Green Light with Chris Long - Jason Kelce! Lane Johnson! Jordan Mailata! Brent Celek! RV Trip with Chris & Beau!

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

It's a Birds episode! Jordan Mailata, Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce and Brent Celek join Chris Long and Beau Allen in the RV! First, Jordan and Lane talk about the Eagles OLine, Jalen Carter, Lane's career at Kilgore College, Jordan's introduction into the NFL and the toughest edge rushers. Then Jason and Brent find their way on the RV and talk adjustments in retirement, Brent's scouting career, Jason's on TV, the Olympics and getting to BS with your teammates. (00:00) - Intro (2:15) - Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailata Talk Eagles O-line, Protecting Jalen Hurts and 2024 NFL Season (36:51) - Jason Kelce and Brent Celek Talk Eagles Outlook, Kelce's Television Career and Retirement Tips Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I still remember selling, at some point last year, we're like at practice and we're talking. And he said, like, you know what's like crazy? I like watch what these guys are doing and can't imagine doing this anymore. Like the physicality. Like the physicality of it is just like. Wait, just wait till you're watching these games and these dudes are getting smoked. I can't believe I did it. Well, you know how you come out like often like a long I are and then come in and work you out in the bubble to see if you can come back?

like hide you from the media like I remember and they bring like some big P squad guy in their full pads you're like hit him I remember they did that like they're coming off a broken leg and I was like god damn dude holy shit welcome to the green light podcast the boys are on the road we are in the RV whipping it from town to town we've got a couple eagles on the show today lane johnson jordan mylotta joined chris and beau lane weighs in on his Hall of Fame conversation. Is he in? Does he need a couple more years? Jordan talks about his transition from rugby into the NFL. Chris even has a great story about Jordan being drafted to the Eagles in 2018. And then we've got Jason Kelsey and Brent Selick. They joined Chris and Bo. It's a full

RV party. They're messing around bullshit and they were like, hey, let's just jump on the RV and record this. So it's a great conversation between a couple retired NFLEs, Eagles players. They talk about the Eagles this season, but they also get into Jason's travels to the Olympics. Brent Selig's scouts. outing for the Eagles. They talk about the best and worst of being retired. What falls are like as a retired NFL athlete. And how much fun they had playing football together. It's a blast of an episode.

We have a really good time. We have some great stuff coming out for you next week. We go to another training camp. You'll hear all about it. Make sure you tune in. We'll catch you then. Gentlemen, I said we got the two most famous tackles in the NFL and the RV. And you said what?

We corrected him and said two most stressed. Are you guys stressed? His new offense, is that stressful? I'm always paranoid. Yeah, it's not really stressful. Our system is stressful. Yeah. Everything carried out of pretty easily.

Is it like, like what? Yeah, I mean, it's all the same stuff, but sometimes we'll have a quick version of like a play action. We'll have a quick version of like Jet. Yeah. And I think it's a lot more mixing than maybe what it's been, like probably since Chip was here. Yeah. Whenever Chip was here, we ran a lot of quick jump set. type of stuff.

How's, um, how's we talk a little bit about, uh, Huff? He's fat. Yeah. They play it. They go with his electric. Yeah. I think I saw something last year like where his, his, his first, um, his five yards was like him and Miles Garrett. Really?

And you can feel that when he gets off the ball. Yeah, he's just fast. Stress is you right. Yeah. Well, he does a good job, you know, with the cross chop, because he can gain those few steps inside and get a tackle the lean, and then hop out. Did you really click with that? That dude's a bit. I mean, I stood next to him of practice.

Yeah, he's bigger. He's 2.65. He's built like a brick shit house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He looks like a running back. Yeah.

He looks like a 6-3 Boston Scott. Yeah, 630 Boston Scott. Do you miss Boston Scott? Yes. I love Boston. Where's he in L.A.? Yeah. These are the Rams.

Yeah. So what about the, I saw Nolan Smith after practice. And the buzz is. like that guy's made a big jump physically. Well, I remember last year when he got here, it was like, hey, it's going to be a year. Yeah. But he looks pretty good? Yeah, he's definitely stronger.

You know, Saviour, I think he has like a plan, like when he rushes people now. And then just like his effort, like he's a guy that never stops. So sometimes he'll chase a guy all the way to the opposite, you know, sideline and just run the whole hoop. Yeah. He's one of those guys that's going to make a lot of plays off of that, too. It's just pure effort. All right. So enough about the Eagles right now, Lane, we did some research.

As people know, like Lane comes on the show a lot, so I run out of fucking questions. So I did a deep dive on Kilgore Juko. You want to talk to me about Kilgore Juko? What kind of place that was? Yeah, it was a place of, they called it the MTXE, mental toughness extra effort. That was on her helmet. And, hey, I didn't get to the XE, son. It was all mental toughness.

It was, uh, yeah, I mean, it was my only, it was my only toughness. shot. I mean, really, all the people to go there, they either didn't qualify or they went to Division 1, flunked out, have to get, you know. Last chance of you before a chance. Yeah, exactly. You know, I thought it was very accurate how they betrayed it because it is survival

to fittest. You know, you have guys they walk around with like Florida, Texas Tech, pretty much where they want to be. They're like advertising. But yeah, I had a so-so year I kind of rotated a quarterback and then I played tight-in. But, yeah, I saw,

saw some things there that I've never seen before. Talk to me about a thing called the carpet gym. What? Yeah, you haven't heard this? Well, it was a gymnasium and for the floor it was a concrete with a carpet on it. Oh my God. And tell me what happened at the carpet. So that's been in the toughness right there.

No, but I heard about a certain punishment. Oh yeah, no, they had, they just had certain stations and yeah, man, it's like you were going to make guys quit. Well, usually we would start the season with like way over like what we're going to allow on the roster. So we had to get rid of like 50 guys. And so the first two days, bro, everybody was he was trying to make people. He was trying to kill people. We had a thing called screaming cats where if you were late to a class or you're a felon or anything disciplinary, they'd make you hang from a chain link fence with your hands and your toes. They called screaming cats and you had to hang for time. How long? I heard 30 minutes. I don't know that long. I may be.

No wonder who's got that grip strength, bro. When you're you're But when you hear that, dude's hanging, what year is this? For me, what year? Yeah, what year are people hanging from their fingers and toes on a chain-linked fence? Is it acceptable? Maybe the Sheldon Mucks, but other than that, nobody is. That's the first time I saw it, and I was 18. Did you do it?

It sounds like a prison. It does. It does. It was like a prison workout. I wonder you're stressed still, dude. It's always been stressed for it. Yeah, exactly. It kind of makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, well, went there, and I went to OU, and I got my ass kick for, couple of years because I didn't know what I was doing, obviously, tied in. And then one day I said, we've been to tackle when I've been here ever since. But what does that say about, like, tackle, if you have the physicality and you're big enough because you both came from a non-standard background. I think it's athleticism. Yeah. There's certain traits you have to have.

Well, it's because, yeah, you guys are both athletes that have kind of converted and learned how to become offensive line there, right? And him much later. Yeah. A lot later. Do you think that's good? Like, you know how some people they say, like, the lady you start? the better sometimes because you don't have bad habits.

He didn't have any bad habits. Yeah, you know, and then he gives you all the bad habits. No. Well, there's, like, I've said, like, you look at all the guys that are 6'8, way 350 plus, it can't move like him. Right. Like far as the bigger, the bigger guys, I think he's probably one of most that's the big guys that's played.

He really is. I swear. We're not stroking you. I mean, I'm not struggling because you used, functional athletes. You've seen like the, it was a big guy for Baltimore. That was a lot of Brian McKinney. When you see guys that big, they don't have the mobility. Sorry.

No, no, they don't. They don't. That's what I was going to. Here's what I was going to ask you, Jordan, because you've never been on the show that I can remember. I don't think you've ever been on the show. No. So we, and I don't think we ever really talked about this. When you showed up, I always told you a story.

I don't know if I told you this, but I had gone camping and it was like 2018 in the spring. Came out of the woods. The draft happened overnight. And I turned on the TV and they were like, yeah, the Eagles just drafted this six foot eight, 300,000. 50 pound motherfucker and they're showing your rugby highlights. And they're like, and he's going to play right tackle or left tackle. And I'm like, I got to deal with this motherfucker every day.

So I didn't know what to expect from you. And when you showed up in the beginning, I think the buzz around the facility was like, this guy's got a shot. Like immediately, you could tell. And I always wondered what you called home and said after your first practice. Like if I was your buddy back in Australia and you just walked off the field in NovaCare, What did you call home and say? Like, is it hard?

