Green Light with Chris Long - Milton Williams! New England Patriots Signing, Eagles Super Bowl Win & Facing Josh Allen!

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Milton Williams joins Chris Long on the heels of his new contract with the New England Patriots. Milton dishes on his excitement to join the Patriots, the players he's can't wait to play with and his time in New England so far. He also rewinds to Philly and talks winning Super Bowl LIX with the Philadelphia Eagles against the Kansas City Chiefs, playing with Jalen Carter and Brandon Graham, Vic Fangio's coaching style and the craziness of the Eagles' Super Bowl parade! (00:00) - Intro (4:15) - Remembering Patrick Peterson's Walk Off Touchdown vs the Rams in 2011 (9:09) - Milton Williams on the New England Patriots, the Eagles Super Bowl & Facing Josh Allen Make sure to check out Kenny Mayne at the People's Improv Theater in New York City on April 24th! Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out the website for everything merch wise and enjoy for 25% off your entire order in celebration of the 2025 NFL Draft! sitewide! Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's YouTube Channel, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

New England Patriots, you're probably excited to play with a lot of guys on defense. I see a lot of potential. But is there one guy in particular? You mentioned Barmore. Is there one guy in particular that you're really looking forward to lining up next to her with? Barrymore for sure. Definitely him. Kean White.

Yes. Kean White. I see a lot of myself in him line up wherever, having that versatility to play inside, outside. Yeah. You know, I probably must have been able to do the same thing. So I already told him, like, if we end up on the same side, But when it's time to go rush, it's going to get nasty. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM.

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Great conversation. Revisit the Eagles Super Bowl from this last year. Milton talks about the amazing parade that they had. They run through his time with the Eagles talking about Brandon Graham, how he got ready in the locker room every day at 7 a.m. and was a pillar for great leadership talking about Clint Hurt, Vic Fangio, but also Milton went in-depth on his excitement of joining the Patriots. Talked about the D-line he's stoked to join.

He's already chopped it up with Mike Rabel a little bit. So a great conversation. Chris also recounts playing Patrick Peterson on the heels of his retirement. Patrick deserves two shoutouts for hanging up the cleats. Enjoy the episode, have a blast and a half. Have a great weekend. Welcome to the show. We got Milton Williams today.

Kind of an awkward situation where you're like, which fan base am I catering to? There are going to be some Eagles questions. There are going to be some Patriots questions. I got a trivia question for you today. Not a trivia question. Rather, a question for you Patriots fans, and maybe Eagles fans. Who are your top three Eagles and Patriots? They had to play for the Eagles and Patriots.

Leave it in the comments. Who's your favorite guy that maybe played for the Patriots and the Eagles? If you could leave that in the comment, that'd be fantastic. Welcome to the channel if you haven't been here before. And if you're a local, you will enjoy this. You know what time it is. It's going to be a good interview. And, you know, send it to a friend.

Can we do something where we send it to a friend? I know if you're a fan of the Eagles and a fan of the Patriots, either one, like, there's other people like you. And I don't think they all listen to this podcast. It would help us out if you would send this interview to a couple people. Maybe three. You know, like one of those things where, you know, you get like a direct message or something. And it's like if you don't pass this stupid quote on to seven people by the end of the day, you're going to die in a fire.

You know, like shit like that and you never do it. But really, in this situation, it would be great if you could pass this interview on. I'm not going to threaten you with bad luck. I just think your friends would like it. I love Milton Williams. We've been talking about him for a while. And I'm super excited for the guy to get paid the way he did. and I think playing for Mike Vrable is going to be a perfect fit.

So looking forward to seeing him play up in Foxborough. You're going to love the interview. Hey, one more thing, okay, before we get into Milton Williams. You know, I kind of shorted Patrick Peterson the other day. I was talking about his retirement. And a lot of times you played so much football, you forget half of it. And there was a game in 2011, which I believe was his rookie year. and it was probably

and of course at this point I'm playing in division which I talked about on the last pod he's probably he's definitely the last guy on that team still in the league

other than Callais Campbell who's now returned to the Cardinals to finish his career out there what an amazing career but like the longevity is amazing the whole thing like his level of play was just so clearly elite

as soon as he got in the league he's one of those those rare guys that like you see him play the first time and you're like Yeah, he's going to the Hall of Fame. And I said that the other day, right? But I forgot to mention that he absolutely ruined one of our trips down to Arizona his rookie year. Okay, and maybe you guys are looking this up as I talk about it, but 2011 Rams Cardinals, we get to overtime, which is like for us in 2011, I think we went two and 14.

