Green Light with Chris Long - Mike Golic! NFL Draft Recap, Grading The Eagles, Aaron Rodgers Future. Chicago & Justin Fields.

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

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Well, the one thing, when Kyle Shanahan, like two days before the draft said, we have one of five people we know what we're going to take. And I'm like, that's bullshit. You trade up to number three. You know exactly who you're taking. Happy Tuesday, everybody. I'm back from vacation. There were different moments in the vacation where I considered other lines of work.

I'm not even going to lie about that. I was at the beach. I was at a wedding. It was the first. time as I mentioned a few pods ago that Cowboy Reed and John have had a break since since October of 2019 but that means your boy hasn't had a break either okay so big shout out to those guys Cowboy Reed had a nice little vacation Cowboy Reed you're all right you good you're energized yeah we're a little staycation uh it's nice weather here so we spent

some time on the river but yeah feeling good feeling good Lois I uh it's It's good. I mean, my man needs a break. He's a machine, but he needs a break. And your boy needed a break. Like, it's just, my brain's functioning at such a higher level right now. I could do the wonder look over and just destroy it. Making Mr. 49. It's not perfect. I can go 50 the way I'm feeling. I feel like Bradley Cooper after he took that, the pill. And I refuse to see that movie. It looks so shitty to me. Limitless is the name of the movie. It looks terrible. And I really like, Bradley Cooper. I love Bradley Cooper. There's nothing about that movie that screams like bad performance. It just screams like movie I'm not really interested in watching. Silver

Lining's playbook. Incredible. Incredible movie. The vacation's over. I'm feeling better. Essentially what I did, I would like to coin the phrase, suburban dad ayahuasca. That's what I did. For anybody who's familiar with the drug ayahuasca, which I am only loosely familiar with, by familiar, I mean, I have a few friends that, like, went and did it and told me how cool it was and how things have changed forever. There's a small chance you lose your fucking mind. But don't worry about that.

It's a small chance. You're probably changed for the better forever. Suburban dad ayahuasca is just binge drinking for a week straight for the first time in, like, a decade. I put on a Cal Ripkin like performance out there. I mean, it was unbelievable. I didn't think I had it in me, and I basically went for a week straight, you know?

And the only way you survive is to exercise in the morning at the beach. Every suburban dad knows this. Every dude knows this. You just go work out in the morning and do some abs and sweat to try to negate all the beer and liquor you drank the night before, thinking you're going to look any differently. at the pool. And you don't.

You still look fat. You look bloated. Your boobs look bad. You're a suburban dad. And you're in the middle of a suburban dad, ayahuasca week. And that's what I was in the middle of. Although I've got to say,

I feel pretty good. Avs were popping out. I've been eating right lately. Trying to stay up with Macon. After that combine, I was humbled. And by the way, me and Macon are getting on a little diet exercise plan here soon. He wants the bulk.

He wants the gain. So he'll be back in the chair Thursday. But it's just me today. And we've got Mike Golick for you in a bit. But I want to tell you why I was gone. First off, I was at the beach. I can't tell you where. Because when you're at a beach like I was at a beach,

like you poke your head out and a few doors down is Justin Bieber. Okay? We went to the right beach. Justin Bieber was out there at that beach. And anytime I'm somewhere with Justin Bieber, I feel like I was at the right place. But I can't tell you where it was. Now, if you Google Justin Bieber,

you probably know where he was this week. not so for me, but I'm not going to be the one to docks my man's vacation spot. I had a great time. And let me say this about Justin Bieber, okay? I couldn't name you a single one of his songs. I don't know anything about the guy, other than the fact that he's tremendously talented, and now he's yatted, and he's from Canada,

and he was, like, crushing it at 15, 16 years old. looks to be an incredibly well-adjusted cat. I'm a really good reader of people from like a long way away. And he seems like a good guy. Actually, I worked out right next to him at the gym. Worked out right next to him at the gym. Only thing I said to Justin Bieber was I asked him if I was in his way because I was doing a little thing outside.

You know, I was doing a suburban dad workout and he was doing like a young pop star workout. And I just was like, hey, bro, am I in your lane? He was like, go crazy, bro. and I was like man me and Justin Bieber are tight so Justin Bieber was there but more importantly the second leg of my vacation I got to watch a little holy matrimony and you guys know what that is it's marriage many of you have probably gotten married or thought about getting married it's one of the greatest things in the world being married having a family I'm certainly a very independent person but I don't know where I'd be without my wife my lovely wife

Meg and my kids. And I got to see a wedding this weekend. A small wedding, COVID dictated that, but my big little brother, Kyle Long, is now Mr. Kyle Long. And I want to congratulate Mr. Kyle Long and Mrs. Kate Long. Jersey girl. Our family seems to really gravitate to the Jersey girls. My dad married a Red Bank girl. Kate's from up north. And my lovely wife, Meg, is from outside of Philly on the Jersey side. So something about the Garden State, huh? Huh? And it was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful ceremony.

I'm very proud of my brother. I'm very proud of his new wife, Kate, for taking on the challenge, the lifelong challenge of marrying my wonderful, enormous brother. They are an awesome couple, and that was a really, really cool event. And, you know, kudos to Kate's family

hitting the curveball. Like, they basically had to plan two weddings because you plan one, COVID hits. Supposed to get married, bigger wedding here in Virginia, had to tighten it up, move it out west so it could be outside, guaranteed, no rain. We were in Scottsdale. It was gorgeous.

A desert air. It does something to you. It does something to you. They did a great job, but it's hot as fuck out in Arizona, and I remember getting ready for the wedding, and, you know, the most hectic part of getting ready for a wedding is obviously dudes putting on their suits. Like, girls take the whole day and that sort of thing,

and like, you know, they go and they have the whole, like, area. And if you walk in, you're not supposed to walk in, right? Because you're not supposed to see the bride and, you know, like, bride. Well, first off, you shouldn't walk in because they're getting dressed. But I'm saying, like, even if the door opens, you see the bride and her dress, like, it's a bad thing. You're supposed to wait until the wedding. There's not as much, like, I don't know, is that a rule read? You don't know weddings as well as I do, do you?

No, I zero no weddings compared to you. How many weddings have you been to, Reed? I feel like you told me this before. Like three, if you include when I was like two. That's incredible. You were a ring bearer, huh? No, I wish. I was sitting in like sunglasses and a suit jacket with my brother on the side.

So we were pretty young. But I've done like one adult wedding. You've been to one adult wedding. Yeah. And it wasn't, it wasn't the most upscale thing. I think I'm going on like 30 adult weddings. And just when you think they're over, they come in waves

but this is one I was excited to be at and as I said when you are getting ready as dudes it's like the girls are there five hours early the dudes are like stumbling in and everybody's just trying to encourage each other to be on time like what time of the pictures I was one of probably

every dude that was there that was texting Kyle for the schedule in the morning like that's what dudes do including we're late to get dressed and it's hot in Arizona and you're sweating and you're hung over because dudes guests at weddings blow their load the night before weddings and by that I mean they get really hammered the night before weddings and then the wedding they're like sweating and they're hung over right

your best performance is that it depends on how you look at it I look at binge drinking this way your first day you really really struggle you're maybe getting off a plane maybe you didn't have a lot of sleep your body's not ready your second day your body's craving the alcohol you know You probably got a good nine hours of drunk sleep, which science says is not real good. You don't get much REM sleep, but it adds up, right? You feel refreshed after you wake up at 10 in the morning hammered, especially if you don't have the kids in the morning,

which we didn't, which was awesome. But nonetheless, you're going to be sweating. And around 6 p.m. You're going to need some water, and you're going to need to hurry up and get your ass there on time. And Kyle was sweating his ass off. And he was getting dressed in the closet. And my dad actually is so concerned.

And this just illustrates what a loving, carrying dad my dad is he's not only like giving us all his extra suit socks his ties uh not the ties because we actually had to wear the ties yeah i had to borrow tux shoes that whole thing he's worried about kyle overheating so he made kyle get dressed under an air conditioning vet so we're back there getting ready we're about to go down there and take pictures kyle's standing under an air conditioning vent is hot as fucking scottstale but by the time the The sun peaks over the little mountains there. It is gorgeous.

