Green Light with Chris Long - Kyle Long! NBA Finals Review, OKC Thunder As An NFL Team, Kevin Durant & Mailbag!

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

KYLE LONG BACK ON GREEN LIGHT! The fellas are together again and review the NBA Finals after the Oklahoma City Thunder knock off the Indiana Pacers. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander took home the MVP and Chris, Kyle and Nate find OKC's NFL comp. Chris also deep-dived on a #0 theory across sports and may have found patient zero of the #0 curse. The fellas then roll into a mailbag and talk Kevin Durant, NFL coaches and how to approach pro athletes for an autograph. (00:00:00) Intro (00:08:28) Lane Johnson Joins The James River Swim Club (00:14:57) NBA Finals Review (00:32:18) Curse of #0 (00:39:22) Mailbag: Kevin Durant, Coaches You Wished You'd Played For & How To Approach An Athlete For An Autograph Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I think Jim Otto started all this. I think Jim Otto made a deal with the devil, and the devil was like, hey, you're going to get to play in all 210 of your games. And I think it's the curse of Jim Otto. I think anybody that wears zero needs to be careful because Jim Otto has cursed the number by crewing over 74 operations. Say full auto, Jim Otto all day. This is not my beautiful house.

This is not my beautiful wife. How did I get here? He doesn't know the talking heads. Easy. Taborne, Austin, Tyler. Yeah. Oh, great call. Yeah. Easy. You might not make any more sense that day. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM.

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The big fella back in his old stomping grounds. And we have a blast. Chris, Kyle, Nate. And we do a little NBA finals review. We also compare the Oklahoma City Thunder to the NFL. Which NFL team is the Oklahoma City Thunder? We also talk about Kevin Dron. Grant, a big trade. Which team is he most linked to? Which team is he going to go into the Hall of Fame associated with? We had those topics. Talk a little bit more NFL and hit a mailbag. It's a great episode with the fellas. A blast and a half. Enjoy it. We'll be back later this week. We'll catch you then.

The prodigal son has returned, fellas. There he is. Kyle Long in his home studio. Can I docks where you live, Kyle? Yeah, sure. Boko or atone, Florida. Good spot. Yeah, he leveled up. He left us and he leveled up. I miss Boca. There's actually two Boca's, West Boca and East Boca, come to find out.

There's a dichotomy to the town, which is interesting. Which are you? I'm in eastern Boca Raton. So there's like 95 runs right through town. Oh, yeah. I'm like far from it east towards the water. So we got lucky last year in hurricane season, but people are saying it could be bad this year.

But you're close to Disney. I can see. Close-ish. Orlando, Central Florida. it was probably like a three and a half four hour drive i don't know it flew by you know two kids just flashed do people have a problem when you live there where it's like when the kids like i want to go to disney world you kind of have to go soon because it's close you can't be like well that's that's a long way away maybe for your it's a pressure you feel the pressure immediately upon arriving in florida i

almost feel like disney you know uh it's like state sponsored magic the entire state of florida from their transportation to their entertainment stuff all roads lead to Disney they found a way to do that and they make so much money off the parks um it's crazy i just think it's ridiculous i just think about the dave chapelskit like about going to disney and this having to buy Disney bucks and and just everything when you go in there it's just your wallet is just Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing I can see you getting kicked out of Disney Chris, I'll say this about Disney, though. It really is magic.

Like, when you go there, like, I don't remember going there as a kid. Apparently, we were really young. Let me see what's at Disney these days. But, like, you take your kids to Disney, and you suddenly feel like you're a 12-year-old running around. There's a castle. All your favorite characters are there. Everything looks like, okay, now we're in Switzerland. Now we're in Africa, like, whatever country.

Pick a country. They've got restaurants. Do you know any of the countries? Continent. Are we, we're going to turn this into an African geographical quiz? Let's go. Want to go? Want to go country for a country?

Yeah. One for one? Yeah. One for one? Yeah. I like this. Mali. Botswana.

South Africa. Seychelles. I said that wrong, but you know what I'm saying? Tanzania. Nigeria. Ivory Coast. Oh, I skip. No?

I don't want to play this game, Kyle. Play it until we run out. I don't want to. There's so many countries in Africa, which is such a large continent. Which is why when you said, we're in Africa, I was like, where? 53? My next one was Chad. Chad. They're 54.

54. There's a, I was cheating. There's a, there's like a, like a children's song. Yeah. My daughter watches. Yeah. Kunda and friends. And they have a song literally.

And they say all the continents in Africa. Yeah. My daughter has 50 and all the country. All the country. It's a one word song. That's good. All right. So anyways, that was geography.

Is anybody here draftable? Tanner? What are the red flags that keep you out? Well, Kyle, you'll be fine. The president didn't go because he had a bones burn his foot. You have a cinder block for an ankle. And you can't fit in it. Remember when we called Stanford Steve and told him you were going to the military?

Oh. We April foolsed him and told him you were going to the military. It's such a weird. I wish we had that fucking, that clip to play here. for Kyle. Kyle, have you heard the clip? I might be able to get it. You know what? I got a lot of text messages about it. So you haven't heard the clip.

No. We're going to show you the clip at some point during this show. We're going to stop the show when Tanner has it. Tanner's a one-man band here today because reasons to be. I saw Dad's reaction. Dad was like, I told Dad that you wanted to go to the military that you were enlisting because you didn't like what was going on over there, just generally. And I just want to see the world. And he was like, what?

You can't scare a guy at that age. Yeah, bro. No, you called me that day and did it too. He's like, yo, Kyle's going to the army. And I was just like... Stop, but you believed it a little bit. Everybody I called, I don't know what this says about you, Kyle, but everybody I called for at least a quarter second was like, oh, fuck.

I was more like, I was more like, why are you telling me? Like, are you distraught or like, are you telling people to, You're the only one who can reach... You're the only one who can reach, Kyle. I just wanted to say this. I'm undraftable. Oh, you checked it out? Well, I have...

My hemorrhoids have been terrible. I can't ride around in a tank all day. You know what I mean? You know what's scary about social media? There was a video going viral of, like, a girl was like, oh, I love the army. Look how they feed us and whatever like that. And then the comments are going crazy. like yeah dummy that's a deployment mill that means your guys are about to go to war and this is like a

week ago so they feed you good they start giving you shrimp and lobster i guess so they fat you up and then i was like saturday nights in the NFL yeah that's exactly well no we don't want to make the comparison but sure yeah yeah like in terms see what i mean he's like thinks he's already in the army no i'm saying if if you got something big coming yeah you're gonna do your best as upper management to fatten up you know the herd yeah whatever you're in yeah yeah if you're going for a fucking canoe ride. Respectfully. I'm going to say,

eat a good, you know, in high school football, we'd have all the whole team over and we'd feed the fuck out of them. Tuna pasta, pasta, protein.

We used to go to Golden Corral the night before high school games. The Jaguars, we used to go to Maggianos. Really? Jacksonville. You remember Dante Hall? I do.

The partner. He lived above the Magianos in St. Louis. That's what that's all I remember. But no, no. So we had a good weekend. Kyle Lane came in town. How'd you guys make out on the river?

Any tumbles? A lot of tumbles. A lot of tumbles and some leaks a little bit. But we made it. So here's the deal. When you have somebody like Lane in town, he's my friend. That's the way I think about it. And then suddenly when we get on the river and the water's moving kind of fast and there's a lot of rocks

and you realize that 330 pounds is tough to fit in a boat, you realize you have probably the best tackle on the planet in your care and the future of this podcast and my reputation depends on me getting him down the river oh man and we had a long day didn't we bro i'm gonna say this thank god like i recently like lost 20 pounds with me was just made this the first time me floating like losing 20 pounds and like since i got in this car accident just so it was a lot easier doing that But there's something about when we go on trips and the perception of time or how long the float is potentially going to be. It's always so off.

And I don't know why I still fool myself. It's just me that's planning the trip. To listen. But it's not only you. It's like you, Tom. And then like sometimes read, you guys will be like, yeah, this would be max like a three-hour float. I didn't say that about this float. No, no, no.

I heard Tom say it before we left. I heard. You're listening to Tom. Yeah, I'm just, and that's what I'm saying. I'm just listening. And he was like, yeah, at the max, he was like, he'll be two and a half, three hours. And then maybe if we stop three and a half, yeah, it was a five-hour float. It was six.

No, it was a five-hour float. But it was a six-hour trip. And usually I start crashing out at about like three hours. But thankfully, because of all this physical training I've been doing on my back, my back didn't get sore. Good for you. at like the two and a half hour mark when it usually does and then it starts getting really like, all right, guys. Good for you, John Batesdow.

