah. I win. I get you outside the numbers. Because if
Starting point is 00:33:31 I get you outside the numbers, then Fletcher Cox has to run from the hash all way to the numbers. And he's not doing that four times in the run. Right. He doesn't want to. Yeah. There's no chance he wants to. He's a big dude. He wants to play in between the, like in between the tackles, the guards and just kill people. But when you start making all those detackles run, run, being a little bit tired. And then you throw in like maybe a trap or something like that. And that's what we attack a lot. And like, those are game plans that I've seen. But like, at the end of the day, I'm just, I'm trying to,
Starting point is 00:34:00 as long as I get and do my job and get you outside the numbers, then usually our run game just takes care of itself. No question. What do you like about Dallas Goddard? Back to that. Dallas, besides just being an absolutely chill dude, I love him now. He's so chill, dude. He's so chill, dude. He's funny, too, but, like, I met him last year at Tideon U. Like, that was like the first time I actually, like, met him. Yeah. I got to hang out with him a little bit. But he, um, we're at top golf, you know, one of the nights after Tideon you. And he's sitting there in like jeans on a long sleeve hoodie. It's June. It's hot and human and Nashville. He's in a full sweat. And he probably took a 75 to 100
Starting point is 00:34:36 swings with a driver just trying to hit it over the net every time. Just straight entertainment. He's like he's got a weird competitiveness to him. Like he just wants to have a good time, but he's also competitive. But it's just like I said,
Starting point is 00:34:48 I like guys who you can see their energy and stuff off of tape. And like that's a guy you can see him. Like his tape jumps out of it. And you're like, he knows what he's doing. He's a good football player and he's giving great effort.
Starting point is 00:34:58 And like those are guys that I like to watch. But like so, yeah, him, Jesse Goddard, I think Goddard's going to have a great year. I really did. Especially because they added AJ Brown, right? So they got two really good wide receivers. And then you're going to throw in him right in the middle. And he can just kind of live in that whole middle area.
Starting point is 00:35:15 I mean, that's going to. And he runs good routes too. I mean, he got to play with Ertz and learn a lot from Ertz just to see how he moves. So like he's like, yeah. Ertz always finds that spot, dude. Oh, he's, like, Ertz knows a defense. So like the route might not be like what it looks like, how he runs it. But he ends up in the spot you're supposed to end up at the round.
Starting point is 00:35:34 time and like that's what Kelsey's so good at too. He just ends up in a spot you have to end up. You're exactly right, dude. Hey, and by the way, you were at the basketball game the other day with one of my good friends, Suddy. I saw on your IG. You were on that thing. So I felt so, but I had a Golden State Warriors question because Draymond Green was a tight end at Michigan State. Did you know that? I did. Have you guys talked about tight end technique? You and him? No, I talked shit to him about it. I said, I saw your film and it was atrocious. I'm really happy that you found something that you're really good at. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:36:06 And I'm pretty sure he told me to F off and then we laughed about it. And I was like, dude, you're really tall. He's going to be a very rich man. Well, he already is. But when he finishes playing, he's going to be amazing on TV. But my question was, you know, every time, for a long period of time, there was like every basketball player that couldn't shoot or whatever, they were like, oh, let's put this guy a tight end, which seemed kind of silly to me.
Starting point is 00:36:29 but the one that seems to be everybody's favorite, like this would work, is LeBron James. Give me, like, how would LeBron James play tight end, do you think? See, you know, the second you get, like, over 6-6, I think you're screwed at football. Like, I think LeBron should put on, I think LeBron should put on 40, 50 pounds, get the 290,300, and play right tackle.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Exactly. Okay, so this isn't sexy. He would kill you. people. This is what people don't understand is like that's nothing against tight ends, but if you want a big athletic basketball player who's 6, 6, 6, 6, 7 are coming and make some bread in the NFL, put him in tackle. Yeah, they can carry it.
Starting point is 00:37:12 I used to talk to Martellis Bennett about this. Marty is a piece of work, but he used to be like, C-Long, before they fucking fire me, I'm going to go play tackle in the NFL. Before they run me out of here, I'm going to put on 20 pounds because that's all it took for Martellis. He's a big joker. now I'm going to be kick stepping.
Starting point is 00:37:31 So do you think that that's a thing that we will see any tight end with a bigger build ever do in the NFL? And if so, are there any guys now that you think at the end of their career could pack on a couple and play tackle? Honestly, I think Travis could do it if he had, let's have Jason teach him how to do it.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Eat a couple of chicken, you know, just eat some fried food, get up to a little, get it up to like 290. That's all. You just got to eat some chicken. Dude,
Starting point is 00:37:59 you just got to eat. That's all we do on front. We just eat some chicken. And then, that'll be fine. But like, he's got quick feet, though.
Starting point is 00:38:05 He's got good hands. Like, he could do it. But like, like, like you, you have to be, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:38:10 I think I'd tackle, but like you, you bring a LeBron and how tall is he? Six, nine, six, ten, isn't he? No, is he six eight.
Starting point is 00:38:16 He's six eight, right? Which means he might not be all of six eight, but I don't, they don't need to lie about his fucking height. Go ahead. Well, like, let's just say, LeBron runs across your round.
Starting point is 00:38:23 and Buda Baker comes down and that's a lot of target area where his knees are. Yeah, that is. Like you can only take so many of those hits. And so, like, you don't want to be that tall. Like that, yeah, sure, red zone threat, line them up on the side, throw a fade, like great play.
Starting point is 00:38:42 But like when you're that tall, it's hard to have leverage. It's hard to be physical. Every single play, like you're, it's just difficult. I hate the fade down there, dude. Whenever somebody runs a fade in the corner, like on first down or something from, the forum like get some be creative i mean there's never do something works to play football yeah let's play
Starting point is 00:39:00 some football right exactly but this is funny because this is the least political i've ever seen the lebron football answer be usually people are like yeah no question but yeah lebron could do it but you bring up some really good points he should put on some pounds and be the next like trent williams or somebody yeah i think i think lebron would dot give you like there's certain offenses like put him in like a past heavy offense and just like put him with the bills put put him at left tackle. I think LeBron would kick ass. I do.
Starting point is 00:39:27 I really do. I think you do. Like, don't run the ball. Like, they don't run the ball a lot. Most or like, do what Andrew Whitworth did with the RAND.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Like last two, three years of his career. Wouldn't have to practice either. Let Whitworth tell it. Motherfucker never practiced. LeBron, get up to 290, 300.
Starting point is 00:39:43 You got it. You got it. McVeigh won't even make you practice. I don't know about the guy in, uh, in Buffalo. He seems like guy doesn't give you any practices off. He's a little bit more of a pass.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I know, but like, dude, I watched a game. We're watching Bill's tape. We're playing, I think it was Jacksonville because they lost against Jackson in this past year. And I think their first, I couldn't watch your tape because their first ball plays are passes. We throw the ball 15 times a game. Like, I don't need this. Like, you threw the ball more in the first quarter that I'm going to get in the entire game. You're damn right. So Kelsey's an interesting one because you brought him up earlier.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Yeah. You had comments about how much people get paid. Is this like kind of a thing where linebackers want to be defensive ends or like, what do you think the problem is with the way they pay tight ends? Do you think they should classify it completely differently or that the top end stars should make more? Because you guys are. I would make this argument like,
Starting point is 00:40:33 I'm a defensive end, so I'm pretty biased, but you affect some of the highest paid players on the field, us, like by chipping us, by blocking us, by taking us out of our game, and then you're now regularly 800,000 yard receivers. So how do we classify
Starting point is 00:40:50 tight ends and how do we pay? If George Kittle was commissioner, like, how do tight ends get paid? Well, I would give tight ends a blank check, but that's just me. I know I would. I know, like, I think guys should be paid based off of how they contribute to the team or, like, you want to compare them to other people, right? Yeah. Okay, well, and like, Kelsey came out and say, you know, it's not about the money.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Like, he's just, he's trying to win. It's his legacy. And I totally agree with that. At the same time, like, I want guys that are coming up that are going to be getting paid. Like, I think they deserve money. And so I was like, Kelsey, who's had, he has a most recent. achieving yards in the last six years. And he's making less than half of what some of the other guys in that list are making.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And so that to me is just like, I don't feel like that's a fair. Like I don't think that's fair. And then he throw in like whether it's like a run blocking tight ends and also catch the ball. Like you got me, you got Goddard. Like the dude was Hawkinson. I was going to be up for a contract here soon. So like I'm hoping that he gets like 1617. Hawkinson's a beast, dude.
