Green Light with Chris Long - Howie Long & Kyle Long Join Chris to Talk Life In and Out of the NFL, Tell Football Stories & Celebrate Thanksgiving.

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

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Beau was a force of nature. I remember the first week we got him coming in from baseball, and it was, I forget, it was the end of September, early October, and during offensive period, I'd sit on my helmet behind the huddle, and they'd break the huddle, they pitch him the ball. I had never heard or seen anything move that fast, that big, that load of the ground. people would actually gasp in the stadium. You could hear an audible gasp in the stadium.

Happy Wednesday afternoon, everybody. Thanksgiving is tomorrow. Family, football, all that good stuff, all those associations. I'm looking forward to it. So I wanted to get my work done for the week. A little layout of what you got going here as a green light listener today. As you can see, we've got Howie Long. my dad, pro football hall of famer, and Kyle Long, my brother, former Bear Great, recently retired,

going to join me for a mailbag. In fact, they did last night as I'm doing this open. I can tell you it was fun. I can tell you my dad has some great stories. I could probably just have him tell stories for an entire pod. But it was fun to have them both on kind of sifting through this mailbag, and you guys had some great questions. So to stick with the family and football theme, without further ado, let me get to Dad and Kyle,

and I hope everybody enjoys their Thanksgiving. I'm very thankful for having people that listen to this pod, purely and simply, because I was just talking to somebody about this. Some days I really, well, most days I don't feel like doing it. I just don't like talking and being self-important and having things to say and expecting people to listen to them. It's one of my biggest insecurities about podcasting. I know it's hard for you guys to tell when you listen to the finished product, but there are a lot of days I just don't feel like doing it. But it does give me some motivation that there are people that like the pod, that listen to the pod, and that, you know, that seek me out on social, tell me how much they enjoy it.

and they appreciate it. So thank you guys. You guys are why we do it. I hope you guys have a great safe Thanksgiving and whenever you get a chance if you're traveling to see somebody safely via motor vehicle and you want to pop the pot on. Great. If you're a dad escaping to the side porch for an hour and you want to hear a couple guys talking about football or you're just going to say, hey, honey, I got to go listen to a football podcast to take a break from the in-law. Those are all acceptable ways to consume this pot. And again, hope you guys have a great day. Catch you on Friday with Stanford Steve.

We're just going to run down the Sunday slate of games. Makin and I are going to do a Thursday night time machine. He's going to give me an opportunity to get back in it by picking all three Thanksgiving games. And again, to remind people, the loser of that competition has to stay in a Waffle House for 24 hours. That's probably going to be me, man. I've really got off to a really bad start. Let's just say that on Thursday night. Not real good at these Thursday night games.

So Megan's going to let me pick three Thanksgiving games to try to get back into it. The tally is currently like six to one. So mathematically I'm all but out of it. We'll see if I can get a miracle this Thursday. You'll hear about how that went on Friday on the pod. And also Stanford, Steve and I will pick Sunday's slate. Maybe a little twist on it, we'll see. But stick around for Dad and Kyle

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Restrictions apply seedraftcangs.com slash sportsbook for details. Gambling problem call 1-800 gambler or in Indiana, 1-800-9 with it. All right, Kyle and Dad are here. We got the boys together. Kyle, quick update. We were just talking offline. You did not know that you almost beat me in fantasy football. You thought you'd lost, but you had three Rams going last night, including Cooper Cup.

And you came up just short. I remember making that decision with Macon and I talking pre-show last time we spoke. and I'm glad. I mean, it didn't pay off all the way, but I look a little bit smarter now. Yeah, well, the only thing that doesn't look real smart is you left Tyler Lockett on the bench. He had a cue by his name, and that's the Scarlet Letter and Fantasy, Chris. Kyle, well, questionable. Take it for a four and six team. Maybe I know what I'm talking about, you know? He didn't look so questionable last week.

You're looking up at me in the standings, buddy. You might be on that billboard. Dad, what do you think about Kyle being on a billboard if he loses fan? Do you know that, do you know the story behind this? I heard something about it. So whoever loses has to be on a billboard in town and what what's on the billboard, their face and what? I was thinking like maybe naked. Lute, no. I've had worse things on the internet.

No. I just wanted to see you. You took me seriously. Maybe loser or, you know. No, here's what it's going to be, dad. going to be like a marks and harrison ad you know like those like kind of mid budget lawyer billboards that it's like all 555 555 it's going to be kyle in a suit with a gray scale background and it's going to say we don't call this guy for advice on fantasy you just wrote you wrote the ad dad

that's why you're here yeah that's why you're here i like that i like that so you know we're doing a mailbag this is uh fan submissions that were very excited that we were getting together and talk a little Thanksgiving talk a little football talk a little whatever else green light listeners want to hear and we'll save the really raunchy hard hitting stuff for another pod because my dad who is pure of heart is on the podcast and I'm not going to make him say anything bad um dad the first question that I had multiple submissions on was who's your favorite kid huh um it's a tie Oh, Luke and Whalen. The grandkids.

He just claimed your kids as his own, by the way. You said, those are my sons. Those are my sons. I got to tell you, when you walk through the door, and they just run at you, and they're so thrilled to see you, and they give you the biggest hug. It's everything and more that people have talked about.

Take notes, Kyle. This is how we win his love back. we run full speed at him and give him a hug when we see him. Big, big hug guy. We don't have favorites. So when I say football and Thanksgiving, what do you guys think of first? What day are we celebrating it on? Right, that's the big thing.

Yeah, I mean, for 40 years, I've worked on Thanksgiving. This will be 40th Thanksgiving where we're going to do Thanksgiving on Friday. doing Thanksgiving, flying home, chances are you're going to do the dinner around 9 o'clock, 930. That's, you know, Thanksgiving to me is a mid-afternoon. And I think the one thing we discover being in the profession we're in, whether it's Christmas or New Year's or Thanksgiving, you know, it's more about you and your family and the people you love and less about the calendar day. you know how he's going to drive in on thanksgiving morning i go to work tomorrow night in l a fly home right after the middle game and be home by eight o'clock and we'll have uh probably early afternoon dinner on for on friday and you know how mom does mom's cooked for like

three days uh it's go go go yeah but growing up but growing up we had Thanksgiving on different days and christmas on different days which is not anything to complain about we had it really good. But you get good at hitting the curveball with Holiday. I think about the back of our property in Virginia. Yeah. There's two Thanksgiving you know, there's two ways to think about Thanksgiving now and then then. So when we were

younger, we weren't doing anything on Thanksgiving and dad was working. We would watch football and we would watch Dad in the morning. Then we'd go play football in our own Turkey Bowl in the back field. And that was always a blast, man. That was so much fun. You know, it's so funny. It's so funny to think about now, trying

to play a pickup football game how hard it would be to do that. And when your kid, you just roll out. Jeff Haas was a great receiver and, like, he played defense. He was like John Lynch out there flying around. Philip Haas, catching the wide receiver bubble screen. Yeah, Ben was back there. So we had a good little crew there. But it's just funny to think, like, for you to play pickup anything at this point,

I need to stretch for a while. I need to get in a hot tub. I need to get ready. Like back in the day, we used to roll out and do it. Oh, you want to fight? Just give me five minutes. I need 10. I need to stretch out.

I guess for me, the way, like, if I'm thinking about pro football, if I'm thinking about, like, being a kid and, like, watching ball on TV, I'm thinking about Barry Sanders. That's it. Yeah. I'm just thinking about Barry Sanders. I don't know. There were other teams that played on Thanksgiving.

