Green Light with Chris Long - Jared Goff Details Lions' Offense, Best Offensive Coordinator Traits & Amon-Ra St. Brown

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

Jared Goff, the field general of the Detroit Lions joins Chris after Lions training camp practice to discuss the Lions 2026 outlook, offensive play calling systems and his chemistry with Jameson Williams and Amon-Ra St. Brown. Jared has brought a new wave of success to Detroit, along with Dan Campbell, and they hope to take that success a step further this season with a spot in Super Bowl LXI. (00:00) - Intro (01:45) - Success with Detroit Lions (05:17) - Lions' Elite Play-calling (09:25) - Lions Offense (13:50) - Jack Campbell & Facing Lions Defense (16:54) - Facing the Minnesota Vikings (18:45) - Jared Goff's Gloves (20:10) - Relationship with Mark Brunell (21:43) - Micah Parsons & Aaron Donald Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline presented by Zone Nicotine and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open: ‪[phone]‬ With the return of the Layup Line, make sure to check out the playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=YP1-ffQ3T_yUDRnJRhDtOw Check out Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's start with Aaron. How many snaps a game you think you can give the Rams this year if he comes back? Hopefully zero. The good ones I've been with every time they sent a play in, it was like we're going to score. You know, it feels like that coming into the helmet. That confidence from them comes into me and then hopefully into the whole huddle and goes from there. I have a hard time with that because it's like I'm visualizing how I want to throw the football. It doesn't always come out on the same way. Yeah, yeah.

The same way I had envisioned. You got to change the precision passing. They have like a drop down for that. Got one of the best. us. Jared Goff. It's, it's been a long time, man. I hadn't seen you as we played against each other when you were a young guy, dude. Yeah, right. Shoot, probably Philly. I mean, I probably had you in New England early. Philly, New England. My first year in New England, I believe. Well, they were 16. Well, yeah, in New England, and it just goes to show you how different things can be for a guy.

Because, like, you were under siege. You were under siege. The first year, a little bit. Yeah, it was, it was tough. And, yeah, I was kind of figuring out trial by fire and had those last seven games of the season. I tell people I played Miami in the first game. And I think we had New Orleans game two. Yeah. And then we had you guys on the road. Yeah. Like my third game in my career at New England, you know, the whole thing. And yeah. And it was coming from everywhere. We had some interesting pressure packages. Oh man. It was I mean stuff I'd never seen before and maybe haven't seen since. Well, now you get B-Flow twice a year. Yeah. No, that's fun. I know. That's great. Well, it's good to see it and it's been fun to watch. And it's just been cool going from,

Hey, I remember when the Rams came to town right after you switched teams and you guys, you played your ass off. And I was like, man, wouldn't it be cool if he becomes like the long term answer in Detroit and full circle to, to Dan loving you up after that playoff game and the whole thing, man, it's been cool. But when did you know you had something here? Because, you know, there's a moment. That's a good question. We started off the season one and six in 2022 coming off of three and 13.

So it was like, you know, really low. Yeah. As low as it gets. And we strung some together. We went to Green Bay at that last game of that year, and we won the game, eliminating them from the playoffs, giving us a winning season, 9 and 8. We didn't make the playoffs, but it was kind of like, oh, okay, like, we can win that game on the road, under the lights. Had a lot of guys returning. We knew, okay, like, we can really do this in that next year.

I believe we went 12 and 5 or 11 and 6 or something, and then had that playoff game, and that was another moment of like, we can really do this. We beat Tampa, go to San Francisco, don't win that game. but that's, you know, at all, those two games in those two years. You kind of being the elder statesman, being a little bit, getting up there where you, you've, you've seen a lot of football. Yeah. Shit, you ain't, you ain't. It's funny.

When does it, when does it switch from like your, like, you're 29? 29, okay. Yeah, how do you know? I'm 31. Yeah, you're in. But for quarterback, it might be slid a little bit. No, it's, it's higher for quarterback. But, you know, me, I started running in place around 30.