Starting point is 00:41:47 He's a monster. And then like, hey, dude, Tunyon's one year. Like he's one more 10 touchdown. year away from getting paid 15. Like he's got one of those underers. Like he's got one of those on him. Like he's ready to roll. But like,
Starting point is 00:41:58 I don't know. I feel like you have to get paid like comparatively. And like when you're the leading receiver of the NFL for six years, I feel like you deserve to get paid a little bit more than that. And not to mention you're also a little yactory. Like my dog is constantly, he's got the best quarterback, right? He's got one of the best quarterbacks in the league, if not the best.
Starting point is 00:42:18 But he's constantly creating extra. on top of being in a great offense with a great quarterback. Like he's still after he catches the football regularly creasing folks for like 30 yards. So he's creating. He's not just being the beneficiary of a passing offense. And so are you. And so are you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:37 But I'll do my own horny a little bit. But like in 2018, I led the NFL at YAC. That was the first time of Titan never done that. And so it's just like if you're affecting the game like Chris McCaffrey or like Devante Adams, I feel like you should get paid like that. I think, and especially like, I just think Travis's consistency with it is what is key as well. But you make a good point, though, because if Travis doesn't get paid because Travis is like, man, I'm unselfish. I'm this mensch and we're trying to win Super Bowls here.
Starting point is 00:43:03 And I get that and respect it. But then the younger guys are like, damn, reset this market for us real quick. Like, I wonder who is Hawkinson going to be the guy that kind of resets that market? Like you say he's up in a year? Is he up in a year? You said, he's got a, you got a fifth, you got this year and a fifth year option. So he's like, so he could renegotiate after this year. Who's going to be that guy, that Christian Kirk next year, that just totally fucking resets the market.
Starting point is 00:43:28 And all the tight ends are looking at their tight end coaches like, yo. I would do. I mean, Waller. Waller. Now that dude, he's got, he's got Renfro. He's got Devante Adams. Yeah. He's got Josh Jacobs at running back, who's I think is a really good running back.
Starting point is 00:43:43 But then you got like, I mean, he's going to get a lot of love because you can't, you're going to, like, you have to double team Devante Adams. You have to. He'll kill you. Like there's how many corners can guard him one-on-one, a handful maybe? Yeah. One. Then you got Renfro who's just going to completely cook the nickel every single time. And so who you put on Darren Waller?
Starting point is 00:44:01 A linebacker? How many linebacks can run four-four speed? Pray. It's like, just like four of them. You just pray. Yeah. I mean, like, hey, I'm confident. Like, I got Fred Warner.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Like, I'm excited. Like, that's going to be a great match. I can't wait to watch it. But like, not every team has a Fred Warner, Darius, Leonard. Bobby Wagner. But like Bobby doesn't want to like Bobby I don't know if Bobby wants to run and guard a four four linebacker. I don't think anybody really is like yeah, that's what I'm excited to do today at work. You know what I mean? Like you were willing to do it. How about when they drafted that kid in Arizona and it kind of felt like they were drafting because of you, the kid from
Starting point is 00:44:38 Clemson? After the, I think it was after the 2019, after the 2019 season, like I'm pretty sure the Rams, the Seahawks and the Cardinals all drafted linebackers or safetys in the first. that's kind of sick you're not sitting like you know like you're you're so good at what you do that like you know even when i was pretty fucking good i watched the draft and i was nervous they were going to draft somebody take my spot you're just like who are they drafting on the other teams because they're worried about me that's fucking sick uh it's cool it's cool so last tight end question here pro bowl right no we're almost done with tight end stuff i'm at 30 minutes of tight end dude so i'm fucking this is it got to be some sort of a record can i be like a dummy at tight end
Starting point is 00:45:19 you one year all expenses paid for this bullshit. I mean, I've talked about tight ends now for 31 minutes. All right, I will I'll let you come on one condition. That I have to be in a six technique? Oh, if you give me a six technique, you know what that, you know that's called in our offense? What? To which the motherfucker would look. I know.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Believe me. Hey, give me a six tech. You know the last give me six decks? We rushed for like 290 yards. Oh, I know. I know because I watched the game. Let me guess what game it was. It was Minnesota. Okay, like, bro, I'm sitting there at home as a guy who played six for like many years of my career.
Starting point is 00:45:56 It's the worst alignment there is in football. I said to myself, and I respect Everson Griffin and all these guys, but you were humiliating cats. And I was just like, damn, dude, they're not going to get them out of this look. And is the six tech not going to do something different the next play? He's just riding public transportation. He was. The bus says Kittle on the side. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:46:21 It was so much fun, dude. Like, they were out there in six techniques. The reason, like, that was inspired that game, too, because I had a friend who told me that they're, I was told by somebody, no one connect any dots here. But, like, their D-line coach was disrespecting our tight end room. I'm saying, like, they're not that good at what they do.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Like, we're going to eat these guys. Yeah. And then I'm pretty sure it was either Lynch or, like, our team president said that he was walking out on the field, and their defensive line was talking, after our fans and like we're going to own you guys like shut up shut the hell up you guys suck and all this stuff and I was like
Starting point is 00:46:55 the disrespect right now that's why you watch tape we wouldn't have been saying anything like that we would have just we would have just trying to put you over a pile but it would have been a long day's work for us dude like it's on the tape like don't lie yeah it's right there you can see it like it's not fake it's not like
Starting point is 00:47:11 it was one game like we were running up and down the field on every team that we played for 17 games I know and it was like plug and play whoever wants the ball under center or running back you're going to do about a century today um yeah it's amazing so the pro bowl right tight ends tight ends they've gone MVP the last three years at the pro bowl is that correct cowboy read back there three of the last 10 years okay totally different stat you talk to my stats and information department but needless to say it feels like you guys might be
Starting point is 00:47:41 try-hards you're going to the pro bowl you're dumping people at the pro bowl who's the last team who's the last guy to win who is the last guy guy guy guys who was the last guy? All I'm saying is I'm seeing the way they're playing that game now. Are you guys out there? Are you out there at the Pro Bowl? What was your tape? Don't watch my tape at the Proble, man. I am at 32% speed. Delaney Walker won the last MVP. Delaney is an absolute animal and he deserves him beat. Dog, Delaney used to be the move guy in San Francisco when I played in L.A. or in St. Louis, excuse me.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Jesus. Yeah, relax, old guy. Well, yeah, exactly. And the fans in St. Louis don't really like the L.A. thing. Yeah, they had Alex Boone, Anthony Davis. They had Goodwin maybe at center. They had another huge guard, Joe Staley, Delaney Walker, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore. Like, the inside run drills that they were having in San Francisco back then had to be like human sacrifices, dude. Yeah, that's what I saw when I first got there, Garrett Selick, you know, Brent.
Starting point is 00:48:46 Yeah, I party with Garrett because it through Brent. Yeah, geez, cool. He was one of my favorite people. He just had a kid first time. So congrats, him to be a bad. But he always told me stories because he was like young. And he was like,
Starting point is 00:48:57 yeah, so my first year I was in a room with Delaney Walker and Vernon Davis. I was like, I'm not making the team. Yeah, they were stuck. He goes, it was murder.
Starting point is 00:49:06 He goes, as soon as either one of them put their hands on, that you couldn't do anything. And like, dude, you would see Delaney Walker was Alden Smith or. Oh, yeah. Justin Smith, Alden Smith,
Starting point is 00:49:16 Amad Brooks. Justin Smith is scary. Justin Smith, bro. Anybody who has a tiny Anheiser-Busch tattoo that looks like you got it out of the thing outside the supermarket and just is like, fuck it, I'll put it here. I don't care how old you were when you got that tattoo. I'm frightened of you, bro.
Starting point is 00:49:33 You're different, bro. He's different, bro. He is different. So L.A. and San Francisco, I love the rivalry, dude. I mean, I don't know how much you hate them. We hated the Niners, bro. we hated them. They hated us. They went to the playoffs at the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:49:50 but we made sure to beat them twice and be like, we're making you better, we'll watch from home. You guys are both in the playoffs. You guys are fucking playing each other what feels like five times a year. We played San Francisco one year.
Starting point is 00:50:02 We tied them in San Francisco and played them in overtime at home, dude. And it was your kind of shit. It was tackle over. It was all that stuff. How physical are those games now and how tightly contested are they?
