Green Light with Chris Long - Kenny Mayne! Wiffle Ball vs Ken Griffey Jr, Celebrity Softball & Horse Racing! Nico Iamaleava & NIL in the NCAA!

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

Kenny Mayne joins Chris and Macon for an episode of pure entertainment. Kenny's Wiffle Ball documentary, out now on fubo tv, revisits the day that Kenny and Ken Griffey Jr threw Wiffle balls together in Seattle with the documentary investigating who threw a Wiffle ball faster - Ken or Kenny. Plenty of other stories are told by Kenny - the worst moments of his broadcasting career, celebrity softball games with Howie Long, talking to Jack Nicholson at the Ali-Holmes fight and the recounting of Chris' golf tournament. Chris and Macon also send Happy Trails to Patrick Peterson and talk about Nico Iamaleava and the impact NIL is having on the NCAA. (00:00) - Intro (5:00) - Patrick Peterson's Retirement (10:22) - Nico Iamaleava and NIL in the NCAA (31:25) - Kenny Mayne on Throwing Wiffle Balls with Ken Griffey Jr, Celebrity Softball Games with Howie Long & Worst Broadcasting Moments of Career Make sure to check out Kenny Mayne at the People's Improv Theater in New York City on April 24th! - https://thepit-nyc.com/events/kenny-mayne-jokes-a-movie/ Green Light Podcast March Madness Tournament! Click the link below to fill out the form granting you entry into the GLP bracket! Prizes include 1st place $500, 2nd place $250, 3rd place $100 in Bet MGM gift cards. Must be 21+ to be eligible for a prize. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScbnomKvB7t2zNKqvKNMstq_P2HClxciUC95moAHD-mDIKcyg/viewform Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out https://greenlightpodcast.org/ for everything merch wise and then some! Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light's YouTube Channel, where you can catch all the latest GL action: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While you were talking about that, it reminded me of the time you played in a celebrity baseball game in Seattle at the All-Star game. Yeah, 2001. And you ran through a wall. I also gave you and your brother Candy. You guys were like 13, 14, somewhere in that neighborhood. You knew who your dad was. I didn't know about you guys yet. But yeah, I snuck you guys candy.

Then in the game itself, Alvin Davis, former Mariner Great, crushes a home run. This softball were playing. and they would have like a temporary fence. So it's only like a 220 foot home run or whatever. His is almost going to the real fence at three something. I think I'm pulling it back. I'm running for it. And I slam into the temporary aluminum fence that the kids are holding up.

Your dad comes running over. I'm on the ground now. And he says, are you okay? And I just looked at it. I said, I'm not well. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BedMGM. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code green light and you will get up to a $1,500 first bet offer on your first wager with

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Enjoy it, and we'll be back later this week. Make sure you stay tuned. So we just wrapped a conversation with Kenny Main, sports media legend, current... Reid, would you say director, producer of documentary Kenny Maine's Wiffle Ball? I think he does it all. I think in the beginning of it, he said, director, producer, writer, star.

Not a whole lot of overhead in his operation. No. No, no, he's sleek. You know, he can change course quickly if the documentary changes course. I think the quote Ken Burns said in the documentary was like, oh, this is a simple production. Hey, Kenny's, bro, that's funny. Kenny's so good. and we love having them on.

It is talking to Kenny can be like wrestling the funniest the funniest that you've ever met. I mean, it's really hard to stay on topic. So what you're going to do is listen to us, talk to Kenny for an hour, about 1,500 things. Yeah, he was just here in Charlottesville for your charity event, and he's effortlessly funny. Like it's not a put on. That's his one gear.

He does not have other gears to switch to. It's just, it's all over the place and yet never not hilarious. Yeah, and he was awesome for the, for the golf tournament. Like 10-day notice was like, yeah, I'll co-host it. Like we had Jason Kelsey last year. And then as the golf tournament got closer, everybody was like, well, who's the co-hosts? this year and I was like, oh, fuck about that. So, next to the Kenny Maine,

and he was like, absolutely, I'll do it. Came to Charlottesville and just crushed it. So I figured we'd do a little follow-up here. He's going to pitch his documentary, which is out on Fubo right now, busted into Fubo just to watch it. I don't do that for anybody. Not much to talk about today.

I mean, like, this is admittedly the slowest time in sports, in my opinion. I'm excited about the NBA playoffs. I will be watching the NBA playoffs all about that. We got some retirements in football, Patrick Peterson, for one. Listen, incredible player. One of the coolest dudes, like, I was looking back at when he actually got in the league. It was 2011. One of the few players left that I can honestly say I played against twice a year when I was in my prime.

And watching that kid coming to league, he's not a kid now, he's 13. 34 years old, freshly retired, but he was one of those guys that like immediately, you know, as a Hall of Famer, you know, just effortless, made everything look easy, the ball skills, the leadership, the athleticism, the, you know, like he had a magnetic personality. You could tell just by playing against him. So, um, just a legend, man. And to retire as a Cardinal, very cool. Um, and I looked at that team, I was like, I wonder how many guys are still in the league from that 2011 Cardinals team. Any guesses? 2011, we're in 25 now. That's 14. You figure a rookie has a shot. I'll say one other.

One. One. And he's not a rookie at this point as Callais Campbell. Right. What a draft mate, which very poetic is coming back to Arizona to finish his career, which is like super cool. You talk about a storybook career. Good for. him and you know like honestly at this point i fully embraced the fact that i'm a middle age man like truly if i'm lucky i'm a middle age man and uh i can remember talk about like a generation going by you blink and you're like holy shit but this guy's still playing football i feel like there was a whole career after i had my career and he's still playing football and he's been playing at a high level um he is one of the most unique talents to ever grace a football field i mean

like just fantastic and a fantastic human being so good on him for for you know ending up back in Arizona and wanted to finish his career there like I was at a playboy all-American weekend with him and like a number of guys like and I look back at those pictures and it feels like a lifetime ago like people are making bad fashion decisions like I own some like hideous jean shorts bad haircuts you know, loose fitting clothing. You know, there are pictures from that event that you had to get developed. Like, like, there are pictures from that event with the date in orange in the bottom of me and guys like Tommy Blake, people who, like Tommy Blake, no idea where he is.

You know, people like Jake Long who had amazing careers and they got cut short because of injuries, you know, Antoine Kaysons of the world, like Akieb to Leaves, like, and, you know, know, great football players, but this guy had the longest career out of any of us. And I can remember sitting in the hotel room with Kaleas because he was at Miami. And we did ACCC Media Day down in Pinehurst. People always ask me what nicest course I ever fucking played. It was probably Pinehurst. And they had all the ACC captains come down.

And like, it was, if that place is haunted, like the ghosts were rolling over in their graves that these guys were tearing this fucking course up. There's just a bunch of meatheads that don't play, putting divots in this course. And then we go back at night and drink beers and kind of hang out. And I can remember him like telling me what he, how he thought it was going to go. He's like, it's going to be you and me, man. Like you and me, it's going to be, we're going to play forever. And shit. And he played twice as long.

I mean, I just, it's so funny. And for those of y'all who are older listening, like when you see your life kind of go by, you know, like, I got a long time left, but 20 years kind of went by. And this dude is still doing the same thing. He should be commended for that. And I'm super excited that he gets to finish in. Like at this point, Michael Jackson's still alive. Michael Jackson, the singer?

Yeah, dude. This is like pre- Michael Jackson. Oh, back then. Yeah. Like, I'm talking about like that. It's so long ago. Think about, oh. You want to hear something a little trippy?

Yeah, sure. And maybe you can tell Kenny's little birthday obsession. Callais and Kenny Maine have the same birthday. No way. Wow. That's crazy. Because Kenny Maine has this birthday theory that I still don't fully understand. He has 27 people.

29. 29 people at the restaurant that we ate at Friday night, what their birthdays were. There was one woman that walked by. God bless her. And Kenny was like, hey, what's your birthday? and she was like, and he goes, like May 5th, for instance.

So he's one of a kind and shares a birthday with Colias Campbell. His theory is if you get 29 people in the same room, at least two people have the exact same birthday. Don't,

don't honestly care. If it was anybody other than Kenny asking 29 people what their birthdays were, it wouldn't play. Like, it would get very old, very fast. Yep.

but he has a magical way about him anything else i'm missing the kid from tennessee is now the poster child for what's wrong with um college sports make do you see his final three what's his final three north carolina and they said they're not interested come on come up with the second one because the third one's a banger i'm not to go back to the second one number three the two lane green wave stop it swear to god they're on the final three list for Nico. Who's the other one, Cowboy? UCLA, UNC, Tulane.

So a little more context around the contract situation Nico has in Tennessee. He signed for $8 million out of high school with Tennessee. It's a four-year deal. His first year was in high school, so he's got three at Tennessee. This was going to be his final year. He didn't have an agent.

He was being read by his dad and a former Florida staffer, who was also a family friend. Going back to the college football playoff, they lost Ohio State after that game. the dad and the family friend were reaching out to other schools, seeing what compensation packages they could bring, all in a quest to bump that NIL number up.

Tennessee didn't know about that. Fast forward to the spring. There was a report the other day that said he was in negotiations with Tennessee. That was in public knowledge. His dad, Nico's father, tweeted out some along the lines of a lot more going on behind the scenes, basically putting it on the university. Then a couple days later was the final practice before the spring game. Nico didn't show.

He didn't tell coaches he was not. going to be there. No response. They try to get in contact with them. Nothing. Josh Heppel walks off the field after practice still can't get in touch and says, we're going to cut ties. We're good. We don't need to draw this out any further. Yeah, the numbers I saw where he was making two and a half and he's seeing other guys get bigger deals and he has a track record and why am I not worth four? It's a Wild West, needless to say, and it's, I think college sports are in need of of a little bit of regulation, some gutters. No question.

