Green Light with Chris Long - JSN's Record Setting Deal + Michael Bennett Interview: LOB, Beating Peyton Manning & Pete Carroll

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

A Seattle Seahawks extravaganza! Chris starts the show breaking down Jaxon Smith-Njigba's new record setting contract that makes him the highest paid wide receiver of all time. Then, former Seahawk and Super Bowl Champion Michael Bennett joins Chris and Beau from San Francisco. The fellas explore Michael's career, time in Seattle under Pete Carroll, the Legion of Boom, Marshawn Lynch, joining Chris with the Philadelphia Eagles, current NFL QBs and meeting President Obama with the Eagles. (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:09) - Jaxon Smith-Njiga's New Contract (00:06:56) - Michael Bennett talks Legion of Boom, Playing for the Eagles, and Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline presented by Zone Nicotine and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open: ‪[phone]‬ Head to https://nicokick.com/zone and use code GL20 for 20% off at checkout. Check out Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I just remember the first day I got there. Everybody's good, you know. There's no way that anybody's gonna be able to score on us. Charmed got that ball, tipped in all that guy. I feel like it was like this slow motion too. Like you're like looking behind and like the balls is in the air and I'm just thinking like Rudy, like that moment, like a Rudy moment.

Remember we met Obama? He was cool. Super cool. He gave me a daff, I think. He gave me a daft, he was like, he messed with you, man. He gave me a daft. You know that whole Obama dafts or shit? He gave me a daft.

He gave you a doubt. Man, I got to come back on. Third time's a charm, too. You're one of my third white people, too, man. JSN, he's got yacht money. Good for him. Anybody gets paid in the NFL I'm happy about. But when somebody like JSN gets paid,

good things happen to good people and good players. On today's show, I've got a real treat for you. One of the most interesting people I ever played football with, my personal friend and obviously former teammate, Michael Bennett is going to join us. Well, he already joined us. He joined us at the Super Bowl. Myself and Bo Allen sat down with Mike B for almost an hour.

Mike pulled up to hang out with us at the Airbnb. And we had a great time. And I'm just going to say this before the interview starts, after I get done with some housekeeping items here off the top, which include the analysis of the JSN Mega Deal. and the possible impending Pooka Nakua deal, which could come at some point this summer, or maybe it doesn't.

We just got right into it with Mike. So you might be like, damn, did I skip the first minute of the pod? Like, why are they talking about bullshit? Like right off the top? It's because we just, when Mike sits down, there's no like, hey, all right, we're going to start the show.

We just start BSing. And so I said, just cut it on and go. And one of the best football players I ever play with. One of my favorite players to play against and watch play, which I got to do for eight years in the NFC West, you know, not all eight years. He was in Tampa early in his career, but once he got rolling in Seattle, it was a lot of fun to watch the LOB guys. And most people know the LOB and they read that list off back to front. They read, you know, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, all those guys down through Bobby Wagner into the front.

Like, I read it front to back. you know i think about cliff averill i think about red brian i think about michael bennett i think about all those guys studs michael bennett one of the best technicians i ever played with understood the guy was um a geometrist is that a word somebody who's an expert in geometry the guy knows geometry dude it's hard to explain but he just understood angles when it comes to pass rushing a lot of its angles and he was a guy who could rush inside he could rush outside just a fantastic career and a Seattle fan favorite. So if you're a Seahawks fan,

it's a seamless transition into Seahawks News. And then we'll transition again into the Michael Bennett interview here in a second. But JSN, he's got yacht money. Good for him. Seriously, some people get paid in the NFL. Anybody gets paid in the NFL I'm happy about. But when somebody like JSCN gets paid, I'm just, you know, good things happen to good people and good players.

He is, from the outside of the NFL, looking in a consummate pro and it was funny i woke up one day and there was you know essentially a six-year deal with the two years remaining including the option on his rookie deal plus four on the back a six-year deal that averages out about 32 million a year just a huge deal right like we talk about baseball money that's that's what i used to call it baseball money i never thought we'd get money when then quarterback started getting baseball money and you're like okay that makes sense that seemed inevitable but now the the wide receivers are getting baseball money and and you know the sticker shock uh is is pretty jarring but i'm super happy that guys in the NFL are making this kind of money now

and jsns the kind of guy that if you're john schneider you just write the check because he seems to be a consummate pro, and he is a guy that hands down was probably the best player on the field for you throughout the entire 2025 season that culminated in a Super Bowl run. You know, and there's some great players on that roster. He was probably the best player. He was the offensive player of the year. He's the kind of guy that you say, and some teams would sit there and fiddle with the last couple years of his rookie deal and say, why the fuck?

would I volunteer to pay this guy? I know sometimes you got to pay a guy a year early, but a couple years early. Like, why would I volunteer to do that when the guy's making a couple million dollars? We can get this guy on his rookie deal. You know, we're never going to have him this cheap again. Why would you just write the check? Because it's the right thing to do. You do write by your best players.

And he's the kind of guy you write that check for. And you don't worry about him changing. You don't worry about his work habits to climb. You don't worry about him getting into trouble off the field. I mean, he's he's he's the consummate. Put your head down and work guy. And, you know, the irony was the news kind of came out of nowhere. Like you just woke up one morning and the guy had yacht money.

And it kind of reminds me the way he plays. It's quiet, understated. You know, you haven't heard too much from Jackson Smith and Jigba off the field. You know, he's really smart at the podium. He's not a guy that's going to, you know, create news, the kind of news you don't want. It's all good news with JSN. 24 years old on top of the world. He's basically under contract until, you know, I'm 46, 47 years old.

2002, guys born in 2002. And for Seattle, again, doing right by your players, just inking the deal. You can get out of it in 2030. I think 2030, the dead cap numbers like $19 million. When the money starts getting really unreasonable in this deal, the dead cap gets manageable. So it's really, it's a good deal for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons as good is because you went early. You beat the Rams to the punch. You know, there's a couple wide receivers.

First one that comes with mind is Pukua, you know, who's going to be up after this season. And he's in the news for all the wrong reasons right now. And George Pickens is the guy that we talk about a lot as a guy who's next up. but you get out ahead of these guys and all of a sudden you're not chasing those deals. So here it is. Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett.

All time Seahawk. All time hilarious teammate. Remember, the interview start. It's going to be kind of jarring. It's just going to be a bunch of chatter. Hang with us. Think you know college basketball? Prove it by predicting which teams

will cover the spread in the tournament for a chance to win bonus bets. How to get this offer in the, three easy steps. One, enter the March Madness matchups, $500,000, pick them free to play game. Two, pick which teams you think will cover the spread in each round of the tournament. Three, if you get the most right that round, you'll win a share of bonus bets. Please make sure to read our full terms and conditions before participating in this promotion. And if you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use Bonus Code Greenlight at sign up to receive our

welcome offer. BetMGM, make it legendary. We're just going to pick this up right here, personally. Yeah, I feel like if people would like, you know, like, if Chris was the average white American man. Yeah, people would be like, yeah, this is. All right, we're good, yeah. So you're basically electing him as our representative, Chris,

please run for office. We need to do it. You should run for office. I don't want to run for office. You should run for office. No, no, no, no. Building chairs and shit, you should run for office. No, no, no, no office.

