Green Light with Chris Long - Michael Irvin! On Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady & In-Season NFL Trades.

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

(2:06) - Chris' Front Runner Fandom as a Kid & Howie Long's Doobie Comments on Fox NFL Sunday. (10:18) - Michael Irvin on Russell Wilson's Issues in Denver, Tom Brady's Issues in Tampa Bay, Aaron Rodgers' Issues in Green Bay and Trades in the NFL. (41:16) - Howie Long, the 90s Actor, and Better Basketball Player, Howie Long or Ryen Russillo? (49:20) - 90s NFL Nostalgia Items Draft: Chris, Kingston and Cowboy Draft Favorite Items from the 90s NFL. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all too. 1-8009-9-8789. Welcome to the Greenlight Podcast. Cowboy. Michael Irvin and Chris recap some storylines from the NFL this week, talk a little trades, some that happen, some potential trades that might need to happen to push some teams over the hump and get them on their way to playoff contention.

Michael Irvin also talks about what he sees from Russell Wilson, the issues with the Packers, what he likes and doesn't like about the Dallas Cowboy situation, how good the Eagles are playing, and tells a wonderful Jerry Jones story. Y'all enjoy. We got Michael Irvin on today, and Michael Irvin. Irvin's one of my favorite guests. He's one of my favorite people to run into at like the Super Bowl or some NFL event.

You know, when it comes to NFL Hall of Famers, he's about as down to earth as any of them I've ever met. And it's cool because when I was a kid, I shared this admission on the pod last week. I think it was. When I was a young kid, I was a Cowboys fan. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't a Raiders fan.

I was a Raiders fan, because of my dad. But as far as another team, it was the Cowboys. And it was hard. Like it's easy when you're a kid to get, I don't know, pulled into this fucking frontrunner trap. That's what happened to me. And it hit me, you know, I grew up an avid Panthers fan once I moved to Virginia and kind of decided like,

hey, it wasn't gonna be the then Redskins. All my friends that like that team seemed to not be able to tell me when the last time they won was. So I wanted to start fresh. And when the Panthers moved to Charlotte, I was a Panthers fan. But before that, I was an epic frontrunner. And it just hit me, dude, because I was a Yankees fan.

I was a Cowboys fan. I was a Penguins fan. And I was a Knicks fan when they had Mario Lemieux. Pretty much, dude. And the Knicks fan when Jordan retired? No, I was a Knicks fan from, I think it was just the fact they were they were on TV

you know like they were on TV like in basketball for me it was good enough to be on TV because for some reason I didn't do the Bulls thing you know weird to pick all the other teams but then you had to like stay humble you know the next to the ultimate like stay humble team and I'm glad I did that because like years later it's still working and um

yeah you guys have won a lot over the last pretty humble staying humble out here but uh you know change uh Elylydea in football is a great decision and in hockey I kind of eventually stopped watching until I moved to St. Louis and the Blues kind of rekindled my spirit there and in baseball as soon as Luis Gonzalez hit that fucking single up the middle for the Diamondbacks to win the World Series Reed you were like

tiny when that happened I remember the Sports Illustrated cover it was Randy Johnson and Kurt Schilling on that that year well yeah and sports illustrated is an easy way to like go back you know how now you go back in your camera roll to to kind of jog some memories right like hey what was i doing around june of 2017 well if you go through some old sports illustrated that will bring back memories that's like your 90s camera roll right there oh i remember that yeah like i used to race to the mail on thursdays oh yeah and i'd read rick riley on the toilet until my legs fell asleep i got sports illustrated for kids and I didn't understand why I didn't get the swimsuit issue.

You got it for kids. Yeah, because I got the one for kids, but I heard about this swimsuit issue and how big a deal it was. And I was like, why isn't that included in my thing? Why don't I get that? Where's mine? You don't want to appear horny so you didn't ask your parents. Right.

Yeah, yeah. I was just telling my friends like, I get Sports Illustrated. Where's mine? Oh, I definitely got the swimsuit edition. But like, honestly, the Cowboys fandom was fun while at last. And it was fun while it lasted because of Michael Irvin and guys like that. And he had the big pads and he had the big elbow pads. And he had the swagger.

And he just seemed like an absolute dog. And I was a kid, I didn't know what I was looking at. But as I've grown older, I get why I liked him so much because I was a D-Lyman. And he didn't play wide receiver like a wide receiver. Like to me, he was in the shit. So, yeah, I'm excited to have Michael on. we've had them on before. We were talking about this.

I think when it comes to NFL players who played a long time and then entered the media, their likability and success in the media being one side of the coin and the other being their football career like Michael Irvin has both at the highest level, dude.

I think he's great at what he does in the media. He's super fun to watch. He's charismatic. he makes great points and he was an awesome player so like when it comes to those two skill sets i don't know of too many guys who have balanced both as well i mean like howie long howie long's been great until he started talking about doobies on sunday did you see that yeah did you ask him about that yeah i haven't talked to my dad since the weekend so i don't know what the fuck he was thinking but he's so pure like pure of heart he had no idea he was just

calling it what they call it in New Orleans, evidently. They're calling smoke screens. From what he heard from other people. Sean Payton. Yeah, right. He's on the set with him now. You know, they're throwing these smoke screens out in New Orleans, and they're calling them dubies and splifts.

I don't know what else they're calling them. People online were blaming your influence. That's crazy. That's crazy to me because he didn't call them raw cones. You know, that, you know. Anyways, we've got Michael Irvin. He's fun. And we think the world of him.

So appreciate him coming on. And then at the end of the pod, we're going to, in the spirit of Michael Irvin and the nostalgia that Michael Irvin has bubbling up here in Studio J, like we're gonna draft 90s football things. Stuff we miss from the 90s, which it's a goal, maybe it's our age and it's our bias, but the 90s will never be replicated.

Like not in sports. we will force Reed to pretend he's as old as us. Yeah, for sure. Reed, you know what we mean? Nothing beat it, right? That's right. 1998 was a good year for you. How old were you?

1990. 98. 98, I was 5. And that's when the God's team won, right? That's right. Yep. That is like one of my first memories is my dad getting all excited in the living room watching John Elway win a Super Bowl.

Look at that helicopter and motherfucker. Yeah. And I had a nice little Broncos starters jacket with the angry horse on the back of it. Starter jacket. That might make the draft. I don't know, guys. I'm not giving away my big board. All right, Michael Irvin.

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No, did Sean just out with the Ravens? Yeah. Oh, that's great, man. Yeah? That's great. Deshawn, you still play. Yeah. Deschard's still a place. So that's a great sign for them, too.

You know, he has some speed. I want them to find him a big dude. Stop always finding these fast dudes. Find him a wide receiver tight end. You know, somebody to go with Mark Andrews. They can line up right outside of Mark Andrews, cut them down, split in the slot, and do some damage. I mean, I like the fast guys, but, but boy, you're a big dude.

