Green Light with Chris Long - GLP Ep 666! Remembering Bill Walton & NFL News Updates: New Training Camp Proposal & Justin Jefferson Trade Rumors!

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Our 666th episode, Chris and Macon bring you some magic from Studio J! We start with a couple of Hellos, one of them being to the former Shibe Park in Pennsylvania and pay tribute to the baseball magic that happened in that magnificent stadium. We then pay our respects to Bill Walton, who lived life to the absolute fullest. We remember Bill for always seeing the good, preaching positivity and always having fun. Gone far too soon, we talk about his best moments as a broadcaster, his meaningful quotes and the impact he left on all of us. We move on to the NFL, where we cover the Justin Jefferson trade rumors, the potential new NFL Training Camp dates and determine who would be more successful: an NFL offense playing defense OR an NFL defense playing offense? We finish with a little fun, a good episode from the fellas today! (00:00) - Green Light's 666th Episode (5:00) - Hello!: Shibe Park, former Baseball Stadium in Philadelphia (10:21) - Remembering Bill Walton (34:10) - New NFL Training Camp Proposal? (59:00) - Justin Jefferson on the Trade Block? (1:15:12) - Who would be more successful: an NFL offense playing defense OR an NFL defense playing offense? (1:28:20) - Home Alone House is for Sale Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And I just look at Bill and I'm like, if I could be more like Bill, I think Bill had it figured out. Like I think of all the athletes that have ever played American sports, legends, icons, find me one person that live life without imposing boundaries on themselves more than Bill Walton. I can't. I mean, he does not, he did not let basketball to find him. and he was terrific and steadfastly committed to that craft. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Thanks for jumping in today.

It's Chris and Macon in studio, hitting a number of topics. First of all, it's our 66th episode. So Macon and Chris both have a very unique place to say hello to. We then get into Chris's weekend. He was on the river. He tells us about it. We then talk about the unfortunate news of Bill Walton's passing, what he meant to us,

what we'll remember him by all of the great stories we saw on the timeline yesterday. We have a couple NFL topics for you all today. And we reminisce about Kevin McAllister's home now for sale in the Chicago area. Did they do it right? The controversy surrounding the sale. What Making Things About the House. A great episode for you all today. Thanks for staying around for it.

We've got a great rest of the week lined up. Make sure you come back. We'll catch you then. Are we going to talk about the devil? Monticello, Utah. Hello. I got a friend called Ray, who lives in an area here called Lake Monticello. Yeah.

But he calls it Lake Monticella. Uh-huh. He said, when are we going to get you over to Lake Monticella? Uh-huh. I said, hopefully not too terribly soon there, right? But no, Monticello, Utah is known for being the site of root, one of these sites of Route 666, that they had to change because all of them. of the quote, potheads were stopping and taking pictures

of the Route 66 sign in Monticello, Utah. Pretty dope looking place if you look at it. How do we know there were potheads? This is Green Lights 66th episode. Come October, it will be five years, and the math adds up, 666 divided by 4.75, that's about 140,000. shows a year, get you to about three a week. Devil's sinkhole in Texas, it's a menacing,

bad infested pit surrounded by dump piles burned by prehistoric people. The guano it accumulated, where at one point mine for fertilizer. That's one of these diabolical denominations, you know, around our country here. And then in Utah, there's the dirty devil river near Poison Springs Wash Road. Damn, that actually looks awesome. Whose illustrious visitors included Butch Cassidy, to hide out and then route 666 already referenced in the southwest so much you went real literal with this devil thing i just wanted to ask you if you think the devil's real no i don't no david putty is as real as it gets in terms of the devil see who's david putty uh signfeld got to support the team i don't watch that show yeah i think the devil is in hell right yeah it's really red and black and

has horns yeah and then if you're bad you go to hell with the devil and you got to be with the devil forever forever. And then if you're good, you go up above the clouds to heaven with God, who's this white guy, really old, with like long white hair and beard. And then it's pretty chill up there. It's chill. You're just in the clouds all day. There's no trees. There's no rivers to float. You just hang out in the clouds. Yeah. With all of your, you know, loved ones that have passed before you. Now, what form are they in? I think they're in their primes as you saw them. Okay. as you saw them, they're primes.

Like, if I get up to heaven and Bill Walton's like 11 years old. Right. Right. Exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, no, Bill's going to be like 60. His arms are going to be up in the air, tie-dye t-shirt.

Yeah. It's going to be your perfect vision of Bill. There's no dispensary he's up here. Like, what the fuck is this? You know? Can I say hello somewhere? Please. Shib Park, Pennsylvania.

Hello. You ever heard of Shib Park? Shide Park. Shibb. Shib Park. And then say the last part of it again? Park. And then after that, Shib Park.

There's nothing after that. All you said was Shib Park. Yeah, Shib Park. In Philly. Oh, in Philly. Shib Park. I'm not familiar. So I wasn't either.

Look it up. It's fucking gorgeous. It doesn't exist anymore. But it's an old ballpark. Okay. And I was looking at old ballparks this weekend. I had no idea this one existed. Okay.

So Shib Park, the reason I found out about this places on this day or just in 1961 i think dick allen actually hit it out of the whole stadium which is a big deal um it's 20th in lehigh north philly built in early 1900s good location trolley ran through there so that was a big deal

and they got it on the cheap because it was across the street from the smallpox hospital you ever have to sell anything across from the smallpox hospital like the owner was like yeah well i mean i'm not sure if our whole middle infield's gonna get smallpox but like like let's put it right across the street because it's cheap uh the athletics moved there in 1938 the phillies played in the 50s and 70s there uh it is a church now and this is a really unique building uh it looked it was like french renaissance kind of deal it was gorgeous beautiful

thousands watch from the surrounding blocks okay like people GA was wherever you sat on signs like 80 people would go on top of a rooftop outside of the outfield and sell tickets up there. So there were a lot of people watching the games that weren't even, you know, that weren't even in the stadium was the home of the $100,000 infield. Who could forget that stuffy McGinnis. Yep. Was the shortstop. That's the equivalent of $2.3 million today. So baseball was not that popular. Uh, the Eagles played there too. There's a lot of history in this game. And now it's just a fucking ugly church. Can you, uh, new church? Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not good. Uh, the stadium has some soldier field vibes to it. It does. Like, my point is why,

ever get rid of these things, man. Like when you, if they're going to demolish a stadium. Oh, no. Look at that dirt. It's hideous. Oh, no. That's hideous. It's a mega church.

The North Philly megachurch that replaced the city's lost cathedral of baseball, Shide Park. I just didn't know about this park. And if you live in Philly, you probably do know about this park, especially if you're older, and I think it's gorgeous. I cannot believe they ever tore this thing down. The coolest thing about it was when they, when they had the last game. Philly people, man.

They came in this place. They were leaving with the toilets, they said. Like, people were just leaving with stadium seats. Yeah. Uh, urinals. Like, it was just people running off with bases and shit like that. Like, they were just, they were taking the stadium with them. And, uh, and now it's, it's a megachurch. So I, called deliverance.

The deliverance mega church. That's my little history lesson for today. I was, I was just looking at, uh, you know, on this day in sports and they said, Dick Allen hit it out of Shib Park. I was like, let me see how impressive that is. And then I went out of this rabbit hole of these old stadiums. When they get rid of Soldier Field or whenever that is or like whatever happens to a field like that, like I would vote just leave it up there and make it a city park.

Agreed. You know, like like all stadiums should become city parks. Now, if it's a stadium, if it's like Arrowhead, nobody's going to be able to access that park. It's like two hours away. But there's plenty of places that in sports, they think about like just demolish this place. we're moving the stadium. Don't, man.

You don't know what. When's the next time somebody's going to be like, hey, I just found out about this place called Soldier Field. Like some kid in 2009 is going to be like, man, that was cool. And you could put plaques like in the Soldier Field Park. That's like Jay Cutler ran over some guy right there. This is where this happened. Yeah, exactly.

You can chill out with your dog. Right. You know, where the catch happened. You know, no, you can't because Candlestick's gone. Yeah. They just fucking demolished it. I don't even know what's there now. You know me.

I like old stadiums. So I kind of this caught my eye. And just a reminder that like what doesn't seem this that cool at the moment could look really cool in like 40 years. What happened to say candlestick park? It is now a plan to be redeveloped into office space. As of January 2023, the developers face setbacks and there were concerns about soil safety. Oh, been there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Boy, have we. You're going to need a phase one study on that read, and then you need a phase two study after that. I'm fucking throwing up phase three. You might want to throw in a phase three at candlestick. It's just sad to me. That's so sterile.

You know, the fact that like where this historic thing once happened, we don't even get a plaque. We just get a cubicle. There's going to be a cubicle there where the catch happened. That's sad. I agree. There's only so much dirt. though, you know. Gotta keep things moving.

There's a lot of dirt out there, dude. Actually, that's a good point. There's also a lot of dirt where Arrowhead is. More dirt than you think out there. Yeah. Like, what happened at Orchard Park, like the old stadium in Buffalo? Like, what are they doing? It's sad.

