Green Light with Chris Long - Joe Montana! HOF Career, 49ers QB Situation & QB Play from SBLVII

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

(3:49) - Joe's Memorabilia Auction, Super Bowl Memories and Joe has an ALL-TIME Chris Story. (17:46) - SBVII, Joe's Assessment of Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady's Retirement and Differences Between Today's NFL and Joe's era. (46:30) - Joe's Career in San Francisco, 49ers Current QB Situation and Splitting Time with Steve Young. (55:46) - 'The Catch' and Friendship with Dwight Clark, and Career in Kansas City. You can find more information about Joe's memorabilia auction, including some great items available until the end of February, at this website: http://bit.ly/3YszgKH Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A wonderful special guest today. It is Joe Montana. That's right. Joe Cool steps into Virtual Studio J. And Joe is an open book. He's going to talk about plenty, the 49ers quarterback situation. Super Bowl 57, Chiefs Eagles from the other night. The call, instant replay, how Patrick Mahomes impresses him. He talks about Tom Brady's career, and then Joe dives into his own career. The Super Bowl wins, the injuries, the teammates, the amazing plays, the memorabilia,

which he actually has some for sale at Golden Auctions. You can find the link in the description of the podcast. He also takes Chris down memory lane, so make sure you keep your ears open for that little nugget in the episode. Also a couple programming notes. We have Amazon AMP on Thursday at 4.30 p.m. Make sure you tune into that. On the AMP app on your phone, Friday, we're back with The Freak Show. And then next week, we're moving to our offseason of two episodes a week.

And I'll just tease it now. You might hear a little bit more making. You might hear a little bit more facts. Maybe Kyle could be Bow Allen in there. But just so you're aware, we're going to two episodes a week next week, heading to the offseason schedule. Now enjoy Chris and Joe Montana. All right.

So this morning, we were talking a lot about Patrick Mahomes, you know, and where he sits among the greatest. quarterbacks of all time now that he's off to start he's off to you can't mention the greatest quarterbacks of all time unless you mention joe montana a guy that i got to know as a kid a little bit and and now he joins my podcast so this is pretty damn cool joe do you remember he was running around at the pro bowl i feel like i shared a car with you a couple times you know what i think i'm pretty sure it was you yeah was me but can i tell an embarrassing moment yes i think it was I'm almost positive was you might have been your brother.

So we're at the Hall of Fame. Do you remember this? Sure. We're at the Hall of Fame and Mr. DeBarillo has a party. And a couple friends of mine were watching the boys. And I see one of them coming in the door and I go to my turn to my wife and go, oh, no, this is not good. This is not good.

You know what I'm talking about? Yes, yes, yes. So he comes over and he goes, we got a little problem. I go, what's that? Well, your son and Howie's son are both naked. They're seeing who can jump in the ice machine and stay in the ice machine in the longest. Yeah, that was us. That was us.

Yep. Oh, my God. So we get a little, we get a little Pro Bowl action back in the 80s. And then in 2000, that's Dad and you going in the same year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we had to make it interesting. and then I just found this out today, Joe.

That's first sack in the NFL was against you. He can sack me ever. Yeah, then he's lying. He's just like, I don't remember that. No, you know, it was so much fun playing against those guys. You know, they had a really good team. Yeah. You know, especially up front with your dad.

And then they had the knucklehead Matt Millen in the middle. And it was, it was, it was. it was tough playing against him, but you know what? And sometimes in the middle, Matt made me laugh so hard while I was saying that the last year. Yeah. But it was just, you look back on those times, man, there was nothing like it. I'm sure you do say, and you look, you look back and you go, but those, you just can't get,

you just don't have that, you know, you can't find that camaraderie, the, the, the, the battles that you do against each other, but the respect you have for all. And, you know, my wife and I, we laugh all the time because my wife finally said to me, why don't you like Phil Sims? I go, I don't know, because he's the enemy. And he's always like beating up on our defense. And she goes, well, have you ever spoken to him? I go, no. She goes, why don't you try? So one day, I just as I was with, we were doing something. And I said, so my wife said, I should talk to you. and we both start laughing, right? Like, we neither one can figure out why we didn't like each other.

And then as it moves on in life, right, he ends up helping coach the boys and throwing. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, it's great. And we've become great friends, and he just loves the boys and they love him. And Nikki makes fun of his hair all the time. Like, he makes fun of mine or lack of my hair. You've still got it going, though, man, of there. Well, no, it's, was it like that?

Was it like that, Joe, with guys? A lot of them that you played against for a decade. It's like a different time now. Like I was at the Super Bowl. It's like a week-long event. Everybody's party in. They're meeting up with guys from other teams, running into people, the age of social media,

the jersey trading. Like the 80s seemed a little bit more all business, you know, like far. I came to the guys across the sideline. Were there guys that you became tight with later? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, you look at,

So when Phil was throwing with the boys, he was working out in Jim Bird's facility. So in Jim and I, when he came to the 49ers, we just laughed about it. Like everybody said, well, it was such a, that was a terrible head. I go, it wasn't the hit, as my head hit the ground. You know what? Because like a dummy, we quarterbacks when we let a ball go, instead of like taking your eyes off it and protect yourself, we all want to try to watch where it goes. so you keep your head up.

Then the last thing that hits is your head on the turf. And that was it. Yeah. And we laugh all the time, but it's fun because when he worked out, Jim was always over in the facility. That Jim Berder owns, and it was fun. But, yeah, you got to know a lot of guys. And as the years went on, like Mel Blunt from the Steelers, that we got connected through cutting horses, which was crazy thing that we both used to do.