Emmett Smith played a lot on Thanksgiving. But I just was queued in on Barry and Dad. You know, he was, like, my favorite back. So, and he got, you know, Pops got me an autographed jersey, which was really cool. No, no, he actually, he actually hands. handed it to you and you didn't even know who he was at the time. Well, because how old was I? You were like eight.

No, I wouldn't eight at that point. Yeah, I think so maybe seven. No, it was my last, it was my last Pro Bowl. Your last Pro Bowl was 1993. Yeah, yeah, it was eight. Yeah. Well, I didn't make a big deal about it. You had Bo Jackson in the house.

You know, but there were players, when you're out on the field, this was after the game, there are players who, you know, they're walking by one of the time. And, you know, it was a different time when, you know, if he had put his jersey on and his helmet on, you'd know what Barry Sanders looked like. But at that time, we weren't taking the helmet off the players and the way they are now in our league and using them as, you know,

advertisement. A lot of, I think, it's like pre-MTV who knew what the musicians look like. Well, before the NFL did a better job of public. their players. Barry was the best I ever played against. Yeah. I heard you say that before. You know who else I think about is, is obviously Pat Summerall and John Madden. I mean, like, and the turkey that you would never eat today, period, not even in COVID times. Like you would, even if it was like, we get over this thing and they had a turkey out on the field. Like nobody's eating a turkey

that's just been sitting out on the field ever again. I mean, we ate a turkey on the field at Green Bay at Lambo. Did you get to eat the turkey? In 2015 or 2014? Yeah, dude. That's out now, bro. That's that's, that's out, bro. It was big.

It was big. I mean, big ass turkey first off, big ass win. I think it was 2015. Jay Cutler had a good game, Forte. Everybody was balling that night. And I think it was the, no, that wasn't the night they retired Brett Farron. jersey but it was Thanksgiving we won at Lambo that was a great that was a great time dad did you play any big holiday games whether it's Thanksgiving or Christmas that you remember the only

the only holiday game I ever played in was uh I was at Billanova and I had played high school football with the guy named Joe Restick who ended up going on to Notre Dame right he was a couple of years ahead of me older than I was and not knowing a lot about football at the time not having played as a young kid, had the opportunity through his dad who was then the coach of Harvard. And he's been the head coach at Harvard for 20, 22 years. Player gets dinged early, either before Monday or on Monday. And he's part of the selection committee.

And wouldn't it be nice to bring a small school guy down. So I get out and play in Alabama in the blue-gray All-Star game. and ironically enough, Jimmy Johnson's the head coach of our team. And he brought in Dexter Manley. He was at Oklahoma State and won the MVP and came home. And it really was kind of a life-changing. It changed the trajectory of what would be going on from that point on.

Right. How did you go about winning the MVP in that game? What were some things you remember about? How do you do that? blocked a punt i think had a sack uh dynamic had some tackles i i don't know you know know jimmy swears that the blocking the punt was illegal there were some you know and i said well you've never done anything illegal

and then we stopped talking about it's a good retort um where does thanksgiving rank on the holiday index i like thanksgiving I know I really do. I like Thanksgiving. I always have. I think the older people get the more, you know, you're going off with your own families and doing all that.

But, you know, it'll be a real treat for us to have Howie here on Friday and get the opportunity to have a great Thanksgiving dinner with him. But I've always liked it. I'm not a New Year's guy. I don't want to be reminded that, you know, we're a year older and, you know, the years now gone and making all kinds of proclamations. I think you just don't like drunk people. No, I don't. I'm not big, I'm not good in a big drunk crowd.

I'm not good in a bar. Yeah, that makes sense. Kyle, Thanksgiving. Best holiday, top three. I think Christmas, there's a lot of obligatory, like, Char, like, you know, Christmas spirit. And people are kind of, it would be, it would quite literally be sacrilegious to have anything bad to say about Christmas. But I really enjoy Thanksgiving because there's a lot of neutrality.

It's just like people hanging out, great food, football's on. It's not too fucking cold. Yeah. And we don't have to put up decorations. We just have to cook a little bit. Well, that's the thing. Pumpkins. When you're, yeah, I mean, you can do carryover decorations from Halloween.

just take the scary shit down, leave the pumpkins out. That's a squash. That's not a pumpkin. This is a squash. This is a big, fat squash. The thing you learn about Thanksgiving is for one, like, whether, mostly for Thanksgiving, like, because of football and the holidays,

like I never really, it never meant as much to me as a player, you know? And now that I'm retired, albeit one of these Thanksgiving is in the middle of the pandemic, I have noticed how awesome, not only the fall is, but Thanksgiving. as well. And I would put it actually probably right now at number one. And I'm not being like

reactionary. I'm not mad at that. I'm probably putting at number one because to your point, Kyle, and especially when you have kids, like, Thanksgiving is a, is kind of a dude's holiday. And I'm treading carefully here. But like, you know, Thanksgiving is like the one day that nobody looks at you sideways if you just passed out on the couch at 6 p.m. You know, like that's like what's expected of you. You know, that that's the play that you expect out of a 35-year-old dude on Thanksgiving. Now, Christmas, you've got to be up late. You've got to be wrapping presents. You've got to be up early.

Or putting together, God forbid, some kind of a mechanical bicycle that is impossible to put together. And that's not really your strong suit, Seth. Well, I did it. And it took a long time. Because I can't do it. We're not handy. Chris, my favorite holiday, Super Bowl Sunday. Ooh, I hate Super Bowl Sunday.

I'd rather, you know what day I like? It's my favorite. It marks the start of vacation. Oh, well, that's nice, yeah. You know what? That last whistle. For us, it was well before that for most of our careers. Go back to John Madden for a second.

No, I want to go back to, oh, you want to go back to John Madden. John Madden changed everything in broadcasting, and one of the things that he changed was Thanksgiving Day, football, and the Trudoccan, and it had eight, nine legs. and how they got that, I don't know. He basically changed evolution. Here's a guy. No, he really did. He changed the way broadcasters did games.

It was like, look at the belly on that guy. Boom. You know, just, you know, just, you know. And I think people have tried to, you know, emulate that over the years more and more. And, you know, probably Tony Romo comes the closest in terms of just having, fun and tossing things around. But John changed broadcasting forever. And when when he was first making his decision to retire and go into broadcasting, I think in his first meeting, he had a stain of some gravy on his shirt. And, you know, the first guy he asked, and I know this for

a fact, the first guy he asked to handle his stuff for him, you know, looked at him and said, you know, John, I love you. But, you know, who's going to hire you with like stains on your shirt? It turns out the stains on the shirt and the reel and the, you know, boom and bang and look at the fat guy. You need fat guys. You need to do this. And John changed everything. You need fat guys. You can put that on a T-shirt.

You need fat guys. That core group of teams that played on Thanksgiving, you know, the AstroTurf, the players that we talked about, and those two guys that really did define it. Hey, who would be a teammate? This was a mailback submission for us. Give me a teammate that would be good, that would be the good and fun version of the drunk uncle on Thanksgiving. Jared Allen. Jared Allen, Kyle.

Without a doubt. The good, the fun drunk uncle, yes. Like, Jared Allen would show up with an elk over his shoulder and a six-pack of tall boys and be like, get the rest of the beer out of the truck. Yeah. I got to skin this elk. Yeah, real quick. Well, I've got two.