Starting point is 00:50:14 I'm going into the playoffs. as a fan and I'm like, man, if I'm San Francisco, I don't know if I want to have beaten these guys twice in a row because it's hard to beat somebody three times in a row. Are you feeling any of that? What's that rivalry like? Well, we had to beat him the second time. Otherwise, we didn't make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:50:27 So that was a must. You got to lose the first one. Lose the first one. If we would have lost the first one, we would have been three and six or three and seven. That would not have been good. That's not good. You had to win that one too.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Those are teams, like, we have to beat the ramp. And because, I mean, like, rivalry games, they didn't really hit me until, like, my third or fourth year in the league. And I was like, I kind of get why people start to hate each other because you see each other twice a year. And then that's why you get compared against is your division. And so, um, not like, I have no issue with any of the Rams players. Like, I mean, it is what it is. It's football. But like, once I get in between, like outside of the field, like, I'm a huge fan.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Like, I don't, I'll be nice to everybody. But once you, like, I get in between the lines, like, I'm going to try to bury you into the dirt. Yeah. That's the way it should be. And older guys, they were like, you don't even talk to it. You can't talk to each other. You can't be caught. I'm like, fuck that, dude.
Starting point is 00:51:23 I've had dinner with my brother the night before we played each other. I know it's my brother, but like I'd go by and see people before the game on the field and whatnot. If George Kittles doing it, it's okay, dude, because George Kettle is trying to kill people, dude. I do. I do. I do it. Well, like, hey, I was at WrestleMania. And Leonard Floyd was just chilling there.
Starting point is 00:51:41 He had his, he is, he was the W. W.R. He has, he has, W. and stuff. Very nice guy. Like I had, we headbut each other 20 times a game minimum three times a year. And so it's just like, say, hey, what's up, man? He goes, nah, what's up, man?
Starting point is 00:51:54 You super wrestling? Yeah, let's have a good time. Like, that is what it is. I mean, like, hey, I love football. I put my life, like, I put everything out there every single time I play. But like, I can flip the switch off. Yeah, it's all about flipping the switch or else we'd all run around being assholes everywhere we went.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Like, that's what happens when you can't flip the switch. Hey, George, I want to finish with this. I know you like wrestling. You just brought it up organically. I'm going to name a couple tight ends here, some of the goats of our era, and you tell me who you think they are in wrestling. They can be NWO guys.
Starting point is 00:52:27 They can be WWF guys. They can be WWE. I'll start with you. I think you're Stone Cold. I know you're a rock fan. Yeah, no, I'm Stone Cold. But I love Stone Cold, bro. I just, I think he's, and I saw you got to meet him, too.
Starting point is 00:52:40 He was cool. Bro. He's a cool. He is such a kind human being. He was so cool. I also says, The Undertaker is one of the nicest people I've ever talked to. Like,
Starting point is 00:52:48 I felt like I was offending him by not being nice enough. Like, he was so kind. Introduced himself to my wife, my dad, my two friends. I had to talk to us for 20 minutes. Stone Cold did the same. Like,
Starting point is 00:52:59 they're just incredible people. And you're stone cold in your head. Do you think you're like the most like Stone Cold? I channel a lot of Stone Cold's energy. Yeah. I love that, dude. Keep channeling it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Give me Greg Olson's comp. Greg Olson. Wow. That's not on the list of you texting me. Just saying, yeah, no, I know. I didn't text you this. But I was going to say Mr. Perfect, but Mr. Perfect was a heel. And Greg can't be a heel. He's too nice. Greg's like the greatest person ever. I used to sleep on Greg's couch in college because his brother, Chris, was on my team.
Starting point is 00:53:31 We used to go down to South Beach. One time I got really drunk and peed on Greg's couch. So if you're listening, I'm sorry, Greg. That was me. Then Greg. Yeah. Well, you know, Greg's got dad stress. too. You know, I'm just going to say, like, I think that, I want to say, like, he's not flashy enough, but he does have, like, the, when you watch him play, like, I feel like he did
Starting point is 00:53:53 have a swagger like Rick Flair. Rick Flair, but then, but then Kelsey, who is Kelsey? Because Kelsey, to me, is, I mean, he's Rick Flair all the way. Kelsey, to me, could be the heartbreak kid. Ooh. John Michaels. Nice. Okay. Well, that would make room for Rick Flair and, uh, and Greg. Olson but Greg Olson is so understated with it he's a family man you know Rick Flair was just he was doing all the you know what though he was just more of his persona and also Rick Fla you don't have multiple kids that's good okay and then the other guy the other guy gave you was gronk but with gronk he can actually just be gronk right
Starting point is 00:54:32 he could be because he's technically been in the w.b but i was going to give him macho man oh oh yeah brother yeah brother yeah you go that i mean you could even give Ultimate Warrior. Either one, that's just Gronks five. I just combined them and I think you stacked them on top of each other and it's Grunk. I think so too. I think Gronk's great and the promos that makes sense because both of them had great promos.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Is there anybody else in today's game that who else did I mention on that text? Was there anybody G? You said Ertz and Tony Gunn-Balls. Okay. Give me Ertz bro. Give me Zach Ertz. This is a tough one. He's kind of a pretty motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is Randy Orton a finesse guy? I love Randy Orton. So Randy Orton's cool guy. I never met him, but I could tell he was cool. I used to go to his chiropractor. Just hear me out. We could give Greg Olson Randy Orton because he's a dad. He's a family figure. He's kind of quiet. But he also is lethal.
Starting point is 00:55:30 That's a good one, dude. Yes. Yeah, there we go. That's a great. That's a great find by you. Now, okay, you got to help me. Zach Ertz. All right. Pretty. He's finessey. but he does get his hands dirty. He knows where the soft spots are. So, like, maybe a guy with a finishing move that's, like, really specific. Oh. You know, like, right to the, I don't watch these days.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I'm totally like, I did go recently, and you know who I really liked? McIntyre. Yeah, Drew? Fuck, yeah, dude. My dad loves him. I asked, he took a photo with my dad at WrestleMania. He absolutely loved it. Great minds, dude.
Starting point is 00:56:07 McIntyre is my favorite wrestler now. That's sore? Are you kidding me? Then he got his ass kicked by the big. the big hero that played at Georgia Tech. What the fuck is that guy's name? Who's the main dude right now, the most popular guy? Roman Raines.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Roman Raines. Roman Rames just whooped his ass and then was really gracious about it afterwards. Really classy guy. Bad guy. You don't like Roman Rains, huh? No, I do like Roman. Roman's a Niners fan too, so I do like Rome. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:36 It's crazy. He's one of the only guys I haven't met yet, and he's a Niners fan. Yeah. So that's tough for me. you know what? I could give, you know, if Zach was still on the Eagles, I would put him and Goddard as the Uso brothers.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Ooh, the Uso brothers were fighting at the, they were wrestling at the one we went to. So that works pretty good, the Uso brothers. I'm going to give, or I'll give that or I'll give Erds like one of the Hardy Boys. Okay, the Hardy Boys. That's a little bit more of a stretch for me, having spent some time with,
Starting point is 00:57:05 with Erds day to day. But, man, this is good, man. We got some wrestling in. We got a lot of tight ends in. I have to you one more thing in there, Chris. Go, yeah. Tide in you, presented by Charmin, because Charmin loves their tight ends. Dude, and here's the deal. It took me till right before the interview to realize that that was a butthole thing.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Is it? Well, you know, Charmin does have our backside, just like your pair of Levi's jeans. Got to cover up those tight ends. Oh, my God. Look at this guy. And guess what else? You know, you got to have good tires for all your cars out there. That's where we have Bridgetone.
Starting point is 00:57:37 And then, you know, at the end of the day, you might as well enjoy yourself with a nice, refreshing, crispy bud latte. Oh, no, no, no. This is a Coors Light podcast, Big Boy. Oh, but Light. Bird Light, Corlite. Hey, man. You got choices, man. Just like tight ends. You have choices.