Fucking Lane had a boat with a hole in it. We realized half the way through Lane had a hole in his boat. He was completely unprepared. I felt bad. But we got him out of here. He's healthy. Eagles fans. He's back training for the upcoming season.

And he's totally healthy. Anything that happens after this is not my fault. I can't even imagine the pressure you felt as like a river. for Elaine because to all your points. One time, you know, similar in fashion to this, when I first signed with the Chiefs, Pat and Travis were in Scottsdale. They knew I was training out there. They were like, let's play golf.

I went to play golf with them. We each got separate carts. I was with like Mike Remmers, who was our right tackle. You guys know Mike Remmers. Yeah, I love. And so we all hit our drives off of like hole six or whatever. We're having a good time. It's my first time really hanging out with Patrick.

I want to make a good impression. and I don't know any of these guys. And we're following Pat and Travis down the, down the cart path. Pat and Travis think it's funny to stop short of their ball. And like, I bought, I hit them pretty good. I could have given Pat and Travis both whiplash. And they both on cue were like, oh, they got out of the car. And I was just like, I.

I had seen a ghost and then thank God Travis couldn't keep it together. He started laughing, but, you know, it reminds me of you talking about Elaine. Like, you can't fuck that up. Yeah, you break you by. Chris literally was saying, I can't afford it. I can't afford it. He was like, I have to act like dad right now. But he was, I always have to act like dad, man.

I'm like that. Speaking of Howie, Howie Roseman, that's the first call you're going to get. Exactly. I'm going to get a call from Harry Rosen. What the fuck are you doing? I could just imagine the live chat. Go ahead. What those dudes would say. All right. So, so. I got the Army video ready.

You got the Army video? Can we hear it? Yeah, yeah. Kyle called me. He's joining the Army. That's what I want to tell Dad right now. Okay. It's good. Yo, buddy. What's going on? Not much. How you doing? I'm good. Kyle just called me. And this, you're not going to believe this one. He's okay. Everything's fine. But he's joining the fucking army. Air Force

April Wool's I didn't want to let that ride too long the old God the way he said oh God Hello This is the best one Kyle my brother Is joining the army

What? Yeah dude He just enlisted Really? Yeah dude Wow Who are you talking to I'm talking to Steve

Oh you're telling him about Kyle Yeah Unbelievable They said he's too big to do like half the stuff that they're supposed to do. So he's he's supposed to drive tanks because he can't fit in the normal cars.

No. No. Thanks are small. Steve, Steve goes no. Oh, Jesus. Kev. What up? Dude, you're not going to believe this.

Okay. Kyle just enlisted into the United States armed forces. What? Yeah. He ships off to Moratoria tomorrow. It's not even a fight.

It's not even real place. You're kidding me. No. Moratorium. He did it like three weeks ago. I didn't tell anybody. I'm going to call from Kyle Long. Okay, call.

Yeah, pick up. Kyle? Stop, stop. What are you doing? I got drafted. I got drafted. Kyle? What did I say?

I hung up. You hit me with like a, Kyle called me. Like, you were on to it. And you hit me with like a, these nuts joke or something. Yeah, you told me some location. I made it these nuts out of the location.

Yeah, exactly. And so Steve, that was just the highlight tape of that. Steve, that conversation went on like six minutes. You can check that one out on Greenlight. Let's talk about last night, basketball. We got to give people what they want. I know people here listening to this podcast generally don't care about basketball, but that was a game seven.

And I forced myself to watch it. And of course, like five minutes in the game, Halliburton pops his Achilles. Right? So we end up in a situation where we're like, this game's probably going to suck. It felt like the Pacers couldn't get anything going after that. Oklahoma City is incredible defensively. Incredible defensively. Very young.

Presti put it together. It felt like overnight. And with everything that this franchise has been through, since the move from Seattle. I was wondering if you guys thought you could find an NFL comp for this Oklahoma City team. That's a way we can talk about the NBA

is compare this team to either a past or present NFL team. So I was wondering what you guys thought. So just off the fact that OKC is the youngest NBA team, just comparing it to that, I would say Green Bay. That's a good one.

Green Bay has a lot of young guys. I feel like they probably do have a team where, hey, you get in the playoffs, you win a couple of games in a row, you can make it to the big stage. It's not like a seven-gay series like the NBA, but it's kind of similar in the sense. You've got to win, once you get into the final, you've got to win four games and win it all. Right. Once you make it to the playoffs, it's four games, right? What do you mean? Yeah, the NFL is.

Yeah, if you're a wildcar team, if you're a wildcard round team. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I feel like, and I feel like in that comparison, they're similar. And then another reason why is Green Bay, they have that whole small market. Every ticket, season ticket holder is an owner. And I feel like, OKC, like I feel like those fans, they take a lot of pride in kind of being a small market. but they have a great fan base. They have a great team.

And I just feel like... This is if Green Bay went on a run. Yeah. If they... If Green Bay went on a run. If they went on a run. I could see that. I'm saying.

That's what I say. It's the kind of thing where they win... If they get into the wild card or to the playoffs, I don't feel like they're an automatically easy win for anybody once in the postseason. Last year, I didn't think Jordan Love played that well. But, like, if you looked at them the second half of the year before, I remember the game they knocked off the chiefs at home and that sort of thing. And the big win in the playoffs against the Cowboys, I think that was two years ago, right?

It felt like they were starting something special and they regressed a little bit last year. But to the point, small market youth, I like that comparison. Kyle, who do you like? Yeah, I love what Nate said doing the Green Bay thing. But I think it's almost disrespectful a little bit to Oklahoma City because that's a proper big city. If you've been to Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's like the stadium, a couple places named after, a couple of folks that have Italian names that were important in the history of football, and then, you know, some beautiful houses that have been transitioned into Airbnb's.

Oklahoma City is just that. It's a city. And the Chiefs is a team that reminds me of the Oklahoma City Thunder's roster, because I'm looking at the same list, I think, with the youngest to oldest rosters in the NFL, And only 180 days on average older are the Chiefs. So 24.9 years old for the Packers, 25.4 for the Chiefs, number four on the list last year. And they have a team that plays great defense. That's what's carried the Kansas City Chiefs throughout this dynasty is what we can call it. I mean, I know they got blown out in the Super Bowl, but let's face it, we're in the midst of a Mahomes dynasty, Kansas City Chief's dynasty.

Young superstar, this guy, SGA, I don't watch a lot of basketball. basketball, but his name comes up so much that I find myself watching highlights. I feel like that's almost the Mahomes effect. Oklahoma City and Kansas City both kind of mid-big markets. Both cities. Not urban metropolis type deal, but both have superstars on the offensive side of the ball, both have good defense. That's my con.

Yeah. And people bitch about Mahomes for what? his ability to draw fouls. And that's what they say about SGA as well. Oh, that's interesting. He is a foul merchant. Yeah, and also to the point, like, the season he just put together,

clean sweep, MVP, Western Conference Finals, MVP, NBA Finals MVP, and NBA champion. Like, that's an incredible season. It's one of the best all-time guard seasons. His dad is hilarious, too. Oh, his dad's, yeah, that's funny.

His dad was on Jeff Teague's podcast. Which is great podcast. It's amazing. And he was just going off. He was like, yeah. He was like, he's like, you need to produce an MVP. He's like, let me just breed your girl. Yeah, that's just crazy.

People got to get their dads, bro. Yo. People got to get their dads. Halliburton's got to get his dad respectfully. SGA's got to get his dad. Some of these old cats, man. They're just so funny. They've been waiting, dude.

Bro, just waiting. If my kid ever. fucking hits it big. I'm going to go on a podcast and talk about breeding. So I just say this. I look back and I don't think it's a current team. You think about like a historically good defense, a young team. Because OKC, by all accounts, historically good defense. I think about the 2014 Seahawks. I think that was the year that they won the Super Bowl.

They beat the Broncos, beat the breaks off the Broncos. You know, the difference is Russell Wilson has never got an MVP vote. SGA, MVP this season, beating out guys the likes of Yokic and that sort of thing. So, you know, from a star power standpoint, like an individual star power standpoint, maybe Russ isn't SGA. But that team was great defensively. They were young. They had a young core. And I think the other thing that kind of ties it together is, if you think about OKC,

the first installment of the Thunder was that big three. And it broke up. And everybody's like, what might have been? And I'm not comparing this team directly to that OKC team, but the Seahawks, the prior installment of the Seahawks, was 13 and 3. I think it was 2004 or 2005, something like that. They lost to the Steelers in the Super Bowl in Detroit.