It's interesting because I look at the Ravens and like, listen, I'm a huge Lamar fan. He's missed a couple throws in big spots this year. Like that's no secret. Big spot, you know, like people go through slumps and the whole thing and maybe the magic's running out

or maybe it's been run out with Greg Roman. But, you know, like I think their problems more down in the red zone. Like, hey, when you need, when you got to have it, I mean,

there's Mark Andrews, but then like, do you have somebody else you can depend on regularly? And does stretching the field really change things for, for Lamar? Is this? Right. I mean,

what do you think? you think this change specifically for him? You're absolutely right. I don't know. You know, they go from the Marquis Browns and they keep going with these, I guess, fast.

You know, because Sean Jackson's been a good player for a long time. Yeah. And he can still run. And he can still play. Well, I just want, I wish they were going to go find him a Drake London.

You know? That'd be cool. A Drake London, man. That boy goes, he goes up and get any ball anywhere at any time. If you have a guy, God that, all right, he's worked on his past and he's gotten good and better at his past and he'll continue to work on and continue to get better.

But why don't I give him a bigger wonder? Right. You know what I'm saying? You know how hard hit them fast dudes? You're running down, especially, yeah, it's, yeah. And he's missed, like you said, he missed a couple of throws, man, back to back in one game, wide open. I mean, people don't even get that wide open in the NFL.

So I just I wish they would give them some big guys to get them some get some room for error I'm with you man and and I wonder that makes me think about Mike Gaseki who's down in Miami like I've been kid I love that dude I do too and I do who's going to make a play for him who do you think is the best fit for him I had a team in mind I've been floating but I want to hear what you have to say yeah who's a good fit for him because they've his usage is way down and they've just kind of all but been set out why do you think they're getting rid of them in Miami? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, his usage has been way down. So, like, basically, his targets have been way, way down. And I don't know if it doesn't mess as well with the offense they're running now or whatever. There's too many options in the field with Tyreek and that sort of thing. That's what it is. It's just a real option that don't feel like that. And when you think about it, they're like, okay, we're designing to play to put the ball in Tyreek's hand. And Jay and Waldo here. And Jay Leno, he's. And Jay Leno, he's. because at any time,

no more than we're gone. We got to get you a bit. And Ceseki, just in that pecking order. But, but, but I like them. I think they should,

they should be working them in. I think he's a big time. I don't see how you, where do you, has he talked about it? By having talked about letting him go or anything like that? They said it out loud, Cowboy.

They haven't said it out loud. I'm talking my producer, Cowboy Reid. Who's a Broncos fan, unfortunately, Michael. Oh, he trying to get to second.

Yeah, well, you've got to get some. to get somebody. I'm trying to get a whole new team is what I'm trying to get. No, you don't need a whole team. You need a new system. Yeah.

That system does a feat fit. It doesn't fit, Russell Wilson. You know what I mean? We want to, do you think what Aaron Rogers does, all that readoffs and stuff? He can look,

he can zip that ball in there. That's never been Russell's game. Russell is a, Russell Moore made things happen. Yeah. But put him back the, you get him a great running game. You drop back,

let him see, let him see him see in the field. And then he's, buys a little time, then he makes the plays, that's when they start moving the ball. When he loses, when he loses the context of that offense and he started

just doing Russell Wilson things. Yeah, and the magic, because we played him twice a year, was always off script. And it was always off script. Right. You know, like right now it's just not clicking for him in that offense. And part of it may be like, yeah, he needs more freedom. But also he's 33, man. Like, you know,

he's not going to be what he once was. I don't think in his stretching Denver. I do think he's going to have to change the way he plays like sometimes, which makes it really tough because if the system's not right and sometimes he's trying to do a little too much, like that's a tough combination to work out of. I wonder how long the leash is

on Hackett. And that's the area. That's the area I'm pointing because you can't do anything. Rush just gave him $250. You know what I mean? That figure it's out. It's going to have to go and work it out. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

I'm hoping like it took Ann Rogers a little wilder now in his system. Remember that first year and he looked pretty bad in it for a little wilder but he came around right around this time. His first year he was in his sister. He was coming around

right around this time. So yeah if he's going to show for us it needs to show fast. What do you think the Packers need like you know, okay the Ravens just made a play for a fast guy? You know Arizona just made a play for a fast guy although the the best thing they can do is get D-Hodiac out.

The Packers meet Odell Beckham, Jr. Is that what they need? That's what they need. And there are a few teams that need them. O'Dell's going to sit back and see what team is in the best position when it's time for him to come back and he wants to go to that team. But yeah, they need that they need that dynamic receiver, that guy. Yeah.

That guy that Ann Rogers can get to and it won't replace the Bontel, but give them something. Yeah. something like yeah it would be my tabs no question okay give me Super Bowl hangovers man like I figured you're the perfect guy to ask I mean you guys did a great job of getting back on the horse every year right like but it was a party down there and it was you guys were celebrated and you won a few of them and I'm looking at the bangles and the Rams and I can remember in 2018 after we won the Super Bowl we were four and six and we made the playoffs and we were a catchaway from being right back in that

thing but it's like you dig yourself a grave so early in the season you know you You got to climb out of it. Did you guys ever have trouble with that? I mean, and what goes into having trouble with that? Jimmy was pretty cool and pretty good about it. What I mean by that, Jimmy always, I mean, he laid honest about that. You know, hey, go get away guys, have a good time. Yeah.

When we come back, we're going to get back to work. You spend the whole off season, everybody you see, and padding you're on the back. There's a human tendency, he always says. There's a human tendency. when you're having great success, you just slack up and patch herself on the back.

We would not fall to that pendency, as we know. Because he's right. You know, everybody's telling you how great you are. Imagine what that's like in L.A. Yeah. You just want a damn Super Bowl in L.A. I mean, you doing every show,

you're coming by all these guest appearance. on all the TV shows, everything. Yeah. It's hard to come back down on their horse and say, hey, let's get back to work real hard, you know. That's what I'm saying. And then everybody you play, Chris, you know,

you're that Super Bowl. They're measuring. We got to measure. They can just play bad one week. And you're looking at this. Like, who any damn jokers in these uniforms? These are not the jokers I saw on film. They're not a little juggles.

But they've been a whole new. level because they're measuring themselves by you as a champion. So, so yeah, it's real. That's real. And the problem with that offense, I mean, I think no booms out for the year. I just read today the tackle who had to replace Whitworth, so down another guy. And Stafford physically, and this isn't me taking a shot. I'm just saying he's a little shot physically.

The guy's been through a lot, and, you know, he got his Super Bowl and everything, and I'm glad he's got it. But I just don't know if he can hold up behind that offensive line. I kind of likened it to being back in Detroit. He's got one guy to throw to. And, you know, maybe the Allen Robinson thing starts to work out. He had some nice touches on Sunday. But, like, he's got one guy to throw two.