It just makes me big sad. Big sad, making. Speaking of. What? As mentioned, we have lost Bill Walton. That, like, I told my kids, I told Waylon last night before bed because I was watching some Bill Walton videos like who's that I'm like man this guy he was amazing I was like I just want to show you more stuff I showed him eating the candle yeah actually he's like eat this candle you know like where I showed him feeding you know the organ duck popcorn like all the stuff that's circulating around today but the stuff I didn't show him is like also how outspoken he was on issues back in the day or And I'll show him that later, but like, or him, him taking liberty to task during a national broadcast.

Like, he was just real, dude. He was real. He was colorful. He was entertaining. I think as soon as he died yesterday, you think about celebrity deaths, Chris Cornell always sticks out because of the tragic nature of how it happened. And you just imagine all this pain. And I was like the first CD I ever bought with Soundgarden. And I was just, my mom took me to Plan 9 and we got throwing copper and, uh, and the sound

garden album with, um, super unknown with, uh, with, uh, black hole sun and all that shit on it. And I was a huge Cornell fan and I'll never forget where I was when he died. I was in Philly. I was getting ready to, I was alone. I was trading for, it was cloudy, rainy day very, very appropriately. And, uh, sitting in my apartment in Fairmount. and heard about Chris Cornell and I was tore up about it. Bill Walton was on my short list of people I wanted on this pod. We had a picture that we were going to put up and we had it up for a while.

I was like wanted Bill Walton. And that's never going to happen. And that makes me sad. But I never felt sad yesterday. I was sad for Bill, obviously, because, and I'm sad for everybody because he's one of those people. If he could live as long as a Greenland shark, we'd all be better off, right? Like, 70 years is not long enough for somebody like Bill. But the amount of joy and vibrancy that he brought, like, that's what you think about first,

even in his passing. I think about, like, he made people happy in his passing, not because he's gone, but because you get a whole day, Memorial Day of all days, which is a totally different thing. but like it's it's a holiday and we're all fixated on this holiday and by the way I hope for all the veterans that knew somebody that lost somebody or gold star families I hope you got a very peaceful weekend you know and a reminder to people and athletes next year around that like if you're wishing people happy memorial day you shouldn't include the active duty troops like and thank them it's about it's a memorial day but on memorial day with the NBA playoffs going on and fuck nothing for football going on

Bill dominated the day. And I just couldn't find a person on the timeline that didn't have something to share about Bill. And I didn't share anything about Bill because I have this outlet where I can talk about it. And I just want to talk about Bill. Listen, I didn't grow up with Bill. I didn't grow up with Bill in my living room. But as soon as he passed yesterday, and this is long overdue, I picked up his book. And I'm like four or five chapters in now.

And, you know, I know a lot about Bill. but it's incredible the stuff you learn about him. You know, when you think about where he went and who he was, not just to be a great basketball player, 38, 39 surgeries, operations on his feet, lower extremities because he's born with a congenital defect, that made it really hard to do what he ended up doing at a very high level. He also had the speech impediment.

In this book, it kind of details, I think, what makes him so interesting under the surface. which is that he had like a relatively tragic career. You know, like he laments all the time he missed. The injuries kept an MVP from being one of the greatest NBA players to ever play the game. I mean, he still voted as one of the greatest NBA players to ever play the game. But of his 14 seasons, I think he said he missed over half of those seasons with injuries. And, you know, I know he had regrets about his time in Portland, how it ended.

And there was just a quote I saw in The Athletic today. He was talking about going back to Portland to kind of reconcile some of that stuff. And he said, it was very sad. I always try to self-reflect. And when you're living a life that is on stage, on camera, out in front, the minute it gets quiet, that's when the true answers come to you when it's too late. And I think any athlete can relate to that. Any person who's in a washing machine of scrutiny, expectation, stress, adult,

adulation, success, failure, like, there's no time to reflect. And I think, like, Bill put that so succinctly, like, as an athlete, it's so hard to figure out who you are while you're playing the game and what you stand for and how you feel. And I think what's so interesting about that is, like, I always felt like Bill was so much more than an athlete. And that's why I admired him so much. I'd like to think of myself as more than an athlete. I've always liked to think of myself as more than the athlete. Like I want to live my life. Kind of like the stuff we were talking about earlier.

Like life is more than just about like what you do. And I think for Bill, like life was a big playground. And that included basketball. And he was steadfastly committed to it. But he never denied himself the opportunity to go out and do the things that you would do if you were a normal person. You know, and that to me humanized him so much. It made him so normal and larger in life.

You're talking about the guy I went to 850 dead concerts. concerts, 850 Grateful Dead concerts. He played the drums with the Grateful Dead at the pyramids in 1978. I don't know that athletes ever done something cooler. Like, JJ Watt on stage with Zach Brown. It's close. It's nowhere close. But like, this guy has just done it all. Like, he was, he was 14 playing basketball with grown men. When he was 17, he was asked to go over to playing Yugoslavia for three months. He left high school. And, and, and, and, he was, he was, he was, traveled the world and you know going to UCLA getting to know John Wooden and the way he described John Wooden I also think is telling you know if we're looking for for some lessons from Bill's life

like John Wooden's one of his heroes right he loved him some John Wooden loved John Wooden John Wooden and him couldn't have been any more diametrically opposed back in the day ideologically um but Bill but Bill loves people you know Bill loves life You know, and Bill's had some strong stances, but it seemed like anybody he would encounter, he'd give him a chance. And I felt like yesterday, no matter where you stood on the issues or where you stood, like, a lot of people would like to boil Bill down to his ideologies or, you know, smoking pot or fucking everybody loves Bill Walton. Bill Walton can make anybody smile. And he made me smile for a long time. And I just think he kept the main thing, the main thing, which is life.

And that's why I admire him so much. And, you know, obviously, like a lot of his stances have turned out to be the right ones, you know, protesting the Vietnam War, being a proponent of the civil rights movement speaking up for his black teammates. Like, to me, he's a hero. And what made him a hero was he was a critical thinker. He was an independent person. And he had a great upbringing. Like when he talked about his upbringing in this book, I'm thinking about swiping all the TVs out of my house. because Bill Walton's parents, his mom specifically, he pleaded for, for I guess years to buy a TV.

And she did some research and came to the conclusion that they were not buying a TV. And, you know, I think he had a library card. And this guy just got lost in books. And his imagination is what made him special. And, you know, him talking about stories of it when he was a kid to Jimmy Rig a Basketball hooped together. They didn't have a lot of money. Like, I think they found a basketball hoop put it together. He rigged a spotlight at night so he could play at night

and listened to his favorite announcer called Lakers games. And he was talking about Chick Hearn. And one of the quotes he had in the book was, and he would listen on his transistor radio. What he had, his library card transistor radio, a Jimmy Rigged basketball hoop, and a spotlight. And he'd go out at night and play while the Lakers were playing with his radio on and imagine.

you know and while being incredibly shy while being high and reserved and going through a monster stuttering issue was stuttering issue overcoming that the the the the the congenital defects that he had like but i don't think he he could have done it without the upbringing of his parents the way he was brought up the way it was described um and his big imagination his just love for life like i i think everything excited him and he'd sit out there and play basketball with the radio on and he talked about her and the quote was this comforting solace that chick was your best friend the creativity the excitement the intensity the exuberance the vibrancy the joy the openness the honesty the personal touch that's how he made me feel as a yeah for sure he also had an incredible way with

words as yeah you just demonstrated i mean he always talked about how he was ricocheting through the world and he would introduce himself all the time as Bill with two ls like he just had a weird way of thinking about things that would that was that was that was always interesting entertaining interesting uh kind of just felt like your your your your fun uncle Bill yeah I just on a day like today where we talk about like hey waking up not being interested in anything yeah you know like I I going forward I would like to find my inner Bill Walton and some people listening are like Chris you kind of already found that but like there's another level to that it's not just

smoking pot loving music and going out and trying to have as much fun as you can while you're on this fucking rock spinning around like it's it's it's also about finding joy and everything it felt like he found joy and exuberance and everything the way he talked about the books he read growing up the coaches he had the the the opportunities to play basketball and listen to the radio like teammates, Bill Russell, like, just the passion he had for the most mundane topics, and those aren't mundane topics necessarily, but like the passion Bill had for mundane topics was unmatched. And I think that's what makes a great media member and a great person.

Like first off, like the people you love are the people that when they walk in the room, they're excited about something. They make you excited about the thing they're excited about because they are truly champing at the bit to get starting doing whatever this mundane task is. in their minds it's the greatest thing in the world and i think that's what bill was like and i don't i don't do that enough you know what i mean like i don't think i don't think any of us do it enough but i look at coincidentally on a day like today when you're like fuck i don't care you know nothing's exciting me what would bill walton do yeah you know he'd be excited about anything that came across

his desk if he had a podcast and and i just look at bill and i'm like if i could be more like bill I think Bill had it figured out. Like I think of all the athletes that have ever played American sports, legends, icons, find me one person that live life

without imposing boundaries on themselves more than Bill Walton. I can't. I mean, he did not let basketball to find him and he was terrific and steadfastly committed to that craft. Yeah, and live totally authentically, it would seem as we can.