No question. Gutter guards to go on this bowling alley of a sport, because it's free agency now without a salary cap. Well, eventually the coaches aren't going to want to do it anymore. And in the beginning, I can remember the coaches being the least sympathetic group and the whole thing because you're like, these kids, people are slinging arrows at these kids for wanting to transfer at all. And, you know, of course, the counter to that is, well, coaches can leave any time for no reason

and make more money and leave these kids in dust. And we've heard tons of stories about how, you know, this coach didn't even call, didn't have a team meeting, just fucked off. And then, you know, like, players are checking it on their phones. Like, hey, my head coach, the guy that sat in my living room and promised my parents something is now, you know, leaving. And you weren't sympathetic to the coaches. But now even as much, like, listen, are they overpaid? Is it a gross mismanagement of funds by a lot of these universities? Has it become ridiculous?

But yeah, now it's ridiculous on the player side too. Promises back then weren't quantifiable. Now the promises are literally a million dollars. Everything is a quid pro quo. And I completely understand trying to get your slice of the pie because the pie is big. And there has to be a way that kids can get paid for their service. and get the and get the accurate slice of the pie without turning it into a fucking constant negotiation it don't i don't care like you know like because i'm not a fan of the sport anymore

really like like and i'm not like one of these people that kind of was like i'm going to protest the sport i work in pro football so i don't have to watch college football and so i don't because i want saturdays off but i'll tell you what i used to love it and um i used to know the the the harsh reality was that college football was shorting these athletes. Now it feels like these kids are not kids anymore. And that's okay. But the flip side of that coin is you can be getting bad advice and get too aggressive and distress yourself as an asset.

And, you know, like I'm trying to think back to being 18, 19 and making some of these decisions. I would have a hard time. And I would be lucky because my dad played in the league. and I think he would be less disruptive, but it's a dangerous time for these kids because you're making decisions that are going to stick with you. This kid, who's a good college football player, is going to be remembered for this. True. And you're making some decisions that will not stick with you because you're entering a portal and doing this four times. You're going to four different schools, a lot of these kids.

My favorite college hoops team took three commitments last week alone. none of the three guys visited the campus. I mean, it's nutty. Oh, and then one of them is already decommitted. Committed was committed for two days. Which is wild. And, you know, like, there was a UVA basketball player who left recently. And, you know, like on the surface, you're like, why would you do that or whatever?

But then you hear what he's making at the other school. And you're like, if I were a college athlete, of course I would skate. You know, if I wasn't going to be an NBA player, you know, it's one thing. you think you're going to be a pro football player, although it's hard to compare the two situations because in football it's 100% injury. And you can lose it at any point. So I certainly understand people trying to get the money now, but you've got to realize, you know, this stuff sticks with you. And at some point, the people calling the shots can build a personality profile on you because of the way you handle yourself as a businessman. Like, I'm sorry. I'm all player empowerment,

but at some point the old school people look correct. You can't just do whatever the fuck you want. Now, another side effect of this whole thing, like, we're talking about high school sports, specialization. You know, like now more than ever, you know, I played four sports in high school, right? And part of that was because I kept getting kicked off baseball trips. so I had to take a year or two off and play lacrosse. Seriously, I got kicked off of how many of John Grisham's baseball trips?

I'm sorry, John. Two. One in Florida at the Sea Turtle Inn. I tried to buy Swisher Suites. And the lady was with somebody else's ID, I was like 13 or 14. 14. Lady was like a police officer parking outside. Like, come on in, sir.

He took me back to the Sea Turtle in. and my coach told me on the elevator ride up that he feels like he stuck his testicles on the table for me and I just smashed him. There was the longest elevator ride ever. Okay, the other one was Atlanta, All-Stars, me and Steve Wickline, I don't know where you are now, Steve. But we sat in the parking lot.

We somehow went and bought some beers. I think we were like 16, sat in the parking lot of this holiday inn, behind the holiday end, and just got shit-faced. And the way we got caught was we went back to our room and started prank calling the coaches. But I got kicked off a couple of baseball trips and ended up playing lacrosse.

So I played four sports. Kids aren't going to do that anymore. Like, and I don't blame them. Like, honestly, as a parent, if my kid's pretty good at basketball, and I'm pretty aware that I'm coming from a privilege point of view where I grew up with enough money to not need my college career to be make or break for me, right? But a kid who's growing up and doesn't know what his future holds and doesn't have disposable income or a safety net and plays three sports,

all of a sudden gets a little better at basketball. Like, you can be a solid division one player right now and make a couple mill. Like, why would I not just have my kid doing the fucking mic and drill in perpetuity? Like, that is life-changing money. So it's created a situation where I think high school sports might be a necessary collateral damage. If you really like the free market, this is what happens and it's messy. And I think there needs to be guardrails. I think we need to figure out.

It's obviously eventually going to have to be a collective bargaining agreement, right? Yeah, because the other thing is, all these Power 4 teams are recruiting the portal. They're not recruiting high school kids. They're not recruiting high school seniors. They're building their team through the portal. And then if they add one or two high school kids, okay, great. And that becomes the recruiting class for a basketball team. A few more guys for a football team, but you start with the guys who have already shown what they can do usually at smaller schools.

So a lot of these high school kids are going to smaller schools and they're a farm system for these power four teams. Yeah. It's pro sports. And then you don't get as many upsets come tournament time and that sort of thing which we talked about. So it changes college sports. And I get it like, listen, we all want college players to get paid and knew eventually if it did it would get messy. But I think some things are just kind of ridiculous. And it doesn't make you anti-player to be like, you know, like, come on, bro.

Like, hey, it's your right. Hold out a spring practice. but like it reads like an onion article. Yeah. It really does. I mean, and you're like, damn, how do you, how do you fix this? And it probably eventually is a CBA or something like that. The transfer portal thing, I know we're talking about like, like, NIL funds and just the whole landscape.

But like, I really do believe it sets a bad precedent for players to be able to leave. You know, it's the classic, hey, these coaches are so fucked up, yada, yada, yada. They're bad people. You leave when things get hard. And I know they're getting paid. But it doesn't justify them players being able to do it. Like, you don't justify an action like that with another action like that that you've deemed for years to be low character. I understand that some players need to be able to transfer, right?

And I think in football, especially quarterbacks, like, I think quarterbacks should be able to move around, right? But if you're a position player, it's kind of like decisions matter, right? And if you make a decision, you should have to stick with it for more than a year. I don't know if it's two years. I don't know what it is. But like, guess what? When you grow up and you make decisions, some of them you can't undo. So for a college football player to be every year, like, I don't like it here.

I'm not getting enough snaps. Like, you know, this coach doesn't like me. I'm not getting enough looks. And half the time, the guys aren't even really that good, right? So they're doing this and robbing themselves of a college experience to bounce around because they can't commit to something and go through the hard shit. Dude, like, I know I sound old right now. Making, you can check me if I sound too old.

but I do think there are lessons to be learned for going through hard shit. Like I would have transferred from Virginia if it was easier. After my freshman year, we were running a three, four, that never changed. You know, I'm in a four, four, I like stacking up Stefan higher and people like that at Maryland, like they outweigh me by 100 pounds. And I wasn't happy. And grow was tough. And he became like my best friend.

But had I not stuck it out, who knows where my life would be? You know, and I'm not saying every kid needs to do that. But there are lessons to be learned sticking it out a year longer. And I know there's a finite amount of time. And maybe, maybe because they're not students anyways, right? We've kind of accepted this. Maybe four years is in the window. You know, maybe we add a fifth year of eligibility for people.

Like to justify making you stick to it a little bit longer at a certain destination. And it's tricky in football because every time you take the field, you can get hurt. And the longer you play, the more you're damaged goods. So a year in football, I mean, that's more important than two years in basketball. And I understand that. But there are lessons you can learn. And I don't like the way things are going. And now I find myself at 40 years old, like feeling like the old man yelling at the cloud a little.

where I'm like, this is fucked. This is fucked. And I'm not mad. You know how you get these people who are online and they're like, it's usually like Joe Fan, it was like the white guy that didn't want to see the young black athlete get paid. Like those guys, they're mad because you've ruined the product for them in their minds. I'm not that guy. I just don't care.

Like I've got three kids and I do pro football for a living. you're just going to lose me. Yeah. And there's a lot of people you're going to lose. And you could argue that college football has maybe never been more popular. I don't know. I don't know. You certainly don't have the, you don't learn the player's names when they're not at a place longer than a few months.

It's hard to really form the bonds that are going to, like the, you just brought it up. Fans. You have to get attached to a player. at some point. Like that was what made it special. Like, you know, like Nate Collins walks around town here and people stop and like, you're Nate Collins. I remember you played and, you know, yada, yeah.

There's just not that same connection to the players that are passing through universities. And eventually, will it affect the product? I think so. Or will it affect the viability of the product? I think so. It's already affected the product. It'll affect everything from top down.

And it just becomes the minor leagues, bro. Yeah. Like who the fuck wants to watch the watch? minor league football they try to do it every year USFL, XFL, like how many iterations of not as good as the NFL do we have to see to realize that like

when the football quality is not great, people don't give a fuck. Also, how about the benefactors here? I understand a lot of people have a ton of money and a lot of disposable income, but, oh yeah, I just dropped two mill on a quarterback

for my alma mater to go seven and five. Like, is that a sound you're silly rich you're like silly rich dude i don't get it man i don't i don't get that i could understand funding scholarships a little more that made sense but just dropping a bag on a kid and you have good luck he doesn't play roll the ball out there yeah how's he doing oh he tore his ACL in spring you're all sorry about it we're going to need you to run that bag back for next season yikes dog do you think it feels more personal when they don't play your your your your bought kid than it does when like a coach says something mean to your biological kid yes and then you're

calling up the coach being like hey where's my kid oh your kid not that kid the kid i paid for and then the coach is trying to explain to the fucking like a state planner who has a bunch of money that like he's just he doesn't set the edge yes like you know like it's like a parody they're like they're very funny if you didn't care about college football there'd be a lot of funny things going on right now it's just it's it's silly no i don't know fuck this kid's going to go down in history what if this kid's the kid That's just we've had enough. And it sucks to talk bad about kids,

but when you're asking for this much money, you are no longer a kid, right? And like, maybe this kid or a young man, maybe this young man is the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe they're like, no, this guy's, come on, you're way too, you're way too mid at the position to be asking for this kind of money. and I would never say that unless you were asking for this kind of money.