Starting point is 00:57:54 There's plenty of them to choose from. You can pick anyone. My favorite is George Kittle, dude, because he blocks. And he's the one guy. I'm kind of curious about going to tight end you and getting a six technique and just seeing if George will just body slam me, bro, for old time's sake, dude. Just like back in the day. All right. George, I appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thanks for the time. Tell your pops
Starting point is 00:58:14 I said what's up too. I will. Chris, I appreciate you. That was fun. If you're here in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, or right here in Virginia, and you haven't tried the WinBet app yet, I have great news for you. WinBet is now offering $200 and free bets for new users. That's right, $200, 200 big ones on a $50 bet. is basically giving you free money. Don't turn that down. Don't pass that up. Download the Winbet app today. Terms and conditions apply.
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Starting point is 00:59:20 There are going to be some heavy spoilers in this upcoming segment. Chris, Matt, and Cowboy Reed saw the movie Wednesday night. They came back to the studio and just blurted out their thoughts and reactions to the film. This is green light after dark. This shit, hey, Reed, Kingston. We're here. It's 11.09 p.m. It's Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:59:46 We're trying to take Thursday off and have a long weekend. So we said, hey, fuck it. Let's go see Top Gun. And we don't even need to wake up in the morning and talk about it. We'll get right to it. Because the movie theater is right across the street. And when we left the movie, dudes started talking about the movie inevitably.
Starting point is 01:00:06 And I was like, fucking save it. We haven't talked about the movie in the entire 17-minute time span. it took to get from the theater to hear to turn the machines on and assemble as a as a group. We just said, hey. We just said, hey, whoa. Whoa. Just wait, dude. Hold your thoughts.
Starting point is 01:00:28 So here we are. The microphone is on. And I don't want to overreact when I say that was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen ever, ever, dude. That was awesome. And that was fun. That was really fun, read. That was really fun.
Starting point is 01:00:43 It was the second time I saw it and I still shed a tear towards the sentimental scene at the end the second time through. Which sentimental scene did you cry during? When he pushed him down? When he charged him in the woods and pushed them down? When they landed. Man, that felt kind of like a Coors-like commercial. That was like the only part of the movie. There was a little catharsis between a father and son type.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Yeah, it was a little bit heavy-handed. But everything else was like, including that. I mean, it's a fucking, it's a box office summertime. movie man it I felt 14 I felt 14 dude thank you for taking me to the movies read dad that that was that was fun was the first thing I said when we got out of that movie said you wanted to join the armed forces I said my god guys in the hallway outside I did not save it and I said I would like to join the armed forces after leaving that movie if I'm going in the armed forces I have to stop smoking marijuana there is no way yeah you would you would crash the plane on
Starting point is 01:01:41 that mission no way you not even like Like if I had smoked that morning that I do what what they were doing dude these guys are incredible is that what they I mean I know they're incredible anyways but like if there's dudes doing that shit out there which they're probably not if you're probably a fighter pilot you probably do like I do during like you know one of these football movies you're like god that it is I hope there's not fighter pilots out there doing that that shit was dangerous that was scary dog that was like video game shit yes that was video game shit yes that was video video game shit. I just want to say this about Tom Cruise. There's like he has not aged. Now I know he has in some of the later scenes they they they kind of took the filter off Tom a little bit to make them look a little more weathered, give him a little bit more perspective I feel like. But my man doesn't look that much different than he did in those movies. They kept showing the pictures and it was like it was like the same thing. Yeah, it was fucked up really. Yeah. It was fucked up because they had to get Jennifer Connolly.
Starting point is 01:02:42 Still hot. Yeah, he was still hot, but how old is she? 51. How old is Tom Cruise? 59. That's, yeah. Age appropriate. And the original Top Gun, his instructor was a good amount older than him, so it goes both
Starting point is 01:02:56 ways, I guess. All I know is later in the movie when they had sex, presumably, spoiler alert, it definitely didn't use protection. If you think about it, there were clues the entire movie. And the sequel is going to be their baby. becoming a top gun. And I just thought of that because they were riding first, they wrote on that fucking sailboat with no life jackets, right?
Starting point is 01:03:19 Then they were on the motorcycle two different times with no helmets. And in general, I think the helmet messaging was bad to Tom Cruise in this movie. But they were not using protection, dude. They were really risky. That would be my trilogy idea that I would pitch. What'd you think of, there's a football scene on the beach.
Starting point is 01:03:38 What do you think of Tom Cruise's arm? So me and Reed looked at each other during the movie, and I was like, are you laughing at what I'm laughing? His arms look mad short. In fact, I have a note that says, Tom Cruise's arms look mad short on the beach. I put in a note that he did the Mission Impossible run in that football when he caught the football.
Starting point is 01:03:55 He really did. And then he did the same Mission Impossible run in the forest. In the forest, yep. He was trucking in the forest. I kept kind of imagining him from the Mission Impossible movies where he used to be all serious and run. and because those are my latest memories of him. Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:12 And it was, it was weird watching, uh, watching him try to be Mav and knowing that I pictured him has the other guy. Yeah, that's true. Somewhere on YouTube, there's a montage of Tom Cruise running in like every different movie.
Starting point is 01:04:29 And it's like two hours long. You're trying to, you're trying to morph between the movies, but you're getting like glitches of the other movie. I'm getting glitches of both. and I don't want that I want I want Mav I want Mav the whole time and he he did it
Starting point is 01:04:43 you're getting like vanilla sky Tom yeah moments I uh you know Tom Cruise was also an incredible coach he was an incredible coach in this movie I mean I mean like when you when you walk in
Starting point is 01:04:58 I was like what is he going to say to these hot shot motherfuckers like what could you say to the hangman guy that's actually going to fuck it But he was like, what did he say? He said, I'm going to find your limits. Anytime a coach says he's going to find your limits, like buckle up. And I guess it's the same thing in Top Gun.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Buckle the fuck up. We're going to have you flying between pine trees and shit like that. Big spoiler, but I also wrote down that in the scene where he flies between the two planes, you saw him in the trailer. And it's like they're, the way they make it seem in the trailer is that, It's the students first introduction to Mab. And he's like, good morning pilots. At first, I wish you to have gone like that.
Starting point is 01:05:44 But the fact it went in the real movie, him flying below. And then they were like, where is he? And then he's like, good morning, pie. That was better. Dog, I thought the fighting and the jets and like the fighter jets. I thought all that stuff was great, huh? You know, how about the dog fights? You know?
Starting point is 01:06:05 How about those fucking dog fights read? Reid, that was some of the best, like, movie moments of my life. Sitting in that fucking movie next to Reed in Kingston, thinking, I'm doing this for work. I texted my wife earlier, and I'm watching dog fights at 11 p.m. I'm at work. But they were the best dog fights I've ever seen. You know, like a lot of sequels,
Starting point is 01:06:31 they get cheapen with the technology and, like, the improved cinematography and all that stuff. but this movie it it was like perfect you had to have a top gun inevitably with that type of i guess it wasn't cg i think a lot of it was real yeah it's funny that we didn't want to work tomorrow so we had to go to top guns today yeah right i was like babe i'm i'm putting in the hours right now i'm like let's sell you on me going to dog fighting scenes were unbelievable the one where you where they expanded wide and you see them flying all over the place with the missiles right on top of them that was you saw like 20 different flying objects i learned tonight that they shoot those things off behind them to knock the missiles off incredible players incredible distractor tube yeah i guess i didn't get that
Starting point is 01:07:16 in the first movie also learned after the movie that it's called top gun maverick when i was googling facts about the movie there was a lot of like illusions in the second movie back to the first movie that you might not have picked up on if you hadn't seen the movie five times on t and t like i had like the beach football scene is a call back to the beach volleyball scene and then pulling up on the motorcycle with a girl on his back yeah buddy was the uh the Porsche
Starting point is 01:07:43 a repeat scene I can't remember wasn't there a red car in the first one she was on a red car but it was gray now and this movie a lot of this movie was like messaging to the 60 somethings uh like it was like everything's cool man like you can still be top gun Tom Cruise although he's much better looking
Starting point is 01:08:01 and his age better since you saw the movie as a 32-year-old, you can still be Tom Cruise. When Tom Cruise was standing on the beach with Jennifer Connolly, new model, in his fucking crispy white, I'd just save the world suit.
Starting point is 01:08:23 65-year-old dudes were like, yeah, I'm still in it. And we need that. We need that hope. We need to sell hope, and that's what movies are about. And this movie made me feel hopeful. Yeah. I can't wait to tell my wife that I'm going to be in Top Gun,
Starting point is 01:08:38 that I'm going into the armed forces. I don't know if you meet all their policies, especially considering some of the activities we did before going to the movie. Well, I can also quit that pretty easily, dude. I told you, I was trying to imagine flying those canons. I was like, yeah, drug test the shit out of the people to fly these planes, man. All right? I don't care how not progressive that makes me sound.