I feel like that's too much. Too much. Too much responsibility. Talk to me about your chairs, though. No, I, so I do. like, you know, when I left the NFL, I went to design school, so a lot of stuff I do is like

furniture, but I feel like some of the stuff for the furniture is just like a smaller way to kind of do architecture, so now that I do so much different types of design where there's installation, architecture, art, and also buildings now, so it's kind of like... Dude, the buildings thing's cool. Every once in a while, I'll see like some cool

architecture on IG and I'll like, I'll hit send it to Mike Bennett, but I'll be like, what if he thinks it's stupid? It's not worthy. No, no, it's not. You got to say it's not. Great tests, man. Not a lot of people in the NFL got great tests.

I know you guys saw an NFL award. Was it bad? I like Jackson Dart. Like the way people dress. I didn't see it. You loved everything. He had some good accessories. Jackson Dart is like the Eminem of football.

He's the Eminem of football? Like, you know, right when the rap was kind of like lacking and it was like Eminem came in and like he, you know, he sold so many records. Yeah. But Eminem was a great rapper. Nobody could do say Eminem wasn't a great rapper. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he was underground.

He's not there from an Eminem. You know, skill level. Yeah. Because, like, Tom M&M came up, he was like 10 years underground rapping,

you know, and he came in, he was like, Slim Shamed. That's an interesting analogy. What I'm saying, but then he had Dr. Dre, you know.

Who's going to be Jackson Darts to Dr. Dr. Dre? Scataboo. Scataboo. Scataboo is like, I don't know what, I don't know how to put Scataboo.

Like, as a person. Yeah. You had a grill in. He had a grill in. I think he's intense. Yeah. It's like,

somebody told him he's black. Like, what? I'm not white. What are you talking about? You know, he'd just be like, what do you mean? Like, no, man, you ever see yourself in the mirror? Like, oh no, like an Atlanta video. Like one of those Atlanta.

I get that a lot too, so I hear what you're saying. He'd be like one of those Atlanta. You ever seen Atlanta? Like, where Chowder's Gambino or Donig? I actually have not watched Atlanta. Yeah, but it's like, it's something like, yeah, I feel like, if you might talk. He's a real, he's kind of a Seattle type. The way he dresses and stuff?

A hipster? Yeah, hipster? Like, you know, he's. You know, he played in Seattle a while. Yeah. White guys got good fashion out there. Espresso. Fish market chic.

Yeah. Fish market sheet. You know? So, me and Mike spent a year in Philly together, 2018. Yeah, I was jealous. That was my best. That was my, out of all the years, I hate to say this, but that was the most fun of year of football I ever had.

We had some good vibes. It was just fun, because, you know, very, once in a while, you like, it was like, I got to sit next to Chris, and it was just, like, constant, just, just, like. Good group of dudes. Just a good group of dudes just laughing, having fun. We were playing seat buddies, man. Yeah, and then, like, the team, like, the DLOM was really good. Yeah.

The DLIN was really good, but we had all our D-Bs was hurt. So it was like, yo, like, we had to play every player. Like, we had the- The fractions of time were not with us. No, it was. We beat you guys. I was in Tampa. I know.

They were firing that fucking cannon all day. I think I have tinnitus from that. That was my, I loved the city. It was just so much fun in Philly that you. I'm super fucking proud of two guys that we had. You had DB. Remember Sweaty. Swety Jay.

I see. I got sweaty. I'm so proud because Sweaty Jay's obviously got in the bag and he's been awesome. And like the injury he went through and the whole thing like good kid too. But DB, we love DB. Like he and he's had a long career. Dude, we saw DB in this summer. He was like the vet, dude.

Yeah, he was like the vet for Houston. Big beer, dude. He's got a Mr. Queen. Yeah. He's got a dog. He lives like two doors down for my brother. I fucking love that dude. So, no, he's such a good,

he was, like, one of those people that, like, he just, like, took everything in. Remember Sweaty J? Did he not want us to cut his hair? Yeah. We could, we, well, he didn't want us to, like, he didn't want to carry people's stuff and stuff. But Swedy J was a, like,

you know, Josh Sweat was a really good, like, he, like, listened to you if you tell him something. Yeah, so you were going to be easy on him. Yeah, yeah. You could cut him some slack. Like, we'd come to pass rush him, ask a question,

and do something, and he would go out there and execute it, You know what I'm saying? But it was like, hard going against that office line because you like, everybody like, you know, Kelsey didn't do one, to do one-on-one as much as everybody else. And Lane, man.

How good was Lane. Lane. I feel like Lane is like one of those guys that like, you know, like I can see him being in the WWE. Maybe that's next for Lane. That's next for him. But Lane is one of the best tackles of all times. I would agree.

I just always love watching Mike in Seattle, like, because when you're in division, you watch the guys. And so, and we were always like cool, man. like after games and shit. And I got my Mike Bennett jersey. But to be able to play together, it's like a whole different thing. Yeah. I had to drive him home every day after work.

I have a car. Dude. I was a rich as guy. Honestly, that doesn't surprise me somehow. With no car. I was like, yeah, I was like, why don't I have a car? Like, you know what I'm saying? Do you drive?

Do you have a car now? No, I just didn't have a car there. I was like, and me and Chris was the only people that lived downtown. Like, I didn't live too far from Chris. I just lived around the corner. Wow. And so. What did you think of Chris's music when he drove you?

You just got good music. I actually got introduced to some music I didn't know. And it was like, oh, it's up this. Yeah, we shared a lot of, yeah. I mean, there's an overlap on the Venn diagram in our, in our sensibilities, man. No, there's the funniest thing. Like, Chris will always, like, take videos of me doing dumb stuff. And they send it to me later.

It was like this one time. I don't know. I try to park into this parking lot. Oh, he's the fucking worst parker. Oh, he doesn't have a car. Oh, my God. He's reacting. There's some reason he had a car.

Every other day, I got to, dude, I'm sitting there watching film, like, trying to do two, like, like, another hour just to see maybe a Michael calling Uber today. Because his house is kind of out of the way, even though it was in the city. And he would just like creep up on me and be like, you're going home yet? You know, like, I'll just wait. So every day it was that. The one day he didn't do that. He rented a car and he parked it like halfway in my fucking spot, dude.

He's still finding out a way to inconvenience. No, but Chris parked so close to the driver's door that I had to go in through the passenger side. And like he's like sitting back to him and Fletcher, you know, like taking a video of me. I'm trying to walk. I'm trying to get in the car because I got to go. I'm like, yo, how am I going to get in this car? And I parked it like this fucking close, dude. And I said, Fletch, we got to go out there.

I think Mike's leaving. And we scurried behind this SUV. And we got the footage of him fucking climbing it. And when he jumped in, he went like all the way in. Like he dove head first. I had to go. I was like, yeah, I've got to go pick up my kids, man. Like, this is an inconvenience, man.

We got to find that. I got the video. I'll look it up. I got the videos. It's my files. He got Epstein files. Chris Lone files. Exactly. They're dropping soon. You sure you want to drop that? I don't want to be in those files.