That desert air is amazing and the temperature drops like 20 degrees. And it's like a painting. When I tell you, whenever Kyle shows your pictures of this wedding, he looked like a cologne model, like a plus size cologne model standing there with those cacti in the background. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful wedding. He was only outshined by his lovely wife. So congratulations to Kate and Kyle.

They were awesome. And I want to bet. naturally I was side betting like things like I think this is a really fun thing you can do at weddings read when you start going to weddings depends on the wedding you go to you got to you got to read the room side bet like which bridesmaid is going to stumble you can put side bets on that you can put side bets on is the groom going to cry well I laid 50 bucks on Kyle at two to one odds in my favor that he was not going to cry everybody thought he was going to break down crying because there is a sensitive side to that big, tough, burly guy.

And all of us, it comes out and all of us up there. And these side bets obviously were between you and your parents, right? Side bets were between me and another groomsman. Actually, the side bet was between me and the officiant, who actually had to go to take a course on how to be a, like, a clergyman. I guess, you know, like some weddings, you know, you get my buddy, Tom Pau. Paul Katt married us, me and my lovely wife way back in the day here. And so we call him Father Tom.

Well, he's not of the church. Neither is Frank Prakowski, who's a former NBA player. And if you Google him, you know who he is. He's like a longtime buddy. Well, he had to take, you know, he had to go through some course to get his little clergy card. Six foot eight guy. I mean, he used to be 6.11.

So you had 6'8 priest for the weekend gambling with me in the tunnel. before we went out and he thought Kyle was gonna lose at waterworks. Kyle kept it together Kyle first thing I see Kyle after the vows I give him a big hug I tell him how proud I have congratulations

and he's like I won you some money huh? So I appreciate that awesome wedding no bridesmaid stumbled and it was small it was safe it was outside and everybody did a great job pulling it off.

I remember my wedding here in Virginia many moons ago and it was as Virginia is in late June it was like a wet blanket outside and I wasn't crying I was crying through my pores and I was crying Jack Daniels through my pores

and it was a lot of fun I mean that one was a night that you never forget but you have to remember that your wedding is a blur and I'm sure I'm sure Kyle and Kate are on to the next thing and the next thing is the rest of their lives

so I'm wishing them the best. While I was gone, I know a lot of sports happen. Reed, you just read me a really important. Yeah, the Panthers have requested permission to interview the Eagles assistant director of player personnel, Ian Cunningham. He'll be interviewing for the assistant GM job in Carolina. That's a big deal, dude. Ian Yates Cunningham, if you're a Philly fan,

you know, I just wanted to shout out Ian real quick. Ian and I play college ball together, and I think he's the next great GM in the NFL. I really do. The guy's so sharp. I mean, he sacrificed a lot, like working in Philly, his family would be in Texas and that sort of thing.

Those guys worked so hard. Long hours. I can remember asking Ian before, like, you know, how do you do it? Like, what's, is there a light at the end of the tunnel? I mean, those guys just put their head down and they work their asses off. So love the fact that Ian's getting an interview

for something like that. And I think he's the next great GM in the NFL. You heard it here first. Also, Mike Vic ran a 4-7. while we were gone, which I was very encouraged by. Somebody tweeted me as if to say like, damn, Chris, you're going to let this 40-year-old beat you? Okay, first off, I'm 36.

First off, I ran 4-7 at the Combine at 23 in peak physical condition 13 years ago. Okay? Michael Vic is one of the greatest athletes to ever walk the earth. I'm feeling pretty good about my 5-1 at 36. I might feel better at my 5-1 at 36, and Michael Vic probably feels about his 4-7 at 40. I'm actually feeling pretty good about that.

I might have dust off the cleats, get under five. But in the summer, I think I might run a sub-five. Yeah, track workouts. Let's do it. Also, pitcher, don't know his name, didn't look that deeply into the headline, broke his pinky playing video games.

An MLB pitcher broke his pinky playing video games, and he is out for a while. three days after Bryce Harper took like this is one thing I saw when I was a vacation Bryce Harper got hit by a hundred mile per hour fastball and some of you are going to be like especially you hockey fans you sensitive motherfuckers you're going to tell me oh it was 85 miles an hour that makes a big difference

he got hit right in the in the face so baseball really tough one day not so tough the next day hockey and baseball going head to head yeah Jesus Lazzardo was the pitcher who broke his pinky. He broke the pinky then played the game. Oh, so he played hurt. Yeah. So now he can't play baseball

anymore, but he can keep playing Halo or whatever it was. I wonder what game, what game makes you throw your controller? I know a lot of people say 2K, but if you remember playing fight night circa 2000, well, you motherfuckers behind the desk wouldn't remember

at JMU. You guys were the year I'm about to say 2006. Where were you all in 2006? Little league? Yeah, Little League. They were in Little League. Yeah, down the road. Well, I was down the street behind West Main, down the hill at the Fred, and me and 20 dudes were pregame and every night playing fight night on Xbox, the original Xbox. And when I tell you, dudes actually fought over that game, like, dudes would fight over

a boxing game. It was incredible how many controllers got broken, couches got flipped. The most frustrating thing is to get beat up on a video game in a room full of guys. naturally that's got to end with some sort of physical conflict for this baseball pitcher it's it's culturally different for baseball players self-destructive right i wonder what he was playing maybe he was playing the show according to a's manager bob melvin he was playing the video game before the game and accidentally bumped his hand on the desk as he was playing the game oh he was just mashing the buttons he wasn't even mad he was just in game listen it's better that happened on the field so to

than on the sideline. If that happened like, because he was pissed off, because I don't know, he got knocked out by Jake Lamata in Fight Night. That's bad deal. Jake Lamata had the most tremendous punching power of all time in the video game. Also see the movie Raging Bull or Don't.

Incredibly depressing. So baseball, hockey going head to head right now as far as who's the toughest. I don't know, we got the whole summer to figure it out. NFL draft, we are gonna talk about it today with my goal. Love having Mike on. I think, you know, I say this before he came on the last time last summer.

I mean, his career. And last summer when he came on was about the time that he was moving on from ESPN, I believe. He's just had a blueprint of a career and a guy that can always give you a measured take that players respect because he's not over the top. So love having Mike on. He read a pick for the Eagles this weekend and did a pretty good job. I'll ask him about that. I'll ask him about, you know, quarterbacks. We'll talk about protecting quarterbacks.

will talk about, you know, what he sees next year in the draft, because never too early. Anyways, me and Mike Golick are going to chat about football for quite a while. At the end of that, you are dismissed. Class dismissed. I will say this, happy May 4th. May the 4th be with you. Cowboy, do you like Star Wars? It's all right. Certainly wasn't lining up and didn't dive in dark too hard. you were very yeah you weren't lining up in theaters because you weren't even born yet right exactly yeah even for the uh next three those are well nobody was right let me say that people that go to comic con like the next three you know what i mean and i don't mean that disparagingly but like i one time

walked into a hotel at the espies you were there and i checked in at 11 o'clock at night and there's like job of the huts right there and like princess lea and like there's like a dragon ball z character and i'm like these motherfuckers are living their best life they're comic con people. Those are the people that went to see like all the, because you lose me if you go out of order and you go backwards. Right. You know, I don't know that much about Star Wars, but I really do like Star Wars. And I wrote down my three most memorable Star Wars scenes here. I'm not saying they're the best. They're the ones I can't get out of my head.

I bet I could put, I know one of them. See if you can guess. Go ahead. Give me one. It's the canteena scene. Canteenas scenes totally in your top three. Are you talking about the bar? Yeah. Yeah, dude, that one's up there. I should probably put that one in there. You know, that might,

Jabba the Hut was on my list, like that whole thing. But I might, I might slide that off the list. The first time you see Jabba the Hut? You want to sit with him. Yeah. But then you realize that he'd probably have you killed.