Is it, you know, is it moving too fast? Like, what did you call and tell your friends? Well, I called my family and I said they lied to me. The shit's hard as fuck. They tricked me, got me good. Yeah, I was just like, man, this is actually really hard. There's a lot more technique involved than what I was learning at the three-month program I was in for the NFL. That's crazy.

He had three months to learn. And he had no doubt. I just don't get any idea of like what a training camp consisted of, how stuff was organized. And yeah, I mean, even for guys that have played for so long, it's hard for us to grasp it. I mean, it's a culture shot coming out as a rookie from college football. We played your whole fucking life for four years that have made your program. So, like, I'm sure it was even more so for you. You have three months.

Then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, you're in Philadelphia. Welcome to training. Well, I got pretty lucky, man. The locker room that I walked into was pretty welcoming. I mean, Ceylon was pretty welcoming. me. Well, I had no fucking choice. What was they going to do?

Well, I thought you got to be a dicket. Is that what you thought when you first saw me? I was like, man, they're probably going to hate me. Like, who's just got, you know, fucking just got drafted? There's no experience. But I got lucky, man. The old line room I walked in was very welcoming. It taught me a lot of things every day.

When it clicked? Like, was there a, you know, I can remember in our career, I'm going to know about you guys, but there were like moments where I'd be trying shit, trying shit. And then one day you just wake up. and you get something, whether it's part of pass pro or what clicked for you and when was it? So 2020 was, you know, I got dropped in 2018, didn't see the field until 2020. Yeah. And it played out, yeah, like 11 or something games, started 11 games.

And it wasn't until we came back for my fourth year in 2021 when the left tackle position was up for grabs. They made it even playing field, me and Andre Dillard, and I just went everything, you know, kind of started to turn on. The light started to turn on. I just took off, just tried to stack days on days. And every time I stacked days, my notes were like crazy. I'd write every single rep out. What I did bad, what I did good. And I think that helped with, you know, the progression of just the lights turning on.

Yeah, and stout you. You know? Stoutland University. Okay, so when you were a kid, what was your first intro in American football do you remember like the first game you ever watched on TV or yeah I remember well they would only show the Super Bowl because it was at a group it was a good time yeah it's like midday so that's why it should be honestly now not midday like 10 am 10 a 15 yeah you know and I think

the first camera I remember watching was it was JJ Watt Block and a field goal and I was just like who the fuck is this guy it's got to just jumped up and blocked the ball. I was like, what? No, no, no, yeah. Most of the time he was unblocked. Oh, really? Man, I was like, yeah, I was like, what the time he was unblocked.

I can't remember what year that was, but I was like, man, it's just crazy. Was he unblocked because he was unblocked or because he's a freak? 13, 14, 15, whatever those years were? Is that the best football, like, best defensive lineman? If you took a guy and said, hey, you got to pick one guy. three-year period, who's the best that's played while you... It's just different. Like, you know, Aaron Donald obviously did at a higher level for longer,

but like JJ's, you know, having that body type and being able to do what he did it. Like, it was unbelievable. So what he had three that close to 26 people? And playing all up and down the line. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He would just go down the line and find a weak link and stay there. He found it. It's a Wisconsin guy.

Thank God. He's not playing anymore. He was just super quick. In the run game, he would make guys lean, go back door. He was just smart guy. A lot of freedom to really penetrate it. Okay. Played in the back to him. Let me ask you a question.

Penetrate him back? Do you hate it? Right. Because they can give him freedom, so he's hating on the gym. You can't give freedom as a white nose guy. All right? All right. So what changes?

We saw Kelsey out at practice earlier. I just want to say this. His head looks huge. Because he lost weight. so his head looks like his head didn't change. You know it's true. That's why you're loving. It's got her.

It's okay. He has no control over your room anymore. Yeah. He's been fucking... He's built like a wrestler, bro. Yeah. Oh, my God. So let me ask you this.

What changes with him gone? I think Kellan's done a good job of simplifying and having ounces for, you know, blitzers. Yeah. And having hots. Yeah. So simplifying the past game and like protection calling. Yeah.

And, you know, Kelsey was our problem solver. Yeah. Now that we don't have him. Yeah. Kellyn's come along and just again, having hot reads, having answers to Blitz Zero and then, uh, simplifying the, the calls up front based on the hot looks. where Kelsey would make the calls last year all of it. Oh, everything. Like he was like a QB out there. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, two QBs.

I'm sure, like, you take it for granted because that's all you know. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Like, you've only worked at the center that runs the whole show. Yeah. And it's kind of, Cam's doing a great job. Yeah.

Cam Joon's doing a great job. And, you know, Cam's been now system. This is his third year. Yeah. But even in those three years, or the two years that he's had Kelsey, you know, he's done a great job of trying to be like Kelsey. And we see that on the field too. We still, again, trying to problem and solve everything.

And then we get back in film and they're just like, just call it. Like, you just call that spot. Right. Yeah. So I bring the slide that way. We got a hot read for that and it's like still new to us, you know, because we have answers now. What about pre-snap with you guys up front? Do you like motion?

Does it make your job harder or easier when, yeah, he's like. If you're going to chip, it's only thing I care about, just chip with a tight end. I don't like to run back come out of the backfield. Because you don't know. Yeah, but I will say, yeah, with emotions, if you can get any defender out there to thank or lose a step, I mean, yeah. Yes, that's all they're looking for. You said that that's interesting, though, and most tackles feel that way, I'm sure. They like a tight end chip.

Yeah, because it's right in front of you whenever. So usually if running back in search to the outside, that D end will make inside spin move against a spin move. We know it's coming. Yeah, we see it. You don't know what I'm saying. You don't know when he's done. You can almost use the chip as a momentum to take that inside move. We run TEs off that.

We run, you know, up and under. Yeah. Keep telling tight ends and rainbacks. I try to tell all the running back coach. It's like, man, inside out chip is way better. Inside out. Yeah. Inside out.

Way better than outside end. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. I'm going to talk about the blitzing that you're talking about, because obviously, like you said, Chris, Kel's called all the protections pre-snap. I mean, it's got to be nice when he's gone. Juergen's obviously getting a lot of reps. You said a lot of hot reads, different slide calls that are built into the scheme.

But you also see a lot of. Exotic Blitz is with Vic. Oh, Vic, man. Holy shit. Got a great practice to you guys working that. Is that exciting when you guys are like, it's kind of confusing? Yeah, we know they're going to confuse.

We're so used to like, you know, basic defenses are in our training camp. And every now that you would see a defense like he is, two or three times a year maybe. But now we're getting all the hard stuff and all of our hard calls got out of the way. So when it goes back to, you know, playing other teams, it should be a lot simpler.

Hey, tell me about this guy because he's one of my favorite guys on your team. I never met him. CJ Gardner Johnson. See a menace out there? It's a power plant. Nuclear power plant. Yeah.

You gotta direct that energy in a good way. Yeah. Because there's a lot right there. Yeah. What you see is what you get. Yeah. It gets me fired up because I know I don't like playing against it. It gets annoying, but I know also, you know, when you have a guy that does that and you

back it up, it does cause people to get pissed off. He's like, he's like our version on defense of like a guard who does a little bit extra all the time. Yes. You know what I mean? Have you guys had a guy like that? On the online? Yeah, the like enforcer kind of like John Runyon. Bippy.

Well, yeah. I'm trying to think about us. That's interesting. You never really had that one guy because you guys are all just so good and you did your job. JP was the enforcer. JP was the enforcer. But not that I don't ever think about JP as a dirty guy. Being cheap.

No. It just was like he was just going to fuck him. Like I think of Ryan's just when you say that. I played against him. Ryan. in bucks in practice and there was a fucking pin yeah he just wanted to he just wanted to hurt you who's the guy that you're like that guy pisses us off every game and he's good at it uh um no man we didn't really get you don't get pissed off too pissed off i don't want to give that guy

yeah i will say uh will ginson uh yeah that was with my name oh christian yeah he talked he probably talks to know his trash out everybody he talks a lot pretty funny shit too yeah he's funny It's hard to talk shit as an interior. He's a lot. He's saying some funny stuff. In the line, bro, you're just like, man, do I laugh? Or do I do, do I love? Do I give him attention?

Yeah. Do I let him win? Well, you guys do it now, you know, giving him attention. I hope he sees this. All right. So this was one that I wanted to ask both of you guys. I was going to ask Jordan, but I'll ask both of you guys. And these are rushers that Jordan has played against over the last couple years.

and I want you when I say a name tell me what makes him good okay I'll start with Nick Bosa many tools in the bag you guys can both talk about this many tools in the bag has got a lot of a lot of moves yeah and higher fit another high-fit guy yeah but when you have higher fit and can pull out any move you know cutting on a dime yeah yeah so makes it when his cleats are in the ground they're in the ground place so low yeah and he runs you him and Joey both kind of move with that lateral kind of how JPP that side to side. It's so funny.

