Green Light with Chris Long - Jalen Rose! NBA Playoffs, Chris Webber, Best Celeb Ballers. Jeff Garlin! 'Curb', Cubs, Comedy & Working with Larry David.

Episode Date: May 21, 2021

(00:48) - Welcome, Layup Line, CenturyLink and Julio Jones Trade Rumors. (25:14) - Jalen Rose on the 2021 NBA Playoffs, Clearing the air with Chris Webber and Best Celebrity Basketball Players. (1:03:35) - Chris and Macon Rank 'Jalens'. (1:09:17) - Jeff Garlin on Curb and Larry David, Comedy and Meditation and Chicago Sports. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, Jeff, I'm the father of a four-month-old daughter, if you have any free stuff for her. Can I tell you something? Macon? Go fuck yourself. Jalen Rose, Jeff Garland. Jalen and Jeff. Going to talk about ice hockey, basketball, little football. Where else can you get it? Those two are going to talk about ice hockey? No, we're going to do that. But you know, you're going to have Jalen Rose and Jeff Garland separately on the same pot. I mean... Another banger.

if I can be candid with you. You can. That's why we do this pod so well. Monroe, Louisiana. You mother fuck. Hello. What's in Monroe, Louisiana, man? Besides Gatus.

Several things, including CenturyLink Incorporated. I don't know what the hell their name is. They've actually changed their name to Lumen. So we've got an issue. I've got a client with the problem. They were down telephone lines in the backyard. client was told they'd be buried. CenturyLink's trying to come through via

redacted and redacted to clear a bunch of trees. They don't have the right to clear. They're outside. They're stepping outside the easement, Chris, and they're going to put up new poles. Uh-uh, we're not standing for that. My client has a very specific set of skills, Chris,

and one of those skills is paying an attorney hundreds of dollars an hour to sue CenturyLink because they're not asking permission when they need to ask for permission. Yeah, and easement's an easement. But in that easement is permission needed to go and fuck with people. All right? That's what you're doing.

Burry the lines. The people will pay for it. Crying out loud. The trees are going to keep growing, keep falling, keep knocking down lines, keep disrupting service to your customers who maybe should go elsewhere. And maybe if it was my house, I would buy a giant fan and just continually blow on those trees until they just come down on the telephone poles. Well, and I would hate for my clients running chainsaw to fall into one of those poles.

I would hate for a drunken neighbor to just leave the road and obliterate one of your telephone poles. Yeah. God, that would be awful. I Googled CenturyLink, and you know, and they always go, like, people also ask. Questions were, why is CenturyLink so bad? how do I contact CenturyLink customer service? I see your clients also having that problem. Why is CenturyLink internet not working? Is CenturyLink any good?

Which is my favorite question. We'll answer that last one. Maybe we'll let you know. We actually, you tried to contact CenturyLink on Twitter.com. I feel like if you're CenturyLink and you can create internet, you could probably assassinate podcasts. So I'm a little bit concerned with what we've been recording at this juncture. I've heard from Jim at the CenturyLink Help Team.

He sent me back to a person I'd already talked to. Was not helpful, unfortunately. Oh, I talked to Jessica. I told her to listen to Greenlight Pod. Yeah, yeah, Jessica. I thanked Jim and Jessica, who are... Robots. Both manning the CenturyLink Help Team Twitter account.

Definitely real people. And they sent me to another robot who I've already been communicating with on behalf of this client. And we're not really getting very far. Still a chance for redemption for the folks that's CenturyLink. I will sing your praises. I will buy your products. But we've got a ways to go. Not to be clear. Okay. As a real estate professional, we were aware of the easement. We were given assurances by CenturyLink that the lines would be buried.

Yeah. And now they're going back on their word and creating havoc doing potentially irreparable harm to waterways and natural habitats, wildlife, etc. What do you think that does for the dirt? They don't even ask, I don't know, is there a groundhog down there somewhere? No, just pole in the ground. Right. How many fucking marsupials are they killing a year with these poles? I have been told there's a... I know a groundhog's not a marsupial if you haven't.

I know, I haven't to know there's a copperhead back there. Yeah. Where they're going to put the poles? Uh-huh. Oh, I heard there's a whole nest back there. Family. Copperheads with herpes. You ever heard of those?

and Twitter accounts. Hey, layup line. This was a Reed special today. Reed, what'd you go with? Release yo Delph by Method Man. I'm really glad you did that. You did that better than me. Whenever there's some like apostrophe

and there's like a shorthand way to say an English word on a song, like a slang word, I have a hard time saying that in my very like, you know, suburban dad voice. So, read, great choice. method man.

We were talking offline here about how he's probably got one of the top five voices in hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip hip to the hip hip hip hip to hop. I also hate saying the word hip hop because when you say hip hop you sound like a white guy with a record store that's trying to do like an interesting podcast. Can I say rapper rap? He's got one of the best rap voices of all time. And if you haven't seen the wire yet, he gets shot by Slim Charles late in the series and I say that because if you haven't seen the wire yet you deserve

it spoiled. Is Slim Charles a slim guy? Yeah but he's not one you want to tussle with. I feel like Slim's a good nickname for a big fellow. He's not slim dude. That's really almost the irony of the name. He's just a big fucking guy. He's tall. He's not like, you know, thick or fat or muscular. He's just a big fucking guy. And he busts a cap and Metham Man's ass at the end of the at the end of the series. And again, if you haven't seen it yet, I don't feel sorry for you. One time I ruined the wire in 2011 for Justin King, teammate of mine, Penn State, Corner. Great guy. Almost ruined our relationship.

I let him in on Omar's fate, which I'm not going to bring the whole fucking building down right now. I have seen this show. I just have a bad memory. Okay, it's been a great week in a lot of ways. A lot of ways it has been better than it started. the fucking the pod cheeks oh so i haven't listened felt fire well here's the problem you haven't listened and here's the thing that's fair i have to listen for my job uh and so by you know eight

nine o'clock if i've heard it and the process sucked we were both like there's nothing to talk about we don't have any guess fuck you sports fuck you prospective guests you know who you are the open but I hope you come back. I did think was an eight. Listen, your boy was not in a great mood as a result of the process and thus hated the pod. Didn't even post a link on Twitter for it. Notice that. Literally just said, hey, the pod might be out soon.

And then I was like, it's out. It's cheeks. And people were like, nah, it's pretty good. Ace, big shout out to Ace for building up our confidence. Ace, you might be the reason, Ace and Chico, of course, you might be the reason my week turned around. Yeah. I mean, that one little domino effect catapulted my mental into just, I feel like the guy in Limitless, which I'm never going to watch.

My Morning Jacket tour dates came out this week. MMJ is touring again? Okay, September, I think it's September 8th. There's going to be a back-to-back, Philly and then Queens. Of course, they play at that tennis stadium up there. I've seen them there twice. I've seen my morning jacket in Mexico, Red Rocks twice, seen them in Charlottesville.

The best concert you could ever wish to go to if you like good music. I'll just put it that way. And they're going to be touring all fall. So check out like Philly. I'm going to be there the eighth. Macon probably going to be there the eighth. Why is my, the calendar thing on my computer will not open. It has not opened all day.

It only wants me to force quit it. I don't want to force quit it. I want to open it. September 8th isn't that near the opening ball game of the NFL season don't care like that pot is going to be cheeks the next day because I'm going to be in Philly and then in Queens enjoying myself watching oh you're going back to back huh one of the best bands on this this earth well I was thinking of a different way to say it um yeah so that's out and then green sky bluegrass who reads a huge fan of and they just came out with what

But what's this called? The sessions, which sessions here? How many sessions? Leapier sessions. They just came out with volume three. Three, right? And I didn't even know one and two were out. So, like, it's rare that I get like a drop of new music in bulk that's been out for a month

to two. It just so happened. And Spotify was like, hey, dude, check this out. You like Green Sky. Check out the leapier sessions. Tremendous music. I go to play it for reading. I'm like, check this new music out.

He's like, yeah, it's volume three. I was like, oh, that sucks. music. They have live albums from their Courage of the Road tour in 2019. They have a wonderful cover of the Allman's Ain't Waste in Time No More. Reed, are you a, you're a tour, tour, tour, is that right? Oh, tour, tour, tour, tour, tour, tour, tour, tour, tour. Yeah, but how do you say tournament? Tour, tour, tour, tour, tour. Okay, my way. My wife, my lovely wife, tournament. I know.

Oh, please. It's maybe disqualifying. I don't know if you knew that before. Yeah, well, somebody should have stood up at the wedding and been like, yes, I have an objection. And I don't know that I'm an anti-tour guy. I'm just a tour guy. I'm definitely not a tournament guy. And I'm not a tournament either.

Oh, you don't like the NC. If we were doing a power rankings, if we were doing a power rankings of pronunciations, I'm going tournament, standard English. Tournament, Hooty Johnson, English, tournament, Southern New Jersey person English. Tunement, trying to be different. Yeah, I might put that at three. Okay.

Yeah, the pot was cheeks, thank you, Ace. It's been a good week. I even went out to watch my son, Whalen, play T-ball with her friend Bad Back-Back-Backie, who was heroically stepped up and substitute coached the team. I'm sitting on the sideline, Bad Back-Backy's coaching, Afterwards, we played the playground a little bit. I look down to see if the team with the black jerseys is playing every time

because that's the Elks. That's who I played Little League Baseball for. 26 years ago, I tried out for the Elks. And the same coach that drafted me, Chris Miller, is still there. There was a draft? Yeah, there's a draft, dude. So little kids are drafted last? Welcome to sports.

Welcome outside. Like 18 year olds, 19 year olds are right? The little kids? Welcome to sports. In the 1990s. I don't know if they do it anymore. I reckon, yeah, for kickball and stuff. It's also for fairness.

I mean, like everybody could just move. Like, people take Little League seriously. If they were districts, I mean. But there's no tape or combine. Are you just looking for the biggest kids and taking them? What if you're just going off recruiting? Then it's just the most charismatic coach. Maybe not the one who teaches the fundamentals best.

That's a real problem. How are they picking the kids? Go out there, do some Tom and Mansky shit. Oh, okay. You know, like shout out to Kenny Maine. But anyways, Chris Miller's been coaching there since the beginning. And I saw the team in the black jerseys down the hill. And I said, Whalen, we're going down there watching some baseball.

I want to see my coach. I hadn't seen them in like five years. Great catching up with my little league coach. And then, Yerman, mashing, more baseball news. Yermin Mercedes is mashing dongs. Just mashing dongs. And I got my boy, Tony Larusa, who used to be my guy in St. Louis still is. By that, I mean, I met him.

And he coached in the city that we played. I'm sure he watched a lot of our games. If he liked excellence, he got mad at Yerman for getting paid for feeding his family. Tony's not pro mashing a dong on a three-o count when it's coming at 47 miles an hour. I'm sorry. Don't put the guy in there who's torn fucking BP. No, of course, MASH, Dong. Mashed Dong.

