Green Light with Chris Long - Jordan Davis! Steve Belichick! Greek Mythology & Playing Tom Brady. NBA Finals, Code Breaks & River Rafting.

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

(2:31) - Two Phones, Ballers Appearances, Ice Cream Deliveries and Layup Line. (21:18) - NFL Retirees, MLB Jinxes, NBA Finals Game 2 Reaction and Over Hyped Athletic Moments. (52:09) - Jordan Davis on Being Drafted to the Philadelphia Eagles, Favorite Cheesesteaks, Prepping for the NFL and Greek Mythology. (1:06:53) - River Trips and Code Breaks.  (1:36:29) - Steve Belichick on Lacrosse, New England Patriots, Coaching, Takeaways from Seahawks, Falcons and Rams Super Bowl Wins, Favorite Patriots with Personalities and Game Planning and Working With Tom Brady. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tennessee, y'all, 2. 1-800-9-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Cowboy. Quite a show for you today, but boy, is it a good one. Steve Belichick of the New England Patriots. Jordan Davis of the Philadelphia Eagles. First, Chris is going to give a update on a life hack.

Him and eight are going to talk about their ballers appearances, the Charlottesville ice cream scene, give a hat tip to some NFL retirees, talk jinxing the LA Angels, and talk about game two from the NBA Finals. And then Jordan Davis joins us. talk about being drafted by the Eagles and his love of Greek mythology. Chris and Nate then talked code breaks and river trips. And to end it, we've got a great conversation with Steve Belichick. He talks all things New England, his favorite patriot personalities, getting his starting

coaching, game planning for Tom Brady, and memories from each of his Super Bowls. So y'all enjoy this one, because it's a good one. Dr. Fax, nice to meet you. My name is Chris Long. Nice to meet you. Yeah, I'm a totally new guy now. So I just want to reintroduce myself. I'm not a phone guy.

You know, people are going to be asking me for my number. I'm going to say I'm not really a phone guy, but honestly, I'm not. I just wanted to start the podcast off this way. And I know I'm not one of these life advice kind of like pseudoscience podcast. I preface anything I say on here like this with like I don't actually know what the hell I'm talking about. But I'm trying some shit. I feel like I'm growing here, Nate. You guys have all noticed.

I'm way too accessible. I have way too many text messages. I have way too many irons in the fire. I know some people are rolling their eyes like it can't be that hard. I'm pretty fucking busy, man. I got a lot going on. I'm juggling a lot. And I feel like the more access people have to me,

the less I get done for the people that are trying to access me, the tasks that I need to get done throughout the day. If I'm trying to be the jack of all trades, I'm the master of none. So the phone just had been too much lately. And I'm going to be honest with it, but I've been going through a little bit of shit. I've been up and down. And, you know, the way I am, the more this brain becomes like scrambled eggs because of a

smartphone, the worst it is for my mental health. And I was just like, one day I go, you know what? I've got this bat phone that I bought two years ago that I was, I was flirting with the possibility of being a two phone guy for this very reason to have like a family phone. Basically, I had this fantasy of a flip phone with a big screen. you know like little house on the prairie compared to my iPhone right now which has a thousand contacts 10,000 pictures 76 apps it's making fucking noises all the time it's like another child you should get a your bad phone should be a flip phone well it essentially is a flip phone but

i still want to be able to know how to get places and play my spotify and shit no that's part of the that should be part of i designed this experiment dude no offense and like you live your life the way you want to live it uh but This is like, this phone's like a little cabin in the woods. And the other phone's like, you ever watch hoarders? Yeah. That's how I feel when I have that phone. I feel like the big lady on hoarders that's got, you know,

stuffed animals piled to the ceiling, there's raccoon shit in the living room. And like, that's how I feel with my real iPhone. So getting this little red phone here that has 14 contacts on it, it's got some of the people that I deal with, the most regularly friends that sort of thing read matt you're going to get that number soon uh in case of emergency uh this has been therapeutic man i made the switch two days ago i just put that you know my main phone has become my side phone one of those things okay my main phone is now in the in the drawer

and i'm calling it my work phone and i think anybody at home who's too busy i mean there's things you have to do in life right there's responsibilities you have but i think you should also limit accessibility when when possible i think i think a big part of being a human being is setting boundaries i think kevin gate has a song about this about setting boundaries no about two phones oh yeah but it's a totally different deal he has two phones kevin gates is i don't know why he's got i got two phones yeah but but kevin gates has probably got a different phone for another reason i don't want to assume but for me it's literally yeah try to explain to your wife like hey i'm just busting out this new phone because I'm overwhelmed.

You know what I mean? Like my wife knows me. She's fine. And she knows how frustrated I get. Like I damn near throw tantrums in the house because I'm like, the phone won't stop ringing. Like y'all are here and you'll hear that. I feel like when Reed hears the vibration on my phone, he ducks. Because I'm going to like throw something.

I'll get calls and cuss the person out for calling me. Like people that I really like. So I'm just over being, you know, I haven't set enough boundaries. And I think people like at home, like if you can set boundaries, And part of that is, like, I've taken half measures and been like, I'm going to stop being on Twitter. Well, that's all well and good. But what about the 26 text messages? And what about, like, the constant scrolling?

And what about, like, the, you know, like, I'm just going to get on Zillow to look at, like, houses in fucking in Aspen. Who cares? I don't even like Aspen that much. You know, it's like, it's just dumb to pour that much of your life from that phone. So the side phone has been an awesome deal. I was doing a lot of reading on like these dopamine detoxes because people that smoke every day, let me break the code for a second here. Speaking of that, we'll be talking about code breakers later in the pod.

So don't find me for this guys. But people that smoke every day, your dopamine receptors can be affected by that. So like I started dabbling with taking a day off, which was crazy at first. But then you feel real clear headed. And then you get addicted to wanting to put the artificial dopamine culprone. corporates down. And one of the biggest ones, maybe more dangerous than marijuana, which I don't think is that dangerous, is the smartphone that you have in your hand. And so it really started with, I want to smoke a little less. And then it turned into this thing where I was like, man, I'm just going to get another phone. And I feel literally like I'm meditating all day. I feel like this is what life is supposed to be like carrying around this little phone with one app and in 14 contacts. Like I really wanted to get a flip phone. I own one. I failed at it. This is my version of a flip phone. So I am not a phone guy. I think if you're at home and you're feeling like your phone's too much, just go get a little red phone like I have. You're not a phone

guy. You're also not an email guy. Fuck no. I've never been an email guy. But I kind of get what people were talking about when people are always complaining about emails and I'm like, how hard can it be, dude? Just ignore the email. But I'm the same way because, and this comes from a place of being a good guy and wanting to do things for people. I go about email. Yeah, your email has 72,976. You have 72,000. A lot of that spam, Nate. Yeah, but it just, it starts with that attitude you just say, like, why don't you just ignore it? I have 276 text messages. And the problem is, I want to answer everybody. And you guys know this. I say yes to everything. I'm a big yes guy, right?

But yes can wait, right? So like setting that boundary and saying like, hey, you're just not going to get a text message back until I take this phone out of the drawer at 8 p.m. And anybody who actually needs access to me, has access to me. Everybody else can wait, and that's life, because I have to wait for shit. Why didn't everybody else have to wait for shit? And the problem is, if you're a really good person, you want to say yes to everything,

you do those people that you're trying to say yes to a disservice by paying a little attention to a thousand texts instead of, hey, sitting down, let me catch up on what I missed on this phone that's been in the drawer all day. So, guys, just an announcement to make, I'm now superhuman. Like literally my brain's working differently.

You should try it. I know I've teased this before and then I've gone back on it. I said, I'm getting off Twitter, all this shit. I'll never be a main phone guy again. Only side phone. The rest of my life. Guys, today, we got a lot going on. We got a lot going on.

We got two great guests. We got Jordan Davis. Huge doorway-sized rookie for the Philadelphia Eagles. Nicest kid in the world, dude. He is awesome. And thank God. You ever, like, see somebody and you're like, thank God that person's.

kind. For sure. A lot of people. Like, bro, thank God that is a good kid. Exactly. You could just, you could feel his presence on Zoom. And we had him last week. He was awesome. We held the interview for now, so Eagles fans are

going to love that. We'll have him up first. And then we'll have Steve Belichick. So, you know, I believe, you know, whether you knew he was Bill's son, Steve, or not, I believe he's a really good football coach. And I think he's got a chance. And we talk about this

in the interview, like nepotism in the coaching ranks is something that it's not a whispering thing. Like people are talking about it and they should. But I do believe if there's any dad that's gonna make their kid fucking earn it a little bit, it's Bill. And I think Steve has earned, you know, it. He's been grinding at it for a while.

And I'll tell you this, like when you talk to guys, because I text to a couple guys, to be like, yo, what could I ask Steve about? Because I haven't talked to Steve other than text messages in a couple years, but we do keep up. To a man, everybody's like, Oh, great, you're having Steve on, like guys that played for Steve and Pats and guys that have won championships. So he's earned the respect to guys around the building.

And that's one of the hardest things to do when you're always going to be compared to your pies. It's harder than what I have to go through because, as I always point out, if you have a dad that played in the league, that doesn't mean they're going to draft you. Your dad can't draft you. But if your dad coaches, he can hire you. And that's exactly what's happened in New England. but I think he's done a really good job of gaining respect. So you think we'll have the Pelichick name like in the NFL for like the next 25 years? I think he's going to be there a while.

I think it in little tease here, but we talk about kind of like, you know, diving headfirst into coaching, so to speak, and saying, fuck it, like my life's going to be different. He's crossed the Rubicon, man. When you're 34 and you have three kids or whatever he is now, 34, 35 has three kids. And you've spent this much time. It's kind of like there's no walking. way. Yeah. I feel like you're able to connect with some of these guests that have really famous fathers. Like we've had a lot of them like Dale Earnhardt, et cetera, like those always

really come through because you have like a unique connection. Yeah, that's interesting. When we had Dale's on and I said this, it was like people were asking, y'all were asking me, what do you think, what do you think Bill and Steve's relationships like? And I said it probably trends more towards the Dale senior end of the spectrum. You know, like a lot of people imagine that when you have a dad that's famous or a dad that, that, you know, worked in your career path, that he's automatically going to coddle you. It's quite the opposite for a lot of these dads because how do you think they got there a lot of them by having this tireless, ruthless work ethic where they really are just black and white about things. And I would think Bill trends more to that end of the

spectrum. And thus, I think Steve has really earned a lot of what he's gotten there. And so I'm excited to have Steve on you don't get to hear from a lot and Steve and I have a really good relationship so it was great to talk to him he'll be last we will talk about some code break stuff because there are codes being broken Nate on the river this weekend yeah you broke a code I broke a code really yeah we'll talk about it okay first things first dude I did not realize we were both on ballers yeah we were just sitting here bullshit and talking yeah two of the four people in the studio right now are HBO stars Let me tell you mine real quick. I'm in Miami.

I'm partying down there or something. I run into a guy that we become cool. We had some mutual friends. He's like a showrunner for ballers. And so he's like, hey, you know, do you want to come in the next tomorrow to be on ballers? And I'm already dead in the water. I've said how long I'm going to be there. So I can't make an excuse up.

Not that I would want to. I want to come hang out with the rock. Hadn't seen him since we closed the Orange Bowl, 48 nothing. And he did the coin. awesome but wanted to see the rock wanted to see like how ballers was made i don't watch the show uh but i was like yeah i'm not going to say no to the rock it's like when fucking president calls for the most part i don't say no to that yeah for the most part but it's like 10 in the morning so i

got to get my shit together i've been out in the club since until three in the morning i wake up i come down there i'm all i put a suit on they do make up the whole thing like i'm prepping for a roll dude like uh you know and uh and i do my little bit i'm like i'm gonna be on there for two three minutes whatever it is hey one's a show coming out i just want to see if i if i fucked it up man i i watched the show dude not only am i in the background i'm i'm on a tv i'm on a small tv inside the tv bro i'm not i'm an actor inside of it you know what i mean it's like a it's like a cameoception for me. Yeah.

Like I'm a cameo inside of a cameo, dude. The TV's so fucking small, too. All these pro athletes, they couldn't put me on a big screen, dude. Like one of those little TVs people had in the bathrooms in the 80s, dude, that's my scene. So the rock was super cool. Guys, an enormous, gracious human being. Everyone on that set was awesome. But I do regret going on there because I was on a TV, dude.

Not that I wanted a big role, but I was like, that was a lot for a little. What are you? You expect them like a big, like a big Tom Cruise role? I think the guy over, yes. I think the guy overestimated the fact. I think the way when they ask people to be on ballers, I think they're all like people are jumping to go on ballers. I'm more like I don't want to say no.

Again, I just said, I'm a yes guy. And like, why not? I mean, I could take a nap or I could go on ballers. Like in my heart of hearts, I'd probably rather pack a dip and take a nap. But like, you just say yes. Well, we were very different. Yeah, your role was much better. It wasn't that it was much better

I saw after this It was an extras role And it was like two days in with Fort Lauderdale Like the same area And it was funny because They had a bunch of people It was like a rookie symposium scene For ballers

And I just remember it being hot as shit For one Two, just thinking Like there was a few guys I knew there Like from the CFL And just being there all day and for what we were getting paid

it was like the two two or three days if you got invited for an extra day I think the maximum you were going to get paid was maybe like $750 or whatever or whatever out in the streets no but like it was just an extras role is the show still on these days it's it's on HBO like you can go watch it

but I'm not still taping oh no no no so how did it add dudes dudes it's funny because there was like strict instructions for it where obviously they had Dana White there, the Rock was in the scene, and they had stuff that they just had to have,

it looked like the rookies supposium and having guys walk around and whatever. And the biggest rule was when they said action where you were just supposed to walk straight and look straight, not try to look into the cameras. I remember that day, literally, they had to stop and they kicked two kids out that they wouldn't get paid. After being there already for like six hours,

like they finally start running the scenes and these kids like could not look at the camera and I just remember how like I thought it was so funny but it's just like yo you gotta follow imagine spending six hours thinking you're gonna be on a TV show and get paid 750 bones and you get kicked out

and you get kicked out but not for like anything egregious but something so simple dude you're gonna walk by this camera this is your one job don't look at the camera don't look at the camera camera's Medusa guys couldn't pull it off It was a funny time

But like I just remember about that scene though The Rock was A1 when it was this time to come in But I also You also learn about how they do kind of like movie stuff In Hollywood or wherever like for production wise And Rock's extra is like a 65 year old Puerto Rican guy who's just big Just yos

And he just stands in until they need the rock And I remember seeing this guy guy all day and then when the rock came in the one big scene that he did talking to Eddie George like doing the speech he knocked out in one take and he was gone and it was super dwayne dude super impressive it was dope time bowlers one of the nicest people ever you know and you know everybody that meets the rock will always remember meeting the rock so he knows the gravity of every every interaction and he was super nice you know when somebody you know like has much better things to do than talk to you.

Stends and talks to you for like five, seven minutes. You're like, damn, this is like, you deserve a write-off for this. Like, this is a, this should be a tax deduction. This is a charity conversation. How many times have you met him? I met him in midfield before we just torch the Miami hurricanes. That doesn't count.

