Green Light with Chris Long - Julian Edelman! Bill Belichick Code Breaks, Fantasy Football Draft & Superlatives.

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

(2:18) - Charlottesville Gentleman Fantasy Football League Draft. (17:26) - Guinness World Record for River Float in a Pumpkin. (20:30) - Jimmy Garoppolo's Restructured Deal with San Francisco. (28:32) - NFL Preseason WK3 Superlatives. (43:54) - Julian Edelman on Retirement, Patriots Offensive Play-calling, Josh McDaniels in Las Vegas, Cut Week in the NFL & Bill Belichick’s Code Breaks. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Julian Edelman joins us today. Former Patriot Great talks retirement life, a couple projects he's working on, and his job as an NFL media member. Chris and Julian talk the Patriots' 2022 Outlook, if Josh McDaniels is set up for success in Las Vegas, distress and anxiety that comes with cut day across the NFL, and Bill Belichuk's facility code breaks. We'll start today's show with a light recap of Chris's face. fantasy football draft, a breakable Guinness World Record, and superlatives from NFL preseason week three. Y'all enjoy today's show.

We saw a couple videos this weekend from your Twitter, you recapping your fantasy football draft. We saw Make and Walk in. Yeah. How to go. It went good. It was good to see, you know, make. He was drinking, you know, some rosé during a fantasy draft with his,

legs crossed the entire time. He'll be back in studio this week. So, Make is back this week, and you guys can stop asking me. You know, I'm not making secretary. I think that's half the, like, I think that's the disconnect here. Are the front runners for loser

of the year in this fantasy football league? Some people would say it was me. Some people would say it was me. I walked out of the draft and Megan said, hey, sorry about, sorry about, the draft. And, you know, that's no way to talk to a defending champ. Listen, I'll reveal the entire roster on Friday with Make.

We're going to have James Coe on. I think Stanford, Steve, hopefully he's going to join us. We'll see. And we'll get back into the swing of things like a normal football season. But Macon will be back. And we can compare teams because last year, I won the whole damn thing. Now, this year, what comes with winning the whole thing, guys, is it's a snake draft. and you know how I struggle with snake drafts.

It took me until the ninth round to really have the repetition down to where I have two picks every time, you know, I walk up to the podium. And on top of that, I dealt with a lot, okay? Everybody dealt with a lot. I'm really thankful that my buddy Tom put this draft together, but what I didn't know until I rolled up to this nice place that we had booked, there was a light wind,

people's papers were flying all over the place. It was a live draft. So live draft meeting like, yeah, we're all together, but like last year we all got together and we we did the app. So like as somebody gets drafted, that person disappears from the website, right? This year it was like, hey, showed up. I'm like, hey, how do we log in? Like, does anybody have any internet? Like, what's the internet access?

And they were like, nah, we've got these stickers over here. You kind of like, bro, we were doing a draft like it was 1887. We, you know, this was a fantasy baseball draft in the 90s. The draft took over three hours. It was 90 degrees up there. It was some great bonding. But I wasn't prepared, man. I wasn't prepared.

And if I'm going to be honest, I was on mushrooms. So like last year, I won the league. I rolled up to the draft on boomers. Not a lot. You could call it a micro dose. A Chris Long micro dose. So this is like a strategy. You did that last season and you think it'll help you again?

Well, yeah. I'm thinking it's like a Bradley Cooper liver. limitless thing. You know, like I feel like if I'm on the medicine, uh, I see the field. And you know, like I, after you win the draft, you try to do exactly what you did. You don't try to reinvent the wheel. So I rolled up having a good time. The draft starts to like, hey, we're doing a live draft. We're not doing, there's no internet here. There's no, you don't get to fall along on the app, nothing. And all of the sudden, I got to cross people off a fucking giant piece of paper. Like, I don't even have a piece of paper. I got to ask somebody else to borrow his piece of paper.

You know, like, I'm disheveled. I'm out of sorts. I'm the defending champion. I have a target on my back. Every time I went to the podium, I had two picks to make. Every time I went to the podium, people were like giving me the hurry up vibe. Nobody else got the hurry up vibe. That's part of being the champ. But by the ninth round, when I had it together, I had both names in hand, and I was ready to deliver the picks simultaneously I was going to impress everybody like holy shit look at this guy he's getting the hang of it round eight I've got hunter renfro in my hand right you saw the way derwin james looked at ryan clark that was enough for me round nine i got brandon cooks in my hand one of my personal favorite players right we just went to bat for brandon cooks on this podcast he's going to do

numbers down there with davis mills by the way drafted that running back down there that's going to be a winter. Damien Pierce. A lot of rookies on my team. What I didn't realize because of the live draft thing and because of the wind, the wind was blowing papers all over the place. I couldn't even keep track of my paperwork. Like I was really battling the elements. Brandon Cooks had been drafted four rounds earlier. So like I said, I was reaching around like it was a dark room and I was looking for something and I found Romeo Dobbs. Right? It's Dobbs, not dudes, not not dubs you know people have been butchering this kid's name

learn his name because he's going to get targets up there in green bay maybe it was early to draft romeo dobs but maybe it wasn't okay so i just want to put i want to put that out there that him and aaron rogers have been eating lunch together in green bay a lot i saw it on one of those graphics you know the graphics where they put the people on the graphic and then in like big bold dramatic lettering it says like whatever the quote was the quote was like

Aaron Rogers and Romeo Dobbs have been eating lunch. I was like, yeah, that's all I need to see. You saw how that went for Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford last year with breakfast. Maybe the same kind of synergy this year. So people were laughing at me, people were calling me names. They should just call me champion because that's what I am. And if Romeo Dobbs is my pick, they should just respect that in the ninth, albeit. It's tough being the champ.

A lot of eyes on you. and I get it now. Dude, I'm going to be in three leagues this year. I never thought I'd play fantasy football. So I'm really excited about it. And by the way, Matt and Reid, last year, my friend Matt lost the league. The punishment was supposed to be that he was supposed to drive around a beater for, what was it, a period of 60 days or something like that?

Reed, what was it? 60 days. It was 60 days. He did drive around at least once during the day would be posted on your social media channels. He had to go, like, at least to the store. And take a picture with his car. That's right. And just, you know, like whether he's going to Quiznos, I keep using Quiznos.

You go to Subway. You go to Jimmy Johns. Guy likes, maybe the guy like sandwiches. Okay, but you got to go in your, in your, in your 1984 Crown Victoria that's rusted out. So people at the, the, this one particular guy who was supposed to have that punishment, he was supposed to suffer that punishment this year. he was one of the loudest ones after I made that pick like people were showing me where Romeo Dobbs was

they were reaching like off the page they were like reaching below the page they're like he's down here real fucking funny I found a Crown Vic on Craigslist today Matt so I'm actually like surprise surprise motherfucker the school year has started now you're going to have to pick up your kid who's friends with my kid you can't pick up my kid in your Crown Victoria but now you're going to have to pick up your kid in a Crown Vic

because I found a Crown Vic in Orange, Virginia that I think has his name written all over. And what we can't be as a podcast or as a fantasy football league is a group of people that people don't respect. And the one way to lose respect is to not follow through on punishments. You know, we're getting real loose around here.

I didn't punish the loser of last year's fantasy football team. We didn't punish Taylor for that bet he lost to you. Taylor skated to New York, Reed. Taylor was down here. Reed and Taylor made a bet together. It was Broncos, Jack, guards, their two favorite teams, and they said the loser has to take a blow-up doll out to dinner

in public. My man moved to New York City. He's up there dining, not a care in the world. That's right. He's totally and afraid, and you almost, he had a couple, he almost went to a concert with his sex doll because you almost bought his tickets from him. Better, better than that. Taylor made the mistake like a couple weeks after he moved to New York. He's like, I'm really excited to go to this Chris Rock show. It's going to be all. awesome. You know, anytime a white guy goes to a black comic show, like, I hope your seats aren't too good, right? But, you know, like, he's going to be at the Chris Rock show. There's a lot of white people at the Chris Rock show. White people love Chris Rock. They, white people love Chris Rock so much,

they took his side over Will Smith. You know what I mean? Like, so there's actually, like, it's a pretty diverse crowd there at a Chris Rock show. But I was thinking to myself, wouldn't it be nice, Taylor's online saying, hey, I was going to go, yeah, I'm going to Chris Rock, the two seats next to me. Yeah, I got to sell them. My buddies canceled, like, whatever, whatever. I was going to buy the two seats and hire somebody to go to the show in the seats next to him and bring that sex doll and plop it right between him and Taylor. So like that plan fell through. We got to figure out a way to get Taylor to pay up on this bet in New York City. So if any listeners have an idea of a nice romantic restaurant with good visibility that we can have Taylor follow

throwing this bet. That Gonzaga tattoo bet that I had, I was sweating bullets because I was going to pay up. Well, it's funny you mentioned that because I forgot about that. And for a second there, I was like, fuck, are you supposed to get a tattoo? No, everybody was in the clear, right? So we just, two things we got to do, read. We're going to go get this car in Orange, Virginia, okay? And Matt's got to drive the car because he came in last and fantasy football last year.

The past losers of our league, we had one guy in a billboard for three, four months. I told you he parlayed that into a bunch of attaboys because he was telling strangers. They were like, aren't you the guy on the billboard in Rutgersville? He was like, yeah, I won my league like seven years in a row and I got to be on a billboard. So he flipped the script on that. Matt, who lost this year and who's going to be driving a hoopty, he had like a skunk trail dyed in his hair the first year. We did this thing. He had to dye his hair for a month.

So a couple things. We got to get guys to pay up on their debts. We saw this week I paid up on my Ken Flagell bet. Did that years ago. Did it immediately. Didn't have to announce anything. Thirsty or podcasters would have made that a thing right away to try to try to, you know, aggregate some clicks. Nah, I just pay my debt and I move on.

That's what these guys need to do. We need to get Matt a hoopie. and we need to get Taylor a sex doll, preferably with all the holes. And that things, if anybody in New York has an idea of someplace that Taylor can take, I forget what we were calling. Cassandra. Cassandra. Out for a nice dinner.

He's got a feeder too. You know? Like cut her a piece of steak and try to put it in her little synthetic mouth. shit just like falls down she's got like steak juice oh cassandra you're not hungry send it back to the chef like she's not satisfied

with this steak she said medium well so yeah we had the fantasy draft this weekend oh my kids we did movie night Saturday night I think it was we did we did movie night I'm sorry preseason gods

I don't watch all that live. I'll just say that. I watch it, you know, Sunday night and that sort of thing. But I opted to watch Sandlot with my kids. You know, we needed a movie and we were deciding on some throwbacks. And my wife said, is Sandlock going to be okay for them to watch? And I was like, yeah, of course. But you forget a couple of things about Sanlott and kids movies in the 90s is like they weren't worried about as much shit.