They were 13 and 3. They had Hasselback, Walter Jones. They had MVP Sean Alexander. They couldn't get it done. So you turn that program over and then you end up with that young nuclear. and end up winning a Super Bowl. If I had to compare a team to that OKC, big three team that broke up,

it'd probably be the 98 Vikings. I was looking back at that. They had Randall Cunningham, they had Chris Carter, and they had Randy Moss. And you were like, dude, how many championships could an offense like this win, right?

And they broke up, Moss left, and they ended up losing that year to the Atlanta Falcons and the NFC championship. So I see a Seattle kind of programmatic parallel here. The only thing that's really ironic about it is Seattle, you know, Oklahoma City,

that was a Seattle team. That was the Seattle Supersonic. So in a twist of irony, I am comparing them to the Seattle Seahawks. Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah. But, yeah, no, it's a fun team. Definitely two small market teams.

You could feel that watching the finals. I mean, like... Here's a NFL question that kind of correlates. with this, do you think we'll ever have, say, international or maybe I'm overlooking, but like, do you think we'll ever have like a quarterback in the NFL that's? That's international? I think that's what they want. International, that, that would be competing for like an MVP, not just like a starter,

but like like like. Like if I Tiro Suzuki, the quarterback shows up and just blows the doors off the NFL. Within 25 years, I'm not. I don't know that we'll have an Otani where it's like the best player we've ever seen, arguably. Did you just imagine a six, five, do it all, offense, defense, you know, just unbelievable. So many people's heads would explode because, you know, the American gatekeeping. You know, I do it myself. I'm like, we're the best at it.

Like, you know. Well, think about what's happening in the NBA. Look at this series. You have the stars on both teams are Canadian guys. Yep. And then we actually had an American one. White play a big role in Chet Holmgren. And what's his name?

My guy from the Knicks. Who are you talking about? Hardinstein? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and him. You think you're giving us some love? Yeah, he'll be white.

But what I'm saying is the game is global. It's like, you know, you also have Seaccom played a big role on the Pacers. Like, there were more international-born players that played big roles on this team, these teams, than not. So I think the NBA is like gone global. We know that the NFL, like we want to do that eventually. They're talking about adding teams in the UK and that's what I think. We're going to Australia this year.

We'll see. We'll see. He said that. We'll see. The other thing I want to talk about is the Achilles thing because and good on OKC for not cheering the Achilles rupture as the good folks in Toronto did to Kevin Durant years ago. The nicest people on the planet Canadians. Sick of. But I think it's so interesting on a couple levels, like, number one, we've got three guys wearing zero that got hurt this postseason, right?

So we talk about the curse of zero. I'll get to that in a minute. But also, there is definitely an uptick in Achilles ruptures in the NBA at least. You want to know my- What's your theory? One of my little theories is guys are too worried about looking cool. Like back in the days, it was always known the higher top the sneakers, kind of the more protection on your ankle, your lower leg, your Achilles. Like the Rashid Wallace had the uptown, Nike's, but all these guys now, like, and it used to be a thing where you only kind of see point guards or smaller guys wearing these three-quarter sneakers where like the entirety of your ankle and your lower is kind of showing.

So it's just some of these injuries. I wonder would it be less if you wear a shoe that maybe is less appealing to you? It doesn't look that cool. But if it's going to protect you and it's going to maybe make it 80% less chance of this happening, I think guys should maybe start thinking about that or Nike, start gearing your shoes and protect your athletes. Because at the end of the day, everyone loses when something like this happens. Like, yeah, you can salvage it and do certain things, marketing.

But that game would have been much better if Halliburton was in it the entire time. Maybe not. Maybe not. Because OK, C's blown some teams out. Yeah, but of course it would. It is just the fact that even having to think about that, like, dang, like, we probably could have saw a better game. Maybe we would have. Maybe we wouldn't have.

But no one wants to see one of the headliners of the NBA kind of like go down. When he hit the deck and they showed his face, I was like, God, it's got to be an Achilles. the way he was like, no, no, no. And you know he's dealing with a calf. And I dealt with a calf leading up to the Super Bowl when I was with the Patriots. And it felt like I had lots of concerns. Chief among them was my Achilles.

Like they told you to keep your Achilles loose the whole time. Like you knew it was a little bit of a risk. You think about the explosiveness that these athletes play with. It's easy to say. And I texted like five of my trainers last night to ask them what they thought was the deal. And, you know, they brought up, hey, I wonder if load management is an issue. shoe like actually like guys in load managing guys you're actually uh you're taking away the stresses that prepare them for this march um it could be the shoes people brought up you know there's a trend

away from dorsiflection and part of that is the shoes and dorsiflection is obviously like point your toes towards your shin yep um which we talk about a lot in football is past rush and that sort of thing and a lot of them mentioned step back that step back motion high velocity yes is something that keeps popping up um i even heard heard one guy say, hey, it could be sugar intake. Impact glycation of collagen matrix. It decreases tensile strength. Okay, so if you're a trainer and you're listening to this, you might think all that shit. Here's one thing I think that's pretty simple. And it's kind of counterintuitive because you think, hey, guys like Carl Malone played 82 games and they never load managed. And it felt like guys,

when we were growing up in the 90s watching never pop their Achilles. So how is that? Because these guys are playing some fraction of that workload and they're still getting hurt. I think there's just no way around it. The athletes are getting more explosive. They're getting faster. And I think the pace of the game is crazy. So like, yeah, you might have played 48 minutes back in the day. You might have played 82 games.

And I'm not discounting the load on these guys. And I also think, yeah, like training camp in the NFL before they started reducing, it could actually ramp up injury prevention in a weird way in the same way. But I think if you look back at a game in the 90s, what did teams do for the most part? They dribble down the court and they ate up the entire shot clock and you spent most of your time playing half court defense. Like this game is all transition. It's leaping. It's jumping.

It's running. It's sprinting. And these guys are all so fast. So I don't think the tendon has kept up with the bigger, stronger, faster nature of the players and also the pace of the game. And you can load manage all you want. But like these guys are so explosive. and now you're talking about like we're 20 games into the postseason. Yeah.

So I do think like I do think it's probably shoes. I think it's probably a number of things, but it's also the fact that it's unavoidable. If you're going to play an 82 game season and you're going to play an entire playoff and you're going to play this fast, this explosive, like guys are going to pop their Achilles. They're going to get hurt. Yeah. And I mean, we all heard like it was I believe it was the same leg that he had the calf injury in.

And just like you were saying, It's when you're working or or rehabbing one thing, you're probably compensated. Yes. You're probably compensating a lot in your everyday just like walking around or whatever you're doing where you don't even know it. And that's something where I just feel like with that calf and, hey, it's the last game of the season. You're probably giving it everything you got even though you know your calf and your leg is probably not 100%. And I just wonder if, you know, everything he's been doing this playoff to get that calf right, you're compensating and you're stressing that Achilles. Don't guys often pop the other Achilles when they're trying to come back from the one?

Kyle, do you remember that? Like, guys in football that, like, they'll be rehabbing the one and then they'll pop the other one, that sort of thing. So it's kind of like, to your point. You wonder what came first, the chicken or the egg? Does the guy have a physical predisposition to having an Achilles injury, or is it because of the rehab process. Right. And given up love to the right one and the left one went or whatever the hell happened.

But Chris, I think you hit the nail on the head. 82 games, 83 games, whatever the hell they're doing of this style basketball with these level of athletes, it's like when you buy a gaming computer, you should be able to open the box and just play games. Some people like to overclock the computers to make the graphics even better and the game perform even better. That's this version of NBA athletes and the game that they play. quick transitions, leaping, Olympic sprinter level athletes.

Back in the day, Chris, as you painted a picture of, it was half court sets, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. That guy's open, bad defense. Yeah, back for the basket, big. Physical at the basket. These, like, I think they need to shorten the games. And I think we're going to see that with the NFL too because we're overclocking the NFL athletes as well, bigger strong.

I don't think that the NFL is ever going to say, hey, less. But I think the NBA could at one point say, because it is such a play. players league and because the product is so harmed by one star getting hurt, like they should look at either shortening the season. So you're not getting this weird load management thing where people are showing up to games like kids buy a ticket to a game like two months out. That can't happen. And they're like, oh, LeBron's playing tonight. No, he's not. You know, like that's a real thing. And that's probably not enough to like make the NBA do anything. But when you start losing your stars, that's another thing. Okay, the zero, the curse of the zero.