But maybe like the college football world at large, because this feels a little bit like the most ridiculous thing I've seen. Then here are people are in the middle of the playoffs asking for more money, which you cannot do in the pros. Is it fucked up that you're not just splitting the bag with college football and all the TV deal money and everything? Like yes, but you can't in the current set of circumstances go in the middle of the play. if you're going to do it, do it like in mass.

Like get the other quarterbacks for the other teams to say, hey, we ain't suing up. We got you here. We ain't suing up until you rip up your agreement with the TV people and give us a cut. Do it like an adult. When you do it like this, you're just an independent contractor. And eventually you're like, I don't want to deal with that contractor. Because he's like, and that's the way it's going to go on the workforce, too.

We got a point guard from Oklahoma. Who doesn't? And his dad was on X.com, you know, and a fan of the team said, oh, this will be great depth at the guard position. And the dad was like, excuse me? Depth? Because the club brought in a BYU kid as well. Well, the Oklahoma kid has decommitted. He's no longer.

going to be in the fold at this mystery school that I'm that I'm referencing. Don't know if he got paid a signing bonus or not. God bless Stanford Steve because he knows where everybody is. Yes, he does, but that's going to get harder too. Like, where did, you know, where'd the, where'd the star go to college? It's everybody's most favorite game. You know what else sucks? And this is, again, like, let me climb back up on my little soapbox one more time before

we get to Kenny Maine. I've got some guys that I played with at Virginia that are like family members to me. I'll name one. He lives a couple miles away from me. His name's John Phillips. He drives a dump truck and hits softballs 500 feet.

And he's one of my best friends. And I love the guy. There's nobody that makes me happier than running into John Phillips. I got to play with him for years. I got to play with Tom Sanny, the other tight end, for years. Was that his wedding? You know, like, I got a group chat with seven dudes from my college football team.

It's firing every day. Shout out the do drop and the boys. Like Clint Sinnam talked to him a couple days ago. He's out at Colorado State. Like, real bonds, bro. Like deep shit that when I think about college football, I think about the depth of the relationships that I made. and it is a shame and maybe they'll never know because things have changed so much that most kids are going to get robbed of that experience. Now, I think for most of my teammates, they probably tell you they wish they got paid, right?

So this isn't simple, but I will tell you it is a shame and I'm starting to feel like the old man yelling at cloud a little bit. Yeah, well, and that's two of us. I think you're spot on. Boo! But hey, I'm wishing the kid luck, the young man. It's not that I want the young man not to play well. Especially if he winds up in New Orleans at Tulane University. Then we can go around the head back. Yeah, we can.

But half the time it's not even the young man. Half the time it's people around the young man showing doubt as to whether or not, you know, that athlete is getting. compensated fairly. And, and, like, that whole thing is when you, when you put a battery in an athlete's back and tell them, hey, they're treating you, they're fucking you over here. You know, you're worth more. Like, you're pretty impressionable and you're competitive.

And so, like, you just, it's, it's, it's a fucking shit show. All right. Here's Kenny Mayne. I think about you. Just think about you. Hey, Gretchen. Just think about you. Hold on. It's getting a good part.

We traded songs in the car. You were playing like New Wave avant-garde shit. Admittedly, I didn't know well. And then when you like the song, you'd, like, point at your stereo. And I knew. I knew that meant some to you. All right. That's from hotter than July.

October of 1980, that was a big month for me. That album came out. I ushered the Ollie Holmes fight, and I ruined my ankle for life all in the same month. Where do we start? Ali Holmes? Hopefully we were rolling. We are rolling.

Tell us what that was. Tell me about Ali. Walk on music, nobody. Tell me about Ali Holmes. Okay. So the football players, you know, you used to get to usher the prize fights,

this guy named Dennis friend frock he was with the university and he had a side gig where he had a company that helped usher big events right bring in the ushers make it happen so if you're first or second string you got the cool seats like i'm down there with jack nicholson i i escorted nebila kashoggi the daughter of aden kashoggi got a $100 bill for doing that i thought it was the richest man in vegas and i was and then if you were third string or like a walk on whatever you'd got the worst seat so like after I was done playing I was up in the rafters I got like people give you a tip of a handy wipe that was your tip where if you're down on the cool section you get a hundred dollar bill but

yeah Ollie Holmes was amazing I was asked to help bring Ollie down to the ring like be part of his big entourage so first I was kind of mad because I'm like what I'm not even getting to see the undercars, I'm losing out on tips. But, you know, hang out here. When it happens, it happens. And it was insane. It was like a sea of people. There must have been 150 people. And I'm like swimming through the crowd trying to get the girl

and I'm just to escort through a seat. And it was electric. Ollie was over the hill at that point, sadly. Holmes, I thought, took it easy on them. I ended up just kneeling next to Jack Nicholson and watching the fight. That was my moment. What? Any dialogue between.

you and jack i some you're really good in that one movie that time like yeah that that was the he's like shut the fuck up kid he's like yeah i think we i think we talk jack in my car uh jack movies yeah we talked about china town five easy pieces yep one flew over the kid you say car of course we're talking about your truck which is yeah mega level size you have to get a ladder you need a ladder to get in that thing my truck is huge it's got a kayak on the back of it today which reminds me that the picture on your wikipedia page kenny yeah is of you kayaking with a helmet on in maccove in 2007 with a giant Chevrolet branded baseball. That was for the home run derby and the All-Star game at San Francisco.

That's our cat Walter. He's going to knock over the food. Yeah, what is the deal with that cat, Kenny? You sent me a video of that cat eating something. What's his deal? Well, Gretchen took him to the veterinarian today, and they said that he's too fat. He's like four or five pounds overweight.

and so I was telling him how sorry I am and then I snuck him a minnow anyway. He loves minnows. Kenny, five pounds overweight. What's it, a 20 pound cat? Yeah, he's like 25% overweight. 20, 25% But he's, they just said exercise them more.

But you can't take him outside. He'll get murdered by a hawk. He's never been outside. By accident. We got a buddy who has a small dog and the dog has to wear a raptor shield. So it goes outside and the hawks don't pick the dog up. This is sad, but borderline, I'm not going to say it's funny. It's just it's sad.

Let's just say it's sad. Gretchen rescued a bunny. Well, actually a local kid found it and knew that Gretchen would be the one to nurse it back to health. She's everything but breastfeeding it. She's taking it, you know, just getting that bunny back in order. and then she built a pen for it outside and his fucking hawk came and killed it you guys both laugh what a couple of dick

you guys are terrible people how do you know it's dead she took it to the veterinarian and they praised her for how well she had taken care of the bunny but they said it's it's time to let it go damn but I hate the hawks we live we're in west Hartford like we're four miles from downtown Hartford.

It's not like we're out in the sticks, but we are because where we are right up against the woods, right up against the walking trail. We had bears in our backyard last week. So we get it all. But the hawks, I'm at war with the hawks because they killed our bunny and they threatened our kittens and our dogs.

Kind of hard to go to war with the hawks that are protected species, Kenny. If it comes into my yard, those rules are out. There are no rules anymore. There's no laws. There's no rules. Oh, you're right about that. You're right. It was great.

It's the president's in great health because he won club championships. Did you read that one? I saw six, three, two, 24. The guy's in perfect health. Yeah. For years to come. For years to come. Kenny, you're here to talk about Kenny Mains' wiffle ball, which I conquered my fear of Fubo,

hadn't been able to break into that thing. It's like fucking Fort Knox. Borrowed Reed's password. and watch your wonderful documentary. What are you going to be able to tell us about it? Do you like to share too much? You know what? A little bit for the imagination, for the perspective.

For Fubo, that's, I'm not talking about my goddamn movie because $9.95 a month, no, I'll tell you anything you want. And we keep getting, when we try to watch something, it makes us go through like a lot of hoops now. Like even HBO, which changes its name to Max. What's that about? We wanted to watch White Lotus, and it took us two weeks to re-log in. Like, every week we're trying, we're banging.

And I think it's a password check just to make sure you don't give your password to a thousand people. Maybe, I don't know. But it's an impediment to our viewing pleasure. Wiffleball was the question. So I made a movie called Wiffle Ball. It's about a day from 1989. Ken Griffey Jr. and I threw Wiffle Balls that day. And I held onto the tape for all these years.

that ran into him a couple years ago, and he brought up Wiffleball. I'm like, if one of the greatest players in the history of baseball is still thinking about the day we threw Wiffle balls together, I might as well go find out what the hell happened, right? And I've held all these years that I beat him by one mile per hour. I still think it's true, actually.

And we go to find the tape. It's in a garage. It's in the basement. I've got it. But it was really hard to transfer it because it was on what was called beta SP, which is like old broadcast tape that TV stations used to use, right? But nobody uses it anymore. So I had to find somebody with the machinery that I could stick the tape in

and find out what happened that day. And I found that guy in Seattle. We interviewed Ken Burns. We got Pearl Ham Music, the Head and the Heart, Sam Lachau, the rapper. We got the president of Wiffleball. We got a University of Washington professor. Everybody trying to figure out what happened that day, who threw the ball of fast. right and ultimately it looks like on tape that we tied this is a big spoiler that's what it looks

like but i still think the eye test you tell me i mean i don't know i mean you like if you was throwing all the way that's the thing dude like ken griffy junior looks so cool and effortless throwing that wiffle ball well it turns out spoiler alert it's not even a wiffle ball yeah um in my head it was a wiffle ball but it was a wiffle ball but it was really like a 1989 pickleball. Pickleball was a thing back then. People don't know that. Congratulations to my wife, Meg, who won the tournament this weekend.

