Green Light with Chris Long - Kyle Long! Tyreek Hill Traded, Is this Tua’s Year? Best NFL Pass Rush Duos & Mailbag.

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

(2:22) - Hello, Layup Line and Miami Heat Fighting! (11:25) - Tyreek Hill Traded to the Miami Dolphins, Wide Receiver Arms (FOOT) Race, Guaranteed Money in Free Agency Trending Up, Tua’s Prove It Year, Deshaun in Cleveland, Matt Ryan in Indy, Marcus Mariota in Atlanta, NFC South is Wild and Malcolm Butler Back in NE.  (51:37) - Chris and Kyle on Kansas City Chiefs Outlook, Best NFL Pass Rush Duos, Non-Verbal Communication in Football & Kyle Long vs Aaron Donald.  (1:23:16) - 2013 Bears vs Rams Revisited: Chris Pulls Kyle Out of Tussle with William Hayes. (1:34:45) - Mailbag: Football Position Hierarchy, More Appropriate Names for Professional Sports Teams in Specific Cities and More Cows or Lightning in the World. Rams Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rams-talk-radio/id1296532855 Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to talk about Tyreek Hill going to the Dolphins. All the wide receivers that have been traded the past couple weeks and the money they've received. Is this to his prove-it year, Deshaun and Cleveland, Matt Ryan and Indy, Marcus Marriota in Atlanta, and Malcolm Butler back in New England. Chris and Kyle also go in. in depth on O-Line versus D-line, nonverbal communication that's imperative between teammates. And they talk the best pass-rushing duos in the NFL for the 2022 season. And on the end, we've got a mailback. Y'all enjoy it.

If you're going to get beaten the NIT, you do it spectacularly. And I got to say, that was spectacular. Getting Kihei Clark's shot thrown into the fourth row of a dead silent JPJ was, I get an IT basketball right now. I get it. A once raucous JPJ. It was a really neat crowd in large part due to the Bonnies who traveled fans. Boney traveled up.

They stood up the entire game. Where did they come from? It was so impressive up and to the right a little. Yeah. Somewhere. Some of those schools. Right. And St. Bonaventure, I will say, the Bonis are a team befitting the NIT

semis. And I mean that with all due disrespect. Like, that's where they belong. A Virginia. Down year, fine. 21 wins, seven above 500. but we're more of a national title type program. You sound like a who blood, if you will.

You're why people don't like Virginia. And the bonnies are perfect there in the garden. You are absolutely why people don't like the University of Virginia. Get a Xavier in there, some shit. Xavier's pretty good. Yeah, they're also either in the NIT semis or similarly bounce. I don't know. I stopped following it.

The genius of the NIT is like you can always fall back on the fear of a kid's fear of disrespecting the mecca of basketball. Like in the post game, like, how excited are you? You might be at Madison Square Garden soon. Well, I'd rather be there for a concert. But yeah, I mean, like, shit, I'm not going to disrespect this whole exercise. It ends at the mecca.

So it's a perfectly designed deal. It almost looked like St. Bonnies wanted to win the NIT when they went back to the locker rooms. Yeah. Five seniors playing major minutes for the Bonnies. Who am I to say maybe they should have had even better year? Good for you.

In college basketball in 2020, 22, five seniors playing. Oh, yeah. Good for them. Good for you. How'd you like that last shot, though? I told Reid, I go, listen, I couldn't help but laugh. Like, as a Virginia fan, like, I'm already dead.

I told you, I have fan X. It's like a Xanax, but for fans. Oh, Benzos. I have a Benzo. I have fan X and it's lasted me since 2019. So nothing we do could possibly hurt my feelings. And it will last another lifetime. Lifetime.

You might have seen it. I tweeted that credit, where credits do, I grew up a lot tonight. And that was in reference to bouncing back from the St. Bonnie's loss within like 30 minutes. Good for you. Yeah. Usually, you know, it'd be like a fault for a few days. Because, you know, I'm super fan 99. You are.

And to tie a bow on it, while we do have the best coach in the country, maybe the 5-7 guy to the hoop at late shot clock into game moments isn't the way to go. That was my favorite part of the deal. Like Kihei Clark, who's had a great career at UVA. National champ. He's been polarizing for some people. Like, you know, streaky and all that. And me and Cowboy were talking about that.

But like, I was like, here it comes his last shot, maybe. Who can know for certain? And some of you motherfuckers are judging us for being in the NIT. Like, where's your national championship? Yeah. One thing, later in the pod, we're going to have Kyle Long and Kyle Long, my brother. Three-time pro-bowler. Yeah, three-time pro-bowler.

They got a racer. Very talented. Oh, he's very talented. Modesto, California. Hello! Why? Why not? Why?

I didn't realize I was always going to get a why. There's often no rhyme to the reason with the hello. Okay. Layup line today. I'm going beat it. Michael Jackson. For two reasons. Number one, I turned it on earlier.

And like, you cannot not move when beat it comes on. I was at a restaurant the other night. It's in that elite class of songs that, like, white people, they start twitching when the song comes on. And the other night I was at a great restaurant here locally called Mary Gold. Shoutout. You didn't put a song, did you? Yeah, Marigold. Okay.

They started, Bill Withers came on the shuffle. use me. Everybody was jerking their neck and that motherfucker and it's the same thing with beat it. So that's reason number one. Reason number two is, guys, let's just get along here. A big NBA fan here. Big NBA watcher last night, I was terrified to see Jimmy Butler and Eudonis Haslam going at it. And Eric Spolstra in the middle of it. And I was going to ask Matt to translate what the fuck happened last night. In the NFL, we don't have stuff like that. It's quick and it's over. It's Jonathan Allen punching Duran pain in the face, and that's over. The timeout, like, they couldn't go back on the court.

These guys were arguing so long. Yeah, the funny thing about it is they're in first place, too. Like, one of the best teams in the league, but it seems to me like people are kind of sick at Jimmy Butler. He has the reputation of being a little bit difficult. Like, Eric Spolstra is notoriously emotionless. Like, when Ray Allen hit that huge shot, he had no reaction. So to have him marching up and down the court

saying like what are you trying to do trying to fucking fight me? He seemed pretty pissed off. Lip readers, thank God for lip readers because I really struggle to read lips. I really do. It's one of my strengths. Okay, good.

My favorite part of the video. What am I saying right now? Nice. Well, one of my friends growing up was hearing him pair and he would teach me how to read lips. Oh, hard right turn. No, no, what?

There's nothing, nah. No, no, yeah, that's good. It was a good skill. Yeah. Forging the fire there. You had no choice. No, it's a very cool school. It's a great skill.

I wish I had it, but like I'm watching last night trying to get to the bottom. What happened? I think I took away a couple things, not knowing Dick about the NBA. I know NBA fans are the most judgmental fans in all of America. Eric Spolstra has come a long way. Eric Spolstra, I remember when he started coaching, was the video guy. He was like Pat Riley's plant that everybody was like, really? And had no, like, clout.

seem like having one of the biggest OGs in the NBA, like on your side on the bench is kind of a good sign. And then also just a cool customer. I feel like if you're an NBA coach and you didn't play in the NBA, you have to be a really cool customer. You know, because people are going to give it to you

and people are going to tell you what to do. And it's less of like a football coach job where, you know, you set the tempo and the tone of what's going to happen in the building and you're making decisions. So I feel like he came away from this looking pretty good. and Jimmy Butler, who I really like, he's friends with JJ Reddick,

I want to like Jimmy Butler, but my first memory of making any judgment on Jimmy Butler was hearing him throw his Timberwolves teammates under the bus like years ago. Yeah, no, that's right. And Eric Spolster is one of the most respected coaches in the game today. My favorite part of the video was when he realized

he wanted to throw something, but he didn't have anything in his hands, so he goes and finds a clipboard and then throws it on the floor. And when you throw a clipboard in basketball, it's like throwing first base as an umpire. Yeah, it's like, as a manager rather.

It's like the OC throwing the headset on the field, basically. You used to be able to take your suit jacket off and toss it behind the bench, but no longer because we're on to the quarters of-up. Polos and shit. I don't like that. But Eudanus has them. Long-ass finger, huh? Yeah.

I mean, like, when you, people don't like a finger in their face and UD's fingers about 14 inches long. I mean, he just had that thing right in Jimmy Butler's face. And the thing about Eudonis has him is I know him to be a badass. Like, you don't have to play in the NBA to know. he's a badass and and when you read the body language of people on the bench it's always very telling like where they land on whatever's currently going on and generally nobody was having jimmy putler's side that's not to say they're not going to get over it because i know like interpersonally teams are

really resilient but i mean didn't look great no Kyle lowry just kind of walking away said it all now what was some of the other lip reading that i missed you said that that or maybe it wasn't lip reading this is just the NBA rumor mill because I know you have access to that yeah it's alleged that jimmy butler called eudonis haslam a fucking cheerleader and it's alleged that eudanus haslam mouth to jimmy butler that rachel nichols saved his career spicy maximum this league hey uh really spicy that's a hot tamale that's a hot tamale that's a hot tamale right there um that's a hot tamale that's what that is I love the NBA.

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He died at 63 on March the 25th. And on March the 25th. Keep rolling through him until I've heard of somebody. In 2005, American actress Jennifer Aniston filed for divorce from actor and film producer Brad Pitt. How did I miss that? Due to irreconcilable differences. Dating a different celebrity every six months. Of marriage. All right. Thank you for those death days. This is really becoming a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

slowly but surely. Yeah. On to football, huh? Yeah, there's a there's a receiver arms race, more like a hands race. Am I right? That's good. You were saving the same. that one. I had written it down a bit earlier. I didn't know that was in your joke tree. What is you? I missed that. He called the foot race and he jumped in on the Tyreek stuff, the stuff we're holding for. Kyle's trying to quietly sit in the studio and wait for his turn to come in in the B block. I told him if there's anything really good that you want to hop in on, go ahead.

But the Tyreek thing, I want to save a little bit on the bone for you in the B block. I mean, to his credit, yeah, foot race. That's that's probably the funnier joke. That's a great joke. That's a, that was a better joke. No, no, it was. All right. So what's interesting about the Tyree Kill thing is all this free agency stuff kind of reminds of it's the cell phone thing.

It's like, hey, you know, my kid's going to ask for a cell phone. I'm going to say, no, you can't have a cell phone. And then he's going to go to school and see that the other kids have cell phones. And then the kid has leverage. By the way, I heard of a really good, I heard of a really good tactic. If you bribe your kid, like you can put your kid on salary. And the deal is, of course, that they don't get on some. social media they don't have a cell phone like you you pay them four figures a year and and the the only

stipulation is that they don't they don't access tech like a cell phone or social media that's good i saw a good tactic not long ago kids start screaming you say stop screaming or i'm going to call the cops that was good my friend did that yes yeah you threatened call the cops absolutely worked yeah so it stopped screaming so i'm saying all this to say that's what free agency has become like Andy Reid didn't want to give Tyree kill a cell phone, but then he found out that one of the kids of school has a better deal. You know, well, he gets, he gets X. He's, you know, Christian Kirk's getting $20 million a year. It sucks to be like a GM right now. It sucks to be like a head coach right now trying to like manage your payroll because as we know every year in free agency, somebody, you know, sets the market for that year or somebody benefits everybody else who's waiting in a line to get that payday. But the paydays have just become so astronomical. They've outpaced like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, you know,

like they've outpaced the cap. And so when Christian Kirk goes down to Jacksonville and gets like 20 mil a year, then the trickle-down effect is you've got an angry Devante Adams, who the Packers never read up anyways early like they've done with Bakhtiari and other players. So he probably has a chip on his shoulder. And then he sees that money. He's like, let me get some of that money. And then Tyree Kills like, fuck this shit.