You know, the way those kids weren't worried about as much shit growing up whenever Benny the Jet. was growing up and they would just like kids would just like leave their houses and shit for the day. Yeah, it was July 4th and they all got to run around the neighborhood. They just took off. Hey, Mom, I'm leaving. It's insane. They were, I would be dead.

They were packing they were packing like big fatties riding a roller coaster. Tequila. Tequila. That's the first time I ever heard that song. And every time I think about like when I was a kid and I would try Red Man, which was Red Man's a Chew. Levi

Gary Garrett was a chew. Levi Garrett, I think still is a chew. I think Red Man probably needs to rebrand. Yeah, they're America's best chew now. Is that what it's called now? Same great Red Man Tastes, new name. Well, every time I tasted chew, the few times I've chewed, not dipped, I thought of Sandlot. And, you know, as we got to watch in the movie, there were certain periods where I was just fixated on my kids to see how they would react. Number one, the Wendy Peppercorn scene. Which was a salt. That was a salt. Squintz was actually, I was talking to somebody about this this weekend.

Squintz has not aged well. Like in the, in, in 2020, he was the one who said, you play ball like a girl. And I looked over in my, my college athlete wife to see how she would react. But I was looking at my kids to see, uh, how they would react when Wendy Peppercorn was putting on suntan lotion and all that stuff. But they were wide-eyed the entire. scene, dude. They were wide-eyed the entire scene. And then they were terrified every time the

ball went over the fence and you heard the big dog and James Earl Jones's dog and shit. And it was to the point where I had to fast forward to the end of the movie to show them the dog and then go back to watch the rest of the movie. Because the last thing you want to do is make the call on Sandlot and then your kids are terrified and you're waking you up at three in the morning because they're having nightmares about a big dog. So Sandlot was great. The movie held up great. One of my favorite scenes that I forgot about was when they fast forwarded.

Do you remember when they fast forwarded? And like they cut, well, they didn't fast forward. They fast forwarded Benny, uh, Betty, like what they're doing in the future. Dude's like triple A ball or something. Yeah, that, that's a crazy scene, dude. Like, I remember as a kid, like, you know, watching that scene was so much wonder and amazement that like these kids just, that one of the kids just disappeared. They were like, we didn't see him.

I was like, man, that's crazy. Kid making a throw and then he just, like, you remember the show the leftovers? Like, they just disappeared the kids. And then they went to, you know, Benny playing for the Dodgers. And the kid with the stepdad who lost the ball is the announcer. He's got the same hat, which makes no sense. Because a 10-year-old kid is not wearing the same hat as an adult, but he's wearing that little trout hat up in the press box.

And he's calling his friend's game. Man, Sandlot, if you haven't watched it lately, go check it out. Held up pretty well. In other news, before I hand out a couple superlatives from this weekend, because there's a lot of football. A guy in Missouri, I suppose, right? Yeah, so there's this guy on Twitter, Dwayne Hanson, or he's not on Twitter.

He's a real guy. He's definitely not on Twitter, Matt. The info's from Twitter. So, Dwayne Hanson, 60 years old, paddled 38 miles down the Missouri River and a giant hollowed-out pumpkin. I went 38 miles down the river without standing up in that pumpkin. My knee still hurt. But I probably won't try this again. And if somebody breaks this record, I will, like, bow down to them because they are tough.

I was nowhere near 100% that I could do this. I've never been in a pumpkin going down the river. I can't say it's easy. So there's a couple things here. Number one, definitely not. This guy's not online. You just heard him speak. He's not, he does not have a Twitter.

But what he does do is he grows big-ass pumpkins. Big-ass pumpkins. This one was 868 pounds. Voluptuous pumpkins. I mean, these things are thick with two Cs. And he carved one of these pumpkins out. So there's two, you know, number one, you have to be willing to paddle a pumpkin downstream, you have to have the time to do it because 38 miles on the Missouri River,

I don't know how long that takes, but you also have to be able to grow big-ass pumpkins. And this guy set some sort of a record. I didn't know they were keeping a record for longest distance traveled into pumpkin down a river, but I can break the fuck out of this record. Like, there's no chance I can't break this record. I actually would bet on you to break this record, given how much you love floating down the river and that you can write this off as some type of work. No questions asked. We can make content out of it the whole thing.

So there's evidently a giant pumpkin grower in, uh, it's in the valley here in Virginia. Okay, we got to find this, this grower. He or she needs to outfit us with. And I wonder what, he grew it over a thousand pound once. You could have a, you know, a bigger pumpkin.

But maybe you don't want a pumpkin that big. Maybe a pumpkin that big. It's hard to get through the shoots, you know, because on the James River, there's shoots. And how many miles of river between here and Richmond. Definitely more than 38. I think we can do this, man. I think I can do this. I really do. I don't know if that's just the Missouri River record, but the James River, I would argue,

is more difficult. Anybody out there that grows big ass pumpkins, any tips on how to hollow this thing out, I'm going to break a record. Now, I might not be able to break it this fall, right? Because water levels a little bit lower at this point. I don't want to be bottoming out in a pumpkin. But by next summer, I want to make a run at this record. I really do. This isn't one of those hollow promises. I've been looking for a record to break, and I think this is the one. I've always wanted to break a record. I might even do it. If somebody's got a pumpkin, I'll do it like in the next month, dude. If somebody has a pumpkin, if you can bring me the pumpkin, I will bring you the record. Go ahead with the breaking news.

So Jimmy Garoppolo and the 49ers agreed to a restructured one-year contract, keeping Jimmy G and San Fran this season, no trade clause. Because Seattle's in their division, right? Yeah. Seattle doesn't have a quarterback. Seattle was very interested in getting Jimmy G either by trade or when... So this is like a fuck-you.

Yeah, this is to keep them away from Seattle. So it's one year fully guaranteed for $6.5 million. So restructure. Yeah, exactly. And it has playtime bonuses that can boost it by another $9 million. So if he ends up starting, it could end up being a reasonable set. And I don't think anybody thinks he's going to start there.

But I do think that San Francisco is wise to keep them around. You know, we've, we've seen that over and over again. There was a, the, the way they got Nick Bosa, the way they got, you know, some of these high draft picks was they sucked one year because Jimmy G got hurt, right? Jimmy G. tore his ACL like early in that season. And, you know, this roster has been pretty loaded, you know, for the better part of the last decade. It feels like you want to be able to cash in on all that good work you've done. We talk about all the blue chip players they have there.

There'd be nothing worse than Trey Lance trotting out and not being who we think he is. And you've got to wait one more year. Maybe he's a year off. Maybe he gets hurt, like that sort of thing. Like Jimmy G, if you can kind of block other teams in your division and hold on to a valuable backup quarterback for a year or a guy that might be able to start games for you,

I don't think it's the worst move at all. And the best thing about this is Jimmy G hasn't muddied the wall. waters with this whole process. Like he hasn't, and this is who he is. Like he's a good teammate and all that. He hasn't made a lot of noise. He hasn't cried about it. You know, he hasn't thrown stones at Shanahan or Trey Lance or, you know, made noise. And that creates an environment for him and Trey Lance and that offense and that team really where they can all coexist and play their roles. It seems like Jimmy's ready to play his role for a year, whatever that is. So I like that move. I really do. I still believe in San Francisco. This weekend I watched

Trey struggle a little bit, but honestly he never got going. And the O line was real patchwork out there. I mean, like some of their best players aren't playing. I know it's Houston and he didn't look great early on, but there was nothing in that that really scared me. You know, some of the outrouts that he fails to hit, some of the little gimmee throws that he's a little bit off on. Those are the things that concern me more than anything. But the upside is still pretty big with him. Yeah, no matter who your starter is, having the best backup in the league can't be a bad thing if you can afford it on a one-year deal. When did Nick Foles end up there?

No, but I mean, honestly, he's, no, I'm joking. I'm joking. Jimmy's probably. I think he'd probably be the best. He'd probably be the most coveted at this point in his career. San Francisco, I trust them. They're smart. They're making the best decision for their, for their football team. And I don't think this, I don't know.

Do I read into this when it comes to Trey Lance? I don't know, man. I'm not sure. I cannot wait to see San Francisco play the first week. I just can't wait to see Trey Lance play, you know, in a real game, you know, so much speculation. I saw him play last year in a real game, but I want to see what it looks like this year. He's a little bit healthier. He's had a whole offseason.

He's a year older, more mature, smarter, the whole thing. 178 more snaps of experience under his belt. That was before preseason started, so I can't wait to see week one. I play the Bears. They have Bears week one, September 11th. Which is great. And Seahawks week too. It's a nice little start.

Great. If you're the Niners, you can kind of get an idea of who he is, how far he has to go. And you've got Jimmy who presumably is healthy because if he wasn't healthy, there'd be no need to, you know, shield him from the rest of the division. And you wouldn't keep him if he couldn't throw the football. So Jimmy's probably healthy again. And if you had him spot starting, I think you'd feel pretty good about that. Do you think Trey Lance has any pressure from Jimmy G. Sting on the roster?

I don't think so. Shanahan, I don't think anything he would have seen the past couple weeks would have changed how he feels about Trey Lance. I don't think there's anything that I've heard or seen that would change, you know, how convicted he was on where he was going in the future. And I think the future is the future, but we are in this transitional phase. And maybe there's a hiccup or two where you might need Jimmy. All in all, the Niners just got better, in my opinion.

It's also a great trade piece. It is. Week 6 through 12. It is. And by then, you probably know what you have in Trey this year. So somebody's going to come calling for him. You're right, read, and they're going to have an opportunity if they want it, or they might hold on to this guy because in January, maybe you need him.

And from Jimmy G's perspective, that's why getting the no trade clause is important so that he can only be. traded somewhere he actually wants to go. Huge, man. Huge. And if you think ahead, they're mostly teams with injuries. That's the, what team's that going to be in the beginning of October? I don't know.

Hopefully everybody stays healthy, but if somebody doesn't and you're a contender, you call the Niners ASAP. Maybe you get some of that capital back that you gave up for Trey Lans. So everything's going to be fine in San Francisco. I just don't know how that fine looks. you know, there's a lot of unknowns there. And if you'll remember Kyle Shanahan basically foreshadowed this situation. That's why we looked in in trading Jimmy,

because we obviously believe that trade can be a starter, and we're ready to do that. But we can't help upgrade our team in another way. We're not just going to get rid of a good quarterback because we have other quarterbacks on the roster. Quarterbacks are really hard to come by. Some teams don't have any at all. And the fact that we have three that we're happy with,

that is a good thing. You always want to upgrade your team, and usually only one guy can play. And we know we have some guys that are capable of starting, which Jimmy's done a great job for us. We brought Tray here to be that eventually. And I think that'll be sooner than later. But when Jimmy gets the surgery and we can't upgrade our team by getting some good picks until surgery, until people feel good about that, I'm all right with that.

