Green Light with Chris Long - Goldberg! Wrestler Bill Goldberg Talks Life in the NFL & the Ring, Movie Career & New Projects.

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

(2:20) - Goldberg on Healing, Pain Management in Wrestling and Football, and Partnership with Gallant Nutrition.  (9:25) - Goldberg’s Time in the NFL: LA Rams and Atlanta Falcons in the 90s, Playing with Deion and Eric Dickerson and Seeing James Brown and MC Hammer at Practice. (18:35) - Fatherhood and Family, Providing the Right Examples for Your Kids & Marrying a Stuntwoman. (27:45) - Transition to Wrestling, WWE/WCW Career, PGA Tour Stunt, Toughest Wrestlers and Wrestlers Becoming Fighters. (42:40) - Commonalities with Wrestlers and Football Players in Retirement and Making that Transition. (55:22) - Longest Yard, Famous Car Collection and What is Next for Goldberg. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tennessee, y'all, 2. 1-800-9-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Cowboy. That's my best wrestling announcing impression because today is Goldberg Day at Greenlight. The wrestler Bill Goldberg joins, and he runs through about five lifetimes of career memories. Goldberg talks about what he's up to now, some upcoming projects, and his brand new nutritional partnership he's announcing.

One of the most decorated wrestlers in history, he talks about transitioning from pro football into wrestling, some of his favorite memories from the ring, a couple viral moments he was involved in his movie career. And then Chris, Nate, and Goldberg get a little serious in talking about retirement from the ring and from the gridiron and how we can ease that transition. Right off the top, again, we've got Bill Goldberg here, who's one of both of our heroes. I mean, like if you were a dude in the 90s, like, you know, he's like a badass uncle or somebody. He feels like he's part of your family. You watch him wrestle so much. I feel like if you watch wrestling at all, at some point you speared your friend, your brother, your cousin.

in maybe your sister but you definitely use the speed. You had Bill Goldberg on the brain and what was cool for me and I was just telling Goldberg this before he popped on here was I have an autograph I have like an 8 by 10 from from Goldberg because my pops hooked me up and I always really liked him because I associated him with my dad and the guys that I knew growing up because he was an NFL player and then a rassler so how are you doing today man? I'm doing great man. first and foremost, it's an honor and a privilege to be on not only because of who your father is,

but the wonderful career that you guys had and hats off, man. It's just been too long. Thanks, brother. Thank you so much. And I want to plug this first off because you're still in great shape. What are we tipping the scales at these days? I think are you like 265? Yeah, I'm right.

I'm right about 265, 270. I'm trying to get back up. You know, I may have to work again one of these days, but. I know what 265 looks like. That's kind of, no, I never looked as good at 265, and he's in his 50s,

but holy shit. But he's got this new pre-workout powder, a bunch of other stuff. Tell us about Gallant here, and what you're doing with some of the, I mean, there's CBD in some of this stuff. Yeah, I just pop one of these gummies.

Yeah, the gummies. And just taste off the taste is really good. Sometimes some of the stuff is not really easy to take down, but those are the chill gummies, man. You got to do them at, night. Well, you don't have to do them at night. You can do them 24-7, man. It just keeps you kind of on an even plane. But yeah, they are really good. And so the problem is you can't take too many of them. You can't take many, right? You'll just be completely on cruise control. But, you know,

you guys know, anytime you make it to a certain area in your life to where companies reach out and they want you to put their name on their product, you got to be really, you got to be really stringent. in the process and I don't want to be associated with anybody who doesn't represent me and the standards that I have. You guys can understand that, you know, so at 55 years old, at the juncture of my life, when I'm trying to repair all the shit that I've done to my body, it's nice to be associated with a company that's in the CBD space and that knows exactly what they're talking about. They got over 100 years of experience with the guys in the executive positions.

do everything in-house from growing the hemp plant to extracting it to running all the tests to to deliver in the product. But the culmination of a relationship that I made when I was in college and you tend to hold on to those because those were the fun years. And this kid was a chiropractor and everything he touched turned to gold. He turned me on to a guy named Bill Margaritas, who was a high-level executive at FedEx for years. Bill started this company. It's a a brand, it's an offset called Gallant. I'm really happy with it, man, whether it's the cream for muscle soreness or for joint stiffness or like a roll-on or they've got CBD sleep. It's really, it's really good, man. And for somebody who has destroyed his body throughout the

years and who was never dependent on pain killers by any stretch of imagination, but for someone in that situation, this just gives them another time. choice and it's a safe choice. It's a purely natural choice and it's a company that's in the United States. So there are a lot of pluses and like I said, man, it's been a long time since I put my name on a product first time a nutritional product like this and I'm very happy with it and they represent me well. So onward and upward man, everybody should try it. If you have sleep problems, you have joint issues, you have muscle soreness. I'm raising all I'm raising all my hands. Hey, we're over here like, hey over here.

Yeah, every box in my life, except for the fact that they do have a cream that's like a, it's like a facial kind of facelift kind of deal. They quite obviously haven't given me that product yet. But I'm going to be reaching out for it too. Okay, good. Well, congrats on the launch, man. It's awesome. And yeah, you're right. Like, if you're going to be lending your likeness or your name to anything that has to do with, you know, the body and like, you know, trying to perfect your craft, there's athletes out there, you know.

that's if Bill Goldberg's saying hey this stuff's legit it's legit what hurts on you man like you're 55 this is like you know like I know you could say everything but I always like I know where my dad's hot spots are I played 13 years you played in the NFL you were a wrestler for a long time I don't know I'll ask you in a bit which which industry is tougher on your body but what hurts on you today I'd say my left knee and my right shoulder my shoulder you know the famous Jim Andrews did a reconstruction on my shoulder in 85 when I was at University of Georgia. And, you know, that thing, whether it's the dealt, whether it's the labrum that I've completely ripped off the bone. You know, the unfortunate part is that you can't always get things fixed

when you want to get them fixed, right? If a guy named Vince McMahon picks up the phone and calls me tomorrow and says, hey, Bill, can you be ready in three weeks? Well, I just can't be ready in three weeks if I just got cut on. So with the opportunities presenting themselves still, even in 55 years old, I can't really take time six, eight months to sit on the shelf, not until I'm done. The injuries that I have are just being compounded by me continuing to train and continuing to go out there and wrestle at 55 years old. I mean, I took a chainsaw to my left knee, unfortunately, in a very strange accident.

but, you know, that's led to some shitty circumstances for that area of my body. You know, uh, was there blood? Oh, yeah, there was, was there blood. Yeah. There was blood. It was like a good wrestling match. Okay. But I had too much blood.