Max Crosby's like that too. Yeah. How they're running is and it can really create some problems. Because when they're gaining ground, you don't know which size. Yeah, he's going to punch kind of thing? It's like they're picking that edge. You have to be really patient with Nick with your hands. Let me ask you this about Nick because he's obviously very strong.

When you see a DE that's strong like that, you feel Nick. Say you like close your eyes and block them. would you say de-tackle? Like, does he have D? I never asked you guys as a great. Especially he gets out of one, a wide nine, and you might miss with your hands. It's like a fucking rip-current,

just fucking, you pick you up and set you down. Yeah. Yeah, we'll say the power, you can still the power, but his long arm. That long arm. It's tough.

His spin moves really good because he doesn't telegraph it with his front hand. A lot of guys will throw that hand. It does a good job of. Well, because you can spin off this. Yeah. that too but a lot of times he'll just try to bend the edge and then once you

fills your weight on him he'll spin all right have you guys played hunter from now he's with texaniel yeah so that's up looking he's the werewolf in the swim the fucking rl stein worse he came out there he came out there you look like fucking cold weather's like good he had biceps on bison he's like what the fuck so do you do a fucking bf rle and shit up Yeah, dude. BFR's blood flow restriction. Put a thing around your muscle if you rehab and try to warm your muscle up.

It makes you jab. The boy came out. I was like, man, this guy just came out of bodybuilding company. He's so long and covers so much ground and his rush is kind of unorthodox, but he does a good job at last second, getting that edge and ripping. I will say he had like, I don't know, two or three sex against us last year in the game. It was all. It was all.

It's hustle. But it was all hustle. Yeah. Burning the edge, 10 yards, like whatever. No, I wasn't burning the edge. We got the edge and then he just like, oh, where's Jeline? And Jailen will be like, escaping the pocket and push off.

Yeah. He's off. And then I'd just see him. Fuck, throw it, Jayne. Do you guys yell, throw it? Throw it? You guys yell at a lot. We all all constant.

He's coming. My job. Oh, there you go. Get rid of it. I'm sure you heard it. Please. I've heard it. I've heard it.

I've heard it. Not playing you, but I heard it. How about his, I was asked to rank the rushers. I'm not going to ask you to do that because that's bulletin board material. Yeah, it'll piss everybody else. I had to apologize before I did it. I was like, I'm sorry to all these guys who are better than me, but I'm going to rank you one through five. How about Micah Parsons?

You know, you don't know where he is. Fastest, fastest, get off in the league. Fastest. And most explosive guy out in the league all that. Him and Miles. He'd be a great rugby player because he can, like, kind of dine. I think he can play a run-eback. Stop on the dawn.

Redirection. He can probably play safety. Really? He's that fast. He's not that big. No, he's bigger than you think. I met him. He's probably 6'2.

6.3. 250? Yeah. So quick. Yeah, strong hands. Strong. I shook his hand, and I was like, damn, okay. Yeah, I mean.

Yeah, and he does a good job at that tilt. And, like, I think a couple times I overset last year, and he'll really take that inside and create some havoc. But he's so quick to that point where the tackle has to either ride him high or make the inside move and he's so quick. Yeah. He's like a bobcat. He's like a bobcat.

He's one lighter. He puts everything into like Animal Kingdom curve. Yeah. The first time he told me about JPP's rushing style, he was like, man, he runs like a lizard. He's running through the desert. And didn't you, did you play, you played him at, uh, in Juko, right? Yeah, that was my first game. And I heard he was doing back flips.

Yeah. 30 yards straight of. Backflips to a win. I saw him do that shit down in tap, incredible. Yeah. How about, how about TJ? Tough. Yeah.

He's so smart, too. But he's strong. I think people underestimate how physically skilled he is. He's bigger than you think. He's stronger and faster than you think. And he's so, like he does a good job of setting tackles up all game and then really cashing it in on the one rush. Yeah.

He's so smart. That was something I wish I knew earlier in my career. I think he looks at stances. He looks at stances, guys when he comes to the line, what are they doing when it's a run? What's the type of doing their eyes versus the past? So he studies all your movements. What kind of, give me an Animal Kingdom comp for Miles Garrett?

Jockey. Lion, tigers, and bass? A jockey what? Lion targets and best? Oh, my. Lions? He might be the, I know we're not ranking people, but in my opinion,

he might be the best. because he's the most dangerous to me. Like, he can wreck your hole. Well, people don't think that he's 6-4-2-80. Yeah. Doing, getting that low. It's like Julius Peppers, but even more twitching ban. He doesn't, he doesn't read like 6-4-2-80 when you're around him.

Like, you know what I mean? How some people, they walk up and you say what's up and you're like, man, that guy's six-eight. Like you're saying both out there. His get off his. But his arm. He stays so low and his get on. Watch his first five yards. He's like in hip height.

I was like, you move on that speed and that force and you get under the tackle. It's got that dorsal flexion. Yeah. I got Joel, Joe O'Sman. Like a lion? You remember Joe O'Sman? Hey, if you're talking about smoking. Hey.

Yeah. Hey. Hey. Yeah. God damn a PTSD. Hey, no, PTSD. He hit me up the other day. Eagles fans probably don't remember him,

but he was on our team for a couple years, especially as a huge guy. Man, high effort. Bro, he was an amazing rush. He had the best hands. I will say, man, smoking Joe. He got everybody better. Shout out to him.

Shout to smoking Joe. Shout to Stephen Means. He used to piss off. Yeah, Stephen Means. Hey, he used to piss off JP. Oh, yeah. Because we'd have a walkthroughs, smoking Joe would be in a lot.

No. How about those rushers that now you're kind of at the age and you're at the status where you, you know, like, you're not the guy going hard. You're going hard, but you're not going as hard as some of these camp bodies. I know, I still go out. Yeah, I know you do. Because it's smoking junk. Because it's smoking joke. I take every walk through.

Like, I can't cut off the ball. The fear is the greatest motivator for it. Right. But isn't that something that you guys are at a place in your career where you're so established and great players? But, like, you're never, you're never not paranoid. never while you're in we talk about this all this all this is like you can't enjoy you can't smell the rose no you can't smell it when you're in it because you're always getting analyzed you're always getting criticized yeah and you're always criticizing you're always criticizing you're

on top of the world beating up on you hell we'd like to beat up on ourselves yeah no no no you join this fucking party we should walk around the boxing gloves all the time you think you hate me yeah we're out of practice and I was like man so cool because it's great to see you guys everything but it's also just cool to like y'all are so cool out there like we're just watching we're like these motherfuckers look at all these fans we were like i never noticed this i was like did they have fans of here here chris like what the fuck yeah like we we watch and we're like man it's so cool to see you guys doing this but when we were in it we weren't enjoying it no you know it's just hard to enjoy it you know because it's a hell it's a stressful have you gotten any better at it though

no oh wait what managing it yeah managing it yeah i think as i've gotten older i think i think I think things get into perspective more. And so I have like more, okay, I'm just going to let it be instead of letting things weigh me down. But when I was younger, you know, I feel like everybody goes to that hurrah stage where you're trying to establish yourself. That was probably the most, you know, trying times in anybody's career. Yeah.

We're in that phase of trying to become who you, you know, what you want to be on film. And then, you know, you kind of live in self-doubt until you achieve it. What was the jump for you in 17? Because I felt like 17 is where people started to really... Yeah, I just think I played a lot of good rushers and I did well against them. So I think that was it. And just we were winning. So I think it's like the perfect recipe.

But, you know, like I feel like the right tackle position changed. Yeah, I think Belaga was really good whenever I got in. He was. I struggled to beat you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There was a lot of good guys, but it was just never seen until, you know, get these pass rushers now that just can really... I still think about it.

Yeah, I mean, the past rush or now, they're going to find the weakest link. It doesn't matter what position you play. The fish is what we call you. You got it circled up on the board. We argued over the fish. Yeah. You guys were never the fish. I was the fish.

I mean, the fish is like the guy that, like, everybody wants to rush home. You know, so we'd be fighting over one of y'all in the meetings before. You're the guys that no one wants to rush over. Yeah, you're the guy in Dallas. Me and B.G. I was on the story the other day. We cut it out of the pub, but, like, me and VG were. The only time me and BG ever argued was when we were playing Dallas in 2018.