Because I feel like I took a haircut on my last deal over something that I'm alleging didn't happen. So, like, I think it's the perfect storm for the chiefs and Tyree Kill, but it's also something that we're going to see more of is like, well, one of my classmates has a cell phone coach, you know, like, and then you got a cave and give him his cell phone. And as for the trade, I worry about what what Kansas City's offense looks like without Tyree Kill. Like that play he made in the Buffalo game, you know,

all the long explosive, you know, plays he's had as a chief the first five, six years of his career. that's such a luxury like only one team in the NFL has that it's not only having the burner that can go get it but the perfect guy to get him the ball and that's my biggest worry as far as like the dolphins cashing in on this trade

is they normally had to give up a ton of draft picks two years after Stephen Ross is like hey we're not building through free agency anymore we're not paying guys like endomic and sue to save our team we're going to build through the draft and then you ship fucking seven picks to Kansas City and who's the quarterback that's going to make the most of Tyree Kill?

Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah, well, Teddy Bridgewater might be your best bet. I feel like they're giving to everything he needs to sink or swim. I think Tua deserves a fair shake. Dolphin pun. He hasn't had a fair, yeah, dolphin pun. Only this dolphin probably sinks. He's never had a fair shake.

You know, he's been trotted out there with coordinators that weren't brought there for him. They were brought there for, you know, plate callers there for Ryan Fitzpatrick. He had to share the, you know, he had to go back and forth clipboard duty. They said out loud they didn't want him. Okay, this is Tua's year. And he's got Gaseki, he's got Jalen Waddle, he's got, he's got Tyreek Hill now. Like that's a nightmare for teams figuring out how they're going to cover those two guys. Like put them in a bunch.

Chase Edmonds, Rheem Moster. Exactly. Cool throne. Miles Gaskin. Miles Gaskin. So, sorry, cease and desist there. but I just look at that team. They're so fast.

Even Tehran Armstead is fast. I mean, like, I was on Michael Irvin's podcast yesterday, and he made a great point. He's like even Tehran Armstead runs like a sub 540. They are a fast football team, which is interesting to me because I don't think of the Niners in that tree that McDaniel came from as being a fast football team. The Niners are a physical football team,

but they're trying to win with speed there, and I think the rest of the division has to take notice. The one thing the 49ers did have the last four years, they led the NFL and yak yards by reception. Yep, yep. And they've got some guys that can get them yak. Tyreek obviously catching a ball on the seam. It can turn into a 60-yard play any time.

I think the most interesting thing about these trades is you look back. I don't think there's a great precedent for trading for a dynamic receiver if you don't have a number one, like a dynamic quarterback, like an elite quarterback, which I would say fairly doesn't exist down there in Miami. Derek Carr and North. Yeah, it's got to be Derek Carr and North. And like, you know, look back the past few, the past few big blockbuster wide receiver trades,

not a lot work out. And like what is working out for the Dolphins? I think we always do this thing with trades. Immediately we want to crown somebody, but like what does winning this trade look like for the Dolphins? I'm not sure. I know the Chiefs can win this trade. They're going to have so many draft picks this year.

it's a deep wide receiver class there's no like hey unquestionably generational talent that's in top five that you gotta go get but it is a deep class and I think the biggest wild card in this whole thing is Brett Veach

who's made great signings who's made some solid draft picks but some not so great he's done things like bring Kyle Long in which is you know like I put that in the good column but he's also had some misses I just look at This is like the spotlights on Brett Veach.

If he can parlay these picks into something great, they'll win because they don't have to pay Tyreek Hill and they still have the best, maybe one of the best quarterback in the game, depending on how you look at it over the last four or five years. And you've still got Travis Kelsey and all this stuff. They started to figure out how to play the game more methodical late in the season last year.

They still need those big plays, though. They needed them to beat Buffalo. You're going to need them in the AFC to keep pace with a lot of these teams, which is why it's a little curious but I totally get it and on the other side I think Miami's got a big risk coming their way

because history tells me that this will not work out let me ask you a question Tyreek Hill Jalen Wattle Mike Gasekidmns and Raheem Mostert who runs the slowest 40

it's one of the running backs it's either Gaseki or Edmonds Our answer is Edmonds Chase Edmonds Very well done Chase Edmonds 455 Mike Gosec can run 454

Yeah Moster can run. Not like either of those guys are slow. I mean, this is a very fast team. So look at these trades in recent history. Like, O'Dell Beckham Jr. to the Browns. Did not work. Didn't work out.

Odell Beckham Jr. to the Rams. Worked out. What's the difference there? Quarterback. Quarterback. And you look at like Randy Moss traded to the Raiders. Did that work out? Did not.

Randy Moss traded to the Patriots. That worked out. Pretty much. So it's just all about. the quarterback. Stefan Diggs would be another example. Stefan Diggs seems to be working out, but again, you got Josh Allen. You know, Hopkins is the one that right now we're weighing out.

And Hopkins, ironically, is probably the, one of the biggest domino effect players that led to the thing we're going to talk about next, which is guaranteed contracts and Deshawn Watson. But I just think it's really interesting, Julio Jones, worth it or not? Nah. They didn't give up much, but probably not. No. Didn't help.

Uh-uh. So I think, you know, Tyree Kill is a different player in a lot. a lot of guys I just described. I get why you make the move. And also a tough division to kind of seemingly go all in on or conference. You're in the AFC. What do you think it's going to take to get into playoffs in the AFC? Like a wild car birth.

It's going to take about seven years. Well, or it's going to take like 11 wins, dude. What do you think the magic number is to get into the wildcard in the AFC this year? Look at that fucking conference, dude. Yeah. So if you're the dolphins and you're looking from the outside in, maybe this move is more

with a different quarterback in mind in a year because you'll have Tyreek Hill under contract then you'll have Armstead under contract there then they might know what they're going to do a year out. It's flashy but the biggest acquisitions probably the three O'Lyman that Sincerey added to shore that bad boy up

headlined by Lail Collins. Yeah no question I mean like Tyreeks's going to make a lot of the news but again what does a win look like for Miami? I don't know that this puts them where they need to be and it might not be worth it. Chiefs right now in addition to Kelsey, Juju, McCull Hardman, Josh Gorda, Don, Black SS with the Navigation. Is that what it is? Black SS? That's a car? Chevy. Okay. Justin Watson, Cornell Powell, Dieter Garrig, Corey Coleman, those are all receivers.

One little interesting detail about Tyree Kill. I don't know what it means and you know, maybe we could ask somebody who knows, but like yards per catch and yards per attempt, I think for Tyreek are like lows since maybe his rookie year. I think I think the yards per catch went down to like 112 from 147. The attempts are down to like 7.8. You'd have to ask a wide receiver. But I'm just looking at the numbers here being an analytics guy. You've got to figure the chiefs have a theory.

It's not just that we can't afford him. It's also that maybe we see a decline or a, although he hurts us in the short term, maybe he's not a necessity in a long term. So I just think it's interesting because Juju, the other day we called him a big winner, and I really liked the chiefs for signing him. But of course,

they didn't know they weren't going to get this deal done. He looked like the perfect number two if you had a burner over the top. Now I don't know what the fuck Juju is going to be. NVS. So Cheetah's great player. He's been maybe arguably the most dangerous receiver the last five, six years,

but I don't know that it'll be the same in Miami. But he's back home. You talked about wide receiver contracts, Cooper Cup making 15.75. Stealing. Stealing. The Rams are stealing. But it's interesting because when we talk about this, I brought up DeAndre Hopkins. DeAndre Hopkins and Bill Barnwell said this yesterday.

It was kind of that first domino. Bill O'Brien saying, fuck this shit. And DeAndre Hopkins saying, like, I'm not playing here. kind of becomes the first domino in a long line that leads to Deshawn Watson getting a guaranteed contract from the Browns. And like, listen, I've tried to keep it football with Deshaun Watson, which as I've done this podcast maybe three, four times now since he's signed, it's going to be really hard because we had another case pop up

and another jurisdiction today in Texas. The civil cases are still pending. And this popped into my head the other day, dude. If you're the NFL, they built basically a suspension-proof guarantee into his contract. So if you're a Browns fan, you might not like that. And if you're an NFL fan, you're kind of looking at this thing saying, we've all but said out loud that we're going to spend this guy for about half a season. Isn't that an admission of guilt?

You don't suspend people for no reason. Like, if he didn't do it, let him play. And if you think he did, maybe he should. be playing. And eight game suspension, like, that's pretty bad. So I know that in the court of law, and we've kind of gone down this road with domestic violence before, but like there have been players that have played in the NFL after committing domestic violence. I don't know of a single player that's done what he's alleged to have done that many times who's being acknowledged in some form or fashion as having done something, I suppose, wrong, because he's getting suspended

for eight games. That transgression would not, you wouldn't come back into the NFL. You know what another thing I realized? This is just all about talent. I mean, we know that, right? It's how good are you?

That's how easy it is for you to be resilient and stick in the league or come back when you do something wrong or you're alleged to have done something wrong. A perfect example of how people, and even in the court of public opinion, do this thing, is you have Steelers fans

throwing darts at the Browns right now. like taking a moral high ground when they just just go to the Dave Damashak feed on Twitter Dave Damascish, you're blinded by your big like I'm not saying Big Ben did anything but he was also alleged to have done something terrible so it's so funny that in this division

you now have two people wagging the finger at each other on different sides of a 15 year period over the same shit it's just how good is the player and can the player help my team they're going to be people who boycott the Browns but still love Odell Beckham Jr. And Odell Beckham Jr. is talking about,

I'm going to the Browns to play with Deshawn Watson. It's going to be hard to just talk about Deshawn Watson, the football player. But I just wanted to say that because it doesn't quite sit right with me. And I don't know if it will, like for the entire year. That's not to say I know he did something terrible, but it just seems like there's enough smoke.

And if he's suspended, it feels like an admission of some level of guilt. Plex got two years for shooting himself. Incredible. But the guaranteed money thing is interesting, make and I was going to ask you this. Like, I don't know how you imagine guaranteed money would finally be, I don't know, like a thing in the NFL, and now it is. And most interestingly, it's a thing that, like, the first guy who got the biggest

guaranteed contract did it because he did something wrong. Allegedly. Allegedly. Deshawn, five years, $230 million, all guaranteed, the most guaranteed money by $80 million. Incredible. And this might honestly lead to a net positive, as hard as that is to say right now, like if players eventually are paid guarantees in the NFL, we're all going to feel like we won, but what a fucked up origin story.

It's just so interesting to me that I sat back five years ago and wondered if we'd ever get baseball money or guaranteed money, and this is how it came about happening, which makes perfect sense. You let the marketplace sort it out. you know it's not in the CBA that you can't pay somebody guaranteed money there's no rule it's just a cell phone thing well he's getting guaranteed money where's my cell phone dad and and that's going to be the going rate and Matt said something interesting earlier it's like well I think it's only going to be the big money making positions like quarterback and edge rusher and I think in the beginning yes but eventually

enough of this look what he's getting over there like becomes the going rate and it's like the teams are willing to take a risk on talent. Like in the NBA, the Nets will sign Kevin Durant off of an Achilles injury. Like, they don't know if he's going to be healthy or not. They'll still pay him that guaranteed max contract. And I think like elite level talent in the NFL is the same way. Same thing. It's all, you know, how good are you?

