Green Light with Chris Long - Howie Long! Potential Derek Carr & Mac Jones Trades & Stories from Howie's Playoff Career.

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

(2:00) - Chris & Macon recap their Bowling Night, Talk Potential New Offensive Coordinators for the New York Jets, the Mac Jones Trade Rumor & Green Light's YouTube Comment of the Week. (31:49) - Howie Long joins to talk Derek Carr's Next Destination, the HOF Career of J.J. Watt, Sean McVay & Sean Payton's Coaching Futures. (1:01:56) - Howie Long Guesses the Betting Lines for his Playoff Games with the Raiders. (1:16:37) - Howie Long Mailbag: Would Howie Grow His Hair Out, Peak Cool Howie & Tough Moments in Football. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all 2. 1-8009-9-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight Podcast. Oh, boy. Thanks for popping on today for Howie Long. Howie Chris and Macon are going to run through the NFL. What's going on?

Where's Derek Carr going to go? Will Sean Payton and Sean McVeigh be coaching in the NFL next year? Super Bowl predictions, MVP awards, and Howie gives his rogues to JJ Watt. Howie also guesses the betting lines for each one of his playoff games. And as you can imagine, each one of those playoff games, brings up a couple memories. Stories you don't want to miss.

Maybe a Patriots Tunnel brawl, maybe how he's first apartment when he was with the Raiders. A couple good nuggets in there. To start things off, we hear a little bit more about the bowling event that went on earlier this week. We get a couple of surprise Mac Jones trade destinations. And we give it our favorite YouTube comment brought to you by Kyle Long. Y'all, please enjoy today's show. We will be live streaming this weekend.

Much love. Racine, Wisconsin. Hello! Why? Why not? we're right in the middle there of Milwaukee and Chicago on Lake Michigan maybe they should play the AFC championship there yeah seems more geographically agreeable than

insert dome stadium here Mercedes-Benz dome it was always it was always going to be indoors come on better than Detroit no offense yeah probably better than Detroit the lighting in Detroit is tough make you know it's early in the pot it's early in the podcast for that.

Atlantic... I'm sorry. Guys, stomach hurts. Can't do anything about it. Literally strapped into a chair here. Yeah. I'm sorry. Apology accepted.

Atlanta's is farther west than Detroit. Yeah. So closer to Kansas City. Isn't that something? It is something. It is something. Favorite YouTube comment of the week. It's a new feature.

It's not a segment. Feature. It's a feature of the show. Our YouTube is, it's growing. Our YouTube presence is growing. Much to make in chagrin. Well, no. It was supposed to be a podcast and then it turned into a TV show.

I kind of get it. Because the other day, Reid sent me a social and I looked like a fucking corpse. The thing I didn't take into account is like the older we get and the better we get at this, we're going to have nicer equipment and we're going to be aging. And the cameras get more, like, you know, I think the thumbnails of you guys are electric. Yeah. Well, thanks.

Some of the lighting issues we've had. Upstairs, we looked pretty vibrant. Yeah. And downstairs, less so. Yeah. We're still workshopping some things. But no, as you can tell, I've morphed into wearing a mask. The domer glasses.

Yep, yep, yep, yeah. The hats just get bigger. So I hear you loud and clear. So anyways, we're on YouTube. It's like a TV show. And honestly, it's funny because, like, somebody on Twitter said the other day, He was like, I prefer watching on YouTube because I get to see Kyle shoot you a look or you shoot Kyle a look or, you know, Macon's face or whatever.

And yeah, I get that. So hop on over to, you know, YouTube.com and type in Greenlight Podcast and subscribe. But we're going to be giving out the YouTube comment of the week. This week, it is, I'll find the guy as I talk about it. But the other day, Kyle was in here. And he was kind of, he had pulled up. a piece of the metal. So we have these big telescopic arms.

And if you're on YouTube, you can see. Yeah, they're like microphones, but they're like three foot long, you know, swiveling arms. And there's these, these metal pieces that you can pop off that are about, let's say, about nine inches long. And Kyle's using one as a toothpick. He really put this in his mouth? It was in his mouth.

He was just chewing on it. So somebody on YouTube. And it was Mike Oll. Yes. At 2244, Kyle proceeds to take a piece of the mic and maybe eat it. The image was also used in the thumbnail. See, that's the stuff you can't get on the podcast. So check out YouTube.com.

So shout out to Mike Oll? Mike O'L. Oh. Nice. Michael. So it's named Michael Oll? Yeah, no, it's just Michael. Mike. I think he's doing a play on words.

I think. I thought that was funny. That was pretty, that was good. You picked that up because I think sometimes when I'm hanging out with Kyle, he's kind of like a wild animal. There's only so long that he can, he can like behave like a human. And I think at that point in the podcast, he had been here like two hours. And it was time to leave.

You should just start eating the things on the set. Yeah. Yeah. You know, a sign that the bear is agitated. Yeah, I've got a grievance to air. Yeah, sure. So, especially of late, I think it's, been really good that I can only speak for myself. I can lock in and just talk to you and forget

about the podcast for a little while. And I feel like that's where we get better and more entertaining, not thinking about the words coming out. But I just got this sense of dread that we got a big show because Big Howie's coming off. Howie long. And then like anybody else, Big Howie's not going to be able to not listen to this episode. No, yeah, yeah. So the words coming out of my mouth right now. And he is my podcast. He's your pod conscience. He's my pod conscience. Yeah. And so this is tough. Yeah. It's, it's, um, pressure pack scenario. I want to sound smart and funny. I guess I sounded smart on the last one. Yeah, we'll get there. If y'all hadn't heard that, you know, the last 15 minutes or so, the AP US history, uh, contest we had in the last show. If y'all are interested in that.

Congratulations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you too. I actually took a dive. Did you? I knew it was Texas. Yeah. I just didn't want you to go to the Super Bowl. I just figured that. It would be a lot of begging and pleading and then. Begging and pleading. Yeah. Well, all I did was reserve the right to not go. I didn't. Oh, so you're not out?

Yeah, I'm not out. Hey, Bonneroo lineup came out the other day. Any chance? No. Okay. Lower chance in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Music, I'll do a double layup line today. Great. We'll go Clementine first. Live in Portland. That's a Grateful Dead song. Beautiful. Not to be confused with Tangerine, the Lenz-Eplin song. I made that mistake.

Freudian slip earlier. And a bowl at one point. If anybody's wondering, if anybody's wondering Clementine's much superior fruit to a tangerine. I don't know that I've had a tangerine. Yeah. What's the big deal? Tangerine's stuck in the middle.

What's the new set decoration, especially for the people on YouTube. I saw you brought in some artwork today. Yeah, my kid did a stencil of a horse and wrote Chris and Dadda at the top. really one word it's more of a chris dada Chris dada yeah so anyways it's a centerpiece for the

and then the other one I was going to do was I think it was dust in the baggie well if I would have listened to what mom and popper said I wouldn't be locked up in prison traveled in hand But you were playing earlier yeah yeah Billy strings

string man who I won't be able to see because I'll be in Africa doing Kilimanjaro and he's coming to John Paul Jones Arena two nights Oh, fuck me, Reid. Mm.

You know, I'm to see Kenny Chesney at John Paul Jones Arena. Are you really? 23rd, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Might go. A little dicey because it's a sweet 16 Thursday. Mm-hmm.

You know, if the Hoos are in the Big Apple or something, that's a draw. That's a draw. What would you choose? I don't even want to. That's a tough decision for you. This sounds awful. You'd show up one of those house-divided shirts. If, if, this sounds so entitled, but since we hung the banner, you know,

might can hold out for a final four. I'm talking about actually going. If they're a plan, I would have to watch. Yeah, you got to watch. No Shoes Nation on one side. And, you know, fucking. A saber on the other. Yeah.

A majestic map jersey. Yeah. On the other. Yeah. All right. Can we retire the Stetson pictures since we retire things? Stetson. Put him in the rafter?

Yeah, he's got to join the... We can still see him. It's just bothering me a little bit. Yeah, we had this picture of Stetson Bennett behind the set because making things he's hot. And he's won two national championships now, and now he's going to enter the workforce. Yeah. At 26 years old or whatever he is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's old than Pete Carroll. That's layup line. There is some stuff going on in the NFL. Mike LaFleur has been fired. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mike.