No running game. He's getting hit. Like, you know, and albeit Cooper Cups, great, so was Megatron. But, like, the ceiling on offense like that doesn't seem very high. Yeah. And, you know, well, it is crazy seeing somebody, seeing how the Rams have fallen apart. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It really is just crazy. And at the beginning of the year, Detroit looked like they were ready to do something. I was like, man, man, everybody got out of the, you know. They look better in the Rams. You know, until the receiver got hurt that was going off St. Ron's round around where. He was going on.

And he got hurt. So they kind of took a down turn. I know, Dallas, we got Detroit over here this year, this week. Dallas fan of them this week here in Dallas, I think, isn't in Detroit. Trapped game? Trap game? A little bit of a trap game. Well, I don't, you know what? Dad's talking about coming back. I don't, see, I don't think of a bit trap game for Cowboys. I mean, the troll was the number one offense in the league a week ago.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's the number one office in the league. And the one thing, Dallas needs, is the league. Yeah. So then that defense can just combat the ears and get to a quarterback. So, so, yeah, it'll be a tough game for Dallas, especially with that. you're coming off a real physical game against the birds, man.

That there was electric up there. There's a lot of energy being poured into that game. I know you picked with the good guys. And even Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett succumb to the vibes, man. The vibes were too strong for coach, man. He picked the Eagles on TV. So, you know, like coming off a game like that, and you had some big matchups in your day,

like I'm sure some big rivalry games. And then the next week, it's kind of hard getting the young guys to refocus and that sort of thing. I think that could be a big challenge this week. Yeah, but if you guys like Michael Parsons too, when I look at this dude, man, it's a different dude. When he talked about

after that game, he said, this is make us better. Yeah. We got to eat this right now. We got to eat this right. See, that kind of guy, you need some of those dudes because you know that. Right. I watched him one time, Chris, on hard knocks, right? And they had a plate on the field.

And it was him and then. and he was backside, played went all the way over the he ran past Van Nish, he's trying to go woo! Van Ness, they come to the sideline.

Van Ness they're doing. Man, what are you doing? There's no way you're ever going to make it over there to make that play. He said, I don't know that. Yeah. I'm going.

I'm going. You don't know what's going to happen over there. The ball may fall. He may cut back, whatever. But those kind of guys are what makes the difference on a football team. And those kind of, because when things don't work for those guys,

they'll push hard. They'll work hard. And everybody around them will start feeling bad. Trust me, I bet bad there's said, oh, my God, this dude ran right past me. Yeah. And I didn't get my butt over there. You see what I'm saying? You're rationally thinking the game.

Go and play, just go play. Stop trying to conserve energy. Well, I'm not going to make it over there, so I'm not going to go. Yeah, that's a great look. That's a bad look on Hardnod. You know, asking the young guy, why did you run by you?

You're supposed to be telling the guy to run by you. You know what I mean? Like, that's not, but it's good. You know, you're supposed to be racing his ass over there. Exactly.

You're supposed to beat him over there. That's what we do. We go. Hey, let's go. Me and Albert and Hopper and I, every damn film, we would be looking. Dog, I got you.

On every plate, on every plate, we racing off the line. I'm two yards here. Dude, you're on the line. I play the Z. I'm one yard back already back. You know, that kind of competitiveness.

You got to have that to do something. Yeah, and it's good when your alpha is like that. You know, like, because not all the alphas on every team are, like, great example guys. You know, and to have a dude like that who's not only an alien on the field, but he's a leader. Like, you can just tell when he speaks, he's wise beyond his years. He's not like a 23, 24-year-old kid of. stairs. Like he... No, no, he is good dude.

He's good, you know, he says something that people don't get. You just, you really just hitting their head with some things. I try to tell people all the time. I said, do you understand? Most superior athletes, most superior athletes aren't great leaders. Yeah. Hell great. Because shit,

they've been doing it all by themselves. All they like, they want by themselves in Little League. They won by themselves in middle school. They won by themselves in high school. You know what I mean? That's superiority. Every time they play, they win by themselves. But, but, you know, the Tom Brady's of the world, the Tom Brady's of the world,

they got to be great leaders. You know what I mean? They're not superior athletes. I'm not a superior athlete. So I know I'm going to need others to win, you know. But most superior athletes aren't great leaders because they've been always winning by themselves anyway. I did see you in that dunk contest, though, like on YouTube, man. Yeah, yeah.

Hey, bro. I got a know. Yeah, dude. Hey, I did not, I did not realize. My guy, I did not realize. I had no idea. Because I played ball, man, I did.

I won all kind of dunk contests. Yeah. They had a belt beach ball, high school belt beach ball class, you know, Kenny, Kenney, and so all them played in it, played in it.

Over that, I set the rebound record that year I played with all of those guys got the most rebound. I was just a physical player. You know, I'm really playing football. I'm backing you up and I'm back to you.

Yeah. The back end that's doing the game was physical, you know. Yeah. But yeah, get up now. I could jump and get up. That was my thing. I can jump in. Yeah.

For anybody listening, it's on YouTube. Go check it out. I had this dump called a Pekaboo dunk, right? That was always using what I win my dunk contest with. Right. I go peekaboo. And I always put the showmanship into it. Like, I go to me and go to me a core.

Oh, right. And I said, come right now. right now. Cover my eyes. I'm coming down to lane. I'm covering my eye like that. I'm really peaking. Because the caller peeked up a dog.

I'm really picky. I'm really picky. It won me some contests, man. That's good, man. That's good. You are a showman, man. I think you could be a great

WWE wrestler. I think you could shoot the fuck out of a promo. When you were hyping up the Cowboys a couple weeks ago, I almost believe, man. I was, you had me, you had me believing, man, in Cooper Rush. I think you could shoot the... You thought you'd be seeing the video when I'd be cutting the pool. Yeah, when you get hyped, I'm like, man, this guy could have been a Hall of Fame

Rassler as well, dude. He could shoot a promo. You can do a lot of stuff, man. Stuff is fun, too, man. You imagine that stuff is so far. Hey, all right, this is interesting. Like, you watch now, and I kind of watch now, because there's, There's a couple times of my career that I kind of would have like somebody come get me.

But now guys have a ton of avenues to get out of their situation. They got social media. They'll like some shit. They'll accidentally retweet some shit. They'll be looking for their name and it'll be like, this guy should get traded. Oh, whoops, I retweet it or they'll work the agents or they'll fucking, I don't know if this is what Robbie Anderson. From the account of all team stuff. Yeah, all the team stuff.