Yeah, there was a lot of guys that you met. It was a little bit different, though, obviously, when we had our two weeks and when you were going to another Super Bowl meeting other guys. It was friendly, but it just wasn't like it is today. And I think maybe social media has a lot to do with, you know, that connections and, you know, people staying in touch a little bit easier, you know, for a while. I think we're there when the first cell phone start coming out. Yeah. Yeah, I used to ask my dad. I asked my dad this actually recently, like during the playoffs,

how the hell did you all, like, get the scores from around the league? Or, you know, you go back in the locker and be like, who we play in next week. I'm sure that maybe they had it up on the jump onetron, but word traveled slower. Yeah, a lot slower, a lot slower. That's crazy. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to was about the Golden Auctions thing you got going on, which is really cool. Yeah.

We had Ken on the show. Guys, unbelievable. I mean, like, it's just so interesting to hear his story. story, how he started, the things that he sold, some of the stuff that he has in his possession. We got the link in the description of the pod to some of these awesome items that you're auctioning off. Some of them I saw are just incredible and still at this point, and there's a couple weeks left, priced affordably. I'm like, I could get Joe Montana's gold jacket. Yeah, I don't keep up with what I haven't been on the site, but it's been a long time and

And we've moved a couple times and we're trying to downsize and we're sitting here going, you know, what are we going to do with all this stuff? You've got to find storage for it. We ask the kids, take whatever you want. And luckily for me, I have four kids and I got four rings. So those were the biggest things. And it's time, you know, you go out to all these autograph signings, right? You see people buying all this stuff.

And we're like, well, die, if they're going to buy stuff, why shouldn't they buy something that that's real. It came from me when I played. My collections are the things that I've collected over time. And, you know, money's going to go portion of it to charity. The rest are going all with the kids. So it's not like I'm doing it for the money from me. I don't buy it. It's that I don't have any space anymore. Yeah, no, I hear you. I'm looking behind you. Yeah. I'm tired of looking at it.

And, you know, eventually after after a while, after a while, I love the game. I love watching it all the time. You just kind of move on with your life, you know, at some point. And I started a little seat stage venture fund that we've been investing now since 2015. Right now there's five partners and all early stage stuff and just having a blast. But I still can't wait for Monday or Sunday or Thursday. You know, I still like watching the games.

But I'm just not a big, huge part of it. of our life. Jennifer gets us, you know, if she decides, hey, you guys want to go somewhere and let's go for this hike or let's go to this place and where everybody's up, everybody's a doer in the family, you know, more than a watcher. And while I love watching the game, I'm not a very good spectator at all. I'm not sure how you feel after that. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. And I was going to ask you because like for me, just even doing this in the capacity that I do it, there's, it heightens the sense of I wish I was out there sometimes.

You know, like being so plugged into the game. And I think one of your, you've made some amazing plays and you've won some big games, but I think one of the most amazing things you've done is you've transitioned post football quietly. You know, like you, you don't hear a lot from you. And I know that you're not like terribly involved, as you just alluded to in the day-to-day football stuff. You still love the game.

But has that helped you kind of create a barrier? for yourself so you're not like, man, I'm still in it, and I'm feeling like I'm tempted or wishing that I was still playing. Yeah, I think the, I think the, um, the good thing about it is that Jennifer and I and all, actually all four of our kids live in the city here. And it's an hour away to the facility. If I think if I was, if the facility was here in the city and I was closer, you know, it might be a little bit different. You know, I might be around, try to be around more but I don't I miss a game I don't miss like hanging around and going every game and when you know people when you go to the game people just thought you can't watch the game yeah so

everybody said are you staying for the Super Bowl and go nope we're on a flight at 12 o'clock I'll be home and watch it at home and I watch it with some friends yesterday and it's so much more relaxing and you know the beer's still really cold by the time you get to drink it There's a bathroom right there. Yeah, right there. There's no line. Yeah, no, I got out of there Saturday, and I'm the same way as you. You know, I like to watch it home.

And, you know, I do miss the game, especially when it's a big one like yesterday, because it's like, you know, you got to go four times. You got you won four times. You got, you know, you've done everything, man. It's just like, but you still, you're like, damn, that went by in a heartbeat. the two times I went to the Super Bowl it's just such a flash you know and it's hard to soak it in

you'll never I don't care if you were there seven nine ten times when you move on you still watch the game and you're like man it just took so much work to get there but it goes by so fast

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to create your own cash tag. That would have been a good game to play a couple nights ago. The quarterbacks weren't getting hit. The protection was great. What did you think about that game watching it? I thought it was pretty typical in the beginning. You know, they just, Philly just came out and pounded the ball. But it didn't seem like, I don't know,

I think Kansas City's adjustments must have done something different. because they really shut that down. I mean, they didn't completely shut it down, but they slowed them down enough to where, you know, Kansas City started scoring more points, and they were carrying the ball, and they were starting to do the things. You know, I think they tried to take Kelsey away early,

and then Juju took over for a little bit, and then you've got to start trying to cover him, and things go back to Kelsey again. And Mahomes is just, you know, both those quarterbacks played really well. Yeah, he did. Yeah, and, you know, You know, and, you know, halfway through, at halftime,

I just pointed to one of our friends ago, when they showed Jayla and I go, that's going to be your MVP if they win. Right. Because he was off to a crazy start in first half, and then they just slowed him down. But it was fun. You know, obviously me in Kansas City

playing there, it's great to see the Chiefs win, but Patrick was just a freak. Yeah. You know, he's just a different person and just a different quarterback where, you know, he's not a runner, but he's a mobility guy. You know, he wants to get out there and you make, you know, extend to play and make things happen that way. And the nice thing is that you got guys who understand that, right?

