Green Light with Chris Long - Joe Douglas! NYJ GM on Aaron Rodgers Trade Behind-The-Scenes, Hard Knocks & Quinnen Williams. Chris Jones Situation & CFB WK1 Recap

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

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When we found out we were doing hard knocks, it was really cool because Robert, like, immediately, like, text me. He's like, I don't want to show any players getting cut. And I'm like, brother, we see it the exact same way. Like, there's no way. No way we're going to do that. Like, these kids put their heart and soul into this thing every day. And we're not going to, like, exploit, like, one of the worst moments in their life. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast.

JETS Jets Jets Jets general manager Joe Douglas joins the show today he and Chris go way way back you'll hear about it but we get the lowdown on the Aaron Rogers trade hard knocks sauce Gardner Garrett Wilson that fearsome defensive line led by Quinn and Williams and everything in between it's a full Jets day with a little bit of music at the end with Joe Douglas he runs through some music and video games I forget to mention he loves the video games to kick things off we talk about Chris's UFO sighting was a UFO or was it a UFO or was it just Elon Musk. Chris also has a few America's teams from college football week one. And Chris talks about the Chris Jones situation in Kansas City, what might happen. If he got traded,

where would the best fit be, what the chief should do? And in a tradition that's becoming annual, Chris has some words for fantasy football league commissioner Tommy Alter. Y'all please enjoy. We will be back Wednesday morning. We'll catch you then. It's at the table, read. So we ran a great episode, a great Joe Douglas, we had America's Teams, we had a recap of the weekend, everything. I don't remind me. I am pulling everything into, kick you out a version

to listen to. All the video looks great. It looks tight. The new background looks really good. It's tight. And there is a flat bar in the audio section. Flat, flat line. We have flatlined audio. Like a seismologist right now. Yeah.

Tell me what the fuck that means, Reed. So you're supposed to see peaks. You're supposed to be peaks and valleys as uh as you're looking at your your audio uh line your audio file and there were no peaks there were no valleys it was uh florida we were looking at florida the the the altitude of florida and uh that's not good when you're doing a podcast um so we are this is take two take two sunday night this might be your best work on mic this is you know you know to really get reading the zone what you got to do is You got to just, we got to all fuck up an entire episode and have to do it over. And it's not Reed's fault.

This is the machinery's fault. Everything was tight. Everything was looking the same. I do not know what happened. But we're cooking with gas now, man. You know, just a minute ago, it's 11.30 at night. Fucking Matt went home soon as the pot ended. Got to go, guys.

You know, it's flames in town. We're just sitting here, just us gals. Bullshit. And we're 45 minutes into a staff. meeting, impromptu staff meeting. I'm smoking a big fat joint. And admittedly, at the moment, 1132 p.m. Eastern standard time Sunday night, I'm stoned out of my mind. And Reed is like, hey, didn't even say like, I got bad news for you. Usually Reed will kind of walk around it, but he was like, we don't have any audio of the show. First time it's happened. First time,

like we've had some issues. We've always worked around them. First time there's ever been straight up no audio on something recorded. That's how I'm saying I just want to know. I want to know right away and you brought the drama to my front door. I appreciate you for that read. Someday we're going to laugh about this.

We might be laughing right now. We won't be laughing here in an hour when we're done. Yeah, that's true. We'll look like the lady outside of Popeyes at the end her shift. Anyways, we got this great show with Joe Douglas. Excited about that. Who you go back with? I go way back.

with him you know we go way back like two things that go way back can't think of two examples right now peanut butter and jelly peanut butter and jelly slice bread he's the peanut butter all right slice bread oh no slice bread and slice bread and peanut butter and jelly like two pieces of slice bread that's how far we go back so anyways me and joe go back now and i i just did this for the youtube but it's worth reminding people, but me and Joe go back because he's the guy that I owe Philly to. I mean, I owe it to Ian Cunningham. My thirsty ass, I wouldn't get any calls after New England. So anyways, Ian Yates Cunningham guy I played college football with, was with the Ravens,

with Ozzie, with Joe Douglas. And he ended up in Philly with Joe. And I wouldn't get any calls. And I actually reached out to Ian and was like, can I play for your team? you know like something like that and he was like let me run it up the flagpole it wasn't even like yeah he was like that'd be cool let's i love the idea and then uh joe was like yeah greenlight that thing so the rest is history for me uh obviously how he had to green light it too there's a whole flagpole it's like a whole it's like a mario brother's situation there um i owe a lot to joe douglas man i love the guy

And for him to give us 35 minutes during training camp the week he's got to cut a bunch of guys. He's the man for that. I mean, he was the grim reaper in Baltimore. He was the guy that would walk around the corner and cut guys. I mean, back in the day, when you got your playbook taken, not the iPad, the iPad's expensive. So if you don't have the iPad and you get cut, you get fined for the value of the iPad, plus shipping and handling. I mean, it's like a double whammy. You're cut.

Give me your iPad. Oh, fuck, I forgot it. Like, where is it? Back in the day, it was hard to lose a 600-pound playbook. But Joe used to be the guy that walked around the corner and cut people. They called him the Turk. It was like a kind of an ominous name. Barry.

He looks like the guy that would cut people and then beat him up in the parking lot. Before your car arrives, we have to fight. We don't even, it's not a fight. You have to let me beat you up. And I think he's doing a great job in New York. I picked him to win the Super Bowl, so they're probably not going to win the Super Bowl, but should have a good year.

Love Joe Douglas. Stick around for that. First things first, layup line. Pirate looks at 40. Jimmy Buffett. to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall you've seen it all. Reed, gone too soon. Yeah, so I saw the news first thing Saturday morning.

Yeah, you were the guy that brought me the bad news. You were the Turk. You texted me, I woke up in the camper, and the first text I saw was Jimmy Buffett died. Out of left field, man, because the guy looked great. was yoked. Great. Into his 70s. Like he was...

He was still touring. Eugenics. Yep. Newgenics. Okay. If you're first time listener, my brother was talking about eugenics, Frank Thomas, a couple pods ago. Went on a whole rant about it.

We were like, Kyle, eugenics is not a thing we talk about on this pod. We're not in support of it. We do support newgenics. I might get on some. But yeah, no. Jimmy Buffett, man. Interesting guy. I lived a full life.

You told me a story earlier the last time we did this pod about Jerry Jeff Walker taking him down to Key West for the first time. Yeah. So he was a middling country music artist. Jerry Jeff Walker is like, hey, let's go to Miami. They go down to Miami. And then on a whim, they're like, hey, let's just take this thing down to Key West. Let's try to get there by the sunset.

They get there by sunset. they just go down there with all the other hippies because that's the thing to do to go down to the beach, what's the sunset, they play some music, everybody dances. And Jimmy Buffett then has his epiphany

like, this is where I need to be. This is what I need to do. Which is crazy because at some point, Jimmy Buffett, and I figure he's relatively young when he went down to QS, but like he was just a country singer. He wasn't like the beach guy.

Like it, growing up in the 90s, you know, he's the guy, genius marketer, cheeseburgers and margaritas, plants his flag on those two corners, cornerstones. He was like a legit country singer. He has some great stuff in the 70s. Pirate Looks at 40 is my favorite Jimmy Buffett song.

Nolan and I earlier we were listening to Latitudes and Attitudes, his first album from like 1977 or something. So I told you, that's a good one. I told you guys, I've been to a Jimmy Buffett concert. it was with Jeff Fisher. Me, William Hayes, Jeff Fisher, and Dave McGinnis walked into a Jimmy Buffett concert.

And it was fucking awesome. And somebody said it earlier, they were like, Jeff looks like a parrot head. And he is. He does. Like, he looked like a fucking parrothead in there. He blended right in. It was a great experience.