Remember that overtime game? Was that 18? It was real close in Dallas. Yes. And they beat us like guy tipped a ball like off his feet and caught it. It was like fucking. How do you remember because I did my back then and I was out the rest of the season? Well, I kind of.

Tyrant Smith had me wishing I did my back because he had Velcro on your boy when I go over to the right side. And I don't like rush on the right. Me and BG at the end of the game stood over the left. tackle over what's the name Lylee Kong right tackle right tackle until the ball was snapped we had two defensive ends at left end because nobody wanted to go rush tyron smith we were arguing the whole fucking game we arguing a locker over it like i never argue would be like wake up with fucking uh tracks across your chest yeah yeah grabbed the whole lot like what happened to us um but yeah now what all right lane this lane i did this with kelsey it's time to do it with you okay

Are you a Hall of Famer? I'm on the borderline, I think. Close. I think you are. I really do. Maybe because I played against you and I know how good you are, but I also just think you are. Yeah. So you do think about that stuff sometimes.

Yeah. Well, like I said, like as you get older, things getting put in your perspective. It's like, hey, I probably most I have is five years. I could play two more years. So that's what my window is. So, yeah, I just what you said. Like, I try not to think about it when I'm playing.

I try to stay in the moment, and then, like you said, all that stuff will come after. But, yeah, I thought about it. But I think, yeah, now it's just I'm trying to enjoy my time, like, with my guys, and not put too much pressure on myself or, you know, it's something I can't really, you know, it's really up to the people or the people you played against. But you want a bowl, and you're a huge part of winning that bowl. Like, I don't think if we have you, we don't have you, I don't think we win.

And, you know, just the last half decade of football plus, that you're stacked is like elite. And so I'm wondering if me and Bo can get front row seats. Yeah. Oh, yeah, brother. I'll have front row seats too. We're going to all be right now. We'll be at Kelsey's JPs too.

But no, I just feel like when you're a player, you're always chasing. And then once you get done, I don't know, it's probably a tough, it's going to be a tough transition phase for me if, like, everybody goes to it. But then you get to really reflect and enjoy your time. But like, I don't know, when y'all walk up to the football field, out do y'all still feel any like PTSD or like stress here's what i feel i feel like i feel like is everybody looking like he's here again you know what i mean you know what i mean you know what i say god standing over there yeah like what the fuck does he think he owns the place like he's just coming

here with his podcast or like man that guy wasn't that good you know we were talking about earlier i'm like i'm like watching the practice i'm like do you feel do you feel weird because you're sitting here wondering like are these guys all better than you were like i'm watching these young motherfuckers. No, I watch it. I'm like, some players will be, God damn, how the fuck did I take on 30 double team the game for fucking however long?

And then other days I'm like, yeah, I can play. Yeah, I can play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, then you watch Jordan Davis. You see Jordan Davis walk by and you're like, no, like, uh. I told Chris, I felt small as fuck. I'm fucking small.

He's a, I'm like, a small circle. Can we talk about those 2D tackles, man? I, you know, I love this Jalen Carter guy, man. I think he's so capable of being one of the best that ever do it here. Yeah, I told Howie last year, during Trinigan, I said he's going to be the best play this year, definitely next year. Yeah. I know. And you see it in camp, like, him.

I know, right. I can tell if a guy can play very quickly. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. He's insane. He's just twitchy. He's a smart player.

He picks up on stances. He calls it out. He knows the calls. So, in addition, you know, he's 6-3 and just, he's wide, man. He's got that like torso flexibility on those. That's a big thing, man. Yeah, his flexibility up top being able to get skinny and T-spot mobility. That's something they don't plus plus.

They can't, but they can't really measure that. I'm sure they do with the combine. The Georgia strength coach. I never was invited to the combine, so I have no idea. Yeah, right, exactly. Let me ask you this before I let you go in a minute or two here, and the tackles have been so gracious with their time. What's harder, rugby training camper, NFL training camp?

Man, to be honest. I didn't quite make it to the top of the rugby league. I will say the rugby train camps are pretty tough. They're longer. A lot of running, right? A lot of running. Yeah. So I'll definitely say, like, rugby, just off of all the running that you're doing.

Yeah. I mean, I remember, and I was playing, like, semi-pros, you know, and I remember we had this one day. It was a beach run, and we woke up at 4.30 in the morning to meet at the first beach, and it's a coastal run. How big were you then? That was 3.15. Oh, slim.

Yeah. Little guy. Yeah. That's 315. Because you had a run. He had a six-pack. Run. Did you have a six-pack?

Yeah, yeah. At 3.15? Yeah. I need to privately send me some of those five. You got five guys on the Eagles roster you can take over to rugby. Sequin. Lane Johnson. AJ Brown.

Cam Juergens. Yeah. Yeah. Nasty. Is he a nasty little motherfucker? A nasty little motherfucker. A strong. A strong.

And then last one, probably be Jeline Carter. Jailen Kata or Devam White. Sequin, how about his fucking quads? Mine are bigger. Hey. Sorry, I'm saying. I'm going to, I'm just kidding.

Just a damn. Just a mutant. A mutant. Dude. And y'all like him? He's cool. I feel like I'm known to bloke for my whole career. First week we were golfing and he was all quick.

But no, just him being able to flex out wide and do what he does. is how fucking explosive is. It's a waste 235. But how cool is it now? When you got here, it was different. Obviously, since the Super Bowl, it feels like now when a vet gets here or a free agent gets here, they're so happy to be here.

And it's like, it's like welcome. You know, like we have a way of doing things. We have a standard. We did. We had great culture. I just think ever since I've been in the league, my career, the vets have always been great. And they've always controlled kind of the locker room and the team.

And not Dickheads that criticized, but actually try to help and, you know, care for other guys. So it's not like that everywhere else. When you wake up one day, man, that fucking J.P. Help me. JP was one of, yep. J.P., I just want to say this. I said it before in this podcast.

He is one of the best vets I've ever been around. I mean, he wanted to help everybody in the locker. Me, the young D.Ns, the tackles. DBs. Just a great dude. And he's done. Is he done playing or no? I don't know.

Isn't that crazy? 40 years old doing it. Not going to be. None of you is. Okay. All right. Last question. Lane, I texted you, I went to a ready out the other night. And I said, I want to get on a buck and bronco. And you said, what? You got to wear a neck brace. He doesn't think I can do it.

No, no. I don't think you can not do it. I think your neck might fucking snap into. Come out. Don't these guys wear the stuff to protect their neck? I think so, but there weren't a bunch of stuff. I don't know what it is. Okay. You might want to find out. Should I rather? Should I rather? Should I rather ride a bull? Hell no. Hell no. The Brock is going to buck in a straight line.

Yeah. What I heard is some of those Bronx that haven't been bucking for too long, they just kind of run in circles. Yeah. Well, are you riding a junior? I would like a train. I would like ride junior. Yeah.

We'll start somewhere, but whatever you do, don't get on a bull. Frankly, not. Don't get on a bull. My dad, he was like, I was talking to the rodeo guys. He was like, don't get it. Just don't. He goes, you fucking played 11 years. I'm just doing side class, bro.

I'm doing side class. Speaking of class, we're talking about it. The pumpkin. You need to go on a pumpkin float with it. How much that pumpkin weigh? How much that pumpkin weigh? 1,200 pounds, brother. He hollowed it out, and I'm in the middle of the season,

and he sends me a video him with a fucking paddle on the pumpkin. I went 30 miles in that thing. We almost broke a record. Since we've been talking about a sidewalkist, we talk about your grease pole ront. That was. Oh, that was incredible, isn't it? I want to say the fit was immaculate.

Gene Shultz was. G shorts were in hindsight of bad charts Those apple bottoms? Yeah, they were They were plumped All right I wanted that fucking flag man The whole thing

The whole mission I had George Just between us And the rest of the fucking pocket And everybody I didn't want to split my legs like this Because I knew I was gonna make it So I just didn't want to You actually did pretty good

More fearless than I would have been Lane Johnson, Jordan Milata Two of the best in the game Two of the homies Thanks for joining us on the RV fellows And good luck this year Appreciate it, cheers boys Cheers fellows

All right so I'm going to let Bo take it away in a second, but basically we were just hanging out in the facility and bothered Kelsey and Selik until they came into the RV. Are we going? I kind of. Okay. We were taking away.

Hey, yeah, I'm joined here by some led to see Chris. The thing about retiring from playing football is you miss shooting the shit with the guys in cafeteria. It's the best. We just did that shit for like two hours. It felt fucking amazing. We probably wasted all of our podcast content. Yeah, we did. We had a lot of conversation.

Sol of it. Not going to go on the podcast. For sure. How late? Do you remember, were you both at that table? Remember at the hotel where we'd stay until like midnight? Saturday night. We just sit up there until the night.