I mean, we're not just getting rid of them to get rid of them. Jimmy's a good player that we all really like as a person. You know, I'm not an athlete anymore per se. I did just join a softball league. but I'm a podcaster. To podcasters, gut health is very important. My morning routine is very important. My breakfast is very important.

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You could have just scrolled the timeline because this video went viral. Poe, a giant raven, the mascot for the Baltimore Ravens looks to torn his ACL in a game in a preseason game. We're talking about a preseason game, dude.

Poe went down with an ACL. They got get the cart out for him. They had to cart this big ass bird off the field. He kept his mask on. He's in there like, motherfucker, dude. I wish they had mic'd poe up. But what I really wish more than anything is, and this is why Poe gets the St. Louis Memorial Award,

which is awarded to somebody who toils an obscurity. I really wish the team would have gathered around Poe. You know, I think it would have been a great scene if people took to that gator, that golf cart, the way they take to that golf cart when any number of those 30 players that got carted off for the Ravens

last year did. I mean like anytime you see a player get carted off, a bunch of people they surround the vehicle. They you know they encourage you know they pray over I would have like to see some guys

praying over Poe you know this is the ultimate move the fucking drill dude from the Ravens you know that in practice this in the NFL when somebody gets hurt, a lot of times they'll say move the drill. Guy will still be on the ground and team period will literally just pick up and move while the guy gets attended to, right? And this was the ultimate move of the drill in the NFL.

It's a preseason football game and your mascot goes down with an ACL and he's all alone out there. Nobody checked on him, not a coach. Nobody. I don't even think it was quiet on the field. Do you think that they'll continue this bit throughout the year where he'll still be on the sidelines, but he'll have a brace on his leg? So I don't know, Reed, because they brought, they brought, evidently Poe came back into the game.

He did. Okay. And I was talking about this with Meena Kimes. I don't think it's the same Poe. I think they have multiple Poe. I think there's multiple pose. I think they called the backup. and the backup flew into work

and the backup went out there for the second half or whatever it was because think about it, nobody knows you know, mascot, the job security is not high, dude, you know? In with the next one. So I feel bad for Poe. I wish they would have circled around Poe,

giving Poe some love. Go watch the video. The fucking, the bird's all alone on the gator, dude. That's the best name of any mascot in the league, by the way. Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but how many, what percentage of Ravens fans do you think get it? Less than 50. Less than 50 for sure. Yeah, probably not many of them know that Poe's named after me.

Yes, yes, your look-alike. Yeah, well, wait a sidestep the John Wilkes Booth doppelganger. Not many mascots are named after John Wilkespooh. Yeah, me, dude, this poor mascot had to go out alone. bro. It's how you come into the world. That's how you go out. That's what Poe learned on Saturday night. Nobody cares, man. Next man up. I feel bad for Poe. I really do. So we'll give him the St. Louis Memorial Award. And then worst flight, Nebraska fans. They go out there to Ireland to play a game, right? Planes full of corn-fed people, quite literally. That's what they eat there.

Going to land of potatoes. And they get off the plane, they're all, you know, because you go to Ireland, you think about Guinness and, you know, the alcohol, the Irish whiskey, the partying, the blacking out. That's what I imagine it happens in Ireland. And for a lot of white folks like us, like this is the motherland. So like it's a pilgrimage on many levels for a lot of people coming to Ireland and they want to make it count. And they're favored by 13. The cornhuskers are favored by 13. I get suckered into that bet because Will Compton, just the sheer volume of Will Compton tweets was suggestive enough to make me

think yeah like I'm gonna bet the the huskers and not only do they not cover they they lose the game and I can't help but wonder if uh if they all got really fucking drunk that night and struggled a whole lot on the plane ride home I started to wonder if this was the most miserable plane full of Midwestern people traveling back from Europe of all time this loss had to feel so bad I mean it's the opener. So you, when you're a college football fan, I think a lot of like how your team's going to look is shrouded in obscurity, unless you're like a top 10, top 15 team. Like there's a lot of, especially in today's game, you know, you've got, you've got freshmen, you have transfers, you have all this stuff. And, you know, it's not like you've been consistent in Nebraska,

but you're starting to buy the hype. You're excited. You're going to play Northwestern. Okay. As a coach named Pat Fitzgerald, by the way. One point for the North, There are two points for Northwestern. They actually put like an Irish emblem on their, on their end. Nebraska was just like, oh, fuck it. Not important. And then they took an L. And I can't help but wonder how bad that plane ride was.

I saw they were drinking out of like three-story beer snakes. I mean, you know these people got obliterated. And Sunday evening with time change and everything, I'm thinking to myself like, golly, there's a lot of people on airplane rides right now going through the Sunday scaries, dude. And they had gotten free beer at the stadium that day too for the game. Yep. They were like the computer system went down and I guess because it's Ireland,

they just gave everybody free beer. A bunch of Midwestern people in Ireland and it's free beer. And they're only there once. And they're there to watch their football team who not only fails to cover, but loses the game. So for that, I would say that's the worst playing ride of the week. All the Nebraska fans that sailed across the sea to see the corn huskers beat Northwestern, and then they had to travel back.

If anybody was on that flight, maybe you could write us and tell us how harrowing that experience was. But like, I'm pretty sure y'all had the sweats on that flight back. Sometimes on those flights, there's no internet over the Atlantic Ocean. Holy shit, you're just sitting in there like it's 1987 with no internet hungover. You're 0.1. not only your oh and one you know that like everything you had hoped and dreamed for the rest of the year looks different now season's over basically season's over dude you went to ireland to find out you suck sorry will i know well well will didn't go but yeah worse flight i'm going to go with nebraska

okay a couple things this weekend let's just go through them there there are storylines i know it's preseason but there are storylines some things going on you know pay Patriots O-Line. Julian Edelman is going to join us in a few minutes. The Pats O-Line was a topic of discussion, and it probably should have been. There were a lot of negative plays in that last preseason game. They looked off kilter.

Mack Jones looked kind of sketchy out there. Mack Jones threw the ball into an ocean of Las Vegas Raiders. There were six in frame. The only one that probably could have picked the ball off, he didn't see him, but not a great showing from the Pats O line. And like I alluded to, there's a lot they have to replace their continuity's kind of been their game. You know, these same characters, even ones that aren't great as long as they're there and they're working in the same system. You have a chance to work together and be productive.

And this year, I just don't know. There's a big learning curve for some of these guys. There's a big learning curve working together. And, you know, Max settled in in that game. You know, certainly he looked a little shaky earlier, that pick included. but he's settled in. He's going to have to play really well this year. And I'm just not sure.

Justin Fields look great. Okay, Justin Fields, I'm really excited about. The more I watch him, the more I feel comfortable with this take, that he could be the best in this draft in his draft. I think he might be the cream that rises to the top. But boy, he's got to rise through some bullshit, doesn't he? I mean, like this offense, they're going to have their problems. They're going to take their lumps.

but a couple of the balls he threw the other night were really, really encouraging. I mean, there were two preseason games ago. There were people on him like that. I think they played Seattle, and he really struggled. But really more than anything, the protection wasn't great. If he can speed up the processing, this kid's going to be just fine. And that's going to come with reps.

And I also think with a quarterback, you've got to take some reps in situations that aren't emergencies. He's always under duress. Like, you have, like, building positive repetition in a controlled environment should be an expectation for a quarterback who's drafted so high. I mean, like, I know that heavy is the head that wears the crown, but you can't expect this kid to make chicken soup out of chicken shit every Sunday. So there's going to be some lumps.

There are going to be times this year where he's not perfect. But I know that as a long-term investment over the next two, three years, I know Justin Fields is going to be okay and I believe in two or three years we're going to say man Justin Fields was the guy in that draft I'm not positive but I feel pretty good about that

again it's just preseason I thought that before the preseason I still think it I'm excited about Justin Fields fuck I could be wrong Malik Willis wowed some more people this weekend again one thing to keep an eye on is going to be how Tannahill responds

I don't think there's a QB under more pressure than Ryan Tannehill this year, relative to his situation. You could say like Tom Brady's under a lot of pressure, Aaron Rogers under a lot of pressure, but I'm talking about a guy with somebody breathing down his neck that people are enamored with, and they should be,

Malique Willis is going to be a good football player. Maybe that's the best backup QB in the league. I don't know, man. We'll see. There's a lot that we haven't seen yet from these guys. Justin Fields included. You know, there's a lot that we haven't seen from some of these guys.

We had another cup block. T.J. Watt. It's almost like some of these things only happened because of the time of the day and the market with which they happen in. Because T.J. Watt is an incredible player. He's one of the most important players in the NFL. T.J. Hawkinson.

It was T.J. on T.J. Hockinson across the formation cuts his legs out, and T.J. has to, Watt has to leave with an injury. And I'm not sure what the injury is, but it's not like a long-term injury. I think it's kind of a, day to day or he's questionable. Mike Tom would study would have come back into the game probably if

it was a regular season. He's a fucking beast and you know but I'm just making the point that like we had this rookie who you know everybody's paying attention to it's New York it's it's a primetime game it's that sort of thing. You've had the defending Super Bowl champs in town and you know people set Twitter on fire over this over this cup block and then one of the best players in the league gets cut a couple days later and people aren't making a big deal about it about. it at all. You'd be wrong to make a big deal about it because it's a perfectly legal block. And as we saw, maybe people just learn their lesson. But it was so interesting to me watching people react to something they got reps at last week. And it was way more toned down.

Now there's still some people who are going to say like that should never happen. And I see where they're coming from. But the rules are the rules right now. So last thing, dude, we talked about the Tom Brady, uh, that touchdown ball. I think it was last year. It's his last touchdown ball before he retired. It went for $518,000 before retirement. The guy's trying to flip it now. Guess what he's at? Just guess.

40, 25K. A little half a million haircut. Betting on Brady. What I'm saying, dude. I'm going to talk to Julian Edelman in a minute, probably about some of the gambling losses we've taken. The biggest loss I took was betting on Brady. This guy was betting on Brady.

The ball, the ball went down a half a mill in value. Also, I'll tease it again. We've got this guy coming on in a couple. We got Ken Golden. We got Ken Golden, King of Cards. Hey, a little bit of spoiler here for you. When he comes on, we're going to talk about the dog mask and what it was worth before I became a podcaster.

And after, the dog mask with the original, OG dog mask signed by me was relatively valuable at one point and now according to Ken Gold not so much so me and Tom Brady dealing with the same shit okay? Yeah our merch is is fucking torpedoing

Tom Brady said there's a lot of shit going on he's got a lot of shit going on I got a lot of shit going on 37 I can only imagine what happens when you're 45 all this shit that's going on so yeah sorry for sorry for that guy that's tough that's everything we have today

Julian Edelman is a good friend, friend of the program, and we're going to cover a lot of ground. I just bullshit a little bit. So I can't wait for the season, man. I can't wait for the season. I can't wait to walk in here and say, I don't have to ask what we're talking about today. It's happening.

