Green Light with Chris Long - Gerald McCoy! Career in Tampa & Carolina, Relationship with Warren Sapp & Batman

Episode Date: April 18, 2023

(2:03) - Hello, Layup Line & Chris in Mexico (22:11) - Gerald McCoy talks NFL Career, Time in Tampa Bay, Warren Sapp, Playing with Ronde Barber & Lavonte David, Signing in Carolina, Cam Newton & Luke Kuechly, Favorite Batman Actors & Villains & Favorite Michael Bennett Stories (1:46:48) - More Mexico Stories, Automation in the World, NBA Playoffs & Happy Birthday Conan O'Brien Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chris and Boer Grace by the presence of one Gerald McCoy. Recently retired NFL defensive tackle, longtime buck. And he's going to talk about his career, some of his favorite teammates, some of his most memorable games, and some of his mentors, including Warren Sapp. We also get a couple stories from the bachelor party that Chris attended in Mexico. And some NBA talk. We'll enjoy this. We'll be back Thursday morning with some NFL drag.

Half talks, make sure you tune in that. You know, I don't do this show to start beefs. Or like, you know, like to drum up intrigue based off negativity. But we got a spicy show today. Spicy. Stick around for Gerald McCoy. Who's going to really air it out with a Hall of Famer. Any guesses who?

Is it Warren Sapp? Okay. Stick around. but Gerald's great just retired one of my favorite interior defensive lineman like absolute technician you know we're going to talk a little bit about technique but I was a big swipe guy so like when I got in the league I needed a mechanism to turn my hips I wasn't used to that in college the scheme changed for me and I'll never forget Leonard little teaching me that move and basically it amounts to try to run past the tackle but needing to get his hands down

Double hand swipe. It's easy to do. It's really hard to perfect. And inside, there was nobody better at that one move than Gerald McCoy. And he incorporated the Chop Club. He was a get-off, kind of, he was an elite off-the-ball guy. So guards were always nervous about getting out to him. He was just a lot of fun to watch.

Injuries slowed him down. And he retired after a couple of years being away from the bucks. He's been on the Cowboys. he's been on the Panthers. We talk about that. But great player and I'm really happy. We were booking him. Did we book him before he announced his retirement?

Same day, I believe. After. Okay, after. Well, you guys are good at your jobs. Really good. Yeah, I was in Mexico. So we'll talk about them. It's on a little gravelly player.

Well, yeah, that's, this is post-Mexico. You know, I got about 11 hours sleep in three nights. You boys like Mexico? We do. What's that from? Super troopers. Super troopers. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to light my ass on fire?

Answer me this. Yeah. 11 and 3. Why were you getting up early? Why was there a reason to get up early? Well, there's no reason to get up early, but, you know, 7 a.m. bedtime, 7 a.m. bedtime, 5 o'clock bedtime. You can only sleep so late.

Oh. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. And then I had to fly out early Sunday, which was a shit show getting a. out the door. But we're here. Any sort of smoothie incidents? Smoothy incidents. Oh, nobody threw my No, because there was no fucking food in the house. Okay, I was there for a bachelor party. Shout out to DoDrop. He planned that beautifully. When you're 38 years old, going to a bachelor party is a lot of

fun, but it's also dangerous. Are you too old to be there? No, but there was a moment where somebody was asking how old we all were and we made them guess and uh we were having them guess the oldest person at the bachelor party and i thought i wonder who that is like i really you know when you imagine that you're younger than everybody else because you're like a kid inside i was the oldest guy at the bachelor party if you have to wonder it might be you yeah so it was me well i was playing drinking games with fosha's frat brothers so i feel your pain and that'll be on youtube soon right yeah yeah we'll get some frat content on youtube i know some of you guys are uh vineyard vines army So not that you wear venue vods.

The modern day frat boy is a lot different than the one, at least from a fashion standpoint, a lot different than the ones we went to school. You were pastels, more hoodies. No, you. You were in a frat, weren't you? Yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah, no.

So anyways, we're bringing some things back. We need to get back to basics. What we're doing right now is we're going through this process, trying to figure out how do we have more fun on the pod, this is us laying it bare you know the pod's doing great but we want to have more fun you know we're bringing back the C block

you know we're going to bring back hello we're going to bring back layup line if you don't know what that is you're a fucking hipster well no you're not a hipster you're like the people the hipsters get mad at when they say they're like a band poser

yeah you're a poser you know you're not into the early stuff but here's the early stuff give me one more hello hello Buddha and Pest. Two different cities, dude.

Did you know that? No. Yes. Found that out this weekend. I, uh... You got nothing. No, I do have something. I don't want to step on you,

but I had a friend once referred to the twin cities of Minneapolis. Yeah. Period. Yeah, no, no, no, that's not how it works. Yeah, there's actually another... But St. Paul is 20 miles away. Correct.

This Buddha and Pest are like on top of each. other and there's two cities. In Mexico? No, not in Mexico. Hungary. Oh, Hungary? Yeah, you didn't know where Budapest was? No, I thought we were still in the Mexico trip. No, we're not. We'll get back to that. Okay. Okay, but there's your hello, Buddha and pest. So you learned something today. Oh, so what you're telling me now is what we think of Budapest is actually two different cities. Now, Wikipedia might say otherwise. I believe you. Buda and Pest. It was two different cities and now it's one. Sure. I'm, I think it's two different cities.

Yeah. It was two different cities. have a lab line for you guys. This weekend, there was a Mexican gentleman with an absolutely electric vibe. He's an all vibes team, first round pick kind of guy. He was playing a saxophone at a beach party and I'm going to post the video on Instagram, but this guy was electric, totally brought the vibes. And he was playing this song that was stuck in my head all weekend. Like an idiot, I'm trying to sing it into Shazam. Like you can't sing into Shazam. You can't sing into Shazam, right? Shazam does it. And, uh, you know, house music's tough because I don't know the words. I'm all fucked up. I'm just hearing the sounds. Um, you know, so I can't like look up the lyrics,

but it was like, dan, dan, nah, and you guys thought it was a tequila. But no, I was talking about this house music song. Evidently, it's called what, Reed, you found it. It's called this girl, Cungs versus cooking on three burners. It's a wonderful song. Oh, it's such a good song. I don't know that if I hadn't played it before the pod that I would be in the, the mood to do the podcast. My dopamine is like shot. That's an incredible feeling to have a song stuck in your head and not be able to identify it and then like finally pull like a little piece of a lyric.

It's maddening. Chat GPT can't do that. That's what AI can't do that? What song am I thinking of? Did cowboy figure it out on just done, da, Dana. Yeah, it's a pretty,

yeah, it's a pretty fucking, uh, wow. And it's a feature. Okay. It's a feature on, uh, my playlist, dad new, new. That's the name of your playlist? That new new. That's the name of your playlist. I got a playlist called Bath Time.

That's good. What's on it? Band music. Virginia marching band. Hey, chill. You know, the guy. I don't know the guy. Yeah, Carolina is on his mind.

James Taylor. James Taylor. That sort of vibe. We baby James. So anyways, you guys been to Mexico lately? Uh-uh. Never. Okay. Never. You guys really never been to Mexico?

I was scheduled to go to Acapulco once. Okay. But then we broke up, she and I. And, uh, huh? I stayed at our Airbnb in Phoenix, which was right on the border. That's not close enough. Like, not at all. I got sad and then didn't go.

You know, Juarez and El Paso are kind of like Budapest a little bit. So anyways, um, You guys hear the news sometimes, like there's a cartel down there. Sure. Right? And that's a barrier to entry for some travelers. I think some people are afraid of the cartel. I'm afraid of the cartel.

I'm whatever they want me to be of them. I've talked to Big Howie Long about the cartel before. Yep. Took my parents to Mexico. They were like, so where is the? I'm like, it's not like that, man. Like, honestly, putting two and two together here, um,

you never read about people that buy the drugs getting snatched up down there. It's usually people running the drugs. You know, so when they start snatching up people that are buying the drugs, I won't go down there anymore. But the way I look at it, it's even more dangerous to walk around in America. Yeah. Okay, so I went to Mexico, and I had this thought in mind because there was another headline like that a couple weeks ago and I was hearing some people that were like,

maybe you shouldn't go to this bachelor party. I can't do that. Bachelor party is the ultimate. I got to be there for my guy. Even if we get zip tied together, even if we end up on zip tie boulevard, we're going to be in there like, well, good content. You know, yeah. Here's the thing. There's a lot more stuff more dangerous than the cartel in Mexico, and I mean that respectfully. There were so many ways I could have got like seriously hurt in Mexico, but none of them had to do with the cartel.

When you get an Airbnb there, they give you like three ATVs. Okay? Like there's number one. Okay, like ATV. I could fucking, like, you know, let's try the guys selling drugs on the beach. You know, people are buying cocaine down there. No chance, dude. Not that I'm a cocaine guy.

How about what? You have one? You raise your hand? No, he's just a big cocaine guy. How about like these 76 menthols I had to smoke? Ooh. Yeah, right. How about driving 85 miles an hour in a tiny fucking Mexican taxi cab

looking like Bowser in Mario Kart. There's so many ways I could have got hurt in Mexico. The cartel is not one of them. The cartel is fine by me. The Mexican drug cartel isn't even the most dangerous cartel. Have you heard of NFL owners? Nice. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. I was going to say Colombian. The Mexican weed could hurt me. By the way, that's the worst weed on the planet. Yeah. The weed that they sell in Mexico? Yeah. Like by the pool, at the bar.

Lots of seeds. You know, like, if you've been to Mexico, like, there's a whole army of dudes who are doing this. My friend. Mm-hmm. My friend just tapping their noses, like, no, I'm good. Do you, is the weed you have, like, the Mexican weed, or is there some other kind of It was a lot of fun. I didn't sleep a lot.

We had two guys at the Bachelor Party that were commanders fans. So the day we got there was the day Daniel Snyder got ousted. And at that moment, I knew I was in trouble. Like, these guys are going to party like it's their Bachelor party. And it was everything

it was cracked up to be. I loved it. I thought it was going to die one night because, all right, so I'm at the club. I'm still hearing. the music in my ears. I don't know if this is like psychosis, but last night I was like,

the guys I was with wanted to go to the, the nightclubs, like a nightclub in the jungle of Tulum that you drive 15 minutes inland, it's in the middle of nowhere, and you roll in there and it's like fucking out of a movie. Sounds cool. Yeah, it sounds cool until you get like an earplug stuck so far in your ear

that you think it's stuck for real and you're on mushrooms. And you think like, am I, is this going to kill me? Like, you know, there's a lot of stuff down there. The music sometimes sounded like MRI machines. It was just so aggressive and loud. But I had a good time, and I'm here working on like 11-hour sleep,

and you can hear my voice. Welcome back. Thank you. A lot of dads in the group. Yeah, pretty much. Oh. Wow. Yeah.

Here's what a man's bachelor party looks like. You know how, like, those memes where they're like, what she thinks I'm thinking about, what I'm actually thinking about. I love the one about the guy on the tractor. The woman's like, I'm not going to talk to him all day. The guy on the tractor's like, what a nice, quiet day.

They're imagining that we're like doing lines off of strippers' asses. No, it's just a bunch of guys. You're just picturing, finding a pair of tweezers to get the ear plug that's stuck in your ear. Yeah, that's what's going on at a bachelor party. What's going on at a bachelor party is a bunch of guys huddled around a burner in the Airbnb trying to light cigarettes.