And then I met him on set and he was super cool. He actually has a farm in Virginia in Orange County, I guess. We didn't do layup line last time. I guess I'll go layup line. This is for you uh kingston this is deep ellen blues live oh sweet mama daddy's got them deep bellum blues uh jerry garcia acoustic band love it great yeah yeah it's summertime that means the dead the dead and jerry and all this stuff uh back in rotation that's warm weather music that's river music dude speaking of warm

weather yeah i have something to tell you because i'm deep connected in the world of ice cream in Charlottesville. Oh, you got ice cream. And my homeboy said that he botched her order by accident the other day. That's your friend? And he wanted to let you know that he has a few free scoops for you whenever. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

Inconvenance that you, that was not a big deal. That you had to go out of your way and pick it up. He let me know. That was not a big deal. Like I told him at Ben and Jerry's, he threw me the upe because when the wife calls and says, hey, it's a tragedy. The Ben and Jerry's Grubhub didn't get here correctly.

I was in the Barracks Road area and I was able to, you know, just on my way home, scoop, literally and now I'm a hero. So thank you to your friend for fucking up the order because then I'm like, you know? He was devastated. He hit me up and he was like, dude, he goes, yo,

I fucked up Chris Long's order. And I was like, what do you mean? He said it was cool about it though. No, he absolutely did, but he was like, man, he goes, I had my made him go out of his way. When I enter a business, as long as the person's not being intentionally disrespectful or hasn't really fucked my life up, nobody makes mistakes on purpose. Yes.

And I ask myself, would I rather be me right now or the person that just botched the Ben and Jerry's order? So I'm not going to treat that person disrespectfully. And so, you know, I know this isn't a life advice podcast, shout out to Ryan McIllible, but we're dropping jewels in the first 15 minutes of this bad boy. So not to be invasive. what's your favorite flavor from there? Oh, uh, cherry Garcia,

and then there's another one that's got peanut butter in there. You like fish food? Peanut butter in the Cherry Garcia. So today Romeo Crenel announced his retirement, 50 years in coaching, which was surprising. A lot of people didn't realize how long he had been a coach. You know how they do gone too soon

when people die and they're like 97 years old? Right. Like, which is the thing of my, like, when like somebody dies, Betty White, she died. Reed, you know this. Damn. RIP.

Yeah, I know. That's a bummer. Or somebody who's like 93 years old and everybody in the internet's like, I can't even operate today, dude. Like, it's just such a tragedy. Like, dude, they were around almost 100 years. They should do like a gone too soon, like a coaching version for Romeo Cornell because I can't believe he did it for 50 years, man.

50 years is a long time. Do you coach in the NFL, bro? Damn. These people are insane. What's his age right now? It's got to be 76 years old. 75, 76, somewhere in there. He started when he was 25.

Well respected. You played for him. Yeah, one and all with Romeo Cornell, baby. Let's go. Undefeated. The East West, I was on the East, yeah, the East for the East West Shrine game. Yeah. Yeah, we played what, Roger Stafford was in that game.

Willie Young. Oh, yeah. People at home I remember Willie Young. Yeah, the bass fisherman. Yeah, the shit talking. Great dude. Shit talking. Paul and shit.

BYU quarterback from that year. I forget who it was. And Greg Hardy was in that game too. Unbelievable pass rusher. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But Romeo Cronnell. He coached us.

And if I'm not mistaken, we won that game. Well, I hope you won because you're out here. I'm saying it right. If not, it would be funny. But either way, I remember he was a great guy. I'm going to try to get him on the show. And the note's going to say You coach one of our co-hosts

In the East West Shrine game You don't remember You think he'll remember Bro, he's coached 50 years bro Yeah, that's so funny I couldn't even imagine a coach They do remember players though A lot of these coaches that

They coach a long time You'd be shocked how many people They're like oh I remember him We had him in for a camp I'm like what dude that was 80s What I remember about him I think he might have mentioned And I was just like

And I think it kind of made me realize how big of a coach's name Al Grow is because I remember I think the one like conversation I had with him he was saying like oh you played for Al yeah well he's part of the same tree and there were the three talking about the three and four and all that um so it was a good time shout out to Romeo dude shout out to Romeo Cornell we also had a couple other uh retirees you know they say death comes in threes so do retirements maybe fours sometimes yeah step on to it yeah Alex Mack Ryan Fitzpatrick Frank Gore who announced he was going to retire a couple months ago. He's for signed a one-day contract to retire as a member of the 49ers last week.

Hey, for clicks, should I officially retire? Fuck yeah, dude, do it right now. Like, how do we do it? Like, just say it. Tag Adam Sheff. It's like you just have to say it five times. Like, are you retiring right now? Yeah, I think I'm on the green light pod.

What's today's date? I think it's June. June 6th. June 6th. Oh, that's early in June. I thought it was like the 10th. 2022. Bro, we got a lot of time, dude.

I am officially, Nathaniel Collins is officially retiring from the NFL. Congratulations, man. Thank you. I haven't officially retired either. I'm going to officially retire. No, I don't want to want to ask you. I'll wait until tomorrow.

This is your day. I'm no longer going to think of this as the anniversary of D-Day. It's now Nate Collins' retirement. Is this the anniversary of D-Day? Yeah, man. June 6, 1944. This was the anniversary of D-Day. Now this is Nate Collins Day.

I'll wait to the Friday show to retire. How about that? I appreciate that. Okay. Yeah. Well, Nate, we'll sound the Hunger Games whistle for you. Yeah. In addition to the other folks.

And also, I want to say this, you know, like you went down a list. Ryan Fitzpatrick, one thought on each of these people. Because anytime somebody in football retires, you should, you should mention it. And, you know, like somebody who's been around a long time, like Ryan Fitzpatrick or Alex Mac guys worked really hard you should say some good things about these guys number one Ryan Fitzpatrick if I had one thing to say about Ryan Fitzpatrick it probably be that I wish I was on that graphic that he put out because that would have meant that I would have played with Ryan Fitzpatrick he's like on my short list of people I wish I play with and I don't care

if there are a few sudden changes in there because he was taking chances yeah at least it would have been fucking fun dude and I loved getting to know him, brilliant guy. Also, if you look at like the photo thing, you know, through his career, like somebody called a beard makeup for men. I think Tori Smith said that. And I think that's brilliant because as we get older, we love a beard, man. And Ryan Fitzpatrick, early, straight out of Harvard, pale face, no facial hair. It's almost like you glow up when you grow the beard through your career. I got the same thing. They used to have a meme when I was more relevant. that was like Chris Long has seen some shit.

My first fucking picture in St. Louis, I looked like powder. I was cheese in. I was super hot powder after the lightning strike. By the end of my career, I looked like a guy that might ask you what you're doing around these parts. All because of a beard. Yeah, just I looked like a swamp boat driver. God damn, was I inside for six years?

Oh, my goodness. How white was I, dude? That has to be doctored, dude. That's doctor. Is that doctor? You look like a white walker, yo Is that doctor, dude? The Ice King.

The Ice King. That's so funny. Look at this, dude. Look at this. Yeah. It looks like you got sent to the wall, yo. Have you seen Game of Thrones? Yeah, it looks, yes.

You look like you got sent to the wall in the bottom. You're chilling with John Snow. I do. I look like, I got sent to the wall. You can't, you swore off woman. I did get sent to the wall. That's why I did the Game of Thrones code at the parade. Going to St. Louis is like getting sent to the wall.

Well, going to St. St. Louis is getting sent to the wall except nobody's going to thank you if you survive. That's the thing when you, at least when you survive and you win and you keep all those motherfuckers out from the wall in Game of Thrones, everybody's like, you can have this fiefdom here. Like in St. Louis, I survived. I didn't get anything for it, just a lot of money, I guess. Yeah, you know, you got two. You got two wings. I hit him twice. You got two rings. Back to back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to back. Okay. Number two, Alex Mack. Alex Mac is probably a Hall of Famer, in my opinion.

At least he was a Hall of Fame quality player. He had some of the strongest vice grips of anybody ever played against. If I ever had to get in the A-Gap for some reason, like on a stunt and Alex Mack got his hands on you, you're like, God damn, this guy really knows how to like grab your jersey and not hold you, but actually do his job effectively. He was one of the greats and a great dude. Frank Gore, we've talked about him. I thought he had retired a couple months ago.

I think anytime you're boxing on TV, you might be done, but Frank Gore, one of my favorite players of all time. And then Stefan Tewitt, great dude, and retired at 29 years old, did not need to. Not enough people are talking about this. Another early retirement in the NFL. That guy was a really good player. And I got to meet him at a Kenny Chesney concert up there in Pittsburgh. And we've kind of kept in touch a little bit since.

Hopefully we're going to have him on the show soon. Love Stefan Tuit. But so a lot of dudes retiring. Can we talk baseball for a second before we get into the NBA real quick? Yeah, I was going to ask you if you jinx the Angels. I did jinx the Angels. I didn't mean to, but I'm starting to realize the power that we have on this podcast. First, we did a whole segment about what if Joel Embed wins a title with Philly coming back from this orbital fracture.

Where would that put him in the pantheon of Philadelphia Athlete Grates? and like less than 48 hours later they're fucking eliminated from the playoffs spectacularly and then the next one was like Luca Donchich we were talking about you know if he wins a title you know it's slow around here not a lot of football right now so what you gotta do is you gotta just speculate

things just wild speculation and that's what we were doing with Luca and you know we were saying hey where would this rank as far as finals you know, supporting cast, where would you put it up against the broad? So do you think you're all, like your only strong takes are football ones?

No, what I'm saying is I'm just good at jinxing people. No, I have good takes on stuff. Like, you know, as long as I'm not over my skis, I can give you some, like, good sports fan takes on basketball and that sort of thing. But the point is that it's just that slow time. So you got to really put a little extra dip on the chip. And I did that with those two players,

and now they're sitting at home. then we had Jeff Passon on and we were doing a circle jerk over the Anaheim Angels I mean yeah dude guys in here were like this is the best team ever this is the coolest team ever Mike Trout's the best baseball player of all time

now Mike Trout is a beast dude okay he's five tool player right that's what they say five tools five yeah that's right might be a six tool player baseball is a team sport though it is a team sport but all I'm saying is ever since we did that,

here's what's happened to the Angels. Yikes. They are, well, they're owe of their last 11. They're 6 and 17 since passing. And then here's the worst part. Mike Trout, who I don't want to jinx because he's cool as fuck. He used to sit front row

at the Eagles games. Like here's the best player in baseball history. Let Jeff Passon tell it. And he's sitting there, no security, front row. Not in a suite, anything like that. He's just a Philly guy. So I love Mike Trout, and I know he's going to get a hit soon. And the Phillies swept the Angels and Mike Trout this weekend. That's the only reason I knew.

Like with a bat phone, I can't keep up with baseball. What's a normal skid for baseball, like losing? This is bad. I want 11's bad, dude. Like, is it like three games, four games? It's like, oh, that's terrible. Then we get a win, even if you lose again. Three's like normal.

Three is normal. Anything over five. Very trouble. You get north of five. 11 is almost like, look, well, half a month in baseball? 11. 11 is, I'll put it, I'll put it this way. It's 99 innings.

shit okay like a little quick math for you there 99 innings of losing baseball and maybe they had some extra endings heartbreaks in there the only reason i know is because philly's fans were tweeting me thanks for jinxing the angels and i'm like hey no problem is there anybody else you want me to jinks they tell me they want the twins jinks i have no idea how to do that i don't even know who's in that division um you just have to call them the coolest team in baseball and like mispronounce their team name. Is that right? Well, you called them the Anaheim Angels, which they haven't been since 2004. I had a feeling

as I let that fly. So maybe you could call them the St. Paul twins or something like that. No, let me workshop how I'm going to jinx the twins. By the way, can we light one of these prayer candles here? I'm going to light it right now for Mike Trout. I'm lighting. We're lighting a shrine for Mike Trout

in here. Mike Trout. The Phillies are done with the angels. My team is done with the angels. You are now free to get get a hit. And he had to run the other day. He was walked. He had a run. So shout out to Mike Trouton. Sorry about Jinks and the Angels if you're if you live in Anaheim and listen to this podcast. The other baseball piece of news this weekend. I don't know if you all saw this. Matt alerted me that somebody flipped off the

outfield as they hit a dong this weekend in the college World Series regionals. Walk off hit whatever it was. I didn't see it, right? And I asked Matt, What did I say when you said somebody did that? When I told you they flipped off the outfield, you said they must be in the SEC. Totally, dude. Like, I watched Notre Dame play the other night. I've watched two games, besides Virginia baseball bits and pieces,

but two games in the last 10 days. I watched Tennessee, just assault Florida, or whatever it was, a swagiest team in baseball. We've got handshakes, we have moustaches, we have mullets, we have eye black, sauce, dude. These guys get ass, okay? And then we have Notre Dame. Notre Dame, when they do something good,

they like shake each other's hands. Like the regional baseball teams are like from different countries, dude. I'll take the sauce. I'd rather the sauce. Oh, I'd rather have the sauce any day of the week. That's why Tennessee might win the whole damn thing. And they're flipping off outfielders, dude.

I knew exactly who that was when you said. I was like, is one of those guys at Tennessee. Did you catch any of the game last night, the NBA? Okay. So caught a little of the game last night. It looks like the Warriors have what it takes. Now I'm not saying that every game's going to go this way. The Celtics are probably pretty tired.

If you're trying to jinx the Warriors, I'm with you. I don't want jinx the Warriors. I know you like the Celtics. I like the Warriors. You know what I like the Warriors? I like Draymond Green. I love Steph Curry. And I just like the fact that they seem to have built this championship kind of DNA there that's not fake.

Like they've won in a lot of, they've won with different casts, right? All right. So, yeah, but the one thing they've had in common that whole time is the same three dudes. They've had Clay Thompson, Curry, and Drake. Yeah, it's funny they have, they have the Splash Brothers, and now they got a guy named Pool, who's hitting a bunch of deep shots. I don't think anybody's thought of that, but that's the perfect third edition of the Splash Brothers, dude. Guy's name is Pool. Yeah, he's good. That's where most splashes happen in America.

Facts. Definitely not the first to think of that. Really? Oh, no. I've been offline for a while, dude. This is proof. That I haven't had a phone. You say you don't consume NBA media that you clearly do not.

God damn, there's a lot of smart people out there. I'm starting to realize you are. You're the sports little Wayne. Yeah? That's not bad. Anytime little Wayne gets like interviewed, they ask him questions. And like people don't believe that he's clueless about stuff because he's like, you know, like I don't watch or listen to certain stuff because it messes up my creative.