I had 13 buckets that year, no big deal, okay, on that, on that outfit, all right? but we are i don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing but we end up we end up one and seven at the time going to arizona and thinking hey we're gonna it's gonna change this is the week it all comes together we play a hard fought game against the cardinals i don't know who the quarterback is probably like john skelton you might want to look that one up for me we played about eight cardinals quarterbacks in my time kevin cobb it was john skeleton wow how about the memory on me and here's the worst part of that memory and maybe the reason I repressed it

was because that game ended with me walking across the end zone diagonally into the locker room as the play was still occurring on the field. Do you know, we want to know what the play that ended the game was? Patrick Peterson circus return for a touchdown to win an overtime.

Bro. Circus return for a touchdown in the NFL like, when a defensive bat catches the ball like that his rookie year and walks it off on you at home and you can't hear yourself think you just walk back to the locker room and I shook hands after every game

I was a great sport really wasn't anything personal against John Skelton you know this wasn't a Brady Fold situation but it was crushing it felt like the house came down on us as much as it couldn't in a game where you're one in seven and this kid who I really didn't know much about walked it off on us and then he went on to have a Hall of Fame career legend in Arizona really a legend everywhere he played a great vet for younger players by all accounts great energy cool dude every time you adapt him up after the game that was one game I didn't it was just apparent to me what a cool guy he was so for the second time now that

I remember that. Congrats on a great career, Patrick Peterson. Fuck you very much for that. We had a real shot to turn the corner that year. We could have gotten to 2 and 7. And then at that point, like, you know, you're two games away from 4 and 7. And when you're 4 and 7,

you can go on a little run, right? Back in the day, 9 and 7 would have gotten it done in the NFC West. So he totally derailed my season and probably ultimately my career. You would have had a two-game... No, two-game winning street. What was the date of this game? Was it October or November?

November 6th. So this was right after we thumped the Saints. We thumped the Saints. The Saints were really good, and they came in town, and we absolutely, man, we body slam Drew Brees. We were throwing him around like some of the people we're going to talk about after the Milton Williams interview. Six sacks by the Rams defense. We had six of them. Yeah, we had six of them things.

So anyways, we could have built one more would have been a winning streak. And you had half of those six sacks, three for you. I did, I had three. That was a shining moment for me in St. Louis, at least. Yeah, we had all the baseball players came out. They just won the World Series. So for the, about the only time ever, other athletes in the city could be bothered to come watch that product. they were getting recognized at halftime,

and we decided to play really well. And it was lit in the building that day. And yeah, we got after him. But anyways, here's Milton Williams. All right, so this is going to take some getting used to. I hop on the Zoom and I see Milton Williams, a guy that I was hoping would play for the Eagles for 20 years. He's wearing Patriots red, but he deserves it.

He got a new big contract. Welcome to the show, Milton Williams. How you doing, dude? Yes, sir. Appreciate you having me, man. Yeah, and we were just talking, thanks for coming on, and we were just talking offline a little bit. I said, you were one of those guys that I knew. I was watching you close, and I was like, we're not going to be able to afford him.

So it just is what it is. At what point did you realize they weren't going to be able to afford you? Man, I was kind of hearing it throughout the year. Just playing, you know, I knew it was my contract year, so I knew it's make a break. Like, so, uh, with Coach, we can come in, just give me the opportunity. I know, like, any opportunity I get, like, I was not going to waste it at all. So every rep, you know, I'm trying to win, especially if I'm one-on-one. I'm trying to make sure I win, win at a high level or the high rate and affect the game whenever, whenever I'm in there.

So, yeah. So, you know, it was, it was good. And, like, once we got towards the end of the year, like, everybody starts telling me that, like, man, like, even, like, even some of the coaches on the stand. They'll tell you. they're like, man, you feel to get paid. Like, we ain't like, you're going to get, I'm just like, man, everybody keeps telling me that let me see it first. Let me see it.

Let me see it in my account. That's exactly it. I'll believe it when it hits my account. Yeah, like, because, you know, I mean, you never really had seen in your hand, and I had nothing like that. So I'll just, like, put my head down. You're like, man, we're going to see what's going to happen. You know, let me just not skip no steps.

We're going to get there eventually. I definitely want to hear about what it took to our. earned that money, but the first thing I want to know is, did you buy anything first off that you were like, hey, got to have that, been waiting on that? Not yet. I'm still kind of trying to feel my way around a little bit. I mean, I got my mom, took care of my mom and dad. They're going to be taken care of, get them what they want.