Starting point is 01:09:01 drug test these motherfuckers. If you're flying in little canyons like that, I also love to like, since the plot didn't make a ton of sense, they just kept it really vague. They were like, yeah, we have to use these old planes because of radar. Oh yeah, yeah. And they also explain the plot in dialogue a lot. Yeah, exposition. Exposition. That's another one. But I was okay with it, dude. This was a masterful like time capsule 90s action movie. I mean, everything about it. There was even a part where shit hit the fan you know like like all the other old movies where it's like
Starting point is 01:09:36 it was a training no it was when home girl damn near hit the rocks yeah in the train yeah sorry sorry but in the meeting yeah when Brewster was like hey man I'm not gonna trust you and my dad
Starting point is 01:09:51 shouldn't trust you and Tom Cruise was like and then and then the dude walked in it was like Maverick and you knew it had to be Iceman and then Ice Man was dead. It was just like, bam, bam, dog. They cut Tom Cruise the day they buried Iceman.
Starting point is 01:10:12 They released him. I don't care what you've seen on Hard Knocks. It's nothing compared to what they did to Tom Cruise. Iceman wasn't in the ground but five minutes and they called him to the office. Is anybody a better Grim Reaper than John Hamm, though? He's a perfect asshole. Oh, John Hamm was such an asshole.
Starting point is 01:10:28 He couldn't even give him a fucking. Against my better judgment. He couldn't even give him a nod. You were even on my list. Yeah, dude. Come on, bro. Get over yourself. Now, John Ham's the man.
Starting point is 01:10:39 We're talking about the character of John Ham and the movie. Which he played wonderful. Which he played wonderfully. And we'd love to talk about it to him. We'd love to talk about it to John Hamm. On the Greenlight podcast. But John Ham's character was a huge asshole. After it all went down, he gave him like a little like baby nod.
Starting point is 01:10:56 Like, come on. He just saved the world. It's kind of like, when hangman and rooster shake hands at the end like hug each other man yeah there's people love there's people like partying saved your fucking life bro here's another one
Starting point is 01:11:12 and I never understand why it would be better if they didn't do this in movies when everybody's celebrating continually for three minutes at a time after something happens like that and the two people get together and they talk why are they able to talk like this right I know I know it would be better if they
Starting point is 01:11:29 yelled that dialogue. That was the problem you had with the realism of the movie that scene. How could they hear that? How could they hear each other? It was totally unrealistic. You're right. There was airplanes all over the place. There's no way they could hear each other. No, not just the airplanes. And everyone was yelling and pushing. Planes, planes, planes, planes. Yeah, pilots, pilots, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick. Missiles, missiles, missiles. And they always find each other. The people always find each other in the crowd. In real life, that doesn't happen. They just shake each other. And then the two people just, yeah, oh, here you are.
Starting point is 01:12:02 Let's talk about 40 years of trauma now. It's kind of like NFL coaches meeting after the game. Yeah, yeah. But those motherfuckers are yelling. And you know, the NBA players, they do this. What if? They cover the mouth. What if Maverick and Brewster were like,
Starting point is 01:12:17 yo, dog, like, I'll see you at the sandbar bar that I threw you out of last week. Yeah, the piano bar. That was ridiculous. bro. That was the one part of the movie that was a little unrealistic. I thought Miles did a great job. You guys were talking about how good a job hangman did. Yeah, the actor's name is Glenn Powell. He was like perfect dickhead. He's awesome. Perfect. A bit of redemption narrative. If you haven't seen everybody wants some, go out and see everybody wants him. He's amazing and everybody wants him is like a fifth year senior baseball player. Definitely the fifth year. Dude, he is a good, he's a really good actor. Here's one big deal.
Starting point is 01:12:59 that we could probably solve right here right now the shadowy enemy right yeah i took some notes guys okay here the notes mountains uranium yep that one mountains next to a beach pine trees also were in the in the frame where is this movie filmed if if that doesn't narrow it down for us where is the movie filmed we can look that up maybe that tells us something if it's filmed in america maybe this movie is actually kind of like Bruce Springsteen's born in the USA. Maybe you ever think about that? South Lake Tahoe, California, Naval Air
Starting point is 01:13:36 Station, Leymour, California, L.A., San Diego. We're attacking ourselves. No, we're not. It's a metaphor. It's all Lake Tahoe. It's a metaphor, dude. It's a metaphor. Everybody's wondering, who's the shadowy enemy?
Starting point is 01:13:51 By the way, they had some sick planes. God damn, dude. They did have some sick planes. I might have to, I might have to fifth generation. I might have to like, hey y'all come over there and fly with y'all they plucked him right out of star wars so they had like the black fax bro they were swagged out yeah they didn't they didn't want to say who the enemy was because they didn't want it to be geopolitical at all so they didn't show their faces so you couldn't like ascribe an ethnicity right but they don't realize that I was taking notes in mountains uranium
Starting point is 01:14:17 they said rogue state or rogue state yeah who can't who's a rogue state sexes Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. You know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the topography didn't fit, but also in deer hunter, they're up there above the, the tree line. Like, there's no trees growing, and they're in upstate New York. So, I mean, in movies, I mean to say, it doesn't matter what. I wasn't expecting to go to deer hunter, but have you ever watched that Russian roulette scene in deer hunter? Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Holy fuck, that's a rewatchable scene. Listen, there was a time for me, Matt, that my dad, it was a rainy day in Montana, and there were like 14 people there. He made you play Russian roulette? No, no, uh-uh. It was just football drills. I had to. But no, I'm joking.
Starting point is 01:15:11 Honestly, my dad loves movies, and he, you know, we had a bunch of people in town. It was raining, so everybody was trapped inside. And he was like, I got a good movie that everybody could watch. Let's try deer hunter. and we were like, yeah, you sure, he's like, promise you, man, like, Deer Hunter. He was like, you will love this movie, dude. You got to check out Deer Hunter. Oh, he's naming all the people in the movie.
Starting point is 01:15:35 I'm like, it sounds kind of dark, dad. And he's like, no, you're going to, I mean, it's a little dark, but it's a really good movie. So two and a half hours in, I don't think anybody's breath. This fucking guy, Christopher Walking, gets his fucking spaghetti, strewn all over the place. He's falling in slow motion. And I turned to my dad. I'm like, pretty fucking dark.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Huh? It's like, I guess I forgot how dark the movie was. So Deer Hunter for me is, I will never forget where I was when Deer Hunter came on. Top Gun much later. A feel good movie. Oh my God. But what do you think is the most memorable scene from this Top Gun that we just saw? Fuck, dude.
Starting point is 01:16:21 I don't know. Dude, I got it. It's when he runs the course. He gets fired. Then he's running the course. And he's like, oh, you bad. How do you get to do? And he's running the course.
Starting point is 01:16:30 And then when he drops the thing. Yes, dude. And then you think, like, because the last thing you see is him clicking away. And then it looks like the drop. And then it hits the thing. And you're like, fuck, was that the plane? Doesn't it go clunk? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:44 Oh, clunk, dude. That was so fucking sick, dude. That was a scene where I almost. had to like grab you on the shoulder man which would have been I don't there's like a may is that a code break no not a code break at all in that situation not in that situation was like audibly gasping during that scene a code break absolutely not in fact I think the environment in the movie theater aids your enjoyment of a movie like if people are laughing like you don't want people talking there's a couple
Starting point is 01:17:13 laughing like cheering on I like it yeah um also what year was the first top gun 85, I believe. They really fucked up, dude. They could have had however many years. Is it 85? 85? So there was 33 bullets left at the end. He's like, we can do it again.
Starting point is 01:17:32 Again, like, marketing to 686. It should have been like 89 because that would have been cool, 33 years ago. Mm-hmm. Right. Missed opportunity is what I'm saying. So, yeah, the silver foxes were all horned up, ready to go home and get it done.
Starting point is 01:17:49 after watching Top Gun, man. Tom Cruise can still do it, so can I. They were skimming the taint in that last scene, weren't they just, whoo? Yeah, you felt a cool breeze go up there. Oh, my God. You know the P-51 that they flew in the end? That's Tom Cruise's actual airplane.