It would seem like, yeah, if I, hey, I didn't know Bill Walton. Maybe I'd be disappointed, but I doubt it because Dave Pash, the guy who he, and I always appreciated Dave watching those two because I always wondered like, does Dave kind of hate Bill? Because Dave's dry and he knew how to play off him. It was perfect. You know, which I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah.

But like, it's, it's pretty illuminating in his passing to see Dave sending those text messages out. Not only that Bill on air was just like Bill over a text message, but that Bill wrote in paragraphs on text messages, which I love, which is something that I have dabbled with, and now I'm going to do more. I'm going to be writing my text messages like Bill Walton the rest of my life. One sentence, you need to face. It's also easier to read it. It's also easier to read. text message. It is. Yeah, 100%. There's a pretty recent Bill, Doc, that you should check out if you haven't, and I'm sure you've seen it because it's been making the rounds today. But his quote is, I'm not into being remembered. I learn from yesterday. I dream about tomorrow, but I try to make today

my masterpiece. Try my best to be better, to do better, and to do more. For people. And he always talked about doing things. He talked about when he wakes up in the morning, just sprinting to go make somebody's day better. Yep. And like I would think that that was authentically who he was. Yeah. And I can say that some days I don't wake up thinking like that. You know, you think about yourself, you think about your problems, you think about

this job sucks some days or that. I don't know if Bill thought that way. And especially when you, when you, when you, and he talked about this in the Dan Patrick show a long time ago. And I think when he talked about this on the Dan Patrick show, it's pretty open of him to say this but he was like i considered suicide i was contemplating suicide the pain was so bad that was the one thing he never let us in on that like i i think you you think of you think him as this as this mascot of happiness and exuberance and joy and like a lust for life that's unmatched but he was also

spending months at a time on the ground um because of his the pain um And he never let us into that. And the regrets that you see bubble to the surface every once in a while. Like, I think deep down, he might have, he was tortured like everybody else. Everybody's got regrets. Everybody has, has hardships and tragedies that happen to their life. For him and his athletic career, it was just the what if. And I can so relate to the what if, not on his level, but like every athlete has a what if.

What if these little two things go differently? I can tell you, I beat myself up over things that should be framed in the context of success. and I can only imagine somebody like Bill Walton who rightfully probably felt cheated you know having those injuries and and getting to enjoy success but never having it fully realized and he never projected that no and I I just he I've never admired somebody so much I didn't know in the media you know and and we'll never get to have him on the show but the best we can do I think is like take what Bill was about and try to live that way you know absolutely listeners media members like people if everybody was like Bill Walton I think we'd be a lot

better off a lot better off and we saw what the ceilings would be higher way higher uh we saw what a couple hundred stories on on social media yesterday of like here's my Bill Walton story here's my bill Walton story not one of them didn't show him going overboard whether whether it's a time limit, like we had 11 minutes for this show, he gave 20. We had 60 minutes, he gave 90. Or he called me back after two minutes because he remembered one more thing that he wanted to tell about that story. He, you know, left me a voicemail and said this and did that. And he talked about how he convinced my dad to go in, to go do this surgery. Like every single story we say, we saw he went above and beyond this person who asked them to do, you know,

something that they thought was going to be a big ask. And he always delivered. What would Bill do? That might be the new mantra in here. And listen, I'm not claiming to be somebody who like collect his basketball cards. And I hadn't read his book till yesterday. But from afar, I always just admired him. The pot thing's important too. Like he's the first athlete that was synonymous with, with marijuana usage.

You know, like I can't think of too many other guys back in the day. Who were so publicly. Yeah. It's just another example of somebody just being open and being like, this is who I am. I'm not going to hide this. First off, you're playing drums with the Grateful Dead in Egypt. I think people know what's going on. But I think also with the Grateful Dead, it's pretty interesting that he would be drawn to those guys

because I think Jerry had a really tragic life. There's a lot of sadness under all that raucous noise and excitement and great music and the exuberance again. but like jerry garcia you know his dad drowned when he was growing up on a river uh and you know there was a lot of stuff that you wouldn't you go to a grateful dead show it's bright colors it's but it's also the the the the steel your face the you know the skulls the the presence of death the finality of this whole experience is it's acknowledged yeah but it's it's also to me the Grateful Dead is like life is hard it's tragic but fuck is it fun and um only if you live it

all out and that's what i thought bill was all about and that's why he was the perfect deadhead you know because uh reading about bill more and knowing what i know about like the challenges he had growing up there were probably some dark times for him and there were dark times later in his life where he talked about contemplating suicide you know and sharing that with dan Patrick and putting them in the book that took a lot of balls but again it's him being open and i believe every bit of it because it wasn't like he was trying to project that publicly and he kept it close to the vest and then he shared it and um so i'm i'm just so glad we got 70 years 71 years of of bill walton and some people some people live to be 130 i wish it would

have been him. But he had a great, great run. And, uh, yeah, rest in peace, Bill Walton. You never going to get him on the show. Well, we get AI Bill Walton. Probably.

What would you think about us having AI Bill Walton on the show? That's a bummer. You know, there's some people that have passed that I'm like, man, it would have been cool to have on the show or, or, uh, it would have been cool to meet him, you know, like, Bill's, up there. There also needs to be a universal age that you hit where you're eulogized while living, you know? I agree. And maybe that's what that documentary was a few years ago, but once you hit, like, I don't know, pick the age, we, however you think about this phrase, give you your flowers.

No question. The Albert Brooks fake funeral thing is less sneaky. Yeah. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think about it all the time, like people that that I should say things too. You know, you always hear people that you're like, I wish I had said this, I wish I had said that and you're like, I'll say that. Yeah. And then you get older.

Yeah. And you don't say it. And you don't, you become more closed. And somebody like Bill, I doubt he left anything unsaid. Right. And, yeah. So it's just a, fuck, dude. I didn't even know he had cancer.

I know. Nobody did. It didn't seem like anybody. He had friends that were like, hey, Bill. And if that, it's just, fuck. ever happens to me, you won't know about it. I figured. Because I'm not going to doctor. Yeah. I won't know about it either.

Okay, so anyways, it's sad. But again, it's like some eulogies, you give him with a smile because the guy was just, he was sunshine, dude. Yeah, and they make you, those kinds of people make you want to be better, do better, and be like him. It's just a matter of of how long it stays with you yeah maybe we do need a daily reminder yeah we need to we need to get something bill up here we had the wanted you know kind of deal and condolences day to to day to day patch because i like i almost hit him up this morning trying to have him on the show and i didn't want to

bother him like not that he would have come on the show like everybody's asking dave to probably do something in the media but i i just can't think of anybody more that had a connection with him outside of his family than that guy like it's got to be like half of him's gone you know I mean 90% of the clips we saw like this was the best of Bill Wal and then Dave was right next he deserves a lot of credit for bringing out the best

in Bill too because you couldn't put a lot of guys in that who would struggle the most with Bill? Nance Al Gus Ow ow I don't know well I can dance my best

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Okay, wouldn't do it any other way. All right, so on to the football. Let's get on the football and rifle some of these topics. There was a Tom Pelliserra report, and it read, this is on X. And of OTA's question mark, NFLPA is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025, eliminating voluntary on-field work in the spring in favor of law. longer training camp ramp up with players reporting in mid-June to early July per sources. So I don't know honestly what the motivation here is.

Probably coaches thinking that actually, I don't know if this is true, but ever since training camp change, got a little bit easier. Anytime somebody got hurt, you'd have these old coaches who would be like, that's because we don't work as hard anymore. and you're not you're not as ready for the start of the season you're not as ready for live bullets now of course i think a little bit of them can be right there but i also think rest is good like i think there's a happy medium in here somewhere in between i do think that going from zero to a hundred miles an hour is tough like when you show up to new training camps you're out there

in underwear and even if you throw on the shells with just soft tops and the helmets like there's a big change from that to pads and i think that like the ideal loading period could be padded but less strenuous you know so you can get out there in the pads don't need to do five live periods the first week like i would structure it like hey we get out there in underwear for a couple days and then we get in the pads and we ease in in the pads too but right now it's kind of like you go there's this lead from underwear to inside run and to me that's where you have your problems and then a week later you're playing in a game basically like i can remember in the new training camps i used to count a month before we had a preseason game of practicing and now it's like holy shit we play in 10 days and if

you're doing that hall of fame game like that's happening like that more like inside runs in your underwear yeah when the when the bulls start fighting that's what but i'm but i'm But a lot of soft tissue injuries, a lot of injuries that, you know, people just aren't ready for the speeds and that sort of. But that doesn't mean you need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, man. This is, this is too much. June to July, early July. So you're going to have players on the 4th of July in training camp.