I ain't really just got me. And I already had pretty much what I wanted. I probably didn't like give me a car or something. but I got me, I definitely got me a house out here. I'm in a hotel right now. Okay, can't wait to get in the house, huh? Yeah, I'm ready to get in, get everything set up. I'm kind of just waiting on everything that, you know, fall through.

So hopefully so and I'll be able to get out of my stuff set up. It would be good. Yeah, I remember when I was up there, I got a rental right behind the stadium on North Road because I was so worried I was going to be late to Bill Belichick's meetings. Are you doing, are you living in the city? You're living outside the city? Man, I'm like 15 minutes. There we go.

15 minutes away. Perfect. That was kind of the rental. I was standing in Jersey by the same distance from, from the neighborhood facility, too. That's perfect. Not too far, not too close, but I ain't going to be late for nothing. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Well, that's great, man. Just going back to last year and then we get into the Patriot stuff. but like what was the Super Bowl like, especially having in your young career lost one already and knowing what it feels like to be on the other side of that, what was your mindset coming in the game and what were your impressions of actually getting to win it? I mean, when it comes to the Super Bowl, like everybody like, obviously it's the biggest game of the year, but, you know, you see all the celebrities and all the hoopla and everything that they got around it and the media

the whole week before and then like it's a long process so I just kind of try to keep it as simple as possible you know it's just we're just playing another game like yeah it's the championship but we're playing football so it's always going to come down to

just your technique playing hard and shoot that's really all you can do is try to out technique your opponent and play as hard as you can so with losing the first time I kind of got I kind of had got a feel for how the environment was, knowing it's going to be a good, good environment and things like that.

But this year it was just all about just focus. Like, we knew we had an opportunity to be able to affect the game like we did, especially going to get somebody like Mahomes, you know. One of the best quarterbacks this game has ever seen and just seeing what he had to do on the field. It was like everybody had to be locked in the whole. whole preparation. And, no, I think Vic had us prepared for sure.

He definitely challenged us during the week. He went back and showed us the film from when he was in San Fran. And they lost in the Super Bowl to Baltimore. He was just showing us to some of the guys, like, during the week, he was saying they wasn't as locked in as they should have been. And, you know, he showed us a couple plays that they messed up a call or something. And they end up coming back and making a game closer at the end. And he just went back to them.

We're saying, like, maybe if we don't make some teach plays at beginning the game, you don't know what happened. So now, he definitely challenged us and made sure we was locked in. I know he was in a division coaching with Denver, I think. So he had been, he had saw a lot of the things that they like to do a lot. So he was, he had it like everything, everything that they like to do. know, the percentages on who doing what, this is what they like out of this formation.

This formation, watch out for this. So he had us prepared all the keys and everything. So, I mean, it was nothing that they was going to do that we hadn't, that we hadn't already showed us on film. So when we got to the game, it was just play fast and leave it all out there. And you all did, man. And, you know, knowing what that feels like getting into a game where at some point in the game, and I'm sure as you alluded to

hey you had a feeling that y'all could affect the game in your words but there's a point in the game when you realize you can take the game over as a unit and I wonder how early in the game that communication happened between you and the other guys like you get to the sideline

like man it's going to be a long day for these guys I always go back to Cooper the Cooper Jean Pick six after that I'm like because we know they're going to have to throw the ball because I think at that point it was a three-position game

and you got my homes like you know they're going to try to air it out you're going to try to use the army guy with the weapons he got so it was on us to try to affect the quarterback you know up the middle you know any quarterback weakness I don't care what quarterback you is how fast you can get the ball out

if you can't see or if you get pressure right up the middle that's going to affect your read that's going to make you hold the ball. ball, you might have to, you're going to start, like, later in the game, like, he started, like, just looking at the line before he can even look at his receivers because he's so worried about us getting pressure. So that was our goal for sure that, you know, come in and just try to make sure we can affect them. Because if you don't, you let them get through all his progressions and start playing sandlock ball, it could have got ugly for us. But, you know, everybody was

locked in. We all went out there and played for each other. And shoot, we got it done. From a rush lane scheme, he definitely gives you a unique challenge with the way he drifts and moves his drop target. There's another guy in your new division who is probably the hardest guy in the league to get on the ground. You might argue him and the guy in Baltimore probably in Josh Allen. And you got a preview of that two years ago in Philly in that game in the rain that went to OT. What do you think the key is to getting that big SOB on the ground? and talk to me about rushing as a group. So that game, that was the one game that I've missed in my career.