Right. They have all these avenues. And Robbie Anderson, like, there's one. way to do it. I'm not saying that's why he did it. But, like, Robbie Anderson probably wanted out anyways. And sometimes it happens at the same time you won out so bad, like that little thing makes you snap. You know, like, when,

I don't know if you're ever part of a year where it was so stressful, bro. And like, you know, there's some dudes that are checked out and there's some dudes that are angry. And I just was sitting there thinking about Robbie and just the way guys are in the 90s, guys didn't have a way out of their situation, did they? No, you know.

And I feel funny because I said that yesterday on the show, on first take, you know. I remember because, you know, we're talking about Devonthe, I was talking about Tyree Kill. And these teams always say, I guess they said it for that fan base, we really wanted to keep them.

We were willing, we were willing to pay them to keep them. Shut up. Stop it. Stop, stop the line. Stop the line because you really want to keep them. You should take care of that before. Didn't want to get, you know. So stop that.

But I said to them yesterday, why are these teams letting these guys go? just because they won out. When I wanted, I remember negotiating with Jared, I wanted to go, I said, Jared, I'll go somewhere else. Let's do it. And he was talking about trade needs to call Pickens

over in Cincinnati. Wow. I said, I want a championship everywhere. I've ever played. I would like, go if I can turn Cincinnati into a championship. You know, because it was bluffing. I thought it was bluffing. But he was trying me.

I said, okay, let's do it. I was serious. I was like, okay, let's do it. Let's do it. And then Jerry sat there. He said, okay, you want to do it? I said, yeah, let's do it. Then he said, ha, boy, I'm bushing.

He ain't nowhere in the world. And he said to me, said, Michael. And I'll never forget. He said, Michael, when I look at you, you know what I think about? I think about Magic Johnson in the Lakers. What would Magic be without the Lakers? What would you make us be without magic? What is Michael Irving without the cowboy?

And what are the cowboys without Michael Arby? He said, Michael, what I'm trying to tell you? Valid Ranch is what we practice at. He said, what I'm trying to tell you, Michael, this is verbat. If a bomb hits Valer Ranch today and blew everything up, when the smoke clears, baby, you and me, we're going to be right here. Forever. It's going to be my job.

Work this deal out right now. I started laughing, I said, man, you are crazy. You went through all of that. But, you know, but it was basically telling you now, is you going to work shit or you ain't going to play? Right. So we can work it out. Right.

Right. So I wouldn't mind that. Some of these teams, like, listen, man, dude, I'm not letting you go. Yeah. I'm not letting you go. That's what I would be saying. I'm not letting you go. And then some of these teams, they just threw up,

and save every dime, you know, they could have signed Devontel a couple years ago and not literally get to that. Right. You know, saying, but, but, but of course. At the time it gets to that, it's like, oh, well, he's asking for this. Like, well, it didn't have to get to this.

The market did have to get that it got to this. Right. And then emotions that got in the way. Because I hate that too, Chris Elton. Well, it's nothing personal. It is damn personal. Personal. I'm feeding my personal.

Those are my personal kids I need to feed. Give me my money. Stop saying stuff like that. Oh, yeah. You say, my kids, they personal? Yeah. It's all personal. That's why I'm doing it.

I'm blood across the middle. Yeah. So, so, so my granddaughter, he said, Papa, I took care of her from the grave, and you're going to tell me it ain't personal? I don't hear it, man. Yeah, dude. It's, first off, it's like personal anyways because it's an insult.

Like, hey, we don't want you here anymore, bro. On top of that, I think with Robbie Anderson, who's bounced around a little bit, and he's had all bad quarterbacks, like objectively, it hasn't been a great situation for him. That can poison your mindset. It can't. Like,

every way he's found to his muscle memory. Like, he's learned in chaos. Like, he's never had time to build good habits, you know? Yeah, and I thought,

I thought, you know, I talked to Rob a couple of a little while ago when he had Teddy Bridge, Water over and Carolina, and I knew they were working out together in Miami. And I thought that would be, that would really work out.

And then Teddy moved on, you know. And I know he's kind of made some comments before Baker got over there, but Baker came over there anyway. So, yeah, it's been a lot going on. There's been a lot going on. And you say, it's correct. He never really wanted to leave New York.

He never really was. I remember he was hurt. He was hurt that he left New York to go to Carolina. But then he was trying to make the most of it. And it just never worked out over there for him. If you were... But, but, but, Chris, this is, I was one. one of the main guys that went up and down that sideline

going off and yelled at people, Chris. You can't, come on, man. You can't walk up on the coach. Like, we up on the damn street corner and you're swinging on it. Lead that old, me that old gangster crazy music bull and junk on the street. You know what I'm saying?

That's something that he did, dude. Like, oh, I don't, man. Well, I think there's a way, like, there are situations as a player where me and a coach had like at it and maybe it could get there but you know like what's the justification if a coach says something that's over the line like and you you and i know what that would be like something about your family caught you soft challenging you physically threatening you like then i think it's warranted but i always can tell by like you ever try to litigate these

situations with no sound you know and you look around and see what the teammates reactions are And when a guy's going off and everybody just kind of looks off in the distance, like everybody's just tired of the shit. You know what I mean? They're saying this movie before. It didn't seem like a situation where Robbie Anderson was in the right, at least to me. Just judging by the context of the whole situation. You know, it looked like he threatened the coach and, you know, like, what are we doing?

Like what are we doing, bro? You know what I mean? So I agree with you, man. And I'm going to tell you how I've always said this, too. because, you know, I've had guys, young guys asking, man, man, we need you know to go say, I said, first of all, if your ass ain't playing, don't say nothing.

Don't say that. You can't go over here. Come on. Come on. And you ain't making no plays. Yeah. Because now it sounds like you're yelling at everybody saying, I need your own to go play instead of me, instead of me.

If you make it play and you can come on, God, I need you, let's go, let's go, play with me. Now I'm saying, come on, play with me. Yeah. They'll take that because you make your play. Let's go, guys. Let's go. But if you ain't make your plays, man, you got,

hey, come on now. Don't come over here yelling and you ain't made a damn play. And that's why the Tom Brady thing, which, yeah, it's not ideal that he missed, you know, walk through. I would, you know, I would said, hey, try to, you know, get back a little earlier. But at the same time, some people are like, they've been asking me all week,

how would you feel if you were Tom Brady's team? If I'm Tom Brady's teammate, I'm probably coming into the meeting on Monday. looking at my grade and worrying about my fucking job because we're 500 and everybody in that building is tight right now right now nobody's thinking about Tom Brady people are thinking about like their livelihood and and maybe what they didn't do right on Sunday because it wasn't just Tom Brady and you know if anybody's like like I don't know how you feel about that because at first I was like that's a bad look but at the same time like nobody's going to say anything

because good luck without Tom Brady you know like business you like this guy that's me right I guess you. That's me. I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a little. We wouldn't get nowhere near no damn Super Bowls until you came over here.