You know, like it's a bunch of man babies trying to mobilize and make plans together and decide where they're going and they can't. They just can't think. The music's blaring. We're listening to girls by whoever the fuck that was. It was a good time. We need not tell this story again, but the 30 minute lunch that was my bachelor party, that's about the right speed for me, I I think. Remind people what happened? You dressed up in colonial outfits. We went to a colonial themed restaurant called Mickey Tavern, had much fried chicken and stuff.

People don't dress like colonials in there, though. No, right. We were like, because we always, we always bust your balls that you would like thrive in that time period. Right. We all rented these colonial outfits. And when he showed up, he was looking like a man from the future. And I was so excited.

It was so nice you guys. Then we went upstairs to, I don't know, I don't know, see Mickey Tavern. And some folks asked, hey, are nice outfits? Like, are you leading the witness task if we were doing some sort of reenactment? It's like, nah, nah, no, we're kind of making fun of this guy here. We're not reenactment losers. Yeah, is what I said.

I go, don't worry, we're not like some fucking weirdos that do Civil War reenacts. And there was a pause and they were like, that's what we do. We are Civil War reenactors. That is why we are here. I was like, yeah, but you guys are off duty though, you know? like yeah but that's different you does it still work i pulled the microphone out of the that's probably the third or fourth time you know what you can definitely do that reed doesn't need to come around the no no no i'm not good why do you clench it with two hands yeah why do you hold your

microphone it's it's like that's what the telescopic arms for um the only people holding a microphone with two hands are little girls singing the national anthem since i since i was a little girl i've always been concerned with audio quality. So I always want to make sure I'm close to the mic. Yeah, that's true. In fact, at multiple points, you can probably catch me. I'll even touch my lower lip to the mic. Yeah. I don't want to do it often because I know other people use

this mic. Yeah. But yeah, it's just about clarity. So we walked outside at this bachelor party of yours, and I'm walking to the car and a whole quick quix bus full of fucking high schoolers or middle schoolers. I don't know. We're calling me fucking losers. You know what? They were right.

so anyways and you ripped a heater in their face no it was just a vape pen but yeah the problem was I ran out of Zen dude I was down to Zit like they don't sell tobacco down there really and yeah I ran out of Zinn like a day and a half in you know and uh

I had these two pieces these two sixes sitting in a winter green can which I don't even like I had to you gotta do what you gotta do and a night before I'd use that thing to hold my half lit joint so the fucking two six are covered in just like bud ash. I gotta do it.

And last night, I gotta make this count. So yeah, I had to smoke the menthols. And they were great. I see why people like cigarettes, but that's in the past now. Okay, we're home. Welcome back. Yeah. Anything else before we get to Gerald McCoy from you?

No, I don't think so. It's the middle of April. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Everything's blossoming. You people who suffer from seasonal allergies, y'all are going through it. You know what else could have killed me in Mexico?

The catamaran. I was on a catamaran. I fucking love catamaran's, by the way. Big catamaran guy. Not to steal your thunder on allergies. But, man, like, yachts are cool. If I ever hit it big, I'm getting a fucking catamaran. Because there's these things in the front with, like, netting you can lay down on

and just kind of look at the ocean. you feel like a sailor. You can climb the mast. I climbed the mast a little bit and jumped off like one of the the higher points into the ocean. Fuck. A bull shark could have got me.

How fast were you moving? Those things move. They can roll. They can roll. We were going into the waves. Like there were big waves out there. And it was just like, you know, you see in like the deadliest catch people.

Right, right. It was awesome. Now, because it's two pontoons, right? Yeah. On two pontoons and then the haemic style thing that you were talking about. Was there ever point where one of them was way out of the water? Because I know that happens if you catch the wind of the right.

No. We didn't get like that. Okay. Yeah, no, it was, it was cool. Much safer than a mono hole. A mono hole? Mm-hmm. You have two.

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First of all, thank you for having me, Brosea Allen, Christopher. Let me give a few flowers. Bo is definitely, I have a short list of phenomenal teammates I had. I ran into a lot of people over time, but I don't keep in contact with everybody, but Bo is one of them. So, Bo, I love you. One of a kind. I love you too, G.

It's always a pleasure to see your face, man. And then Christopher, let me give you your flowers. I have a lot of different, like, imprinted moments in my career. where I took motivation and push to be like that or take something from certain people because I'm from Oklahoma, we don't even have a professional team. So our professional team was OU.

You know, and then you just kind of gravitate towards the Cowboys because they're the closest. I grew up loving the books. But as I started like seeing more and more football, you know, I started discovering the combine and all this. I was in college,

I remember your combine performance. And then I had never seen, I mean, we had some athletic white dudes, but this dude was like, you're the, you and, Roderick Bunkley,

I think his name was? Yeah, Bunkley. Bunkley went to Florida State. Yeah, he was a beast. Yeah, you two, like,

are the first two, like, real combine, um, workouts that I was like, all right, that's dope. I mean, both being D-Lyman, I mean, Adrian Peterson went, you're going to watch him because he went to school. But your Combine Workout and then your 2013 season for sure.

Yeah, yeah, we played you in 13. Yeah, very phenomenal. Like, those are like implanted thoughts in my career. So giving out flowers and first and then to answer your question, I kid you not. I announced my retirement on Friday. I was in New York filming a TV show, the Carton Show, on FS1.

I got on the plane, came home. My wife was like, hey, the kids are hungry. I'm like, oh, yeah, well, I've been out working. I don't even get to come home. Just go get food. All right, cool. Anyway, so I go do that. And then my daughter, she's a basketball player.

So I was like, you know, she had a tournament this weekend. I said, let's go to the gym, get some shots up. I kid you not. I get to the gym I had just announced I retired Friday the day before I worked out just fine I get to the gym

my back locks up my legs are not working it's like my body knew immediately like yeah that's it it's time I'm giving up on it well Gerald welcome to the washup athletes hey first off it's fucking true dude my voice doesn't work because I went to

a bachelor party this weekend so nothing works anymore for me my back my legs my voice just wait dude it gets worse oh i'm sitting here like somebody just told me that this morning i'm like man heck no like i can't allow it like i worked out this morning and my run this morning has been the hardest run i've had over the last two weeks i'm like what the heck just happened to me yeah dude yeah it's like uh it's like once the flip the switch flips um yo i wanted to ask you this like you know you've been out for a couple years kind of and i wondered you know because

injuries are the only thing that slowed you down. I mean, you could have played 20 years of, you know, at your pace. And I wonder if there was a time when you kind of were battling with the notion that like, I don't have a choice here. You know, like the choice is kind of being made for me. And what went into that decision? And was there a moment on the field where you were like, yeah, this is just, I'm not what I was.

Yeah. No, I don't think it was, well, because going into, after I left Carolina. Yeah. I had like some tendonitis in my knee. Yeah. And I, you know, we all been bets, you know, you just do everything to get to Sunday. Yeah. So I wouldn't practice on Wednesday, do third down, blitz period on Thursday and then do fast Friday.

And I played all 16. Yeah. When I got ready to sign the Cowboys, I did a physical. And Dr. Cooper, who actually ended up doing both my knee surgeries, he said, you do know your quad tithe and is half torn. And I'm like, I didn't know that. they told me it was 10 and nighters. It's like, nah, it's about to fall up. I was like, at some point, this is going to go.

Yeah. You know, so you do your best to try and get through the season, but it's going to happen, you know. So I was like, this was the pandemic, you know, so I'm training all pandemic. Like, nothing happening. Still squatting heavy doing whatever. Get to the Cowboys.

We got to do that two-week acclamation period. Just fine. First two practices, just fine. Random step on the third. practice and it just goes. Yeah. And that to me was just like, okay, I just played all 16. Right.

You know, so I was like, all right, this is an injury. I'll shake back. I trained, rehabbed really well, went to work out the Raiders, signed on, had a great training camp. When I went out and I didn't play a lot on an opening day, I got a couple of reps. And I sat really the whole second half. until the fourth quarter. Yeah.

Played two reps and then that third rep, I was just running. Yeah. Marr was running. He was sitting there in the pocket and I was just running towards him and my leg just gave out. I sat up on the field. I knew what it was. And it was almost like because I had been through it before, it didn't even hurt. Yeah.

I just couldn't walk. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I told my quiet attendant again, but it was the opposite leg. And I sat up and I looked around and the doctors were like, what happened? What happened? I was like, yeah, I told my quiet attendant. And they was like, oh, man, I was like, it don't rush.

Just let me see here for a second. Because at that moment, I said to myself, okay, that's it. You know, you just had a knee injury last year. You just had an opposite leg knee injury this year. That's it. But as that season went on, I said, you know what? Because of the type of competitor I am,

type of man I am, I haven't been through worse. So I'm not going to let an injury. keep me from at least playing another snap, at least getting into another locker room, sitting in another meeting again. But as a season went on, and my knees was still kind of bothering me a little bit, and I was like, okay, let me get to a certain point

to where I can go at least do a workout. Yeah. I got to about mid-season last year, and I said, okay, I'm going to get myself until the end of the season, and then that's it. Yeah. And that's what happened. And it was tough for me.

me because like you said injuries is what stopped me not me not being good enough yeah and that that was hard to accept but then I had to realize man you did so much up to that point yeah that it's okay if you're done yeah you know it's not like people are going to know it was injuries it wasn't your play and that just was hard for me because I thought with everything I did with preparation on and off the field training like a madman always staying and shaking and shaking showing up the training camp, giving everything I had. I did it the right way.

So for injuries to happen to me, it was hard for me to accept because I've seen a lot of people who don't give this game everything they have and they'd be just fine. It was hard for me to accept that. But once I did, I was like, all right, cool, I'm good.

But that was tough for me. So I say probably at the end of the last season, I kind of was fine, like, all right, I'm just, you know. Who was the team that, you know, last year you were sitting around and you were like, if I had my pick, this is what was in my sights? Honestly, it was just the books.

I always wanted to go back to the books. Just because I grew up a fan of the bucks, they drafted me, and I had familiarity with them. Yeah. This is going to sound crazy. But the other team was Kansas City, not because it was Kansas City, but Joe Cullen, the D-line coach I was closest to him. He coached there.

So I want to go somewhere with familiarity. Marinelli had retired. So Joe Cullen was really the only coach still coaching that I had like was closest to. So I was like, you know what? I would love to go there just to play under Joe, even if I don't play. Just sitting Joe's meetings and be a mentor. I even told Tampa, hey, listen, I don't have to play. I just want to be a mentor because y'all doing a lot of wrong up front.

Yeah. Y'all have talent and y'all are not rushing together. Guys are not getting on edges. They're just running down the middle of people. It's just bull, bull, bull, and I've seen a lot of things that I can help with just teaching guys, okay, this is how you rush together. Yeah. And I told them, hey, listen, I don't have to play. Like, you ain't got to, even if I'm on practice squad, I'm still sitting in the meetings.

You know, I didn't have enough pride. I always told myself, don't have enough pride in what you were that you can't accept who you are now. And I was okay with it. Yeah. You know, but it didn't happen. And it was okay. I just helped from afar. Text guys here and there.

hey, try this, do this, this and this. And, you know, that was it. But really, it was Tampa. Like, I just, it was familiarity. And it was, you know, I still got a house there. So that's a similar story for me there, G, because, you know, I had a quad tent injury as well when I was in New England in 2020. And then I'm down here in Tampa.