I have a theory. All right. Okay. So who are the three players that got hurt this postseason? Jason Tatum, Dane Lillard, and then we had Tyrese Hallib. They all wear zero, right? So, you know, I started looking at players that wore zero historically in the major four sports leagues. And, you know, you got your Gilbert arenas who seem to have some bad luck.

I bring all my guns to the world. Right, which has nothing to do with injury. Right. and that sort of thing. And I went all the way back and I was like, well, who was the first guy to wear zero? Does anybody know who the first guy

to wear zero was? Greg Oster tag. Nope. That was double zero, right? Nope. Nope. It was Jim Otto. Malone.

Jim Otto of the Raiders way back in the day, center Jim Otto. Oh. So I was like, well, maybe Jim Otto got it. Single zero, double. He wore a, it was a double or a single. I don't know what it was a double.

Which is even worse, I guess. So gangster, dude. So here's the deal. I was like, well, maybe Jim Otto got hurt a bunch. And I was reading his Wikipedia, and he played in all 210 of his games. He never missed the game. So I was like, well, maybe he made a deal with the devil. And he played in all his games.

And he took all the good health for all the zeros. And then all of them after that actually have suffered injuries like the ones we've seen in the NBA postseason. That's not the case. What happened is Jim Otto actually had 74 operations. He had 28 knee surgeries. he had 20 broken noses. He had over 200 face stitches

in his career. I think Jim Otto I think Jim Otto started all this. I think it's the curse of Jim Otto. I think Jim Otto made a deal with the devil and the devil was like, hey, you're going to get to play in all 210 of your games

and then you're going to suffer mightily the rest of your life. And he was like, deal. And then the devil was like, hey, one more thing. There's going to be these three NBA players like 25 years after you die, they're all going to pop their Achilles and Jim was like done.

And I think it's the curse of Jim Otto. I think anybody that wears zero needs to be careful because Jim Otto has cursed the number by accruing over 74 operations. Did Jim ever win a Super Bowl? I don't know, no, but he lost five AFC championship games, which is also bad luck. Chris, when I go to like a place like a shooting range,

I wonder what the back wall is made out of. and after that rap sheet from our guy Jim Otto, it's obvious to me that they just make it out of Jim Otto. They make it out of Jim Otto, dude. Jim Otto's a destructible dude. They full auto, Jim Otto all day. Well, can you imagine what kind of surgeries were they doing back in the day? I was just about to ask.

They were like Civil War field surgeries. Man. They were just like cut here. They gave him a bottle of whiskey. Jim Otto used to drink whiskey and bite a towel. Played games with leeches on his neck. That's part of the question is like 74 operations. He said he had a couple dozen concussions too.

Yes. What do you think was worse for his brain over time? Like 24 concussions. I mean, you can't get anesthesia that many times, right? No. No. So probably he was just raw dog in some of these surgeries. Either that or he had so much anesthesia to your point that it was actually bad for his brain.

But you tack on the 24 concussions. And me and Nolan. What year was he playing? He was playing. like the 60s and 70s. That's when they, that's what 65, like, when they, when they start closing up the face mask, because 20 broken nose is crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

Like, that's crazy. But if your face mask is just wide open, you're playing center, I can, I can understand that. No question. And that disproves, that disproves the ever-present theory that without face masks, there would be less concussions because people would be less willing to put their face in it. No. Quite honestly, I don't think the public is ready. for a 4K eyeball hanging out of a...

No, that's like... That's like... That's happened in basketball. No, that's happened in the football movie we just talked about the other day with Al Pacino, the greatest any given Sunday. Remember the guy's eye falls out? Oh, God.

So, anyways, I just caution... Now, here's a guy with one eyeball. Yeah, now here's a guy. Jim also relayed a story where he once got hit so hard by Ray Nitzky that he broke so helmet and face mask break he broke his nose his cheekbone

his zygomatic archbone which I think is this thing right here detached the retina in his left eye he was blind for six months after that

didn't leave the game he didn't leave the game with that no way dude no way they said one time he had like amnesia for three days he was like his

wife was like, hey, I'm your wife. And he was like, oh. He said, who's this chick? Yeah, he said, or maybe he was just pretending. I might try that one. This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife. How did I get here?

Oh, and I want to ask you guys this. Do you think, I want to say, he doesn't know the talking heads. I want to, I want to say it the right way. But just like when like, Dankdell went down, like that was more of like a gruesome injury and like, I guess, their reaction or like seeing your teammate kind of like in agony and pain, like what that does for you in the moment as a team trying to win a game. Like that game wasn't obviously as important as this game. But do you think if Halliburton goes down and maybe like doesn't have that reaction even if he knows he's done and he's just kind of like how like Kobe did?

Like Kobe got up and shot a free throw, kind of like big dog did out. Like, I'm asking, like, do you think your teammates seeing that would maybe push them differently than seeing that, like, seeing your teammate, your leader kind of like in agony, kind of like really down, kind of knowing. I think that can shock you on the football field. I think like the reaction is one thing. But when you see a guy's leg sideways, like on the football field, like that can take the air. out of the room a little bit. Especially when it's yours.

Yeah, when it's your leg. You might not make any more sense that day. But I do think, like, watching the game last night, you didn't need to be a basketball expert to realize this. It's just totally threw indie off. Like, from a basketball standpoint, they're so good at guarding. I mean, it was just like, there were times where you couldn't get a shot up. Yeah.

And so, yeah. That was the NBA. That was Achilles' talk. and again like even NFL players if you're listening to this be careful when you when you switch to zero because there is the curse of Jim Otto um I think it's time for uh I think it's time for a green light mailbag I asked these guys uh mailbag are our esteemed staff to source a mailbag for us today and um and Nolan's got that mailbag so let's take it from there all right so first question is Obviously, big news out of the NBA in addition to the finals was Kevin Durant, Trade of the Rockets.

What team do you associate Durant with and why? Now, this is the Mandela effect because I think Seattle's Sonsics. I don't even know if he played for the Supersonics. I remember him the most with James Harden and Russell Westbrook. and that was the team that you picked in NBA 2K because you had the three archetypes of offensive weapons and you could just dominate people. Serge Abaka was on the team as well.

He was the angel Reese of the boards for their team. And that's who I remember him has. I couldn't even name the teams he's played for since. I think I stopped watching basketball when that big three couldn't win an NBA team. Okay, hold on a second. The Mandela effect is a phenomenon where large groups of people share the same false memories.

What is that? How does it apply? The Bernstein Bears or... I remember him as like the Tony Boussel. You remember the movie Shazam? No. A lot of people do remember there was a movie Shazam with Simbad. Okay, I remember Simbad was in a movie.

And he's like a genius or a wizard. Yes, okay, I remember this. So everyone remembers it. And then Simbad comes out and says, I've never been in a movie like that. And people, and then, like, you try to find it. And here and there, there'll be clips. But, like, people real, and that's one of those things.

And you'll be like, no, I've, I've seen a movie or not. And right now, it's up in the air. What? Come on. What the fuck are we talking about, dude? That's what I'm saying. That's the Beersinstein effect, bro. The Berenstine effect?

Or, or. The Mandela effect. Mandela. Mandela. And then, like, the Beardinstein, something with the Berenstein Bears, one was, it was how it was, it's spelled, I believe. People saw the logo and they were like, that's not what it looked like when I was a kid. So it's like this mass,

like a giant group of people. I think, remember something one way. But in the current day, it's not that way. So they're like, all right, we're in a different timeline or something. And this applies to the Oklahoma City Thunder. So he did not play for the Seattle Super Super Bowl. No, he did not. Okay, that's what you mean by the Man. No, he did not play.

The first year he was there. The first year, he was there. He did. They still were the Sonny. Golly. I guess they were having a Mandela thing. No, but also the reason why I know that is just because of jerseys, you know. He had the fire, the fire, Seattle. He wore number five, right? 35.

35. Yes. 35. Golly, did I forget that year? Yeah, but it's only one year. And then they got bought. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yep. I forget that whole year. Who else was on that Sonics team? I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea. That's wild, dude. Look how baggy shorts era. Yeah.

That's crazy. But I would agree, like, although I don't think, I mean, he played for one. He played nine years, I think, in Oklahoma City, which seems like a lot longer than I remember, right? Because he's been on so many teams. He's been in league forever. Right. He's been in league forever. I have a pitcher with Kevin Durant in Club Love.

And at the time, he was probably 18 and he had the big X on his hand. Like, he's in the club. Just to get in. Like, yeah, like, I guess. They marked him with a marker. Like, you can get in the club, 18, the party, 21 to drink. So you get a big X. And it's just funny to think about.

