Green Light with Chris Long - Jacksonville Jaguars Are Legit & Joe Flacco Becomes A Cincinnati Bengal

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Monday Night Football in Jacksonville was a wild one. Trevor Lawrence leading a game winning drive and holding off Patrick Mahomes - who would have thought?! The Jacksonville Jaguars defense is as advertised, with Devin Lloyd playing for a new contract. Chris and Dr. Fax break down the MNF action, where the Kansas City Chiefs will go from here as well as the Joe Flacco trade, Jerry Jones' antics and a wild rumor about the Miami Dolphins head coaching gig! (00:00) MNF: Jacksonville Jaguars (08:09) MNF: Kansas City Chiefs (19:32) NFL Trades (31:40) Jerry Jones (35:48) Miami Dolphins New Head Coach?! Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Fax, this is your moment. Said it once, I'll say it again. The AFC South runs through Jacksonville. I know the Colts, they're having an amazing run, but my Jags, bro, you watch all these games. We're 4 and 1, and honestly, we can be 0 and 5. Like, to be honest with you, we can really be 0 in 5.

some of these games, I feel like our opponents didn't take advantage of a lot of mistakes that we made that they probably should have. That would have been different outcomes in the game. And last night, Monday night football against the Kansas City Chiefs, it was no different. Dude, sobering, sobering take from you. No, like, it's just that, like, that's why I'm even more excited and why I want to talk more trash is just knowing that we haven't, even scratched our potential yet, bro. Like, we haven't scratched our potential. To start the game last night, Trevor Lawrence runs over the line of scrimmage and throws

the ball. Like, bro, if that's not an indication that it's like we don't have everything together, like to start a game like that, I was just like, oh, my goodness. Nate, I got to say, though, and hey, before I get into anything on the game, hand up, I told you, I was like, hey, I'm betting the Chiefs. I had a minus three. I had him in a teaser. Thank the Lord.

Had Mahomes rushing touchdown anytime had Kelsey first touchdown. Asterix. But we'll take it. Chiefs, even with the couple calls that they got, they made so many mistakes. I mean, they, you know, like, the Chiefs are, the Chiefs are making the mistakes that you're kind of pinning on the Jags that are just like little mindless stuff. Mistakes and missed and missed opportunities because the past that Trevor Lawrence had to Tim Patrick, where he tipped it up in the air. And two Kansas City Chiefs guys had had an interception dead to rights and they didn't get it.

And honestly, that was the game was 14 nothing right then. That would have changed. That would have changed the trajectory of the game. So it's just one of those things that I don't know, like it goes around and I don't know if the luck bug is in Jackson. for our team this year with certain situations that are happening, but I'm enjoying it. I don't want to call it. I don't want to call the team lucky, though, because I do think the team looks good. Yeah. I think the team looks good for this team, and we talked about it before the season, and I, you know, I'm a known, I don't want to say Trevor Hater, but I'm a known Trevor, like,

hey, he's got to prove it to me. Yeah. I think it's a pretty reasonable take. Um, I was wrong about this team. You know, I'll say that for the third time this season. They really, Liam Cohen's a hell of a coach. And, you know, I think, who did I see? Bucky Brooks tweeted this thing today. And I had said it yesterday on the show. And that's why I love Bucky Brooks. He's a smart football guy. But like 85, he was talking about Devin Lloyd. 85% of the players in this league are system players or guys that are dependent upon the context of the team they're on, the system that they play in. Is it the right fit? Is it the wrong fit? And I think there were a ton of those guys on this roster and somebody like me failed to see that a Liam Cohen could turn this thing

around so quickly. They kind of, they were wearing the reputation of a team that was as bad as any team in football since December of 2023 tied with, I believe, Tennessee and Carolina for worse record. And I think it gets lost in the shelf a little bit. And Jags fans have pointed this out to me, is that they lost a lot of close games last year. And now they're winning them. And I think when you look at the fact now they have a you know an offensive line that's functional they have a run game that's a weapon um and obviously Trevor Lawrence although sometimes he picks his boogers and throws the ball past the line of scrimmage and and does all types of like confounding shit he had a signature moment last night dude like that was to be able to make that throw on the right side line

which is probably one of the most improbable throws of the young season the throw to do Diombe Brown in the red zone. The quintessentially Trevor Lawrence way to score a dramatic game-winning touchdown. But wait, even before the throw, him taking a sack with a minute to go in the game. Him taking us right before that throw. It's just like, bro, you're running to the sideline. Flip that ball out of bounds, bro. Like, just don't take a sack.