I started, they called me center blocks, you know, because I had center blocks. center blocks weights on my feet. But you tell these young guys probably, you know, they get in the league and they think, hey, our team's really good. We're going to be in it every year. You take that for granted. I always think back to Dan's press conference after the NFC championship game. And you guys are certainly good enough.

The ball didn't bounce your way. But, you know, Dan at the podium saying, hey, man, like there's no promise we get back here. Like, that's a sobering thing that, like, I feel like only a player coach can tell you. Right. Yeah. And he's seen it a million times, right?

And you've seen a million times. It's hard, really hard to get to that point. you need things to go your way. You certainly need to stay healthy. You need to play well. You need to be a good team. You need to be well coach. But there are certain dominoes that need to fall your way.

And yeah, we're trying to get back there. We are. And I looked up yesterday and I'm the oldest guy on the team. And like, it's like, holy smokes. Like, you know, I remember when I was younger, like, who's the oldest guy on the team? And like, you're like, oh, man, that guy's old. And now I'm like, do you guys feel that way about me?

But I think as you get older, you start to take these opportunities less for granted. I feel like I'm on a really good team, a team that can win the Super Bowl. And it's like go time. There's no time to waste. And I know I'm urging about it and trying to make sure those young guys understand that like you're saying. Well, you got a lot of pieces back. I mean, it's like same crew largely, but pet sing's here. And I always really liked watching pet sing in Arizona.

I thought he got a raw deal personnel-wise a year ago. But when they were humming, their run game. And I know you're trying to get back to that was a big part of it. a lot of tight ends, that sort of thing. Like, what are the things that maybe have surprised you a little bit about Drew's offense or what are things that you're excited about? I think I'm most excited about his variability. Like, he has, I think he gets this, like, a notion that he was like a tight end guy.

They had Trey McBride. Yeah, he's a stud. Probably one of the best players on their team, so they were going to feed him. And Sam's one of our best players, so we will feed him. But we have guys that seems like every skill position on offense. So we've got a lot of variability on who we can get the ball, do and how we want to get it to him. I think that's where you can kind of see his genius come in where he's able to move guys, put him in different spots, move around the formation, motion shift,

the whole thing, and create advantages in our way. And yeah, man, it's been fun to work with him. He's had a lot of, like you said, good things he did in Arizona that he's brought here and then learning a lot of the stuff that we did. What's the difference? Because you've had two, anybody would call him elite play callers and McVeigh and Ben and they've got branches of their trees and you see guys getting hired every year. And now the coordinators are getting younger and younger. Yeah, I know. David Blow. I do. That's raised your age. My teammate two years ago. That's crazy. I know.

I play with Sean Mannion. Yeah. He's got the whole fate to the Eagles. Sean was with me for two and a half years. Sean's the man. He's the best. But you know, it never ceases to amaze me. Just like, one guy gets hot and you're like, do you know that guy? Like, you spent time with Ben Johnson? Like, you're hired. But I know it's not that simple. And I guess this is more of a macro question about offensive coordinators. Like, you could give the guy Ben Johnson's playbook or you could give a guy McVeigh's playbook

but what are the soft touch kind of nuances that go into being a great coordinator that fans and players maybe even defensive players don't see like there's a lot more to it than just I got the playbook man right I think I mean Sean and Ben and Drew has a lot of this as well

like the preparation and like you can feel the preparation yeah is the first thing and then the standard that they held got they hold guys to. I think that's before they even call a play. Like that's like number one of being able to do that at a high level is hard. And it's not it's not like everyone can be a leader, you know? Like you have to have a certain presence to you.

You have to be accountable to yourself and be respectful. But at the same time, hold these really elite players to a high level. And then I think on game day, a lot of it is feel. A lot of it is you can't put your finger on it. But I think a lot of it is sending it in with confidence, if that makes sense. at least from a quarterback's perspective. I felt like the good ones I've been with every time they sent a play in,

it was like we're going to score. You know, it feels like that coming into the helmet. And that confidence from them comes into me and then hopefully into the whole huddle and goes from there. I wish there was more that I could give you there, but it's very nuanced. And it's hard to put your finger on.

Some guys have it and some guys don't. And I think it's hard to like learn it. And communication for any kind. Yeah, very clear. Social intelligence. That's a big one. You know what I mean? Exactly.