Use a new Sharpie after his hand. So big. Yeah, they ran out of ink. Right? I was taking a picture with one of the best basketball players in the world. Hell yeah, dude. But here's the thing. He won an MVP in Oklahoma City, but he won two finals MVP's with Golden State and became a champion.

And like for somebody who I really do believe he puts being a champion above all else to a fault, like right? Where, you know, LeBron had the decision and he was a little bit more like apologetic about it. I mean, in the beginning at the decision decision, it was like, hey, fuck Cleveland. I'm going to Miami. But it feels like LeBron tried to explain it away a little bit better at different times, like where Kevin Durant was just like, I don't need to explain to anybody. Like I just go where I want, wherever my best opportunity is. From the DMV. He's like, he's a, he's a, he's a rolling stone, dude.

And, and, but I do, I associate him mostly with Golden State. And I think that's who he would want to be associated with. The shame of it is the way that thing broke up, right? Like, especially now with SGA being probably the most beloved thunder player of all time. Like, like, he's not going to want to be a thunder. He's not going to want to be remembered as an OKC guy going into the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Yeah, I do think it's Golden State.

Yeah. And it's crazy for just thinking about, like, the same thing you're talking about. Yo, SGA was on the Hornets. That's fucking nuts. Like, I think Jordan draft him, and then they got rid of him. And Jordan takes a lot of shit for the way they drafted. Like, are you sure Jordan drafted him? I don't know.

I mean, I might have forgotten about this whole thing, just like the, I can't hear Kyle. Can't hear Kyle either. But no, I think, um. I like that we're going with that. Sorry, the dog was barking. I muted myself. Yeah. Yeah.

No, yeah, but I'm, I think he, Jordan was like in the tower. I think he was there or he was there when they decided to get rid of him. And now he's a megastar. Yeah, no, no, that's all. Great for SGA. But to that point, I just think, I think of Durant on the Warriors. And that's no, there's no easy answer. There's no easy answer.

This Rockets chapter is going to be interesting. I can't wait for it. He gave away like a Ricky Williams. I'd be lying if I said I couldn't wait for it. Assar Thompson is or it's it's it's wait which which one is it one of the twins the Thompson kid that's on the Rockets or it's I think it's amen the Thompson kid that's on the Rockets I think him and KD together they're gonna be it's gonna be like really good really good basketball we'll see and just just a quick so SGA was on the Clippers not the

Hornets oh see look that's a Mandela effect and down yeah Mandela effect Mandela Effect when we totally misremember things Because we have CT Are three NFL players in the room Multiple franchises represented between you guys Who were some coaches you wish you got to play for? I have a list, Chris Kyle hit us with it

Not all of them are I didn't think that we were just doing football No it doesn't have to be Can be any You did like the lady bond here's coach. I saw a YouTube clip from 1983 with Temple head football coach Bruce Ariens. And it's, it was a striking video because his coaching style, his tone, his messaging was like identical to what we see and hear from him recently or in recent memory. there's only a handful of coaches whose styles last throughout like you know could do it for a very long time

random but bruce arians is a guy that i think i really want to play with play under uh seems like he treats his staff well his players well he wins he's a quarterback guy so you're going to get a lot out of the quarterback kurt russell in the miracle um they did some special stuff uh phil Jackson and then in parentheses I wrote you you will have good teammates because everywhere that Phil Jackson went he had like the best players of all time that's true and uh and then two serious answers John Madden and or Bill Cowher uh I get to work with Bill Cowher his teams were tough and I feel like I would fit into a locker room that he would have and then John Madden obviously just because we love his game so much.

Madden would have been great. Yeah. I got a few coaches that I definitely would have played for. Before I say that to, SGA was drafted by Charlotte. Oh! And traded that night. You got Mandela.

I got Mandela. To the clipper. Yeah, so you were right. And I think that was Jordan. That did that. And he traded him. Yes. Come on, right.

Didn't even get to see him in the office yet. Crying Jordan, me. Unbelievable. No, but the two coaches, I think I would have definitely wanted to play for. One is Tomlin. I'm a huge Mike Tomlin fan. I think just the way he runs, or just from the outside looking in, just the way he runs his team, the way he speaks to his guys.

I feel like he speaks to all his players on kind of a man-to-man level. Not saying all coaches don't do that, but all coaches don't do that. Yeah, no, no, no, no. So it's just refreshing to see someone kind of like anytime they're on camera or you kind of hear people talk, he's the same, he seems like he's the same person. And then another guy just because Al Groh came from his tree,

I think I definitely would have wanted to play for Bill and just see how, what type of things defensively I would have maybe learned or I would have. would know just being in meetings and being around someone like Bill Belichick for a training camp in a season just to see. Number one for me, I think the power of not wanting to disappoint your coach because you respect and love the coach is paramount in the NFL and in football. You can be afraid of a coach. That definitely factors. But it's best if you respect the guy, because we all know when your parents says, I'm not mad, I'm disappointed.

That crushes you. It hurts a little bit more. If Dan Campbell was disappointed in me, I would make it right. Dan Campbell would be number one for me for all the reasons that everybody knows. I think number two for me would be Sean McVeigh. Interestingly enough, Sean McVey coached the team that I was cut from when it moved from St. Louis to L.A. I'm glad things worked out the way they worked out. But had I been on the team for some reason, I think it would have really like Sean McVe.

I also heard that Sean McVeigh takes good care of his players physically. and gives them lots of days off, something I never got at the end of my career. It's no problem, Doug Peterson. You're my guy, but I never got a day off. And then third, probably for me, amongst active coach is another guy. We had on the show recently in Dan Quinn.

I love Dan Quinn. I almost got a chance to play for him when I chose the Patriots over the Falcons. And then a wild card for you, like an all-time coach. I would have like to play for Joe Paterno. I would have blown the whistle. You know, I'd like to think I would have blown the whistle. I was waiting for the

stop I didn't say I want to know I just said I would have made that I would have made that situation right a programming question last week or whatever it was two weeks ago US Open had the rain delay and they showed highlights of Tiger Woods in the 08

US Open yeah say the Super Bowl has some kind of weather delay and you're in charge of keeping fans his eyes on the screen what iconic games Are you showing them to keep those ratings up? Easy. Tavon Austin's highlight.

Yeah. Oh, great call. Yeah. Easy. Throwing on Tavon Austin's highlight tape and say, hey, babe, watch this, babe. I don't think in football there's a guy that has more like high school notoriety than Tavon Austin. He has to be like one of the- You know how in basketball, everybody knows like, hey, you should have seen this guy playing in high school.

There's footage of this guy at O'Kill or whatever. like but everybody knows tavan austin's highlight tape and tavern austin to this day and he didn't have like an amazing pro career but he was a teammate of mine and one of the best teammates i ever had and was was a good player good returner the whole thing um but he'll meet like legends in the game and they're like they're starstruck they'll be like yo that's tavon awesome i used to watch your highlight tape in high school so that's a great call um uh a yvon story chris you do yeah what is it so i took So pre-draft, you take all these visits to all these, you know, teams. Yeah.

I forget where I was, but you land at the airport. There's a guy waiting for you on the curb, and he's like, we're waiting for one more, two more, three more guys. There's a lot of guys on their visits. All right, we're going to the car. All the guys round up, a couple big O-Lignment or whatever. So I got to the back seat, and the front seat is tilted all the way back, and it's scooted all the way back. And I'm like, who the fuck's up there? Like, Ralph Sampson?

and I look around and it's this little guy and I'm like dude me and the other alarm are looking each other like fuck this guy and then we end up meeting him and it's Tavon Austin and I would have been pissed if it was just some jackass but like the fact that Tavon Austin big boy does like that like big dog does also one of the coolest guys though one of the best one of the best high energy guys one of the best like bring the vibe in a locker room up guys ever, Tavon Austin. Along the same lines of like not an actual game, I would show them the greatest hits of bad beats.

Bad beats, Scott Van Pelt, Stanford Steve, shout out to two friends of the program. I think that's peak sports entertainment. If you're going to show them a highlight reel of something, I would show them the best bad beats of all time. If it was a game, and this is a little bit personal to me, but it would be the Virginia Purdue, I think it was the Elite 8 game the year that Virginia won the Natty.

I think it was 2019. Also, it was the greatest sports year of all time for me because the Blues won the Stanley Cup as well. But Carson Edwards hit like 10 threes. It's regarded as one of the best tournament games of all time. And that's not just Virginia fans saying that. It ends, of course, with an intentional miss free throw and a tip with like three seconds to go to half court.