It's like this with the phone. Last night, I hadn't touched my phone. in 12 hours basically the uh the side phone now the side phone the one with the the the the hoarder phone okay yeah the hoarder's phone i got my hoarder's phone out i'm happy as a fucking i'm like a i'm like a i'm like a toddler i'm just bouncing around my bedroom happy right then you see some raccoon shit like fucking did you see some raccoon shit no so i'm checking my i'm scrolling through my comments and all the sudden i see under the social we posted of george kittle talking about lebron james's ability in football like hypothetically

which is an interesting fucking topic you know even though people wear it out we have here the guy that plays the position that everybody says LeBron could play and he answered it very honestly he was like I don't think he can play tight in I think he'd play tackle so but he wasn't dogging LeBron you're saying motherfuckers tall like people get chopped down so anyways social's out there I'm sitting on the

in my office on on the throne and I'm and I'm and I'm reading on my clutter phone. I'm reading my comments and I'm smiling and a guy in the comments is like LeBron's not even relevant right now. Stop with this. And so the old me would have been like, could you shut the fuck up, dude? Like number one, I don't care. Allow me to do content. Number two, it's not my fault, you know, that you're worn out hearing about LeBron. I don't watch daytime TV to your little Wayne point. Like I don't watch first take to be exhausted about LeBron. And number three,

the guy just became the first athlete to make a billion dollars right so i'm typing this very friendly novel to this guy because i'm happy fucking chris i'm you know like i you know my dopamine is out of control at this point and the old me would have would have cuss this guy out or sent this like irritated message back like i can't believe you would type something so stupid in my comments bro not only did i type him a nice long response. I said, what is the point? I'm two minutes into having this stupid phone for the first time today. And I'm arguing with a stranger about LeBron James. There is no fucking instance that illustrates my point better than this one. So you know what I did? I deleted. No, I just I won. No, I just didn't send it. I put the phone down. I took my happy ass to bed,

dude. Look at that. That's a big step. I'm happy for you. Yeah. So two things. Number one, I think the Wayne thing, I just don't watch and consume a lot of media. But I'll say this, man, the Warriors have a championship core, man. Like you said it, like they've been there before. And a lot of times that that doesn't show up. I mean, like a lot of times when the dynasty's over, it's over. But what's so impressive to me is they've taken a few years off and they're back. And, you know, they had injuries. They had Clay's injury. They had losses. It sounds cliche, but they know what it takes to win. Like, if you look at what stuff if Curry was willing to do defensively,

like he got switched on Horford in the post, didn't give up a bucket. Like they got to steal out of that possession. He just like was willing to dedicate his body. Like what Curry's been willing to do over the past couple years, advancing his game on the defensive side of the ball is like one of the least talked about stories in the NBA.

And I'll say this man, like it's just as an athlete watching them, it's just a it's a vibe they had about game two. And you know like you got beat. And I'll say this, you know, we haven't talked about game one. I feel like we wear this out. The team with the most rest is going to win. The team that's been sitting at home is going to win, right? And you think, like, that's especially true in football.

We all want the buy week, right? We want it because odds are that's going to give us the best chance to advance. But coaches are petrified of downtime, of stagnation, of sitting around. You know, they're petrified of, as Nate pointed out earlier, guys being at home longer. So I'm not surprised that even the Celtics running on fumes going across the country, having just done seven games, had the momentum and the wherewithal to finish that game. But the Warriors are champions. And, you know, game two, they showed that the way they came back out and really forced the issue. And Draymond said they had to feel our, what was it?

Yeah, Draymond said that when you're playing for a title, you've got to impose your will on every possession. You have to make them feel you every possession. and if you watched last night, you could tell that every time Boston tried to run anything, they ran into multiple bodies. That's why it felt stagnant. But really, it wasn't like they weren't trying to move. They just couldn't move because they were getting cut off everywhere. No question. And like for me, every time I would watch the finals over the past like 10 years, afterwards, I would usually listen to podcasts from like major media members, like Zach Lowe to break it down.

And those are great. I still love those. But now I go to Draymond Green's podcast because like, why not hear it from the man himself. Cut out the middle man. And also he's very good. He's very good at it. And low key, it's like New Age psychological warfare. Like if like the what he's doing and the way he can use his platform to kind of manipulate and kind of talk shit or talk trash.

But he knows how to do it in the right way to kind of poke at guys because you know all those guys are watching that and listening to it because to say he's giving good points. You think Tatum's on his podcast? Maybe he is or he's not, but I think that some guys, like, if you feel like you can get an advantage or, hey, let me see what he's saying, or someone's probably sent clips to them. And it's something like, even if that has happened, it's just like the Twitter thing. It's just like, hey, like, it's just another way. Like, when the game starts, I have this in my head. And for Dremont, it's like, if I poke the bear a little bit more, maybe I get this guy kicked out.

I think what's funny about Draymond is he knows that once you decide that you got to be an absolute prick, like I can't stop, whether I have one technique or not. You have to back it up. Well, it's not just that. It's like, I'm just going to be me. Yeah. And I think he's last night he illustrated why he's not afraid to like do that to the wall, you know, like to the limit. So, you know, a guy was fearless with one tech. I mean, he was down there wrestling on the ground with Jalen Brown.

Like, I'm like, dude, you might get thrown out. But as he said after the game, he doesn't. fucking care should have got thrown out and like I mean thrown out in the finals before yeah he knows how that feels it actually cost his team a series kind of I'm not saying it's his fault I mean he helped get him to that point but it was a questionable ejection for game six after given the like foot to LeBron's crotch region I remember that kicked out of the game yeah that was a big decision but as people always ask him like what do you like your draymond green so people are going to officiate you differently and then such and such so he's decided that instead of shrinking you know he's

He's going to embrace it and he's going to be more of an asshole. He's going to put his foot on the gas. I definitely think Tatum's watching that, listening to that podcast for sure. You think Tatum's listening to Draymond's? Hell yeah. Basketball players have too much time. No. Oh, they have too much time.

Yeah. That's why. So why don't you think they'll be listening? If you think so, they have too much time. I'm saying if he's listening to Draymond's podcast, he probably has too much time. No, like I said, like, yeah, I think at the same token, I think a lot of those guys might respect Draymond and, like, what he's doing. doing it's kind of like i don't know if it's not i don't i don't know if it's not been done before

but it's it's popular and maybe if you want to do business and you're thinking about doing hey like i got the same thing bro huh it's the finals bro it's not a time for market it's not that it's marketing but it is tatum is so obsessed with kobe that he thinks what would kobe do and he thinks that coby would use it as motivation or kobe would be like i'm not listening to a fucking podcast no or kobe would be like i'm going to listen to the podcast so that at the end of the day Can you see Kobe listening to AI's podcast? While he's shooting a thousand, while he's shooting a thousand free throws, yes.

Like in his earphones, I do. I think podcast is one of those things that you could do working out and still be on task and multitask. Oh, did you guys see the thing on Twitter the other day? It was the anniversary of Michael Jordan's switching hands in the NBA finals, which caused a lot of people to talk about how that play maybe is a little overrated? Sure. The play's overrated.

have to do it, right? Didn't have to do it. But it's not overrated because he fucking did it, dude. Here's the thing. Like, I kind of get, like, the act is overrated. We already know that, right? Like, we went through some of the greatest plays of all time. Don't let me get to the catch, bro. I'm going to get to the catch at a second, okay? Uh, Reed said Michael Phelphs Butterfly is one of the greatest thing. Scars Guard would dust him, dude. Uh, Willie Mays, all right, he caught the ball, you know, he was running. That's a really tough catch, okay? But, but, but, but, But when you look at that layup, that's all about nostalgia, man.

That's all about NBC. It's all about, if you go back and look at YouTube, what was playing after Jordan hit that layout? Jock jams, bro. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-da-na-da. Hey, dude, dude, dude, we're all kids. I'm sifting through my Gatorade tops to find Bulls and Six.

You remember those? You're probably a little too young. We used to be able to get the Gatorade. That layup takes me back to a time. time and a place. Not to mention it's the 13th straight field goal that he hit at that point. Unless I'm wrong, I think he'd hit 13 straight field goals. Phil Jackson's just like, this motherfucker, they pan to Phil Jackson. He's like, it's the audacity of it. It's just the like, dude, this is a big game. You're just switching hands arbitrarily

just to fuck with people. Like, he was that good. He was that disrespectful. So yeah, like any of these plays we could say are overrated in difficulty but guess what a guy who who can't hit the last 12 shots is not doing that and that's what makes it great is that jordan's like i'm playing the lakers i think i'll switch hands i'm glad somebody finally said i've always thought that play was overrated like there's no defender in front of them no it's over it's from a skill standpoint it's overrated it's not a game winning play no but it's michael jordan i love jordan love him no but that's that's the thing it's like we get it confused a lot. The best plays of all time should be the best players by making the best plays of all time because there are plenty of people who make more unbelievable plays than that.

I'll find you a more unlikely shot this season in the NBA. Dude, pick them on. Yeah, dude. That's what I said. It's like the jaw Morant dunk. That was truly remarkable. But a lot of these, it's like the dunk contest. We're addicted to nostalgia. We did a whole thing on this. A lot of the more recent dunk contests are actually really fucking awesome, but they weren't like players that people grew up watching

the kid from Orlando and whoever he was going against that year. It was Gerald Green and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon. Yeah. That dunk contest is as good as any dunk contest in the history of dunk contest. We're spoiled. We want stars. We want like

A-list superstars. And we also want nostalgia. And that's what that Michael Jordan plays about. So it's the camera flashes, It's the NBC. It's Michael Jordan. It's, you know, that's what it's about. So people want to talk about something on the internet. Thank you.

It gives us time to talk about this bullshit on our podcast. But yes, not as hard as people make it seem, but also like the balls to do that. And just being Michael Jordan, that's what makes you great. But the catch, man, I went back and looked at the catch. Aaron Rogers made a better throw last season, dude. Aaron Rogers probably made a better throw in the San Francisco game. I know this is sacrilege.

and Joe Montana is an absolute goat but you know Ed Too Tall Jones is sitting there and I know that's why they call it the catch but Ed Too Tall Jones is sitting there like I thought he was throwing it out of bounds so that's another strike against that play because Ed Too Tall Jones had given up

because he thought it was a throwaway but also Dwight Clark look at that catch man he didn't even have to toe tap that thing he landed like a foot in bounds I've seen guy like Donald Parham made a better catch last year in the corner of the end zone. The guy in San Diego

or Los Angeles. Damn it. Anaheim. But yeah, like, I'm just saying some plays are truly great because of the scenario that they happened in, the catch. It's the NFC championship. By the way, it's third down.

They got another down if they don't get it. If he threw it away, they got another fucking down. This made six championships for them when they get to the Super Bowl next week. So they're playing with house money. The thing that made that cool is it's a great throw, right? Great throw. Pretty good catch.

Big situation. And somebody at home is punching their smartphone right now. They're mad, dude. You're punching the air right now. You're mad because you say this is a bad take. That's fine. I think you're mad because you know it's true. The catch is overrated.

You want to say Michael Jordan's layup is overrated? Sure. So is the catch, dude. So is the catch. If we're pissing off San Francisco, can I piss off Boston? in Philly real quick. Sure. Carlton Fiske's home run

in the 75 World Series. Who cares? You guys lost the next game. But also who cares? Everybody in Boston. Okay. Other than that, who cares? And then AI's crossover of MJ.

Just an average crossover. Yeah, but it was Michael Jordan. That's what makes it great. You know what I mean? That's what makes it great. It was pretty average. Muhammad Ali, knocking out Sunny Liston. You know, like, that's a mob deal, dude.

He took a die. There's a whole Reddit thing about this thing. There were like 15 people at this fight. You know, it was kind of at this point. Sunny Liston was washed up. Muhammad Ali was young. People weren't paying enough attention. And Sunny Liston, I think, was in with the mob, and he took a dive.

He called a Phantom Punch. Yeah, the overhead angle is inconclusive. Inconclusive. So I'm just saying we could go back through all these plays. You're a Reddit guy? Sometimes. Not anymore. Interesting to know.

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take their two-minute sleep quiz, and they'll match you to a customized mattress that will give you the best sleep of your life. We got the big fella. We got the... I wish I could say he's the biggest man in Philadelphia right now, but I think that's Jordan Milata. Have you met Jordan Milata yet, dude?

Of course, man. I met him. He's crazy and ping pong. I'm kind of scared to go up against him, But you guys play ping pong together? Haven't yet? I haven't played against them yet. I still like running the ropes of ping pong.

So I'm like trying to make sure, you know, I'm somewhat good before I start playing actual people. Yeah, dude. So, you know, I just like, you know, I took the little table up and played by myself and make sure I'm straight. This guy's playing wall ball before he rolls out the ball against somebody. Yeah, I love his attitude. And you and Jordan, you and Jordan, you and Jordan Milata. It's a major like get out of the way situation if you guys are playing ping pong together. I mean, you guys should stream that game.

Honestly, I think the whole country would watch you guys playing ping pong. Hey, I think they said, uh, somebody on Twitter was like, we got to get a Jordan versus Jordan one-on-one border drill. Yes. I was like, man, the earth might collapse. It might collapse, dude. There's some rooms in Novacare that you shouldn't do that in. I don't know about the floors and the ceilings and all that stuff.

Hey, dude, you're in the Greek mythology. Did you know that one of Zeus's symbols is an eagle? Yeah. He's like, hell yeah, I knew that. You thought about that when the Eagles drafted you? Lord of the skies, man. Come on, huh? It was a stuff.

Poseidon, it's a horse. Like, you know, he's got it all. Okay. All right, that's good. Why are you so into Greek mythology? It was like the books I was reading. You know, like growing up as a kid, you know, you wanted something engaging. You wanted something that I could take your mind away.

And books was a great way to escape. And so I crack open a book and it was one of the Percy Jackson series. And then I just kind of got into it. And I was like, man, like, this is dope. Like, I love it. Yeah. Do you have a favorite Greek God out of the 12? I suppose 12 of them are the main ones, gods and goddesses?

I say out of the main 12, I would say definitely Aries, God of War. Yeah. Just because I was a huge God of War fan growing up. I think that's kind of what pushed me into Greek mythology, too. Yeah. The Green God of War. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah. So I was a huge fan of that. And then I would say outside of the Big 12, I was more of a hypnostic. kind of guy, the guy to sleep. Yeah. And so, you know, just, you know, it's just like little things here and there, you know, little tidbits.

It's funny how, like, people use that to explain what happened in the world and stuff like that. So, so Aries, from what I understand, I haven't seen the movie, Ariz lost the big game, though. Didn't he lose the Trojan War? I want to say he did. Yeah. In the game, in the game, he lost.

And he had to turn over his title of the Credos. The new crown king are. That's a problem, Arias, you can't lose the big game. We were going through in naming NFL players as Greek gods. And, well, we just stuck with the Greek gods. Do you have any idea who would be Zeus if it wasn't you? Do you have a Zeus in the NFL that you think of should be Zeus? Man, probably Tom Brady, man.

I feel like he's the face of it, man. Like, you bring, you know, you bring up Tom Brady. You know, he called consider one of the goats. So like, I would say current players, right? now, Tom Brady. I had Tom Brady as Apollo because he's the god of male beauty. The guy likes to take care of his face. You know, he's probably got all types of, you know, products and shit that he uses archery. So he's real accurate, right? And then, and then healing. Because you know he's got the TB12 system and he's got all that regenerative stuff. So we can do a whole pot on mythology, bro. I'm

into this. So it might be a two-partner. Yeah, this could be a two-partner. We'll get you back for the mythology thing. A couple questions, man. Like, you just got to Philly, probably in the last month or so, like, since I retired, I don't really pay attention to the OTA schedule. It's kind of nice. OTAs. Or rookie minicamps or anything, but did you, do you got a first purchase or anything, man? Like, are you like, hey, this is the first thing I was going to buy when I signed my NFL deal? I'm currently looking for a place now. Yeah. It's hard. It's very hard. You know, it's coming from, you know, college. It's like, you know, you can sign up for an apartment. It's like, you know, you leasing your kid basically yeah but coming here and then uh signing the contract it's kind of like

all the adult responsibilities is like pushed upon you oh yeah you're like man i got to get a car i got to get a spot like you know like Georgia Athens i was like 10 minute commute and that was probably the furthest like you know that you could live with the easiest commute but now it's like man like if i stay in jersey i got to pay a toll every time i come in to philly yeah i have to have a commute traffic the toll thing got me when i was in philly dude I paid, I just had to eat so many tickets. Got to get that easy pass, man. I'll tell you what the biggest culture shock for me was, was the no turn on red.