It's happening as we speak. It happened all Sunday. That's what the season's all about. Our jobs get easier and harder at the same time. Guys, I can't wait. So a couple more shows before we really ramped this thing up. but as I said, Macon will be back Thursday for the Friday show.

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What's up, pal? I'm your buddy. Buddy, pal. I'm not your pal, plane. Dude, I just think it's crazy. We're just two media guys now. We were just kind of reminiscing on how washed up we are. And the fact that now we're a part of the NFL media and we got to do all this studying.

I honestly think it's harder than when we played. Absolutely. I mean, I've been sitting here for the last, like, month, especially when training camp just started, just digesting, digesting content, coward, Rome, first take, and I just want to see what all these people are talking about. And then I, you know, then you got to, like, play a little simulation. Like, all right, this is what I would go. You know what I mean? You're just taking mental reps, taking mental reps. But it's so much freaking, when we were playing, oh, yeah, like, you knew, no, like, you knew,

numbers, all right. Forty-five, dude's quicker than fast. You know, he's got good ball skills. He can come downhill. He's a hugger. Watch out. He fake blitz. He's rock blitz. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it's none of, like, I didn't. And you know your division. Like, I know AFC East. I'm good. I know all the guys. I know the coaches. But when you got to jump over to, like, I'm good with the NFC West too because of Niners. But I'm good with all. It's just tough, man. There's a lot of names. There's a ton of names. And then every, year a bunch of new ones come in and then you get to know people and shepter just tweeted this out i think it's like 860 people get cut over the next two days so it's like you got to start all over

figure out whose role is what who got hurt uh honestly i feel like media members know the players in the game more than than the players do as far as like being aware of every single player and i think it shows up interestingly like top 100 showed up this week and that's an example of like a list or whatever, like pro bowl is like, uh, something that's quote unquote voted on by players. But you know how this is. Like you get in a room and they're like, all right, who do you guys think should be in the pro bowl? And most people are like, I don't know. Like we're voting on people on the other side. You know, like on our side of the ball. We watch opponents. Like, we don't know. Can we can we just paint the picture for the listener? Yeah. They hit us up on a Thursday practice after meetings.

It's five o'clock at night. Guys are fucking tired. It's like week 11. You got a spray name. your shoulders thing. You're trying to get in for treatment after work. And they just lay this fucking packet on you. They say, here, guys, we're doing the top 100. No one wants to be there. People are over here just fucking copying each other. Like, it's a choke.

Yeah, you fill out that, like, legitimately, I can never remember filling out more than 12 players. Because I'll be like, hey, I'm not going to be able to go 100 players here. And they're like, no, just give us like 10 to 15. So these processes are really flawed. You know, like, players, know, like they know if you can get them to focus in on which players we're talking about, but they're unaware of like all the players in the league.

And that's why some of these lists, if they're purported to be like player curated, players selected, like chances are even the Pro Bowl is not perfectly voted upon. So it's just really tough. And like being in the media has kind of taught me that lesson. It's like, we don't know what we don't know when we're in a locker room because what we're focused on is Sunday and our job. That's 100. I mean, I agree with that, like, on so many levels. You know, I played in New England, so they kept the blinders on you.

Like, you, I knew our division. I knew our opponent that week. And then it was like erase memory, next game, new game plan, new tendencies, new defense to learn. So, like, when you go into this routine of how you prepare, like, that's the last thing. you're, especially if you're on a team vine for like a first round by, like, last thing you want to do is sit here and talk about, you know, players that you're not even playing or you haven't even seen play. I mean, we didn't, you know, you play the AFC West or NFC West once, you, every four

years. You know, you don't know players. If you're, I mean, you, you hear names. And a lot of those lists, it's like recency bias. Like there's a lot of guys that are like some high ranked dudes that they didn't even play most of the season. And people don't want to. And players, like, it's never going to be challenged because players don't want to player hate.

So like, the only people with the clout to actually change the way people perceive the list are reluctant to do so because they'll get called haters. Like, there's a couple guys I've seen on top 100. They're like really good players. But I'm like, there's no way this guy should be ahead of this guy or this guy should be even on the list. There's no reason Lane Johnson's not on the list. Like, I pick certain people like that out because you know how I probably feel about it. but the people that are on the list and shouldn't be, no one's going to speak up because players don't want to be player haters.

So it just becomes this imperfect process through which we, we kind of digest who's good and who's not. So yeah, I'm with you. Hey, you're talking about, like, retirement. You mentioned training camp. Training camp rolled around like a month ago. One thing I've noticed over the last four years is how I feel in August and how it's way different.

Like all we knew for so long, and the last time we talked in this podcast, you were yet to be retired, I don't think. Like when you go into August as a retired dude, you have a rep at it. What does it feel like to you? Were you relieved? Like, are there things you missed about training camp? When you turn on NFL network and see guys doing drills, like, how do you feel?

I mean, last year, my first year out, I didn't, I was happy. I was, you know, I was in pain. And that was real recent in my mind of how I felt about the game. You know, when you're grinding to get through a week of practice, Like, and when you're doing things that are, that used to be so fundamental and so routine. And it was like a freaking high effort. Like, you had to focus on things. You had to like, and there's pain involved.

Like, that's what football has become fun. But after a year of like really just let my body heal and having some, you know, compounded rest, which you can rest in the offseason when you're playing on winning football teams, but there really is no rest. Especially if you're playing into January every single year. We went to AFC Championship nine times in my career in a row. Like you're getting no off season. So like you're automatically, especially if you're a high like competitive guy, which we had a lot of those guys.

Like even when you won a Super Bowl, that next year you had to work harder because you had the target on your back. So you don't really rest. So after I've had a little time to rest, like now my body's like, man, you know, like I should be smoking like 2100s right now like because you know when you went into camp that's the best you felt that's the best you're going to feel all year after that there something in training camp to happen you're always like high tune going into training camp at least I was you know I loved the beginning like you just felt fast that first team meeting

where there's all that buzz in the meeting room and you're waiting on build a walk in school yeah Everyone's got a little swaggy something on, you know, like a cool pair of shoes. It's like the first day of school, you know. You haven't seen the fellows in a while. Everyone had their month off or whatever. You know, so you miss that, but you don't miss like week two or or week, you know, when you're in 18 days in and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. I don't know.

But it's also different now. These, like the last couple camps, you got like you were four days on, one day off. Four days off. Like, that's different. When we were in double days, like it was like miserable. You saw double days. Your rookie year was maybe double days.

My rookie is second year. Yeah, the last year of double days because I can remember that year. I always tell this story. It was a it was that CBA that kind of changed camp. And it was a double whammy for me, a St. Louis Ram, because I was really excited about never having two days ago again because I saw those. But also we had the Hall of Fame game that year.

So the lockout camp. canceled the Hall of Fame game. So I was like, fuck yeah, dude. The best. Yeah, the best.

I never played in one. Yeah, no, me neither, very proudly. I'm very appreciative that I didn't have to play in that game. But like, you know,

you talk about all the grind and the negative, but you're a competitor. I'm a competitor. I can tell you if I was to like, try to give you a roadmap of what's to come, I do agree with you. Like, the first fall is the easiest because you're kind of in the,

you're right in the high of making a life decision and taking things into your hands. And like, For you, I heard you describe it as like, I didn't have anything left in the tank physically. For me, I definitely wasn't what I was in my 20s, but I felt like it was just time. And when you make that decision, you're so afraid to make that decision for so long. Once you do, you feel kind of empowered by it. And you're like, okay, I'm going to live the next chapter of my life.

This is exciting. There's a bunch of first. You're like, oh, the leaves are changing and I'm drinking on a Saturday. You know, I'm watching college football at a bar until 1 a.m. Like, this is fun stuff. I get to gamble on football. Like, there's all these perks, but then the second and third, and now I'm going, I think, on my fourth year out, like, you eventually are like, okay,

I kind of, I kind of miss it. Like, there's a part of me. There's a missing piece that, you know, is never going to get kind of occupied again. And it can get a little lonely in the fall. And I wonder, this fall, as you kind of enter that phase, if you're thinking about taking any calls, because you were on Rasillo's show last week, my guy. you blessed him with the Tom Brady social. That was beautiful. Tom Brady actually quote tweeted Ryan Rosillo. I think that made his lifetime. Yeah, I think it did. Is that why Rosillo just

text me recently? He must have got quote teed. And then he texts me like three days later. Like, hey, man, do you really want to go? Like, is that why he texts me because Tom? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He loves, I mean, you know, he's a New England guy. So this like made his life. But, you know, you talked a little bit with Ryan about, you know, maybe, you know, you're working out and shit like that. Be real, man. Like, you're not working out for nothing, are you? That's what I'm trying to figure out. You know, you can't just, people don't realize. You can't, like, it's not like, especially when you're older, you can't just work out for a week, take a Gatorade shake, go run a conditioning test and get ready for fucking, you know, 18 weeks of football. Yeah. It's, it's like a, it's a huge

mind commitment. Like you have to, it's, it's, you can't, and you can't dip your toe in. You got to dive into that thing. So like, I'm, I'm doing things in like, like, where I'm in like a beginning phase of like an off season-ish,

you know, just kind of feeling out my body and feeling out my legs. I mean, I've had some downtime. My, my body feels good. You know, there's some deficiencies here and there, but you know, I feel like extremely better than I did, you know, the last year and a half of my career.

So I don't know if it's foos gold, you know, just because I haven't been compounding loadage. That's why, you know, you get interested. So then you kick it up a little bit here and there and you analyze. You don't make decisions. And that's what I'm doing. So I played softball the other night and I feel great. Like the first time running around the bases, I'm like, man, I'm still fast. You know, I've been working out. I feel good. And sometimes I think I could still fucking do it. And maybe I could, but the question isn't could you do it on a Sunday it's could you do it the next Sunday after that

and the next one after that because I woke up after playing softball and I felt like I got run over by a fucking semi truck you know like and that wouldn't have happened at 31 years old 27 years old because you're in that shape where you never stepped off the treadmill you you're like so and that's so I think that's the mind fuck that's the mind fuck is like you know you're all healed and you're like oh I feel great. But like, do you know how you'll feel on a Monday if you go take 20 snaps? You know what I mean? Like, you're used to doing 50, 60 snaps a game. Like, you know, if you come back and you play 15 plays for a team, like, who knows how that feels? I think that's the biggest mind fuck of like taking a break and feeling like Superman. That's, that's exactly. It's like interstellar when they travel to a

different world. And like the time is like it, like when you take the year off, well, when you get back on the field, you're like 80. Yes. You know what I mean? Just. Just. Because your body gets calcified to hitting and your body gets calcified to practicing against men at a high level. Like everyone can go out and train at a hundred miles an hour. But it isn't until you get another man across of you. And you guys are banging and you got to use little intrinsic strengths on your ankles, your knees, your fucking glutes. Your proprioception, Jules. Your propioception, bro.

