Green Light with Chris Long - Les Snead! Trent Brown! 2022 NFL Draft & Strategy. Elon Musk Buys Twitter & NBA Playoffs.

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

(2:21) - Elon Musk Buys Twitter. Pls Unplug it. (11:50) - Waterboys Golf Tournament, Hello and Angel Hernandez, MLB’s Best Umpire. (24:00) - NBA Playoffs: More Protestors, Ben Simmons and KD. (41:13) - Layup Line. (45:36) - Les Snead on the 2022 NFL Draft, F*** Them Picks, Draft Strategy, Mid Round Value, and Three 6th Round Picks = Deal with the Devil? Presented by Coors Light. (1:25:48) - Brain Talk and GL Goes to Vegas. (1:37:08) - New England Patriots Offensive Lineman Trent Brown on Resigning with the Patriots, Playing in the Cold, Advice to OLineman in the 2022 Draft, Nearly Dying in Las Vegas and Playing with Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We also talk some more protesters in the NBA playoffs, Ben Simmons and KD. We then have less sneed on. He's going to talk about the 2022 draft strategy for the L.A. Rams and his catchphrase, bleep them picks. Kyle then portals into Studio J to join Chris. in New England Patriots Offensive Lyman, Trent Brown.

We talk about resigning with New England, his advice to O. Lyman, and his very scary hospitalization. Stick around to the end for that one. And enjoy your day. IG DM. Name redacted, parts of the DM redacted. Just listen to y'all's segment on Jesus. I'll stop right there.

Not a sentence I thought I was going to read, ever. No, if you'd have said, like, yeah, this is, here's a DM from, your future line of work. Right. I would say, what's a DM. Yeah. You'd say, what's a DM?

Yeah, I would say, what's a DM? Seriously, last year I've... Well, who knows anymore? Elon Musk just took over Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I happened to be an ordained United Methodist pastor. Yikes. And I, oh, what do you mean?

No, I mean, yikes, he's probably gonna, he's gonna get biblical on us. And I couldn't stop laughing. There you go. That's great to hear. As part of the lesser-known white liberal Christian crew, I'd be happy to come talk, shop about the properly yet incorrectly rated

Jesus and a few other things. Thanks for always bringing the weekly entertainment. So I was so moved by that IGDM that I see that I've forgotten to respond. But that was a delight. We started a show or two ago. You had me. He had me in the first quarter. Yeah, right.

First half, whatever it is. With Jesus in his rating. I thought we came out looking good there. Yeah. You were even, I listened back, you were swaying me a bit. Right? Cap might be underrated. A little bit underrated.

Yeah. But we have a pastor here saying properly rated. So maybe we do get him on the program. Maybe Jesus is our corner. Reports, sources are telling me that Ryan Ricelyt thinks he's properly rated. Really? Yeah. He said that.

Yeah, as an ode to that old segment there. Okay. That used to take place when Jesus was around. Okay. Yeah. They would know Scott and Ryan. Old ass. Old ass.

Fuchs. Enjoy it for now. You'll be dead soon. Yep. You're about to be dead. As when this podcast really takes off. Yeah. I mean,

I feel it's not. But all the older ones. Yes. Yeah. I'm only, I'm only, I'm only 35. Yeah, I'm 37. But I'm also, I'm probably healthier than you.

Oh, easily. Okay. So we'll probably, it was your job to be healthy for like a long time. We'll go out together. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. But you, you carry around more mass. Yeah, so I might, I could last a little longer. Yeah. It'll be,

it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But if somebody breaks into your house. and Brad can't pick up the phone. Dude, I'm not kidding you on this. Yeah. Last two nights. I don't get up to go pee in the middle of the night. I'm just, healthy prostate.

I hold it. Last two nights, 3.30 a.m. You hold your piss in the middle night? I don't hold it intentionally. I don't have to get up to go. Okay. Except for the last two nights. And I go to the bathroom,

motor vehicles are idling outside my home. Really? Going up to the cul-de-sac and coming back out. Really? Yeah. No kidding. So. Might be time to mount up.

I'll be calling my dad on this one. Rest assured. But yeah, yeah, yeah. If I die before you, no, don't care about that. If you die before me, I'll look after everything for you, you know? Yeah, please do. I'm not worried about that one thing. Don't worry about that.

What's that? Oh, usually that means like when you go to prison or you die, like we'll look after you. Like somebody's going to like take care of your wife. Oh, I just, yeah, I mean, your family broadly. and just all of your... I'm not worried about the one thing. They're probably marry a Dolphins fan or something weird like that.

Yeah. So Elon Musk took over Twitter. That's official now? Yeah, so Musk is buying Twitter and taking it private. He's paying a total of $44 billion or $54.20 a share, which is actually a 38% premium

over the share price. Why is the app still on my phone? I don't mean this is like I'm mad that Elon Musk took over Twitter I know that people talk about like misinformation Donald Trump's gonna be back in that sort of thing I think we have a bigger problem than misinformation I think we have a problem with people that they welcome misinformation I don't I think we have an intelligence issue in this in this country so where I stand on it I hope he fucking burns the thing to the ground that would be cool turn it the fuck off I wrote

I wrote right here turn it off turn it off it's like if I could buy all the cars in Charlottesville just so I could turn it them off so no more road noise that's what Elon Musk needs to do with Twitter just turn it the fuck off dude no honestly but you could put like is there an edit button now yeah there isn't yet no edit button will be great and honestly you know like if this guy's got a hard on to put Donald Trump back online like sometimes I think it's good for everybody to realize how stupid we are yeah then then he could more easily mobilize his following and win the presidency again I feel like Donald Trump has been

has been what is it called like a ghost writing for for for for for drill wint so like we already have like a don't know trump online we don't need another don't trump they're going to be like who is this parody account for wint i wish that he would just make twitter like a sports only landscape i could care less about all of the stuff that's on there about politics you don't care about voting rights apparently not at least not what the opinions are of people on twitter about it i think we're overlooking something and big here. With Elon Musk's neuralink,

it's going to link to your Twitter account and all your thoughts are just going to be automatically tweeted. Like that South Park episode. Oh, God. And all the dudes who were, and I'm drawing a straight line to the dudes that hate Bill Gates for trying to put a chip in you

are just opening their legs for Elon Musk. Put it here, Elon. Put the chip right here. Control everything I do. That's not a problem. Can you imagine if Macon's stream of consciousness was tweeted? No. No.

Delete that browsing history. I'll tell you what, man. Like Twitter is a toxic place. There's probably a lot of work he can do with it to make it function more cleanly. I'm not exceedingly polarized on a political spectrum when it comes to like Elon Musk taking over Twitter because I don't care about Twitter. I know that Twitter like is a tremendous. tool for people like who want to spread misinformation but I think we have a bigger problem this country and that's people falling for misinformation like you know so I'm not really I'm not really moved by

that argument blow it up what would happen if we blew Twitter up and you woke up tomorrow how would your life be better or worse doom scrolling's gone okay putting out socials on Twitter is also gone great that sounds good like every other podcast or wouldn't have Twitter either. I would be totally fine. It would be about the art. It wouldn't be about, it wouldn't be about the art,

which happens right here in this room on this microphone. And I feel like for that reason, we'd be better off. Word of mouth. Word of mouth. I'd probably just go to Instagram. Yeah, that would still be around. Facebook, Instagram,

TikTok. That was good, guys. Twitter, are we married to the bird? No. Be a peacock. I really hope they don't shut it down. I need it during the NFL draft. It's fun.

Yeah, it is fun. It's good for information. If they could just figure out another way to get us sports like in real time and news in real time, like you know what would be great? An app where, hey, you want to argue about something? We'll argue, like, let's take this outside the app for a second. And we can connect and we can say, hey, like, all right, debate begins.

it's not an audience debate unless we say it as like do you want to come join this space and hear us debate? I don't want people debating online anymore. You have too much time to research your answer. You can act like you were taking the trash out, go Google a bunch of shit, you can act like you didn't see the tweet.

Like if you're going to debate somebody, like get in a fucking space or something like it, invite people in or don't. And I think Twitter should be more about like sharing I don't know. ideas and shit than debating things that never actually get ruled upon like nobody's ever been like that person won that twitter argument and people pick and choose it's like a it's like a presidential debate which isn't going to happen anymore right not on the republican side that's their way to

get trump back in like nobody's held to their argument nobody's pinned down you can always just walk away from the app and act like you had something to do maybe that's what elan musk could do like if somebody was criticizing Ben Simmons for not playing after saying all these positive things about him six months ago, maybe they should just get kicked off the app, like a hypocrisy clause or something. I don't know, man.

It's a slippery slope, which is why I don't think this experiment really works. I just hope he deletes it. Now, would you ever consider deleting your profile? Sure, but part of the thing is, dude, if I delete my profile, then what happens to this podcast? We have some business obligations.

We have some business obligations. Coors Light segment coming up. Coors Light draft segment coming up with less neat, things like that. So stick around for that. And then we've got Trent Brown on the back end. Maybe the biggest guest of all time. We'll talk about that. We'll figure that out.

There's a Waterboys event, our tonight, your last night. As soon as we get the money out of this, I'm deleting my Twitter. So this is the last thing. I'm joking, but not that you care. I'm excited about this event, man. And back when, you know, I started the Water Boys deal, I saw that a lot of people in Foundation, you know, Chris Long Foundation, I found it cool that everybody had a golf tournament. I felt like that was the I've arrived moment in like being an athlete and having a charity.

Like for years now, I've been one of the uncool kids. Now I have a golf tournament with my name on it, which is, it's an abomination, really, because I don't play golf. It's for addicts. The people that are in town at this tournament are addicted. did to golf and it's sick. Like some of them don't even want to see me. It's just they just, they have to get their fix.

You know what I mean? I've been through this thing. But I'm happy to host them. It's awesome and all seriousness. A lot of awesome people here. You know, I saw Devin McCordy earlier, Gus Farad,

Nate Boyer, you know, Kyle Long. Kyle Long has stacked his team. He's fixed the match. He was like, hey, can I bring a couple friends on my team? And I was like, yeah, give me the names. And he gave me the names.

And he Googled him. They're all golf pros. It should be fun. It really should. And like today I had to welcome everybody and I didn't set foot on the golf course. It's kind of like an invisible fence for a dog. Like if I get near a golf course,

uh-uh. You know, it's like a barrier for entry. Are you worried about the sucking, the time suck? What are you worried about golf? If I hit a ball into the rough, like too far,

if it goes in the trees, I don't want to hit a ball again. So now you're like, oh, you're not. hit your next shot. Like my next shot is going to be my third shot, right? It's like, you know, like you're taking a drop? No, I mean like, yeah, drop or something. I hate that. When you got to add a stroke. Oh, when you're hitting it out of bounds. It would be, I would play golf if I didn't have any stroke penalties. Oh, okay. Like if I could take free drops. I would do that. It's fun.

But I really want to keep score. And I don't have the focus to add up nine, nine strokes, seven strokes, nine strokes. Now, as long as you avoid the, the drink, as they call it, you can pretty much play it from anywhere. I think I'm going to play tomorrow. Okay, here we go. Set the over under on what I'll shoot. You don't play golf? No. 18 holes? Is it 18? That's a full course. What if I do nine holes tomorrow? What do you think I shoot on nine? No, I know it's a full course, but I don't know if the charity challenge. It's a pretty tough time to do 18. It's a pretty tough course there at Boris. It's a really tough course. And real deal Holyfield? Nine. Yeah, if you guys were to set an over under on that.

82? On nine holes. Yeah. And are you taking the over or the under? 82 and a half and over. Over? Anybody else? Over.

Over? Read. Under. Wow. Where would you set a cowboy? What's the bet? I'd say 75. Okay.

You're really planning, huh? I might. Just if we have something riding on this thing. Here's the thing. If you swing and it dribbles off the T, like one. No, I know. Okay. I'm fine with that.

I'm fine with a dribbler. I just, I don't want one to dribbling in a lake. And then where you might get in trouble is all the putting. No, putting I'm pretty good. Short game's good ironically. Okay. Everywhere else, not a short game. Well, getting it out of the trap.

Yeah. Trap, fine. Yeah. Yeah. You can't ground your club in the sand trap, by the way. Do you know what that means? You can touch it. Can't touch the sand.

That was implied. Only robots needed that exact sentence. 82 and a half. I'm taking the under on that. Okay, good luck. Any terms? What do you want to bet? I don't know, maybe something that, you know,

maybe a roller coaster in Vegas type bet. Dude, I'm going on the roller coaster. I don't need to lose that bet. Think about it. Okay. You at home, think about it. Hey, I'm hosting a little bit of a live auction good for you.