I don't want to hear that. If he needs a Friday off, he could take a Friday off. I want to come in there. That's the national media coming up with. I don't give a day. I had Tom Brady. Stop playing.

Just so, everybody by Sunday, which fire will work these thing. Don't worry. Stop playing him here. You know. It trips me. out when people start jumping

on things like that, you know? And the man, listen, if I'm this man's teammate, his dude does come across and put me in a whole other plateau and taking me to a Super Bowl. I know he's going through something at home.

I got no issue with what he's dealing with right now. I know you, and I said when he was missing those 11 days, I said, there's only a few things do this to a man. The way he looked, right after that game, when he came back, this preseason game,

after 11, 12 days away, you saw it on his face, see, I said, I said, only a few things in life. Can wreck and vets a man's spirit like this, and they all start with D. They all start with me.

It's the death of a kid, death of your kid, the death of your mom, the death of your wife, are divorced. That's you. That's it. Don't get this yet.

That's the only thing. The vets you just spirit is so great. And we all see that. We see you dealing with that. And if I'm on his team, man, I would, the first chance I get, somebody put a microphone in my face,

I would, I'll burst out, I'll burst about it. I wish y'all in national media, shut the hell up. We're fine with what Tom did. This is all quarterback. We know what Tom's dealing with.

Shut up and leave us alone. Yeah. I would say that just so he knows he has support. I know he knows it. But, you know, sometimes you just want to hear, you know. You can, yeah, you can do more to nip that in the bud, the distraction part of it. You know, like the people talking about it. If somebody takes the air out of it in a locker room.

Right, stop. Let me tell you. Let me share something with you one time, man. I mean, and I hope Troy don't mind. I share it. You know, I love it. And it's so funny because, you know, he texts me today. He texts Emmett and I today.

Troy, I don't know where it was. He was coming back for Monday night football. He's just saying, man, you're ready to take off something. And I just want to tell you, boys, I love you, man. I'm so glad, man, that God put us together. You know, some great things like that. You know, you just do like that, right? I never forget. One time, we're in the locker room.

And we had this element in the locker room that was kind of against Troy, his element. And he was, and they were putting out things like Troy gets on the black players, harder than he gets on the white players. Drop these insinuations.

You know what I mean? Dude. My next press conference, I went the hell off. I say, man, I can't believe y'all out here right and stuff like this. Y'all got to stop that, man. Listen, I ain't nobody in this locker room black than me. So you can say, hey, all right, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to stop you.

I said, come on, man. Let's stop doing that right now. Because a lot of that stuff is coming in to tear up what you have. And you got to be smart about it. They've been at the top the last couple of year. Any little wrinkle, any little problems some of people are coming and tear it up.

And I always say this. If you roll to a Super Bowl, it's never paid smooth. It's paid peaks and ballots. That's why football team and football organizations never win Super Bowls. Oh, you can deal with the peaks. But they come apart in the Valley. But football

families, they come together in the valley. You start to take them another. Then you start, you say, hey, it's us against the world. And then you come out even better than you win in that battle. Football families, the only thing that win championships because of that right there. And that's why playing a team coming out of Valley can be dangerous. Sometimes it's not who you play when you play and we've been saying that on this spot. Sean Pacek's, you know, bad that the other day on the Fox set. And I was like, that's, that's when I got to catch there, because it's true. It's when you play a team and sometimes it does make them closer to go through some

shit. So you got to watch out for some of these teams the second half of the year. That's all we're saying. Michael Irvin, pro football Hall of Famer, friend of the program. He's the best, dude. I really appreciate you hanging with us through the technical difficulties and for coming back. That's all good. You know, I love you, man. You know, I love your dad, man. I love your brother, man.

You're just good people, man. All of your good people, man. And we got to encourage each other. Nobody encourage men. So we got to make sure we encourage you. You're damn right, buddy. I encourage you right back. Cool as fucking dude ever.

I appreciate you, man. Love, man. Much love, man. You know, I'm not an athlete anymore, per se. I did just join a softball league. But I'm a podcaster. And to podcasters, gut health is very important. My morning routine is very important. My breakfast is very important.

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when somebody hosts for five times, they're entered into the five timers club, which is like their guest host Hall of Fame. So we should have one. Exactly. Right? that's where you're going we should have one and I agree a couple no brainers couple no brainers who would be already in it like

Mina would be in it already she's been on this show a bunch Ryan's been on this show a bunch Steve is Steve's I don't even know Steve's close though I don't know if he hasn't made he barely made five right yeah I don't know like this week I think it's been this week so Steve Steve Damishak's probably on there

Dameshack Nicole Auerbach Yeah Nicole's on there James Coe's in there yeah James Coe Um, I, should we be giving, it's like the new, it's like passing numbers like James Co. Nicole, like we want to get them back. We don't want to just give them their gold jackets for doing a recurring segment. Like I want to get Nicole proper on here five times. I want to get James Co.

You know what I'm saying? Like it's like inflated passing yards. Same thing with Steve. Steve's got to come on when he's not like, you know, doing a repeating segment. We need like a feature episode with Steve. By those metrics, we really only have like Rusillo and Mina. I'm not sure if there's anybody else that has met five times. Has Howie Long been on five times yet?

I think he's at four. He's just, he's not a first ballot here, is it? Was he not first ballot? I don't think he was first. I think he was second. That's insane. Well, to me, they're all fucking gods, dude. They're gods.

like I never care about first ballot second I've never heard him complain about anything like that but I do think he had to wait once so definitely not like the last thing I want is my dad's pro bowl alternate son on a podcast he's minding his business he's like I'm not a first ballot

when he was inducted he was the third youngest ever he was the third youngest at the time yeah yeah handsome some of a biscuit it. He hasn't aged since. No, he hasn't. He's, he's in a fucking, he's, he's in a time capsule. It never fails. The other day I had, so I was

almost mean to somebody. Somebody was like, Chris looks older than him already. And I was like, that's funny. I was like, yeah, that's good. You could have done it the other way. Like, he looks as young as Chris. Last half empty type guy. You know, uh, and then some woman was like, he's almost there.

And, uh, I wanted to be like, Now let's do you, Denise. You know, like I can see your profile picture. We would just talk about people's looks here. You know? But dad, he's a handsome SOB, that guy. Yeah. I miss seeing him in movies.

Yeah. 90s and movies star. You can watch him on stars all the time, dude. Seriously, you can catch him. They're still out there. And by the way, he was in that thing you do, right? We were talking about it. Yeah.

Talking about the deleted scene. I was right. He was Tom Hanks' his bear. For some reason, my brain could not allow me to perceive your dad as gay. Right. I just couldn't. I was just like, oh, he's just like really well-dressed and fastidious. And him and Tom are flirting getting into this convertible.