No, I know. But deleting April, yeah? Deleting April. But here's the thing. Here's the thing about April. Players are on the job all year. It just gives them the flexibility. to be where they want to be.

You know, I think you could delete April and, and, and go mid-July. Like, mid-July would be fine. And that's kind of when, when I used to, I remember around July 15th, I used to leave Montana. I used to train up there and leave. But here's the problem. There's a dark cloud that hangs over a football player from probably late May to the minute they report to camp. I don't care where you're on the world.

You could be in the most beautiful place. But if you're worth a shit, your mind is on the game. minds on your job and the expectations and the pressures and some of you is like let's just get it going but you also know that your body's not going to last now you're talking about if you showed up in june june july august september i've already counted october november december january february so eight and some change for some of these good teams eight months on four months off for some of these good teams i don't know how anybody would repeat let alone let alone get back there.

And I know like some organizations are really good and they're going to adjust and that sort of thing. But if this is the case, I just hope the NFL doesn't get duped on this thing. Because like I said, in April and May and March, I was working. I was working hard getting ready for whether it was OTAs. And I always showed up to everything voluntary. Everything. Everything. Not maybe not.

Yeah, everything. Like I was there. And what percentage of your teammates did? a high percentage on the bad teams. And then when you get on the good teams, there's a lot of players that are like, I'm good. I know what voluntary means.

Yeah, I know what voluntary means. But when you're in St. Louis, nobody really has the latitude to do that. And when you're a high draft pick and the team's bad, you don't want to be like, oh, I'm skipping, you know? So I say that to say,

like players are already hardwired to be preparing in April. What this would give them would be a little bit of geographic freedom. But I don't know that I would trade this for a longer training camp. Like, I'd much rather have to do the stuff in the spring. Because I think also from a team building standpoint, if you don't see each other until June, if you're one of these bad teams and you finish annually, like the first week of January, like me, for eight years of my career, if I didn't see those guys until June, I don't know how we get better. You know, I don't know how we get better as a group.

I don't know how we get closer as a group. And you could say, hey, the longer training camp, guys are going to, to get closer. But we got so close. Even if training camp was three weeks long, you're in a hotel with somebody for three weeks. You know, you're working from seven in the morning till 10 at night every day for three weeks. You get a day off or two mixed in there. And now with the new CBA, you do have some days off sprinkled in. But I do think it's too much. I think when you look at it like it's an eight-month endeavor for these teams that are going deep in the playoffs, it's just too much.

Do you think the science is the real reason behind this? Well, I'd like to see the science. You know, if you could show me the science, maybe, but the people I've talked to in the league have said some variation of, God, I hope the NFLPA doesn't get duped on this one. I don't know what the bargaining chip would be. Like, what are we trying to avoid here? Well, so now we're talking about 18 games and we're talking about longer training camp.

So the NFL PA's consulted medical and performance experts. And basically their thinking is that if you get more time off after the end of the season until the first time you report. But is that worth that extra, what, two months, month? But the players aren't going to take that time. Yeah, exactly. That's the point. So I wish we could talk to a medical expert that mock this up. And obviously another standpoint here is like, I don't know what the league's doing.

Because the league's never doing what they say they're doing. They're like, this is why we're doing it. There's always a reason. It's usually green, right? Right. So I don't know what that is. I don't know if they've identified something in the sports calendar where they're like, hey, we can dominate June as well in July, like where, you know, the dog days of summer

with baseball and that sort of thing because people cannot get enough of training camp stuff. You know, like I'll be sitting there hand up and watching one-on-one pass rush knowing it doesn't really mean that much as a fan. I'm gobbling it up. So I think there's probably a little bit of like, yeah, we don't need to dominate the news cycle. We already have the draft. We have free agency. We have, you know, all this stuff.

We have all these tent poll events in the calendar that, hey, we can take off. Schedule release. Yeah, schedule release. Like that just happened. Right. Because we're talking about May. And for what, three days everyone was freaking out about a couple matchups and then the schedule release videos. I think they're thinking the.

there's a longer period between football consumption now than there is if they do this, right? Yeah. Because nobody's paying attention to OTAs. Tell me something that happened in OTAs. Don't care. It's like press conferences. That's about it. Don't care.

We're going to be talking about Justin Jefferson, Higgins, you know, wide receivers, whatever the flavor of the month is, every post-free agency period. somebody didn't get a deal we're going to be talking about tags we're going to be talking about you know all types of stuff so those conversations are going to continue i think maybe if you're looking at it from a consumption of football standpoint they're looking at it like hey the minute june starts of training camps ramping up we have only taken off may whereas now it's like the minute oTAs end you wait until late july so that's you're looking at a couple months right I don't want to assume the NFL's being the NFL here,

but the NFL's always the NFL. Maybe somebody's suing them on account of voluntary and mandatory. Guys are getting cut on account of voluntary stuff. That part's tricky, right? Because they say voluntary, right? And like, it varies situation to situation. And there's no, when a coach cuts you, he don't have to show his work, right?

Right. Right. Like they just say, here's your iPad. Poor cause, yeah. Yeah. Like, they don't have to show the math. Right. But part of the math might have been that this guy wasn't at voluntary workout. Yep. And the other thing is, voluntary workouts don't always get you the best work for you. I used to always say this. Voluntary workouts, I go and get worse, you know, like because all of a sudden, I've been lifting alone, taking as much time as I need, running as much as I want, the sequencing of when I run, when I lift, like, times a day. Some days I'm doing double days where I get up in the morning, run, lift,

and in the afternoon I do some field work and that sort of thing. Like, you are now on the team schedule. And the team schedule is dictated by the coaches frantically trying to install, you know, defenses and offenses and do things in their very bureaucratic way. When you're a player, you know what you, when you're a veteran, you know what you need to do in the off season and you go out and do it if you have the latitude to do it. But when you go back in the building, they sneak your lift in after practice. You got a meeting after the lift. Like, so what, am I going to stop my lift halfway through? Come back. I'm also sore because I've been doing a bunch of repetitions of movements that I'm really good at already. Right. I've been hitting a

sled all day. I'm going to take a summer long break and have to build that backup. All that's doing is breaking my body down so I can't continue to build it up. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? It does. You know, so, so I'm not saying that you're coming around to this. I might be coming around, but, but, but what I would say is the camp doesn't need to start in June. If you want to start two weeks earlier, that's what we did for a long time, you know, like guys survived, guys got, what you need to do is limit the collisions, right? Because that's, so that's how you mock up a practice. If coaches can be trusted to take care of guys and ease them into things properly, I think mid-July is okay. I think early July after the 4th of July as a washed up retired

player who never has to live by this code or this schedule, I could see how I'd come around on it. But as a player, I think the mental health aspect of it and people are going to be out there like, dude, I never get a day off. But I just don't think you understand like you're in a washing machine so long and it's so violent and so stressful that guys need a little time to decompress. You could claim that other jobs and vocations need the same, but what we're talking about here is the NFL. You know, get with your unions. Right. I do think guys need some more time before they put pads on again and it's time to go. Some of my favorite times were in July. Even with that cloud hanging over my head, time with my family in the summer. Think about your

kids, spending time with your kids. That's another thing, you know, when summer start for them, starts in May. Right. Right. All of a sudden, you're going to have less summertime with your kids. Like, vets are not going to like this. Yeah. Does it give you pause that Mark Davis's love child will be born during the NFL season this year? So I have something to say about this. Dove, it's Dove? It's either Dove or... He's past tense. Who knows? Well, listen, I had no problem with Dove or Dove Clyman. This is shoddy, journalistic work.

And also, by the way, it's not even Dove Clyman. I'll tell you why in a second. Everybody who's online knows who this guy is. Well, they know his avatar. He's like a, he's a cartoon. He's got the, he copied Fieldyates. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

He's got the little cartoonish little head. And I hate to say it, but a lot of the aggregators I get mixed up nowadays, but they're all very different, right? Yeah. You need to be careful when you're. reading in aggregator's news and taking it as it was like awful announcing earlier has none to do with any of this but awful announcing took nick wright out of context nick right said he he praised bill for five minutes as a player and he said any might have been a better broadcaster which is a compliment awful announcing frames it as you know he he wasn't a great player he was better

broadcaster. People are quote tweeting it like crazy like fucking moron Nick you all this stuff and you know that's just the nature of aggregation. It's engagement farming now like people are rage baiting. That's a big thing online. Hey, podcasting is hard. Be a lot easier if I just deleted my Twitter account like can I do that? But the problem is now a lot of the places you go for your news are not giving you news. They are giving you something to engage with. And, And I think the problem manifests when people run with things that are rumors. And we've done that unintentionally before. And we're right.

Yeah, you're right. The Bill Belichrist thing. No, I know. And everybody, all these Boston guys couldn't wait to jump down our case. And actually, we were doing you motherfuckers and bill a favor because we were like, we're not going to tell you what we know is going to be true. Yep. Right?