Knowing like which guy can I motherfucker? Yes. Yeah. Are we censored here? We fuck no or not. Which guy can I motherfucker? And then which guy can I? Do I can't do that too?

Because he'll go in the tank. That's an elite level leadership trait that those guys you like them to have. It helps a lot when they know. And then the feel like you're on the field and you feel like St. Brown's hot. It's like beat them. How can we get it to them? Get creative.

Move them around. We had one in practice. the other day. He was hot and we were in a live period, live tackle and it was like, how can we get him the ball? Gibbs wasn't in at this point and they're like, put Stain the back field, half back choice. And like we hadn't practiced

that. But it was just like, you know, being smart in the moment, hey, we just want to get St. the ball. He caught it on 3rd and 5 and scored from like to 15. And just like stuff like that, it's good. It's fun. Little wrinkles. Yeah, it's, you got to have a right feel though. It's hard to explain. We're out here on our training camp tour. We are in

Detroit, Michigan, the Motorist, city. This is a tough, rugged football team, and it's a tough rugged city. And you know what else is tough and rugged? My canes. We've been giving out the canes here to some of the individuals on the defensive line, Aidan Hutchinson and crew. And everybody's really excited when they get some free canes. I know I am when I get my new canes. I got a couple pairs. They're great for these guys when they get off the field. They really are good support for your feet. Like it feels like actually better than wearing a pair of sneakers and they're soft at the same time and breathable and the whole thing. So they're perfect for walking around a locker room, which I don't do much anymore.

So for me, I'm walking around the house. I'm chasing my kids. I'm on the river. They got little holes in them. So, you know, the water rushes through and they're nice and comfortable. They're perfect on the boat. They're perfect land, air, sea. I don't know.

What do you want? The canes got it all. And these football players love them. So it's great to see other players share a passion for Kane's footwear. I certainly do. When you guys are playing Lions football, and you guys are really leaning on people, can you feel it late in drives?

You see the body language change. You see guys sucking wind. Yeah, I think, yes. If we're playing the way we want to play, we're running the ball downhill and getting play action off of it, explosives and catching run in the past game. And, you know, I'm hitting guys in stride. and hopefully they're getting up the field.

But I think back to last year we're playing Baltimore. I think we had two 16 play drives or something like that. Yes. And I'm sure they were conditioned and I'm sure they did everything right in the training camp. But we felt like our preparation was so great that at the end of those drives, it was just like duo one more time, duo, one more time, duo. And we scored. And I think those are the times where you think back to times like now

where you're like, I'm glad we did all that. And again, I'm standing there handing off the ball. So I'm not really a part of it like you guys were. But I get to see it from a very first hand perspective where the D-line is getting heavy. I'm telling our guys, hey, guys, I know. I know you guys are tired, but they're more tired than we are. So keep leaning on them. And I think about that one.

And you guys, you're the counter puncher, though. I mean, as soon as you lean them and all of a sudden that that chunk play comes, it's just demoralizing. It is. It is. And that's where like the play action, I try to take pride in that. We're like, okay, we've ran the ball so well. now it's time to do my part.

Yeah. Find somebody over the middle, find somebody down the field where hopefully I can score. The O-Lignment loves nothing more than long touchdowns. Yes. Or one play drives. Yes, that's great. So if I can like, I'll try to tell, hey, guys,

block this one will score. Yeah. You know, like we're on the plus 30 and I feel like it's going to score. Just one more guys, I promise. We're going to score on this play. Yeah. There's a few guys, if anybody better than you at turning their back to defense. It's kind of, it feels like a lost art.

You know, the way thing. And I do think we've talked a lot about this on the show recently, but I feel like everything's cyclical in the NFL. I feel like now to protect some of these quarterbacks that are getting. It feels like it's coming back a little bit. Yeah, like we're going under center more. We're going away from the QB run stuff. So no QB keepers for you this year.

Okay. I'll have a few. We'll see. But what's the key to turning you back to the defense and taking that pre-snap, you know, snapshot? And then, you know, you're playing some teams like Minnesota. And you might turn around and it's a totally different look. It is. It's hard.