Yeah, I got you. I just want to make sure everybody, you know, nobody spits out there drink at home. I don't know what this says. Does it say they want a fresh start for Zach Wilson? there's been kind of rumblings that Zach Wilson is going to get a clean slate next year and they're going to give it one more try

does it mean that they're going to clear a path for a I don't know, Nathaniel Hackett to lure Rogers to New York like if you're getting a veteran quarterback I feel like we're entering the era when players can dictate who the coaches are. Not like in the NBA

but you can say hey if you're a good enough quarterback like this is my guy and I'm not going to going to New York without him. It could be a play for Lamar, an offense that fits him better. But I think when you look at their offense this year, no matter who played quarterback, they struggled. And that was a sign to me. There was a lot of Mike White hype and all that. But they just weren't that good no matter who was under center. So I'm not surprised that he's fired. Although I didn't hear a lot of chatter about this leading up to his firing. No, it makes me think they have a time.

target like what you were saying, like targeting an OC that can bring in a coordinator, or that can bring in a QB. Well, you have a great defense. They do. You don't want to waste that. What were they? Seven and two? Six and two?

Something like that. They were good. Feels like a long time ago. Would they be interested in Derek Carr, you think? Would they be interested in Derek Carr? I would think so. I don't know, man. Like if I was the GM, if I was Joe Douglas, I don't know if I'd do that.

You know, it kind of depends on what the options are. If it's Aaron Rogers or Derek Carr, it's Aaron Rogers. If it's Lamar Jackson or Derek Carr, it's probably Lamar Jackson. I don't know. I do think Derek Carr could be a decent mentor to Zach Wilson. He seems like a stand-up dude. He could be, but if you're mentoring him, like, another year passes, he's almost done with his rookie deal.

And, you know, the time is. Now, then you can make a decision on him. But. You know, more info? You're going to, yeah. Derek might walk himself out the building. No, yeah. If you were Derek Carr, you'd be interested in the Jets because

Derek's first season, 2014 with the Raiders, they have never ranked higher defensively than the bottom three in the league. And I always thought Derek Carr got a little bit too much hate. Like he definitely is just polarizing figure. But you can't ignore the production. You can't. And your point is very valid. So it'd be interesting to see him in a place that's got a defense that's set up for him.

They can let him sit for more than a couple minutes. He wouldn't have Devante Adams. He wouldn't have Darren Waller. Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall is not bad. Garrett Wilson and Breeze Hall. So other news out of the AFC East, if you call it news, I think it's more of a rumor at this point. I don't even know if it's substantiated. But Mack Jones has asked for a trade.

Now although, and I said this on the Eisen's show, I hope people when they listen at home, know that I'm kind of being hyperbolic sometimes and fucking around, but I called him an irredeemably dirty player. He is a dirty player, but I was kind of being extreme. I still like Mac Jones the quarterback. I think Mac Jones, the quarterback, deserves another shot, whether it's in New England or somewhere else, and it sounds like he wants to be traded, and I understand it. I do. Like, the whole fan base wanted Bailey Zappy. They legitimate, rookie year, you light it up, you lead the team to the doorsteps to the playoffs. Of course, you get, yeah, you get run out of the building in the playoffs, but it's not like he throws to a lot of great weapons.

I said this, New England, they're so good at just, you know, flying under the radar at the skill positions and making decisions that they have to make and not overextending themselves, that you kind of forget. that there's not a lot of talent there. Like Devante Parker, Jacobi Myers, the couple tight ends who haven't been as productive as their paychecks. Thornton. I mean, like, where would you rank that cupboard

for a starting quarterback? I mean, the bottom third elite for sure. So, like, for Mack Jones, I think it's justified to say, like, listen, like, the fan base doesn't like me. They like the other kid that, you know, lost to the Packers in a close ball game, scored 24 points

or whatever it was. You set me up with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. We've talked about this endlessly. I think he's justified and asking for trade. Here's the fucked up thing about Mac Jones. Mac Jones could have been a 49er. Imagine they opted for him

two years ago in the draft instead of Tray Lance. They might be better off. He would definitely be better off. And, you know, it's tantalizingly close for him. And so I think that, you know, if you're Mac Jones wanting to be traded is not, it's not an asshole request. If you're Josh McDaniels, do you want to maybe reunite and trade for him? I don't know. If you're a team, generally, is there enough Mac Jones tape that makes you feel good about spending resources on Mac Jones as opposed to taking a flyer on a rookie or the free agent market?

Well, I mean, to me, there's going to be some teams that are in the middle. that can't spend draft capital on a rookie quarterback. And as we know, that class is not that deep. And then there's going to be, you know, a little bit of musical chairs with Tom Brady, with Aaron Rogers, possibly with Lamar. But say somebody stays put, say Lamar stays put, say Rogers stays put, there's going to be teams that are going to want a veteran quarterback. And although he's only in his second year, as we speak now, he'll be in his third year,

I feel like he's a little bit less of a known commodity so you're betting on somebody who's not a known commodity like say a Derek Carr, like I know who Derek Carr is. The good things I know, the bad things I know too. I don't know what Mack Jones ceiling is. Was it his rookie year?

I don't know. I don't necessarily think so. But if you're like a Tennessee, maybe instead of Tanna Hill Willis Doves, Mac Jones, more of a shirt thing. Yes. If you're Seattle, maybe we don't try to catch lightning in a bottle of a second time with Gino, more of a Mac Jones. If you're Seattle, Gino and Mac Jones, to me, it's kind of a wash. Synonymous.

Yeah, I mean, like you already have the, a year of chemistry with D.K., with Lockett, with those guys, like the momentum, the kind of year he had, you'd have to unseat him for an unknown commodity with a really high ceiling or a veteran quarterback who's just playing better. What about Baker in your whatever it is in L.A. or Mac Jones? Mac Jones. I think that that would be something that Sean Veigh might think twice about retiring. You think Mac Jones would keep him out of the booth? Well, as someone to have those quick passes and he can kind of do a little more fun offense. You were talking the other day, like how he was like Jared Goff kind of held me back a little bit.

I think he's seen that Baker might not be able to get him where he needs to go again. That was fun for a couple of weeks. weeks jumping out of the gym for Baker. He turns around on a plane and wins. That was fun. Three covers. You got Nickelodeon slimed. If the Patriots were to trade Mac, do you think they would get more than what they spent

on him the first round 15th pick? It's a good question. I think it's less. I think they get less. I think I need to watch a Mac Jones highlight tape because it feels like a long time ago. Yeah, but you know, there's moments, you know, like, and I can only judge a player on the context they're in. And this is objectively not, you know,

a high-powered or fine-tuned offense. You know, I think most people would agree there are much better schemes to be in and there are much better wide receiver cores and, you know, skill position options for a quarterback than what he's had in New England.

So for that reason, I would buy low. And he was confident enough to cuss out, Coach Patricia on multiple times. Multiple occasions. Yep. Hey, can I talk to you about bowling for a second? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were good enough to remark

the other day I wasn't here of that both we went we didn't wear the bowling shoes and that I won and you know Chris would be the first to tell you that I won. Oh yeah I think I was yeah I you know that

that night did a lot for me yeah I'm I'm celebrating the new year on Dr. King's Day on Monday the 16th I just needed a couple weeks to to get into gear Okay, good to know. But I'm gonna look back on that night for a long time.

Yep. First of all, I thought a couple cats, I thought Tom and Roe were crushing it. Yeah, I didn't think I had a shot. I didn't think you did either. But I finished Cowboy about spare, spare, spare, nine spare strikes, something like that. He went on a real run, yeah. You know, I think somebody took a picture of the screen, I might just post that for post-a- Thank you.

I appreciate that. So what I did was, I went with the lighter ball than all y'all. I think all y'all are kind of meatheads. You'll work out a lot. You lift weights, that sort of stuff. And you want to sling around the 2xel ball. I went with the lighter ball. I've never bowed before.

Your fingers don't fit in the lighter ball. Yeah. You got those dainty fingers. I knew you were going to say dainty. But this one has a bunch of bumps in it from that softball injury, you know? So I went with the lighter ball. I've never bowled before. All right.

Now, now you're going to say, hey, hey, make, you're a real charitable cat. Didn't you have a significant role in a in a in a in a yeah you did in a nonprofit that centered around a bowling event annually? You did. Well, yeah, that's right. But at that event, I was glad-handing. Chris. Don't strain your rotator cuff. You'll need that in the keglers.

I wasn't rolling the ball down the alley. I was talking to the gracious donors. Yep. So I haven't bowled since I was a pre-teen at that old. old at oldest as people say so it wasn't um anything to spectacular well it was spectacular damn it was it was spectacular but i wasn't i wasn't overthinking it i was trying to think the same thing what here's what i said to myself when i towed the line i just said send it every time i said send it but i would just line up in the same place i would keep my arm straight and i'd release

in the same place yeah some of you guys were trying different things every time you're up there i don't know what you're doing um well i got some notes here Tom, who rolled first, he rolls a strike in frame number one. And then he says, hey, y'all want to put any money on this? And I'm like, nah, dog, you just rolled a strike. I said, to be fair, to Tom, it was my idea to put money on it. Okay. Well, I heard it from Tom.