Because that's not like, that's not my story to break. If you remember that whole thing. And some of you, you goodwill hunting looking motherfuckers. We're all up my ass and what happened. Okay. But the point is, I didn't get into this thing to be an aggregator. The way the food chain works is,

we're the people who talk to you, but then we need the information, right? So a lot of times you're going to be doing research in really unofficial ways, and you're going to be reading the timeline, trying to figure out what's going on. And the problem is, like, some of these aggregators, they just, they let it loose and they let it fly.

Like, it doesn't have to be true. This Mark Davis thing, what's the young lady's name uh hayden hoskins hoskins hodd hodkins or hoskins hayden well her her her baby daddy is joey it's not mark davis right presumably young good looking guy without a bowl cut maybe maybe maybe older maybe older what if joey's actually really fucking yeah that would be hilarious or his name's joey what if he's 14 so the bottom line is god we've done hayden hopkins we've done a poor job explaining this haven't we we yeah so well there's a there's a preamble stick with us okay yeah dove climbing he's one of these

aggregators and there's a story going around that this this young some would call her a smoke show is uh is dating uh mark davis and then we find out that she is with child and so people are like yo it still works and they're like this gal bad you know mark just who wouldn't and at that age, but this girl bad. That's kind of like the whole thing, right? Can I read you Hayden's statement? Yes. Reports of Mark Davis being the father of my child

are wildly untrue. Of course it was Dove or Dove's report. I was pictured sitting next to him at a game in 2022 and have endured false rumors of a romantic relationship since. I was just a guest sitting in the owner's box with other friends. These continued media stories are negatively affecting what should be my happiest days,

Joey and I are excited to welcome our baby in the fall, XX. Yeah, so basically she was photographed with Mark. Which I think is also a, it's a, it's a referendum on how much pussy everybody thinks Mark Davis gets. Because just because somebody's near you doesn't mean you're knocking them up, right? And then you get these aggregators coming around. They're like, yep, this is like this is the bloodline here, passed down to. So it's not Dove, actually. It's not Dove or Dove.

He actually sold his account. Okay. Now he does have a checkered pass. Like Dove had dove into this podcast's account. He had hacked into this podcast. It was the Game Day NFL. He had hacked these Game Day NFL guys podcast. And he was basically like using their podcast to talk shit to other aggregators and like incite, you know, I don't know.

Aggravated aggregates. aggravated aggregators. And so that was Dove. This is not Dove now because I know because on December 6th, 2003 last year, he DM me and he was like, hey, I'm selling my account, like any interest. And I'm like, no. But I never thought about being an aggregator.

But like, good luck with that. And so I know it's not him. It's just another layer to like be careful what you're reading because it's not even the guy that it's purported to be. It's a guy who sold his account to an aggregator. This person's name isn't even on it. And that's like social media today. And that's sports news now today.

They care less than Dove did. And they just want to mime, mine, retweens. Exactly. And what does Dove think about this? He must not care much because he's handing the keys over to his reputation. You know, selling, it didn't even change the name of it. It kept the brand. Your name is the brand.

So I almost don't feel bad for him here. because like he has a history of this and the way me and him met was because he misattributed a clip of ryan rissillo and gronk saying something really of substance and uh it went like gangbusters and he didn't attribute it to ryan he attributed to some other aggregator or something so i kind of got on his case a little bit and then he DM he's like hey i'm really sorry i don't want to offend ryan rsillo you know and i'm like no you're good all the while rsillo fucking and not happy with the guy. But the point is, like,

you just got to be careful who you're taking your info from. I can't tell you how many times on this podcast, and we should be more careful, but unless you were making a podcast, you know how this is. Like, on days where there's not much news, you are looking for any news you can get to talk about something worthwhile to get your Bill Walton on about.

And sometimes you'll get desperate, and you'll see something that's, man, that looks believable and true. and like it happened 30 minutes before the podcast. And then you get duped. And all you can do is say, hey, I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. Slap me on the wrist. Like, I need to get my news from better aggregators.

And so I think that's the hard part now when it comes to like the internet and sports media. Sports media is just a reflection of, you know, the whole landscape at large. For sure. Mazel to Joey and Hayden. But if I may, there was a question on Reddit in the spirit of like not. having any talk about i was on reddit what if it is field yates what if field yates is morning it's going to be a good athlete yeah okay uh no but uh you know like i i just got to say this people are really mad at her i don't think there's anything really that wrong with it when you frame it in

the context of had she been with mark davis's child society is all fucked up on this thing people marry for money all the time and they do it for like 40 or 50 years so if it's going to be a lie just tell me a five year lie you know that's why i think like anna nicole smith was kind of a hero because whoever that old guy was that she was posing in bed with like he knew what time it was like it's better that she got him at the end of his life than in the middle of it yep right like if you're going to do this move which happens all the time in society all the time you and i both know people, you know, who might not have a great face, but got a great pocketbook situation. And you're like, why are you going to say something else? Yeah. No, but what I'm saying is this happens all

the time. We shouldn't be so mad when some of these women want to care for the elderly. And that was Jay Howard Marshall. Yeah, Howard Marshall. He looks great in that picture back in 1954. Holy shit. This guy was old in 54. Dude, when he was on that bed, pull that picture up with him and Anna Nicole Smith, you can't tell me that he knows exactly, he knows exactly what's going on, dude. He doesn't give a shit.

I've never seen anybody smile bigger than this guy. She married an 89-year-old. So we just need to destigmatize, now for like the sons of a, what's that guy's name? Howard Marshall. Howard Marshall, it can be a little bit more problematic. Like if you're in his family,

and all of a sudden the will get changed a little bit will like maybe go take care of your dad like not in that way but like nobody had visited him in three days all of a sudden there was 36 Ds I gotta talk to my estate planner you know what I mean? I do

you only got five years on the clock for Mark Davis huh? No he looks great I met him in Vegas I think he's got a lot of time left but I'm just saying like you know the stigma is older guy younger woman we all know what she's doing like hey it's a free country there's two parties opting into the agreement.

I think the old guy knows what time it is. And what's worse is like there's a lot of this happening right under our noses. And we don't ever consider the fact that like, I think the women that target the geriatrics can stand on a moral high ground over these in phase for money marriages. You know what I mean?

It's a good take. Is it? It's a good take. Right? Yeah, it's totally a good take. Maybe they're, maybe they're searching for that father figs. too in their lives. Now, some pool boy after I die,

uh, like, I don't think it's okay. You know what I mean? Well, hold on. Because... What if she's 67? He's 32.

I don't like it. Because he can take advantage of her. He, you know? Okay. And Nicole's... No. The problem is with your kids.

The problem is the kids. Yeah. The kids. It's the kids. It's bad either way. It's good. No, it's good. either way. You know what?

Good either way. If my wife wants to give all of our money to a pool boy after I'm gone, that's her right. I'm going to be dead anyways. I'm hanging out with Bill Walton. Your good take just got even better. Right? Yep. Great take. Okay. Clip it.

We're talking about Tom Palliserro. No, but honestly, the first, somebody asked on Twitter what the first, or on Reddit, what the first move you would do if you were an owner would be and on the topic i think one of the first moves should be disclose your sexual partners because we need to know who could enter the ownership circle because i was immediately thinking

about like kind of a like a game of thrones coup kind of situation imagine david tepper knocks up a stripper everybody's going to protect that baby like john snow he's the heir to the throne right like so i think disclosing sexual partners would be a really good first step for owners because this could have gone sideways or it could have gone well. Roger Goodell has to have like an NFL ownership tree in like a game of a big board. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

And he's got, okay, this team I can put I can swipe to this team. Yes. Move it around. Okay, little Johnny's next in line. But if he goes early, then it's going to be a little Timmy. And fans need to know if like say a Paul Brown is just like a nympho. You know, it's like I don't even know where the lineage could lead. Mark went to Cal State Chico.

Remember Ace? Yeah, Ace from Chico. Does good paintings. I like Ace. Okay. The next piece of NFL news, well, it's not news. It's speculation.

This Justin Jefferson thing. New York giant wide receiver, Justin Jefferson. Man, if Kyle was only in here to gloat over the take that Justin Jefferson could get traded. Listen, why I'm bringing this up is, It's kind of twofold.