There last night. Yeah. I'm really worried about not having it, not bringing the energy. Your A game? Because, you know, in this setting, I'm sort of the counterpuncher. Like, I feed off of you. If I were to host this show alone, it would be, it would be very bad.

It's a different deal. I'm glad that. It would be incredibly bad. No, I think you'd be good. Like, if I put you in the chair to do a podcast, like one time, I think it'd be really good. Thanks. But to do it seven times. It might be like in PR more than Greenlight Pot.

Maybe. So I'm kind of worried about, hey, everybody. I got, I got, there's a, there's a technique here. You want to know what it is? Yeah. Alcohol. For them. For me too?

Definitely for you, dude. You were just talking about gin and being nervous. Yeah, we're going to drink gin tonight. But I don't exercise, you know? So I'm still, I'm towing that line where I don't want to. Mortality. Oh, I don't, no, no, no. Checkpoint.

I just don't want to be carrying around all this excess weight. I'm just so, just so you know, if the live auction goes poorly, it's, it's probably on me. Your fault. Yep. You should do your catchphrase tonight. I'll explain that to the kids in Tanzania. No, I was thinking of the other catchphrase. the one we normally start this show with

as you might do right now. Hello! Oh, I can say that, and then everybody will be like, hey. Who we saying hello to? Charleston, South Carolina. That's right, because I got to enjoy Charleston,

South Carolina this weekend. I went down there for a high water festival. I really like Charleston. Charleston is up there for me. I have my bachelor party there. Really enjoy Charleston. The one issue with Charleston is there's a lot of young,

aggressive males in Charleston that you can tell her, or peacocking around looking for some trouble. I'm 37 years old. I don't really look for trouble. But I love everything else about Charleston. Charleston is fucking awesome. I realized that as soon as I was drinking,

whatever I was drinking at Coconut Joe's in the afternoon we were down on Isle of Palm, which is awesome, awesome. I had a senior year beach week there. No shit. Yeah. It's really awesome. I was at Coconut Joe's and I saw a dirt bike on the beach.

and I was like, this is the place. This place has no rules. It's like Sodom and Gomorrah. It's like without the anal sex. It's a biblical. But like, you're laughing. You're laughing to the mic. You're not laughing, make?

Yeah. Well, it's like Sodom and Gamora replaced the anal with like Spanish moss. I love Charleston. As soon as I saw that dirt bike, I was like, this is the Jersey shore of the south without so many rules. Like when I go up to Jersey Shore, like there's a lot of rules.

Like Charleston's like, oh, that's optional here. We're not worried about that. That's where our guy, well, nearby Danny McBride, Virginia and Danny McBride sets up shop. I think Danny McBride sets up shop near there. I get it. I think Bill Murray sets up shop near there. I get it. It is fucking awesome, dude.

What's the name of that tree they like so much in that state? I don't really know. It's on their flag and everything. I got it. I got it. Palmetto. There you go. Palmetto is the palmetto's on the flag,

but the coolest trees are the ones that canopy out really far, and they got the moss dripping off. Those are elite trees. Put that on my elite tree. But yeah, we went down. Most you looking at moss dripping ass tree in South Carolina. So we saw my morning jacket. We saw a few other acts,

and then I had to leave early Sunday morning for a seven-hour board meeting yesterday. So you talk about like a heroic effort. I'll give myself this one. working on three hours sleep two nights in a row four hours sleep two nights in a row and end up but well you know I didn't have my aura ring so I don't know maybe it was like two you know what alcohol does to your to your REM sleep and then woke up and had to get back in town by 11 a.m. for a board meeting didn't get home till 9 p.m. last night so I'm really excited about this pod because we've got great

guests that are going to dominate the show. We'll get there in a second but until then a couple things that popped up. Did you guys see the baseball freak out yesterday? So Anhele Hernandez the umpire was struggling in the Philly Milwaukee game and at the end of the game Kyle Schwerber got

called out and just totally freaked out. I appreciated his freak out because it was completely rational at the time. What would your baseball freak out be? Don't we call him Angel? Don't we call him Angel Hernandez? I went with on hell because I saw an accent mark but i could be wrong i don't okay all right sorry sorry for being myself we're like devil

hernandez yeah right you're the bible theme we got going on here here's what i would do i would um not not slowly but um what's it called uh methodically i would begin to disrobe i would take oh my god naked yes that was one of my that yes like what are y'all going to do here comes my jersey there goes my helmet now my pants a middle age white guy and a jock strap. Yeah, and I'm going to keep going. Go further, dude. Put pine tar all over your body,

start rolling in the infield. Correct. Y'all want to come tackle me? I'm doing angels in the outfield covered in pine tar naked. Yep. Until somebody cuts the broadcast. They probably will have already cut the broadcast.

But they won't want that to happen again. So what they're going to do is they're going to get on hell or Angel Hernandez out of there. And they're going to get somebody who calls 95% accurate, strikes and balls. He's at 85%. That's unacceptable. That's a stain on our game. After your tantrum, Angel Hernandez is going to be saying,

we got two balls, one strike. That's kind of like a male genitalia joke. Got it. That's good. That's good. He actually missed a pitch yesterday that was called a strike that was outside the zone by six and a half inches. Angels can fly, right? I mean, those balls are going fast.

They are going fast, but that's their job. Have you ever done this? That's like the air traffic controller guy being like, but those planes, man. There are just so many. They're coming and going, going and coming. Yeah. Don't they have people flying? It was not all my fault.

But for serious, have you ever stood behind a catcher? I haven't. Yeah, and like coach pitch. And by the end of the game, I was like getting, basically parents were getting on my ass. Like on the plate, off the plate, all right. Okay, left, left right. But top down, that seems like it would be difficult. Top down's tough.

Like I'm standing behind you. There's more movement on baseballs than ever now, I feel like, and at a higher speed than ever. So it's like. Right, where are we calling it when it crosses the plate? Invented. This is exactly why we need robot umpires. This is one place, okay? I'm ready to make this in the interest of the Phillies.

And you know my stance on being anti-robot. I tried to talk to a guy about automation this week, super fucked up on mushrooms. I was talking about automation at the seawall. I was sitting on the seawall. That wasn't super fucked up. But I was sitting on the seawall in Charleston talking to a guy from Indiana named, God damn it, what was his name? I just want to shout this guy out.

We were talking about automation for a while. I am a proponent of automation in Major League Baseball. I will come out as saying so. I think robot umpires would be great. I also think like what you take away there is the umpire's ability to like put some pizzazz and flare on his his ball and strike call. Like that's all about me. That's a me thing, dude.

I like to toss the apple up in there and then shoot it with an arrow. That would be your strike call? Yeah. Strike out. Strike out. Yeah. It's my punch out. No.

But I think robot umpires, I'm ready to, I'm on team robot. here and Elon Musk would be happy with that. He's got robot cars, other robot things, robot fans. Tennis, our best sport, robot umps. Speaking of that, a third protester now in Minneapolis, right? Yeah, 3 and 0. I mean, there was one in Memphis, but they're 3 and 0 with protesters. But our girl didn't get too far. She didn't get too far. Security was on her. And it kind of like, boy, it's funny because I think people would be a lot more mad at. at that tackle if they agreed with the protest like we'd be like that was a little rough you know neutralizing that that chicken fan well i think she just i assume she just wanted to jump like

over glen taylor seat that was the point of it but you gotta know their hawk on your security guard i don't know what the tell was on that woman i think it was i think it was probably two people creeping up near glen taylor seat yeah acting a fool breaking the camera phone out but why do they have those people in that seat anyways like they should be escorted away immediately if those are your seats yeah yeah so i'm wondering what the tell was that it was like a there's like a safety talk to me about uh where you guys land on this protest because i have no idea all right so i was talking to you guys a little bit about this earlier so like i don't like the protest i hate them i think people going on the court at a basketball game is a dangerous precedent that we shouldn't encourage

but because of these protests actually went and researched what they're protesting he's killing chickens matt yes which i agree with like if chickens are diseased they need to be killed in order to not like infest other chickens or in fact other chickens excuse me like a pandemic but what these people are protesting is the method in let matt be dr fouchy these people are protesting the method in which those chickens were slaughtered which is basically they turned off all the air conditioning and heated them to death. Okay, that's fucked. That sounds fucked up.

That's fucked. I'm now team protester. How and how should we be killing them? Humanely. I don't know exactly the route. Like I think something quick, painless. Yeah, I'm down with that. We just don't know what that is.

I think those chickens should be asked to isolate. Along the CDC guidelines, they should isolate. And hopefully they get better? In quarantine. and hopefully it resolves itself, but in the event that it doesn't, maybe they die. Ivermectin. Hydrochloric.

I know that. Take one from the horse barn next door. Snag a few ivermectins. Give these chickens some ivermectin. Chickens kind of spook me out, you know? I wouldn't want to hold a chicken. Yeah, yeah. No thanks.

Same garage. But I also don't want them killed in that way. So I'm actually pulling for I guess Darren Bates would not like this But if I think the protest is just And I think I think the wolves might win the series now Oh

You know throw a bunch of wolves in there Kill all the disease chickens There's not bad synergy They just need to be a little bit more creative With their protests Like glue lady got pulled off immediately The person in the referee shirt Like just got carried off immediately

chain lady didn't seem like she had a great plan spray paint yeah spray paint was good what i would do is literally handcuff myself to one of the basketball players oh how are they going to separate that well the said player would probably fight it off i think pretty yeah it's hard to handcuff somebody trying to handcuff like one of the yokic brothers try to try to handcuff that guy yeah who who's your handcuff target oh it's definitely grayson allen i know he's not on the court i don't I don't know. You probably wouldn't want to target one of the most active players on the court because they probably run away. You wouldn't be able to catch him. I might try to find one of the guys on the bench or sitting at the scores table like Jake Lehman or something. Can you imagine

after the game just hanging out with the player? It's like you both got to go to the drunk tank. Because nobody has the key. Yeah. How do we get the knee the jaws of life to get the handcuff off? Right. They would have to stop the whole game. The corner three guy has to go to the drunk tank. Right, because that's not fair. That's a competitive disadvantage. We've got to wait until the player gets back. We can't finish this thing. Anyways, I'm on Team Chicken, dude.

I'm on Team Chicken. I now stand with, you ready for this? I'm standing with all of them. All the chickens, all the white ladies protesting. I hope the chickens get better. I hope they do too. So they can be slaughtered humanely and we can eat them. We can put them into a salad of some sort.

Well, not we. So that's very unique for me. a pescatarian here. I'm the only one who can really speak on this topic. Yeah. Because I'm not one that actually eats chicken. So I feel like you guys might be a little bit biased. But I do agree with the protesters. And before we get to layup line, did you guys see the Pelicans now, even the series, the Suns, two to two? I did see that. I did see that, Matt. I would love to see a Pelicans fucking, who would be the smallest market on the Eastern Conference side? Because I, I did see, I I want to see the NBA's head explode.

Two years in a row, like, you think you can't get any worse than Phoenix, Milwaukee, and July? Here's New Orleans. Milwaukee. Probably Milwaukee again, yeah. Like, there are mornings I wake up, and I'm like, who won the NBA finals last year? Takes me 30 seconds sometimes. That's not good. Not good.

It was the box. Yeah, I know. Look at Mike, Michael Parsons drop the puck. an icon in this area and he got to wait for the guys but he was ready to drop the puck So Hey, we just saw something off the chain

Who says there's nothing going on outside the draft? Micah Parsons At a minor league hockey game rolling up to center ice To drop the puck And my man Drop the puck That just so you know

Yeah everybody go find the clip That's going to be my energy at the live auction. I'm here. I'm here. There's an auction tonight. But honestly, could I drop a puck.

You could drop a puck. Can I bring a puck? You can bring a puck. And that could be my one laugh. You would laugh. You wouldn't. You wouldn't laugh. I would stand you up so hard there.

Could I plan a laugh or two? I will laugh when you asked me to laugh. Okay. The thing about Michael Parsons is number one, great job, Michael Parsons is Michael Parsons could do anything and I'd be like, that's awesome. Secondly, uh, hockey. Poor explainers of your customs, you know? Like, explain to the kid what dropping the puck is.

What he did is he walked right out and dropped the puck. There were no hockey men standing next to him. Like, you're supposed to drop the puck, and there's supposed to be hockey men standing there. Fake battle for the puck. There were no hockey men. Michael Parsons just drops the puck. There's nobody standing in center eyes.

Micah Parsons has given me cover. No one ever knew it, but I did not know how to hit that bell at the Sixers game. And I was hitting the wrong part of the bell. Do you think somebody told you and you missed it? No, I don't think any. I think they thought it was so self-explanatory a lot like dropping the puck. You know what I mean? Like I was like, where do I hit this fucking thing?