And we get a long pass into Diakite, and Diakite hits the shot that sends it in overtime and Virginia wins in overtime. The second half of that game from about like 12 minutes to go on was the best sequence of basketball I've ever seen. I watched it in Vegas in my hotel room. I had to leave the sports book. I was too nervous. That was the best basketball game I've ever seen. Nice. I would just go Rams Chiefs, Jared Gawfers, Patrick Mahon.

54-51. Come on. Put it up there. Come on. Wasn't that the, were they, was that, were they in like a ketchup and mustard kind of situation that night? It was color rush, full red, full yellow at the Coliseum, I believe. It was like how football was supposed to be played.

There was two young quarterbacks going at it. Mahomes was like, it was his hello world. Speaking of Tiger Woods, that was like his hello world moment. Then I just start showing them random regular season games that were electric. And they'd be like, what the fuck? Why am I watching DJ Moore? Or any cop. of a player from the mid-2000s with linger by cranberries on it will have me watching it like four times you like the song linger there are there is a trend that i don't know if the trend's coming past you'll have to ask some of these younger gentlemen but they just put videos up of like a mike all stop uh running the ball like nostalgic shit yeah yeah dude just put that up there or you put the old school the cd disc screenie saver that hits the

corners. That's not a DVD. And you just wait for it to hit perfectly in the corner and the crowd just goes wild. But the fact if you did that, how many people would know what's up and how many people would cheer? It'll probably be good. It'd be like a wave in there.

Yeah. Nolan is gone. Fire alarm went off. Oh, fire alarm went off. Fannie, you want to take over for him? I'm taking over. So next mailbag question. I hope Nolan doesn't.

dying a fire. Oh yeah, hopefully he's okay. We're praying for him. You're going to be watching a lot of tape with me, Tanner. Oh, God. Tanner, what happened to that three technique there? Well, you see. All right, so the next mailback question is how to approach a celebrity. A fan sees you in public and wants a picture, autograph, what's the proper etiquette, coach them up, how should they go about it? Had this happen the other night. Cacheers check usually works. Yeah. That's always. I'm just joking. That's always.

Can a dip? No. Yeah. For one. Maybe a beer. Hey, for local, for locals, if you see Dr. Fax out and we're at the bar and you want to chop it up, offer me a drink. Offer to buy me a drink.

I was going to say, don't buy me a drink. No. Offer to buy me a drink. At least ask. Just want a good conversation. Hey, hey, hey, you want to drink, Dr. Fax? If you're especially going to be the guy to do the, yo, you should get me on the pod. You should get me on the pie.

Do people do it? that to you bro someone this week this kid came up to me and he was like yo green light was good this black kid and he's like yo y'all should get me on the pod chris knows me he got me on social media i hit him up on the dm before you should get me on the pod didn't say his name didn't say anything and he just kept saying that get me on the pod we need to do what we need to do what druski does have like an audition yeah we need to do another yeah love folks yeah we got to do another one and just give your best take here's a big one for me don't buy me a shot seriously like you got to now i have to take a shot and like if i meet three people at the bar i'm going to be toast

in addition to all the drinks i'm drinking there on my personal time so don't buy me a shot that's funny just come up and say what's up um i also think this is a big one this is a big pet peeve of mine and it's popped up twice in the last month don't do this don't ever do this don't ever do this don't ever fucking do this. I've given people grace the last month, but the next person that does this to me, I'm not going to like you. It's not going to go well.

And I'm not saying that you should be afraid that it's not going to go well. I'm not going to do anything to you, but I will dislike you. And the interaction will not go well. This guy at the gas station the other day, he's in his car, and I walk out of the BP, and he reached out of the car and he does this. And, you know, what I did?

I walked over. Yeah, I would have been working. I would have turned around. I walked over. He's like, my wife wants to meet you. I'm like, Jesus Christ, what is this? This is a cuck situation. I'm not into that, buddy.

Like, what is this? My wife wants to meet you. And then I had to sit in the back seat while you meet my wife. Yeah, he gets out of the car. He's in the back seat. Come here. My wife's the Big Eagles and Rams fan. I hate that.

That's one of my least favorite things, man. Just show people respect. I'll never say no. I'll never say no to a picture and autograph. especially because I'm washed and moderately famous. Like I should be appreciative every time somebody knows who I am. So I'm never going to be an asshole. But if you do this, that's a bad deal.

And also, if you walk up to me and my wife, definitely introduce yourself and like shake her hand and show her respect before you hand her the phone and ask her to take a picture of us. That's a big one. And also, too, if you're a fan, just say hello. Like, don't do the weird. yeah don't don't hover don't don't do it exactly don't do that like and if you don't know if you don't know who I am don't come up and say who are you and then ask for my autograph because if you're not sure

who I am and you're willing to ask me for an autograph like that means you you just you're just a simp right yeah like if I was going to ask somebody for an autograph it's got to be somebody I love like don't do the who are you I know you do something and also don't do the hey you're howie's kid i'm 40 years old i have a name you're still howie's kid you know what i'm saying though but howie's son try that you do kid i'll have people who are like five years younger than me be like oh you're howie's kid i'm like you motherfucker was born in 1985 oh man i'm too old to be drafted oh my i'm 40 i don't what is the cutoff for that for the draft yeah are you starting to get

worried? Well, I'm 25. You're right in there. I'm about to turn 26 in October. But you're right in there. Or-a-voir. Got bonespurs. Yeah. Yeah, well, that worked for somebody. Yeah, it's going to work again for me. Kyle, what do you, you're a big

Honorie guy. What do you? I'm going. No, I'm back. That's what we told Dad. But what do fans have to do to get a good Kyle? To get the good Kyle. Be yourself. You can always tell when somebody these like first and foremost like you said chris it's always an honor when people are like

i recognize you you know it's kind of a cool thing to be recognized and yeah uh i get recognized obviously less living in south florida than i would in charlottesville or in chicago but uh it's always cool i would say keep it quick if i'm with my family and my you know stuff like that if i'm at starbucks and i've got a stroller and a dog and you know I love talking to people. I love saying hello. I love that you want to talk to me. But like,

we got shit to do, homie. Yeah, yeah, as you can see, I'm like, I'm like a pack rat. I have all the family's things on me.

Like, and also my kids are running around. And that's another thing. Don't take a picture of, don't ask for a picture if I'm with my kids. Like, you know,

if I'm holding my daughter or something, I can't put her down. You know, like I'm not going to give her to somebody else. So anyways. Not that we're special and we should be able to make all these rules, but I'm just giving you the tools to the trade. If you want to get an autograph or say hi to somebody,

like this is how, don't do this. Definitely don't do that. Second part to the question, would you prefer to sign an autograph or take a picture? Am I high? Sure. Do they have a pen? I'd rather do an autograph if I'm stoned.

I'd hope if they asked for an autograph, they had a pen, you know? But I guess that's not always... Yeah, that when they ask for an autograph, and like do you have a marker yeah I'm at the arcade like with my kids I don't have a sharpie right now you know what I'm saying speaking of you see the video of KD and he was at like the fanatics fest and it's like one guy like when he sat down one guy like had made the motion like I have this jersey can I throw it to you and Katie was like he was like he was like yeah so a guy throws a jersey and then throws a pin and then while the pen is coming to him like seven other people

throw shit. Yeah, dude. And KD, like, he literally lets everything drop and he's just like, like, yo. A lot of times the first person, did you see the person on the plane that was talking to Jamar Chase?

Did you see this? So I guess he asked Jamar Chase for an autograph, like, on the plane. And Jamar was like, no, I don't, I can't sign right now. Like, they were taking off or something. And when the plane landed, the guy stood up and was like, this is Jamar Chase.

He don't sign autographs. Like a total asshole. don't do that come on man so i mean there's just fans can act out of hand sometimes but we are very appreciative of having fans at all oh speaking of this kind of on topic this kind of could be a mailbag do you feel like kelsey plum was in the wrong we talked about this the oh you did you did already yeah Kelsey plum was talking about the people outside of hotels that that that are obviously selling autographs so oh i thought you were going somewhere else with people outside of hotels that are selling and I was like no no no just autographs you know why are you assuming that they're selling

autographs they're well because they are some guys are a lot of them are though a lot of people collect and you ask you sell cards too to keep the hobby going you're a card guy so you're gonna have a different opinion than us on this thing but like when a guy sends his son up to to sign with a special blue pen and he's like can you hit these and can you put them in the right place and can you write bro i still get cards in the mail to my personal address with people that send a card with a marker and a note being like in a returning I don't send that back no me either but I it's my personal address I can't reinforce that no exactly I understand that it can get crazy but standing outside the team hotel that's so I signed for him I

signed for him I signed for him but I know what they're doing bro I know what they're doing and if somebody was like you're about to make $200 on this autograph like it's not my job to pay your bills like you know I mean. Yeah, but my whole, I thought you're supposed to be paying my bills. Isn't that what fans say? We pay your bills. We were paying the tab for you buying tickets. Like it's not supposed to go the other way, right? I guess my whole thing with the, with the whole situation that made me upset was the simple line that she says, I'm kind of, the simple line that she says, I'm kind of turned off right now. And it's just like, well, the way she said it was weird. That's what I'm saying. Like, why did you say that? Like, because I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

the WMBA Kelsey Plum is a great she's a great player and you have to expect this like yo you have a max contract so at the end of the day you're going to be one of the top people that people want autographs from and it's just like Nate we know you're a collector we know you're a collector bro but still bro but still that poor guy that's messed up for him poor guy yeah come on I don't feel bad for either of them no but I don't feel bad for us the athletes and I don't feel bad for a collector that's gonna sell my shit on eBay who's camped outside the hotel. Dan, you're just like the people in the comments.