Too much blood. Damn, dude. But here's the deal. We're all, we're all men here, right? So I want you to know that I was at home by myself and I went in. I took a shower. I had a nice little drink. a nice little meal and did the things that you know you can't do when you're going to get cut on

or get a cast put on. And then I drove myself to the hospital and the rest is his. And men, we do lead the league in like a mechanical injury. Like, so this makes sense. Even the baddest men on the planet can still fuck themselves up with the chainsaw or whatever. But I kind of wondered that because you said, hey, when I got cut on by James Andrews in 85, like surgery has come so far since back in the day. the day like when you all play ball or like you know an acel was a death sentence and that whole thing

do you think that that's going to affect the longevity of wrestlers today or will the longevity kind of outpace the popularity of guys like you know what I mean because I feel like back in the day you probably had to get out after certain injuries but today the way that the NFL has changed the way they handle industries has that crossed over into wrestling and does that change the outlook for young wrestlers. It does, but it's a totally different landscape. I mean, you guys know, I mean, when your dad played, I mean, not only were the helmet still leather back then, but, you know, not only has the game changed exponentially, but the players have changed. So the participants are not only smarter, but the technology is different, training's different. You know,

the house shows on the wrestling circuit have been cut down, you know, by far. So the, The pounding on your body isn't what it used to be when I was on the road 200 days a year. The best way I can describe wrestling is that it's like a pro football player crossed with a rock star. Right. So it takes the physicality. But you're also out all the time doing PR stuff. And you've got to be with the public. And you're burning a candle at both ends.

It's just tough, you know. But I think that and look at the business itself. Look at guys like Hogan who could walk. walk around the ring and look at the crowd and make a certain gesture and not even touch for 15 minutes and be highly entertaining. These days, I don't think the guys have the ability to do that near as much as we did back in the day, and they supplement it with high-flying moves. So their repertoire is always exhausted every time they go out.

So, I mean, they're doing some high technical shit. Like, I went to the top rope my second match, and my boss told me never do it again. And that was the best thing to ever happen to because it meant that I could stay on the ground the whole time. Right. So, I mean, and also at the end of the day, you look at longevity. You look at, you know, guys who are busting their loads trying to show everything in every match to make it to a certain level. Well, once they make it to that level, their bodies are going to be destroyed. Yeah.

So it's a different entity. I mean, it's in the end. I don't want to, it's tough because I'm an old man and, you know, back in the day. But back in the day, dudes were tougher than shit. I mean, Jack Youngblood, one of the one of my idols. My guy. Love football league. Played in the freaking Super Bowl with a broken femur.

Yeah. Right? Now, who's going to do that these days? Yeah. So it's, it's not apples to apples anymore. As far as the longevity thing's concerned, I just, I don't think guys are going to be playing like Clay Matthews 21 years anymore. Jackie Slater, Mike Ken, guys like that.

I played with Mike Ken and Clay their 21st year, both of them on the same team. You know, I don't think that's going to be able to be replicated just because, well, and also because of the landscape. I mean, you guys can segue to Hollywood quicker than ever before. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. How about I play with Matt Slater, Jackie's son. Me and Matt, Matt's on the board of actually my foundation. so we got really tight.

I love Matt. I love his dad too. That's pretty damn cool. Yeah, what a great family. And then, like, you got to see some of that

out in the beginning in L.A., right? Because before you were a Falcon, you were a Ram? Dude, my day is in L.A. I mean, I could tell you stories about things,

you know, that was when the Everett Jim Rome gimmick happened. I remember. We were just talking about that shit. Were we not just talking about that shit? You had to, yeah.

Yeah, remember the Henley story about the cheerleader? Remember that one? Well, we had Eric Dickerson on recently, and I did not expect Eric Dickerson to tell us all the stories. But he just, Eric is wide open. So he gave us an hour of like L.A. Rams confidential stuff. I was like, damn, I'm back behind the Velvet Road. Okay, here's another one that he didn't tell you.

Remember Bill Hawkins? Okay. Hawke played defensive end, the University of Miami, right? And extremely long story short, we're in a defensive line meeting. Turlink was our coach at the time. And he's got stories behind him that are terrific. They're highly entertaining. But let's just say that one of the assistants came in and they handed Turlink a package.

Turling looked at it and he looked at Bill. And Bill had a bet with his sister that she wouldn't send him her placenta. So he gets it in a FedEx bucket. Turlink proceeds to hand it to the trainer. The trainer proceeds to take it out and bury it on the practice field. During practice, his dog is digging it up and eating. Okay. That's some D-Line room shit, though.

That only happens in a D-Line room. A D-Line room is like a fucking preschool where people are just picking their boogers and there's a kid over in the corner, like taking a shit, he's got it in his hand. The teacher's like, what the fuck are we doing here? That's what the D-Line room is like. Imagine being in D-Line meetings with Jumpy Gathers. Yeah, I can't. Jumping is the most folklorish some bitch I've ever seen and or heard of.

And you can't find videos of them online. I've looked. I was with Chuck Smith a couple weeks ago down in Atlanta. The past Russian school, I took my son down there. And we're talking about jumping, and he's got to be the most underrated defense alignment in the history of the NFL. And also another key fact of playing in the late 80s, early 90s is no social media, no camera phones, nothing.