So the Hershey Bears are tweeting an apology to him. We're so sorry for not explaining how a puck drop works. The most Canadian thing ever. And I know it's Hershey, Pennsylvania. And, you know, it's a total hockey thing to say sorry. So you're going to walk out there and drop the puck. Got you. Got you, bro.

Mission accomplished. Mission accomplished, dude. So when we were previewing the playoffs, we thought that, where I think I said that the, net Celtics would be the most competitive series. It has not been. The Celtics are up 3 to 0. Not yet, right?

And Ben Simmons was projected to come back for game four, but now has declared that he has some back soreness and is not currently planning to play in game four, which would mean he would not play for the whole season. So what do you guys' thoughts on where we're at with Ben Simmons, which I know is the topic that's been talked about, but not very much on this pod. They're going to lose a series, right?

Yeah. Okay, can I be a real, like, pragmatist here? I'm not playing Ben Simmons. If I want to get anything out of Ben Simmons, the last thing I want is him going out there and just laying a fucking egg and getting bullied even more. And then next year,

you think he's that, these people think he's the most mentally weak person in the game, but they demand to see him out there playing against maybe the most mentally tough team in the NBA and the Boston Celtics. Like, do you just want to serve them lunch, dude? Like even a casual fan who's on Nets fan. I don't even know who Nets fans are. Who are they?

Got a buddy named Mike. He's a Nets fan. Yeah. Used to root for Keith Van Horn and shit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a Drozhen Petrovich fan. So, okay, those guys, I get it. But how does that happen?

You have to live in New Jersey. Okay. He's from Jersey. So we're the Nets fans now. And what do people care so much about outside the Nets fans? I'm no fan of Ben Simmons, but I also don't give a fuck. Okay, so what about the outfit? What about sitting in the middle of the middle of the fans?

middle of the bench, front row, middle of the bench, in that outfit. It wouldn't have been the outfit I chose. Immediately thought of the soldiers with the clown made. I was like how many are going to be in this reply, and there were dozens, dozens. Yeah, soldiers with the clown. I hadn't seen that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't know why anybody needs to see Ben Simmons out there. If you're the Nets, like, you know this thing wasn't working out this year. Well, you don't know that, but you know you're not at full strength, right? Like, everybody's, you got Kyrie, late in the season, getting to play. you have James Harder, James Harden down in Philly. You have, you have Durant, who's not playing that well right now,

but like Ben Simmons hasn't played a lick. You went out and got him. Like, why would you want to damage your asset? You know, like, why would you want to look like an idiot even more than you already do? All he's going to do out there is pissed on his leg. Like, he's going to go out there and piss on his leg or look bad. I mean, if he's not healthy, then there's no point in playing him.

You're going to lose the series. I think he's plenty healthy. But I agree with everything else. I mean, if you're down 2-1, do you play? I am if they figure hey we're up to one do you throw them out there if you're going to win the series yeah that's not going to win the series though but now you're not also there's a bunch of guys playing that are not healthy right now like joel and bids got a torn ligament in his hand playing through it like if you watch chris paul last night i think he broke his left hand in the game and played the

second half he didn't dribble didn't touch the ball with his left hand so that's some injury news to keep up on but like generally speaking if you like basketball you get want guys that want to be on the floor and he just doesn't seem like he wants to be on the floor i have tried to take tour all as a cure all for many years. But the problem is it doesn't cure the hurt inside. And so like, yeah, but, you know, Joel Embed, he's got a finger. Let's take some anti-inflammatories. Like, you know, Ben Simmons, if he's mentally weak, like, there's no drug for that.

Like, you know, and so there's plenty of mentally weak players that have played professional sports for eons. And we've just fixated on this one guy. because of the Philly market and just how like how promising he was and like he's great defensively right and people have the jump shot like it's the perfect storm like his shot the the mental weakness I just don't care as much as everybody else I don't know I'm like get Ben Simmons off my TV yeah it makes sense it's just like if he put it together mentally he could be one of the five best players in the league and that's the that's the channelizing thing but he's not the first person

And most people who you say that about don't even get there. That's right. And even without shooting or taking a shot, he was still an effective player for Philly last year. Right. And so if he's all about defense, your back's a little sore?

You don't believe his back sore a little bit? Oh, my God, no. But back soreness is the perfect. Yeah, because you can't see back soreness. Yeah. That's the worst when your back actually hurts and they're like, oh, show me. I'm like, I trust fall onto me.

I can't. I can't catch you. I can't move. Back injuries suck. We think he doesn't have a back. I don't like questioning people's injuries, even though if it's like obvious that everybody's doing it. But another thing is a lot of the people that,

that Cape for Ben Simmons on the mental health stuff are now burying him. And I know it's just to bury him if you're to believe that he doesn't really have a back injury. But if you're going to take that side of the argument, then why are we bullying a guy who we think has a mental health issue? I'm like, I just think the whole thing's dumb. like 360 degrees. I'm not fucking worried about Ben Simmons.

And if I was the Nets, I would want to wait a year. I wouldn't want to trot him out game four to get embarrassed and finish the sweep. Like, that's the last thing he would experience before the off season. Maybe they're building towards something. That'd be two straight games

that his team has bounced. Right. In the playoffs. Right. So I don't know about that. And then the other thing is, Kevin Durant, Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley saying like,

you know, like he's not a bus. driver, that sort of thing. I don't know where you are on this, but I think he's a bus driver. I do too. I thought he was the best player on the Warriors. No, it doesn't mean they wouldn't have won without him,

but he was the best player on the Warriors. I can say, and he was the bus driver. Is he the reason they lost in O.K.C.? Like his bus, think about the people on the bus. Me and Matt were talking about this. You've got Kyrie,

who doesn't ride the bus every day. Like, it's a pick and choose when he's on the bus. So, you know, maybe the other best player, is not on the bus some days. Then you've got Ben Simmons in the back

complaining about the bumps in the road, fucking like, you know, like doing TikTok and all types of other shit. You've got Steve Nash, who's GPS. I don't think he has a GPS, right? Like, I know it seems like this was supposed to just happen on paper, but to me as a casual NBA fan,

I think because Kevin Durant had three bad games here, like we're going to tear him down and be prisoners of the moment and say he's not a bus driver, You guys a fucking bus driver. What's missing from his game? Is he afraid of the big moment? Is he not mentally tough?

Is he not incredibly skilled? Is he not one of the best scores in the history of the game? Also, you want to talk about bus drivers? LeBron's a bus driver, great one. His team missed the playoffs. You have a team that's flawed, a roster that structurally doesn't make sense.

That's the same thing that Durant had. Yeah. Like, his roster didn't make sense. It was flawed. Now, of course... Well, the problem with LeBron is he invited everybody on the bus. So did KD.

Katie invited Irving. He invited Nash. Did he invite Ben Simmons to the bus ride? He kicked Harden off the bus. Dropping you off at the Delilahs. This is your stop. Jokes on you. I've already been at Delilah's for weeks.

The KD criticism has gone way too far. He's one of the 10 best players. I don't think Chuck was killing him. I don't think Chuck was killing him. I think Chuck does a really good job at being honest and not killing guys. I think he's one of the best in the business about that. I think Chuck does a really good job of being direct

and actually shooting his opinion out there when most guys are... NBA is good this way. Those guys are kind of good about that. And if you look at Chuck's stats in the playoffs, he really did pop off in the playoffs consistently getting like 25 and 17. Yeah, so Chuck doesn't have a ring

and I've always argued on behalf of Chuck. Not that he needs to be to argue on behalf of him, but like Chuck was a bus driver. He just didn't have the right bus. bus. It just, we was up against Michael Jordan's bus.

Michael Jordan's bus was awesome, dude. It was just him calling people bitches. He was just, Scotty Burrell was getting beat up by three dudes in the back

of the bus. Dennis Rodman had a bunch of strippers and who knows what else on the bus. He's like, hey, bus driver,

what do you think of my gender neutral outfit? He's like, well, talk to me in 2022. There's two different conversations in basketball. To me,

it's like, they're the of basketball who, you know, they're going to be evaluated on some level by rings. You know, like Chuck is kind of like a Dan Marino for me. You know, like I'm not holding that against him that he doesn't have a ring. He's still one of the all-time greats. And then there's guys that, like Steve Kerr can be proud of the rings he won. He had a lot to do with, I mean, he had some big shots down the stretch in those series.

So like, I don't know if they win some of those rings without Steve Kerr. And that has a whole, that's kind of what we're talking about. Who's on the bus? That does matter. It matters for quarterbacks. It matters for these guys, too. And my interpretation of Chuck's comments is that he believes KD was not driving the bus for their titles in San Francisco.

On my buses, they're like three drivers. I believe that they were all driving the bus. Yeah. I think they were all driving the bus. Taking turns. Who was guarding LeBron? Who was going head up with LeBron? It was KD.

Yeah. But Steph's team. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. And I'm a huge Steph Curry fan. Steph Curry doesn't even get enough credit. But Kevin, but that just goes to show you how great Kevin Durant is.

He was the best player on that team. No, I'm with you. So, Steph Curry currently coming off the bench last three games, last four games, actually. Seems to do it with no problem. So I do like that about him. Legend. Legend. Yep.

You guys want to do layup line before we get to less need? Yeah, let's do layup line. Let's do a shuffle before we get in a less need. Maybe I'm amazed, Paul McCartney. Great. It's a live version. Maybe I'm afraid. Should I stay or should I go?

Over when it's over. Eric Church could break up song. It's over when it's over. Ain't it, baby, ain't it? Do people actually listen to songs when they break up? Yes, sir. They do? And we go on drives and we play the same songs on repeat.

Yeah. Hell yeah. Well, you're one person. I'm not sure everybody's doing the same thing. As a married guy, it's such a funny thing for so many years to be like married and you're not thinking about breakups. Like, breakups are awkward. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because the person. How do you adult people deal with that? There's like a division of stuff. Yeah, it gets complicated. I've heard about like, I heard about this guy in Chicago. This was described me as a typical Chicago breakup. Actually, I heard about this this weekend. The guy got the Bears tickets.

The girl got the dog. Like, would I put that on a sheet of paper and sign it and put it on the fridge? Prenuptial. Kind of. So what's up? So what's up with a breakup, man? People really go in the car and drive and listen to break. breakup song. Yeah. What's the best breakup song of all time? Overwin and Silverberg by Eric Church ain't too bad.

I mean, it depends on if you're like happy about the breakup or sad about the breakup. You really? Yeah, no. It's look it as an opportunity. Oh man. We should have talked more during the college years. I know. Well, we did. Yeah. Just more. Yeah, but we did though. I know you don't like breakups. Yeah, I don't. You really sink into them. Oh, yeah. Yep. They're my least favorite part of this existence. You're down there like Steve Bouchemmy? Steve Boucher. Are you sure it wasn't Remy

Malick? Right, that was where we were going. Yeah. Okay, break up songs. All right. May this be love. Jimmy Hendricks. From that.

Yep, you got it. He's in Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd. That's according to you. Gospel of Goro Adachi live, Boxer Rebellion. Damn. This actually slaps,

read. Do you know this one? Oh, don't... I remember Jeep, George Harrison. We're going, I remember Jeep, George Harrison on my end of things. I'm going, should I stay or should I go? The clash. George Harrison.

Fuck off. George Harrison every fucking time, dude. George Harrison is a one seed. Yeah, we're going to less need now. Yeah, fired up. General manager on draft week. Yeah, that's good. Busy man. But we have a mean, he's, yeah, he's doing stuff.

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Celebrate responsibly. Coors Brewing Company Golden, Colorado. One week, two guys that cut me. This is awesome. This is awesome. I have Les and Jeff on and I just cuss them out. Yeah, but they said, hey, here are two Super Bowl rings. Here you go.

Enjoy yourself. And now Les has got his ring. and I'm super happy because I honestly believe this. I always say this on the show is like Les is not only one of the great GMs in the game. He's a great person. The whole family's awesome. So it's great to have less need on,

especially the week of the draft. But it's not like he's really doing much. Well, let's ask him. Les, how you doing, man? We're preparing for the 104th pick. Yes, yes, you are. What does that entail? You know, that that entails like,

let's call it rating a lot of players that aren't going to be there at 104, and then going fishing afterwards. True or false? You're looking to move up into the high 90s. I've heard that many places. You know what? That seems reasonable.

Okay. And if you're going from 104 to the high 90s, it'd be reasonable. Yeah. But maybe we could drop back into the, let's call it one tens. Yeah. That's even a number.

Okay. I want to do an exercise with you. It's a fill in the blank thing. Okay. I'm going to say a sentence. I'm going to omit one word. You have to replace the word. R-rated podcast.