Like, as long as we know that in the NFL, like, it's totally how good are you, dude. That's like, that's all we care about as fans and as the NFL. And even as media members, because there's going to be a lot of people who are going to get all high and mighty and act like they want to boycott. the NFL but they're collecting checks from the NFL but there's also some fan bases that are inherently more desperate you know see Cleveland yeah I mean fuck they've had to run a quarterbacks longer than you donis has him's finger you know like of the brandon wiedons of the world now you've got this all world guy that all he does is erase the deficiencies of the people

around you and you don't have a lot of deficiencies of the football team how good is this team going to be down the stretch if he gets suspended eight games how awkward is his his reentry in the league going to be and how great are the Browns going to be and how fucking awkward is that going to be. I think the perfect storm for the NFL from a public image standpoint, if they go eight and nine and this thing blows over for a year, because we know people forget. People forget. The minute he goes out there and makes some plays, people are going to forget. Sort of. You just brought up Big Ben. Yeah, people forget. And then they remember.

Okay. All right. When the next thing comes up. When you stop being so pliant in the pocket, people remember again. Exactly. Well, or, you know, Pittsburgh fans, they have, they got the Men in Black flash thing. Right. It didn't happen. Big Ben wins. And then the next thing you know, he's getting the shit kicked out of him in the, in the AFC divisional round. And they're giving him, you know, one of those float parades and, like, the whole deal. People forget at the end of the day.

Yeah, they do. And it's all about, it's all about. The only time they remember is when a new version of it comes up and they can compare it to it. Yeah. And then you go back. And that's why somebody like, people catch strays. you know but in this situation it's a good way to put it yeah you're just sitting around you're just sitting around like worst all time stray uh we always bring it up on this show is when devante adams's in news right now was uh he made some some allusion to the fact that we didn't have some uh who was that guy who threw five picks for the peterman nathan peterman nathan peterman was just sitting at home

mining his fucking business one day and on sports center devante adams just he he caught astray from the best receiver in football like Nathan Peterman was minding his business. What's that reference? Hey Peter man you got a cowboy. Sports movie? You got it. Office space. Office space. Office space. The Diedrich Bader

or whatever's name is knocks on the knocks on the they got adjoining apartments. Hey Peter Man. Is that the guy with the handle bar mustache? What would you do if you had a million bucks? Two chicks at the same time. That's exactly right. And then gives them some advice for jail. If you had 500 bucks you could do in some places two chicks same time two chicks same time nothing on his wall just the couch

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Here's another one about the Deshawn thing that's interesting. Had you thought about this? Carolina was in pursuit of this cap, even though they're going to draft Kenny Pickett. We know that. Carolina was in hot pursuit of that. Didn't they take the Jerry Richardson statue down because he groped somebody?

Yeah, Jeans Friday. And I'm all for that, but aren't we pursuing a guy with 22 civil cases out? that is America guys that is America does that signing bonus that hit the direct deposit like right away I think so 44 million dollars 965 thousand signing bonus I mean I hope one day we're like

fuck dude I've been joking about this Kyle I'm like you might want to think about it dude coming back because these prove it deals these prove it deals are out of control yeah I know I know you're not but this is a bit here Are we going to bring Kyle, are we recruiting Kyle Long on to, we'll give you a proof deal here. I want Elon Musk to give me the neural link. What's that? The chip in your head?

I feel like it could. Isn't that what all the Elon Musk bros hate about the vaccine? They don't want to Bill Gates chip, but they want to, they want to. I don't follow the, I don't frequent those chat rooms. I don't think. Yeah. Last I heard Kyle was like 323 ripped. Yeah.

Yeah. Shredded nasty. Jackdust. Yeah, very happy. Oh, yesterday. You know what Kyle did? What? There was this.

there was a guy that was about to get a fire. You know what he did? He kicked him in the penis. He kicked him in the penis. And it heard it. And you know what he did? You know what Kyle did yesterday? He was picking up trash for a homeless guy. Wow. Good for you. This is good for you. He was there. Cap. No, there's no cap. Good for you. Good for you, Kyle. Roeback active wear. Best way to describe Roeback is best fit, best feel. When it comes to quality, rowback just blows it out of the park every time. First, Roeback's new performance studies are a total game changer. Maybe the softest, stretchiest hoodies in the game. From college

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Dietz on that deal as if I haven't had three days to read the fine print. Pre flights for the ice cubes on a private jet. I saw that. They call the kids the ice cubes. That's pretty awesome. Oh, he calls his kids the ice cubes. Well, at least, oh, Maddie Ice. The ice cubes have now the nomenclature is ice cubes. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, jerseys made for him and everything. It was cool. Did you see the boys of five of Coach Reich? It's like, hey, son, meet Coach Reich. It went and bang the guys. They dapped him up hard. Ballers.

I mean, listen, Frank Reich. Little kid. Frank Wright's in a big prove-it year, man. Just because we said this before, like, Carson's my guy, I promise you, he's going to be cool. Like, you know, when you invite somebody a party, and everybody's like, don't invite that guy. Or it's like a fourth couple on a Mexico trip. It's like, they're not crazy. I just feel like everybody was like, you sure, coach?

And he was like, I'm positive. And then they bring in Carson, and they basically copy and copy and people. pasted the anonymous sourcing from Philly to write another article at the end of the year. So like obviously I don't know what's going on with Carson, but like moving on from that Frank Reich was supposed to have known

what was going on with Carson which means either he changed a bit since we played in Philly or Frank was just wrong and thought he could tame the beast. He couldn't and now he's got to prove to his team that he can kind of like clean up that boo-boo because Chris Ballard's the guy that like

Chris Ballard is a GM. He's just the wolf of uh he's the wolf from pulp fiction he like buzz spaghetti all over the walls i got it give me five minutes a little windex i'll clean it up like listen they got matt ryan for like a third right they they Washington got carson wents for two thirds so all these messes that keep getting created in uh in in indy like chris ballard's cleaned up after him so i think matt ryan's a great pickup for them. I think his arm strength isn't what it once was, but like the last two years, they haven't exactly had anybody throwing piss missiles. I mean, Carson's arm doesn't look like incredibly live to me. Philip Rivers' arm, you know, it was like year 17, Philip Rivers. Matt Ryan is an

upgrade over year 17, Philip Rivers respectfully. Matt can still scoot and get you seven yards on third down. He's not that athletic. He's very old, but he can throw those intermediate balls. And they kind of live off that stuff. He can still go play action. And I think the smartest thing they did making was you seize the day with a great running back who's on a rookie deal. You don't wait a year to go get somebody because, as you know, Jonathan Taylor in three years might not be the same commodity. You got to take advantage. And I think Matt Ryan's the right guy for the job there. And speaking of guaranteed, his two years and 53.9 million remaining on his at least, land a deal are now fully guaranteed by the Colts.

I mean, good things happen to good people. I'll put it that way. Sometimes. I mean, like, I know we haven't, that hadn't been the theme of the show. But like every once in a while, the blind squirrel that is the NFL finds the nut. And the nut here is Matt Ryan getting paid and getting an opportunity to win one more time, dude. I just want to see him win one more time because I was on the other sideline of that Super Bowl.

and I felt for Matt Ryan. I felt for Matt Ryan. I came in a league with him. I think he's a great person and he's a great player and a great leader. And I think they'll find that out in Indy and I hope that he gets his due

because he, like here's the difference between going to the Hall of Fame or not. Did you win a Super Bowl? Like Matt Ryan's numbers are on pace with some Hall of Famers, even in this era of like inflated passing numbers. I think we'd look at him way differently if his defense didn't shit down their leg

in the second half of that Super Bowl or if Devante Freeman doesn't miss that block or you know there's a whole offer yeah I mean like all the little things that happened in the second half none of them had to do with Matt Ryan so I love Matt I'm rooting for him it'll be interesting to see

how they build that offense around him can I add one thing on the Colts yeah quick so Eric Fisher came over from the Chiefs he came over fresh off on Achilles yeah still on crutches when he signed his deal with the Colts he ended up playing a large you can check the number here but I think it was

at least two-thirds of the season he started out playing. Playing next to Quentin Nelson, obviously that defensive front, Darius Leonard on the,

in the middle ground there, that's a scary team. That's a team that going into last year when I signed with the chiefs, I said, that's going to be the

team that we're going to have to beat. And lo and behold, Jonathan Taylor becomes Jonathan Taylor. He's a nuclear weapon. And with a healthy

line, which they didn't have, they have Jonathan Taylor who doesn't happen yet. It doesn't happen yet. Moab, which is mother of all backs. That's Jonathan Taylor. He hits you like a fuck. It's got the smiley face panting on the front of it. Watch out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So my thing is, you're talking about play

action. Matt Ryan, not the strongest arm at this point. They're going to be able to run the shit out of the ball and a guy who has a real understanding of sending the front side of a play action protection is Eric Fisher. He did it in Kansas City really well. I've seen it on film time and time again. I think he's going to be protecting on the left side. Jonathan Taylor's going to be able to run the ball and block backside D-Ns. They're going to have a great deal going. And you said it. They're going to start the year healthy.

You know, because Fisher was coming off the Achilles. The whole line at the end. Quinn Nelson had an ankle, I think, at the beginning of last year, like right before the opener. They're going to be healthy. This is their window. Their clock has started and they're on their six quarterback in six years. But indeed, Davis Mills. But Davis Mills, our guy down his youth.

Thick neck. His neck is so thick, bro. Did you see his neck? It's a cartoon. It's like Johnny Bravo-ish. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Ryan Tannahill.

Merger's Row. It lays prone. His neck is 33% wider. And the Jaguars are going to be more effective because they're going to know who players like Aaron Donald are this year. Yep, that'll help. They're going to be a lot better. So that division might be tougher than you think.

That's good. That division might be. Who are you forgetting? Yeah. I mean, you've got the Texans, you got the Titans. You have the Colts and the Jags. The Jags. So yeah, we hit them all.

I mean, that's a good division to be in if you're in the AFC. The road's going to be tough. But they also added a piece on defense that we're going to talk about a little bit in Unique or Yonik and Gokwe. Unique. And him rushing next to Buckner

is going to be a lot of fun. Good player. So we'll talk about that a little bit more in a bit. NFC South shit show. Marcus Mario. I'll give a shout out to, I'll give a shout out to Cornelius Lucas, who is the tackle for the Washington commanders,

who was a scout team player for the Bears that our coach used to just like, you know a guy that gets picked by the coach and that's the guy that they're going to just wear out every day? Cornelius was that guy. And by the way, Cornelius was like 6, 9, 3.30. Chillest guy, never talked back, nothing. Went to the commanders, balled out for a few years,

got $9 million, I think, today or yesterday. Well, that's, I mean, he's got to protect Carson Wentz. So shout out to him. Shout out to Cornelius. Yeah. Yeah, one more thing is Marcus Mario. going to the Falcons, which is one of the most untalented teams in the NFL,

respectfully, and he's making about 6-5 to do it. That's akin to being a hedge fund guy and being like, I think I'll go be a crab fisherman for a year. Like, you're an NFL quarterback, dude. Are you sadistic? This team is, the cupboard is bare, dude. He hasn't seen the light of day in a few years.