So like dudes were running wild. And you played in L.A., but then you played in Atlanta, and it sounded like that group was kind of wild. Well, yeah, Pigram. Eric Pigram used to sneak me out every night. I used to carry Dion's bags. That's cool, dude. I mean, I can tell you some great stories about the, those are the Glanville day.

Uh-huh. Right? When we had James Brown practicing with us, and we had MC Hammer flying to Sanfran with. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What position is James Brown? What position is James Brown? James Brown's dream was to run the ball in like a 9-7 drill, right? And so Scott Case is in, obviously, the defensive backfield.

And Glanville is buddy, buddy, buddy right next to him. And he's talking to Kate. And all of a sudden, James Brown gets the ball. He breaks the line of screaming. Nobody touches him. And Glamville walks up the case and he says, hit him. And Case looks at him. He goes, are you fucking crazy?

And Blamble goes, yeah, I'm crazy. So hit him. He says, you don't hit him. I'm cutting you right now. So Case puts his helmet on, snaps it up and takes a step. And Glennville grabbed him and said, man, I'm just kidding. It was a test. Would you kill him?

Would you hit James Brown? Unbelievable. Hey, dude. M.C. Hammer loses like 10, 20 grand. Every time we went out to the West Coast because it was a four-hour flight to San Fran, and he and Deion would play boo-ray the whole way. Wait, M.C. Hammer was on those flights?

Wow. Man, they were just... Atlanta was a cool place to be in the early 90s, dude. Yes, it was. And Jeff George, is he on those teams? Did you play with Jeff George? George is there? Chris Miller. God, who else was the...

Who else did they? Will you agree with Joe Tolliver and then A-Bair was there. A-Bair was crazy. I played with either his son or his nephew, T. Bob A-Berr, who actually was an LSU kid and a guard. That's funny, man. Will you agree with me on this, that those were the best Falcons uniforms,

like the 90s Falcons uniforms before they changed or do you like the new ones? Oh, I like the old ones. Old school. 100% those were awesome. Yeah, you look sick. You look sick in a 70s number, actually, which is hard. Like, you know what I mean? Like, when you get in the league first and you're young,

they'll give you a number that just like, fuck. 75. I wore 72. I was the top five pick. There was just too many veterans in that room, and you know it costs to get that number. So I was like, fuck it. O.C.U.M. and Yora makes it look good.

Yeah. But how about in L.A. was Jeff Fisher there when you were there? Because either you just missed fish coached me for a long while. Yeah. coached me the second year. Robinson was there the first year. He cut me right on the field in pads, which was a great experience. But yeah, I went back to neck. I tore my hamstring in the last preseason game and they cut me unbeknownst to me. And then, you know, I rehabbed throughout the year

and then I went back to camp again and they cut me again. But yes, the second year was with fish. Fish is my dude. He was probably wide open in the 90s in L.A. Yes. what do you think is uh like you know you have you have a son now i was reading a little bit about him he plays baseball he's pretty damn good uh baseball player which is a for me at least as football player if my son was good at baseball i'd be sighing like a big sigh relief right i don't know how you feel about like your son getting into things that you did because you know how it feels and you also know the strains of it and like how that you but actually you should

have a mirror, be looking in the mirror and telling me how it feels to be the son and, you know, following the footsteps. Because I need to hear some insight what my son's feeling, because I think he pretty much hates me right. Well, he's a teenager, right? 16 years old. Okay, yeah, he fucking hates you, but it's not personal. You're still one of the best dads in the world, I bet. And the same thing with my dad, me and my dad used to fucking go at it. You know, as a teenager, you know, I was a temperamental teenager once. And yeah, it's harder having a dad who casts a big shadow. I mean, like, that's the cost of you giving your kids or your son what you never had.

You know what I mean? But where there's time you resent that? For sure. And there's still times where I resent it. You know, when somebody wants to compare my career to his or that sort of thing, it's like, man, fuck, mine can't stand alone. It was pretty goddamn good itself. But that's going to make him tougher in whatever he does because he's going to have a thicker skin

because he's used to dealing with bullshit. it. When he walks in a room, people feel like they have an idea of who he is, and they haven't even asked him his name yet. And I think that's going to make him stronger. And I think he's going to be able to separate those two things, because it sounds like you guys have a great relationship. I never took that out on my dad. You know, my dad's one of my best friends in the world. Nate knows this. And I love my pops. I always have. So I think the trials and tribulations that come with being your son or me are a good thing ultimately. I think it is. You know, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's tough right now dealing with a 16-year-old with a lot of testosterone that he's never had before.

But, yeah, and I just, I mean, he's been playing football for two years, too. I didn't, we moved out to Texas three years ago. And I didn't let him touch a weight or put a football helmet on until he was in ninth grade. Yeah. He went out like a freaking, like he was shot out of a cannon, which was awesome. And then trade his second year in Pads, which was last year, he plays middle linebackers, so he had to start thinking. So he's like five seconds behind everything.

So he's starting middle linebacker for the varsity, the upcoming junior season. I've taken him to Atlanta to work out with Chuck Smith, and now we're working with Derek Johnson, played with UT in Kansas City for years. Great, great player. He took him to UGA about a month ago, and he went through the strength of condition with the team.