And when he starts moving, they're moving. Like, there's nothing worse as a quarterback when you start moving. And you're going, okay, why are you still going that way when I'm going now? You're supposed to be coming helping. But, yeah, I think everybody understands that. but I still in the end I thought it was a great game to watch it's fun question it was a lot of fun even as an Eagles fan who wanted to see fairly happy we got one of the best Super Bowls of all the time when you look at it of course it's decided on a call that probably doesn't get called most of the time

but also definitely not in your era no not at all um uh you know what the sad part is is um If you're going to use instant replay, just my feeling is to make decisions on everything. Don't pick what you're going to make a decision on because you can go on down that line and you can watch guys where somebody's grabbing somebody almost every time. Yeah. Right. And it's almost, I guess, it's impossible to try to do that. Yeah.

But, you know, when you make calls that make a difference, it's hard. because they see what they see and then at least in that time of the game, aren't they supposed to review it upstairs? Yeah, yeah. Don't all those things get reviewed. So obviously somebody saw the same thing, but hey, there's bad calls. I can go back through our Washington game against the Redskins and the championship game. I'll show you a couple of bad calls.

Yeah, I bet. And there was no justice. No, we had two phantom calls in the last play on holding on, on Ronnie and one on Eric Wright, that you're going, are you kidding me? Yeah. And that ends up letting him win the game. And so it happens to everybody.

So it's not like it that's just there or, but it's hard in the Super Bowl and because it's there's so much more on the line than a regular game or like our game to get us into the Super Bowl. So, yeah, I'm the same. I'm not a, official's got it tough though. They do. You know what I think we should pay them more? also.

Well, no, you know what, I think it's, I think what people get, sort of like what I say about people, understanding why guys want to play so long. Yeah. Is go play on a Sunday afternoon. Yeah. And you, one game, I don't can win or lose, and you'll feel the adrenaline,

the ups, the downs, the camaraderie with all your, all your teammates, there's nothing like it. Yeah. And so, and you can't find anything that gives you that feeling after you leave. Yeah. And so I guess maybe this is,

think we could say the same thing about a referee. Maybe we should go try and referee one game. And see how many mistakes we make. Because they're making it like that, you know, and it's hard. So I don't know. It's sad to see, you know, one thing make a difference in the game. But I can't remember the down and distance and what it was if it really would have. Third and nine, you know, Philly would have had a minute 20.

and no timeouts, you know, and probably 40 yards to get into Jake's range. And I think it would have been a nice, nice finish to a great game. Might have seen overtime, but there's nothing you can take away from Kansas City. I mean, they came out in the second half and won that game. So you're talking about not being able to replace that thing on Sunday. I had somebody really smart tell me that. He's like, don't go looking. It was one of my coaches.

Al Groh. He coached being college. And then, so he was like, listen, man, don't waste time trying to find something to replace football because there's no replacing it. You know to find something else that you mimic the work ethic and the commitment and if you're lucky, the camaraderie, but there's no replacing it. And I think about that with regards to what we just heard a couple weeks ago, which is Tom Brady's retired. And he's the only guy that really I can compare to you with the resume at all. He's done so much. He was still playing at a pretty high level,

although I did turn to my buddies in here in the studio at the end of this past year, and I said, this is the first time I've seen Tom Brady look like this, where I'm like, I just don't know if it's a sure thing that we're going to get the Brady you're used to seeing next year if he comes back.

What did you make of the retirement, the timing, and everything he has to weigh, and how hard is it going to be for him to move past it? Well, he's got like $300-something million. reasons to go past it than me. So, but I kind of felt a little bit like you, you know, it's hard. It's really hard because if you, if I criticize him, everybody's like, well, you just don't like

because he's better, you know, this and that of you. And it's not, but I saw the same thing you did coming down the end of the year. You know, he just wasn't the same player that you saw. Right. Even last year or even the very beginning of this year. And things just started to kind of come apart. and well you know what hell he's played so dang long you should buy hats off to him it's not like i'm making you know him look bad or whatever trying to it's just that i i you know he was they were

said people were saying well you know he wants to go to a team that wins i go well okay well just go back and turn the video on and watch because you know some of that was you know good portion might have been his fault too yeah and i don't think everybody no one wants to blame it on him and But I'm just saying that the same thing you felt, when you look at it from your perspective, my perspective, and other non-Tampa Bay Tom Brady fans out there, there's a difference that we saw as a king down to the end of the season. And I'm happy for Tom. What the heck?

He's had a tremendous career. So I can't blame him for retiring. And everybody said, well, let's talk about his retirement. I go, I did that once already. I want to wait and make sure. Yeah, we got to make sure because when he came out and he was like, I still love football and this, that and the third. And I feel like now it's a back in your day,

it was like when guys were done, they were done. Now there's more of the gamesmanship of, okay, I can retire now. I'll unretire after camp. You know, that's the move or late in the summer. I'll hand pick my team. It has become kind of a thing with that. Yeah.

So Brady, I mean, great run. You two, two of the best ever. and it's fun to just, it's fun to watch Mahomes now with something to chase, whether it's you or it's Brady. It's just like, okay, now I feel like the torch has been passed. And he's the face of the league. And, you know, he's got a long way to go to catch you all. But with Andy and him, you just never know.