I've got a football teammate, and I've got a TV teammate. I've got one is Bill Pekyll, without a doubt. Bill Pekyll is the best at a function, at a party. He's the life of the party, and he's the guy that's off, you know, doing the Uncle Buck stuff that you're not supposed to do on the side. And Uncle Terry, Terry is, you bring Terry to any party, any function, any holiday celebration. And it will be the most unique celebration you've ever had.

Is he, is he booking those? Will he like come to your holiday party in 2021 when this thing gets cleared? I think he does that, I think he does that telephone thing where he calls people and, you know, hey, this is Terry Bradshaw,

happy birthday. Is it like cameo? It's cameo. Chris Martellis, Martellis Bennett 1B for me. The most entertaining person I've ever been around. most large lithium ion battery inside of his heart. He can just have energy for days.

I'm going to go. So I had, I played with a guy who now entertains on Ellen, John Doran boss. He's a fucking magician. Who doesn't want a magician? Who doesn't want a magician on yet. Was he a kicker?

No, he was a, he was a, he was a long snapper. Snapper, Super Bowl year. Super Bowl year. And he had a,

he had a heart condition. Now you can feel bad, dad. He had a heart condition. So he got, he couldn't he's incredible he couldn't play anymore um but he's this philly icon he's just like i've seen him embedded in this but his magic is really good so that'd be good to have him at the holidays uh but they still he still they for the record for the people listening he got a ring too that year and he definitely deserved that that was awesome and then magic is great and not really

good his magic is like it's not like you know fuck around magic this is some would say the some This is the kind of magic that makes me question if magic is actually real. And but I'm going to go, the nice slam dunk answer is Lane Johnson. My kids love Lane Johnson. They just stare at him. They just, Whalen is just in awe. Like when is Lane coming over?

When is Lane coming over? Like Lane came over for like two days and left. He slept on the couch. Didn't even use the guest room. Just slept on the couch with no blanket. Was up at like six in the morning and just disappeared. He's unbelievable. And then.

He's got that big, He's got that big old voice. That's what it is. Well, Chris. It's the Texas thing. It's like Steve Austin. He's the Texas rattlesnake. Hey, well,

and come over here. That guy's going to be a good wrestler when he gets done. W.W. He's going to give him whatever he was. He would be tremendous. Vince McMahon should be knocking on his door. All right. This is a fun one,

Dad. This was a submission. This is specifically for you, Pops. Do you believe in aliens? And if so, are they Mars attack style aliens? the movie Alien, Sagerni Weaver style aliens.

Hmm. So I think what this gentleman is intimating is that he'd like to know what you think aliens are shaped like and what they look like as well if you believe in them. You know, you have to think in this big universe that there's other life forms. You know, you just have to think. And there's been too many sightings, particularly over Roswell and New Mexico and Montana the western part of the country. Yeah, I think so.

Do I know what they look like? No, I mean, I've seen multiple movies and what the depiction might be. So I don't know. It doesn't seem like if they've been around this long and they've let us go. They're not going to kill us. Yeah, they're probably friendly. Because if they came this far, I always say, if they came this far, you know, what do they war of the world?

What do they need from us if they came this far? already. If they've already been here, there's nothing there's something with the planet. I don't think they need it. I think if they can get this one. You don't know. They can get to other Earth-like planets. That's good, though, that dad, I was going to be really upset if you didn't believe in the aliens. We can talk about this for an hour, but I'm going to keep it to myself. Yeah, Kyle and I did a pod on worst fears, dad for Halloween. It was just all over the place. Hey, dad, what are you afraid of? What are your worst fears. And it, you know, like obviously, just like it's got to be an object. It can't be like,

oh, failure. You can't cop out. No, no. My worst fears are, I don't, I don't, you know, it's a childhood thing. When you grow up in the kind of neighborhood I grew up in, you have sores at the bottom of the street and you're playing in the street, the ball goes down and sore, you know, it's kind of a rotating kind of deal where, you know, yeah, yeah, Bobby, you're up. We got to lower you down by your feet to get the ball because we have one ball. You know, it's a different environment. Your kids will go home and say, pop, the ball went down the shore, get us another one. Yeah.

No, that wasn't the way it was. So I'm not a big fan of rats. I'm really not a big fan of snakes. It's one of the big reasons why I love Flathead Lake because there's nothing in the water that makes me uncomfortable. and you know on a more serious note just the phone ringing at midnight yeah that's that's not a good thing when the phone rings at midnight we got to turn it off and be like figure that shit out kids right plane airplane airplane mode Kyle it's we what do we say heights yeah

Kyle didn't like heights which was shocking because I got in a church in Italy and was up in dome and didn't know I you know it would impact me and I couldn't get out of that place I had have fought my way through the hallway to get out of there you're like sliding down the stairs on your ass that's what you know you're afraid of height you just sit down um okay this is a somebody asked worst fight you saw between brothers that's from beale and i know kyle and howie had some good knockdown dragouts back in the day never yeah Yeah, and how we, as you could imagine, I mean, in this corner, six at that time, younger, six, three, two, ten, the champ.

And in this corner, five foot eight, 140 pounds. And he always had stuff behind the door. We talked about that. Pockets. It was a picture frame. It was something. You know, I've got scars all over my body from Howie. Yeah, I can't, I actually, I can't really blame him.

I mean, foreign objects like Torchanaka. Dad, favorite Charlestown memory. And if it's not the story about the car, I want to hear the story about the car if you could. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I could tell you that story. My favorite story about Charlestown, I'll give you two. I'll give you a feel-good story and I'll give you probably a surprising story. One would be we played hockey, baseball, basketball, football every day on a dead end street in the shadows of the L train going by every single day.

Never played organized sports growing up as a kid, but as soon as the street lights went on, that was the cue to go in the house. Everything was settled right there on the street. You know, there were no coaches. There were no parents. And it's amazing how much fun. and how good things were at that time. And it's really where you learned, or at least I did,

learned to be somewhat competitive and, you know, get a little bit tougher. We came back, your mom and I came back after my rookie year. We had a used coupe de ville. I made 38 grand my rookie year, and I bought a used coupe de ville for like $8,500. And while I was in camp, it got stolen from mom. She was down at the beach.

California and she called me crying and I said, are you okay? And she said, yeah, and I said, well, that's great because we can claim this on insurance. And she didn't get the whole kind of positive in that. So she wanted to get a sob turbo. So we got a sob turbo. It was registered with Pennsylvania plates, drove back up to Villanova to spend some time and went up to see my grandmother. We lived in the same, she lived in the same row home that I grew up in and went up to the second story and parked the car outside. And grandma pulled out the pull-out sofa.

And we sat and sat around for a while and went to sleep and woke up the next morning and went down and the car had been broken into and everything in the car was gone. Radio, money, closed, anything that was in the car was gone. And I walked down to Eden Street Park and looked up Johnny McNeil, an old friend of mine, and asked Johnny, I said, look, here's what happened. Do me a favor. Look into this. And, you know, if you can find something, I'll let me know. So go back home and getting ready to have dinner, doorbell rings, go down the stairs, because the first floor unit was somebody else was living in that. My grandmother was on second, third level.

Come down and open up the door and there's a grocery bag outside the front door. It has every single thing down to the gum. You know, the stereo, the chewing gum, the shirt that was in the car. Everything that was in the car is in the bag with a note that said, look the next time you're in town without a state plates let us know that's so nice of them it was nice yeah we didn't have that problem in the neighborhood you had us living and growing up no no no it's a different neighborhood dad here's one uh and you can't be political here

bow jackson or marcus allen in their prime this one is a complicated one because Marcus, in my mind, was the most complete football player I ever played with. There wasn't anything he couldn't do. Blitz pick up, run, catch. He could throw it because he was a quarterback down in San Diego in high school, and he did make a number of throws throughout the course of his career. Tough. I mean, when I tell you tough, he's a guy that you just couldn't get the stuff.