It was cool, man. So we can't provide some opportunities that the normal human being can't provide, but you know I can't I can lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink and I can set him up in every way humanly possible but at the end of the day he's the one that's that's really making it happen so what do you think's the most important thing like if you could look at him in 10 years and be like this is important that my son is this because now I'm asking you as the dad of somebody you know like who's going to be compared to I don't know like me as as a dad I'm looking at my sons and

I'm like I don't need them to play in the NFL but there are certain non-neutral but there are certain nondi negotiables when they become a man like who I want them to be they don't have to be me but they have to be something what is that for you I just want him to treat people like he wants to be treated period and the story he's a great kid he really is you know it evens out because I'm a I'm a I'm a prick and then I my wife's awesome ex-stunt woman ex-model you know she's Canadian so she's chill and so you know he's got a real soft side to him but he also has a little bit of an edge. So the beauty of me as a human is that I think that I have a wide range. You know, I can go speak on Capitol Hill about dog fighting and cockfighting, and yet I can go out and rip someone's

face off in three seconds, you know, in the wrestling ring and provide as much blood as necessary. So it's range. And so I'd love for Gage to be able to, you know, knock the runnerback out and then pick him up afterwards, right? Have the compassion for other humans. that needs to be shown at any level and every level, no matter who and or what you are. So as long as he treats people like he wants to be treated, man, that means I'm a success. That's so fucking awesome. I mean, because we were just talking about this the other day. Like being a man to me is about being able to do all that badass stuff, but you don't have to walk around like it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, those are the men that I really respect. is like, man, I know what he can do, but he doesn't, everything's not a nail just because you have a hammer. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's awesome. That's why I can play coach Nick on the Goldbergs, right? Because I have a sense of humor and I don't have a problem emasculating myself because it's done every day.

Yeah, you're damn right. But if somebody cuts me off, then, you know, I'll, yeah, I'll do my, I'll beat me. Yeah, you'll be you. Is that one of your biggest ticks getting cut off? like no I can't say that now because I'm up for a hosting gig for a show called the road rage oh wow I thought it was actually about me but they want me to host it that was a pleasant fucking surprise wasn't it like holy shit they saw me in traffic no look at that how how bad a road rage do you have to land a hosting deal well road rage is scary now dude I saw somebody

dumped 14 rounds into somebody's car the other day out of nowhere over some words It's terrifying, especially living in Texas and knowing that every single human being's got a gun. And my son just gets his license a month ago. And, you know, he sees how I drive and how my wife drives. I mean, we drive a tiny bit faster than the normal human being. But at the end of the day, you know, I mean, it's about experience. And I can drive the way that I've tried because of what I've done. You married a stunt woman.

That's a great segue to marrying a stunt woman. Did you meet her on a set? Or do you guys run into each other Like you're comparing notes on how to do backflips and shit or what's going on? No, no she got talked into doing this movie I'll come clean with it She thought she was doing a movie with Jeff Goldblum Nice, okay

And she showed up and it was Bill Goldberg That's so great That's so good How about that? Isn't Goldblum the guy in Jurassic Park? Total opposite. Yeah.

She was like, oh, this is the T-Rex that where's Jeff Goldblum? Like this is one of the scary. She's probably seen like, damn, Jeff is big in real life. That's so good, dude. The plus was that I was dressed up like Santa Claus

the first time we met, right? So I can tell you so many stories, dude. I mean, my assistant and I flew up to Saskatchewan two weeks early so that we could, assemble all of the girls for the strip club scene. And we get to the day where we're shooting, we get in the room, and everyone's naked except for one girl, and she's sitting over there in the corner. And I asked my assistant to go over and see what was up with her.

And he comes back and says, that's the sun girl. And the rest is history. The one of the 50 that didn't have her clothes off is the one that I went after. So look at that. You're a good man, dude. What I'm learning about, I'm not. They say never meet your heroes. Like, no, this is cool.

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Claim your credits at Indeed.com.com slash bluewire. Indeed.com slash blue wire. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire, you need Indeed. Is there a story behind the tattoo? And as a wrestling fan, that I guess maybe other other people think about this but why only one tattoo why wasn't like you were a wrestler your body's kind of like a canvas you would

think after one hey maybe he'll get more tattoos was there a reason why you you didn't go that route I can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery let's just say that that's true yeah on my ink so I might as well just go overboard and go from one end of the spectrum to the next to get a sleeve that's what I'd like to do is I don't like to get a sleeve but you know like I said Vince can call tomorrow and I'd be wrestling mid-tattoo but you know I saw a guy with a tattoo very similar to this on some movie and I screenshot it and I kept it for about two years and then I got done with the Falcons and I'm like you know what man I'm gonna you know I'm just gonna go a different look and I'm just gonna be me right and so I had the guy freehand draw it after about six shots of tequila and whatever he came up with turned Not to be terrific because it fit my arm. And I like it, man.

You know, it's a little archaic now, but then I followed it up with that one, you know. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I don't know. I may, I may just tattoo my entire body. Yeah, one day, one day. I mean, yeah. What, do you remember what movie it was that somebody had that bad boy in? Yeah, it was cool.

It was, it was, actually, it was pretty funny because when we did this movie called Ready to Rumble, when I was at WCW and it was actually John Cena's first movie he was an extra there was a kid that was in the ring who was a Muay Thai it was a kickboxer and he and it was him

he had the freaking tattoo and I actually told him the story that you know I got it because of him well we cannot because of him because of the tattoo but it was pretty cool how that came full circle your brand as a wrestler it's interesting because like the number one thing that stands

to me as you go with your name and you know you're not dressing yourself up with a lot of crazy shit which i think some of that's cool but i thought you were real like uh kind of what you see is what you get what was the intentionality behind all that shortest distance between two points is a straight line and less less is more right i wanted to be the mike tyson of wrestling i wanted everything that people saw to speak for itself i didn't i didn't talk for the first six months i just i i thought that I could provide a character similar to throwing Romans to the Lions, right? You don't know what you're going to get, but you better stay tuned at the edge of your seat because it's not going to take long and it's going to be fucking violent. And so, you know,

those that and mixed martial arts was becoming a thing back then. I went to the first, I don't know, seven or eight UFCs, got to be friends with a lot of the guys that were pioneers of the business. And I idolized them and I love martial arts. I love martial arts. And I started studying, you know, tape after tape after tape and start taking classes with people. Then I opened the MMA gym in Atlanta after the Falcons. So I just, I wanted simplicity. I wanted simple, but yet I wanted, I wanted, I wanted range. I wanted a quiet guy to come out there.