Yeah. Appropriateception. You're so smart. I know, dude. Well, I just talked to a good SAT words. Thank you. I just have done me well. I just talked to a buddy the other day who I'm not going to know.

but like he went got checked out like a couple years out of the NFL and his bone density is like down like you lose bone density because you're just not loading your your bones and your joints like so that that suit of armor that you like built up over all those years by not stopping like you just all the changes are untold like you just have no idea uh until you because it's a car accident it's a bunch of car accidents all sunday and there's no way you can possibly imagine that sitting at home. It reminds me of the astronauts when they're in outer space. They got to strap down. They got to exercise to stress those muscles or the bone density leaves. Yes, dude. We just had an astronaut on here. He was talking about all the working out they have to do up there because you atrophy up in

space. Why are you, are you thinking about being an astronaut or something? That's two space references. No, but I literally was thinking to myself. That's my second. Maybe I have it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So retirement, like, let's say you don't go back and play. Let's say you stay retired. Bortem, like, sets in. A lot of guys go coach. Could you ever see Julian Edelman packing a dip all day in a meeting room, you know, with team issued gear on doing cutups of, you know,

23-year-old Kent State guys? Absolutely not. Okay. You know, I've dedicated my life to the game. and I had my sentence and I love the game and the game has been great to me. Yeah, yeah.

But, you know, coaches don't have lives. Like, they really do not, like, there's coaches that do good jobs on all those aspects, but like I'm just saying the majority, that's, that's like, oh, it's a tough life. Those guys put in a lot of hours. Like, I respect coaches

to the fact that, like, these guys are putting in 17, 18 hours a day, not sleeping. They're stressed out of their mind. line like and their work is relying on how that another person does bill used to trip me out because bill would drive like an hour to where he lived like he lived like in the cape somewhere and i'm like uh hangum or hang him like way way far away and you you lived uh like what in boston or providence which one like all the ballers lived in boston or providence and like all the dudes

that knew they were there for like a year or two like we lived in like foxborough behind in the stadium, which was actually not that bad. I lived in Foxborough for six years, bro. Yeah, when you were young Julian and you knew like things could change any time. But like when you, but Bill lived in Hingham and I used to think like, God damn, dude, this guy's driving an hour to work and home every day. And he's spending 17 hours of the facility. Like you trade your entire life to coach football.

They love it. Those got like coaches really do love football. I mean, they're doing it for other guys to go out and perform. You know, and that's something you've got to tip your hat to a lot of the, like, and it's not just in New England. It's, it's everywhere. A lot of these coaches, they work their tails off. They're moving their families, you know, every two years.

It's a tough way to make a living. And like, I'm over that. I'm, I've already sacrificed time with my family relationships in my life. Like, I'm enjoying being a dad. I took my daughter to school today. We had a barbecue last week. You know, there's cool things that, you know, my parents were around a lot of the time. So, like, I feel that that's, you know, I'm in that part of my life where, you know, yeah, I got to work.

And there's things that I love and I can still be associated with the game. And that's why I chose, I chose media going and starting podcast games with names presented by Winbed, of course, and being on inside the NFL streaming on Paramount. Plus, of course. So that gives me my football fix. But the plug king, the plug king, by the way. And I can't wait to talk because I've, can I spoil it? Me and Kyle came on games with names.

You're not supposed to spoil it, man. That was going to get us our buck. That was definitely going to be the needle mover. I mean, I know you just had like Eli Manning and Teddy Bruske, but, you know, Kyle Long and Chris Long are on games with names this year. So we'll talk about that a little bit.

But, oh, I got a story about a coach. This is a guy who I'm not going to name. But there's a coach that he was in, you know, a meeting with his staff. at like 11 p.m. and it was like the middle of the season and his staff was like coach we've been here since you know six a.m. don't you think we should go home and get some rest and his response was if i go home now my wife will try to have sex with me so like that kind of that kind of sums it up like this is where this is where coach's heads are at like sex would be a negative they are so stressed out where it's like

Usually it's like a stress reliever when you, you know, when you have like they're so mind fuck with the execution of practice that day. Yeah. That it fucks up their libido. Yeah, dude. I can't have that. Yes, dude. You can't not want to have sex, you know, like, like not at all.

Like a browsers pop up, you know, comes up in your desktop and you're like, no, no, no, we got to install something. Yeah. No, no, it's third down today. It's third down. It's third down. Yeah. Win it in third.

We got to, yeah. So, yeah, coaching not in the future for Julian Edelman. If I'm coaching, something's wrong. There's no coach Edelman. Let's coach a Pop Warner team. I would love that. I'm thinking about coaching Little League in a year. Here, AJ Hawk, he does it.

Does he really? Yeah, I think he's coaching a Pop Warner team. I listen to him on the Macafee show. That guy loves cigars. He's got a cool haircut, too. The Hawk. He looks cool, dude. I love the Hawk.

He's a great guy. He's always been cool to me, at least. and he looks like an action movie villain, dude. No question. Could you imagine the Ohio State guys? I just have my boy Nate Ebner here. Ebner. And like these guys all from Ohio State,

they all go back to Columbus and just live like Kings. Oh yeah. It must feel good to go to Ohio State. What about you? Because now college football, the landscape has changed so much. Kids are making money. There's much more visibility.

I feel like if Julian Edelman was recruited in 2022, like people would know exactly who he was and then you'd get more offers. Let's say in a fantasy world, you were like a highly recruited guy and we know what we know now. Where does Julian Edelman go to school? And you can't say Ken State. You know, there's a ton of big programs calling. You know, it's crazy. Like when I was growing up, I loved the pack tent. I'm a West Coast kid. I loved Berkeley. You know, Stanford had some really good years. UCLA, like, Those were just the schools I loved. Oregon started getting cool when I was like in high school.

Like now it's kind of changed. And if you want to play at the next level, the best shot is going to Alabama, especially receiver you, Nick Saban. He's a former Ken State Golden Flash. Is he a Ken State guy? Alabama.

I would want to play with the best. Is Nick a Ken State guy? Went to Ken State. He's like our biggest donor. No shit. We love Coach Sabin. Wow, dude. I could see you at Alabama.

Alabama, Jules with a southern accent, Southern Jules. SEC Jules, that would have been fun. Yeah, you would have made a lot of money off the field now. You see all these guys, the coldest Crawford's got an air conditioning, NIL, these guys are getting NILs with Chili's, Sauce Gardner, who's a rookie now is. They got to put some regulation of this thing, though. Yeah. I mean, if I'm the NCAA, I mean, you got to put down,

they got to turn it into a business where if these kids can train. for their free agents every year. You know, there's no, there's like, so you got to put a deal in place or where they have to at least lock two years in or so. There's got to be something because it's, I mean, I'm pro player, but like. I think, I think, I think, I think even pro player people find their limit on like the, the chaos. I mean, like, and I think it'll sort itself out. It's kind of a necessary.

If you're, if you're a dope, like, if you're a really good offense alignment, a left, a right tackle and you, or you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, just becoming good. It's about to be your big year. And your starting quarterback had a pretty good year last year. You guys are probably at what, like Mississippi State and then Florida or some Alabama comes and takes your quarterback because they could like recruit like players that are playing next year. And then that guy leaves. It's affecting that. Like it's just like a whole like there's no accountability to to like the team anymore, which it's the ultimate team sport. That's why we all played football. If we wanted individual sports, you go play hockey, you go play, tennis or golf or or fight or something along those lines.

I mean, this is the ultimate team sport where 11 men have to do their job for six seconds in order to execute just one play. Not even a drive, just one play. One guy messes up. It's a colossal fuck up. That's what the sport is. But no question,

you know, no questions the coaches. The coaches can leave when they want, you know, so there is some. And that's that's the, that's that counterpoint, which those guys do that as well.

So like, it's just the world we live in. but there's got to be contracts. Yeah. There's got to be something to where, like, you might have to pay them back if you're getting all this money because did you hear there was a kid who just made like $8 million and then it's like transferred.

Well, that's the hard part. That's the hard part is like, think about somebody. They wanted the money back. He said, you can't. I mean, think about the LSU quarterback that, uh, I guess he was in the transfer portal.

Brian Kelly comes down. He's like, nah, you should stay. Then a kid from Arizona State comes, takes his job. In the meantime, He gets married on the LSU field or he gets engaged on the LSU field.

Never do a sports engagement. Don't do it. And then he gets benched for the kid that transfers in. He retires from football. And he's still got his raising canes deal. He's got a bunch of NIL money still coming his way. And I think like that's one instance that's kind of instructive to people that are going to dole out money for college athletes. It's like the landscape is not stable.

I know you want to pay this guy. And now we're going to have like donors that are donating things. through these NIL funds that are like, I want to see this guy play. You know, like, and what happens when that guy doesn't play because he's not good enough? You know, is the donor going to throw a shit fit and never donate again? That's capitalism, baby. That's capitalism, baby. No, I know. All right. So more capitalism. We've got cuts coming tomorrow. We alluded to Adam Schepter's tweet. Those numbers are crazy. And it's a hard day in the NFL. Like, listen, I know. It's a hard day. And I know, you know, I was a high pick.

So I was safe early on, but I watched a lot of my teammates that I was really tight with that went through, you know, really stressful last weeks of August. And I know maybe early in your career wasn't always a sure thing. Were you ever close to getting cut or traded? Do you remember any really painful cuts that you had to kind of watch transpire? Dude, the first like five years of my career were, you know, it's cut day was Turk day. You don't want to say Turk. He's going to come out. to your playbook, coach wants to see, like, you'd be sitting in the locker room shaking. That grim reaper.

Like the Reaper, the Turk, he's going to come get you. And it's usually some coffee kid and you all know which one it is. But, you know, that's the toughest, that's the toughest day in the locker room because, you know, obviously after, you know, a few years, I developed a role and, you know, I didn't have to worry about it as much. But I always remembered that day, you know, going, leaving your house thinking you're cool because I've seen guys. get leave the facility get cut and you see so many crazy different scenarios the one that stuck out to me the most was in 2009 my rookie year so it was the year where remember hooy dog yeah or bryan hoyer he he had like the tv cameras on him and uh he was supposed to get drafted

like the third round became a free agent he was all like he was semi humiliated about it and i saw him at the ohio airport and i was like i don't know i was kind of an ass i was like oh you're the guy that the cameras and didn't get drunk. No. So he was like really down in the dumps. But to show you the character, Hoydog, the year before, the Patriots drafted in the second round, Kevin O'Connell. And Kevin O'Connell, the head coach of the White King John. And Hoydog went in there and beat him out. And I remember when Kevin O'Connell got beat out by a lawyer who was undrafted, and he was in the second year as a second draft pick, a second round draft pick.