And the thing in the pit doesn't care at all. Right. How many people are making out of that? Number one scene that I can't get out of my head to trash scene. the garbage disposal scene. Like when you think about claustrophobia, I think about that scene

and Chewy with all the garbage around him, the scrap metal, and it's just the garbage juice is just rising and rising. And that little snake thing that was swimming around? Oh, what's that? And Han Solo's there.

And I love Han Solo. He might have been my favorite character in the whole thing. I think Han, yeah. Yeah. He's everybody's favorite character. Is he? He ought to be.

There's a bunch of chalky Luke Skywalker fans running around out there. But yeah, probably that that's my number one. I'll go number two, you're right, the bar. I can't get it out of my head. Number three,

climbing inside the dead alien animal, the caribou type thing. Which the Revenant obviously liked that scene as well. Yeah, they basically mirrored it. I don't know which one, which one came first? The Hugh Glass climbing in a bear

or whatever year, Star Wars. You're right. You don't know. in actuality in real life Star Wars copied the Revitant because they were trading fur in the 1800s The Star Wars is set in the future

Another one I love the scene With the guys up on the hill The Sand Men And they're chasing him around There's little desert like floating convertible I love Star Wars Some of y'all are listening Like you're butchering all details of the movie

But happy May 4th I'm more of a Spaceballs fan I don't know if they have a May date or whatever but no space balls we should watch baseballs i think you would like if you you've seen it no i've seen it but i was a good kid i couldn't tell you shit about it and i it's a cult classic so i'm i'm in i'm in mortal combat came out this week by the way and yeah it seems to be everybody's duty to tell us that it sucks on twitter like what did you expect the first one is one of the most hilariously bad movies

of all time but here's my thing on the new mortal combat it is really hard to make a bad movie it's redeemable. Like there's redeeming watchable qualities in 2021. Movies are supposed to be good in 2021. When Mortal Kombat, the original was made in the 90s, like we all ate it up because movies were bad in the 90s, okay? Action movies. And then circle back to 2019 when I watched it again for the first time.

One of the funniest movies I've ever seen. 2021, the year of only good movies. Yeah, exactly. only be good. Dumb and Dumber and the original Mortal Kombat, two of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I mean, it's classic. Go dust off the old one.

Don't bother with the second one. I'm not even gonna do it. Let's have Mike Golick Jr.'s dad on. Mike Golick Sr. All right, so as promised on Twitter, and this is always popular in the Philly contingency, especially after this weekend, because he nailed it at the podium.

Mike Golick, former Eagle. You know him from TV, from radio. Mike, how we doing? I'm doing well, doing well just had a great time in my hometown Dank to play Dude it was really cool to see you up there The Eagles have made their draft picks

And your Mike Golick Made the very first Very first one or second one Mike So second round Okay so how did you feel up there How was that whole experience Well it was cool because they served Beer in the green room

So that was cool No let me tell you The neat thing about it Chris was, I'm sitting back there and they obviously still with COVID, they have kind of rooms spread out. But in the rooms, you know, a number of people can sit in there. I found myself trading stories with Franco Harris, John Randall, Anthony Munoz, and me. So one of these things just doesn't belong. They all had their gold jackets on. Hey, you felt like me when I was up on stage of Man of the Year with all those guys.

The exact same guys you were talking about. And I'm looking around. I'm like, what am I doing here? Yes, I was. But I mean, listen, and they were all at one point over the last two decades. They've been on my radio show. Munoz has been on a ton of times. But still, just to talk with them and swap stories,

Randall looks like he could still play. He does. His legs are monstrous. But it was, that was really cool. So there was that moment of, you know, why am I here? You know, you don't think of me as football legend, but I know the media career had something to do with it. It was cool, you know, and it was my hometown. So walking out on that stage, you know, with all the, all the Cleveland fans there, it was pretty cool.

There was beer before and after. Oh, there was beer before. Yeah. And as I was telling you before, my niece got married that next day. So I actually went from the draft calling, making the pick to the rehearsal dinner after party. That's amazing. There was beer in the green room, and then I had beer later that night at the after-rehearsal party. So it was nice.

It was always nice to sip a cocktail there, but it was very cool to go out there and make the pick. And I was so happy when I got back there. A little inside here, when you see the pick is in and you think it's just made, the pick's in a lot sooner than that. Like I had the card and knew who the Eagles picked two picks before they were up. Oh, really? So, I mean, yeah, they come in a little sooner than people think. It's not like, when you hear the bell, did it in, did it, ding, ding, and then the pick us in, they have been in because I was back and there was one person up there making the pick two before Philly,

and there was still one other person that had to go make the pick before Philly, and I had the card in my hand of Landon Dickerson, you know, and I was so happy that it was a name I could pronounce. Exactly. And a guy that we know, I mean, he's a stud. I mean, durability is. I want to ask you how nervous you were because like not only you back there with, although John Randall is the nicest guy, got a chance to meet him once or twice, but like you just can't get the picture of him with eye black all over his face,

burnout of your brain, and you think he might just like drive you through the elevator door. I shared an elevator with him at the Super Bowl. But the other two guys are sweetest can be. Like that had to ease the tension maybe a little bit for you? Or were you just nervous as hell to give the picture? No, I, you know, listen, I've kind of had a microphone a lot in my life. this was kind of a different experience. So my main concern was don't screw up his name.

Now, what did I do before I made the pick? I had just done a video for the Eagles backstage talking about how great the move to go up to get Devante Smith was. And then I go out on stage and I say to the crowd and on TV, great move by the Eagles going up and getting. And I said, Devante Davis. For some reason I said Davis. I didn't even realize I said it until afterward. obviously I got pummeled for it, but then but then picked Landon Dickerson. But I wasn't I wasn't too nervous about it.

I was just happy I got a good name, but I'm not going to lie. They had to come find me because Franco Harris was really the one kind of telling the most stories back there. You know, we talked about their four Super Bowls, the two back-to-backs and 74, 75, what was it, 78, 79? He actually said 76 he thought was their best team. Wow. they didn't win it. So you're hearing stories from Franco Harris, you know, about that. That was really,

really cool. Well, you're in the vault with one of the all-time greats, with not only one of the all-time greats, but when you played in the 70s for the Steelers, the stories are more colorful than they are, you know, if you were part of a dynasty in the 2000s, which, I don't know, very cool, man. It was cool to see up there.

And let's talk about the pick, Devante Smith, Devante Davis, to some. By the way, that was why, and I was at a wedding too this weekend we were talking about who's Sydney your daughter was at and it caught up with her she's awesome as is your whole family but like I saw Mike Jr. had quote

Twitter and was like y'all take it easy on my dad and I was like oh shit what did he say that must have been it okay I didn't catch that because everything I saw you aced it but you you ace giving that pick out how about the Eagles grade for the first round pick you like it oh I like it I know they went up a couple spots for it and you always you always work out and I learned it years ago from Jimmy Johnson when he worked the draft for ESPN one year, his point total of

trades within the first round and how you go a point total. And if you gave up enough or didn't get enough. And I think it was an excellent move to get Smith. I mean, listen, if Hertz is going to be the guy, give him some weapons. Give him, give him a chance out there. And everybody talked about Smith and the fact he weighed 166. Man, I don't care about that. Listen, you're 166, you're 200 pounds. If you get splashed the right way, you're going to get hurt. It don't matter, you know, those few pounds. So I do like the pick.

I like what he's going to bring. I think he's going to help hurts a lot. I like Dickerson, the second pick. I mean, and I announce it a lot of people are jumping on me as well saying, dude's the center, not a guard. I said, no, no, he does it all. Yeah, but, you know, you got a center, Jason Kelsey, for as long as he's going to be around.

I know he's been Nick's, well, he was actually the healthiest one last year. But, you know, he'll play guard. He'll eventually play center. But any time you mentioned guard or center, those guys can play them both anyway. But I like those first two picks. So think about it, all teammates again between Hertz and Landon and DeLonte. I mean, it's pretty wild. They could mostly, garden center is mostly interchangeable.

I don't think Patrick Mahomes wants to put his hand between my brother's legs this year. He's just not a center belt. No, no. If your brother's not guard, he'll be out of right tack. He'll be out of tackle. And boy, did they load up. Speaking of, I mean, offensive line, those guys are stacked. They're going to have five good players on the field no matter what.