Starting point is 01:18:12 He owns that. And he did the flying in that. And that looked like a total Seattleist commercial, man. I'm telling you. Holy fuck. I'm telling you there was a whole thing there, dude. Like, there was a whole, like, you can still do it. You can still take her out on the plane.
Starting point is 01:18:29 The plane's a metaphor. An F-18, those planes that were flying, $75 million. Like, the real ones. So when Tom Cruise stole that plane, he crashed a $75 million plane. And that's right. That's like, oh, that's called failing upwards. Right, right, right. it? Yeah. I mean, that dude, I mean, he fooled the fuck out of me at Harris did because I thought
Starting point is 01:18:54 he was definitely getting cut. Yeah. Overgoing 10 G's or whatever he went. 10.3. 10.3. Jesus. So the original movie costs $15 million. This one cost 10 times, $150 million. We do a lot of very productive things with that money if we didn't make movies with it. But as far as movies go, worth every fucking penny. By the way, Maverick was a huge hot. Hot, dog, wasn't he? Ultimate show off, dude. Oh, yeah. The ultimate show off.
Starting point is 01:19:22 He had to play in the football game. So he showed up, and this is method acting by him, but here's him showing up to Top Gun Maverick premiere in a helicopter. He flew himself. You said he's 58? I think 59. He was 56 of the filming this movie.
Starting point is 01:19:38 Do you think any male over 55 has ever had a big, bigger, like, moment? The top girl. than Tom Cruise and Top Gun just now. But think about the scale of what this guy, this guy can go back on a world tour again. I mean, he's essentially,
Starting point is 01:20:00 I don't know if name one, name one, name one, what accomplishment bigger than landing your fucking helicopter, having all these young, good-looking people be like, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise, bro, what's better than that, dude? He's back. People died to be as relevant as he is, man, right now.
Starting point is 01:20:23 He's done it twice. He's also a fucking good actor. He doesn't get enough to try it for just being a good actor. He cried with Val Kilmer. Have you ever seen the color of money? No. Dude, you would fucking love that movie. I heard Tom Cruise plays like a pool shark in it.
Starting point is 01:20:36 And he got so fucking good at pool that he was like almost a pro pool player. Oh, and he's just a fucking, he probably can almost do this. Fly planes. This guy's, he's incredible. I will say, and Miles Teller, because we had him on like back in the day before this was even called green light well uh miles teller said he he can fix anything he's like an old school guy and hopefully we have miles teller on again but i'm telling you man i'm yeah i'm waiting maybe maybe somebody wrote you know
Starting point is 01:21:03 i don't know how ben franklin was when he did various things but tom cruise doing this here is uh it's impressive yep just putting that out there is this your favorite tom cruise movie here's the thing my tom cruise uh catalog knowledge is is below average i'll say that i'll say that you know why because mission impossible tom cruise is stuck in my head and i don't like mission impossible that much yeah like it's just when i think tom cruise i immediately think lasers right yeah edge of tomorrow is fucking lasers in that movie uh yeah yeah yeah is that katherine zita joe in another room. Well, see, I... You're thinking about Catherine Zeta Jones.
Starting point is 01:21:47 I'm thinking of the guy in... Come back to us for you. In Oceans 12. Yeah, there's a lot. When he's dancing through to steal the... And he puts on the headphones with the Italian. He's... So maybe Tom Cruise didn't do lasers.
Starting point is 01:21:59 He evaded lasers in the mission impossible. And he died in the third one. He died. Spoilers, dude. In the third... Yeah, okay, it was movies like 15 years old. I used to watch it on my iPod Classic. We...
Starting point is 01:22:09 Wait, he didn't die in the third Mission Impossible. For 20 seconds, he died. Oh, yeah. My top Tom Cruise movies are Edge of Tomorrow, Minority Report, and maybe this newest top gun. Dude, it's this top gun
Starting point is 01:22:25 and what's the one where he plays Tug Speedman slash Tropic Thunder? Tropic Thunder. Tom Cruise is awesome in Tropic Thunder. He's amazing in that movie. And Jerry McGuire is pretty fucking good too. Yeah, I'd have to go back. Shut is a movie I like, although it is a controversial movie.
Starting point is 01:22:47 What's controversial? Everybody's fucking each other. It's Stanley. It's Stanley Kubrick's last movie. I was like, holy shit. You guys anti-orgy over here. Check this guy out. It's controversial.
Starting point is 01:23:02 Oh, people hate it. Yeah, some people think it just sucks. Yeah. I think it's good. Like the beach for Leo. Yeah. When you think of Leo, what scene do you think of? go just go like i started thinking of the bear in revenant and then i started thinking of him on the
Starting point is 01:23:18 boat in wolf of wall street flicking the hundreds i think about the the the the the lambo scene in wolf of wall street he's an incredible actor also crying and once upon a time in hollywood you're just like bro like he's just oh his his like um self-doubt in that movie the way he portrays that character Rick Dalton self-doubt was just unbelievable we should talk about movies more on this we should talk about movies more on this I thought of him from the quick and the dead the quick in the dead yeah he's the young he's the kid he's the kid he's I haven't seen that movie that's a good that's a good I think I think you'd like that movie yeah yeah apparently it's not that good apparently rotten tomatoes guys anti-orgy he doesn't like eyes wide shot no he does oh that's
Starting point is 01:24:05 interesting all right give me your best Leonardo DiCaprio movie or two before we get out of Wall Street. This is a fucking heavy topic. That's like the first day. Like the first day when I asked you your top five Beatles songs. And a fucking, this is like when,
Starting point is 01:24:20 when you, your first day at work is the, was the Waffle House day. Yeah. And I was like, Matt, come on the pod. What are your top five Beatles songs?
Starting point is 01:24:29 You're going to answer that question in a Waffle House on 20 minutes notice. Yeah, I was like, this job's fucking weird. It's the worst. You were like, we're going to a Waffle house for a period of time between 10 and 24 hours and we're
Starting point is 01:24:41 gonna record some shit with my old D-line coach whose name is Mike Waffle and I'm like holy fuck I left a real job I mean that's got to be rough your first day where do I show up the Waffle House oh you got a whole
Starting point is 01:25:01 I am glad I look the sham quarter in the parking lot for a social all right I'm gonna do a top five here in no particular order. Actually, I can't even get down to five. I'm a big, big Leo guy.
Starting point is 01:25:16 Big Leo guy here. I'll show you a big Leo guy. I'll give you five. The Man in the Iron Mask. Oh my God. That's like his worst movie. What? You guys have like a Highlander movie beat, dude.
Starting point is 01:25:31 No, he's not. He plays two people in that movie. This is like, that's impressive. man in the Iron Mask Yes gangs of New York that departed
Starting point is 01:25:44 and once upon a time in Hollywood That's a damn good one And he's so good And Django Unchained He's amazing And Django Unchained Almost too convincing
Starting point is 01:25:54 But I think I'd say Shutter Island is the fifth Shutter Island is a fucking incredible movie dude I'll say the Aviator Should be on that list Oh people love that movie dude The Aviator is a great movie
Starting point is 01:26:05 one of the best individual performances wolf of wall street for sure i like inception a lot i don't know if it'd be on my list but inception's good movie great performance departed gangs from new york once upon a time in hollywood it's like six how about uh once a but he yeah i don't i was gonna make a joke and like find a movie that sucks but not that i've seen what a unique career to like no superhero movies no like big money blockbusters just like we just saw none of that like just honest movies yeah with some of the best autoress that we have like scorcetian tarentino just good honest movies yeah leo the man he can be uh tom cruz's um and jennifer connelly's son in the next movie
Starting point is 01:26:59 in the trilogy movie fighting in a dystopian future i wonder who was almost uh goose junior j j j that's what i call him well hold on one thing about goose junior that didn't really make a whole lot of sense is they see the picture of him and they're like whoa look how much he looks like him at all but he doesn't look like him at all but he has a mustache it's like that's not too and he dressed like him. There's only one time, there's only one time that he kind of looks like in when he did when they looked back to him in the plane and right before they were about to take off
Starting point is 01:27:37 in the final thing and he's like, oh, this is a tough one. Yeah. It's the only time he looks similar to him. Nicholas Holt and Glenn Powell were both considered for rooster. Oh, so Glenn Powell took the secondary role after not getting the role of rooster. Hey, no Allison Chains on the soundtrack? Here comes
Starting point is 01:27:55 the rooster. Oh. You know he ain't going to die? dude that was a staple in 97 5 oh yeah that was just here comes the rooster you grew up with some cool music when you were super young that those fucking that grungy shit was amazing yeah all right so yeah they could have done that they missed an opportunity with alison chains i did like the way they used music in this movie that like a lot of different times music painted the scene and there's what i think will be the most memorable scene when it's all sudden done 10 years from now is the football on the beach scene with one republics i ain't worried i don't think so dude
Starting point is 01:28:36 that scene i felt like because it's ridiculous it was ridiculous people are going to go back and be like because it's ridiculous tom cruise is like i'm still young so i can still play at some point we're all going to be like doing yeah like we're going to be doing a podcast talking about like the most scenes that didn't fit and that was the one that they just had to throw in there and it was it was perfect top gun 80s movie or whatever was but it just this movie was so good you know we didn't need that but I get it I get we had to get some peck meat for the for the cougars the cougars needed some peck meat is an offering to the you know silver foxes are getting their Jennifer Connolly on you know I think Jennifer Connolly appeals to a wide age range of course of course
Starting point is 01:29:24 No disrespect. I'm just saying. She's amazing in that movie. Fuck, what's the old movie 2001 about like drug addiction or whatever? Was she in Requiem for a dream? Yes. She's the girlfriend in Requiem for a dream. That's a crazy movie.