They're dropping soon. What was it like, man, playing on that defense in Seattle, man? Like the standard for greatness? No, the standard was, it was like going back to what you said about being in that conference. Like, you know, you would watch the 49ers and I grew up, Justice Smith was one of my favorite players. and growing up as if, like, I think he's one of the guys that, like, when you talk about defense alignment that kind of get overlooked, but, like, you know, when he was playing with Cincinnati and, like, defense event, he had more sacks, but when he was with the 49ers,

he was just, like, disruptive, you know, like, a man's man, like, yeah, just like, so I got a chance, yeah, like, that whole D-line. And then the Cardinals had a really good defense line, too, when you talk about Clares Campbell oh, yeah, docket, and then these guys had, and then they get Aaron Donald on top of that, you know what I'm saying? Like, they got, everybody's a first round pick, you know. Dude, it was like D-line Central. N.F. Quinn.

Yeah. You had Willie Hayes. You had U.G. Sims. He was growing and it was like, well, that front seven and the- guy's a fucking connoisseur, man. I know. The defense was good.

So, like, you know, I remember one time we played against Charlotte that Monday night game and we beat you all in overtime. Yeah, I know. Well, man, y'all felt so bad for Russell because it was like, yo, it would be like, Chris wanted to play. and then Robert next play.

And then it was just like, yeah, I was actually surprised he actually got up that game. Dude, he was, he was pretty tough, man. He was pretty tough. He was locking him out because y'all was getting all, y'all was all low. He also was good at, like, when you played him, like he would give you sacks.

He would make it harder sometimes, but he would also give you sacks. And he would also drift sometimes to nine. That's true, too. Because he couldn't, you know, like the vision went, he was big play hunting. So we had, like, you know, a couple three pieces. Y'allie, boy, y'all's, so that.

So, like, so we had so many great defenses watching. You know, from top to bottom, you know, every defense was somebody that had a good team. But they didn't have fucking names like Legion of Boom and all that. Yeah, exactly. Well, Leading there was the Legion of Doom. You've made it, you know? Like, uh-huh. That's true.

The L-O-B was crazy because when I first got there, like, I was in Tampa, we had a, we really had a really good team in Tampa, but we, like, you know, like, Rahim-Morz built, like, a really core of good players. Like, I first got there, like, Bear Rue was there. I played with Ronde Barber, you know. Bear Rue was one of the smartest line players I've ever played with outside of Sean Lee. I stood there's probably the most top, the smartest player I played with. He was pretty awesome, man. And he was a good guy too. And, uh, but I got, so I had to play with Gerald McCoy, Claybourne.

Like, we were a stack de factois. Playborn, dude. Yeah, yeah. Claybourne had five sacks in a game. I think it was six. Six. Yeah. Yeah.

So, like, we had. You know, one of his arms is shorter than the other. I played with him. I know. I just wanted to fuck me up on one time. I was at Wisconsin. Before I said that, you probably know if it's true or not. Yeah, it's true.

Okay, it's got to be the inside. No, he was good at it. He had a crazy bull rush. That's what I'm saying. So I came from like a really good defensive line and kind of okay defense. And like we, you know, Tampa 2, rest of passer, do all this kind of stuff. But then I got to Seattle, I just remember the first day I got there. I was like, yo, this is everybody's good here.

Like, this is like, when I first got to the first practice, I was like, there's no way that we, there's no way that anybody's going to be able to score on us. Like I was just thinking, I was like, like, I haven't seen anybody catch the ball on Richard Sherman, like, not one time. You know what I'm saying? Like, Earl Thomas is intercepting everything. Nobody wants to get hit by Cam Chancer. Defense line was so fast.

Then they, then they was like, Michael, you just play inside. And I was like, whoa, you got Cliff, Chris Clemens, Bruce Irvin. Clemens was a beast. Yeah, Clemens was a beast. And he had tore his knees. But before that, like, he was. Super underrated. Super underrated guy.

I learned a lot from Clem, just like, being able to do sports. Spin moves, his long arm was crazy. Yeah. So, like, you know, I got there. I was like, yo, this is a crazy fast team. And, like, I think what made us really a special defense was that we loved the game. We all were, like, intellectually into football. Like, we talked the game, like, you know, like, oh, they're going to do this.

Even in games, you'll be like, you know, like, sometimes we're supposed to be in a six or we'd be talking, I'd be telling Cam, we'd be watching filming him. We can't be like, yo, when they do this front, there's jumping a nine. I don't care what you're supposed to do. So it's like, that's how it was. We trusted each other. We trusted each other. And we never, we didn't have a lot of plays either.

So it was like, it really was like dog on dog. And like, we just was like, like, beat the man in front of you. And, you know, stand in your gap and do your job, you know? So it was like, that was the first time I've been on that was just like super stacked, you know, like, you know, Me-Bain was crazy. Good. Right. Brian was crazy.

Dude, I was waiting for you to say his name because that was like the biggest, most like enforcer looking dude. Oh, yeah, man. He taught me so much about football. Like, I feel like my game kind of jumped up levels. So the first person that I kind of ran into to help my game jump up was Albert Hainsworth. Like when I was in, when I was first, it was with the tap up towards the end. Like, I remember, man, he had a Rose Royce, man. You know his little bumper things in the drive, like the little stoppers from where the parking stalls.

It was so much traffic. That's when the Rose Royce ghost had came out and, like, I guess he didn't want to wait. You know what I said? Like, he was impatient. And he just ran over the things. I was like, yo, you're going to do it, Rose Royce like that, you know what I'm saying? Wow. And so, but what?

Yeah. To get away? No, because we're not... To get where he needed to go? You know, because at the end of the game, we come back for the playing. And there's always the crazy traffic. Yeah. So he just boom, boom, boom, and then left.

I was like... Four-wheel drive. That's crazy, dude. But Hainesworth was like, he was really good. He was like the first guy that really kind of like, yo, you got crazy skill. Like, this is what you need to do. And Keith Malar was my coach.

But I feel like me, Bain, like, he like, helped me even more intellectually in the game, understanding plays because I feel like there was somebody. And then, you know, I got a chance. I was playing with Red in college, too, so coming there with him again was always great. Cliff was really good. So the defense was just stacked, you know. The thing that made our team really good is that when we came off the bench, we still had players, you know what I'm saying? So a lot of teams only got their stars, but then we were constantly had the ability to roll in.

But I think we just always had this, like, idea of, like, choosing violence first, being relentless and just being like, yo, anybody that catch the ball, like, they're getting it, you know. How nice was it playing with that noise? Oh, that noise was great. It was great. It was one of the best days because you had that get off. It was something like y'all had the same thing when y'all was in the dome. Mini version.

But it was still loud in St. Louis. I got to say, if they compared the decibels of those two places. Yeah, I didn't like that place. That place was loud. Who St. Louis? For a hiccup. Yeah, when y'all was running, y'all had the Sack City. It was crazy.

That was a crazy nickname for a D-Line. Y'all had crazy sacks. We did. We had a few. Yeah, like, Dizzy, everybody got double digits. Like, it was going on. Backup got six sacks, you know? So, like, no, so that was, like, crazy, like, watching, like,

so just being in that defense was crazy to, like, be, come from Tampa and then come to another level where it's, like, when I walked in there, I kind of knew, like, this is a special. I didn't realize it would be number one in every category, but, like, I knew that we'd be great, you know. Would you compare them, like, comparisons are kind of tough, but, like, how would you compare them to this defense? You think it's far and away, L-O-B?