I mean, from a Super Bowl standpoint, that sort of thing. It's nice to see, though, the transition that they were able to, or how they were able to keep the success. and when they got rid of a bunch of players. Yes, yes. I mean, they lost some pretty good players that they traded. Yeah. But yet they still kept things going, and he kept moving things.

And well, in their defense, geez, defense played pretty well too throughout the season. And that's what, you know, we all know that they always say defense wins championships. And those were two pretty good defenses in there. And when we won our Super Bowls, I'm not sure, but at least two of those four, years. I think our defense was rated number one. Yeah. And maybe the other year number two. So there was one year that we kind of got in there. We didn't have a tremendous win-loss record, but we squeaked in and ended up winning the Super Bowl. But you can't, you can't win without those guys. If you can't stop them, you know, I mean, at first they just couldn't stop Philly.

And all of a sudden, they came out and start getting some stops and then they start scoring. It'll be fun to watch them. It'll be fun to watch where they go from here. Yeah, a pretty adaptable group. They've changed their whole line. They changed a bunch of targets outside, and they still rolled offensively, which is a testament to Andy NPA.

I think that's the teamwork. You know, everybody's like, is it Brady or Belichick? You know, the whole thing. I'm sure you had interesting working relationships with coaches, and we'll get into that. But like, it's all about the relationship between those two guys. mastered that thing.

So, you know, a Trent Dilfer said something recently about it's hard to compare eras. He said it, I wouldn't say it like this, but he's not impressed with today's quarterbacks, and he included Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers, in a sense that y'all had to deal with so much more. And I alluded to that when we were talking about the holding penalty or the non-holding penalty in the Super Bowl.

Do you watch the game now and, you know, like how different would it have? been and how different was it? You know, the guys are unimpeded now. You can't touch them. The game was more physical. You played through more injuries. Just do you watch the game today and say,

what if I played today? Oh, I would have loved to. I mean, played with Jerry Rice and John Taylor and Brent Jones and Roger and those guys today in our defense. But the biggest difference, though, and it's my, it's minute to a lot of people, but it's big to a quarterback.

If I know that guy can't hit me, it's easier for me to stand in there and throw a ball accurately. But when you know that there's a guy he's coming straight on, you get ready to throw, and as soon as you let that ball go, he outweighs you by 125, 150 pounds,

and he is going to plant you in your house. He's going to drive you one step. step or two, get you off balance, and then he's going to compress you on the ground. And that was the big difference maker back then. So today, if you have not played the game at that position or been involved in the game, that doesn't sound like a big difference. You can't hit him because they hit him and knock him down, but it's not the same. At that level of the game, it's a little bit more of a different.

than people imagine. Yeah, you're still getting pressure. You're still having to move around things, but they took away a lot of those hits that really were the most dangerous, too, for the quarterback on top of it. Because typically we're the only guy usually getting hit, stand and steel by people

how about weigh you by that many pounds, right? Exactly. And I always usually think of us as the tough guys because we hit y'all. But the more I watch football as a man sitting on the couch, I'm like, y'all are some of the toughest guys on the field, especially in the 80s. And, you know, I heard you talking about, we just mentioned it, Leonard Marshall was the guy's name.

Where you're rolling out to your right and you dodge LT in the NFC championship game. And in your mind, you know this guy is coming from behind you. And in today's game, you trust the rules and the enforcement rules and the repetition of that. and you just can't trust it and that hit results in what was it sternum a concoal yeah he's yeah separate him some cartilage in my sternum

and knocked the wind out of me when you know when you get the wind knocked out of you normally you can breathe out a little bit I couldn't breathe I honestly am thinking I might die right here because I cannot breathe at all but my chest hurt so bad that I had no idea my hand was even broken

until they sat me up up and finally I said, Doc, you got to check my finger. I think it's broken. So he looked at my finger and he said, no, everything's good. Well, and I said, Doc, I'm not sure, but I don't think it belongs under there like that. And he spiral fractured when he had me in the air. Yeah. He had his hand on my hand. And when we hit the ground, as he tried to compress you just naturally, he like kind of ripped back on my hand and spiral fractured it. And I don't, and that's why I say, like I would have survive the hit, right? Hit me as hard as you want. It's that compression that got, did everything. So, like I would like to say, go ahead and hit the quarterbacks. Let that be, let them hit the

quarterback. Just don't, don't compress on top of them because there's no chance for us to protect ourselves if you want to try to do your job. And that part of it, I could have, yeah, I would have gone out for a player two maybe, you know, because he knocked the crap out of me. I won't lie. Because I backed half backed into that, but the problem was I saw Jerry Rice down the field, and he was open. And so, and after I dodged LT in my mind, I'm going, oh, yeah, I just got it rid of LT. Because that's not easy. Yeah, no, I was going to say, that's probably the lead of the whole conversation.

You JLT. Oh, man. But, you know, the AstroTurf has a lot to do with what you're talking about. I don't know if it was AstroTurf that game, but, you know, the field surface was dangerous. You know, there was also you guys, and this is one that I had to adjust to as a rusher late in my career, was like,

we couldn't hit you all below the waist anymore the same way. And in some situations, you know, we're not even coming in there on purpose like that, but you're diving, you're scratching your claw and you might be pushed into, you might be getting held the whole thing. And that's another thing that I think is pretty major.