Like, don't take a sack right now. I'm glad you're doing this, not me. No, I'm just saying it's just the emotions because you see that throw by him at the end of the game and you're just like, you're like, Trev, like what's going on? Like, you don't have to only do this when the game is on the line and it's about to be out of reach or whatever it is. Like, we want to see that all the time. And I said it before is just that the Jaguars right now, like their mistakes and some of their mishaps. I feel like they're just happening at the wrong times for them, like, where it's just like, it's like this, this, this is, you can overcome this, but like, don't do this right now.

And I just feel like we have too much of that right now. And too many pre-snap penalties, Trevor, the, we're good in his cadence. We're good. And freaking get delay a penalty game. I mean, the delay of game penalties is so funny to me. And it's just like, I don't know what they need to do in that aspect of the game of getting the call in quicker or he doesn't need to huddle or whatever it is. But they need to work that out before it becomes a problem. Listen, that's going to be the thing that like this is a playoff football team.

They look like a playoff football team. They're walking like one. They're playing like one. The defense is really, really, really opportunity. which can which can make you along win the NFL there are certain people to think what comes up must come down there's turnover luck that sort of thing but they made their own luck last night the guy that i was talking about in devon lloyd being the quintessential example of a guy that is going to play better not just that is the year that you know he's got to go out and ball out so

can get that big new contract he looks sweeten that number zero he does look he looks lighter he looks like he's in better shape he looks quicker um but like those are the guys that that you need to step up around Trevor Lawrence while him and Liam are getting on the same pace throughout the year. Him and the receivers are getting on the same pace throughout the year. You know, it's going to be a project with this guy. There was a lot to clean up. But when he does things like he does at the end of the game last night, you think, all right, we'll take it, man. Because the reason you pay a guy like that and the reason you keep a guy around like that is the top end talent. It's not how high the floor is.

otherwise he wouldn't he wouldn't be the guy they're hitching their wagon to it's about being able to to make those throws now can we make every other down look really efficient and can we play with the structure of the offense and make split second decisions that in the past he's selected like the worst of three options in a lot of situations let's let's make those things go last night was a big step in the right direction and Travis hunter dude I know that he had the big ball the ball that he came back to in the middle of field that was great and everything His first catch, getting that catch and making those guys move, like, miss and getting up the field for that first down. To set up a field, no, but to set up a field goal on third down, on third and long,

when they're in, on like the 40-yard line or 45-yard line, and he catches a ball and makes a couple guys miss, that's 24-21. That defines the rest of the game, just getting points in that situation. So there's a lot that Jaggs should be excited about. And I think the biggest thing is, The Kansas City Chiefs, who, and we're about to turn to discussing them, are, in my opinion, going to look scary offensively by the end of the year. Oh, yeah. Looks very good last night. They were up 14-0 on you.

I didn't like the calls. Okay, I'm with everybody. Yeah. Now, the one thing on the call down at the goal line is, you know, I looked at it on sideline on all 22, and it was within one yard. The contact happened at one yard. Now, was it an obvious pick? Like, that's kind of the game you got to play.

Like, I don't, I think there's too much cloudiness around that rule. It's almost like they need to take a look at how they can make it a little bit clear. And look for me, even being a fan, like other Jags, my issue is, if you're not going to throw the flag, like, don't throw the flag. Don't throw the flag. And then a bunch of guys from the Kansas City Chiefs running to you with one finger up saying the one-yard rule, It's one yard rule, one yard rule, and make that change your mind. Like I, and I don't know. And I say it all the time, it's really the independent contractor that when you're watching

the game and you hear them say that, hey, this is a wrong call. It just eats me up. And I just feel like it's hard to watch a game when you hear that. Like, hey, like, how are they allowing a call to go on if this guy is telling me that it's wrong? But yeah, I feel like it's a bang, bang play. and Kansas City, they're a team. I feel like Andy Reid, like they're going to use stuff like that. And hopefully they'll just get it right and we don't have to deal with it again.