Yeah, no, no, no. I texted him the other night. I was like, hey, dude, yeah, you were gay in that movie with Tom Hanks, right? And he was like, yeah. There was no like, why? Like random text at 11.30 at night from your son. It's like, oh yeah. Yeah, well, you know, we text at 1 a.m.

Like, we know we're both night owls, so we're awake. So there's no, like, would you text your dad at 1 a.m.? If there's not a problem. I would, I would not expect a response. Yeah. If I'm texting somebody at 1 a.m., it might be my grandma. I might text my grandma at 1 a.m. Yeah, I would never text you at 1 a.m.

I promise. My dad refuses to text. He will only send you an email. No. No. Yeah, I'm serious. No. He'll call you or send you an email.

He won't text you? I'm not sure if he knows how. Bro, I might adopt that strategy. That's a very 90s strategy. Oh, that's one thing I missed from the 90s. That's right. I know you guys have been trying to do miss emailing and I don't miss that from the 90s, but I do miss Howie Long from the 90s.

Yeah, we were talking about guys that are good. in media, good at football, and also good at basketball in Michael Irvin. I remember in the 1990s, I saw your dad play at a charity event. Was he mid? He was good. Yeah, he had a little, he was definitely good. He loved the corner three, like a little like, like, he put up a lot of shots. I also read a story about him playing like pickup back in L.A. where like him and Lyle would show up and they would play pickup for like hours with all these like regular dudes and like a weekly thing it sounded yeah it's only stuff like that only happened in the 90s dude seriously and no i mean i'm not even trying to segue i know you're i know you're like kind of trying to sink in here and you're like

what the fuck now he's segue weighing me out of a really good sidebar no the sidebar is great howie long legitimately and this is one of the things like howie long used to to to uh to play pickup basketball to stay in shape in the off season. That was the off season program. Yeah. Apparently some little dude got in his face because Howie tried to walk on court one right at the beginning,

but there's like a system where you have to go to court four and like win your way up. And Howie like intimidated him. Howie was going to court one. He had Lyle Lazzato with him too. Like he, you know what probably happened is Lyle was probably like

we're going on court one kid. And dad's like, whatever you say, sir. And then they went on court. court one. Okay. So let's do this draft. Damn, Dad. All right, so it's 90s nostalgia

NFL draft. Code break. Planning to go five rounds. Hold on. I don't think that's okay. If you can't back it up then that's a code break, but I'm sure you sat on court one for a while. If you deserve to be on court one, stay on court one. He's probably playing in one of these fucking white men can't jump courts where it's a bunch of, you know,

guys in their skivis. Ryan Rosillo Megabole. Yeah, like with less skills though. Yeah. Prime Ryan Rosillo or Prime Howie Long on the basketball court? What do you think?

Professional athlete, Howie Long. No disrespect to Ryan Rissillo, but. Ryan would answer Howie, I'm pretty sure. Do you think? Ask him.

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All right, you got first pick, dude. That's good. John Madden. Miss John Madden and Pat Summerall. Can they be one pick? We'll give them, yeah, yeah. I miss them. I miss, you know, the turkey thing, you know, circling the turkey on the telestrator man. The people actually eating the turkey. I feel like now it's kind of socially

unacceptable to like eat the turkey post-pandemic. Right. I know everyone's kind of just staring at it and like, I don't know what you do now. In the 90s, you just ate that shit. Right. You just dive right in. And John Madden was like, oh, there he goes. I miss John Madden. I miss John Madden being on the cover of a video game. Like, not even the player. Just John Madden in a different white guy in a, in like an office outfit, because you just got a, you know, a dress shirt with the sleeves rolled up and a tie, dress pants with the belt. Jim Halpert got his fit from John Matt. Yes. 100%. 100%. With the fucking, with the sleeves rolled up and a skinny tie and like, looking all like, oh, uh, yeah. Jim Halpert, that's, that's a office play. Jim Halpert was just like,

I'm going to dress like John Madden until someone recognizes it. And today's the day. It was 22. So, yeah, I first pick John Madden and Pat Summerall. All right. I will go number two. My pick is, whoo. I'm going,

Chris Berman. He's still out here, though. I know he's still out here, but he's not, you know, prime time and Chris Berman. He's, you know, Monday night. He does the halftime show, but I miss him Sundays. You see him all the time. him and him and Tom they're just hanging out and going whoop you've dominated some drafts for

but I don't know because I don't know if this one people are going to think is Chris Berman good pick great pick I had he could go all the way at the very top of my board but oh well um I'm going to take the St. Louis Rams oh great a show on turf there's no team there anymore. I know when you played for the St. Louis Rams, it was not all that enjoyable, but the late 90s, St. Louis Rams, Marshall Faw, Kurt Warner. Yeah, yeah, Greatest Show on Turf. You might not win this draft. I feel like I'm going to Leon Lett a little bit here because I feel like some people are going to say, you know, Chris Berman's still here. Some people are going to say St. Louis Rams were really bad because they don't remember the greatest show on turf. They remember my team.

that brought shame to the brand i'm nostalgic for an era when my when the opinions of twitter didn't matter right yeah that's fucking good that's good except we will be checking to see who won this draft because that really means a lot to us yeah i love how after the 90s draft nobody said anything which i took to mean that everybody thought i won and just didn't want to talk about exactly that's probably what it was um go ahead we're second round now second round no snake draft. It's just a rotator. Okay. So you're next. Screw you making.

Giant cigarette ads. That's good. A big Winston. The big Winston sign. It's like a hundred foot wide cigarette ad. That's when America, America hasn't changed. It's still the most, one of the most dangerous places in the world. But like, those were the days when people were just like concussions and cigarettes. You know what I mean?

It was just unapologetic. And now we do it on the low. We're like, oh, he passed protocol. You know, no cigarette ads. We're going to ban menthols and shit. I remember when we were in middle school, there was this rumor that one of our teachers had been the Marlboro Man.

And it was actually true. That he was? Yeah, that before he had worked as a teacher, he had been like working in advertising or something. Who was that? Mr. D. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we did have one of the Marlboro.

men. One of them, there's a bunch of them is like James Bonds. Yeah, exactly. They cycle through them. Okay, second round, second pick. My pick, we're going number two, I want cowboy collars. I want the cowboy collars on my side. We haven't seen many of them, you know, last couple years. I love seeing the nice, beefy, you know, quasi-modo looking dudes running around on the field from the middle linebacker position to the D-line position, even a couple O-line guys had them, fullbacks, all over the fullbacks. So like a white Howie Long or a McDavid. Yes.

Like McDavid, you know, Alvin Mack in the program. Yep. You know what I'm saying? I want Alvin Mack. I want that one because that has the curve, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big tall jokers. Yep.

Any cowboy collar will do. All right. I'll take a. Kickoff returns. Love kickoff returns. One of the most exciting plays in football. You almost never see them anymore. So is the wedge off the board now?

