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Episode Date: August 24, 2023

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Who's a GM or a coach that might call about a player and you're like, what's going on here? This guy's too smart. Is there a GM or a coach that you've had that experience with that? You're like, I've got to watch that guy. Well, I think Howie Roseman's one of those guys. He's very smart. He keeps coming up. Yeah.

And look, Howie and I have done some deals in the past. He's really a bright, bright guy. He's done a great job in Philly. But he's always one of the guys that, okay, I'll get up both hands on my back pockets when I'm talking to how we be done. And I mean that in the most complimentary way. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Thank you for clicking the play button. We've got a blast and a half of an episode for you. Mickey Loomis, the Saints General Manager is on today. He's going to talk to Chris a little bit about

the Saints offseason, the transition from Drew Brees to Derek Carr, his great friendship with Sean Payton and what Sean Peyton meant to this franchise in the culture around the Saints. And then it's a full-blown Chris in Macon show. We get some greenlight updates for you about our softball team and Chris's pumpkin float. We also talk some NFL, the Chris Jones saga in Kansas City. And at the end of the show, we do some over-under betting. Our favorite picture on the NFL, some enticing picks in the college football scene. What are the best over-under bets out there right now?

We're going to go through them all. You're going to go through them all. And hopefully make a little money. You all please enjoy yourself. Make sure to check out the Mickey Loomis full episode on our YouTube channel, like and subscribe. Catch you, when we catch it. You know, one of those sports moments I'll never forget where I was was when all of Tiger Woods skeletons emerged from the closet, like in one day. Wasn't it Thanksgiving?

It was over a couple days. It was like 2010. No, it wasn't Thanksgiving Day. Well, maybe it was Thanksgiving Day, but today. It was finalized. It is the day that Eelon said, no moss. She said, I'm divorcing your ass. And Tigers had some girlfriends since, but I was going to ask you guys who you think should be.

Tiger's new boo. Like, because eventually he's got to settle down, doesn't he? Yeah. Kim Kay wouldn't be the worst. You know, she's jumping around. Yep. To a lot of. And she just struck out with Tom, right?

Right? To a lot of. To a lot of fellas. Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. And, you know, in that Pete Davidson realm, Kate Begginsale. You know, it won't last all that long, but it could be fun.

Yeah. That could be a lot of fun. I could. No, I think she's, I think she likes him younger. Tiger might be. She might like him. She was her age. Renee Zellweger, 54 years of age.

I forgot some questions. 2005, you drag my man's name through the mud. Kenny Chesney. An annulment on account of fraud. Well, I haven't seen you settle down, my lady. Jim Carrey, nah. Kenny Chesney, nah. Bradley Cooper, nah.

You've Tiger run. Tiger, I mean, it's definitely the thing where, you know, you settled down. And then you're like, I'm going to therapy for my sex addiction. you know like it's a real condition and I'm sure it is are there any ladies out there that we could that would be a good celebrity couple name tiger oh tiger shank tiger yeah there you go yeah tiger swank oh yeah Hillary swank yeah you go stay away from her what about you Chris what do you have for a potential tiger woods lady pairing iron tech silicone dolls are the best of all silicone dolls I have had a chance

to see and touch personally. Their finishing is fantastic. The doll that I've reviewed had barely any seam lines. The craftwork is amazing. The skeleton is quite quiet and easy to move. The breasts feel great. The labia looks fantastic and the vagina's a dream.

Only drawback. They are heavy. So are real women. Another review. There was a special foam block protecting the neck along with these air filled plastic containers. And I must tip my hat to Iron Tech here is I believe this is the first time that a doll has been delivered

to me gets a lot of dolls delivered this guy with the neck sitting straight no bend whatsoever so that's impressive on its own I can't count how many times I've received a doll and the neck is bent and that's got to kill the moon when the neck's bent it's good that that guy said reviewed this doll that I reviewed yeah yeah yeah good That's a good resume. I was on Reddit because I was thinking, you know, like, that's the only thing that's going to keep Tiger satisfied is a doll from Iron Tech. They're heavy. That's the only drawback.

What's the name of that review? We might already have Tiger. I didn't get it down. But, yeah, imagining traveling with an Iron Tech doll, you know. Could probably fit in a golf bag. Yeah, no. So I have to bring my extra golf bag. Stuff one in a golf bag.

Anyways, on this day. There was the Tiger Woods divorce. Also, a couple housekeeping kind of items before we get to lay up line. Those people at Dynasty Grid, they caught wind of me playing their game like a crack addict. And they were like, they DM'd me. And they said, do you want to make a grid for us? Wow. That's very cool.

Of all the cool shit that other people might think is cool that happens to me, this is cooler. Yeah. Yeah. So I asked them if they could do sacks. So we've been going back and forth. said, hey, 10 sacks, you know, there's a lot of guys. Let's do 12 plus sacks. That's harder.

So, you know, there's going to be 12 plus sacks on one column. I haven't decided what's going to be in the other column. I get to pick the teams and all that. So that's awesome. Yeah. Did they resolve Clint Sintam today? No, that wasn't them. That was one of their competitors, pro football reference.

And yeah, they have a really clean site. It's a nice looking grid. You can only play it once a day. So that's like, but this morning I go to the grid and I put Clint Cinnamon there because on his Wikipedia page and I don't even need to go there. He's my college roommate. He got a ring for the 2011 Giants in the Super Bowl. That was the Manningham Super Bowl.

He was hurt all year. But he has a fucking ring. I've seen the ring. Okay. So he should be in that bottom right grid. It was giant Super Bowl champion. No dice. Got to talk to the folks at Pro Football reference about that. You can pick Aaron Ross. You'd get point one. And there's also two UVA alums.

Giants, uh, Giants. No, that it worked for Patriots and Chiefs. Oh, Danny Aiken. That's okay. And then Juan Thornhill. Yeah. I thought about just filling it all out, Virginia guys. Danny Aiken was a nice 0.04. Oh, was he 0.04? Well, I'm going to get on my wife's phone tonight. How do you like that pro football reference? And I'm going to fucking ace the thing. Okay. Get your shit together. Get your house in order. I'm doing Dynasty Daddy deals, man. Okay. You got a hello? Beaverton, Oregon. Hello! DJ Owee's been named

starting quarterback for our 18th ranked Oregon State Beavers. Wouldn't it be special if they went out with a bang in the PAC 12? Before the program is disbanded. Yeah, they're ranked, bro.

Yeah. All right, so anyways, speaking of things that are orange, we have a pumpkin broker update. That's the way in our staff meeting that Matt put it yesterday. He's like, I have a pumpkin broker update. What's the update, Matt?

Yeah, shout out to Serene in Minnesota. who we connected with. She gave us information about pumpkin growers all over the country. Found a local guy in Culpepper. Reed and I are going to go visit him tomorrow. He's trying to break the state record for both green and orange pumpkins. He's a tannerite enthusiast. He's promised us that he will blow up a pumpkin for our amusement tomorrow.

So we're super excited. And we're also going to be going to a pumpkin way off where we can purchase additional pumpkins if need be. So it's all happening. Y'all boys come to Culpeper. We'll blow up a pumpkin. Dude, I'm really excited about this. For the people that don't know, I'm going to attempt to break a world record. I always wanted to break a world record.

When I was a kid, I used to look at the Guinness Book of World Records, and I'd sit there on the shitter until my legs fell asleep. I think about the things that I could or couldn't do. And now I finally, with an endless budget of my own money and a company that I have held hostage for four years, I'm going to get to break a world record under the guise of work. I got to tell my wife last night. I was like, so in late September, we were kind of going through dates. I'm like, yeah, I've got this thing.

You know, like, Wayland's got this starting. And then late in September, if we get a good rain, I've got to go up to the, the Delaware River and float in a thousand pound pumpkin for 19 miles. It should take, according to the engineers of 47 miles. Oh, 19 hours, 47 miles. I keep mixing that up. It's a way different deal. Yeah.

Okay. So 19 hours, 47 miles. miles yeah a little somewhere between like two and three miles per hour and the current record is just under 40 but according to our sources there's other individuals seeking to break this record this season and listen this is probably going to make waves in the pumpkin extreme sports community but like if y'all are listening just let me have it for a day yeah you know then go break it and fucking i don't know you know every heavyweight title fighter that ever fought and held the belt was a heavyweight champion. I don't care if I'm

Buster Douglas. You know, like just give me my day, dude. So like if you're out there and you want to break my record and you do this shit for fun on a regular basis, just let me have my day. So anyways, we're going to be going up to it's, fuck, where is it? Milford

Pennsylvania, going down to Belvedere, New Jersey, and we want people to come to the river. We'll announce it. I'm sure many of you will show up. Just, you know, hang out on the banks. And why there? Placid Placid waters. Flacid.

Friendly flaccid waters. Placid waters. That's why. Okay. You can't say placid anymore. I think about Lake Placid and not the, you know, the training center. I think about the big alligator. But the waters are relatively placid.

It's a safe river. Consistently deep enough to travel. Consistently deep enough to travel. There's one rapid. Probably going to start at like 3 a.m. And the plan is to float until, you know, you do the math. like 11 p.m. the next night. So I'll be doing some paddling.

I'll be doing some hanging out, maybe some reading. Okay, maybe I'll play grids the whole way down the fucking river. Maybe you'll fall through the pumpkin on minute seven. And you'll be home a few hours later. No, I don't think so.

If I fell through the pumpkin, that could be dangerous. You get partially caught in the bottom of the pumpkin, just drowning in a pumpkin. Man, he died doing what he loved. Yeah. I'm like a Delaware cross. officially like I'm in that fraternity.

Maybe the most famous. As Kyle would say, take that, Lincoln. It's a tight-knit community of people that have crossed Delaware. I'm going to be one of them. So we got some football news, football news. Chris Jones is big news, man. This Chris Jones thing, we've been keeping an eye on it, is huge news. He's talking about I'm going to hold out till the trade deadline,

which basically means like I'm not playing around. Andy Reid says he hasn't talked to him in a while. And I think it's a big, big deal. I think, you know, like people might underestimate how big a deal it is. Number one, he's the most indispensable defensive player to his defense in the league. Like, argue with me. You can't. Love the take.

You can't. Love it. Aaron Donald might be the best player in the league defensively. You know, you could argue that Miles Garrett could be a better player this year. I mean, Chris Jones is 29, which is going to factor into these trade talks. But Chris Jones on the Kansas City Chiefs defense with everywhere they want to go is a huge deal losing him. I mean, like the drop off when it comes to star power, talent, the whole thing. And I'm not being disrespectful to Carlottis or some of these guys up front.

Some of the young guys they have is huge. And if you're a Chiefs fan and you're shaking your head at me, I think you're in denial. It's going to be hard to win without this guy defensively. Steve can generate pressure and all that stuff. But it helps a lot. Look at the end of the season last year. Look at the Bengals game. You know, look at Super Bowls.