Yeah, the thing that I think y'all should be most excited about, though, is that the fact that Kansas City Chiefs who looked really good offensively last night were up 14 and nothing on you and you found a way to get back in that game and win. That's not something the Chiefs do a lot, which is blow a lead like that. And, you know, the run game was not a. an issue for them last night. They ran the ball well. You know, Kareem Hunt ran the ball well. They, you know, they bit off a couple chunks with, with Isaiah, Pacheco. And so like being in that situation, you think most teams would be dead to right. You guys found a way to climb back

into it. I think that's when we look at the chiefs right now, my assessment of that team is the offense will be, and I've been saying this for a couple weeks now. So it's not like I'm just coaching on the result here. When they get Rice back with the addition of the young tackle, with the addition of toys like number 24, the rookie, who they're

going to use, that guy's a fucking weapon. Okay, Xavier Worthy coming back in the lineup, stretching the field, forcing teams into more too high, allowing you to run the ball, getting involved in the screen game, opens the whole field up. They will look as good or better than they've looked

over the past three years. Yeah. Before this is all said and done. The place that I worry about them, the kicking game, he's becoming an issue for this team, not akin to what happened with Justin Tucker. Obviously, Justin Tucker had other issues. Yeah. But, you know, as far as his performance is concerned, when a kicker goes, he kind of like, it just happens. Like, and all of a sudden, you're like, what the fuck, this guy forgot how to kick the ball. He's missed a ton of important kicks this year. And none may be more important than the kick that he kicked. out of bounds last night.

Give the Jaguars the ball at the 40-yard line with a minute and a half to go. And it's kicks like that in situations like this where maybe I wasn't that much of a fan of the new kickoff rule, but the fact that seeing that some kickers really, like, I feel like the kickoff, the way it is now, as a professional kicker, I don't feel like it should be an issue for you that you're kicking the ball out of bounds. and the fact that it's popping up all over the league, and it's now becoming like a real crucial part of the game. And last night we've seen it, like that ball being placed on the 40,

like probably won us the game, honestly. Like it definitely helped. It definitely helped for sure, for sure. Because if you kick it out of the end zone, like, it goes to the 30. Like that 10 yards is big right there. If you kick it out of the end zone, it goes to 35. 35, if it hits in the landing zone and dribbles in the end of this is 20.

So like either of those outcomes, I mean, that's a big 10 yards. You know, like at the end of the game, all that stuff counts. And just the, I don't know, man, week one against the charges, he, third quarter chief score to make it a 13, 12 charges game can't tie it up because of the PAT. Then they got to go for two later in the game. You know, they fail the attempt. It's a nine point game. It's a two possession game in the fourth, you know, and the charges respond with the

touchdown drive week two against the eagles uh first quarter bucker misses a field goal wide right um score zero zero chiefs lose this game by three week three the giants you know chiefs win that game 22 to nine but second quarter bucker misses a field goal wide right uh keeping the score six nothing chiefs quarter four uh bucker misses an extra point wide left for a change this must have been tough for him to miss wide left and then and then week four against the ravens where you know he misses another field goal week five you get you know the bad kickoff which is a killer so i don't know man maybe i'm holding him to too high of a standard he was one of the best kickers in in the in the league and over the last couple of years it's that in the defense man and listen i know there's some guys in

the secondary that like spags is a guy throughout the season that's going to find his best combination and the whole thing, but those guys are going to be under a lot of stress if they can't generate a pass rush. Okay. And I know Spags can generate that through bringing pressure, but that's not going to work every week. It's not going to work in every situation. And right now, their best player by far on that defense is Chris Jones, as it has been the last couple years, right? Trent McDuffie's a total stud too.

But, like, as far as the front's concern, they go as far as he goes. They move him around. They line him up over different spots. and I got to say like the defensive performance is one thing. They can work to fix that. And you know where I'm going, Nate, Coach Nate. 20-something seconds to go in the game.