I think, number one, the Justin Jefferson situation, if you want to understand it, I believe a lot of these players now, like wide receivers, or a defense event, like a Brian Burns or Nick Bosa more appropriately, because I think Nick's the one who reset the market and then Burns just his agents use that contract to get him the money he got. But like when Nick Bosa goes to the table, I don't think Nick Bosa is saying, hey, my comp is another defensive end, he wants to be the highest paid non-quarterback on that team. And I think it's the same thing with the Justin Jefferson. It was the same thing with the Tyreek, right? I think that's what he's after. I think honestly, now if you're looking at Justin Jefferson, he's probably saying,

I want to be the highest paid non-quarterback on the team. And so I think that's the holdup. And whether you think he's worth that or not, I think Tyreek's been worth that in Miami, because I don't know where they'd be without him, right? But pro football talk had an interesting theory. Multiple veteran receivers wait to get paid. It's time to wonder whether supply and demand will make the receiver market go the way of the running back market. And Bucky Brooks, who I really like, thinks it's a realistic possibility with this market moving in the 30 million range because now receivers are going to be getting paid crazy, right? His thought is lots of plug and play guys out of college guys that are ready right now and are not going to demand $30 million that we start to

see a little bit of the devaluing of the wide receiver position. Now, I don't think you should ever devalue the elite wide receivers, right? Because those guys should be, like a Justin Jefferson to me is worth it, right? If you got the quarterback especially, Justin Jefferson is worth it. If you got a quarterback on a rookie deal, Justin Jefferson's definitely worth it. Yeah. You know, 48th richest wide receiver at the moment because of the rookie. deal. But I do think, I do think this has been happening a long time where, where like, the wide receiver position is not necessarily devalued. I can see what he's saying, hey, listen, running backs devalued because of health, the outlook of the running back over time. And then also, like,

the position has been less important. Running backs are a lot more interchangeable now, right? Like, you see the multi-running back stable kind of, kind of thing going on. I think it's different with wide receivers. I think the game has changed to more of a wide receiver league, more of a passing league. Obviously, you need wide receivers. Everybody knows that. But in college, the college game has changed too. So like college wide receivers are more pro-ready. I think that's what Bucky's talking about. And you can see this happening all the time in football over the last 20, 25 years, because when you pay a quarterback top dollar, you've got to be able to hit it in the draft. Right. And then you start making that calculation where you're like, all right, well, we can't pay Diggs,

Brandon Bean, go nail it. You know, it's also happened with Justin Jefferson, right? Like, Justin Jefferson was the replacement for Stefan Diggs. I said, we're not going to pay this guy. Let's roll the dice on some young talent. The Eagles going to take Jalen Rager. We'll take Justin Jefferson. Fuck me. Yeah. Okay. And same thing though on the other side of the coin with A.J. Brown and Treylaenbergs. You know, like when Brandon Cooks didn't get paid in 2018, they struggled at that position for a while. Now I'm not saying Brandon Cooks is in the echelon of those receivers, but what I am saying is like,

we see these decisions get made and it working out either way. It's really, this is only a model if you can draft well, right? Like I think the running back position is more of a, hey, we don't necessarily need a great running back, whether through the draft, we're not going to spend the capital on one, unless you're Detroit or Atlanta and you take a shot at Bejohn or Gibbs.

I think it's more like, our offense just doesn't run through a special running back. We don't need that piece, where it's like, we need wide receivers, but the ones out of college are cheaper and possibly more plug and play because of the way the games change. And so that could affect the market.

I can see that effect in the market, but don't get it conflated with, you know, team shedding wide receivers that are expensive because they have the luxury of a great quarterback and because that great quarterback has demanded a lot of the salary cap. Like that's a different situation, right? And I'm sure this is where you're headed, but the Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City Chiefs famously have had a bottom five receiver room for several years.

For a couple years now. I mean, all they've done is the last couple years without Tyree Hills win two Super Bowls. Yep. You know, so there are examples of this working, and this is a reality in the NFL when you have a high-paid quarterback is like, hey, the bills, I think they'll be okay because we've seen it work. And you say, hell, that was with Patrick Mahomes

and Andy Reid. Okay, well, Josh is pretty good. Yep. You know, not to say they're going to win two Super Bowls the next few years, but, you know, shedding digs in an offense where it runs through the tight ends. We heard Brandon Bean talk about it.

And, you know, you go out and get Curtis Samuel, who's worked with Joe Brady, you go out and you draft Coleman. Yeah. You hope he's a stud, by all accounts he is. Like, hey, in a year, they could be the proving ground for why you, You don't pay certain positions when you have an expensive quarterback.

The expensive quarterback is expensive for a reason. He's supposed to make things good, right? And then I think what it comes down to is like a lot of teams are going to, bad teams are going to have to make decisions. Or good teams with rookie QB deal, you know, quarterbacks. Those are the ones who are left to make those decisions on $30 million receivers. Yeah. You look at the worst teams in the league at the moment. New England, Carolina, New York Giants,

I mean, Denver Broncos, you don't have that elite wide receiver. But that's not the- But you also don't have the elite quarterback. That's what you don't have. That's what matters. You know, I think you could find way more examples of an elite quarterback winning without an elite wide receiver than an elite quarterback winning with an elite wide receiver.

In the last 20 years. Right. Like, I went through it. It's Tyreek Hill a couple times. It's Marvin Harrison and-Reggie Wayne. Yep, and Reggie Wayne and Indy, and forgive me if I'm forgetting anybody, but like, you know, you brought up Demarius Thomas, God rest of soul. I don't think of him as like in that echelon of wide receiver.

Like, I think that that was about the defense. You know, I think it was about the defense and experienced quarterback. Victor Cruz was just almost there. He had good numbers. A really good receiver, right? He had a big year. You said 1,500 yards that year. That year he was elite, but he's not, I don't think of big.

Victor Cruz like I think of Justin Jefferson or Tyree Kill or or Devante Adams like Aaron Rogers had Devonte Adams for a few years. Yeah. Yeah. Where's the hardware? Well in and in Vegas it hasn't exactly. He hasn't been the difference maker. Right. So they're not like elite wide receivers are not a panacea. Like it's not like you're just going to all of a sudden be like, oh, your team's good now. You got an elite wide receiver. I think teams are catching on to that. But I think the reality has always been that that like if you have, an expensive quarterback in the modern era of football, that's not necessarily something you're going to be after immediately. Like, you can try to build through the draft. You're not going to

necessarily go out and try to pay one. Yeah. Giants have one of those Super Bowls because of a dime laid perfectly in the hands of Super Mario Manningham. Yeah. Go get yourself some Mario Manningham's to go along with the Plexico. No question. Sure. But it doesn't have to be this great percentage of your salary cap. I think that's been. Did they have Shockey when they won the whole thing? One of them? Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's what this conversation is.

Yes, the position could be devalued, but not for the same reasons as running back. And simultaneously, the assessment of how much is being devalued might be skewed by teams not having an appetite. You know? Yeah. No, I think that's right. Look at the Vikings. Fuck. I would sign Justin Jefferson yesterday.

But obviously. What do you think of the report? that they were trying to get up to six to take Malik neighbors. Wouldn't be shocked. I mean, that's kind of like this school of thought, right? Like take a shot at somebody thinks gonna be special. He might not be Justin Jefferson,

but if the quarterback's pretty good, like we'll be okay, right? But they're kind of taking a gamble on both ends of the deal, because right, you're taking a quarterback who you'd have to, everybody would have to say, man, you were the one team that knew, right? And then, you know, you'd have to be replacing your all world wide receiver at the same time.

So I don't know, man. I think it depends on the situation. I don't think it's as serious as like wide receivers aren't going to get paid now. But I do like young guys coming out. Like Xavier Worthy for Kansas City. MVS, that's a known commodity. I'm not saying he's in that 30 million echelon. He's more of a workman type wide receiver.

But he had that straight line speed. What they do? They go out and get the young guy. Just for fun. Cheaper, higher ceiling, possible. Shockie was on those seven title team, tight ends in 11, Jake Ballard, Bear Pasco, Travis Beckham. Crazy, dude. For the New York Giants.

Crazy. And the elite wide receivers on that club, Hakeem Nix, Victor Cruz, Mario Manningham. Here are the guys that make plays independent of other things happening. defensive linemen, edge rushers, and corners, you know, like those offensive tackles, like quarterback, right? Wide receiver, very important position, some of them are game changers, but there's also a dependency on certain things. Now, with rush, you've got to have coverage and that sort of thing, but somebody's literally throwing you the ball. Somebody's literally protecting the guy who's throwing you the ball. You're the third layer of execution.

If you can have a great player out of position, but you can only have one, I think you start a quarterback, right? Start a quarterback. And then what's your second position? A non-knower of ball, I'll pick tackle. Yeah, probably. I like corner. Okay. I mean, like, obviously you want to protect that investment, but if you're going blue chip, I might go corner.

Okay. You know, like if you're going to acquire somebody through free agency or something and you just wave a magic wand, like. And then edge has to be top four, right? Edge is up there. Edge is up there. So that's where the argument starts to take shape when wide receiver's down there with running back. Well, yeah.

And that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they're not like in their purest form, like the final form of wide receiver, like Tyree Kill is going to change the game. Like he's going to change any game he plays in. Yep. But there's only a couple of those guys, you know. And you can make the same argument for pass rushers. there's only a couple Miles Gareth and T.J. Watts,

but I think there's more of them that can affect games in a bigger way, independent of the context around them, than wide receivers. Okay. I'm on board with that. You know? But I will say this. Half the reason the Vikings were even fucking competitive last year

was because of Justin Jefferson. Yeah. Are you okay with your quarterback? And the Lions secondary, it felt like for those last. Okay. Speaking of, there are only three wide receivers here at 30 million. All teams made the playoffs. AJ Brown, I'm in Ross St. Brown, and Tyree Kill

at the moment. Are you okay with your elite quarterback having a bit of a punch? I am. Patrick Mahomes is not trying to be the best at exercising. Or maybe just wear one up your size? He's wearing like smetiums. But it just goes at every level.