You can use whatever word you want. But hey, Chris, I went to Auburn. I didn't go to Virginia. I'm never good at these things. You have. Well, no, actually. So I have to think about them. There's profanity in there.

You guys will be good. This is suited for an SEC guy. Okay, so war damn eagle. You know what I mean? All right. So we've got blank them picks. Can you say the whole sentence for us? I've never heard you say the whole sentence.

I've seen it on a t-shirt on you, person, but I've never heard. Is this like PG-13? My mom would be disappointed. Let me ask you this, Chris. Would your mom let you say this on a podcast? Fuck yeah, Les. My mom listens to this podcast.

Hi, Mom. You remember Les. Les is going to now say fuck them pigs. I mean, how can I do that to your mom? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know, you don't want any mom. He'd be together in Montana. And now I've said, fuck them picks.

There we go. Yes. There he did. He did it. I've seen it on T-shirts. Yeah. This is great. This is great.

He never says any bad words. He really doesn't. I don't know if I've ever heard him say, but there's one. Like you said, I got to prepare for a bunch of guys that I'm not drafting. How freely can you talk about guys going in top ten? What do you think of them?

Like, edge guys. Like, who do you like? Who do you, you know, who are you kind of like you need to see more on that guy? I've chatted with a couple of GMs and I thought maybe, interestingly,

because we know we're not, we're not, you know, fishing in that pond. we're not swimming in that part of the pool, that I did right evaluate those players during the fall, but haven't really revisited them. So it's interesting.

From 30,000 feet, I'm like, oh, yeah, that guy's really good. Oh, yeah, that guy's really good. We'll never see him. But obviously, when you're picking, right, in that part of the pond, in that part of the pool, you go from not necessarily seeing what they do best, but maybe their kryptonite, what they don't do as well. So you get a little nitpicking when you're picking up there. So it would be interesting, like, which would really be the best way to prepare, right, for those type picks?

But I do know with a lot of the players, really on our draft board, it will be, they're basically in this pool of players like, hey, they're gone. We'll never see it in 104. And it's now best for us to prepare, right, for, because we do have eight picks, and the first one being 104, and the next seven will be on a, on Saturday when no one's covering, you know, watching the draft. Or that's when the college football coaches are up on stage talking about the draft. If Kvon, Thibado felt Thibodeau? Tibido felt a 104. Are you taking them? Yeah, you have to take.

Okay. Chris, I have said this in the draft room, not necessarily with Kvon, but let's use him as an example. If Kvon, Tibado falls to 104, it's a no-brainer, right? The Rams should take it. No question. Now, I have said, as we're turning. in his name, should we be concerned as to what he might have done over the past 24 hours to fall to 104?

I think something might have happened. This is an interesting thing about this year for y'all. Three of four, a five, and three sixes. So I don't know if you guys made a deal with the devil. What's up with the six and the six and the six? You're the first to get the six six. Have you thought about that? Like, y'all make a deal with you sold all your picks to the devil.

And this is the, you paying up now. He gave a Super Bowl trophy. There you got it, dude. Yeah. Exactly. Howie Roseman did something with the devil too. He hired Chris Long. He hired Chris Long, who everybody knows is a glue guy, you know?

You sign me to your team. I tell you how to win a championship, obviously. But you have three. Say it like that's a negative. Like being a glue guy is a negative. It is kind of a fucking glue. Let's open this up. Are you willing to call somebody in your locker room currently a glue guy?

Oh, there? We have a few glue guys. Would you like to talk? ID them. ID them, please. Well, I will, I be probably our unsung poster child glue guy

would be our tied-in Tyler Higby. Oh, Higby, he's a glue guy. When you're an old glue guy, though, there's like an implication that the guy can't run anymore,

which is true. But he also does other things. You know what I mean? So do you have any old glue guys? We lost big wit. He was a glue guy. Yeah, that's awesome.

He was a glue guy. I don't know if you were ever going to replace right big wits. wit. Yeah. So that that was definitely a glue guy. I'm trying to give it an unsound glue guy because I don't want to if I if I named them I'm going to somebody's going to feel left out. Somebody's going to want to go get that guy. You know what I mean? Do you hear about a glue guy? You go get that guy. But you got all these picks in the middle. So I'm looking at this thing and I'm saying you know, COVID plays into the fact that the middle of the draft is like super

stacked this year relative to other years. Is that true like the way you look at it? I do think COVID has played a part in there, right, with the extra class. And so whether it's COVID or whether it just happened to be, right, all the kids who were probably born, you know, in the years around where you either are a sophomore, redshirt, sophomore, junior, senior, fifth year senior, COVID senior, you're all coming out. But it is definitely a thick draft in terms of quality, solid football players. Is that where you find the most value? We do, and what's interesting, Chris, is a lot of our pillars.

And interestingly, was just chatting. He's visiting days, recruiting out here. So we'll be one of your rivals from college days, not necessarily rival, but the new Duke basketball coach, John Shire, was visiting today. He's recruiting in the area. So the point being, I don't know if you're Duke or anti-Dooke. He's a big Duke fan. Anti-Duke.

We're all anti-Dooke in Charlestville. But we were chatting. We're almost opposite in that. our core players, right, our better players are very experienced, whether it's Aaron Donald, whether it's Cooper Cup, whether it's Matthew Stafford, what have you. And then we do use the draft and those compensatory picks and players on their rookie contracts to be the role players.

Like we have to rely on players like that are living through their rookie contract to come in and some start at least contribute things like that. but our core players are very experienced. Where at Duke, they're almost the inverse, right? Their best players are 18-year-olds that show up to Duke whenever and start right trying to bond together and become a team. And their, let's call it their contributors, their role players are the sophomores, juniors, it seems.

For me, it's like, when did you decide, as we said earlier, like, you know, it's like a popular thing now that you guys have popularized. I mean, there's 75% of the teams in the first round have a first round pick. That's the lowest since the 80s. Sounds like a lot to somebody if they didn't know anything about the sport. But this has changed. You guys have been change makers. You know, it's a copycat league, all that stuff.

When did you decide like fuck them picks? Like who helped you along the way to arriving at that conclusion? I don't think it was interesting. I don't think there was ever like a moment where you said, okay, this is what we're going to do. And then we've all, now what we did say is, okay, we're trying to essentially be one of 32. Right. So there is an element where, hey, is, is there different ways to think? Is there, you know, different ways to do things that would maybe give us an edge on the other 31?

We can't just do what they're doing. But I, so I think it really starts, Chris, when you, when you're aware that, all right, we've, we've been building. unfortunately we didn't break through until you left here but again as your coho said right worked out for you you got two super bowl rings you were part of that build yeah right and i do think if we would have stability at qb and if sam you know you know went to have two years or things like that we probably would have broken through and at least right gotten to the playoffs at least one or two years because your side of the ball was playing really really well yeah we were good so that was an anomaly that we do. So once we broke through and we were contending, there's this, all right, do we use a pick

late first round on a rookie, right, who we don't know yet who were just projecting? So I think the first time we did it was when we lost Sammy Watkins in free agency. So I think it was Sean's first year of 2017. We had traded for Sammy and he left us for the chiefs. So, and Sammy brought an element of explosiveness of speed. So in that particular draft, we felt like it was light at receiver, didn't think, you know, there'd be a rookie that could really, really help us, right? Let's take a next step. So we then said, okay, would it be more prudent to use a first round pick, which was late

on, for Brandon Coats? Right. Right. A proven player had already, right, had multiple 1,000-yard seasons with different teams in QBs. And then at that point, that was the first time we did it. We shot some bullets and then we, oh, there's the ship. Ding, ding, ding. And then we shot a few cannonballs in that analogy. But that was in what we what we ended up doing, I remember saying to Sean, okay, let's, let's do an unscientific, unanalytical analysis of that trade. So we trade for Brandon. Let's look and

see who gets picked in that spot. And New England did take Isaiah Wynn, who, you know, is playing for them, but he is an offensive lineman. So point being, would it have been better for us to stay there, pick an offensive lineman, or trade that pick? Based on where we were as a team, in St. Louis, it was different, right? You were there, unfortunately, for some of it, right? Where, holy cow, let's just collect as many picks as possible. Like, see if we can hit own an Aaron Donald, whomever, and build this core, and then see if we can break through from there.

What are the worst rules in drafting players? Because there's like, you mentioned Aaron Donald, I think about a rule, like we have enough de linemen, right? People often point to that pick when you look at a loaded group and somebody's speculating that you add to that group.

Like, that's a rule kind of like running backs. That's a rule. You've drafted Gurley, you know, like you've drafted in. injured players like Cam Acres are running back at an injured injured player and that you know that seemed to have worked out so like what are the rules that you're like I'm not worried about those rules when you have one of those rules you should ask why right and really why is that a rule or why is that a axiom do we understand why and and a lot of times there could be you know it could

be wild and a lot of times like there is reason within it uh in an errandonnell's case there's this element right let's build a balanced team but I do remember remember Coach Fish and I talking about with Aaron Donald, like it's okay to be, let's call it, imbalanced and really heavy toward players who could get after the QB. And you're right, right? We, I mean, we had you, we had Robert Quinn and Kendall Langford were there, is Michael Brockers. Yeah, the whole game. The point game is we add another player there, and especially, let's call it with you and Robert. coming off the edge. There is an element there. It's so imbalanced that the offense does have to

counter react. They have to, hey, are we going to just protect like we normally do? Or are we going to tilt somewhere? And then it does give probably some like one-on-one shots for either you or Robert or Aaron, right, at some point in the game. And now it's up to you guys to make the shot, right, when you do get it. And I do think, right, that that that experiment worked. We definitely became a team that right,

pressured the QB and the 1-1 place. So I think that's, so those are the, but I can easily see why you would say, well, we're strong there, we're weak somewhere else. Let's,

let's just be solid everywhere. And I use that word intentionally solid. Is it better to be like, like unstoppable at DL, but only solid at another position? Or is it better just to be solid? I like having a strength, personally. My question is when you're about to write Robert Quinn down on the card is,

do you say to somebody in the draft room, hey, send a text C Long's way? No. Throw him a call just to say everything's fine. That's a good one, though, because, you know, like, yeah. Because maybe Chris is watching the draft with some friends, and it gets really awkward there for a few minutes when Robert Quinn is drafted by the rams. It got awkward when I saw him turn the hoop on the highlight.

I was like, damn, okay. I was like, oh, he's running sideways. I was like, and then my whole thing was, hey what side does he play and then there was like a long silence between my text message and the text messages i got back is there any like courtesy when the dude the answer is is yes and i think because of cases like that or other cases that become more public i do think it's i do think it's very important right to intentionally communicate with the pillars of your team kind of give them the reason so just reinforce reinforce to chris hey you're not a quarterback yeah you know that it does

take their two two defensive ends do play oh i turned out to be very happy with that arrangement that arrangement don't get picky on what side who's playing i mean i mean you know we can learn to play in the same sandbox i do think that that just elicits collaboration the partnership because at the end of the day hey whether you're in the front office or even the coaching staff that's that's kind of top down but the you know the the players are the most important how about the qb room like because that's a different thing. You said you're not a QB. Like, even if you take somebody late, do you just reach out to your QB and say, hey, this is why we're taking them late. This is the plan. Like Stafford. Somebody you really... I think, yeah, the answer would be yes on that,

but I do think Matthew would be like, well, the seventh. Yeah. But I think maybe, maybe if it's one of those situations like we've seen publicly go through, if you, if you have an older QB and you are thinking about, all right, maybe it's time to draft, right, the air, parent. Right. That's probably a little stickier, tougher. conversation. I do think no matter how the conversation goes, it's better to have the conversation than before and then after him. Okay. Okay. So this is a segue and I'm, I didn't, we didn't set you up here, but you're one of your pillars now, hopefully is Bobby Wagner. Like, how does that happen up in Seattle? And then what's the Bobby Wagner rule with you? There's a Bobby Wagner rule I read about, but I, I didn't,

somebody didn't explain it. Yeah, the Bobby Wagner rule, I think I said it, probably one of those, supposedly intimate settings with your suite holders or stakeholders or ticket holders, but of course it gets out. Basically, they're like, hey, what's one of your, if you can, can you think of one of your worst draft day mistakes? And interesting, so going back, I know you said you had Jeff on the show, and Jeff was a big Bobby Wagner fan. He liked, like, he liked bigger, longer linebackers.