Bob was a force of nature. I remember the first week we got him coming in from baseball, and it was, I forget, it was the end of September, early October, and during offensive period, I'd sit on my helmet behind the huddle, and they'd break the huddle, they pitch him the ball. I had never heard or seen anything move that fast, that big, that load of the ground, people would actually gasp in the stadium. You could hear an audible gasp in the stadium.

If he would run, we would run him on a one-man reverse where we'd pitch him the ball to the right. He'd come to a dead stop and go right back here. And you hope that backside tackle kind of cuts off and peels back and can get one block. And Bo wasn't looking to run around people. Bo was trucking people. So he's the most physically gifted athlete I've ever been around, and Marcus was probably the best football player I've ever been around. Do you think the ball's got the raw end of the deal because it was at the goal line?

Yeah, I don't think it was as bad as they... It wasn't as bad. They make it all out to be. It's also Bo Jackson. It's kind of like when somebody gets stiff-armed by Derek Henry. I'm like, okay. I mean, it was amazing. It was amazing, but it's not...

not necessarily a masculating. Tom Brady, Juked Brian Erlacker. I mean, right. Don't make that be a damning thing, all-encompassing thing on, you know, I think that is damning. You know, the irony of it is you,

everyone knows, everyone knows the famous run up in Seattle where both, you know, pitch left, right. Up the sideline, outruns, people with angles, goes right up into the tunnel, runs out of the stadium, up into the tunnel.

You knew the fullback on that play was? Marcus Allen. Yep. That says a lot about Marcus Allen. Damn. Worst trouble Kyle and I got into. Oh. And like what did you do?

Like what did you ground? I know you ground at me a few times. Yeah. I remember one for sure. Yeah, I mean, there were the Swisher sweets. There were some. Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah, it was like every baseball trip I just found a way.

Well, spring break, spring break coincided with mom's birthday, oddly enough. So on her birthday, we're down in, and there's a really great connection here. Yeah. Because we're down at the Cayman Islands in the building where Tom Cruise stayed in the John Grisham book. Whoa. Yes. All right. Well, having a great, having a great time with it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And, and I had to break to the kids. I had to wake all the kids up with like one in the morning. Hey, guys start packing your stuff up. Chris got popped outside of a 7-Eleven and they're sending him home.

Yeah, but the thing that people don't understand which makes the punchline better is that John Grisham was basically our baseball coach. Yes. So, hey. Yeah, and I got the, who do I get the call from? And he has. has such a distinctive voice and accent. Like an audio book of telling you your kid sucks. Yes. Yes. Like an audio book.

No, listen, I mean, what happened that night was I was pretty young and I decided I wanted to smoke some swisher sweets. Just the swisher sweets like a cigar. Nothing in it? Nothing in it. I'm 14. No. I'm 14 and 15. So I tried to use somebody's ID to buy them in a 7-Eleven in Jacksonville, Florida.

I would love if they could do an E-60 on me returning to that 7-11. I think it would be very moving. You know, it's like a letter to myself. I go back to the place that it all went wrong. Oh, do you remember me? They're like, get the fuck out of here. Well, the problem was the woman had had enough. I guess I was probably the 15th kid, that being a spring break spot that was trying

to do something bad. There was a cop that pulled in right there in the parking lot. And she said, you're not going anywhere. Mr. Officer come in here. So. But then there was another, then there was another trip when you were, you were gone on a trip for Grisham's Park.

Atlanta. And you got a couple of pops and decided you were going to smart move. Let's call the young assistant coach on the phone. On the hotel phone. Me and Steve Wickline. And then again I get, hold on. Then I get, Howie.

howie uh your boy did it again we're going to be sending chris home uh early if somebody could be there when he gets off the bus or somebody going to drive him up there so they drove you by yourself chris no they took me back on the bus with everybody else but i think it was just to warn dad that that had happened and that was a long bus ride home did kyle ever get in trouble dad yes not you know not we're not really in trouble i mean him and howie took uh we had those big huge uh fire extinguishers in the basement at bloomfield yeah and they took your snuggles for some reason you had a snuggles yeah doll yeah well that that sounds really fucking soft so why don't you expound that you slept with or you know my stuffed animal yeah was just a teddy bear named miss

Mr. Snuggles. And Howie and I stole it. Mr. Snuggles. Hold on. What the fuck was his name? You don't know his name? No, but he was the bear from the Downey commercials. The Downy Bear.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So Kyle and Howie took it down in the basement and torched it with these 30-year-old fire extinguishers that are like this big. Maybe 40 years old. They're to code for a university size. Yeah.

No, that was one. Then they stole. The fire department showed up. Kyle, I think this was a, I, I tend to think that Howie somehow was involved in this, but Kyle took the wrap on this one, I think. You had a piggy bank up in your room that you had saved up a bunch of money in and Kyle took it, hit it down in the basement in that closet that's just outside that extra room. I don't know if it was Howie's fault. I'll take 50 of the blame because I just don't have

the memory of it, but I do remember one thing you missed about football. This is from Kurt Boogie. The camaraderie, uh, the grays, the gray shorts. Oh, I got a bunch of those. T-shirts. Yeah, I know you stole some of mine. Um, and, and when you add a big game, you know, if you're at a big game, like an NSC championship game or a Super Bowl and, um, And, you know, it's that final drive or the end of the half or it's a key situation. You know, you kind of talk yourself into thinking that, you know, hey, look, you know, I'm okay. I mean, I might be able to play two plays here. You really do.

No, I mean, early on, the first, I've been retired now for 27 years. Yeah. I think up until when I, now Al offered me a contract when I was 40. Right. He offered me a contract the year I was going in the Hall of Fame. I retired at 34 and went into the Hall of Fame in 2000. So it was 1994. I retired.

And I got a call from him over in Hawaii because they had all the, all of the new inductees were introduced at halftime. Right. And the players on the AFC and the NFC line the field, and you walk through the gauntlet of players and, you know, it was very cool and congratulatory. That's the Hall of Fame game now. Is it? Is it?

Yeah, because we did it when Ray Lewis got in. And, yeah, that was the Hall of Fame game now. So I get back to the hotel in Fudgy who used to work at the, I'm not sure if she still works there, but she used to work at the Raiders and she was one of the assistants. and she said, Mr. Davis would like to speak to you today around 5 o'clock. Is that good? So I sat there and waited 5, 510, 515. Phone rings.

And, you know, how congratulations. You were one of the great dominant, dominant player disruptive, you know, blah, blah, blah. And says, I know you're in shape. And now I'm saying, we're just going to. on, how does he know I'm in shape? He wants to go for... Because at that time, I'm playing basketball at the University of Virginia still.

With Sherman in the group. And he said, you know, no Hall of Fame has ever come back. And he offered me a three-year guaranteed deal for twice the money that I was making when I retired. You just didn't feel like it. For a millisecond,

I thought about it. And he said, we'll just bring you in on third down. And I knew that wasn't. to be true and at that point i was kind of checked out and passed on it yeah it was nice to nice to be asked i do feel like there is a you know obviously being kyle and i's age it's like you get around it and you're like i could probably go like it would take me a month but i could go but i can the mental adjustment that starts happening it's like i'm not i'm not that person as much anymore. You know what I mean? Like for a year and a half, like I'm kind of on the edge of being

that person anymore. You know what I mean? Where you could mentally just, I think sometimes you, you watch it and it's easy to as a competitor be like, I couldn't, I can make that play. I can make that play. That's what you're trained to think. You know what I mean? Like, and if you think any other way, you don't last. So I think, you know, you almost trick yourself. And there's a reason, you know, there's a bunch of young dudes that have been training their asses off since March. you know, to do this, like, it's pretty interesting that in our minds, you can literally walk along the sideline next to players warming up and being like, I could do that right now.