First and goal, you know, I don't know if the directive was to let him score, but that goes out the window when you're, when Trevor Lawrence's knee hits the ground. And people are rallying to tackle him. I timed it. He's standing in the middle of the field. I think it took him like three seconds to get to,

to get to the end of. zone from where he kind of gathered himself and stood up. You're going to tell me Chris Jones can't run that distance and put a hat on him? That's the hard thing is Chris Jones is the defense, but they have to, he has to be, you know, a standard bear dude. And in that moment, that's, I don't want to be hyperbolic, but that's one of the worst loaves I've seen with the game online. And here's the worst thing, like Trevor's first touchdown, he had a terrible loaf too.

like he's getting blocked but like he has a situation where Trevor does a flyby and they if you slow it down they literally clap hands like he just does one of the like I'm gonna reach my hand out and him and Trevor Lawrence is offhand they literally touch this is in the this is Trevor Lawrence's first Russian touchdown I think it's for about 13 yard scramble or whatever it is and even then I was just like that that's a bad loaf I was like that that just looks bad and I feel like every football player if you play football long enough. We've all loved. Yeah.

Who gets credit for this, for this, for this quote, but fatigue makes cowards out of all of us. And it's just one of those things. Like I know how it feels to be dog shit tired. But it's, you have to make a choice. You have to make a choice whether it's those situation. And like, we all got on Anthony, Anthony Richardson for this. But like, yo, like come out of the game. Like, yeah, like you don't want to be that guy to come out of the game.

Um, or, or you need to, um, you need to get in better shape. I don't know. It's not, bro, it's not. He's in plenty of good shape. That's what I'm saying. Okay. It's not, it's not, hey, he can't tap his helmet. The fucking games on the line. Yeah, you just got to suck it up. You're the best player, dude. Yeah, you're, you're the whole defense, dude. Like, I don't know if you looked around and noticed, but the other guys with all due respect are mostly just good solid players. Yeah. You're the all world guy, dude. And so, you're, you're, you're, you're the whole world guy, dude. And so, So, you know, functionally, you're the last line of defense in that situation.

But symbolically, man, like, you're the fucking team, dude. You got to be a leader. And I think they had a situation at the beginning of the year where one of the linebackers is getting on him in the game. And they're kind of going back and forth at the end of the game. That to me was a different thing. That was the Chargers play. Yeah.

Was it not? And it's just one of those things where we're not the only ones that see it. And if you're in that defensive room, me as a best, Back, me as a guy that was a career backup, third, third string fringe guy. I know if I was playing behind Chris Jones, I would be looking up to him and being like, this guy's great, whatever. But at the same token, if I'm in that D-Line room and I want a chance to play, yeah, that's the best guy in our D-line.

But as a, as a teammate and a player, you're just like, hey, coach, like, you guys aren't going to say anything about this? Like, you're not going to coach this up. Like, I know he's our best guy. I'm sure it's being coached up. And that's why I said fly on the wall is like, you don't have a choice. I'm sure a D-line coach might be like, I prefer not to chew Chris Jones out because I don't want to get like Chris Jones might pull the, you know, Chris Jones card on me.

No. And, and, you know, obviously, like, he's got so much leverage because he's their best player. And like, they literally can't win without him. Defensively, they don't have enough special players. And so my assessment of this group is by the end of the season, the choice, the choice. Chiefs, not even that long, just wait a couple weeks. They're going to be fun to fucking watch offensively. They were fun to watch offensively last night.

Oh, I think the defense is going to have to hold up there into the bargain, which was my concern about this team going into the season. You know, we just saw somebody make a trade for a pass rusher in division there. I don't know that Kansas City has the capital or the cap space that they want to part ways with to make any big move. So it's going to be us, guys. Like if I'm spags, I'm saying, hey, lock the fucking doors. It's going to be us.

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if that bet loses you receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets when using bonus code greenlight at signup, then get access to second chance promos, odds boost tokens, same game parlays, bet MGM, original bets and so much more. Bet MGM, make it legendary. Dude, I'm so excited about the Joe Flacco thing. You called it, man. Well, I called it, and that's not some crazy take, right? Yeah.

You put two and two together the minute Joe Burrow gets hurt, and you look around the league and say, where are the shitty teams and where are the guys that are serviceable back there. As bad as he played in Cleveland this year, what have we learned over and over again? Context matters. Situations matter. I know the offensive line might be worse in Cincinnati.