I knew that like it was just terrifying like oh my god I can't believe that they really are like that's that's the NFL it doesn't matter where you are you're gone like that's something that stuck out to me but we cut a third rounder I think in St. Louis one time I mean like they were just like no no thank you the first year dude I think he was in camp he was a third or fourth rounder kid from like Louisiana Lafayette and they cut him defensive end it's a hard day man a lot of guys lose their dream a lot of guys That'll be the last day they ever play. A lot of guys, you know, they got to go into the circle of being on a practice squad, going down that journey, you know, getting picked up by other team, you know, moving their life and becoming these little mercenary type workers. You know, it's tough. And, you know, I have a lot of respect for those guys that grinded out, the Danny and Mendolez, the Malcolm Butler's, the undrafted guys, the late-round guys

that, you know, go the long way. They have to go to the practice squad. They have to fucking sit and get their opportunity and take advantage of the opportunity. They get cut on national TV and still come back and become a Super Bowl champion like Danny Amandola. Yeah. Like it's crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

No. And it's funny. You mentioned the Grim Reaper and everything. I was just thinking about in mobster movies. There's always a guy that you don't want to sit in front of in the Lincoln Continental. And there's that same guy in every facility. I mean, like, and he's the guy walking around. And when you see him walk around the corner towards the locker room, you kind of walk into the

locker room and sit in the corner and kind of like just see where he's going because you don't you know like you don't hear him guys who are in the bubble you don't make eye contact it's like medusa you don't want to make eye contact you mentioned a couple people here brian hoyer's one um Brian hoyer I was talking about on the pod recently uh because I I know it's it's probably stressful for Patriots fans to think about you know two offensive coordinators neither have called offensive plays before this season but Then you got Brian Hoyer. He's been a league like 15 years and he's like, man, could I just call the fucking plays? He's probably sitting in there like, I could help Mac Jones.

So how many voices are too many in an offensive room? And how important is it to have a Brian Hoyer for a Mac Jones in this kind of like transitional time? I think the amount of voices depends on each individual. You know, some guys need to hear one. Some guys need to have, you know, the good cop back. Some guys need to have this, that, and then the veteran type player. I don't know for what Mac needs. But it's definitely a blessing to have a guy like Brian Hoyer who not only knows the New England Patriots system like through and through.

I mean, he's been through the evolution of, you know, Josh McDaniels to Billy O'Brien. And he went and played with Billy. So he's been in that system, but then he's also been in like the Shanahan systems. and he knows that West Coast slang. And I, you know, I went to a practice recently, the joint practice with Oakland and New England. And I saw a lot of concepts that I didn't really recognize. So it looks, you know, potentially like they could be trying to trickling

some of this new West Coast flare outside zone, these little, you know, bootlegs, the double down flats, the crossers. So, you know, it's definitely really good for Mack to have a guy like Brian and especially as a younger type player who Brian's been around Tom Brady through like some of the highest of the highs, the lowest of the lows. You know, and that's the job of the backup quarterback to be that shoulder that a quarterback can lean on, whether he's older, whether he's younger. But he needs to be like that sidekick. Like if he needs confidence, he's got to build him with confidence. If he needs information, he needs to give him information.

And that's what Brian Hoyer can do for Matt Jones. And sometimes he's got to say, like, don't listen to what the fuck they're saying. Sometimes you got to say, hey, Tom Brady, he didn't always go by the concept and where it needed to go on paper. Sometimes you go out there and if you know how to a certain look, you go to a matchup, you go to a guy. You trust, like those are the little nuances that he needs to learn quick to make that offense, you know, what they want to be. So who can he trust? Who's his like, is it Jacobi? Is it like Hunter Henry this year?

like who's a guy that Mack Jones can kind of hang his hat on like where you know Tom hung his hat on Julian Edelman on third down where you needed something that the sticks are like you know when you got to have it who do you go to I think Jacoby Myers has definitely earned that I mean he's been very productive in his last two years I think he's had like he had 80 something catches last year yeah uh you know he gets open he knows the system Hunter Henry like like you said he's a very savvy football player. They can scheme up some things for him if they, you know, if they're scheming over there.

You know, they have some role type player receivers that are pretty good. Aguilar, he can run. Yeah. You got born. Well, Johnny Smith is the guy that I'm really interested to see if they can find a way to get him more involved in the past game. Well, it looks like they got to

give him a lot of catching runs type stuff. You know, he's a big, strong fast body. He's good in the run game. Screens. But like, screens, just drags, just giving diagonals in the flat with open field running. Let him go one-on-one with someone. Like that's a big, you know, so we'll see if they do that. And that's usually what the Patriots are good at.

They're good at, you know, going into a lot of the strengths of their players. Right. Like, Colin plays, what the strength of, you know, if this is a quick guy, if this is a long guy, if this is a guy down, you know, backs out of the backfield. I think they're going to be running the ball heavy. You know, Bill's a zig type guy. If they're zagging, he's going to try to zig or whatever the pain is. You know, a lot of the league right now is built up with these edge rushers that are getting up the field,

these sideline to sideline linebackers, you know, what are they built for right now? They got these running backs. They got a stable running backs. You know, hopefully their offensive line can go and they can run the football and set up the play action because that makes the game a lot easier for a younger quarterback. a guy trying to find his rhythm. Why do you think they let J.C. Jackson walk? He's expensive, wouldn't he?

He was expensive, but one thing the Pats have always had, one thing y'all always had was somebody who could take somebody away. It's tough to keep players when they ball out and they do great. That's just how it is. I don't know what the cap numbers are. I know. That's why I left in 2016. I just, I was just too much ball.

It's just too much ball. What people don't realize, there's still, Patriots are still paying for the last 20 years. Yeah, right. exactly that's what people don't realize like there's still yeah there's like they're still paying some of tom shit probably they're still paying like like when it comes to the cap to the like the team yeah and we were just talking about this in jacksonville we were talking about i asked you i was like does it ever get hard because you were giving me shit about being paid high and like how

defensive ends we we get broke off and that sort of thing what's a very important position if you're white you have to have tattoo according to nico you do according to nicoe nicoe Niko didn't get paid because of his because a lack of tattoos, let him tell him. No, Niko didn't get paid because he never left the nest. Niko was very comfortable and Niko was afraid to go somewhere else to swim in the deep end. He just wanted to be a Patriot Way guy and that's what happens. But the question is like, do you sometimes do you look around the league and you're like, fuck, this guy's getting just broke off now. Like we thought we had money.

Now these contracts are crazy and Christian Kirk is the one this office. season that he reset the the receiver market and I'm not mad at him I'm happy for him but you know we we got talking about Jacksonville and the in the fact that like you that's what you do when you're not a coveted free agency landing spot you have to pay these guys what are you incentivizing them with and you come from a place where it was much the opposite which is kind of interesting like for a long time you know people took the haircut and now people aren't going to take the haircut as much to come up to new england so it's a whole different ball game it's a very different ball game and And we were saying that when we're older, the older guys back in the day were saying that

when we were getting money. And that's just when the league is growing at such a rapid rate with the ratings and the amount of money that TV contracts are worth, the money's got to go somewhere. And I'm happy it's going to the players. You know, they deserve that. And that's part of what we did for the game, you know, and that's how it goes. Yeah. Every time someone gets paid, you're like, man.

That's a whole lot of money. It's not jealousy, but it's not jealousy, but it's like, it's like more envy and jealousy and jealousy are different. Envy, jealousy seems kind of like, you know, it's like a peaceful jealousy. It's like, you know, like, I envy that guy. You know, it'd be nice to be him, you know, it'd be nice to be him. The way I envy like being Tom Brady or something, you know, it's like that would be nice. Renfro making 14-0. I mean.

So, okay, perfect. Hunter Renfro. We know all these numbers. You're like, geez. So Hunter Renfro, why'd you pick Hunter Renfro? Because I think he's pretty fucking good. I think he's worth it. And did you see the pivot podcast where him and Ryan Clark were talking? Well, it was Derwin James and Ryan Clark. And Ryan Clark was asking him who were some of the longest days at receiver that he has to deal with. And he named a couple, you know, superstars. And then he named Hunter Renfro, who, in my opinion, is kind of like, bordering on being a household name, but there's one thing about him that Ryan pointed out that he looks like an accountant, and Derwin James was like, yeah, do you watch film like this guy?

Do you remember ever feeling the kind of like, you know, that backhanded compliment kind of cycle that you get being a white wide receiver? Do you remember kind of feeling that way ever? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as a white receiver, you feel that all the time. That's your chip. but like a lot of the times guys would underplay your athleticism and then it would creep up on them and then they're screwed yeah that's true you know what I mean like I used to play with it you play it yeah yeah so I didn't mind I thought it was a you know it was it fueled you he's pretty interesting because when I watch like slot receivers they all seem now here I am being you know generalizing but shorter strike guys like you were a shorter strike guy with like

like really precise footwork and like you hard cuts but his cuts are like his body type he's a he's a bit longer he's like kind of a dancer he you know he really will step outside his body and make cuts and like it's pretty it's pretty cool watching him like do you have somebody he reminds you of like maybe a cross racial uh comp you know so we don't follow in longer danny okay well that dude he's like a longer i was like give me a it's like give me a cross racial com for Hunter Renfro and he said yeah I can do that give you a longer

Danny he's Italian he's Italian he's Italian yeah yeah yeah you know yeah it's all I know is the guy is smooth he's got like I watched him recently yeah he's smooth

he's got he's got like a saviness about him and he sets up his routes and he's never out of his frame he almost loves you to sleep with stuff yeah what's in a white Russian. What are the two ingredients in a white Russian? Is it milk and vodka? It's just milk. So I guess

I got to call him whole milk because he's smooth and he's white. Whole milk. That's what we're going to call him on this podcast from now on. Whole milk? Whole milk. Well, if we think it's something better. Or like, I mean, I'm in California. We call him oat milk. Oh, milk. Yes, dude. He's a West Coast guy now. He's oat. He's oat milk.

He's oat milk. He's blue. Yeah. He's blue and he. He's blue and he. Oatmeal Grandfro A star is born No, I'm psyched about him He's also on my fantasy team

Can I tell you a couple of the players On my fantasy team And you can tell me If you like any of these wide receivers Oh you got a draft is Monday Oh good Have you named your team yet? I haven't

Last year What was I? I was I think I was Ernie Adams family Oh nice Bernie Adams family. We love Ernie Adams.

All right. So my wide receivers, I snagged AJ Brown early. I think he's going to have a big year. He's hungry because you've been hearing about Debo all this all this time. He's the original like little dude and he's kind of banged up last year. He's hungry and it's country. Where's he at? He's in, he just left.

He's where's he in Philly? Philly. Yeah. So it's a little bit of a homer pick for me. I got A.J. Brown. I got Kyle Pitts at tight end. I snag DJ. more.