He's been living in Vegas, so they have the smoked out windows. You never know if it's day or night. You know, he's from Hawaii. He's used to be in... He's breathing that casino air. He's used to having sand between the toes, betwixt his toes. Will he be tired in that flowery branch air because he's used to that casino air?

I think he will be hopefully the renaissance of Marcus Murriota. It doesn't have to be, you know, like a divisional round or anything like that. I think he has a good year. People take him seriously as a starting quarterback. That's your guy. And he's a great guy. He's a awesome. And I have his back any day.

And I don't have to have his back because he's a good player. Go play for the falcons. He's a good player. You know what? Oh, you love Marcus Marriota? Go play for the Falcons. That'll be fun to watch. Go play for the Falcons if you really love your friend.

Kyle Pitts. Olamadee's Akias. Kyle Pitts, man. What about Olamadee Zakias? Can't even spell it. Don't even want to try. Great player. Hey, I just like, when it comes to Marcus Mariotta, I was thinking,

it just hit me like a ton of bricks. And holy shit, I hadn't seen him in a couple years. Like, I don't think he'd been photographed. And all of a sudden he has gray hair. He's a guy that if you see him in person, he sneaks up on you on how big and muscular he is. Yeah, he's a big cat. He's a big cat.

But like, you know when president's come into office and they take a picture of the first day? Obama picture. Yeah, what does that before and after look like? Marcus Marriota day one, you know, sitting in the Oval Office down there in Flowery Branch. Like, that's going to age you like reverse Benjamin button. I hate to be a buzzkill and hit the re-record button, but I think he prefers Marcus Mariotta. No problem. We're not going to hit re-record.

I just call him Ocho. Yeah. He's a big man. He's like a mansplainer, but with names. But he doesn't manspread while he does it. No, thankfully. The backup's Felipe Franks. I don't know if he could start in the ACC.

No, but I mean, Atlanta might draft a QB. Malik Willis, our guy, all of favor. How about everybody late to the party on Malik Willis? Can you believe that? The door is shut. Guys, we're at capacity. We're at capacity. All you ESPN heads.

Dan Orlovsky all of a sudden loves Malik Willis. Dan, I know how to scout quarterback. I'm a scouting this quarterback for fucking two years now. He's right down the road. We had Todd McShay and Jordan Reed. Nobody called us. They were in Lynchburg the other day. Hour down the road.

The flames. Atlanta has eight overall and four in the top 74 picks. They're going to. They're going to. They called Jerry Falwell. They didn't call you. Jerry Falwell's dead, Kyle. Well, they tried to call him.

It rang a while. Yeah. You know the pool boy story? Oh, yeah. I've heard. I know of the fool boy. Give me the pool boy story. Pool boy is one of the fall well just has a pool boy.

Yeah, Junior does. The pool boy. Junebug. Knows how to get to the bottom of the pool. The drain. Yeah, Jerry can't get there. Jerry Jr. can't get there. The pool boy, he's like that German.

Do you see the German Shepherd speaking of German Shepherds? GSDs. Hey, German Shepherd's stock just went up. Do you see that dog getting thing out of the pool, saving the kid the other day? Absolutely. It's incredible. I don't know if he saved the kid. He helped the kid.

kid. They helped the kid not fall into the pool. There were no parents. You know what, though? Wait around for two months. That kid would have figured out how to get the... If you need a dog to save your kid from drowning in your coy pond, you might want to reevaluate.

Yeah. Like, just be a parent. I'm impressed, though. Your German Shepherd knows how to... I mean... The German Shepherd was wearing a diaper, too. Which is what people are not talking about. Yeah.

So, like, that's the... So the German Shepherd can save people, but it can't shit safely. Well, no, the problem is that the parents are just... releasing that viral video is an admission of guilt as a parent, the head of a household, you've got your dog in a diaper and your kids playing around a well that you're depending on your German Shepherd to save them from falling into. Wow.

I digress. I haven't, even though I love German Shepherds, I haven't been listening for a couple minutes, and I'm just seeing a March 22 mock. Evan Neal's dropping a bit. Love it. Five to the Giants.

Giants, Evan Neal at five, Kvon, Tibado at seven. Love that. You love Kave-V-V-W-W-It. Love it. Love it. Love it. I don't know. Like, seven would be the place where I would take these edge guys. Do we like Charles Cross or Evan Neal? We like Evan Neal. We like Evans-Neal. We like Charles Cross, too. I haven't done a ton of dome study, but I know those are two of the big names, right? And listen to the Jordan Reed podcast. There's Alabama, NC State, and there's... Hickie, yeah, from Mississippi State. That's right. Those are the three tackles.

Yep, correct. Yep. And there's the, you know, obviously the big question now for the Jags is like, any of these DN's game changes enough to take them at one. I personally don't think so. I think they're going to be good. Tell me about Tibito. Tibito? I mean, like... I don't know enough about them.

Oregon, you don't... You're not a big... No. I spent two years of junior college. Very talented, Kyle. Very talented. There you go. Okay.

NFC South, funniest division in football, though. Marcus Mariotas is one quarterback. You've got... James Winston. You've got James Winston, who like... I mean, Think about being Dennis Allen and some real estate question here.

When you sell a house a lot of times is there like, but you have to keep this thing. This comes with the house. Oh, it conveys, yes. Like a big piano that's like. We're not going to the trouble of hauling that out. What's Tayson Hill? Because I feel like, I feel like it's so funny.

It's like, Dennis Allen was like, they were like, you could be the head coach. She's like, great, where do I sign it? They were like, but you got to keep the piano. I would say it's a big, it's a huge ass. safe that you've lost the code to. That's a great way to put it. This will not be useful to you in any way.

It's a Bitcoin computer with no password. Exactly. Dot-eath. Dot-eath. There you go. But yeah, that whole dynamic is going to be funny as hell. And then you've got Carolina and you don't know what you're going to do there. And then you've got Tom Brady.

So it couldn't be any different. Tom Brady has the nicest house in the shittiest neighborhood. Tom Brady has like a 10,000 square foot fucking palace. and it's just poverty everywhere around him. The NFC South is a shit show. All right, so Kyle, so we do have rumors of O'Dell Beckham headed back to the Browns.

We've got Bobby Wagner visiting L.A. in division. If I'm Bobby Wagner, I sign with, like, the worst team possible that you could sign. Like, if you're Pete Carroll and you're hoping he doesn't go in division or something, them not telling him that he was getting released. Like, I know that I'm kind of stuck on this thing.

But I would make their lives hell if I was able. L.A. could be interesting for him. Malcolm Butler going back to the Pats. The Pats got some good. People love to go back. Like, there's no reason they benched you for the Super Bowl. Like, during the national anthem, they were like, nah, you're not playing.

And you still go back. and play for the Patriots. Like the Patriots have something going on there that just keeps, like people, they lead the league in second stops. They cut Kyle Van Nuoy twice in a span of three years. I don't know what Bill's got up there. I mean, I was up there, but it ain't like that.

Weren't you up there? Yeah, I was up there. It ain't like that. You'll be back. Yeah, I might be back. Chris Longside's a prove-it deal to be a fucking scat. You and me.

I was up there for one joint practice and I want to go there. You were up there for one joint practice. That was the practice you fractured my rib. I told that story yesterday. Malcolm Butler got kicked out. Malcolm, got kicked out. He said,

Malcolm, you know the fucking rules. Yes. Malcolm just walked out. No fighting in practice. He's like, that's the worst gangster shit I've ever seen. No fighting in practice.

There was no arguing nothing. I was like, damn, like when people fight in England, they just, yeah. Malcolm, you know the fucking rules. Yeah.

And everybody was like, God damn Bill Bill. That's some G shit. Alshon Jeffrey and Malcolm. and Malcolm were going at it. Yeah. Do you remember how you broke my rib? Yes.

You asshole. Don't run games. No, it wasn't a game. It was a pressure. It was a pressure. Pressure game to us, same. If the D-N is going in the A-gap or the B-gap, that's a game. I got in your A-gap.

Yeah. I got your A-gap. You got my rib gap. I felt that for about six weeks, so thank you very much, Kyle. All right, so we're going to do pass-rush duels today. Great. There's so many in the NFL now. All of a sudden, it's like a Batman and Robin thing everywhere.

And the AFC West is stacked. It's loaded. So really the reason is somebody who played in the AFC West last year might play in it this year. Might also be a podcaster for Jay Cutler, Chris Long. Might be in the NFC North. Might be in the NFC North. Bear down.

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Kyle, you played in the AFC West and we should have done this. I practiced in the AFC West. Yeah. God, that's good. That's good shit right there. Against some of the best. No, no question. I mean, but technically you got hurt.

Anyways, Kyle, the Chiefs. Really good team. Probably sounded like a lot of fun to be a part of that team. Problematic nickname. Okay. But here's the deal, Kyle. Actually, I don't think it is. But continue.

You played locally in that market. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, like Chris Jones. Like a lot of these players, I remember my first time being on a big time team. Like, I'm not saying the Bears weren't big time, but that team has been there and done it. And like, when you walk into a building like that, you're just like, wow. Did you feel that way? Yeah.

And one thing that I did is I showed up phase one right after our wedding. May 1 first was the wedding. Phase 1. I forget when it started, but it was shortly after. So our honeymoon was literally moving into a townhouse in the outskirts of Kansas City. Which is romantic. We didn't have, we had a mattress on the floor, and we got internet, and we had an iPad. That's really all we had.

So we watched the last dance in its entirety in prep. And I've been training so hard to come back for football. And I've been watching this documentary on MJ, which I didn't have the time to watch before. And it became apparent to me the sense of urgency in the moment when you want to be. walk into that locker room of my god all these guys are paid for yeah they're all here yeah they'll be here in the spring they'll be here in training camp every single one of them was there for ota's midi camp every single day training camp all those personalities all those superstars that's one thing that stood out to me so when you asked me what the feeling was when i walked in was they're all here

well and it's also like we we know what we're doing here like there's no like you know a lot of NFL teams you're on, I would imagine, because I was on a few of them in one city, but like you have different expectations for the year. And usually coach will stand up there and be like, hey, we're gonna try to, our goal here is to play in the Super Bowl. And like a lot of times you're like, that sounds good.

You know, I wanna be a professional basketball player too in my spare time, but looking around, I don't think it's like in the cards coach, not in Kansas City. Like Kansas City and a few teams in the NFL, like that goal is very real. realistic every year and with the players that that you all had there. I just, it had to be crazy watching Patrick and Travis work every day and those guys on offense. Absolutely. And the great thing is coach Reed, credit to him, Big Red, and I want to talk about him before I talk about those guys when you said the goal is to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. You'd be amazed. The goal is we're going to dominate the AFC West. Right. That's the goal. So they're just like, and when you get there, they say, shit.

You know what's next. We're going to change that verb this year. You know what's next. It can be hard to dominate the... But you hear what I'm saying? And coach speak. I'm using dominate for lack of a better... You know, they have their sights set on the targeted hand.