I think it's different, right? I think there are some things that they do completely different than what we did. I think our team was like, you know, I feel like their team, they have, like, so many special players. I think, like, Leonard Williams, to me, is one of the best defensive in the NFL. I think he's kind of underrated. I was super happy that he made all pro. Last year, he should have made all pro. You know, they have, you know, Byron Murphy, Jerry Reed, DeMarcus Lawrence.

So they have a really good defense overall. But I think, like, we just had, like, one of those, like, sort of. Rare, rare, you know what I'm saying? Like to be like what we were doing. Like, I mean, we went to the Super Bowl, like, stuff for it to compare you. It's hard, you know. That's it. I mean, I've heard some people making comparisons and, you know, I think y'all's,

y'all just to your point, like everybody was elite. Yeah. Like, so there's no, like. There's no drop off on any position. Yeah, it's tough. I don't even remember who played backer for y'all. Bobby Wagner. I mean, besides Bobby Wagner, who would.

K.J. Wright. KJ Wright. Yeah. KJ. Wright was a dog. Exactly. So that's the point. Like you go like down the line. Like everybody's at least like a fringe pro bowl player.

Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. I think even Worry would have been sick. Even Worry was the one guy. Imagine him on Legion. That I'm like, bro. Like he kind of.

He was crazy good. It's crazy because I feel like the same thing happened to us when we play against the Patriots. Like Kim got hurt at practice. Yeah. And I like, I feel like that was one of the things that kind of like. And how did they carry that?

Did they try to keep that? Well, I don't want to ask you that because I might put the Seahawks in No, no, I don't feel like, I feel like we, it was public, it was he doubtful. I think he was doubtful. I think, I was surprised that he was out there because the way he was walking and he was playing, but it was like, you never know. I feel like, I feel like you would, I feel like a guy would have to be so hurt.

Yeah, it's kind of like, exactly. You're going to be like, you know, everything you can. You go do everything you can, you know. I would. Yeah. Do you remember, do you remember knowing going into the Denver Super Bowl that you were going to kick the living shit out of them? I knew we was going to win when we went to the Giants,

we went to the Giants defensive locker room because we saw, like, the standard of what they thought was great. And, like, in our mind, we were like, yo, somebody got 250 yards passing, like, we would all be sick, you know what I'm saying? Like, we'll be like, yo, we suck, like, you know? Like, they got 20 points, like, whoa, we're trash, you know what I'm saying?

Like, so, like, and I think we just, like, we're paying men, and it was, like, so many keys in the game that we all kind of picked up on. Yeah. And we was like, yo, they can't really throw the ball. all super deep on us so like the pastoral is going to be crazy every we just everybody's coming and running off the ball like you know like so the time i look back i'm like yo we were getting off the rock you know what i'm saying like yeah like especially in a cold weather game right yeah so

and then it just so happened that god loved us so much you didn't make it snow you know what i'm saying that's crazy it was like it was such a bad weather there a whole week i know it was awful well we did the minneapolis super bowl year before you came to philly and it was you couldn't even go outside I loved it. You couldn't even go out. Where was your favorite? It's better for the team, though. What?

To stay inside? You stay out of trouble. Yeah, I guess you stay out of trouble, but everybody was sick. Because we were all just like, you know, like in a confined space. Yeah. And we had to stay in the Mall of America. Go eat at Benihana's every night. I didn't get that name.

Oh, Benny Hannas. Drake doesn't like Benihonnas. He got a whole song about that. Really? Dissed Benihanas? He dissed Benihana. Why? Just the whole thing, like, you know, don't go to Benny Hollis for your birthday.

Do you not like Stir Fry? It's about you. I don't really like, I'm not really, I'm a, I'm a Kasi guy, you know, like, I don't really, I don't see myself, like, so. My kids, like, they like the habachi, the people throw an egg in the air and stuff. It just always looks not clean sometimes.

Presented by Zone, warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical underage sales prohibited. Y'all know I'm a bit more selective with my nicotine pouches these days, so for me, the quality of the pouch is what I prioritize, which is why I'll pop in a zone when. green. One six milligram is all I need. Every few days, whether I'm kicking back and watching ball floating the river with the crew or breaking down film ahead of a show, Zone easily gets me locked in with its smooth feel and a variety of flavor. Zone is always on our game day roster. Whether you

like a fresh mint flavor or you're in a citrus flavor, check out their roster of options and use promo code GL20 at nicokeek.com slash zone for 20% off at checkout. I feel like Marchand is one of those people that I'm still trying to figure out what kind of dirty has on people because I'm like, yo. The Marchion file. Yeah, like, Marsha, like, he's in everything. He's like, I'm like, he's in a Game of Thrones commercial? Like, yeah. Dude, good for him.

That guy ran hard. No, he deserved it. He deserves it. Yeah. I mean, this is a lot easier money than doing what he was doing. The other guy, it was like, it was like, I feel like it hasn't had a guy like this since OJ, like, you know. Running that hard? No, like, this kind of media.

Got in the media? Commercial. OJ. You know, OJ, before he did the thing, I supposedly did the thing. I'm not sure if he did, whatever that thing is that he did. They say, I mean, he said, I mean, I don't know exactly what happened. I'm just. He wasn't there.

Mike wasn't there at that time. But I'm saying, but like OJ used to be in everything. Commercials, movies. Yeah, he was in Hertz commercials. Everything. He was a naked gun. He was just like a him and Jim Brown. They were like in everything.

every kind of like media commercials. Yeah. So like I feel like Marcian's kind of that. I haven't seen a guy like just kind of had this besides Shaq, maybe. Besides Shaq. Is that the all time most like we, oh shit, we can't run our commercials anymore? Hertz is like, fuck, dude. We had two more years in this contract.

We can't even run these commercials now. No, we can't even. Yeah, that was crazy. Give me a couple of these playoff memories that are burned into my mind. Okay, the one was, um, Were you there yet? No, you weren't there yet for Beastquake. No, I wasn't there yet.

Yeah, but the second one was you ride in a bicycle after the football game. Can you describe what transpired before you riding that bicycle? Because it's one of the most all-time, ridiculous football endings. I used to think the Seahawks had a horseshoe up there as, like, the things that would have that. Oh, man, that was a crazy, I just remember that game. I was going on. And that's what Aaron Rogers was on fire, and that defense was crazy. Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers.

Yeah. Yeah, that was sick. That was sick. The peppers. Charles Woodson. Isn't that even BJ Raji had that pick too? B.J. Roger was a beast.

Yeah. AJ Hawk, too, yeah. Just naming Packers. Damn. You think that- Shaman Williams? He could play the game. Yeah, it'd be incredible.

The grids, we gotta play a game after this, yeah. What? That defense was crazy. Offensively stat, Eddie Lacey was running hard too. So, like, we got to that game. I was like, y'all, Eddie Lacey, like, that's one of people like, you know, like, Like, you got a, you got it.