It's like, damn if you do, damn if you do. I don't feel bad for anybody. It's free will, man. You can say no to an autograph if somebody's selling it. You can say no to an autograph, somebody's not. But I don't say no to autographs because I'm washed and I'm appreciating. Are you allowed to say, hey, I'm a little turned on right now?

Exactly. I actually have a fetish for guys for guys with gym bags full of footballs outside the... Show me your fucking cards. Show me my rookie card. Oh, it's Chrome. Oh, my God. Oh, Bobblehead.

Oh, Bobbleheads are cool. Foil. All right. I got one more. Well, go ahead. What is it? I was going to say, should you feel bad, if you get to a restaurant.

It's totally unrelated. Before closing, if when you walk in, you see the staff visibly upset that they're getting another customer before. No, I try to be very nice when I walk in at the end of their shift. I try to be very polite and be expeditious. Is that the word? How close is it to closing, though? The door's open. It shouldn't matter, right?

Like, it shouldn't matter. I'm not going to come in and put an order in. I walked in a spot at 858, down at the beach. beach when everything's closing at nine and the door was still open we had just got in 58 the baby's crying bro three hour drive down to virginia beat oh three hour drive down to virginia beach the baby's crying shut that baby up right yo bro we get to the hotel and obviously you know they try to put us on the ground floor on the beach hotel where people could just walk up to the door so we had god damn it i'm a podcaster we had a whole thing with that so getting the room changed and

and get upstairs, and we get outside, and we find out everything's about the close at 9. So the first available restaurant closest to our hotel. I'm sure the guy at Red Robin who's been working 12 hours is really feel sorry for you. They put you on the ground floor, and you had a problem with your room. Like, it's too late.

8.58's too late. Bro, the door's still open. It's unlocked. If it's too late, lock the door. Like, yo. That's poor planning on your part, getting to the hotel with a... So you've asked two questions,

and you don't like the fucking answer. I don't. He wants to blame Red Robert. I didn't go to Red Robert. Sure you didn't. It was a different restaurant. And after it all, we weren't even the last family to leave. There was still a family there, still cracking crab legs and carrying on.

Yeah, but they've already ordered. They've already ordered. That's the inventory that's in the door, out the door. Next question. All right. Kyle proposed this one pre-show. are we in the best quarterback era in the history of the NFL? It's hard to argue with the production,

but the production is tainted by a proclivity to throw the piss out of the pigskin. Does that make sense? Nope. Everybody just wants to throw the football nowadays. There's just a ton of passing. It's like it's just a passing league now and numbers are going to be inflated,

completion percentage is going to be inflated. Receivers are unimpeded. There's the quarterback protection. So, like, while I would say, hey, yeah, like, you could probably back it up with numbers. And the top five right now, okay, I don't want to do the top five right now. In no order. Josh Lamar, Patrick, Joe. Not doing the top five right now.

Jaden? I think Jaden's going to be there. But the whole and you know you got your Jalen Hertzes who have been winners and like you know, but the whole point is I think if you stack up the elite quarterbacks in this in this era against the elite quarterbacks like 20 years ago, there's probably more depth. Right. Like you had the era of Brady and Manning and that sort of thing. You had you had Joe Montana and some others. You had L.A.

But like we got five of those kind of guys. It seems like at any given point now do they have the longevity to turn their careers into? Elway or Montana or, you know, Brady or, but in any given year, it looks like if you just looked it in a vacuum, we're living in the best time for QB play. And also, too, I think we have like a really, really high ceiling on some of the younger guys, just even whether it's rookies or second year and maybe some guys were not even thinking about that might be going into the third year because the kid from what the Vikings hasn't even played yet. McCarthy. McCarthy. Drake May, like, he's shown that, like, he can ball and he kind of has a better cast around him, maybe a better cast around him now, that we can kind of see that more.

And guys, like, I'm excited to see, like, if Shador gets a chance to play in the NFL, like, system, Cam Ward, like, some of these guys, like, they can probably, like, really change. Dylan Gabriel. And, and do their thing. So it's going to be exciting to see. No, it is. It is going to be exciting. Rock Osweiler. So I don't know, Kyle. There's also the like, do quarterbacks, do some quarterbacks do less now? You know, are they responsible for less?

They're things more friendly for quarterbacks than ever, right? Besides all the things I just listed. Like the college games change. So sometimes the pro games tailored to meet the needs of a quarterback coming out of college. You see quarterbacks that only. work half the field that are one or two read guys like so the game has changed and it's more suitable for for this sort

of thing but I don't know it's hard to say I it's hard to say I think the depth is there the cool thing to me about the top five guys that we named and I'll start with the guy who's on the fringe with Jaden Daniels and then it goes you know in no order

Lamar Josh Patrick Joe all those guys are different archetypes and have the ability to do X-Men abilities of different types. And the thing that stands out to me the most is Patrick is the guy that can shape-shift into any of these archetypes. You take something away. He can put it back at you with a different flavor. I'm sorry, he can't shape-shift into Josh Allen.

I'm just telling you, the ability to escape, the ability to run the football. Yeah, no question. I agree with you. And from a schematic standpoint, Andy Reed can change the. way that he's calling the game depending on what they're taking away and his guy can adjust. We are so spoiled with guys like that in the NFL today. And I think that we talked about these five guys. There's 23 other guys that wouldn't trade their, 23 other teams that wouldn't trade their

quarterbacks unless it was for one of those top five guys. Right, right. A lot of teams are pretty happy with their quarterback situation. Because they're also very, it's early in the experiment for a lot of teams right now. you know just in that time but when i say he can't shape shift shift into josh allen i'm not saying he's not better what i'm saying is josh not six six josh and lamar have like very differentiating physical skills like very unique differentiating physical skills where where patrick is kind of like he's an artist you know um and sure he can tuck the ball and run on third and seven and break your back we've seen

it a million times but you think about like going into a game and saying hey i'm going to run the all 15 times with my quarterback and burn the ships. We're going to run option. We're going to run Reed option. We're going to run speed option. He's going to pull it down a quarterback trap. Like that sort of thing. Like that's also a very new thing in the NFL. You could go way back in the day and probably find like

quarterbacks and running offenses in an antiquated form of football. But like now, that's a very differentiating thing. So we got, yeah, all flavors, which is also fun to watch. The 2000s often cited as the Golden Age of quarterbacks features a constellation nice AI

of stars like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Breeze, and Aaron Rogers, who dominated the league and redefined the position with their exceptional talent and sustained success. So that's what you got to really compete against. You know, that four deep of goats, Hall of Famers, and we'll see if

these guys can, and I think the key is going to be, can they all get rings? Right? Because all those guys got rings. And which of the second tier guys is going to take one of those, you know what I mean? like yeah well that's which are the guys that we don't deem as elite a lot of people wouldn't have put jay jaylan hurts in the elite category but he has two or one ring and he's got two super bowl appearances and he's beaten mahomes in the super bowl um you know there'd be people as detractors to say well his team was

incredible but you know in the past we've also given quarterbacks a lot of leeway because of rings and so rings matter more of a fun one here worst places times events, what have you, to have to take a dump. So I proposed this one recently. I was at a wedding. Yeah. Recently I was a wedding at a wedding and during cocktail hour, duty called. Pretty adverse circumstances.

I'm wondering if you guys have anything worse than that. Well, similar to your cocktail hour, when you get dressed in the NFL, it takes about 30 minutes to get dressed. Yeah. When you go out to warm up and you and the worst feeling is like, oh my God, I have to take a shit. Yeah. Because first off, you need a hall pass to get out of like drill. Whatever drill. And then you got to go in.