And I think it was the Browns, week one. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, you know, we're preparing for those teams that we're getting ready to play. But the thing that separates that team from other teams I've been on is the true star power, the non-foe confidence. like Patrick has to have this is real this is real confidence I mean you see Travis throwing passes in the game right you see Tyreek doing the same thing I mean you see Pat lining up in a number of different spots throwing the ball behind his back that stuff doesn't just happen it's because at

the end of the play when the whistle's blown in practice they're having fun they're throwing the ball behind their back to each other across the field like they're practicing this stuff and the coaches let it happen because they say let your personality show yeah they know to reel it in, E.B. is like, hey, let's fucking go. Like, really? Then keep the footballs off the ground. What do you think about Bianami? Love Bianami. I mean, he was a player. He was a guy who carried the rock in the day and age that our dad played in. And you see clips of him carrying the ball. It looks like a different league. Eric Bionemi is a great guy. He's a short guy. He's built like, I would say, like,

if you took a hay b and, like, cut it in half. Yeah. Yeah. That's about E.B. But he is the greatest guy to go to work with. Despite being short. Oh my goodness. And he loves making fun of short guys like, you know, Clyde Edwards Aller, running back, great guy, funny guy. Is that why you guys drafted Clyde Edwards Halear? I think E.B.'s got a short guy thing. Yeah.

But also another guy who can do a number of things. Yeah. So I go back talking about the Chiefs. They practice hard. Travis practices so hard every day. Pat practices so hard. If there's a scramble in practice, he's putting his head down like he does when, you know, Romo is calling the game. and he sprints to go.

Romo calls all y'all's fucking games, by the way, is what I realized. So let's talk about the AFC. Four AFC title games in Arrowhead. Holy shit. And they're all loud. One ring. One ring. I heard a divisional round game.

I mean, that was incredible. I mean, that was one of the most fun games I've ever seen. Like pro sports, period. I mean, probably the best pro sporting event I've ever been to not played in. It was that Bill's game. Oh. Yeah. Incredible.

Yeah. incredible so the grim reaper yeah i mean holy shit dad and i kept looking each other up in the sweet like just heartbroken as we're like it's over no it's not over no like oh this is the uh when pat starts walking up and down the side the sideline going it's a mindset you're like oh my god it is a mindset it's what it is and then he's like boom boom boom um does Travis Kelsey ever wear normal clothes like casual clothes Travis is the most comfortable human being in his scan that I've ever met. Yeah, that's good.

Which is like the ultimate compliment. I really like somebody. He's like such a great teammate. Him and Jason are both very comfortable in their skin, but very different. Travis is such a good guy. Yeah. It's a classic nature versus nurture conversation with Travis and Jason. They're awesome.

They're awesome. And Jason, he gets on the airplane with a gym bag that's 12 inches wide. And that's got all his stuff for the trip to whoever we're playing. He's wearing a team polo and some khakis. Yep. And some dockers. And your guy is just suited and booted. Travis makes me want to be like better.

Yeah, I mean, you hang out of the guy like that and you're like, God, I'm so middle of the road. Get a haircut every now and again. Like that guy's always got a great haircut. His beard is. Shows every day probably. Shows every day.

Which are you guys? Are you guys Travis Kelsey or Jason Kelsey? I don't know. I don't think there's a real, I think we're just like our own. Just two guys. Yeah, just two guys. I'm the Jason Kelsey. Okay.

AFC West. A lot of good defensive players. Yeah. Holy shit. You've got past rushers galore. You have really a duo everywhere. And I guess we could start there because you, you know, you being an offensive lineman, having played both positions, guard and tackle, you got a little bit of a taste of what it's

like on the edge for a year or two. Like you know what blocking these guys is like. Obviously, you made your bones inside. But like, and I always say this, Kyle, I believe it's better for a rusher if you have a good tackle inside you than if the other end is good. What do you think? So you're saying it's better as a defensive end if you have a good detackle next to you. I'll take a Fletcher Cox next to me.

As opposed to another rush or opposite. And I agree with you because going into a game you can plan and scheme as best you can for one or two guys, be it if they're opposite sides, that makes it a little bit more difficult because you can't slide to one. But if you have two guys next to one another, like I'll tell you guys about playing Chris Long, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox. A lot of guys. That's a lot of guys on one side. and then you throw Michael Bennett in there.

Yeah, we'd get in a 40 alignment, which is basically. That's an issue. Or like when I was a young player playing at Seattle, they used to line up with Michael Bennett and Cliff Averill. The defensive tackle, and I'm putting air quotes up, for those of you who can't see me, would be outside the offensive tackle. Right, that's that 40.

And the defensive end would be three yards removed wider from him. Yeah. And the tackle on the guard, it's such an awkward set. It's such an awkward pass set to do. The angles are, Really fucked up. And usually you zero up. You take the other tackle and he's going to be the balance up guy.

Yes. And the guy that occupies that side of line. You bring the left guard over. You bring the center to block the defensive tackle. Mm-hmm. And then the two guys outside the right side are handled by the right tackle, right guard. Which is tricky. Which is tricky.

And again, like, you know, BG used to, I'd say, what do you want? And somebody would say 40. And like, in that situation, when you have a really quick tackle, whether it's Fletcher or BG, you could start to play off them. They can play off you. and it really stresses an offense. I look at this. You've got Bosa and Mack.

Mac you've played with, Bosa you've played against. Max and Chandler, which is really exciting one to watch. Cowboy Reed's team's got two solid edge rushers now and Randy Gregory and Bradley Chubb. And then, of course, the Chiefs with Chris Jones and Frank Clark. But it's really, and this is no disrespect to Frank Clark

because I think he's a really fun rusher. But Chris Jones is the straw that stirs that drink. Like, I know you practice against Chris Jones, like sum that up. And we've seen it with Chris Jones with other pairings other than Chris Frank Clark that had success on the edge last year. Mike Dana, who's a rusher also from Michigan, who was kind of our rotational rusher. He had some success early when Frank was dealing with, I think it was hamstring or calf

or something like that. But yes, to your point, Chris Jones is a whole other can of worms. Who? Because he can line up at the three technique, and he can, end up at the five. He can end up at the opposite A. Any of those places you have to keep your head on a swivel from guard, center guard for picks, for games, for anything, but for an edge rusher having a guy as talented as Chris Jones inside, it lets you know you're playing one-on-one with that tackle. Yeah, no question. And Chris Jones is so interesting to me because he's a higher-cut guy. Sometimes he seems like he's playing high, but he's so strong and so twitchy. His twitchiness,

he doesn't look as twitchy as he is. And I remember when he came to the league, I was like, oh, that guy's a big tall guy, like, but he's got some fucking juice. And he also just puts his hands on people and bench presses them in the weirdest, the weirdest situation. His hand placement's funky,

and he still pushes people back. He can stand straight up and not lose any leverage. It makes zero sense from a physics standpoint, but he makes it happen. And you were talking about him being twitchy. A lot of people set up for a 6'5-285 guy for power. Right. And he beats you with him.

hand. He doesn't even touch you. Yeah. And he's at the quarterback. He knows how to get skinny. But if you want to challenge that part of him, he can turn that to power. Yep, no question about it. So, like, in that division, you've got a lot of great duos now. I think

my favorite duo, and if we were to rank the duos around the league, because I was starting to go down this list, Buckner and Gokwe, you've got, you know, Shaq and JPP, you've got Simmons and Landry. They just paid Landry in Tennessee that chances of him busting. I said this the other day as a big pickup for them is low because as long

as he stays healthy, he's got that guy right there in Jeffrey Simmons, who's an absolute fucking game wrecker, who's an absolute game wrecker. So, you know, you've got Hunter and Smith now, Z Smith up in Minneapolis and sweating young, some younger pairings, both saw Armstead, a ton of great duos in the NFL now. And if I forgot anybody, we will get to them. But I love Max Crosby because he's so disruptive. I always say this as a rusher like he hits for average and power. A little more average than power because his sack numbers aren't like gaudy, but what he does is he's going to end up around the quarterback all the time.

I think this year, depending on whose site you looked at, he had 30 hits or 20 hits, depending on which site, and it's funny, the variability between these sites and how they count hits. But 30 hits is a fuck ton of hits. I was a career hits and pressures guy. I don't think I ever had more than 25. And this guy was an absolute dog this year. That's why he got the attention he got. A guy that didn't get enough credit was Yonik and Gokwe,

who's now in Indianapolis and part of a great pairing there with him and Buckner. So I love Max Crosby. I love Chandler Jones. And the thing about Chandler Jones, and you might agree with this, Kyle, is he's never been a guy who's just, his 10-yard split is incredible. He's not this guy like a, you know, a Josh Sweat in Philly where you're like, damn, I can hear him getting off the ball. He's so fast.

It's, Chandler's so smooth and he's such a technician that his style of rush will allow a team that's going to pay him big bucks to reap the benefits of having him well into his 30s. I really do believe that. If he can stay healthy, guys like that. He's like Durant.

You don't lose. You can't block his shot. He's not doing anything spectacular, but he's 6'10, he can shoot any dribbles. He's funky, man. He's got a lot of, he's got the dip thing. So even though he's not getting off the ball, even though he's not burning off the ball

and beating you the spot all the time, he can touch the ground and dip. He also has great long-arm stuff. Things that don't look violent, I promise you, it hurts that he's doing to you. But it doesn't look effort. It's effortless, yeah. Coincidentally.

Yeah. I mean, it just comes natural to him. Yeah, we should have done martial arts. We would have been a lot better technicians, maybe. Yeah. You know? All we got was, like, you know, like, grew up with brothers. Come off the ball.

Okay, so. If I had to rank him in the league, I'd probably put Max and Chandler up near the top. You know, like, I'm looking at this. If I'm to do a top five, you cannot ignore T.J. and Cam, T.J. and Cam, to me, might be number one.

T.J. and Cam, because you have such a dominant inside rusher, a guy who rushes with power, but has damn near 10 sacks a year, it's incredible. And then T.J. had 22 this year, so it's hard to ignore him. And Cam never leaves the field.

Cam never leaves the field. Shack and JPP, they had a down year last year, so I can't put them in the top five duo, just based off of last year and maybe like the way, you know, JPP's getting older now. I don't know how old he is, he's probably 32. I'm not gonna hold his age against him. I'm not putting sweat and young in there.

They haven't done enough. Zadaria Smith and De Nile or Dinell Hunter. I don't know, Daniel. You better know his name, because that motherfucker's really good. Best-looking arms in football. Incredible arms. Oh, Miles Garrett.

Khalil Mack and DeNeil Hunter. No, Miles is a little too bulky. And how about Miles Garrett isn't even on this list because there's not a duo there? Like, how incredible is Miles Garrett? He just does all that by himself. And now I know they lost Ogon Joby last year, but he gets Chase Winnevich this year to rush opposite.

So, um... Studio favorite. I'm putting... Yeah, no, no. I'm putting Z. Smith and the Neil Hunter in the top five. Both. I'm going to put Nick Bosa

and Armstead and Top Vy because I am totally sold on Nick Bosa now. I thought that the hype was a little bit much early based on his production, but like my God, he has been just a terror, and he just can win so many different ways. He's so compact. He's tough to get hands on. Yeah. And if you do get hands on him, he's like Rebar.

Yeah, rebar is dangerous. You don't like Rebar. I don't like Rebar. I don't like Rebar. I'm not a big fan of Rebar. Could we do something else there? I mean, I mean, just construction work. Container homes.

Is there something else with a 3D print? Because they'll leave the rebar up in the yard. Like that's the type of unlucky shit. I feel like the rock saved somebody in a movie where they were like stuck to a piece of rebar. He like ripped them off. Terminator had some rebar through him. Did you know that in Terminator?