It's only getting harder. It seems like where, you know, it used to be Seattle cover three. They show you cover three. They're in cover three. Yeah. From there, it was a lot of quarters and cover two. And it's like very easily to see it now. Now it seems like everyone's kind of running a little bit of everything.

And yeah, to your point, turning your back, you think you know what it is. You turn around something different. I don't know. I've always had a good knack for it. I had really good coaches my first year doing it in L.A. with Sean, Matt LaFleurra, coach Greg Olson, guys that had done it with the year before, previously, Kirk Cousins in Washington, Matt Ryan and Julio. So I had a lot of good tape and good coaches to learn from and taught me a ton about, you know, snapping my head around and all that and, you know, where to look pre-snap on your way out.

You can catch a peak of if the half field safety is going to the half, all that type of stuff. I don't know. It's, it feels like a lost art, but I try to stay on it and see if I can try to be the best guy. You mentioned the floor. You see it would love. Yeah. You know. He was instrumental for me as a young player and teaching me, show snap shrink is what.

he always used to say show snap shrink. Yeah. And then how quick can you get your eyes around? And we had a lot of success together. What's the key to throwing that dig as well as you do? Boy, that's a thing of beauty. Yeah, I've got good receivers who come back to the football. Honestly, it's a lot of trust.

That's what Rahman Ross said. What do you say? No, he was like, yeah, it's just all me. Yeah, no, I bet. No, he didn't say that. I'm able to have really, really good anticipation because of the way these guys are running the routes. Him in particular comes back to the football. Yeah.

which is hard to do at receiver and he does it every single time. So I can trust him when I throw it in there. Jamo the same way, Laporta, Tesla, all these guys have that. And our big bodies who catch it away from themselves. That makes it really easy to anticipate. I played with Teddy Bridgewater a few times now. But the first time I played with him, he throws the early dagger better than anyone I got around. He was in North Turner System when he was younger.

And that's what they do. They throw it off one hitch, dagger off one hitch. And I watched him do it in practice. I'm like, how the hell are you doing that early with anticipation? So I tried some of it and got a little better at it. And yeah, so I learned to learn a little bit from Teddy V. We talked to Jack Campbell last year here. What a stud.

What a great dude. But a huge wingspan for a guy in the middle of the field. That's got to make a big difference playing a guy that's rangy but also really long like that. You know, you practice against him. How much harder does that make it having those bigger guys in the middle of the field? Yeah, it does. like you say he's long so like I can get it over his head but like side to side on him is really hard yeah like if I'm trying to hit a window he's just that he's he's able to cover both it seems

I'll joke with him I'm like just keep backing up I'm gonna keep throwing it over your head if you don't get deeper and uh so he'll get deep and I'll try to hit the shallow in front of him and you know he's getting all frustrated but a frustrating game he's he's fun to practice against me he's damn good and um he makes it really hard on me and he's starting to um understand coverage as he gets as he gets older and like where I'm trying to get the ball and he's starting to bait me into things and it's fun. Can you teach me like for dummies how to read the middle triangle? Because you know, I play a lot of Madden.

Yeah. And I read a lot of. Madden's way. I do a lot of pre-snap. I almost feel like it must be easier in the pocket than look at him. Matton's hard. I have a hard time with Madden because it's like I'm trying to, you know, I'm visualizing how I want to throw the football.

It doesn't always come out on the same way. Yeah, yeah. The same way I had envisioned it. You got to change the precision passing. You have like a drop down for that. Well, I mean, if it's cover three, you got your two hook players underneath. Yes. You've got a shallow going to one of them.

Yes. Should hold that guy. Yes. You've got a deep hook, you know, over the ball or over the middle in some way. And then, you know, another shallow or a burst from your running back going the other way. And you've got two on three. You know, you've got two guys low and one guy in the middle. And hopefully they can't cover all three of them.