Oh, nice. Gold Club, yeah. Good job. Beat some older men. No offense. But she beat my primary care doctor, who's now going to misdiagnose me. Oh, my God. Is it like Dr. James Anders of Birmingham, Alabama?

No, no, no. So, so, so, so, so Macon, Macon's here too, and I know you, I want to talk about what you guys talked about in your four minutes. We're going to talk about it. But wait a minute. There's more to Wiffleball. So it's on food. I want to ask a whistle ball related question to set in the stage. What do you got?

The background is you grow up near the kingdom and you're playing Wiffleball every day, right? So Makin, did you have a Wiffleball like experience when you're a kid? Did you do any bat and ball activity? No, no, no, no. the only ball activity I had was against a brick wall. We had a garage. The exterior was bricks, and I was an only child. No, I didn't really venture out to play any sort of organized sport or sport with other children.

I would play wall ball against myself, which if I don't catch it cleanly, I have to drop it and then run up and touch the wall. But there's nobody else to pick up the ball and throw it at the wall, so I never got out. one of you is going to win right i never lost i would draw a little circle on the garage and i would throw a nine inning game sometimes i would walk in a run and lose that's terrible i would play i would play one on nobody sometimes an announce like pretend i was the sonics playing the nix or whatever and just talk it through you know why not but i was not an only child it's just i would talk it through yeah i would talking throughout there. And I got as many game winning shots as I wanted to

get the job done. My friend Mark Sancever broke Babe Ruth's home run record in one summer. We kept stats. We would line the field with sugar or flour. My sister would sing the national anthem. We'd let out fireworks. And we would play from 9 a.m.

till 9 p.m. with breaks for food and swimming and kept stats. So he literally hit like 840 home runs that summer. That's incredible. We play with a tennis ball. That's one. Metal bats.

And if we hit them over this, this hedge there, it was a home run. But my buddy, shout out to Jeff Hoss in the neighborhood. Cut a baseball diamond into his back field. Oh, nice. Yeah, so it was a good setup. Jeff Hoss. Yeah, shout out to Jeff Hoss.

Hey, so where were you on Wiffleball? Well, during this holiday season that just passed, I did daydreaming what's other jobs I can make up or have more Zoom calls and have things fall through and I decided I have 30 minutes of stand-up that would precede the 30-minute movie and I made sort of a hybrid stand-up slash film festival I've done it once in Las Vegas Jimmy Kimball's Comedy Club and I'm doing it again I don't know when this runs I hope before the thing I'm talking about right now It's going to run this week. God damn it should.

It's the early promotion. Yeah. So April 24th, New York City at a place called the pit, the people's improv theater. I'm going to walk out and say funny shit for a half hour. Then I'm showing my movie. And then everybody goes home. Now, do you need any enhancement before you go out on stage? No, just the opposite.

I told Gretchen I don't want nothing. There's nobody, nobody's smoking weed. We're just like, I want to be clear of thought. No weed. Zero. I mean, I would think like maybe a whiskey, take the edge of it. Maybe one shot. Yeah, I could see one shot of tequila or something like that, but I'm not going to go out there drunk or high.

Like, no. Like, I'm serious. We work the crowd, Kenny. If they heckle me, I will. But no, that's not the goal. I have a mission. I know what I'm doing. I have a plan.

And if I stumble through it, if they interrupt me or if I fuck it up, then, you know, I'll improvise. But it ain't a lot different than what we're doing right now. It's just that you're on platforming. You're the only one and they're all looking at you. You're bacon playing fucking wallball. Kenny, can you imagine trying to solve a murder before DNA evidence? Come on.

Forensic evidence. It's like one of your detectives come over, says, hey, Sarge, there's a pool of the murderer's blood over there. Oh, gross. Let me get back to my hunch. You're a fucking idiot. You know, we go to bed most nights watching a crime show. Gretchen, I love her. She can't sleep without, what's the guy's name?

The old white guy that looks like me. Like, Keith Morrison, yeah. You know, the guy with the Keith Morrison. Keith Morrison? Yeah. On the date line, he solves all the crimes. I don't know that he looks like. you?

It was just like his old white gray hair. I just meant that. Yeah. I find it strange, and she's like the most loving, sweetest, loves animals. She volunteers at a petting or at a rescue zoo. And yet she needs crime to go to sleep. There's something like. I say that's like a psychopathic tendency.

There was like some study about that, Gretchen. I'm sorry to say. I'm sure you're not. You're probably the outlier, but they say, that if you wind down to murder mysteries, it's like, it's not good. Yeah. But they are calming. I used to, when I was on the road, Kenny, me and my roommate, Cliff Ryan, the night before games,

we used to fall asleep watching Lockup, Lockup, Raw. You know, lock up raw? I've heard of it. It's basically, it's basically just prison chronicles. Yeah. And, yeah, then we'd fall asleep. My dad was a trooper. State trooper.

York State? I'll see there you go. She also thinks she can solve any crime. Something will happen in the news and she'll have a theory, like a hunch. A hunch. We'll have a hunch. Makin, can you remind the listener where that came from because this is

what your fifth pass at this thing? Say again? Close. Well, it may not be original. Why do you have to say that? Because I just want to take the... Never mind. The way I said it, I didn't say it like the comedian said it.

I just don't know that Kenny knew the bit. I don't think I did, but I laughed anywhere. Well, it's a joke. Ultimately, it's just a funny joke. It's a joke, yeah. And you got it, right? You got the joke? Yeah.

Yeah, it's a good joke. Come on. DNA and the hunch. Yeah, I like it, but I don't know where it came from. No, never mind. His head. He came from his head. Kenny, why don't you call it John Brinkus?

For what purpose? To find out who threw the wiffle ball harder. You were eyeballing it. Oh. You lost me. I don't know if we're calling about the murder. What was happening right there? John Briggis would be totally.

That's pretty solid. I like that one. I think the eye test says I threw faster and I think my cameraman double punched. People in the TV industry know about when the camera person hits once, oops, twice, and nothing's rolling. I know a guy who knows a guy. who interviewed Bill Clinton right after he left the presidency, his first big interview. And they were in Portland.

He was there for some reason, and they were going to get the big one-hour interview. Nobody else had gotten him since he left. Double punched, and he leaves. They thank him. Thank you, sir. And they look to go look at the tape and nothing. Just color parts.

Just they got nothing. No. Yeah. He was executed. Oh. Hey, make. Did you ever have a moment like Kenny had with Ken Griffey Jr? Like wiffleball with Ken Griffey Jr.

Was that like a birthday party with Tiki and Ronde? Oh, yeah, maybe so. What comes to mind more than that is what Kenny just said about the Bill Clinton interview. I've interviewed famous basketball coach Dave Lado of Northeastern DePaul, Yukon assistant in Virginia fame. Yeah. And I was asking him about Ed Davis, this recruit out of Richmond. I'd asked Ed Davis, hey, this brand new arena, this John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, Virginia, will that affect your decision at all?

He said, nah. And I said, no, and he said, nah. Anyway, I asked Dave Lato a bunch of questions about this NBA Top 100 camp, and we went for probably five minutes. It wasn't a terribly long period of time. And then I had double tap. Is that our, is that double punch? I was like, oh, I was probably 20. It's like, coach, would you mind if we ran that back and did that one more time?

And he said, yeah, no, I'm not going to do that. Coach. Oh, that's tough. Appreciate you. Thanks. And then I paraphrase what he had to say on the radio show. That's tough, dude. Hey, Reed, are you here, Cowboy Reed?

What do you think the what do you think the all time worst moment on this podcast was? Are you trying to say we're living in one? No, no, no, no, no, no, because we're talking about the lowest points of our journalistic careers. Well, not yours, Kenny. You haven't shared one yet. There definitely been a couple when we thought we were recording or it got wiped right after. I will say, I think Kenny, the last time you were on the show, for some reason, I'm

remembering that you joined the Zoom and then the microphone wouldn't work, whether it was couldn't join or whatever. And it was the interview we were scheduled was 3 p.m. And I don't think we started, you know, recording till 7 or 8 that night. It was all afternoon. Yeah. I was committed to the project. Yeah. Well, and hey, Kenny, to your credit, like great attitude the whole time. You're like, no big deal. We'll get it figured out. We'll record when we record. I think I remember that now. That was during my heyday period when people called me all time. Gretchen calls it my son my Kenny main ego tour the summer of 21 yeah I was the ego tour big commodity back then yeah because I was being interviewed all the time about why I left and what's next

and blah blah blah you know those what the days it's like a yeah like a I wouldn't say it's a farewell tour because you got April 24th Kenny's going to be at the pit in in New York and you got to watch Kenny Maine's wiffle ball on Fubo I just want to ask you this question because the Dome came up a couple times. Is that like, do you realistically think the kingdom should have stuck around longer? Or was that place falling apart? It was time to go. It was cool when they built it.

Now, you got to remember, we had the Seattle pilots who are now the Milwaukee Brewers. They were in Seattle for one season, the summer of 69. I was nine years old. Tommy Harper led the American League and Stolen Bases was 73. A little side note. Shout out Tommy Harper. We had Tommy Davis, the National League batting champion. Joe Schultz was the manager, Jim Bouton, who would later write ball for,

and I'm glad you didn't take it personally. And there was a lot of lore about that last place team, but it was a terrible stadium. They were playing at Seattle Six Stadium, and it was a thing where all the teams were complaining about, we have to go to this terrible park, and the league was looking at it, you know, it's kind of sideways. So they stole the team. They sold them to bun.