Schwarzenegger had some rebar through him. Go back and check that out. The dangers of rebar. I'm going Max and Chandler in my top five, Bosa and Armstead. I'm going to go, I'm going to go, in Smith because I think Zadaria Smith he played 18 snaps last year they were fucking gorgeous he was

sitting at home with a bad back all year came out in the playoffs and just started dogging people and Hunter's the most talented edge Russian elite he's more talented like you know miles Garrett has really put it together but Hunter's got just as much talent he runs like dk me maca bro he's incredible yeah he's incredible the length the speed the whole thing that leaves me bosa and mac I think mac has a big big rebound year this year I think bosa has a big rebound year this year I think bosa has a big here this year. I think they're both really motivated. You play with Khalil Mack. What's that all about? So Khalil Mack, and I'm glad you asked, was one of the, like honestly, the chillest, like lowest heartbeat humans I've ever been around. Talk slow, talk quiet, played loud and

fast and hard. And I gather that Joey Bosa is a similar kind of guy. Yeah. And I think that those two will be able to feed off of one another. And as you know, sometimes you put two, tinctures in the same mason jar and you get the wrong kind of fire i think you might be cooking with gasoline out there in uh in southern california i love i love joey bosa i feel like people forgot about joey bosa because nick's been so good but he's a totally different rusher he's a technician uh i'll put them in my top five so right now i've got the uh i've got the raiders i've got the i've got the nineers i've got the stealers that's four i got to find a fifth that's really hard i'm to put Hunter and Smith in there. And again, like, Trey Hendrickson and Sam Hubbard are awesome.

They're awesome. They're going to just miss the cut maybe. I just think Hunter and Smith are so talented. God, you're going to leave out Simmons and Landry. I can't rank these things. It's hard. We started out, like, trying to rank these duos. Like, everybody's so good. Aaron Donald and anybody? Aaron Donald and anybody. Leonard Floyd. Aaron Donald and Gaines. There's so many good. edge rush duos in the NFL right now. Do you have a favorite? My favorite is the one we were just discussing, the Chargers.

They're going to be playing with a ton of leads. And you have to understand, going into my list, Chris is speaking, purely defensive. This is what a defensive end thinks about. Now, offensive linemen, I'm going to kind of give you a little bit of a taste. So the Chargers, they can play with a ton of leads. I think about two-minute drives, opportunities for sacks, opportunities for pressures.

Justin Herbert's in every single game and if he's not in the game he's winning by 28 except for the Patriots came there that was a tough one but that's the theme there with the Chargers and as you know rushers with leads get opportunities I have the Raiders at number two

because of what we talked about with Chandler Max Max is such a complete player he's a guy that no matter how much film you watch you're never going to be prepared enough because he's going to learn three more moves by the time they stopped recording that film and perfect them. And he's going to throw him at you like knives out of his shirt the whole game. And even if you do get him blocked or disrupted or slowed down enough to get the ball off or to get the back through,

you're going to feel it. And it's going to be one of those things, particularly if you're a division opponent. It's tough to beat the guy once. It's extremely tough to beat him twice. And now you add Chandler Jones, who I think is the best rusher. I mean, in the last, like, what? Decade. Decade.

He's had, I think he might have had up there with the, if not the, just from a pure, just from a pure green light, go get them. Chandler Jones is a guy you don't want to line up against. Greenlight podcast. I'm sure he's a big fan. Okay. I don't know about all that. So that's two, Indy.

I have Indy. So turf, home field advantage. Got a lot of, a new stuff going on there that we talked about. Their running game is incredible. teams are going to be forced to throw the ball against them, particularly late in games. I think that these guys are dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. That Buckner is a good player.

Defoe. So I'll tell you a story about Defoe. He played at Oregon, and he was a freshman. When I transferred in there as a senior, Eric Armstead and DeForest Buckner were both incoming freshmen, and those are the guys that we had to block. It's also crazy that then they had to pick one in San Francisco. Yeah.

Like, and by the way, Armstead's been really good there. He's good. He's good. He's good. And it'd be hard to, you know. Two tremendous human beings as well. So I always root for Defo.

I always root for Eric with an A, Armstead. N a K. Got an A.K. Yeah. Yeah, that's another big deciding factor there in the name. Okay. So back to my list here. Okay.

Uh, we were talking Bengals. Okay. That is a hard place to block people. Cincinnati's loud The jungle I don't quite understand What they've done with their seats Is it all green

So it looks like a jungle Is that what they're trying to do It kind of feels like that When you're there Trey Hendrickson Man he's physical Got great hands man Man he's physical

And he's down to compete I watched him in Orlando Brown Go at it About Orlando Brown I remember one of those plays In that playoff game I saw Orlando Brown Trap his arms down

Because a lot of times A lot of mental trap Like if we go, the rule with if you stick in a one-arm stab for people at home, that's like when we look like we're speed rushing and we stick out one arm and try to push the player back with that one arm, you don't want to be out over your feet. And, like, Trey got out over his feet a couple times. And Orlando not only snatched that arm down, but then laid on top of him.

And that is not a fun mattress to have on top of you, I would imagine. Orlando is one of the biggest human beings you'll ever see. And for him to just exert that much energy, it means that Trey was really pissing him off. fun to watch that film. Trey's great. Hubbard is so much bigger in person. He's a real D-N, dude.

He's a real defense man. Sam Hubbard is a real left-end, dude. And that's why I love Sam Hubbard. He's a real left end. He might not give you the flashiest numbers sometimes, Russian, but he also had some big sacks in that game against y'all in the red zone. And, like, he hustles and the whole thing and play the run. So, I mean, I totally love them being on that list.

And their offense sets them up. Again, it's a recurring theme, but points equate to sacks. equate to wins, equate to pressures, and I think the Bengals are going to be up a lot. And going back to the Lael Collins signing, things of that nature

that help you off offensively are going to help you out two-fold defensively, I think. The last one I had on my list before my honorable mention, I actually had the Bucks. The Bucks are number five on my list. The Bucks?

Yeah, because of how stout they are up the middle, how fast they are at the second level, and the same green light podcast mentality, They do have that green light mentality. What was the guaranteed number they gave Vita Vaya? Vita got almost $34 million. You get him a veneer. They gave that man some money.

And you know what? Chris, Vita Vaya. If you rush next to Vita Vaya, how many sacks are you getting in a year if you're winning every game? I mean, at 37 years old, I'll be... 26-year-old Chris Long. 37-year-old Chris Long get five. Okay. Yeah.

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1-800-9-9-7-89. Chris, how much a boost do you give any of these duos for having played multiple years together? I think that's a big deal, dude. I really do. It's one reason why I think Jeffrey Simmons and Landry are going to work out well. You know, like AD and Florida are going to have a real rapport here. I mean, that means a lot because, like,

Just in two years in Philly, I could tell you, and I could go back to St. Louis as a rush, you're just speaking from experience. By the second year, me and Fletch didn't have to talk. Me and BG didn't have to talk. Like we just look at each other and know what we were gonna do. And a lot of the times, like if you have a defensive line coach that gives you the latitude to make calls up front,

not just set the front according to the back, where we identify the protection to be. If he gives you latitude to do that, you've gotta be able to communicate nonverbaly. Just look at each other and be like, yes. Because, And a lot of times we'll come to line and give fake calls fucking with him. Like I'll come up and see if Kyle's looking at me.

I'll be like I'll say a T word, which would obviously be a tackle first end around game. Or I'll say an E word. We, yeah. So the days of us just being like T, T or E or text and exit, like now we would have elaborate systems like if you said a band name, that's going to be, you know, a tackle first stunt. Second letter of the word is a T. It gets really complicated, dude. Like, we started naming basketball.

Like, I would look at our right tackle and I would say LeBron. And that would be like jump, jump shot. So I'd jump set. It's so interesting, just all the, the secretive vernacular that goes on in the NFL. And you have to change it. You have to change it. Everything's on film. But it is.

It's all about like your comfort next to the person. And like also the style of rusher. Like me and Michael Bennett couldn't rush together. Like, we had a ball. all off the field, but we'd get out there and like, it was our first year and we were both old guys doing whatever and we're both rushers that like can go any direction. And that was tough for us because we're both counter rushers.

Like Michael Bennett will jump in the A gap and then jump all the way back out into the B gap. Or Michael Bennett will be like this rush, I'm gonna rush around the tackle, but I'm gonna line up in a three technique. And I'll be like, what? With no pads on me? Or I'd come in and spin

and beat the tackle on the cleanest spin and we just run into each other. And, you know, know what like maybe if me and mike had a couple more years we'd have been better at it well for me if i'm trying to make a backside block or a chip block or a chop block or a chop block or a combo block or a crackback block or a cross block or a cut off block or a down block or even a drive block or a fold block or a kickout block or a log block or a reach block or a scoop block or or a scramble block or a second level block or a slip block or a stalk block or a trap block

or a wedge block or a zone block for me it's probably the two guys in pittsburg it's heyward and watt it's tough yeah that's your number one that's your favorite probably my favorite too the numbers say it i mean like and listen i i throw out my rankings i'm not actually ranking anybody i'm just discussing and Kyle's the structure conversation. It's a structure conversation. It's just too many great rushers, and there's too many variables. Like, we could say this guy's, this duo is not that great, and they could have a great year because they have a ton of leads,

or, you know, they fall into a bunch of stuff. You got great coverage behind you. Yeah, come on. So these guys are all great. I'm like Roblo. I'm the Roblo. I find it hard to believe you guys. I just want to take Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa.

That's all on this. Well, the problem is the only reason I didn't take them first. And those powder blues. The only reason I take them first is because they both have kind of like not prove it years, but they both know they want to have big years. Like, Kalil hadn't had double digits in a couple years. Like, I think they're going to do it this year. Can you imagine him in a winning locker room?

The spark under him? Oh, fuck, he's going to be hard to deal with. Love Kalil Mack. Kyle and Chris, you guys were mentioning that vernacular that like the other lines use. Are you scouting that in advance? Like, our coaches telling you like what they might say? Yes. And are you afraid of being bluffed?

Yeah. I may get a text from the center for the Titans who says when you're playing the bills you know this guy will say this this is what this is what we saw and then you got to see it and you're like fuck that might have been true last week but they didn't do any of that we go we go to the TV copy a lot

and we'll try to like we watch end zone phone but then like if you're really detailed you might say hey coach give me the TV copy is the TV copy is going to give you the calls and the cadence and the mic booms are so good on NFL on Fox and CBS nowadays like they can pick anything up you know how people go viral for you know hearing somebody say fuck on the sideline or something that you didn't plan on here and well we're looking for just the cadence all that stuff and not just the line calls the slides but also

different angles that you can see different things happening on the tv copy like i can see quarterback hands better you might be able to see somebody's eyes they might zoom in on kyle and kyle's fucking eyes are bugging out you can see all six of my abs flexing. Exactly. That could be my key. And then I'm seeing Kyle look down and I know that every time he looks down or I saw that on TV, well, he's gonna look down and it's the, I'm giving you the most basic

answer, but there could be a double team there. Well, that's like Aaron Donald. I was playing against Aaron Donald the game you were hurt. Yeah. I was playing right tackle and obviously we had a ton of double teams on him in the run game planned and I would look down at him pre-snap. I would be looking down and after the play, one time we fucking like this was we didn't know that he was the best of all time of the time so we're

just like not afraid just going after what was the scouting report on him the first year probably just a freak show great rusher you know plays hard just didn't know he was good leverage you just didn't know he's john randall and uh and and and and and warren saff so we were fearlessly trying to get aran donald blocked yeah and he was fearlessly combating it yeah and we we beat you guys pretty handily we did not beat him that day and he looked at me After in a TV timeout, he walked up to me and said, hey big guy. And I looked at it and he goes,

every time you look at me before the play, I know you go double team me. And I looked at him and I was like, thanks, Aaron. I walked back to the huddle and I was like, we got to stop looking at him, period. I was like, just don't even look at them. Just don't look at him.