These quarterbacks don't have to contend with is they can set their feet. They know that chances are nobody's going to fall under the legs. Well, I think what happened there, and I don't know, not sure if you've even privy to this or if you watched any film in this guy, there was a defensive back for the Eagles that used to blitz,

and he would not even try to take you up high. He would dive at the quarterback's plant lane. You can look it up. It'll be easy to find out. Okay, good. But I think that was part of it, you know, and the other, that, the rule that came along after that was looked at

to start, you know, back then, because as you know, there's enough injuries in this game. You don't need to try to hurt somebody. Yeah, no. It's actually hard. Yeah. And for you guys, when you're mixed in with the other big guys, and yeah, you're falling down,

that's typically an accident or that's what you can grab. But this guy was coming in, you know, untouched, and then don't even try to hit him. They just, like, go straight for the planet. And it was the Wild West, like, as far as, Just the whole, you went out with a concussion in the 80s. I know we're well past this, but like, what was the protocol? There was no protocol.

Was there? Was it just, hey, let's, are you awake? Yeah, what kind of car do you drive? Yeah, okay, you're good. Oh, my God. I remember that I was having a great game, actually, at Candlestick, and they got me on a silent and got dinged, and they're asking me, they're reading me the riot act,

and I'm telling them exactly what fucking day it is. I'm telling them what time it is. I'm telling, they asked me where I go. I'm in, I remember it was like Santa Clara or whatever the municipality I was in. I didn't say San Francisco. I want to get back on that field, but you all didn't have to jump through those hooves. No, uh-uh. No, it wasn't that, you know, when you were clear, when you felt like you were clear and ready to go,

they gave you a couple little things. They checked your eyes and gave you the nod. Here you go. That's wild. That's wild. And my dad used to talk about just things that are foreign, me like guys smoking heaters in the locker room. Did you guys have guys ripping darts in the locker room?

What's the last year that you saw somebody smoking a, you know, a heater in the locker room? It was in the 80. Yeah, that was late 80s too. It was one of the wide receiver and one was the defensive end. I bet it was Charles Haley. No, it wasn't Charles Haley. Okay. That dude was crazy, right?

Charles Haley was. Yeah, Fred Dean. You remember Fred Dean? Dean, okay, yeah. Yeah, he and Freddie Solomon. He used to do it all the time. That is so, it's amazing to me with the nutrition today and everything. You know, you just go back into late 80s and guys are smoking in the locker.

It was crazy. I know. How about Charles Haley since we're here? Everybody's got a Charles Haley story that I've talked to that they play with. Just the antics in the, you know, the locker room? Charles was crazy in a lot of ways. and, you know, he was just, but I'm going to tell you a story on the other side of it, right? As crazy as he was, and I mean, he had Jerry Rice chasing him around one time with a fire extinguisher trying to kill him.

So, I mean, he's, because he picked on everybody. It didn't matter who you were. Hey, when you got on the same bus that he did when you landed in another city, he sat there and he just picked on everybody until he could get somebody to pick with him, right? battle, but the man has a heart of gold. Yeah. So one day, you know, the offensive alignment and defensive alignment don't always hang out, right? So one of the offensive linemen was doing something, building, putting on a new porch or doing something with a new porch or something, and he was asking some of the other guy,

offensive linemen, to see if they could come over and help him. And I don't know if anyone ever did, but what he told me was what he got up to next morning, there was a knock on the door and he walked out and he said, Charles, what are you doing here? I heard you needed some help with your porch. I was going to I came about to help you.

And so it's like he didn't even never ask Charles, but Charles overheard him but he's like that. But he's also like when you see him, I just can't stop laughing just looking at him because I know he's going to say something funny about somebody. He doesn't care.

Yeah. The stories I've heard, he just seemed like a all-time classic. I guess it could go either way, but he seemed like a classic. Another defensive player, I believe Ronnie's a godson or godfather of one of your kids. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, who I got to know a lot with my dad on NFL Fox Sunday and obviously through meeting him through football. But what a man. And just like, you know, the lore around him, the number one thing everybody thinks about. about is the pinky, right? Yeah. What, what, how did that whole thing go down? Is it how I heard it or? Yeah, he just got, you know, I guess he got in there and got stuck, his finger got stuck in the, somebody's helmet and it just got pretty much torn off. Yeah.

And so they gave him the, we can sew it back on and it'll take, you know, three, four weeks to get, or we can just take it off and you can play next week. He said, take it off. That's so crazy. Yeah. And by the way, Ronnie was in charge of Charles. Yeah, he was Charles' chaperone. Yeah.

That's good. It sounds like y'all's reputation wasn't a motley crew, but there's some personalities on that team. Oh, my God. Yeah. There was some fun, fun. You know how to locker room is. It's crazy. And Charles was the big part of the craziness when he was in there because he was always stirring it up.

How did you make determinations, you know, like back to? to the health thing like, I know you had a lot of elbow issues. I've heard you talk about, you know, having to shoot it up. And I know from having injuries, when you're shooting cortisone into a spot, it's going to eat at the ligaments and that sort of thing eventually. It's going to be good in the short run. Do you think that, like, slowly kind of affected your, your capabilities late in your career?

And how did you make those determinations? Like, is it worth it? Well, it did eventually. but while I was getting shot, it was helping. So it didn't hurt. And I mean, literally, I'd get shot up on the way to, either on the airplane or, you know, after we landed, depending on how far we were going. And it was like 12 or 13 weeks in a row.