Hardest chip I ever took. Yeah. Harshal Lynch fuck me up on you're so bad. And unless he wasn't in shape either, he was like, kind of looked like, you know, like, you know. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Yeah, like, I don't know explain his body type, but it's like definitely not a body type. You will like, you know, you like.

Service. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. You look like high school line back. Like moves furniture from him. Yeah, yeah. Like maybe Walmart greeter or something. No, no.

But no. No, but it was kind of crazy because Russell threw, you know, what, four interceptions? It could be an Eddie Lacey and Eddie Wall. He threw so many interceptions that game, bro. It was like, yo, like, we're holding on to barely holding on right now because we've got to, they're getting the ball in the most, the best spots, the 20, 30, like, you know, they're not having to drive all the way up the field. And so it's like, and I think we played them the first game, too, of the season that year. and it's always like we played them and I'm like yo like this is crazy like how are we going to are we going to be able to just come back from this I like you know we're going to keep stopping them

I remember Sherm got the interception you know and then we had that curse had that beautiful catch then we had the on-side kick and it was like everything was working it's like everything was you know like yo we like we got some magic dust on the hair that's momentum dude some people deny the existence That's momentum. And then we had to have the hardest stop. And I remember it was a four minute drill. And I was like, yo, they better to run to my side. And they ran it three times.

We had three TFOs in a row. That's awesome. So that really- You have one of them? You had two of them. It was me. Yeah. He could get back there fast.

Oh, I know. He knew the straightest, the shortest distance. Straight line, yeah. Yeah. So then we got there. And then we went to overtime and then it's like, you know, then we got to walk up for you. So it's like you never know how those things kind of happen, right?

So I was like, I felt like that was one of the most crucial moments. And then like, so I'm like, yo, at this time, I should try to ride a bike. Most times, black people wouldn't have this opportunity, right? Police relations is down in America at the moment. And I'm thinking maybe I could bridge the gap, you know? So I just take the bike and I start to ride around the team. And it's so funny, there's like this little meme or this kid.

And he's like, and the Packers lost. and he has a bike, mommy. That is funny as fuck because they ride those bikes. That's what they're known for. Like B, dude. That's crazy. That's when it's burned into my brain.

You weren't there for the replacement refths, were you? No, I wasn't there with the replacement. Yeah, that was the other one where it was like, man, y'all just are lucky as hell. Well, the 49ers game was a good game. I felt like that was kind of one of those games where, you know, Kaepernick never was the quarterback that he never really had a lot of passing yards. No.

Caproner could run. run though like man like not fun playing cap no cappernick could run the ball man i remember been in nfc championship like he couldn't get a pass off like we were every time he dropped back we'd get back there right it's like then it was like then he would run for 50 yards 40 yards i think he had like a hundred something yards against us like 120 30 yards and like he threw a couple good passes but like we that was one of the most crucial games because it came down to the last minute and it was like you know i remember like you know charm got that ball and tipped I feel like it was like a slow motion too.

Like you're like looking behind and like the bras is in the air and I'm just thinking like Rudy, Rudy, like it felt like that moment, like a Rudy moment. The guy that produced Rudy was here today. He was, you did. Yeah. Remember? The guy outside, you didn't know that.

We were talking to the guy that produced Rudy. Really? Yeah, am I tripping? You guys weren't down there. He was fucking here. So, but that was one of, that was like one of the best play-up games that we played. played also too the bearers game we played against it double do you like that was crazy do you remember the plane ride back yeah it was that's when the smoke alarm went on oh yeah yeah yeah i don't know who did that

but that was crazy yeah i wonder who did it i got a i got a inclination but yeah dude i saw one of the flight attendants back there she must have been yeah evicted to vape but that was a crazy game though because it was like their defense is crazy too yeah man they had calil matt The defensive tackle was his name? Yeah, King Hicks. It came Hicks. And it was so loud there. It was so loud.

And it was a rock fight, dude. Remember that last drive? We were like, bro, there's no fucking way. They're driving the ball down. There's no way Mitch is doing this. And we ran a game or something, and we leveled him. And he threw the ball like 30 yards downfield into fucking field goal range. I'm like, we're about to lose to Mitch Trubisky on the last drive of the game.

Yeah, we're in a beautiful game too. No, we were playing great. It was like they got half their yards The last fucking drive, dude That was one of those games too And then the next game I shall have dropped that pass I know

But that's tough man I know But I kind of like I feel like we'd have beat the Rams too Because we beat them Pretty bad when we went down We also lost that game When we gave up some stupid shit

Like Because I watched that recently Yeah I went back and watched it And it was painful Yeah Because we were kicking their ass Yeah

I'm not gonna do The we deserve to win thing Because we lost the game But that's why I say I feel like if we went to the Rams. I think we'd have had a shot. We beat the Rams over. I know, but I just don't like doing the thing where I said, hey, you know, we would have beat them because the Saints did that to us the year before.

Minneapolis miracle happened. That's true, too. And then they were popping off talking about, oh, we would have kicked their us. We'd have beat the, didn't beat the fucking Vikings. That's true, too. So it's a pet peeve. Yeah, I remember, too, I had that play against it. I felt bad for Max Unger.

I apologize for that play. What you do? It was like they needed the play to kick the field good. I was like, it was like, you know, I fletched sometimes. he always want to make sure he's in a three technique. I was like, well, I'm gonna in the nose right now, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, how did I end up with the nose?

I'm like 270 pounds, like, why? But I got off the ball so fast and I made that TFL against Kamara in the background and they had to kick a field go. Yeah. And that's when we got the ball back or whatever. But I remember, like, one of the reporters were trying to talk to me, like,

I don't want to talk to you, man. Like, we just lost. But that was one of the roughest seasons because it was like, and then remember the Cowboys? We started four and six, and it was just so hard to get back. Yeah. And we ended up being good.

Yeah, we did. We ended up being pretty good. We got that magic. Foles came in. Yeah, Foles came in. And they were running those fucking RPO's. Man, but Carson Wiss, man, I feel like, man, I feel like he just lost his confidence, man. He definitely did.

I feel like he had this skill to be like Josh Allen, like as far as like arm talent and stuff. Like he was moving the ball really well. But I think like, I feel like when Philly just got into, I feel like coming from that small town he came from him. And like Philly got into his head. And I think it just, it just, he never came back from it. He never believed in this stuff again. Well, if you think about it and this is like, hey, I really like Carson.

And I've said that a million times. I'm not going to say I have a lot of respect for him because you guys made a fucking low light of me qualifying everything I say. But I respect Carson. He got hurt. The backup wins you a Super Bowl. They build the backup a statue

outside the stadium. Yeah. Like what movie that goes that way ends with the fucking starter ever getting his group back? But Carson once had an outstanding season before. They were talking about MVP. He was an MVP candidate.

So I can't take anything away from what he was. But he was mechanical when I was for surgical when I was just like being able to just He also fucking tore his ACL and finished the like the drive dude And scrambled for a touchdown. But I think he just never recovered from that. No question. No question. Some people don't recover from injuries like they just don't come back the same.

Dude, it's hard and it depends on the injury. Yeah. You know and in 18 he was hurt halfway through the season. His back was all fucked up. Yeah. But when we got full, going we got our confidence back. Yeah, Foz, Foz was special though.