You're the only guy in a locker room. Yeah. Like well lit and it's completely empty and silent. And you've got to speed undress. Poop. You have gloves on tape. You got to take all that stuff off. Nothing worse than having a shit right before an NFL game.

You got to take your gloves off. that's an important thing. I got one. You have to wipe your butt. You have no sense of being in your hands. You can't wipe with it. You could be out there trying to punch a three technique and he's getting ducky on him. Yeah.

How about how about how about in Vegas at a freaking bachelor party at freaking a pool club when you're in a cabana with a baiting suit on? That's not that bad. back in the pool. Bro, you ever, you ever take shrooms and then immediately have to, like, take a shit? Sometimes. Like, from it. And it was one of those. It was one of those.

And I had to go into the bathroom at this, this pool club and, like, just shit my brains. Blow it up. And then there's, like, a line of TikTok gals outside the door waiting to come in. And then come out, like, everything's cool. And just like you said, like get back in the pool, hang out. And everyone's like, where'd you just go? I'm like, oh, I took a smoke break. Do you know Bo Allen's shit story that he is unwilling to tell on this podcast?

Have you heard this one? Nope. It involves blowing up a celebrity's private nightclub bathroom and clogging the toilet. Oh, man. That's hilarious. Yeah. And then the guy banging on the door and being upset with him. It's a very famous celebrity.

That's so good. But he's afraid to say it. He's afraid to say it. Don't say it. I can't wait to find out of this is, though. Yeah, I can't tell you right now. It's not my thing to tell. It's not my tail to tell.

I think an airplane's pretty bad. I think an airplane's pretty bad because of the, you're the biggest guy in the plane. And when you get up, you got to, like, kind of waddle down the little hallway there and try not to bump into people. And they're all looking at you. And they know, like, when you go in the bathroom on an airplane, everybody's staring at the bathroom. literally there's no other public public place where everybody is fixated on the bathroom sometimes people standing right out the door waiting right so you know exactly what what's going on and then you got to flush that loud ass thing like 10 times to make sure like you know it's all

it's like what's that guy doing in there i wonder you know and then you come out and and if it's bad enough people can catch a whiff in the in the in the in the front of the airplane or the back of the airplane. I anatomically am unable to take a shit on an airplane. You can't do that. So this has never been a fear of mine

because my body just knows. I'm innately like just tight B-hole. I walk into an airport. It's like shh. Yeah. The Hudson News food goes right through you.

That's a courtesy flush situation for sure, right? For sure. Oh, for sure. The worst place. place the worst place yeah i think it might be in there it might be in lambo field no locker room bonaroo way lock in a hot ass porta potty that's not good yeah anyways that was that was a very personal

question nolan uh it's it's a it's a recent topic for me you sick best all right i have a funny it's not really i have a funny story yeah yeah Yeah. So we were just on a flight. Where did me and my girl just go? Vegas. We're on a flight to Vegas, right? Long flight.

I wake up like off of an edible. The secret trip. Like look, off of an edible, right? And bro, I'm in my seat. And while everyone's like, bing, everyone's getting their stuff, I fart in my seat. Silent, no one hears it. I'm like, whatever. Bro, it smells fucking awful, right?

You can smell your own brand. Bro. Are you coming out of Vegas? No, no, this is this is getting. One of those rotten ones. Rotten, bro. So at this time, I'm on the window seat, my girl's in the middle seat, and there's like this Indian fella, like, on

the edge seat of our three, and he stands up at the time, and he does something where he bumps somebody and he says, excuse me. As soon as he says, excuse me, the smell starts traveling to everyone. So everyone thinks it's hit.

Everyone thinks it's him. And bro, what I tell you, bro, someone, someone like two rows back, go, yo, did someone shit? And bro, I remember sitting in my seat laughing so hard and just being like playing along with everyone around, be like, oh, like that smell. Dude, you're a bad guy.

Final mail back here. Which musician or band that's no longer with us would you want to bring back to life? This is a recent tweet from Kyle. I know what Kyle's answer was. You know, it's just had to look up dead musicians. There's so many. Lidwig von Beethoven. No.

No, no, no. The first two off the top of my head are some of my favorite guitarists of all the time. Dwayne Allman and Stevie Ray Vaughn. I think Stevie Ray Vaughan would do some incredible stuff in today's. You agree? Yeah. Stevie Ray. What musician are you bringing back to life?

That was the question. Biggie. Biggie. Because you know, he knows if Diddy was being weird or not. Biggie knows the truth. If anyone knows the truth. Biggie knows the truth Send him straight to court

Right Biggie knows everything But not Are they invincible If you bring them back Are they just gonna die again Because piggy You know what's gonna have to

About saying this Start taking care of himself You know a lot of people Will probably say like Tupac And now all I could think about Is this is like Unrelated But going back to the game

Where Halliburin got hurt Did you see how the team Just huddled around him I guess it was like Somebody had a Tupac Tupac Sweat shirt I was like

Whoever's design designer for this Tupac piece is like Is this not the perfect situation for you Because I was like I couldn't focus on anything else Right

But that big Tupac face Yeah that guy had a good night Why is Tupac in the huddle Or a bad night People were like This is the ugliest fucking sweatshirt I've ever seen But people are talking about it

People are talking about it As we speak And I'm glad you guys I would actually I noticed you guys didn't say Kobe Bryant that was actually the first person I was to say he actually I thought you said I thought it was a music yeah but he had an album he had he trash trash rappers yes you can't speak yes you can he's well I'm telling you said that when I bring him back he's one of the best basketball players of all time and you know why I can say he's trash

because he's not even the best like basketball rapper Shaq has a platinum jack jack jack but is he the best basketball dame i mean pretty good no iman shumpert was pretty good how do just like you said before how do we rank it off of rings how good guys are shack has a platinum like guys don't get there's there's mate there's rapper master p there's big master p was a pretty good basketball player it kind of goes the other way he played like what he played like two games in the NBA i think Cameron was a good basketball player was Dave east was a good basketball player he was two chains was a good basketball player two chains Titty Boy.

Evidently Bow Wow was a really good basketball player. I don't, like, I don't put it past. Okay. Like Mike. You've seen him in Like Mike? No. You've never seen Like Mike? No.

With Sinbad in it? When he puts on the shoes? You never seen Bow Wow? I've never, I've never been sitting there trying to decide what movie I wanted to watch and being like, yeah, I'll watch one with Bow Wow in it. Like Mike. How much time do you have on your hands watching Bow Wow? You would like like Mike.

Okay, I'll check it out. Are you really, you've never seen like Mike? You're full of it. I don't think I've seen like Mike. He's the orphan. He finds the magical converse. No. That plot line sucks.

They're not even converse. They're Nike's. The plot line sucks. So Chris and Nate, you guys have social media. Yeah. You have seen this video before. There is a gentleman. I believe he is singing.

probably Mexican music. He's wearing a cowboy hat, and he gets somebody that comes up and tells him something while he's performing. And apparently the message was that he was going to be killed after his show. Yeah. I'm bringing him back. Or I'm bringing, because I'm assuming he's dead. I haven't seen.

You haven't? The video. Or, did he die? No, no, yeah. It was like his last song. Like, he starts singing, like, kind of like. He wiped his head. Yeah, he starts like sweating and he just gets in,

uh, ba-bah-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-da. Like he sits all the truth. It's like, it's like B'chata music or like something like that, but he ends up dying. So either him or the blue woman from the fifth element who was an opera scene. Did she?

She was a beautiful singer. And she died? Yeah, remember they like, they pulled the stone out of her stomach? That's probably what they did to the guy done in Mexico too. Yeah. Did the guy die? The guy died?

Was it the cartel? Yeah, it was the cartel. Golly. There it is. There it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank God. So I have seen this.

Yeah, they handed him a note and look at him reading it. He's like, the note contained a death threat, warning Sanchez that if you sing, you die. If you keep singing, you die? Yep. He just keeps singing. Chose his fate.

With the love of the game. I don't think it was if you keep singing, you die. I think it was like, you're dead. What if it was like a speed situation? They were like, if you don't stop singing, if you stop singing, you die. If you sing under 90 words per minute, you die. And he's like, that's like, that's going to see. Like I'm going to watch.

And they just continue. Everybody leaves you singing. It's nuts. That's a fucking downer. R-I-P to that guy. Kyle, thanks for joining us on the show. Absolutely.

Thanks for having me. Boys, it's good to see you. Everybody, hear your voices. It's good to see you. And you got a nice tan down there. We'll come see you soon, Kyle.

Yeah, come hollar at me, boys. Peace. Love. We love you. Yes, sir.