You missed that one. Yeah, that was the week before we played Kansas City. And I had a good game that week. Yeah. And I got knocked out of the game. I think Kelsey had caught like a slant or a stop or something like over the middle. So, you know, we turned around. We got to get out of the stack and go hunt.

So I'm running. And I like, oh, yeah, I'm going to blow them up. Like we're in Chief Stadium. They're going crazy. It was a big game because, you know, we had just lost Super Bowl to him. So we had to go in there and get our get back. It was cold. It was rainy a little bit.

So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to knock his head off. And I left my feet. He kind of would, like, duck down. And I had my own team. Probably far. So friendly fire. I got knocked out of that game. I didn't think I had a concussion.

They told me I had a concussion, but it is what it is now. but I ended up missing that game versus Josh Allen. So I haven't got to play him yet. But since I got here just talking with Baramore, he was like, yeah, Josh Allen, probably the hardest quarterback I had to bring down. Just big, fast. He kind of reminded me of Cam Newton. I compare him to Cam New, just being that big, being that mobile, having such a big arm,

make any throw. So, no, it's going to be a challenge. I'm up for it. I'm up for it for sure. And as far as, like, rush lanes, it's getting to that point now where every quarterback in the league now is... That's exactly right. They can move.

They can run. It's only a couple that really just kind of sit in the pocket. But they, like, Matthew Stafford, Jared Gough, but these guys are pick your part if you let them. Yeah. But you always got to make sure with the Lamar Jackson, the Kyle Murray, the Jay, hurts. My homes.

Like, if these guys don't see it, they can go. And it's a backbreaker. If it's third and long or fourth and short, and they go get their first down, and we didn't play a good defense all the way up to that point. And you threw all your best rushes, you know, your last win, it's like,

oh, man. So, no, that's a big thing. That's a big emphasis for sure. Even on D-Line last year, that was always an emphasis on making sure, you know, laying integrity, rushing as a unit, rushing together. Of course, everybody

want to make plays, but if everybody do their job, everybody's going to have a chance to make a play at the end of the day. So that was what we were preaching all year. Yeah, you leave one lane open and nobody eats. You know, and so, and one guy, I don't know if you named them or not, but the one time I thought about last year

where y'all got hit with a couple backbreakers was the guy in Washington, Jaden Daniels. That dude is, I had... That's another one. He's another one, right? Mara Jackson 2.0. Yeah, he's the fastest player on the field is what it feels like. These dudes, they don't weigh a lot, but it's hard to get them down.

You've got to try to catch them while they ain't looking or something. Hard to get a good shot. Hard to get a good shot on Jaden. We ain't quick because if you try to go in and level him, he going to be gone. You're on the ground. Yeah, no question. At what point did you realize the parade is the best part of the whole thing? It's funny because the parade was cool,

but I feel like my dad had more fun than I did it. Right, did he? Yeah, well, that's good for pops. Man, it was good, it was good, man. Just all the fans out there, it was a lot of people out there, and they were launching beers on every corner. Like, I saw a dude, like, standing back on the top of a trash truck.

He, like, I'm like, no, no. So he weighed back and he just, like, everybody on the top, like, duck. Like, and then you see Howard get hit with one. You're like, man. Did you see him get hit or did you see the aftermath? Did anybody see it happen? No, I thought, I think somebody posted it on Twitter or something. Oh, yeah, they split him.

But they definitely was launching him. Like, so you had to have your head on the swivel. Yeah. Like, everybody was like, watch out, watch out. They throw in sandwiches. Yeah. cheese steaks it was dope man it was fun did you eat anything they threw to you oh because we were hungry on my float if they'd have thrown us a hoagie or something

i ain't eating nothing i don't i did drink a couple beers or something though but dude it's a parade hell yeah it's a parade they were throwing shots of fireball up there and yeah when we got off and it was like dapping it up with the fans they handed me handed me a couple of yeah well i'll tell you another place that does a really good parade. I was lucky enough to be in one up there was Foxborough, man. Those duck boats, they got that thing figured out. The streets are tight. The fans are right on you. It's a lot of fun. So like, if you get to New England and some of the players who haven't been there and you've been to two Super Bowls now, whether you like it or not, you're like Mr. OG, seen it all. Crazy. Right? So if they ask you, what's it take as a team to get

there. What are the most important things you learned on that run, not Super Bowl week, but the entire run. What do you think the most important things about being a team and going on that journey to win a Super Bowl are? Man, just being together. Just being together as a team, as a position group, as a unit, just being together. Not really, not having no selfishness. Like I said earlier, you know, we got to the point where it didn't matter who made the play. Just if you're in the right spot of you doing your job, the play going to come to you. Just make it when it's there.