And eventually, like you said, it just ate through the tendon. And it literally was, the hard part was I'd just come back from the broken hand. So I hadn't really done any work on my arm or throwing or anything. So I was just out playing catch with a guy playing with the Notre Dame, Dave Weamer, who was on the 49ers at the time. And I just felt it go. I felt, I felt, I felt a go. And I didn't know how well, that felt weird. And then I tried to throw, I threw again.

I just, I tore that pronator off. Yes. And so they just, they sewed it up, drilled some holes, put some staples in it. And it was fine, except for one of the staples every time I threw would hit my owner nerve. And so it would like zing me. So they went in to take that out and they ended up dingin that nerve. And my lost grip strength in these two fingers in half of this one. So that's what took me the longest to come back from the injury.

But even then, after that, I had great therapy. And I was ready to play long before I got on the field. Yeah, I was at least halfway through the season. I could have gone out there. And I've heard. now like the main thing you deal with is back pain right well i've done a lot of work on my back unfortunately for me chris i i got a new knee i got a new shoulder that actually got infected and so you know they had they had to take it out three or four surgeries later they put it back in

and i i would say that in my neck i got a five level neck fusion of my back i honestly i totally forget about my back most of the time now i just do something so much core word that I forget about that part of it and those are the things like my neck I'm kind of limited if I look like I'm forward I got I think you fuse me a hair forward yes and my wife's been trying to get me to straighten up but it's really hard yeah and it's you know I'm limited more turning to the right than to the left and I threw a football for the first time on championship weekend so I don't feel okay better than I thought yeah yeah yeah It's amazing what they do.

I mean, you know, my dad got his neck fuse too. He had his shoulder. And if you see him on Fox Sunday and he looks like somebody has a good point and he's trying to work with his big ass head. Around to address the other guy that said it's because he got the same thing you did. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Like even though sometimes I can move my neck, I could move it further left, I still want to go like this.

Yeah, you turn your whole shoulders. For some reason, instead of just turning my head. Yeah. But, yeah, you know, hey, the game was, to me, was it worth it? Yeah, it was too much fun, you know. Yeah, but I mean, I'm just, you just have such a, like, you know, for all the things you're known for and all your excellence, sounds like toughness was right up there. And, like, I heard a story this morning that I'd never heard before. And I don't know if it's true, but you play with hypothermia in college?

Yeah, I got sick in my senior year, we played in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas. We played Houston. And, you know, man, I never, we played in some cold games before, and I never go to the heater. I just don't, it just, I get colder when I come back off of it. Man, in this game, fourth down, sprinted into the heater. And by half time, I was shaking so bad I couldn't come out after half time. So they gave me some.

They tried to heat my core to get my temperature back up. And late sometime in the third quarter, I got to come back out of the locker room. They finally gave me some chicken bullion and kind of heated me up. And then I went back out. We came back to win. I was an ugly game. I might have had 18 turnovers. but I do a touchdown pass to win.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I have the same feeling on that. But I think, you know, the Tommy John thing, you know, the medical world has gotten so much better. Yeah. From my understanding that surgery's gotten on somewhat, it's never easy, but it's gotten a little bit easier to rehab and, you know, that part of it's gotten better. But for me, you have a Super Bowl team.

Yeah. Right. I think the job is Purdy is to lose if he's healthy. Yeah. Or when he's healthy. But that's my question. What if it's not six months? What if it's seven months?

But if it's eight months, you need somebody who's won games for you. Because that team is too good not to have someone who knows. And do you turn it over to Trey, who's still somewhat unproven? Or you got Jimmy sitting there. But I, I don't know. There must be some riff down there.

I don't, like I said, I don't go down there, so I don't know. I talk this just off the top of my head and looking and watching the things that Purdy was able to do. Well, the hardest part I think they have is what Jimmy is he just, you can't keep him on the field. What is this? Is this second, third injury thing? And while he's healthy, he plays pretty well. Yeah. But you got to.

And for me, it would be a safety. net if you had someone that could play like that or is there anyone out there that's run that offense before that can step right in? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they know something more. I don't stay that close to the game. Yeah.

But, you know, if I'm if I, if it's me, I try to find a way to hang on to him until I can figure out what the purview would make it back. And that might cost you because he's, you know, he's a free agent. and maybe he doesn't feel too good about the way that he's perceived to have been treated. I mean, like, I could see it from his angle. Like, it feels like he's the guy that for whatever reason they just don't want to make their mind up on sticking with him and injuries are part of it.

But, you know, ironically, you know, if they're passing them up for somebody, they've done it for a rookie and a rookie. And it's just the window is wide open and they haven't been able to capitalize. So I feel bad for that team. And I feel for Jimmy, too. I know you like as I learned more about your career it was funny because to me I was a little kid like and as I got older I learned about the fact that not only you know the C-Furt era was weird for you but like you and Bill probably butted heads a lot like I didn't know he had designated starts for Steve Young in the late 80s like you're the best in the game and you've got this young

kid that they're trying to appease and see what he's got and they're inserting him into the season and you guys are contenders like how weird was that and did and did you and bill like but heads about that like when you won the super bowl was part of you like yeah i'm showing you too yeah i mean it was a little bit different it's kind of people laugh because oh you're just getting it back because when steve the bird was here he did that to me with Steve. Yeah. But the difference was we were two and 14 and six and ten.

And so I was getting playing time, he was teaching me the game. Yeah. Right. In the easiest spots he could put me into. And, yeah, I mean, Steve and I are good friends, are still good friends. And, you know, every time I'd go in and just, I'd cringed as I was passing him on the way to the huddle. And it's like, geez, sorry, man. But, and then everybody said, well, you're just getting it back from what happened on there.