And typically across the board. But you want to hold a hook player, hold a hook player, and throw it down the middle. All right, I should be undefeated now. I'm here in Detroit at Detroit Lions Camp, and Dan Campbell runs a tough ship. I mean, these guys are practicing really hard. And when you practice really hard, you have to recover. And I'm not practicing very hard anymore,

but I need recovery as a 41-year-old man and create these hydration packets that, you know, they've got five grams of creatine in there. The whole nine yards, like the electrolytes, it's one packet, it's easy, it's grab and go. I got a lot of kids at home and busy schedules, so sometimes I forget to take my supplements. But now when it's just a packet of creatine and all that other good stuff,

and Create has definitely changed the game for me post-playing. It's harder at this age, keep muscle on and have a hard time keeping weight on anyways. The creatine makes a big difference and creates perfect. It's perfect for me. And I know these guys in the locker rooms here could use some Create as well. We'll see if maybe we can hand some of this stuff out before. we leave, but a great product, very pragmatic. And it's the most studied supplement ever.

Creatine. Everybody should be on it and create is my preferred method of consumption. What's the most obscene thing that you've seen B-Flow do post-snap? Oh, God. Like, what's the like, what, like, are you kidding me? Because just to be able to play Tampa, too, with the way he does from, like, I've seen him play, they're mugged up and Mattelis is like. Yeah.

And like Harrison and Mattelis, allowed them to do things that I'm not sure every other team could do. Those guys are so smart and so confident and what they want to do that they are able to hold down and get out of there at the snap. And with not no repercussion, but they know where their problems are

and they understand the game in that way, which makes it really hard. You know, I don't know. I mean, Harrison's been doing it for years where he stands in the line of scrimmage and plays the deep third. And I'm like, there's no way we can allow him to do that.

Yeah, like that's crazy. You can't let him get away with this. You can let him get away with this. But yet he's a, he just keeps getting, He's a gold jacket guy, in my opinion. He's been doing it for, I don't know, 12 years.

I agree. How long has Harrison been playing? Yeah. Got me on one last year. And yeah, it's really fun playing against him. It's very hard. It is challenging, but it is really fun. That chess match and the work that goes into that.

What's Tesla got to do to take the next step? He had a good year last year. Every time he touched the ball, something good happened. A great play at the pylon today. Yeah, you saw that, yeah. Kind of just showcases when he's at his best. but like, you know, I asked Tom and Rob about this. I'm curious what your answer would be.

Yeah, I think he's really good at what you saw today. Yes. Like, that's his game and he can do that at an elite level. It's developing the rest of it. And he's really taking a big step this year so far and anticipate him being a big part of what we do. But he's done a good job of being intentional every day about getting better at something.

And that's all you can ask for. And another guy, like you said, the big inn where it's, you know, with his big body and his speed and the way he catches away from his body, really hard to cover. when he does it right you guys were in a practicing in a monsoon dan doesn't you saw that yeah i was out there dude i was like a week i was like i think i see some lightning like yeah yeah yeah like we used to hate going inside the big guys because it's hard on your body but but i mean the people with the football i would want to be inside you're in the nfc north you have to play in some some elements man like

what as a quarterback what's the the key to playing better in the extreme cold or the wind or even you know handling a wet ball. For us, it's going to be Chicago and Green Bay on the road. Sometimes they're early. I think this year they're both late. Yeah. And then we'll get one. Oh, great.

You're like, oh, great. No, it's okay. Yeah. I honestly, I've had these gloves where I had them on for like a minute today. I took them off. When I'm in cold or wet and I put those on, it feels like it's really. There's nothing different. And there's no downside to having the glow.

Zero. Yeah. I really feel like no difference. A little thing I found. I've probably found it in like college and maybe a little bit used it early in my career in the NFL. But now I just don't even think twice. If it's below a certain temperature or it's raining or snow and they're on and it. It feels like the ball. It feels like it feels like it shouldn't be allowed how good it feels in my head. Like it's just it's just leather on leather and it feels

great. That's crazy. Two coaches I wanted to ask you about I was looking at your see you got a great staff man. Tashar Choice is the man by the way. I love Tashar choice. He was my ACC brother way back in the day. But you got David Shaw and Mark Brunel. Yep. And I feel like for a lot of quarterbacks, they might have, I mean, not that quarterback coach isn't always the most important position, but like I remember it being some, you know, some guy that didn't play or something. Right.