I loved, I loved every, this gal I know, Brenda, shout out to Brenda. She lives in Hilton Head at one of these Jimmy Buffet like strongholds. He basically... Strongholds is a great word.

He built like cities. He was like, here's where I'll... He was like, here's a billionaire. Yeah. Damn year. You know, genius marketer, businessman, the whole thing.

A lot of irons in the fire, but he has these communities and they have pools. 55 and better. Yeah, which is you familiar. But honestly, like, it is better because Brenda's over 55. Doesn't look at, but she's over 55.

and she is better. She's like, it's the elite of the over 55s. It's the people who are living their life the right way. They're like, I'm not going to some fucking retirement home. I'm going to a Jimmy Buffett retirement home. And you were telling us,

or he played music down at these communities, right? Yeah, so, yeah, she'll, like, go down to the pool and homeboys down there,

no shoes, obviously. And he's playing guitar with all these people. Just like bullshit. It's not like he's posting, like, I'm going to hit this, this this retirement community this week like he just pops up um two things about the guy he had uh

he has a a a weed called coral reefer that he put into into into you know into production like 2019 and then uh he also has a crustacean named after him they just named it like buffett eye yeah it's like buffett i it's like something buffett i um so the guy has done it all dude love jimmy Buffett. This weekend I went camping for the second time. I'll tell you about it. But basically, I saw Starlink, dude. And I thought for sure it was UFOs. Like, I was so confident I posted a bad video of me running around like a fucking chimpanzee in, in that movie. What's that movie? The fucking first 20 minutes is just a bunch of monkeys around a piece of metal out in space. Oh, Space Odyssey? Space Odyssey. Space Odyssey.

Yeah. The beginning of that movie is insane. You've never seen it? 20 minutes of monkeys and, like, a rock. 20 minutes. I turned it off minute 19. So that's what I was, I was up in the penthouse, as I call it, it's the top of the, my four winds, my Thor. I got a ladder on the back. It's a little precarious getting up there, but it's worth it because, you know, when you're camping with your wife and you're kids you get down there you set up camp i deserve a little left-handed siggy and uh the place to do it is up in the penthouse um i'm up there i'm looking to the stars and all of a sudden i see it looks like santa claus with all his reindeer just sailing through the sky yeah if they had like you know um high beams on and i can't tell how high they are anything like that but i even got the

fucking coordinates i was like yeah they're going southwest 855 p.m I'm like alerting any UFO enthusiasts, anybody who might be like, uh, to the southwest of me, fuck, you better get outside to have a look. I mean, these are aliens, dude. I'm sure of it. And of course, I tweet the video within 20 seconds. I have 45 replies, Starlink, Starlink. Hey, dude, it's Starlink.

Hey, idiot, Starlink. There's a fucking link to a website that you can track Starlink. Like, am I some Luddite? Because I didn't know what Starlink looked like. And to be fair, again, we said this on the first. recording, but if you don't, if you've never seen Starlink, it will, it'll freak you out. It's, it's six or so right in a, in a deadline just flying right across the sky. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's like Amtrak. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like public transportation for aliens. And that's, I mean, for me, sitting at home, looking at the stars, I was like, guys, we did it. Last time we went camping, Percy had meteor shower on accident. Just fucking sitting in the lawn chair with my kids. Oh, there's a.

meteor shower. The other night, accidental blue moon. Accidental UFO sighting? Fuck, dude. My kids are living a life, but not Starlink. It's just Elon. Who's thinner in space, by the way.

When you told us, when you told us on Saturday, you were like, and then I just started yelling, Meg! Meg, where's the phone? Meg, where's the phone? Guys, it's happening. Guys, you don't understand. I better, I've been 38 years on this rock.

I've never seen a fucking UFO. There's 12 of them right up here, in formation. How did you break the news to all the campers that it was? Oh, I was like, guys, it's starling. Kind of like you broke the news to me about the podcast not recording. So I just had to cut to the chase, man. I was like, I'm sorry, guys. But I got a whole new season of Bluey on the iPad, you know,

which, by the way, is a great show. So I was camping. saw Starlink. Let me run through America's teams. Fuck it. Let's run through them. You know, it's college football season. I'm so happy it's college football season.

Colorado. Okay, number one, Colorado. Not a big surprise, kind of chalky. I mean, they are fun to watch. I don't know how good, like, they'll be at the end of the year. I don't know if they're, like, a 10-win team. But they got three guys that showed out, and two of them are going to be playing on Sunday for sure.

But, like, Shador Sanders is good. like actually good actually good. I mean those are some NFL throws and he was reads and accuracy. He was all over it. Impressive. You know, Travis Hunter I mean, I remember playing 80 plays, 100 plays in high school, 120

whatever it was, being dog tired when you get home but you're 18 years old. This guy, you know, he's what, 19, 20 years old. He's still got those young legs. He can do it. out there playing 145 snaps when you took away the penalties and the non-plays. So dude was out there an entire day. And he's dancing in the locker room afterwards. He stills energy to dance.

And there's that great viral video of the TCU fans yelling, throw it at Hunter, throw it his way, throw it over here, and he gets a pick. And literally it's four dudes just faces like, what the fuck? And Travis is out there on the outside receiver and just breaks right. right on that swing pass, not just the smarts to do it, but also the athleticism. I mean, that's a kind of play where you're like, hey, this guy's now going to be on your TV every Saturday.

Every Saturday. It's a treat, man. You know, like I think people got to see, you know, what we were missing, not watching Jackson State last year. I mean, you watch the highlights, you watch their bowl game, that sort of thing. You watch a post game interview. Yeah. But to watch Travis Hunter every Saturday is going to be.

a real treat. I mean, he's the kind of guy who could win the Hysman. Yeah. And that's what it weren't for Caleb Williams and Drake May. If it wasn't such a quarterback heavy year, but he's the kind of guy playing both ways that could win the Hysman. And that's what Charles Woodson. That's what Deion said afterwards. He was like, we missed him on two deep balls. If he had those, the Hysman is at his crib chilling. Yeah, dude. And, and it's early for a Hizman moment. But that that, that pick felt like, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but it was a, you'll remember that play. Be like, damn, that guy's going to be at Colorado this year every Saturday I'm going to watch him. Deon a lot of

people doubted him right you know he gave his big post game presser and I get it that's his right you know like doubters fuel athletes he's an athlete okay he's coaching he has an athlete mindset okay but I I never want to hear him say ignore the noise if I ever catch him saying ignore the noise in the team meeting he's not ignoring the noise In fact, I thought this would be a good opportunity to pull up one of, well, it was actually like my, what's this? When he got the job at Colorado, we talked about it. And I thought it would be interesting to go back and see what I said because I'd hate for him to, you know, turn the cannon at me. Right.

You know, like if some green light pops across this. Anyways, just to be safe. We have to check the box that we were on this train first. All right. You run that. Yep. Okay. Oh, yeah.

I love the hire. Yeah. And, you know, the kids that he's, you know, he's talking about kids hitting the road, like, yeah, my way or the highway. Yeah, fuck those kids, man. They're not good enough. The guys he's bringing the Louie luggage, I think it's going to pay. I think they beat TCU, honestly. And I don't know how good TCU is going to be, but I think they beat them.

Maybe a high scoring game. And, in fact, I think they're going to beat Nebraska the next week. Nebraska is probably going to lay an egg against Minnesota. You'd be a fucking moron to be. bet Nebraska, but I think they're going to actually lay an egg again. And then I think Colorado is going to go and beat Nebraska. I just love the hire. I mean, I'm like a huge Dion fan.

So everything about this hire is great. Jay Feely's kids on the team? It's going to be great. And I hope that if anybody doubts him that their day of reckoning comes at the press conference, at one of these press conferences, I hope they get what's coming to him. because I believe in Dion Sanders at Colorado. That held up pretty well, honestly. I mean, you're what, four for four, five for five?