But the difference was, we were, we had a good team. Yes. You know, he wasn't getting stuck in the games where, you know, we had to battle for. He was going to get the teams that weren't playing well at that time. And that's the part I didn't, I didn't appreciate. That is, as after Bill left with George and when I was healthy and not even being, I mean, we just should have gone to three Super Bowls in a row and not even be able to compete for my job

was just that part I didn't think was fair after they stuck him up my butt for six or seven years. Yeah, and then and then you get in the game like late in one of those years. I think it was like the last game of the season. And there's basically a fucking curtain call for you because you go out there and you look like you, you're tossing touchdowns, and then you got to go back to the sideline. And it had to be surreal and frustrating.

I know you and Steve are cool now, but it's never easy. No. No, it wasn't easy. And, you know, everybody used to say, well, how, you know, how did, how did you help Steve Longhill, not my job? Yeah. Which is my job is over well now, which is crazy. People got mad at Ryan Tanahill. I know.

My job was to make sure he stayed behind me. And if I'm, if he's staying behind me, then I'm doing my job. playing well. And that's how I approached it. I approached it, but I did that with everybody. I mean, get to Kansas City, Dave Craig was there. Yeah. Right?

And as much as I love Dave, I'm not going to let him play. You know, I don't know. Hey, I've worked too hard to get where I am and I want to play, period. And, you know, people will say, well, that's ridiculous. You should be. You're not a team player. No, I'm a team player. But I believe I can help the team more than any.

either one of those. That's my contribution that I'm helping the team by making myself better. But, you know, you just, it happens to everybody eventually. Yeah. You just move on. And, you know, part of it's kind of what sours you at the end and makes you go, yeah, I don't need to go down there. Right, exactly.

Well, yeah, it's associated with some of the political BS, you know, like whether it's late in your career, like for me, lamenting the fact that they want young guys in the building. Yeah, exactly. The best guy might not always play and that's what you know, like it's that stuff that messes up football, at least in my head. And, you know, I can only imagine that would be such a shit show if that happened now.

You know, you've got an MVP kind of quarterback and he's got to take a seat for a young quarterback and you're on a great team that's a contending team. It's wild. It's kind of unthinkable. I want to ask you about your Super Bowl teams, man. the Super Bowl 24 team, 55 to 10 over my producer here as a Broncos fan. He wasn't alive yet, so it didn't hurt so bad.

But 55, 10, you alluded to your defense, top three defense, you're 14 and 2, you lose two games by a combined five points. I kind of, we don't do this enough, but is that one of the best teams all the time? Was that the best team you were on? Yeah. Well, that series of guys between the 23, 24, and then the next year

where we had gone, should have gone back again. Yeah. Yeah, that was the best all-around talent on, although Ronnie Lott will, he'll battle with me about it. He thinks the 84 team was.

Okay. And the 84 team had a really good defense, but we just didn't have the weapons. We didn't have like Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones. We had good wide receivers and Roger Craig, obviously. But we just did.

didn't have the speed and the guys that could turn little things into big things. Sort of when you look at the 49ers right now with McAfrey and Debo and all that, you don't have to make plays. Those guys will make play. Just give them ball. That was the way it was with John Taylor and Jerry and Brand even. Hey, just do your job. Get them a ball and let them do their thing because that's what they do best.

And yeah, that's the one time that I was a little disappointed because you know how it is when you're ahead. You can't wait. Oh, that's nice to be taken out of the game. Yeah. Except when you're in the Super Bowl. You don't want to come out of it. The only game you don't want to come out of one, especially when you're, you know, having a pretty good offensive day. Well, we love staying in the game on defense because y'all were throwing the ball and everybody was in two-minute mode.

That's where we made our money. So we'd be fighting to stay on the field. So the Super Bowl. 16 run, your first one, obviously the catch is etched in stone as one of the greatest plays in playoff history. I think the throw was the lead, but I know you and Dwight were great friends.

I sure. You know, like, is there that's the catch, okay? Is there the other catch in your head? Like, and I don't mean that you were involved in. But when you look back at the history of the playoffs, is there a catch that you think deserves a lot of credit to be counted up there with that Dwight Clark reception

in the back of the end zone? I was just watching the Super Bowl with Eli. Yeah. And that catch was pretty crazy. There was some pretty crazy ones. Well, and I'm trying to remember who it was in Pittsburgh. The Pittsburgh had... Antonio Holmes. I just saw him. I just saw him Saturday.

And I said, man, that was the best Super Bowl catch of all time. In my opinion. Yeah, that was a great catch. Talk about your friendship with Dwight. And, you know, like, you guys remained close over the years and God rest of soul, passed away from ALS.

How hard was that and how important was it that you guys stayed close? Yeah, it was, you know, we came in together. He thought I was the kicker when he first saw him. He just didn't realize. He didn't realize I was the guy just beat him

when we went through Clemson. And so they, yeah, you know, that disease is just so tough to watch. And it happens fast. And, you know, hopefully they're finding ways to slow it down and help people who also suffer from it. But we had a lot of fun. We joked a lot. We were roommates for a while. And then got ended up getting married and then he got married.

you could kind of separate a little bit and then eventually you get, you know, something like this brings you back together again. Yeah. But I used to joke with them all the time and that, you know, dude, come on, seriously. It took you forever to get to the back in the end zone. Do what you're supposed to do.