Just don't look at him, which is also a good strategy generally with Aeronth. Like just, shout out, you know, shout out, Aaron Donald. D.

linemen do look at what you do. It's so funny sitting in a room and hearing a sky. I heard scattering reports on you a couple times. It's like funny to like get ready to play your brother. And I'd, you know, if anything negative was said, which there wasn't anything negative was said, I was ready to be like, what the fuck did you say about the guy we're about to play? He's really good at that. Yeah. Or like if you're playing a team, if you're not preparing for me, but there's a common film that you see for like, oh, that was 2015. Holy shit. Those are the best. If you, yeah, I, would, Yep. So an interesting conversation we'd have more of them. Like when I see the St. Louis Rams on film, I'm like, oh, hey, rookies, do you know what this is? The film is grainy.

Trey Smith's like, Tray Smith's like, what year is this, man? If you look back at our St. Louisville, it is so old. I do want to point out, hey, two and no and nothing to do with me, but we was good luck when I was out there in uniform. We were good luck. Oh, and I want to play for you the fight thing since we're talking about. This is actually pretty funny. I was on a podcast yesterday. They asked me, tell me about playing your brother. The show is Rams Talk Radio. They're in the Blue Wire Network family. Great friends of ours. Go pop over to their page and hear Chris's interview from the other day.

They did a deep dive on the Rams from the late 2000s. I really enjoyed it. I'll play people. The, you know, people at home can hear what I said about the fight. My brother was a rookie. He looks, he looks out to me. I'm his big brother.

Like, you know, we're boys. We're really tight. But especially at that point as like a rookie, like I was his big brother. And he wanted to have a good game. And there were so many people in town. And Kyle has a little bit different fuse than me. Like my fuse runs long, you know, and then just like blows like Kyle's fuse when he was especially young was like a really short one. And William Hayes is somebody that can kind of accelerate that combustion. And Will knows that about Kyle.

Like I took Kyle with the D-line coincidentally the summer before his rookie year. to Las Vegas and we went to this pool party. We had a great weekend. He was like one of the guys. William Hayes and Kyle, super tight, everybody cool. Fast forward to November. Coming in town, we got 50 people in town. It's the first time the brothers have played.

It's an overhyped event. We don't even really line up directly across from each other, but if I stunt, I might have to deal with him, that sort of thing. But nonetheless, it's going to be high stakes. And by the end of the first quarter, Will has him so pissed off that he physically like he just picks William Hayes up who's one of the strongest people I've ever seen throws him around like a rag doll like if you look up a video of like a bear fucking up a human like that's quite literally what it look like in person and my friend like I've never seen William go so

like just lifeless like he just had to just hopefully the animal gets tired of it and walks away but Kyle was just like pounding him with turf and throwing him around and I had to run off the sideline to like and people thought I was going to Kyle because I cared or like save I was trying to save Kyle from getting ejected because I didn't want dinner after the game to be so fucking somber with all those people because if because after Kyle because Kyle gets to get on team playing right and go home and lick his wounds I got to sit at a funeral dinner what for we won dude like why is everybody so sad it's because Kyle can't control is fucking How did the fight go down in your eyes?

So I think it was like a third and long. Yeah. We were midfield. Josh McCown was a quarterback. Yeah. I think he was coaching and teaching the week before, you know, and became our quarterback that week. Yeah.

I think it was his first day on the job for like first game on the job and obviously he's season vet. So we were really trying to protect him like coach said he can do his thing if we block for him. So we were getting it done. Well, we didn't block for him one time. There was a strip sack, maybe Robert like strip sack or something like that. Like backside, nobody saw it coming,

and the ball shot out 15 yards on the ground behind the quarterback. And I turned around, and obviously I take off running towards the ball. And of course, standing next to me was William Hayes, who also saw the same thing I did, and he took off towards the football. And he said, well, I'm just going to eliminate one of their guys now, you know, which is me. He's going to block me. A he play.

Which is a he play. Now there's a kosher way to do it. And there's, you know, not. For a no, I mean, you really have a lot of rules about the rules of engaging. There's halal and there's not halal. And that day, he did some stuff that was against the book. It was not halal. And he hit me in the back.

Yeah. And I can't remember if I went immediately down or if I stumbled to caught myself and turned around. But he hit, it was a hit and run. It was a hit and run. Well, that's the what will. So he hit me and he took off running towards a football. Little did he know. Yeah.

I could run pretty good. And I sprinted and I caught up to him. And before I like, you know, he didn't see me. I took my left hand on his left shoulder and peeled him back while he was running. So he was turned towards me. And now we're just to chest moving at like eight miles an hour. And I just buried him. And I knew I couldn't just punch and stuff, right?

You can't just throw punches. So I'm like, I'm here now. What do I have to do something making? So I just go elbow digs to the throat. elbow digs elbow like I'm kneading dough he was just and he's on the ground on the top of him so Chris sees this immediately

probably when I first grabbed William and I started chasing him Chris sprinted from the sideline through his helmet on weaved through his own players which is a fine we'll talk about that later comes out grabs the back and meanwhile all the Rams are trying to pull me off

I'm looking at it here running back about 20 seconds. So, okay, so I run down the field. Me and William are getting into it. There's a melee. Chris runs off the sideline. That's the fastest I've ever looked. I mean, this is a five flat. And my own teammates are trying to pull me off. They can't. Roberto Garza's 40. Yeah, but can deadlift the wall. Chris tries to pull me off and he pulls me off. And when he does, you see that jersey? My hands are no longer in the fight. So what do I do, Chris? I use my right leg. Yeah, you used your right leg. I kicked. Yeah, you kicked. I don't know if I connected. You probably connect with Will.

And I think it's been almost a decade. The fight was over. We are with our friends. Statute limitations on this bullshit is over. We talk on FaceTime often. But the funniest thing in the world was that we were all cool. So I say this all the time. I said this on that podcast yesterday.

We was in Vegas last week. The worst part about it was two things that you should know. Number one, Kyle was going to his rookie year. I decided to scoop him up, take him to Vegas with the D-line. said this would be a good time, like show Kyle what the NFL life's all about. Which it was. Which was.

And coincidentally, he carried me out of a party that day. Like I was on a stretcher. I woke up at one in the morning in Vegas. And Kyle was staying with me at the wind, coincidentally. And I said, Kyle, where are we going tonight? The lights were all off,

the whole thing. Chris is one in the morning. Go back to bed. You passed out since 3 p.m. So Kyle, so Kyle was an integral part of that trip and was really cool. It was me, Kendall Langford, William Hayes, the whole group.

We were buddies. It was like Kyle was one of us. And the next time we saw each other, it just went south. And it ended in William Hayes almost dying, dude. And so I thought that was really interesting. And also the fact that there were 50 people in town. And I had to entertain all these motherfuckers after the game. We had the on Thanksgiving.

It was like a wedding. Okay, like all the long boys get married, all that stuff. Congratulations. By the way, Kyle. But like, this was like the fourth wedding. It was Kyle coming to play Chris in St. Louis's rookie year. Let's get everybody we know, invite him to St. Louis. And then after Kyle, by the grace of God, doesn't get ejected,

I have to sit around the Ritz crawling with a bunch of Mopee motherfuckers wondering if Kyle's tearing up the team playing. But before any of this, I think there was a lot of laughs on the team playing, honestly. But after the play, you know, we're all separated. I'm still on the field. I don't know how they haven't pulled me off the field. Yeah, well, how we long. So it's like a TV timeout essentially. I'm gonna Jack Howie Long's son out of the long bolt.

Chris is looking across the line of scrimge at me. He's like, you dumb motherfucker. He's like, that FedEx is coming, which means you're gonna get fined a lot of money. I didn't know what the FedEx man at first. I was like, this guy's sending me a bomb or what? He's like, that fucking FedEx is coming. And I was like, yeah, I didn't even know what he was saying. I'm like, fuck you.

Yeah, what's gonna break? And then William Hayes was still on the field. He goes walking up behind Chris. And he goes, Kyle! What's up, man? We used to be boys. We was in Vegas. He said, we was in Vegas.

What happened, Kyle? Yeah. Like, just still trying to wind you up. Palms up. He just took a beating and he still was talking to you. He's a tough. He's tough and he's strong, but that's day he wasn't. That day he wasn't so strong.

Doesn't wear gloves. Does not wear gloves. That's what Trey Hendrickson is such an absolute menace. Yep. Guy just tapes his fingers. Like, what, like, he's from the 40s. Reggie White shit. Yeah.

All right. So that was, that was, that was, I just, it was my story along the lines of what you said. Yeah,

pretty much. Yeah, I didn't embellish it. I just said, Kyle lost, he went shark eyes and, um,

and, uh, had to go rescue of out of the pool. Dude. Um, so you're welcome. I will bill you for that. Because I got fine

for coming off the sideline. I think it was a million dollars. All right. So, anyways. And those were all your family members. You referred to as motherfuckers. No,

no, no, I wouldn't do that. Okay. No, A bunch of mopey motherfuckers. No, it was a bunch of old, you know, it was people that were, you know, fringy friends of the family. We're real friends.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. Fringy friends of the family. Some awkward. Just awkward shit. Like, oh, thanks for having us. I love you.

I'm going to go watch our fight on Sports Center. Thanks for having us, Howie and Diane. Yeah, thanks. Thanks so much. That was a lot of fun. Your house must have been fun. Yeah. No, Kyle.

I got to say, man, like. Those 20-22, y'all would have been canceled. That was, hey, listen, you've come a long way. as a big brother from being so charged up, coming to play your bro and all the guys you went to Vegas with, and you just wanted to kick ass that game and have a great game. And like three Pro Bowls later, 10 years later, like you're just, you've come a long way since brutalizing William Hayes

at the Edward Jones. Thank you. We've had a good run. You've had a really good run, man. You've had a really big deal. Hey, this just in, Kyle, before we get to the mailbag, Tyreek Hill says new Dolphins head coach Mike Big Daniel, Sounds like Shrek.

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You get it. Like, you get it? I'm good at acting like I get it. I'm good at acting like I get it. I'm good at acting like I get it. Just so you know, if you hear mailbag on anybody else's show, they stole it from us. Okay. This is from Mama Feels Good.

What's the least prestigious position on an NFL team, positional hierarchy? We've got to take the kickers out. Kickers, though, or not? Like, Justin Tucker, Tucker has the, the upward mobility of like a saudi prince. I would say, and I hate to say this because I know a couple really great ones, Long Snapper.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, maybe so, but Long Snappers are among the most well liked. That's what I'm, like it just echoes the same sentiments. But the long snapper generally, but here's the deal. Long Snappers are also now dudes that can play a super long time on one team.