But as far as that pick is concerned, my question is this, because I'm excited about the Eagles getting their guy. You know, they were able to trade back and get them. I think they traded back initially. Probably, and I haven't heard the quotes or anything like that. But I would thought they're going back for a corner. Well, both those guys are gone. they go back and they get Devante Smith,

whether they said that's why they went back or not. It's one of those things, if you trade back and you get a receiver, he's got to be a stud, and Waddle definitely can't be better than him by a wide margin, because they went through this last year. Now, I'm not saying Rager is not going to be a stud. One year in that situation, I don't care who it is. So they can't line up.

Rager could be the guy. Devante Smith could be a really good too. I don't know. But what can't happen is you can't tank this pick, and then Waddle thrive because you could have had him at six. No, that's exactly right. Because you see what Philly did and going back in the draft and then before the draft and then moving up.

But you're right. It's kind of like when Trubisky went two and then Deshaun Watson went and then Patrick Mahomes went. So it's like, okay, you took that guy at two and we see what happens. He's not even with the Bears anymore as a Buffalo. And you say, okay, you had the chance and you screwed that up. So you're right. That's GMs, you know, decision makers have to look at that all the time. of where we went to get who we got and who we could have had.

And yeah, you know, you sit there and hate to wish bad on somebody, but if you're in Howie's position, it's not that maybe you're wishing bad on one, you're wishing great on the other and say, hey, we made the right move here. If you're Howie, you're rooting against very respectfully, just from a performance standpoint, three guys this year. They're rooting against Justin Jefferson, okay? Looks like he's going to be a Hall of Famer at Whiteout. They're rooting against, obviously now Jalen Waddle, and they're rooting against Carson Wentz.

They want Carson Wentz to not play so well in Indy because it directly affects their draft capital next year. The thing that stood up to me, and teams, I don't know, like I feel like they get their handburn on the stove and they don't go back to a certain position. So kudos to Howie for being bold enough to take one on the chin last year with Jalen Rager and say, you know what, I'm going to burn the ships and we're going to try to get this position right. because behind Jalen Rager, who again, I don't think is a bust or anything like that, you've got to give guys time now. But you're talking about like Mack Hollins in the fourth. You trade Dennis Kelly, who played in Tennessee for a long time, was very serviceable for Dorio Breen Beckham, I'm sorry.

And then J.J.R. Artega Whiteside, who people in Philly know well. They don't know him well outside Philly. And there's no disrespect to the kid because this is a tough deal. He was probably surprised who's drafted that high. Yeah. So they've been missing on some wide-out. So really, it's interesting to me that, you know, when a team has the balls to go back to the same position

and try to get it right. I agree. And plus, you have to understand what you did. You got rid of your quarterback, and now you're putting your eggs in the young quarterback's basket. So the smart thing is to, okay, let's get them some receivers. And we know from a GM's perspective or whoever's going to make that pick's perspective, first round pick you always got a hit on.

And you got a hit on it's somebody better just so we talk about than a Waddler position where you could have had him. The next thing is, did you find those gems from round three to seven? Again, I keep going back to Jimmy Johnson. He was phenomenal at that. I mean, Hall of Fame offensive linemen, you know, in rounds four, five, six, and seven the way he played. So your first round's got to hit and you've got to be able to strike some gold in those other rounds. With, again, names that aren't going to be household names, but all of a sudden when they get their chance, chance, you go, oh, wow, and you got him in the fourth round, man, great move.

Because that's, as you know, the whole idea of the draft after that first round is to get somebody who maybe has the value of a second rounder in the third round or get someone with the value of the third round in the fourth round and then get a guy who's going to hit. That's obviously the magic. Take me back to the 80s. You were, and they had 10 rounds. Were there more than 10? There were 12.

There were 12. So you were a 10th rounder. you come in, you're almost bookending that draft, and you're one of these Diamond and the Rough players that played a hell of a long time or key part of key units, and they found you in the 10th round. And then the other side of it,

you've got Ray Childress. He's your first round pick that year, and he was a dominant player, right? So what's it like you dropping into Houston in the mid-80s and, you know, that experience, but also the difference between the pressure of a first pick, and the 10th pick who has no pressure, but not much going for him other than his cleats.

Yeah, it's exactly right. I mean, first and foremost, it's the difference at the draft that somebody getting called second in the draft and somebody getting called. Back then, there was only two days of the draft. I got called at midnight on the second day. Yeah.

As picked 255, my brother Bob, who was in the NFL at that point, had come to Notre Dame to hang out, brought cases of beer. We got drunk, sobered up, and drunk again. when I got the call. That's how long it was. You were hung over. Yeah, that's the difference of Ray Childers getting called in the first 20 minutes of the draft.

Yeah. And me getting called at midnight on the second day of the draft. But then you're right, you know, pressures off, but also the likelihood of 10th rounders making the team wasn't good. Yeah. So, you know, it was just, you've just got to go do your thing where Ray comes in and Ray held out. This is back for obviously way before the rookie wage scale. Ray held out. He came in a little before the season.

And, you know, this is back when they did the old shaving of the heads to the rookies and stuff. And to his credit, he sat right in the middle of the field and they shaved his head. He, you know, played along with it well. And this is a dude that went 100 miles an hour and shorts and a T-shirt. He didn't care. He was a heck of a player. But for me, man, I had to go balls out all the time. Every rep I can if someone hesitated to run in for a rep, I had to sprint in there.

I had to get as much time on tape as I could to try and do things right. to make the team. So it definitely is a different perspective. We even took another line that Richard Bird from Mississippi in the third or fourth round. So, you know, he's going to get a lot of looks as well. And he played for a number of years and did well. So I was like, you know, hey, you know, hopefully we get something out of this guy and luckily it worked out. But it is a different mentality when you're coming in from pick two to pick 255. How did you, you stay in touch with anybody in that class? You know what? In all honestly, I have not. I stay in touch more with the ego guys where I was the most. My quarterback there was Warren Moon. I see Warren at Super Bowls every now and then.

But that class, no, I haven't. You know, it was on the end of that class was Steve Tasker. Yeah. Was in that class. It turned out to be, you know, whenever they start giving out pro bowl for special teams, what they should, he's a guy that's going to be in it. He's also an amazing guy. I was just on his show up in Buffalo, and he just seems like an incredibly humble. really good dude and super underrated and one of those kind of guys that was the heartbeat of a team and it's funny you mention that because you know like i was the second pick and then like down to mr irrelevant because we had mr relevant that year in david vbora i think people picture classes as being like the guys come in and the high picks hang out with the high picks and that sort of thing like

there's within the class it's like this bubble where there's no status yes you know what i mean like the dudes that get on the plane to go to St. Louis or Houston or wherever you're drafting and get off the plane together and they weigh in the same day, we're all the same. But that's not the reality

and outside of that bubble. Ignorance is bliss. It's our job to just put our heads down and play. I stay tight with all those guys in my class. Not tight, but I keep in touch with all of them. It's kind of cool. I think there's something about being in a class together, but yours was a long time ago.

I think, oh, thanks for that. I think that you make a great point because, you know, that should be said because I would never want to give the thought that there was that separation amongst players. We all hung out. I mean, Ray was as good a dude as there was. So was, you know, Dickie Berg, Richard Bird. I mean, our, we did. We all hung out together.

Everybody was cool. The separation comes with the coaches and management. You know, that's where the automatic separation is. Well, they'll look at you and say, you're a 10th rounder for a reason. He's a number two pick for a reason. You know, we know where that that scale is. But amongst players, man, you all put on your pad, you all put on your helmet, you all root for one another. So the players, it's always a good deal.

And the vets are all giving us all shit. So I mean. Yeah, exactly. So tell me this. You get drafted in 1986? 85. 85. Okay.

So your 10th round, you're waiting. You get hammered twice. You and Bob, who, by the way, for people listening, Bob Golick played with my dad. And so, like, he was the first Golick I ever knew. And so, like, Golick used to come over the house and hang out with Pops all the time. He was, like, my favorite uncle. Nolan Harrison used to come over the house. Nolan Harrison gave me all his Nintendo games.