Starting point is 01:29:38 It's a crazy soundtrack, dog. That movie gives me anxiety. Just hearing that gives me anxiety. Yeah. That's Darren Aronofsky movie. I think it's supposed to freak you out. Yeah, dude. I love movies so much.
Starting point is 01:29:54 I used to work in a very, video rental store. Anyways, yeah, that was Top Gun. So, highly recommend. Oh, 10 out of 10 would recommend. You want to call up Little Howie? Yeah, let's call Howie. If you trust us with the team you love, you can trust us to help your love life.
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Starting point is 01:32:02 Dirty Harry. I can see on the Zoom. The people at home can't see. We sent him to the match, the golf match between all the quarterbacks. He did his homework because he's fucking sunburned. I mean, he is like a tomato on the screen. What's up, Harry? How are you guys doing?
Starting point is 01:32:21 What's up, viewers, listeners? Hey, Howie, Top Gun. Haven't seen it yet? Have not, but it's on the list. Bump that to the top of the list and get there ASAP. Okay? So here's my question. If you were in Top Gun, Howie, and this is something I'm going to have to think about in the future,
Starting point is 01:32:38 because I'm going to inform me that I'm going into the Armed Forces and I'm joining Top Gun, Howie. What would your name be? If I'd be the new guy who comes in and just takes over, my name would be Dirty Harry. You can't put two things on your, um. All right, I'd be Goose. Goose dies, Howie. That's dark. heroically he's a martyr kyle would be possum do you see him save those possums the other day
Starting point is 01:33:04 he's quite he's quite heroic much like goose our brother saved the possum a family of possums the other day of oh possums man i had possum on the timeline i opened my twitter i said what the fuck is going on here why is there possums on my time how did kyle find out what to do with the possums Google. Probably his awesome wife, Kate, who I think then
Starting point is 01:33:33 she listens to the pot. Yeah, she contacted someone about the opossums and then I saw on her social media that she got correspondence from the possum helpers. Am I stupid? Because I've heard like
Starting point is 01:33:49 opossum and possum, are they the same thing? You just say possum. It's the same thing. It's a silent o. It's one of the only silent nose in the universe. Unless you're talking to someone who knows a thing or two about opossums. Yeah, exactly, dude. So anyways, Kyle saves some possums. But Howie, the reason I'm having you on is talk about the match.
Starting point is 01:34:12 Kyle's a good golfer. I was going to intro you as maybe the best golfer in the family. Who's the best golfer in the family? And I was going to say, you know, I'd be perfectly fine of these same. that because we played the other day and it was one verse two um he and my good buddy p.d and they ended up eating me it was shout out piti and it was uh they were playing best ball or actually scramble versus me so they got to take their best shot off every shot oh so basically they had best ball and you were just raw dog in the course just me out there my own match if you will
Starting point is 01:34:54 Damn son did you win They ended up beating me Well the only yeah the only time One beats two is in the movies Howie Chris it's funny Tom Cruz Tom Cruise is the only person And they're in
Starting point is 01:35:09 They're in next generation Fighters Yeah bro Kyle and Pidi had next generation fighters Howie was in a F-14 With no DVD player I think we're now making No backup camera
Starting point is 01:35:22 No Leridgement alert. We're now seeing the connection to me and goose. All right, Howie. Tell us about the match, man. Who won, first off? Because I don't give a fuck. I was watching Top Gun.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Wait, is Howie, is your swing prettier than Kyle's? Because Kyle likes to post his swing online a lot. I don't like to show people my swing. So you just got to show up and then see it. And then, you know, why does Kyle? He's definitely a stealth fighter. Yeah, that's right. He's Bob.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Kyle's left-handed 6-7, 300 pounds and looks supernatural swinging. So I want to watch it. God hitting that golf ball. Just punishing that golf ball. I'll post for my 2,300 Instagram followers. I actually play golf tomorrow morning at TPC Summerlin. We'll check the story. I'll post it on my story.
Starting point is 01:36:20 You can check it out. Okay. So, Howie, who won the match? Who shined? Who didn't shine? So good question. Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers won. I think that's the expected outcome.
Starting point is 01:36:32 I mean, look at the MVP's the Super Bowls, the, you know. Howie's high school girlfriend thought Tom Brady was cute. So Howie is a conspiratorial guy on Tom Brady. Thank you. Thank you. You bring me to my first. point on the match and I'll just dive right into it. So I came away, I had three takeaways. And this is actually a great transition. So three takeaways from the match. I think I could
Starting point is 01:37:04 hang with all those guys, if not beat them. Jake from State Farm, his actual name is Jake. He worked for State Farm and won a competition to be on a nationwide commercial. Patrick Mahomes is uh you know does commercials and and and and so is there from state farm yeah and Aaron yeah it makes sense okay the third one was tough to fight with I still hate Tom Brady I don't get it
Starting point is 01:37:36 but I still hate Tom Brady all right Howie let's do fuck Mary kill all right we got a couple things here that's great this is perfect we just have Howie on dirty Harry from time to time. We have dirty Harry on from time of time and we're like let's have dirty Harry on to talk about the Democratic National Convention.
Starting point is 01:37:57 We ask him one question about it. He doesn't really know what happened. But we just dive right into fuck Mary kill. I don't vote. Christmas pod. I do think of this often. So what's the coolest president of this year?
Starting point is 01:38:14 Merry, fuck kill. Go, Howard. We're going to stick with the whole golf theme. So we got Sunday Tiger, Vegas Tiger. And then if you guys watched his documentary when he did the special ops training to prepare for the PJ tour, that tiger. God, that's a tough one. Howie? Kill, like, Soldier Boy Tiger from the documentary because fuck that guy is maniacal.
Starting point is 01:38:40 How are you going to kill him? That's a great question. I didn't know I needed to have a murder plan. as part of this as well. That's part of the deal, I think, in this scenario. I would marry Sunday Tiger. Except by, okay, well, it's going to be Monday
Starting point is 01:38:57 by the time he cheats on you. So I guess technicality he'll be faithful. Because like, you'll go out to dinner with him after he wins the fucking tournament, right? And then the next day, it's 1 a.m., 2 a.m.? Sorry. I'm Monday Tiger. You're not
Starting point is 01:39:13 married to that person. That's a genius call by you, Matt. Don't know if that's what you were thinking, but that's genius. Yeah. And then I, and then I guess I'm fucking fucking Vegas sticker. That's definitely.
Starting point is 01:39:27 This is always the hardest part for you guys. Sorry viewers, but it's, it's always hardest for them to figure out who they want to fuck. Well, I'll comment. I'll give you again. It's like the other day I said, you should
Starting point is 01:39:41 probably marry, you know, Kevin Costner from Waterworld. Because Kevin Costner from Waterworld is a survival list guy. Anything you need fixed? It's like right now my wife fixes all the stuff. She, you know, puts the toys together and shit. If I'm married to Kevin Kossner, Waterworld, he's like next task. Yeah, bro. He converts urine into mouthwash. Yes, dude, we're good. Like I'm safe. My family's safe. Same thing with, um, with military Tiger Woods, dude. Military Tiger Woods would run through a wall for his family. This is the most
Starting point is 01:40:11 locked in Tiger Woods is ever is military Tiger Woods. Like think about being so locked in and shunning temptation and sin and hedonism that you go into a cave with a bunch of navy seals and just sweat it out that's the guy i want to marry dude that guy will kill for for me dude he will protect me he won't stray i like it yeah and then i think you see the back the back end of that which is then he goes and wins on sunday that's sunday tiger and then after that he just had straight to Vegas. Yeah, that Howie, that's, that's a great question. These are the important questions.