Yeah, well, four with one pending with the Nebraska game pending. Yep, we'll see what happens there. But awesome. And you know what? It's kind of like coach that's like playing Dynasty mode on NCA. Remember you'd play and you'd try to pick the sickest team that's maybe a little downtrodden with a cool stadium, cool backdrop, like Boulder or something.

You wear your cowboy hat, fucking hit the transfer portal. Well, back then it was just recruiting. But I feel like Dion's playing Sim City with college football. 100%. It's cool. And another thing is, like, not to get political. This isn't political what I'm about to say, so don't turn it off. But I do think we're in this, like, modern kind of like populist era where if you've been

on TV, you got a shot at the White House, man, you know? Helps if it was like maybe a reality show or if you're the rock. Like if the rock ran right now, you'd have to take him seriously. Okay. And I'm not saying that the traditional pipeline to power in our country is like over. There will be lifelong politicians, career politicians that will be president. Hopefully, I can't believe I'm saying that. Because I kind of wanted like Steve Irwin to be president one day.

But like, yeah, you want to do that in college football now, it's the same thing. I'm not saying that Dion doing this means this big flood of. former players is just going to walk in like three years ago. He was at Barstool. Right. Now, he's a great football mind and he's charismatic. So maybe he's the perfect guy for this. I do think there's going to be a trend now where it's like in the era of NIL,

in the era of the transfer portal, when you can swing an entire program's fortune in an offseason by just being on social media, being a former player. Like somebody like Travis Hunter playing both ways, like who can teach him better than Dion? Like, you know, I get nervous now. if I'm a coach and one of my best players is dapping up Deon at fucking midfield. Right. Like TCU. He was hugging some guy.

And I was like, oh, that guy's a buffalo. By the way, they got some sweet uniforms. Another thing cool about picking them in dynasty mode. But I think, like, I think you'll see more of this. Because when you find out, like, hey, we don't need to fucking necessarily go the traditional route. We need to recruit. We need to hire good assistance. We need to hit the portal.

We need an NIL fund. We need boosters to get excited. Like this is the most excitement you've had around Colorado, a school that's not like in a recruiting hotbed. Right. In a long time. And so Dion brought in 80 plus new transfers this past season, beat TCU.

G.J. Kinney brought in 50 plus new transfers and beat Baylor. That was at Texas state. Yeah. So you're seeing it manifests itself. Yeah. It's going to happen more often. Just like fucking. you know like the rock's gonna run for president i mean it's anything's possible now

Wyoming i know from experience having played in laramie and i told you this earlier um in my mind's eye the sign when you walk into that stadium says welcome to hell 7,220 feet and there's flames in the background i think it was just the altitude because i talked about it on this show before i was like you remember that fucking thing they put on a jumbo tron it's like 7,200 feet, welcome to hell. And all these Wyoming folks, these good honest pokes, they're like, nah, dude, that's never been on the Jumbotron. That's how my brain interpret it because it was hell, dude.

You're tired walking up the stairs to get to the fucking stadium. A mile high, God's team, this is like above heaven read. This is another half mile, dude. Dudes were running in quicksand. We played out there at the opener and got beat like 23, 10 or something. Got our asses kicked by a bunch of fucking ranchers, dude. How'd you acclimated? Did you guys go? I played well. I played well. Did you go right away? So, yeah, like we might have been tired because Groh had us out there.

Coach Groh's old school. He was like, we're going to go out there two days early and we're going to get in shape. And we were out there. We were saying some truck stop holiday in. We bust out some field out in the fucking prairie. And, you know, we were gas. So we lost that game. I know how hard it is to play out there. And it was Texas Tech that had the misfortune. I don't know why teams still schedule Wyoming out of conference and go up there. What's the purse for that? It's not worth it because you're going to lose. A bunch of teams have lost them up there that you wouldn't expect.

So Wyoming, my first money line bet, I did it on principle because I know what it feels like playing up there. It was like plus 400. Really saved my Saturday. Game day crew. Stanford Steve America's team The most important player on America's team

in this installment is Stanford Steve what an addition to the game day crew Steve will still be with us this fall he will be on our Friday show but he is going to be traveling

a lot more so we got to keep our guy fresh he got caught in the crossfire he was he was up there looking handsome like he always does handsome devil he is

looking like Bruce Willis and then the background there's this fucking sign and it reads like we chicks get rammed by our Cox which is a really it's just a horny sign it's not even a creative sign not at all but Steve a choir boy that he is ends up in that unfortunate picture with that sign nonetheless America's team Penn State Penn State Marcus Hagan's wide receiver coach at Penn State doing a great job up there obviously receivers look great Penn State, America's team. Big ups to biscuit.

Big ups to biscuit. Looking good on that sideline too. Yeah. Tanned pants with that blue. They got a really good tackle. Fucking, it's just from a lot. Quarterback deal. And those wide receivers, yeah, those wide receivers are good.

They're well coach. Ronald Ocuna got married this week, okay? And I want to congratulate him. You know, like, how about his day? You know, some nuptials in the AM, maybe some consummation. And then you get to the ballpark and you hit a fucking dong. It's worth four points. Grand Slam on the way to beating the Dodgers,

and you're 30, 60 guy in a sport that has been played since 1815, nobody's ever done it. Little asterisk maybe with the base stealing thing. I'll have to ask Jeff Passon, but huge day for him. Getting married in the morning, doing all that in the PM, made me think about my wedding where I broke an antique bedpost at the South Street Inn, not sex-related, just drunk, and then ripped a...

My wife's wedding dress partially. Might have been sex-related. Rahr. No, I wasn't. I was being clumsy. And then, and then, and then,

got yelled at by my own bus driver, trying to start the bus, like outside the venue, yelled at by guys on my fucking payroll. That never happens here. And then, and then seven in the morning, capped it all off.

Yeah, because I was out until seven in the morning. capped it off by exploding a bag of pork rinds on the fucking on the at the register at the lucky seven because I just couldn't wait to get in the cab that's the long ago I got married there was not ubers there were cab and I fucking fucking just couldn't wait to get in the cab exploded the bag of pork rinds all over the fucking register guy looks at me I'm like I just got married like like he doesn't care so anyways when you juxtapose Ronald Ocuna's wedding with my wedding it would make me seem like a real shit bag but every since the wedding my marriage has been great so um i wanted to shout out rano acunia and listen man ron here's the key communication and date night date night's really important okay don't neglect date night date night sarah mclaughlin told me this okay ron hell's kitchen i was on hell's kitchen okay spotlight in our charity it's called the chris long foundation okay you can check it out at chris longfoundation.org.

Sarah McLaughlin was the other charity. It was just her, a bunch of seated dogs. No, it wasn't. It was her and her friends. And they were raising money for the dogs, okay? And I always thought, wonderful lady, because who wouldn't want to raise money for dogs? But when I got to talk to her,

I thought really, really awesome, awesome, down-to-earth human being. and she unsolicited gave me marriage advice because we were talking about like you know work schedule and how she said you got to go out on dates so ron i don't know if you can go out in public but take her to a movie every now and again okay it's a movie about the chicago black socks okay you shoeless joe jackson you know about him probably rent that one worst playing around i'm going to give it to tommy altar okay you motherfucker Tommy

alter you. You're the worst commissioner in America. You know that? Two years running. Last year, you signed the league up on email. Then you switch to text. And then everybody gets confused. And then there was a bunch of aforementioned bullshit that occurred. Okay, I'm not going to, I don't need to rehash all that. But I joined the league again. You know what they say, fool me once. Shame on me. George W. Bush. Fool me. Can't get fooled again. But I did get fooled again. But I did get fooled again. Because I joined Tommy Alter's Bush League, Bush League fantasy football, where he's the commissioner from his little brownstone in Brooklyn, wearing his little fucking newsboy hat, setting the lineups. Fucking while JJ Reddick carries the show. He's just over there setting his lineup.