Like, I feel like he's one of those guys that's always had, like. He's a good person. He's a good person. Like, he's just, like, you're like, ah, you can't hate, you can't, you don't hate him. Yeah. Like, you like, you like, you like, you like, you like, you don't give you to Russell Wilson, you know, like.

I wouldn't know, I didn't play with Russ. I did. I'm gonna check the calendar. Like, I'm right here, we're having the conversation now. Like, you know, I got to check the calendar, you know? Like, I get it, I respect it. You gotta check the calendar. time you know I don't even have a fucking calendar so tell me what Pete Carroll is

gonna do is the last thing I want to ask you about was Pete Carroll he's not coaching anymore right let's gets let go or resigns was a resignation or a fire I think you get to a certain level when you white they don't fire you they just let you walk you're like is that tenure yeah you like you just like yeah that's incredible dude we don't want anybody else kind of like you know like you can do it yourself yeah you can do it yourself Pete yeah you can just do it yourself yeah You've earned that?

Yeah, yeah, you just want to... They have a secret handshake on the way out. Yeah. Yeah. You're still gonna get your money. Yeah. Well, yeah. So let's...

You want that one lump sum or how would you like it? It's just like, what do you want it? Yeah, you're gonna... I don't know, I feel like Pete, like those old coaches. I feel like the NFL is like having this, like... It's like the movies, right? It's like... You know, like...

Lennard de Capra was clearly the best actor this year, right? But it's like, it's, they want the young people now, you know, Timothy, Shalameen, all these other, you know. You're like Dune 2? June 2 was good. Yeah, it was really good. I'm saying, but they only want the new, they want the new faces, you know? I feel like the NFL is kind of the same thing.

Like, you know, you might see it coach. The next head coach might be 23. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, now, yeah, yeah. It's moving towards, like, new football. Do you think you could answer to a coach just like seven years younger? I don't know, man. But I feel like some of these young coaches, they just don't do the same, like, you know,

remember, like, going on fourth down? Like that was like something like you would only do in Madden. Like you'd be like, you hate playing to get somebody in Madden. And like maybe fourth to ten. They're like, I'm going for it. You're like, yo, but that's not what you're supposed to do. That sucks, too. But now it's like in NFL, that's a normal thing that the young coaches are like doing now.

They don't, what's the point? Like, we'll just live the die, you know. Two-point conversion. Yeah, it's like they go for two points. They don't play into the rules the same way. So I feel like the NFL is just kind of moving like just moving to a whole other direction. Like the guys like Bill Belichick and all those old guys. Like you want, I feel like you're going to see a lot more younger coaches.

It's like, as you've seen those last go-around, right? Like, guys, been waiting to try to get head coaching jobs the whole time. It's like, you know, people are coming from old season going right into the job. It's like, they're, they're, this is a young man's game. And I think the younger coaches understand the younger players. I think the old coaches can't, they don't get young people no more. They don't understand. You got kids, sometimes you're like, yo, like, I don't understand why you would do that.

You know what I said? Not at all. Not at all, yeah. Like, that doesn't make sense. Also don't understand, like, whatever your trend is that, like, is cool at school. Like, I think it's lame. Like the 6-7 thing or something. Like, I've just aged out.

Yeah, and you're kidding. This thing's cool, though. I don't know what, yeah, I do like that, actually. But what's Pete going to do day to day? Oh, Pete, I mean. Like, what, can you see him sitting still and not coaching football? I feel like Pete loves football. Well, I know about Pete, he loves football.

He loves the process of football. He loved the game of. He, like, preparing. He like having teammates getting the games together. He like, he liked the psychological part of bringing people together to accomplish a common goal. I think Pete is a great coach. I think it's just at the time like you know when you take you some of these jobs he

bet on Gino Smith and like Gino just had a horrible year right like there was so many memes of Gino Smith that like I think I've never seen I think he lost his I've never seen a bunch of memes with a next to a person being a trash can like like if you go like go no look it up I'm not lying to you look it up like there's so trash can memes like there's so many trash can memes of Gino Smith like people people I don't know it's crazy it's like a whole industry yeah like people were mad at Gino I feel like Nate. Nate'll know.

Yeah. But I also feel like, I also feel like the officer coordinator. I feel like he just never, like, I feel like his office just never worked in the NFL. Like, he just never worked when he was in Philly. Chip. Chip. It's just, I don't know what it is. I'm trying to think, well, there was the Nick Folge year, but like that was it.

Yeah. And yeah, when you have former players that talk about you that way, which kind of sucks to, because I've heard people that like like Chip, but like all it takes a couple guys to be like, bro, he's the fucking worse. Yeah. Especially if you're good players. Especially like the shot McCoy. Yeah. It's like it's hard to come back from that.

Yeah, I like Chip. You like Chip. You like Chip. See? Yeah. I was a fucking seventh round rookie. Like, I don't, you know. I know a lot of people that like him to be fair to him.

But the off, the offenses haven't worked at the pro level. Yeah, it's not about being disliked. It's just about the program that he's running out. I think it just hasn't been successful. It did not work. Yeah, like, you know, so it's like with the Raiders is like, you know, the whole thing where even like, Gentie, like this whole thing about him changing his stand. So I'm like, this guy,

The nation in Russian, like, let's not do anything. Let's not, yeah, let's not, yeah, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, man. Yeah, it's like, and I think that's something that usually Pete usually doesn't do, right? Pete doesn't, like, usually goes around, like, finds a way to make what you do good, you know what I'm saying? That's what makes him, like, really good coach. It's like, well, you, yeah, move him to the left because he's the best at the left. Why are we putting him on the right? You know what I'm saying?

Like, simple stuff like that, some coaches. But simple stuff like that affects people's careers. Yeah. Yeah. It does. It makes you better or worse. Yeah. And, like, can ultimately decide, like, how your contract goes.

Yeah. You know, so, I mean, a good coach is not just going to win your game. It's going to be good for your career. He's developing you. I think Pete has a good chance to develop it. I think it's always hard with one year. But, like, when you put a year like that out, it's hard. But I feel like they haven't been good for years to the Raiders.

No. Clint Kubiak probably is going to be the head coach. Yeah, I think that's probably the best thing for them. And it's probably, like, you know, getting the players to run that system. And I mean, everybody that's pretty much a really good office is coming from that system of Mike Shanahanhan. Really, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So it's like it's coming from that coaching tree.

Like, you know, like, you know, his daddy ran out. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like, you know, it's like, so there's this offense that's worked when you have the right players. You know, you look back at the Texans with Aaron Foster, everybody that they had with the office of line. And then just thinking about the success of different running backs. And then, you know, Mike McDonnell being able to, um, um, um, um, you know, have two backs and like bring that back in. You see teams that are doing two backs now.

Chicago Bears, they're a really good offensive. A ton of two back sets with, with tight end types and, and move guys too. So it's harder to identify what's going on, obviously. And the Lions is like,

that's kind of like, you know, being able to find players that could do multiple things. I think that's what the NFL is kind of changing in too, right? It's like, it's a different breed of people

doing the game now. And I think it's like maybe at some point, you know, ages and paid a role until what they probably see Pete doing. And I think Pete still is a good coach. I always thought that maybe Pete should go into like... Consulting.