Lud S. League, who later be the commissioner, he started them in Milwaukee, and called them the Brewers, right? So Slade Gordon, our attorney general later to be a U.S. Senator, sued Major League Baseball for stealing our team without giving us the chance to build a new stadium. And in the meantime, then they built the kingdom. So when the kingdom came about, it was actually kind of a cool, you know, because it's stormy weather up there and it's nice to get indoors and all that. But it was also terrible at the same time. It was great for football. It was weird for baseball, although that is the place where we beat the Yankees, the famous play where Edgar Martinez hits the ball and Ken Griffey slides in to beat the Yankees in 95.

Was that to go to the ALCS? Yeah. So that was a big moment for them, finally making the playoffs and this big moment. But in smaller events, you know, like they had truck pulls there and they had kind of second-rate concerts. They had everything there. And sometimes on a small crowd for a baseball game, you could hear the electric noise from the lights above. It wasn't a great place. Yeah, I like that stuff, though.

I like the vintage. I don't like indoor baseball. I don't like indoor baseball. I don't like indoor baseball. How about Bo Jackson and Bosworth? That happened in that stadium. Bo Jackson throwing out Harold Reynolds from the wall happened in that stadium. So there were many kind of iconic things.

The Seahawks winning their first playoff game there. Mariners, the 95 game. But it was time to tear it down. So they imploded it. I think it's 25 years ago now. What did you, we were just together again for the people listening. This hat. I'm wearing the hat right here.

The Water Boys Charity Challenge, Kenny was incredible. And we'll talk about golf a little bit here in a second. But you told me a story about throwing something off the space needle. True story. Yeah. Can you, can you, can you, can you, can you, fire that one back up. Lenny Wilkins was my favorite player. He was the coach of our 1879 champion team. But before that, he was a player, right? And a player

coach at some point. And Sonics traded him to Cleveland for Butch Beard. All of us who love Lenny were so mad. I'm like 11 or 12 years old at this point. So Cleveland comes to Seattle to play the Sonics. Everybody's going to go to the Coliseum and Root for Lenny against our home team because we're showing our appreciation, right? Me and a couple of friends go, We only have like $10. This is back, we lived like 20 miles south of Seattle. One parent would drop you off. One parent would pick you up at 1115 on Mercer.

And we had not enough money to buy scout tickets to get into this sold-out game. So we had enough money to go to the top of the space needle. I decided I would throw a T-shirt off the space needle as a protest of the Lenny Wilkins trade. Not everybody understood the subtleties of my protest. I don't know if it was conveyed perfectly, but no. The funny thing is I got the T-shirt back because one of the guys didn't go up. There were four of us. One guy for whatever reason, we could literally see him chasing my T-shirt on the ground.

I recovered the T-shirt. I told Lenny the story years later. He said, other than winning the title, that night was the greatest experience of his NBA career. To feel a whole city came out just for me to say, we appreciate it. We're mad that you left. but eventually he would come back and eventually we'd win the title. Well, we just had the Luca deal coming back to Dallas and that would feel like as warm. It felt, well, it was the wound was too, like, open.

You know what I mean? Well, no one threw any T-shirts off, any tall buildings. There's no one to throw a T-shirt off. Yeah, there's no one. It's not even the same. What a protest. Did you see in Seattle sports-related calls? culture, Ken Griffey, Jr., taking pictures at the Masters.

He's a photographer. I know the guy who trained him. Scott Clark, a good friend of mine. He kind of, he's a great photographer, and he kind of taught Griffey how to do it. And interestingly enough, Randy Johnson. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Also, there's something about photography. And Mike McCready of Pearl Gem just opened an art studio. A lot of stress going on right now. Okay. Currently. All right. When my daughter got her permit, Riley, she was at a four-way intersection, and she didn't know when to go. And so she just went slowly through.

And she says lots of activity is taking place currently. And she just got slowly. And we made it. We didn't get hit. I told you because it reminded me of that. I had to take the driver's ed test twice. Actually, three times. I was having trouble with the concept.

of yielding on a left turn the left turns that's tough one mine I got a 90 they took off 10 points I did the parallel park I'm one of the greatest parallel parkers in the United States really yeah I'll put it against anybody I'll go up against anybody could you beat a H2 with the crab wheels did you see that could you beat is that a bridge too far is that when it becomes less artistic when the Hummer can park sideways I don't like automated I have buttons in my new car where I can have it do stuff for me and I don't want to give up. I don't want to do

AI because I have too much pride in my writing so I go fuck you AI I'm writing my own stuff so I parallel part I mean that's just the swear in the show you guys both look so pained when I did that. No, not at all I'm with you. So I parallel part and then

the guy says great job you can proceed and I took off and I'm still in reverse and I went flying backwards slamming on the brakes fortunately I didn't hit anybody minus 10, minus 10, but I did get my license. Only minus 10. I know he should have failed me, really, right?

You should have been in prison. Killed somebody. That's unbelievable. What a travesty. Hey, Will Blackman got a hold of me, and I sent him, we can expose this right now. Yeah, shout out to Will Blackman, dude. He's got out with Will Blackman, former tackle football player, who I once threw a touchdown in a so-called celebrity game while he was on a phone. He didn't know we were snapping that quick. Go. And he takes off and he's talking to whoever

and he just reaches out like this. But he has made a wine crafted from grapes in oaken barrels. And we had this great discussion. It was good wine, right? It was good, a hearty something cabbered. Yeah. It was a cab blend is what I heard. And he threw out the notion that I should do something funny for his brand. So I supplied him with the info. It's on you. We're waiting on you right now. Waiting on you, Will. While you were talking about that, it reminded me of the time you played in a celebrity baseball game in Seattle at the All-Star game. Yeah, 2001.

And you ran through a wall. I also gave you and your brother Candy. You guys were like 13, 14 somewhere in that neighborhood. You knew who your dad was. I didn't know about you guys yet. Yep. And I was sneaking children candy. Sort of like when I volunteered, like, when I was like a school chaperone for a field trip.

Yeah. And I would go rogue and take my group, you know, hey, let's go have fun. Let's go eat slushy pups or whatever. But yeah, I snuck you guys candy then in the game itself, Alvin Davis, former Mariner Great, crushes a home run. This is softball we're playing. And they would have like a temporary fence. So it's only like a 220 foot home run or whatever. His is almost going to the real fence at three something. I think I'm pulling it back. I'm running for it. And I slam into the temporary aluminum fence that.

the kids are holding up. Your dad comes running over. I'm on the ground now. And he says, are you okay? And I just looked at it. I said, I'm not well.

Not well, dude. I remember the moment. But I stayed in the game. That's so good. Jessica Beal was on our team. Yeah, summer catch. Of summer catch fame. I was supposed to make sure everybody got in.

How do I forget about Jessica Beal? Somehow I leave her out. Otis, my friend who was helping manage my team for me, because I'm out there playing. He's like waving, like, you know, he's pointing at her. So we brought her in. She threw one pitch. She got the save.

A one pitch save. Good job, Jessica Beal. Okay, I got the lineup here, Kenny. Kenny Maine, celebrity manager. Against Harold Reynolds. Against Harold Reynolds. Legend manager. Why is he a legend?

And you're not a legend. That's bullshit. On your team, the espressoes. Fred Lynn. Yeah, baseball player there. That makes sense. Freddie Prince Jr., also of summer catch fame. Am I right?

I think so. Henry Simmons, he's from Agents of Shield, 2014, 2020, Howie Long, Jeff. Jeff, Amen, from Pearl Jam, Jessica. I got Keith Hernandez. You're going to skip over Jonathan Lipnicki? Oh, I got a good Jonathan Lipnicki story. Okay. Jonathan Lipnicki is from Jerry McGuire.

He played the son of Renee Zellweger. And the love interest there. And he's the human head weighs eight pounds guy, right? He's that guy. And so we're in the locker room before the game. And I'm giving out the instructions who's starting, what's happening. And I say, Jonathan, Ozzie Smith, started shortstop, you'll back him up.

Okay, you'll back up Ozzy Smith. He's like, I got it. So we go running out to take the field to start the game and I look up and Jonathan chased him on the field and he's standing right behind him. He's literally backing up, Oliver Smith. So we all laughed about it and I was like,

fuck it, just leave him there. He's fine. He's not going to do all that much. So. Was this unironic? No, he didn't know. He just didn't know the rules. He's backing him up. He backed him up. Rick Fox is also on the team. As well as Ozzie Smith, The Wizard.

Yeah. Tug McGraw. I own a Tug McGraw, Philly's jersey. I love Tug McGraw. Also related to Tim McGraw. Yeah. You know, I got a case to make. Making.

Okay. Tim McGraw's catalogs better than Kenny Chesneys. I don't disagree with that. Everybody tries to talk to me about how Kenny Chesney's. music is not good. And I don't necessarily disagree. I like Kenny Chesney for the record. It just takes me to a place and time in my life where I look back very happily. Speak of the devil. Renee Zellweger, you may remember, who played Jonathan Lippnicki's mother in the film Jerry McGuire, was married to Kenny Chesney for a period of days before she obtained an annulner.

moment on account of fraud. I did not know that. The year was 2005. No way. Yeah. Yep. At any rate. Can you elaborate on the fraud?

Well, I, you know, people made leaps, you know, what I'm saying. Yeah. Meatloaf also on the espresso. Meatloaf was a good guy and decent there. There was another game where I almost killed. Whoopi Goldberg. It was in New York. No. And Billy Crystal, decent athlete, he's out there. Spike Lee was out there.