Fucking old man of the three should be old man in the world's worst fucking commissioner. Okay. Worst flight. I'll get to it. Guys in Manila. You know how I know? Because I can't sign up for the fuck. I can't I can't sign in tonight. He moves the draft to 815 Sunday. It's supposed to be Wednesday because Alex Caruso has a shootaround or some fucking shit. Turns out if you're on pro basketball reference, you can just move the draft. Okay. Guy kisses more basketball players asses than Jeannie Buss.

It's the first person that popped into my head. little Brian Windhorse a fucking guy I'm moving for Alex Caruso but Chris who has three fucking kids in an actual job that's right I don't just sit there and nod along with JJ Reddick I got to work on Sunday night get my three kids down you can't move to draft 15 fucking minutes

because you're at the Manila airport the fuck are you doing in Manila son I hope you get abducted by the guys that fuck with Gerr Butler and plane. I hope the guys from central casting of that movie drag you out into their fucking a suzoo pickup truck and just shake you up real bad. Maybe collect a little ransom from JJ. You know what I hope happens on your flight home from Manila? I hope the TSA agents fucking pull you out on the tarmac and slam me down on your face because you said mom, but they said bomb. That's what I hope happens to you. I hope the flight attendant rolls the beverage card over your little foot

halfway through the flight. You know what I hope happens? No, that's not what I hope happens. I hope it's like a flight situation. I hope the pilot is like a is like a Denzel kind of character and just flips the plane over, but somehow you survive. And you have a fucking,

you have like a ghost of Christmas past situation where you realize all the shitty things you've done in your life, including botching the fuck out of two fantasy drafts. Namely. namely botching. Yeah. And then you have a second chance that you seize

like Bill Murray in Scrooge. But first, I hope you go through that whole thing. I hope that the tenants in the brownstone

you used to live in just beat the shit out of you when you walk walk down to your fucking your Subaru outback tomorrow morning when you get home

from Manila. Oh, I travel. Fuck off, Tommy. Worst commissioner in football. I hope you sit next to a big guy. Hope you sit next to a big guy that smells like onions. I hope you sit between two big guys. I hope it's like a DP.

I hope when you go to open SkyMall, the pages are sticky. You fucking, you asshole. I hope all the movies are in Vietnamese, which obviously you don't know because you're just a dumb American. that goes to other countries and doesn't learn the language. I know Swahili. Poli poli. That means slowly.

That's how I hope your fucking flight moves. I hope it gets delayed four times. I hope you got to sit next to a fucking service peacock or something like that. I hope your entire fantasy football team is plagued by curable and inconvenient diseases. Like mononucleosis. Hope they're just out there making out. Oh, you got Bijon Robinson? He's making out with chicks like he's in Austin at Magic City.

Four to six weeks. Red letters. Your whole team. No, I don't want to bejohn's on my other fantasy football team. I don't need that. Taking a page out of that Gals book that wrote us a couple weeks ago. I hope Kwame Brown comes on Old Man of the Three. It just gets annoyed with you and just roughs you up on the internet.

fucking ass Jim Everton Yeah Hope newsboy hats Go out of style I think they already Yeah I hope you never realize

that newsboy hats Have gone out of style Tommy Alter Tommy Alter my Sunday night By fucking it up Because you can't manage A fantasy league I should go sign

A fucking futures contract So you can Offer to buy me groceries and shit Move the draft for Alex Caruso for fuck's sake i like alex cruso making me hate

alex crusoe the only good thing about being in your fantasy league is that fucking it's like jason galliger and taylor rooks and pf t commenter i hope speaking all those people i hope one of your star-studded celebrity dinners that you take pictures of

the chef finds out that tommy altars sitting there because he heard this segment he just drags his balls across your beef strogan off and you don't know it hope tsa finds that dildo of yours. Oh, fuck you, Tommy. You can make it up to me by inviting me to Wrigley Field for the 15th time.

I'm going to fuck about baseball. You don't have a 30-60 players on the Cubs, though. I know that. There's only one of those. Ronald Acuna. Mr. Ronald Acuna. you. Okay. I call him Ron. Best seat in the house. That's our new name for the award we will be giving out every Monday to a guy that had a good seat to watch a game. You know, like the perspective of Chris Jones

watching the Detroit lines is interesting to me this coming Thursday. Not this Thursday. Of course, last Thursday, I thought that the NFL season started that. That, Thursday. I actually let you motherfuckers let me go through a whole guess the line segment. I was like, can't wait for the games this weekend. I thought it's going to be great. I thought the lines had just come out. We kept it tight. We're even going to, we might even throw that social out. Jesus. You guys who's like some friends you are, but you let me wear a newsboy hat. It wouldn't say anything. I'm doing a whole segment. I sound like I'm an idiot. So anyways, the game this Thursday is the lions and the uh well next thursday is the lions and the chiefs okay i need to get a calendar

but uh it's confusing college football starts in fucking july yeah so viewing party is gone because it's just a little morbid and confusing everybody was like viewing party fly on the wall what the fuck is the difference okay chris jones first award winner um everybody knows the deal by now mike florio said he laid it out he was like all right christ jones wants 84 5 84 or 5 over three years okay uh what they've offered is evidently 74 over three years um that would respectively put his paycheck at 282 and 24 6 it's not a big difference okay what they're fighting over first off i want to say it's interesting i know that you build a team based on value and all that shit and you're like well we don't want to overpay anybody and that

sort of thing but it's three three and some change mill Okay, it's a lot of money in a real sense, but like in a football sense, you're talking about like Mike Edwards, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, Allegretti, the, you know, the swing guard. So like, you know, you're talking about one of those guys. Okay. And when you talk about value and trying to not overpay and that sort of thing, if I'm in the Philippines with Tommy Alter and I need some dip, I'm going to pay whatever I have to pay to get that hit a nicotine. I mean, back when I used to be a Codiak guy, you know, you'd be in some foreign country. I'm like, yeah, fuck, how many euros? Like, yeah, my whole budget for the rest of the trip.

That's the situation the chiefs are in, man. Like, it's not like you can look at this from a value standpoint and just stick to your guns. Your defense is way different. And you're a team that's supposed to win the Super Bowl, like odds on favorite, right? You got Patrick Mahomes. The guy's young, right? He's in the prime of his career. how many shots at this thing do you get?

Try to win right now. And that's my attitude. I'm a player, that sort of thing. But pay the guy, man. I don't know why this is such a big issue. Chiefs fans will tell me, hey, you know, honor your contract, blah, blah, blah. He's not Aaron Donald. I get it.

He's not how this works. So he's not even asking for Aaron's money. Did Christian Kirk have to be D'Andre Hopkins or whoever it was before that? I mean, no, that's not how this works. Not only that, Chris Jones is three years younger than Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald last year when he signed that deal was 31. Chris is 29. So there are some differences.

And Quinnon is the guy that he'd be splitting difference with at 24-6 a year. And listen, that's not apples to apples because Quinnin's 24 years old. So, you know. Andy only had one year of production. Chris Jones has done this over. over, you know, the last few seasons. Even so, like last year was a big jump for him in production. He had 15 sacks.

He made so many plays for them down the stretch, like that if he's not in the field, they don't win the Super Bowl. And you could be looking up at the end of this season and say, damn, dude, like, we really should have just paid this guy. I think what's interesting, you don't see this in every holdout situation, but having a guy that's at odds with a team who's going into a game against a team that can exploit that very void. Chris Jones, not being on the field against that Detroit offensive line.

Hank Fraley, my dude, offensive line coach, play with him. He's a great coach. He's got those guys coached up while. They're great players. Fraley, another Freddie Kitchen's kind of dead ringer for somebody in my softball league, like Davis Electric. But Hank can coach some ball. And that offensive line is a bad matchup for Kansas City.