Hey, 20 bucks, $20 a person. And I was like, no, on the principle of you have already rolled a strike. And I didn't have a lot of confidence about myself, read. but if somebody else is already pitched a perfect game, I'm not going to just donate 20 bucks to the cause. So I declined the invitation to gamble on the event

and then turns out I win the thing, lost out on 100 chickens. Yeah, he did. All y'all gave it to the second place cat. Yeah. Which, I don't know. You said no thanks. And you know what? That's fine, Reed. Because more valuable than the hundred bucks

was the confidence that night game. It was 147, by the way. You said 146 on the show. Yeah, it all. So it was 147 and I just had a great time. And it's an activity. We're in an activity group that I won't soon forget. And probably it'll make me more inclined to do more activities with us.

With you guys as year goes along. Let's do more bowling, man. The National Championship game was up on the big screen right above the pins. Georgia won that game. That's right. We were talking, Chris did not wear shoes. Were you also in that? were you in his company?

I wore shoes, but they were my own. And actually, yeah, that's what he's saying. Well, I know. Yeah, my bet. It's not your man. Geez, Reed. I, um, no, I, I didn't want to,

as Matt said, I don't want to wear shoes that have been worn by other people, that sort of thing. Oh, that's what it was for you. I kept up you listen to the pot. But it was a social. Okay. But a couple people down,

uh, there's a guy wearing, uh, Crocs. So you and I were walking up to get balls and then talking about shoes. And I was like that she's in Crocs. I don't think we need to wear the shoes. We're fine. And then someone's like, oh, you're going to slip. So what I did was, I went up to the line and I did a little, I did a little stutter step and I wasn't going to slip the whole time. So no, I was wearing, I was wearing, it's wearing Knikes. That's good. Yeah. So that was the bowling. Who says we don't do bowling? Sorry. On the Green Light Pod. How many points were you cleared second place by? 11, I think. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's solid. Yeah, thanks. Going to the final frame knowing it's a win, right?

Well, no. No, because that final frame is weird. If you get a strike or a spare, you keep on going. That's right. That's right. So I didn't know how many times I was, I started off my first roll. Listen to this. My first roll, one pen.

I knocked out one pen. I mean, what a redemption story. So you were really like, man, smart for not taking that bet. Yes, exactly. In that moment. Exactly. And there were like six of us. I think I was in the four hole.

It takes a while to get back to you once you're in the four hole. But man, I just, I stayed focused. Some other cats were drinking alcohol and doing drugs, not me. I was, there it is. I was locked in on that Georgia dogs ball game. They go on to win that game, 65 to 7. The lighting was harsh in there. Oh, my gosh.

It was as bright as it is in here. If I'm in a bowling alley, I want it dimly lit. So I can be high in peace. It was, I was on the edge of paranoia, which is kind of where I like to be, but not in a, in a bright room full of strangers. Yes. It was so bright that it seemed as though somebody had messed up. Hey, speaking of nobody fucks with the Jesus. There's going to be a Passion of the Christ remake.

Yeah, I'm happy to see that. What would you name it? Well, it took a little while, in my opinion, to come out. with the sequel. It's not really representative of the time that he was down there. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah, right? They should have, yeah, well, it was in a cave. Yeah, he was down and in. Was he down and in or just in? I think he had to walk a little bit up hill down for three days, isn't it like? That's what I'm saying. You got to have the sequel loaded up. Oh, okay. Well, but wait. Maybe it's I don't mean to be. I don't mean to be.

Yeah, but but it's been Mel Gibson didn't drop that heat last year. It's been Hey, player. I don't mean to be, uh, offensive. Yeah. Or an idiot. Yeah. But he died on the cross, yeah? Yeah.

So he was up. Yep. And then they took him down. But into a cave or was that Mary Magdalene? No, yeah. He went into the sealed, sealed tomb, sealed cave. Yeah. It was a cave.

Yeah. Why didn't, why didn't they just, why didn't they bury him? Here's a question. How did he just, how did he move the boulder to get to get out? I think that was, uh, GOD moved that. No, I think that was. Mary Magdalene. Well, she was like, I gotta go see him.

I think something might have happened, right? And then she found the boulder moved. Mary Magdalene was, she had to be built moving to boulder. Yeah. Yeah. The burial of Jesus refers to the entomment of the body of Jesus after crucifixion. So we're right on all of this. Anyways.

He was placed in a tomb by a counselor of the name Joseph. Well, that's according to the gospel. of Mark, ask Matthew, it might be a different thing. Matthew? As Luke, it might be a different thing. So what are you naming it? What are you naming the sequel? The resurrection of Christ? The resurrection of Christ. That's good. Yep.

To Passion, Two Christest. Oh, that's good. Shea Serrano. That was a Shea Serrano tweet. Good attribution by you. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, okay. Passion of the Christ is one. Yeah.

Home alone, too. He's in the cave alone? Yeah. Wait, wait. The tomb. Okay. Passion of the Christ one. Then home alone.

Yep. Die hard. Pretty good. Die hard. Die hard five. Pretty good. Or whatever it is. Passion of the Christ with a vengeance.

Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, moving this fucking boulder. Can't wait to tell him. First blood? No. No?

Oh, you know the godfather? The godson. He's a son of God. That's good. It's just die hard, man. Yeah, I know. That's great. He's the only...

Yeah. Oh, whoa, whoa. How many, how many disciples were there? I don't know. Nine? Well? Twelve. Twelve?

Twelve. Perfect. 13 was the bad guy, right? Twelve. Twelve angry men. Twelve. That's what I was going to say. Because they were all booved.

Some of them were mad. Yeah, but only Judas, I guess. Judas was like, Judas was, was, was, was, was, was side-eye. Judas was like one of these quarterbacks that gets benched. And then, Zach Wilson, when everybody's like, oh, Mike White. Yeah. All right. So, couldn't think of who to have on today.

That's not fair. That's not fair. Because I was a part of this production meeting. And we just, we did yesterday. Yeah. We decided Howie Long. And we followed a path that led us to Howie Long. It wasn't a backup situation whatsoever.

It was. That's right. This would be the best guy to have on the show. That's right. I'm eating peanuts. Into the playoffs, a legend, a Hall of Famer. Yep. We'll talk some playoffs. Mm-hmm.

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Dad, what happened? Well, I had my Super Bowl trophy, and, you know, it was, I bought you two Super Bowl trophies to commemorate your victories. And when I bought your two, I bought those, a duplicate of those two for me for my library. Yeah. And I came home off the road and the two Super Bowl. duplicates of your Super Bowls were you've got two at home now and you have my two at your studio. Okay, but it's kind of a code break. It's kind of a code break to like, you know, like, hey, I go out and, you know, I didn't win them,

but I was on teams and we got the Super Bowl trophy. No, no, no. When Whalen and Luke win their first Super Bowl or World Series or, you know, Spelling Bee, probably. No, no, whatever the biggest soccer goal. whatever. It's called the World Cup. World Cup, Dad. And you end up getting those trophies just to kind of look at and say,

God, that was just an amazing time. What a remarkable. God, I can't believe my son won two Super Bowls. That's just amazing. That's what that's about. Do you have one for yourself, a duplicate? No, I have one. I have one at the house, yes. We're going to do a GoFundMe. We're going to start it right now. It's a GoFundMe for,

We're going to get him to Super Bowl trophies. But that's really sweet. That's a dad wanting to look. I know. I kind of feel bad now, you know, like I might return him. Hey, listen, I've got, I've got cleats from the year that he won the MVP down of Cove Creek in the league. Thanks, Dad.

Keep it coming. With all the numbers. That was the drop year. That was the year it dropped. He was 13. things just kind of we figured it out we figured it out it helped that you had a guy

run me until I cried dad that was hey that was listen you're a guy and I always tell people this you're a guy that no matter how hard I worked you you never you never blanked

yeah Macon's the same way in here you really didn't Macon's the same way in here. And I think that that moment was a turning moment for you. Yeah. You know, once you've been, once you've taken yourself physically and mentally to that line, that red line. Yes. You know, you know where you can go.

Shout out to Ben Delisandro. Ben Delessandro. I'm going to sign a radon test kit and get it over to Howie so we can add to the memorabilia collection. Right. Right. Yeah, that's good. Which is deadly serious. It's an odorless gas.