Look at key moments. Anytime they need to lift defensively is Chris Jones. Everything goes through Chris Jones. So if you lose him for half the season, if you lose him for the entire season, if you trade him, things are going to be different. And the question is, if you're Andy Reid, what do you do? If you're Brett Veach, what do you do?

I'm doing everything in my power to resign this guy. Everything in my power. Now, a fan of the show might have been Ed from Minneapolis. He was like, man, I don't know. We said this on the pot a couple weeks ago that this guy's incredible. It was Dexter Lawrence. He got paid, right, this off season. And I said, I can't wait to see what Chris Jones gets paid.

And somebody well actually made with his age. He's 29 years old. And yeah, that fact, I mean, that factors into the comps for a trade that may or may not happen when you look at Chris Jones. But I think he's got years of dominance left. He didn't drop off last year, not that I saw, unless you're watching different tape than me. So when you look at Chris Jones and you look at the comps for a trade for somebody like that, like generally, when you look at a top five player, what are you getting two ones for him

defensively, a top five player? The Rams offered two ones for Brian Burns last year. I don't mean to be disrespectful. But Brian Burns is not Chris Jones. He's not in his hemisphere. There's like five people in Chris Jones's hemisphere on the defensive side of the football, especially up front in the NFL.

This guy can wreck games. So, and the fact you move him inside and outside, all that stuff. Just listen to how Kyle Long talks about him. Kyle's fucking in a football sense, terrified of the guy. Yeah. You know? Which, like, Kyle's big, big tough dude.

But this guy's just, I mean, When Kyle talks about Chris Jones, he talks about the fact, and I always noticed this, he's running full speed. His pad level looks high. He's one of the sneakiest explosive players on the field, any given Sunday. And you look at Brian Burns, two ones, you look at, I mean, you could bring up Mac. It feels like eons ago, dude. But he was 26. Noel, what was the compensation for the Mac trade?

Yeah, so they had the first in 29. first in 2020 and then also a sixth in 2019 and a third of 2020 so as a boatload of picks i mean like you look at the the ramsie trade which of course second level guy but he's 25 he's at the end of his rookie deal uh 20 21st and a 21 one and a four that same year so um you know i wouldn't be surprised to see two ones and some pieces thrown around on a trade like this and if i'm somebody who's serious about winning right now it's a lot easier to find a trade partner for a guy like Jones than it is Jonathan Taylor, for instance. Like it's a complicated situation when you try to actually fit a running back into

your team plans who's going to demand that much compensation. But when you look at a defensive tackle, anybody could use somebody like Chris Jones, anybody because he's the best interior guy in the league not named Aaron Donald. Problem is you can't really trade for picks because you're trying to win right now. Who? Chiefs. Yeah. No.

You're trying to win right now, but what you're saying is maybe you could throw a player in there. Yeah. Like, you know, if you called Philly and you were like, give me Fletcher Cox and some other shit. Like, I'm just off top of my head where you get a player back in return who's still pretty good. And then you can accumulate some capital. But what you're really trying to do is get out of cap hell and remove the distraction that is a guy that rightfully so wants to get paid. And the team is going to trade with him. The dance partner doesn't need the cap space because you're just going to, you're going to trade for him.

You're going to sign him. You're going to be able to move money around as a result. to that so i think somebody needs to make this deal i mean some teams on the list that we were coming up with cowboys you know patriots you know what bill would bill would fucking cream over chris jones sea hawks you know the question you like that quote i unfortunately i i pictured it which is why i began to laugh here's what it looks like he's got to the clicker. Chris Jones

bull rushes somebody. He just goes right back to the end zone coffee. You know, like he's like, that was an inconvenient. I don't have a change of pants. Every once in a while.

He has no need for that stuff in his life. So he's just like, all right. Thank you for that. Seahawks. But like with the Seahawks. But like with the Seahawks.

Hawks, you got Gino, like you don't know what's going to be what in one, two years. I mean, you need draft capital. So you're going to give up a bunch to go get a guy to win right now. I don't know. They're kind of close. Steelers, you got your QB, you could make a move. You know, the bills, they made a run at JJ a couple of years back. This is even more tantalizing.

I mean, Jags, I would love him in Jacksonville. Yeah. If they could shore up the middle of that defense, Trayvon Walker, Josh Allen, you know, some nice young pieces there. That defensive line could be kind of scary. They got pretty good depth, I feel like, and they're exciting. I mean, like the Jags would be great, and another team would be the Lions. It's out of left field, you know?

I don't think anybody thinks about the Lions, like, because I think fans, when a trade happens, it's either their team or they want like an interesting destination. Lions might not interest people, but they're players, man. They are real players this year. And defensively, you pair him with Aidan Hutchinson. With James Houston, Charles Harris, they've got some pieces there. So there will be teams calling. Two teams have already called about Jonathan Taylor.

Okay. And he's a hurt running back who wants a boatload of money. And the Colts have given him until August 29th to find a suitable trade partner. So he's got to Tuesday. Which is cut day. And at that point, if he's still in the roster, they have to put him on the shelf for four games. because of PUP. I think if I understand that correctly.

So there's a couple factors with that trade that complicate the trade for both sides and with Chris Jones. It's like, do you want a guy that can wreck an entire offense's day? Do you want that guy? Here's what it's going to take. Like, do you want to win a Super Bowl if you're one of these teams? Because this is a guy that can actually put you over the edge.

I would have loved the Ravens for him, but they just signed Clowny. Well, and I don't know that that would be an out-of-left-field place for him. I, you know, Clowny, I think, makes sense there. Clowny made more sense to me than, like, Chase Young, as weird as that sounds, because I actually have a lot of respect for Clowny

when he's played hard, like, his game. Yeah. You know, the heights of, you know, his highlight tape is, it just depends on who you get. Are you the guy trying to make another $10 million dollars? Are you taking a year off or what? I don't know. And maybe I'm oversimplifying that.

But the Ravens, they're going to get a guy who's capable of, capable in the run game. He moves around. He's capable in the past game. You can be multiple with him. He's older. I don't know if you're going to have him like as a floater like he was in Houston just all over the field. But I like that fit. You know, so there were people talking about Chase Young in Baltimore. I just felt like a veteran who's proved something already. And that's not a shot at Chase Young. He's coming off injury. He's had one real good year. I want to see more. Clownie, I know what he's capable of. It's just about pulling the right puppet strings.

Chiefs won 14 games last year. Win total is 11 and a half this year. Schedule's pretty soft early, but then after the buy, it's Eagles, bills, bingles. Do you just count on it being Reed, Spags, Dave Tobe? Because without Chris Jones,

the third best player is Creed Humphrey? Oh, no, no, no. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey. Right, right. I'm saying without Chris. Without Chris, yeah, yeah.

It's Patrick and it's Travis, and then who? I mean, the skill players of Pacheco, Tony, Valdez, Scantling, Skymore. It's not scary many people. I'm not being disrespectful, but like you would categorize these guys as guys more than stars. Right.

You know, and guys, I say that with their NFL fucking vets. Not blue chippers. Sneed is a fucking hell of a player, but he's not a blue chip guy, but he's a guy that jumps off the tape for me. You know, some of these young guys, I think they got to have, they lost Frank Clark. You got Nick Bolton, who's a hell of a player. Nick Bolton, to me, is a stud. Okay, and he can cover a lot of things up, but you know whose job gets a lot fucking harder?

Nick Bolton. Yeah. You know? Let me tell you about Nick Bolton's day when Chris Jones gets traded. You just lock the car doors, roll the windows up and scream. Like, that's what I would do if I was Nick Bolton, dude. I mean, just fucking Justin Reed's a nice player. You know, McDuffie.

They got some nice pieces in the secondary. And that's at least good because if you lose rush, you need guys who can cover. and hold up. And then Spags can simulate and manufacture pressure. Like so if any team can do it, I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth here. Like there are some, they have a fighting chance because who's playing quarterback, the experience they have defensively. And they always get better as a year goes on. But imagine how low the floor is for a team that comes out of the gate slow defensively without a Chris Jones. It's a big adjustment. I don't know who you challenge me with. Like we were talking about this, Max Crosby, hell of a player on a defense that's desolate outside him.

You know, they made the trade for Marcus Peters, but, you know, like the difference between them getting relegated and being 27 in the league defensively is Max Crosby. But I'm talking about good teams. Same thing with the Rams. I just don't believe it this year. So this is the most important defensive player in the league. You could say that about Miles Garrett maybe, maybe Michael Parsons, but they're kind of stacked defensively in certain spots. They have other stars in Dallas. Maybe Dexter Lawrence, too.

Dexter Lawrence is fucking, yeah, especially relative to the guys around them. Just as a zero and the three, four. Like, it's pretty important. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know if it's panic time for the Chiefs. It's never panic time for the Chiefs. I'm not going to panic if I'm the Chiefs, but it is a big deal. And we have a Chiefs interview next week.

I don't want to say who. Do you know? No. Is it Priest Holmes? What? That's funny? Why'd that come into your head? Dahlia.

I was thinking about chiefs. You got grids on the brain. All right, let's get into Swamp Kings, bro. We've been watching some TV. Dog. All right. Granted, they have the benefit of nearly 20 years. And what's most impressive about hard knocks

is that they turn around entertaining content so quickly. but watching Swamp Kings followed by Hard Knocks, it was like watching Varsity followed by JV. I mean, this got me fired up for ball. It's not fair to Hard Knocks. Not fair. Because Hard Knocks is produced beautifully. It really is.

I haven't watched this episode one, but just because I know what happens. I know what happens. By the way, Jeff Fisher didn't say that he was against the cuts on TV. If you notice, he was like, he kind of glossed over it. He was like, I enjoyed Hard Knocks. this is a really well-produced doc. Yes.

Right? Four episodes on Netflix. They're all out now. We've watched the first one. Whatever we say is not going to spoil any. By the way, yeah, just get on the Wikipedia. You tell you what happened to Florida. But I accidentally last night started watching episode two as well.

Not in the way I usually do, which is the start episode two. But I just was sitting there in a fog and episode two started. I was taking some notes or whatever. And in the first three minutes before the fucking. intro ends. You've got Tebow talking about his little league football coach. Little League football coach tells the team at the end of the first season, it's all about having fun. And to which Tebow responds, I thought, is this America? This doesn't seem very fun to me at all. And he told his coach, it's all about winning, cut to a montage of him trucking people and Urban Meyer calling him a gorilla

at quarterback. So Tebow's the monster in the movie, right? Tebow can't. carries this documentary. It's still a good documentary, but Tebow is the one who's really enthralling for me. Correct. He gets up off the ground after trucking people in high school and is ramming himself into his teammates yelling, I will not be stopped. Bro. And his like 170 pound off his tag was like, dude, you got to chill out. You got to stop. Please stop. Hey, listen, that was like assault on a minor. Yeah. That was a grown man down there in, And where was he from? Jacksonville.