Now, if you're Kansas City, you're thinking, And hey, not only do we want to win this game, but we don't want to look like, hey, we miss Chris Jones. I mean, you might say, hey, that's stupid. They're just trying to win the game. But they would take 100 times out of 100 winning a low scoring game over a shootout because they can't stop the run. Because leverage is going to swing one way or the other Friday morning. And I think that's what's really interesting about this thing is, you know, a lot of times you see holdouts. You got to figure like, hey, how is this person going to help or not help?

if they get the ball run up their ass Thursday, you know Chris Jones. He wants them to win this game. But if I'm Chris Jones, I don't care if my absence is felt. You know, like let's win and my value needs to be reinforced. And it might be Thursday. So that's a really interesting one. The stat everyone's throwing around is with Chris Jones on the field the last five years, the chiefs are first in the NFL QB pressure pressure percentage without Chris Jones.

They're 28. This is all the last five years of the NFL. Yeah. And look at the last five years. How many edge rushers have they had? Like vets, guys that could rush. Like they've had, it's not been like a hugely talented group, but compare it to this year. Right.

You're going to need Karloftus to step up. You're going to need Omenahoo to come back and play some good ball for you. I know that there's guys that. we don't know about that are going to step up. But come on, like, if you're a Chiefs fan, you can't tell me you wouldn't want, like, hey, we're going to let Clyde Edwards Elair walk. And that's the kind of money we've got to account for with Chris Jones. I don't want to oversimplify it, but that's the way I look at it.

And on a related note, like, I was talking to, you know, some Barris fans on Twitter. Because evidently, they were in the Chris Jones sweepstakes. And, you know, some were saying, hey, we, we'd like to have that draft capital in an offseason when it's time to decide for sure if Justin Fields is the guy. Like we need this year. Buddy, you kind of just made that decision. I do feel like, you know, for a couple reasons. Number one, you saying, I'm not going to make this pick. I'm going to trade out. It's kind of saying like we're riding this bus for a little bit. And you should because the guy

has a ton of talent. He's got a differentiating factor that makes him in the modern football era dangerous, even if his passing doesn't get to the level of like what happened to Josh, Josh Allen. I think about like that jump. If he takes half that jump, I still think it's the right the right move, right? So, you know, some want to say, hey, we'll wait to the off season. What happens when you're seven and 10 and Drake May and Caleb Williams are like off the board like that what happens like what are you using that draft capital for and so maybe again it's the player in me but i want to win now you know like let's fucking do it surround him with the right players now yeah so you can know he's the guy the jalen hurts thing yeah that we've talked about a couple

times which is like why would you not want to stack the deck in your favor as the decision maker if i'm howie roseman or if i'm ryan poles like i want to look like i made the right decision and I want to be good right now. So DJ Moore, Tremaine Edmonds, Unique in Gokwee, like, what kind of moves were those? Like, were they win later moves?

I don't think so. I think they're win now moves. So I think you've got to trust your gut and fucking try to win now. Now maybe they would have felt like they got fleeced. You know, maybe Kansas City was asking for too much. Maybe signing the deal after the trade would have been another hurdle.

didn't want to deal with that. Matt made a good point in the first podcast, which was that, like, if I'm Kansas City, maybe I'm saying, we'll catch Aaron Donald week seven. Because, again, like, the Rams, I've been saying this, they're not in a winning position this year.

I mean, Cooper Cup the other day, I'm not trying to boil it down to a hamstring injury, but getting a second opinion on a hamstring, it was supposed to be like one thing, now it's another, he's out in the, that Seattle game, by the way, as a sidebar, Jamal Adams, and Weatherspoon, Wetherspoon,

are not playing that game. Maybe that's the thing where you're like, Cooper Cups not playing. These guys are 85%. Let's get them out the gate a little healthy. Maybe you'll see more teams because there's more tanking this year than any year I can remember. Ever before. So like, you know, if you play the Bucks week 14

and you got a good guard that's 75%. He's grunting through a high ankle. and you're playing the Cardinals, okay? I know this goes against like a football mind. Like some coaches would be like, you fucking kidding me? But like, sit that guy down. By the way, I bet that Rams win total under six and a half or something.

It's like seems high to me. Cooper Cup with the injury and everything. Look at the defense. I know there's some guys who have played in the secondary, but I got on that win total. Maybe you can catch Aaron Donald down the line, you know, because by week six, week seven you know we talked about the possibility of these guys saying hey fuck it like if you're

gonna sell like let's just sell because eventually taxman comes when you've been you know just burning draft capital and he's here and i think to less his credit who i think is a really smart guy you got to know when to say when i think right now is the time to say when and maybe week seven erin donald who's already on a deal maybe doesn't command as much as chris jones for whatever a reason. And maybe you think he's a better player. You'll catch him then. All I'm saying, though, is make moves if you're Chicago to win right now,

because you already are, you know? Might as well just go all in rather than the 80%. Yeah, I don't like that half-step and thing. Another thing is if I'm Ryan Poles or I'm Matt Eberfluse, like, am I like, yeah, I can burn a year here? No, I don't think so. I don't think fans would be okay. You know, if you hit the reset button in a year, you're going to last

that kid's rookie deal that's what yeah it's one more year one more year off of you know the guys that you brought in to do yeah to do you know to do what they do um i bet you mad eager flus is is you know figuring pace has a lot more control there with personnel is probably thinking go get me chris jones yeah you know and it's a wide open and i've seen north yep absolutely Anyways, that's football and everything I think about Tommy Alter. Joe Douglas is great, though. I hope he has a great flight wherever he's going. I did pick him to win the Super Bowl,

which means it's not going to happen. But I hope they have a really good year at the very least, kind of the kiss of death. It is harder than you think picking Super Bowl winners. I mean, you're trying not to be too chalky, you know, the whole thing. You don't want to look like you just filled it out, like looking at, you know, Mike Reese's picks on ESPN.

Like you'll go through the whole, the face chart. It'd be interesting. I was thinking about this the other night to go back at real outlier picks in preseason, like people that got things right and see if they included the right reasons. You know what I mean? Like, right. You know, like if you really knew what you were doing or were you just throwing darts and you hit the bull's eye, you know, were you that blind squirrel,

or did you know why it was going to happen? Or like, hey, nineers are going to go to the Super Bowl? but because they have this kid that nobody knows about. Joland Dunbar, by the way, 0.04 on a grid, is going to knock him out on the sideline, and then this kid with an afro is going to come in

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Last minute tickets. Lowest price, guaranteed. All right, as promised, joining me now, my buddy, GM of the New York Jets, and I'll just say it right now and he doesn't have to react, but I did pick the Jets to win the Super Bowl this year. Welcome to the show, Joe Douglas. What's up, brother? How you doing?

I'm good. I like how you just glossed over the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's blocking right over that one. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I know. I know it's that time of year, man. There's a lot going on. Hey, maybe the first question is starting a positive note. What's one thing you're really excited about that you didn't realize you'd be on this team coming out of camp? Oh, man.

I really like how we're developing as an offensive line. As much as that goes against the media narrative that's out there. We're getting healthy at the right time. It's good to get big, big Dwayne back in the fold, get him rolling. And, you know, Mackay's been having an unbelievable preseason. So that's been great seeing that group come together throughout training camp. Because as you know, like these guys, These guys are going against one of the best D-lines in football every single day.