But you've got a dude that was an incredible player. Yep. How much does it help having those different personalities on staff? And what can you take from those guys? It helps a ton. I think you're right. We do have a great staff. And Brew has been my quarterback coach here for this will be our six year together.

And to have a guy like you're saying, that's had that elite level success and to be able to ask him certain questions. that I can't ask anyone else that hasn't sat in my shoes, you know, whatever part of your career and you're winning or you're losing or the team needs this or the team needs that. And he has an answer. He's been through it all. And he's seen it. He's been a starter. He's been a backup. He's had great success. He's had tough times. Like he's seen all of it. And he's able to relay a lot of that to me. And I lean on him heavily for that. With Coach Shaw, he's just so here. And it's so nice having a guy that doesn't do that at all. And I can get kind of, uh, He's kind of a sounding board for me where if I don't want to go to a decision maker on a question, you know, I can go to him and he can give me feedback in a way that is either honest or something I need to hear. Yes. You know,

we can have a conversation that's I don't necessarily want to have with everybody, I guess. Yes. Because if you have the conversation with everybody, maybe they're worried about a concept or. Right. They think they're certainly about what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. that's cool man he provides a lot of clarity in our offense and I think he's great for Drew as well and has been great for me two rushes I want to ask you about Micah Parsons you're like great he's showing up in Green Bay now how does he change the math for you guys yeah and then the second one will be the last one will be our friend Aaron Donald oh yeah I had a feeling that would come up let's start with Aaron how how many how many snaps a game you think he can give the Rams this year if he comes back hopefully zero well he looks man, in that playoff game, we beat him, and I'm like, we did it.

Aaron's done. Yeah. I don't have to see him ever again. He's like Jason. And he's like, hold on. I might come back. So we'll see. If he comes back, I'm sure he'll help them.

And yeah, he's a great player. He might see him down the line. Yeah, hopefully see him in the playoffs. And yeah, he's, I can't say enough good things about him. He's a great. He's a great leader. Works as hard as anybody I've ever been around. Honestly, reminds me a lot of St.

Brown. Yes. The way that they operate off the field on the field and like a switch turns when they cross the lines and don't care if it's a high school or across from him or an all pro he's going to beat their ass that's how it felt with Aaron every every day and he learned a lot from him as like as the way he worked and trying to match that in a lot of ways were you there when he hit a guy with the guy's face mask we ripped the guy's face mask up and beat him up with it yeah were you weren't there no it was after me but I knew all the characters involved I think I was a rookie or my

second year training camp scuffle and it was probably an undrafted guy that he was just kicking his ass all day if I can imagine and they all get in there there and Aaron, you know, he always used to do that. He used to just grab their face mask and like, I'm going to talk to you for a minute. You know, like we're going to just so you can feel. So you can feel me. And they get in the scuffle and they come out and the kid, I don't remember who it was.

He's doing this and he's got the hell on with no face mask. And Aaron just like, Aaron just like spikes the face mask. And I'm like, oh shit, he pulled that thing off the hinges. Like the sandlot dog. Yeah. He just ripped it straight off his face. And everyone's kind of like, is that just like, like this thing's got like, like, titanium hinges on it, he just ripped it right off.

But he looked like a 1930s football player with no face mask. Yes, he looked like he was lost. Looking around, he's like, wait, where's my face mask at? All right, so Micah Parsons, how does he change the math? Aaron's going to stay retired. Aaron, you're done. Mike is incredible. Yeah, I mean, I've been playing against him since he was in Dallas for years.

His get-off is so good. His smarts, his speed. I think that's the main thing is his speed probably, and that he can track guys down. Like the play's not over when he gets around the tackle. Yeah, he's right back in the play. And certainly aware of him on every play, chips or whatever we end up doing with him.

He's absolutely a problem, but we'll make sure we take care of it. Man, you just shake him off, man. Shake him off and throw a bomb. He got me a couple times last year. It's all good. Well, hey, Jared, appreciate you joining us. I hope you have a great year, man.

Thank you so much. For real. Yeah. Yeah, good to see you.