Yes. And as you can see, I got the Yermen jersey on now. Nice. I got the, shout out to Bad Back Back, you sent me straight from the south side. I got a Yermyn jersey. I got a 73. I'm rocking it right now. I say that to say, this is the official podcast of Yermin Mercedes.

I got a Yermin Mercedes T-shirt sitting here. I got a Yermin Mercedes jersey. I watch your highlights. Come on our podcast first, man. Now Hunter Pence said that he thought you might be a Chicago White Sox sort of guy. Any sort of regrets here? Do you want to add a third team to your roster? They are 26 and 16.

Yeah, I mean, well, you ever heard of a menagerie tro? I have. That is a sex act in which there are three people. I'm doing a three-team menagerie twas, which if you count me, makes it a foursome. Okay. but I love three teams. At the top are the Phillies. That's my team, right?

And in the hole, on deck and in the hole, it's just like baseball. I got a team who's at bat, okay? I got a team that's on deck, and I got a team that's in the hole. I'm a purist. Okay, I got Phillies at bat. I got...

Yeah, who's on deck? The White Sox on deck. Oh, dear. And I got the Orioles in the hole, but for Whalen, the Orioles are hitting the baseball. baseball right now. They're taking cuts. So it's all good. We're already going to an Orioles game. There's no, there's my other favorite team, the blues are struggling. Okay, there's a lot of negative St. Louis news this week. Number one, the blues are getting trucked. Trucked right now in hockey. They're down two oh. So we we lit them a shrine. I got the Santa Morte candle is burning here. That's the holy death candle. Not what you think. Don't be afraid to die, guys. Okay, there's one candle. that's the message behind that candle that's true you don't don't fear failure

guys me like fuck it you're down you're playing with you're down oh two who thinks you're going to win this series ain't nobody you're playing with house money you want a cup in a spectacular fashion most fans most teams are fat and happy I'll admit it if you guys don't win this year I won't even be mad you've given me enough happiness for as a hockey fan a casual hockey fan 10 lifetimes okay that was awesome who gives the fuck go out there and just skate hit the puck hard run into people go crazy chaos man i also i also lit nosters signora de las appurisiones very nice our lady of apparitions and read what is the definition of an apparition an unusual or unexpected sight i'm hitting my vape pen right now to get

real ghostly in here an unusual or unexpected site might be somebody coming back from down 02. Might be. It might be the... Jordan Bennington saving a shot. Standing on his fucking head, dude. That's what he does. I know it's been...

Chill out, dude. Yeah, I'm just... He had some really spectacular moments in game one. Okay, so what I'm saying is don't fear death. Don't fear elimination. That's why we lit the holy death. And let's get ready for an apparitiones.

The altitude is tough for a team that is literally playing right by a river. and we know rivers are all like below sea level right just geology you're not used to this climate this habitat right we're gonna go back to st louis we'll tie this bitch up at scott trade and get going get skating series don't start until a home team loses the game you know so that's what they say right little sports and then jalen's coming on okay so we're just let's get to jalen but number one julio jones what destination do you like for and make as you know chris i like to call them Julio Jones.

Okay. For no reason whatsoever. Maybe the alliteration, I guess. I don't know. Let me tell you the story of a team that focused on receiver and free agency, focused on receiver in the draft, has a few good receivers. Maybe a good landing spot for Julio Jones. That's your New York Giants.

Well, I can tell you what. He can make a few of these teams better. But I saw some of these teams floated. Jacksonville, Denver, the Jets, the Bengals, the Colts, the Browns, the Chargers, the Pats, the Lions, the Niners. and Titans all have cap-spaced situations that are conducive to possibly making a trade for Julio Jones. My favorite is supporting a young quarterback.

I kind of like the Jacksonville idea. Is he going to want that, though? I'm not sure. I'm just talking from the standpoint of the teams trying to make the trade. I like the Chargers making this trade. You know, I really like the Chargers making this trade. And golly, just from a storyline standpoint,

and also for an experiment of like, hey, he's had Chad Johnson before he's had Randy Moss. Those have yielded different results, and that was with Tom Brady, but what does actually playing in New England do for a superstar wide receiver? Does it do anything? Is it actually a lateral or backwards move?

Probably, but everybody's gonna be glued to Julio in New England. I don't know if it's going to happen. And honestly, when it comes to the Falcons, I don't know what they're doing exactly. I would think like freeing up some cap space, that sort of thing, not hitting the reset button

because you still have Matt Ryan. But if you look at the Falcons, why have they sucked? What's let them down historically in the last five, seven years? Defense. And this is no disrespect to one of my favorite players in the league. Period.

Grady Jarrett. Period. an absolute dog, but he's been fighting alone in a lot of ways since they started getting hurt. But even, like on the back end and that sort of thing, but even when they were pretty good defensively, the Super Bowl, 28 to 3, like,

tough task, but now's the time with the clamps for all the marbles on Tom Brady. Couldn't do it. So my point is they've been fucking good offensively and they haven't been able to get over the hump. And they're definitely turning the wrong way. and they just fired a defensive head coach because their defense sucked.

So maybe you want to focus on the football team, not just throwing as many first rounders, elite players, you know, on the field at once on offense. Were the Baltimore Ravens on your list for Julio? That makes the most sense to me. I think fans would love that, but I don't know if they have the cap space. The team that's on the cusp

and they're trotting out Hollywood Brown, Sammy Watkins, Rashad Bateman, no disrespect, Well, then we're all getting disrespected. Mark Andrews, good O-line, Lamar, J.K., good D. Yep. Add in Julio. Julio made one of these lists, so perhaps they do have the room.

Maybe not conducive to his skill set and it's in the shot at Lamar, but they just haven't thrown the ball outside the numbers with regularity. They haven't been as bad as people think at it, but they haven't done it with as much regularity. And, you know, what kind of routes is he running? Where does he want to catch the football? The best team to me to take advantage of this, like who's ready to win now

and can get him the ball in the places on the field that he likes to catch the ball, the Chargers. Yeah, I like that a lot. Ravens have... Colts are on the list too. Just enough space to sign them. Did you hear what Ty Hilton said the other day?

No. The deep ball is back. Okay, last night, Lakers got the dub. They're going to be in. The play in continues. Golden State are going to play to see who's the eight seed, what's happened in the East, don't really give a

fuck. I'm officially washed because I was doing everything I could to stay up for the end of that game. And I was halfway through the fourth quarter and then woke up at like 238 with the third sports center rolling around. And I didn't even have the energy to look up the score. I said, screw it. I'll wait until I wake up for good. I went to bed. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't see the end of the game. I watched the highlights. But high drama. And John Moran, and Steph in like an elimination game. That's pretty cool. I just want to say this one thing.

Did you see the grizzlies whole get up, the court, the uni's, the whole nine yards last night? I did. Close. Close for me. I think it's an improvement and it's close. Although I don't like the, I don't mind the two-tone blue grizzly bear,

but I do like the nod to the Vancouver years and I like the color scheme. I think it's great. Unis, a lot going right. Not quite there for me. But yeah, an ode to the past and a nice fun new look. The NBA is the opposite of the NFL in this round. Oh man, they just like listen.

Where whatever you want. Roger Goodell would have had a connoption watching last night's game if it were like an NFL game. Think about this. Black and red court with a tobacco like colored paint. It literally looked like somebody's leather chair in Florida, you know, like in a golf community. And then like the black uniforms,

but you've got some baby blue, and then you got fans in baby blue gear waving yellow towels. Like, it was a lot like this set at first glance. Cheeks. Cheeks. Yeah. I thought about that.

I was like, this kind of a cheek set up at first, but then I look closer and I'm like, I just love everything about the Grizzlies, man. Cool city. Shout out to Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah, shout out to the raw room. Hello.

Shout out, hello. Shout out to Darren Bates, but also shout out to the 36 Mafia. All right. Shout out to W. Walking in Memphis. Walking in Memphis. They got a lot of good things going on in that city.

Walking with my feet 10 feet off of Beal. You know, that's a reference to Beal Street. In Memphis? Yeah, I didn't know that for about 15 years. Well, now I do. So I just want to say this. Overall, Grizzlies fun team to watch and John Morant, fun star.

I don't know who to root for in this game. I don't know who I want to win. I don't know who I want to win. I'll go Warriors. I thought John had a better, handle that I saw last night. If we can do some... They got a little dicey with the free throws at the end.

Hard hitting sports analysis. Free throws in the handle. I don't know what was going on. Here's my one minute on that game. Feel bad for Demard de Rosen. Great name. All time name. All time. And also, pretty good dude. One time met him at the club in Vegas, the pool club. He was super cool. He was one of the drunk as I've ever been. So I'm not sure if he thought I was super

cool. And you know me. I've been drunk. You have been drunk. So I think he's cool. I think he seems like a great. player, a good teammate, and he was up there in Toronto and got shipped out in that whole trade and probably was like, fuck, I missed that whole thing, but at least I'm going to the Spurs because the Spurs are perennially good, and now they're going to be like perpetually, it feels like the team fighting for that play in because they just don't have the horses. And Greg Popovich has a big mullet. Pop, COVID hair. I love the Spurs in the playoffs, so that wasn't fun. But

I'm rooting for probably John the Grizzlies. Let's spread the wealth a little bit. Okay Warriors probably have a better shot to knock off the jazz Jazz and Sons the one and the two just overlooked not respected

it'll be interesting I think East and West will be interesting I'm excited for this And the gap is closing if Curry's out I mean think about it The East is closing that gap

on top to bottom you know fun teams quality teams except for that stinky 4 or 5 Knicks Hawks whatever it's mostly about the five

Hey let's talk to Jalen Rose shall we Yes Jalen Roe The first Jalen. Big star. It's been well documented.

And I love Jalen Jacoby, like really a great vibe on that show. One of the former players who I think does it right. Jalen, how you doing, ma'am? I'm doing well. Appreciate the love. Great to be back on, which. And so, you know, we got a lot of basketball headlines swirling around this week. Some stuff off the court, some stuff that has nothing to do with the playoffs.

You know what I got to ask you, man. Is Jay Cole any good? Oh, Barnes! By the way, I was just listening to his album, by the way. That's why I'm sweating a little bit, and I ain't going to act like today. The first day I've been playing ball, and I try to show off and go on IG live.

But you've got to put yourself on front streets. You've got to make sure they don't see the address, and there's so many things, but my nephew here to handle it. But let me tell you about Jay Cole. So first off, he got a new album I'll call the offseason, and it is crazy. I was outside just listening to it. And as far as him playing ball,

it was great to see him on TV, getting a breakaway bucket, getting a block shot. You know, he's been working on his game for years, and he's one of the celebrities that actually got game. So give me another couple of celebrities that have game. Chris Brown is a celebrity that has game. Cuevo can hoop. I saw him down at the All-Star game. That's how I figured out he could hoop.

From the Migos lefty, he can ball also. Common can hoop. Oh. Yeah. Com and Hooke. Two chains probably pretty good. That's a good one. Yes, indeed.