So it's a little bit of a trial by fire. But it's good to see them develop as camp is going on. What specifically besides just getting healthy can Mackay do to be that player that you guys thought he'd be? And I've seen it in flashes. What does he have to do going into this season? What has he done in camp? I think with Mackay, it's just maintaining that, level of consistency. And he's done such a good job of that. And, you know, it was funny because I just,

I just did my pressure with our beat. And when I was watching Mackayah warm up prior to the Tampa Bay preseason game, and he's bouncing around and he's, he's like John and he's got energy and juice. And I was like, okay, this is going to be, this is going to be good. And he just went out and played an unbelievable game. So he's primed and ready. And so, you know, I think, I think, I think, think he stays consistent and we can we can stay healthy it's going to be a good group is it an adjustment for no line like you think obviously with erin rogers coming in one of the best to ever do it it's like oh your job gets easier but there are probably with your oline background and just seeing these guys work there's probably a couple things that become a little bit more difficult because

the things maybe erin wants it and there's like a learning process whether it's with the checks or communication. What can you pinpoint as things that guys actually maybe had to work on because of the level of quarterback play entering the building? Well, I think you probably can attest to it going against Aaron, but Aaron views the cadence as a weapon for the offense. And so there is a very detailed outline of how he wants to approach the cadence. And I know it's unique. for a lot of people. And so there's a little adjustment period there. But I think as camp has progressed, guys really seldom into it.

Yeah, it happened to me a couple of times in St. Louis in 2012. He got three of us to jump and hit Jordy Nelson for those 60 yards. And, of course, my first thing is to look to the left and the right of me to make sure I'm not the only one off sides, which I wasn't. So with Aaron, like, what's his personality been like? You probably didn't know him, you know? like, and I think there's a lot of preconceived notions about who he is. You spent time with him not just in the process, but now that he's in the building. Has anything surprised you about who he is?

Yeah, just from the beginning. My first time spending any amount of time with him was that trip out to Malibu to hang with him and his agent at his house, which, by the way, I didn't want to leave. Nice house, huh? Oh, man, just. Does he have a pool? A lot of Zen there was just. Oh yeah. It's great. But like, um, just just spend a time with him and getting to know like how

genuine a guy he is and how he he wants to know about you, um, all about you as a person. Your philosophy is kind of where you've been, how you've been brought up. I feel like he's that way with everybody. Um, yeah. And so he's, he's, it's been easy for him to, to connect with people here and really build relationships. you know, no matter if you're an old 47 year old guy like me or if you're a 24 year old rookie of the year. Like he has a way to connect with everybody. When you were in the middle of that thing, were you ever like, holy shit, I'm, I am the main character or one of the main characters in the biggest story in sports because this thing

just went a while and it was like people didn't know what was going on and I just thought it was crazy. I never hit you up because I don't want to make people tell me things that they don't want to tell me, but like, what was it like just going through that and were there moments where it looked like it might fall through? Were the things that people thought that were just completely off, off base that were crazy to hear on a daily basis? Yeah, you know me, Chris, like, I'm sitting there at his house and like, is this really happening? Like, am I really sitting here talking to Aaron Rogers about coming and playing for a team that I work with? Like, is this real?

So there was quite a few the moments like that over the last few months it's continuing to happen honestly. But yeah, it was wild. It's what's wild now seeing all the attention

and all the all the spotlight of us and our team. It's crazy. And just things that are said that are just completely offbeat and crazy. and you just you shrug it off because it just some of this attention just it gets out of hand. How about what he's done for Zach Wilson?

Because I like, I can see it. I know as a young player when I've had issues with my confidence or, you know, I haven't played to my standard, it really helps to have a vet, even if he's the guy taking your reps away to come in and take you under his wing. And I can see that on TV. So how does that translate to Zach Wilson's confidence in maybe his career trajectory? Yeah, because Aaron is an intense and fiery competitor, but he's also a very calming presence with his teammates in terms of after the play, getting guys together, providing some nuggets and insights on different things that he saw. But also, you know, given some challenges to guys like Zach and Garrett and other guys.

And so it's been, that's been one of the really cool things about this is watching Aaron take all these players. It's not just, it's not just guys like Garrett and Zach. It's guys like softs, guys like Quinn and just taking guys under their wing, giving them little tidbits of what he saw to try to help their game. That's been probably the coolest thing to see out here at training camp every day. When did you first hear about the big team friendly thing he did? because this to me was like, I don't know if it got enough attention. It's totally unprecedented, isn't it?

Because sometimes you hear about pay cuts and they're like restructures. I remember one time we got patted on the back for a restructure. Like I was taking a big pay cut. I was like, yeah, sure, thanks. But this is a real pay cut. So when did you first hear about it? Did you believe it? Yeah.

I mean, there was a few discussions leading up to the break after OTAs. But then really, once we got back for, training camp and it was we're a couple days in and it's like hey let's get this thing done and then um you know it's almost like you want to like celebrate with some kind of you know major like press clipping but you know Aaron it's just like no man it's good like we're good and uh yeah but again it's it's really emblematic of his time here

He's been an authentic, genuine, selfless teammate. And I think that was a big example of it. You mentioned Garrett. After seeing him for a year, you know, I guess I didn't ask you this the last time you were on the show, but did he have a comp coming in? And do you see somebody now that he's been in a league for a year that might instruct you on his ceiling? Yeah. You know, Chris, like when we get in the draft room, we're trying to comp guys from previous drafts. And so, like, just the route running, the ability to separate the explosiveness in the lower body. I mean, he's like Gumby out there running routes.

Like, there's like an Odell-type bend, explosiveness, separation ability. Justin Jefferson route running ability great ball skills great after they catch so those are all the things that we saw on the tape but you never know somebody

until you live with him right and so we knew we'd heard what type of character what type of person he was and you know a big reason for his success last year was he came in day one I mean he's a pro's pro

pro like he's locked in he's focused he's smart he's competitive he's energetic he's again a guy that like it's fun to be around and and connect with all of his teammates and people like gravitate towards him so like when you when you see the combination of the physical ability and the the intangibles and character come together it's like wow okay this dude could be really special and um you went out and had a really good rookie year. Yeah, he was great and he looks great already with Aaron. How about Breece and his rehab and, you know, there's just such an unfortunate injury because he was having such a great year that draft class, some real studs in there. How's he coming along? And then with Dalving coming in, how are they different enough to not be redundant and be a real

weapon as a unit? Yeah. Breese, I mean, Breece was on track. You could say that Breast was on track. to win offensive the rookie the year. I think I felt like he was getting me to go off for for two hundi on the on the Broncos that day. And then unfortunately he had the injury, but day one, he's been attacking rehab. I mean, he's in this building. He's like one of the first guys in this building every day for rehab and working his tail off. And so it was no surprise that he was cleared the week of the Tampa Bay practice. as to reenter practice.

And so I felt like, I felt like Aaron had a pretty cool comp for him in one of those pressers. He comped him to Ammon Green, who Amman, he said Amman was one of the fastest guys on the field, but it didn't even look like he was going that fast. And Breece is kind of the same way. I think there's a, I think there's a real deceptive run style that he has that makes it difficult for backers and safeties to track him. you know and because he looks like he's not going fast but he's gaining so much ground and so you

he's like jogging to the flat yeah nobody's jogging fast and guys guys are like a half man behind him when they're when they're attacking they're attacking the alley and it's like yeah man this guy this guy can roll and uh you see that he caught he caught a little slant route um split out out as a wide receiver and he just gust of wind man smoked through a keyhole And, you know, Dalvin, you know, Dalvin's out here at practice. And Dalvin, Dalvin is like the definition of Twitch and suddenness. And his feet are just electric, you know, and, you know, and Jane cut on a dime and burst and acceleration.

And I think they're really going to complement each other well. And they're both great dudes that love ball. And they just want to, they just want to come in, know the offense, work their butt off and win games. And so Dauvin's been a really cool addition. How about something that kind of went under the radar, but the Conklin edition, you know, you guys have now a guy that you can split out, you can move them around, you talked about moving Brise around, and, you know, leaning into that kind of positionless deal that we talk about a lot on this podcast when it comes to offense. What is having a second tight end like that do for y'all? Yeah, you know, Com, you nailed it.