Chris Rock. Chris Rock was on the other team. They falsely called me out. Chris Rock admitted that I was under the tag. So just for the record. By the way, Dale Earnhardt Jr. Yeah. There was a bunch of good players. But I threw a ball in the second in the New York game. And as soon as

that left my hand. I was like, oh my God. Like, I saw her and she's kind of like going like this. Thank goodness, Billy Crystal. Popped on in, grab that wall. Did he really? Yeah. Who's the best celebrity athlete you've come across? Tony Todd.

That was easy. He's the greatest. Google him. Google Tony Todd. Tony Todd. T-O-D. There's another gentleman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I know him. There's another Tony Todd who just passed away. Rest in peace. This is Tony Todd, my friend.

He's good friends with Charlie Sheen. He was in all Charlie Sheen shows. Anytime you see B-roll, like when they do file footage of Charlie Steen playing catch, that's Tony Todd. So Tony played in several of those games. He was in Black Panther. He was in a whole bunch of different, he was in a Jackie Robinson story. So he's been an actor, look at his IMBD or whatever it's called. Yeah.

Yeah, good guy, best celebrity softball player. there's no one will touch him and yet not the first Tony Todd who who appears as you mentioned yeah yeah I knew the other Tony Todd um all right so hit us with the review of the waterboys charity challenge how was it Kenny visiting Charlott's 10 of 10 maybe alcohol was served let's say that yeah it was I got you to go to a real I didn't want to. Real life bar. The day starts, I'm trying to be all diligent.

When I go to these things, and plus I was helping co-hosts, I feel like I have some responsibility. So I'm calling everybody. Hey, I'm sorry. The bag got lost. They lost my clubs for a while. And they brought them out that night. So I'm trying to hustle over there to be part of the par three event, thinking I'm

supposed to be with a certain group and I'm really sorry. I'm late. Nobody gave any fucks about that. Instead, it was, hey, Chris is down there. they're tasting bourbon. Oh, I guess we'll do that instead. Yeah. And it was powerful.

But I did go to the par three challenges. In fact, I threw to hold number one. I was proud of that. Yeah. A lot of doubt. There was a lot of doubt about that. It was like 80 yards, 75 yards. No, they hadn't seen the wiffle ball documentary yet.

And then the rest of it was great. I will say a noisy crowd. I'm going to call out the crowd still. I'm on them forever. I don't like it when people go to big events where we're raising money for a good cause. and they don't know how to behave. So I was asked by your girls like, hey, we go up there and yell at the crowd?

And I was like, yeah, I'm already pissed. I settled most of them, but not all. I just let them have a good time, Kenny. Yeah, we're there for a purpose. Like, I did that once at a Lenny Wilkins event where I just gave up on the crowd and brought Lenny up. And now joining us as Lenny Wilkins is like, wait, an hour early, right? Just because we'd lost the crowd.

Do you ever hear Bill Burr in Philly? No Oh He You know The crowd just wasn't Having a good time And he had like 20 minutes left in the set

And instead of saying Fucking walking off He just laid waste to him for 20 minutes It's it is one of the Kenny you need You and Gretchen need to listen to it It's pretty incredible But yeah

And then we took you Dirty Nelly Shout out Dirty Nellie So we're done with the event Overall went well And I'm like I'm really tired. I'm excited for golf tomorrow.

You're like, oh, no, we're going on a bus to some bar, you know, two miles away. There's like 90 of us. It was mandatory. But I made it. It was fun to golf. I actually hit the ball pretty well. I got one more beef with the whole thing. Yeah.

The guy who won every award. He won long drive. He won putting. He won chipping. You know, he won everything. and his team won the whole thing, only to learn he's borderline professional. Like he's been in the corn ferry or the Nike or the whatever.

I was like, well, let's go throw footballs for money. Yeah, you know, the guy looked like fucking Danny Almonte to me standing up there getting his hardware. I shook his hand and I was like you again. Our team battled. We were a bunch of guys like better than me. Like I was the worst one. The other guys were a bit up.

Yeah. We were all playing. We're playing rooting for each other, no cheating, no mulligans. We were 11 under, and that was good for maybe fifth place or whatever. Like they paid the top three. But the winners, I mean, I'll just bring Jamal Crawford to the next three-on-three tournament. How about that? And then we'll win, and I'll get a trophy.

That works. That works. Honestly, it's, there are some people who try to get the ringers in. Make, how was your four minutes? You know, you were, there was a point in the, evening time out time out should i get this call it's from vancouver washington yeah yeah hello hello hello come in you're on the chris long show hello hello yeah i you know what i actually called we called we did a whole prank calling thing a couple weeks ago and we were very proud of it we call people

sometimes on this show kentie which is why we're like pick up the phone like you can't be adam sheper on the show. I kind of like that. Yeah, so, so it was March 31st and we thought it'd be fun to do early April Frules. I get it. Yeah, because our show runs on April 1st. So like, you're, I would have done on March 31st. Not on April 1st. That's what I hear what you're doing. That's why it works so well. So we called like seven people and told them that my large brother Kyle has joined the army. Oh, including my that. That's a good brain. Including my dad. So at the golf tournament, this is, this is how you know, it's a barometer for for the bit landed. Seven, eight people walked up to my dad and were like, hey, sorry.

Sorry to hear about Kyle. That's pretty good. Everybody threw up doing prank phone calls. Yeah. So there was a radio station called KJR. They're still out there. This is back on their AM dial. And they would have what was called the cash call jackpot.

And it was like a big thing. Like people in, you know, hey, KGR jackpot's up to $400. Like if you listen, you knew where it was, right? They would call somebody who either entered or maybe they'd just call blindly, how much is in the jackpot? And you had to know, right? So we would play it like, I'd say how much is in the jackpot spending four and five hundred bucks? They'd say $4.85. And I go, did you say $4.65?

And human nature, yes, I'm sorry. It was $4.85. It was people would fall for. Sometimes we would pretend they won. We'd take their address, their social security number. And we're like nine or 12 years old, whatever, you know, young. You guys were raising hell. The other one was the fake, holon one in the newspaper.

You could call the Seattle P.I. Yeah, this is Bob Jones over there at North Shore. Some kids just hit a whole one on a hole three, 181 yards. And they'd print names in the paper the next day. No. I have a friend who has like five career hole in ones, all fake. So good. Any immature names?

No, no, no. We played it straight. We didn't try to do like, holy fuck. No. Yeah, dude. That's pretty good. I used to call the freshman when I was an upperclassman at UVA or the first years, as we call it, at this esteemed university. Yes.

And I was Chip Reynolds. I was like the lead editor at the Cavalier newspaper, which, you know, is real but obviously I'm not him and I would just see how long they would stay on stroking themselves and talking about their their high school highlight tapes and sometimes they talk for 40 minutes oh my god you know so we'd have the whole group in there gathered around trying not to laugh listening and so when you say you grew up doing it we're still doing it and 30 what are you 38 39 make you 39 yet I'm 38 which makes me how many years older than Kyle shit about three i think kenny would appreciate this i i wrote for the the local paper while in college

and i interviewed this baseball football prodigy kyle long one day and i was recording him as a reporter does and we go through talk for 30 45 minutes it went well and then i get a call a couple hours later and it's Big Howie and he says why did you ask Kyle what his birthday is and I said

well sir you know just a little color to add to the story I'm trying to paint a picture here use a lot of colors you know and I thought how do you know that and he was like

well you record him we record you And you're one of them. He had Kyle recording me while I was trying to interview him for a puff piece at the newspaper. Is that fucking legal? In Virginia, it is. It's not a dual consent state. Yeah.

Does anybody know offhand what the dual consent states are? No. No. Hey, you asked the question earlier. I never got a chance to answer about your worst moment. Yeah. I mean, there were many. Yeah.

But Dick Williams. when I was at my little station in Seattle opening day. I go out, remember Dick Williams, famous manager, Oakland Days, and he was with the Mariners. Google him. And I go up and I think I'm going to be really funny. And this can be really funny that night on my TV. I go, Dick, is it just me?

Or have you had trouble purchasing wiffleball equipment this spring? And he just stares at me like, fuck you, man. Like that's not. And I said, you know, the plastic ball and bat, thing. And he's like, I know what wiffleball is. Your joke's not funny. But then now I'm in a corner. I'm brand new. I've only done sports for like a year. And I'm like opening day mariners. Now I've totally screwed myself. And I'm like, so how does your middle relief look

this season? Like I'm just asking anything to fill the gaps. He never liked me. The other one, same era. I've never admitted this publicly, but it's a good story. It's a lesson to the kids. Okay. I mean, marijuana is legal now. It's not free game. It's free game, kids. Yeah. Kids, listen up. Don't do what I did. I go to the West Regional's at the Kingdom. This is NCAA men's 87, 88, somewhere in there. And we go to the first game, and then I got to drive all the way back to Tacoma,

which is about 45 minutes while the second game is being played. Somebody else is taping it. I'll catch up to it and get ready for my show. I decide that's a great time to smoke marijuana. I'm going to do that right now. And so now I'm driving all the way back to Tacoma. I get to Tacoma. The show's on at 10. So I'm on about 1030, 1040.

Yeah. It's about 9.40. And I just sit at my desk for a long time. Just kind of contemplating what a typewriter is. Like, I'm doing nothing. The producers like, hey, do we have your rundown? Yeah, it's coming. It's like in crayon.

now I'm not done now I'm on the air now it's 1040 it's time for me to do those two games and they ran the wrong game so I have my notes for the first game ready to go and they rolled tape number two instead of tape number one and now I'm like Twilight Zone

like wrong names wrong schools wrong everything's wrong it's wrong I don't know how I got out of the jam but this is the second document is finding this fucking footage, dude, seeing you high doing the news. Hey, if I could, I'm serious now. One time a couple years ago, and you know, the Manning's having called back in a couple years to have me on the Manning cast, but when you, when you agree to be on the Manning

cast or before that, they have like people rehearse. Right. They run you through rehearsals in preseason to see if you got it. That seems a little much, but okay. Well, they got a good little program there, make, don't you think? No, not knocking the manning. I mean, if you already pick somebody who has extemporaneous qualities, just thrust the moment.