Yeah, but some of them suck and you could do it better than. No, but it's just the mind, but it's the mindset. That's the, but the reality of it is you, you, you could be on a team, I could be on a team. Yeah, but, but you know what I'm saying. You just, you, you, you, you're not completely crazy. There is a grain of truth in, no, no, we're in the rabbit hole. But I think we also, Kyle, should realize that like the minute you turn the switch off, it's hard to put on.

It's hard to turn it back on. I remember before I retired, I was like, once you crossed the Rubicon, like, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, yeah, because I was considering coming back. But like, to his point, it was a really hard mental adjustment to even consider it. So like, it's just funny that embedded in your DNA is like, I could just go fucking do that. You know, it looks so easy because you haven't felt it. It's who you are. You haven't felt it in a while.

You know, that's the difference. You know, you could talk all that shit and then Monday morning would be the thing that changes everything. You could survive three hours on adrenaline. It's the physical thing we could do, but I don't think you and I would be willing to show up weekend, week out, day and day out. Once you've said like, you're out. You're out.

You're in meetings until 5.30. It's like, no, the fuck. I'm not. I'm going home. Hey, I have to pee for 12 hours. I'll be back in the morning. Kyle, it was as, for me, it was as recently as when you were at junior college. And I would come down there to try to help out coaching a little bit.

And I would do something, you know, and I'd go, yeah, you know, I can still line up on the nose. It's such a ridiculous, right? Because you're in your 40s at that point. Yeah. Or not you're in your early 50s. 50s. 50. And I felt like I could still.

I'll kind of get it. 51. But that's the way you're wired. That's what makes, I think, retirement so hard as you just, like, you just, or you have to or you can't survive. You have to think. Yeah. Real quick, football quality you got from dad.

I would say for me, quickness off the ball. Same. Yeah, I don't know, but it's hard to figure out, Kyle, what happened to you, like as far as the immense amount of strength that got put in your body. Should we tell him now? That he's not. I don't know. I don't know.

But he was a, he was at a Tesla. lab. Petri dish boy. Seriously, I think it's the quickness off the ball. Like, I'm not the strongest guy. I don't lift the most rates, but the thing is, I'm telling you

when you can come off the ball, like to Chris's point and catch you know, catch that right timing. Like dad used to say triple seven, like when you pull the lever at the casino triple seven, that's the same feeling in the run game. If I can get my hat across,

on mid zone or outside zone. If I can force the cutback where I want it to be, it's all because of quickness off the ball. You know, though, I actually think the thing that we all had is, you know, the ability to, and whether it's at some point during the season or within a football game, when you've got to take it to another level. and you're physically maybe not capable of it because of X, Y, or Z, and you just do it.

And you push your shelf through it. You either have that or you don't, and you get that honest, as they say down south. You get that from your family. Right. Yeah, it's funny you say that, Dad, because I was thinking about myself historically in the run game. And my efficiency wasn't very good at all.

And then I started to think about my past pro. And, you know, the efficiency probably wasn't as good as it's made out to be. But then I think about two-minute drives. And I'm like, I was nails in two-minute and end-of-game scenarios and stuff like that. Because to your point, for whatever reason, you can find a way to do it. And I know Chris was a very clutch player in big games and like that. Yeah, get it on us. Yeah, E-O-G-E-O-H.

Dad, starting with you, compliment your least favorite O-Line to play against, and Kyle do the same for a D-Line. San Francisco was surgical, and that has many meanings. One meaning they were surgical in their blocking schemes, the West Coast offense, a lot of high-low blocks, down blocks, whams, bills, back-on-line men. And you said high-low. You said high low.

High low where one one player's holding you up and another player's taking your knees out. This is back before any of that was illegal. And that's the word surgical that was. Well, they're certain. I always felt like it was a surgical offense. No, I know. But I'm just saying like you said it like there was a dual meeting. Were they a little dirty?

Yes, they were very dirty. Because the high low is out for the people listening. High low and legwips. And legwhips where they would go. cross body block on a down block. They get their head in on the inside of your knee and then whip their body around

and kick you with the back of their legs. So it was a challenge to deal with that. I always felt like it was less about the offensive line and more about the system or the quarterback who's playing behind them. For example,

if you're playing John Elway, you can't take the inside. Right. And you can't go too far up the field. Right. So you're essentially just squeezing the pocket the whole day. And that tackle can oversets you because he knows that if you go inside, John's taking off.

He sets up out by the, you know, out by the numbers and throws the ball 75 yards across the field. Right. Dan Marino was totally different where their offensive line knew that if they blocked you for 1.8 seconds, ball's gone. Right. Because Dan was like a ball machine. Right.

Same thing with Dan Fouts. It was balls out. Bang, bang, bang. Warren Moon, that offense they ran. I forget what they call it, run and shoot, or whatever they called it. It was really a challenge to deal with because you just didn't know how to play it.

And, you know, we came up with, I think, two or three different game plans and none of them really worked. Kyle, who you got, D-Line? Brandon Graham has a nice smile. See, you hate the Eagles D-Line. That's awesome. I know, you used to be like,

oh, it's Fletcher Cox, too. Fletcher Cox Week. Fletcher Cox likes the NHRA series. Oh, yeah, he's a racer, too, just like you. A rod owner. He's an owner, which is like he's invested into it. I would say I'm going to tell the Seattle O-line, you got a really good back back there.

Congratulations. That would be my compliment to the Tom Cable Seattle O line. Like, listen, they ran that sideline-to-sideline scheme really efficiently and well. And they would tell you this. They weren't like world beaters as far as pass protection. Or even like if you were in a pit drill with one of them, most of them were not going to just overpower you, but they were so in sync.

Yes, that's a totally different thing. It's surgical. Yeah, they were so. And it was physical. I'm not saying they weren't physical, but they weren't overpowering. They were physical. Like Brenno Giacomini,

who I've mentioned before, remember that tackle in Seattle. Yeah, I do remember. He wouldn't get off you. He wouldn't stop. He's like vice grips. He wasn't a great pass protector.

In fact, I was glad he was the guy I was playing against every Sunday with Russ because there were going to be plays out there. But in the run game, you can't relax. you know and dad always you say like shuck make sure you shuck people and get get blockers off you that was one guy that was going to peel you over every pile um it would be early in my early career

chris yeah packers defense i would say clay matthews incredible mike daniels was really good early in my career he was a guy that i can't think of a compliment like clay matthew's great hair i guess but they were good i hated playing them best under the radar football moment that means a lot. Most of my under the radar moments involve you guys. The minute I stopped and the minute you guys started

picking it up and going from one level to the next level to the next level it was so much more enjoyable for me than it was when I played and you know people ask what's better you playing in a Super Bowl or you going to a

pro bowl or you know whatever it's a hundred times better watching your kids do well. And I know you understand that now, Chris, and Kyle someday, hopefully you will. Kyle. Chris, for me, it's without a doubt, the junior college experience from a football sense. And I was a backup my first year there as a defensive lineman. Like, I remember walking off the field crying and my mom would, My mom flew out to Orange County to come watch the game.