I have a house in Tampa and spent a time in Tampa, podcasting from Tampa. So that was kind of similar for me. You stay in touch with those guys, Vita and Nacho and the rest of the gang. But I got a little bit of a store for you followed by a question. we're talking about the Bucks. So 2020, like I said, doing a lot of the same rehab stuff. You're familiar with quad tendon injuries. Same shit, quad, blah, blah, blah, you know.

I want to know what you were doing when the Bucks won the Super Bowl in 2020. And if it was anything like what I was doing, I was at a bar in Soho, in South Tampa. You were in Tampa. That's good. In Tampa. Oh, my gosh. And I was at a bar watching it like a regular Joe. and all of a sudden I realized about halfway through the game

that these motherfuckers about to win the Super Bowl without me while I'm on IR proceed to just get blackout drunk and throw my Uber on the way home. My Uber score, my Uber rating is still like a 3-5, hasn't recovered since. I like to imagine you kind of had a similar experience watching all your boys in Tampa win the Super Bowl without you. Mine was a little different.

See, yours is, I have a little less sympathy for you because you two years removed from winning a Super Bowl, contributing and actually like doing the quote-unquote impossible, which it wasn't impossible. It's not like your team wasn't good or whatever. So I really don't feel bad for you, so screw you and your story. Yeah, no, honestly, you know what? At first, when they played Green Bay,

and this is the guys, and it's not true, I didn't have them beating Green Bay I just didn't you go into the Frozen Tundra you're playing Green Bay they're hot as heck right now I just didn't see them going up to Green Bay beating them

and then in the second half when Tom was throwing those interceptions I'm like this is not going to happen but when they beat Green Bay this is documented all the interviews after that

I said Tampa's going to win by double digits in the Super Bowl this was prior to the game Kansas City didn't have any office of alignment. I said with that rush front, they're not going to be a stop deal. They're not beating Tampa. Yeah.

So I prepared mentally for Tampa winning Super Bowl prior to. So as it's happening and they're like destroying these guys, I'm actually working out. This is a God sounds true. I'm in, I'm still rehabbing my knee. I have a Peloton in my room. I'm on my peloton like watching the game.

Like, yeah. harder, harder. Fycling away. I'm like doing bands, push-ups, core, all this stuff as I'm watching the game. And I'm really, like in the back of my mind, thinking like, man, my boys is really about to win the Super Bowl.

It was more surreal for me because I've seen like dark, dark, dark, dark days in Tampa. Yes. So to see them, like, literally being the best team in the NFL at this point was like, they really are winning a superstar. Super Bowl. And it was happening at home. So I wasn't, I was really more excited.

And I wanted to, the reason I FaceTime now, I asked, Hey, if you guys win, please FaceTime me. Because I needed to see somebody who's been there with me that seen those dark times.

I mean, talking about, I'm talking about we had the Mercer instance. Yeah, the hurricane. Yeah, guys feet falling off. Like,

getting sued. It was, It was bad, man. Like, we just, it was bad. So to see that I had to, so I FaceTime Tay and he waited, like, he did it the wrong way. Like, he FaceTime me when the locker room was empty. It was just him in there. I'm like, oh, I missed the whole celebration.

You wanted to steal some of that juice. Yeah, but he was in there. He was just like, gee, I can't believe it. I'm like, yeah, I can't either. You made me miss the whole celebration, but whatever. Well, first off, first off, you're not a hater, which is why your story was different than Bose. Oh, Gerald is a hater, though, Chris. She's on the right pod, brother.

Secondly, Chris, you have no idea. Oh, really? I have a master's degree in Hayden. Hate, hate, hate. He's not in this instance. Yes. No, I was trying to get him hating, but he didn't buy it. Second thing is my Uber scores like a four, and I never puked in an Uber.

So, I mean, I don't know what happened to my score, but the other thing I wanted to ask you was, how the hell do you become a Bucks fan growing up in Oklahoma? Was it that Super Bowl run? It was Warren's at. Warns out. Yeah. Yeah. And I know we have our beef, you know.

You do? Yeah, we have a running beef right. Oh, really? About what? Yeah. He disrespect. Okay. Let me ask you a question.

And I'm going to give you guys like a background on this because y'all are my boys and y'all can post this. I don't care because I publicly said if I see him, then I'm going to say the same thing. It is what it is. I'm past being like civil. I, my favorite player growing up was Tommy Harris. who went to OU drafts to the Bears

so I watched him I didn't have a favorite like NFL player like my you know you have your Barry Sanders is you're all them

the first D-Lyman I really knew about was Leon Lett because he played for the Cowboys so I wore 78 in Lle League I switched over to 99 was I discovered Warren's at right

he alone made me a Bucks fan then I started playing with him on Madden I started discovering Ronde and they had Derek Brooks and John Lynch and Mike Austin. Then NFL Blitz came out. And it was like, what a game.

Yeah, so that's how I developed my love for the bucks. And then it just so happened, they went on his run, went to the Super Bowl, and they won it. So I was like, dang, this is my team. So I just stuck with them. Pass forward, I get drafted there. And so I was like, dang, my team growing up, as a kid, I got drafted to.

First Buccaneer, you know, former player I spoke with was Warren Sat. He came that week. I got, we first had OTAs that first week. He came. We went outside this on one-on-ones. He walked me through some stuff,

talking some stuff. He said, we're going to keep this going. You know, as your career goes, you got any questions, this, this, it was fine. Here's where it went left. me and sap became more to just he became more to just a mentor and somebody I could ask question to sap's been in my house he's met all my kids he's met my wife met my dad we've picked him up we've done he was supposed to go you know train some kids he called me

hey I got to go train these kids you give me a ride let's go down here work these kids bed let's go like we talk every week. I'm sending him family. We breaking down it. Like we became like actual friends. Yeah. There was some something that happened between us that because I'm a solid person, I will not mention.

But there was something that happened between us that really put me to a point to where I was like, okay, we are at this level now. Yeah. So since I know we're here because of that situation, all right. This is my guy forever. Yeah. As soon as I left. Tampa and I went on

undisputed and Shannon Sharp and Skip asked me about them giving my number to sue. And my thing was anybody, there's only two people in Buccaneers history who had more consecutive provokes, all right? The all pros, all in it. You can say whatever you want about the Super Bowl era and the Buck's defense that is, I still

still believe top two, three defense in history, that Bucks grew. But other than that, the accolades are there. Yeah. So for me to just leave, one, what the Bucks didn't do is when I left, whether we parted ways or not, there was no post of, thank you. Man, they just get, what's this kicker name, Bo y'all had? Was it suckups? Yes, him, yes.

He left, didn't resign with the Bucks, and they gave him a farewell post. Yeah, thank you. Oh, boy. I think I got a farewell post, gee. Bro, they got a Brian. Thank you so much. They gave Ryan suck up a farewell post. Like, thank you for everything.

Right. When I left, I got nothing. No, appreciate you, Gerald. No, none of that. And for all you fans who are going to say, gee, they did post you. No, they didn't. I called them and asked them. I said, so I didn't mean nothing.

Like nothing? Who'd you call? I can't tell you that, but I called him a phone call. He called up Jason Light. Yeah. And I said, so I leave one, y'all just said, F me, here, this is the number he's getting. This is what he wants, so we're going to give it to him. There's no like, okay, let's give it a year.

Like, let, now we're not giving that number out right now. Let's just wait, which, and a lot of people thought it was my beef with Sue. Yeah. Let me kill this once if we're all. Me and Sue don't have a beef. The media created this. When I see in Dominican Sue, we have a great time. Yeah.

When we went to the Lombardi Trophy ceremony, me, Sue, his sister, and my sister all went and played pool after the ceremony. Like, this has been my gosh since college. They created this beef we had. We made an agreement when we got drafted. He called me. I called him. I said, hey, we're here now.

The 2010 class of D-Tackle, let's take over the league. Yeah. Myself, Gino Atkins, and Sue are the top three D-D. defensive taggers in that class. And you have you, Linball Joseph's, of course. A couple of months, amongst a couple other guys.

But like, I feel like for that 10 years span, we accomplished it. Yeah. So I don't have no beef. Sue. It wasn't about him.

It was about the lack of respect that I got from the bucks. Yeah. When internally and Boa tell you, they know what I was past the football player. Yeah. The Social Justice Initiative. Deline does Christmas, the Vision Mobile,

all the community stuff. Yeah. I was all of it. A lot of those initiatives are still running today, by the way. Yes, we didn't have no Pepsi athletes. None. Yeah. I was the one.

Yeah. When we had a Monday night football representative, I was the one. Yeah. It was all of these things where I did over the years that were unsaid that we just did. Gerald, we need you to say this. We need you to do that. All the bullets. I took.

Yeah. I would know that certain players didn't play a certain way, but what would I do? Getting the media, defend them. And then as soon as the media was over with, they pulled me inside, Gerald. Thank you for saying that, man, this is this and this. I'm like, you think I'm like, because a couple of fans are upset with me or bad mouth me that I'm going, no, these are my boys. Yeah.

We're going to practice together. We are in training camp together. Bo knows. This is like how I've always been. Yeah. I went to, Boa tell you, there was a time where I always had to fight, Adi, line coach. I was waiting for this to come up. Oh, man. Not me.

Yeah. I almost had to fight a D line coach over a game that I didn't even play in. I didn't even play in. How did that happen? Wait, how does that happen? I'll tell you how it happens, Chris. We walk in the D-line room and all the chairs and tables are pushing the side. Pushed to the side. First off.

And we're all kind of looking at each other like. We were in the, the day before, we were in the locker room talking about certain situation. Somebody overheard. they went and said something to the coach. The coach comes, I left that day. The coach comes to the training role.

Where is Gerald? I need to see him. I didn't know this happened because I was gone. He needs to come find me. He needs to come find me. Gerald, you're not that hard to find, man. And I was like, hey, man, so or so looking for you. I'm like, okay, they can call me.

So I always went and got like coffee right before the meeting. So I was always like one of the last ones coming to meet and whatever. I walk in and I look, I open the door and the tables are cleared out. The chairs are cleared out. And I look around. Everybody's silent. Yeah. And you know me.

I'm goofy. So I say whatever I feel like, what the heck of your problem? What happened? And it was like the most awkward thing. And then it just went left. And I'm sitting here confused. Like, how did I get in it? Yeah.

Why are you mad at me? I didn't even play. Didn't not play. I was just sitting there munching popcorn, bro. I was waiting for it. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. How did I even get in this? I was just sitting.

And then what the situation he was even referring to, I was just over there. But because I'm the loudest. Yeah. Because it's me. I got blamed for it. And I had to tell, bro, I ain't had nothing to do with it. But since we hear, you know what I'm saying? And I just, I stood up for my guys.

And I'm looking right like, y'all not going to say how y'all felt. I said it. Whatever. Because that's just how always been. And he probably felt threatened by. you too. Yeah, I'll take them. I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there.

This was an individual that was always comments on Gerald's chain. I see that chain. You're rocking right now. Yeah. On Gerald's shoes. Put up old Facebook posts from back in 2006 and putting them up in the projector during meeting. I'll take the bullets.

I'm not, that don't concern me. This is, man, listen, let's be real. We're in a controlled climate. We're in a professional setting. if it goes left, it just goes left. But how many times has it really went left?