Like, I had some good friends. When he was tired of him, he just gave me 20 Nintendo games. Good friends. Thanks, Dad. Bo Jackson was at the house. But I guess I say that to say this. You're sitting through two episodes of binge drinking. How are you keeping track of the gym?

draft. Like, my dad gets drafted. He gets a phone call on a landline in Charlestown. He's at his grandmother's house. Like, how do you keep up with what the hell's going on? There's like, I mean, listen, it's college, man. That's when we drink best. We can multitask. I can watch TV and drink at the same time. But they had it on TV back in the day like that all through 10 rounds. You know what? You're right. They probably didn't. I think it was my agent. You know, that part I don't remember. Maybe there was too many Genesee Cremails involved in that. But I think it might have been my agent keeping me up on things. Somehow, I know this.

I didn't miss a call in the sixth round that somebody, it's not like they tried to call and I just didn't answer because I was too hammered. Oh, you would have gone on in the sixth round if you picked up the phone. You just got like, you got like your buddy calling you in the third round. You think it's somebody else. So this year, I mean, we talk about like the expectations of being a rookie and that sort of thing. When you come into camp, the pressures, there's one rookie that when he walks into camp this year, because of the capital,

because of the dynamic, the capital that it took to get him, because of the position he plays, and the buzz leading up to the draft, like Justin Fields is going to have like an interesting situation he's walking into. And I do believe that they feel like Andy Dalton's going to play for a while this year,

at least, because that buys them time. And I think this whole pick was about, not only trying to do the right thing, but buying them some fucking time here. What do you expect out of Justin's, Justin Fields, if you and I are vets sitting in the D-Line room, what do we want to see from this guy?

And what are we thinking when we hear Andy Dalton is going to play part of the year? Justin Fields maybe. Like, what are we thinking? That's, I think, one of the big differences of what fans see and expect out of a rookie quarterback and what happens if you're a vet. Now, I was fortunate never ran into that situation with a Warren Moon in Houston and a Randall Cunningham in Philly with a Jim McMahon when he was heard. and then a Dan Marino in Miami.

But, you know, having certainly a ton of friends who have played in the league, and I know I would have felt this way, it's as soon as you put that, I don't care what the expectation is. Is anybody expecting, you know, Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence to make a run to the Super Bowl? No. I think Trevor is going to, you know, I hope all these quarterbacks are great. But, but, you know, history says two, maybe three are going to be at most out of the five that went in the first round.

We know how that's worked. It's not like the draft where Eli, Philip, and Ben all went in the first round and are all going to be Hall of Famers. You don't get that a lot. So the thought is, I guarantee you in Chicago, they will want, everybody will believe Andy Dalton will be ready to start the season unless Justin Fields comes in and just blows everybody away. And the vets will want Andy Dalton to play because, man, you don't know how many years you get.

That defense, they've had that really good defense for a couple of years. And you know on defense a couple years ago, they led the league in internal horses. The first thing I said is, don't expect that the next year. You know, that shit rarely happens two years in a row. Right.

So you've got to try and make pay while you have that great defense. And let me just say, you're not going to make pay with a great defense with a rookie quarterback. So you better hope Andy Dalton, who has had really good regular seasons and then struggled in the playoffs, you better hope he plays well. Because all of a sudden, if he's not and you go to Justin Field, if you're a vet in that locker and we're like,

Okay, rebuilding from the quarterback position and the most important position on the field has begun. And we're going to pay the price for it because we're going to have a difficult time winning. And in all honesty, I know that's the move they should have made, but I think by the time Justin Fields' second year is the full-time starter, I think there's going to be a different GM and a different coach. We know how that works, man.

So you don't think it's going to buy them this year? No, I do not. I think what's going to happen is they've seen some, listen, Nagy came in and was coach of the year. And then it's obviously been a struggle since then. So outside of a really good year, like playoffs and maybe do something, I think the belief is going to be, you know what? We think we have a good quarterback going to the future,

but we think we're going to need different leadership to take them more. That's really interesting. I mean, I guess I'm wondering what the, we've, use this term at this podcast, but what's the Mendoza line for them from a record and like how things go standpoint? What's it got to take for them to be there for year two of Justin Fields and execute the plan of easing him into it and actually enjoying the quarterback they drafted? Yeah, it's good. That's a great question because Mitch, remember Mitch came in didn't obviously start right while Fox was there before Nagy.

Oh, Joe Foxx, yeah. John Fox. And again, Negi is the coach of the year. You know, and now he's supposed to bring this quarterback along. Yeah. You know, and it seemed that second year with Mitch and Nagy together that something changed, something just wasn't hitting. Yeah, I think it was the right move. I like Justin Fields. I think Dalton will start the year unless Fields just blows them away, but I think Dalton will.

And I really think that there's going to be a new coach in GM by the time this thing really gets going the year after. If I'm sitting there, I feel the same way as you. We would be sitting in a locker and you and I if we play together. I'd be saying, I don't feel like dealing with a year in my prime or the prime of this defense. And this isn't an indictment on Justin Fields because I don't know it. It could have been maybe it's outside of Trevor Lawrence. If you draft Trevor Lawrence at 10, you probably think let this kid play right now,

but nothing's a sure thing. And you know that as a defensive lineman or a player in the NFL, that it just takes time and I don't want to waste my year. You know, and it's not a waste. It's not a waste for Justin Fields, not a waste for that offense. but if no because any time on the field is good unless you're just getting beat to shit like my friend sam bradford and st louis or something like that he's athletic enough that he can protect himself um he'll take time but not on my watch you know like hey if he's ready if he if dalton doesn't

if dalton looks bad in camp and and justin feels looks good we'd be the first ones to be like play him play them. Well, I mean, you play the best person and the fields is the best playing. I want, again, as vets in the locker, and we want the best chance to win. Yep. You know, and if that's Dalton, great, if it's fields great, if it's Dalton's who starts out and things aren't going well and they put fields in, we're all just kind of, that's when you kind of start to get that. We're all playing for that common goal and now that goal is kind of going to the wayside. So, all right, man, I got to have a really good year. Yeah, what is the goal here, right? You know, like I keep you, I got all these signs on the walls.

What do they mean? Okay, so say it's not Justin Fields and it's a quarterback like a Zach Wilson walking into a locker room full of veterans, a team that you're expecting, maybe unrealistically, that you'll compete, which we're very good at tricking ourselves and to believe in that in the NFL

if we're not actually very good. Zach Wilson, what do you want to see out of a Zach Wilson? Like from a leadership standpoint, I think fans have this unrealistic concept of, this guy walks in, he needs to break down the huddle he needs to do this like what personality are you looking for like the first summer i think the best thing and i think this is for any player and i learned this from my dad but obviously the quarterback position is the is the position that really needs to know the

most so the best thing i think these young quarterbacks can do is make sure you know everything in the playbook because you're going to even though you're going to make mistakes a don't make try not to make the same mistake twice you try and learn from all your mistakes but how quickly are you grasping the huddle because the quicker you grasp that, the sooner you're going to get the confidence of everybody else in that huddle. If you're making the right checks at the line, now I don't know if they'll have the line doing that more for him at first and he'll aware where he's going to help out in that. But if nothing else, if he's making the right checks and he's getting into the right plays and he's thrown to the right receiver, even though

it may not be complete every now and then, that's a great step in the right direction. See, that's what I said about, about Darnold, Sam Darnel, is I didn't, I wasn't buying into Sam out of college. And let me preface this by saying, whenever an analyst says something may be negative about somebody,

we're not wishing bad on that guy. I hope Sam Darnold goes on and is great somewhere. I really do. I'll take it. I'll be wrong. I don't care. But what I saw to him in college, I saw on the pros,

inconsistency, turning the ball over. And I know everybody was screaming, well, he didn't have a team around them. And I get it. that's fine. Even without a team around you, you still can show something where you say, okay, I still think he's got the goods. Hell, Peyton Manning through what, 25, 28 interceptions

his first year, but you still kind of knew the way he played, he's got something there, right? And I still didn't see that out of Sam even when they were losing. So that's what I need to see out of his act because he's on a team that isn't, even though they had a really good draft, they're not going to push for anything this year. So what does he know from the neck up? And then how does he do physically? And then the more confidence he has in the offense, the more confidence everybody else has in him.