Yeah. That comes up from the ground. Big Howe, do you remember Chris, and he's told it so many times that I forget the details, was it hitting a home run but then missing home plate and being called out in little? Yeah, I do remember. You know, it was one of those deals where, and again, it was the 13-year-old year, and, you know, this was a 12-year-old year. And I think Chris, it wasn't something that we talked about, but I'm sure he wanted to hit a home run.

Hadn't hit a home run. Big tall kid. Hadn't hit a home run yet. And the irony of it is that next year down at Coak Creek, it was like the most ridiculous home run barrage you could possibly have to the point where the bases were loaded and they walked him. Yeah. How many people can say that? Barry Lamar Bonds?

Yeah, that's about it. And I did it clean. That's right. He lit it up. And I remember when they announced the MVP. there was also a guy, you know, it's interesting people can just be kind of, you know, just bad people, you know, for whatever reason. They're out there.

They're unhappy, whatever. He knows I'm standing like two feet from him, and he says, and the MVP of Coke Creek is Chris Long. Oh, I didn't see that. That guy definitely was filling out the scorecards and shit. What's running through my head at that point because I'm still wired a little tight is I'm in my head. I'm punching him in the face, but, you know, you just can't tooth that at a 13-year-old baseball league. Hey, good job.

Yeah. Good job. And good job not doing anything to the guy that called me out at home base. Sir, the question was about missing home plate. Yeah, and it was, you know, the euphoria, the, you know, it really, really was and his teammates were thrilled the death for him and they crowded around the plate that's why i missed home plate and and somehow you know he was looking through the little legs and you you had to go out of your way to kind of and and i think he couched it as a life's lesson you know it's good

never forgotten it well no i mean much of my successes due to bruce max said dad did i miss home plate you think you know i don't know i was i was so elated for you I really wasn't paying attention to touching home playing. Okay. Hey, I wanted, Bruce Max, he was a stickler.

He was a stickler. He was a tough, he was a tough, tough umpire. Dad, uh, the Skechers, man,

did you see Nate's reaction when I opened the box of Skechers, the Pokemon's, sketches that you had to go to, to Skechers Asia to get? I sent, I sent it to my, my friend at Skechers who, who kind of sets everything up,

Marcel and I said these are I want to qualify this these are two grown men well you had the 14th were a dead giveaway yeah you know yeah and I I don't get the the Pokemon stuff I don't get it but he just was blown away I mean just child like Nate yeah yeah it just you know you see something like that it just makes you smile that's so good Yeah, Nate loves Pokemon. All right, I want to talk to you about a couple NFL deals before we dive back into your playoff history

because you played in a lot of playoff games. We were looking at this. Holy hellraiser. That was a lot. First things first, JJ Watt retiring. How do you kind of sum up his career and what kind of player he was in context of, you know, the history of the game and all the great defensive linemen that played?

J.J. was, I think, a unique player. In his body type, he was big, he was long. He was, he weighed enough to, you know, be able to go from a nine to a three, which he does now, or he did until he retired here at Arizona. I think the thing that really stands out, it's like any player that you're going to categorize as a Hall of Fame player and elite player, I think you have to. you have to be the best on the planet at what you do at your position for a period of time in your era. And that's all you can do is control your error.

I mean, you know, we look at things like the guy that is Joe Green was 275. He's cocked on the nose, whether it's the ballhand side or on the offhand side. that guy weighs 3.30 now. You know, the game has changed. It's bigger. It's stronger. It's faster. And he was kind of a glimpse into the future. And I think he was the best on the planet for a significant period of time there. And never kind of cheated it.

He always, you know, he always brought it. And he was always prepared. He's a guy that is a first. ballot hall of famer in my mind you know that's a that's a kind of a challenging process to go through the whole voting thing but i i think i can safely say he's a first ballot hall of famer whose name uh are you excited to see on the list of finalists this year jared allen willie anderson ronde barber dwight freeney devon hester tory holt andre johnson albert lewis darrell Joe Thomas, Zach Thomas, DeMarcus Ware, Reggie Wayne, Patrick Willis, and Darren Woodson.

The thing that jumps out at you right away when you hear that list is that it's a really challenging process for the voters because you could make a case for each and every guy. You know, then I think things that factor in are, you know, and whether they should factor in or not, whether you play on a team that has a bunch of holes. Hall of Famers? Do they kind of lean towards, you know, putting people in from a team that doesn't necessarily have a lot of Hall of Famers? Or the era that you played in. Like, for example, you look at Len Swan and John Stallworth. Terry would throw 22 balls in a Super Bowl. Right. You know, the ball is being thrown around the yard. You know, we're doing it more and more. And it started when, you know, Kyle and really when Kyle and Howie were in high school where everything was spread, it's, you know, wristbands and, you know, it's three, four wide receivers. You're in sub packages all the time and you're throwing the ball more than ever.

That inflates quarterback's numbers. That inflates wide receivers numbers. It's scoring. It inflates all of that. So, you know, I'd like to think that if John Stalworth and, Len Swan played today, they'd have the same kind of monster numbers that the receivers today have. So, you know, Jared Allen, Saxon, you know, I, I, such a unique player, size, lengths. He was kind of like, he played like Gumby. He was like Gumby. He contorted his body and pass

rush into such awkward positions that would be a challenge for anyone else. You can make a case for everyone on that list and there lies the challenge. Yeah. You were talking about when things change the spread and everything and everybody was in subpackage. It's kind of rendered like your traditional off the ball linebacker kind of not extinct. There's a few left. Unless you're into England. Yeah. And that's what I think. The first guy I think about is Dante High Tower. You know, like Dante High Tower could have played in the 90s in the early 90s and he thrived in this era. But there's so few defenses that accommodate a guy like that.

And it becomes harder and harder. You look at New England now. Yeah. And, you know, you can look at their backers and you can always kind of tell a Bill Belichick, you know, and it's, listen, Sean Payton has a little bit of that to him with, you know, whatever the kind of prototype is, whether it's a quarterback, it's a tight end. Can the tight end block the D gap?

you know, is he a threat in the scene? The linebacker, can he do this and also do that? I look at those New England backers and, God, they got a way to what is, what's the outside backer way 270? Oh, yeah. And obviously, like, hey, you know, being an outside backer and being an edge rusher, they're kind of synonymous now. But, you know, with, like, Dante and some of these bigger guys, it's just harder to find the field,

you know. He's a big man. Yeah, and so anyways, sidebar, but you mentioned Sean Payton. You got to work with him all year. I know that his name's swirling around with some of these coaching vacancies. Number one, do you think he's serious about this? Number two, I mean, obviously he's somewhat serious about it. Where would you see him fitting?

And then number two, how awesome was it to sit next to a guy who's got that offensive mind and kind of soak in some of the perspective that he brought to the take? table. It was a lot of fun and Sean's a lot of fun and he's an energetic guy who, you know, has a ton going on in that head and, you know, you mentioned him as a kind of an offensive mind. He's a Bill Parcell's disciple. Yeah. And I think that kind of gives you a lot of kind of a clue of how he thinks. You know, don't draft a quarterback with, anything but a 10-inch hand. You know, I want a B-Learner, not, you know, I can deal with a B-learner.

I, B-M-A-C, I, you know, I don't want to coach a player that I'm struggling every week to kind of get on the same page in every conceivable situation. It was fascinating to sit and talk with him every week in the avocado room, you know, between shows and in watching the games, just his whole philosophy and, ways that he tried to find in New Orleans an edge. And, you know, it could be something as simple as whether it's sleep or travel or, you know, it was always trying to find one more thing that would give us just a slight edge. I think wherever, if he decides to go, I think whatever team is fortunate enough to get him is,

is a team that at some point the near future is going to be in the running for one playoffs and two, you know, a potential Super Bowl run. The perfect place, and I'm not sure that it's going to open up. I mean, Brandon Staley is, I think, a really bright guy. He really kind of epitomizes today's coaches where, you know, it's the numbers. It's the, you know, I make a decision. in this situation, how much of it do I lean on my, you know, where's the defense? Can we stop them? You know, are we tired, this, that, or the other thing, factoring that into a decision, you know,

like last week, you know, with nothing to gain playing those players as far as he did, it didn't, to me, it just didn't make sense. And particularly with Bosa and Williams, you've got a quarterback like that, who I think is, I believe is a generational talent. I think to a certain extent, it was almost his stay at Oregon with the exception of the bowl game and the senior bowl and winning the MVP there

where you kind of got to see what this guy could do. It was like Michael Jordan and Dean Smith down in North Carolina. How do you hold Michael Jordan under 20? Well, you play in Dean Smith's offense. and you go four corners and whatever. Yeah, it's the equivalent of checking the ball down a million. Yeah, this kid, Justin Herbert, is a generational player. And not that his windows, he's a young guy and the windows open.