Yeah, of course. Who else did it? Jordan Hicks. Jordan Hicks. I feel like Ertz was always part of the- Marigos. Marigos. Lane.

Lane. Eat a dinner. Eat a second dinner. Eat a dessert. Ice cream. The turkey burger's late at night. Dude, I was a pasta guy before the game. It was like, yeah, I need these fucking carbs.

These 15 snaps we're going to play outside. This is really going to get me right. You were actually gaining weight. Sheld was the first person that told me that you get to a point in your career where you can't eat ice cream anymore. That would still eat it. No, no. We're in like week 13 itself. It's like, oh, fuck, I shouldn't have that ice cream.

It's Sunday. It's like, bro, it's week 13. You're in a year 13 or whatever. Yeah, ice cream, bro. Let me tell you, when I got the 13, it's the ice cream. It makes such a difference. Honestly, my best. body is a lot better than it was

when I played. Like, when I play, I would have been self-conscious to take my shirt off and I think it was the ice cream. I think it was those Saturday nights, honestly, because you're just, it's false. You think you're actually like going to burn it all up, but you're not. Yeah. Like, you're not. Not when you're only playing 20 plays a game. Kelskis. Kelskowitz. Yeah.

Fuck, where do we go from here? Let's talk about Paris. Can we talk about Paris? I want to give Kels shit first. If you're retired, obviously Kels, but you've been at her. Kelsk texted me this morning and say he's trying to a workout at 7 a.m. at Nobucare. I'm like, dude, they don't, they're not going to fucking let me, they don't let me into the building, all right? This is not like, a normal thing. I couldn't tell the way you were just walking into staff locker.

Exactly. You are definitely welcome forever in the Philadelphia Eagles building. I disagree that. Yeah, because I'm your guys is fucking side-haping. He's speaking for the organization. He's, he's like, you are welcome. Thank you, Eagles organization. Sally, what are you doing these days for people that don't know? So with the Eagles, I have a little part-time rule. I basically scout all the incoming tight ends. This year, I did corners too.

And then during the season, I'll mentor some of the young tight ends. And then I do real estate pretty much full-time. Check them out. Yeah. He's selling real estate from New Hope to Swedesboro, bro. Right? Is that right? That's pretty much, yeah.

And then I got four kids. So they keep me busy. So we saw you earlier practice. mean shit because you had cleats on. Yeah. But tell us why. Well, you got to have cleats on. If you're going to do anything out on the field, hold a bag.

You don't get run over. Yeah. I'm not going to let some dude just put me on skates out here. They're going to feel this 260. He looks good. I saw you getting a three-point stance on the scout team. You look nice. You're like a three-tag.

Dude, I honestly probably have like 10 plays left in me. I think we all might have a few. I mean, you definitely have like 60. Yeah. Kels could actually just go back in and play. He could. But he never lost weight, though. He's on retirement.

How much way have you loved? Gels told me earlier, he's on retiring. He was a big because I was stuck at 280 for a long time. When you played? No, for the last like three months. It was a long. How much did you weigh at the end? $2.95.

What's the least you ever weighed for like a game where you... In Chip Kelly's offense, there were a few games where I probably was in the 270s. So Aaron Donald told me. What did he say he weighed? 52 in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that.

It's incredible. I don't doubt it. Against the Bengals, I think. Isn't that wild? That's crazy. For a three technique, that's insane. But I mean, Keltz,

it speaks out, unbelievably, explosive and strong. But what did you say? Three technique and two? Good point. Yeah, but to do what he does. The lightest you fly that?

Yeah, two. No. What did you say the lightest you played out with this? In the 270s. I don't remember. I remember the scale saying two 70 something. I was like,

oh, crap, I got to eat some food. But I feel like for your game, like that's not, I mean... Well, in Chips' offensive wasn't that bad because there was no stopping. So it like benefited you a little bit to be lighter because, as you know, the tempo slows down the big guys. Yeah, I know. But it did not transition well for when we stopped and huddled, no. Or if teams go bare and you have like a fucking...

Even that... Pete Hicks lined up over you as in Dexter Lawrence. Yeah. Well, thankfully, I was not two-seven even Dexter. Yeah, right? Because I remember who you talking about. Yeah, but I think the, it just depended on the style of offense and the plays being run. I think in Chip's offense, the weight did not hinder it that much, but it was actually a big transition going back to Doug's offense.

And I think that was a big deal because I forgot how much going out of that temporal offense, how much more energy, when the defense has more energy, how much more that impacts how well they bull rush and how hard they play. Especially later and drives. Yeah, like. Dude, later in-d-d-dry. Yeah, three-in-outs. A lot of Chip's offense was like three-and-outs over-scoring. Yeah. Like, it was one of those things where, like, when we built momentum,

it was really hard to stop. It was hard sometimes to get that. To get going. Yeah. Yeah, so you never, like, Chip was not like a hit with three downs at a time here. Like, just get the first 10 yards to start a drive. Like, it was more about, like, trying to score.

No, no, no. I think a lot of it was just getting started. but when you're like I think a lot of when you start in tempo you can be three and out real quick right because you guys made a tough moment

from the beginning to the drive I got you yeah so I think when you when that when you did get that first down because you were continually going with tempo it was hard a lot of times for the defenses to regain their composure

or to have the legs to finish up like drives usually where you're like long play drive scores or like long number of play drive scores or like three and out like it wasn't a lot of but that puts a lot of pressure then on you well if your defense is playing well you could be tired too because you go right back out yeah yeah i remember the thing that chip would always talk about was like possessions per game which i thought that was interesting but then i feel like on the

flip side of the coin on defense we have more possessions too sometimes like i remember we pretty fucked on a snaps i remember coming off the field after like the quickest three and out it took us like 10 seconds. And we look at the defense, they look at it and it's like, you guys serious? Fuck you. That Dallas game,

when it was like, DeMarco was there and it was like the first time he was playing Dallas and we had like negative yards rushing in the game. And I was like, man, this is, but it was, there was a lot of things. We're talking about conditioning.

Can you share the Kylie rule? Is that okay about exercise? Yeah. So, I mean, she just implemented this, but she said, I have to work out a minimum of three days a week.

otherwise she doesn't want to deal with me. It's so true, man. Like, I don't know if you guys notice this. Like, you just got out. You've been out a couple years. So, like, like, but I feel like part of why guys struggle afterwards is not just because of, like, missing football, but it's also like we're accustomed to a certain amount of physical activity. Oh, yeah. For your dopamine, for how you feel when you wake up in the morning, like, everything.

We don't feel right unless we work out. Yeah. And that for me, if I don't work out. I'm like tough to deal with. Same. Yeah. And that's why she's implemented this rule. Yeah.

And when I'm, when I've worked out, I am in a great mood. I interact well at home with my kids and everybody. Like my, I just am a better person. Yeah. When I don't work out, I think part of it, like what you're saying is like, you feel like you're not really being productive for the day. Like you're missing something. And on top of it, there's.

You're almost mad at yourself. Yeah. You become mad at everybody. Yeah. And all day you're like, when do I get it in? When do I get it in? Yeah. I'm never get out and get it in.

You just got to get out and get it. Did I get out? Hey, by the way, we've got some Eagles bourbon, which I don't even know existed, but they're so gracious who they give us some Eagles bourbon. Selik, who are the tight ends in the league you like now? I know you can't talk about guys you scouted or guys on this team, but like who are the guys that you like watching in today's game at tight end? His brother, I mean, the greatest tight end of all time.

You think? I think now he's solidified himself. I'm a grok. I'm a gron guy. But I also think it's like 1-A-1B. like it's they're almost two different players I'm biased yeah you gotta think

but I think listen Gronk was a fantastic I think Grunk was a better blocker well there's no argument but don't you say what we're trying to say I think Tram would probably agree with that

yeah I think but I think if he was in a system that required him to do it I think he could have done that stuff you gotta come up doing that yeah well I think you would he would be conditioning his body differently and doing different Like he has it in him to be a good block. How does he condition his body currently?

He's a rat runner, bro. He's running. Is he playing hoops to stay in shape? He used to, I think. I don't know if he still does. I don't know. You'd have to ask. Tell us somebody that people would be surprised by that you,

that you might, doesn't think get enough credit at tight end. I would say T.J. Hawkinson's a good tight end. Yeah. I like the guy in Detroit who replaced him. Yeah. He's good. Yeah.

What's his name? La Porta. La Porta was good. It was Iowa guys. Yeah. Yeah. Kittle's good, yeah. Isn't it weird that like Kittle barely got the ball in Iowa?