And then, you know, he's in charge of that huddle in that office. I think one of the hardest things is you've got to be yourself because you're shit out of luck. If you don't have it and you got to pretend to have it, it's never going to work out. And I think that's it. And that's not to say you couldn't be something great in life. but this is pro football

and it takes a lot of poise to walk in the locker room and everybody be like, I want to see what we got out of that kid. Like I remember I was getting on the elevator in like Radio City and like two of the Rams who were like, because we had some really good old veterans like kind of like I went to shake their hand and they kind of looked at me like the work starts and I already knew it, you know, like in my head

because when I got drafted I felt like it wasn't an accomplishment it was the beginning of another challenge but like you get that vibe immediately that like everybody at radio city is really excited for you get on the the elevator with two guys and they're like all right let's get to work and i think you got to have the right mentality without going overboard to try to be somebody like something you saw in a movie or on tv like shakes your teammates hands introduce yourself be firm but you're right the way i'm going to judge you is not your personality as much as it is your poise and and and your aptitude.

And you said it best. Don't try and be more than you are. Yep. Because, you know, listen, the one thing I said for years, and you know this, we spend so much time together that, man, if you're fake or you're putting on a facade, people are going to know that. I mean, I look at guys again at the quarterback position, a guy like Russell Wilson, third round wasn't expected to start, but came in, showed work ethic, first one in,

last one out, you know, showed that ability. And so there was confidence in him when as a third rounder, you know, he ended up being the starter. Let's look a year ahead real quick and then we'll zoom back out. But I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, who's this team next year? Because the way I looked at it and you think it's pissing in the wind, so to speak. I'm sure there's a better adjective or a metaphor. Nagy and Pace you think are gone in a year. I think maybe it buys them some time or at least in intention.

They're trying to do the right thing and buy themselves some time. Who is it a franchise next year that's going to do this same thing? A coach, a GM, a team? Could it be a team like Denver? They're trying with Locke and with Teddy. You know, Teddy gets traded there. If they're not working, is that a team? Because a lot of people thought they might have been a team this year to do that.

And then when they didn't, everybody thought, are they going to get Aaron Rogers? Yeah. You know, is it going to be that team? You know, is it going to be, I think Washington could be a pretty good team. But who's next? You know, they get Fitz who we all love Fitzmaic. Yeah. Love the guy.

It's year to year. You don't like, you don't know how long he wants to play. You don't, and I really want to see him crush it because this is his best opportunity to like lead a team. Agreed. We got through the draft. We got through the draft. Nothing happened.

I'm like, you know, I felt the way I used to feel as a player when they were getting ready to draft somebody to replace me or weren't for Fitsy. You know, like, I just want to see him get a year where he has the keys to like a real deal team. And they are. If you look at the work they've done. The defense, they built that defense like San Fran did with all the number one picks on that D line. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. A bunch of U's on the D line. Well, shit, our D line was, it's unreal. They had Robert Quinn. They had Kendall Langford, another first round, Aaron Donald. We poured like four first rounders in that set. But that's the way you got to do it on defense. And they've done a great job.

They did well offensively, too, with McLaren as well. So rooting for Fitsy. I'm going to throw one more. Okay, throw me one more. Probably the same one. I think they picked up his option, so it might be a little tougher. The one other, I would say, is a Carolina where Sam Darnold went because they're going to start to say, okay, we got to make a move.

But what if he struggles again? What if he struggles? Matt Rule is going to be going into his third year then and going, okay, you know, we tried with one quarterback. We traded. We got another quarterback if it's not working. You know, are we going to have to make a move for one? Yeah, I like Carolina a lot because I think it could work out.

And also they didn't give up enough to like really set you back to get him, which I think is nice. I mean, so they're taking a flyer on a kid who, a top five quarterback that God knows of the law of Adam Gates, the law of the jets, the law of like and so on. Like you're going to get something. You're going to get something more out of him. So I think that's good. But at the same time, you're right. You could be sitting back here in a year saying like we don't have our guy and that's fine. And they could be a team to move up.

This one's a little unorthodox because it's not in his DNA. but what do people do when they're in desperation? They do the exact opposite of what they know. And that's Dave Gettelman and the Giants, I think. I mean, I don't think Joe Judge's seat is going to be hot next year, no matter what happens. I really like Joe, and I think the players really like him, and I think they're going to move in the right direction.

But here's a scenario. And I think actually if you're a Giants fan, what you might be more afraid of is like an incremental improvement, 8 and 8 and a re-up on Danny Dimes. Yeah. He's still saying. So I think. I think actually the Giants could be that team next year when you look at it to play poorly enough,

and I say this respectfully, because they're going to be a competent, competitive team, but they could play poorly enough that they're in range to trade up next year and be this year's Chicago. I say that because, you know, we say Gettelman never trades up. He only, he actually never traded back until this draft, right? This was his first one. Yep. He could try to do something out of character next year to try to save his job. and if I look at it,

I don't have a lot of impediments in the way. It's hard to forecast the bad teams. You and I both know this. There's going to be one or two teams that are in a crater and we're going to have no idea how it happened. But look at the teams I was looking at. Like Houston, for sure.

No matter what happens with Deshawn Watson on any level, they're probably shopping for a quarterback. Right. You said it. Carolina could be shopping for a quarterback. They could be bad enough that they could just pick a quarterback outright. Detroit could pick a quarterback outright.

But those, I can't see a lot of impediments in the top five to seven. that the Giants would have to leapfrog that don't already have their guy because two teams that will struggle, we mentioned them, the Jets and the Jags, they got their guy.

They're going to eat up two spots in top five to seven, I think. That's exactly right. So I think the Giants, they could be in range to make a splash next year. I mean, it's a long way. It's a team I had down too.

They were a little lower on my list, but I agree. I think, and you said it perfectly. The worst thing in the world is that incremental improvement, where you're like, okay, are we buying this, that we're still going to take the next step with this guy and this crew, or do we start to make a move?

And it is so out of government's nature as well to do that, like I said. So that would be a real interesting one to keep an eye on. Yeah, it would be, man. I just think it's fun to think about next year because, you know, anytime you're picking quarterbacks, we've said this a bunch, if you want to reach and get your guy now, and I had this critique of the Eagles, when are you going to be at five again?

If you're at five again next year, that quarterback class, and I know things change year to year, and we don't see it a year out all the time, but it doesn't look as loaded as this year. So there's that as well. The musical chairs game could be pretty... Yeah, that's the thing. Who are they getting ready to maybe trade up and get?

Who's going to be that guy next year? Is it the kid out of North Carolina? Howell? I like Hal to the Giants, man. I told my colleagues making as a big Giants fan. I said maybe you'll have Sam Howell next year. Protecting QBs, okay? I knew you've got to have an opinion on this,

being a lineman, you know, Burrow doesn't get Sewell, he gets Chase, you know, Herbert gets Slater. Yep. I mean, that's about as differently as a day could go in that respect. And one guy's athletic and one guy's not as he's more stationary and the wrong guy got the protection. How did you feel? Well, I said this in doing some interviews up before the drought. Actually, I did it. I said it on Mike Show, my son, the former O lineman, who he played on the wrong side of the ball.