And then I wanted hell to break loose when the bell rang. So you were doing MMA when it was Alex Lugar and Sting found you, right? Yeah. So they just walk into an MMA gym. Are they kind of like, how does that work when they go out? Well, it's probably different now. But in the 90s, I would love to see a documentary about how they found wrestlers. Well, I found them, actually, because when I was at the Falcons, there was a gym called Main Event Fitness.

Got it. And that's where I trained every day. And Lex and Sting owned it. That's when, you know, I mean, I had seen the guys out, you know, playing with the Falcons, man. And the wrestlers, WCW being in Atlanta, I mean, those guys are. out every night. And we were out just about every night that we could get out. And it went back in the 80s

and the 90s was the place to be. So I'd rubbed shoulders with it many times before. You know, it's it. It wasn't a natural progression by any stretch imagination, but it was something that I had worked my entire life. Right. And so why not lend it to something that I could make more money than I

did my entire career in the first six months in the NFL? Who's the skis? Who's the scariest guy you've trained MMA with because you're a badass off out of the ring in your own right you're like a black belt right in BJJ and like you're a bunch of other stuff I bet but that's fucking scary who's the it's your big guy to be that good at it I mean like I used to I used to work with the company called glory kickboxing they have they have arguably the best stand-up fighters in the world and I got the opportunity I used to co-own a Muay kickboxing gym out in San Diego and that's a huge passion of mine is Muay Thai kickboxing.

And so I got the opportunity to fly to Amsterdam and train with Rico Verhoeven, their current heavyweight champion. And that dude's unbelievable. There's some scary guys out there. I mean, when Kimbo Slicse was alive, I trained with Kimbo. What was that like? It was wild, man. I was severely out of shape at the time.

But it was cool, man, just to be able to train with Dustin Porre, you know, Ivan Salivari, you know, Bob Sat, guys like Don Fry, the guys who pretty much put MMA on the docket, you know, the guys, Mark Coleman, the guys are walking around now where they can barely walk around right now. But it was an honor and a privilege to learn from those guys. Boss Rutin, you know, the original badasses who did this stuff, you know, way back in the day when there weren't rules. Yeah, back in the day when they were wearing like geese and shit into the ring. Like you've got some of the, you can't get your eyes.

You can kick him in nuts. You could do just about anything. What about Kimbo? Did Kimbo ever talk about when he fought that cop in Boston? Like they like had him into the precinct and they just like the biggest cop in Boston that could beat like the most people up. They were like, let's just get this Kimbo guy up here and just see what happens. They fought for like a 60 minutes. It felt like 60 minutes.

It was like a long video. Oh my God. They were like gasped out. that's the tired that's a tired part of fighting right like and that's what comes into play a lot for mma guys is like it's it's a it's like the endurance is out of control the only time i ever got really tired in my pro career like where i was this close to quitting was when jay haran who um who's a stunt guy and does um what's a good you know jay yeah so jay came out to train a group actually through jay glazer another jay who's your friend right yeah but

Jay Haran came out to train us and I was like, you're just on the edge of quitting the whole time. I mean, the fatigue is half the battle. I mean, forget about like getting punched in the face. So could you imagine being that fatigue and being out there fighting on national television? I mean, so the level of cardio you have to have is unbelievable associated with the amount of stress that you're putting your body mentally and physically. I mean, it's amazing to see some of those guys go out there and just treat it like a job. Could anybody be like, I don't want to say anybody because what Brock Lesnar's done has been amazing. Like at first you're like, no way.

A wrestler is going to all of a sudden take this shit over. But could with y'all's genetics and your training and just your backgrounds, do you think it was a matter of somebody had to apply themselves to be that great? And it was just whoever decided to do that from wrestling? Like were there other guys that you think could have done what Brock did? Or is Brock just different? There's a handful of guys who could have done it throughout the years. I mean, you can pick a couple old school guys, Ming and Barbarian. Those two guys, I would have put them in the ring with anybody.

But as far as picking and choosing, you know, one or two guys are a handful of guys that are professional wrestlers that could segue. There's no way humanly possible that they could do it, just having the wrestling background. They have to have, I mean, because Brock, he was a guy who never aspired to be a professional wrestler. any stretch of imagination. He talked down on it. But when it becomes an opportunity, you know, to put food on the table,

you have to look at it as a reality. But he was a life wrestler. You know, I mean, he did that for his entire life. And he was a little kid. It's all he did was wrestling. Throw dudes around for his entire life.

And that's one of the best bases for a mixed martial artist, you know, is to have the ability to take people down. It will. So I think it had to be a special individual, like a Brock Lesnar. I mean, Chad Gable. And the guys who you believe could do it are the guys with the wrestling pedigree.

So four people, Dark Alley, WWF guys that you're like out of the ring. I know like the characters, but guys that if you're caught in a dark alley that Goldberg wants with them, did you name two of them? 100%. Ming and Barbarian. And I'd have Brock, a thousand percent. I'd have Paul White, the giant, because he's seven foot, 500 pounds. So that in itself is fairly intimidating. And when dudes ever try guys, because you all went out to the bar a lot and hung out,

I heard, you know, people had a great time. And it was like a brotherhood. You know, you guys are on the road 200 days a year or whatever. Like you go out to a bar or people picking wrestlers to fuck with? No. No, I mean, there'll be some drunk asshole in the corner every once in a while. But there's a famous story out there when Rick Flick. and Ming got taken out of a nightclub and it took 13 cops to get Ming outside and they pepper

sprayed him and he laughed at him and broke the cuffs and all kind of shit but you know there I don't know it's some of it's probably been inflated but yeah it's probably not the stories that we haven't heard are probably even crazy yeah speaking of fans and like like drunk fans coming up to you the pGA stunt was that was that like a paid stunt or that was funny when you threw that guy in the lake Was that real? That wasn't real, was it? Okay, well, here's, no, it was not. Here's the deal.