No. I don't know. What do you think? I would say yes. I'd say the wedge is off the board. Yeah, it's all kind of in the same. Sorry, if that was on your big board. No, fuck.

You know, the wedge, the wedge wasn't on the big board. Is it me now? It's you. Zubas. Zubas. Yeah, dude. The pants. Yeah, yeah.

You know the pants? Nice. It wasn't a joke. Dude, people really wore Zubas. My dad had like a bunch of Zubas at the house. Like the way we had gray undershorts, like those were their gray undershorts. They were electric and fans wore them everywhere.

I had like 12 Zubas when I was in the NFL because you can buy Zubas now. Did you know that? Uh-uh. Yeah, our D-Line, I got us a bunch of Zubes. Rocking Zubas. Robert Quinn was rocking Zubas at the facility. It was awesome.

It was like a little 90s thing. Z, U-B-A-Z. I didn't know. That's kind of cool. The go-to leg apparel for NFL players and Jim Meatheads during the end of the First Bush administration. That diagram is a circle. Yep. My number three, I'm going to go Super Bowl logos.

They were so much better in the 90s. So clean, really good. a Super Bowl logo draft very early in this show. They just looked really, really good, a lot better. So Super Bowl logos are my number three. All right, for my third pick, I'm going to take the NFL quarterback skills challenge. That was always one of my favorite television events. I loved seeing the quarterbacks throw at the moving bull's eyes.

Vividly remember Randall Cunningham just, like, dominating. Yeah, and I wonder why they haven't done it since. You think they could, you think they couldn't get the, they couldn't pay the players enough to do it. I think the players are afraid of looking bad or like, you think they're scared to do a skills challenge now. I would love to see Josh Allen just throwing into like a moving bus, like one open window on the bus.

Yeah. You know, like look at what, um, hit Wilcompton in the head. Yeah, hit Wilcompton in the head. Hit William Hayes in the head. Like, so huge linebackers, is that still on the border? is cowboy collars like just the fucking Levan Kirklands of the world Yeah, you know like

Look at Levant Kirkland Um Hey look at, just look at him Just would you just look at it? Just look at him, okay? The guy was 6-1-275 He was an off-the-ball linebacker

Levant Kirkland Lorenzo Levant Kirkland What's his Let's find out his 40-yard dash time. Because 6-1-2... 1990s, you had the biggest linebackers in history. Yeah, he ran a 4-9.

Pretty, pretty good. Vertical leap of 32-5 inches. Good pick. Yeah, he'd be a detackle today. Yep. You know, I'm not, no shade. I'm just saying, like, with that, like, oh, no, he wouldn't, he'd be a defensive end, but they'd say he was too short at 6-1.

Or they'd get him to lose weight in place. Something different. Yeah, probably. And I'm sure these guys could definitely trim down and play today's game. I mean, but there was some huge dudes. Like Bill Romanowski was a fucking tank. Brian Cox. I'll go pick number four.

I want blimps. I want the blimps. When you're floating around you're like, let's check out the view from the blimp today. And it's got a great view of the stadium. It zooms out. I mean, it's cool now. because they can do drones

and they just do drone shots. They don't do the blimp anymore? Not as much, I don't think. I want those blimps because some games used to have two or three blimps and they'd have a shot of the other blimp. You're like, oh, checking in on Snoopy 2. That's a great.

That really is a great pick, dude. I'll take duo sport athletes. Dual sport athletes, yeah. So like back in the 90s, we had Bo, we had Dion, and we had Brian Jordan. We had Brian Jordan, exactly. Yeah. Like, I want to see more of that,

especially the baseball, football crossover which probably won't see again. Is it me? Yep, your final pick. Chris, number five. And we can do six. Do you want to do six? Sure.

All right. Loose jerseys. Loose jerseys. Yeah, guys look cool with shit. I feel like fashion, it like it comes and it goes and then it comes back. And I wonder at what point, we'll probably not in the NFL or in football because it's, you don't want people to grab onto your jersey and shit. like a wide receiver doesn't want to get, you know, spun around like a top because the guy

grabbed his jersey. In those old videos, like dudes would just reach out with an ungloved hand and grab some guy's fucking huge jersey and just spin them around and throw them on the ground with one hand. They're like half those highlights. Dudes are falling slow as shit. Can't do that anymore. No. And those jerseys now are just so much tighter. just built real close. Yeah. And as a rusher, that was good, but it also made you feel kind of fucking uptight sometimes.

Right. And I feel like it's just cool when you see a running back or someone with the ball when they're running down the field, they make a move. Yeah. And you just see it kind of flowing right behind them and they have the tight pants. My five pick,

I'm going to go with quarterbacks and movies. Right now all quarterbacks are in TV commercials. They're just in commercials all over the board. You got Kyler slinging the ball over the locker room and Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers all over those State Farm commercials. I want to bring back the Dan Marino in Ace Ventura. That's good.

Him helping Ace solve the case. The cameos in general. You know who I think ruined those? OJ Simpson. Yeah. You know, because they were like, let's have this guy in the movie. And then he killed somebody.

And I think, you know, producers and directors were like, no, we can't do that anymore. Can't do that. Yeah, it's a bummer because you know, in the off season, Dan, what are you doing? Oh, I'm working out, hanging out, playing some golf, and I'm shooting a movie. That's awesome, man.

There's got to be some pro athletes that have been in some movies since like, you know, as themselves. I'm sure pro athletes, but like the quarterback, the iconic, like the best known. Kevin Garnett and Uncut Jems comes to mine. Uncahy Jams.

Uncle James. How's Julia Fox doing? I wonder what she's thinking right now. The whole Kanye thing. Woo! Yeah. All right, my pick. What about the quarterbacks in the longest yard?

Were they themselves? I'm certainly not arguing the pick. No, no, no. Yeah, and I'm saying like while they were, because Dan Marino was, was. Who would you want to see in a movie right now? what quarterback do you want to see like act awkward in a fucking rom-com so i think josh allen would be the perfect like cameo like it's josh allen from the buffer bill he would have been the perfect

he's cameo guy he'd have mid-length white socks khaki shorts like you know collard shirt tucked into his khakis i don't know what he's doing maybe he's at the grocery store maybe maybe he's at the airport but yeah i could see josh in a movie no no questions asked I feel like if entourage was still on today, Joe Burrow would appear on it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely. For sure. Joe Burrow would be stealing some guy's chick.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Just being super serious and cool and stealing some guys chick. And with the best wardrobe, he's just looking for Christine. And Vinny would be like, Joe, I got to get hooked up with who dresses you. And then around the corner, it's Jamar Chase. Oh, what's up, Vinny? Or Joe just blows him off and drives away.