But still, and O-Lyman, we were kind of breaking down. And it was like with Burrow and Cincinnati, if you could take what Kyle Pitts was gone already. But the thought was a receiver, who there's chance was Jamar Chase or Sewell, Penai Sewell, 330 pound of them moves like a 300-pounder dude. It's unbelievable. He's so quick. He is, when he gets off to the second level, his ability to keep his feet and stay up and continue using his hands. is incredible. And my thought had always been,

sometimes we get caught up in the box score. You know, Jamar Chase can give you six targets a game, three, four catches a game, end of the year, 70, 80 catches, 14 yards a catch. You hope for a nice 10 touchdowns,

maybe seven, maybe eight. It all looks really good, and it is good. And I'm not demeaning one over the other. But you grab that left tackle, who is now for an entire season, giving you 75 plays a game,

giving up just a pressure or two, you know, and it's going to be there for the next decade, and you just saw your quarterback last year get wheeled off the field with a torn ACL because of lack of protection. Man, to me, on these bad teams, you can't build a wall fast enough for these guys to protect your quarterback. Especially if you know Joe Burroughs the real deal,

which we know. It's not like we're doing the same. It's not like we're investing in somebody that we don't know is the real deal. We saw enough in him yet last year to say, shit this guy's good and you've got it you know that it thing that we just talked about like Joe Burrow just like I don't even have to I don't even have to share a locker room with him it just it's he stinks so much of like just the right amount of confidence and leadership

so yeah you build around that guy I guess devil's advocate because we got to play it would be you know maybe they maybe they don't feel the way we feel about Sewell and maybe they're thinking first off I think everybody's like Joe Burroughs got to be pissed you don't think they check with the guy. I mean, I know he's not your average rookie. They probably asked him what he thought. Secondly, maybe they didn't think Sewell's as good as we did. And maybe they thought Slater was really good, but they were going to have a hard time justifying that at five. You know, like there's a, sometimes you take best available. And then also Joe's out for probably a sizable amount of this year. Like maybe he's not, maybe his development isn't where we think it is physically coming off this

thing. And they say we could waste a year of presumably a very good offensive tackle. We could get another one next year. So I think to your point, and I've said this a lot of time over the years on my show is it does come down to grade. Was Jamar Chase, how high was his grade above Penae Sewell? Right. Because we talk about the quarterbacks. Everybody was going to that number three pick. You know, was it going to be Trey Lance? Was it going to be Mack Jones? Was it going to be Justin Fields? and everybody gave their opinion, but the only opinion that mattered was the grade of the San Francisco 49th.

And their grade, obviously, for Trey Lance, was higher than the other two. So that absolutely comes in. Obviously, it came into play that their grade on Jemar Chase, whether you feel it's the need or not, your grade is there. And you know how we always hear best available? You take best available.

I was never a big believer in that. I was like, man, if I need something, I'm freaking taking something. You know, I'm not going to screw around. to face, especially that high. I think it's a sliding scale. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey, listen, if the best available is that much better than my need, like, if my need is

tackle, but I know I can get somebody in the second or third round, and this guy's not so great or whatever, and I'm not saying this is what applies to this situation. Right, right. And you see one guy that you're like, he's a Hall of Famer, you get the Hall of Famer, but to your point, if you need something, you need it bad. Yeah. And the grades aren't much different. You take the need.

Exactly. That's the key. If the grades aren't that much different, I would go with the need. But, you know, Jamar Chase, too, was a stud. He was a stud. He's a stud. And like you said, you can justify that very easily because there's numbers and metrics that are going to tell you.

And also, another thing is, offensive line, although people think of it as like a sure shot, those guys have it tough for a few reasons. And I said this the other day. Number one, bad teams, what do they get? A lot of deficits. What do you do when you get a lot of deficits? You throw the ball a lot.

So more chances for this kid to screw up. It's a very mental position. The more you get beat earlier, you can get shell-shocked just like a quarterback. And then on top of it, people assume guys just develop. Like position coaches are all really good. Well, guess what position needs the most coaching? Offensive line. Without question.

You talk about Stoutland, Jeff Stoutland up in Philly. I mean, one of the best in the game. You always notice a really, like a guy we had in New England, who's a legend, probably the only guy who can hold a candle to Bill Belichick up there. Skarnacki. I got to see those two guys and when you see an offensive line coach that's really, really good, it just stands out and that's what those kids need. Like young kids, I've stood there and you've stood there

in one-on-one pass rush for years. Watching a guy get beat. The most important thing is what did he hear after that? What's he going to hear when he gets back to the locker room? And so I do think there is a risk involved in taking offensive line. But Jacksonville, same thing. They went running back, DB, didn't build around. Trevor and another side of this is Villeneueva Schwartz Fisher Okunneau Leno they're all out there so maybe guys are saying hey Mitchell Schwartz him off the street right yeah yeah I mean I don't know man it's it's I'm glad

I don't have to pick for a living what about San Francisco speaking of like number three you brought this up it just reminded me why keep it secret in your estimation the pick with Trey Lance I mean I don't understand Well, the one thing, when Kyle Shanahan, like two days before the draft said, we have one of five people we know what we're going to take. And I'm like, that's bullshit. You trade up to number three. You know exactly who you're taking. You know who you're taking because you know who the first two picks are going to be.

So I don't get all the disinformation. I don't get why there were three. And you knew what one and two was going to be. Why they hide it. I think it's just instinctual with coaches. It's lion season. during the draft because I have no idea why you need to hide that. Yeah, people were making up all types of, like, theories as to why they hit it.

Not unlike any of the theories. I just thought maybe, like, coaches like keep shit secret. They don't want to read about their business. I think that's what they do. I think they just want to keep it close guarded and not have any leaks and all that, but I don't know what good. And then also, like, speaking of the information war, we saw the Raiders actually do something crazy.

Well, not crazy, but it's just something you're not used to. it was like they were reading their mentions on Alex Leatherwood and then they had to clear that up real quick. I actually coached Leatherwood in the Under Armour All-American game the senior year in high school. And I think he's a hell of a player. I thought that was a little high. And then the next day you hear there's reports,

somebody high up is going to get fired from the Raiders for the last three number one picks because of who they took. They could have got to all these guys later. you're right. Then they got to come out with a statement. It came out on Twitter. They came out on Twitter. The funniest shit about it was they were like, actually, we're thinking about them as a right tackle. I was like, you couldn't wait to camp to just show out that, you know, like just the stuff now, like the internet has changed the game forever, even at that level.

It just goes to show you coaches and GMs and people and like organizations. You remember they used to walk into our locker rooms and be like, don't read any press clippings. Right. And they run their ass right upstairs. And when they have a press clipping, they want to show you to motivate you, they show you that press clip. That's exactly right. And then, or you get a team, like I said, the Raiders who have to come out and say something about it. Yeah.

And then, but then you get a team like truly like Bill Belichick and the Patriots doesn't give two shits about anything that said publicly. So, you know, there's a huge difference, you know, of teams as well and how they react to things.

Yeah, the only saving grace for me when I talk about my old coach, Bill Belichick, who I respect so very much. If I ever say something negative about the Pats, I know he doesn't give a shit about the media. And I'm now part about the media. So he's probably never going to hear it anyway, nor really care.

So the Aaron Rogers situation, which, you know, there's so much fun stuff to talk about in the draft. Like it was funny, I got up doing a little road pod the other day. And I said, damn, we hit all that. And I even talk about the Aaron Rogers thing. Like, that's how action-packed the day was. What do you make of all this at this point? It felt like it came out of nowhere. I mean, and it had to be like everybody that was involved in the draft,

especially all the insiders had to be going, oh, my God, now we got this. Yeah. You know, now, and this is another one. I mean, Murphy, the president came out and, like, went through the statement, like, line by line, another one on Twitter, you know, going through all the statements about, yeah, maybe he was right here. Yeah, maybe he wasn't right here. I mean, my God. I mean. So this one in the union.

Yeah, this one came out of nowhere. Deshawn Watson, he made it evident that he wanted out. Wilson, all of a sudden they're talking about trade rumors. I was like, he never said a word. He never said he wanted out. He just talked like maybe he wanted a little more input, but he never was disgruntled. He's not getting traded. Plus it would be a $34 million dead hit cap hit if they trade him. So he's not going anywhere. I'm not going to lie. This one took me by surprise a little bit because, listen, love who got picked last year was Aaron Rogers, you know, umpteen years ago when he got picked, you know, when Brett Farb was still the quarterback picking the air of

parent. So it surprised me a little bit. Aaron can be a little different at times. I'm always a little, it's always interesting to me when guys get a little sensitive about things. You know, I don't know where, if he wants to go somewhere where he's going to go. I know dude still wants to win a Super Bowl. It's got a pretty good shot there, 13 and 3 the last two years there, you know, to try and get over that hump. If they do trade, they're going to trade them somewhere that's got a better shot. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you're right. I mean, as far as I happen to like the piss and vinegar, Aaron Rogers, because all of the other quarterbacks are just,

I like one angry one. No, he is angry. You know, I love the guys, the great ones that find a chip to put on the shoulder about. The Michael Jordan, when they, the whole, the meme, which I'm sure you've seen, because I know you're up on your memes. And I actually like, you know, the chip on the shoulder thing. And I also don't know where some of this stuff always, you know, is coming from. You know, like, yeah, I look at the Aaron's situation and I totally hear him. He needs more weapons, but he makes everybody look so good.