And then you got to play, like, I don't know if you ever played with or against Master P when he was in the league for a second. I not only got a chance to play against P, but we worked out of UCLA for a summer. And as a matter of fact, we shot jumpers for some no limit gear. And I won. And he still owed me the $20,000 worth of merchandise. And I had him on Renaissance Man podcast. Check that out every Thursday, release a new episode.

I asked P about my gear. So hopefully the legend, the OG, the icon, the billionaire, make sure he gave me some no-limit gear because he know I'm going to rep it. And shout to his sons who ball in Percy and Mercy. They're killing in there and they're announcing their colleges and stuff like that at this point in time. I heard him on Club Shay Shay talking to Shannon about being a rookie, you know like walking in a locker room and like master P as a rookie

like you can't give him any shit no you can't and also you don't want to get dissed on his record exactly exactly absolutely like you might think like you won that little argument at work but it's going to come around back later Jaylon and Rose rhyme with a lot of things

yeah he could have been in any song it could have been any song dude not trying to be in no disc tracks So the other thing this week, obviously, it was the Kwame Brown stuff, and I don't get in the middle of grown men business. That's their business. But one thing that I saw was very, very interesting was your retweet of something you and Jacoby said in 2018, where you guys hung a word in the rafters. Tell me about what that word was and why. So the one thing that I wanted to do is shout to Bill Simmons, the father who birthed Jalen and Jacob.

and so many people at ESPN that allowed it to go from being a podcast like you with the feet up on the table to now being an actual afternoon show on ESPN. And every day I look at the lineup, I'm like, we come on after sportsmen? Yeah, dude. Like, is that happening? I don't think we're headed there. I think our feet are going to be on this fucking table than 20 years. I got in my email every day.

It's like, when is somebody going to tell us that, you know, we may not belong in this string of programming, you know? But in all honesty, it was important to me as I was doing my NBA countdown work and things like you see with the New York Post right now that I continue to nurture Jalen and Jacoby as a podcast. I never got too busy for it. And it was not in my contract. It was a passion project. And when I pitched the idea to bill, I was the first former athlete to actually have a podcast. And I thought about the idea because when I started working for ESPN, they had. had me mostly talking about basketball, but I had just started doing best damn sports show,

MTV Movie Awards. I went to college for this. I went to college radio TV film. So I'm like, I didn't just want to only talk about basketball. And so once I pitched in the idea, it became a Rose report. And so it was important to me to have imagery that represented my voice, that represented my culture as pictures up behind me. And so now you see people in the pandemic putting up backgrounds and stuff like that. But imagine the day Bill Simmons walked in to the studio and I took his pictures down and I put up Jay-Z with the gold tooth and the big chain. He was looking at me like I was crazy. I was like, when I'm in here and the things that come out of my mouth, I want represented behind me.

And I'm forever grateful that he allowed that to happen. And so that can continue to change, like, how I'm able to project not only the feelings of, you know, athletes and former athletes, but also of my culture. and retiring words was something that was really important to me. And like you, I'm not going to get into the who's right or who's wrong thing about, you know, the Kwame Brown videos or whatnot. But I will say imagery and tags are extremely important. And I know that, and by the way, probably I know that the best is somebody that has now become a common name, Jalen.

So I know how important names and tags are and can be based on how you use. them. And so for me, I brought out an undershirt one day that we all wear and I pulled it up and I was walking around the street. I was walking around the office asking everybody, what do you call this? And they said, a wife beater. I was like, see, that's why we got to retire that word. It's hard. You got to retire certain words, man. I've retired certain words in my vocabulary over the years that I'm embarrassed to say I ever said. And like one of those is like is, yeah, wife Peter, like you thoughtlessly, that rolls off the tongue for a good 23 years. And then somebody says like, hey, listen to yourself, say that. And now I'm like, hey, babe, do you have an A shirt?

Correct. It's fucking weird. But it's the right thing. Exactly. And it's the growth that as you get older, that you owe those behind you to spit that wisdom and knowledge. And so since I had the podcast platform and then it was on late night TV, then it was on ESPN2, I was able to still do that. And Bust was one of those words. I worked the draft multiple years. And I understand that there are so many times that when blacks get into entertainment and sports, you sometimes get viewed as only 10 successful members of your community.

It's like, yeah, you know, those, if you're not MJ or LeBron or Denzel or Michael B. Jordan, it's like, it's like 10 of y'all. Everybody else, you know, you're all right, but you're not real. And then those become tags and imageries of those people that now become adults. And we're seeing that play out literally in his post. And as I was young in this business, and I know you guys seen it, I had two like notable debates that are now recirculating. And it was about this topic. And it was about two different players.

One Russell Westbrook when I was talking to one of my co-host, and then I was talking about his averages in high school, as I did some research, Karas 1 style, had some disc tracks already ready in case I'm going to come for you type of thing. And boom. And then the other player was Kwame Brown. And so for me, as I said back, and I see both of these guys,

one is averaging the triple double in the NBA for the fourth time. and then the other one that we're talking about right now, I'm just happy that you can't always say this. You know, like you guess a lot, you project a lot. Sometimes the relationships you have give you wrong information or whatever. But from an integral standpoint, I'm happy that I can look back at my takes and my opinion 10 years ago and tell myself those age well.

I agree with you. I think that that word we've talked about, like I've been very, careful about how I talk. You can talk about the way things play out on the quarter on the field, but we all know where that line is where it becomes disrespectful and it becomes personal. And I think like it's something that we can easily fall into the trap of doing because a lot of our colleagues and people, and there's no subliminals. We're talking about the entire industry. Especially people that didn't play the game are so quick and callous to talk about

people who did things athletically and in life that they would dream of doing. They came up and got into sports because of, you know, those. aspirations and so your success because you got there not to mention Kwame Brown played 12 years in the NBA which is harder to to get into than the NFL but the expectations were so high why are the expectations high because somebody picked them and I always wonder why we don't look at the people who make the picks preach like we're so pro player but all that pro player shit doesn't square with then talking down to dudes that just got picked in the wrong

spot in the draft you know as somebody who was picked high in for two years if you Google my name, the word bust came up next to it. And that shit fucked me up. Is you know, you Google. Correct. But it's not you, the 23-year-old's fault. You're doing the best you can. Absolutely. And as you mature, and that's why it's up to the elder statesmen to keep each other accountable. Because really, you have to gauge success by realistic expectations. Right.

And you and I both know great players and great organizations at the right time are going to win the Super Bowl or going to win the NBA championship. If you ask me, hey, you know, what does it like to have your three championship rings? I'll say, so tell me about Bill Russell. What kind of guy has magic? Hey, tell me a Kareem story. What was it like to meet Larry Bird? How's LeBron? How's Shaq?

How's Tim Duncan? How's Kobe? How's Dwayne? Like, that's 80 years of history. You see what I'm saying? And so everyone else now can't get diminished if they're not able to achieve those goals. And that's what makes a player like LeBron leave Cleveland or a player like KD leave OKC because it's like, okay, I'm the MVP. And y'all still going to talk down on me and put the barrier too hot and I can never jump over it.

This generation is so ruthless, man. They're so fucking ruthless. and then they turn around they're like, why are you running from this? It's because, yeah, if I sit here in OKC and you could say like, hey, you got to win that series, you got to get by Team X, Y, or Z. But I mean, teams, players want to take things

into their own hands, destiny in their own hands. Who's a player that got drafted high somewhere and you think it was just the wrong place? And maybe they went down as that B word, but they could have been, you know, one of those other names. So like, for me, here's so here's what I consider like a bust. If you don't even get out of the starting game.

Right. You know what I mean? Like you don't give me nothing. Yeah. You know, like, it's just like you go outside to the car and it look good, rim shining, everything is fly and you turn the key and it don't move. Right. Like that's to me.

But if you call me Brown, you getting 11 years and 60 million, like, you got a chance to play with Michael Jordan, you got a chance to play with Kobe Bryant. Like, my life is cool. Yeah, it's pretty funny. You know, I've come a long way if I'm able to say that I achieved that. And so I just like other terms as imagery, like underachiever. Like, you could call somebody an underachiever.

You can, so if you take somebody in the top three in the NBA, you expect that person to be an all-NBA performer. That should be an all-N-B-A performer if you're going to top three. If you go in the top five, they should be a perennial all-star. And to your point earlier, what ends up happening is the people that get the draft get multiple chances at it, right? It's just like picking talent in the industry. They get multiple challenges at it.

Like we say, oh, what's wrong with this show? What's wrong with the race or whatever? But the same people actually get the chance to continue to make those decisions. I was thinking at the time I was watching 30 for 30 on Broke. And I was thinking each of these young men also paid somebody to manage their money. Where they at? Right. Right?

Because they got a chance to move on and go manage other people's money and operating the shadows. So it's a duality. You want the player definitely to be held accountable for your expectations as a team and as a fan. But we also have to hold the people in power accountable if those choices don't go awry because a lot of times they get to maintain those jobs, get fired from that job, go get another job, fire from that job, get a better job. And the player don't necessarily get to do that. Same thing in the NFL.

We always say it. Assistant coaches is who you know. And they'll be, you know, they get right back on their feet no matter how bad the last stop was. And I've had coaches who coordinated historically bad defense. who had opportunities to be coordinators on great teams in the future. And they sometimes worked out, but that's the thing is like a player's not going to have that safety net. Can I tell you an example?

And you know this example, I remember sitting back watching, you was playing in this game, as a matter of fact. It was Cowboys and Eagles. And I was watching the two most recent Detroit Lion quarter, head coaches, be coordinators. and one of those coaches was our coach when we was winless.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's your point right there. Yep. I don't have to say. But listen, it's just they just get more chances. It's not to say they're not going to be better than next stop,

but we don't get a next stop. A lot of the players. You got the Michigan hat on something that wore them probably, anybody who's over the age of what would you say making? 30. Anybody over 30 was really excited to see you and Chris, kind of squash whatever it was, man, because like, I know him more than anybody, I know, like Fab Five Fanatic and just some guys grew up watching you guys. And it sucked for all those years

thinking like maybe our heroes don't get along. Right. Hey, on the tennis courts of our private school, Jalen, I wore black shoes and black socks, maybe every single match. How does it feel, man, like is it a big relief or was this something you knew was going to happen? It was a matter of time or what? So when I woke up that morning, I didn't know it was going to happen, actually, but I knew the night before that he got inducted in the Hall of Fame. And as you know, I've been on countdown for 10 years. And so the next day was the time to celebrate the inductees.

And so when I knew that he had an opportunity to be on, I felt it was going to be a great opportunity to celebrate him, celebrate his legacy, and celebrate his career. And so we didn't necessarily plan for it to happen the way it happened. Because think about it, that would have happened on a Wednesday, I would not have been there. Right. It happened Monday. I would not have been there.

That just when it happened. He got enshrined and I worked countdown. And so I worked the last 10 years, as you know, on that show every weekend. And so it was a great opportunity for us to show people that you can have conflict resolution with peace, responsibility, respect and humility because so many times those relationships play out the opposite way. And that's not the imagery that we should be putting out there. So I'm glad that moment was, well, we had that moment. And I appreciate him acknowledging my late mom.