Like the longest. Pat Manly played 16 years. Exactly. Great job. security. So chances are a long snappers average age in the NFL is going to be older, so prestige points. So, okay, it goes back to

prestigious. So Mama feels good. Chris and I both have the same feelings about long snappers. I love you breaking the fourth wall, too. I got to try that. Like breaking the fourth wall, you're talking to Mama feels good. I had written down here and Charverius Ward was a really great player who just got signed for a lot of money. He plays

defensive back. You guys probably don't of that. And that's why I think that defensive back but prestige are we defining prestige as fan or like within the locker room because she's asking from an outside outsider perspective. So you're talking like rank.

Yeah like in the locker room like and I was going to say guard give me two seconds. A guard that can't swing. I think that Quinn Nelson is the biggest swinging dick in the Colts locker room.

And he plays guard. No question. And not tackle. But you could find a corner that kind of runs a team too. That's such an outlier. I haven't seen that. Quentin Nelson. But I haven't seen it.

Right. I saw Charles Tillman year 13 when he was laughing at our new coach. I didn't see him run the team. But everybody's got prestige. Okay. Maybe it's tight end. We're being honest. Yeah.

Because there's like five of them. They're very important. But like generally, I don't know. This is a good question. It's a really good question. I don't think anybody. doesn't have who is it not anybody in the locker room can have

yeah clout it's just about being like Justin Tucker has clout okay he's a kicker but she's got to be like amazing at your job or have like that that personality that people are like yeah I fuck with this guy so like long snappers of yeah long snipers punters Johnny hecker's got clout so there's not Johnny Jones had cloud in philly there's no strict concrete hierarchy hierarchical blueprint of every locker room the way I was thinking about it was like value in the market and like and like how many people can I find that can do this job you can swing you can play tackle and guard you can move up and down the but I do know that like a lot of times you

might find that guards are easy to find on the street it's easier to replace a guard than like I don't know a corner you if you got to replace a corner like that's hard to be fucked yeah you can find another guard you know what I mean like and this is no disrespect to o lineman because fuck the O line won a Super Bowl in Philly And I'm sitting next to one of the best guards that played in the league during my time in the league. And, you know, there are outliers, but generally, yeah. One thing I don't understand is why don't teams draft, like, guards and centers as early as other positions? They seem important to me from the outside, but you never see somebody projected top of the first round.

Because you can get them deeper in the draft. The last time that that happened was the 2013 draft where there was a run on guards early, and that's the only reason why I became a first round pick. And if you go back and look at the 2013 draft, that is why they don't draft guards in the high first round. Creed Humphrey was a second rounder, and he added better than first round value to our team. It's just so funny,

because what this question ends up being is just talking about positions. Just talking ball. Because everybody can have clout. There's no position that automatically, you know, keeps you. But I think more interesting conversation is, what are the position groups that run the building? D-Line O-Line.

And the K-B room. Depending on which one of those groups really is the better, that group runs the show. Otherwise, if you've got a leader, like a dynamic, like Dante Hightower, linebacker, he had the most clout to me in the room. And that was like a room full of awesome

because he was just such a great leader. So to me, like the linebacker room was kind of like a big deal. And they had a linebacker room has to call a bunch of plays in New England. Some defenses are more simple. I didn't need anything from Michael Kendricks. Like, it's my boy, but I don't depend on him for anything.

By the time I was like my second month in New England, like I was like a baby bird in Dante High Tower's nest. And I like dependent on him for food. Like I was like, where's my call? Where's Dante High Tower? He hit me so hard one time. A heartbeat near him. I needed Dante High Tower.

He separated my shoulder. He's like a coach on the field. Yeah. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. Great question. Great mailbag question from Mama Feels Good. Mama feel good. This is from Harrison D. Hay.

Kyle, who is your favorite local journalist who loves to attack private school football teams? Aside from his co-host? I think that's what the question was. I think it was just... I get it. Because Macon. Yes. Macon.

Who's outside on a real estate call. And good for him. Obviously, the writing stuff just... Yeah, the writing stuff. That's what this, the bashing, you know what's crazy, bashing our football team in high school, like his career landed here on this podcast. Yeah, that's funny.

P. Bansel, renamed teams with geographically inaccurate names, i.e. like the Lakers, the jazz. It's funny, I don't have much here. I really don't. I mean, the New Orleans Hilltoppers. The Las Vegas, virgins

you know like everybody Las Vegas Saints How about the Kansas City hills but they do have some bluffs They do I live in I live in the

the hilly region It's very flat Okay The Washington Honest That's good Yeah fuck yeah The honest The honest

The honest Aves Yeah Okay Alabama progress. That would be fucking good now. The Hollywood grown-up lovers. That's so bad.

It's good. The Seattle dry guys. Virginia haters. Not the lovers. Give me some more team names. The Knicks. Yeah, what even is that? The New York space.

The New York space. Silence. Just have it. New York silence, that's good. This is your drill, dude. Yeah. Keep going. Keep naming teams.

Yes. The Warriors, the Golden State Warriors, the Golden State people with homes. Golden State, small government. The Brooklyn Try Not Hards. A lot of hipsters. JJ Reddick comes up there. Yeah, I was trying to think of like.

J.J. Reddick up there. Tommy Alter. From TMC. 0-211. Most niche reference, Kyle and you, Chris, understand, and it's only funny to you, too. I know. Bagel? Bagel. Bagel.

Bagel. Yeah. Bagel. Con. We play con sometimes, but bagel is a game. Well, it's not a game, but we just used to say bagel all the time. Because my dad is the most pure-hearted person of all time. You know how, like, I'm so cynical if I say something that it all sounds. or something that sounds like, you know, like, you know, nefarious in any way. My head's already there, so I'm like careful about saying it. My dad just doesn't think about things that aren't pure.

And at like dinner, sometimes he would say something along lines of what Rex Chapman said the other day. He, like, he'd say, like, the chicken's really moist or like, this is so moist. That's wet. Yeah, like things like that or. With a straight face. Yeah, like, you know, one time there was a luxury suite that people were in. And he was like, it is so humid in this box.

It is moist in this box. I mean, like, there's moisture in the box. On the walls of the box. So instead of saying that's what she said, we just used to say bagel at the dinner table. So if dad ever said something that you'd have to say that's what she said, and we didn't want to get in trouble for saying that's what she said. We're laughing at dad. We would endearingly say bagel. Now, he's since realized what we're saying.

Dad's evolved so much in that way that even recently, I think he actually tapped me on the shoulder and was like bagel. Because somebody said something, it was like an alley-up, and that's what she said. Hey, love you. Very good job.

He's just such a pure, pure-hearted person. This is from the Move Maker. What is the worst sibling combo in sports history? So, Makin and I were talking about this earlier. He kind of brought up a good point. The Menendez brothers, when they sat court-side at the next.

after they killed their parents yeah that's the worst that's the worst uh sibling combo in sports history that's pretty bad try finding me a worse one somebody's gonna say like the morris twins i'm willing to bet that there has the menendez brothers i'm willing to bet that there has been like a hockey player internationally or something that has a twin brother and they're both like terrible guys and they play and when the one guy's not playing he's out whacking people wagon people he's whacking him off and then he's whacking everybody off and his brother's doing the same thing in hockey. Shift change. Fernando's brothers.

This is from La Flamablanca 95. Yes. Are there more lightning or cattle in the world? The other day we were looking at some cows. This is so good. I'm glad you wrote this stuff out. We were sitting there and Kyle said something along the lines of there's so many cattle in the world.

No, you were like, how many people a year you think are killed by cattle? And I said a whole lot more than you think. he was like, oh, it's interesting. Who do you think kills more people, lightning or cattle? And I said, probably cattle in a given year. But then the real kicker was, what do you think there's more of? Lightning or? Because I looked at Chris when we first had this conversation.

I said, I said, I'm sure a lot of people get killed by cows, but there's more cows than there's lightning. And he was like, he's like, not so fast, my friend. Hey, there's another gift. How many cows are there in America? There's a lot. A lot of cattle. One billion cattle. One billion head.

So how many people are killed by cattle annually? About 22 in the United States. How many people are killed by lightning? A lot more. And lightning happens. But here's the deal. Far less. But lightning and cattle kill a ton of people in like other countries, I think.

And there's about one. A big lightning. Radical lightning and balzy cattle. Well, think about it. Like cattle are just running free depending on, you know, where you go. Just everywhere. Yeah. When's the last time you saw a wild cow? Fucking last time I was out of the country, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And they don't document lightning strikes in certain nations. We're really on top of that here. Just I thought it was

an interesting conversation and a question. La Flava Blanca 95. Thank you for the middle bag. It made the pod. Yeah. Thank you. Great job. I just want to say this. I don't know if there's odds on the mass singer and guessing the mass singer, but I could be rich. I'm two for two. Now, Jordan my lot of being thinking of Bob was a little bit chalkier, but I know that voice from anywhere. I did not have any inside knowledge. Joe Buck, Jordan, Joe Buck, that motherfucker. I texted him and was like, it's you. I know it's you. This was like two weeks before just to see like if he would bite and he kept characters so well, dude. He was just like, ha, ha, ha. Like, so he didn't confirm or deny it.

So I'm two for two. I'll knock the next few down too. Maybe next show. I'll look and see who else is singing. Unfortunate news today. I'll get your quick reaction. There's a fire at Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium in Denver. Looks like stands on fire in the upper deck. The fire started at the club level on the east side of Empower Field at Mile High and kind of

made its way up to the top. How do you think science plays into this fire? It's more dangerous than a normal fire at a stadium because the air is thinner, it's drier, would you say? Yeah. I mean, a lot of wildfires up west. It's a lot of wildfires, exactly. I hope they get this thing under control.

First ever stadium fire. Maybe something, it's probably just an electrical issue, maybe rats, but like it also could be climate change, guys. I'm just throwing that out there. Fucking Ted Cruz, we got stadiums catching on fire. And by the way, Denver, don't try to first stadium fire in history, this stadium fire, and I hope everybody's okay. Edward Jones Dome caught on fire first.

Edward Jones Dome caught on fire. The fire was 2015. Big Ben and the Steelers came to town, standing there talking to Marcus Gilbert before the game, and I smelled rubber pellets burning. And then the field caught on fire, and then we lost the game 12-7. So it wasn't like a field catches fire and the greatest show on turf like emerges from the smoke.

Like it was literally a rock fight. So don't Denver, don't do this. Don't try to be the first, don't try to capitalize off this. That was us first. It was the Let Russ Cook movement went a little too far. Unbelievable how good that joke is. Reed, like honestly.

I'm sure I'm not the first. I did see it on Twitter. Okay. And that's the thing about jokes that really speak to you. You know, everybody's speaking that language upstairs right now. Everybody's searching for that Sierra. The first thing I asked is after I said, is everybody okay? I wondered if there was a Sierra song that had to do with like fire.

Is everybody okay, Reed, at that stadium? Everyone's cool. The fire's extinguished. It burned less than 1,000 square feet. It's going to be another fire when Russell Wilson walks into that motherfucker with his Aspen, dumb and dumber chic outfit. And everybody's like, dude, this guy is so swaggy. Check out the Pendleton on this cat.

The stadium's going to set fire again. Scary stuff, you know, but this is what we do. Like, as long as everybody's okay and the people who own the stadium have plenty of money, like, it's okay to, like, get the fire jokes off. There's a chart somewhere. Is it okay to joke about this fire? Is it not okay? I think we check all the boxes with this fire.

We can do content. Read, I like your Let Russ Cook joke. Y'all take care.