You know, coming from the south, you know, you pull up to a light and you can make a right turn. And you're like, all right, boom, I keep pushing. But it's like, man, like, you just sit here and I, it, I, not to incriminate myself or anything, but, like, I made a couple mistakes. You know, I turn right on red. And I'm like, ooh, I just see the side. Yeah, dude. And then you go to Jersey.

In New Jersey, they have all these roundabout turns. The jug handles, no left hand turns. Bro, the jug handles break my brain, dude. If you miss a, if you miss a turn, you have to go at least like a half a mile to hit that jug handle to get all the way. And then the other problem that he's probably going to have to deal with. I don't know if you've dealt with it already.

My wife is from South Jersey. So when I go to visit her, we'd pull over for gas. And I get yelled at all the time because I like to pump my own gas. I'm from the South as well. I'm not from like, so dudes will really get on your ass. about pumping gas. They want to pump your gas. The guy, the attendant,

pumps your gas in Jersey. I had a college roommate, D. Carter. Oh, not. He did not know how to pump gas. Yeah, dude, because he's from New Jersey. He was not allowed to get out the car. They don't know how to turn right on red. They don't know how to, yeah, it's crazy.

So Jordan's guy. How about cheese steak if you have one yet? I had a few. Yes, that's so good. I had a few. I was like, my, I had one, the facility, amazing cooks. I'm sure you know. They're the best, yeah.

I would say the facilities cheese state is the best. Yeah. Oh, really? Wow. Oh. And it's only an exclusive club that can have it. So he's like, man, if you're in the building, I would say that's the best kept secret of Philly Facility cheese steaks.

If you have a connect in the building, man, it's insane. And they only made it once, but I would say, like, outside. I had Tony Luke's. Yeah. I had Delisandros. Yep. and that's the one of two I had. And that was like,

and then I had to try gyms. I heard a lot of people talking about gyms and genos. Yeah, those are like the real chalky one and two. I'm going to, I'm going to admit something. I admitted it before. I still haven't had a cheese steak in Philly.

I was there two years. We won a Super Bowl, the whole thing, but I just never, because for me, I was 33 years old. If I ate a cheese steak at one in the morning, my metabolism is not taking care of that, Jordan.

Like the next day, I'm going to wake up with the love handles and the whole thing. And then I look shitty in my, Jersey and all that. So I haven't had a cheese steak in Philly yet. So when I come up there, by that time, I think you're going to have enough cheese steaks. We could share a cheese steak. You could show me with the best one you found outside the facility. How about that? Definitely. Okay. That sounds good. All right. So 99 versus 90. You were 99 at Georgia.

Now you're 90. I know a lot goes into picking a number. My rookie year, I had to wear a hideous number, 72. You know, top five pick. I got to wear 72 because all the numbers. So many vets back in the day. They were all taken. So what went into your process? Was it Fletcher Cox saying you got to have number 90 and sit your ass right next to me in the locker room? I'm taking you under my wing? Or was it like free will?

I just need 90. I need a fresh start. I got drafted. I came for the little draft presser and everything. Yeah, yeah. He already had a jersey made and it was just number 90. And I was like, hmm, like, I mean, I guess we've got to already got to figure it out for me. So I just took it and ran with it.

And I guess my mindset now is like, obviously 99s, tired. But I just found it as a great opportunity to carve my own path again. You know, do things differently as though I'm, you know, I'm still going to be me, but it's time to make a name for myself in Philly. You know, you can't really hold on to the past. And although my time at Georgia was amazing, like beautiful, it's time to create a new legacy. So that's what kind of went into number 90. And I think that's why I came to grips with and accepted it. That's really cool, especially because of, you know, 99, not you not having a choice and some of the great D. Lyman that played there, the history.

that you're going to see with those early 90s, Eagles D-lines are incredible. I know the organization loves that. That's like a guy that comes in and you're not, you're a first-round guy. You're not bishing about your number or wanting things and you're just accepting it. I think that's great. It's a good sign. And you're going to make the number anyway, so it doesn't really matter. That would be a positive, like if I asked him that question at the combine and he answered,

I'll just take whatever number I back. Oh, this kid's easy. Yep. So did you get any weird questions at the combine? Is that a tough process these days? I would say me, for say, it was pretty simple. I kind of heard every question on the Sun. So it wasn't really, like, kind of came out and, like, I prepared for it.

So how does that prep go now? Like, how do they prep you now? They literally have somebody that, like, worked in the NFL. I would say, I guess it's different for every agency. But my agency had somebody that was, like, inside. And they worked, like, for, like, 16, 20 plus years. And so they just asked me questions and I answered it. And, you know, honestly, the biggest thing is just telling the truth.

I mean, like, you know, they already know about you. They're asking you for a reason. Right. So, there's no reason to lie. So I'm like, man, like, you know, like, you know, I'm an open book. You have to be an open book because, you know, they're trying to, it's an investment. They try to see what they're getting. And so, you know, I just, you know, took it in stride.

He went through it. You know, obviously the on-field workouts was probably the easiest part of the combine. And just, you know, tore it up. and do what I did. How much did you have to come down from your season weight or did you to make weight for the combine? Because, you know, like weight is, weight I feel like it's something that people obsess over,

but everybody has the right weight for them. And nobody that's telling you what you should weigh knows what the fuck that is, pardon my French. But like, I don't think it's fair to kids to be like, you have to be this weight. How hard was it to get it down for the combine if you did? And how do you feel about weight? and how do you feel about being a three-down player?

Because I think you're going to be a three-down player, in my opinion. For me, per se, I would say my focus was just getting down to a healthy body comp level. Yeah. In the combine, I want to make sure I look good. It felt good at the same time. You know, numbers are going to be the numbers, but I just want to make sure like my body was tight. My body was tone, fit. And I was just really working on the fat, the body ratio, the muscle ratio.

So that was the biggest emphasis that I had. And, you know, as you go along and you burn fat, obviously the weight's going to go down. So I would say I played the season kind of like in a 350-ish zone and did not weigh it in the comment like 3-41. So although it was only 10 pounds, it was like, you know, you lose weight, but you also lose fat and gaining muscle. And, you know, muscle outweighs fat. So it's a lot of numbers. Exactly. A lot of sliding scale.

So it's kind of, it's really just one of those things. You just like a sliding scale. It's more about the body comp and just making sure. that you're healthy enough to play and, you know, to be that three-down player. Now is my emphasis in the off-season. So, you know, I've been training with a lot of people, Chuck Smith, because at Georgia, they didn't ask me. Yeah.

They didn't ask me to be a three-down player. You know, I was the guy to get them third down. Right. Here, you know, I have a different role. I embrace that role. I'm just learning under the grace because, you know, obviously you got Javon Hargrave, Fletcher Cox, Milton Williams, who was a stud last year. Yeah, he's a beast, dude.

Yeah, Milton's a base, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So like all those guys, I'm just taking bits and pieces and, you know, just learning the ropes. And obviously, I know they have faith in me. I just got to go out and prove it. So, you know, it's just like being a freshman all over again in college. But it's just a different stage.

It's a different ballgame. Everybody's at the same thing. The level of separation is really the fundamental. So just learning. Do me a favor. Don't let Fletcher Cox make you carry his helmet. Okay. I got rookie duties, man.

I got to do that. I got to do that. I've been looking forward to it. I saw you said, give me your credit card. I'd say, Fletch, C. Long said, don't fuck with me, man. Hey, last question. You were sitting around for a while. I feel like we all had a feeling the Eagles would grab you.

Do you think you were the best player in that draft? Is there a party that's like, man, I really deserve to go in the top five. Are you just happy where everything happens for a reason and you're in a great football city now? Like, what's your whole attitude and what was it like that day? Yeah, I'm a firm believer that, you know, everything happens for a reason. I got picked where I got picked. I got picked, where I got picked.

And, you know, I'm just grateful. At the end of the day, I'm just grateful for everything. You know, I could have been anywhere in this world doing whatever. But I'm here in Philadelphia playing football. And, you know, the fact that they traded up for me just shows how much they really care, how much they see in me. Yeah. And so, you know, that's a lot of pressure I put on myself.

And I just got to show it and prove it. Make sure that, you know, I'm worth it. Because at the end of the day, I believe I am worth it. And I just want to give everything I got in Philadelphia, just like I did at Georgia. They're going to love you, man. They're going to love you. And I can't wait to get up there and get that cheese steak hopefully. But, dude, best of luck to you.

I'm so excited for you. You're going to look great in 90. Go get it, man. And don't be carrying his helmet, all right? For sure. Go birds, man. I'll talk to you all later, man. See you, buddy.

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your river, the Rivana River, came in clutch for me this weekend, and I want to thank you for the hospitality because the James River was up at, like, you know, a week ago was at 11 feet this weekend. And if you know anything about me, when it becomes summertime, that's why I was just so excited about hearing it was June 6th. Every day, I feel like the days are just wasting away.

And I can't get to the river enough. And like two weeks ago, Memorial Day weekend, the river was too high. We getting out of here early today. I think I have my tubes already ready in my garage. And me and my girl might jump right on that river this afternoon. So, hey, bless you, bro. I don't want FOMO right now. But the bottom line is I was all depressed this weekend.

I was sad because I wasn't going to be able to go tubing because the river was so high. And I was like, you know, let me hit River But Reeds River. And let me see what that's all about this weekend. And the Rivenna, which, by the way, saw two bald eagles on there last year. Yesterday, tubing with Wayland for the first time ever. Wayland's first tubing trip ever, really hit the rope swing and everything. Sounded wonderful. He had a great time.

And if you're a dad at home, you know there's that one activity. I don't know what that activity would be for you if you're a dad at one point, but like, were you guys, if you guys have kids at some point. But like, if my kid doesn't like this one thing, I might have to give him back. I'm glad he liked it then. Bro, no, it's obviously a joke. But you would have been devastated if he was just like, oh. Like, dad, I hate this.

Because that's one thing that like, if we can float rivers, we can do it the rest of our lives. and we're going to have something to do the rest of our lives. Yeah. And I just want to be like, trust me, man. When he got in that water, he was a river rat like his daddy immediately. So I was really thankful. But the day before I took Whalen, I took facts. And we had a nice trip.

It was a great float. It was a great float except for the fact that you broke a code, bro. I didn't know that. What code did I break? Well, we both broke codes. Let me be out front about this. Okay. I got the lighter wet.

Oh my God. But only for 20 minutes, dude. I also found us people that, you know, I know a group of tubers that's got a lighter, you know? A guy has like predator vision. You did get the lighter wet. I did get the lighter wet. But to be, to be fair, it was the rapids were, you know.

Okay. But I'm interested to see what code I broke. So, hey, Mayaculpah, I broke that. I have sinned. I broke that code. and I'm the worst don't give me a lighter man this is definitely

this isn't going to serve me well if any of my friends are listening but don't give me a lighter like you might as well throw the lighter into the Grand Canyon because I'm going to do something not on purpose to fuck the situation up which led me to my next invention which is a smart lighter

the little decepticon if I had a yeah like a little robot this is the only thing that I'm pro robot on is lighters if you could invent a lighter that like hey we're going through those rapids Chris forgot to put it on the inside of the dry bag that lighter just climbs the dry bag and pops into the dry bag or if you're going to pass a lighter to somebody you're passing a joint to somebody who has COVID or that sort of thing like your lighter can like yeah detect COVID on somebody or or if your lighter's lost like kind of like one of those tile things like it makes a noise you know what I mean yeah like can we get that done? Elon Musk, all this shit you're talking about fixing Twitter. Give me a smart lighter. Going to the fuck, going to outer space. People are dying here.

Country's a joke. Get us a smart lighter. What code did that break? You broke the code, bro. The code you broke is that you had sunscreen the entire time, and my pink ass was just over there just getting fried, dude. I was like a piece of bacon. I was like a piece of sizzling bacon.

You were watching me turn red. And you had a whole thing of sunscreen in your fucking bag, dude. And like, we're about to take out. We've been on the river for two hours, dude. And I don't know if this was vindictive because I got your lighter wet, but you withheld that sunscreen from me. And what did I say? And I said, this is just like dumb and dumber.

And what did you say? I'm sorry that I don't remember in-depth scenes. What you said, yeah, yeah, you said only white people know the movie dumb and dumb. Absolutely.

I don't remember the scene. Absolutely. I think only white people know like in-depth scenes or can like quote the movie dumb and dumber. Like, it's probably true. When Chris said Aspen earlier, I was going to say where the water flows like wine.

Yeah. And the women flock like the salmon of capistron. I don't know. And is that a line from dumb and d' Dundner? Yeah, dude. Like, no way. Chris, Chris, like, Chris, like,

our pets' heads are falling off. But that's, that's our disconnect that, like, the things that Chris think are so, like, iconic or, like, yo, there's no way you didn't see this or you don't know this. But I have a lot of Caucasian blind spots. By the way, white guy bingo. And that's one of them.

By the way. That's one of them. But that, no, a blind spot for me, like, I didn't watch all of the fuck. I didn't watch full house. But, like, if we went on the game show, I would be so disappointed. I would be so disappointed.

You would be so disappointed. We went on the game show or whatever, and they asked, like, hey, what quote would he know from? And you pick dumb and dumber for me, and I'm just like, and you would be like, what? I'd be petrified. If I had to, like, phone a friend. I'm going to call Nate.

You would be so upset. Nate, remember when they were in those tuxitos and Aspen and they shot the cork out? What kind of bird was it that they hit? Fucking snow owl. Ask me anything about that movie. I'm pretty much going to know it. And I have average dumb and dumber knowledge.

Here's the funniest part about it. You said, only white people know that scene. Last night I was on phone with Reed and Matt and told them about what you did to me on that river. And Reed's first response was? Yeah, we're in the Rockies. You always bring two gloves. That's the fucking scene I was talking about in Dumb and Dumber, bro.

See, like that's, I have no idea. So essentially in Dumb and Dumber, Boyd and Harry are on a moped driving through fucking Colorado to get to Aspen to find Swanson. I thought the Rocky Mountains would be a whole lot

rockier than this. You know what your purgatory is? Or hell? It's just standing in a room full of white guys quoting dumb and dumber and laughing. There is nothing worse than not knowing the movie that somebody is just quoting the fuck out of.

You're like, uh-huh, don't remember that scene. But needless to say, dude it was like that scene where lloyd and harry were going through the rockies and i think um i think uh was it harry's hands were freezing right his hands were frostbitten because it's so cold they're just fucking driving all night and lloyd's like oh i got two extra i had an extra pair of gloves in my pocket bro they were riding for three days that was like us on the river we need to watch them and dumber can we watch them and number yeah we can do that okay there's two things that we need to do that are very important to me.