Good. Your guy, St. Brown, who you were, you were hyping up. That guy's yoked. He's not even just that, but like I saw, I remember watching him last year. Like, who's this guy? He just kept on making plays. Yeah. And, you know, when you make plays and you're on that kind of a team, you know,

golf's a smart guy. He's going to go to the guy. He's going to make plays. He's going to be targeted a lot. No question. He averaged 12 targets last year. Yeah, he's going to make me money. I did draft Renfro

Iyuk who's out in San Francisco who's going to have I think a bigger role in that offense this year I hear he's really fast they're liking him yeah big athletic and then this guy

Dobbs in Green Bay I mean Aaron Rogers I feel like we have this conversation every year by the way Sky Moore and George Pickens I have a whole group of rookies here and I think George Pickens is going to be really good

but Steelers. Pittsburgh. Still us. Yeah. Stel us kid. So Danny and Dola retired, man. For people that didn't pay close enough attention to his career, because he did play in St. Louis for a while, all right?

Like, you know, it's not exactly a place that stars are born. But then he ends up in New England. He's obviously instrumental in a lot of y'all's playoff runs. And then he even finishes career strong in dystopian places like Detroit or Houston. So, I mean, like obviously. everybody loves what you did in New England. They remember the big heroic, iconic catches in the playoffs, that sort of thing. But like, people don't pay enough attention to what he did on shitty teams to finish his

career. Like, I was just so impressed with his entire career arc. And I wasn't just saying that because he's a friend. Tell me your reflections on like playing with Danny and what he meant to those teams. I mean, Danny's just an overall great guy to have younger players. watch. Yeah. He's a pivotal, like, he's a pivotal piece to all those teams on, like, the little runs

that they had in the little cultures that they did gain. When he went to Miami, he went to Houston, he came out, he, what does he do? He scores touchdowns. He goes. He's playing banged up. He's just the ultimate, like, Navy SEAL football player. Like, he's on a mission. He doesn't care where he's at.

He loves a team. He always plays for. And he's just like a little badass. He takes everything serious. He practiced hard. I mean, he got mad at the training staff once. I don't know, for some stupid reason. This guy, he starts taping his own ankles pre-practice.

I'm like, Dolah, what do you do? He's like, I don't need them. I got this. He starts taping his own ankle. Like, he's just a guy that adjust to anything. Yeah. You know, when you're in battle and you're in like a tight situation, you want guys like Danny and Dola, you know, with you.

No question. Because you know, you know he's going down until he dies or until he gets carried off the field. I mean, he was one of the best teammates I ever had. He was a huge part of my career. He came in and they paid Dola. And I was on a one-year deal. And we kind of, you know, we play receiver.

There's only so many receivers. Yes. We were boys beforehand. We met in L.A. started training together. And then all of a sudden, Homeboy goes, MIA on me during free agency during this year. And usually, you know, we're hanging out.

Yeah. And I'm like, what's going on? And then he signs with the past. But, like, that made us closer. Like, my guy was a huge part of, like, he just knows how to bring people up when they're not in the right head space. He's just steady eddy. and that's that's danny i mean i remember one time we were in um we're playing cincinnati and

it was like a torrential downpour and a two-minute drive and we needed to score a touchdown and like i'm sitting there and i got my leather gloves on and i'm trying to like wipe them off i'm like dola you got a towel he just looks at me he's got bare hands he goes there are no towels And we went out there, we ended up losing that game. But that became a saying. Hey, that's a fucking daddy story for you, too. He goes, they're hard no time. Dead serious.

Dead serious. This is his little beak. All right. Another old friend, Josh McDaniels. You talked a little bit with Ryan the other day, so I don't want to make you just cover the same ground. But, you know, Josh, his first stint as a headcount. coach took a lot of shit. Like, so this was right after he was let go in, in Denver.

He came and was OC in St. Louis. And I got to know Josh. And what I, what I noticed was that a lot of the things that I assumed would be true about him because of what I heard or what I saw on TV, you know him running around like a maniac after a regular season win and that sort of thing. Like, they, that wasn't Josh.

And I think like sometimes being a head coach brings things out in you that like maybe, especially when you're young that you, you know, like, you didn't plan to act that way or you didn't have there was no roadmap to being a head coach 10 years later you know more than 10 years later he gets another stint in in Vegas you know there was the indie thing which i know the backstory on that do you know the backstory on that no but i i think because of that whatever story during that super bowl i just i just i said this on I just did an AMA on Reddit.

I read some of it. During that Super Bowl, everyone, you know, like, I was with Guy Fietti, and we were going to the box, and it was a, the Colts box. And I was in the box for five minutes, putting popcorn in my mouth, and I got tapped, and I got asked to leave the box, and guy had tickets for me. No way. Yeah. And so, wait, you got, you got kicked out of a suite?

Got kicked out of the suite. So you're hanging out with Guy Fieri? No, Guy. stay in the suite, I ended up going to the next suite because there was a Patriot box right next door, but why did you get kicked out? Because it was the Colts box. They didn't want me in there. Oh, that's fucked up. And that was, and I think, but that was when, like, Josh was going to go and he ended up not going. So I don't know if there was something where they pitched about that and like, oh, little, let's get him out of here. No, I think, I think what happened is that Josh showed up

in Indy and, and there was an off-putting kind of like exchange between him and somebody high up. And I think he took a lot of the hit for that. But like, I think it was one of those things where you show up and you're like, okay, like, this is what I'm walking into. No, thank you. Like some things are non-negotiable and this isn't quite right. From what I understand.

So, like, I do think that he kind of silently fell on that sword. Some people said he'd never get another opportunity after indie. I think that speaks to not only the fact that people know what happened behind the scenes, but also that he's a pretty damn good coach. What do you think like he learned over those 10 years? You know how, like, guys try to mimic Bill? Do you think he's going to try to be exactly like Bill in Vegas, or you think he's going to put his own spin on it?

I think he's definitely going to put his own spin on it. I think he probably tried to do that in Denver when he got that opportunity. Regardless of what the Indianapolis situation was or wasn't, I think he's stepping into a great situation in Las Vegas with the tools that he has. And also, I think a huge, a huge addition to go over with him is Dave Ziegler. having Dave Ziegler there. Those guys, they went to college together. They're close.

And they can, and Dave can kind of sit back and, like, you know, they can bounce things off each other. Like, how is the team like? And you know what I mean? Like, I think it's going to be a good relationship for them. You know, Josh would be the first one to tell you that he learned probably a bunch of things during his stint in Denver because what was he 30? He was 34.

Dude, I'm trying to imagine being a head coach at 37 and I'm just not. I think he was really young. Yeah. He was, I mean, so emotional, not emotional. He probably learned those lessons of what he has to do. He's got a template now of how he probably wants to run the organization because of those 10 years where he's like, man, well, you know, if I would have had this on these days and we could have done, you know,

there's all these little intricate, like scheduling details, you know, picking what the athletes eat. Like the head coach deals with everything. That's what people don't realize. Travel. travel, you know, having the right people around him, having the people that knows what he likes around him handling football operations. I think that's the key to having a real good chance of succeeding in the National Football League.

And he's got that past experience of how shit didn't work. Yeah. How shit hit the fan. How you're supposed to act, how you're not supposed to act, how you're supposed to address the media. He probably took a lot of time because this is his ultimate goal. He wanted to be a head coach. He took a lot of time.

I'm like, man, maybe I, he's a guy that learns. He's a learning guy. I'll give that to Josh, man. Josh is, he learns his people. He tries his ass off. He loves football. He's a fucking smart guy. Yeah.

And I think he's going to have an opportunity to succeed over there. I do too. I really do. I mean, you think about a team that was in the playoffs last year. And obviously, Basachi and those guys, there were some really good coach on staff. It wasn't easy to say goodbye to them because it's kind of like one of those. If it's not broke, don't fix it. And it really wasn't broken.

It was broken midway through the year, but they looked to be moving in the right direction. But he raises their ceiling, Josh does. So I'm excited for them. I'm excited for him. Because, you know, I don't think most people, and the reason I'm asking you, because you know them very well. I just think a lot of people think of the indie thing. They think of the Denver thing, and they get the wrong idea about the guy.

I never had an issue with the guy. I thought getting along with players is not really like something I think he's going to struggle with. I do think it's all those things that you learn over a decade. say because a lot of young coaches they get tapped to coach and what are you going to do turn it down uh no you're going to take your your first opportunity and so many of these first opportunities are a uh fucked up opportunities and b you're not prepared because like you're you're in the shit you're being a coordinator a position like you don't have time to assemble your staff some of these first opportunities are these coaches actually getting their first time getting a paycheck

yeah yeah and they've been grinding their dicks off yeah making chunk chain you know you know like Like, coaches don't make money in New England. We all know that. And you get offered a couple million bucks. You know, you got to take care of the wife, the family. They've been over here with you the whole time. And you got to make the quality of life. So I think he's learned a lot from that as well.

And I think the pieces that he has around them, I mean, you already look. Look at the preseason stats. I mean, they were saying something. I was watching the Raiders game. They barely had any penalties. Right. Like, that's instant coaching. Yeah.

That's instant coaching of, like, and the Raiders lead penalties all the time. If you could take something like that out, you're going to win a game or two, you know, that then instead of being eight and eight or eight and nine, you can be 10 and nine or 10 and seven, you know, there's little things like that out up. And he has the template. He's been around Bill. He knows, you know, little stupid things on ball security drills on, you know, how we're going to deal with the blitz having like your your offense working while the defense is working little drills on like you know blitz pickup period you know screen people like all these little functional football yeah like all this situational football stuff that's like beyond like let's just go run team periods let's really hone in on the specifics here and I think they're going to be a well coached team I want to ask you about about Josh because for a while I thought like how long is it's

is Bill going to coach, right? Like some people speculate they didn't bring in an offensive coordinator because they don't want to bring in an outsider, right? Like they were like, fuck it, we'll make it work with who we have. You know how they keep everything so tight there. I'm sitting there thinking for long periods of time. Who's the guy that's going to succeed Bill one day? How long do you think Bill wants to coach?

And do you think like the day he says, fuck it, I'm done, whether that's 10 years from now, like, is it going to be somebody in the building or is Robert going to be like, is RKK going to be like, I need the hottest name in coaching? Depends on the time of the period. that of that decision. Yeah. How's the team doing?

What's the team? You know, who's the star of players? There's so many variables. You can't even just predict that. I mean, you can have a plan, but I don't, I don't know the plan by the, you know, the craft family of what they would do, you know, when Bill wants to hang them up. And I don't even know when Bill wants to hang him up. Yeah, that's the big question.