People who don't care about things like man breasts or a gut or some appearance thing. You know, if I put on a t-shirt, I want to fit good. Like, I don't want to look, I don't want to see shadows. I don't want to see any bullshit.

My homo's doesn't care. It's because he's an athlete. I'm not an athlete like my homes. My home's just, it's not about that. He just feels totally comfortable in his own skin, even if he's got a beer gut, because he can throw that football

wherever he wants to put it. It's like Eli Manning. I did see a picture of Eli Manning, shirtless at the beach, the famous one. this morning as I was looking for like the worst movies in sports yeah none taken yeah oh the giants thing no I mean the guy was great I would throw Sebastian Janakowski in the in the conversation one of the the best regular looking pro athletes of all time they said he partied harder than

anybody on team there was a porn star that I guess party with him and they were like asking like TMZ was asking or something in an airport and they were like athletes athletes and she's like let me tell you about one athlete Sebastian Janikowski and the guy I was a kicker. But yeah, like he was out of a football movie and it showed because he never looked like

he was an athlete. He just looked like a big Eastern block guy. Speaking of. What? Luca Donchich. Yeah, he really does. He doesn't look like,

well, it's not just the paint job. I'm just saying he just doesn't look like you know, stud NBA wing. Which he is. Yeah. Lead guard. I'd like to throw a 1995,

John Kruk in there, White Sox John Kruk. 100%. Look up John Kruk in 1995. But what's weird is that baseball players right now are extremely fit. They're better. They're, I don't want to say they have better bodies. They're better looking. There's just no John Krucks out there.

Well, Cecil Fielder, Prince Fielder, David Weld. Bartolo Colon. The Panda guy. Tony Gwyn. My guy Mo Vaughn. Kirby Puckett. C.C. Back then it was just about hitting the baseball.

Now it's about like Babe Ruth And hitting the baseball Right, right, right Who's baby Ruth? Is that the line? No. The Sandlot line.

Quoth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it is. You're right, you got it. Okay. And, you know, ultimately, there's one guy that belongs in this conversation,

like worst sports bodies is Tom Brady. Yeah. But somehow he has pivoted and made himself a sex symbol. Yeah. Is that crazy or what? See the jet skiing? Yeah, he looked great.

Oh, my God. Look great. Yeah, but that's what money, a nice face and success does. Yep. You know what I mean? The bones were all there. He just looked like shit early.

But it's just like how some of these some of these women get hotter as they get older. Yeah. Like I think the time's coming for Big Ben Rathlisberger before long. You think? He's going to be like Brady out on that jet ski. Yeah. He just hasn't turned the corner yet.

Yeah, and turn the corner. Just takes them a minute. It's all there. Yeah, it's all there. Now, I just say this, though, But that's all in it like that's all Tom Brady running at the combine. I've never seen an athlete who's had more of a delta between like at one point they were the laughing stock of anybody with the TV like they were like who let this IT guy into the combine. He can't even run.

His face looks puffy. It looks fat. And then 20 years later, 30 years later, he's like anybody would fuck him. except for us well speak for yourself i mean i don't i mean sometimes i don't do women really think tom brady's that hot i think so really yeah okay yep all right i want to talk about kyle long okay see that one up read yeah uh so kyle latest debate yeah he fired off a tweet yesterday or Sunday that got us thinking, but

the tweet said, got me thinking. Who would be more successful? An NFL offense playing defense or an NFL defense playing offense. Speaking of engagement farming, that was not the exact tweet.

The tweet was worded differently. It was... The tweet was not a question. The tweet was, you could take an NFL starting offense and switch them to defense and they would play better than a defense would be at offense.

First off, notice it's, okay, Kyle Rivers. It's kind of like with Austin Rivers, no football players were talking about this. Like, we just weren't. And now we've got offensive guys talking about this, which to me feels like the offensive guys now need a little pat on the back. Well, I'm not going to give it to you, Kyle.

You're wrong. And I'm really not being, I don't think I'm being a homer here. because number one, where are you putting the quarterback? Well, counterpoint. Who's your quarterback from the other side? Doesn't matter. We're going to run the ball. And then where's the quarterback?

We're a triple option. Where's the QB? Safety. Bro, we are going to find him. We are going to find that quarterback. I guess you, well, no, you can't bury formations. You can't, like, get nickel or dime. Like, he just said, like, the 11 on the field.

11 on the field has to be on the field. And he went as far as saying some guy, and handsome Rob said, all but a few of these QBs would be worthless on defense. So it's already 10 and 11, O line plus tight end playing coverage against extremely athletic safety and linebacker would get ugly. We'd look closer to 60s football, but I'll give it to the deep. Handsome and smart Rob. Kyle, I disagree on the all but a few comment.

Kyle, show me the quarterbacks that could play defense. I mean, Lamar Jackson? Just because Josh Allen's big and tall doesn't mean he can play defense. Right. I put, you're doing the NBA thing. Yeah. Also, where's your pass rush coming from? Yeah. That's, I think that would be the most glaring different. Yeah. The irony here is the whole conversation I know this is coming from his belief that he could be like an elite defense event. He said that at multiple, on multiple occasions in this room. And usually I go, yeah, well, you never know, Kyle. I'm, I'm, but no, I'm, O' Allen would be a better guard than Zach Martin would be a defensive lineman. 100%. It's the easy, no offense. I'm a non. Put a big guy in there. Not knower of ball. That's what's set out the most to me. Except for maybe the center position, which seems to involve a bit more nuance.

I feel like center would be really hard. Would be hard. Would be hard. Otherwise. This whole conversation, though, it's just going to look like muddle huddle out there. Yeah. Like there's no definitive yes or no. In fact, like the only thing, just basic math tells me that if we have 11 guys that can tackle and play physical and you have 10, that's going to be a problem. Yeah. You know, you've got, you've got like 8% less players.

Right. You know, and math. Huh? Math, good. Yeah. So I don't think so. And also, like, maybe Tyreek learns to back pedal. I think Tyreek and a couple guys, like, who are really explosive and athletic,

but, like, a lot of these wide receivers, they're not built to be defensive backs. I know the old joke is like, well, I know where you play defensive back. Yeah. But it's not just that. So I would say this, Kyle, your coverage has got to. to be incredible because y'all you all could not pass rush that's the thing like i could turn i could turn a tall defensive tackle into an offensive tackle it's happened i've seen it happen there was a guy for the eagles that played defensive line in uh he was real tall he played defensive line in a three four

there's a ton of three four guys that could play tackle right but show me the tackles that could edge rush show me the guys that could it's kind of akin to the basketball conversation where it's like okay, you're projecting skill acquirement. You know, like if we were to say, hey, we're athletic, we can go play in the NBA. That'd be false because there's skills that are involved that would keep us from doing it. Same thing would happen. Like, guys have been past rushing their whole lives. And guess what?

Your arm length at guard matters on defensive line. You know what I mean? No. Totally different. Kyle, I don't know what you're doing. But like, let's start with the Super Bowl offense, the chiefs. Where are you put in MBS? He's the best offense in the league.

They won the Super Bowl. It's not the best offensive league. Without you going through any more names, he's at corner. MVS. Yeah. Oh, he's break, his leg, his leg's going to get broken trying to back pedal. Okay. There's no way.

Okay, MBS. I don't know. Rice. I don't know. I haven't seen him run backwards. Corner. Yeah, again, it's just like, we're just hoping that, you know how hard corner is? There are guys that have been playing corner their whole fucking lives.

Like the queue for corners in Philly They went through like 12 of them None of them can play They've been playing their whole lot Some got drafted, some like And a lot of them are athletic and fast Okay, so Rice But you've said you're not throwing on these guys

Let's keep going We might throw on these guys We might throw on these guys Smart not to tip your Might throw some screen Yeah, good Okay Kelsey Kelsey doesn't

Listen all due respect to Travis Kelsey He's one of my favorite people And he's an incredible athlete And he's one of the best tight ends ever play the game but he doesn't even have a tricep. His tricep looks like my tricep. So where's Travis going to play?

Outside backer. No. Okay, all right. Good point. It's a different thing. I mean, the middle of the field, like, who is going to play at the second level for the offense? Right.

Like, who's going to be there? Okay, so what are you, an empty? Yeah. So if you're an empty, okay, then who are your linebackers? Right. It's going to be Travis Kelsey so far. It's not good. And a running back maybe.

Okay. If you're in, if you're in. If you're in, if you're in like 11 personnel, who are your linebackers? You're going to be a nickel, just two linebackers? You're going to have Pacheco sitting there beating up the ground, dude. And he's got the mentality to play defense. But Pacheco just doing this shit all day. Like the play's over there.