I know that Joe Flacco's taking his life into his hands, and this is borderline elderly abuse. But the fucking NFL needs people watching Bengals games. Yeah. Fantasy owners need. fantasy owners need Jemar Chase to get touches. All right. My son needs Jemar Chase to get his touches.

And most importantly, I like watching the Bengals. And when you look at that division where the Ravens are still favored to win it, why the fuck not? This is the first sign of life I have seen from the Cincinnati Bengals since Joe Burrow got hurt. Just try something, guys. Bro. I don't care if it, I don't care if it doesn't work. I don't, but I want to watch the games and think that it,

team that paid their superstars and are playing in a division that is there for the taking, at least tried. Hey, Joe Flackle doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't give you a little bit of, a little bit of hope that you could just, you could just, you could just drop the green light and just decide to go back for a few more years, jump out of retirement and hop around be a chairman. No, bro, I'm not going back and tearing my Achilles. The third playing getting cooked on Twitter, like people being like, That looked like the stiffest, dustiest rubber band snapping in that guy's sock.

They had me in slow motion falling like an 86-year-old man. I actually thought about that the other day, if I went back to play, like, what if the first play, I threw a long arm into some guy's chest? And he was like, you're old, bro. He's just anchoring on my, that's how it would probably go. You know what I'm saying? No, and honestly, that's my fear is just like, seeing this Bengals offense and seeing what happened, just happened to Joe Burrell, it's just.

just like how can I be positive that by you guys going to get Joe Flacco, who's less mobile than Joe Burrow, that he's going to be. Dude, he's going to get killed. But in the process. But that's what I'm saying. Like older guys, like they get up off the ground. It takes them a longer time to get up off the ground. And I just wonder how much more of that Joe Flackos has in them.

I think his, I think his journey is amazing. I think he definitely still has spark and magic. And just like you said, if anyone, Jamar Chase is going to be happy, at least for this week, for just the unknown of just thinking about, hey, exactly. Like I got someone who,

just give me a chance. Yep, yep. Give us a chance. You know what Joe Flacco does? He checks the ball down. Yeah. So great. So we're going to throw,

we're going to give some check, checkdowns to Chase Brown. and we'll see what happens dude i i just want a reason without joe flacco on this team i won't even have this team on a side tv now they're like on tv two or three at least this week to see if there's something going on now who they play this week i don't even know they play the packers fuck catch you get 14 and a half points on the road um yeah maybe they won't put them out here out there this week no they have to i don't know man maybe they just concede this week and so so oh you know what you want to a different angle sure different angle that people probably

like don't want to hear another reason why i'm happy about this trade yeah one step closer to shador oh yeah it is it is like it is and i cannot one way or another we're gonna find out we're Get to find out. And all the conjecture can stop. What new quarterback comes in? If that new quarterback comes in and they're just like, he's number two, like everyone's going to know that something's up in Cleveland, right? At that point, I would think they were just trolling people.

Okay. But that's what I'm excited about is just the next week with that, the depth chart, if it moves, if they even be funny with it, because you know, that's the next thing for them now. It's just like, oh, he's out the picture. They're the only team that drafted the guy and they can't do anything right. You hear what I'm saying?

No, yes. They can't do right in anybody's eyes. They're the only team that drafted him. And the audacity of these two teams making a trade. The two worst teams decide to make a trade right now with two of the like questionable front offices. Cleveland picks up the phone. They're like misery loves company, right? Since he's like, we're not like you.

And you know what's crazy too? How long is that driving? Joe Flacco. They set the Uber for Joe Flacco, bro. How long is that drive? That's not very long. That's not very long. That's crazy, bro.