But that particular year, that particular year, that particular year, Bobby didn't go with a combine. And it wasn't because he wasn't uninvited. He had pneumonia and he couldn't go. So analytically, players who don't go to the combine and things like that, and group of five, they will go later in the draft. So at that point in time, I think we ended up picking Janoris Jenkins instead of Bobby Wagner,

but mentioning, hey, we can probably get Bobby Wagner with our next pick. But he goes right in front of us, like a couple picks in front of us. That's when we picked Isaiah P. So the Bobby Wagner rule then goes sometimes, you know what? If you really like a player, just pick the player. Don't try to figure out where the player's going in the draft. Right.

And what happens when you're in that draft room and somebody takes your Bobby Wagner? Like what happens in that war room? Like we don't see it on TV a lot. Usually I don't show the team that was about to pick them is how would they know? But like, take me inside the war room. It can be very emotional similar to a game day, right?

Where all of a sudden you have a turnover. or there's a sudden change and there's an element of, you know, there's, there's an emotional down that you do have to recover and get over. Because if you're, if you were planning to take a plan, now what ends up happening, hopefully you've gone through all the scenarios,

just as you would in a sudden change, you've practiced this, you've planned for this, there is a draft board, right, to be able to react to sudden change in a draft room. But there is, if there's one player that you're really, excited about and you get to be within one to two picks away. And he does go one or two picks in front

of you. There is a, and especially if someone trades up in front of you. Like, then you're like, okay, who in our building has told that team we really like? Because, you know, NFL buildings are very large and people talk and chat. You never, and you're like, wait a minute. That team just came all the way up right in front of us to pick this player. That couldn't have been coincident. How do you control the noise like because that's a big thing there's a lot of people in football buildings it's not like being an NBA draft room uh and then like there's a lot of media interest in the in the draft and you guys do a good job of keeping it tight but what's the gamesmanship like starting like between i don't know teams and you know you've got probably scouts that are friends with scouts and other

teams like what's your elevator pitch to keeping it fucking quiet for people in the building i think that the elevator pitch right is from a military standpoint right try to gather as much information without giving as possible. But again, there's definitely relationships that people have, right, that you do not want to, I mean, that's just, that's part of life. That's, that's, that's, that's, heck, when you retire, those are the relationships are the things you miss the most. So that you got to be realistic that there's going to be relationships. There's going to be people that chat. But I think internally what we like to say is we're very collaborative. We're not as secretive here. So at the end of the day, we're trying to, to win.

So there's a lot of people invited to the inner circle. We trust that you'll keep it within. And it's only going to work out for all of us, right? So we try to do it that way. Is it awkward talking to your friends that are GMs in the months leading up to the draft? Yeah, because it's interesting. It's during this month, us GMs that probably be pretty much grew up in the business in some way rising up from right, starting right in the mail room to getting to here.

but during this month it's kind of taboo to you know it's interesting it's still called like someone that i might have grown up with and now we're talking on the phone and it's like man we sound like adults like we've never talked like this before right you're you're being very guarded and things like that so how about the smoke smokes screams like you guys that's why he's on this show no i know he's going to what are you smoke screening less well really i was trying not to tip that we were going to draft cabon tibodeau yeah there you go that seems good we let that one we did that in the first five minutes okay cave on tibon but maybe that is a smokescreen it can be a smoke screen it's going to be a headline rams will select tibodeau if he falls to one of four we're going to make it a

headline um i've been really interested in this like the interview process stuff that pops up people ask me what they think about this kid and like what do you work out from what i've seen like i haven't been in the room with him so how would i know y'all have been in the room with players you do it every year. How do you approach the interview process? And like, what are the things that you're like, red flag? Nah. Here's what I would say. I think for us, we always, what will probably not work as a ram, if you're a player who doesn't love the game, you're a player, and that love doesn't somehow affect your, you got to prepare, you got to be able to process the game. You've got to be able to see it naturally from a, you know, geometric standpoint.

Those two things, you're probably not going to succeed here. Now, with all, these are young kids. So there is elements of college behavior, normal young people behavior that's not going to get you, let's call it, struck out from here. Maybe those are some flags that we need to dig into research and figure out. But what we have found, right, that no matter how old you are, the younger you are, usually it's, you know, you're less mature. But there is a standard.

If we can just, if the North Star of loving football, and then that love carries over to a conscientious, right, to try to reach their potential, be the best every day, contribute whatever it is, then that North Star will usually, right, get that player where he, get him a 25 where he can rent a car, right? You can't rent a car for a reason. The amygdala is greater than the funnel lobes. So there are going to be, right, some choices, impulses. But at the end of the day, we try to figure out, right, hey, do you love the game? And at that point, does that love? Right. Is there some habits from that love that show that you're conscientious enough to try to, right, do your best, not only at practice, but after hours during meetings, things like that. Because if you're here and you can't process football, it's going to be tough. How hard is it for you not draft SEC players just up and down the board? Because I know you probably want to just draft FCC guys. I play with Bama guys. They're physical.

Play with Auburn guys. They're physical. They love football, kind of like what you talked about. It's also a very physical conference. Like, do you guys factor that in if you pick somebody from a school like that, that like if you played at Bama, you played four years in a league, it feels like, you played in the SEC, you played four years in a league. It's not like playing in the Pact 12 or at times the ACC.

What do you think about like picking players from regions and conferences? Like, do you weigh that in and how much? I don't think it's because it's the SEC that you gravitate toward the SEC. I don't think it's the right, the conference emblem. But I do think when you do. when you turn on the film, right, there is probably, let's call it,

pound for pound better, bigger, stronger, faster football players in their conference than maybe the AC and then the big team. And then it kind of thins out from there. So I think, I don't think it's the emblem. It's just that they've,

you know, that conference, those schools, right, have made football a priority and they've done, right, they've done things to bring

some of the better players there. But like any draft, like each conference, conference, each school, some, I mean, it can be different every year, right? There's, there's SEC caliber or let's call it NFL caliber players, right, playing in the PAC 12. It's just probably less of them. And with that being said, so maybe you get to see, in a Kvon-Tibode instance, maybe you get to see a player at his position in the SEC go up against, you know, let's call it NFL caliber players more often.

But in Kvon's case, right, there are offensive linemen from the PAC 12 that have made it to the NFL. So, I mean, so you can get Kvon against those guys. So I do think there's more NFL. I think the data would say that if we just looked at the numbers. But like everything we do, whether you're at the FCS level group of five, it's on us to figure that out. Two-parter, give you some time to think about this one. Is there another one that got away, a la Bobby Wagner, you were dialed in on him, and he got snaked away from you.

Sean Payton a couple weeks ago said he was locked in on Tom Brady. Well, convenient. So was I. And is there one like that who you'll never forget? And let's say the year's 2008, there's an edge guy out of Virginia, but the word is he can't stay out of the bar. Are you sending guys to Charlottesville, Virginia to post up at the bar to see if this guy's rolling in every night at 10 o'clock. Jeffrey Fitzgerald wasn't a total drunk, dude.

I feel like I would go to Charlott's full and hang out at the bar for no reason. I wouldn't spend anyone there. Why not me? Yeah, I'll go. That's a fun college town. But now I would say in that case, right, that most, I mean, you got to be pretty naive, right, if you don't think college kids, college football players, basketball players, fraternity brothers, what have you, aren't partaking in some version of a college party.

So I don't think that's getting you off the way. And there is probably an element, which is interesting, that if you're actually not partaking in those parties, for some reason that there is a possibility that you could struggle in an NFL locker. Oh, how about yours? Like, the where you play, you're one of a couple cities,

where you play probably affects a little bit how you're driving, you know, because the guy has to be ready for that. Like that's a different challenge than being drafted in St. Louis. You know, Vegas is a different challenge than being drafted in Detroit. So, you know, like, yeah, how do you take that in account? Because if somebody's never seen a bar before, well, buddy, we have all types of things here in L.A.

They don't even call them bars here, nightclubs and shit. That's an interesting calculus formula. win, right? And we will, I think we have a box where, hey, how does, how does this player right manage, let's call it regular college life, party life, things like that? And the formula is a lot of people, right, can manage that and still, right, function and thrive at high levels. But if ever it tilts to where that lifestyle is, is probably hindering someone from thriving. That's where you got to make a gut call. But I think Chris would say, though, I do think if football, I'm sure all sports, right, but NFL in particular, there's so many players in there. And it's so

many, right, ideologies, sociologies, right? Mineologies. And it's such a diverse place, but I do do think people who are, right, differ in eccentric, stand out. They better be confident in their reason to stand out or it's a tough place to, right, collaborate and partner. Personality is a big part of it. It's so interesting because your team has a personality. And everybody you add, although there's 53 people, you can have a guy poison the team. You could have one guy just totally galvanize the team. And it's hard to project because, you know, the pressure is going to be different.

The place you're going to be playing is going to be different. You've drafted kicker or boy. Greg the leg. Did you draft Greg the leg? It was you, right? Yes, he was really, we got to give Coach Fawson some credit, right? The man, dude. I'm a general manager.

What do I know about stickers? But you're giving him. the green light to do it. Yes. It was interesting. I remember that year Blair Walsh was coming out of Georgia, the SEC school. So like you said, the SEC bias is in my, there you go, in my amygdala or frontal lobe somewhere. But there was bias there, but I do remember asking Coach Fossel to, I think he went and did a private on both of those players probably three times. And he kept coming back and saying Greg Deleg, right, like he won the workouts. Now, I don't know if I ever asked him for film or anything like that, but I trusted John.

But we really, really focused on those two kickers. And Greg, every time he would go putting through the test, he nailed it. What is the calculus? Do you use the word calculus formula? What's a calculus formula on the math of drafting a kicker and the value of a kicker? Like, if I had just the best kicker that ever kicked a football, where's that guy getting drafted if you needed a kicker? And you know he's going to be like, where would you draft Adam Venetieri?

Well, I do think, depending on how many picks you have, I do think, and we've seen it, if you knew someone was going to be Adam Venetary, I do think you could easily use a third round pick on that kicker. Like that, and that may be even, because again, if you know, that's the, that's the hard part is because you don't know who's going to become Adam Venetary. But on this podcast, we just, we make up rules. We know this guy's Adam Ventieri, and you're saying maybe. And at that point in time, you could easily say second or third. I don't know if you'd use it. But if you knew that, especially if you had a lot of picks, like if you were a team that had four or five picks in the top 100,

then heck yeah, let's roll. The math works. If your team's good. And if your team's good, you have the luxury to draft a kicker, no question. But GZ, young Greg Zerline, Greg the leg, he's got multiple nicknames. The guy was he was aces for us for a long time. Seabas GZ, Janikowski went round one. You might remember.

I do remember that back in the day. But you're Al Davis like big guys. So what's interesting, Chris, is that year to Johnny Hecker was a college free agent. Yeah. But we were always trying to get Greg as a college free. There was this element of competitiveness like, all right, bones. I can get these two starting kickers as college free agents. But I remember that year there was this run on kickers.

and it was like, hey, hey, Bones, we got to draft this guy. We're not rolling the dice here. You know what I need? So then we get to the seventh round, and we could have drafted Johnny Hecker. But Bones is like, you know what, he's not getting drafted, and we can get him as a CFA. So there was that competitiveness of we're going to get Johnny Hecker as a CFA. So we drafted some linebacker.

I probably could. He was from Hawaii. I don't even think he made it through. August was. Oh, that year? Yeah. So the linebacker from Hawaii. It was hot in our city. But I've joked with Bones, like, however many years later, like, do you know we could have

drafted a Hall of Fame punter? Yeah, dude. So it doesn't even count as a draft. Yeah, and quarterback, too, for many plays in St. Louis. It was really valuable hearing, like, the best coaches and GMs have ever talked to. Always talk about being in concert with each other, like working together. So

I know that's like almost like a marriage sometimes. times probably. You and Sean McVeigh, do you guys go out in the alley and work it out if you have a disagreement or what happens? Because I feel like the best marriages you actually have to talk things out and put things on the table. Do you guys lay things on the table and kind of get into it from time, time? And then how do you determine who has, you know, bangs the gavel and said this is the right pick or the wrong pick? There's times we have a brother, maybe like you and Kyle relationship where our migdalas get gone. But we can do that. because we really, we really do get along very, very well.

So it's interesting, maybe during the season, I'm the frontal lobe, and maybe during the draft time of year, Sean's the frontal lobe. So it depends on when our... Guy loves brains, dude. Can you name another part of the brain less? Those are the only two. He doesn't need to know. It's working.

Who has the better hair, Shaw McVeigh or less need? That's, you know what? That's easy. I'm competitive. That's me. But Sean's got the better facial hair. Oh, no. I give the nod to you on both friends.

You got it, bro. You got it. Oh, his is always right groomed. But it's too groomed. The lines are too straight. Yeah, that's at L.A. You know? Yeah, it's L.A.