We have very few stories where it really. So I'm like, man, listen, fans are going to be fans. Coaches are going to be coaches. As long as we have one common goal on as to win, I don't mind taking the bullets because it's like, okay, after everything's being said, it is what it is. So knowing this is how I've always been in the inside of Tampa,

knowing this is how I always was, for me to leave and to, be like looked at and treat it that way all because I made a business decision. Let me clear something else up. I did not care about playing Tampa when I went to Carolina. I went to Carolina because I don't want to be far away from my family. It was a layover. It was a far, it was a far flight plus a layover to get to Baltimore. Yeah. I knew that was the first time I have ever been away from my family. Yeah. So I had to make a decision where is the closest team. Here's who I was being offer by. I had 15 teams call me after I left Tampa, but only four or five were really

talking how I wanted to hear. Okay. Atlanta was one of them. Not happening. Atlanta didn't have what I was looking for. Okay. You had Cleveland. Yes, they had Odell. They just got Odell. They had all these people, but they had Freddie Kitchens. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Good call. All right. Okay, there you go. You had Cincinnati. This is pre- Joe Burrell. No, not happening. I went to visit Baltimore.

Baltimore was where I was going. On my way home from Baltimore, Carolina called me. Carolina called me and they was like, hey, listen, we can do this, this and this. Screw it. I'll go see. I went on my visit.

I loved it. So I started gauging, okay, what's what? This is pre- MVP Lamar. I said you have an MVP in Cam Newton. You have Christian McCaffrey at running back. Yeah. Okay.

There you go. Yeah. Defensively, Luke Keekly was still there. You had all of these people in place. All of these people, people were still there. So I gauged everything. I said, how does this way out? Defensively, I was taking Carolina. Yeah.

And quarterback is where it came down to. Do I want a young guy in Lamar Jackson that we don't know what we're going to get or a proven quarterback in Cam Newton? Yeah. Then I started saying, okay, what about flights? My wife and I sat down and said, okay, what's the travel time to get to Baltimore versus Carolina? Carolina was so close after meetings on Mondays, I flew back to Tampa. And I will fly home on Tuesday night so I could be in meetings Wednesday morning.

Yeah. That's how close it was. It was an easy flight. Yeah. Then the money, for people that think I took money, Baltimore offered me more to Carolina. Yeah. So it wasn't about the money. Yeah.

So for all you fans that think I turned my back on Tampa, I went to Carolina because I love my family. You losers. They don't love their families. They don't love these people don't love their families. I love my wife and kids. I went to Carolina because I didn't want to be far away from my family. It had nothing to do with the bucks. Yeah.

I said that in multiple interviews. Yeah. Well, how do you feel about playing a bucks twice? I don't care. Yeah. They're just on the schedule. I don't care. Yeah, that people don't understand the business side of it.

Right. Because I've always been this way. Any school I went to, my high school, my college, any team I'm on, I rent to the fullest. Look at all my tweets. until I retired, I talked about the Raiders. When I was like ties to the Raiders, I tweeted about the Raiders nonstop. Yeah. With the Bucks, that's my favorite team.

I'm going to tweet about them nonstop. Yeah. When I was with Carolina, I still, Ruth Carolina, I still talk about the Cowboys. When I went to Carolina, people still give me hell because I ran on the field and said I'm home. I was. That's the team I'm playing for. Currently, yes. Like, what are you talking?

Like, these fans, they kill me. And it's like all that I did for Tampa, you think, why do y'all think that I'm so bitter that I said, you know what? I'm going to go to a team and have to play Tampa twice, and that's going to be my revenge. You simple-minded people. That kills me. But that's not what Warren Sapp was mad about. And what did you tell me what he got mad about?

Sap, this is what happened with Seth. I said something about my number. he goes on an interview and says he can't say that he's not one of us what has he done here in Tampa to warrant him feeling like he should get anything here that was what he said so you felt like at the moment you were out of there instead of handling it personally with you talking to you sap just kind of yeah he publicly put it on you the moment he got to he is he's an opportunist okay this is the same guy who tweeted a picture of cam

hayward and said who is this guy like you mean to tell me you're a defensive tackle and you don't know who camp heyward is like this is the type of person we're dealing with I've seen him disrespect people in such a manner like in person where I'm like dog you really got a problem like I mean and I'm just like well shoot he didn't do me like that but hey we cool once I and I always say if a person show you who they are believe yeah okay

once he did that here's what you guys and here's why I say stop believing because a person plays the game well that they're like tough guys. Right. A person being aggressive on the field or playing football aggressively does not make them tough. I don't care how much you talk or do what you do or whatever. That does not make you tough. At some point, you have to be a man for real. Here's up you guys as goat or you guys is. Here's reality of who he is. When that happened, I called him multiple times. He didn't pick up the phone. I sent him a text. He did not respond. I said,

We can handle this, however you won't handle this. But be a man to pick up the phone. He did not. You know when he responded to me, when he knew he was going to have to see me in London. He texted me a one-liner. I told you how I felt about certain things. That's what he said to me. I got on Twitter recently and said, hey, there's a lot of you guys as legends.

That's not as tough as you think. When it comes to being actual man, I'm telling you now, he's going to see this post. If he is who he says he is, he will respond to. to this. I'm not telling to respond publicly. He has my phone number. I've seen Warren sat multiple times at Bucks games. Yeah. I was at the Tampa games in the playoffs.

He's been there, I've been there. None of this was happening. So, like, this is not about being tough, it's about being a man. I feel disrespected because he knows what took place between me and him. He could have

called me and said that to me privately. Yeah. To go in the media, and say that, you're opportunist and you show me who you were, the one thing I don't tolerate is disrespect. I can say, you can say anything you want about me, but when you blatantly disrespect me, when you've been around my kids,

been around my family, this, this and this, and then you go in publicly and say that about me, and then when I call you about it, you, like, shy away and don't answer the phone. Like, this is, y'all got to stop believing, like, everything that a person, just because a person says and does things a certain way on the field,

I never disrespect who he was on the grass, you can't. Well, he's also, he's also wrong about you. Like, you, you've got, what, six, six pro bowls. I mean, like, you look at a list of all-time bucks and accolades. Like, you're right at the top with Derek Brooks and Ronde and those guys and Warren. You were the face of the franchise. You know, you talked about all the things you did while you were there. Like, when I thought about the bucks during my playing career, I thought about you, you know? And so, um, he's wrong. I mean, it's just wrong. And that's, and that's the thing. I appreciate. that it wasn't about it wasn't about whether I believe he was right or wrong

yeah but for you it's it's be you know it's be a man like you know what you was like dog you could have called me and said that you could have come me said hey gee hey I did an interview I said this this and this you know how I feel like if you ain't won this or if you ain't did this thing you don't get to stand or sit at our table yeah I would have been like well I don't feel that way but cool I'm glad you call me that's why we boys yeah you at least you you let me know, gave me heads up, so I'm not blindsided when I hear it. I didn't even see it.

You know how I heard everybody in the locker room was like, gee, you see what Sapp is saying about you? Like, imagine hearing that from your teammates and they saying, I thought y'all was boys. Why are he saying this? Then he called out Devin White last year. And I went on TV and called him out for that. I said, you know what y'all don't know about that? Everybody who thinks that this guy is who he says he is.

he was in the building that week. He didn't say anything to Devin. He didn't say it until he got to Twitter or he had an opportunity to capitalize on keeping his name relevant. Let me tell you something about you guys' favorite player. He said, gee, keep mentioning my name because it keeps me relevant. I said, you're my boy, no problem. This is who he is.

So Warren Sapp, I hope you're hearing this. You have my phone number. I think you listen to the pod. I think whenever you want to see and talk about this, we can talk about this. This is great. We should do a round table. Yeah, let's bring in Sam. We should do a round table.

We'll come to Tampa and curate the discussion. Because this stuff, like, let me ask you, if you guys talked it out, could you guys be cool again? I don't have no problem talking to that out. Here's my thing. Like, if you feel a certain way, feel that way. I don't care. You think you're the first person to say that I'm not. at the level of other players, that's all an opinion.

It's just opinion, okay. If I get in the ring of honor, great. If I don't, okay. I know what I accomplished in this game. If I make the hall, great. If I don't, okay, I know what I accomplished in this game. I blaze my trail on this league. I am stamped.

I know that. If you want to gauge the level of what a person was, that's all an opinion. I don't care about that. So my problem was, It was like if Bo had an issue. Bo would pick up the phone and call me. Or he would text me.

I've actually been waiting for an opportunity, gee. I'd like to say that you're not on my level as a point. Oh, there we go. Now it finally comes out. Now watch what happens. See, here's where I can look at Bo and say, I hate your mustache. I'm going to clear out all the tables in the room next time I see you. So let me ask you this then.

I want to take the high road for a second. Oh, this retirement thing is great. No, but tell me what made Warren Sapp great. What made you fall in love with his game? Well, one, the best part about my game is what everybody loved to be of me, my get-up. Yeah. I watched him get off the ball in a way I had never seen before. You see a lot of big guys.

They go make plays. Like, I knew of John Randall, but I knew John Randall before I studied the game of being like this wild, crazy man who played the game a certain way. Yeah. I knew sap of being that get a field, go disrupt, like just destroy everything in his way, player. Yeah. Then once I started learning the game, I started watching how he rushed the pastor. And I said, man, that is an art.

Yeah. And the way he does it, nobody has done it that way. Yeah. And that's when I started like, okay, that guy right there, that's the one. Yeah. You know, and I still feel that way. Like, that doesn't change what we got going on. whatever, that doesn't change how I feel about you as a player.

I'm not, I'm a man. Yeah. So I'm not going to like, if I, if you were my favorite player, that, I mean, that's just what you were. And what you did in this league, five first ballot Hall of Fame, D tackles. He's one of them. Number six is still playing right now. Yeah.

So like. So, you know. So with your game, one of my favorite things you did is you got on edges and I was a swipe guy, you know, because it helped me turn my hips at the, I wasn't the best like pure edge rusher, so I needed good handwork. And when you came in the league, one of the things I saw about you immediately that I respected was your handwork. You were a technician. You know, you definitely worked the chop club.

You worked the swipe. What was your process when it came to building a rush plan? Were you predetermining, you know, hey, I'm going to swipe this guy, or was it if he doesn't give me his hands, then I'm going to go, if he gives me low hands, I'm going chop. Did you have like a menu? How did you work that out in your head on a regular basis? Well, it started my rookie year, SAC taught me to cross job. That's what I'm saying. Like, we were really like, you know, he taught me to cross job.

And I would practice in practice and I couldn't get it to work. Yeah. I practiced a cross shop every day, my rookie year, all into the season was over, every day in practice. Yeah. And then Keith Mallard showed up who had the record. beast. We had the record for D-Tackle sacks until AD showed him.

Yeah, yeah. 18 and a half and then AD just whatever. Yeah. We all know what this guy is. He's a different. Yes. He taught me about like biting goals, getting guys going one way, taking them the other way, double slaps, all that different things.

So he used to make me work the cross shop non-stop every day. But then he started teaching me how to. set it up different ways. Yeah. It wasn't until going into my third year that I took all of Saps tape and I went to his 20, no, his 1990, 1999 and 2000. 1999, he had 12 and a half sacks. He was a defensive player the year.