I got like three snaps in garbage time at defense event. I was walking off the field crying. She was like, keep your head up, baby. You're on the team. You have like friends. You're in school again. You know,

you're in school again. There's a lot of things going on. So football for me, especially the junior college experience. And then the following year, playing O-line. Dad came to a game. We were playing Mount Sack Dad.

I had a big matchup. Yep. And it was a tough football team. They beat us. We ended up losing. And I remember I got beat. I wore out my matchup the whole day. You got beat by a little guy.

And I think that number 44. In the two minute drill, they put in a tiny little white guy at the defensive end, and he beat me. I got lazy because I was wearing everybody else out. This is their rotational guy. He got a sack. And from that on,

two minute drill, end of game became like the biggest point of emphasis. but playing well that day at Mount Sack. I thought we were going to have to fight our way out of there. Yeah, it was an intense family affair out there. Yeah. A couple. We looked at each other.

We were in the parking lot at the end of the game and dad was, you know, I just tapped dad up and gave mom a hug. And then from across the parking lot, I see the dude that I played against him. He's walking over with his family and shit. And I look over at dad. Dad and I kind of look at each other like,

it's about to go down son because you guys got into it during the game no and they were they were they were they were it was a good moment dude it was hair pulling like name calling everything during the game and then we all kind of adapted up and it was kind of like a disney movie in a sense no that's nice it sounds like a good disney movie full circle i uh guess maybe my last game you know like that doesn't mean much to anybody, but I wanted to go out playing well, and I felt like I had a really good game in the playoffs. So just like to be able to walk off and say, I can still do this. But I didn't know was going to be my last game. So it was just kind of like one of those things that I'm glad I played hard and I put it all out there. Favorite single team to play on, not franchise, year and team.

2002 slash three Charlottesville Barnstormers AAU baseball team It was the first And my why is It was the first cross-pollination

Of other schools and friends And people I'm still friends with today Mickey White I play a lot of golf with Even through the pandemic He's somebody that I got to know Through the barnstormers And yeah

It was a great time I met new kids it was our first year on the big field. That was a fucking like wake up call for me. I remember missing the first 10 swings I took. And I was like, I haven't missed 10 swings my entire career. Different, different mound size. Yeah, you got you do.

You can't forget that, Kyle. Different mound size. I'll go 2012 St. Louis Rams. That was my favorite team. And people are going to be like, what? Like, what do you mean? You were on two Super Bowl teams. I'm not trying to give you the,

interesting answer. It just like and I loved those Super Bowl teams like you know gosh I identify as an eagle so um you know as as a Philadelphia eagle not a L.A. Ram um but the St. Louis team I was on 2012 was pretty special you know I got a picture in my office of all those guys and uh Aaron Donald got there great picture yeah Aaron Donald got there a year and a half two years later but it was like guys like William Hayes uh Michael Brockers, Robert Quinn, the whole nine yards, Kendall Langford. And we were just like, we had Greg Williams was on suspension that year. So his son, Blake was our DC, but we were really nasty.

We were physical and we had fun, man. That group just was tight. Like that was the best part. We were just so close off the field and we still have a group text that literally William was texting this morning. just nobody answering Will's text but William was texting

this morning so I love those guys man that that year was really special Kendall Langford I'd say 83, 84, 85 in that window

for similar reasons you know we had great Townsend La La Lausado Bill Bequel now it's a lot of numbers there

great players that group kind of ran ran the team like your group did. Best single play you've ever seen in person on a football field. You had to be in the game. The best play I've ever seen period was the James Harrison pick six in the Super Bowl. Well, that's, yeah.

Yeah, that's the one I wrote that down. Oh, you had that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, but in person, though, I mean, he ran through not only did he return or what, 96 yards or whatever it was. 96 yards, but through a gauntlet of people. I think Larry Fitzgerald ran out of bounds, threw a crowd of people, came back in, and tried to tackle him at the end.

It was maybe the greatest defensive player ever. Yes. Consider the mistakes and everything. You know, the Bo Jackson run up in Seattle, watching that. That was certainly great. I saw Marcus do so many great things. Marcus was a highlight film.

He really was. Anytime Randy Moss run, just ran away from anybody, like just opened up. Yeah, Randy Moss was the man, dude. His gate, so to speak, was so big. I saw a reverse once at the Coliseum going away from the tunnel. Defense was going away from the tunnel. The offense was coming back towards the tunnel. They had the ball on maybe the 40-yard line, 35-5.

yard line. It was right before the half. It was, I believe, a preseason game and it was a reverse to Willie Galt and I remember thinking myself, oh my God, I've never seen anything moved that fast in my life. Right. And then

a fight broke out and it was Lyle and Jimbo covert. Yeah. And everyone else had run down to the other end of the field. Jimbo's cool. Jimbo's totally cool. And, you know, Lyle was a bit crazy. And ironically enough, they were both left-handed. So you've got the rare matchup of one.

And they're both throwing. And the haymakers are coming slower and slower and slower because no one's down there to break it up. And that was when that was when Ditka and Earl, my defensive line coach, who played together in Chicago with Doug Atkins, they got into it walking up to the. tunnel. They put hands on each other? Oh, no, Earl said, you know, because Earl could barely walk. I said, Earl, you can barely walk. He said, yeah, but I could put a good motherfucking on him.

I'm going to give you Ahmad Brooks jumping over an entire Virginia Tech. This was, and some people who listened, well, most people probably never saw that game unless you're a Virginia fan, but this was like, oh, legendary. My freshman year

in Blacksburg, I'm on the sideline because I was a nickel guy at that point. and Ahmaud Brooks, who was one of the best athletes I've ever played with, late in the game. What could have been? Yeah. What could have been? Yeah. I mean, and still had a really good career.

I mean, if you think about those 49er teams, there was a lot of talent there, and he was a guy who would beat the shit out of tight ends and that sort of thing. But, like, ended up a supplemental draft pick. He could have had, he could have been picked in the top five easily to Dad's point. I mean, it's just like. I was at his workout. Yeah. I mean, this guy timed up in four-minute mode.

He jumped over the O-line and landed on the quarterback's back as he's giving the hand off and blows the play up in the backfield. Just decides to do it on a whim. This guy was the most unbelievable athlete I've ever seen. Also, I got to see the Philly special. That was cool. And then Robert Quinn, Kyle, when he sacked, I guess Josh McCown against y'all. and first off he's running sideways on the side of his foot because only he can do that.

He's absolutely eight inches off the ground, left shoulder, dipped down, like running on the side of his foot, chop club. Then he stands straight up at a full sprint like he always does and takes the ball off Josh McCown and does it without falling on the ground and just runs into the end zone 55 yards with it. I've never seen anything like it.

And I would see Robert Quinn make plays like that Like he got a sack against the saints where he crawled. He got knocked down and crawled like a wild animal. He was crawling on the ground, jumped up in the air, and sacked Drew Breeze. He was one of the most unbelievable athletes I've ever seen. Dad, if you could interview one famous, well, the submission was famous person, but I know you. So I'm going to go football player anytime sit down like you do on Fox. Who would it be?