Jacksonville. Is he the greatest Jacksonville of all time up there with Ronnie Van Zant? Like who else is from Jacksonville? Because I think you might have that on lock. This guy, is he the most famous college football player of all time? Oh, nice. Is he?

Boz is in the conversation. I know, but it's 2023. Tim Tebow. I think it is Tim Tebow. It's probably Tim. And, you know, like, as I was sitting here watching this, I was like, man, it's so awesome. It'd be so easy to scale this.

Like, you could do this with the 2000. 10 Utah Uts, like 13 and O season, and they get, they get stiffed and the BCS don't get to play, Urban Meyer, Irvin Meyer wins the national championship, but like, you do this with any team. Name an era, I would watch fucking, I would watch Paul Johnson for a year at Georgia Tech running the option. Like, there's great stories in every college football program, but the thing that makes this difference is Tebow. You don't have that with other dogs.

I took a little bit of issue with they're making Florida out to be something. and I don't think it is. Which is what? I don't know. Alabama of the last 10 years, Georgia the last five. They had won one national title under Spurrier. They had won like six SEC titles in 75 years. I just, I didn't think the Florida fans were as rabid as they were being made out to be five minutes in.

I mean, Siler, the guy who's interviewed says girls were fainting. Really? I believe it, dude. Girls were fainting. Dude, the swamp's insane. When I think about iconic football scenes, you know, you have cityscapes, you have stadiumscapes, the stadiumscape of that big wall. This is. Just like the sea of people.

The swamp. The swamp, dude. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful place. They're rabid about football. And boy, Paul Feinbaum is a dramatic mother. You do not? I have the, hold on.

Hold on you got the same pose. You want to read one of them. I read the other. I got one. Okay. Florida played in the southeastern conference. We call it. the SEC. We call it the SEC.

Like Paul, who are you talking to? Yeah, we all know what the SEC is. People have stumbled upon this documentary. They know about college football. College football in the South is a life or death experience. Every time you lose in the SEC, you suffer a death. I'm like, holy shit, dude. Are we watching a snuff film or a fucking or a fucking documentary about a football team? A player's talking about no team issue gear. Okay, you hear about that a lot. Stadium steps. You hear about that a lot. Then these mat drills, it looks like middle school out there,

except instead of doing V-sits, you're trying to kill your teammate. Okay, so. It was Vietnam! I have an issue. I have an issue. I can't remember if I did that very same drill. Like, watching this documentary, dude, brought me closer to being 22 years old than anything I've ever watched. We were in college.

You were playing college football at the time. Because not only were, what a life college football is, first off, okay? You get to go out there playing in front of 60,000 people, or if you're at the swamp, like much more, many more. And then at the end of the game, you get to walk back to your apartment, go get drunk with all your friends all night, get home, watch your fucking sports center on your ginormous TV that's on wheels because it was 2008, fall asleep with a dip in, watching seeing if your highlights were on TV, which they never were. It was always Florida. But these were the guys. like if you name teams like this and college football games that were iconic over that era, it's like a drug of nostalgia for me.

And watching not only as a college football fan, somebody who was living it, but watching it, all the stuff they did, we did. You know, I think part of where the doc missed was they tried to lean too heavily into, you know, Florida was this place that was, it was, you couldn't tolerate it. It was so hard. I mean, it was probably very hard. And Urban Meyer is a fucking dictator. But he's not the only one.

The difference between playing in Virginia and Florida is about four wins. Okay. And we were doing, because I was listing all the shit that I recognized, the pit drills. I'm not sure if we did them or not. I can't remember. We did so much hard shit. They were talking about midnight lifts, bro. I had to pause the thing, dude.

We did a midnight lift. We lifted until 2 a.m. in the morning. Okay. And guys had their faces painted. But like more hardcore than T. Tebow, me, John Phillips from the softball team head. And a couple guys, Clint Sinnam, who pro football reference has never heard of, fucking amateurs.

We painted our faces like dead presidents. I looked huge, bro. I'm ashamed to show the picture because I think people are going to think I was on steroids. No, it's because we were lifting until 2 a.m. in the morning. The bars were closing. Okay? So we were doing the same things. You talk about like humiliation.

You talk about, and I love Tim Tebow's line. It was praise or. embarrassment and that's college football was that yeah that's college football dude i don't care where you played and i'm not blaming out grow out grow is one of my favorite people ever but i'm saying whoever your college football coach was you experienced praise and embarrassment and you know you talk about like visitor locker room steak and lobster for the champions club the whole thing we had a champions club and i put two and two together it was after they did their champions club so i'm pretty sure we kind of fell down that urban mire tree indirectly when it came to all this stuff if you weren't getting

your shit done, guys had to walk around the building in these pink shirts to say, I'm not getting it done. You know, like there was a dinner with steak and lobster for guys that were high achievers in the weight room, in the classroom, but more so in the weight room. They talk about guys were laughing on the plane and then two, two kids were kicked off the team on the tarmac. And they have incredible B-roll of a yellow Dodge Challenger with Florida plates pulling out of an airport, as if they had that footage. of some kid who was likely going home on a college bus. And that lease is probably not going to clear next month.

Correct. When I traveled with Virginia, under three coaches, so I won't reveal which one mostly because I can't remember, we had support staff on the back of the plane who were laughing after a loss, and they flew commercial the rest of the year. Same stuff.

Virginia. Humiliation. same stuff. But that's college football, dude. Like there was a ton of stuff that I was just like, yeah. We used to do Oklahoma so long. Oklahoma drill, everybody knows what it is now. Like, you don't even see it in camp. We did it for 30 minutes straight at the end of practice on the lower field down there where it was like a fucking swamp. I vividly remember this, this practice where guys are down there doing Oklahoma. The line's like three people long. Okay, like they have five Oklahoma pods. So it's not like you're like saved by a long line or anything like that, at least in New

when we did one-on-one tackle, I got the size up, Mark, Martellus Bennett for a half hour, and then I get up there, he gets on a line. James Deppelin separates my shoulder, basically. But in college, it was like there was no end to it. And I remember this guy, Quaku Robinson, who's my guy. He was out there doing Oklahoma. He fell out with a full body cramp, and he's on the ground like a fish out of water, like just, you know, like twitching.

And we have this coach run over and start screaming at him. And he's straddling him and screaming at him. And all of a sudden, it looked like the guy got hit with a sniper. He gets on the ground too, and he's in a full-body cramp. So the Oklahoma drill is so hard that everybody's full-body cramping, and these guys end up in the training room laying on tables right next to each other. The coach that was cussing this guy and the guy who was on the ground. So it was just, and Tim Tebow's comment at the end of this montage was,

I mean, fuck, we ran stadium steps at 6 a.m. Sex. You said sex. That's what they were probably doing now and there. Not Tim. It was awesome, is what Tim Tebow said. And I totally believed him. Like his face just lit up. He goes, that lift was like one of the best nights of my life.

And I was like, damn, dude, you're not doing much, huh? You know, but Tim loved it. Did you get tripped up at all about what Urban inherited? Because they were number five in the country four games into his first season. And that's the thing, dude. And that's the thing. This is a puff piece in essence, because. All the stuff they ignored.

They ignored Aaron Henderson or Aaron Henderson. They ignored Aaron Hernandez. They did ignore Aaron Henderson. Maryland linebacker. E.J. Henderson. Yeah. My boy. They ignored Aaron Henderson.

Yeah, they did any time on the turf. And then the guy that murdered people, they didn't mention him at all. Have they, all the four episodes? Are we not going to circle back? They don't. They don't. They don't. They don't.

They don't. Percy Harvins barely in it. The Percy Harvin fight's not in there. You know, like Urban Myers' leave of absence in 2010. the heart attack. Yeah, they got fucking drug by Bama and six hours later he's in the hospital and he's like, I don't know if I can coach anymore. That's my problem with these Netflix untold things is that they're so reliant upon who they get

the interviews from that they end up portraying reality more favorably towards those interviews subjects. Who's going to do the thing? For you to, like, it just goes so counter to a football player's like kind of make up to get in front of a camera and trash your college teammates and your coach. So, you know, it's just like in the NFL. when somebody needs support, you know, who's being painted in a bad light, you're only going to hear the positive from the people on that team.

So somebody will say, well, Chris Long said Carson Wentz is a good guy. You know, I really do think Carson Wentz is a good guy, but you see how guys aren't going to want, even if they don't like Carson, they're not going to want to speak out. That's why you have it, you know, behind closed doors to a reporter with a tape recorder, not on Netflix. So you knew this was going to be like his guys, Spikes, Siler, all those guys, right?

And they're just going to gloss over all. shit but i will watch it just for the value of being back in that time and place and that's what this sports stock is about like the shots of that cramped locker room in tennessee gave me chills bro loud voices in the bathroom there's no room for a fucking whiteboard you know guys are it's cramped you can hear the the ceiling shaking you know and you're down there and you're just you get out there and it's like zombie nation comes on and guys if i was 30 and tried to jump as much as I jumped during Zombie Nation pregame, I'd fall out

and die. I'd be next to Urban Meyer with Gerd. And being on the road, way cooler than being on. Way cooler. You will never find a closer group of 100 people than a football team on the road, trying to win a football game at, like, Neeland

or something, unless you're like in Mosul and it's 100 troops and you're like, we have paint this water tower. So, I mean, like, it brought me back, dude. Headline for me is Tim Tebow, is deciding between Florida and Alabama and Thibu's dad says, I believe, go pray,

I believe God will put on your heart where you're supposed to go. God does not come through. God does not put it on his heart. Tim wakes up in the morning. He's like, God didn't say anything. I got to go pray with my dog. Call God.

So he takes his golden retriever to the lake. He prays a little longer and God's like, oh, you should go to the place down in Florida where they're going to be doing the murder and all that. And then also, by the way, Shula's down there. He's, you know, Shula spent 12, was Shula the difference?

Shula was at Alabama? He was at Bama. Yeah, Mike Shula. Yeah, Mike Shula. Yeah, Mike Shula, God, was like, no, I don't. Mike Shula, an official record of 10 and 23 in four seasons after a few vacated when. Shula spent 12 hours at Tim Tebow's barn. 12 hours, dude.

By the way, I loved it. And I watched things with subtitles when gentle music playing came on. and then they had Tim Tebow shirtless clutching of football, like a maternity shoot in front of his barn. It was incredible. I mean, some of those names, Monterio Hardesty,

Tyrone Pro Throw, Joseph Adai. Those will be fun names for the 40-year-olds in the audience. Lord's Prayer on 2X before kickoff. I mean, they were running through that bad boy. I miss kickoff returns. That was cool to see,

one or two. But Ervin, man, like you, just to put a, on it. By the way, we forgot about the Urban Meyer commercial. That was one of my favorite parts.

Urban Meyer on offense. My offensive philosophy, score and score fast, like a fast break on turf. Cut to an awkward scene of him possibly checking out the makeup. Go back and look. She's like 60 years old.