One of them popped up on the river, right? Yep, is listening to Pink Floyd. It's dark side of the moon. Dark side of the moon. And we're going to watch Dumb and Dumber. Okay, we could do that. We could do that. We're going to make content out of it.

No, yeah, that's content. And I'll find some culturally black things that maybe you should, that I don't think you've watched before. We'll figure it out and, like, we'll sit and we'll dissect and we'll watch. Speaking of whiteness. Paid and full? You seen paid in full? Yes, but it's been a very long time, dude.

I'm not going to be able to nod. I actually have a, I can actually, I had a whole. I could come clean on something that it's kind of like a green light. I broke a code like a week or so ago. So I let the weed take over me during the Joe Buck interview.

And I like to... This is so fucking funny, dude. I would like to admit that I was, Joe was getting a little long-winded at some of his answers and I was indeed nodding off, right, sitting right here. Because you were high. Not that Joe's

It had been a long day We've been in here a long time That was the longest day I've ever had Welcome to every day here I get it No I know I know Just so you know Nate what made you perk up

Well the funniest thing was The way you described me What Yeah saying telling me to wake up And Hey You got the footage of that Great perfect

Because I had no idea My co-host was asleep next to me So I was drunk on the river the other day and I like me and Chris are laughing and I go hey I thought it was I said the wrong name I said Rich Eisen in so he was during that Rich Eisen interview I was dead asleep I was like what you were there and then I was like no I was like okay it's like Joe Buck and he just started I was like I definitely dozed off bro and you were like are you see I was like 1,000 percent so pull that up pull that up pull that up you definitely broke a code dude that's that's that's man's law that's

God's law. But it goes to show. That's why I can't, for whatever reason, some people might not like to hear this, but the reason why I like Blunts is because whenever I smoke jays or paper, it's too strong for me. It's too strong. And I guess a tobacco that's in the leaf of backwoods or Dutchmasters, it helps me even out that I can kind of like not get too high.

But I stuffed the cone because I didn't have any backwoods because we stayed the entire day that day. Yeah. And that cone, it like put me out. Like once we started that interview, I got it dream. Not to be like, yeah, but welcome to the big leagues here. Okay? You know?

So anyways, uh, that's funny as fuck. Nate, we're going to get you on Dark Side of the Moon. We're going to get you, um, dumb and dumbmer. Dark Side of the Moon. By the way, can I just say, I know my wife. I know my shrooms or no shrooms. Oh, we're going to do boomers and, and listen, Dark Side of the Moon together. Lit.

Okay. So I just want to say that. this and I apologize to my lovely wife, but I don't know how you would put this, but Sandra Bullock in Speed or Sandra Bullock in Time to Kill or, you know, like one of the hottest performances or like one of the was that actress and dumb and dumber. I can't think of her name, but she was incredible. She's so hot. Look, Matt knows it. It's the 90s. So you can say like a chick was hot during the 90s. It was very much and it's the character. Yeah, but I can't think of the actress. She's not in a ton of stuff that I know, but I thought she was just real hot. I just

had a thing for her. Oh, me too. Oh, still do. The dream sequence. Oh, my God, dude. Her name is Lauren Holly. Lauren Holly. Oh, my God. In 1995 or whatever that was. For the record, Meg, that was 27 years ago or something.

So I can't get in trouble for that, but she was really hot in 1995. I don't know. I'm sure she's still gorgeous, but that was an all-timer. Hey, speaking of white guy stuff, can't dunk anymore. dude. I don't know. Tried it this weekend. Now, that's not to say that by the end of this week, I'm not going to be able to dunk again, but I beat my kid's ass and horse.

Was riding high. Okay. You know, took the shirt off. It was Saturday afternoon. Can you dunk it? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I used to be able to do, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, two hands, 360, bro. I have a video of you.

Yeah. Well, not anymore, dude. You know how the rim just looks really high nowadays? Yep. I had that moment and I sat there under the basket. I was like, I'm going to die someday and I will never dunk again. Yeah. And that's that, that was almost harder to stomach than never playing football again.

Bro. There's an indictment on my, yeah. Swallow your pride. Yeah. And just lower the rim to nine and a half. No, dude. Bro. Bro.

No one can tell. Put that video on. I'm not putting that video on. I'm not putting that video on. Slam it away, bro. No, that would be a code break. What? No, it's not.

Yes, it is. No. It's not because half the time you watch Dunkers sometimes, we don't know the regulation of the rims. It's a code break, bro. It's a major code. So anyways, in the spirit of the codes that you broke for sure and maybe the one that I broke, we're going to talk some code break before we get into Steve Belichick here. All right. So Reed and I put together a little list of some things that we were debating.

We weren't sure if these were code breaks or not. So we were hoping you guys could weigh in. Yeah, I'll judge Joe Brown this motherfucker. Let's go. Showing up at a friend's house unannounced. Depends on the friend, dude. Also, like the code break. Like, what fuck no?

Unannounced? I have a couple friends that could probably roll up to my house on an ounce. Bro, you would be very concerned if I just showed up and rang your doorbell. And your wife was like, hey, Chris, Nate's at the door. Because you don't do it. But if you stop by every couple weeks or something and you were just in the area, you're like, you know I'm just I would be like Nate's here no you wouldn't I don't think so you're probably right you're probably right because I got to tell you my brother Kyle he does show up unannounced as

fuck I do it all the time too I do it all all the time to my friends so you're like particular friends yes certain friends yeah Kyle though you know he'll show up and be like I'm parking here because I want to go hit golf balls at the golf course see that's different see that's different then sometimes he's like what you're doing yeah and I'm like I'm trying to you're trying to masturbate right now upstairs you know that sucks my family's gone and now i have to hang out with you catch up i'm walking downstairs with an erection i'm like can you wait five minutes um anyways definitely code break though okay so so so so that's that's probably a code break yeah i couldn't imagine doing

that like i don't i don't even know i've done it in my life to certain friends though a lot changes when you have kids though that's when it gets different like you just want to get When you have kids, when you don't have kids, you can show up to each other's apartment. Yeah. But when you have kids and shit like that, don't be showing up. Yeah, it's a code break. You're in line at the grocery store and a new aisle opens up. You jump into the new aisle rather than informing the people in front of you.

Oh, that's not a code break. Oh, no. Yeah. First come first serve. Pay attention, dude. This happened the other day at the local grocery store. There were long lines in the four aisles and then a number. new one opened up no one even gave another person a courtesy they just dove right over oh you got to

because it's the cashier it's the it's on the cashier if they come out that it's on them that they can pick where at in the line that they think it's fair and be like hey I'm about to open up you can start this way and then when people file in but if they don't do that it's first come first serve you can't do though you can't stand in two lines you got to pick a line what if you're with a person make a fucking decision. Now if there's two people, that's strategy. Yeah, like, no, but if you... No, but I'm not letting you bring a car in. Hell, no, it's not strategy. You can't bring a bunch of stuff. No,

but that's what I'm saying. It's two people trying to get into a concert. No, that, yeah, that, but if you're at the, you're at the grocery store. Yeah, don't be there. Unless you have a holding basket. Oh, come on over here, babe. And then and then, hey, can you back up? Let me get my hell no. So the yes and no. I mean, I don't think it's a code break

to take advantage of the open register. You want to give people a chance, I give people a chance by just looking for a second to see if the person in front of me is buried in their phone or something. But if they are, I'm sorry, man. That's your job to listen. Yeah, grocery store is probably one of those places that, like, it's probably, you're probably cold breaking a lot in the grocery store. I got a grocery store code break. When you're walking out of the aisle, dude, I have the right away. I'm the one, when I'm, when I'm traversing the outside of the grocery store where they say all the healthy stuff is, and you're in there in the Nabisco section,

and your dumb ass has got your head down and you roll right out into the fucking don't look at me old lady like I'm just like I'm Osama bin Laden because I'm trying to walk to the fucking dairy section I have the right away lady look both ways please some of these uppity ass whole foods people man

I don't know the cart I definitely don't know the cart etiquette cart etiquette is if you're on the outside that's that's the road you think about it on the road if you're leaving your street to get on the main road, you don't just drive out in the road, dude. There's stop signs, there's stoplights. I'm on the main drag. You're coming out of your neighborhood.

I agree. Code break. Calling a charge in a pickup basketball game. I'd have to ask Ryan Rusillo. Do you think Ryan Rusillo calls charges? Depending on where you're playing. I hope he doesn't or he's breaking a code. Is that a code?

I would ask you because I don't play pickup basketball. Listen, I think you're a little bit of a wimp if you call a charge. Like, you just got to change the way you're playing on offense. Like, if somebody's offensively fouling you, then you start offensively fouling them. Unless it's like, unless you're trying to be like a soft game. Depending on where you're playing. So the white basketball courts, they're anti-charge and where you're playing basketball. Listen, listen.

Where I'm playing basketball, they are not respecting a charge call. Right, right, right. That's the first thing. If you call a charge, they're either going to tell you to get off the court or they're just going to laugh at you. Yeah, exactly. So it's a code break. That's definitely a code break. I was on the phone with Ryan Rissile the other night.

Fucking, he called me, and the whole time he's dribbling a basketball. Like about a minute in, I realize that this guy's just dribbling a basketball. And he's talking to me about some, like, in-depth topic. And then next thing you know, like when it gets to my turn to share my problems, he's like, oh, I got to go. I hear him in the background. The guy's like, want to go 2 v2? Or what, would it, two's? They say, you want to play 2?

And then I hear some dribbles. Like, I got to run. So Ryan Rissal is out there shooting baskets on the phone with me. These people are, these pick up basketball people are different. I wonder if he takes charges. People at home, do you think Ryan Rissillo takes charges? All right. So imagine that your neighbor has let their lawn get way overgrown.

And then you mow their lawn. Is that a code break? Fuck yeah, it's a code break, man. Maybe I got some native grasses in there Nah, it's not a cold break What? It's not a cold break. I don't,

I don't own a house yet, but I don't, I don't own a house yet, but I got the end of the day, it's just like, like, what's that called? The homeowners association? In some states, you can legally.

Like the homeowner, like, yo, at the end of the day, your lawn, year long can affect how my house can either be worth more money or less money just the way it looks,

the aesthetics of the neighborhood. If your lawn is messing that up. Don't cut my grass, dude. Hey, out of my. Well, listen. So you side, bro. Listen, if I've, I think, hey, if I've talked to you about it, there's some layers to this. There's some layers to this.

If I've, if I've talked to you. So if your wife, not imaginary wife, has a fucking a bowl cut, can I come over and just like, That's different. Oh, it is? It's different. It is. It is. I don't like the bowl cut.

It's affecting. My wife might look at the bowl cut and say, that looks cute. I'll try it. You could be fucking my life up. You know what I'm saying? Kind of saying. No, I don't know what you're saying at all. What I'm saying is that you're breaking the code, man.

If you show up to mow my lawn. Yeah, it's a cold break. It's a cold break. Yeah, I'm slashing your tires, dude. I have to, yeah, I have to maybe leave a note or say something, hey. Yeah. Hey, do you mind, hey, if you can't physically or if you can't afford. We'll pay.

Yeah, if you can't physically or you don't have the time or if you can't afford to do your lawn, we will do it for you. Or ask me permission. Maybe I'm too lazy. True. Maybe I, oh, fuck yeah, but ask me permission. Speaking of, this is like off, not off topic, but there's a dude on YouTube who makes a lot of money. And what he does is he goes to houses.

But he gets permission, veterans. Yeah, he knocks on the door. No, if they just have a mess up, whoever it is, he just asks, hey, I see your lawn isn't done. Would you mind? This is what I do. And they say, yeah. And he hooks it up. So maybe we need, they need to do that.

But I don't know. Yeah, I guess if you just do it. I'm banging the gavel. That's a big code break. That'll get in some states, like if I was to. But it's, it's on the fence. I think people will be relieved. I think that's almost, it's like the snow thing.

What if someone just removed? Yeah. Shoveled your lawn. Yeah, it's a little different. I feel like it's, because everybody wants their lawns shoveled or their walkway shovel. You would think everyone won't their grass cut. This is me being particularly, in my opinion, if somebody's going to shovel my snow, Which I'd still like a heads up about.

I'd be, yeah. Really? Yeah. Like, I'm gonna, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna help you out and shovel your snow. Like, you wouldn't want a heads up? Fuck yeah, dude. Like, about, like, about what? I don't want to hear a shovel in my driveway.

Like, depending on what time it is, maybe somebody's like, oh, I thought it'd get out early and it's 5.30 in the fucking morning, dude. You're worried about different stuff, but I respect that. I get it. I'm also worried about boundaries, dude. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need people in my yard.

It's like when Makin, God rest his soul. He's out there somewhere at the beach or somewhere. He'll be back. Reapply. Yeah, re-apply. Make, re-apply. We haven't talked about you in a couple of pods, Makin. We hope you're listening.

We know you're not. But Make, like, Make walks through my yard, dude. He cuts through my yard when he takes a walk, dude. Like, I have a yard that in the front, you know, that there's a road. Isn't he a realtor? Isn't he legally allowed to do that? That's not a thing, dude. You sign all those papers.

But you don't know that you're just making it up. You're allowed to do that in the realtor. Yeah, why not? He's checking out the property. Like, if you're selling or if the house is on the market, I'm pretty sure as a realtor. This is literally like two months ago. Okay. The 15th time this year.

Can the doctor, like, stick his finger up your ass any time he wants? Yeah. Oh, I noticed you had had a prostate check in a while. Yeah, right. So, Mr. Helper over here. Mr. No Warning Help guy. Yeah, make me My kids are like

Slender Man's outside I'm like no It's just it's just making dude He's just cutting through her yard for some reason And then he has the audacity Can't talk like if I go outside Make what the fuck are you doing here Yeah can't talk I'm on the phone

Some bullshit I'm like Yeah That's funny A lot of restaurants started doing Like QR code menus how would you feel or is it a code break if somebody opens a restaurant without physical menus? I think it's somewhat of a code break.

You complained about this last week. Yeah, I think it is a code break. And I think it's not fair for the older community and people like like me, like myself. We just talked about this. If you ever wake up and maybe the weekend is when you do it because all week you're on your phone, what if I want to go out and take a morning or take a morning or take a day? day without my phone. So like if I walk into a restaurant, yeah, they're going to tell me,

hey, everything is digital. And then you're going to look at me crazy if I say, hey, I left my phone at home. Then find a digital customer. But like that's whack. Like that's terrible. And that's terrible for like, for like the marketing for everything. It's just like, hey, like you guys wouldn't, you guys were really rather be stubborn and just be like, hey, we do have paper menus, but we don't want to hand you a paper menu because other people are probably going to ask for a paper menu because it's way easier than having to go online, scan this thing, hope my phone has service, all this other stuff that you have to do just to order some French toast, bro. You know, there's other French toast out there.

No, this happened. This happened in Chicago to me at a place called Yoke. And if it wasn't for this place being so good, bro, it was worth it. So if I went back there, if my phone was moving slow and my service wasn't that good like it was for whatever reason it was at, and it took about four minutes for the entire menu to load and me to see everything. But it was worth it. But I think it is a little bit of a code break. Is this a code break or not arguing with a little league umpire?