Maybe Dick Buckus. Maybe Jack Lamber. I don't know how good of an interview Jack would be, but playing in the Pro Bowl with Jack, he was, Jack was exactly how I thought Jack would be. You know, he had a Pittsburgh Pirates hat on that he should have thrown away 10 years before then, smoking a cigarette with the ash, like that long, it should have been flicked long before then. He's taping his own wrists. And he was just, you know, he was as, as, as,

unfriendly off the field as he was on the field. Very smart guy from what I gather. The cigarette thing. The cigarette thing. That was big in the 80s. Yeah. That was when I first walked in the locker room from Villanova, it was one's smoking Salem lights and playing cards in the locker room. Yeah. Amazing. It's different. Degenerates. Degenerates. Kyle, you're a media member now. Who would you interview? doesn't have to be athlete dead or alive

yeah dead or alive perhaps what's the guy Nicola Tesla oh yeah yeah they did a movie about him I think well yeah the one the Hugh Jackman movies amazing well they didn't fucking interview him did they didn't they didn't

I didn't mean it like that geez oh my god dad and Kyle too you're welcome to jump in on this one, but best random celebrity encounter. I know I've heard you tell stories about people. We just talked about somebody the other night.

Ashton Coochard. Stephen Stills? Well, yeah, the Stephen Stills story is great. And Kyle, with Coucher being a Bears fan, he's, you see. The night of the double doink. Night of the double doink real quick, because I want to get to the Stephen Stills thing. But this is amazing. Ashton Coocher was in the worst fucking mood after the double doint game.

Like, you would have a worse mood than me. You'd have thought Ashton Coucher lost the game, and I respect it. Because he was not like, you know how like you meet some celebrities and they got all the gear on and they're down in the tunnel and they're laughing after a loss? You're like, this celebrity is not really about it. Man, when I met Ashton Coucher, I could tell he he was having a bad night. Like, I really respected his fandom after that night. I mean, he's been around during regular season games on the sidelines too, and he's dope as hell. And he's always got his wife with him, Milakunis, and she seems to be cool as well.

he is a bear's fan, but yeah, I saw him after that game. And he looked to be in such a bad way emotionally that I didn't even approach him and say hello and I regret that. I had a dip in. I remember I was going to be like, do you need a dip? Because I've seen like memes before. Yeah, like, lips. Yeah. So I was going to be like, do you need a dip to get over this?

But I didn't have the balls to do it. Well, I think if he would have snapped back at you like he had a bad night, I think you would have had probable cause to throw him through the uprights. not before he hit the side of the goalpost and then the bottom. Twice. Hey, but he was cool as shit, even though he was mad.

Dad, Stephen Stills, this is cool. So, 1982, mom and I are 22 years old. And Lyle has just come on the team. And 82,

83. Lyle's just come on the team, and he had a place in the tree section, in Manhattan Beach. And we would go over to their house after a game on a Sunday night. And, you know, he might have, it's an eclectic group, you know, eight or nine people, some, most people not from the football world. But I didn't know who most of them were.

And you got to remember, this is like pre-MTV and, you know, all the access you have now to know who people are. And he had in the living room, which was dimly lit, he had a piano and there was this guy over there kind of banging away at the keys a little bit and he started playing 49 by-byes, 49 reasons, 49 bye-bys. And I said, that's a great song. He said, thank you. And I had no idea with Stephen Stills. He ends up being Stephen Stills. And then he would get into the same. He would get into the stadium as because, you know, most folks didn't know what he looked like.

Lyle would get him a pass as a reporter. So he'd have a, he'd have a pencil in his ear, you know, outside the locker room at the end of the day. Just put a pencil in your ear. Yeah, just put a pencil in year. That's a great disguise. You're a reporter. Yeah. And we've, we saw him in Charlottesville, probably about 10 years ago.

And I think we took Tom back there. Oh, wow. which was an interesting experience. That's so cool, man. He's just playing a piano in the corner of somebody's house. Yeah. It's out of a movie. How about the time when we met your hero,

Charlton Heston, and I told him he was great in Spartacus because I was like eight. And you get so, I could see the life just leave your face. Kyle, you might not get the joke. Well, dad,

tell him why that's embarrassing. Kirk Douglas. Kirk Douglas was in Spartacus. He was Spartacus. Yeah. I was just trying to, you know, play ball. Dad, you were obviously Starstruck. Yeah.

I was wing match. Charlton had Charlton Heston was Ben Hur, you know, and a number of other great movies. And he was kind of enough to come to the debut. Didn't ruin the moment at all. Oh, but it was so funny. I can remember even as a kid being like, damn, I really fucked that up, huh? That's not the movie he was in. Dad, did it go good, meeting your hero and all that?

People mix up Spartacus and Ben Hur all the time. No doubt about it. Movie that makes you tear up. Well, Simon Birch. Simon Birch is a motherfucker. Simon Birch is just because, you know why? Because he was just the best mom and the most incredible person. Yeah.

I would say. The bus scene. Oh, God. that I like. Other one like, um, let's see, uh,

I, I, I like family men. Uh, I like that one a lot. Like, uh, um,

it's a wonderful life. Yeah, you love, but do you cry during it's a wonderful life? You know, I, I get cheeried a little bit towards, yeah,

family man is, uh, is a good one. I think it, it makes you kind of appreciate what you have Forrest Gump Yeah that was

Yeah Forest Gump's cool Sixth man dude There's a real tear jerker When his brother just walked into the wall And became a ghost basketball player That one When I was a kid

I don't know Sixth man You got to check that one Charlton and that one No The Wayne's brothers are in that one Also I could see how you could get

You know The Wayne's brothers And Charlton Heston confused. Hey, interstellar. I can't, dude. Yes, yes. We're the same age now. You're older than. I'm younger. I can't. I can't.

Real quick, football question for you, Dad. And then we'll get you guys out of here so everybody can go enjoy their Thanksgiving week. Well, I got three that were worthwhile that we can hit. Did Brady go to the wrong team? That's what somebody asked. I thought initially that he

chose wisely. What I, you know, I always wondered, what would the offense look like? Because he'd run that same offense up in New England, you know, with the routes that Gronks used to running with Edelman, with, you know, fill in the blank, whatever, whichever player, whether it's white or out of the back field, they had it down pat.

And Bruce's offense is a vertical, take the ball down the field offense. I think what they lack down there is, and I'm not sure that he would have. admit this, but the accountability, the preparation, the, you know, the kind of situational excellence that defined New England and those runs and those Super Bowls that he played at, because they just don't seem to be week to week. This performance we just saw versus the Rams, it was, eh. Yeah, you had the Giants game, then you had them blow out the Raiders, you have them get blown

out by the Saints, like week to week. It's just hard. You don't know. Yeah, I can imagine for him because the one thing you knew that was New England was a favorite his entire time there in every football game. So that is to say that you might not win every game, but you're going to be in every game. You know, the Patriots just didn't get blown out a lot. And they did towards the end against the Ravens and in a couple situations.

There were a couple primetime stinkers that we talked about in the past couple weeks. and that's a lot of the reason why I wouldn't count the bucks out because if you remember getting their ass kicked in Kansas City on Monday night it feels like that's burned into my memory. There was always a random Thursday night against the bucks or the dolphins, but the ups and downs, like usually they got over that hump and then they just played well. And then to your point, Dad, no dump downs.

I mean, like you saw how many balls Fournette dropped the other day. Ronald Jones as much I like him, he's dropped balls out of the backfield. And trust is so big with Tom. So like, where are you supposed to be? And if you're a back and you're running a wheel router, you're just even a swing pass that looks like maybe, and Tom might be missing on some of these. But if you're not in the exact right place,

it's going to piss Tom off. And it's a lot of different people. And you've got a room at wide receiver where a lot of people need to be fed. And could there be issues there down the road? You know, listen, they could get it together, get hot. That team is physically as capable as anyone has beat to beat anybody.