So anyways, I just, you say they're not Bama, they're not Georgia, which they're probably not in importance. Not even the Tennessee in my mind. But what they did is they started that SEC run. You know, if you look at, you know,

Urban Meyer kind of fucked up college football. From 1990, 2005, there were three or four, I think Natty champs from the SEC, BCS or otherwise, none consecutively. And since then, I think it's been 13 of 17, seven SEC national champs in a row starting with Florida in 2006. Clemson twice, Ohio State, twice, Florida State twice.

I never thought I'd say this, but thank God for Clemson. So, you know, 2006, you have to, you have to consider what it would have been like to be in Gainesville playing for that team. A hundred years since the program started and the 10-year anniversary of the national championship. On top of that, basketball won in 06 and 07. Yeah. The only team ever to win two titles in basketball and football the same year. And on top of that, it was Ohio State and Florida in both sports. Right.

So wild time to be there. And Tebow's first play. That was his first, first play. Yeah, the fourth and one they need to have at Tennessee. They put them in just to run over a couple people and he does it. 2008, Nate, Dr. Fax and I were at the BCS championship, Tebow and Bradford. We were down in Florida and that was your Utah got stiff. You know, that team outscored top 25 teams by almost 200 points.

Wow. So, you know, wild, wild stress. for them. And I'm hooked. I'm going to watch it. Ditto. Hard knocks. You didn't miss a whole lot. Yeah. The max subtitles. I'm a subtitle guy are four seconds behind what's going on. Yeah, I got to turn them off. Yeah. And after watching Arbor Meyer yell at guys. And then you hear the receivers coach, the judge receivers coach, he goes, talk to me, guys, honest opinion of today. It was just like, well, you can see why Urban Meyer can't talk to professional athletes. like he did to the college kids.

The grown man. Yeah. Although he did say, he said, I don't know the streets, you know? Right. Right. Hey, and put that Bill Parcells sounder in the pod right here. I caught Bill Parcells. I was watching old time football yesterday.

Bill Parcells was talking to the running back. And he was like, just go out there and run. Don't think about anything. It's like one of those street gangs. You remember them? Oh, God. You worry about doing everything perfect. Now, just get out there and run like hell and catch it, all right?

You know what I mean? Like a street game. Remember them? All right. That's what this is. All around Jets facility is A, G, NB, all gas, no break. Yeah. Should it be breaks?

All gas, no brakes. Yeah, and honestly, they stole that from the St. Louis Rams. Now, we didn't do it as well because they're better team, but we had all gas, no breaks, merch, the whole thing. What's next? Are they sack city? fights broke out during the joint practice and Kyle Trask at one point is asking for a flag. Like two guys are wrestling and he's going like, he's looking at the official.

That's a great thing about being a quarterback. Like people can't touch you and you're not allowed to fight. Damien Woody has seven kids. Robert Sala has seven kids. Yeah. With the fight thing, it was funny because at one point they were showing a bunch of like a fight going on and Baker Mayfield was in there pulling dudes apart and then they cut to Aaron Rogers. saying, oh, look, we got another one to Baker Mayfield.

The same. Oh, yeah, yeah. They really did a lot. I think Baker could throw a couple bows. Respectfully, I cannot bring myself to care about Tanzel Smart, who's one of these fringe guys who's going to get cut or not. And that's nothing against Tanzel Smart. It's, I don't care about these cuts like hard knocks made it happen in your one or two.

Nolan made a great point earlier. They're just building the Tanzel Smart storyline because they're going to cut them. And then they have, uh, They have Leev, that's name? Triva. They have him read, the poor guy. There's no way to baby it. And then boom, shot of Tanzel Smart's baby.

I mean, are we even trying anymore? No, no. I love it. Love it. I'm getting Tim Tebow shirtless on Netflix, bro. I'm getting Tim Tebow high school footage. We have a rookie, the rookie who did Eminem. But he had an air pod in.

Did he? You guys, that's cheating. I think that's cheating. Is that not cheating? Yeah, he just cheating. And I don't think it was very good. They let him off the hook. Okay, so here's a pro documentary that could work.

And it dovetails perfectly into our great guest, Mickey Loomis, who I love talking to. He's one of my favorite GMs now. Like, he was always somebody that I just didn't, like, Sean Payton's personality overshadowed him. And, you know, like, I guess he was so busy working for the Pelicans, too. Right. You know, I got to ask him some NBA questions. But I think what's,

interesting about looking at him being in that building talking about basketball. We start going down the list of NBA coaches and executives who never played and just were like film guys, Spolstra's one. You know, like you don't need to play the game to learn the sport. Mickey Loomis, I think when he was with the Seahawks, I don't think he was on the truly football side. He was there for 15 years or something. He talked to. about remember and playing my dad and shit like that because they were in the same division. I don't think he came in. Howie Roseman didn't come in through the ranks of talent evaluation.

He was a cap guy. So you can learn this skill of talent evaluation and lean on the people around you. And I think Mickey Loomis, when you look at his track record over the past 20 years in New Orleans, 15, 20 years, he's got as good a track record as anybody. I know it hasn't resulted in two, three titles. but holy shit look at that 2006 draft class look at that 2006 off season which we're going to talk about having the balls to be like yeah i'm going to go get this sean peyton guy who's been fired a couple places i'm going to go get drew breeze whose shoulders fucked up i'm going to have the greatest draft class uh in new orleans saints history and then you know do it again 10 years later

they're still bearing the fruits of of that drafts in 2017 i think it was so he's had some great draft picks um and the thing i love most about him is he didn't hit the reset button. As a player, it is really hard. You understand it. It's easy for me sitting in this podcast share to be like, yeah, hit the reset button. I've done it to like seven of your favorite teams.

Yeah, just sit through a year of shit. But as a player, like, that's taking years off my life. And, you know, I'm getting paid, but I want to win. That's why I'm here. And so if I'm a saint, I'm thanking my lucky stars that Mickey Loomis is my GM. And whatever you think about going for it, he's going for it. So I love that about. him um i think the saints would be a tremendous documentary i mean think about everything has happened to

them since the turn of the century you had katrina you had the super bowl run right uh you had that 2006 off season you had the the bag call that went in front of the senate uh you had um the the minneapolis miracle bounty gate i mean all this shit dude i mean it is one of the craziest 20-year runs in pro football history. And they went from trash bag fans to, you know, like among the NFL's elite. And all of that came from Mickey Loomis taking chances. So love having him on. Saints fans, you know, you look at your window. There's a couple guys that are up in the next couple of years that, you know, so the window is wide open. But yeah, you got DeMario Davis next year. You got the Honey Badger next year. Marcus May, Juan Johnson. This year, you've got Thomas, Pete,

Ruiz, Granderson, Trequan Smith, and then, you know, you've got older guys too. And Camden, Alvin Kamara, Taysam Hills getting up there, Derek Carr. So the window's open right now. Your division's not great. Good on you to try to go win it. Here's Mickey Loomis. I hate buying tickets. I've been playing my whole life.

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track records in the league. You dig back in it and there's guys you forget that he drafted that are incredible players. So really, really excited to have him. Mickey, how you doing? I'm great, Chris. I'm excited to talk to you because look, when I started in 1983 with the Seattle Seahawks, we had Howie Long and the Raiders in our division. So this is quite a journey that going from watching Howie kick our ass to talking with you on this bike. A journey through time. Yeah, 15 years with the Seahawks, man. You got to see some good rushes.

I know the Derek Thomas game was the Seahawks. Wasn't it Craig back there that got sex seven times? It was. But the whole key, in fact, I just watched that not long ago. I was telling our guys about it. And he missed the eighth sack when Dave Craig ducked under it, stood up and threw a last second touchdown to Paul Scansy. and we won the game.

That's incredible. It's also important you point that out because I had no idea who won that game. All I ever heard about was Derek Thomas, seven sacks. There's always one miss sack as a rusher. You know that. Yep, there's always one miss. Yep, exactly. So, hey, I got a burning question for you, man.

2008 draft. Let's say I fell to seven. Walk me through step by step how you would trade out of that pick. Yeah, no, we would have taken you clearly. Okay. We would have taken you in a heartbeat, especially knowing what I know now. Yeah, well, I appreciate it. No, I was going back through that draft class.

Yeah, it was a close call. We almost ended up in a few places, but it would have been fun down there. You guys have just had such a good run. There's so much I want to get into. But I think the most interesting thing to me is this, because we've had Sean Payton on the show, and Sean was driving through Louisiana or something. This is like last year.

And you know, Sean, he was like, yeah, I got some time for you. We'll just see how long it goes. And we were on for an hour and 40 minutes with the guy. He just loves talking ball. And you guys have probably a great relationship 15, 16 years. What's it like trading your friend? Yeah.

Well, first of all, you're right about Sean and talking. He's never met a yes or no question ever. Listen, I love Sean Payton. He's a great, great football coach. He's a great friend. He's, you know, beyond generous with his time and his resources. And that was a tough deal. But look, he needed the break, number one, from the year before.

It was time for him to take a break and recharge himself. And look, the benefit to the Saints was that he was under contract. And so if he had an opportunity to coach with another team, we weren't going to stop that, but we were going to get some compensation back and worked out. It worked out with the Denver Broncos, and look, he's going to do a great job for him. And, you know, hopefully we'll take advantage of the picks that we got. It's so funny to me because I'm imagining being a player. Like, you know, there actually was one time I almost got traded.

But, you know, the conversation is it's very businesslike. It's minimal. It's like the GM's, you know, working through your agent. that sort of thing they might ask you a question to but i'm imagining you and sean over a beer like hey buddy where you're going to go is that is that are there moments like that where he's like i wonder how much you can get for me you know like yeah how does that go well um it was it was uh that's a good question listen he called a couple times and oh you're asking too much you know and i would say i no, I'm not.

There was a little bit of that, but it was pretty, pretty cordial. And, you know, I wasn't negotiating with him. I was negotiating with, you know, Greg Penner and George Payton. And it worked out great. It was never adversarial. It was always, you know, how can we make this work for both teams? And fortunately, we were able to do it. How do you find a value for a coach?

You know, like I hear upstairs, which I would endearingly call like the second level of the building. You guys have all these charts where you try to figure out what the trade value of a player is based on all these performance scores. How do you do that with a coach? You just start from scratch? Well, listen, there have been some trades in the past. John Gruden got traded. Bill Parcells got traded. There was compensation for Bill Belichick.

There was compensation, I think, for Herm Edwards. That was another one. So it's happened a few times. But look, I just believe that, you know, outside of the franchise quarterback, I think the most important person in the building relative to winning is the head coach. And when you have a proven commodity, that's worth a lot. And, you know, I think we stuck to our guns and got what we didn't get what I would have liked to have gotten. but I think it was fair. Yeah, no, you've worked out really well because most people would say, well, Denver's got the leverage just by having the conversation because it probably means he's not going to be your coach next year. But you guys made out pretty good.