He's an L.A. guy now. How about trading in the division? This is one I've always wanted to ask to GM. Devante Parker, Miami trades him earlier this offseason to to New England. It's kind of interesting to me because I think if you don't think

enough of a player and you're trading them in division, aren't you not worried about that guy beating you? What's the real code there? And I always hear I don't trade that guy in conference. Like, I don't want to trade that. Who gives a shit? Like, do you care? I don't know.

Wait, I think you care when you know you're trading a player that could right wound you on game day. So trading him outside the division or outside the conference. Right. So that player doesn't burn you in a division run or let's call it a playoffs. Playoffs, yeah.

But I, so the rule, since we were talking about rules and axioms, I have always said I would be very nervous if, right, Seattle, Sam, Fran, or Arizona called us and offered us a player. I'm like, okay, wait a minute. We play them twice a year. Are they sending him to us or want to send him to us? So it would make you, because there's, again, like, four teams, there's 28 other teams they could call. Somehow they're down to us.

I would be nervous on that. Could be wrong, but that would be an axiom you need to walk through. We could do a show every day this week. I love it. Five part series with last need. What am I doing today? Breaking down the sixth round. Yeah.

How do you know when to give up on a first round pick then how do you know that you won the either or conversation because the first part is self-explanatory but the second part I think about quarterbacks like Jared Gough who I think is a good player it just didn't work out on the tail end for you guys people for a while thought oh

Howie Roseman won Carson Wentz is better you know like it goes back and forth and then two guys end up on different teams and you're like well I don't know like how do you decide one when to give up on a first rounder and then two like how do you

When do you know that like all everything's clear? Like now we know who's the better player out of a comparison we were making. I don't know if you ever really know, but I think time does tell and probably like all scoreboards, it may be changes, right, based on the ebbs and flows of what's going on in that particular moment. But we've always tried to look at like,

how can we do a win-win? And Jared and Matthews, right now a lot of times it's like, oh, why would the lions give up Matthew Stafford? But really it was Matthew going to them and say he would like to be. traded and not. So they were put in a bond. And I think the lions made the best of it, right? Right. Where they were able to get two first rounders from us, a third rounder, plus Jared golf and figure out, right, they have a champion. Now they didn't have a hole at QB.

Everybody wins. So, but they were in the building phase and we were kind of in the contending phase. Hey, maybe, maybe because we won the Super Bowl, maybe in this moment, people say the Rams won the trade, but let's say that the lions build a team and, you know, six years from now, their contenders, did they win the trade? So I think the scoreboard is going to change, right, through it all, ebbs and flows. And maybe the only way to truly, right, break the tie is, is, okay, does someone have three Super Bowl trophies and some might have two, I guess? You know what I mean?

That would be the tie tie tie breaker, triple overtime penalty kick way of, Yeah, you make a great point, though. You know, everybody's situation is different, and that factors into everything you do with it. You know what I love? I've just noticed. What? That's big William behind me.

I got William Hayes over my right shoulder, dude. Come on now. You know, he flakes on me every time I try to get a family vacation with him, so I might as well just put him over my right shoulder at the studio there. He's looking. He's got a look. He's got a look. He's speaking right now, but.

I don't know what he's thinking, but the story Jeff Fisher told last week about him getting hit in the head by a football. and getting concussion in Tennessee. You've never heard it, you should ask, Jeff. That's the same look he gave when he got him by football. So, hey, Les Needs, got stuff to do. He's been very gracious with his time. And, hey, congrats on all the success, dude.

We don't talk enough. But you're one of the people that when I see the Rams when a Super Bowl, the first person I'm thinking about, or one of the first after Aaron Donald is less need. So I appreciate you, ma'am. That means a lot. Coming from me with special. And I would say, in a centrist,

you open this story talking about Jeff and I cut you in that. I often said, would break, doing that, that's the hardest thing you ever do as a GM. Yeah. You never want to make that call, but you have to do it. Same with head coaches. But I mentioned probably on a podcast similar to that I do think that, right, if you've communicated, if you build a relationship that in moments like this, right, those days are forgotten, and it's the relationships that count.

So going back, long story short is when we do that with you and even James Blair nice, just too. Same day. Get them done the same day. It's really cool, though. Unfortunately for James, he didn't get. Yeah. Not even one trophy, but when you went on and said, you know what?

That's awesome. If anyone deserves leaving a team trying to get there, but not there yet, and actually cashing in Super Bowl, it's definitely you. Because guess what? You were a glue guy, but you're also very, very good. Yeah, I appreciate that, man. And y'all were chill about it, too. Fish called and he made it chill.

We were off the phone in five minutes. Very nice team to get cut by. Like, and as you mentioned, if you have a relationship with the guys, not only is that process going to be okay, they were always up front with me, but then on the back end, you know, less was at my house for dinner later that summer. So, yeah. You might not make the Christmas card list the first couple of years. There's no Christmas card just so you know. But hey, we've made the long Christmas card list and it is an awesome Christmas card. Pretty fucking awesome. Unbelievable. The whole entire family, your dad, your mother, too. You're little ones. And that's my wife, Carol loves you. Yeah. Tell Carol we said hi and tell Tate we said hi too.

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with Les Need. He's a good person. You know, I'm into these gin and sodas. Are you really? With a little, you know, throw in a little juice. That's your drink? Yeah.

These days? I went back again the other day. Jen's good, dude. Love Jen. I think tonight at the Water Boys Charity Challenge that we mentioned earlier. I think our tonight is going to, I'm going to drink a lot of gin tonight. I just decided. You want to be on a gin only program?

Well, I got to perform. I know. We talked about that. Yeah. So probably not. But alcohol to brain function, less need who's got a highly functioning brain, knows two parts of the brain like really well. How many other parts can we name?

We've been going through it. You want to go one for one? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Is amygdala still on the board? It's off the board. Okay. Of the brain, we're talking the brain.

Not like the whole head or skull or anything. Are you looking up brain stuff? No, I'm ordering grubhub. Okay. Cerebellum. Brain stem. Okay. You can't have a brain without the brain stem, dude.

It's the most important part of the brain. It's like the roots of a tree. Could I say brain? No. Cerebrum Hippocampus All right We need a ruling on this

Yeah hippocampus is a complex brain structure Embedded deep in the temporal left You're looking up brain stuff No I just googled it All right but you got a typical You got a diagram of the brain Dude he's wrong He's smirking at me

Hippocampus is a part of the brain Kingston by the way Kingston yeah And then you're accusing me of looking up Just for defending myself Could you put the brain down? Could you put the brain down? Look at my fucking Google history here

Less Sneed What is? Angel Hernandez does NFL draft order. What is huge vagina? Okay, come on now. You're right. Hippocampus is part of it.

It wasn't on my graphic here. It makes you up. Yeah, you got a brain graphic. He's got a left brain. Come on. Right brain. There you go. All right.

Brain stem. Taken. Okay. Temporal lobe. Temporal lobe. I said that. We got temporal lobes there. Okay.

Aorta is in the heart. Yep. Facts. And you know, the pituitary gland is really close to the brain. I feel like the pituitary. is the pituitary gland is in the vein is in the brain sorry yeah might be in the vein

if you ask Matt and Macon brain brain I'm supposed to be the guy with a bunch of fucking tau protein surrounding my brain looks like things are going pretty good here ventricles are ventricles that's in the heart I'm pretty sure a brain has ventricles

but okay I'll try to take us something else because you have a lot of legs to stand on to be a wise ass right now you're losing this contest and you have a college degree Got more legs to stand on than you. He's putting his hand out. I don't get it. Oh, that means like stay down short.

You know? Oh, yeah, you're tall. You're tall. Brain, brain. I'm out of brain stuff. I think. Well, I want to say one thing to win. Brain matter.

Brain matter. I don't think that counts. Okay. Hit us with some brain things. No, no, hold on. Give us 10 seconds. I'm going to give us 10 seconds to pop into the reserves. Okay.

Typically, I would have cheated on an assignment like this. No, thank you for not cheating, dude. I'm not cheating either. Let's think. Oh, there's an excuse. What are the buttons? Play FIFA every weekend in our 20s.

Every time we'd sit down, I don't remember the buttons. Well, we would take months off. You would play football for nine months. I forgot the buttons. Othalamus. Oh, and the hypothalamus. It's a little late.

That doesn't count for you. Perietal lobe. Temporal lobe. Ponds. Pons? They're pons in the brain? Pons. Pons.

Pons. Mons Verna. Mon's Venus. Lakes. Yeah, okay. Neurons. Neurons, good. It's not a part of the brain.

It's not a part of the brain. Tissue. Oh, I guess tissue is fucking, yeah. Guys. Stuff. Anyways. Oh, oh, oh. Cells.

Okay. So, Makin, I want you to rest your brain for a second. Matt, Reed, let's talk about this week. Can't Make it to Vegas. Megan's got a sling MLS. We don't have a real job. so we're going to go to Vegas we'll fall on that sword

I will fall on that sword I will go to Las Vegas and get drunk for two days and cover the draft I will do that for this company if I have to I will visit

most of the dispensaries in Las Vegas and buy as much weed as I can and bring it back on the private plane if I have to if I need to

I will go to Planet 13 and spend three hours in there and like come back in disguise with a mustache on and say like oh i have a thousand dollars to spend because some of you don't know this but like when you go into dispensary they're like cap like you can't

you can't buy more than what a couple ounces or something which is funny how they're like i have candy i have cartridges i have like and they calculate it's why that's why you need a uh sober buddy taylor's going to come to the dispensary with me and be my mule that's great shout out to clinn eastwood Although I think we might be going there for reasons other than getting really drunk and smoking. Yeah. And a word from our sponsors who we love, we're going to be at the win. The greatest hotel known to man. The greatest casino known to man.

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Hey, win. Watch out for this guy. He's a real fucking poker player. But we're going to be doing multiple live watches of the draft. We're going to be doing live watches. Read, what time are the live watches? Where can people find them? They're going to be sponsored by Coors Light. We're going to be breaking down the draft. I know exactly what's happened in the draft, one through time. I'm going to release my mock draft minutes before the draft so nobody can plagiarize. Reed, what are we doing? We're going to be live streaming the NFL draft. We're going to be in Vegas. We'll be doing round one on

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What do you think about when you think about Trent Brown? Offensive line. There's a gentleman coming on. It was a very interesting tattoo. We didn't get to ask him about it, though. Have you seen the tattoo? You haven't seen Trent Brown's tattoo? Well, probably. It doesn't. Will you put it up on the big screen for Macon, please?

So that's a guy in a football helmet. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. And, uh, all right, so is that a blow job? Yeah. He's getting a blowjob? Yeah, from Miss number 77. I guess I kind of was, was fixated on the fact that the guy had his football helmet on while he was naked, and I never, I never focused on the sex act.

Now, he's talked about this on part of my take. That's a blow job, yeah? Yeah. She's just over there kissing his hip. Thanks. Thanks for that. And what's on the bicep? Is that an area code of some sort?

That's one of the greatest tattoos of all time. And since Trent doesn't wear sleeves, this tattoo is visible all 17 games of the NFL season. What did he say? I'm part of my take. If he, what happens, she'll get a third.

If D.K. Metcalf comes to New England, he'll get a third girl added to the tattoo. I should, I should ask them what would happen if Debo Samuel came to New England. A whole lot of girls, an arm orgy. 19 girls for 19 problems, which is Debo's Twitter handle. Which will be deactivated tomorrow. Really?

You said that? No, after Elon Musk buys Twitter. Yeah, that's true. That would be great if Elon Musk would shut down Twitter. All right, so I've got Trent Brown. Is Trent Brown the largest guest we've ever had on the show? Good question. No, Shaq.

Big show. Shaq's bigger. Shack's bigger. Shack's taller. I think Shaq might be bigger, too. What do you think Shaq comes, tips to scale? 360. Oh, I think Shaq's closer to three bills.

Think about all that vertical he's got to work with. Wiki's got Shaq is 7-1-324. He ain't a 324 player. No offense to Shaq. I'm not saying he's big. I mean, he's just a big man. Here's Trent Brown. That's him walking in.

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when you get to the sideline and coach asks you what happened, I just give you palms up on because this motherfucker. Hey, dude. Setting an edge. So, like, explain trying to set an edge on Trent. So on Trent, like, it's not like he's hinge blocking me. He's coming out and trying to carve me out of that B gap. In the run game.

Yeah, in the run game. And I've got to get my hands inside and pray to God. I mean, there's two situations I've ever been in football. It was setting an edge on Trent Brown where I just was like, no, I can't do this. And then it was tackle over. It was Leonard Davis. tackle over.

Big. Yeah, it was a problem. Big, Big Trent, what's up, man? What's happening? Fellas, how you are you? Dude, it is great to see you. I was just,

congrats on your success. You're one of my favorite guys to watch. And I'm just, I'm jacked up. You're back in New England, man. It seems like you're happy there. Are you excited? I'm really excited.