Right, right. with the girl. Yeah, yeah. I know I'm not winning this draft, so I'm just going to make picks that I like. I'm going to take Jack Kent Cook. Nice. And for those of you that don't know,

I grew up a fan of the Washington football team, which used to have a respectable owner. The owner of Washington formerly Redskins. He didn't get a great representation in winning time, did he? He did not? Right. That's accurate. Oh, yeah, that's where I know.

know from from winning time although i also have a friend that like benefited greatly from a jack kent cook scholarship program so i've always i was reading the i was reading the book uh and and that was one of the early chapters was yeah because he owned the forum yep interesting guy yeah according the winning time damn damn damn damn um um fullbacks the i formation which one do you want i mean like you know one in the same they one of the same one the same just just a bunch of bunch of like pads crunching. It was nine on seven all the damn time. When people say the game has changed,

I think young people really should go back. One of the most fun things you can do, especially if you're stone, is go back and watch 90s football on YouTube. Like go watch the full games, dude. I'll go back. I haven't done it to my dad yet, but I'll go back and look at D. Lyman,

and I'll be like, hey man, you're out of your gap. You know, I'll do that shit to my dad. It's like, hey, I was watching last night. It's Buffalo. jumped off sides a couple times. I do like watching those old games, man, because the game was played so, like it just was different, man,

but you can still see how great the guys are. You can still, like the style of play doesn't matter for a lot of those guys. I think a lot of those guys in the 90s would be just as good now. Obviously, you wouldn't have certain tight ends. There'd be certain, you know, positions on the field that have changed,

but the speed of the game was still pretty fucking fast. It just was played differently. I watch 90s YouTube basketball all the time. And it's similar. It's like such a different pace and style of game. But some guys still stand out. We were like, oh, he'd be amazing right now. And I think guys in the 90s, yeah, like in late 80s, like could still play today easy, right?

Yeah, the best guys for sure. Yeah. But the 90s was cool because it was kind of like the last. And I'm sure people will say this about this era, relatively speaking. But it was like the last era in a world. a really physical time in football, but with today's super athletes starting to pop up. You know, like giant tackles, really fast dudes.

Like just the game was starting to round into form the way it is now, but you still had the old barbaric rules, which is cool as fuck to look at. Yeah, unfortunately, not a lot of the medical advances that we've had. No, no questions asked, but the broadcasts were incredible. The way games were called was so different. Like go back and listen to, you know, it's just A, B, you know, it's play-by-play color commentator.

And the things they talked about, it was so much, it was so much more stringent. It's interesting. Go back on YouTube tonight and watch an old game. It's fun. My number six. You know, I have a couple, I think one is kind of tied into your first pick. I'm going to go Fuzzy TVs

I miss a fuzzy T-fee signal Like a little bit Not clear like we have today You know you can see each piece of that Orange slice on the TV right there But you know you're like I think that player is that I think it's him I'm not sure

And you're not a certain where the ball goes But it's kind of fun A little fuzzy TV action I got one that's controversial you just made me think of. All right. My last pick, expansion teams.

That's good. We haven't had an expansion team in the modern media ecosystem. I feel like Twitter would go crazy trying to tell people what to do

in an expansion draft and who to protect and who not to protect to be so much fun. I mean, it's unthinkable. And that was fun like two new teams just popping up.

It was two, right? Jags and Panthers They went with the cats and then went with Texans. But they were really the oilers. So, yeah, we could use two more. Fuck it. People will watch anything. That's what we've realized recently.

I mean, so yeah. Okay. That's six rounds. We're going to starter jackets. Any NFL draft needs seven rounds, I guess. Seven rounds. That's what we're doing. Just like the old ones.

Well, just like now. No, we should do like the old ones. We should do. How many rounds do they do at the old ones? A lot. Yeah, something like that. No, let's just do seven. I guess I'll do starter jackets.

Starter jackets are great. Did you have a starter jacket growing up? Yeah. What was your collection? I think I had a Panthers. Well, no, yeah, I think I had a Panthers one. Yeah? I'm pretty sure I had a Panthers one.

Silver, blue. I think it was black and teal. Nice. And teal. I think it was white, black and teal. That's clear. How it said. Did you have a Washington starter jacket?

I wish I still had it. It wouldn't fit me. I had a Charlotte Hornet starter jacket. Hell you. It's really really dope that I actually got with saving coupons from the grocery store. Like every time you go to the grocery store, they'd print out some stickers or whatever. And I turned in enough of them that I got a Charlotte Hornet starter jacket. Number seven, I will go, I'll say not having coaching interviews, you know, going into the locker room.

Yeah. I just, you know, I could do without them nowadays. I'm glad they didn't have them back there. question. No, I'm not stoked on my last two picks. College coaches are better. They'll color in a little bit. But these guys, they have bosses for real.

Right. I miss reading the Monday morning newspaper. That is my last pick. I would always read the game summaries every single game Monday morning. You know the standings. Yeah. You definitely know the standings.

Box score. Yeah, box scores. Yeah, box scores. I think some people still go off the box score. They just get it online. So it's a good draft. That was fun. I felt that.

I missed that shit, dude. I miss that shit, dude. I miss the 90s. Can we go back, bro? That'd be nice. To recap, Chris, you went Madden and Summerall, Sigads, Zubaz, big linebackers, loose jerseys, full backs, the eye formation,

and starter jackets. Yeah. Matt, you were St. Louis Rams, kickoff returns, QB skills challenge, dual sport athletes, Jack Kent Cook, expansion teams and Monday morning newspaper game summaries.

I rocked with Chris Berman, Cowboy Collar, the Super Bowl logos blimps, QBs and movies, fuzzy TVs and not having coaching interviews. Which I'm not stoked on my last two. I'm pretty sure you won the draft because like, also I think you know you won the draft because you read all the picks back so people could fill their surveys out.

That's right. you know, think of who won and then write Cowboy Read on Twitter. Yeah, that'd be the best. Pretty much. All right, well, I hope you enjoyed Michael Irvin and thinking about it. And I have a question.

Yeah. Would the John Madden bus be rolled into your pick or would that be a separate pick? Hmm. That was on my board. I didn't want to throw it out because I think that rolled into your pick. If we're talking about things that, you know,

I mean, like, yeah fuck dude that was a great pick on the on the on the i i think it would be the same i think i think there's no john madden without john madden bus right that's that's that's getting down to brass tacks john madden ain't going if if there's no bus rolling yeah exactly oh the little helmets in the in the uh in the damn cereal bro yeah the helmet's in the cereal perfect that's a good pick I brought this up before, Matt. Do you remember the Gatorade tops with the Bulls in six, the Bulls in five? Of course.

Dude used to fucking real deal Holyfield argue over those. Oh, yeah. Like sometimes dudes would shove each other trying to, you know, like. I used to go around the swim club and get everybody's Pepsi points. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, dude.