And you said something about our heroes. And I just remember like some of my face. favorite groups when I was young. It was one thing when New Edition broke up or the Jackson 5 or whatever, or EPMD broke up. It was one thing. But when I knew that Magic and Isaiah, my two idols weren't seeing eye to eye, I can relate to you guys because that crushed me too. Because I have a relationship with both of them. Those are Jayland's two idols. Okay. I idolize Magic Johnson as a tall point guard. He's from Lansing Everett, Michigan. And he went to play in LA.

He's our hero. And I've always been able to reach out to him, be in contact with him. And Isaiah Thomas, it played for the Pistons, a member of the bad boys, my favorite team. So imagine me coming up through the ranks and knowing my two heroes aren't seeing out of eye. When I do Jane and the Jacoby, y'all see that picture over my shoulder of the 88 finals with them kissing each other on the cheek before they played the game. and then they got into a fight during that series. I appreciate everybody wanting to see my brother and I, you know, have resolution. And I definitely can relate because when I saw Isaiah and Magic finally be able to be in the same place at the same time and see eye to eye,

it was refreshing for me as well. And again, there's no, like, you feel almost weird being like good. I'm glad you guys finally did it. Like there's also interpersonal shit that you have to work out with people that really has no do with the fans or anything. But, you know, you being cognizant, of course you are because you think about stuff like that of people that are just excited and galvanized to see y'all get back together on some level.

What about the last like a bunch of years? Was it hard, you know, All-Star weekend or, you know, this, that, and the third, maybe something in Michigan where you guys have to kind of work around each other? Was that kind of the way it was? Well, the thing respectfully, growing up without a father that was an NBA player, that on having his basketball card, having everybody's car, but also having his basketball card and using it as motivation and encouragement, but also out of spite to work on my life and say that I was going to help use this as fuel to get us out of the hood.

it was more for me like out of sight, out of mind, because I knew of something I couldn't necessarily control because it's not only my doing, it's more than one person involved. And so from a Michigan standpoint, as far as I'm concerned, once Joanne Howard became the head coach of the school, everything squashed as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Because that is a seminal moment that, you know, it pays how much to us in a way that the banners could never. Right. That retiring our numbers could never is that there was a period of time that we as a collection were, quote unquote, banned from the university. Now one of us are leading the program and doing a great job.

And so I'm a season ticket holder. I go to games since Juana. has been the coach. So we hadn't necessarily had to cross paths in Ann Arbor. As it relates to like the NBA finals and stuff like that, yeah, it's weird. It's strange when the whole world knows that you guys been knowing each other 13 and y'all like kind of avoid each other at the restaurant or avoid each other at the game so you don't have to like directly walk past each other or have out of eye contact, that type of thing.

But hopefully we are working get to get over that. And I believe that was a big step in that relationship happening. And I believe that it's going to continue to grow. And it also probably made it really hard for you guys to get a quiet moment to actually talk man to man because every time you're at the steakhouse and it's 30 fucking dudes in there, everybody's like looking this way. Like, oh, are they both going to the bathroom in the same? Oh.

No, no, wait, Chris. another guy that was inducted Kobe who you guys and you've been such a cool you know one thing I love about you is like you were a great player but you don't have to act like you were hot shit all the time like you roll

with the punch as well and I think that's like a very secure thing so I just wanted to tell you that and you know like respect for that and then also you know the 81 point game you've fucking had fun with the fact that you've been inextricably linked shamelessly to one of the greatest scores

of all time getting hot one night I just want to know about that commercial y'all shop because it was tremendously acted. It was the what, the martini commercial? Correct. How much money did they pay you? And was that like, did you have a second thought about maybe I don't fry myself in the commercial too? So you're going to appreciate this. This was like crazy organic.

I was one of the first people like as an athlete doing a podcast. At first I was doing it on Periscope before Apple, before Spotify. And so I had my own YouTube page like in 2007 called Jalen TV. I just stopped doing content for as I started doing TV. You know, you had that. For me, it was a choice. Am I going to focus on YouTube at this time? I'm going to focus on TV at this time.

I couldn't split the baby, so to speak. I just didn't have the energy to be able to do both. Right. And so as I started doing content for Grant Land and we started doing skits and stuff like that, there was a time where I ran into Kobe at the Palm Hotel in Vegas. I used to like to go there and play crafts and play some blackjack or whatever. And I ran into him at the restaurant. And I looked on the table and I noticed that, you know,

they had a couple of martinis and some wine or whatever on the table. And so when I started doing a pilot, Jalen versus everybody with the Natska Khan, who did a terrific job. And Melvin, you know, you know, working with them and EPN, the pilot that I did for ABC. As a matter of fact, one of the other shows that was in the running for if ABC was going to pick it up was only grownish. And so when I seen that, I was like, I know what they're going to pick. So I told them, I was like, hey, y'all, this was fun.

This was great. But they're going to pick grownish. I would too. And let's hit up ESPN to see if they'll still air to Jalen versus everybody during the final. And I had so many celebrity appearances in there. I had Tim Duncan, who also just got inducted. I had Larry Bird, who's a legend, Draymond Green. I wanted to get a lot of people that you didn't necessarily see speak, being part of it.

And one of the ideas that they had, and we had, was to shoot a commercial with Kobe Bryant, with one, his statue outside of the Staples Center with me guarding him, but I'm turned in the wrong direction. That's the first one. And then the second one was the story I just told you. And so he was going to come and do NBA countdown with us. I hit him up because we have a great relationship and I pitched him the idea and he loved it. And of course he did. Of course he loved it. And so he came an hour and a half early so we can shoot it at the Palm Hotel restaurant. So when you have a celebrity, you already know how this works. You don't have much time with Kobe Bryant.

Like when he come in, he got his team before he get out the car, there's two or three other people to get out the car to let you know, like, these 10 steps is ordained. These other steps is ordained. Like, this is what you have. You know what I'm saying? We are not playing around. He had the same motherfuckers with him, Jalen, when he spoke to the Eagles in 2017.

There were like five dudes in the car. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Rest of peace to the legend. And he came in, we shot a couple of takes. And we only did like two or three takes. And that, when it gets showed, I just gave it to the internet. Now imagine then if I would have just said, when you watch it, it has no labels on it. It has no sponsors. It has no labels. I didn't want him to think that I was trying to profit off of it. Right. So I appreciated him doing it, and I just gave it away as a tribute to his legacy. That's why it has no logos or anything on it. And now that he's passed, I take pride in being one of the people that are going to be caught upon to speak about his legacy. And I'm going to make sure I do that and represent properly.

It's such a cool little bit, too. You guys were great actors in that thing. Jalen had four more assists than Kobe in that game, two fewer turnovers. he played two more minutes and was partly responsible for holding Smush Barker to 13. There we go, dude. That's why you come here for the bright side of things. Hey, he came up to 100. He didn't get the 100.

Nobody got me 81. I mean, I want to ask you about, like, right now basketball before I let you go. I know you've been very generous with the time, so we appreciate you. Last night, LeBron, the late heroics. Like, you think he's playing possum, and then all of a sudden, He hits a three at the end of the shot clock and buries the Warriors. Ish. We'll see.

It's hard to bury those guys. I mean, only 18 injuries and they're still here. Hey, what's the ceiling for the Lakers? Is it the finals still? The ceiling for the Lakers is championship or bust. Think about they have so much depth when everyone is healthy that the rain from Lassie, season. Montres Harold, six men of the year, gets D&P sometimes. That's how much depth they have up front. LeBron's the primary ball handler, but for those that have never stood next to LeBron, he's only 6-9-260.

Then you got Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Mark Gassau. You could put Morris out there and you can put Montres Harold out there. They have so many big guys. Montres Harold joined that team, I was like, God, I got to like the Lakers now. I just don't like the Lakers that much. I don't care who you put in that uniform. I've just always had trouble. Did you think, like, one, how's LeBron's health? And two, did you think that was a basketball play the other night? The dude from the Hawks, what was his name, Solomon Hill? So here's the thing about being LeBron James. Each step is going to be magnified, whether it's the Solomon Hill play that you're talking about, or even the Draymond Green play.

Right. Where, and as my coach used to say, there's nothing wrong with your legs, get up. Right? Nothing wrong with your legs. Get up. I'm pretty sure you've been told that doing some Oklahoma drills. Oh, yeah. And so, LeBron James, I think, has put himself literally in position to now navigate these

is he the goat conversations with Michael George? That's what this is all about. And Solomon was hustling for the ball. He wasn't purposely trying to injure LeBron James. That's what I thought too. Draymond Green cannot jump with LeBron James. When LeBron goes up in the air, there's a reason why he's putting his hand over his eyes

because his elbows and his hands are so high that he can't affect the shot. Right. He's so good. No, this works. Like, you're going against the greatest of the greatest. Oh, if I was playing against Kobe, I would have hurt him. No, the game don't work like that.

You got to take it. Right. You got to take it. Quarterback on the other side throwing five touchdowns. It ain't time to come spear them now. Uh-uh. And get a personal file. No, you got to take it.

That's just how the games work being a professional. And so I think LeBron has positioned himself really well to defend their championship, the Clippers are going to have something to say that Utah Jazz are going to have something to say. And the Nets in the finals will also have something to say. So we're going to get great theater. That's what I'm happy about. You didn't mention one team here.

Well, you didn't mention the 51 and 21 Phoenix Suns. Okay. I'll touch on both of them for you professionals real fast. The best thing that happened to your New York Knicks, and I'm so happy they had a great season. You know, I played for the Knicks. and the Knicks are the most popular team in New York. The Nets are the more popular everywhere else.

I was just at a bar this weekend in New York. They were watching the replay of the Knicks game while Live Nets game was happening. I love it. I got into an argument with them, like, can y'all at least put the game when they were so happy? Julius Randor, RJ? I'm like, I know so y'all watching replays.

And so I'm happy that the enthusiasm is there. And the best thing that happened to your Knicks, but they also get to play an inexperienced hawks team in the first round. So whoever advances, they really get to celebrate because nobody felt either one of those teams at the beginning of the year make the second round. How do we get so much out of these lost and found pieces, man? Is it Tibbs? It's tips.

And also it's the lost and found pieces. They're hungry. You know how it works. But people have doubted you. Yeah. And sometimes it's not all you're doing. It can be the system. It can be the opportunity.

It can be other injuries. Like, it's a team game. There's so many pieces that go into the puzzle if you're not an all-time great player. Like, if you're an all-time great player, yeah, they build an other 52 around you. All right, great. If you're LeBron James, you had the other 14 get built around you. Great. But for everybody else, we need to be in the right place at the right time.

And that's what's happening with Julius Randall. Look at how he was viewed in L.A. And then see how he was viewed in New Orleans. They basically have a version of Zion playing for the Knicks. They can shoot 40% from three. That's Tibbs. And Brinbach Rose, who he's familiar with and Todd Gibson. So now they can be vets in the locker room.