You guys play in these celebrity golf tournaments, right? And I'm not the best golfer by any. I'm an entertainer, right? So before every tournament, I stopped by the local pro shop and buy some gimmick clubs, right? Some clubs that I just snap, and I end up signing them and handing them out to people in the gallery, right? Love the marketing. Love it. the shop pro or whatever comes up to me and he goes oh man can we please do something and i'm just like

okay let's figure something out so yes it was pre-player okay yeah i kind of had a feel that was a throw that was a far throw and there were rocks down there were rocks down there when you threw him i had no idea oh my goodness my goodness my heart almost jumped right out of my chest when he didn't clear it but more than by his that's i thought i was going to be sued Watching that video is what made me think like, hey, is this real or not because he was really close to that rock. And if he was, that looks scary. We had never gone through the throw before. So the timing, you know, you guys know this.

Timing is everything, right? So if he takes off before I launch him, it's like a wrestling move. It's a dance. So with the wrestling moves, were there, I mean, was it tough, like rehearsing and, like, like how much of it was off the cuff in the ring? You know, like you guys would have it planned out in choreograph, but then is there like also a little freestyling? Well, yeah, when you walk into the room and your opponent is Hulk Hogan

and you ask him what you're going to do in the match and he goes, don't worry, kid, we'll call it in the ring. Not always like by any means. That was the only time I was ever like that. You know, Flair did that to me a couple times, but, you know, it's all based on who your opponent is. Because at the end of the day, truthfully,

your opponent is no more than a dance partner. And you have to work in sync, man, to put on a great show. And these guys are great athletes, and they're tough kids and tough, you know, they're great at what they do. I mean, it's grown exponentially since I broke into the business.

And another thing that you said earlier that was really interesting was that now they do flips and you guys were on the ground. And it's like football. Football's changing. There's a lot of like gymnastic background. looking dudes. They know how to jump off the, like they probably train in gymnastics centers now.

I mean, I bet like. Yeah, I would think like down at the training facility, I'm sure that they have the ability to practice anything that they want, whether there's a pommel horse or a set of uneven bars down there. I don't know. But,

you know, it's all on your character and it's all, um, it's a package, man. And you try to stay within your, your realm. And I,

I, the only dream I ever had was to play professional football. And so I carry much of that into the wrestling ring as humanly possible. So it was an extension of my true self. Yeah. How about the character and like you are more yourself? But they definitely write things in for you that maybe you're like, man, I don't feel like fucking doing that tonight.

Like I don't want to be the heel. Like when you had to become a heel and all that stuff, like are there meetings? You know how they show you at the end of Game of Thrones? Like everybody's sitting in the room and when they tell you who dies, everybody's like, motherfucker and people are like like is it like that in y'all's meeting rooms it is to an extent i mean and and also it's dependent upon the relationship it's like a relationship with a head coach

right or a defensive coordinator right so you can eloquate to them how you're feeling or you can try to put a front up you know you can play them while they're trying to play you or you can work in conjunction and you know the older you get the longer you're in the business things come easier in that you can eloquate your feelings a lot more and with a lot less on the line because I've I've kind of done it all you know and I have always professed to be a wrestler not a booking agent so when when I walk in on my birthday uh in 97 or whenever the hell it was and they beat me for the first time after I was on a winning streak of 150,000 and nothing you know you would have thought that I would have walked in there and said absolutely not it's my winning streak

and it's on my freaking birthday. Have a little respect. But, hey, it's a business, man. And it's all predicated on the storyline. And you can't take it seriously. You really can't. You're talking about legends a little bit earlier. Hulk Hogan's come up.

Like, Andre the Giants, a guy that I've always wanted to know. Could he really drink as much beer as they said he could? I think he probably could drink more. I never got to meet him, but I've heard all the stories. And, you know, it's just people hear all that stuff. but they never really realized how much of pain that dude was. Yeah. You know, I mean, because you imagine how tough it is for us to fly on a commercial,

on a commercial, the dude's three times as wide as we are. I mean, he was a dude guy was 500 pounds. It was huge. And the pain that he had to endure every day. I wish he had the gallant CBD line of product. Yo, you're right. You're right. If he had some CBD, maybe he wouldn't have been in the back of the van with Jake the Snake.

Jake the Snake said they put a beanbag back there and Jake was like tasked with, you know, chaperoning him. like to and from this event and it was an 85 mile drive, right? So this, so he just had a beamback in the back of this van, which I'm imagining is like an Econo line van or something. Like, it's come a long way. And, uh, motherfucker just sits back there and he says beer. So Jake's like, all right, I'll pull over and get some beer.

He's like, how many? He's like, two cases. And he's like, what the fuck? So, so they go 85 miles. He drinks 48 beers and doesn't stop to piss, bro. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. So this guy was like an absolute chess machine.

He didn't kiss. Yeah. Jake said he went back there and checked. He was feeling around all afraid. He wanted to confirm that he really drank 48 beers. He said it was just back there. Just every two minutes, different 12-ounce are gone, dude. All right.

So how about the social scene for y'all, like the plane rides? Did you all fly on the same planes, like around and everything? Was there like one jumbo jet that took everybody? Would dudes play cards? Was there good camaraderie? Did it feel like a team? The best way I could describe the wrestling business for me was being a college football player walking into a frat park.

Yeah. So if that doesn't explain to you right there, unless you were in the fraternity, you played both sides. We did a little Greek life. Yeah, the uncomfortableness that I felt, you know, being with the wrestling scene as opposed to the football scene, It just wasn't the same by any stretch of imagination. Everybody was so much more of an individual because you're fighting for your own survival.

Yeah. You know, so it's weird. There was a defensive lineman for the Rams that didn't want to get close to me because he knew I was going to get cut. Right. So you get a little bit of that going and you got a lot of egos going. And, I mean, hey, there's some great people in the wrestling business. Don't get me wrong. but you know it's a it's a doggy dog world and so like when we'd go to saudi for those trips twice a year

we'd go do an event over there they still do then yes we're all on the same plane um other than that people fly in from all different parts of the world at this point and so no we're not on charters together anymore except for you know UK i would imagine they went to them on a church it's just not the same it's really not now back in the day when I used to drive with the Steiner brothers and oh my god Kurt Henning and

Kevin Nash I mean that was more reminiscent of what we remember the NFL days being like because you're I mean you were around men's men I mean it's just a different Undertaker came out and mentioned about how the locker room was back when he was there and how it is now and how they compare and contrast. And they're just different, man.