I know that's not what they do. That Iowa offense is just... Honestly, I went back and watched his college tape. It's hard to see Kittle. Really? The way he is now with the college state that he had. Really? Yeah.

I went back and watched his brother. You could see his brother had it. Yeah. But like, I couldn't see it with Kittle. Yeah. It was just... When you watch it, what are you looking at as far as like... When you evaluate a tightline?

Yeah. Yeah. Athletic ability. Yeah. Number one, can they run? Do they have shake to them a little bit? Like, with receivers and tight ends, you got to have that, like, basketball shake too. The best ones always do.

Travellers. Yeah. I mean, was it the hips? Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know, can you juke somebody, really. So, good job. Catching the ball with his back turn to the defense, making him move. and then making a guy missing like a zone coverage.

You know what I'm saying? He makes that tackle where you're like, oh, I'm like running full speed to hit this guy in the back. And all of a sudden he's off of you. Like if you watch him in college, his run after the catch was elite. No, you know what he's really good at is obviously everybody knows?

This is him and Patrick finding space. Yeah. I mean, Trave was really good with Alex Smith too. Yeah. Like, Travis is a great player on his own. But I do agree. Like, he is a very, like, instinctual player. And he plays very free.

and Pat is the same way. And somehow both of those dudes are on the same page a lot. Being that operating that way and it's hard for a defense to like game plan for that. That's the basketball thing. Yeah, they play it free at times

and it's like, how do you game plan against that? Because it's going to be different depending on what you do as a play caller. He runs this like sale route that it can't be covered because he stops, he goes. You know, he can pretty much freestyle throughout the whole thing.

Yeah. And there's like other teams that are trying to implement that, but it's hard. Explain a sail route to people. A sail route is like when you're going to run a deep over and then you stop and then you run like a corner. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's a sail route. So the whole time he's a freestyle. So like he can run. He can run the full set route or if it's zone and there's a guy sitting in the zone, he can just sit down or you can run back. You have to be on the same page with their corner.

Yeah. Or you can screw. Yeah. Yeah. That's why a lot of guys, a lot of teams don't do that. They don't give you the freedom. And I don't think he probably, when he was younger, he didn't have that freedom.

Right. As he's getting older. He's getting that JJ Watson for him. Exactly. Your new role of scouting with the Eagles here a little bit because we just did that. No. I'm bucking with you. Let me fucking cook.

Dad. Obviously, like, a couple good young, you know, defensive backs for the birds here. And I remember you're telling me about how you're talking about them. I just want to know what you've seen from them so far and how, you know, playing in the NFL for as long as you did as a past catcher, like how that kind of sets you up for success and scouting these guys. Yeah, I mean, I will say I enjoy watching different positions because I feel like I'm learning. You know, watching defensive backs, I only did it one year. We'll see how it turns out in a couple years and how all the guys do that I thought were really good.

I will say, like, I love Quignon Mitchell. Yeah, and I think, yeah, and I think the biggest thing when I watch these guys, like I like to see the stuff on film. but I also like to talk to him for five, ten minutes. Because I think that's really important. I mean, we're all in a bunch of locker rooms. And I think when you talk to a guy, you can get a good feel. Is he going to be liked in the locker room? Is he going to be able to be in a NFL locker room?

Yeah. But yeah, I really, I like his ability. I think, you know, he's unbelievable corner. Personality-wise, I think he fits right in. He's a Philly guy. He just works, works, works, doesn't say much. He came back to the Twitter. Dude, I heard a story that somebody offered him.

You said the same thing? Could have got a lot of money playing elsewhere at the NIL rule. Yeah, and decided to stay because you wanted to finish with his teammates. Yeah, like in my report, I write that. Because I think that's cool. There was a couple guys this year that had opportunities to go to Alabama, Michigan, and they decided, no, I'm going to stay where I'm at. If you could have done it over, go around the room where you're committing,

you couldn't commit to Sincey or Wisconsin. Notre Dame. Dude, it's funny you said that. I got recruited by Notre Dame, too. They want to make me a guard. Yeah, I never got recruited. My dad wanted to make me. It would have been so much, you would have made so much more money.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That is true. You'd go some more warm, wouldn't you? I thought hard about going to Notre Dame. I was like, this feels like a fucking cult. I go to West Virginia. I don't know.

I go to West Virginia. The way that Owen Schmidt, your boy, was deified there. I mean, I think West Virginia, Morgan time is just a. crazy place in general. Yeah, it would be a fun in the middle of nowhere. That's not, it's, it's beautiful there though. You, what's your answer? No, I looked at Stan, I think Notre Dame, honestly, or Stanford maybe. Am I just walking on someplace? No, you have a college. This time, they're like, oh, this guy's going to be really good. I don't think he's going to play linebacker either. We would just, you know, I, I guess I would go

at the other school that I really liked in my recruiting process, which is, I mean, being from Ohio, I think it's hard to not say Ohio State. because that's like what everybody in Ohio cares about. You know, strike pants that don't have. But I really, actually,

I really like Pittsburgh. I don't know why. I really like the school. I really liked Dave Wonstead, the coach at the time. And Paul Rose, I think was the D.C. Like,

it was a, I don't know, I just really enjoyed it. I could see you, they're always tough. Yeah. Pittsburgh always has tough guys in the league.

And the guys that go to league always perform better than you think. I think it's true. I think Cincinnati's like that too, actually. Yeah. I could see you at the U. You seem like one of those guys that would go down to like

It's not working by every the big chain. Come on. Come on, you know it's kind of true. All right, so. The other tight end university outside of Iowa. What's the most fun and the least fun you've ever had watching your brother play? The most fun. Don't say the Super Bowl.

Yeah, it's the most fun. You see me afterwards? No, no. No, we saw that. Let's say like a game. The Buffalo game was freaking awesome. Like being able to tailgate that. That was really cool.

This one? This year? Yeah. Yeah, you went up to that one? Were you in the stadium, obviously? Where did you sit? Was that when you took a shirt off? Okay.

Describe the scene when Vass missed that field goal. I don't even. Kelsey was black. Yeah. So it was Bass. Yeah. Yeah, I was so engulfed by the people in that stadium. It was a fun atmosphere.

I have not tailgate a lot, but I really. like thoroughly enjoyed taking that experience him and then watching them win was also watching Chiefs one was... We're going up there tomorrow. We get to finally see... Enjoy it. I'm going up to Buffalo tomorrow. Because we're talking to Josh, right? Yeah. I don't know we're on there.

No, you can say that the reason, the reason I always liked your brother, but like the reason I thought it's solidified for me what a good duty is, like he used to come to your games like in the middle of seasons. Yeah. Like that's love. That's like that's brother shit. Yeah, it was funny because like obviously we lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl

two years ago. And like nobody for the first 11 years of my career cared that I went to Chief's games and wore Chiefs gear. And then like after we had the next year they're like, why are you wearing Chiefs gear? Oh yeah. I've been doing this for every since my brother's been engaged. That's tough. Yeah, I think we've always

you know tried to support each other what we can and you know when your brother's playing it's hard to be able to, when you both are playing it's hard to find the time. So unfortunately it's usually once you've already been eliminated and you fucking hate that you're out of the playoffs be like, screw him you want to go. He came on a biweek when he came in like the middle of season.

Yeah. And just having been through that with a brother. Yeah. I'm like, man, I wouldn't have had the energy. I love Kyle, but we've been tough to get in a fucking playing. Yeah, by week you're usually trying to take advantage of that by week. You not go to another football game. Yeah.

How was Paris? Awesome. I was so like fucking, you know, it's so funny seeing our boys like the main character right now. It's not like he's trying to be the main character. It's unbelievable, dude. But it's like everywhere it goes is the main character. And I'm just like watching the Olympics in Montana like with my kids. And I'm like, oh, there's my friend.

Why is he? What's the way? There's some girl in arm wrestling. So yeah. Well, my kids call him Travis's brother. Did they say that? What? So how was it like soup to nuts?

Like should we go to the Olympics one year? Is it like? Yeah. I mean, so I've always loved watching the Olympics. I think it's one of those few events where the entire world comes together. and you embrace the act like sports right and I think it's I've always loved Olympians I've always wanted to do that obviously that's one downfall of football as you don't get that opportunity number two yeah what is a football player do you see speedwalkers I do there's no chance my

bobsled team dude Bob sled team I got an email from the NFLPA I said there and looking for former football players can we get them on a fluke my my brother and I've talked a lot of weight curling curling curling is low impact That's smart. That's why Jared Allen is like a real good curler. Is he? Yeah. I thought he was doing the bobsleds though.