Starting point is 01:40:52 And the legend of Bag of Vance, which it took me, it took me a while to realize it was actually, uh, not Will Smith. He, uh, Kevin Costner from Tin Cup, because I know we missed out on him last week. And then Bill Murray from the caddyshack. So am I fucking, this is Matt Damon? Yeah, Matt Damon. Fucking Matt Damon.
Starting point is 01:41:19 Matt Damon. It stirrups. I'm killing him, dude. Killing that fool, dude, with a, with a Revolutionary War gun. Wait, this isn't the Revolutionary War? 1912. Oh, he's a golfer. World War I hadn't even happened.
Starting point is 01:41:38 He just had some fucking 1778, no, 1878 haircut here. but that was just his haircut he's got all your years mixed up go ahead yeah howie I would kill legend of bagger vance I would fuck I would Bill Murray marrying Kevin Cosner
Starting point is 01:41:57 Tin Cup Kevin Costner yeah he's out playing golf I don't have to I can be right next one No I'm not gonna go I'm hey you know if there's one thing golfers don't do it's hang out with their families and if I'm married to Kevin Costner I mean nothing against that but I
Starting point is 01:42:12 I don't prefer Kevin Costner so it'd be great if he was just gone all the time. I'm married to Kevin Costner and Tinkup. I'm killing Bagger Vance. And then the third one was Bill Murray. In what movie? Caddyshack. Chris, we got,
Starting point is 01:42:27 our upbringing was all Caddyshack quotes. I got one. Gritty. Bob Ross. Or Macon. Macon's got to go. He's got a pillow. with his face on it.
Starting point is 01:42:49 You kill bacon, right? I'd marry Bob Ross. I'd marry Bob Ross. I watch his documentary. Seems like it's... I don't want to hear the third thing. That fucked up life and then I fucked the other one. Gritty.
Starting point is 01:43:05 Don't know who it is, but I'd do it. Philadelphia Flyers mascot. Have you seen that thing? Yeah, it seems plush. All right, Howie, I got a merry fuck kill for you. I have to answer these. I wasn't supposed to. Tom Cruise, Top Gun, Maverick.
Starting point is 01:43:24 Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible One, or Tom Cruise's original Top Gun? It's too fresh in my mind. I can't fuck Tom Cruise right now. So, both top. Wait, both Top Gun movies? Yeah. same character
Starting point is 01:43:46 but obviously you marry the Tom Cruise he's got perspective now he knows the mistakes he's made the maverick yep you you marry the guy who's not going to leave Jennifer Connolly this time even though he left and in the trilogy the third movie
Starting point is 01:44:02 Leonardo DiCaprio his bastard child is angry and he's fighting communist China in 20056 where does Matt Damon then Matt Damon, he's up in a spaceship, growing vegetables on Mars.
Starting point is 01:44:20 So I have not seen the newest top gun. I will kill the original Maverick. Yes. I will marry Mission Impossible Tom Cruise because I know he's got like seven more coming, so the checks are just going to keep coming. Then I'm a little curious because I haven't seen it, the new top gun. so I'm gonna fuck him. You'd fuck the shit out of him after seeing that movie.
Starting point is 01:44:48 And then I die valiantly as a martyr. Last one, Allie. Matthew McConaughey. Oh. Interstellar. Oh. Matthew McConaughey, Killer Joe. Oh.
Starting point is 01:45:09 Has anybody seen that movie? You've seen that movie? I've seen that movie. Or the third one. Matthew McConaughey, Dallas Buyers Club. Okay. Kill Dallas Byers Club. Wow, Howie.
Starting point is 01:45:23 You got to go. Sorry. Sorry, Howie. Sorry, you got a long off now. You just lost the game. That was a test. I would, I would fuck Killer Joe.
Starting point is 01:45:37 He's a fierce individual. It was fierce, man. And I would marry the other one. because I mean he's got the only way out time travel you name it and when you die he's just going to be like
Starting point is 01:45:53 45 years old skate off to some planet that's that's going to be the howie that's going to be the you know where anti-aging is going they'll just take you to that planet like Matthew McConaughey and interstellar
Starting point is 01:46:08 well we have to find it first yeah but just think about that can I ask you Can I ask you guys one more question? What? Yeah, sure. Okay. Mm-hmm. What would, after all this has been said,
Starting point is 01:46:23 yes. Can I get your ideal matchup for the next, the match? All football players or golfers? No. I would say let's exclude football players. That's a good question. Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenden playing cards. Chris, it's golf and everyone has to know who it is.
Starting point is 01:46:52 Kevin Kisner and Harry Higgs are the two golfers. I want... He's so good at this with golf, dude. I want... He knew Mahomes' swing was like, who? Jim Furek. I mean, he was like, oh, his swings like Jim Furek. I was like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:47:08 Yeah. Should play the video game more, Chris. Yeah, I guess. And then, um... I want to see Kevin Durant and Bobon. I want to see Boban up there. I want to see them play golf. Swinging the iron.
Starting point is 01:47:25 Yeah. Or instead of K.D. put JJ Bray. You want JJ Bray out there just for some reason? Next to Bobon. The next Mabre. Oh, yeah, because that would be like funny as fuck. I'd like to decide the next election using the match. It would be possibly more effective.
Starting point is 01:47:42 Yeah. Just Obama, Trump, run it out, 18. You think, you think Obama, can Obama play? I don't want to risk. This doesn't sound like a fun exercise. I was like, did you see the terror on my face? I was like, yo, can we get
Starting point is 01:48:00 Top Gun to train him to play golf? Can we get Tom Cruise to play it? Train Obama to play golf right now. Bro, I heard it. Whole 16, he hits it in the water. I just cut my throat, dude. I just bleed out. You think the chicken,
Starting point is 01:48:16 protesters are bad, dude. I heard a tidbit today that one of the, I don't know if it was the match or it was another golf charity tournament was going to be Barack Obama, Tiger Woods versus two other prominent people. But that got names.
Starting point is 01:48:40 Sounds like they could probably just put whoever the fuck they wanted there for three and four. If you have a certain amount of dollars, to spend on talent, I'd say Tiger Woods and Barack Obama, you've nailed it. Three and four, you could go fucking... Chris Long. No, Pat Conerton
Starting point is 01:48:56 and fucking like, I don't know, Bon Jovi. It's just random shit, dude. Imagine if that was the match. Bon Jovi's got a shout. Pat Connton's talking shit to Tiger Woods. He's got a golf ball
Starting point is 01:49:14 with like a car crash on it. I want three really famous people and then one person who's just not but is kind of like what the fuck is he doing here and we don't say George Clooney I can't my brain is broken
Starting point is 01:49:35 I can't think of famous people Derek Jeter fucking Lady Gaga and Adam Lefco no not even Adam Lefco Matt Damon no Matt Damon's too famous
Starting point is 01:49:48 Howie you could never You could never cast these events for me. Chris, last question directly for you. Yeah. Dave Damasek. Just grilling the fuck out of these guys, man. Just get Dave Damasek down there with a mic.
Starting point is 01:50:09 That'll be awesome. Why don't you golf? Because I suck at it, Howie. You know this about me. I don't play sports well. Well, some I do. you know football went pretty good for me baseball was legitimately pretty good
Starting point is 01:50:25 but fucking you know basketball I relied on athleticism and good post play good size howie I'm just not yeah I'm not real good at the lacrosse I didn't even have to cradle the ball so I'm just telling you golf is not in my future man I'm just not good at it
Starting point is 01:50:41 Reed see me swing the club also my body hurts I think you'd be a good candidate for that that matchup you think I could be the fourth. Yeah, the three. If Pat Conninton gets,
Starting point is 01:50:55 if Pat Conantin's in the NBA finals. Yeah, he can't make it. Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Pat Conantin and you. Howie, you're not getting this. Well, it was at the win. Yeah, it's true.
Starting point is 01:51:10 That's good. Howie, that's really good. That's fun stuff, Howie.

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