And, you know, like I think back to 2006, you know, you took big swings. I mean, this is one of the most legendary off-seasons in football history. I mean, you go out and you get Sean in Dallas, you know, Drew Brees in San Diego, and the whole thing. But with Sean, it's hard for me to remove myself from this sensibility where I know Sean Payton's a legend in our game. It's 2003. When he was coaching Parcells, every stop along the road for him wasn't successful to that point.

So how was that move received? Can you liken it to making a type of hire today? And was it something that you were nervous about? Because I feel like it probably put your career on the line making all those moves. Yeah, well, look, I think when you're a general manager, you're putting your career on the line with almost every step. It feels like every first round pick and every coach hire. But look, you know, there was a lot of good candidates then. And we were, the challenge for us that year was there were 10 teams looking for head coaches.

And given, you know, Hurricane Katrina and the things that had happened with the city of New Orleans, we were probably 10th by a long margin of, desirable places to be. And so, look, I just, you know, I think sometimes when you interview someone,

you just know. And I think we needed at that time, I knew we needed high energy. We needed some, someone from the Parcells School of, you know, tough, discipline type of football.

And, you know, at our very first, meeting, I had a good feeling about Sean. And I just felt like he's exactly what our team and what our city needed, our community needed. And it worked out. And, you know, Drew was another, you know, tough decision because the injuries coming off of.

But that was a kind of, you know, both those things were really under the radar. The big move that year, the thing that got all the publicity and all the attention was just drafting Reggie Bush. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because, look, Reggie at that time was probably recognized as one of the greatest college football players of all time after his career there. And so that's what made the big splash.

It wasn't, you know, the Sean Payton hire or even the Drew Brief signing. Now, and both of those turned out to be spectacular. Yeah, they worked out. The 2006 draft class, incredible. Like, you look at that list. Was Rob Ninkovich the one that got away, Mickey? Because, you know, my man, Rob Ninkovitch, you were like, I got so many damn good players in this drop. I'm just going to make you a snap.

Oh my gosh. Is Rob the one that got away? Yes. You know, that's, you know, an interesting thing about that class is, is that I think we had five or six guys in that draft class that played 10 years or more. And that's really incredible. You have to go a long ways to find a draft class for a team that had that many guys have 10-year careers, including our two seventh round choices, Zach Streefe, and Marcus Goldston. And Rob had a 10-year-plus career.

It just wasn't with us. And we had two cracks at him. You know, we had him in camp. He was on our team for a year. Then we let him go. He went to Miami, came back to us, and then we let him go again. And I know, look, Sean laments that a number of times.

So do I. Because Rob's been a really, he was a really good player, helped New England win some Super Bowls. And, yeah, it's when we missed. We didn't miss on the draft pick. We missed on our evaluation once we had it. No, yeah, yeah. But so many good players in that draft is just incredible.

You know, talk about going out and taking that chance to get Drew Brees with the shoulder. Have you learned anything about taking chances on players that might get red flagged elsewhere? Because as I understood it, like Saban wanted him down in Miami, but the medical staff was like, no. Yeah, you know, that, look, I think that's been rehashed in. number of times, you know, he clearly had a serious injury. And I just remember talking with Dr. Andrews about it. And, you know, every time you talk to a doctor about a surgery they've done, of course, they'll tell you it's the best surgery, the best work they've ever done. Best one in history. That's their standard line. But he did say this. He said, look, I can't tell

you that Drew will be back this year at 100%. He said, but I can tell you that two years from now, he'll be, you know, if not 100%, very close to 100%. And so for me and for us, a lot of it was, well, okay, we might have to wait a year to get the Drew Brees we expect. But if you draft somebody at the top of the draft, it's going to take two or three years to develop them. So that's the same type of wait time. And yet we know pretty much what we're going to get at the end of that time. when Miami's decision was made and was based on their medical evaluation. I don't fault that.

I think the interesting thing there is there were a number of teams that needed quarterbacks that year, and none of them kicked the tires on Drew. And so that's really the error, I think, as opposed to, you know, Miami who brought him in, really wanted him, and ultimately, you know, got talked out of it by the medical evaluation. So, hey, look, I'm glad it worked out for us. Yeah. Glad it worked out for us. How psyched are you about, I mean, like there's certain franchises, I thought indie for a while there, quarterback, you know, they just, it'd be like Philip Rivers, follows Andrew Luck, who follows Peyton Manning. It's just, you know, you don't take a lot of time off trying to rebuild. And what I love about you and what you've done in New Orleans as a player is like, hey, we're not rebuilding. We're trying to win. You know, you had this Hall of Fame quarterback and you could see the decline, like with any player. I'm sure there's a process with which you're like, okay, what's our five years?

your plan. Are we going to try to win right now? Are we going to take some time off and reset? It seems like you guys are aggressive with Derek Carr and some of the signings that you've made. So how exciting is it to see Derek Card? And what are you guys going to give him that's a little bit different than what he had in Vegas? I'm very excited about having Derek here. There's a lot of similarities to, you know, when we brought Drew in and when we, you know, us getting Derek, Derek's farther along in his career than Drew was. Look, I don't know exactly what will be different between here and the Raiders.

I just know how we do things. And I think there's a stability here that has existed for a long time and a culture that we protect, a locker room that we protect in terms of the way we operate and hopefully he can flourish in that environment. But, you know, there's always that decision. decision about, you know, tear down, rebuild, all those kinds of things. And look, I just feel like, and I felt like we've had a good team around them. You know, we had a good draft in 2017. Yeah. You know, put some core players on our team that are still in the prime of their career.

And we've had, you've been able to add some pieces since then. And so I just feel like, you know, defensively, we've got a very good roster offensively. We've got some weapons, particularly with having, you know, Mike Thomas back and healthy. And so we've got an opportunity. And it's not going to just rest on the shoulders of the quarterback and Derek. It's going to be incumbent upon our whole team to play well. And I think we can do that. You talked about culture.

Like you're one of the franchises that actually has a culture, in my opinion. You know, I think byproduct, you being there so long and Sean being there so long. I feel like risk-taking and having balls is like part of the Saints culture. Is that just Sean? and is that ever going to wear off? Like, first thing I think of was Sean is that onside kick. And I'm wondering you as the GM, like, when do you get the word that we're going to open the second half

in a game that we're down by kicking it onside kick? And did it ever make you nervous how aggressive you guys were? Well, I think you're always nervous. You know, if you're a competitor, you've got those nerves because you want to win so badly. But I would say this. I would never, ever fault a coach for, going out and trying to win a game because look it's hard to win in the national football league

and i i don't think the answer is to try not to lose a game and so i love when when coaches take chances now they have to be calculated chances right they can't be fool these chances and sean for as aggressive as he is is very calculated he's not going to go for it or not make a play unless he believes really strongly that it's going to be successful. He's not just throwing plays and throwing decisions against the wall. He's, he's very calculated. He's not a gunslinger in the sense of just throwing stuff out and hoping it works. He's got, he's got a plan and a confidence in both himself and his team. And look, I think Dennis Allen has those same traits. And so, yeah, I like that we're aggressive. I think that, and I think players,

respond to that too. If you put it on their shoulders and you say, hey, go win it for us. More often than not, your players, they'll make plays. Yeah, Doug Peterson was a lot like that where you kind of were empowered by the risk taking. Honestly, it was funny. It just made me think of this. When we came down in New Orleans after y'all kicked our ass early in the season, I think it was 4417. I remember that. We almost had y'all up there, man, and y'all took some really calculated risks. I mean, there was the punt, the fake punt. There was a fourth down inside. I the five-yard line. And those were the differences in the game.

You know, and that's the risk that you take that are calculated. Yeah, and look, I remember that well because Malcolm Jenkins, who had been with us, we drafted and played with us, was pretty demonstrative with Sean toward the end of that game. And, you know, we came back and played for us after that. We laughed about it. But, yeah, you guys had a really good team. We got on a role in that first game, and we're looking. lucky and then the second game was much more indicative of, you know, how close our two teams were.

And we were lucky to win, really. I think we had to play toward the end of the game. You guys were marching, marching down to, I think, get a score. And, yeah, we made a play. Yeah, yeah, you guys, yeah, it was a great game. Some draft questions. I know we're closer to cut time than draft time. Like, you know, that's probably what's on your mind. So maybe you'd rather answer some draft questions. You know, when you have head coaches, I've asked GMs and head coaches this before, but like, who's a GM or a coach that might call about a player and you're like, what's going on here? This guy's too smart. Like, you know, like, he's probably taking me to the cleaners. He can't be sending me, you know, this can't be a good deal for me.

Is there a GM or a coach that you've had that experience with that? You're like, I've got to watch that guy. Well, I think Howie Roseman's one of those guys. He's very smart. He keeps coming up. Yeah, and look, Howie and I have done some deals in the past. He's really a bright, bright guy. He's done a great job in Philly. But he's always one of the guys that, okay, I'll get up both hands on my back pockets when I'm talking to Howie. And I mean that in the most complimentary way. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. I mean, we got a Bill Belichick answer before. I don't know if you ever do. done business with Bill. Yeah, I have a number of times. Yeah, it's shorter phone call.

It's, it's all business. But Bill's really, he's really straightforward. And I appreciate that about him. He's really straightforward about what he wants and what he'll do. And if it works great and if it doesn't, you know, he's fine with that. So I like that. I remember him as a coach, too. Those guys.

Yeah. I remember him as a coach. We're going to move you into three techniques. If it works out, you know, But no, Bill, Bill's awesome. And then Howie, when I asked Mike Mayock, this very same question, he was like, yeah, Howie'll call and he'll ask you how your family is. He'll butter you up for 15 minutes.

Yeah. And then he'll go into the train. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yep, your hands are back here. What's the latest? I always wonder this, because sometimes, you know, on TV we're watching and it's always like, the pick is in right before. I think it's to build suspense and that sort of thing.

And usually, like, you guys know who you're probably. in a draft when the clock goes off. But I always wonder, is there like a trade that fell through at some point or a situation where you guys end up in kind of a panic and it's like down to the wire and you got to get a pick in? It's not like me picking fantasy football because I don't have a system. You've got a whole wall there. But have you ever ended up in that situation where you got to turn that pick in last

minute? Yeah, I think while we hold it, I think most teams hold that pick to the last minute just in case there's a late call with the trade you can't refuse, which almost never happens, by the way. I think particularly in the early rounds, the first second, third round, I don't ever recall a situation where we didn't know exactly who we were going to pick, you know, within three or four picks before we even get on the clock. I think later in the draft sometimes when you, you know, you're down to, well, I want this one guy, you know, in the fifth round. And all of a sudden, the team right in front of you takes that guy.