No, I think he's doing curling. Yeah. Jared Allen and a couple other guys. Yeah. There's a couple guys. Former football players. But so how was the city? Like, did you ever been to Paris?

So Kylie and I did our honeymoon in Paris. Okay. Yeah. And we had not been back since. Kylie, she says she's not fluent, but she sounds fluent. So to me, she's fluent. she speaks impeccable French so the point that

every time she speaks that the other French people are the Parisians are like complimenting her in our accent or they think we're Canadian yeah so like she's like very so I think that that like helps us not be American yeah like they like us do they like us I don't think they like tourists in general

right they get overwhelmed because it's such like personal they just might not like I just think there's a lot of Americans I think overseas can get loud and rambunctious. I mean, we're a loud rambunctious crowd. I can imagine. Yeah, I mean, listen. I couldn't see you getting in time.

If I was not with Kylie, I guarantee they would fucking do it. They do me because I'm with Kyle. Do people, did French people know who you were? A Justin and Gouncey. Not really. They didn't care one dead. But there's so many Americans on there. Yeah, right?

Yeah, they really good. Oh, the beret. Okay, so your arm wrestled a gal on the, um. Nicole from the. She was kind of a fucking dog. Was that more about a battle when you thought it would be? Um, yes. Yeah, I didn't, dude, I hate saying yes to arm wrestling. Me, dude.

Especially when it's always somebody that's smaller than you, because it's like, it's like a losing situation. Like if I win, it's like, oh, look at the big guy picking on, the smaller person. If you lose, it's like, that guy is beyond the only. I know, I know. Yeah. And then we're pro athletes. So even if we were big for no reason, there's more pressure on us. But I'm in her, I was in the Coles territory.

I'm at the Olympics, obviously. And she's like, yeah, you want. armor so I'm like, all right, I'm not going to turn down arm wrestling and Olympian in the Olympics. No, you can't turn that down. That was like a, like, was it easy though when your arm wrestling? Like, could you just tend to quick? Dude, Kelse was ahead, his off arm in it and everything. Why are we?

And the star rugby gal who's made a lot of. Yeah, yeah. She's a beast, huh? She's just like, she's just, she was super athlete women around the field. Yeah. Like, fucking crime Archon Lynch out there, dude. And she seems cool as shit. Definitely how she was beast mode.

Get her on the P-squad, selves. Come on. Talk about scouting. Who's the best personality punter you've ever played with? Come on, dude. Donnie Jones is the man. I miss Donnie. I love Johnny.

Don is the best. Was that not the best speech he gave before the Super Bowl? Remember that? That was unbelievable. In that bubble or whatever it was? I just remember it was. I don't know how he memorized that. It was so good.

It was like he practiced it. front of the mirror. Yeah. Well, they don't practice, so he had time. That one got out of cooking for me. I wonder where.

I wonder where Donnie is these days. If there's one teammate from our Super Bowl team, you'd like to reconnect with it. You have no idea where the guy might be. Who is it? Ooh, that's a good question. I got one.

A guy, I kind of know where he is. I haven't talked to a while, but Timmy Jernigan. Oh, bro. Where is he? I haven't talked to Timmy in a minute.

Hey, bad signal for Timmy Jernigan. Timmy, come on the pie, baby. We need you. Dude, I love Timmy The parade was amazing, right? Obviously, speech, we're all

fucking enjoying ourselves in the dream. The image of fucking Timmy up on top of the bus smoking a big cigar, biggest smile you've ever seen. He had a fucking bottle of tequila in one head. It was at the Cosamigos. It was so great.

He had the Clune. He was in our bus. I always love having conversations with Kendricks too. Oh, bro, we saw him in autograph signing recently. Yeah. We had that signing in Philly.

He's living in Puerto Rico. Cells dropped me off. No, Kelms dropped me. He gave you a ride. You were talking, call me your dad. He's way more your dad than me. That's legit your dad. I'm an uncle.

I'm like a fucking daddy. No, but that signing was awesome because I went and I was just like, oh, I'll probably see a couple of people walk in there. Doug's in there. Deuce is in there. Fucking guy puts his hand on my shoulder. I turn around his falls. Dom was there too.

He put his dick in my shoulder. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Have you seen you. Be like a necktack. But Doug was there and it was just like in. God bless that guy, dude. He did already.

I've been, uh, I saw Doug in a Tahoe and that was awesome. He's just fucking awesome, dude. He's just the best. He's the best. Um, how's TV? Uh, I mean, done one thing. I know. So how is it? Because it's going to be every day. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. Whatever you thought it was, it's just going to be that way. No, it was good. I mean,

it's an opportunity to, you know, build some chemistry with all the guys you can be on set with. I know Ryan. Yeah. I know all your boys over there, dude. Do you know Marcus that well? I know. Spears, I know Spears. I know Spheres. I love Martin Spears. Dude. Awesome. What an awesome dude, he is. Uh, so it's just good to be around the team and get like a warm up set in. Yeah. You know, we do one preseason game. Yeah. It's on top of it, you're talking about like, like the Canton games. You're talking about like all these legendary players and played the game.

So it was fun. It was a good time. Let me ask you this. What's your worst on-air fear? I don't know. I mean, swearing is up there. Yeah,

right? I know he does that a lot now is Paul Pierce. He'll be on like national TV and I'll be like, this motherfucker. And Skip the Alice is like, you can do it. You can pull it off. I'm trying to,

I don't know. I don't know. I'm, guess I'm fearful that I'm not going to be, like, prepared because I feel like there's a lot more, like, autonomy. I'm making sure you're on top of your stuff. Once you're, like, removed from it, you got to, like, go out of your way to, like, really watch things and really, like, iron in on, like, what's happening to do, like, a reputable job, which I don't want to go up there and sound, like, and I'm not going to say, like, I just think that I want to go up there and do a good job,

because I think there's a service to the guys that are still in it and what's happening. And that's, I guess, my big fear is, like, not doing that well. That's my worst fear is killing guys by accident. Yeah. I'm not trying to, you know, but it's... Or wrongly. Or you, like, just strength. You don't know the intricacies of what happened.

Yeah, and what the fuck they're being coached do. And I think when you get removed from it, it's very easy, I think, for a former player to not truly understand the ends and outs of like what's happening in a specific situation, but you still have to give your opinion. Yes. So like I think doing that in a responsible way is like what I really, really want to strive to do. That's like both accurate and correct. That's who you are.

That's why you won't fuck up. I think it's harder to do than like you can't just watch games and like no 100% all the time. I think navigating that is going to be the most important. Watching every NFL game every week is a fucking chore. Yeah. It really is. By the end of it, it's short. But it's also a lot of fun to know what's going on.

Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like, man, like, I know football better now than I do when I played. You know, and you will too, which is crazy because you know so fucking much. I think it's, I am looking forward for the first time to, like, watching the AFC. Like, dude, I never, outside of my brother's games, I'm watching almost exclusively NFC games. Yeah. Like, somebody asked me, like, mid-season last year, but the Baltimore Ravens are, like, in passing, I'm watching them. But, like, you don't really get the focus on that until you're.

season's done with. Exactly. Because you're always watching like opponents and people in your division. So like now I actually get to just enjoy the entire landscape, which I'm looking forward to. Is there one game you're looking forward to the most to like go best side's Philly Week 2? I mean, Philly Week 2 is great. We have two games in Kansas City. That's going to be awesome. I'm looking forward to the first game of the year that we're going to cover, which is Aaron Rogers first came back. Like I think the Jets were really good last year. Obviously the 49ers are great. They went to the Super Bowl. and the Jets getting, if Aaron Rogers can be like anything close

to what he's been, both of those teams should be two of the better teams. Am I foolish to say that the Houston Texans and the Green Bay Packers are contenders? I don't think the Houston Texans. You don't think the Houston Texans?

No, I don't think you're foolish. But on Green Bay maybe a little soon. I mean, maybe. I think none of those are foolish. I think both of them could come out and strike round. I really like a very big fan of C. I like love as well, but I think

C.J. Stroud, just like his personality, how he carries himself, not just how unbelievably good he was last year as a rookie. He just like, it feels like everything I see of the guy like. Me too. Good leader. Yeah. Had all the people over to his house every day to eat. Yeah. Like fucking crazy, man.

Yeah. I think the lions are contenders too. Lions are for real contenders this year. Let's be honest. They should have been, I mean, not should have been in the shoe bowl very easily last year. That's how I felt about Green Bay, though. Yeah. I mean, listen, when you're in the playoffs, you're a good team and you have a chance.