Let Reggie Bullock be a sniper because he shoots the ball really well. And so everybody falls into their role. Let me get to your Phoenix sons. I did vote for Monty Williams as coach of the year. Terrific player development with Aiden with Bridges. adding CP3 to go a book, make them more efficient, add Crowder to bring them some toughness. They're young, though. And you know who they play in the first round?

The Lakers. That ain't working out well for them. Oh, so they might fall. They just got a bad draw. Yeah, I was going to say that has to be the worst draw for a highly seated team this year. I mean, they're watching the game last night. Like, are you fucking kidding me, dude? Right.

We go from knocking at the door last year to two seed this year. We make it. And by the way, CP3 is made. everybody better that he's played for. Fourth in my MVP ballot. I put him fourth. I'm a voter. I take pride in voting. I had the Joker number one. I had Embed number two.

And then he set the curve on missed games. So since he missed around 30%, you know, nobody can miss over 50, 52 once I got to MB. And then I put Steph Curry third, CP3, 4, and you're not going to like who I put fifth. I put Yonis 5. Julius was my six, but I gave Julius most improved player of the year. Yeah, and he deserves that big time.

And again, he's another testament to why you don't want to use the B word or make determinations too soon on people because context is everything, as Jalen said. Last thing, talking about Seattle and Vegas and having teams maybe coming up. Seattle, right? That's a great place to play basketball, yeah? I got a chance to play there. Yeah. And I was a member of the Nuggets early in my career,

and I believe I got a chance to play there as the Pacers. And a couple of guys that were on the team at the time were Ray Allen and Rashar Lewis. They were both getting buckets as young player. Ray Allen, for those that don't know when we say Steph Curry is the greatest shooter, like Ray Allen not only has probably some of the prettiest form ever, it was like he shot it straight in a phone booth, straight up and straight down.

He had big calves. It seemed like he was never going to miss. And then Rashar Lewis embodied positionless basketball. He was like 6-11, shooting threes. And then he went to Orlando, played in the finals alongside Dwight Howard. They had a terrific fan base. And, you know, for those that don't know, it just got legal a lot of other places. It seemed like it's been legal forever in Seattle.

Oh, dude. I'm telling you, man, like the first dispenser I ever walked into was in Seattle because we used to play there for two-day road trips. I'd be like, man, like this is real. And now they just, the 20-24 here in Virginia, Jalen. so come visit us in the studio. I got your back, fam. And how about, okay, but how about Vegas, though?

Because I know there's no secret. You guys don't just sit in the hotel room when you go on the road. We do as players. But like generally, NBA players have more freedom. You're on the road a lot. What's that Vegas stop like? So I would not have liked Vegas for the NBA pre-2010. I would not have liked it in any way, shape, or form.

because pre-social media, there were things that happened in Vegas that should stay in Vegas. And now once you have social media and cameras and stuff like that, I just think about it, MJ loved to gamble. And there were times where he was out during the playoffs and it became a big thing that he was at a casino a night before a playoff game. Right. And so now that the league and the players are like a lot more sophisticated and they grow up in a social media space, and now they make a lot more money. You get a chance to insulate yourself.

So they'll be good. They'll be just fine. Plus, you can use this to gamble now. I'm holding my phone for people listening at home. Preach. Preach. So you could do it from the room. And you've been busy.

You got the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy. You're also doing a podcast on the side called The Renaissance Man podcast. You just had, what, MJ's trainer on? I did. I'm Grover, that's the episode released today. So go check that out. And then tell me a little bit about this Leadership Academy, if you could. Founded in 2011, J-Lan Rose Leadership Academy.

It's an open enrollment, tuition-free, public charter high school that's nonprofit that I found it in the neighborhood that I grew up in, Zipco, 482, 235. And my goal was to create an inner city public school that could rival suburban private schools and suburban public schools. We call that bridge in the education gap. And parents like myself that are really fortunate that are able to send my kids to private school, we all know that that's an investment.

So if you spend it $40,000 a year K through 12, that's one number. And that's what happens in the suburbs. The public schools get another number. The inner city schools get a third of that in a lot of cases. So we want to try to have young people be able to compete in the same college classroom, compete for the same career opportunities. And so we're a 9 through 16 model.

We not only graduate our young people from high school, but we also support them through secondary education, college, university, community college, trade school. And so we've graduated over 500 young people right now. We have 1,000 scholars that we support. And we're really proud of the work that we've done. Congratulations on that. That's big work.

And just I know by just dipping my turn. and starting a charter school is tough. Yes. Absolutely. Like, that's got to be the hardest thing you've ever done. Yes, sir. It's like playing poker.

Like, you got to be willing to put your chips all in the middle of the table and be willing to lose them. You got to get it authorized like we had to do for Central Michigan. Then you try to have a management company. In my case, as the founder of the school, then I wouldn't build a board of community leaders

that can support and things of that nature and drive the dynamic and fundraise. So it's a Herkulean effort. So I appreciate all of my supporters and people continue to give our students their time, their energy, and their, and their support. Definitely a good dude off the court. Always. Congratulations on that.

Jalen Rose, the first Jalen and one of our favorite guests. We hope you come back to talk ball with us another time, ma'am. Anytime. I appreciate the love. I love talking basketball in this podcast. It shows you our range. I want to rank Jailens real quick before we, before we move on.

And I also want to give a big shout out to Kai, who sends us a lot of really good mailback questions. He sent like 56 the other day per my instruction. Like he sent like five bangers and I was like some more. And then we realized our brains weren't working. I mean, not a we. I mean, it was more me. I couldn't get the pot off the ground.

So we're going to answer one or two of your mailback questions rather quickly. Here's how it goes. Jalen Rose is number one. Okay, he's the first Jalen. he had the first podcast he fucking is part of an iconic group of basketball players in the Fab Five that will go down in history

he was a really good pro better than people remember because he's so good on TV Jalen Rose is the number one Jalen When I first heard that he thinks of himself as the O.G. Jalen I was like okay but probably not no he kind of is

he is the O.G Jalen I thought I had him last night on a Wikipedia search for famous Jailens, like so many others. I'm sure somebody else making content has done the same thing if you're hearing this. I also found the Eastern European guy named Jalen, who was a professional soccer player born in 1979.

Jalen Pocorn. Polcorn. Oh, Jalen Pocorn. Thought he was the first Jalen. Sorry, but Jalen Rose had you by six years. What are the chances though? There was a Jalen that was like six years old in Michigan. And then the, like, think about the show

sheer coincidence of two Jalen's being born for the first time in history. But the thing is, Jalen Rose was born in like 1973. Correct. So he's undefeated. You can't beat him with some Eastern European Jalen. He's the first Jalen of all time. And I feel pretty good about saying that. And there's no doubt about it. You know, I can have a unique name, but there aren't a bunch of Macon's coming up in the world. There are a boatload of Jalen's coming up in the world right now. That's right. And that's why Jalen Rose is the number one overall pick. That's right. Number two for me, Jalen Mills. Jalen Mills. Jalen Mills and I won a Super Bowl together and I love Jalen Mills. Number three, Jalen Ramsey. Cornerback, who is the best football Jalen of all time.

I also want to throw Jalen Hertz's name in there. I mean, it's early, but he's got a chance to skyrocket. Jalen Hertz has the most mobility in the Jalen rankings. No doubt about it. If he wins the Super Bowl for the Eagles, he would usurp the number one Jalen, Jalen Rose, for me at least. And he's off to a great start. Really like the guy. Jalen Brunson, Villanova. A lot of Philly in here.

A lot of Philly ties for Jalen guys. Jalen Brunson, son of Rick, Temple, UVA basketball assistant coach once a point of time. Jalen Brunson, hooped in Seaville here for a while. Mr. Pocorn's place of birth. That would be cronge, Yugoslavia. I love smoking the cronge.

K-R-A-N-J, Kronge. Kronge bin. I can see Kronge being like your new password. Kronge, 5,000 to get into your laptop. That's what I'm going to call marijuana from now on.

Okay. Hey, let's answer a Kai mailback question and then get to Jeff Garland. By the way, this pot is like sex. That's too good. It's too long. It's too good.

There's too much good sex. Oh, Jalen Rose. That was awesome. Oh, Jeff Garland. I'm going to throw a mailback question in there too. I mean, is it too much, folks?

You need a cigarette? Huh? You need a fucking cigarette? You need a Marlboro Red sitting there in your minivan wherever you listen to this podcast or in your fucking in your sunroom

you uppity ass motherfuckers. I'll get it together by the time Jeff Garland comes on. I want to answer one of these questions here at some point. Chekow. Old tech you still like ranked. Like so top three old tech

that you still like. I totally messed up the... Old tech for me number one would be the courted earphone because I still I still use it. I prefer it over the cord less. Oh it's so stupid. Bluetooth headphones. I got so many during my career. Now it's going to be like jerseys talking about like Bose would send us like mad expensive bows cordless. I agree with you dude. You nailed this. Thank you. I mean give me an old pair of white air buds that like really

hurt your ears sometimes. All day for me. They get yellow ear wax on them sometimes. Got to keep them I think this is bad practice because there have been some mishaps. Yeah. But I will even have a man going to bed at night if sometimes I need a bit of a sleep aid. I'll listen to a podcast, not this one, but I listen to another podcast. And I'll have the ones that hurt a bit. And then you can roll over and it's, ah. Yeah.

But better than the AirPods, which can actually go inside your freaking ear canal. And another thing about those cheap ass headphones that you buy perpetually at the airport before you get on a long flight because you realize, who lost your other ones and the charger, which is not, like you're always going to lose the charger. The losing is the biggest problem with the air pod. That's the problem. That's the problem, right?

I can't use an AirPods that's been dead for three years. Right. Okay. And like Apple always does. And here I am with Apple products all around me. Oh, they upgrade. Oh, let me upgrade. Let's change the whole fucking, let's change the plugs in your house.

You got to buy, you got to move to Europe to use an Apple device in 2023. I mean, my goodness. That male part no longer fits the female part. You have a wonderful trip. What the fuck are you so happy about right now? Nothing. Bags back in the car. I'm not going.

What are you talking about? Bags back in the car. Take me home. What? Jeff, thank you for coming on. We love curb. We love your work. My son loves Toy Story.

So, you know. Oh, cool, Daddy. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So I actually hit him up before you came on. And I said, Do you remember Buttercup? I put it on FaceTime.

You remember this animal? I go, I'm having this animal on the podcast. After that, it was hard to explain, but he was excited. How old is he? He's five. If you get Taylor your address, I'll send him a Buttercup style animal. It's so nice. That's awesome.

That's awesome, man. All right, I'll certainly do that. Hey, Jeff, I'm the father of a four-month-old daughter if you have any free stuff for her. Can I tell you something? Macon? Go fuck yourself. Where do you get up? off asking me. Yes, Macon, I will send you one too.