Kyle, did you ever think for a second that he might end up in Chicago? Because that was part of the whole. I thought, you know, I thought San Francisco, I thought Chicago could all be options. But who knows? I was really hoping the San Fran thing happened because I wrote an article and that was going to make me rich and famous. I talked about it on the NFL network in February. Yeah, well, Kyle, I talked about it in my article in summer of 2019 player. Well, you also have a larger brain than me.

I thought about it. I thought about it in 2016. Yeah. We'll Tassam Hill work long term in New Orleans. I think we're going to find out over the next few weeks. You know, the interesting thing to me was, and you don't think about it in these terms, Cason Hill after the game said, you know, it was strange. It was, you know, I'm not going out of the game.

I'm the quarterback. and I think, you know, he's such an emotional player from play to play. Yeah. I think he had to dial that back and he had to calm down a bit because I'm running the offense. I'm the quarterback down in, down out. That's interesting. No one's coming in for me.

I thought he had some great throws. A lot of people are making, you know, too much, I think, out of the duck ball that he threw. Beyond that, I thought he played really well. And that added dimension of him being able to pull the ball down just gives defense's fits, particularly if you're going to play man. You're going to play man. You're, you're in trouble when he pulls the ball down because he is big, yoked, fast, and runs angry. Yeah, I just wonder how long it's going to last where that's sustainable where you can, because it's the

falcons. He reminds me of John Fox's Tim Tebow's offense. Yeah. Except for he can throw better than Tim Tebow. They have the same kind of charisma, the same kind of physique, the same preparation. He's a better athlete. He's a better athlete. He's a better athlete. He's a, he's definitely a better athlete. He might be one of the fastest guys on the field at all times. But he threw for over 200 yards, which shocked me. And he did throw a punt too, which I've never seen.

That was quite the, I know dad said people are making a big deal about it. I just, he's limited. So, you know, it's one of those things. Like, we're going through a run. Guy threw a punt. I mean, it's one of those things. Like, when they get down two touchdowns, what happens? You know, like, and I think, you know, the defense is playing better.

they're peeking at the right time. You get Juan Alexander. You've allowed 25 points in three weeks, I think it is. They're playing in Jordan. Quietly, very impressive football. And Sean Payton, again, proving he's a fucking wizard. You know, you go. Hey, they're six and oh without in the last two years.

He's a wizard. Without Drew. Which is why. Now, that says a lot about the head coach. It says a lot about Teddy Bridgewater. It says a lot about Tason Hill. Yeah. I think it says the most about Sean.

You know, I'm not, I just, I'm on the record, you know, I don't want people to be like, you were just talking about, I don't think Tason Hill's a long-term answer. Your pops is complimentary. I still don't think he's a long-term answer. He's a good football player. He's a good football player. And depends on what long-term is, Chris. Well, I'm talking about next-year. Are you talking about next year?

No, he's not a long-term answer. They're going to know the answer to that question in the next three, four weeks? Yes. And maybe that's the point of this exercise, but when- Yeah. Which is a little confusing because, well, maybe that's what Sean's thinking is, listen, I could go with James, who is a wild card, or I can go with the guy I know, and maybe we're marginally better with James over the next month, depending on, you know, no matter what the situation we find ourselves in, two minute,

down two scores, third and extremely long, like, we'll live with the drop-off in order to find out what we have. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the thing. with James, honestly, he was throwing a lot of bad balls short and intermediate. His deep balls were not as self-destructive as people, I think, thought last year.

When you look at the numbers, a lot of the underneath stuff, which is what you need to survive in that offense, right? So if you're James and your turnover prone and your turnover prone short, like that's like Mike Thomas is running curls, you know what I mean, and crossers.

So that to me is like, it's interesting to me, though, that Sean Payton is willing to, if he believes that, you know, maybe we're marginally better with James. We'll survive this month to find out about the future. But you know what? He could also be thinking, look, how long has Drew been there?

15 years? Drew's been, they've been running that same offense for 15 years with variations, but the same offense. He's watched as, and we all know how gifted Sean Payton is. Is he a gambler? Yeah, he opened the second. half of the Super Bowl up with an on-side kick. Yeah.

I mean, he's a gambler. I think he's looked at some of these other offenses and some of these young kind of, quote-unquote, gurus and said, wait a second, if I've got a guy like this, I can show just how creative I am and that I can win in a totally different way. Yeah. It's kind of like a middle finger to everybody. Yeah. That's why he retweeted Roddy White.

I love that. I like, he's just, he's in the mix. Hey, dad, last thing. how does Aaron Donald stack up against Reggie White? That was a question that was asked. Apples and oranges. They're two totally different players, both from a size standpoint and from a positional standpoint.

Aaron is, I think, double-teamed on 70% of the snaps. And he's triple-teamed another 8%. You know, it's just kind of the way it is right now. He could be as good of football players we have in the league right now, but because you have the luxury of being able to double and triple team him, otherwise his numbers would be astronomical. Reggie's a totally different animal. Reggie was, I'm coming, this is what I'm doing.

Stop it. Right. There was no, you know, there's no, hey, look over here. I'm going to do this. Then I'm going to punch you. There's no, I'm not comping him in, your cox but it's the same vibe yeah it's my style of play is I'm going to hit you with this baseball bat yes like and that's exactly what I'm doing where Aaron is going to hit you with the baseball bat

but he's also going to hit you with the numchucks and with you know the other uh foreign objects like he's got a bunch of tools in the toolbox now what happens to him what happens to him and I and I I see it watching the game is he's frustrated. Yeah. Because he knows he's not getting the one-on-one. Aaron, yeah. It's like a terrible, double, double, double, double. That's a terrible price to pay for being great is that you'll never feel what just like getting blocked like before you got in the league was like, you know, just just a day where you don't show up to work and they haven't game playing everything.

One week where they don't have a 30 minute meeting dedicated entirely to. stopping you. Yeah. Reggie the nicest is, Reggie the nicest great, all time great. You, you matter.

Oh, he's, Reggie was, Reggie was a super nice, kind, genuine person. Yeah. Uh,

really was. Uh, him and Bruce were kind of, you know, Bruce was a different kind of guy. Bruce was as creative and pretty a past rusher. Yeah. As you could imagine.

And he had that kind of Robert Quinn, you know, dipped down on the side of his body coming around the corner could play in and out and do whatever he wanted to do. He was on a different level. This, I have to ask this.

One player that you could give a Super Bowl ring to because we're talking about the bills. If you could give one player in football history a Super Bowl ring, who would it be? You can't say Kyle because he's on the call. I would say, you know, given those parameters, I would say, you know, Bruce would be at, you know, somewhere at the top of that list.

There's a lot of players who've never won, who are players that have defined our league. And, you know, and that's why our game is so tough because it's a 53-man roster. And, you know, you've got to have, it's not enough to have, the one person. Can we get Frank Gore a ring? Yeah. That's another guy. That's a great example. Frank Gore has given

all that and a lot more to this league. And it'd be nice to see him get with a team that has a shot to win. Guys, I really appreciate it. I know we're all separate for Thanksgiving, but I am thankful for you dudes. Not just- Yeah, likewise. tremendous podcast guests, but awesome guys. And love you guys. Love you all. Good to see you guys.

Love you. Good seeing you, buddy. We'll talk later in the week. Peace. Be Thanksgiving, everybody. Stay safe. Terduckin. Yeah, Turduckin.