But I don't know, yeah. Lions blew it. Lions blew it. They took the chances that they closed. I don't want to say they blew it because I think Dan Campbell operating that way is one of the reasons they were there. But I think that like from like a piece of standpoint, it's a very complete team. They somehow were able to keep Johnson, the offensive coordinator. Yeah.

So like. That's super cool. Yeah, I'm very bullish. Are we talking about stocks? We're bullish. We're bullish on the lines. No, I mean, somebody asked me the other day to rank the top four teams. I'm like, this is really fucking hard.

And I put the lines ahead of the Niners, but I think because the lines got a lot better. I think they got a lot better. They added some pieces in the secondary. If they work out, great. But a team that can run trap on third and six and convert, like with regularity, that's a scary fucking view to me. And they proved last year, hey, golf's not great outside. we just fucking play our home games inside.

Like, I think they're pretty good. I think they're good enough to have some home games. Dan Campbell was much better coach than I thought he was going to be when he first was hired. The first. Unbelievable. You were biting kneecaps? Yeah. Like, man, who knows how this is going to go?

It's not one good for a tight end. He was a contemporary or was a tight end of the NFL, right? Yeah, he was a big blocker. Do you remember watching Dan Campbell on film? And being like, this guy's a beast. He's just a big dude. I mean, he was the old tight, he was almost like an offensive tackle. But that's how they were.

Yeah, yeah. Like when I came in a league and when you came to league, like that dude in San Diego, I forget his name, super long last name, Polynesian dude, used to be like 310 and they had him at tight end. It wasn't tackle over. You came out of the huddle, be like, tackle over like bump. Nope, it's just the fucking biggest tight end in the world. Yeah. They're just not like that anymore.

All right. So I've kept you guys a while. Here's what I like to close the show with or the interview with. We all tell Jason what's going to. be great and not so great about retirement. Oh. Let's just riff. What's great about a football Sunday this fall?

Because the fall, just wait, man. People always talk about the fall. Yeah. Jacking the fall off. Oh, the leaves change colors. It's awesome. It's going to be better.

And we're always getting fucking work to death. Want me to start? Yeah. What's great and what's not great about football retirement? Fall, yeah. Fall is amazing. Yeah. Fall is great.

August is amazing. My brother and I ranked the seasons on our pot. I put fall at the bottom. But that's going to change. And that's the point. Yeah. That's the point. To me, spring is the best.

I agree. Right now, spring, summer, winter, or maybe I'm going to put winter, but fall was dead last. Let me tell you something. Summer used to be my number one. And it might have just got bumped down after my first full summer with three kids. Like summer fucking sucks. It's a lot of words. I don't even need to kayak.

Just sending them back to school. Yeah. Please. No. I put Mayas like late Mayas. my favorite time of year. Yeah. But now the fall is right behind there because think about it.

You're going to wake up on, well, you're going to be working a lot, right? What's your Sunday like? I mean, the only jobs I technically have are Monday night football and then the podcast that we record on Tuesday.

So it's going to be great because you're going to be waking up and you're going to be like, I can really watch any game I want. Yeah. I can fucking, not that you gamble, but maybe we can gamble. Yeah. I mean,

it's an option. Gambling's fun in retirement. And then just the like the waking up, getting a breakfast going for a walk. Dude, you order Uber Eats and you watch football all fucking day. Oh, it is phenomenal. Sounds good. No, you're like, oh, there's a night game.

Fuck, I'll order some more Uber Eats. What are you eating from Uber Eats? Oh, well, first of all, I'm talking about Uber Eats, not GoPuff. GoPub is pure candy. You know that. Yeah. Well, that's, yeah. Uber Eats, on a Sunday, I'm going to start off healthy for lunch and get like a fitness bowl,

like a healthy bowl. And then by the time dinner rolls around, that second order is going to be dog shit. Oh, we just eat shit over at our place. We watch football and eat barbecue, and we've got seven TVs, and it's just like a den of sin. I'm talking like five guys, like trash. Pot smoke and gambling. So you're supposed to watch football. Exactly.

Let me tell you about something that's not great about retiring, Kels. Not to get too philosophically. I have a long list. That's the one thing that you agree on. Lack of, like, physical intensity. Like from, you know, how to. is like we're fucking fucking tight ends

D-Lyman O-Lyman like you have that contact you don't have that you don't have that outlet So you're gonna call that deal and fight everyone's gonna like there's just There's just a lack of physical I was looking forward to not having to do that No

like a jujitsu club You should do something No no just join a pickleball You just get off beating old met a pickleball Like what I was like here's the thing With the jujitsu thing like four years into your retirement, you're going to realize that like a lot of people can beat you up. Yeah. You know, it's just not like, and so why try at Jiu Jetsu? Like, you know.

I'm just talking about for the physical portion of it. Yeah. I know, but you know, there's other things. It's a roll around with guys and get sweaty. I'm sure. And get Mersa and shit, you know, like you escaped in NFL building, only you get Mersa on a Jujits. I kind of always have felt those cauliflower years look cool. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's real cool. Yeah, that's cool to avoid, bro. Here's another thing. Rob Nankovich told me this when I got out. I called him the first fall and I'm like yo this is amazing why did I retire sooner and he's like just wait yeah he goes just wait till three years out when nobody cares about you anymore and like that first the honeymoon phase of retirement you the fucking governor no he's well maybe this doesn't apply to you

but I can tell you that it does get rough around year three the first two years are like oh this is amazing and then you're like oh I see what guys are fucking losing your mind so my word and amount to anything at all I got nothing actually I was going to say my favorite thing about retirement is I I think as time goes on, it gets better because I know how to deal with the real world a little bit easier. Yeah, maybe I'm, you know? I remember back to the physicality thing. I love that. Back to the physicality thing.

I remember, I still remember selling at some point last year, we're like at practice and we're talking. And he said, like, you know what's like crazy? I like watch what these guys are doing and can't imagine doing this anymore. Oh, dude. Like the physicality. Like the physicality. Like the physicality of it is just like... Just wait till you're watching these games

and these dudes are getting smoked. I can't believe I did it. Well, you know how you come out like off in like a long I are and they come in and work you out in the bubble to see if you can come back, like hide you from the media? Like I remember. And they bring like some big P-Squod guy and then full pads are like, hit him.

I remember they did that like coming off a broken leg. And I was like, God damn, dude. Holy shit. It's been two months. Yeah, I did that up in New England and it worked out really well. Yeah. But you forget, you forget how to be violent like that. You know what I mean? I know it's in there, but like that was a very unnatural thing to be that violent and that competitive and to work that hard at something, you ain't going to be like, you know, you can't go back. Once you're out, you can't go back. No. Go to curly. Go to curly. That's the right answer. That's the right answer. Anything else suck about retirement? Oh, hemorrhoids, man. Just getting older, having little...

That was a tough transition. You can cut that. I'm trying to think of something that sucks about. Is that one it is? Yeah, hydrate. Then I had a mean hemorrhoid a month ago. I never used to get hemorrhoids on my way. So I just go, bro, hydrate.

Just the generic drink water. That'll fix your hemorrhoids. Is that real? The hemorrhoids are caused you? I don't know. Are you on the toilet like, oh. I'm just thinking about things that suck in retirement, like little things like the art.

like the arthritis gets worse. Yeah. You don't sleep as well. You know, like I just... The lack of routine, I think, is a legitimate one that we can maybe. But it's like, you get so used to the specific routine of football. I don't know if you guys experiences... Health care?

Yeah. I pay for my own health care. That was... Speaking of, let's have a conversation with Greenlight Pot HR about health care. No, but... I just got some bad news about that to that, guys. I think I still think of my life, like my, you know, my season breakdown in terms of like off-season, you know,

Yeah. Summer. That's a key. In season. I'm in season. Like, I get to the end of August. I'm like, fuck, I got to get my routine. Like, it's a season. It's like, oh, you've been retired for fucking years, buddy.

Do you not feel like you lose your mind a little bit in August? I get more antsy. I get antsy in August. I hadn't have any yet. So those routine-based habits, calls, are tough to. Yeah. All right. We should probably get out of here before.

Get a little hot. Hey, guys. I don't know why you're dehydrated. Beautiful son. Guys, thank you so much. It was like, you know, I felt so bad about pulling him in here. I really glad we did. I mean, we just didn't essentially exactly.

Basically, we were like, do you want to go outside and do this? How are we going to a super hot fucking RV and we'll fucking do the same thing while I've always saved conversation? Cheers, cheers. Yeah, the worst part about retirement is that we don't get to do this more. Yeah, that's all. We can fix this. I miss the guy. So let's just keep doing that.

Let's just keep doing this. Yeah. Perfect. Let's do this. It's too hot in here. Let's go to someone to it next. It was air conditioning.