One's not better than the other. It's just, well, one is better than the other. Yeah. You know, it's just a different day, a different time, a different athlete. How hard is it, like, I feel like we go through this a little bit. And all these parallels between wrestling and football, the way the game changed, the way it's probably less tight-knit. I mean, like, less veterans in today's NFL.

It's also one of the parallels for me is I look at, at some of the struggles that guys have had outside the ring, you know, like after they're done. And how hard that that's probably got to be for you to see some of your friends, you know, fall by the wayside or, you know, run into tough health issues or problems in their lives that we see the same thing in football. Yep. How does that make you feel in like what, what could be done so that guys struggle less? Union.

Union. That's it. That's the difference, right? I mean, you got guys who unfortunately make bad. decisions or unfortunately in not favorable situations, both in the wrestling world and in the professional sports world, i.e. football, it sucks in both entities, but you have the support staff in football to at least reach out to an organization that has your best interest in mind, right? You don't have that in the wrestling world, and you don't have people checking on you all

the time in the wrestling world. You really don't. So it's a, it's a sharp, freaking curve, man, and that ledge is really deep in the wrestling world. You look at a lot of the guys. They, you know, unfortunately didn't save their money properly and, you know, are in very bad situations right now. But look at the NFL. That's kind of the same way. Yeah. In the NFL, if you don't reach out and get help, it's your phone to an extent, because there is somewhere to go. There's a hotline. There are people to talk to. sort of thing but I think a lot of it falls on us you know like reaching out to our guys like trying to call one buddy every couple weeks and just check in or whatever or like if you get that

if yeah if you get that text that's like you can tell somebody's not doing great like what's the follow up on my end I might be running around with my kids I got a life of my own but can I take like 30 minutes to call and just catch up with a guy because you never know how that's another thing we're so fucking macho dude you know the thing we talked about earlier everybody's got to put this front on because in our last job and that's another hard thing about the adjustment is like every day your masculinity was on the line so so like you're you're so conditioned to like I'll fix my own problems you know like I'm not gonna go anywhere for help so you

don't know how close somebody is to the ledge absolutely and they're everywhere I guarantee and you know as a as an organization as a as a veteran as somebody who you know has made their mark it's our responsibility to check on everyone else. It just is. As a human being, it's our responsibility. And as a friend, you know, so I think that's the camaraderiehip that the NFL has that the rest of the business doesn't have to that degree. Right. Right. It is present. Don't get me wrong, but not for the degree the NFL looks after each other. Is there anybody you're more shocked to see where they are now than the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee? Isn't that, isn't that Kane?

Yeah, but you know, Cairns is smart dude, man. I wouldn't have guessed that for a million bucks. I really wouldn't. But it's the wrestling business, man. Anything can happen. It's true. Anybody who's been in the business

has the ability to go sideways at one time. Right? And that's the excuse for it. Oh, he used to be in wrestling. There you go. Well, that explains everything. Yeah.

Yeah. Were you ever afraid when you finished? I mean, you seem to, people say, hey, you seem to be doing a great job with your transition, but along the lines of what we just talked about, you never know if you're actually doing a great job with it. You might be, you know, going a thousand miles an hour trying to balance everything. It looks like you're sticking the landing, but it's hard.

Were you ever afraid of that ledge? Every day. I'm always afraid of it. You know, you're only as good as your next job. I'm not going to rely upon what I did back in the day. Certainly what I did back in, you know, 20, 30 years ago when I was on top. You're only as good as your next job, your next game, your next rep. I'm a perfectionist.

I like to keep myself in a high standard in everything that I do. So continuing to at 55 years old, try to be the best at whatever I'm applying myself to, you know, that's a mindset. You know, it really is. And that's another thing that I hope my son learns for me is that, you know, whatever you do, you've got to apply 1,000% of your energy towards it and never give up. get under a bar you don't think you can lift. Yeah, that's true, especially if you don't have any pecks like me.

Yeah, that's a good. Hey, God did not bless me with the pecks. I walk into the Rams, my first day, it was off-season training. Everybody had left the gym except for one guy who's back in the corner, and I can't see him, but I can hear him. And all I hear are weights just crashing. And I walk closer, and I walk closer. And there was a guy named Joe Melanichick.

Yeah. The old Melanatech was from Wisconsin and he was, you know, an offensive lineman and you know how Wisconsin is for farming offensive linemen. And weightlifting, too. His fucker was curling 315 for reps. Damn.

Get out of here, dude. Just signed as an 11th round draft pick and that's the guy I'm going against everything. Look this guy. I was like 415 or something like that. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah. Look at this guy.

Yeah, he played for the charges too. Doesn't even his boss. Biceps aren't even that big looking. No, but he had the barrel chest from hell. The dude was humongous. Those are the guys that you're like, fuck, man, who is that guy? I need to do a little reading on him. I'm going to see him at practice.

So what movies did you turn down? I know what movies you've been in. Have you turned? What stuff have you turned down after wrestling that you were like, yeah, I just couldn't do it? Dancing with the stars. Did you really? That was the biggest. That was a big.

You'd have probably won that. Yeah, that's what my wife thinks, but there's no way. And being on national television and my underwear is a lot less emasculating than it is dancing on television. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can't, I don't know that you can't dance, but I can't dance and I wouldn't do it in front of it. I would rather walk out on stage naked than dance. But he just said wrestling is like having a dance partner, so it would have been the same thing. But it's cool.

No, but you can't close on your dance partner. That's true. If you close like one of those nice ladies, you would lose. I'm done. Hey, what if he just snapped into the other dancing? Like, he just, he was like, fuck. What was it like working with John Claude Van Dam? That's what I, because you were in Universal Soldier.