That's the thing like, it's your fault. You make everybody look so good that you lull people in no sense. I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying, Aaron, you're so good that you make average players look great. And then people are like, oh, we don't need anybody. And that's not a defense because we've seen what the Packers have done in the draft, including this year. I get one to shore up the defense, the thing before the end of the half against the bucks.

Like really, they lost that game on defense too. And I was really down on their defense past few years. I got fooled again going into the playoffs. Never again. And they get rid of Mike Patton who it's going to, they're going to improve defensively just by improving the scheme. Same way Dan Quinn's going to improve the defense in Dallas on a different scale. But you have to have better players.

So I get them drafting defense, but can't you throw on one bone? Just one bone. Just one bone. I agree. It's never been earlier than the second round. them, you know, that they've taken a receiver. But I guess, you know, the talk was that maybe Denver was going to trade for him. So he goes to Denver.

So you got a better shot to get in the Super Bowl in Denver? I don't know. The defense is better, probably better. Because defense is probably better. And you're probably excited about the wideouts, right? I know I'm excited about Jerry Judy, you know, and the tight ends. The tight ends are real good. You probably have less to go through because the top teams now, you probably think Kansas City.

Yeah. Buffalo's right there. Quite honestly, Cleveland has made a good job. jump there. You don't know what's going to happen with Pittsburgh because of the O line. Baltimore seems to jack it up once they get to the playoffs. So I don't know who the other teams are in the AFC. I think, you know what, I wouldn't mind seeing them in Denver of all the teams. I think you go to Vegas, the defense, you're back where you started. You're actually worse. Although curiously then and address it with the first pick.

You know, but I do think. Well, he did blow up his entire offensive line did Gruden in the off season. So maybe that's why they went over. They sure did. I mean, but I, you know, it's, um, the, the, the one thing that people aren't talking about, the end of the road here, like the logical end of this discussion. Let's say he has the balls and I don't doubt he does because he, you know, like he seems to do what he wants to do.

Yeah. He sits this year. Are you willing to forego a year? And I'm not saying that like there's a rhetorical answer to that question. I don't know. I don't know if he's willing to forego a year of his prime, which is damned here at 40, but you just don't know how long you can do this.

So that's the one thing Green Bay has on their side. I will say this again, the list of players that have drawn a line in the sand and have actually stayed on their side of the line and sat for a year, Chris, is short, right? Carson Palmer. I mean, it's short. Carson Palmer did.

We saw Levy on Bell. He sat out and that didn't really work for him. Um, you know, it, but it's not a long list. No. Because that's the exact same question I were at. Do you, do you have the balls to do it? Would you truly not walk across that line? What's you're going to make?

30 mil this year. And I know he's got a lot of money, but I don't care how much money you have 30 mils a lot of money. He's so bitter and I look at this as a, I'm taking it. There's a compliment. Because it is you are special like fucking bitter. If you're, if you're 30 million. Wouldn't that be unreal? Yeah.

That would be unbelievable if you turn it. Now, not that everything should be about money, because, again, he's got loads of it. But man, let me tell you, that's the line. His balls dropping and hitting the ground, it would register on the Richter's scale in Virginia. Okay, so, I mean, like, good for him, more power to him if he does it, but it's going to be tough. So what do you think he does? Play with the Packers, sit for the ear. I think he plays with the Packers.

I mean, that's the chalky answer. I think I'd love to see them take care of him. and give him some weapons because he's as fun as anybody. You can tell me Tom's the greatest of all time. I agree with that. He's the goat. But the most fun to watch of all time is Aaron Rogers. Yeah.

And so him on the field, everybody wins. 2021, draft outlook. You know, we just finished the first one naturally. We're not going to do a mock draft. God. Okay. Thank God, merciful. I feel like some people are going to be pissy at me.

because we've talked about the draft for two pods post-draft. I'm going to be like, hey, asshole, you guys talked about the draft for two months before the draft. Okay, I get two pods. Let's talk about 2022. I said 2021 before. I've lost track of the years. 2022. Who's good?

Who are we going to see called early? Who should we watch for this fall? All right. I'm going to give you a few names. Obviously, quarterbacks have to be in there. Sam Howell, I think, from North Carolina is going to be up there. A Spencer Rattler. The kid from Oklahoma. What a great name, by the way, Spencer Rattler.

J.T. Daniels, Daniels is from SC. Daniels is from Georgia. Here's two guys. Three guys, I'm going to tell you to look for. Okay. I'm getting off the quarterback because everybody's going to talk about the quarterback. Running back, people are talking about, obviously, a lot about Isaiah Spillo, the kid from A&M. Breece Hall from Iowa State, 6-1, about 215, 220. He was the big 12 offensive player of the year. I did about three or four Iowa State games this year, including the Fiesta Bowl.

So I got a lot of looks at him. A incredible runner can make you miss, caught about 25 balls out of the back field as well. You know in today's game, you've got to be able to do that. Had over 1,500 yards rushing, loved him. And his teammate, a tight end, Charlie Kohler, 6'6, about 260,

and every bit of it was hurt a little bit, still had like 40 or 50 receptions. I think he is going to be a stud. And on the defensive side of the ball, you want to talk about a freak. The kid from Oregon, was it, Kvon Fibito. Oh, I like him.

Let me tell you, like 6-5-66-2. He's one of these 6-5-6-6-26-pounders. These edge ruchers now, these Miles Garrett six-five guys with the long arms that could turn the corner and had that leverage. This dude is a freak. There is a big...

Okay, first off, I don't watch a lot of Oregon. I bet on a couple of Oregon games this year, and I'd be up there, squint. My eyes would be squinting. But if my eyes didn't open up when I saw this kid make a play one of those games, and I texted my buddy Jeff Schwartz. You know, Jeff, and I was like,

who the fuck is this kid? Okay, like, he's got some work to do. He's for real. But he's going to be a top pick. And you know what's funny? It just reminds me because, like, when I was coming out, 6-4-2-70,

sounds a lot like, you know, Miles Garrett's height and weight that they list. Sounds a lot like the Stipidos' kids' height and weight. They're different looking cats. Oh my God. Different looking cats. And so, you know, it's just like you can read height and weight, but you've got to see somebody out there walking around.

Yeah. Miles Garrett, I mean, he was about to hulk out of his outfit at the draft. The dude is unbelievable. You see him playing basketball lately? I mean, he's set aside. But this, I'm going to play football late, so he's still a little raw. Yeah. But I look forward to seeing what he's going to do.

All right, there we go. Like him. And then one other kid, Kyle Hamilton, I got to bring a Notre Dameer into this. He's a 6'4, 220-pound safety. So you know in the league today, these guys can play back. They can play up like a backer. They can play up on the line some. He's a smooth cat, too. So those are a few guys who I like that. That Isaiah Simmons pick, it just goes to show you like when a guy gets, you know, it's just continues to snowball and the game's changing. By the way, those guys in Arizona, they got some funny body types in the first round they've drafted in the last two years.

They got to figure out what they're going to do with Isaiah Simmons. And I really like this David and Collins kid, but there's just two guys his side. There's two guys his size in all levels of football playing at the second level at linebacker. It's Dante Hightower and it's Zayvon Collins. So figure it out. I don't know how you're going to use him, but it's exciting. So game's changing. Mike Golick, appreciate you always, dude.

I love having you on and you did great with the pick. I didn't see the first part, but you crushed the pick. Shit happens. That's why you're the man. Mike, thank you. Catch you soon. All right, Chris. Thanks.