Then that that puts you in a little bit of a tailspin because You don't have someone that you have a conviction on like you did Right You know the one guy you want so I think it takes a second to get over that last guy because you were like man I've been looking at that I've been in love with this guy for a year Yeah, there was a run on tackles and now is not mine anymore Yeah, that's right and I look I think particularly in the in the mid to late rounds a fourth round fifth round six round There's always somebody you have targeted that you think you're

you can get in that area that you're going to be really excited about. You know, you may have a third round or even a second round great on those guys, and you're thinking, but I can get this guy late. And then someone jumps up and grabs them right in front of you. It just, it's a bit of a shock to your system and you have to recover. But those scenarios, you know, we play them out for, you know, a hundred times in the weeks leading up to the draft. So we're really prepared for it.

but occasionally you know something like that happens it sounds like you might have somebody in your mind that maybe that uh you wanted to pick yeah well i don't want to disclose it because he turned out to be a really good player oh god i'm still pissed off about it okay yeah that's good i can respect that you don't want to give it any energy how about dude this is the most interesting thing i didn't even know you're doing the pelicans thing too for a while and you're in the NBA so you're you're i assume you're in their draft room. You kind of know how that whole thing. By the way, Drew Holiday Trade.

Hats off. Hey, that's one of our favorite players here. Mickey had something to do with that. I'm just going to go with that. No, that was Adele Damps who pulled that off. Okay. That was a great trade. And Drew's an awesome guy.

One of my favorite guys that I've ever met in professional sports. And look, I've been really happy for him and his success with Milwaukee. but awesome guy, awesome player. Yeah, he seems like it. And I just wonder how different, like, because we got into this thread here, when they started talking about paying running backs, we were talking about the way positions are so siloed in the NFL,

you got a guy who's different, right? Like, Alvin can do a little bit of everything, so you don't kind of, he's more positionless. And you've had a few guys like this, and Malcolm's like a Swiss Army knife, C.J. Garnet Johnson, Tassum Hill, obviously. So can you talk to, you know, how GM might covet that more positionless player.

And then juxtaposed the way the NBA is, which is like, nobody's like, hey, we need a power forward. They're like, we need a 3-and-D guy. We need a skill set. We need this. In the NFL, it seems like we're in this antiquated mode of like, this is a guard, this is a tackle, this is a running back. Do you see it changing at all and how different was it from the NBA? Yeah, well, it was a lot different. First of all, I think my role with Pelicans was a little exaggerated.

I mean, we had Del Demp's as our general manager. We have David Griffin now. And look, I've stepped back from that. It was more of a case of, you know, Tom Benson, the owner, wanted someone to be the interaction between the management of the team and, you know, and him. And he didn't have the time or energy to do that, you know, at that stage of his life. And so, look, I love my time.

There are some great people. Demps and Alvin Gentry and just a number of Money Williams. The players, you know, they, they're great people. It's different, though. It is different. I think part of that is because, you know, players in the NBA come to the league at such an earlier stage in their life. You know, they're 19 and 20 years old and they haven't had a lot of those guys

haven't had that experience of college where they're away from home for, you know, four years or three years. and doing things on their own. So it's just different. And then obviously there's fewer players and each guy has probably a greater impact than any single individual in football. So yeah, it was just different.

Yeah, in terms of Alvin and the running backs, look, I think one of the things that is always valuable and I think Bill, Belichick in New England has done this for longer and more often than anyone, is finding guys that can do multiple things because it helps you with your roster management. That's what makes them more valuable is that if they can do more tasks, then it frees up your roster at other positions in terms of depth

and other things you get to do. So that's what makes TASM so valuable to us. That's what makes Alvin so valuable as he can do so many different things. And look, we seek out even. an offensive lineman that can play multiple positions on the offensive line and and defensive linemen that can you know an end that can slide in and rush the passer from inside so i i think that's that's what what um you know makes them adds value to to the position why do you think you're so good at drafting o lineman like without telling the other gms can you give me a little something

yeah i look i think that yeah i think that's a credit to it's a credit more than to anyone to our, you know, our scouting staff. They just, I think, you know, the thing that that is always important is to understand exactly what our coaching staff is looking for in terms of the traits and characteristics that they needed every position. And then making sure that that gets communicated correctly to, to our scouts and that we don't deviate that from that. You know, there's always exceptions that exist in our league to, you know, a certain

amount of traits. But typically we don't look for exceptions because if we're looking for exceptions, we're going to make more mistakes. Yeah, you can play the percentages. Yeah, we're pretty much, you know, prototype type of team and we're looking for certain characteristics and looking for certain, you know, off-the-field characteristics in terms of intelligence and work ethic and those types of characteristics that we value in our locker room. Yeah, I mean, this Trevor Petting kid and I mean this is a compliment he's a real rock eater isn't he's just he loves to he loves to mix it up i've heard about five different fights i texted cam about him he said he's a good dude he's inquisitive you know after the play he's asking cam for advice that sort of thing so he seems like a great kid

he's a kind of tone setter you need he seems to have improved coming off the injury he's back this year and like you know run blocking his ass off how's the past game coming along for a young guy like that. Yeah, I think I would say this. I think he's raw in that area, but improving pretty dramatically. And look, we have a great offensive line coach here in Doug Marone

who was with us back in 06. And, you know, when we had Jari Evans and you know, and Carl Nix and that group and now he's got Trevor and he's doing a great job with him.

That's awesome. Last question for you. I know cut time's coming up. I'm not going to ask you about any of the players on the roster, but I actually just asked Jeff Fisher this question the other day. Like, who's the toughest cut you've had to make? Because I know that's the hardest part of the business. Yeah. Oh, boy, good, good question. I think, man, there's a lot of them. And the toughest cuts are always the veteran player that's been with you, you know, if not his whole career, then a long, a long period of time. And, man, you just, you just, it's tough emotionally to let someone go who's contributed

so much to your team, your community, the building, you know, because look, these guys are, they're great people. I think, I think NFL players are, A, they're high achievers, they're intelligent, they're just great people with very few exceptions. And so they become part of your family. And look, they're appreciated by the secretaries, by, you know, every person in your building. And so when you finally have to say, hey, you're probably not good enough anymore, it's time to go. That's hard.

That's really hard. And look, even occasionally, you know, we've got Jimmy Graham back here this year. Yeah. And we traded Jimmy. after his fifth year, I think, fourth or fifth year, fifth year, I believe it was. That was tough because I loved Jimmy Graham. We all loved Jimmy Graham, but we felt like this was the best thing for our team. And look, my daughter, who was probably five or six at that time, wouldn't speak to me for years.

Right. About Jimmy Graham. Every year she'd ask me about Jimmy Graham. And then, you know, she shows up and she's got his Seattle Seahawks jersey, and then he's got, she's got his Green Bay jersey and the Chicago jersey. Come on, Dad. And finally this year, we got him re-signed and he came back in the building. But those kinds of things are tough, whether it's a trade or letting someone go.

It's just like losing a piece of your family sometimes. Yeah, no question. Relationship business, man, a lot of time at work. Like you said, we know everybody in the building. So I don't envy that job, but you have done a hell of a job doing it for a long time. We appreciate you coming on the show. and we wish you the best of luck this year and hope you come back after a big win or something.

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doing all fall uh every thursday of 430 on amp uh check us out what was your favorite part of the that interview there middle good start good end but that middle it was really humming ah damn it was humming hey uh run time for this show over under two hours four minutes under okay yeah we'll see Yeah. I'm going to cut half the show. Just to win this little bit. Okay, so in this B block, we are going to go over some win totals. It is time to get those bets in. So tell me what's going on in college football this weekend.

Is there anything worth watching? I think somebody's going to Ireland to get Maliwopped. Navy and Notre Dame in Dublin, Saturday. It's a 2.30 kick. You'll find that on NBC. Otherwise, USC is the only other ranked team playing this Saturday. They're, they've got San Jose State. It's the year of the Penn State Nittany Lions.

I mean, stop me, stop me when you hear a loss on this schedule, all right? We got a kid named Drew playing quarterback. Where's number 15? You can tell I've done my, my homework. West Virginia, cheeks, Delaware, at Illinois, home Iowa, at Northwestern, UMass. At Ohio State's the only one. Okay, they got Michigan at home later in the year, Indiana, Maryland, and their Rutgers, Michigan State. I think this is the year Penn State.

pushes aside those two teams they haven't been able to overcome in that Big Ten East. Okay, that total is nine and a half. Yeah. Like that over a lot. Yeah. One I don't like so much as Florida State, also nine and a half. Yeah. Florida State, you start off with LSU, okay, Southern Miss at Clemson, you got Miami-Lumen,

you got Florida. Yeah. That's a lot of teams. Yeah. You're trying to raise Saudi money to bounce from the ACC. You know I heard about that? You know what else I heard about? There's a water tower in Mosul Iraq that's painted orange and white for Tennessee.

It's got the big tea up there. Just sitting out there in the desert. Checkerboards. Somebody had a really funny comment. It was more like Iraqi top. Is that great or is that great? It's really good. You know, it would be funny.

if there were some water towers for like the Saudis sitting in Tallahassee at some point in the next 20 years. It's not funny. I don't want that to happen. But you could imagine if it did. We're like headed there. You know what I mean? Oklahoma nine and a half? Butt cheeks. They're three and six

in the big 12 last year. Brent Venables doesn't have the stuff to be the head man respectfully. Nine and a half? Boy, he had me fool with that plane ride, man. He just looked so swagger. Baby, he was all like He just slid right into the culture. The most fun. And then everybody left.

The most fun win total to bet on in college football this year is going to be the Georgia Bulldogs. Numbers 11 and a half. Yeah. We're only talking regular season. Yeah. So you just like take the under and root like a motherfucker for Georgia Tech week 11. Every year I bet Georgia Tech week 11. Only two ranked foes on the schedule right now.

Home against number 22 Ole Miss, November. Yeah. On the road, number 12, Tennessee, November. I mean, you got the usual suspect, South Carolina, at Auburn, Florida, at Georgia Tech. But do you have more fun bet in the over or the under for an undefeated season? I think you have more fun bet in the under. Wisconsin, eight and a half wins.

That's an over. Luke Bickle. There are a lot of soft schedules out there. Only one-ranked team for the badgers. I think Luke Fickle is going to press that red easy button, you know? I'm going to give you one. The Minnesota Golden Gophers already gave it to you. I'll give it to you again.

I think there's seven. I take the under on that. I like the Wisconsin over as well. That's what my people say. As well as the Kentucky over, the Ohio State under 10.5. Love it. Don't know why.

That's what my people say. USC under 10, SMU over 7 and a half, NC State over 6.5. This is Stanford Steve is my people. Okay. Which brings me to my next point, Duke Steve. All right.

I got Stanford under three and a half. Five ranked opponents. Program might fold. Duke Steve is going to be racking up more gear than ever before. Travel around with a game day, not to Palo Alto. Stanford Erasure. He's going to be reppping the brand less and less and less and less. Stanford under three and a half.