2000, he had 16 and a half sacks. He didn't win. defensive player the year, but they took a sack from him. He really was supposed to lead the league in sacks a year. So I just took those two get told two years and I studied them. Yeah. Studying them, studying them, studying them. And I kept watching how he was setting this up. How was he setting this up? How was he setting this up? And then once I finally started getting it to land, I knew, okay, I can do anything off the setup of a cross chat. I used to call it skating. So when you think about a person, ice skating, they get.

go in and out like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you go in and out, now you make the office alignment have to think, okay? So if you step at him, he might stop his feet, he might sit back, but if you're doing like this, you can react to anything. So if he oversets you, if you go out, you can come right back in. Yeah. If you go in, you can go right back out. And that's how I started setting up my cross shot. But then when Joe Cullen showed up, when Joe Cullen showed up in 2014, he really took my game to the next level. In 2014, I didn't have the most sacks I ever had in the season. But that was the year that I got to the quarterback more than I ever have in my entire career.

And then I started just, that's when he taught me how to study the game. He taught me how to break down opponents. He taught me how to use, have my fastball, have my change up. He taught me how to set up my power. He taught me square principle, all of that stuff. So, I mean, it's a lot, but it's really not. It's just about your opponent. You stick to the square principle.

Get the offensive guard out of that square because they don't want to move. Yeah. Okay. If you're rushing on the edge, you got your set line, four yards behind the tackle, the outside foot. And once you know those principles, you can do anything. You just got to know who you are. And Joe told me, this is who you are. Just do that.

Don't try and do all these different moves. You don't need them. Yep. Yeah, I think you have more power to your game that you get credit for. G, just with that, that, that, get off that we all know you have. Everyone wants to oversight you and you power that inside half, you know what I mean? Right at the quarterback level.

Something that I appreciate about you too. But I got a question. I think just going, you're talking about batchups and how certain rushes align well with certain guys interior O. Lyman, what they like. You said before the six hardest guys you had to go against, and these are some guys that

I agree with you completely. But the guys you had, Trent Williams, Colicio Assembly, who is an absolute monster. I remember playing him. Yeah. And I think is Baltimore one time. We played him Chris in 2017, like right before Christmas when we were in Philly in the snow and he was an absolute, just like huge, huge dude. Marshall Yonda is another guy in Baltimore.

I remember I could, I'm trying to bullrush him one time because he's a little bit undersized and got absolutely nowhere with it. Like he's stoned the shit about just being like, oh God. Zach Martin, Davin Joseph and Carl Nix. I feel like a lot of these are like bigger body dudes on the inside. Another one that I'd maybe put on that list is like Mike Ayupati. remember that dude he was a big

yeah so you Mike I played Mike Mike was my draft class so I played Mike right times I had Mike figured out I played him and he was in San Fran for a while

and figured out I had once I had Mike figured out I didn't put him on a list because I knew what he was good at and what he couldn't do and I knew I could capitalize on certain things

so Mike was good but I didn't put him on that list all the people on that list there was a point in time where I was like hey man this dude like it don't matter what you do right yeah yeah you're going out of your list and you're like shit i got nothing in the bag shit i didn't have to figure out mike

iupati i just had to see him on the counters that they were running uh in san francis governor yeah exactly man um how about ronde barber man you played with him one year i guess uh he's a uva guy i'm a big fan of his and he's finally getting his recognition uh that i think is long overdue what was it like kind of watching him work and be the field general down there. So, first of all credit to Ronde for what he was to my favorite team and the organization I

played most of my years with, like you said, this is long overdue, but it's here now and it's very deserving. Yeah. As a young guy, you walk in and, you know,

you know, you know, you know, kind of no guys, but the Bucks were not like a, I mean, I was the third pick, so obviously they wasn't that great. You know, so they didn't have a lot of big names or whatever, but Ronde was still there, and you grew up a Bucksman, and you walk in the locker room at Rondea Bauer's. Fanboy.

Jesus Christ. And then he had his own office. It was like, you know what it's crazy is, uh, Bo, you know, the linebacker's room, you know, next door to the D-Line room. That was Ronde's office. Oh, really? Yeah. That was Ronde's office when he was there.

And to watch him prepare, they Ronde gave me like a false sense of what the NFL was. Yeah. Because Ronde had his own office. During training camp, he had his own trailer that sat outside that he slept in. Like Ronde basically was like coach, but he played. And he had so many like allowances where I was like, dang. He was on that Russell Wilson.

program from last year. He was, man, listen, I was looking like, man, I got to get there. Yeah. Not knowing like, come on, man, like most people don't get there. So to see him prepare the way he did, he wouldn't practice every day. But in meetings, team meetings, player meetings, locker room on the field, the ultimate professional. And you'll see Ronde move around. And you're like, dang, about time to hang it up.

And then he come out Sunday and it's like, he's still doing this. That's called tort all. And it was his mind, man. He knew everything that was happening. And Ronde being not a bigger guy, Ronde is one of the first people I've seen in the NFL to have a, like a bullish mentality, but be a small guy. Yeah. Like he was cussing people out.

on the field. Like, he didn't back down from nobody. And he just, he had this, this anger he played with. But it was all, like, controlled aggression. And I think that came from being on that defense he was on. He just carried that mentality over. And he did his best to try and, like, teach us that mentality. But we just didn't have all the necessary pieces to be what he was used to.

I mean, he had two first ballot Hall of Famers. in Warren Sap and Derek Brooks. He had a, you know, another Hall of Famer in John Lynch himself. Then you had Simeon Rice who, I don't know if he's going to get in, but I mean, 100 plus 120 plus sack. Like, these are two types of people he have on the, you know, on his team. So that's what he's used to. Yeah.

So at times he would get frustrated because we had a lot of knuckleheads, but we have talent. Yeah. But just what I learned from him and, And the one thing he did did for me, which I always give him credit. And I had to just relish this moment. He personally and publicly handed me the team. When he retired, he said, this is Gerald's team now. Yeah.

And I never took that for granted. And I always, like, carried that. And that's why I was the way I was with my teammates. Yeah. It's like, Ronday Pat, he didn't have to do that. He didn't have to say this is nobody's team. Yeah. I wasn't the quarterback, but he said, Gerald is the guy now.

This is his team. He said this. So for me, I got to protect my team. So if you disrespect my team, you say this about them, you do this, and that's just how I was. But Ronde really taught me that mentality. And, you know, I was, when he finally got in, I was just like, about time. Yeah. About time.

You said you had a little talent. There's one guy I wanted to ask you about that I played with. It was one of, you know, we were about the same age. And we ended up with on the nose about the same amount of sacks. And we finished our career together. Michael Bennett. You had Michael Bennett before he was Michael Bennett. And I used to watch the Bucks tape and say, this guy's going to be real good.

Pre-skinny shoulder pads, Michael Banner. Is that right when he came into those? He had a skinny shoulder pads in 2012. Yeah. He just didn't. It wasn't as publicized because Bucs wasn't on top. Yeah, exactly. exactly what what what what what what would you see from him what was it like playing with young crazy

ass mike uh mike was um because you played with mike what a year in philly we played a year in philly yeah yeah um and then against each other every fucking year in seattle so but so you know mike say and do whatever he feels whatever like mike came in a meeting one time this is like a true story he came in a meeting one time and said hey i just want to make an announcement i'm not listening to no white coaches today. Like, this was, this was a, that was the Mike Bennett. He came to practice one day and said, hey, he would just make announcements. Hey, coach, coach, hey, look at my feet.

I came out here barefoot so y'all knew I wasn't practicing it. This is Mike Bennett. Yeah. But what Mike did, Mike was a computer. Yeah. He could download, like, a whole offense. Yeah. Not practice all week.

And some of the things you've seen him doing Seattle, he was doing in Tampa, but we had Greg Shiano. Yeah. He wasn't allowing Mike to do all that. So when he got to Seattle, Pete was letting Mike make plays. So we had all the way up until last year with the Raiders, Gus Bradley, he inserted certain defenses and he had certain, like, calls for the D-line. Yeah.

that he took because Mike did it on his own. If Mike knew a play was coming, he would literally just move and line up in the gap. Because he knew it was coming. Mike did not play within the scheme. He didn't play defense. Well, guess what, 11, 12 years later, he didn't either. No, he's not playing within the scheme of the defense because he's thinking,

this is stupid. I know where the ball's going. This is all they can do for my next. I'm going to just go over. He was literally just walk over there. Yeah. And Gus put stuff like that into his defensive scheme because Mike would just do it.

And he said, that do make sense. So I'm going to just put that in the defense. Yeah. And Mike, as much as he, you know, was a knucklehead,

meaning like, he's just a funny guy, just a crazy guy. He loved the game. Yeah, he does. But Mike wasn't about to kill himself over the game. Like, he would say all the time,

like, hey, man, I got a wife and kids. I'm not dying for y'all. Yeah. I'm talking about, like, he would tell a coach, like, hey, You think that I'm a black man in America and I'm about to let this white man kill me.

I won't get to see my kids no more. You're not about to kill me. I'm not practicing. That was Mike. But then he'll show up on game day and you get Mike Bennett. In that high pitch voice. And that high pitch voice. Oh, my God.

Mike is still one of my best friends. Like, he's one of those Bowellons that I have. I don't have a short list, but Mike is on their list. Yeah, if you call Mike and me and Mike talk on the phone, you know, every few weeks or every month. and I got to clear my schedule because we're going to be on the phone for a long time. Oh, yeah. And he's highly intelligent.

He's highly intelligent. All he does is read books. All he does is read books. Mike is highly intelligent. All right. Let me ask you this about the bucks, man. They pump faked everybody. They thought the cream sickles were coming back

because of that video they put out last week, but it turned out it was just the mascot. How did you wear those ugly-ass uniforms for so long and be so productive? Do you think those uniforms were as ugly as? I thought they were, especially when y'all switched to those like shot clock numbers. The digital numbers are brutal, man. And do you think they need to go back to the cream sickles?

No, I hated the cream sickles. Wow. Oh. We never won a game in them. Well, that could have had something to do with some of the stuff you were talking about earlier. Yeah. Like the talent level. We never want to game in them.

And I just feel like optics are everything. And I believe in energy. And the bucks, when you look at those uniforms, everybody will say like, oh, yeah, they look cool. Okay, but what are they associated with losing? The bucks worst years or why the bucks have like the lowest winning percentage over a span of all like franchises. It's like those uniforms were being worn.

Yeah. When Warren Sapp and the Derek Brooks is of the world drafted, they wore those for one season. And then they switched over to the red and pewter. Yeah, you might be. I mean, you make a good point. You make a good point. I'm just to look good, feel good, play good guy, you know?

Yeah. And I mean, it's fine. Like, well, first time we wore them, I was, oh, this is icy. Yeah. And then we lost. Then we wore them again. And then we lost. And then we wore them again.

Play good, but we lost. I was like, man, don't put these on no more. Too much bad, ju-do, man. Yeah, I was like, don't wear these no more. So, I mean, if they bring them back, cool. but I want to just me. I want to ask you. You know the history of the franchise, that uniforms associated with losing.

Yeah. It is. It is. They're up there with the Saints as far as like having the, you know, the Saints had the brown paper bag, the fans with the bags over their heads. The bucks were terrible. But one thing before I asked you about Carolina was, I thought it was one of the coolest things I ever heard about like a teammate doing

something for another teammate or a group of teammates doing something for another teammate. When you were in Carolina, from what I understood, stand, your son had a football game. Maybe it was. Maybe it was senior night. Yeah. He was going to play San Fran. Yeah, and you couldn't go, obviously, because of the job.

And tell the people what happened. Yeah, so, like I said, it was easy for me to get home. So if my son played on a Friday, I'll tell coach, like, hey, I'm going to fly home. My son got a game. I'll be back. Cool. I was a vet at this, both 10 years in. It was like, man, you're a pro.