And I hope it stays open for a long time because we've got some great young quarterbacks, you know. But it's the rookie deal. Joe Willie Burrow and, you know, Patrick Mahomes does things that I think we take, I think like we take LeBron for granted. I really believe this. He's so good he could be the MVP every year. He does crazy stuff that you just take for granted because it's him.

And if anyone else had done it, and Burrow is one of those guys where I think this week he said, you know, I love this time of the year. It's, you know, it's it's the time when, you know, you win. And winter you go home and I play my best football. in these situations. You know, I mean, he's, he's confident, but you don't dislike him. It's not in an arrogant way.

Yeah. He just believes in himself, which I think is really amazing. We've got some great young quarterbacks, but that job for the Chargers, I think he has to win. You know, I'd like to see him win a playoff game, and I'm not sure what the organization does. They're not a spendy organization. No.

I think Sean is always intrigued by great ownership, great structure. You know, it has to be an organization that, you know, you build a culture in. You know, and the culture has to be winning and players have to want to come there and be there and stay there. I think he thinks that's important. You know, Denver is obviously from an ownership group. But, you know, there's a lot of things. the cap, the lack of draft picks, is Russell done? Does he have more years?

Can he get the best out of Russell? I think he can. Carolina's another place. Dallas is an interesting place, and I haven't talked to him about Dallas, but, you know, Dallas is a talented team, and Jerry's on the clock. And, you know, it kind of reminds me of Al where, you know, Al Davis was as the, you know, he got to his later years, the kind of passion to get it done now. And if Dallas, you know, say we were to stumble this week, I'm not sure what would happen

down there. And, you know, I'm a big fan of Mike McCarthy. But I think, you know, Jerry's on the clock, you know, in his mind and wants to win that fourth one under his banner. And, you know, he's played a big role in development. developing that team and they have a lot of talent. Does Sean want to go back? Does Sean coach down there?

You know, he knows what coach. I always say this. I think you could make the case that Dallas is maybe the most challenging place to coach. And it might be the most pressure quarterback in the league. And I think that's for a number of reasons. One, it's America's team. Well, we'll get 30 million people, you know, whether you think, they're America's team or not. It just depends on the week. I don't know if you tune in on Mondays for

our show, but we have a segment called America's team. Only Kyle puts them in America's teams. Well, I'm saying from a broadcast standpoint, in a big game, you could get 30, 35 million people watching down. Yes, yes. The numbers are staggering. And I think if you're playing quarterback down there, you're chasing ghosts. Yeah. You know, you're chasing Roger Staubach. You're chasing Troy Aitman, you're chasing championships and a lot of pressure that they haven't won one since, you know, I'm not sure the exact year, but it's been a long time. Do you think Sean McVeigh makes a jump to TV this year? I think Sean McVeigh is one of the most fascinating people I've ever sat and talked with. I could talk with him for hours about football. He lives, eats, breath,

sleeps football and you know players schemes you know uh history games he grew up in it obviously from a family standpoint i think he he's so intense and he pour so much into it i think he you know and this is just my gut on it that i think if if he's thinking about moving on it's once you've done it and it's you you're chasing perfect it's the holy grail it's unattainable. And he's chasing that every day, not just every week or every year. And this has been a really, really, really challenging year for them.

Yeah. And I think he's a little bit, maybe burnt out. I think he's burnout. That's what I think. I think, you know, some people look at it like, oh, young coach, the whole thing, like, how could he be burnt out? It's a long road growing up in football like he did. And then coaching as an assistant until you get that head coaching job.

And like the emotional toll that even winning takes on, organization is it's it's not insignificant what were you going to say you not just players but the staff members he's lost yeah lost players he's lost staff members it's been a challenge yeah no question you and i haven't talked about this but i think it's interesting that the narrative is making a jump to tv and maybe it's just because he's a really likable guy yeah and not tucking tail and not wanting to coach through a rebuild yeah exactly because you look at a guy like Mike Tomlin who's been there forever, never had a season under 500. But they also don't operate like LA has operated.

Understood. They're far more conservative and they're a program building kind of program. And that's what they, there's more continuity there. And so I think that the toll, the level of expectation is high, but the toll's probably, you know. It's, hey, look, if he does it, it's probably a great career. No question. No question. But to dad, yeah.

I'll throw a name at you, John Madden. John Madden wins that Super Bowl and, you know, for a number of reasons. You know, it's one, it's, again, he's a guy like McVeigh just poured his heart and soul into it. He won 100 games in his first 10 years. Yeah. And you're pounding on that door of Pittsburgh to get to the game. Yeah. You know, and you've got Houston, too, you know, teams like that.

There were teams that, you know, you think of, and the Steelers dominated that era. And, you know, the Immaculate Reception kind of was opening up the door for them for a kind of a dynasty. And I think we can all name 90% of the players on both sides of the ball that started for the Steelers. They will live on forever. And Franco, you know, God rest his soul was such a good man. And such an ambassador for that team and the league. and, you know, he was always a gentleman and was nice and kind to the bellman and as he was the president of a company. Just a good man.

Yeah, he was cool. I met him backstage at one of the NFL honors things, and he was so down to earth. It was crazy. Okay, Derek Carr, stick with the Oakland Raiders. You mentioned John Madden. The Oakland Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders, next year. The LA Raiders. Question mark at quarterback.

Derek Carr pretty much saying goodbye. That era's over. How did you feel about how it all went down, how the Raiders did it? And then also, where do you think is a good fit for him next year? And who might fill that vacancy? Well, how many quarterbacks have started this year, started games? I think it's like 66 or something. 66.

Wow. Yeah. So, you know, people are looking for quarterbacks. And there are teams like, you know, for example, the Jets or, you know, there's a number of teams, Seattle. I'm not sure what they're going to do. He's in the final year of his contract there and he's had a nice year. I don't necessarily think Derek for me, and I don't want to speak for Derek. New York is not, I don't think, the market for Derek.

you know, it could be somewhere else, maybe Carolina. There are other teams that are looking for a quarterback. But how it was handled, I still really don't know, you know, he leaves the building. Is he told to leave the building? Is it something that he requested after being benched and being told that he's not going to play? You know, I know it was about $4 billion. And, you know, I think that's obvious to anyone. The question was that they not want him in the building, you know, Casey tripped and fell in the shower, or, you know, he was on the elliptical machine and threw his back out.

And, you know, you're on the hook for $40 million. That being said, I never understood the contract he signed. It was surprising to me for a guy that, you know, had been to a couple, three pro bowls and, you know, throw for that many yards and, you know, all the things that he had done and done in Oakland and in L.A. I'm not in L.A., Oakland, and Las Vegas. But the one thing that he did get was, you know, he has the right to approve any trade. Yeah. So he's working from a position of power.

If they're going to keep, I'm sure they're going to try to make a trade before that date. I think it's three days after the school. Yeah, it's in February. I think it's a 15th. Yeah. Is it 15th? Something like that.

Definitely puts a lot of pressure on them. I don't know if it could have been, because I really don't know exactly the way it was handled. And, you know, Sean Payton talks about culture and, you know, it being an important component to a football team in an organization. And I hope it was handled the right way. And like him, don't like him, whatever your, whatever side you sit on, he certainly, you know, know, deserve respect. Yeah, and, you know, the February date that you mentioned is significant for a number of reasons. One, as the player, yeah, I'm in a position of power, but I feel pretty powerless come April

if one of these teams that I've requested to be traded to and it goes through is like, hey, we're drafting a quarterback. You know, like, sorry, we didn't know he'd be here or, you know, it was just something. Yeah, I'm sure they'd have to give up capital to get him. so, you know, he'd know which teams are threats to move up. But stranger things have happened. And that's a weird situation being traded in February. I think they'd have to, one, they'd have to give up capital.

And two, they'd have to sign him to a significant deal. Yeah. And what does a significant deal look like? I mean, is it 35 mil? Is it 40 mil? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But I would think that the deal would be a better deal than the one he signed,

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Sure. Okay. We're basically going to give you the year and the opponent in the playoffs, and you try to guess what Las Vegas deemed the line. All right, Howie said the 82 season, you guys played the Browns.

You won 27 to 10. And Cleveland quarterback, Paul McDonald, had 281 yards. Do you think you were the favorites? And if so, by how much? 82 is an interesting year. I lived in a hotel in Oakland. We moved to Los Angeles as a team,

but practiced in Oakland. So every game, as a side note, was a road game. Oh, that's interesting. And I lived with Lyle Al-Zado in a hotel, which was in and of itself a whole other show. But I would say we were favored, probably by six. He's close, eight and a half.