No, my dad almost beat up a little league umpire. Really? Yeah. because of you indirectly yeah yeah so I always tell this story a guy

called me out at home plate when I was in Little League which is a code break your little league on fire like fucking figure out I got a better figure out why you're here I got a code rig out

you're not here to be the hero okay also like it's home run my first home run ever so I was crushed later on like the ump had said something slick to my dad same um and I guess my dad

let the first one slide and then was like uh bring the bat you're going to need it something to that effect uh bring that baseball bat you're going to need it uh that type of thing uh so i do think in certain circumstances not over maybe every ball and strike if an umpire treats my kid like like shit i'm gonna say the same thing bring that little 34 30 whatever bring that bring that louisville slugger different this is a different type of co-break i'm a little kid's a little kid, I'm watching my dad. I think this is for, he used to work for Allied, like the trucking company, and I think it's their company picnic. And my dad slid into home plate to beat a thing and ran over a catcher in a company game. And got thrown out. And like, they threw him out

of the game. My dad, and I just remember being a kid and just like seeing this dust of smoke. And then the umpire, like, called him out. And then he was like, you're out and you're out of the game. And I'll never forget it. And it's just, like, that's such a code break. Like, a company picnic. Like, I'm thinking about it now. Yeah, it's bad.

Like, how absurd that is. Imagine your peer doing that. No, yeah. And, like, you guys are all about to go back to work in, like, two or three days. Like, you're going to run into me. Like, that's bad, dude. That's bad, dude. That's a big guy, dude.

Yo, yes, he is. Six, four, six, four, a half. Yes, like, not a small guy. No. Not someone you want to run into, or not someone you're expecting to run into you at a company picnic. Yeah, dude. Al is a legend for that, bro. He's a legend for that, bro.

All right, so without further ado, let's talk to Steve Belichick. If you trust us with the team you love, you can trust us to help your love life. On the latest Blue Wire podcast, Don't Trip, Davis and Justice give listeners advice on life, sex, and relationships. As a former D-1 college athlete, David and Justice are huge sports fan. The funny scenarios brought up on the show feel like two friends asking for advice over a beer before a game. They engage directly with their listeners with funny segments such as simping or pimping, where they rate pickup lines, high questions to answer all the unanswerables, and live listener call-ins. and they also discuss tough topics like relationship ultimatums and dating app woes. They also have a hilarious TikTok with over 580K followers and over 11 million likes that

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Don't trip. We got you. I don't believe in love at first sight, so I'll see you tomorrow. Bro, what? Pimping. I think that was pimping. Okay, that was cool, yeah, because he's like, damn, I'm going to catch you tomorrow, though, and then we can fall in the other type chat.

Well, that's a little strong, but it's smooth. It's fine, that a little cheesy. Yeah, yeah, I don't believe in love. You don't really, you don't want to enter with love, but you're not even, you're not even bringing it until tomorrow, so it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. Well, here I am. What are your other two wishes?

Simping. I don't know. What is this a lad? I wish for money. I'm a huge fan of your parents' work. Pan, pan, you smooth. Yeah. Because it,

that means your mama's fine, too. You said, what's your mama looking like. First thing is I introduce my friend, Stephen. Steve, who the fuck calls you Stephen Belichick, dude? You know, family, some people in the building. I'm a big first, first name guy in the building, so some people fuck around call me Steven. Dude, I never Google, Google,

you before and I was like oh I should be calling him Stephen. So Steve Belichick or Stephen Belichick joins us now a dude that I loved playing for and somebody I stay in touch with. And Steve we haven't talked really like in person on Zoom or anything since I think like at the Super Bowls and all that I just wanted to show you something real quick dude. I don't know if the people at home can see this. Do you see the lacrosse shorts do you got me? Absolutely. Yeah you see those lax shorts. Steve got me those shorts man. He took care of of me in New England because I was, we have lax in common. So I wanted to start there, Steve.

Best all-time lacrosse and football guys. I mean, you know, it's got to start with Jim Brown, right? Yeah, I remember your dad pulled the bus over and was like, we got to stop and visit the Jim Brown statue. After we played Cleveland, we all stopped and took a picture. So I know it's Jim Brown. And then there's a ledge. Absolutely.

After that, a combo player, the next would be, me. That's a tough one that I played with or that No, this is the best NFL players all time that played lacrosse at any level that you know of. Because I feel

like this is a pretty easy conversation. It goes, it goes Jim Brown, then there's a steep ledge. You've got a couple white pass rushers in there. Patrick Kearney. Yeah, Patrick Kearney, yep. And then you had Chris Hogan who you had.

Yep, Chris Hogan. You know, Jared Bernhardt. I want to say he's with the Falcons right now. Yeah, Jared Bernhardt. He won the Torton at Maryland, went to Ferris State, played really well there. He's a great athlete. I've spent a little bit of time with him watching him at the University of Maryland. Oh, dude, I didn't know this.

John Mackey. John Mackey played lacrosse, the Hall of Fame tight end. I didn't know that. I did not know that. I should have known that, but I did not know that. So there's like five, six of them. Do you think we're going to see more? Chris Hogan is training with Bernhardt, yeah?

I wouldn't be surprised, but yeah, and it's funny, too. I actually played against Chris when he was at Penn State in 2010, somewhere around there. But he could score. He played in midfield, you know, good athlete, good all-around player. What was your M.O. on the field? Were you an asshole? Yes, I tried to be. I tried to be.

You know, try to play with a little bit of toughness because I'm not the most athletic out there. So I had to use some other skills. I mean, you had like some gorgeous flow, dude. I appreciate that. Yeah, and then you like trimmed it and you've been going back and forth. Like, what's the plan right now with the vibes for this fall? Are we going to let that main kind of keep growing? Yeah, you know, I've had the mullet here for about three, three years or something.

But going back to college, I used to grow it out. I actually donated my hair four or five times. So that was the reason for the cut down on that. But I always like to donate my hair and share the love with people. Do you think you could cut the Christmas tree down that's right behind you in your linebacker's room there in New England? You guys are so detail-oriented. It's fucking, I think it's June. I don't have a calendar since I stopped playing football, Steve.

But you guys got your Christmas tree still up. The New England Patriots have a Christmas tree and one of their most important, maybe the most important meeting room in the building outside quarterbacks. Absolutely, yeah. And, you know, I'd say the reason why it's still up there is because we haven't cleaned anything. So

that's probably the reason why that's there. But it's also, you know, festive. It lightens the mood a little bit. So we'll keep it up here. It is festive. It's got three ornaments on it. They're all red. Nicely done, Steve. Oh, four. There's four. There's four. Blue lights.

Okay, got some blue lights in there. Okay. Yeah, some sparkled and some mats and, you know, a couple, couple of ornaments on there. Rookies did a good job last year. All right, so let's talk about these Super Bowls, man. We haven't talked since the Super Bowls really, like, on the phone or anything. I'll start with the Atlanta one because I was there. And people have asked me this question a thousand times, and I really haven't had a good answer.

They're like, what was halftime like? and I have no idea what Bill said. I have no idea what y'all said. What did y'all actually say? How did we fix that? I'd say a couple things that I remember mostly about that was, you know, Julian sitting on the bike in the middle of the locker room like 60 minute game, you know, and you know, Jewel's always fucking around.

We got them right where we want them. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Which we didn't. I was like, Jules, this is not a time. for jokes, dude, some people in here have never won a Super Bowl. Yeah, I know. Like, I know you get to go home, but, uh, yeah, I'm going to never be the same. Yeah, so Jules was, you know, kind of keeping it light.

That's a great part about sports. And, you know, we went out there, um, and just kind of kept battling and it ended up bouncing our way. Dude, that was, I mean, just, I can literally remember sitting with Ninko before the, the game. And you know, we used to just like, me and Ninko used to commiserate or like, you know, complain to each other, like just be old together. Yeah, I know. He got me immediately.

Like, he took me under his wing immediately. And then by the end of the year, I'm like playing psychiatrist for him. But we were sitting there, like, I'll never forget the conversation where he was like, dude, this is going to be awesome. But I'm just going to tell you, if you lose a Super Bowl, you're going to wish you went 0 and 16 and never sniffed it. He's like, it is the worst feeling on planet Earth. Yeah. We have a saying around here that once you get to the playoffs, only one plane lands and everybody else crashes and burns in the ocean. That is fucking morbid.

But it's true. It's the truth. And so, you know, only one team's plane is going to land and everybody else is going to crash and burn. So, you know, it's also that time of the year. It's either a hat and t-shirt game or it's a trash bag game. You're cleaning out your locker with trash bags or you're celebrating with some new hats and t-shirts. So we always like to be on that end of it, but can't always go that way. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's like you guys over the years, and some of these losses or wins predate like you being there as a position coach. But I always, when people are like, oh, the Patriots just, it's boring because they win too much. I'm like, do you know what goes into, I mean, there was a decade there where if you don't pick that ball off, if Malcolm doesn't pick that ball off, like you guys are empty handed. I mean, it's not like, there's a lot of losses in there. You know, there's Denver, you know, there's, I mean, I remember watching the Denver tape. Y'all were pissed about that when our crop of free agents got there.

And like, people only see the wins. They don't pay attention to the losses. Like, which plane crash was the worst? Well, you guys beat enough in the, in the Philly Super Bowl in 2017. That sucked. Well, yeah, because you were on defense. But, I mean, like, you're just like, fuck, man. but I mean we caught lightning in a bottle

it was just one of those things you know and that was the ultimate oh we're playing the Patriots the thing you always talk about like as if you could be any more psyched for a Super Bowl typically we have the target on our backs but at the same time like no one's I don't care who you're playing you don't go into a game saying like we don't have a shot or you know I don't think we're good enough

you know that kind of target on the back type of thing it's like you're going into one every game I don't care who you're playing again so you know I wouldn't understand understand the other side of it, but at least to me, it's like, expect everybody's best shot, whether you got a target on your back or not. Yeah, I know. You definitely don't understand the other side of it.

The other side of it is, like, almost easier in a lot of ways because you're just like, you know, like nobody expected us to beat you. We expected to beat you. I mean, like, you know, we put the masks on all that shit, but that's a fun thing. It's a thing to get the fans involved. It's a thing to get the, you know, the troops rallied. But we expect to win that game. But I'm not going to lie, dude.

I was walking around the whole week asking guys, like, how much do you think we can score because you know like tom in the second half just starts in grunk and those guys like just started figuring us out and it just became a thing it was like goddamn who can get a stop the thing I remember about that game and I don't know if you remember this too is like everybody was sick because it was so damn cold up there in Minneapolis and we were just staying in the mall of America and y'all were on one side and we were on the other side and it was like just germs traveling back and forth nobody went outside Yeah, we were all all packed in there.

It was kind of, it wasn't cool. I mean, you know, all the Super Bowl locations are different. I'm sure you're experiencing. And we were in Houston against Atlanta was different than us going to Minneapolis. And I've been very fortunate to, you know, be in those situations. But it's, it's cool. And yeah, I'm sure it was a German-fested area of a Minneapolis. I mean, yeah, it was German-fested.

Like, I used to, I passed. This is, this is interesting. like what did you think about like what if we passed in the hallway in the mall of america would you said what's up or would you have been like yo it's game week bro no me and you are closer than i know we are but i would definitely so what's i know i would have too i was like tracking down dev to be like yo let's let's let's eat like on the low at bennihana's or something yeah exactly that was the week the houston the houston super bowl was when ernie adams smacked his head i thought he got hit with a football, but he actually,

he like fell or whatever it was? Yeah, so, yeah, we were doing a, whether it was kickoff or kickoff or turn, one of those. And, you know, it was a deep kick in the end zone, and he started backing up. And he kind of tripped and fell and hit his head. And so the, you know, trainers went over there, Jimbo and his crew,

and then they took him inside, and I'll never forget him coming back out to finish off practice with, you know, the white wrapar on his head, looked like he was in the Revolutionary War. That's true. That's what it was. He looked like a mummy from the chin up, dude. He had like two holes for his eyes. It was just gauze. It was gone. You know, he got the slow clap from the team, came back out there and didn't

miss a beat and it was fantastic. It was fantastic. Ernie's a legend, bro. Like what did he bring in his tenure? I think a lot of people, he's shrouded in mystery, but like, I feel like even for players sometimes, I was like, what does he do? I know he's important though because even Bill is like, yeah, that's my, that's kind of my equal dude. Yeah, he, uh, he definitely liked, you know, being behind the scenes. He, uh, he taught me a lot. I used to have some great conversations with Ernie, just, you know, any position on the field,

he was well-schooled in, and he used to, you know, talk to me about quarterbacks, talk to me about specialists, talked to me about any position on the field and just kind of hear what he had to said. He, uh, he was so smart, but he broke it. down very, very simply for me. And yeah, I love Ernie. I love it when he comes back around here. I mean, he is, he's brilliant. So he still comes around? He comes around every once in a while. I'm sure my dad still hasn't doing some projects that no one else he would trust to do. But he comes in here, he watches some of the draft picks before the draft. And he's good with all

that stuff. Yeah, he's probably got a key card for life, dude. I do want to apologize for the time. that we had two droppers, two edge droppers when we played the Jets. Do you remember that? I do remember that. High was just yelling shit at me. And I was like, what the fuck? What's the call, man? What's the call?

And he was like, whatever it was, the dropper was on the other side. And I'll never forget when we watched in the film room, both defensive ends dropped out. And we had a two-man rush. And I remember Matt Patricia was like, that's the first two-man rush in NFL history, Chris. Congratulations. So I want to apologize. for that. I don't think Patriots fans noticed

it, but I know y'all did. Yeah, well, we actually, that was a good down for us, but hopefully that messed up the coaches, whoever we played the next week, like, oh, what the fuck are they doing out here? Well, Chris M.E. No, they're running two-man rushes here. They're changing the game.

Like, honestly, that's the next thing. At some point, Steve, when the NFL, you know, it's Copycat League, and a lot of times, the teams right now are trying to give it a little room before they copy it, but I'm thinking any year now, we're going to see another two-man rush. You know, it was a great situational call. We knew what we were doing.

You know, I was surprised your instincts as a defense event always going forward, for whatever reason, told you to go backwards. But we always say that in the line back room. You know, when shit hits the fan, are you just going to go rush as fast as you can? Or you're just going to drop back and figure out something to do back there? Well, I was trying to make myself, I was trying to avail myself to the second level.

So speaking of coverage, the Rams Super Bowl, the thing I always wondered about this, you know, like I always say it, but I don't fully understand it as a lineman. Like what does Stefan Gilmore do for a defense in 2018, whatever it was, or 17, right? It was, I forget, I got my years mixed up, but that was the year you guys shut down the Rams, right? You guys were just, was that Gillies year? 18, yeah, he played well in 18. Then he was the, you know, player of the year, defensive player of the year in 19.

But yeah, the confidence you have with a corner like that, especially until to passing wide receiver, quarterback-driven league, to have guys like him out there, along with many other good players, but to your question, Gilmore, it just gives you a lot of confidence and a lot of versatility defensively to do other things with other guys instead of having, you know, to commit an extra player, you know, favor of the field because of a receiver, you could just kind of put stuff out there and let him go to work. And he always did that for us.