What's up with, like, is he a total badass in real life? Yeah. Yeah. A guy who weighs 160. Something like that. I mean, yeah. Hey, you know, as well as I do, it's easier to have a six-pack if you're 160 and if you're 260, right?

Yeah, yeah. So there are a lot of guys walking around, ripped, shredded, you know, can kick above, do the splits that, you know, that are middle weights or lightweights, you know, a lot more of those guys than the big guys. But Van Dam was awesome. He was cool at the time. He was, I was very excited to work with him. As far as stunts are concerned, he was flabbergasted when I wanted him just to kick me as hard as he could in the chest. He's like, no, we have a stunt. I'm like, no, just fucking nail me.

please just lay it in because that's the best way that I can act because I can react to it. Uh-huh. So I didn't think that he had that experience prior to that. How did it feel? Yeah. Oh, it was great. It was awesome. It was a good kick.

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Tennessee, y'all too. 1-800-889-9-9-7-89. And then last movie question, Longest Yard here. So Longest Yard, what's that set like? Because some of the names in this movie are amazing. I mean, not just the athletes. You got Romanooski, Bosworth. You've got Kevin Nash.

You've got Chris Rock. You have Adam Sandler. You have Bert Reynolds. Like, what's that like on set, dude? Man, they had, all I can say is they had, like a group of extremely hot girls walking around with protein shakes sushi all kind of anything we wanted to eat um the atmosphere was unbelievable having romo and bosworth and irvin there and then nellie and then chris rock and adam sadler and bert reynolds i mean i'd never worked with bert before

and my wife had worked with it many times before and i walked up and i introduced myself and we spoke for a second and he and I walked off and he goes Hey Goldberg and I turned around and he goes you know what I've respected you before but now that I know you're going out with brown eyes and you married her then I really respect you like I don't know what to say to that thank you

further emasculated again it was awesome man for me it was a dream come true because I got to play football again forget the fact that it was the coolest movie it was my favorite movie but I got to put pads on again and I used to get to hit so we had a bunch of arena the guys playing, you know, all the extra positions.

And so I'd fight with him every day. We'd do one-on-ones. I don't know. I was 80. That's what I was about to ask. I felt like I was, you know, 25 playing football game, man, jumping over the line and hitting them with the brass nuts.

And I didn't, I didn't let a freaking double do any of the football stuff. That's absolutely different than everyone else on the week. Did you, did you get involved in any of the basketball? The big basketball scene in that movie, were those guys, were those guys, was there any of those guys that were really good? good or any of the guys that were just like it was all acting.

Dad would play basketball every day on set. Like every day, that kid can shoot. But no, I wasn't there. I think that was the week off I had. I wrote in my contract that they had to give me a week off for surges for the motorcycle. The bike week. Oh, wow. You got a bike?

I got seven of them. Okay, yeah, he's got a problem. All right. So Dr. Fax has some quick hitters. Then we're going to let you get out of here. I guess the first one is car related. I heard you're a big car guy, and I will want to ask what car is to say going into your will that you're never going to sell, you're never getting rid of.

If you had one car or two cars in your arsenal that you think that there's no price, no one can never come off. You've got to be buried in one. You have to be buried in because I have one that I'm actually really going to get buried in. I don't know, man, because I mean, I've got a 1970 boss 429 Mustang. It's called the Lawman. And it was campaign over in Vietnam during the war. And it means a lot to me as an American. I'm fully supportive of all of our veterans.

And it's the only one left. It's the only automatic Boss 429 in the world. If you Google, it's called the Super Boss Lawman. It's got like 800 miles on it. The car's worth millions of dollars. But as an American, you know, red-blooded American, rah, rah. It's the badass car to have. But, I mean, if I had a McLaren, a 94 McLaren F1, I'd be buried in that son bitch.

Damn, that thing looks fast. They just pulled up your, yeah, holy hell. That's the only one in the world. I mean, it's, it was seen by over 300,000 servicemen over in Vietnam. And the story behind it is, you know, the guy was a drag racer and he was a corporate lawyer. And he was tired to see men and women coming back and spending $3,500. for a 400 horsepower motor and them Kim on themselves after they just fought for our country. So he and Ford put the four performance driving tour together and they flew all these vehicles

to Vietnam. And mine was the parade vehicle. One of them got crushed, pushed overboard, and then I'd definitely won one left. Wow. They really brought all those. I'd never heard that story. Yeah, it's a really patriotic story. It's badass.

And the cool thing, when I used to live out in San Diego, I used to live near Kent Pendleton. And I'd put it on a trailer and I'd put it in the parking lot when all the white buses would come in from deployment. And I met, I'd say four or five kids that fathers were in the Vietnam War that had pictures in their garage of them sitting in that car. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. Well, that's a good question, facts. Top that. I got one. Okay, I got one more. So I read that you did some commentary work for MMA promotion, Pride, Foursons.

fighting, do you have any memories or what's your best memory of switching over being a commentator watching the fight rather than being the person in the fight being commentated on? Well, I also commentated for Showtime. And I guess I was not a good commentator by any of the best of imagination because I'm a fan. And it's hard for me to distinguish one between the other. And so when something happens and I'm excited, I get excited, i.e. Brock Lesnar's first MMA match. I was commentating it with Morrow Rinalo.

And when Brock won, I jumped up through my freaking headsets off, screaming. And I'm like, oh shit, sorry about that. I wasn't a good commentated, man, by any stretch. That's so good. I was to pull that tape up, man.

This is good. Man, this was a lot of fun. Thanks for the time. Anything I can ever do, man, it was an honor and privilege to be on show man. I'm a huge man. Both you guys, your dad, please give him a hello for me. I will. I will. You know, you guys, you guys do it right, man. I'm a big fucking fan. Big fan. Anything that I can ever do for you, man, please don't hesitate to reach out. Not that we could do anything for you, but the feeling's mutual and we really appreciate it, man.