You'll be back. it was senior night and we played San Fran. You guys know, which a lot of fans might not know, if you're on the East Coast or usually like not West, you fly on Friday instead of Saturday. Yeah. So because we were traveling, I couldn't go to the game. Right.

But Donovan Smith, Levanti David, James Winston and Mike Evans, all went and stood in place for me to walk on the field with my son for senior night. And my wife did not tell me that this was taking place. She just sent me a picture of it. And I'm sitting here like on the plane. I'm glad it was like the lights was out.

Everybody was sleeping because I'm like sitting in my seat just crying. I know everybody would like, is this dude scared to fly? You know, but that just meant that meant a lot to me. And I think it's just a testament of like how I looked at my teammates as my brother. and we just supported each other. And that's just how it was, man. And those guys forever are a family to me. You know, and that meant a lot.

It meant a lot to him. And everybody, you know, to his teammates and everybody in Stas is like, man, how the heck do he get to? And they had security. So I know it was blowing everybody's mind because security, they walk with them and they, nobody else can come over here.

They come up for this and then they're going to leave. Yeah. They didn't come here to sign autographs and do all these pictures and stuff. I know it was like, how did he get access to them? Yeah. You know, but. Yeah.

That's amazing, man. I'll never forget hearing that. When you went to Carolina, man, I heard a story that you had bought your number and it was $250K. Was that true? Yeah, it was. What goes into for people at home? And that's a big price tag.

That's a huge price. Well, sometimes they just give your number away, gee, you know? Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes you have to pay for nothing. I wasn't going to pay it. I wasn't going to pay it at all. And I was like, true.

I'm going to just have to switch over. But you know what's crazy? It's just go. The person who convinced me to pay it was my wife. She said, just pay it. I'm like, that's easy for you to say. I have to go make this back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But she was like, listen, sent from the time you step foot at, oh, you've worn his number. All of the optics of everything you'll do, any pictures you're, have. This is what people know you by. Your family, your kids, you're going to remember every jersey you have. If you have this number from the time you get to owe you all the way until you retire, that's going to mean something to you. Yeah. And I was like, if the wife says it's okay, I'm going to just pay it. You know, and it was just like I had my signing bonus and stuff. And when you make a certain level of money, that is a lot. Yeah, it's like, I'm about to make this right back. So. Yeah, exactly. Who was it that got the bag?

Kyle look. Oh, okay, cool. He's fucking still living off that. It actually makes sense, though, gee, because then you don't need to buy a whole new chain with a new number. That's true. It actually pays for itself in that way. That's good to justify it.

Yeah. So Keeckley's there, right? Yes. Cam Newton's there. Yes. Starting with Cam Newton. Because you said, you know, I want to make this decision based on a proven commodity quarterback.

I know that, you know, the injuries, the attrition, the mileage, war on Cam. and that was maybe one of the first years, if not the first year, that it just started being really evident that maybe it was time to move on. What was it like playing with Cam after playing against him for so many years? And then how did he handle that whole process? Yeah. I say 2017, I believe, see, Bo, you was there at 18.

So they killed us in 2018. I'm trying to think what I think that that's when like they did those double reverses that beat us 42. 28. It was 2018. And then he did the the Peyton Manning, the reverse roll out of the goal line. Yep. Okay. I'm glad you said that.

Computer bow. And then we beat them again 2417 later in the season. So what happened was he, they did that. Remember that Thursday they played Pittsburgh and they started the game the same way. Chris McCaffrey took that long. It was like a swing route. He took it to the crib. And it's like, man, Carolina's on the roll again.

Yeah. Remember he went to throw that pass and he messed who showed up? Yep. That's when from that point on, Cam was never the same. Yeah. Remember even when we played them at home, he just, he didn't even finish the game. Yeah, he threw like two or three picks or something like that. Yeah.

We're like, God, damn. I thought James was on our team, man. Oh, God. Oh, my gosh. Remember a double eight. They called him triple A because he had picks. Exactly. Yep.

Yeah. He was, I mean, he was never the same. Yeah. So, um, fast forward to 2019.

He has surgery. He's feeling great. And Cam is a phenomenal teammate. Yeah. Everybody who's wondering why people love him so much. He is. I was with him for one year in New England. I say exact same thing.

He's not. He's not a great teammate. Great teammate. Great guy. I ate lunch with him like every day, man. I was on IR. Yeah. He loved to steer at thunder,

but great, great fucking teammate. No, no. No, I'm glad you can stamp this because when I tell people this, they like, really? I'm like, listen, stop letting the media tell y'all who people are. Listen to the guys that are in the locker room with these people. Pam is a phenomenal teammate. He's a great dude.

Cam used to like, when he's in Carolina, you know, he would have a meal here and there for the team. He, I, Cam was just a great guy. Always motivation. They had like this little, this little basketball. We used to play like Big in the locker room. He would organize the tournament and all that. Cam was a great guy.

What happened with Cam is that people forget is that year he broke his foot in preseason against New England. Remember he was supposed to be out for a couple weeks. He decided to play anyway.

He played we had the Rams opening day. He did okay. Where you really seen Cam struggling is Bowling. We played y'all Thursday night football second week of the season. Oh, yeah. Remember, he tried to turn.

Remember, he tried to turn the corner? All we needed was that first down. Yep. And we could kick the field going to win against fourth down. He tries to turn the corner. He can't get around Vernon Hargraves. Let's be honest. Yeah.

Ham Newton, Vernon Hargraves. Who are you taking in a one-on-one? Run him over, man. he couldn't get past Vernon Hargraves. That's what everybody knew, okay, his foot is really like, his foot is messed up. And he didn't play the rest of that season.

And he kind of went through what I went through in Tampa. He felt slighted. He felt like the Panthers didn't protect him. He felt like everything he had done. They didn't, they were, didn't treat him like he felt necessary. And he took it.

man like he took camp in he took that hard and you know i don't think he had any hard feelings towards carolina which as we seen he went back yeah but yeah he didn't he didn't take that too well because like internally you could see like it was kind of like a all right we good that's move on you know it was like that's not how you do this yeah yeah yeah and then keekly that was the year he he had the concussions right i mean that that was were you were you had no he had already had the You know, the little neck, they put the thing right in there to put the blood up top. So that year Luke played all, that year Luke played every game. Yeah.

I think 2018 and 17 is when the concusses were really bad. Yeah. So that was his last year of the year you played with him? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Was it shocking to the guys when he hung it up? Absolutely. Yeah.

It was shocking because we knew he had so much left. Yeah. But it wasn't shocking because we knew like the extensiveness. of those concussions. So when he hung it up, like if you played with him or was in the locker room with him, you knew like,

that's probably smart. Yeah, I was happy he made that decision because, I mean, he had done everything he could possibly do on the field.

It's like, you got to start thinking about your family. I want to finish with a couple fun things here, man. Well, it depends on your answer,

I think. But you're an NBA fan. We like the NBA. Yes. Paul George made news last week. He said something to the effective

that he, thinks basketball players would make the transition way better than football. I do not disagree with him. I think basketball players on its head in this argument because of the scale level necessary and probably somebody like a Westbrook or Dame Lillard could probably play some defensive back position. You know, like I'd like to see PJ Tucker try to play football too. I think he's got a football mindset. There's a guy down in New Orleans that I think all of us would agree probably could play. Zion? Yes. Well, here's the problem.

And there's a dynamite. There's a dynamite lead in to my point, which is that I think for one day they could show up and they'd have enough. But like, you're talking about the league that's got load management, man. You couldn't get through a training camp. I saw Cam Jordan be like, dude, like you really think you get through one of Sean Peyton's training camps. I think the contact, the physicality, and the mindset, the mentality would be the biggest barrier to those guys continuing to play. Now, there might be an NFL player out there who's got enough game that maybe he could have done something else.

But I agree with him with that one big asterisk. How did you guys feel, gee, especially you, when you saw that quote? I actually answered this Friday on the Carton show. Yeah. One of our topics. Yeah. And Carton believed that which let me know, I don't know what he feels like he knows about football. He said you could take a dynamic.

make quarterback and he could go play in the NBA. I'm like, no, because a big cornerback, a big cornerback in the league is 6-1, 6-2. Exactly. Steph is 6-3. Yeah. You're not going to the NBA and doing nothing. Like, relax. Yeah. But I agree

that if you have to pick who could go where, they could come to our sport before we could go to theirs. Yes. But could they be successful? Eh. Yeah. Like, I don't think people understand what training camp is, man.

Like, when you sitting, if you sit and I sat and I sat with the Raiders because I did an acclamation period because I was coming off a knee injury. So I would just do individual, do a little pass rush period every now and then, but for the most part, I didn't practice

until the final week of preseason. I played in the final preseason game and then that's what it was. So I sat and really like watch 907 and watch like pod. That's what gets you watching it. And I really just sat and watched it. I said, man, there's no way that we're doing this every single day.

Every day. And in Tampa, the horn blew at 8.30. And in Vegas, the horn blew at 8 a.m. You mean to tell me at 8 a.m., grown men are running out here and just like, and the thing is, we're not just hitting each other. You're really playing with technique. Get your foot in the ground. Hand placement.

Don't get reached. Don't get pushed out. Don't do this. And individual, like a true D-line individual where you really rolling through and then they're like, all right,

John, I go off and we got pods. Sprint. That run from individual from pods, and they always put the D-line in the fucking corner of the five fields. So we got to run the furthest.

That's what I'm saying. Like we run the furthest, do pods and they're like, nine-07. It's like, bro, y'all didn't do nine-on-seven. And we just did. Yeah.

The O line always over there, just waiting on it. You're jogging from 300 yards away. Yeah, like LeBron's going to catch one ball. That's what I'm saying. And fucking Buda Baker is going to take his knees out. Yeah. And it's just going to be like, they wouldn't survive, no.

But I feel like they could transition better than we could. Because if you've ever said close enough, you ain't got to be courtside, but close enough at an NBA game to where you can see how fast that game is really moving. Like us, when we go to training camp or we play an NFL, game to us is moving like this. Mm-hmm. If you're standing on the sideline

and you, like, are not part of the game or have played in the game, it's doing this. Yeah, yeah. You don't know what's happening. And then boom, pass my home, through a touchdown. I was like, what the heck just happened?

Yeah. No, yeah. So if we tried to get out there in an NBA game with them knowing, okay, this pick is coming, this is how he moved, this, this, and try and get it, like, open in the NBA is this. Like, as long as you go, it's open.

Right. like move. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I believe they could transition over to us before we could go over there. Now surviving, I don't. So this is a perfect situation because you're an OU guy. I said last week on the pod, I said, I think this Austin Reeve guy is great, Austin Reeves from Lakers.

But I think I'm wondering, I asked my co-host, how many points do you think he'd score on me if they knew that I was on the floor and they just fed. him the ball in hopes that he would he would get as many shots as he could no help well normal amount of NBA help okay and my boy said 90 points I think that's bullshit I think I'm holding him to 38 what say you Gerald 65 I'm gonna can I read you can I read you what JJ Redick said to me this actually pretty funny uh because I had to text JJ because he he's real smart and he knows this stuff and he's a white guard in the NBA. Now I'm holding JJ to probably 28, I think. But here's what he said. I said, if they gave me

a tort all shot and I had to guard Austin Reeves for 48 minutes, how many points would, would he be able to score on me? J.J. said 48. I said, fuck no. He said, bro. I said, no, I believe you. How about Larry Nance Jr.? And he said he'd probably get 27 to 29 on you. So I don't know, maybe. These guys are so skilled, man. I've watched like NBA warm-ups, and only a few people miss shots and warm-ups. These guys are like... Yeah.