Did he ever have like a battle that you were just like, damn, like I can't wait to see Steph the way he's playing, play this receiver? And is there ever a conversation that, you know, with him, like where where you say maybe we don't take away their best guy, like maybe we, it's too obvious to put stuff on the number one and erase this guy. Like, we, we, we, throwing a wrinkle. Like, what's that conversation like? You know, I'd say one of the great parts about stuff was that he matched up against,

against such a variety of receivers. You know, in the Super Bowl, he was on Cook's a decent amount. He was obviously a smaller, faster guy, but he matches up against big receivers, you know, long speed guys or short area quickness guys. It didn't really matter to him. He could adjust this game. I mean, I'm sure he felt more comfortable.

going against one or the other. But he can match up against all those guys out there on the perimeter. And, yeah, we've done it. We've done a couple ways where, you know, put him on their number one and hope that he's going to lock that matchup down or put him on, you know, one of the next tier guys and put the help over to the other side. So he's done it all and he's done it very well.

That was such a crazy game because, I mean, it was just like everything that they did all year they couldn't do. and I was even surprised you know attending the game having played with y'all I just I knew you would throw wrinkles at them and I knew you would you would change the terms of the game

but it just was so low scoring it was incredible the big the biggest play of the game was the gronk bomb yep I mean if not for that I mean maybe it's like a three three ball game going in overtime I know it was a it was much better

change than the Philly game where we couldn't stop anything. Yeah, that was, yeah. You know what? After the Philly game, after our game, I said to my friends, I was like, watch how good their defense gets. I was like, just watch how fucking mad they're going to be

and how much they commit to like, I was like, if I know coach from one year, like they're not going to, if they're going to lose, they're going to lose a nine to three game. They're not doing this anymore. So speaking, like, Malcolm, he's, back Butler, one of my old teammates. I always say this. The Patriots, there's something about them where guys come back, right? And I think that's pretty cool. Like Van Nuys has been back. A whole

host of guys have been back. Some have been back like twice, I feel like. Yeah. Malcolm is like the perfect Patriot way guy to me because he made one of the biggest plays in franchise history. He also had to sit down for a Super Bowl, like on short notice. And that's like the full range of emotions. It's about what you're doing right now. You know what I mean? To top that off, he's back now. So like, he's not even mad about it. He's just like, is, is that what being a patriot's about? Is it just like riding the wave and making yourself available? Is that the patriot way? Is that like, what is the patriot way? I'm just thinking about Malcolm. I was thinking about it this weekend. I was like, damn, he's backed. He put all that in the rear view. He was available when he had to be.

He made the biggest play. He paid attention to something in practice. he had the key he executed then another Super Bowl he's got to sit and now he's back like what do you what do you say about that um you know i mean i don't want to speak from malcolm but just those guys who come back um you know we we got jamie back last year for the kind of the second stint um guys like trump brown um you know it's a long long list of players but uh for me personally uh I just like it to be fair. Like I think for those guys, again, you'd have to ask them to get the real answer. But, you know, they know they're confident in their skill set as they should be.

And if they're the best player here, then they're going to play. And we try and try and do that to the best of our ability and not overcommit to somebody just because of the investment we put in them. But, you know, give them a chance to go out and compete. and if they're the best, then let them go play. Is there anybody ever were like, baby, come back? A lot of guys. You, for one.

I'll be back. We'll hang out. Yeah. No, I mean, we have a bunch of, I mean, you know, you've been here. We've got a bunch of good guys in the building. So it's always, it's always exciting when they come back, especially Jamie. You know, I love, love Jamie, love spending time with him. Jamie's fun.

Jamie's fun. He's going to let you know where you stand. I really like Jamie. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You've got to be honest and up front with him, and he'll do that with you. He will reciprocate. Yeah. And what about Ninko? If Niko walk back at the door, are you locking the doors or you let Nick? Yeah, that's one. Code Red. Yeah, I talk to, I talk to Ralph all the time. And, you know, we're Croatians. Oh, yeah. we got to stick together. But yeah, he's one where I would definitely have to have a sit down and talk with him and make sure that we're all on the same page.

Do you think? And then have the same talk the next day and make sure we're on the same page. Do you think that Bill, when he found Rob down in Miami or New Orleans, like long snapping was like, we give this Croatian kid a shot? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's kind of like the Navy guys. We got a soft spot for those guys. The Ruck is, oh, hold on, because the biggest soft spot, and to me, this is like the thing on your browsing history that you don't want anybody to know about is that you have a Ruckers

fetish up there. And I know you have a Ruckers fetish because you're a Ruckers guy, but your dad has a Rucker's fetish. I mean, what's not the like about a Rucker's guy? Possibly stepped on a needle on his way to the facility from Piscataway? Like you might have tetanus or a venereal. I don't know. So I hit up that.

Me and McCordy are always going back and forth on this thing. UVA Rutgers, the whole thing. How many players do you think you've seen from Rutgers in your time? Over under 10. Over 10, right? I don't know if it's been over 10. But, you know, we had obviously Dev and Jason, Logan Ryan, Duran. Tim Wright was a tight end.

And obviously, Sunu, he came through here, Justin Francis. Well, we're at nine, I think. Are we at nine? I think we're at nine, dude. All right, well, maybe it is up there. We've had some other guys bounce in and out. But maybe it is up as nine. Well, I don't have to give them a chance, give them a chance to what they can do.

And, yeah, they're well coached there by Greg Schia. You can count on that. You know, I lost count. I didn't get my degree. you went to Rutgers, so we lost, we lost count at nine. We won't even try to keep going. So, yeah, I know. That kind of sums up Rutgers, you know.

Yeah, it does. So last year, man, I thought this was really interesting. And I really wanted to ask you this is like, you watch Brady for years. Like, I would marvel watching him in practice. Honestly, I would marvel watching Gronk more. I remember getting there and being like, damn, I know Brady. Brady's the goat, but Gronk might be the best football player I've ever seen. Like, it's just insane to watch.

But watching Brady is like watching like a genius at work. And I just wonder when you guys were prepping for them last year, week four or five or whatever it was in the rain, and you guys hosted them and it was a really good football game. I think most people were surprised that was close because they didn't know you guys yet. They didn't know you were for real. And they also didn't know how well you guys probably knew Tom.

when you're watching him and your game planning, is there something new you learned about him? Like, is there something that he was doing that he didn't have the latitude to do offensively? You're like, oh, Tom really wanted to do that the whole time? Like, what was it like watching a kind of a close friend play football on the other side?

You know, it was like 20 years of history with Tom. Right. I remember, you know, back in 2000, when he was the fourth string quarterback, and I was just the coach's son running around the field. you know, that's when I used to actually have a catch with him on the sideline because no one else wanted to catch passes from the fourth ring quarterback. That's pretty good.

We would hang out on the sideline and then obviously I wasn't there for a while. But then when I started, running the scout teams and stuff like that, I used to always go ask him, you know, how's the look? Do you like this? And he would say, well, you know, they play their defensive scheme a little bit differently with all the film that he watched. So I kind of got to learn about. defense in a way from him based on what he saw on tape.

And then obviously all the stuff he did here was incredible. How smart he was was incredible. I'd say one thing, too, that going back to Ernie was, you know, a lot of quarterbacks nowadays, they don't signal out the protections. So they don't know who the free, who the free rusher is, which would never happen with Tom. So he would call the protection. He would know, you know, on paper, who the blockers were responsible for.

and then we didn't have this guy picked up so he's kind of the hot receiver or the side of just type of a player so his knowledge of that was good and I just felt like you know you had to be on it with Tom like move on to the next play but start thinking about the play after

so there was a balance with that you know I got killed after that game and I became a GIF and everybody loved to see that oh the kingpin thing dude the tongue thing what were you actually doing Was this just like a nervous tick between plays?

You were just like, fucking luck. I was just thinking a lot and trying to, you know, stay ahead of it. You know, I'll never forget after the game. My wife and Pat Schong, they were sitting together watching the game. And they just kind of put their arm around me like,

it's going to be okay. What's the fuck you're talking about? They're like, just battle through it. You've been through worse, but battle through it. And I was just in it. And all my friends loved it.

They enjoyed that. I loved it, dude. I was like, yes, dude. I know you love it. This is great. This is great. I have no idea what he's doing, but this is great. That game was so fucking fun.

And I know everybody was like, oh, I hope they play again and all that stuff. I just think it was so interesting to see Tom, you know, in a new spot and like learning as he went as a year went on. Like, here's this genius guy that's been through 20 years of the ringer. And he's still learning, like, because. he's adapting to a new offense. He's tinkering with things the way he would. Did you see that kind of growth through the year, like the change like everybody else saw? Like were you, as people were like, what's wrong with Tom early?

Did you know what was going on? No, not really. I mean, I just kind of, you know, I'd say the pieces there on their offense are different than the pieces that I saw. Yeah. You know, Tom Huff here. I mean, he has 20 years where he had guys like Randy Moss, West Welker. jewels, obviously Gronks down there too, but, you know, endless amount of skill players that he was around when he was in New England and now he goes down to Tampa and the pieces were a little

bit different, but I mean, Tom knows what he wants to do, I'm sure. And so he kind of adapted to what he had around them, which I wasn't surprised to see. I knew that I knew that he would make it right down there. He's smart enough. It was funny because, like, I always think of that as when you guys run into him on the field, it's like seeing an exit, like a dinner party with like the new guy, and you're like, oh,

you're into that, huh? And then, and then, like, you realize that he has four players that are former New England guys on the team right now,

and you're like, but you're still kind of like me. You know, like, he's still into, he, like, there's still the bones of,

Tom's still like a patriot at heart, I bet, the way he thinks, but it's just a different program. And I think it's cool. I think it's cool to see his personality. I think there's a big misconception up there that people aren't allowed to be who they are.

I was always allowed to be who I was there. And for sure, Tom could be whoever he wanted to be, I bet. But for whatever reason the last year, he's just like exploded onto the scene with this brand. And I wonder how much of it is like, oh yeah. Like I know I'm not going to play another 10 years. I need to start like showing people who I am so I can go do these things that you're making the news for now, like making 37 mill to call games.

Yeah, I know. That's crazy. If you need an anchor on there. Yeah, exactly. No, I can't wait to see. I've been saying I can't wait to see the production meetings. Like if I, I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the production meetings.

When he comes back and does a Patriots game, I mean, that's going to be so mind-bending to see him in a suit in a hotel talking to your pops, you, Mayo, whoever it is in that room. Yeah, I know. He'll probably be telling those players and coaches what to do in the game rather than,

those guys telling him what we're going to do. Yeah, no, no question. Is there any Patriot that over the years, like, a long time ago, we didn't get to see their personality just because of the lack of social media or because of, you know, kind of the way things

were that you kind of wish people would have seen more of? The way we got to see more of Brady this year, like who he is, was there anybody that you were like, damn, this guy's got an electric personality. But it's just not that time, you know, whether it was 2000, 2010.

Back then, no one really... I feel like Will Fork. I feel like Will Fork kind of exploded on the scene a little bit when he started wearing overalls and stuff. People were like, oh, this guy's super funny. Yeah, I'd say kind of to your point before, like, we don't really try and like handcuff people to not not be themselves in the building. So I've kind of seen those sides of, like I knew Vince was a clown before.

Yeah. You know, he was wearing overalls and stuff like that. I mean, he's a great guy. Even Mayo working with him and stuff like that. You know, he was a clown back when he was playing and stuff like that, too. You mentioned Mayo. It's funny to see guys like our age, yourself, Mayo. Like, now we're like grownups.

You know what I mean? Like, you guys are really, like, they talk about Mayo for head coaching gigs, like that sort of thing. Like, I called Mayo. That's a guy in my draft. I called him, you know, a couple months ago. I was like, holy shit, dude. You might be like holding a, you might have a headset at some point.

The world is moving fast. I know. It is moving fast. Yeah. Try and be like Peter Pan and never grow up. But unfortunately, that's not reality. You need a podcast, then you never have to grow up, bro. I know.

We were just talking about, like, coaching and how crazy it is that, like, you guys are really doing this and the whole thing. I mean, I was talking to Tom Curran about this, and he said that you guys talked once, maybe in like 2014 or 15, like after one of those Super Bowls, and you were like, it's a tough lifestyle coaching. Like, it's tough on your family. It's tough on the whole thing.

Like you grew up in a coaching family. You have, what, two kids now? Three. Three kids now. Whoa. Yeah. Should I stop it, too? I mean, you know.

Your wife's not listening to this podcast. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, nah, I don't regret any of that. That sounds like a ringing endorsement for a third,

Steve. I'm naming my, I'm naming my third kid, Steve, dude, now. You should. You should. I mean,

boy or girl, name or a girl. Yeah, just name is Steve. Just name is Steve. How hard is that? Like, did you have doubts

about do I want to do this? You know what I mean? I know you've always worked your ass off to get where you are, but I know, like late in my career, I was working as hard as I could, but I wish, you know, like, I knew it wasn't sustainable for me.

You can still work hard and wonder those things. Like, do you still think about, damn, like, it's a lot of time away from my family? Like, how does that, is it harder or easier than you thought it would be when you were kind of, when you were sizing it up 10 years ago? Yeah, it's just different. I mean, I understood the lifestyle just because I grew up in it and, you know, the lack of, lack of sometimes not being with my dad, but at the same time, it was just, That's what it was.

Like, I didn't know any, any different. So to me, it was normal. Obviously, to my friends, it was not normal. But to me, it was just kind of what it is. And I do feel, you know, feel like I'm missing out on some stuff when I'm here in the building. But at the same time, like, this is my job. This is what I chose to do. Like, the coaches make a choice.

Like, we choose to be in this profession. So to feel sorry for myself. I that's that's just stupid to me because I'm I'm choosing to do this um so I kind of have to come to terms with that which I have and uh you know it's just kind of kind of my life and I'll miss out on a couple things but hopefully I'm there for the big ones yeah that's the key it's like uh don't get married son or daughter during like the playoffs or something like that yeah you know like to schedule accordingly yeah exactly but I feel like it's got to be to I feel like it's got to be tough.

And like we talked about this before. Like we, we both have dads that did some shit or doing some shit. You know what I mean? Like, and I know it's annoying. Like I've seen you get asked the questions. And what people asking the questions don't realize you've been asked 57 times that week probably about,

you know, like your pops or whatever. But you've never been asked questions by another guy who gets asked questions about his dad. We just let them rip. Okay. How do you feel? Like, is it still irritating to like, like get compared or, you know, honestly, I know as a player, you know, people still compared me

to my dad even when it was unfair and like getting drafted. People are like, oh, you got drafted because of your pops, like, which is the asinine thing to say because they don't draft people based in. Every NFL player doesn't have a kid in the league. And every NFL coach doesn't have, you know, a kid who's coaching. But I know it's, it sucks because we talk more about nepotism in coaching. We talk about like, man, did that guy deserve it? That sort of thing. I'm just telling you, every guy I talked to says you deserve a coaching job. Like all the guys on the Patriots, they all fuck with you. We always loved you. Like, there are guys that aren't supposed to be there, but I always felt like you were supposed to be there. And you've also worked really hard. Do you think that

your head coach, I won't even call him dad, is like really good about, hey, you got to earn 100% everything. I do and and you know that's how he he raised me. That's you know the morals and the things that my grandpa used to talk about too is you know you got to earn what you get and you know it's also my dad's job to be the head coach and I don't think to leave me on the staff he would compromise you know having having a bad coach like I just don't think I think you probably pulled me to the side and say like listen this isn't working out for for either of us so you know, go do something else, whether it's with another team or another thing in general. So, you know, it's just kind of how I grew up doing it.