Like, when, he's like three or four years away from like all-time win record, I think. you know and that motherfucker's competitive yeah i don't he's never said anything about it to me or anything like that but that dude likes to compete you know and and he's not doing this for no fucking reason you know he's got he's he he loves winning that got 38 games 38 games 308 games you know three four C that's two tom brady seasons and five mac jones seasons that actually that's not that bad i've just say you know like it's somewhere in there i'm joking i know that math doesn't check out i just saw this video from you. It was a deleted scene, I guess, from your, from your, from your, from your, from your,

documentary, 100% Edelman. There was a scene in there where you were talking about getting in the hot tub with, with Bill. And we do this thing on this pod called code break. This definitely sounds like a code break to me. There is a code among men that you don't get in a hot tub naked and Bill broke that code. Full. Full break of the code. And I was at a point of my career where I couldn't say anything about it. I just had to wear a short version in their late night. In like March or like right after we like

we're in rookie OTAs or rookie mini camp. Just proud to be a patriot. Yeah. In the hot tub, staying late. Yeah. In the cold tub, getting free Gatorade shakes. I went to Kansas State. We didn't get free shit. Okay. The fact that I could get a towel and not have to like go check in for it and shit, like that shit was awesome.

Mm-hmm. Going to the hot tub, it's late at night. this and Bill like we lock eyes and and like I like it was an old facility so you walk through the door and like I had to go in the hot tub after we locked eyes or I he would have just fucking out of this shit out of me which he already like with it was doing with his eyes like get in there and the the bubbles are on so you can't see and you can't see that there's no shorts but you're assuming sitting there you know i'm trying to like go on my phone a little bit and and like it was just real awkward for

like three minutes and i think for him to kill the awkwardness he was like i'm gonna get out gets out bare knuckle berry i it took me everything in my heart not to like like say something or i just kind of like i turned my head slightly i turned my head slightly so i you know i wouldn't just all of a sudden whoa hey whoa coach dude and uh yeah that that was the story man

and we just so in like after that I put my shit on I was trying to get the fuck out of there quick because I was like I was traumatized you know there's there's really there really is a bar like there's a brocode in hot tub like this isn't fucking we're not in like Croatia at a Scandinavian spa it's not Eastern promises

there's no Eastern promises like you got the great NFL shorts there's a big ass bucket yeah everyone knows where they are go pick up your shorts put your shit on and get in there and so I'm leaving and we hit the hallway you know that long ass

hallway yeah we hit at the same time and we walked out together that's when you got a stall so you can walk just like you know act like you forgot something yeah but I was on my phone I was probably like texting slate like I can't believe i just saw bellichick naked in the fucking halls i was like oh my god and then we walked

out and that was the that was the time i go like hey coach pretty cool that you're here and he goes it beats being a plumber i'll see it tomorrow so he barred uncle buried me and then he out with me bro but and then after after i've told that story bill goes out and he goes you know i just want to let you no, there's nothing wrong with being a plumber. Yeah, you don't want to alienate a whole trade union. I mean, like, there's a lot of plumbers in New England. Like, he's kind of called a plumber, and there's going to be brown water coming out of his toilet. Well, there's that with Bill.

And then there's also, he used to just walk in. Like, we'd get sweet tea on Fridays, and they'd have, like, something catered in with, like, I forget what it was. It was like a junk food meal. It was, like, the only one. Shout out to Ted, because Ted always had. fire food, but they had a nice, like, fried chicken meal or something, and there would be, like, these big jugs of sweet tea. And my man would always come in there and just grab his own

jug of sweet tea. Like, he would just have his own personal jug of sweet tea. And I was just thinking to myself, like, it's his fucking house, man. Like, this is his house. It is his house, because I've seen him go into the snack drawers. You know, you got, like, all the snacks, like you got, like, the raisins and the tromix, and there's, like, the scoopers. I've seen my guy pick up, pick up the freaking thing and put his hand in there. Haven't ate from it since. Have it, haven't ate from it since.

But hey, it's his house. There's his raisins now. They were definitely just alpha mood. That's so good, dude. That's so good. I had to go to dinner with Bill. I didn't have to.

I was excited. Well, I was more terrified. Al Groh was my college coach and they're like from the same tree. And so when I got up there, like the first week, Grow was like, hey, you want to go to dinner with me and Bill?

I'm like, I'm not going to say no. So I went to hang him and ate dinner with Bill and Al Groh. Like I'd known Bill for like five days. I was so, so nervous, dude. He's cool in a regular environment. He's super cool, but it's like, okay, this guy might cut me at some point, like in the near future here. I mean, you know.

See, that's what you got to respect though, that off the field, he doesn't, he's not going to hold no, he's not going to hold a grudge or anything. He's going to do what's best what he feels for the team. And, you know, a lot of, a lot of clarity and a lot of that honest. like that is it I'd rather have that than a guy that's two-faced that's over here feeding you you know pipe dreams then all of a sudden you get your head cut off and you get hurt like that's there's something about that it's like man-to-man business shit but that's what you're going to miss about retirement to kind of put you know uh close the loop on the retirement that's that's that's that's what you're going to miss not being around people that shoot you straight you know it's a it's a

hard thing like you're used to being in in a locker room of 53 guys and coaches if you're lucky that every all communication is very direct and like very you know and it's it's hard to transition into retirement where you don't have that team anymore and you don't have that kind of like hard edge communication and um bill was was great at it yeah my experience they're leaving there it was super chill it was like hey man i got to go i was like i i got to look for a better opportunity like i loved it here and he was fucking awesome about it not he didn't really need me or anything but he was just cool about it and then a year later like text him he texts back vice versa so I never expected to think, like, of all my head coaches,

if I had to expect a text back from any of them within a day, it'd probably be Bill. And I just never would have guessed that. I only played there a year. But to your point, like, he can separate football from personal. And he really is a good guy. I like Bill. Okay, Jules, two things that I love about retirement.

We'll close the show with those. Gambling and podcasting. First thing, I want to ask you, because we're both win-met kids. You last year supposedly placed a couple of big kids. bets that was legit okay what were they 50 grand on the bucks to make the super bowl and 50 grand for the past to make the super bowl that had to hurt well that was ever kind of quick the Patriots can get a first down in in the divisional round against the bills yeah at least

50 down I had a little I had a little I still was in the I had a little skin in the game with Brady yeah I thought he was going to get there yeah damn Matt Stafford fucking Cooper Cup gets that blitz zero down the middle of the field like what are we doing dr doom over here i haven't told anybody this but i lost 25 000 on tom brady uh against the saints uh in a regular season game i was chasing and i was down 25 000 and i put the balance on on on the bucks and it was like a money line deal and you know how they're always like don't bet against tom brady i was like yep i won't and then the saints uh they took all my money Saints come marching in against them bucks.

They do, dude. I mean, it's sometimes you're sitting there. Like, I don't know how they get these wins. Was there a team like that when you guys played that like gave Tom Fits? The Ravens. Yeah, the Ravens. Ravens used to play us because they had Helodiannautia. You get that pressure up in the middle.

Yeah. You know, Tommy liked that spot. Tommy like the spot seven yards behind the center. Yeah, well, Ryan Jensen's gone. The whole deal. I mean, he's going to be out there. he's going to have to move that spot a little bit this year, I think. Yeah, it's going to be, that's, that's scary.

They lost the guard. They lost their center. Didn't those three, three other starters? Yep, yeah. And then the guys that were replacing those guys got hurt this week. So, yeah, we're praying for Tom. But then the big question is this. Who's going to be on your, your new podcast, games with names,

with your buddy Sam, who seems like a lot of fun to podcast with? He's, dude, he's too funny. He's really funny. I mean, he dropped some real crazy stuff. And like, I don't even know, like, I'm new to this stuff, so I don't even know how to react to it. And like, when you, when you're dealing with like a professional comic, you know, you can get a, you can get a laugh here and there with like, with your friends and stuff. But these guys are so calculated and they're so witty and jump on things. Like, I think he asked Kurt Warner if he jacks off.

And we all know Kurt Warner. Like, he's a really good guy. I love Kurt Warner. In private. Like, man, you make me want to be a better human being. Like, I love the way you go buy people, you know, at the restaurant. Like, he's a great. But like, this is the stuff I have to deal with, Sam.

It's just fucking, he's a New Yorker. He loves the Giants, the Knicks, the Rangers. There's built-in conflict that's fun to banter around with. We've got to hang out a bunch. I've gone to a bunch of his shows. We've watched football games together, basketball. all like and we've been really trying to hang out and like get to know each other he's actually just a cool ass dude he seems cool man he seems cool you know he's he's really fun to get his perspective

like you know you got an athlete and then you get you know comic or the fan and we sit we talk with athletes or celebrities that were associated with these crazy games that we all remember we all love and it's been you know fun fun to do it you know we've had kurt water like said hopefully he doesn't get mad at me that I don't yeah don't spoil the answer yeah no we got kirk warner we got ap and zambranckey on the boise state oklahoma college football game the statue liberty game wow there was a proposal there was a proposal on the field that game yeah right with you were talking about it i was too i was like i hope i think things worked out for that guy but usually they don't yeah you know we got eli of course which was last week's episode uh we got michael irvin

in Super Bowl 23, which ignited the Cowboys going on that run in the 90s. He's so cool. He's so fun. And I get to work with him weekly. So it's been a fun experience to be around Mike. And he's just a sweet dude, like a sweet human being as well. Like, you know, he's got his energy and this, that, but he's like a real good dude. He'd have been fun to play with.

Did you have Paul Pierce on? Did I hear this? Yeah, we have Paul Pearson talk about the wheelchair game. Did he shoot his pants? Did he not? We will get that answer in games with names. Okay, good. Listen,

games with names, you get to find out a lot of stuff. Does Kurt Warner jack off? No. God, imagine going through life and saying no to that answer. I mean,

like, I hope that's not a headline. I hope I'll get a text from Mr. Warner, you know, like, hey, dude,

because I, geez, man, Kurt Warner's such a good dude. You don't want to, you don't want to, he's like touched by God. He's like touched by an angel.

Yeah. And he, sometimes he's just himself. Yeah, Ricky Williams. Yeah, Ricky Williams on. He was awesome. Yeah. You know,

to talk about when he was at Texas and he beat all of Tony Dorset, like, that was a crazy, that was a crazy decision he made to even go back to that senior year when he was going to be the first pick overall after his junior year.

Did he tell you about, did he tell you about the first time he smoked? Oh, yeah. And what happened and everything? It's just crazy, dude. Like, wait, see,

yeah, Yeah, you got it. Ricky Williams is a legend. So, yeah, Jules, another legend, has a great podcast. It's out. Like I said, you know, I don't want to spoil the biggest guests of the year, but Kyle Long and Chris Long, we're on it, and it'll be out when? Like, where can we catch it?

It's out every Tuesday. Oh, Julian Adam and everybody. Go check out his new show, games with names with Sam. How do I say his last name? Morrell. Morale. Morale? Like the mushrooms.

Yeah. heard a couple times couple different ways i asked him i was like some guy called you sam moral yeah what is it he's like he doesn't care yeah sounds like a comedian all right man thank you for your time bro thank you for having me on your podcast mister