Yeah, close. I could have opened it six. Browns got in there at four and five. They got in at four and five. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, it was a strike short in year. Strike short in year.

The Raiders were nine and oh against the spread as a road team. I was nearly, honest to God, I was nearly broke because my check, my rookie year, is $1,07 after taxes. Yeah. So this is here, too.

Yeah. And I'm making 48 grand. Yeah. And, you know, at that point, I think I'm driving a used car. And we go on strike and, you know, the money dries up. And, you know, you've got family members that need help and whatever. And I just remember it was a fascinating year on a lot of levels. You know, the strike, living in a hotel, every game was on the road.

That was a team that probably should have went to the Super Bowl. and maybe won one. We ended up winning the next year. Skip ahead a couple years here. You went from one grand to 48 grand? No. I was 38, 48, 58, 58, 68, 68, 78, 88, 88, 88, 88. Wow.

Yeah. And my check after taxes was $1,007. Uncle Sam. But if you adjust that for inflation. Okay, so I'm making $10,000 for you. Well, check back in a day. Fast forward to what? 84 season, the Seahawks, which I think were your divisional rival at the time,

we're hosting you guys for the playoff game, lost, unfortunately, 13 to 7, gave up 126 yards to Dave Dornick. Dave Dornick, who is, we gave up 100, 100 and what? 126 rushing yards. 126 rushing yards to Dave Dornick, who is now a dentist. We gave up 126 yards. I'm assuming is he a white dentist, dad? To a freaking dentist. Those trips, and you never experienced this.

And as loud as Seattle is now there, that kingdom, our offensive line, we were good for five, six fall starts, five fumbles, you know, it was just one of those kind of places where you could be down 13 points in the first three minutes. Yeah. I would say we were probably favored by three. Very close, yeah, you guys were favored by a point and a half. Okay, which means they didn't buy it. It was a pick-em. And poor Dave Dornick's name is actually Dan. Oh, sorry.

But he is a dentist. I call him Dr. Dornick. I don't know. As I alluded to earlier, he is a Caucasian running back. Okay, go ahead to 1990. Let me take this one. 1990, you're playing the Bengals. Oh, no, no, no. I won 85 because I got a question about this game. Raiders, Pats.

You lost 2720 to the Pats. You know what question's coming. You had a fumble recovery, and Matt Mellon, Matt Milling connected on a right cross. What happened? What would happen was, I'm from ball. Boston. And I think it was the Boston Globe had written a story about, you know, how the Patriots never really, you know, took the time to take a hard look at local guys like Freddie Schmerliss or, you know, myself. And, you know, said I was happy playing where I was and probably something sarcastic as a 24, 25 year old.

And we're playing the game. And again, that was another team that should have went. You know, that was a game we lost. And, you know, we ended up turn. I think we turned the ball over at the end of the game. But anyway, there's this guy walking up and down the sidelines. And he looked like he was drunk or something. And he's yelling at me the whole game.

And, you know, normal size guy, don't know who he is, have no clue. And after the game, he's. you know, and I always wore my helmet until I got to the locker room. It was just one of those Earl-Leggid isms, you know, and Matt Millen usually, and Matt Millen and I usually walked off the field together. Randall Cobb and Aaron Rogers. Well, not like that. You know, that was a, this was a different kind of thing.

Yeah, I got it. If something goes down and things occasionally did go down. Yes. I've got my helmet on. I'm walking towards a tunnel. at the Coliseum, that's a long tunnel. It's a long walk up the tunnel. Actually is, yeah.

And I see this guy out of the corner of my eye, because, you know, I've got the perifs going. I'm, my head's on a swivel. And I see this guy coming towards me. Now I'm thinking to myself, now this drunk's coming over to me. I've had that situation twice at the Coliseum. Once was with you.

And the other was this time. I wasn't the drunk guy. You were the drunk. Yeah. And this guy comes up and says, Howie, howie, I'm blowing him off. He said, you don't know who I am. And I said, no, I don't.

And he said something like, I own the team. And then it dawned on me, you know, who he was. And I'm paraphrasing, but I think I said something like, well, correct me if I'm wrong, unless your dad died last night, you don't own. Blank. And he starts to reach, I don't know whether he's coming to shake my hand or he's reached for me. Matt doesn't know any of it. this. And Matt sees him reaching for me. And allegedly, Matt clubs him in the head with his helmet

and there's blood everywhere, literally. And it turns out this guy is, you know, the pseudo-owner. You had owner's blood on you. How many people can say that in the history of... Literally, allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. Well, that's a... That's a Charles style thing, allegedly. It's like the avatar serum that were bottling up owner's blood. That's incredible. When you think about it, you know, here's Mac, you know, allegedly clubbing him in the head.

And, you know, it's a big deal. I mean, you just clubbed an owner in the head. Yeah. And there's no charges. There's no, it's not... If we had done that today, we would be, I don't know whether it's canceled or... Yeah, you'd be... be incarcerated.

Well, not necessarily. Cancelled and incarcerated. Well, no. Plenty of guys have hit other people with helmets, but you can bet an owner's son would be pressing them charges.

With a helmet? Yeah. And you know, the funny, the really, the kind of full circle part of the story is, you know, they went on to sell the team and, you know, his business ended up being all the satellite trucks that you see at stadiums. Oh.

And I've seen him through the years and we've said hello. You know, I hold no grudge or ill will towards him. And, you know, I'm not sure he's probably thinking in his head, boy, I wish I was 260. All right. So what was the line in that game? We were probably favored by six. There you go.

You almost hit the nail right on the head there. Five and a half. All right. So let's go 91 Chiefs, Raiders. This went 10-6 Chiefs. Steve DeBerg, doing just enough to win. I mean a lot. It seems like I'm at a lot of those 10-6 games.

Yeah, buddy. Let me tell you. Yeah. That was at, that was, was that at the Coliseum or was that in case? No, I was in Kansas City. Yeah. Yeah. That was Marty Ball.

Yeah. And, you know, we're going to run it 40 times, and we talk about the difference in eras. We're going to run the ball 40 times, and, you know, we're going to keep your offense off the field, and you're going to make mistakes, and I think it was one of those games. So what do you think the line was? I'm going to say Chiefs by three. Again, pretty close. It was Chiefs by five.

Chiefs by five. What do you think the line was in 1991? I don't know that we have this line actually, but more just talk to me about the 1991 game. It goes 513. I'm sorry, I'm even bringing it up, Buffalo. Oh, no. You got a Super Bowl, so like, you know.

But one of the all-time greatest teams that never won a Super Bowl. What was the scouting report on these guys? And, like, what was it like playing them? That was the game. I fractured my hand. Yeah, I remember this. He played Cincinnati and beat Cincinnati at the Coliseum.

And we went from 85 degrees to minus 23. And Bo also injured his hip in that game. Oh, the hip injury? Yep. And I remember my hand was broken in, I think, six places in my, from the thumb down to the wrist. and I had a hard cast on that night, and your mom and I were out in the garage at 4 in the morning with a, not that I knew anything about, you know,

Handy was not my middle name around the house. But the only saw we had was my hand went blown up so much that it was, you know, turning purple from being swollen and the cast not allowing, you know, the extra room. So we're in the garage at 4 in the morning trying to cut it off. And we end up going up to Buffalo and everything that could go wrong, went wrong. And it was one of those games where, you know, you don't get, I didn't get taken out of the game. I mean, we didn't rotate.

And I'm playing with that shattered hand in a cast that's like this big. And that flight home, I remember, was we had to make an emergency landing in Cleveland. We dumped fuel over the lake. Worst flight. Worst flight. Yeah. And they weren't sure if the landing gear was frozen up or frozen down. That's the definition of worst flight.

Yeah. And, you know, I'm saying to myself, I'm going to die landing in Cleveland. In Cleveland. You know, not where I pictured. And I tried to remember when they had phones. They used to have phones on the plane that you could put a credit card in and make a call. I made a call. And mom was shopping.

so I didn't get to say my goodbyes. What time was that? I went right into surgery the next day, and Dr. Lane in Beverly Hills reconstructed my hand. And still works. Listen, that Buffalo team was great. They were great in a different place,

at a different time. I think we played them the next year in L.A. I'm not sure if we played them the next year. You played them in 93. 93. Yep, yep. The bills were favored by seven. Bills won by six.