He's like, oh, and Kelsey with no tricep trying to take on an ISO, like that's not going to happen. You can't just keep it outside backer unless you're going to run a three, four. Where are those four linebackers? Find me the linebacker. You put Freed Humphrey out there at linebacker? He would be, he'd probably be the best of the bunch. Just of the play action pass.

Oh, yeah. He'd be stuck in the mud, okay? So I don't know. You're welcome to come on the show and discuss this, but I don't know what you're talking about. All right, well, who's your quarterback on the other side? Mike Dana. Who used to play quarterback?

Where would you want to play? Tight end, fullback, left tackle, Right tackle? Where are you? Offense? Yeah. None of them. Well, you have to in this exercise. Tight end.

Tight end. Yeah. Okay. Catch a lot of balls in the flat. Yeah. I don't go over the middle of the field. Yeah. Fuck that, dude.

So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. What number are you wearing? Josh Sweat just changed his number to 19. I'm changing minus 13. Okay. That's a great number.

Yeah. It's great number. Greed slanger. What, CMC going to be Cooper de Jean? Like, we just, assuming here? Like, what's going on? Where the fuck is Kirk Cousins playing? I mean, can you imagine Philip Rivers playing anywhere? Just go through any NFL offense. I will shoot this argument. Yeah. It's not even an argument. You haven't done the reverse yet. Failed engagement farming. I didn't

engage, Kyle. To be fair, you have not done the reverse yet. You have no, but we're not the ones making the claim. Okay. That's the point is like, I don't make claims like this because I'm like, hey, I don't have to try to take other people's shine like the NBA players are Kyle Rivers. You know? Like defensive guys are over here, mine in our fucking business. It turns out that we're the realest ones in the bunch. NBA guys, they're over here talking, talking, talking.

Okay, or any football players are going to talk? Okay, now the offense is talking, talking, talking. It's not going to happen, dude. No, it ain't going to happen. Talk to me about this 1961 video. of a fan on the field. Hey, talk to me about this, Kyle. You have never seen a ball carrier

until he passes your face. Like, imagine the inverse of that. Like having to shock, put your head in the right gap, make sure he's not going on the other gap. Doors opening. Door's closing. Doors closing.

You're looking everywhere. Like, what are you going to do when they run a fucking bootleg? What are you doing when they run a reverse, bro? They love it. These are O-Lyman because they're so smart. Like, that's what they say. Because they got big books. They got big playbooks. They're dumb. They're over there just doing. Well, you know why we're dumb? Because

athletically, you can't do what we do. Like, we're over there. We don't have a lot to worry about because they don't, we don't need to complicate things. You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. We got to think around everything. You also couldn't deal with defensive line coaches. We keep your coaches. You get our coaches. A lot of hurt feelings Oh boy A lot of hurt feelings They are the most sensitive bunch

Counterpoint Fan ran out and played effective defense in 1961 That's true Do you see the Patriots in 1961 This video went viral Yesterday or the day before I didn't even know this But well I guess the Patriots didn't know it either

Nobody knew it They were playing a football game And they're down there in the red zone With the fucking With the uprights right there on the one yard line so it's a long time ago. And somebody's trying to throw a pass and this drunk

fucking Boston guy runs a hero? Yeah, hero. And bats down the pass. And the game ends. And the game ends. And nobody says anything. I mean, he creeps like right

right behind one of the umpires. But look how close the fans are though. Yeah. Yeah. There's a court side seat in basketball. It's like courtside. Which made me think we need to get back to this.

well also that like it's not that hard to affect the outcome of a game think about this if you owe like if you're down a lot of money and the bet's not going well like I'm sure you get prosecuted for running on the field but the casino probably have no recourse they probably just they probably just void the bet right like some guy ran on the field it happens to be me but like we had a guy at UVA that supposedly tried to trip a guy on the sideline oh yeah yeah yeah Joe Geek yeah And then who else tripped a guy? There's been a few trippings.

So you can do this stuff. Guys running down the sideline. You're sitting at like 20-yard line. Fucking everybody's looking at the ball carry. You just jump the fence and get out there. Yeah. At some point it's worth it. At some point it's worth it.

In the red zone, it wouldn't be that hard, right? Like in a big moment in the game, what if somebody fucked up the catch just ran out of the basketball? Basketball is way easy. Shoot down the scoreboard. Shoot down the scoreboard. just hand-check somebody from your court side seat. Yep, even better.

That's smarter. Shoot down the fucking scoreboard. Oh, we're going to have to find another gym. It's going to be a long time. And then in baseball, I think it's pretty easy too. It's like pop fly with everything in the line. Like, you've got a ton of time to get onto the field. And what do they do that?

It's fan interference. So there's recourse, right? Right. But I can't really think of a recourse in the NFL. Like, I haven't seen this happen. What would the rule be if somebody ran out and fucking tripped, Cadarious Tony, you know? Yeah. Yeah, you can't assume a catch like that, especially when it's Cadarius Tony.

I, uh, tennis, tennis. Now, these tennis players are such mental, small people that all you need to do is create a short delay. Yeah. And they are totally thrown off. I mean, yeah, you're down a set and a break and your bet's lost. Just go dump Gatorade on the player. Be, oh, I thought it was over. I had no idea that tennis was like that. Oh, yes. Momentum turns on a dime. And their professional tournaments played just down the road. I mean, we

could be wagering major dollars. And some people gamble on tennis in this room. Some, yes, some have and do. And even by being boisterous, you can affect a tennis match. You can get into these people's heads. I'm just saying the NFL needs to look into this.

Monica Sellis? A lot of copycat crimes. Yeah. You know? I was joking about the Monica S Ellis during cross talk there. I don't advocate violence. Yeah. Do the opposite of advocate? All right. So the non-sports.

Condem it. The Home Alone House. Home Alone House from McCauley Colkins that he defended so valiantly is for sale. It's $5.25 million in Winnec, Winnecda. I don't know how it's it, Winnecta? Yeah, Winnecda, Illinois. W-I-N-N-E-K-T-A-W-N-E-K-T-A-W-N-E-K-T-A, Illinois. It's 671 Lincoln Avenue.

People are freaking out about this because they see the, you know, you know the outside of the house, you know what it looks like. And you remember the inside from, you know, sliding down the scene sliding down the banister and the big family dinners and the pizza going everywhere. But the inside of this house does not look anything like, like what the movie portrayed.

So there's there people say got massacred. Oh, get over it. An actor has also come out and said, yeah, we filmed that on a freaking soundstage. Yeah. And I read somebody yesterday was like, yeah, but it was a replica. It's not even the real fucking house. Oh, you filmed the outside of the house. They got a fucking megachurch where Shib Park was.

They had World Series games there. Shib. Shib, that's what I said. Okay, sorry. They played the first A.L. Night games. game there. Okay, people were taking the toilets home when they closed that motherfucker. And because you like the movie, you're mad it's not an ugly house anymore? Well, ugly? The outside of the house is beautiful. Always has been. But who wants to live in a house that looks like it's 1987? Okay, but I also don't

want to live in this sterile 24. Yeah, but a lot of fucking finance bros in Chicago want to live there. I don't know. Okay. Well, sure, but you got to fix it. I mean, they have the floorings a little bit. I mean, that was a good looking house. Now, you probably could have updated the wallpaper and stuff. And I mean, this was like mid-90s, so all this was, you know, in the... Yeah, but like, why do you home alone people... You buy the house. Right.

Right? Everybody's so fucking mad. Oh, I'm so mad. Pull your money together and buy the house and live there. If you like it so much, why don't you marry it? And even though we can't say the name of the city, it's well known in a gorgeous house. I'm surprised it's not more expensive. I think the bigger question is what? Kevin McAllister had what, six siblings or whatever?

It was what his dad did to afford this house and a first class flights over to, what was it, France when they all traveled? That's the bigger question. What did he do that could afford that family? Human trafficking. Real estate. This Winnetka is just north of Chicago. It's on that lake, that big lake. No, no, everybody likes it there.

North of Evanston. Just get over it. You have the movie. Just watch the fucking movie. You've never been to this house. It's not like they're having tours of the house. People have been living here. You can't knock on the door and go inside and be like,

I want to remember what the set was like because it's not even the house. But like, hey, they filmed a movie here. Well, they didn't film it here, but they filmed in a place that looked like it. And I'd like to come in. You've never been able to do that. The only way this is a real place is in your fucking head. Nice. That's right.

Just enjoy the place in your head. Yep. Watch the movie. It's not a big deal. I mean, this thing is 10 seconds from Lake Michigan. We might want to look into this house. 9,000 square feet, too big for me. Hey, I just want to thank Austin FC for sending me some gear.

They sent me a hat. They sent me a jersey. Hold that bad boy up. Yeah, that's clean. That's cream and mint. This is one of the nicest kits I have. That really is good looking. Yeah, it really is.

And it looks like it's big enough for me. I want to be looking like Mahomes out here. Yeah. So shout out to Austin FC. Y'all take care.