President, you know, like more running the organization than like the day-to-day. The culture guy. He definitely understands culture. Pete was a great coach. This is one of my favorite coaches I ever had of all time, I think. So I don't know. I feel like with Pete, I'm not sure if he... I feel the same way about Belichick, right?

It's like, you know, the type of power that Belichick want would another team give it to him, you know? And then it's like, you know. But they gave it to Harborough. you know what I'm saying like they gave it to Harborough like he gets the last say I mean any I mean any guy that traded Seyquan Secawn Barclay should not have the last say anyway he should we should take everything away from him like any choices they were going to ruin that man's career just by having him on the team yeah that's the one side of it that I see that I'm like I know that's not the motivation they were like we don't need him but like ultimately for Sequan that worked out

worked out fucking great but then Daniel Jones too like if like they didn't get him enough weapons around it, but he had that one good year, like, you know, but then it was like, you know. The gentleman's won a playoff game. Yeah. And probably would have this year. Yeah, he was having one of those years. Yeah. He was reinvented himself.

I'm just telling people, creatine has changed the game for me. Cognition is a big part of it, too. It's not just like, hey, you know, getting jacked or that sort of thing. We're all jacked. You're jacked, bro. Thank you. I appreciate it. Say it back.

But I'm jacked. You're jacked as well. Oh, there it is next. He said I'm jacked. He is jacked. Yeah. He is more jack than almost anybody here. The guy lifts the most.

But creatine, he looks like he's on a lot of creatine. A lot. You know, do you take creatine? How many grams do you take? I take seven. I take seven grams a day. And they're good for your brain. I talked about the cognition, really important.

Benefits for recovery strength. Cognition, staying active as you get older. I think everybody should try creatine. and you know I'm not a doctor but you don't need to be one to be slang in creatine you got a doctor um you know why did I stop when I start taking it I really do honestly have a hard time keeping my weight on I've always had a hard time keeping my weight on I just run I run like a machine that's like a ton of RPM so I'm like always burning calories and shit creatine helps me keep my muscle mass on which helps me stay in the gym stay strong into my 40s which is a whole you guys will see it

fucking sucks. But creatine helps me there. And like even in the afternoon when I got some rain fog or whatever, I might take some creatine, like half my dose. You know, and I really do feel clear-headed after I take it. I have introduced people to creatine. Yeah, I've introduced, I try to get my wife to start taking creatine. She's taking some creatine. Healthy brain, cognitive benefits that get older and the muscle maintenance that, honestly, I wish I took creatine when I played. I did not because I was always worried about pulling muscles that. I was, That's kind of like what people talk about. But you got to take a lot of it to really have tighter muscles.

So, yeah, I mean, like, listen, I'm a washed up NFL player now. And it's kind of the key to me staying in shape enough so people aren't like, what the fuck happened to you? Create gummies, man. Check them out. They really do help. That's why I'm happy for Darnold. Oh, yeah, Darnold deserves it.

I think he's a really good, a really good guy. Like, he's kind of reminds him of Baker Mayfield where it kind of like, you know, went through it and then come back on the backside of being finding somebody who understands his, like you said, a coach that understands your playing style, right? I remember, you probably remember a coach that really influenced you. Like, Keith Millar for me was a coach that, like, really pushed me early in my career to become a better defense alignment. Then Dan Quinn even pushed it to a whole other level.

So, like, I'm sure you've had people in your career that, like, you're like, man, I can't pass freshman. It's like, you know, then the dude's like, yeah, you just do this and this. And you're like, why didn't everybody else just say that? You know what I'm saying? Like, they tell me I got to run into this guy and get a, you know what I'm saying? And you got a guy that knows how to play to your strengths, you know? And like, that's the best kind of team, you know.

And then you find teammates around it, you know, you start to learn how they play and it just makes you better. Like you're like, oh, yeah, Chris is going to do this. So at this level, I should go in. You know what I'm saying? So you start finding ways. Yeah, it took us like half a year, like to figure each other out. But once you do, if we'd have been together for a couple years, it's like.

Oh, we've been together for a couple years. It would have been like. Might have kept playing. Yeah. Like, oh, even like early on, like, yo, we've been like early on, like jumping into a game with somebody like Chris that has the kind of power and speed that he had and the ability to do a long. and then kind of come off on the inside.

There have been a lot of opportunities for naturals, you know. I remember even working with Fletch, I was like, playing next to Fletch is pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah. I remember even like playing next to Fletch, dude. Yeah, I remember like coming in with Fletch and then just like, you know, even coaching them up on some stuff and being like, yo, you should do this. And then like, like, just seeing how like, you know, like, I was like, man,

if I played a Fetch for a couple years too, like you could have been crazy. Like we were two interior guys that, you know, like. That's like prime real estate. Yeah. When I was drafted. Fletch played only on the left side. I was a fucking seven-round pick. I was like, all right, I'm playing on the fucking right.

Hell yeah, dude. You're getting singles, baby. Yeah. Singles. I'm like, jeez. Fletcher was a really good pass rush year. I think the best interior pass pressure I probably say that I play with is probably, I'll say, I say, Jerry McCoy.

Yeah, McCoy's, I mean, they might, he might be up for the hall of it. That's what you. Yeah. Then they released the new, the batch for next year that are eligible, and he's, his name was on that list. definitely get there. I think about the thing about the hall, though, you got to be on one team for a long period of time. That really kind of,

because that's what the Pro Bowls come in. Like the, you know, only Daryl Revis is really the first mercenary, you know what I'm saying? He was basically a mercenary in the NFL. You're right about that. He's the only person that you're like, yo, it's like, yeah, Revis is getting 19 million years. He's only here for one year. He's got to win. He played it right.

Didn't get the Kirk Cousins bags. No, Kirk Cousins is the biggest. All-time business team, man. And Kirk Cousins was an interest in, like, I mean, I feel like he, Kurtz always played good games. Yeah, dude. He's a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback. But just not like, he's like, Dak Prescott to me, like, where it's like, you know,

Dak is a really good. That's going to offend some people. What? Cowboys fans. I don't think Mike's afraid of offending me. No, I know. But most people would say, like, I'm more like breaking the fourth wall here. It's like, you know, I'm just said. Some Cowboys fans are like, what the fuck did you just, we've had Kirk Cousins at quarterback?

Well, I'm saying, but if you had Kirk Couss and Dak Prescott, you kind of getting the same. No, they're both, they both put up big numbers. But who's, but if you looked at it, who, you know, you have a stat team. I'm sure Kirk Cousin has more wins in the playoffs than Dac Prescott. Kirk has at least one. I don't think DEC has any, huh? Two and five.

Ooh, two and five. Put some respect on Dac Prescott. Two and five, though. When is two and five good at anything? No, you're right. And it's in the NFC, you know, which is not as, those guys in the air. And Dach doesn't have any excuses because Jerry don't give him everything. At one point of time,

Nobody, the Cowboys had the best offices of line outside the Eagles. They've had a really good setup. What's me? Running back, Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, it was a real. Des Bryant. Like, this is like. Really good setup.