And I don't want to, I'll always be in a shadow. Like, that's just kind of the reality of life. But at the same time, like, I don't compare myself to him, just like you try not to compare yourself to your dad. There are comparisons. It's natural because he played, you played, I coach, my dad coach. but there's a lot of other coaches out there that you could compare me to right or wrong, but it's easy to compare me to my dad because he's my dad.

Well, yeah, it's like, it's so easy because it's like when somebody's like, man, you look just like your dad. I'm like, ain't that how genetics work, buddy? And then like when somebody at the press conference is like, you sound like your dad. I'm like, well, they kind of are related, you know? Yeah. And I get it. people, I catch myself doing the same thing if I see a second generation like somebody doing

something great and it's not malicious. I associate them and I'm like excited for the person and you know, I'm like, oh, that's whoever's kid. And I don't even mean anything by it. If, of anybody, I should get it. But it's natural, I think for some people do it. And you know, you and I might take it as like a slight or something because you're like, you're not giving me my fucking do. I work really hard to do what I'm doing and I'm pretty good at it. Um, But I know it's still, it's still annoying. How are the conversations? Like, I, I don't think me and my dad, like, me and my dad are best friends, right?

But I don't think we could work together. Like, what, you guys keep it totally work. Like, if you guys are having a conversation, it's just like coach to coach. Yeah, I think it's definitely like that. Yeah, this is one person's opinion as it's fun. I mean, you were here, but I don't think he treats me any different than other people around here. No, maybe worse. Yeah, I was a little bit worse.

But, you know, I appreciate that. Like, I don't want, I don't need a pat on the back all day long. I would rather get pushed to get to a higher level than where I'm on that now. But, you know, it's funny just because it came from you, probably not anybody else. But I think it was the Falcons game this year. You sent me a picture from TV of me and my dad, both looking like idiots looking up at the JumboTron. You know, you cracked. It was cute.

Yeah, you said, yeah, don't you two look cute together. Yeah. You know, it was funny coming from you just because I'm sure somebody sent you that pick at one point like you and your dad. Yeah, dude. Whatever you guys were doing. And, you know, those moments are cool. But at the same time, you know, look at it. That was cool.

And then, and then move on. Yeah. Which I guess I haven't now that I'm talking about that month later. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but no. I mean, it's, it can be a grind. Like I send you that picture and I'm like, look at this funny picture of two people I know. But you know, it's like everybody, it's everybody's first, first topic they want to talk to you about is that probably.

And it's just, it can be exhausting. Like somebody would be like, hey, how's your dad doing? I'm like, what fuck you mean? How's my dad doing? I'm great. Thanks for asking. Yeah. Hey, asshole.

Or like, uh, someone to say, Howie's kid. You're Howie's kid. I'll be like, I'm a 37 year old man that can whip your ass. Yeah, I know. And also like, you know, I know you know my dad, but, uh, you know, so I, I think it's cool. And I always say this. Like I still fuck with your dad, man. Like he, he was really cool to me, man. He was honest. He was everything, you know, they said he would be. And he's a great coach. And like, um, and honestly, this is really cool. Like I, I rarely abuse your dad's phone. But like,

if I text him, he texts me back. He's like just a, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about the guy. and for that reason I prepared a couple of questions for Bill. So I said I wouldn't pepper you questions about your dad, but I got four or five questions that I want you to ask your dad because I'm afraid to text them these questions. Can you do that for me?

Yeah. Number one, you might not want to ask him this. All right, you know how we always practice outside up there? Always. Oh, always. Yeah, it used to be, Jules, be like, it's so cold here. It's the coldest city in America, Chris. If you're not tough enough, you're not...

Okay, we practice outside all the time. Even when the ground was like ice, right? Fucking, it's like we're trying to warm up and it's like I'm hearing the ice crunching. Okay, we get it. But coach, why, why do we do that? Why do we do that, right? We do that because, hey, we're going to be playing outside. We need to practice outside.

It's going to be cold on Sunday, right? Yeah. Okay. So then answer me this, coach, coaches. Why when we're going to be to play a team in a fucking dome, do we practice outside to summer. Can't we go inside for the dome week? Because I need to get used to the 72 degree weather. You see what I'm saying? Can you ask him that? I totally understand that and I'm not going to speak for him, but his answer would be like I don't fucking care.

Yeah, but I'd be like coach respectfully. The reason you said we're right, I'm getting ready to play in the Superdome. Take me in that little bubble. Why do we even have it? For Moses and OTAs. Yeah. That's fucking good. You know I got kind of a point. You don't have to say it. He's not listening to this.

You know I kind of got a point, Steve. On that stuff? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Sometimes I feel the same way, but then... Yeah, you're not running around. I just know better not to say it to him because he'll hear... Yeah.

Yeah, but if you say it to him, say, remember the asshole Chris Long? I was on his podcast. Don't tell him that. And then ask him, why the fuck we do that? My next one would be this. This is a comment. It's like a comment box.

And to you too, and to the entire coaching staff, thank you for doing the first class thing with players. When you fly to games, head coaches, aspiring head coaches in the NFL, treat your adult players who are 6.5.3.30, like adult players who are 6.5.3.30 and give them a fucking first class seat.

Now, I understand that the Patriots have their own plane, but I was delighted once upon a time to compliment the Patriots and Bill on this practice. And the next day I got a text from Bill that said, thank you for complimenting the way we travel. And I was like, yes, that's great. So just remind him, I really appreciate that. That's the right way to do it.

Some coaches are 5, 6, they're up there in first class, and they have 12-year vets and coach. Yeah, I mean, it's the right way to do it. Honestly, I didn't think much of it because he just puts me in the back of the planner, the back of the car. Anyway, so I feel like that's where I belong. In the back seat.

So I already apologize about the double drop in New York, so please do that for me as well. Just maybe the last one. Maybe the first thing. Maybe number one, apologize first, and then bring up the indoor. There you go. And then I just want to say this,

fights are inevitable at joint practices. You guys have this rule. I can remember when we played the bears in a joint practice and Alshan who I got to play with the next year and Malcolm who we were just talking about got into it and I learned that in New England if you fight you are no longer on the field

I want to ask you two things one have you ever considered that people might fight on purpose it's really hot to get out of practice yes cross my mind yeah you guys didn't think about that one just warn him no trust me yeah could you tell him I don't discredit me like that oh I know yeah you were a player once And I just don't think

I think if you have a joint practice I think fights are inevitable coach This is you I'm talking to you I've said you know you know this You're a backer's coach Dude like you know some of the biggest assholes on the field When we see guys in different uniforms And we've been in a hotel for two weeks

And it's hot We are going to fight those people Football is a physical sport It's a prideful sport And what happens between the white lines That's up to you guys and I'll just kick you out of practice if you fuck around. If I could have done it ever again,

I would have got kicked out of practice so hard that day. Because right after that happened, I was thinking about Kyle and I were sitting there because Kyle was on the Bears. And I was like, damn, man, maybe we should just like, you think they'd believe it? And then like three plays later, he cracked my rib. I was crossing his face into the egg gap.

I beat him. And he wheeled around. just donkey punched me in the rib. So had I faked my, you know, had I faked the fight there, I wouldn't be injured. So I have some regrets. I know. Well, that's a different situation, too. I think I would have done the same thing to my brother.

I do. If I could have to practice against him. Yeah, well, you guys have to fucking work together. That's even worse. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, but if we fight, he won't kick. He'll make the stay in the office instead of kick us out of the office.

Why does Matt Patricia get to wear a pencil, coach? Man, that's who he is. We don't restrict guys around. You're right. If he wants to wear a pencil. Yes. But you've got to be careful with Matt. It's almost happened to me.

So he sharpens that pencil and puts it in his hat and after games, you know, after when you go to give him a hug, you better watch out for it. Yeah, because he'll give you. You get a piece of lead in the cheekbone. We have a pencil sharpener here. So, yeah, that's proof to me that the Patriots lie to be an individual. individual is the coach literally wears a pencil on his ear. One of the coaches.

All right. So here's a couple rapid fire questions for Steve. Coach Steve before we get him out of here and go back to molding the next Rob Ninkovich. Trust one Patriot that you have coached in any capacity or been in the building spending time with your kids. Your three kids, you got to go. You got to go to Croatia for the week to run for president. Yeah, I mean, obviously the smart choice be given to Devin.

He's a Rucker's guy. He's a smart guy. But Pat Chung has watched my kids before. I would trust Pat with, I have trusted Pat with my kids. You've trusted Patrick Chung with your kids. Fantastic father. He is a great father. He's a great friend.

But he was not high on my list. And I love Pat. And I'll tell you this, maybe you made a great point. Patrick Chung, the first guy that hung out with me when I got to New England was Patrick Chung. I believe it. He's a chameleon. He can hang out with anybody put on whatever skin he needs to put on and he's a great

person. He's a great player too. He is a great player. I love coaching Pat. Who is the most underrated patriot that you've coached or coach on the other side of him practice? Well I think Chung's underrated. Underrated player.

Important to your all success that people didn't think about any given year? I don't really kind of know what the status of certain guys are to other people, but you know, guys like Van Woe, guys like Dougger and

Adrian Phillips last year. I don't know where they stand in other people's opinion across the league, but, you know, you mentioned Steph earlier in the conversation. Honestly, I wasn't trying to bring up another Rutgers guy, but a

critical piece of that secondary was Jason McCordy. Yeah. And his, his flexibility in the secondary and, and kind of being that next corner working around other guys. So if Steph had a matchup, then, you know, Jason had to, had to do something different. You know, John Jones is one of my favorite players. Oh, he was an awesome, he was a rookie when I got there. Yeah, he was, you know, undrafted kid, earned it all. And, you know, losing him in the Dallas game last year. I think it was of a week after the Tampa game. Losing him last year was a huge blow for us. I love John Jones.

I'll go with John Jones. I just remember how much of a pro he was, like, the first day. Oh, yeah. He's all business. He does the right thing all the time. He's tough as nails. I love John Jones. If there's anything y'all love, it's Rutgers and the SEC.

I mean, that's a... Bama, I guess everybody loves it. There's a lot of good college football players out of there. Yeah, but, like, Bama is a pro pro pro, program. So like dudes have been playing pro football for a couple years and then they that's why I feel like I don't want to guess but y'all are like I don't have to worry about this kid knowing to be on time to do X, Y Z to do the extra stuff like Nick Sabin got him ready for us. Yeah I know. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's some some things that you can strongly assume. I'll say that. I don't always hold true but you could you could assume a certain thing. Yeah. We're still in a pandemic to would agree. Say you had to

quarantine and you get two guys, you got to live with these two guys for three months. You got to say you got a small lot with a pool but it's a tight pool. Like it's right on the house. You're going to be getting cozy here. It's like a 2,500 square foot house.

Two guys, let's call it a month in quarantine. Any Patriots all time. Who's it going to be? All time. Yeah, in your tenure. you know Vince would be a good one

I can't think too deep I'm just some of the names that have come up here but Vince will be great that would be very entertaining you know I spent a lot of time with Mayo and that'd be a good one Jamie we talked about Jamie Jamie Jamie would be very interesting

every day could be a little bit different we talked about Malcolm that would be entertaining dude you've left like you've left the guy who's on the pants of like great people, Patriots off. I would answer the babysitting question. And I don't have, this isn't Patriot.

This is any NFL player that I've ever played with. Yeah. One of the guys I play with in 2016, he's actually on the board of my foundation to this day, Matthew Slater. Oh, I mean, Slater, if nothing would go wrong in that house if we had Slater in there. I mean, we would be

asleep early training, eating right. reading books and shit reading books and stuff that would be oh i would come out a better person if that slater was in my house for a month you want to rescind the the babysitting i mean i know we love chung but is it chung or slater well so slade just had his fourth kid and so i wouldn't want to put that on his shoulders exactly he's too busy i wouldn't want to take him away from his four kids to give him my three he's too busy all right and then and then lastly because uh this is a pot of Who needs a podcast on the page? Not giving anybody any ideas.

So if whoever it is, whoever it is hears this, don't start one. But if there's a player right now that you think is interesting enough or uninteresting enough to have a podcast, who would it be? You know, I love to mess around with Kendrick Bourne. He's a funny guy, strong, big personality.

Great energy, always happy, go lucky. lucky, I think he would, I think he would entertain some people. And then on the boring side, because that's a good question. I want to think about that one. On the boring side. I was, that was self-deprecation, you know, because like podcasts, anybody can have a podcast nowadays, Steve. You know what I mean? Yeah, like Julian. Unbelievable. Not, not Rob, though. Not Rob. Rob. I have Rob on the podcast sometimes, Steve. And it's like, it's like you need the bumpers in the bowling alley. Like, where are we going?

Oh, no, dude. I don't know. I don't know. The Kendrick-Born thing, you could tell, it was after one of y'all's games. Maybe it was after the Dallas game. Yeah. He made a really big play, right?

Y'all made a mistake. He made a really big play. And he came in, and you know, you always show that, like, when the guys come in the locker room and Roberts's there and Bill's there. And, like, the hugs he was getting from, you know, Bill and,

he was really well liked. You could just tell Kendrick is like, as soon as he showed up, he's like that guy that everybody's like, oh, I love this guy. And also a great player relative to what I think most people expected you were going to get.

Yeah. Yeah, him, you know, we had a huge class coming, or a free agent class between the, you know, Hunter and Janu, uh,

Kendrick, uh, Jalen Mills, you know, Judon, um, he probably does have a podcast, but he would,

he would be another guy. It's a good podcast. But all those guys came in. You know, Trent came back. I don't like forgetting names, but, you know, that whole group, they came in and they really bought it. And they were great. We haven't really had a free agency class like that since I've been around here with that many

veteran guys coming in. You know, we kind of have one or two guys like you, guys like Gilmore and stuff like that. But it's never really been a huge kind of overhaul. Did Trent Brown's tattoo have, did that way into the evaluation process at all? You know the tattoo I'm talking about. I know exactly what tattoo you're talking about. And I voted for another good reason to have him.

That's a great tattoo, man. We just had a big Trent on. He's a great kid. He is great. I love Trent. I love Trent. He is a huge human being. Everybody should get, if you want a full fan experience,

the NFL should set up a thing where at the Super Bowl, if Trent's not in it for some reason, Trent, there's like a booth and you can set the edge on Trent to see what it feels like. you know what I mean to just you want to know what the NFL feels like set this edge set this edge yeah I mean and if you're a small person then he's a polar out on a corner you got to deal with that Steve man appreciate the time buddy love having you on man yeah this was fantastic I can't thank you enough I was pumped to do this and and get to talk to you yeah dude we should do this off the air more come on I would come up

and visit uh I'll bring my key card see if yeah yeah I'll I'll have bears turn that back on. My dog, bears.