Like that was a really under the radar acquisition because conch is a like a warrior mentality, relentless competitor. But he's got like legit sneaky route skills like feet, balance body control, that initial burst out of the break. You know, he can he can create that separation on linebackers. He's like a really polished route runner. And a real student of the game like he gets it. And it's been it's been.

cool watching him and Aaron develop a relationship. And I think, I think we, we're blessed to have a good tight end room because, you know, CJ, CJ's an awesome dude. And he's, he's like that big inline wide, but he can also roll. He can run. He can, he can threaten defenses up the scene. Big catch radius, strong hands, you know, really competitive blocker. And then, you know, We've got this second year player out of Ohio State, Jeremy Rockert, that's been, he's been awesome. He's had as good of offseason as any one of our players. And so we have a good group of tight ends.

Yeah, it should be fun. Nice to get into 12. How about on defense? We've talked about this kid over text message, but Will McDonald is a guy that gets me pretty excited to watch. There's just something about him. I was careful about coming to this conclusion, but just looking at him move around. I'm not saying he's going to be Alden Smith yet, but I kind of like that.

You know, he's got that little Gumby-ish thing. And when you watch him on tape, I don't know if this matters to you guys, but I think he gains grass better than any of your edge guys. So, you know, people try to boot you guys to death or take you guys off your spot rushing. He's a guy who can close quick on a boot. He can run down plays. What have you seen from him? And, you know, I think you gave me a comp over text message.

Who was that? I can't remember. Yeah, it was, I mean, obviously, he broke a pretty good players. Sack record at the Big 12. So I won't, that's rarefied error to say he's like Vaughn. But like, he's an avatar, man. Like, he is long, super long and super flexible. and like he can he can bend the edge and like his shoulders are like four inches off the ground you know when he's turning the corner and i think what's what's really unique about him because

you know will's not a 270 pound um dude but he is he's really strong at the top of his rush so like when he when he captures the edge um he's not getting widened by the offensive tackle like he's able to maintain that line to the quarterback he like he can dig like every cleat into the ground. His cleats are in the ground. Yeah. Yeah. He like stays anchored into the ground as he's capturing the edge. And so he's giving some of these dudes absolute fits. And then on top of it, there's the spin move that, I mean, I won't put it into the rare

freeney air, but like his spin move is giving people a lot of problems because they can come at any time in any direction. So there's a lot of cool trace to work with. But one of the coolest things about his game outside of his physical billy is that this guy plays hard all the time. His motor and effort, it fits the group. You know, he's he's one of them. You know, he goes all the time. Where do you get your veteran presence from in that defensive line room?

Because the thing I love about it, I watched them on tape the other night. I think maybe Jermaine had a sack. You guys are running a game to one side, and I think somebody popped back in, and I think it might have been Jermaine, but everybody was celebrating together. You can tell they love each other. You can tell there's no egos, which I think has to be an intentional process for you. I can remember in Philly, we didn't have any egos. You know, we were eight deep, but guys all did what they had to do to make it work for the team, whether it was BG kicking inside or something Fletch had to do or myself. or like, we just had good people.

And I feel like you've designed it the same way up there. Yeah. I mean, that was such a special group of guys in Philly. And, I mean, the D-Line room, that was like the engine. The D-Line and O-Line room was the engine of that team. And it was filled with, like, awesome, awesome dudes. And then you throw in guys like Seleck and Sprolesey. I felt like the locker room was just, the locker room was like the catalyst.

Tori Smith, like, such good dudes. Good people. Just good people. And like good things are bound to happen, right? When you have a bunch of good people that are really talented and love being together. And so I feel like that kind of sums up the D-Line room. And like they, it's a good mix because you've got Will.

You've got your main. We got Bryce Huff. They're younger guys. You know, we got JFM who started his career with the Rams. Carl Lawson, who started his career. in Sincy. He's your vet, maybe, Carl Lawson. Is he your oldest guy?

Carl's probably the vet of the edge guys. But then some really, some great acquisitions, like Sallie. Sallie is a dude. He is like a stud, Solomon Thomas. Like he is, he is awesome, awesome guy. Checks his ego at the door. He'll do whatever.

Al Woods, you know, he's, he's been doing it for a while. and he's just, he's a dog and he loves ball, Quinn Jefferson. So it's like a cool mix. And, you know, all headed up by Quinnin, who's just, who's got some real freaky stuff to him. Like, it's a, it's a good mix of personalities and experience, but the common denominator is they're great guys. Was there a game last year that you remember that the kitchen sink was thrown at Quinn and Williams the most? because I feel like he's kind of crossing that echelon of a guy that you plan around. You know, there's different kinds of guys, and I think it manifests in prep, in film prep,

when you get the big team in the room. And, you know, if you're building your offensive game plan around a guy, that's the threshold for being in that echelon. I think he's there. Yeah. Like, I think when you watch him play, you're like, when you're saying who's a guy that can completely wreck the game for you. he has to be one of the first guys you look at and say this this dude can completely wreck the game as an interior defender.

And so I felt like as the season progressed last year, every team, he was getting constantly doubled. So, which in turn is going to free up a lot of opportunities for other guys. So, but yeah, I felt like the, from like that mine, that Dolphins game, remember, remember when he had when he picked up the fumble and stiff arm, Tyree. Like I feel like from that game forward, he was just, um, everybody was like locking in to stop him that guy. Yeah. Trying to. And, and I got to tell you, man, I got a special place in my heart for this Huff kid. I just love watching him rush. He, uh, all he does is win rushes. He doesn't lose rushes, you know, he doesn't get stuck. He's versatile. He gets off the rock. He, he gets off the rock. He, he, he, he

He plays hard. I just really like that kid. What can you say about Bryce Huff? He is pure speed. Like he is electric takeoff. Like electric takeoff. Like top five takeoff in the National Football League takeoff. So anybody you've had before that has a getoff like him?

Probably Chris Long. I was going to say you can't say me, especially 33-year-old me. I'll send you some clips though the other day. I was looking at some shit from like 2010. I was like, ah, to be young. But, like, you know, you've had guys in Baltimore. You know, Derek Barnett had a really twitch-you-get-off. Yeah, it was great at the top of the rush in the way that you described, you know, Will.

But is there anybody that's been as twitchy that you've had on your team? Man, that's a, I don't think I've been around a guy that has that kind of juice off the snap. Like we had a We had a kid from Florida Atlantic or Florida International back in Baltimore named Barnes was his last name. He was really fast snap. But like Bryce is just pure gas.

Like pure gas. And that's what makes the edge group kind of cool because you've got you got power rushers. You've got speed. You got fastballs. You got everything. Like we, you know, Mike Clemens and JFM, they can go right through you.

Germain can win with speed and power. You know, Bryce, and there's another, Bryce is another guy that's really strong at the top of his rush. Like he's got like that bulldog bill of like a James Harrison type like bulldog load of the ground. But like, but strong, you know, so it's hard to move him off of that rush line. I feel like he's a no-glove guy. No, he's wearing gloves. Okay, he's like, he's got that throwback thing going on. No, he wears gloves.

Okay, so talking about the coverage on the back end of this thing, you know, I think Sauce gets a lot of credit, rightfully so, but there are other guys in that secondary who have done a really good job. How exciting has it been, and do the guys up front know how lucky they are? Russian cover, brother. There's two words in there. It ain't just rush. Yeah, rush and cover, you know.

And so we've got a good group back there. And like DJ Reed, you know, sauce was defensive rookie year, but DJ Reed is, is awesome. Instinctive, tough. He's, he can press you up. He can match you in man. He's got great zone eyes. He's got ball skills.