I do like that NC state over six and a half. I'll tell you why. Brennan Armstrong is they're going to be good. is reunited with his offensive coordinator. Yeah, dude. Brennan Armstrong has more passing yards at Virginia than the next, the number two by 1,500 yards. Yeah, that's crazy.

They're reunited. Dave Doran, good coach. You know, all right, that would be fun. And finally, Virginia Tech? Three and a half, that's an over. I'm sorry. Half's their number? What's our number, dare I have?

Also three and a half. Three and a half. Damn, it's. The under's minus 160, though. My friend, Virginia Tech. Fuck me. The Hokies open with O'DU, Purdue, Rutgers, and Marshall, and then they play the agency coastal.

Do I have put a bet down on the Hokies. If you got a college rival, it works well to put out a bet. That's not too much, not too much because you don't want to enjoy them winning. You rather root against them and in the event that they're good. That one really did jump off the page. I mean, I know they've been struggling the last few years. Maybe they know something. Maybe they, let's hope.

Uh, totals, totals, totals. before I get into the NFL totals, I read a really interesting Bill Barnwell column, as they all are. But there was one paragraph as I talk about it, because the columns about teams that will regress. This paragraph caught my attention. I'm Bill Barnwell here, so reading his voice. And listen to it in his voice.

Yeah, the results here are hard to ignore, however, using many quantitative metrics to lead the way he's talking about Pythagorean things you can count. Yeah. I've named 30 teams in this column over the past six years. 24 of those teams declined the following season for maintain their winning percentage while just two of those improved. So two of 30 improved.

So I'm not fading bill. No, it's also not like a Herculean thing to like pick four teams that probably get worse, right? Right. We could do it this year. But pretty good batting average. The average team declined by 3.2 wins per 17 games. Moving from a 16 game to a 17 game season, makes these comparisons a little messier.

Okay, here were the four teams. Any guesses? As to who's regressing this year. Vikings have to be on there. Yes. That's the layup, right? You know, like 9 and 0 and 7 point games or less. So 7 points or less, 9 and 0.

They also won some games by 8 points, as Bill pointed out. Speaking of Bill, bills? I think the bills will. I agree with you. um giants we're on the list but let me finish with i give you a second to prepare for that uh 26 in dv oa last year um best fourth best fourth fourth quarter team in the past decade by far is the way he put it which is really fucking interesting and so it's going to be interesting to find out if that's kevin o'connell or if it's lightning in a bottle right like kirk cousins in one score games before

last season was like 27 and 26 and 2. So like totally different guy. Was it Kevin as Kev as I call him? Because he's my boy now. Which brings me to mention I looked the other day. Now this predates my friendship with Kevin O'Connell, but I did bet the Vikings under this year.

This year? Yeah. Okay. All right. It looks like Bill agrees. So it's not a labor of love like in years past. I'm going to be like, damn it check my bank account Vikings won 13 games last year the number's 8 and a half yeah that's a delta of 4 and a half which exceeds

his average regression metric but like I don't want to get in trouble but are the Eagles on that list the Eagles are on that list and listen we're talking about win totals yeah so hey Eagles won 14 games last year I don't think they're winning 14 games this year

I'm not saying the Eagles stink I'm not saying the Eagles aren't good I'm not saying I don't love the fucking Eagles. I'm not saying I don't believe. What you're saying is football is hard. Football's fucking hard. To win 14 games in the NFL, even with the new 17 game schedule, like the best team, the best regular season team I was ever on was the Patriots, 14 and 2.

Like it was ridiculous how easy winning was. It was hard because we were putting in the work. But I was showing up fresh out of Earth City. And I was like, damn, should have just going right. I'm just watching my teammates make plays, you know. throw in an occasional play myself, but it's just like, I don't have to do shit here. This is fucking interesting. That's how good you got to be. Like, and they were like that last year, and their floor is so high with the offensive line. One thing I worry about on defense, I'm just like

spitball in here. A lot of vets who are aging, right? I'm not saying they're going to be lesser players this year, but it's always, you know, where's the ledge? And then a lot of young guys, right, who you're going to count on to play meaningful snaps. So like, you got to see the young guys progress and you got to see the old guys stay the way they are, which is pretty damn good right now. Fletcher had a great year last year. Brandon Graham had a great year last year. Like a lot of those older guys have played at a high level. So the Eagles, he points out, had three 10-win opponents last year.

The Vikings were won. They also played one of the four worst record teams. And this year, the schedule is the fifth toughest. So the schedule's tough. Last year was easy, like 24. And also, the Eagles training staff did a great job. Now, they're much maligned, but last year, they had, like, second best injury luck in the, in the league. And another thing is, two new coordinators.

So, like, you could stumble out of the gate, right? I'm pretty sure Kansas City didn't hit their win total last year, right? You can win the fucking Super Bowl and not hit your win total. I'm not sure if they did it. They had 14 wins. 14. But early in the season, it was ugly. Yeah, you lose the Colch, you lose, you know.

So what I'm saying is you're going to look at this Eagles season as, like, kind of two. two acts. I think, you know, like two new coordinators, a lot to follow up for Jalen and the whole thing. Steelers were mentioned as well, which I kind of disagree with. Last year he pointed this out. I probably should have looked at the point differential is minus 38. But they started two and six last year. I just want to remind you, finish seven and two. Now, the counterpointed to that is six out of those seven teams were losing teams. But they get a healthy T.J. Watt the whole year. I think they're going to be better. He had for the improved teams, by the way, Bears, Browns, Broncos, Rams. Giants, I know the, you know the story about the negative point differential.

The Eagles beat them by 26. Maybe it would be a little different if that didn't happen. Good turnover look. Second in the league. I disagree on the Giants and the Steelers. I think the Eagles could win 12 games. I think they win 13 games. I think you win the division and win 13 games. I think the Vikings will probably regress. Everybody knows that. Will they be a good team come December? I don't know, but they're not going to be 13 and 4. I like that bears a lot. Bears over seven and a half. One in seven and one score games last year. You add DJ Moore. You had Tremaine Edmonds. You had T.J. Edwards. Yad in Gokway. Justin Fields is right to rock. Seven and a half. I'm hopping on the bears right now. Easy money. I'm a punch in my mystery gambling app because we're free agents. This ass is for sale. Jets have the easiest of the AFCE schedules, but it's still relatively difficult. Don't you think that division is like 10 and

seven, nine and eight, eight and nine, seven and ten? You know, it's funny. You could look back at the season in the records and say, hey, that division was kind of shitty, but it's just that they're going to beat each other to death. Now, for the Jets, you make a trade for a tackle. We talked about this the other day. I feel like you're like right now I'm having a hard time picking the Super Bowl. Okay, we'll get to that next week in our previews, but the Jets are in the conversation for me. I'm not trying to like copy the mind reader guy from Hard Knocks. Fuck fucking guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy.

I'm sure he's a great guy. I'm sure like sometimes he guesses right. But he could never fool us. Never. I have, I'd be thinking about ham sandwiches. Tell me. Tell me what I'm thinking about.

It could be the Jets. Ham sandwiches. No, it could be the Jets. It could be the fucking Jets. It could. Can they block? Go trade for a tackle.

Okay. You know, uh, okay. So anyways. the wind totals that I'm already on, Steelers over eight and a half. Okay, that's where I got it.

I don't know where it is now. Vikings under eight and a half. Sorry to say. Lions over nine and a half. Ravens over eight and a half. I got on that early. Early bird gets the worm. In my case,

the worm is a fucking Suzuki sidekick. Okay. And then I think I'm going to add the jags over nine and a half. You got the Ravens at nine and a half? I got the Ravens at eight and a half. It's all the way. way up to 10.5. I know it. That's awesome.

Oh, yeah. It's fucking great. And 10 and a half is way too high for the division. It's a little high. It would make me nervous. And these things all come down to the wire for the most part, but give the Jags over nine and a half a look. Minus 150 on bet MGM. So obviously. Can I talk into the Atlanta Falcons? I love the Falcons.

Eight and a half. I just don't know anything about Desmond Ritter. Weak division. Second softest schedule. Heineckee insurance for Ritter. Exactly. That would make me feel better. And if you're selling me on Heineke entering the fold week four, this team's going over. On Yamada, Campbell, Ellis, Okuda, Bates, Bejohn, London, Pitts. It's fun. It's a fun group. Fun and a bad schedule. Yeah. The interesting thing about win totals this year is the highest on BetMGM, 11 and a half for the Eagles, and the Chiefs, the Bengals, 11, the Niners, 10.5, the Bill's 10 and a half.

the Ravens 10 and a half, the Cowboys, the Jags. Now we're into the single digits. Usually there's a team that's going to win 13, 14, 15 games. I don't know, not 15, but there's going to be a couple teams that are going to be up there. If we're thinking the chiefs maybe take a step back or stay the same and have to get creative, I'm thinking like that bet scares me a little bit. Eagles, I listed the reasons. Maybe you like the over for whatever reason, but I'm just staying away.

Bengals, people feel like maybe with Burroughs, calf, some other changes, maybe offensive line changes. It doesn't work out as well. Nineers, you want to get Brock Purdy, you know, the same Brock Purdy or a different guy. I don't know. So it's complicated, but I think if you look at those teams who's ripe to go way over their win total, I think it's Jags. And the Lions, who I'm already on. Jets, nine and a half. It's kind of scares me. It's still hovering so low. All right, Reed, we've got read around the world. we had a viral video the other night. Joe Buck in a preseason game, waving his hands all over, or was he reaching out for a handshake? Josh Harris interpreted it as a handshake, grabbed Joe Buck's

hand pretty vehemently, which, where do you all stand? Where do you all stand? Look, handshake. Shake my hand. That's a very venomous hand, handshake got there. I think this could not be any clearer, okay? It's a non-hand. handshake from Joe Buck, but Harris is looking away, turns back to Buck and a hand is there. You have to shake it. Buck's in the handshake zone for a solid two seconds. Yes. He's not trying to handshake though.

No, he's not. He's obviously not. He's like, so you own a new team. Right. But the weird part, the weirdest part is that Harris goes 20 percent. He commits 20 percent to the handshake. Yes. He turns back, sees the hand, and he shakes it, but then he like just gives him a little

dead fish. Yeah. But, hey, you remember this one? Go to shake my hand. Go to shake my hand. Obama? Obama and Cuba? Yeah.

If I could just raise his hand in the air, Donald Trump and Shinjo Abe. 14 seconds of this, but 14. I timed it. I mean, some of the best, this might take the cake, though, is the most memorable handshake for me. Here you go.

I'll do another Trump for you here. Yeah. That's, yeah, dude. You know. Sorry. Yeah. You really did alpha me there, huh? Looks like McCrone's going to be lifting all the sanctions.