Yeah, like not to be able to win those with that team. Most underrated quarterback. Most underrated quarterback? Who? In the NFL? Like, our general, just trying to think about. What that you played with? I feel like the most underrated quarterback was Chase Keenham.

I feel like Case Keenum or whatever. Dude, Case Keenham was pretty good, yeah. I played with fucking Case Keenham in St. Louis, but he played us in the NFC championship. I'm sorry, but he kind of one of those guys that kind of like... That's a good one. I'm just saying because I feel like he's one of those guys that like, like, they always want to get rid of him, but not for a good reason. It's like, you know, like, it's like, he's a good wife, but it's like, yo, but... It's like, some people, you know, like, but it's like, nobody wants to like...

He's like, why do you want a divorce? Like, he does everything. Like, he does everything. He does everything. He does it. Case Keenan was, like, pretty good. Like, he wasn't. Good all around.

He keeps getting divorced. He keeps getting divorced and nobody knows why. It's like, yo, I feel like he was a good. I feel like he was like one of them. Is he Jennifer Aniston? Yeah. Maybe Kim Kardashian. Okay.

Yeah. That's crazy. No, but I'm saying, but like at the, in the day, I feel like, you know, there's like, guys. Sometimes they just don't like, like, like, Sam Bradford for like, he didn't get that. Like, he was like pretty much like. Yeah. Yeah, injuries, in my opinion. But I feel like, but you, you know, yeah, injuries.

He had an arm, though. He had a really good arm. And when he played well, he played really well, but he kept fucking dude. I remember it was like not again. It was like he kept, and the O line was shitty. Like when y'all played us, admit it. When you were in like Tampa, did you ever play us? Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying, dude.

But wait, what's all dinner? Sam Bradford, you know? That sounds good to me. I take three. Three San Bradford's? Yeah. No sauce, please. No sauce.

Coming right up. Yeah. Serving, I was like, serve it up. It was always hard, though, because I feel like he never had. But then, like, Stephen Jackson was such a beast that it was like, I always felt bad for him because it was like you. Dude, Stephen Jackson would be like 1.7x famous and probably be celebrated at a hall of fame level. Yeah. If he played on a big market or a good team.

He was really good. He was a really good one. Because he did all that with, like, loaded boxes and subpar O-Line play. And Y'all's O'Line, not great in pass pro. Well, the left tackle was. So O'Cun. Yeah, O'Cong was a beast. Jocomini was a dog.

We were talking about him earlier. He wasn't a pass blocker per se. But he was dirty, though. But he would fucking, dude, me and him had, like, like, an epic beef for, like, five. But he was, I respected it. Yeah, him and J.R. Sweezy, they were tough. Swayzy was so. I played against Sweezy so much.

I trained with him in Tampa. He used to be D-Lyman. He was fucking, like, heavy-handed maller. No, I figured my first... The best officer line I ever played, though, it was in my practice when I played for Tampa Bay. They were really good, huh? Oh, we had Donald Penn, Utah.

True Blood. Davan Joseph and Carl Nix. Yeah. Devon Joseph was a good player. Man, I had to, like... I had to, like, boy, I got hit my chest one time by Carl Nix, man. I was like, I was like, yo, this is a man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, Carl Nix was good. I feel like if he never got his toe hurt and had that bad surgery, they didn't have to suit the team and everything. Yeah, yeah. I feel like he would easily been to Hall of Fame or like that was like

when he played for the Saints, like Joe Breeze didn't get touched, you know, between him, Javari Evans and. Yep, and you had to set a firm pocket because he's shorter. Yeah, they did never got touched. Bushrod, all those guys, like,

course. Which was a good player, man. Small school guy too. There's like those kind of teams like that, you know, like guys like that. But I said like Stephen Jackson was like one of those players like you said, if he ever had the opportunity to like, you know, be on a really good team. Yeah, dude. Like, you know, it would have been crazy, you know.

He was scary. His eyes would do that smelling salt. Yeah. His eyes would bulge out of his. Is it true you punch the bite in locker room, though? That's not a true story. Oh. No.

You know how it is? Like you see so much crazy shit and you forget half of it. Yeah. Like I was like, I'm not. sure that happened you know but I could have missed it or forgot about it but I texted some people and there was an altercation but it wasn't he didn't punt he didn't knock anybody out I could see him knocking somebody out well yeah physically he's perfectly capable I just remember like one time he was like yeah you had

trade-day cap and he was like was he going to FIFA or something like the World Cup I I don't know like he was like I'm going to FIFA or something no it sounds like some shit you would do no no that's not that's not what this guy's always telling people I dude he's like you're running He's a Renaissance man, dude. I would be like, he'd be like, what you doing? I'm going to the hot tub. You're not coming?

Like, yeah, like, but you know what? I feel like, it's like, I remember one time I was sick though, and I was like, Chris was like, I was really sick, man. And all Chris was like this fucking guy, like, like. Oh yeah, oh, he's finding a way, dude. Find it away to get a day off. Ah, a little bad day, Mike. Oh my God, we get out of fucking bread, we get out of me,

We get out of meetings and this motherfucker would turn it like reverse Kaiser Sose. You ever see the end of the movie with Kaiser Sosei? Usual suspects where all of a sudden his limp disappears. Mike walks out of meetings. It goes reverse Kaiser Sosei. I think my ankle hurts. I think I hurt my ankle in meetings. You just wanted that comfy ride home, Chris.

And me and the other D.Ns are like, okay, seven more reps a piece. That's 21. We're like looking at the script like, fuck Mike. You remember we met Obama? Yes. He was cool. Super cool. You just sit there and talk about anything.

Yeah, it was kind of a cool. Get him on the pod. Come on the pod, Barack. Oh, man. And we're just like, what's up, man, how you been? You're doing good. Strong dab, dude. He gave me a daff, I think.

He, he was like, he messed with you, man. He gave me a dab. He gave me a dab. You know that whole Obama daff says? He gave you a dab. He gave you a dab, wow. I was like, yeah, dude. I think I'd get a hand check.

I think I was with Mike. He was like Mike seems to like him. I'll tap him up. And we covered a lot. Mike, you got to come back on. Dude, you were on like a few years ago. Man, I got to come back on. Third time's a charm, too.

You're one of my favorite white people too, man. Dude, I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you, dude. You're my favorite architect, hands down. I appreciate you, my brother. Yeah, dude. I'll send you some shit later. We'll go do some work, man.

Some brutalist stuff that's off the channel. You know what brutalist stuff. Did you watch that movie? Which one? The brutal list? I started it. And I was like, ah, not today. It's kind of long, it's like.

It's like the pianist. I'm like, not today. Maybe not today. It's a film. It's kind of long. It's like the opposite of interstellar. Yeah, but there's a lot of like it was heavy and I wasn't in the mood for something heavy.

But you know, but like interstellar like Christopher Nolan, like, you know, he's my favorite director. I love fucking interstellar, dude. But it's like any movie that he makes like even like taking Dark Night and turn it at and something. And then, like, he does it in a way that it's, like, you like, it's entertaining. I feel like the brutalist was, like, long. I'll finish it. You maybe in 2030.

No, I'll finish it. I'll finish it. Michael Bennett, everyone. Thank you, guys. Thank you, bro. Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Yeah.