Played them in the regular season the next year, lost in overtime. That was kind of, you know, what the game should have looked like, but it was one of those games where it was that old artificial turf. Yeah. And it was kind of a, it had a dome to it.

in the center. And going down the side, some of that turf was, they just knew where all the spots were and our corners were slipping. And it was just one of those days. And they had a great team. They really did. You think about the great players on that team.

Chris. Still friends with Jim Kelly, although he tells, you know, his stories become kind of, I'm not sure if, you know, were the real and the made up kind of the lore. Yeah. Your dad's

middle name is not handy, but it is Moses and what he was trying to do with your mom in the garage at 4 a.m. was to part the cast to relieve the pressure. So what do what do you want to know about his middle name? No, it feels like a segue. No, no, no, it's not. It's just a really good play on words by me. Hey, Big Howe, happy birthday, man. How's House 63

feeling. You know, actually I'm shocked. I'm good. I'm good and thankful to be here. Getting to see all these grandkids grow up and they just it's a joy.

It's a pleasure. It's a treat. I got mailbag for the big guy. We're going to rapid fire through these so you can get on with his day. But Adam Lefko asks, what would it take for you to grow out? your hair for one season. Like one year.

And what would it do? What would it do? Oh, my hair goes like, it's like, it's like Danny Terrio from Saturday Night Fever. It just, you know, it goes up and out.

And my head looks like, looks like the blimp. It's that big. It's big enough as it is. So it's not going to happen. It's wavy and long. Will you ever grow a beard? Interesting.

I grew a beard for, I think, 3,000 miles to Graceland. Which is a great segue into the next mailbag question. Do you have any Kevin Costner stories from 3,000 miles to Graceland? He was, I tell you what, he was great. You know, Kurt Russell and Kevin Costner are, you know, I think they're both athletes. and they kind of have that mentality. He was very supportive and giving, and, you know, he was able to kind of guide me through some things that I had to do in the movie

and was very supportive. Good guy. Really good guy. Who supported you as you carried out the game plan on the deleted scene? in that thing you do that we've been talking about on the show a lot, where the people, the burning question is, were you Tom Hanks'n's boyfriend in the movie, or were y'all just buddies?

I think that was the kind of insinuation, you know, and I think because it was a Disney movie where I'm in the director's cut, but I'm not in, I wasn't in the release because, you know, Disney, and even though there wasn't anything in the movie that would, tangibly tell you, you kind of got the impression that I was his boyfriend. Yeah, that shit. That's just come up on the pot. Y'all do look similar when he has, when he's got long hair.

Lettuce grow now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's pulled up a really old picture. You probably, a year out of, two years out of Charlestown, Howie Long. All right, the next one, speaking of just leaving Charlestown, is do you remember working at the door at Peabody Bar in Havertown, PA? You know, I'm not sure that I did work there. I worked at Kelly's Bar.

Kelly's Bar. They probably had it mixed up. What was your job at Kelly's Bar at Villanova? You think my job was? Beating people up. No, no, no. It was a Villanova Bar. It was a Villanova Bar. You were collecting covered.

And your mom's still to this day. We were actually, we went to dinner last night with Mike Grozier. and another alumni from Villanova last night. And we were talking about Kelly's because the guy who Mike had with him had worked there. And it was the old Kellys and it was dirty and grungy and, you know, it was a kind of a real character kind of bar. And I worked the door and I never let your mom in. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah, I said, look, I wouldn't worry about what's at the door. I don't worry about you in the bar. Yeah. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a sharp play there uh dad um this is from me what's the coolest you've ever been hmm time and a place and why who peak cool howie when was peak cool howie you don't like to to your own horn so just you could take a break for your humility i don't I don't know if it was cool, but, you know, I went through college and lived at Villanova for four years. You know, Thanksgiving, Christmas, spring break, summer school, never went home.

And, you know, wasn't thinking NFL. And, you know, your mom and I were both surprised. I mean, the Raiders picked me in the second round. I'm like, wow. The coolest was probably, you know, you get your first paycheck. I never had a driver's license in college. Never had a checking account. Didn't have any money.

I had my meal card and, you know, what little I could cobble together through working at Kellys or whatever. But, you know, buying that used Coop DeVille in Tucson, Arizona, and driving to Oakland, was a really cool kind of moment. You know, I wasn't sure if I had arrived, but I'm in the NFL. I've got 38 grand in my pocket. My signing bonus was, I think, 80, and they gave me 40 and deferred the rest.

But I was on top of the world. What color was the car? It was a used cooped-vill, powder gray, spoke wheels, the lower interior, and it had an eight-track cassette deck, the old big eight-track cassette decks. So what was playing? Because we were just, me and Kyle, we were just on the pod talking about this. When we were in the suburban, it was shot A. And when we were in the boat, it was Tunnel of Love. What was playing in 1982? Oh, probably Zepp, probably Zeppelin. you know anything from that era pink floyd could have been something like that you know low

ride in Oakland yeah yeah to the right yeah you're laying out and the irony of it is what we first got to la in 82 we had an apartment with that was literally on the runway at lax and that that DC 10 or whatever it was would fly in at 10 o'clock at night and the building would actually shake. And mom was heading to law school. And when I was in training camp, training camp at that time was like, I think it was like five, six weeks long. And two days and all that. And you know, you're just keeping your head above water. And mom calls me crying from a pay phone in Play-Dale-Rae. Well, if you went down the road to the beach in Pleiadel Ray.

If you go left, you head towards Manhattan Beach, that's good. If you head right, that was kind of the rougher beach. And the used coup de ville got stolen and your mom was stranded in the street. Oh, shit. And had nowhere to go. Oh, no. So that was the end of the coop deville. Damn, I didn't know.

It got lifted. Damn. All right, here's another one from me. How did you guys used to find out who was winning around the league, like playoff time? if you were in a tight race, you know, because you didn't have the internet and freaking, you know, TVs to turn on and to see the games on TV. Like, how did you find out about scores on the plane after a game? You know, I'm not sure that we did.

Yeah. And I'm not sure, you know, you think about it, there's no real cell phones at that time to any great extent. I think maybe someone had a briefcase that had a cell phone in it. That's so cool. the highest big guy on the team had one. Wait, that was a thing? Well, early on, it was, you know, I think it was in the mid-80s, you know, 83, 84, 85, that kind of time right around when you were born.

And there was a, there was literally a, it came in a case. And, you know, the signal was shoddy at best. But, you know, we had AP, UPI, the three networks that, you know, you know, ABC, CBS, and NBC. And I'm not sure if ESPN, it was doing like, if it was around at that point in the early 80s, it was doing tractor poles and, you know, duck hunting and, you know, something like that, didn't have any big contract.

So communication was definitely limited. But, you know, we didn't know any better at that time. now you want everything everywhere and what's that movie everything everywhere all at once or oh yeah the one that yeah i tried to watch it it was crazy yeah i heard it was crazy but we didn't have that we it's like in college we had a paid phone in the hallway yeah i think it was a quarter i've got one good break down the film on kyle long as studio analyst does he have the goods is he going to unseat the old man i you know i was you know you know you kind of think you think you guys are going to be good at doing it you know uh you guys have

great personalities you're smart um but you don't know until you see it and i wasn't sure in that kind of a an arena uh i think he just blew me away i was yeah he's freaking good it's like Kyle, if you work hard and take this seriously, you could do this forever. Yeah. Hey, listen, when I got into it, you know, this is our 29th season. I had no way of knowing or thinking that it would be 29 years. And I think Kyle, if he takes care of himself, and I always said, if you take care yourself physically and you do your job and do you work.

And I think, you know, I think being on your show with you, it starts his week off. And, you know, he wants to look at things that he probably wouldn't have looked at. Right. A year ago. He wants to look at game film. He wants to look at the, you know, the games and stay on top of everything and not just be a soundbite. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's hard to do. I mean, it really is around the clock. And I think he's great at it, man. I think he could do this for a long time, as you put it. Was there ever... You two guys are both great. Well, I like to be right here. I like to be right here, Dad.

Were you a friend to me, Howie? Or just... Is Matt in the room? No, that's funny. No. That's funny. Was there ever a time in your career where you were really fucking down about football? You know, in your pro career where you were like, hey, I can't take this shit anymore.

Maybe 51 to 3 with a shattered hand. Landing gears frozen. But at that point, he's a great player. No, that wasn't it. I could always kind of compartmentalize, you know, I moved on from the bad, but I never forgot it. Right. And I used it as my whole thing was, I'm going to go to work and I'm going to do everything 10 times harder. I'm going to do 20 times more reps.