But hey, hey, I'm not going to lie. I've been saying that this whole year over and over, NFL is the best reality TV and just all the different angles and and subplots. And I love this for Joe Flacco. And honestly, at the very least, we got to get at least, least one 50-yard plus ball to Jamar Chase to to to to to to at least keep everyone excited in NFL this is the third indivision trade involving a quarterback this century Eagles trading

donovan McNabb to Washington and the Patriots trading drew bloods out of the bills and also if you want to talk about Joe Flacko's longevity bangles ring of honor member willie Anderson drafted by Cincinnati in 1996 blocked for Joe Flacco Willie Anderson legend hey is this Joe Flacko's ninth team. Did I see that? Nine. You know what number nine is? It's a number of completion. Huh? You didn't know that? The number of what? In numerology, in some spiritual traditions, nine is considered the number of completion because it's the final single digit number in the decimal system marking the end of a cycle before a new one can begin. It symbolizes endings, a sense of finality, and the culmination of efforts, but also carries the potential for a fresh start,

beginning. Wait. So are you saying that as a good thing or a bad thing? Like it's about to be either. Dude. This is the end, dude. This is the end. Joe.

If you count his college teams, this is Joe Flacco's ninth team, Pittsburgh, Delaware, and then the Ravens, Broncos, Jets, Eagles, Browns, Colts, and now the Bengals. Yeah, I counted two because I had Ravens, okay, I had Ravens, Broncos, Jets, Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, Jets. I counted the Jets twice. And the Browns twice. And the Browns twice. Yeah.

So never mind. Hey, count his college teams. That's nine right there. Nine teams for Joe Flacco. Number of completion. That's just some shit I heard somewhere. You know, here's the other thing I love about this year. And this is why I think teams are going to make a lot of trades.

Adam Schaefter said, hey, we're going to have a fuck ton of trades. That's what he said today. Anybody can win this thing, it feels like. I think this is the week. and it's no, it's no, um, coincidence that the two undefeated teams lost, but it feels like everybody's like, hey, my team could win this thing. I keep getting asked questions. Like I was on Rich Eisen today and Rich loves the, so Chris, are the, are the bang, you know, are the Jaguars, contenders, that kind of thing? And, um, I'm like, you know, my usual litmus test for my, my, my, the bar to clear to,

to become a contender is a lot more north of like what i'm looking at with a couple teams but you might as well make them contenders because it it seems to me like usually there's like an elite class of teams that's only a couple teams and then there's like the class just below them like the one bs it feels like there's a bunch of one bs this year a bunch of one bs and teams that i usually couldn't see making a run could make a real run um so one of those teams the chargers um made a move today as well they they go get away from the the ravens who obviously they they weren't going to pay him and um he's been productive he can rush the passer and he's been one one of the relative bright spots on that defense this year it is a little bit declarative of where they are um in baltimore you have have

no pass rush, you send off one of your very few pass rushers. What you do get back is Alohi Gilman, which probably means they're just going to reshuffle their secondary. And for the chargers, they feel like, hey, our safety depth is better than our edge depth. You know, that's one way to think about it, because they have dipped into their edge depth bag and they don't like what they have to, you know, what they see. They need some pass rush. They have young players that they can push along in the secondary and rushing coverage works together uh but as you can see without the rush the coverage doesn't look as good um so for me the move makes a lot of sense it also doesn't put so much pressure on tully um to be primarily an edge rusher you can move him inside you can move him

around um i think you add him to a group like this guy tart is a fucking player i can't remember if i shouted him out uh but he was one of the lone bright spots the other day They have some pieces up front. They just need their edge rushers. And when they get Mac back, whenever that is, now you're cooking a little bit. Make that late in the year push. But for the Ravens, you know,

it probably means moving Kyle Hamilton inside. And so it's kind of the inverse of what happened last year, where last year they wanted Kyle Hamilton to play more safety. But this is what they hope is the one big move that changes everything defensively. Or just realistically, they know where they're going and they're selling pieces. Selling pieces.

And then they also picked up C.J. Gardner, put him on the practice squad. Yeah. Might not see him for maybe a week or so if they like what they see. But that's going to be interesting to see if he can. He's a guy that, like I feel like the old Ravens defense, how they used to be in their attitude, he's maybe a guy that can fit in perfect there, maybe help change the culture back to what it was, that gritty, scared of Baltimore defense. right now is just even with all these moves they they got to put a product out on the field they

got to put something on tape where you you can you can respect it dude uh you know it's going to be so funny is c j garner johnson and gyer alexander interacting because jara alexander is one of the funniest people in the NFL i don't know if we talked about this yesterday but him grabbing the ball from from um you know the uh texans rookie yeah um nole after he saw that touchdown into the Ray Lewis dance and Gire Alexander, notably from Charlotte, was offended by it. And he's been there like a month, but he's like all about the Ravens way of life and went to get that football. And after the game, his sound bite was hilarious. So I would love to see what that relationship turns into, C.J. Garner Johnson and J.I. Alexander, two of the funniest people in the