I think they want to see how you do with the delays. But anyways, I smoked a bunch of pot, and then I looked at my calendar. and in two hours I had a Manning cast rehearsal. They asked me back. It's like you should have done it again then. I guess so, man.

That's pretty funny. Is that your best high story, Kenny? Thinking. Oh, I got another one. Is that what the show's turned into? No, no, no. The guys in the back are laughing, though. I got to figure out how to tell this story.

We had a niece who had medicinal for her situation she was in. And my ankle, as you know, not well. You've seen it? Yep. And I was having one of those particularly bad ankle days where every step, like I seriously went through, it's gotten better because I've done better therapy and I got my brace. But this day, I was just in pain, didn't even want to go to the soccer game. game. It was one of our daughter's soccer games.

And Gretchen, like, just take a little bit of this. It's like a little, it's like you draw it in a little turkey baster thing, you know, like a little, right? So I do. And we go to the game, and that's when it hit. And I swear to go, I thought clowns were coming out of the woods, like, name anything. I thought that was happening. So now I'm utterly paranoid.

You know how sometimes there's like a soccer goal off the field? They have an actual one for some reason, like sideways. I'm hanging on to that for life. Like, I'm just, like, stepping. Like, so I'm like, Gretchen, can we just go? Can we just go over? It says, what are you fucking talking about? Like, what's in the game?

She doesn't know what I'm going through. And I just grabbed her. I said, can we go over about the car now? And there's still, like, three minutes and a half. She, I finally explained to her why. And so we go over there. I just wanted to be alone. I just wanted to be us.

No other human beings in the world, just us. And we'll watch from up here. and we don't have to talk to people. No more clowns coming out of the woods. So we're up there at a little place. Just then like 19 couples. Hey, how are you guys doing there? Yeah, it was rough.

It was... That's the problem, though, is like the weed you were smoking in Seattle in the early 80s isn't as good as the weed now. Wait a minute. I have another marijuana story. Okay. The Sonics made the playoffs for the first time ever. this is about 75, 76, somewhere in there, 75, I think.

My friend Mark and I decide we're going to capitalize on this opportunity and make millions of dollars. We're going to buy like 30 tickets when the tickets open. And this is like when there are physical tickets, right? There's no iPhones. So we literally take our hard-earned money and buy 30 tickets for like $10 a piece or whatever they cost. We're going to sell them at the game. Turns out the game doesn't even sell. sell out because it's going to be televised locally and people like, I'd rather just sit

at home. So we can't get rid of these damn tickets. This kid from Seattle takes like six of them for a bag of weed telling us it's one hit. It's awesome. It turns out it's oregano. I think we smoked like a half a bag of oregano. We just kept trying. And then his sister, Kelly, comes into the garage where we were doing this. And we immediately have to have a cover story. There's oregano smoke all over, but we start pretending that we're fixing the lawnmower. I think Mark had a rake.

I had a state or something. You know, like, what are we doing? So a lot of marijuana stories out of me. What did the oregano taste? It tastes like oregano. Tastes like a spice that would go into food, but it didn't do anything for you. Oh, man.

Now, my real stand on it, I don't think anything, people, you know, in moderation as the saying goes, right? You shouldn't be absolutely in moderation. You're driving or whatever. But compared to alcohol, it remains slightly safer thing to be trying. If you're going to do that, go to a concert, watch a movie, whatever the hell you're doing. Hell yeah, I'm going to go to Billy Strings tomorrow and I needed a couple edibles. Shout out to Billy Strings.

Makin, you want to go? Yeah, I like Billy Strings. Who was just... Want to go? Yeah, I'd like I'd like to go is what I said. I'd like to go. Where's that? Five minutes from our house.

Which? Who just, who just postponed? Who was in? Tyler Childers postponed. He's coming back in September. Hope get well soon, Tyler. Oh, illness. Is that what it is?

Yep. Keep talking. I'm just double checking my daughter didn't text. No, you're good. You're all night. We're just, Gretchen's out there. She still likes me. That's the best part of it.

about it, but she still likes me. Hey, what, what, Kenny, as, as young men in the media game, is there any advice that you can impart onto us before we let you go tonight at some point? Sure. With all your experience. Well, I'll start with this text. This guy says, hi, my name is blank. I'm a friend of blank.

She shared your phone number with me, mentioning that you'd be a good person to connect with. I recently graduated from Washington State. and I've been actively seeking opportunities in the sports film industry. I wanted to reach out. If email works better for you, I'm happy to connect with you that way. If you don't mind sharing that with me,

if you have any time to talk about opportunities or just get some advice, I greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much. I wrote back, this is about an hour and a half ago because I knew this was coming up. I'm happy to help.

I have an interview in an hour or so, but if you're free now, I would do it otherwise sometime this week. Thank you for the response. I appreciate your willingness to help. Unfortunately, I'm busy right now. But I'm pretty free otherwise this week. I can make whatever.

I felt like I was kind of like, yeah, I'm a goddamn legend, but you know what, right now it's fine. Just hit me out. Sorry, boss. A little busy over here as a college graduate. No time for you. Did I tell too many marijuana stories? Should I feel guilty?

I don't feel guilty. No, no, no, no, not at all. I did marijuana today on the river. I did not. I didn't. I had a glass of wine. You saw me, had a glass of wine?

Yep, that's great. I'm eating dinner with my hand. At this point, there's some chicken. Chris, can I tell you how I wanted the Kenny Mayne interaction to go? Yeah, sure. The buildup was,

you know, people will ask, and by people, I mean, like, one person a year will be like, who is your favorite guest? You know, you could do that with Chris.

I was like, well, you know, it was Kenny Maine because Kenny Maine was my idol. He, uh, there was a confluence of various childhood traumas. And I sought refuge in sports and, uh, things that made me laugh. And that was, that was Kenny. Kenny, Kenny's the Venn diagram of those, those two things. So I'm like, let me just get five minutes with them, which we'll turn into four a little bit later. and I thought it would be better if you made the introduction. And you kept by God putting me off.

I was like, well, maybe I'll just go walk up to the guy, tell it, and remind him we, we didn't interview a great one from 2021 if you want to go back and hear that. Yeah, Google it. You'll, you'll hear the first time we heard Riley Cruz through that intersection and say a lot of activity is taking place currently. which I haven't forgotten to this day. I'm glad to get the reminder. Wait, did I say that on the 21 show, too? Yeah.

Yeah, you did. Go back and listen to it. Yeah. It's been four years, though, so. Kenny, here's one. Kenny's the reason why it was 2008. I applied for a job at ESPN. We were graduating college,

and somebody calls, and they literally quiz you. They give you a quiz. Like, hey, we're going to have for some PA job. We're going to quiz you on your sports knowledge. So I woke up, it was early, fairly groggy. And somebody says, you know, about to ask you these five questions, answer pretty quickly. If you don't, it's not great. And the first one was, who are the last five Heisman trophy winners?

And so I said, Tim Tebow, I think you're breaking up. The person said, excuse me? And then I hung up thinking I'll get to Google the last five Heisman trophy winners and be set by the time this person calls back and nobody ever called back. And that was the end of my ESPN dream. That's pretty good. I didn't know that. Yeah. I was thinking last week.

That was quick thinking. You stuck, man. Yeah. So when I went back and had a similar test to be an anchor. They asked me about the fucking White Sox middle relief or something. And I'm like, you know, they'll come in after the starter. They'll go a bit. And then the setup guy, then the closer just wrap shit up.

You know, I'm just making anything up. I don't know what I'm talking about. And I had flown, it was draft day, NFL draft day. So I flew all days. You know, it's eight, nine hours when you count the flights and it's late. And I'm not paying any attention to the draft. There's no internet. There's no iPhone to tell you anything.

That's one of the first, how did the Seahawks know the draft. The only guy I knew was their first pick they had taken. I didn't know anything. You know, they're just filling some holes, and they should upgrade at most of the spots where they place players as far as their emphasis. I say something like that. Just fucking stupid.

So dumb. No, I didn't get hired because of that. They thought I was deficient. Once you're in the door, you can do that. I see it all the time. I wasn't in the door yet. I was just in the door to get my tryout, So they sent me back and said, we'll keep you in mind, but you're not hired.

It took like four years, three interviews, lots of bugging. My weirdest job interview experience was, Macon's heard this. At the NFL draft, my meeting with the Kansas City Chiefs happened in a little hotel room. And Herm Edwards sat in the fucking bathroom. The interviews occurring in the hotel room. Inside the hotel room in the back is a bathroom. Herm Edwards in a fucking desk chair facing the toilet, as I remember it. And I'm in there answering questions.

And he's like partially visible to me. It's like a Ken Griffey Wiffleball. That's a weird movie. I want to know what he was doing. Was that disrespect? Was he testing me? That's strange. Yeah, really strange.

You know Herman Edwards? I don't know him well. I remember getting turned down. And I was just trying to, as you were telling that, I can't remember what the story was. But it was, you know, my fake NFL stories, everybody kind of knew. They're all silly, he's making up stuff

or taking a real story and going off a cliff. And we wanted Herm to do a thing and whatever it was. And their answer was, he's a proud son of a military veteran. and he would never disparage the good United States of America. That's not what we're, what are you talking about? We did, we did one at the Jets with Chad Morton of the famous Morton family,

Johnny Morton, Chad Morton, and Michael Morton, who I played with at UNLV. Yep. All four, two, three guys. They're ridiculous, all of them. And he had just run back two kickoffs for touchdowns. One was a kickoff, one was a punt. in one game for the Jets. So we went to a neighborhood

where there was a sign that said slow children and he went to teach them how to be faster. That was our Chad Morton story related to the Jets, which you brought up. That's very good. Macon, anything else we should ask, Kenny, before we let him go.