And then if you watch, I watch the USA Triops. You know, they have... They bring all the guys. Everybody don't make the team, but they go practice and they do like the king of the court. Yeah. Like, if you see the skill on these guys, man, we're not guarding them.

Yeah. No, you're right. I just thought, you know, Austin Reeves, you know, in the spirit of Michael Bennett, I'd like to say I'm not letting any white guys score over 30 on me today. So, but awesome. He's easily getting 50. He is him.

Kristen, he is him. He is him. He said he's him. He said he's him. Okay. Last thing here. You're a Batman guy.

Mm-hmm. Okay? I want you to rank the Batman villains. Your favorite Batman villains. Let's go one through five. You got no particular order here. Joker, Ridler, Penguin. Mr. Freeze and Two-Face.

Or go off the board if you want. Or just like as a character as a whole. As a character. Joker, Ridler, Penguin, Two-Face, and who else? Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze. Let's kick ice. Joker's obviously number one.

You can argue Joker's the greatest villain of any genre or ever. So he's obviously number one. Okay, which character, which actor played Joker the best? Is it? Are you a Heath Ledger guy? See, I'm torn. Because I grew up on the Jack Nicholson Joker. Yeah.

Heath Ledger gave us a version that we never thought about the Joker being, which is, like, if you look at the Jack Nicholson version, it's like, that's clearly a movie. Yes. Heath Leisure could be anybody. Yes. Or Joaquin Phoenix even, too. Like, anybody. You see what I'm saying? Like, they could be anybody.

Yeah. But then he Mark Hamill, like the animated Joker, that voice and how long he's played their character. I always put him in the mix. Okay, so Joker's one. Heath Ledger is like, you know. Jokers won. Okay. And then after that, I got Penguin.

I love the Penguin. I don't know why. Penguins too for me. Mr. Freeze, Arnold Schwarzenegger, an all-time classic performance. Oh, well, listen, man,

I hope you stub your tone at death. An all-time great performance. That is the worst. Like, they picked Arnold Schwarzenegger is Mr. Freeze and George Clooney as Batman.

George Clooney? So I get back. Like, get the heck out of here. It's Tim Byrne, man. What do you expect? So I guess George Clooney's not

your favorite Batman ever. No, no. So I, uh, I got Penguin 2. I'm going to go Ridler 3. Mr. Freed for Two Faces, Five.

Oh, wow. A little upset there at the end. Okay, which actor played the Batman the best? I'm a Michael Keaton guy for the same reason. Michael Keaton is, to me, far and above everybody. Okay. That's great. That's great.

He's got good take. My take on Batman is, I believe people have to separate Batman and Bruce Wayne. Yeah. There's two different because he, his persona as Bruce Wayne is not his persona as Batman. Yeah. Like, um, like Twilight. I felt like he was a phenomenal Batman. He's horrible Bruce Wayne.

Yeah. Like he hair flips and all the gothic acting and all that. I hate him. The new Batman, I love the movie, but I hated his Bruce Wayne. That's so interesting. I thought, I thought, um, Michael Key for sure is one. I actually like Bafleck more than most people like. Oh, interesting.

That's a hot take here. But you would know. I mean, you're the resident expert on Batman right now. But the thing is, here is where I tell people, man, people have to, in the dark night. Okay. What's my man's name? I really got hit. Christian Bell?

Christian Bell. God, I got it. Just early. It's Monday. Christian Bell. He was not a good Batman. The movies were good. Think about it.

We never made fun of Batman like jokes until he did this stupid voice. That was his idea. That was the dumbest thing ever. Like that voice was stupid. Where's Rachel? Rachel! That's stupid. Like, that was stupid.

Like, his fighting style sucked. His fighting style was horrible. Batman. Those were some of the best movies, though, G. What did you just say? Best movies. Yeah, exactly. I just said the movies were phenomenal.

Yeah. The movies were phenomenal. It's not about the movie. His, okay, think about it. In the first one, in Batman begins, the fight scenes were all flashes. Yeah. You've never seen him fighting. They were just flashes of fighting scenes.

Yeah. The second one, they actually showed the fighting scenes and he was real like, like Batman is a ninja. Yeah. Like, that's what he is. He's a ninja. Why is he fighting so stiff? Yeah, exactly. And then he got whooped all of.

he got whooped the whole movie of the third one. But he really, like, he just wasn't a good Batman. Like, I think he was bad, but like, for people with Christopher Bell,

period, I'm like, nah. All right. He was a great Bruce Wayne, but not a great one. Some of the, you're going to get some,

some arguments from people. This is good. I always do. Okay, so Gerald's been great. We, we just got an ESPN alert that, that Jalen Hertz signed a $255 million dollar extension.

Oh, 179 guaranteed five years with no trade clause. I love Jalen Hertz, highest player in NFL history, highest paid player in NFL history. It begs the question, and I'll let you guys both answer this, and then we're going to wrap this up. Who is the hardest quarterback you ever had to tackle?

Toughest when you got your hands around him to get him down. Maybe it had to do with a little bit of athleticism, how hard it was to get there, but who stood out to you? Oh, I mean, we talked about Cam, a little bit earlier. I remember when we were in Tampa, gee, we were playing Cam. I came around on a T.E. Had a nice win and Cam was standing in the pocket.

I was on his backside and I hit him right in the square of the back. And I thought I'd like clean him good and he went down so slowly, man. I got up. I was seeing stars. I was fucked up from that. He broke my rib. He was so hard to take down, man. And like from, you know, 2010 to 2018 or whatever when he had that stretch, he was really Superman out there man he was always hard and then I always had a hard time with Russell too just because he was super

mobile and Seattle and he never really knew where he was going to be in the pocket that deep back shoulder roll for a tackle that's really hard for an end for an end in space stacking Russell's great because he's gonna he's gonna bail out the back exactly so here's here's my

how I feel a lot of people bring up Russell Wilson like Beau did for Russell Wilson if you beat your guard clean Rosal Lewis is not very hard to sack he's little What are you trying to say about BG Am I getting clean wins over here?

He ducks He ducks and falls down too He goes down easy I mean like a loosening He actually can make you miss But if you like get to him he's going down Yeah So I never put him on the

hardest quarterback to Get on the ground list Cam undoubtedly is number one the reason I say Cam is undoubtedly number one is because he can move like Lamar Jackson but he can stand there like Ben Roslisberg yeah right Ben Roslisberger is my number two

I tried to sack Ben Roslisberg I did sack him but they had to blow the you know the same thing blow the whistle I was like little giants I was like and my hand was broke I had a club oh so I hit him and he's just like like going side to side I'm like

please. I said, ref blow the whistle. Like Ben Robertsberger, I don't think if you ever trying to hit then, like, that is a tough guy to get on the ground. But Cam, for sure. Now, I don't know about Josh Allen. I've never played. But we scrimmage against him. We played him in preseason, but that's not really the plan. But Cam, because he was so elusive, he did that backdoor spin out. Cam's the first person I ever seen you do that.

Like, I've seen Russell do it, so I was prepared for it because I had to play Cam twice a year. but Cam for sure because he's strong he was fast, he was elusive and it was yeah Cam Noon for sure I'll give you guys a wild card and I've done this on this show before but I don't know if you remember Tavares Jackson

I just wanted to shout him out God rest of soul but that guy was impossible to tackle it was like he was made of fucking concrete now he wasn't the best quarterback of all time and not the fastest but when you said he told them to blow the fucking whistle

I remember sliding down Tavares Jackson's leg like a stripper on a pole. Like the whistle was blown and I'm on the ground just holding his ankle and he's getting ready to throw a pass in five seconds. That guy deserves a lot of recognition for being an absolute unit in the pocket. You know, I'd put Russell on the list, you know?

But just because you never knew where his set point was, okay. Cam, obviously I told you he broke my rib. I hit him square in the back just like you Bowen Gator rolled him around. not the dirty gator roll that people are complaining about, but he landed on me and broke my rib. You know, I never got to play Lamar. I never got to play Josh. I would imagine if I played today,

I would have the hardest time sacking Josh Allen. I just feel like he's bigger than me. When you walk up to a quarterback and he's bigger than you, he's faster than you, you're looking up at him. I don't want that. I don't want those problems. Yeah. Donovan McDonnell was easy to get on the ground.

He was older. Yeah, he was tough. He was, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know who surprisingly? I was contemplating what I should bring this up because there's so many jokes that can come from this. Sean Watson?

Yes. Okay. You just kind of rub his shoulders. He's like. He's slippery, man. Let's just. Let's close it out, man. he's surprisingly strong.

I don't know how. He has so much strength left, but he's stronger than you think. Okay, there you go. There you go. That's a good way to end it. Gerald McCoy, newly retired, truly one of the best I ever saw do it.

Amazing technician, awesome guy. And a bucks legend. I don't care what anybody says, man. So I appreciate you, man. Before you finish, you know what happened one time? I always respected you because you kept it 100. Chris said,

hey, listen, best he tackle I've seen in my time of playing was Jerome McCoy. And then Aaron Donald showed up. I was like, yeah, it was like two years in. It was like two years in.

AD showed up and he was like, I think next to Gerald, hey, you know, I've never seen nobody like this. And he was playing with him. Yeah. This was the second year when he took off. He was like, yeah, it's him.

Yeah. He's the guy. I'll always say. You know, as a competitor, you're sitting there like, ah, he had a, you know, he had a good breakout year. Yeah. Whatever. And then the next year, he only had eight sex. So I'm like, mm, I knew it.

Uh-huh. He's good. He can get there. And then he got 20. I was like, oh, my. But you were complimented. So there you go, you know. Yes, I was.

But it was so funny because he was like, yeah. And then this guy showed up. And then I'm like, I remember Corlin Finnegan did me like that. Cortland Finnegan. Corlin Finnegan was like, man, I used to think you were a great deal. lineman, I said, maybe one of the best I play with. Then that Robert Quinn showed up, and I don't even

I'm like, you know what, that's fair as fuck, though. Yeah, like, to me, it's just me. And then we could be done. I'm biased to my generation and my time. I think he's the best ever. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I just think he's the best D.D. shoots.

You can argue the best D. Limeon ever, but I agree. You tackle for sure. I agree. Respect to Aaron Donald. Yeah. And respect to Gerald McCoy. We hope you come back, bro. We got another year in the business. You got to come wrap with us, man. We got a broker, a peace deal with you and Seth.

Yeah, we'll set that up. And I got a couple other stories. I want to get you on the air about too. Good. We'll get them back. Listen, I'm retiring now. So I'm going to say everything I feel like. We fucking love it.

We fucking love it. All right. The stuff I would say, I ain't going to move no jobs over it. People might call me. It'll be like, man, when I see you, well, Well, they have your number. We just talked about it. Thanks, brother.

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If you want to quit weed, just go to Mexico. You know, you get enough of that Mexican weed. You don't want it anymore. Hey, I want to ask you a question about Mexico since we're back. And is this a code break? I got a lot of shit for this. We were on the beach ordering food. And I ordered some mashed potatoes.

Ooh. I'm wrong with that? Nothing. It's just not a beach food, I guess. People were making fun of me. They were pointing and laughing. shoveling mashed potatoes into my mouth. They were hot, yeah?