NFL, in my opinion. Yeah, it's going to be great. CJ. I'm glad. glad CJ got back on the team hopefully hopefully he'll stick here for a little bit all right so other pieces and news around the NFL just a little grab bag of bullshit um jerry Jones he was he was fined you want to take guess at how much he was fine for flipping people the bird seven thousand dollars or they hit him they hit a little higher oh 15k a little higher 27k it's a weird number to come up with probably higher 35k you're gonna keep going they hit them for 50k oh they hit them for more than that a hundred bands go up a half a million dollars go down a quartermill that's right they hit them for 250k

yeah but that's nothing to jerry jones man no fuck that wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait he got a hell of a deal because this is the same number that bud adams was fine for for a very similar interaction in uh 2009 fucking inflation exactly so it's just counter detrimental like like is you can give the finger but if he cussed the fans out like would that be the same fine that's that's my thing dude because this should not be Isn't the middle finger just a sign language for fuck you? Like, or no. Yo, I'm with you, bro.

The middle finger to me should be like with how crude our society is today. Yeah. Like, why are we worried about the middle finger? I don't know. And I mean, you- Why is that like a, why is that sacred cow? How much, how much, how much are the, the, the, the fake brandish of firearm finds? Like, I mean, do you think?

like a middle finger is worse. I'm like, peepoo, peepoo. I'm fake shooting you. I'm fake fucking you. Like what's worse? I'd rather be fucked a shot. You know? Yeah.

It makes no sense. It's just funny, bro. Like, I just feel like the. What if Jerry Jones pulled out the invisible strap? Yeah. Well, the one thing that's good about the fines. The one thing that's good about the fines that people might not know is that all the fine money supposedly goes to.

charity somewhere so someone's charity's about to get a huge check because jerry jones gave a fan the finger dude the the middle finger is just way way over well he tried to he tried to say he was doing a thumbs up to his fans i guess that's the funniest thing that that tongue-in-cheek justification is hilarious that's like uh i think this quarter million uh dollars is a total fucking joke you know what's funny you know what's funny about the middle finger I always thought about this so if I was playing like what if what if just aggressively like after plays I just throw up I just throw a different finger but you just do it aggressively enough you know they're still gonna find you they're

still gonna find you like but it's just like what are you gonna say if I just go like this to you or like ha huh oh I don't know you're not gonna say anything dude I wonder if people look, no, he meant to give you the finger, so it doesn't matter. Or if you're a person, that used to happen. You've probably done this before. You ever had to buddy tape your fingers together? Yeah, I had to buddy tape my fingers.

So if you go like this. Does it count if you do this? Exactly. I just wonder, it's just the middle finger just being offended by it, if you really think about it, it's just, it's just funny together. Oh, it's hilarious. It's just all funny. Middle finger is just total, yeah, it's like so 1990.

bro, who cares about the middle finger? Because we have graduated. We have graduated so far. What if the middle finger was a thumbs up? What if thumbs up was offensive? Like, what if that was the offensive thing? Hey, well, if San Anas were pots and pans, what'd you sound mean?

The world would be a kitchen. Yeah, so, all right. And then the last thing is this. Very interesting tweet I saw it today. Rex Ryan has been speculated to be a possibility if Stephen Ross fires Mike McDaniel. Ross is expected to pursue someone in the mold of a Dan Campbell, a disciplinarian with previous head coaching experience.

Huh. I could have swore. Maybe they should call the defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings see what he's up to. This fucking franchise is unbelievable. It's unbelievable. You didn't like the guy because he was too mean to the guys that you're being mean to now.