He just got fucking Alford. So yeah, I just, I don't, I like Josh Harris more as a result of that, that clip. It's a very relatable thing. And Troy, for that matter, very relatable to see something hilarious and laugh. Just laugh. Before we get out of it. here let's give a little softball update for the people everybody wants it softball dude you were dealing last night no i wasn't dealing for a while i was dealing you had the other

team shook they were in the dugout like boy we can't hit that's what they're talking to triple off me and i heard in the dugout they're not putting that on the podcast well we're not going to put on the podcast big fella is the fact that we we we beat y'all finally we and i have the utmost respect for bmb electric class softball players class electricians probably my favorite team in the league okay but this meant a lot for us and this is the other b&B electric did you just for all the folks out he said he doesn't know this i want to bring this up so i called the wrong bmb i get to the ballpark i head over to the third baseline because i don't like to warm up i don't want them to see that i just throw erratic as fuck i want them to experience that in real time smart i go over there and i start bullshitting with my guys at bnb

And I'm like, hey, you get that message. Aren't she supposed to be at that job? And they're like, and I'm like, yeah, we called you. We called your receptionist. We like to fuck around on the podcast. We did it to Ceramico Tile Giggles. And I'm like, we called your receptionist.

We tried to get you out to a job at 6 o'clock. We don't have a receptionist. Oh, Jesus. So I go out to, you know, the outfield because our boy, rhinos out there. I'm like, rhino, what's the, deal they were going to send ben they were going to send ben who's ben and he's like yeah there's two b and be electric so so so evidently the other ones in richmond all right that's who we called

yeah wow so we called somebody in richmond who meg has mistakenly called and taken away business from the local bm they drove an hour to cuck bnb on account of a faulty google search which is what you did too. Wow. Which is what the cowboy did. I figured that was unlike you to call the wrong BFV. We should call this podcast like the Bill Simmons podcast or something. You know?

I like that. A bunch of people accidentally listened. This is different. Better grid scores over here. You see, I got a, I got a, what did I get on the NBA grid yesterday? I added Bill Simmons right off the top. Supposedly Bill Simmons is playing NBA grids

and he had like a 300. Rarity score, tweeted it out and thought he was going to get a bunch of pats on the back. Is that like bowling, like a perfect score? No, 300's not good. Okay. 300's like Lakers Magic Shack. Okay. So then five minutes later he tweets out like a 50 rarity score.

Okay. So maybe it was like me and softball last night where I learned a rule suddenly. I learned a rule in softball. Better yet a technique. And I learned it through pitching. You know how some people are saying like you play both sides of the ball. you get to understand like the other side of the ball. So through pitching over the course of three games, four games,

I've played four, we're three and one. Look up, we're three and one. Are we like the Buffalo Bills that year when they were three and one? Everybody was like Ryan Fitzpatrick's going to win a Super Bowl. Is that us this year? There's one of those teams every year. But I'm pitching for three games here. And I learned where the strike zone is.

Strike Zone is behind the plate. I crowd the plate because I'm worried about timing. You know, like slow pitch softball with a baseball swing. You got a weight on it. So I've been hitting high arcing pitches because I'm a foot too far up. Last night, light bulb went off. So I feel really good, guys. Feel really good.

We had them shut out through five. We called the wrong B&B electric. John Phillips booted a couple balls. Hey, listen, I suck the guy off every time he hits a home run. He hit the ball halfway up into the fucking trees last night. He hit an NM sycamores last night. What was the final score? 10-9.

Okay, I'm getting there. Oh, sorry. I'm getting there. 10 and 9. John hits the ball in the Sycamores. We go up in the fifth inning. It's scoreless. I am dealing at that point.

And then John boots about five balls. Guy was out golfing, pulls up in his fucking dump truck. Took his dump truck to golfing. I think he's high on dump truck fuels because he's out there booting the ball left and right. Like he's throwing the fucking game. Like he's shoeless John Phillips. Yeah.

Okay. You shoeless son of a gun. We debunked that last show. Yeah, no, he's more like Al Cone or whatever than hell. What's his name? Lefty Williams, game eight. So anyways, John Phillips is booting the ball left and right. He did hit an incredible home run. It's 9 to 3.

Then I have a tough inning. They actually start to hit me a little bit. The bats come alive. It's 9-9. We get up bottom 7. Actually, I'm proud of this. I wasn't rattled, went out there in the top of the 7th, and got him up and down.

Okay. So came off that tough inning. up and down, then we get up in the bottom of the seven. John, piss, missile, Chris, piss missile. No, they walked John. Oh, they walked. Which I was disrespectful to you. They walked John Phillips to get to me.

Well, I don't blame them. Okay? But it was still like, it's one of those things where you manufacture disrespect. I'm like, Gino Smith being like, you rate me in the top five quarterbacks. No shit. They walked John Phillips. He just hit the ball on the little league field, for Christ's sake. So.

Amundrae St. Brown, you're going to remember every single person who was walked before you. Exactly. The rest of your life. That's me.

So anyways, I had a single and then our new guy, Sam, who we plucked from ceramico tile. He's great. He's a fucking stud, dude.

Just piss missile. Off the wall. Little field. We're going home. John thought I was a home run. He started walking in from second. And then it hit the fence. And he was like,

oh shit. And then ran the third. I'm telling you, John was high on dump truck for a few. And here's the problem. I couldn't find my car after the game because his fucking dump truck was blocking it, hiding in plain sight. So for people that don't know who John Phillips was, he played 10 years in the NFL.

He was a cowboy for a long time, Charger, played with Antonio Gates, Denver Bronco, God's team. So he's a legit, high-earning individual. Like, you know, he's not some construction worker, but he lives like one. So anyways, we got to get our shit together. We can't get too cocky, guys, all right? I'm proud of you guys. All right, thank you. Far cry from season ago.

We did have a voicemail from a long-time listener who wanted to review our softball, uh, softball, you know, chat. Okay, cool. Yeah, can we put a pitch clock on the amount of time these loser pro athletes are allowed to talk about their stupid beer league softball games on the podcast? Respectfully. Okay. It's a little game for little girls.

Chris opened up the show with softball again. Anywho, first time, long time, big fan of the pod, just wondering why these drug-addicted loser pro athletes turned podcasters feel the need to tell us about being two games over 500 in some po-dunk-down softball league. You're holding the show. You're holding the show hot. I just said that earlier. Hey, I'd rather hear about Macon's budding golf game.

Yeah. Or Kingston's cocaine addiction. Yeah. Oh, you're putting a little English on the pitches, are you? The fellas are managing to catch cans of corn in the outfield? Make a little contact at the plate. In slow pitch softball? Cool, cool, cool.

Who gives a shit? I bet you guys still carve out hours in your day to work out for fuck's sake. Do you know what Steve from B&B Electric is doing right now? Is that your house working on your goddamn electricity is what he's doing right now? Golfball. Give me a break. All right, thanks, guys. Love the show.

I'll hang up and listen. Oh, I'd be a fan of more red light green light. Is this Macon? Oh, yeah. You know what's funny? Hey, you know what's funny? You know what's funny?

I was like, hire the guy. I take you back. I'm good. I know what's behind door too. I was like, this guy's actually pretty funny. That's a reasoned phone call. I like that. That was good stuff. That is good stuff. You know, it'd be a lot more fun if you'd play. I know. You texted me that you had a story about B&B Electric and hey, I don't want to pat on the back, but you know, I was, I was giving my daughter a bath, you know. So Father of the Year. That's a great message. I was going to say, we have funny fans and people that interact with us. Holy shit.

Where you guys been? Nice message. Really proud of you guys. Thank you. I appreciate it. Three and one. Okay? 7.50.

Yep. Ed? Ed from Michigan. Called it a podunk town? I was like, oh, Megan's not like I like this. All right. All right. You've been texted.

Apparently we did this last year as well. Yeah. Fantasy Football League. Cats got names. There are 10 of them. And we got to order them for the graph. Just keeps getting new friends with terrible names. Honestly, this is the biggest honor I've ever received two years running now.

But he's changed up the names. He texts you, everyone is pumped, throwing a wrench into it this year. Last year he thought it was just a bunch of white guys. I'm giving you everyone's legal names this year. So what a bunch of white guys? What did we get last year? We got like nicknames. There's a Damon in there.

There's a Ronald that can go any which way. Whatever it is, man. It's a bunch of fucking monopoly names. It's like a monopoly man plays in this league. Can I read the name? You read the names. You read the name. Here the names in alphabetical order.

Adam, Albert, Bradford, Damon, Edward, Caleb, Lloyd, Ronald, Thomas, and William. This is 1936? We're going one through 10. I think we should go A, B, A, A, B. We slot them into a position. Okay. Draft order is very important.

Yeah. You want, here, pick a name, put them into a spot. How about I just tell you what I think of the name and then you do with it what you will. Okay. Adam. Kind of played out. Makes you think about Adam and Eve. It's like average name.

Average Adam. Adam will have the seventh pick. Okay. Albert. Fat Albert. I like that name. Really good name. And I'm not saying higher picks better pick.

You know, Albert, fat, fat, three letters. Albert's got the third pick. Okay. Bradford. Put him down at the bottom. Bradford's got the ninth pick. Owned slaves. Bradford's got the ninth pick,

probably a descendant of William Bradford. I have the ninth pick in my draft some, some, some, some, some, some, I'm a third part ball here. I like Damon. There used to be a place called Damans where you can play trivia

and watch games in Charlottesville. Number two pick, Damon. Okay, Edward, yeah, down the middle. Yeah, uh, yeah. Edward's sixth pick. Caleb with a K, don't like it. 10th pick. Okay, Ronald.

Oh, I skip Lloyd. I like the name Lloyd. Lloyd. Lloyd, have we given away number five? Lloyd Banks. Lloyd, five letters. Yeah. The letter L makes me take a five for some reason.

Ronald. Ronald. Who the fuck has a name like Ronald these days? Ronald's the number one overall pick. Ronald gets a top pick. Ronald, the board is yours. You're on the clock, my friend. I hope you go by Ronnie.

Ronnie's a fun-loving guy who's got paint stains all over his jeans and he plays softball. I hope you're a Ronald. Thomas, yeah, I feel pretty down the middle about that, although one of my good friends named Thomas. Thomas is the four. He's four.

Which leaves William, which is one of the most boring names of all time at eight. I have a son with the middle name, William. It's not the fucking real name. The middle name is nothing, dude. I took no offense to your comment.

My kid has a middle name that my wife wants to change. She just wants to change it. The older one or the younger one. Okay. I was listening to a lot of Otis Redding. she had no ideas. We just named him Luke Redding Law.

Yeah, I recall. And then she's like, I want to change that. So I don't even know how you do that. Oh, it's tough. Yeah, so good luck with that. Social Security Administration. Going down to the DMV for six hours. In case y'all couldn't keep track, fellas,

that'd be Ronald, Damon, Albert, Thomas, Lloyd, Edward, Adam, William, Bradford, Caleb. Enjoy your draft.