I am. That's awesome, dude. That's awesome. Hit us with, like, what makes New England, like, it seems like maybe your favorite spot. I mean, like, that you've played because you guys do this.

a lot. They leave and then come back. What's up with that? I'm sure both you guys know, like, around the league and in this business, it's just a lot of bullshit. You know what I mean? Just as far as how day-to-day things go get run and how people handle business and how things just a lot of over and under the table stuff going on behind your backs. And I think a lot of stuff in the Wheeling as far as like when it comes to you personally, you'll know where you stand daily. And so that's a lot of, just from how I grew up, that's just one of the things I can respect and I just, I appreciate

the way they conduct business. A lot of places allow personal feelings to interfere with the business and that doesn't happen much here. I don't think. No, Bill will shoot you straight, dude. Like, you'll know exactly where you stand with Bill. And you'll know exactly where you stand with Bill on Monday morning. Exactly. So tell us about these team meetings. I try to tell our listeners about these things and anybody can get it in these team meetings. Is that right? And that's another thing. Like, nobody is above or bigger than the team. I mean, like, my first time here back in 18,

and you hear Tom Brady gets his ass ripped just like a practice guy. I can get his ass ripped, you know what I mean? So that's just one of the things I can respect about it. How about SCAR? Because you got to play for SCAR for, what, a year? He's an all-time great-o line coach. What made him so great? Again, shoot you straight, and he's going to coach you hard.

That's what I was raised up. Growing up, so growing up, my dad was my coach a lot of the time. So I've heard the words from my dad. So nothing anybody else says can really, you know what I mean, frustrate me or get under my skin. It's just I take it to all this challenges. And you got to just accept the challenges along the way. And that's the only way you're going to be great.

My dad told me a long time ago, like 25 years ago. If the coach ain't talking to you, that's when you need to be worried. If they're on your ass every day, that means they see something in you. And that's probably, I was talking to Joe Tuny, your old teammate. He was with me in Kansas City last year and great guy, great football player. But I asked him, I said, TV is coming on. And he was like, 7-7, exclamation, exclamation.

And he was like, ask him about SCAR in 2018 when he first got to the league, what that was like, what buttons did he press with you to get you going? I think kind of like early on, Scar kind of, you know what I mean? He was on me, but he was just really trying to get me to bring me alone with the playbook and all that stuff. And then the first game, we played against the Texans. I had a pretty decent showing of that was my first start.

Well, I'll let my third start at left tackle throughout my career. And in that second week, we played Jacksonville, and I played shitty. And he ripped my ass on the sideline. And then next week at practice Wednesday, he was like,

he told me, you ain't did shit. And it just went on from there. And then the challenge accepted. I went on to play my best ball. Was that the game down in Jacksonville? Yeah. Yeah, and that was one of those games. Always going to show you with New England,

like the team you see the first month is not the team you see at the end of the year. Because I remember that game because you're like, oh man, Jacksonville's real again, like, and New England's wounded and all that. And it just, I remember getting to New England and hearing like football season starts after, I don't know, it was Halloween or Thanksgiving. I always mix whichever, but I was ready early. I was ready at Halloween, coach. But it was one of the two.

And that's the thing is like the team. always changing. The offense, the defense is changing. And that's one thing about New England is everybody thinks they're so set in their ways, but they're actually, you guys adapt really well. Yeah. So tell me about Mac Jones, man. Like, is it true? Mac Jones doesn't have a cell phone or something like that during the week leading up to the game? Like, who do you think's more plugged in with pop culture? I think it might be Tom Brady. Tom Brady or Mac Jones. Who do you think knows more about pop culture. I think

Tom definitely is more hip to pop culture, but I mean I didn't even, this is news to me. I didn't know Matt didn't have a phone. Yeah, dude, they say Matt. Do you ever text him for like, there you go? Let's do dinner. Hey, let's do dinner. Try it on a Wednesday. Text Matt Jones.

Shoot him and text. Let's go play some golf. Mac, what's up? Because the rumor is that Mac Jones puts his phone down all week. Like he doesn't have a phone Monday through Friday. Which is nuts. Yeah, which is crazy. It actually sounds great. What do you see from him in the huddle? I mean, he's locked in.

I don't think anything that you hear about him or anything that may come off is like, I don't know. I don't think it really comes at surprise just because this is kind of like routine for him. He came from Bama. So it's kind of. He's like a Madden player. Well, all the Bama guys, like they played in a pro. Yeah.

He played in a pro building. Right. So I think, I think, well, outside of the phone, like, Mac has been great since day one. Like, I remember, and I hate to say this because I like to, you know what I mean, let him be him, be who he is. But like when he got drafted and you see him walking from the green room in his suit and stuff, like him and Tom kind of walk alike.

Yeah. Like everything. So it was like, whoa. And then he gets here. You see him as a young guy. You see him making some of the throws that is making like day one. You see him like, whoa. Yeah.

It's funny. You mentioned the walk. the draft because when my dad and I were watching, my dad texted when he said, that kid means business. That's what he said. And it's not like he's going to walk and enjoy the whoopty whoop and the cameras and the IG tags and the post. He is getting drafted. He's finding out where he's going. He's going to smile and he's going to go. That's a Hall of Fame or selling insurance walk. Yes. Yes. There's no fucking in between. Like it's one of the two. That guy means business. This man means business. So you mean business for the Patriots. You've been recruiting

Devo. Man, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get them here. I don't know if it's going to work, but a man can dream, though, right? What did you say? You said it's not that cold here? Yeah, it's not that cold. I agree with you. Okay, I'm calling bullshit here, and I got two. And I totally get it.

Like, you got to pull out all the stops for that guy. He's amazing. But these two guys here, I got Kyle Long here, long time Chicago Bear, and then I've got Trent Brown here, who's played in New England, does not wear sleeves. He said, under no circumstance. Is that right? because we heard you on part of my take you went on PMT with my guys

he said no sleeves so what is the colder city because up in Boston they take a lot of pride in it being too cold like they love practicing outside they're tough mentally Chicago the windy city or New England I would say just based on our practice facility

Trent because we did joint practice up there with in 2015 I did joint practice at New England you guys have the little jaunt up the stairs to the practice field and that's it It's like door practice field. That walk sucks, dude. The one in Chicago.

Bro, Trent, you have to walk across two farms to get to the indoor if there is a tornado. And otherwise, you walk past the indoor and you practice outside in the cold. I would have walked to fucking Providence to practice in the indoor. I think Chicago is colder. And I think the whole division as a whole is colder. Yes. Obviously. Because they play in Miami.

You guys go to Miami, Trent. But I mean, we got the Jets and Buffalo that playoff. Freaking cold. You guys got Minnesota. Yeah, you're inside. You have to keep in mind, my memory is from when I was playing, we were playing at the Minnesota Golden Gopher Stadium. That was so cold out there.

While they were building this UFO spaceship type thing. So it was cold as shit, okay? Like I was out there trying to block Brian Robeson in week 19, week 18. KG. Week 18, we were 3 and 13 or something. Okay, it's like 7 degrees. And I just, I have like a torn shoulder. I'm like, bro, I want to go home.

Those are the games you give up sacks and you look at in the offseason and it's like, fuck, I wish I would have been a little tougher. Are you blaming your sacks on cold weather? I will. I'll be that guy. Trent Brown would never do that. And I wore sleeves, Trent. Did you ever wear sleeves?

I never wore sleeves. Okay, I got a lot of shit for this in Chicago too. Okay, so Trent's got a leg up on you there. kind of like so my my rookie year you know I was in the room with Joe Staley so and I think our first cold game was Chicago and it was freezing. Yeah. I wouldn't even plan then. So I just had to tough it out on the sideline, no sleeves. But I just kind of took that mentality.

And once you get rolling, like you don't really feel it. You know what I mean? And then when it's cold, I try not to drink water either. I want to spill it on my any cold win or any drafts no socks either you ever think about

wearing thermal socks or just any socks so I think a FC championship game in 2018 2019 I did I did wear thermal socks

in Kansas City yeah it was freezing D4 jumped off sides that game and that was like the biggest like scariest like for a D Lyman to watch that

I was like damn dude that's my worst fucking nightmare how about that memory? like was D off sides bad? Do you remember what his reaction was? Did you know before the snap?

I didn't. I didn't even pay attention to it because it was solid count. You know how loud of it is there. It was a game too. So I was literally. You're eyeing up the center too. I'm trying to catch the ball and flag. I'm like, because without that, it was a pick.

And they would have been going to the football instead of us. That's just insane. That play is such a big swing in football history. A lot of people line off. sides too. A lot of fucking, hold on, a lot of technical. A lot of interior de linemen. Hold on, Chris. No, no, no, no. You hold on. You're outside. De linemen are lining up consistently outside. I will cut the audio on this podcast. I will cut the fucking audio on this podcast. You see those machines back there? A lot of machines. My machine. I love it. I love it. Y'all

like me and my brother. Tread, but you guys are off sides a lot. You guys are, you, you know you guys cheat back. I don't think so. Oh, God. Damn. We line up foot to foot. You guys are good soldiers. You're good soldiers. Good soldiers. Okay, but when it gets cold, tell me this, Trent. Who slows down? Like, do you like a cold game because the fast guys are going to slow down?

Or do you hate being out there because you got bigger bodies? It's hard to warm up. I don't know. Because I feel like I have an advantage in the cold because I don't actually slow down in the cold. I'm just not that fast anyways. You know what I mean? But what do you think about the cold, Trent, when you play? I don't approach a cold game any different than I would a regular.

It's nice being. That's an assassin mentality. That's some samurai shit. It's really all about like, after you get out there in warm-ups and then it's like, nah, it ain't that cold. Now one, that's, like I said, the FC championship was the only game that I did put on the warm-skinned shit.

And I went out for a warm-ups and that shit was freezing on my arms. The warm skin was freezing? Yeah, like it was, I felt it's cracking on my arms. That's like for people at home, it's like Vaseline that they heat you up. and for that to crack it's unheard of in the Buffalo game this year was insane right

same the ground was froze felt like concrete yeah because they don't have a heat of field oh no all right so tell me about that because von Miller's coming and Von Miller gave you the biggest compliment like when he shouted you out and I thought that was really cool because

you know like you're that you're like one of those dudes now dude like and I think it's really great and Vaughn now he's in division and he complimented your game. I know he's a bear to block. So tell me what it's like. When you're in free agency first, like looking around the

division, do you look at like who's in division and who you'd have to block? I mean, it's probably the same answer as the cold weather. I mean, I don't really care about all that. Honestly, I was just good. He's too good. He's a fucking killer. I was free agent. I've been

a free agent twice now. Yeah. The first time I went to, I was going into free agency, I was really just I mean, I was the seven rounds. So, and I got, my first three years were in California, Bay Area, so I didn't make any money, really. So I was really just, I think, I think I was more, it was like the storyline, like a seven-round draft pick, had my son, week of the Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl, become the highest paid. I thought like that whole, like, little timeline was just like perfect to fall in line with the

greatest underdog story. And then this second time around, I wasn't. really concerned with chasing the bag just because I saw what they got me, you know? And I think I'd rather win and not be the highest pay. Because like I said, in other interviews, like that's shortly of anyway, you can be the highest pay today and tomorrow or next week, a month from now, somebody else is the highest paid, which is a great thing for us, for us all. But I think that made me mature more in the fact that I look for more of the right things

in free agency. and that's about being comfortable, being happy, and winning. That's such a mature answer. I mean, he's not 30 quite yet. But, like, my man is, yeah, he's big vet vibes right now. I love this. I love this from Trevor out. He is an OG TV.

He is an OG already, dude. So, all right, like, talk to me about blocking Vaughn and, you know, like, maybe not just about Vaughn. Like, who are the guys that you really respect the most around the league? Maybe some guys that don't get enough credit where we know who Vaughn is, but maybe some other guys. Yeah, Vaughn is Vaughn. I think, I think, me personally, I think Vaughn is the best pass rusher in the league. I think a guy that doesn't really get the respect he deserves. I think he's been injured a couple times the last couple of seasons,

but I think DeMille Hunter is amazing. Him and Zedarius, who I don't think gets enough respect somehow on the same team. I think Zadarius is unorthodox in the way he plays, but he's good and run and pass. Yeah. What do you think about Nick Bosa? You didn't get to play with him, obviously. but he's in the Bay Area. I mean, I think he's special.