Yeah, they were hot. What was the temperature outside? 85. Yeah. Those people are guilty of group think. You should eat what you want. I, too, am guilty of group think. I'm Irish.

So another code break question for you guys. On my way back, it was struggle bus. You know, like when you leave a city and you're just like, that city kicked my ass. And you haven't eaten, you haven't seen. you haven't slept. Maybe it took an edible, which is hitting you really hard. Maybe.

And you say, I need some food before I get on the plane because I don't want to eat United food. Shout to Anthony Bourdain. He said, never eat airplane food. I got some habachi, right? Chicken, vegetables, little rice. Had that bad boy under my seat. You know, people walking on the.

the plane by me. I heard somebody say, it stinks on here. And so the room starts spinning like Mr. Crabs for me. And I am just like everything, anybody's whispering to each other. I think they're talking about my habachi. And like, you know, like I saw somebody kind of like, you know, nod their head towards my. And I'm just like, you know, I've heard people complain about if you bring stinky food on an airplane. And you were in first class. Yeah. Is it, is it like a code break? look you're signing up for a terrible experience no matter what it's it's like printed on the back of the ticket some guy might bring on stinky food

but that's the that's the thing you're worried about I wouldn't say code break I mean no it's if it's in the airport talking about me you think no you just said it yourself you were I think no no you just said you popped an edible you're probably paranoid because of the other

I probably was but anytime And I think anytime you're on a plane and you do smell something, the first thing you look is one for a baby or two for someone eating food. They also might have been like, oh, that's Chris Long or like, oh, look at those tattoos. No, I'm looking at. Or that's Chris Long eating some nasty smell of food. Yeah. I mean, you didn't say, hey, could you heat up this salmon I made last night in your airplane microwave?

Yeah. Anyways. Any show or movie you caught on that plane that you liked? Blackbird, which is an Apple TV series. It's really fucking good. It kind of like, it reminds me a mind hunter. If you've seen mine hunter, this guy Larry played by Paul Walter Houser,

was a show stealer. The guy was great. Well, he was one of the two main characters, but he was awesome. This is real, real story, true story? Based on a true story, yeah. Guy goes to prison. He's a gun runner and dealing cocaine,

son of a cop. That's the real guy. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah. And there's a serial killer. in there. And so they transfer him to Springfield, Missouri,

which is like it houses all the nuts, including this Larry Hall guy. And they're trying to force a confession out of him. They took a liking to this guy, Jimmy, who was the gun runner and thought he was a great I don't know, candidate

to go in there, you know, not an FBI guy, but somebody who's on the inside and get a confession out of this cat. And it was crazy. Because if you imagine, he's the only guy in the prison that knows he's working for the feds. So it's not like he can go to the guards. Gary. You know, he can't, yeah, he can't raise alarms.

Like he'd have a meeting sometimes with one person with the FBI on the outside. But he couldn't leave Springfield. I mean, he was locked up. I wonder if that's ever happened. Somebody's been undercover and, like, the people who know they're undercover, like, die or something happens to them. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah.

And so it was like to get his sentence commuted, he had to complete this task. And if he didn't complete the task, he didn't get his decade knocked off. So I'm gonna watch this now. It was good and this guy was great. Nice. Me and Dr. Fax were debating this the other day.

Is it a code break to park at the gas pump itself when there's no spots and not pump gas to go into the station? 100%. It's not a code break to let the gas pump and go in. If you're going to be quick. But even if there's like a bunch of gas pumps open. No, you do this? I've done it.

That's bad. That's bad. That's not that bad. It's pretty fucking bad. It's really not that bad. It's really bad actually. If there are no parking places open. Well,

but there's multiple spots at the gas pump. That's slightly different, I guess. But that's bad. It's bad. And Matt, the people want to know, how is your weekend? NBA playoffs started this weekend. It was awesome.

Got to go to the game in Philly. Nick Siriani ring the bell You hook up With Nick Siriani No This has become a recurring bit Matt hooks up with a girl in Philly Yeah, fan of the pot

It was great Went to the game, enjoyed it Watch some basketball after Watch crazy rich Asians It was lovely evening It was a fuck fest I'm just going to power through Golden State Warriors

Sacramento was awesome game Deer and Fox looked amazing Memphis versus Lakers was an awesome game. Loved watching Austin Reeves, but then all the injuries that started happening. We had Jha after somebody tried to take a charge. It looked like he might have broken his hand. Janus, after somebody took a charge,

hurt his back. He tried to play through it. Then I had to pop out. And then Tyler Hero for the heat broke his hand, even made a three with a broken hand before he could come out as he was, like, writhing in pain, which I thought was kind of badass. but all the injuries is my red light.

Because it looked like it, it looked like it went in, but then on closer inspection, it looked like the bottom of the net. It was a narrow ball. It was it. Was it me or was that arena dead as fuck? Like,

especially in the beginning of the game when the heat were kind of out in front. It was dead. It was like a joke. Like they were showing the Milwaukee Park where everybody like gathers and drinks beers. Nobody was in there. And I understand it's like round one.

Like, you know, you're probably going to win. Even without Yonis, I think they probably win. But the heat are a problem. That culture, that's going to be a battle. You're always going to battle. Yeah, they are.

And you turned on the Phoenix game, and immediately it was like a cup of coffee. Yeah, the game was just more exciting. I mean, talk about exciting games. The Sacramento Golden State game was my favorite game I've seen in a long time. It was the most excited crowd I've seen an NBA game in years. Yeah. Probably because they were so thirsty for a whit and it's been 17 years since they've been in the playoffs. I also think that off-white court in Milwaukee is.

kind of it's like a tranquilizer a little bit well you wouldn't think there's a baby blue there's a royal blue surrounding the court and in the middle I thought about it was it a bevel conway situation that center logo was hot yeah it was hot state of Wisconsin with the diagonal bucks going down their like prep crew messing up like their primary court wasn't ready in time when it was supposed to be so they were still using their backup court yeah because they you know they had their like kind of I mean there were some blue in their uniforms but I kind of like the antler side uh the piping and You know.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's a pretty wide open playoffs and those injuries make it even more wide open. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Four lower seeded teams are up one zero. Yeah. Crazy. Very exciting. That's a high seeds game too. Scoring efficiently. Who needs to do that? Three for 19.

Three for 19. But like a million assists, a million rebounds. And all the hustle plays, man. At the end of that game, it was like, I was hyped. When he blocked the shot. and then threw it off Homeboy's leg. He got fouled at the other end, like hit his free throws.

I mean, Brody was out there doing his thing. And I was happy to see it. You can see how much confidence plays into things and fit. But he kind of looks like he's rejuvenated. And I honestly felt bad for him at times over the last couple years because he became this pop culture laughing stock among like NBA fans. And he's had a great career.

And he's fun to watch. Absolutely. 36 minutes. I want a red light automation one more time. The guy from Google was on last night on 60 minutes. These people are fucking idiots. What have we done in society? He's like, this is the biggest development in human history.

I'm like, okay, think of all the other ones we've had. Like, uh, medicine. Yeah, Zen. I got Osama Zin Laden in right now. So, um, medicine. What do we do? We, we privatize it. We abuse it.

We don't actually get people to care that they could. Oh, let's invent like weapons, right? So we can hunt and resolve conflicts. We're going to drop a bomb on Nagasaki one day. What else do we have? Whoa, oh, oh, oh, transportation. We ruin the planet. Drugs, we put fentanyl in it.

Like everything great that human beings have ever done was obviously impressive, but we didn't know where the point of diminishing return was. Like language. Now we have podcasts. Exactly. You're right, exactly. Now we have red light green light.

So, oh, food. Let's give everybody cancer. You know, and make them fat. Yeah. So these people think it's going to be different with artificial intelligence. These people make my skin crawl, dude.

I don't, I don't know how you think this is going to work. out. And I'm not like a guy who, yes, as soon as these things become sentient, it's going to be a Terminator Judgment Day thing. But the job loss, the fucking plagiarism, the misinformation, dude, we literally fall for it now with like the most basic guerrilla warfare tactics when it comes to misinformation. What are we going to do when you start to see your favorite politician, we already have, seeing and saying and doing

whatever the fuck the creator of the, the media, wants that person to do. What are we going to do? What are we going to do when we're like, I like that song. That's Drake in the weekend. Nah, this is an AI generated song

that actually sounds like Drake in the weekend. Like, we're fucked, dude. I don't know. You could say that, but you could also, like, what if you could listen to the Highway Men's next, album that never existed and you loved it.

You'd have to, you'd have to show me that. You would, but also, like, you might be able to show me like one or two examples where you're like, oh, that's good. But largely, it's going to be, it's going to be really fucked up. What happens? Would something like that diminish it, though? If,

say, the highway men did come out with an album and it's an AI generated one, you knowing that it's an AI generated album, does that diminish at all? Well, yeah, it's not them. You could love it. You'd be like, wow. No, they could, you know, there could be these like individual artists that create AI music and they battle to see who's the best at it.

And you know inherently that it's, yeah, but still. There's also the potential to learn from it. So, like, chess players today are the best chess players that they've ever been because they've learned from the computer strategies that humans were incapable of understanding. So, like, there's the possibility. that we could learn from them in a way that could help our lives. The only way that it would help, they would first have to show me how, all right, if there was a robot that's going to solve all the problems.

The first problem I'm going to ask him is like, how do we stop you from fucking this whole thing up? Somebody responded earlier because I had tweeted about it. They were like, well, I think what he's trying to say is that like everybody's too dumb right now. Like you really trust the people that did all the things I just talked about, the people that got us right where we are in the world today. to know where the point of diminishing return is on it.

I don't think so. I don't trust them. So like chess, yeah, you're going to figure out the moves that we don't currently know how to make, but in the process, everybody's going to be unemployed. A bunch of people are going to be getting divorces

because all of a sudden there's a video of them getting a blowjob by an ATM machine, and it's not them. And, and, you know, there's going to be robots that, that hack, they hack into the mainframe and do all that.

I'm not buying it, dude. Red light. Wouldn't, wouldn't it make, like, presidential doubles and, like, doubles of famous people a lot easier?

You wouldn't have to find a real person. You have an AI double that looks exactly as a human. Yeah, so again, it'd be like, oh, Tom Cruise, you don't have to do your own stunts anymore.

And they're going to be even better. He will always do his own stunt. But then, but then what with all the serious stuff is all I'm saying? How about the wheel? Can you poke any holes into the wheel? The wheel. I'm just thinking of past inventions

that maybe we're, spot on. Could this be another wheel? Could it be another? Wheel leads to climate change. Yeah, it did. Cotton gin. Why do we always have to learn about the cotton gin? Eli Whitney. I'll never forget that. Proximity. If it changed farming in America, we could like produce way, way, way more cotton. And then that created transatlantic trade. It wouldn't be an Eli Whitney if chat GBT was around back then. Right. Right. So yeah, again, bad. Okay. All right. Well, maybe just everything is bad.

Your today, our tomorrow is Conan O'Brien's 60th birthday. I just want to shout out Comedy Legend. He wrote the Monorail episode of The Simpsons. His late night show was like must-see TV for me for years and years and years and years. And right now he's a podcast legend, one of the biggest podcasters in the country. He's been doing this stuff for like 35 years right now. And I know the guys here haven't seen as much Conan, but if you ever have time, watch Ice Cube, Kevin Hart and Conan,

help a student driver or any of Conan's stuff with his producer, Jordan Shalansky. It makes me cry laughing like every time. Happy birthday. Take care.