We haven't even got, as I'll continue. Yeah, I'll continue what I was saying. Sure. I go to the Godforsaken bar that I don't want go to at midnight after this charity challenge. I've passed the challenge, you know, because you say, no, you just need to sit down with Kenny. You don't want it to be quick and sit down with Kenny. I guess. All right. So I go to the bar and have a couple of domestic lights and then get back on the bus and go home because it's just, it's far too irresponsible to be out that late. And then we're going to

off the bus, I'm going home and look in and Kenny's in the hotel lobby. So that's when I grab Kenny and what do I say? I need you for four minutes. That's pretty much what you said. And then how would you say Kenny the next four minutes went? I thought it was well. It's personal. It's something they'll all make fun of you for, but it was I thought it was nice and it was a sweet sentiment that's what i said and then i did the one thing which adults sometimes do is like i i place my hand on like your upper peck just for a second like i said something to you personal touch yeah i did one like one like this so he knew i was serious yeah so he knew i was sincere yeah yeah i touched him he doesn't touch people no rarely he's like he's like i thought it was great if walter was antisocial

I can understand how your community there at the Chris Long podcast show will make fun of this forever. But in the moment, it was a sincere, he was like, hey, man, I grew up watching you. Just want to let you know that, how you influence me. And I just want to say it out loud. But you're a good person to seek out and say that to because you treat everybody like they're a real person. I think that's why. This just came up the other day. Somebody asked this in an interview, and I can't remember what.

but that's why I thought I did okay is because I, other than Stevie Wonder, who I was microphone shaking the first time I ever met him, I was never like blown away by any. Michael Jordan, you're a little, don't fuck it up, you know, make sure to say it right. But most everybody else, who gives a fuck? They can run faster or throw farther or shoot better.

I can write stories better than you. And you're tall, not you. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, I see my stories. Some other guy can fix, car is better. Some other guy can hit golf. You know what I mean? We all have our skills. So I was never awed by their celebrity and just talk to them like regular dudes. And I think playing football helped, right? Like I kind of know how to behave in a locker room. That was my most comfortable

spot, but it kind of transfers to other sports as well. And they know if you're treating them like another human, they appreciate that more than the people who are too reverential, right? There's too much of that sometimes. When you see like those podium interviews, You know, I'll tell you what, when Bill Belichick used to scare the shit out of the people that would come, even the guys that came every week, they did not want to be the first guy, they didn't want Bill to bite their head off. So our story was going to be Tom Brady's on the injury report, literally for two years. He had a shoulder and they'd list them every week. I think Belichick was fucking with the injury report, so the league got on him. So he's like, fine, I'll just report everybody.

We got 19 injuries. We all hurt. Yeah. So Brady's literally been on with a shoulder for like two and a half years, and our joke was going to just be will he play this week. That was the whole joke. So the press conference starts. It's the Wednesday coaches thing.

And I'm like, a coach will 12 see action this week? He's like, check the injury report. Oh, that's beautiful. And there's no like, hey, that's Kenny Maine. No. Oh, well. It was honestly, they knew we were coming. They knew we were going to do some stupid shit.

now I'm in the press conference. I'm about to be stupid. And Belichick's quick-witted enough to come up with a quick answer. Oh, he's very quick-witted. Yeah. I used to host the Eclipse Awards for horse racing. It's like they're Oscars, right?

The Horse of the Year and all that. And one year, Belichick's going to come out and do the presentation, I think, for Horse of the Year, right? Yeah. So I don't know him. I don't think I've ever even met him at that point. This is 2000, 2001, or whatever. backstate it was right after 2001 it was after they'd won the new orleans get and backstage he sees me

he goes hey it's not a fucking roast just get me out there so how do i not respond to that so now i'm i'm going to fight right so i said whatever you know they just won the super bowl who can forget is a lustrous career with the new york jets and you know he stayed there for one day or whatever it was right and he he handled it fine i think he almost wanted it to happen in a weird way Yeah. I got sidetracked there mentally because you brought up horse racing. And I definitely want you to make your case for Sandman. Oh, good memory. But before you make your case for Sandman, do the horses know that they're winning and losing?

Yes. I think the good ones know that just like a dog on a walking trail, who knows he's kind of cooler than that other shitty dog over there. just kind of they're doing that and do you think like man of war new is that man of war is one of the horses sea biscuit they you know when i was in Vegas they used to have these plastic horse race machines at the stardis casino you put in 25 cents and bet on one through eight and they'd have old school names like you just there'd be war admiral and see but all these ones you've seen in the bugs bunny cartoon right and too cute with it now i would take Chattigway. I would take a paper cup, like the free drink paper cup, you know, in the corner at some casino, and call the race into the paper cup. So it would sort of echo out of the paper cup. And we'd bet. And we would get, like, there'd be like a Japanese tourist group. They'd think I was the official announcer at the NRAOV's C-Biscuit broke alertly. You know, just.

What was the question? Horses. Oh, I did like, you know, C-Biscuit wins the season. he knows something good's happening? I had nominated this. Back to the house. Yeah, my idea was if they win, they get to immediately breed. They get to have sex right after the race. Yes.

And they know, wow, I want to win next time because that'll be, I'll do that again. That'll be fun. But everybody told me thematically a good idea, but it doesn't work. Because once they've done it once,

they're not going to want to race. It's the opposite effect. Oh, so it's like boxing. Yeah. allegedly. Yeah. Some guys say they save it up. There were some other questions, I thought.

Other questions? No, there was Bell in all our money on somebody this year. Yeah, Sandman. Oh, Sandman. Thank you. Thank you. I was trying to Google it fast to make sure he has not taken ill or had an injury that I don't know about because I want to be current.

But Sandman, the winner of the Arkansas Derby, when people were watching their stock portfolios go away and just the insanity of the United States economy right now I had advocated liquidate everything bet it all on Sandman in this year's Kentucky Derby this says here is an American Thuribad Racehorse

who won the Great One Arkansas Derby Sandman could spark Gallup only turned to ours what he's a three-year-old cult Yeah, I mean, so far I see no information saying he won't race in the derby, which as we taped us is not long from now, a couple, two and a half weeks or whatever. They haven't put him down. It's time to run.

It's time to gallop. You know? I shouldn't have laughed at that in the same way you shouldn't have laughed about our fucking rabbit getting murdered by a cop. War Admiral, Man o' War, like, all these violent names. Yeah. In fact, there was a horse called Violence. War Admiral, let me think. Who else?

How many triple crown winners can you name? I actually can't. Come on. We had two halfway recent American Pharaoh. So what year were you born? 1985. Okay. Well, have you ever heard of George Washington?

Yes. Okay. Well, see, it doesn't matter what year were born. So in the 70s, my key decade growing up, Stevie Wonder decade, right? Yeah. We had Secretariat, we had Seattle Sluu, we had affirmed, and it never happened again for many, many years. How many Stevie Wonder albums can you name from the 70s? I can't, but how many Pink Floyd albums from the 70s?

The Wall. Riven in the sky. The wall. That's a song, not an album. Okay. Well, I, you know, I can't claim to be a Stevie Wonder guy like you. Although when I was a kid, I used to do this a lot. My parents would tell me to do Stevie.

So, yeah, the wall is certainly a good album. Sure. But Dark Side of the Moon in 1973 and Wish You Were Here in 1975 and Metal in 1971. Those are all sound. Those are sound answers. Sound. Sound, like good. I know, but like sound is an understatement

when it comes to dark side of the rain. So, firstly, his album title, Music of My Mind. Okay, that's where he broke from Motown, got his kind of,

he got to be in charge of himself. Then you got talking book, inner visions, fulfilling this first finale, songs in the key of life. That's the one. Secret Life of, plants. Anybody?

Journey through the secret life of plants. Look it up. And then he caps it with 1980, which we started this program with, hotter than July in 1980. I like maybe your baby off talking about it. Oh my God. That's one of my favorites. Very little known. My friend and I, we went to junior college before UNLV, and they had kind of like this hokey spring dance, kind of almost like a prom. but it wasn't, you know. My friend Warren Thomas from Oakland, California and I

decided it was time to go up to the band and tell them to play down, now, now, wow. We taught them how to play the backup to maybe or baby. Yes. And we went on stage and tried to sing it. And I know all the words, but we... I've never talked to anybody else about this song. Oh, my God, it's one of my favorites.

I'm feeling down in some kind of lonely because my baby won't let me in. Heart is blazing like a five-alarm fire, and I don't even give a care. Want more? I feel like, the world is turning on me. That's a great song. How did you pull that one?

I just looked at the songs I have saved from Stevie Wonder that I listen to on the rag. Also, making you can chime in with all the Stevie Wonder songs that you like as well. Kenny's had 33 number one hits. Kenny Chessney. I remember she thinks my tractor sexy or how forever feels.

I like how forever feels. Come on. That's a good save. Kenny Maine, everybody. Thank you. Off with this song. Off with this song, Kenny. Check out.

My sunglasses. Yo, I've got bad news about the sunglasses, Kenny. They're expensive. I don't know where they are, but you can have these. I bought these today before I went. I can't because that's the top of my own. Do you want me to send you? I need to. Wait a minute.

How my glasses, no, I want my, I sent you a picture. I, yeah, they also have a picture, like. They were up on the top. It's a Jimmy Hoffa situation. Did somebody break into your truck? Were they in the truck? Yeah, you drove me, you drove me. Yeah.

This is the dinner with Will Blackman. I understand. You pick me up. You and I together, it's a lot of lost stuff. That's just the way it is. It's just the way it is, brother. But I'll tell you what. Thank you.

Thank you, Kenny. With the music, please.