But it's just for the, it has nothing to do with you. Right. And also another thing that I almost damn near DM'd you, I wanted to warn you that I had this jersey on and it's not like a nice to meet you, fuck you thing. No, no, no, no, no. I'm a huge Cubs fan. Don't get me wrong. But I like the socks. I always have. So I'm, you know, there's people north side of Chicago that are groovy with both. Right. Everyone on the south side hates the Cubs. They're not groovy with you. No, they're not. It's really funny. The hatred that goes towards the Cubs that doesn't exist for the Sox. I'm only, I'm just a big Yerman Mercedes fan. I'm a Phillies fan. How could you not be? Right. So Phillies is the main team. I got kind of a side team thing going here, which we all deserve side teams depending on your favorite team, I think. Yermin, 3 O count. LaRusa said you got to take it. What say you? if I see my coach say take it I take it if I don't see him damn right I'm going to hit it out of the park and allegedly you didn't see him and by the way you want my feeling he didn't see him he just was up there having a good time because the only way you can play like he's playing is if you're having a good time

I think that guy like anybody named yermann mercedes is going to have a good time their entire life how could they not how could they not and you guys be known And that one is Mr. Mercedes. Just Mr. Mercedes, dude. So you're friendly with the socks, but you're a huge Cubs fan, which I know, like, we'll get to the Bears in a second because I've seen you like, I go on Rich's show every now and again, and I've seen you on Riches show talking about the band. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's awesome. Cubs, okay, like, I feel like per capita of the most famous people, like the Cubs, right? I mean, the celebrity factor. Well, I'd say outside of, let's say, a New York team, or maybe the Dodgers, yes. I mean, in terms of people from their childhood in Chicago go on to be famous comedians, yes, there's quite a few in the world of the Cubs. Why are people funny from that region? You know, it's so funny, I couldn't tell you.

There's a work ethic and there's a just the way we look at things, I guess. I don't know. I honestly, by the way, I'm not big on analyzing stuff. I just accept it. Okay. Okay. Well, can you do a little analysis on if you had a suite? Let's say you had like a Cub suite, which I'm sure are insanely expensive, like relative to me getting a fucking box in Philly at the Phillies game. Yeah. Okay. So who's in that suite? You got to pick just famous Cubs fans.

Dead or alive. You can go Harry. You can go anybody. No, but yes. Well, I obviously could. It's imaginary. The entire cast of Pirates of the Caribbean, too. Oh, that'd be tight. Joe Montagna would be there for sure. Vince Vaughn, who I've gone to Cub games with. Tom Morello would be there. Brad Morris, this other great Chicago comedic voice. What about Eddie? Have you ever been one of these fabled Eddie parties, Eddie Vedder? Oh, I don't even know Eddie Vedder. And I got a bit of resentment towards Eddie Vedder. I hear, by the way, he's the nicest guy. No one has ever said anything less than that about. him that big said he quick gets credit for being this big cub fan and i know if i was on a like jeopardy

episode verse him and it was all cub categories destroy you destroy oh my god yes so there you go he is a nice guy confirmed friend of the program luck like very lucky to be a friend of the program we know jeff the basis from flathead lake montana vacation and so we got like the gift from god having him on he's super cool well you're sort of of an Eddie Vedder level fan yourself. I knew you were going to say that about Virginia basketball. No, I don't think you could name three Phillies. Fuck no. Okay. Hoskins,

McCutcheon, and Bryce Harper. Okay. Okay. All right. There you go. We started being baseball fans this year. We did a whole thing where we picked our favorite teams. Macon, who's your favorite team?

The Toronto Blue Jays. Oh, that's a fun team. They're both fun. By the way, Phillies and the Blue Jays. Those are both definite good teams to root for. Thank you. We had the hats on the table. We had the hats on the table, like a high school like commitment thing. What about, okay, we're talking about front men. You're friends with Cronin the REO speed. No, I'm not. Why does this keep coming up? Is it, is it an urban legend?

Because it was in my fucking show notes. Read, you're fired. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I do know, I do know him, but we are acquaintances. And I met him years ago. I was doing, I was 20, 21 years old, doing security at a rock concert in Florida. And I'm an REO at the height of their fame. Here's this guy just hanging out. I had a lovely conversation with him. Years later, he'd been watching Curb. We met at LaGuardia, I think, in baggage claim.

And I said, hi, you know, because I know who you are. And I said, what, do you remember this? And he remembered. No. Then the Goldbergs has used the two, maybe three REO Speedwagon songs, so he's made money. So he has talked about that in like public lately. I did the entourage podcast, I think yesterday, the day before. And they were like, so you're tight with Kevin Cronin. And every year you go to the, every year you go to the Cubs game

with them for your birthday. However, that being said, I encourage your listeners and anyone who wants to if you're not a listener to your show, to go on my Wikipedia and write whatever you want. And so I'm always doing that. So somebody took the Kevin Cronin thing and made up their whole version of it. That's all. You know, I feel good to know the Entourage podcast has the same fucked up show notes. I was like, that seems like.

Hey, by the way, it wasn't just the Anoraz podcast. It was Kevin Connolly specifically. And I'm like, Kevin, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Where are you guys based? Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh, okay. We're not like racist torch-wielding people. I would, by the way, I would assume not.

You would hope they do. Well, by the way, by the way, I also want to say, come on, you know, the racist people in Charlottesville, not the good people of Charlottesville, not at all. But it's the same thing with the people that storm the capital. we're looking at a small percentage of Americans that are actually that dushy, that are actually that racist. But the squeaky wheel gets attention. So you're out there doing that shit because, look, a thoughtful person who respects other people's civil rights is not going to go out and make that statement unless it's a response to something else that happened. Right. Yeah.

Speaking of. And I got us to like the Confederacy and things like that. I have something to get us back on track. Well, I have one thing to keep us off track. Okay. And then you can get us on. All right, cool, go. Do you ever say Plantation, Florida and then think, yeah.

I did when I left there. It was Plantation, Florida is where I lived in Florida. And I'm like, does anyone else know the name of the time? Not only that, but the number one grocery store was Win Dixie. Oh, yeah, dude, I played in Dixie Little League. Like, what the fuck? We were just normal. We were walking around like head down to Dixie.

Yeah, but you were a kid, though, doing it. You weren't really thinking anything about it. No. It's like, you know, you don't think that these words are hurtful or are ignorant when you're little because you're ignorant. Small children are ignorant. They're not mean, well, they can be mean-spirited too. Yeah. They're not so perfect.

I love kids, but it's like you don't know the difference. But when you're older, you're like, Wind Dixie, Plantation, Florida. Yeah, like yikes. Hey, where are you at? I'm at Wind Dixie and Plantation, Florida. I got my slaves going up and down the aisle. And then we're going back to the plantation and planting. Literally, if you type Wind Dixie Plantation, Florida,

that should now put you on some type of FBI watch list for like a terrorist cell. It's funny you say that. But yeah. Yeah. It's like these key words. Why was Wind Dixie and Plantation on your last few? Well, I mean, what if you found out there were like 15 Wind Dixies and that motherfucker? I'd be moving out like tomorrow.

No, no. By the way, there are about 15 Wind Dixies and Plantations, Florida. There's Publixie and Win Dixie. Yeah. But, you know, I've heard rumor that plantation is thinking about changing their name. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I had a clip that I wanted to play for you. I don't want this to feel like an ambush.

It is something. No, I'm all good. Anything you want, man. This is something you said on Rich Eisen's show, and I'm playing it because you were right. The Bears have one weakness, and that's it. What is their weakness, you think? The kicking the field goal and point after. Okay.

Every time he goes behind there, you're like, what's going to happen? That's Parky, right? Cody Parking. Okay. You're a regular Miss Cleo because you said this three weeks before double doink. You said this three weeks before, and I was right there. I watched the ball, sail right over my head. Right.

The whole thing happened in slow motion. Do you remember that you called this shit? No, because I don't have, I aspire to not have a big ego, you know, to control my ego. So I don't keep track of this stuff. I just say it and that's it. Do you know what I mean? And by the way, that was the bear's only weakness. And I got to tell you, I think Trubisky is a much better quarterback than he was.

He's not, he's at his best. he's a good quarterback. Not very good, not great, but he's a good quarterback. And if you have a good football team and a good coach, you can win with Trubisky as quarterback. That gives you my opinion of the team. Do they have a good coach right now? Good.

Not great. Okay, good, not great. By the way, may become great, but I can tell you who's not great, and that's their GM. And I tell you who's not great, and that's their front office. And by the way, I'm a season ticket holder. Yeah. So I'll be damned and they charge me. I'll be damned if I'm not going to have an opinion. Now, I don't, sometimes I'll be more kind. Let's say the bears are giving me, like whenever I ask for tickets from the bears, they'd give me tickets. So I'd feel bad every time I would slam the organization, because that's who I slam. I don't slam the players. I always slam the organization. And by the way, I'll put it this way. It's never the player's fault. That's my opinion. It's a team sport and the scheme matters, the context of whom you're playing for.

The scheme is everything. And also, isn't it cool to, I'm asking you this specifically. Isn't it cool when you have a coach that motivate you and inspires you and you believe in his schemes? You believe in the way that he does things. It's not an easy thing, you know, to be that. So we put a lot of pressure on these guys who may have a modicum of coaching skills. but how many of them are really the real deal? Not many.

I mean, and not many. And the ones that like, and to your point, there's like a whole motivational and belief factor to like getting somebody to buy into your shit, which unlocks like a different dimension of that player's game and collectively more than anything to the team. When it comes to like the intangible stuff, that's a team vibe thing.

And don't let anybody tell you a vibe in a football locker room is not real. I don't know if this is a good metaphor. It probably isn't any time somebody tries to make a football analogy, which is all the time like my money guy is like hey this is like you have three linebackers floating the egg app and i'm like i hate that shit so i'm about to do it to you uh but like a great actor a funny motherfucker that gets a bad script i mean and you're seeing a guy like a mitch trabisky and i'm not saying he's great i agree with your assessment at best he's good but the reality of league is people aren't going to bend over backward to put him in a good situation now now he's a bridge guy

because of the situation in Chicago. But by the way, he could also do what... Oh, Tannahill. He could. Tanahill. He could. Then Matt Nagy is fucking Adam Gase, and that'd be bad for the Bears in a big way.

Well, by the way, bad in a big way. Adam Gase was the Bears' offensive coordinator. I loved him as that. As a head coach, he was as bad as bad gets. My brother loved him. My brother just got cut by the Bears in the last two years. So, like, yeah, the Bears... I know, and that pissed me off.

And now, where's he playing? He's going to the Super Bowl. He's going to your brothers. Go into the fucking Super Bowl. I know. It's exciting. It's exciting. It is exciting.

By the way, I want to say something about the Bears. Yeah. And you'll know this from, from, you know, each city. Like, for example, L.A., I don't care what you do. And I have clipper season tickets. I like all sports. And you're certainly the Dodgers are legendary. But it's a Laker town.

L.A. is a Laker town. Yeah. It lives and dies by the Lakers. collectively you take all the fans from all the other sports, that about equals the Lakers. Chicago 100% is a Bears town. It's not a Cubs town, Bowles Town, even with Michael Jordan. You combine all of them.