Like, he's, he's a dude. And then my. Michael Carter on the inside. Like he can run the show as a nickel in terms of he's so instinctive, athletic and he's fast. Jordan Whitehead. You know, Jordan,

Jordan is, he's so smart, competitive, he's strong. Excited about, excited about, I think the cat's starting to get out of the bag. We'll see soon, but Tony Adams is a young second year player on drafted freeager from Illinois

who we're all excited about. Illinois, Illinois's done some awesome things with their secondary. I think they've got like seven. Yeah, I got another dude. That are getting drafted and playing in the NFL. So that's like a pipeline right now. Hey, what went into the decision?

Because I thought it was a good one. And I kind of, I wondered if you were a catalyst for this. But when you all were like, no, we're not cutting people on Hard Knocks this year. Because, you know, as we've discussed before, you used to be the Grim Reaper. and that that you know although we joke about you don't want to see the grim reaper and we you know we we we we laugh about it every day but cut day it is a very tough day and uh you know i totally understand why you guys wouldn't want to include it what went into that whole process yeah when we when we found out we were doing hard knocks it was really cool because robert like immediately like

text me he's like i don't want to show any players getting cut and i'm like brother you we see it the exact same way. Like, there's no way. No way we're going to, we're going to do that. Like, these kids put their heart and soul into this thing every day. And we're not going to, like, exploit, like, one of the worst moments in their life. We're not doing that. Like, those are, those are brutal conversations and having to be the Turk on the show before. Like, you just, you just think about the players and you think about everything that they put in to this game and that they're they've lived and died for this moment for their whole life and like yeah we're we're going to we're going to protect that do you think that the black crows

ever used to fuck with the eagles on tour i like i saw that i saw that snippet you know did you like that speech did you get it from instagram where did robert get i think i think i think I think the black crows could have taken the Eagles at that point just because of the age difference. You know, I think the Eagles, as great as they are, might have been out of their prime when the crows hit their peak in the early 90s. You know, she talks to angels, you know. Yeah. Uh-huh. No, the black crows are underrated.

I just wonder. They're hopeful, man. They're awesome. Before he gives a speech like that, which is a good. speech. And actually the message resonates. Is he like, Joe, I got some today? Or does he just go up there? Do you know what he's going to hit in those team meetings? No. So I love, one, I love his team meetings, okay? And I can't wait for his stories. So I kind of don't want to know. You know, I don't really because I want to like be, I want to hear what he has to say. And it was such a great message

because, and he's, and he's spot on, right? Like, with. this with all this attention that this team's getting there's going to be so many people that want you to trip and fall flat on your face and so just just keep your poise go about your business do things the right way and let the chips fall like don't worry about this attention don't worry about what people have to say just go out and do it every day can you ask him for me and maybe you just text me later what the motivation for the crows is because it just doesn't seem like there's much in it for them and they end up dead on the ground. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, I don't know. Are the Eagles like attacking their nest? Is it like a territorial thing? I don't know.

You got to, Robert's got to tell you. I haven't seen that national geographic episode, but there's got to be a territorial issue. It's from Instagram Reels, Joe. It's from Instagram Reels. It's not from that jeal. The Eagles, you know, the Black Crow is they're not going to sing Hotel California, man. Like, that's, you're not going to approach in that turf. And the Eagles,

they better not think she talks to angels. Like, no, that, that, you know, now,

now we got problems. Yeah, yeah. Did you see him as Soprano? Do you watch any of these hard knocks? Did you see the intro with him as Tony Soprano? Yeah, I saw,

I saw the drive into the stadium. I should thought that was pretty cool. And, and like, I'm ashamed to say that I haven't, I've got to watch a soprano. I got to watch this. You haven't watched The Sopranos.

I haven't watched the Sopranos. Not once. Not once. I got to get into it. There's such so limited time for me. You've got to let me know what you think about the ending. You know, is it, okay, I'd ask you this. Is it as good or better than Breaking Bad?

I think it's probably better. I think I was probably a prisoner of the moment with Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is really good, but the last season was a little wacky to me. So yeah, I think the Sopranos is great and I got to rewatch it. But when you get there, let me know what you think about the ending. You really haven't had the ending spoiled for you? Like, no. Nice thing about living under a rock and being a GM is not the ending soprano.

I know the ending and I know all the, you know, I've seen snippets. I've seen episodes like I haven't watched, I haven't watched the Sopranos and I haven't watched The Wire, even though I've lived right next to where the wire was being filmed. That's the one. Yeah. I got to watch those two shows. Okay, so two nuggets for you.

Were you going to it? Eric Mangini's in the Sopranos and so is Tony Saragusa. Goose, the best. Yeah. God rest of soul, man. That guy was the coolest. He was the coolest. He treated me so good.

He was like, you know, I met him at the Super Bowl and never talked to him before. And within an hour, we were out having beers, like on his invitation. invitation. He's just, he's a special dude. You know, he, he hated scouts. He hated scouts.

He hated scouts because did he really? He was drafted later, undrafted. And so whenever, whenever, whenever he'd walk by us, he'd be like,

you guys don't know what the fuck you're looking at. You know, he just bucked our balls all the time. He's such a good dude. That's good. He was awesome. He was the best. man if the Jets were a band who are the Jets what kind of music are the Jets playing you built the band

you got to have an answer I think I think the Jets would be would be hip hop okay young fresh exciting man okay yeah I'm thinking like a little bit of edge like like like early 90s hip hop like a little bit of like an edge you know an edge but young and electric relaxation All right. Well, so what's the best live show you've ever been to, Joe? I don't want to go, recency bias. So I'm really diving deep because I just saw Eric Church and he was good. He was good. He's really good. Dude, Stapleton's awesome. Coming to Seaville, a couple months. Yep.

Stapleton. And are you caught up on your sexy red? And it can be Chuck in, guitar, and let's, I'll just sit there. Am I caught up on who? Sexy Red. It's a rapper that they're playing. It was featured on Hard Knocks. I don't know if you saw that scene.

A bunch of old guys were- What I don't know that is this? All the young guys knew exactly who it was. Okay. And then the final music question, the final music question for you, Joe, would be this. Settle a debate I've been having with some of my fans of Guns and Roses, my buddies who liked Guns and Rowe.

You saw them? Just saw them weeks ago. How did Axel look? He looked. He looked good. Okay. All things considered. Okay.

Estranged or November rain? Flash. Say it again. Estranged or November rain. Which song? November rain. I agree with you. That's why you're my guy.

But really, I'm a night train guy. Okay. I love nitrain. Okay. I love appetite for destruction. Yes, you do. like shake my you. Good, good. I would be really be cranking, cranking appetite destruction playing Mike Tyson's punch out until like 3 a.m.

Yeah, we got to do a whole video game section because that's that, I didn't realize how much you played video games. They said Joe Douglas would be in a pool of sweat and he wouldn't stop playing. He'd be playing Mike Tyson. That's my dad, my dad. Yeah, because I would be like, I was the kid that, and that's why I can't play video games anymore because I would get the game and my my sole focus on life is to beat that game. And I am not stopping until I win. Which game? Metroid.

Metroid. Metroid. I put so much time into Metroid and like Mega Man. Yeah. This is like I'm like 10, 11, 12 years old. Like I'm only 36 at the time, but. Yes. You're, yeah, different decade.

But like, it's just me. listening to death leopard hysteria and appetite for destruction just trying at the just booming those records those tapes and trying to beat those games is there a game you couldn't beat is there one game you couldn't beat Zelda I stopped I stopped with legend of Zelda I was like this is just dropped me insane you remember used to have to go in the little house and meet that sketchy guy in the little and he gave me he was like what are you giving me bro. I was just like,

fuck this game. Thank you for the time, Joe Douglas. We got a little bit of everything and that's great. All right. All right, brother. See you.