You see, like, you see what I'm saying? he was too mean to the players that I hate now and now I'm being mean to them online I just hey time capsule some of the fucking takes from from a couple years ago this is this is hilarious this is like um this is like an onion article honestly I was like wait do you mean like Brian Flores it's also hilarious because owners tend to

go in the complete opposite direction when they make a change of head coach like if they were offense before they go defense if they went with a younger guy they'll go old the next time around i don't know if i can think of more of an antithesis for yeah basically they just called mike mcdaniel and wait and let me ask this is let me ask this is is rex ryan like like known for like being like a disciplinarian yeah dude i think so yeah is he yeah well he's known for being a fucking hard ass yeah like an old school coach emblematic the only thing i have cussing ass kicking yeah fucking toe sucking demon dude but he'll give you a reward he'll give you that snack reward when you want yep snack eating demon let's go get a snack i was just about to say the only

sample size i have from him is is hard knocks that season you know who could use some um quarterback of the future in my opinion the miami dolphins And you know who they should go get? Shador Sanders. And with Rex Ryan. How great would that be? The NFL, the storylines, the just never ending. How great would that be?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, some other trades are probably coming up. We're going to talk about maybe some of those on Thursday. But the Jags might have to start looking, man. We didn't even say that before. Brendan Strange getting hurt is big deal for us. That's a big deal.

It's a big deal. He's one of Trevor's, like, security blankets, and he's just really good. We're going to need him up the seams, and hopefully the I are, like, he'll get healthy, and he'll be a guy hit the, hit the ground running when he gets back. Bro, how fortunate was it for Trevor Lawrence that he didn't put whatever he was digging for in his mouth? No, I think it would have been greater, bro. I think it would have been greater.

The way the game ended, like, the way the game ended, like, if he had lost, if he would have lost, It would have been absolutely like, it would have been nuts. But the fact that they caught him on camera picking his nose before they won that game, the way he won that game, like I literally was yelling on the live stream I did. He scored that touchdown with boogers on his hand, bro. Like, it was immediately after. And it's just the fact that your franchise quarterback is sitting on the bench picking his nose before the biggest drive of the game was just comical to me.

But it's incredible. With the internet nowadays, if we'd have lost that game, it would have just been, it had been one of those things that that'll make you not want to go on social media for a few weeks. If somebody touches Trevor Lawrence down and the game ends a play later because of time or something like that, they're skewering the guy and putting up booger meme.

dude everything and it just that sports that's what's so fucking hard about this occupation is like you asking us to tell you who's going to win a game i don't know is Trevor lorris going to get back up when he falls on his face in the red zone with 25 seconds ago is chris jones going to loaf are the refs going to the rest going to blow that are the rest is going to blow the jags yeah there's no way fuck dude you got to I mean, you got a better chance of winning the lottery than gambling on football sometimes. And I think that's why some people are kind of pissed at the reps right now. Man, exactly.

And I just can't imagine. I just think about it in a business aspect. And if you run a casino or you're a bookie with a book or whatever it is, it's just how do you explain this? How do you, what is it, damage control this? Because it's just one of those things where, like I said, I think it's more hearing on the while you're watching the game, them telling you that they got it wrong.

So if you're a person that is a casual better, you're just like, hey, like, if that affected my bet, it's like, give me my money back. I understand. And listen, there's a ton of calls that get missed every game that people don't see either. And that's the whole thing. but the NFL could probably be a little bit better officiating these games.

Because the camera angles, the shareability of the moment, the discussion online, the real-time analysis is outpaced an official's ability to make the right call. And, you know, if there's any time for robots taking over. But what are the people in New York doing? Like, they're so quick to get other calls in. It's just like a call like that. Like, I don't understand why it's not like, hey, hey, that was a PI. That was a PI.

That was a PI. That was a PI. I just, I don't get it and I just don't understand it because I feel like they have all these, these steps and regulations and different procedures for this stuff to get it right. By time this Thursday night game starts, unless there's a bad call, we'll forget about these other calls. Do you know anybody? No, this doesn't justify it, but do you know anybody that stopped watching the NFL that watched them? a lot. Have you ever met anybody that was like, yeah, you know what? I stopped watching. They missed a false start last week. Cost my team. No. I've met, but I've encountered a million

people who have threatened to do that, but they never follow through. Now, I've never met anybody that was like, yeah, I'm done. You know, that they kick landing in the landing zone the other night, so I'm going to stop watching. Take care.