Chicago lives and dies by the Bears. So each city has one team, if they're lucky enough to have more than one team in a city, that drives the city and the Bears. When the Bears are winning, Chicago's a pretty bouncy place. when the bears are losing it's a pretty bouncy place but but but not but not the same as when the bears are winning uh yeah it's the same thing with philly the eagles like we always talk about it like it's a football city first i mean you just there's certain and there's certain towns or baseball towns first like

st louis i mean they did a great job with the rams and honestly i feel terrible that they moved that's where i played for most of my career and i loved like our fans they were so devoted and they dealt with a lot of bullshit you think bears fans deal with bullshit try one in 15 perpetually on for size it really sucks and those fans showed up but we always knew their favorite thing is baseball heaven yep it's that's what it is that's what it is that's why they built the motherfucker with the arch right there right like they didn't build the football stadium right there no no what did like living in st louis is it a fun place to live yeah you know what for a long time the downside of losing blood into like my city experience right you know which was really

fucked up for the first couple years Right. And when we got like decent, I'm talking like 500 type team and Jeff Fisher came in, I started to just love every minute of it. They have a really cool big forest park. You've probably been there and spent time. Downtown's a little, a little bit, you know, needing a, you know, remod. Actually, I'm from Chicago, so we spent as little time as St. Louis as possible. There we go. There we go. Bears fan, stressful life in football. It can be, but it's probably a lot of fun, as you said, because it's always jumping. You're a stand-up comic, which seems like terrifying to me.

What do you do to manage your stress? Because I heard you actually like meditate. Oh, I do transcendental meditation and I nap. And I also don't sweat the small stuff. You know, my girlfriend is 40, okay? I'm 58. I don't have an issue of the age range between us. But she looks at things a lot different than me.

and she sweats a lot more small stuff. I don't sweat. You realize as you get older, ah, that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. Why did that happen? I don't care. It did.

And here's what we have to do to deal with it. Like it's just sort of managed stress. I'm present. I'm in the moment. And I also am just a chill dude. That's it. I mean, by the way, I get excited. Look at the way I'm talking.

But believe it or not, I'm a very, and I would use the word dude. Like, I'm like the dude. I am, and Jeff, Jeff Bridges is my hero. And by the way, every night I smoke weed. And I do it to get, primarily I do it for sleep because, but when I have to wake up and pee in the middle of the night, it's a good five minutes to get to the bathroom. It's a right. I am, I am out of it.

I am like, oh, fuck. me, especially having just woke up and that, oh, fuck me. Oh, yeah. On an edible, if you take an edible too late and then you wake up when the edible is peaking, you're like, ooh. Well, by the way, I have done that, uh, not being able to sleep and then gone to work. And the first two or three hours of filming the Goldberg specifically, I would be way, way out of it.

We got a lot of things in common, actually. I think most people like to big LaBalbalski have a lot of things in common. Yes, yes. By the way, yes, it's a like-minded thing. I aspire to be a chill dude. I aspire to be a wise man on the hill with my legs bent, if I can cross them, and people coming to me and asking me questions. I aspire to be thoughtful. I aspire to take my ego and go, not now, man, I don't need you. I aspire to be grateful. So I strive for all that. all the time. And that kind of keeps me chill. Can I get stressed out? Well, there's a great line from the movie Radio Days. And the mother in Radio Days says, the world would be a wonderful place if it just wasn't for some people. Some people, no matter what you do, just raise stress levels. And it's like, oh, you fucker, really? This was all so good. good why why and generally the answer is money money or ego ruins everything the thing i read was

like more bio stuff so like i'm not even gonna act like i knew this fucking last week but the meditation thing caught my my eye because you said you do it for ADHD i got bad ADHD i probably feel a lot like you that i would love to be the like you know whenever somebody says still waters run deep i'm like motherfucker i'd like to run deep i'm never stuck i dig this man how old do you you like I'm 36. 36. Yeah. So you're starting your late 30s.

Yeah. Dig this, man. This is 100% true. And for me, it had a lot to do with losing weight, but I want to talk to you specifically about that. I remember saying my friend, David Katzenberg, a director, a great friend of mine on Instagram, he had a trip to Mexico. And he's at one point, he's just laying in this, like, little pond with like, it. was like in this smooth rock and he was so relaxed and I talked to him. I go, you were real relaxing. Yeah, I go, just know, I have never felt that in my life. I have never felt that. Now, I want to say to you at this point in my life, I can lay and look at the birds. I can look at a tree. I can take a nap anywhere. I am just, I run deep. I did not run deep. And I think that just comes with age, man. I really do. Age and experience.

So you will get there. When I was 36 years old, good luck to me, chilling out and going deep. Well, the hard thing for me, and I know you got some, but I'm just in the zone on this thing, man. It's like, I lived a stressful life. I'm not saying you're, who am I telling stress? I mean, you fucking. No, by the way, there's great stress in life in general. But yeah, with what I do and stuff, I've faced enormous stress.

And I've accomplished things with great adversity and great stress. it comes with it. But I've learned at my age now, 58, going to be 59 in about a week and a half. Man, I am a chill, chill dude. Now, mind you, just do I have days where I'm stressed, have days where I'm really grumpy and I don't want to be around anybody?

Yes. And what I say to my intimates, my girlfriend, my assistant, my sons, whatever, I might not be in the best mood in that. Because I want to keep people away from me when I'm feeling like shit. They don't need to be. And it's also like if I don't want to be nice to people on the street who approach me,

I'll stay home. I got it. It's my job. My job being a famous comedian is make, I want when people beat me to have a feeling of like that was really fun and special. And wow, what a good guy. And I feel like that's my job.

But is that undue pressure? Because that's one thing that like, and I noticed. since we started the podcast. Like, I'm supposed to keep the ball in the air here. Like, it's hard to, like, this is fucking intimidating shit. Like, we're fans of you, and then you come on, and I'm like, oh, there's Jeff Garland. I've watched hours of him doing funny shit.

I don't want to waste his time. I don't want to piss him off. Let's have a good conversation. That's a lot of pressure. And then you leave here. And then you go out in the world and you're like, oh, I have to entertain. I have to hold court and help keep the ball in the air for the group. And your whole life has been that plus, like, a million.

So I just don't know if that's, is that unhealthy pressure to put on yourself? Well, I'm sure it's not the healthiest thing, but I don't put it on myself. It's just, it's not even pressure. It's a responsibility. It's like being a dad. Is there stress and being a dad? Is there pressure? Yes, but that's what I signed up for.

And I'm a famous comedian. That's what I signed up for. So I'm just going along with what it was. Nothing surprised me about that. You want to hear something funny that's along the lines of here is I saw my therapist this week and was like, uh, I'm trying to work on that exact thing sitting still, right? I just hit a breaking point where I was like, yo, dude, you actually don't stop moving. And so I'm trying to talk to him about it.

He's like, let me ask you something. Can you do nothing? And I'm like, yeah, I like to drive. He's like, you're literally not sitting still, dude. You're literally using that as an excuse to say, I'm sitting still. And I'll go for a drive for an hour. There's stimulus everywhere, dude. So it's a lifelong thing.

Well, by the way, it is. But I tell you something. With the pandemic, one thing at therapy also that I discussed was, I discovered something that I had to recognize. I like doing nothing because I'm a very active dude who always is doing something. And now I have learned to do nothing. I can. Well, by the way, that's how I lost weight.

I've lost almost 100 pounds. Never dieted once. Never. But what I do is I have to sit with my feelings and that sucks. And it doesn't get easier. But I'm able just to sit in a chair and do. not read, not be on my phone, just sit. I'm able in my backyard.

I have a daybed. I love just laying there. Now, the active thing that it turns into, even my meditation, is napping. Napping can be my active thing. But I've learned doing nothing's cool. By the way, this is all going to come to you in time. Stay in therapy. Keep doing what you're doing.

Try to be a righteous dude. And somewhere down the road, it will kick in where you'll go, oh, I'm pretty fucking comfortable right now in all aspects of my life. I love that. A lot of people I admire from afar seem to practice TM. The Maharishi is no longer with us. There seems to be a barrier to entry. How does average Joe on the street get into TM, practice TM?

Well, there's the only way to do it really is to go online, look up TM. They tell you your local place. and they teach you. And know that it might cost $2,400. It might cost $1,200. They have sales. I learned from a woman who learned from the Maharishi. Like I sat in a chair that the Maharishi,

she was much older. She was in her 90s. She passed away. Her name was Nancy Cook Herrera. And she was one of the Americans. She was with the Beatles. She was on that trip where the Beatles. where the Beatles met the Maharishi.

Oh, wow. And went with him. Did you see the George thing? Sorry to interrupt. Did you see the George Harrison documentary, the Scorsese one? Of course I did. I loved it. Loved it.

What a hero. What a guy, dude. What a guy. But see, the thing is, that's what I aspire to be like George Harrison. I aspire to be like Jeff Bridges. Those are heroes in my life. Yeah. I'm with you.

Yeah, you know, it's like you, it's like that thing of like you see some, and you go, they have what I want. They have what I want. There's an enlightenment there that I haven't. And Jeff Bridges has written about it. I'll write about it someday too. I know it. I know that I'm about five years away from writing a book about comedy and spirituality and

just being a dude. What was it like over the pandemic? Because where a lot of people know you from is curb and a lot of the actors on there are older guys, you know. Ha! All right, go ahead. I never think that, but go ahead. Well, I mean, Larry probably-

By the way, Ted Danson's one of my heroes, too. Ted Danson's a fucking, he looks good for his age. Speaking of guys with white hair, just can't help but be a handsome guy. But think about it, like, do you think fucking Larry wants to be in the middle of the pandemic, like meeting up with buddies and sneaking around the protocols and that type of thing?

You guys were a part for, like, like you couldn't get coffee with certain people, I bet. I didn't get coffee with anyone, except if somebody sat, distance in my backyard. Right. So isolation. I leave my house for a long time. Yeah. I mean, I think the only thing that Larry probably was going crazy for, he loves golf. So I think that he would have liked to have snuck out and played golf. But I mean, you know, it's, it's been a probably a crazy, weird year for somebody who is as you. Hey, by the way, I've been doing stand of comedy. It'll be 39

years in two weeks right after my birthday. And the longest I ever went without, doing comedy from the time when I started, which was when I was 20 years old, was two weeks. And now I'm over a year and a half, over a year and a half. So is it like a, is it like getting back on a bicycle? You guys are going to. I'm not, I'm not doing it yet. I'm going, I'm starting. So do you envision it being like a bicycle?

Without a doubt. Okay. Without a doubt. I'm going to do some sets here to get ready. And starting in September, I'm touring all around the country on weekends. I'm doing clubs for free. They'll charge the audience, so I'm sorry about that. But the pandemic has hit these clubs.

I make a good living. So I'm doing all these clubs for free. I'm flying myself there. I'm putting myself up. My opening act, I'll fly and put up, but they have to pay them, you know, something because I don't want to volunteer them to work for free. But it's nothing compared to what I would have made.

And so I'm helping out all these clubs. And so I'll be out there doing it. And I'm excited. And I dig it, man. I look at myself like I'm Miles Davis with a trumpet, Thelonious Monk with the piano. It's what I do. It's my thing, man.