And then I'm waiting. I got a six, eight guys standing in front of me with his hands over, up in the air. And I have to throw the ball finally. And I go, and then if you kind of do, what, you can throw your arms up, chick your legs. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I said, if you were a brother, man, that ball would hit you right here.

Yeah, he had to make it look all dramatic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We laugh all the time. We laughed all the time. That's, it was great. You guys. It's great because I don't know how many guys are close to where you are, but we got a lot of guys that still live in the stuff around the area like Jerry

and Billy Ring, Keena Turner. My prayers are out for Keenan today. He's having open art surgery. Oh, man. Yeah. Eric Wright. I mean, there's a bunch of guy, McIntyre. There's a bunch of guys, a bunch more, even that.

Than that, I just was talking on top of my head. And Charles shows up every now and then. Every now and again, to fix your porch. Yeah. So Jerry Rice, man, you know, he's been talked about it for decades. you know, would you describe him as a flashy player? I thought he was all kind of deep, you know? Yeah, he called himself flashed, but he wasn't flashy at all.

The only thing he was, he was flashy at is he had to have his uniform like perfect. He would change at halftime if it was dirty. No way. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. We laugh about it all the time. I just did a bunch of interviews with him over the weekend here. and we laugh all the time.

And he goes, yeah, you play like you look, he says. And he called himself Flash, but he just was, when we were a point when he first got to the league, and even the whole time that I remember being there, he never said a word. He and John Taylor, they were the hardest to get anything out of it. You go, Jerry, so you thought about a JT or you dumped the ball off and go, J.R. What did it look like, man? Did you have him? He goes, were you open?

He goes, yeah. And you turn on the film, there's like three guys on. But neither one of them spoke much at all. Really? Yeah, it was, yeah, it was hard. Once we got to the sideline, you could get a little bit of feedback. But other than that, you know, they were quiet. You know, there wasn't a lot of that happening on a building.

A lot of that happened. So that surprises me about Jerry, you know, because the times I've been around him, he's real, he's real charismatic. Dancing with the stars. changed his whole personality. Did it really? Yeah. Once he got back from there, and Eric, Eric Wright, he said, dude, what the hell happened to you after dancing with stuff?

That's so good shit. I cannot believe that. Did I hear this right? John Taylor had a car dealership he worked at in the off season? Like guys had other jobs in the off season? Yeah, he used to drive a truck. Drive a truck? Yeah, he used to drive a truck across country,

back to the Philly area, right? where he grew up, and he would just pick up a load and go. And they'd pick up another load and come back. Yeah, he was crazy. That's just, it's unthinkable now, right? The college kids are making that kind of, you know, like the college kids in their NIO money, they don't have drive trucks. It's just crazy.

Yeah, a trucking company and still drives a truck, according to Wikipedia. So, John Taylor, he's a man of many talents. I want to finish with the Kansas City chapter because it's really cool that you seem like you embrace that whole chapter and you guys were good. You guys were really good better than people remember. And, you know, what's it like watching them? We talked about the Super Bowl earlier.

How much bandwidth do you have to root for two teams? Yeah. No, I still cool for both of them. Kansas City was honestly, I didn't want to leave San Francisco, So I wasn't going to sit behind somebody I thought I was better than. And I wanted to play. I didn't want to finish my career on the bench. And so when we started looking around, you know, Arizona made me a crazy offer.

Like four times, like double what I was going to get making Kansas City. And my agent and my wife agreed with him, said, you're, you won't make it through the season. They don't have an offensive line. And they went through four quarterbacks that season. and, man, you look, you got a great organization. You had a really good team, especially defensively. Wow, we had really good team defensively. And offensively, you know, then we added Marcus to come on.

And, you know, we had fast up speed on the outside, which, man, that was boys, you outrun my arm so quickly. Right, you're like, I wish I had him in 1982. Yeah. I'm like, I get back, I hit that fifth step. that bow had to come out fast because, but y'all, we had, we had, we lost the game like three games from the end, and what made us go to Buffalo. And instead, we lost home field position. And at home that day, it was 50 degrees in sunshine. And that's not what it was in Buffalo.

Yeah. So, yeah, it was about minus nine, wind chill, light drizzle. It was, it was crazy. I couldn't throw the ball 15 yards. It was bad. That home field is so important. And this is from my producer. He wants to know, are you okay with Joe Cool being passed on to Joe Burrow? Every time you hear somebody called Joe Burrow, Joe Cool, do your ears perk up? No, I'm done bother me. Don't bother you? Yeah, no, not at all.

You like him? You like him, Joe? Yeah. Yeah. You see, you know, if it wasn't for a push in the back, they might have been. in there. I know. I know. You know, that does. I mean, good for the chiefs, bad for him. Yeah, no question. Okay, we wanted to clear that up because we're going to then continue to call him Joe Cool. We got the permission. Yeah. And we're both now with Guinness. So. Yes. I know. I like the commercials. I like, what the hell was that guy's problem? Talk, calling you old man and say,

I hate that guy in that commercial. Me too. Yeah. Joe Montana, really appreciate the time, man. It's great to see you again. Be sure to check out all the cool stuff on the Golden Auction site. I mean, there are some amazing stuff on here. And like I said, it's been a pleasure.

And you're always so cool to me as a kid. It's really nice to come with a Bob, man. Yeah, I know. I appreciate it. I'll tell Nicholas, talk to you. Yeah, tell them stay on the ice machines. Your ice made. Tell them stay on the ice machines, okay?

I'll do it, man. Great talk to you to tell everybody on such love, man. I will, Joe. It's good to see you, man. All right. Take it easy. You too.