I think him and his brother both are special. And I think it's crazy how they have similar playing styles, but they're so different. Queen is still, he's still rolling. Can you believe that, dude? I saw Robert Quinn go for 19 in St. Louis on a losing team. In what year? In 2013.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, dude, like a decade ago. And then he damn near both the sack record again. Right. Like, I mean, I don't know. And it's no sign of slowing down. That's the scary part about it. I had back surgery in between the whole thing.

So, hey, let me ask you this. Are O-line coaches or D-line coaches bigger assholes? I think O-line coaches are bigger assholes. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think D-line coaches have to deal with so many different types of personalities and edgy guys. They can't be the alpha. They have to be like, hey, I understand my position in this room.

I'm not going to try to disrespect you, but this is what we need to work on. Whereas O-line coach is like, hey, motherfucker, that's your seat right there. That's your seat right there. They really are militant, bro. Like, I played for Andy Heck last year, who was a tremendous offensive line coach,

and he is militant in his approach. Now, I've had other great coaches. Aaron Kromer was not militant. He was, like, more relaxed, but he was still a, hey, motherfucker, like this is how we do it. I feel like D-Line coaches let you kind of vibe on your own thing. At the end of the day, I feel like,

offense is just so, the offense line position is just so much more methodical than D-line. I think D-line, you kind of, like, you're kind of who you are. At that position, you get the, I mean, at the end of the day, if all that's failed, see-ball, get ball. It's, and of course you got lined up properly and all that stuff, but office-aline, you got assignments, you got different looks. If we're going to block it this way, they line up like this, and it's just, you know what I mean, it's so much more into it that I think,

coach has to be like that. And there's more stuff to fuck up, as you said. Well, it's an engine and moving parts. To mess up and have a mental error. When I was in New England, I got a taste of what it was like to be on an O line because that's how much you think on the D-line in New England. Now, the scheme's probably changing a little bit. And this year, I have a feeling it's going to change.

But there's a lot of variables. Like, you can get to the line and high could be like, I used to yell at high. What's the call? What's the call? Like turning my head behind me panicking because there'd be so many fucking variables in that defense. It's one of the few like it anymore, but you're right. Like most of the defenses I played in was like getting that nine,

you know which side's the hot side, you know, which side's the balance upside, and let's go get it. And that's kind of the mentality. Why do you all wear those dumb boss shark? They're not cleats. They're like fucking molded. How do you plant your feet in the ground with those? What are you doing?

What are you all doing? I don't wear those. Okay. You wear the sexy cleats, huh? I'm an athlete. He wears Jordans. He wears Jordans or something? I resent that fuck.

I resent that fucking company. What kind of boats is he wearing? I wear the Cody Leaks, but I can't wear the, what is the boss? Sharks. Get that shit out of here. The rock bottoms. Like I got to have spikes. Yeah, dude, and you got to have swag.

Those things are weak. No offense. All right. So there's another O-Lyman. Speaking of guys coming out in the draft, you're the biggest guy currently in the NFL. That could change soon. There's a Minnesota kiddie 6-9-380. Like, what, what do you think?

you had advice for that kid, like, because you, somebody here's 6-8, 6.6.9. Some people think, like, the leverage isn't going to be there. Like, maybe it won't work, et cetera, et cetera. I think, like, to go along with your kind of underdog thing is, like, it's hard to be that big and be great in the NFL in a lot of ways. With all the leverage rushes and that sort of thing, what's that kid going to struggle with that maybe he's not thinking about what advice would you give him? Well, first and foremost, I, whatever you feel comfortable playing that, weight-wise, and you can sustain and be healthy. go forward. You know what I mean? I think early on in my career,

me being the seventh round, I felt like I had to, like, fall. I felt to a lot of pressure because of my weight. Like, I wasn't really able to perform like I would like to just because day and day out, I'm in a son of killing myself trying to make my weight. You know what I mean? Like, when you're naturally a big person, you know what I mean? It's not really easy to drop 15 pounds for a weight type of shit. you know what I mean? I wouldn't say 15 pounds, but I mean he's 380. They're going to try to make him get to like 365 at least. And I can promise you that. But like I told McCaugh-Bacon a couple years ago, right. Like, play your game, bro. You know what I mean? If it if it works for you, it works for you.

If it's not working for you, of course you've got to change it up. But if it's worked for you thus far, I don't see why I change it. I don't think people who aren't big understand what it means to just be naturally. big like it's just it's different like I can you could you could probably I can sit on my ass and do nothing and be 370 you know what I'm saying yeah I mean I just I just wouldn't I wouldn't fall to the pressure of weight

I put performance first and just try to maintain where you are and just ball out yeah it's true because in the old NFL especially when people were really hardcore on way ends like dudes would be in the sauna with the with the sweatshirts like it's like a bad, it's a bad deal. It's not healthy. And like to your point, I remember coach is

messing with my weight. I had a coach late in my career who was like, you should drop your weight and get under 260 because that's what, you know, like some other players I played or coached, did because you lose speed, right, as you get older. So they try to get you lighter as if that's going to make you faster. But guess what? If I'm 33 and 255, I'm not any fucking faster, I'm just weaker. And setting an edge is tougher. And setting an edge is tougher. I don't want to see this guy, dude like out there oh yeah I dropped 10 pounds how cute is that Orlando Brown I'm still not running around him so what the fuck is the point Orlando Brown came to the chiefs and he switched from right tackle to left tackle Ravens to Chiefs and great dude by the way very hard worker loves his

craft like I'm sure you do to watch him have the freedom with his weight to be like hey as long as you can run as long as you can feel good we're gonna run a lot so just keep that in mind Orlando found that sweet spot and he's been grooving with it and he's He feels great. He's going to stay the same. And to your point, do your thing, be you. Don't let somebody try to take you out of your strengths, because that's a strength of yours. You're imagining you. Yeah, dude, like that's kind of a fucking cool thing that separates you. That's your X-Men power. Yeah. Do you win those races up the hill against Shaq Mason? Well, Shaq's down in Tampa now, but you know those races up the hill?

Yeah. I mean, Shaq is a freak athlete in his own right. I mean, I think he ran like a 4-8. I just remember sitting there every time and Bill would be at the top of the top of the the hill and Shaq would win every time and he'd be like, Shaq by a nose. Like that was like his favorite dude to sidebed or something. Yeah. Like I mean, I think the group here. Yeah. And it's kind of surprised me when I got here because I mean, for me to be my side, I think I moved pretty good. Yeah. I mean, I ran a 5-1 at 350. But when I got here, everybody was pretty much rolling in the room. Yeah. I want a few races, but not against that.

But Joe, DA, you know, Joe was there. You know, like I forget who the other tackle was. I mean, Marcus Cannon wasn't a burner. And Le Adrian's not a burner, but a lot of fast guys. It's funny. He said he ran a 5-1. I ran a 5-1 last year when I was fucking around to do. Bro, I ran a 5-1 at 250 last year, two years or three years out of football.

He did it at 350. Freaking nature. Okay. I want to ask you about you, first two stops real quick one thing from each man and they're big their big stories that i think are important like number one you know like you were in Vegas gruden a lot came up with him over the last year he said some things that were awful and you know he was held accountable for for those things like how did you feel when that came out because you know like you you were around him

every day in a weird way i wasn't really surprised but i i don't think around the team he says any of that type of stuff, which I mean, of course he wouldn't. Of course, because you had heard about it before, but I wasn't really surprised. You know what I mean? It was a shock, but it wasn't. Like, you can never be shocked. People don't just walk in and announce they think that way. Right.

So it's like, of course you're going to catch him up. Yeah, you're caught up. And you're going to find out that way. He's not going to walk into a room full of people. Like, he's not going to walk up to Trent Brown and say some sideways shit. Like, you're going to find out through an email or something. That was a mess, man. you know what else was a mess in Vegas?

Was that IV situation, dude. That was another reason why I had to get up out of there. That happened to me once. I didn't have to go to the hospital and almost die like you, but like they left the IV in too long. I'm not going to say where it was. And I looked down right before a game, and I had a baseball coming out of my arm, basically.

I don't know how it was for you because the air was just, I guess the, you know, like the air was filling up that area. What happened with yours? So the air was, the air was, Well, they had stuck me several times. This is the arm I usually go in. The right arm I got the vein. I can point to it every time.

Usually successful. But I mean, over the course of time with the Raiders, like every week they were sticking me a couple times. You know what I mean? But this week in particular, they came over to the left arm. And I was coming off of COVID. And they tried to blame it on COVID, but I had just gotten cleared from COVID.

So that made no sense. Yeah. So they stuck this arm a couple times again. Finally found a vein. They're running. I get too bad before every game. They weren't paying attention, neglect. And I got the air was just going in my vein.

They pulled it out finally when they did catch it. And I was sitting in a chair, like a regular chair. You know not a locker room's arm. A regular folding chair. And I just, they pulled it out and I passed out. I couldn't feel my limbs. My chest was hurting. like I was just like shaking it got real cold

I was nauseous, dizzy eyes running to the back of my head and shit like that it was a real scary time and so I spent about I spent about three days in the hospital by myself of course with one of the athletic trainers and it was another thing that was so crazy to me is like y'all trying to blame this shit on COVID

but then y'all send me back home on a commercial flight that doesn't add up you know what I mean so like make it make sense and then you have I fly from Cleveland to Denver on a layover, which was like an hour and a half layover, and then I fly to Vegas. So that shit was stupid. Jesus, dude.

Then we have this whole team meeting like that Wednesday, and they're trying to say it was because they found something wrong with my heart. But nobody's ever found anything wrong with my heart in the 25 years I've been playing football. And so now of a sudden, but then all of a sudden you guys want to hire a professional nurse phlebotomis to travel with us and administer i vs at every home in a way game which is an admission that you didn't know what the fuck you're doing maybe thank you yeah exactly dude but yeah i mean stuff like this happens like like it shouldn't happen but it's happened man like they were putting air in my veins too and maybe if i'd sat there as long as you i just like and then you know you

talk about tyrod taylor's uh injection like it's dangerous to get ready to play a football game it's dangerous to play a football game. Dangerous before you even get on the field. Yeah. Let's not even talk about the car ride to the stadium, let some people tell it. That's really dangerous. All right. Well, San Francisco, man, I remember playing you.

And I remember one of the reasons I remember that game in 2016 when we came to San Francisco was I got to play Cap for the last time. And I played Cap like a lot in my career. Like he was in division. He used to torch us. And we used to get after his ass, but he used to torch us. And I thought that year, I thought he did fine. dude. Like I, when people talk about Cap now, I'm like, did you not watch 2016? I'm not saying he was a top five quarterback, but that man deserved respect like any other quarterback in the NFL. So I'm kind of curious, you who was there, like for anybody who's at home, like he was ass in 2016. Like, how did you feel about playing with Cap and what kind of teammate was he?

I thought Cap was a cool teammate. Well, I kind of knew of him a little bit before I got in the league anyway, just because one of the guys from my hometown, Ricardo, or lock it. They were kind of close and they hung out a lot. So I kind of followed Cap a little bit before I got into the league. And then when I got there, like, all I knew Cap to be was a star. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't think he was a terrible quarterback. I think, I think, I still think he's, if he's in the league right now,

he's definitely not, it's not 32 quarterbacks better than him. So I think, I think he deserves enough. opportunity. I hope he gets it. Where? I don't care. I don't think he even cares. I just hope he gets another shot. I think he deserves it. I agree. I'm glad to hear you say that because, you know, like, I always tell people, I'm like, people want to tell me, I'll get in

arguments on behalf of Cap, or I'll get in arguments because of, you know, some of the ignorance of people say. And I'm like, bro, first off, like, you're wrong about everything anyways. But secondly, Cap is right about things and he should still be in the league. I played him in 2016. So people will send me stats and be like, this

justifies why he's not in the league right now, this, that, and the third, as if it's not anything other than what it is. And here's a guy who play with him and said, he doesn't think right now they're 32 quarterbacks better in Colin Kaepernick. And I would tend to agree maybe. I mean, like, give him 10 weeks. Like, I'm not saying

the first day he's the top 32. He needs a little time. I think there's without a doubt that he's a top tier of NFL backup. And yes, like, Without a doubt, five years off. An opportunity to compete. You got five years off.

That's hard to come back. You want to talk about an underdog story. Yeah. If that ever happens, fuck, Trent. That'd be awesome. I mean, I don't think what he tried to stand up for

warranted him not having a job. I agree. Nature of the beast, nature of the business. It's crazy, but it is what it is. Well, I hope we see him again.

I mean, it'd be pretty fucking cool. All right. Well, Trent Brown, appreciate you. We're out of time. We appreciate you being so gracious with your time, dude. And I hope to catch you soon, man.

It'd be nice to run into you when I don't have to set an edge on you. That'd be cool. Thanks for the time. Thanks, Trent.