Thelonious Monk, that was a good, that was a good poll there. I was wondering though you guys are doing a new season of curb and you guys haven't been together for a while. So when you get back on the set, and you've done 11 seasons right over like 20 years. So you go a while without having worked with each other. When we came back to the first couple days. Well, by the way, when we,

came back after eight years. Yeah. That we had an eight year break. It was as if we had done it yesterday. Right. It felt the same. It's like if you have a real friend, a real deep friend, you may not see that friend for a year. And then the next week you see them.

And it's as if you saw them the week before. You know, it's like if something's real, you don't lose your connection to it. You don't lose the how to, you know. So my shows in August might be a little rough, but by the time September rolls along, I'll be grooving. We're racing to tell a joke about how we should fuck off for a while and then we'll become better friends. Oh, no. Good idea. Good idea.

But we've known each other 25 years and I feel as though we have a L.D. Jeff sort of thing going on. If we weren't, we're funnier and like, yeah, go ahead. Well. And more people were watching. We have that muscle. It's just not very big. Yeah, we're working on it. It's repetition.

just like meditation. How long have you known, Larry? 30, 40 years maybe? Yeah. No, it'd be upper 30s. And you can still surprise each other not knowing where a joke's coming from. Oh, by the way, we laugh all day long every day on camera and off camera all day. And by the way, you know, certain people have certain people's numbers. I have Larry David's number. I make him laugh all day long, which is fun. great fun we've just spent a season together i'm happy to go a nice month without seeing him now

yeah that makes you know it's like it's like um we need a break a break is good i have a friend who's really fucking bone dry and it's almost hard to be around him because he's so negative and dry and just you know he doesn't feel like being here that type of thing any tips for dealing with somebody like that by the way you know you're saying that jokingly because clearly you're talking about making. The point being is I find in life, what works for me now is either it bothers me or it doesn't bother me. And if it bothers me, change has to come. And if it's something where I go, no, man, you can, you don't even have to even say anything. Just deal with it. And I go and I go with that. That's the key to that's how I'm able to even remotely have a relationship.

Who would be more classy about a Super Bowl? Would it be a Jets fan who's weighted eons or a Bears fan who's waited? Classy? Yeah. Who would wear it was more powerful? Bears fan. Because, I mean, the Jets fans, it's, I, by the way, the Jets are maybe one of the only organizations that's been worse than the Bears.

Like it was last season, when y'all fucking Sam Darnold made his way into the script, I was like, I cannot imagine a more. terrifying thing than like cozying up to a show that you like to watch and larry says your name and you're just like fuck dude what's about that oh that we made fun of last season the jets right the guy the guy died because he was a jet's fan yeah oh they killed him yeah but no the jets I watched larry live and die with the jets it's painful how much do you miss bob I mean Bob Einstein oh yeah here's how much I miss bob I miss bob I miss bob Every single day at work or not, something comes up where I think of him.

He, that was, that's the only, look, we've taken hard hits on curb and different things, but that was the hardest one to deal with because he was our great friend, one of my best friends, one of Larry's best friends. He was beloved. And, and also at lunch, the dude had stories about everything. So that was and still is extremely hard, extremely hard because he was, he was in the hospital with pneumonia. And he left me a message saying, I'll be back. I'm so excited.

I'll be back. And then he was dead a month later because they discovered the cancer and boom, he was gone. What made him so funny? Because like to you, I mean, people are funny for different reasons of different people. but he's just so effortless. It's so relatively funny. By the way, you said, let's go back to the effortless. Yeah.

Funny people, we recognize each other. It's almost like carnie folk. You know, it's like, I know you're so, what made him funny was that he was funny. So many people who do what I do are not funny. Parcells was talking about somebody. I don't know who. And he was saying about this player,

he just loves football. He plays football because he loves football. And not because of what football brings to him. The majority of people, I'd say at least two thirds, who do what I do, do it because of what comedy brings to them, whether it's money, fame, the social media aspect getting late. I don't know what. But I do it.

Bob Einstein does it. Larry David does it because it's, what we do. We have no choice. It's just what we do. It's our skill set. You know, so what made Bob Einstein funny? Him being funny. And also what I loved about him was his irreverence because I'm pretty irreverent and I was nothing compared to him. He just let it fly. How do you guys walk that line? Because it's increasingly, I mean, maybe it's not increasingly tougher. All right. Well, that's a great question because it goes back to what I just said. If you're funny, you've got nothing to worry about.

Nothing to worry about. It's the fuckers that aren't funny. And it's also, you work for a company and on your Facebook page, you put something up that the whole world finds offensive except for a few mentally challenged people. And your boss fires you and then you're pissed because of freedom of speech. No, freedom of speech is you can put that up and no one's going to arrest you. Yeah.

But your boss might go, we don't want that here. Yeah. Declaration of Independence, it doesn't say they won't fire you from Bass Pro Shops, man. Like you just. Exactly. By the way, what if you're like anti-fish and you're in Bass Pro Shops? Your whole Twitter page is about fishing sucks. I hate fishing.

Well, you're going to get fired, you idiot. Not to mention a whole big rack of guns back there. Fishing guns. There was so little to do in Foxborough when I played for the Patriots that, no offense to Foxborough. pro. I took my son Waylon at that point. It was like one or two. We would go to Bass Pro shops. By the way, Bass Pro Shops are a great place to take little boys. Girls too would depend on to that. You know, but it's a great. My kids loved it. My father, my former father-in-law, he used to love to take the kids there. My dad loved to take, like, his grandchildren there. No, it's a, but in terms of what you asked,

there is nothing for anyone who is funny to be afraid of. Nothing. Because if you're funny, you'll offend somebody, but it'll be somebody without a sense of humor. You won't be offending somebody because they, you know, who's got a sense of humor. Anyone with a sense of humor will keep loving all their favorite comedians because they're funny. Okay, here's a poorly worded question. Why would you start that way? Set the bar low. I'd like to set the bar low.

Are you hoping I go, hey, that wasn't poorly worded? Yeah, I guess. You said he had a great question earlier, and I want you to say, you know, that was not poorly worded, or maybe it was, but you're getting that something great. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'd be better if you just did it and I did it without saying anything, just like what just occurred. Go ahead, Deo. I have heard you say in multiple different places, heard you talk about humility and being humble and how that is important to you. So important. Will you expound here on humility? Well, no, I was talking about it earlier. I mean, really, the combination that you want when you do what I do, that you want or you aspire to, is to be supremely confident combined with being humble,

being, in other words, being grateful for all your opportunities, but knowing what you do, knowing what your skill set is and how good you are and your value, so important. So my question to you is, where does ego come in on that? It shouldn't come in anywhere. So if someone says, I think you stink, I go, hey, enjoy whatever, go enjoy whatever comedian you like, whatever music you like. We all like different music. And sometimes we think, people think Bob Dylan's voice is horrible. To me, it's like an angel. Right. You know, it's like it's all, you just got to do what you do and be grateful for getting the opportunity to do it. That's the humble part. Okay, favorite Bob Dylan song and then. Oh, geez.

I guess tangled up in blue. I'm sorry to go so obvious. No, it's... But, I mean, that album, I mean, but I love everything Dylan does. North Country Fair with Johnny Cash. Oh, yeah. For me. With that, I'm a big bowl with you and I love Johnny Cash, too.

Hell yeah. Yeah, my son's name is Wayland, so there's a little... Oh, by the way, Shooter Jennings is a good friend of mine. Shooter is... He's really carved out his own road. I love kind of what he does. He most certainly is. And by the way, best guy ever.

Yeah. Best guy ever. That's what I hear. That's what I hear. Last question. And then we'll get you out of here. Yeah. Speaking of a big game, we talked about bass pro shops and shit like that, that black swan.

How was that shot? Where did you find the swan? We shot it at Mountain Gate, uh, country club off Sepulveda here in L.A. And, uh, I don't know. I know I know I, by the way, the only thing I really remember, I mean, I remember the fake dead one on top of the golf cart. The live ones, I was there when we were shooting and they were kind of all over the place. But you know what?

We loved it and we had fun, but we have no idea it's going to be iconic or historic. We have no idea. As a matter of fact, I remember we filmed that on my son, my older son, James' birthday. He comes to the set. He watched a little bit. He only wanted to go to craft service. He wanted the snacks at craft service. He doesn't give her crap that it's the black swan.

episode and even looking back you'll probably have memories of m&Ms i love i love that episode but you just never know we're probably right which ones are going to be good and which ones aren't yeah you don't know jeff garland appreciate you so much man uh i know you oh man i dug this you're you're you both are great thanks man making making a little less dry and a little and a little less with the con with the saying things like just do what you do a little less like on the surfboard in the forgetting Sarah Marshall. Oh, hold on. Jeff.

Don't think as much, yes. Hey, as an icebreaker at my wedding. I just let him go. I dismissed him, dude. I thanked the members of Illinois's law enforcement community for joining us as a joke. That was my joke. And I got a big laugh. Do you think, do you find that funny?

The Blues Brothers, yes. Chicago. Yeah. Well, hold on. Orange Whip. Orange Whip. Who wants an orange whip? They're orange Whips.

By the way, the Blues Brothers was the movie. I knew I wanted to be a comedian when I was very little, eight years old. But the Blues Brothers, which I saw in 11th grade, that was really the moment when I was like, nope, I'm on a mission from God. I told my friends, they go, what's your mission? I go, I'm going to be a famous comedian. I told them that.

You don't know. That just saved his day. I love it. Yeah, but that's true. Good. Yeah. Appreciate you so much. Hope you come back again, man.

I appreciate it. Thank you. So that was fun. What a pod, huh? Is that, is that it? The end of the pod? Yeah. Yeah.

Jalen Rose. Jeff Garland. We can't do like a... Your humor and you just hold your tenor is moist right now. You got a moist tenor. Thanks to Jeff Garland. I'm trying to be less dry. Knock, knock. Your face was like the John Cena Giff where they make his face like retreat and disappear into his face.

Really? Well, no, you didn't look like he... The fact that he was thinking about my comedy, that's all I needed. It's like coaching. Right. Here's a deal. He just interviewed us. goes without saying, I think you're funnier than me.

Oh, thanks. Yeah. But he was asking us questions. So technically it was like a dual interview. It was a conversation. There was a conversation. We were interviewed. This is the first time on this show.

But I thought him coaching you is akin to when a coach says like, dude, when I stop coaching you, that means I don't care. He cares. And that's how I took it. By the way, though, I wasn't, I didn't think I was trying to be funny at any point. So that was just me. So here's a little clue in. So that's how I.

Well, Godly, I've only said it for a few years now. Like you could use. use a little like turn the bit off at times and then to which you'll say like it's not really a bit and I'll be like it's hard for people to read you yeah you're hard to read yeah you're like a newspaper with a tiny font tiny newspaper font boy John Cena face boy oh John Cena hit us you've been hitting that pen a little too much oh have I I just conducted a great dual interview everybody else have a great fucking weekend y'all take care