I'm going to stay after practice. I'm going to be for practice. I'm going to watch more film. And in those days, I was taking home a reel-to-reel projector and taping a sheet on the wall. And poor mom, I mean, I'm doing the cut-ups of film. And, you know, now everything's on an iPad. And you have, you know, cut-ups and breakdowns of inside runs,

third-down, short-yardage, goal-line, you know, offense coming out, two-minute drill. Low moment for me at the end, towards the end, when you get to surgery eight, and the realization that what I have to do to try to be, I always kind of said if I'm, I couldn't be average. I didn't want to be average.

I didn't want to be a good player. I want to be a great player. And, you know, going out at the Pro Bowl my last year, I was beat up and, you know, was shot up a number of times that year. And, you know, ended up being a shoulder that, you know, needed to be replaced. I remember I went to University of Virginia 20 years ago

and they told me, yeah, this needs to be replaced. And I kind of put it off, put it off, put it off, and it changed my life, getting it replaced. and, you know, the pain you're in all the time and trying to be great. And anything short of that to me, and not just on Sunday, but I needed to be great in those days on Wednesday and Thursday because Wednesday and Thursday practice was practice. You know, live inside run, pass rush, goal line, short yardage, the whole thing.

And you had to be great all the time. And I wasn't sure where we were going as a team. And, you know, Chris was eight when I retired. Kyle was four and Howie was three. And, you know, as I said to Chris, and Chris is so much more present at home with Whalen and Luke. I mean, I'm listening to him trying to get them in the shower and, you know, taking the time to listen to Whalen who's, you know, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, you know, and you've got to take the time to listen to him. and it's important. And I was there, but in a way I wasn't.

I was present, but I wasn't because, you know, I played 13 years and never had a dollar guaranteed. And, you know, the weight of that on your shoulders to take care of your family is really an enormous weight to carry. And I didn't know where we were going. We sold our house in California. We packed it up. We moved to Charlottesville, Virginia,

and a house that was vacant, I think, for eight, nine years and was shot. And we had one bathroom that worked, and we didn't have a kitchen. And it was an adventure. And it was the best move we've ever made. And I'd like to think I was far more present post-football than during football. question, but it's also really hard to be present during football. I mean, like, I wasn't living check to check or, you know, I, I had more of a safety net than you based upon kind of the way. But you got to be great. But you want to be as good as you can be, you know, and I think that's

the thing that takes you away from, and it sounds fucked up to say, but it does take you away from, you know, what's going on at home, you know, and probably one of the reasons why I waited to have kids, because I just know hearing you talk about it, you know, it's tough. to be present when you're not in the building. It's hard to be present in the off season. You know, like July comes around and you watch it for years. Like you and me, we'd be in Montana or whatever, and, you know, like dark cloud over your head.

Like mid-June. It's just, it's, all right, everybody else is having a great time. Just enjoy your day. I can't. And no one, you really can't understand that unless you've been there. you really can't because you put so much pressure on yourself to be the best version of you you can be. You know, forget about the money.

I talk about the money and not being guaranteed. It was never about money. No, you want to be great. It was about respect. Yeah. And it was about wanting to be the best I could be. And, you know, I was in an organization where you know, everywhere you look was greatness around you.

Ron Wolfe, Al Davis, Freddie Blitnikov, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Ted Hendricks, Jim Motto is in the building. You know, it's like on and on and on. And these are guys that are their expectation is that you're, you're the next guy to carry the torch. And you've got to be that guy. So, yeah, I don't regret leaving when I did, you know,

there were, obviously, Mr. Davis felt I retired prematurely and wanted me to play more. And as it turns out, you know, you get the job at Fox. I had the ability to coach Little League baseball for eight years, coach football for, I think, eight, nine years. And John Blake was kind enough to have me over during the week. Hey, he got the job at Fork Union to be the athletic director. Did you hear about that? Yeah, he texted us.

I'm happy for him. John, John, you know, and that's what a coach, you think about people that have had impact in your life. And John is someone that, you know, impacted me and also had a great impact on all three of our boys. That's great. Closing the show out with a shout out to John Blake. Congratulations on moving over as the AD at Fort Union Military Academy. The alma mater, I guess you would say that, of Eddie George. and many others that you probably heard.

A bunch of players. Yeah, yeah. Marcus Hagan. Macon probably knows more of them. Yeah, so anyways, dad, thanks for the time. Enjoy Super Wildcard weekend. Oh, we can't let you leave without a Super Bowl prediction. Boy, boy, I thought it was, you know,

and I think the recent kind of injuries and some of the kind of struggled, you know, and I was talking to Joe McCoyd and Kathy back in Philly, it really puts it into perspective how magical and unique that run you guys made was. And I remember that NFC championship game. And I remember, you know, being stuck and not being able to drive to the hotel and walking 10 blocks through what looked like the purge in Philly. And, you know, it was such a magical time.

Getting there, you know, and it's what makes our game. unique. You know, hockey, basketball, baseball, it's best of five, best of seven. It's one game. It's one week. If you're off one day. And, you know, I thought it was going to be Philly and it, you know, hopefully it still can be in Jalen's help. Tell people why you really wanted to be Philly. To get home for two weeks to see the grandkids. Exactly. Yeah. You know, it's been a long, it's been a long season and I'm watching these kids kind of grow before our eyes. And, you know, You know, your mom and I are sad. Yeah.

But, you know, for Philly, it's, it's tough to get there. And I'd like to see them get there. And I think San Francisco is probably, I look at San Francisco, they get Mitchell back, they get Debo back, you know, Purdy has been a revelation. And I think they knew kind of what they had early in camp. And the defense plays, they play at a speed and intensity that I think is hard to sustain over the course of the season. They had the stumble versus, you know, Kansas City.

And, you know, that game was a butt kicking. And, you know, the great thing I like about them is they own it. They move on and they went on another run. And the Raider game kind of woke them up a little bit again. I think if I had to pick, I think San Francisco is probably, if you're, if you're being honest. If you're being honest, they're playing the best right now. And they're one of the best. the best right now.

That's two teams in the SAC. I'm partial because Kyle played there. And I like Andy Reed. And I think Patrick Mahomes is amazing. If they can get to that championship game and, you know, and if it's Buffalo, I think they play in a neutral site. That'll be interesting to see how that plays out. But I think I would say Kansas City and San Francisco in a rematch.

Oh, red on red. all right well that's a good call what do you think Chris well I kind of feel the same way about Philly in San Francisco as you do and I would say

out of the AFC the Bengals yeah I really like the Bengals man I just like how complete they are I just love it and especially on defense like it's not a bunch of superstars they're ball aware they're fucking

they get after the run game like the guys in the back Oh, at a roomo. And a roomo, yeah, the guys in the back end, they fly downhill. DJ Reader's awesome, the whole thing. And yeah, how can you not love Joe Burrow? Who's playing, the playoffs to me is about high pressure situations, big conversions. You know, who's going to make the play at the sticks?

They got those guys, man, and they got the quarterback. And they just got there last year. They know how to do it. They know how to do it. And last year, they got hot, they stayed hot. So I don't know. But here's the issue. The right guard, the right tackle go down.

Kappa could be back, but Kappa hasn't played that well this year. The right tackle is a concern for me. Yeah. It's a concern. Not because he's been great in pass pro or anything, but just because it's a damn tackle. Defense a player of the year. I got Bosa.

And I got Chris Jones number two. All vibes. That's interesting. I go Miles Garrett number two. Nobody watches, but the guy's like, you know, that's true. You know, if he was on a good team this year, he's probably he's a guy you take for granted you take him for granted no question all right yeah i so there's a lot this is a great time of the year it's yeah i'm psyched i'm psyched dad i'll see you soon buddy

love you love you man okay did you love you love you love you how hey no no no no i love you see no i love you no no no he's gonna make it awkward dad if you don't no we he and i love each other That's good. Hey, we're like day six guys. He called Marcus Allen from the Rolodex. When we were younger, he snuck into your office and found Marcus Allen's number, Marcus Allen's number in the Rolodex and called him. Just wanted to tell you.

Marcus said anytime you want him on. Okay, good. That's good. How about during the playoffs? Perfect. All right. All right. I'll tell you what.

That guy right there, tough, tough, tough. maybe the most complete player ever played with. Oh, wow. Wow. I mean, there wasn't anything he could do. You remember he played high school quarterback. You look at his passing attempts and, you know, some of the throws he made, amazing, great chip blocker, great blitz pickup guy. And he was Bo Jackson's fullback in that legendary run at the kingdom.

Oh, wow, yeah, that's true. You don't even notice that. That's true. Who the pullback is. Yeah. Wow. Do it all. I'll leave you with that.

Okay, ma'am. I love you. Thanks. We love you. Okay. See you. See you, buddy.