That's what those want to be G's saying. The play don't care who. Cowboy, Cowboy, step in here right now. Cowboy step in here right now. Yeah, I think that can be derived back to Chris Long in 2017. Oh, hey, Melton, he took that shit. Him and Zach Kurz have taken that shit.

Hey, if you ain't stealing from the OG. Hey, you got it. Hey, dude, that's crazy. Hey, but it's so true. The play doesn't care who makes it. You try to get out of your own groove and do everybody else's job. You're going to end up embarrassing yourself. You're going to get out of your gap. Then they're going to run in your gap. The crowd will be cheering. No question. They're going to be getting a field goal unit on. Hell yeah. So it got to that point, man, where it's just, just make the play. We were together as a unit. Like I said, Vic had us prepared. Yeah.

We know he hadn't won one in his long career. That's right. You know, we wanted to do it for him. We wanted to do it for him for sure. Dude, what is it about Vic because, you know, the guys in Miami thought he was too tough. And it felt like maybe because you all had a younger group, y'all really responded to that a little bit. But also, I just wonder, like, have you ever had a conversation with Vic where you feel like you've,

you figured him out because I talked to him a little bit at the facility and it's just hard to read the guy. I haven't figured him out. I still haven't figured him out yet. He just, he just want to win. He's no nonsense like he wants to win and he knows what it takes to win. And he's seeing a lot of guys that don't really care about winning.

They just want money and everything that come with it, but don't want to put the work in to win. So he, like I said, the first day he came. I think first day of OTAs first meeting he like, it's not you guys fault that you don't work hard. He's like, what? He's like, it's not you guys fault that everybody's soft now. They took down the weeks of OTAs and we can't have a certain amount of padded practices and stuff like that.

So it's like, you can't take nothing personal, but I mean, he's seen it all and he knows what it looked like. So, no, he just, like I said, he just had a. prepared every week. Every week it was a different. It was like we didn't have like a scheme. Like this is what we're going to run every week. Every week he had a different plan for a different team.

This is what we're going to do. This is what they like to do. So I mean going into every week, we were prepared. Prepared every single week. And, you know, that's just a testament to him. So just studying, getting the right coaches, getting the right coaches staff. shout out to Clint Hurt, one of the best coaches I didn't have been around.

Super smart, super smart dude. Talked me a lot. And I'm still going to be learning from, even though I'm up in the winger. We're still going to be talking because, you know, I'm always trying to pick his brain or, you know, anything I can add to my game or, you know, what this coach like.

Because, you know, he was a defensive coordinator. So he knows all the coaches that was in whoever, a tree over here, this is a day like to do. This is a day round on this side and things like that. So, no, we just had a really smart coaching staff, and I'm pretty sure Vic challenged them every day, and they challenged us. And, you know, we wanted to win. We knew what time it was for us and the team that we had, we had the talent.

We just had to go out there and execute. Sure, we did that. What makes a great defensive line coach, because there's not enough of them. and why is Clint a great D-line coach? And the second part of my question is going to be, is there any assistant coach in NFL that could beat up Clint Hurt? I answered the second one first. No.

One of the biggest dudes, like, biggest dudes I've ever seen. That dude's huge. You're not going to beat him up, man. What take that make a good D-line coach? I mean, just being a great teacher, giving us the freedom to, if we see something just play, like we're not robots. So he's like, man, y'all not.

robots like if y'all see something or no alignment leaning like he'd like tell tell your boys or you know if y'all want to run a game just communicate it like we just had we just had freedom to pretty much do whatever but making sure like that we gap sound and you know our technique and stuff is right but just at practice you know every day he challenging us like we're going to get to work in we're going to have fun but he he challenged us in meetings like we're going we're going to go go over and we're going to go over the tape. But once we get done, but what we're supposed to get done, we're going to just sit in there and just go over the same stuff we didn't already talk about because we've already wrote it down and studied it. So we're going to just talk

ball. Like we was in there a lot of times just talking ball and coaches he know. You know, just talking about ball, talking about life. But it's always after like we got our work done. So I think it was a good mix of both. And then with him just being smart, like any questions that we had, he had an answer for us. That's exactly it. I think like every week he would make a cut. Like whatever team we played here have a cut on every starting lineman that they had on their team with every rep that they lost if they got in the lead. So going into the week, I'm watching that to see, you know, my matchup, what they losing on the most.

once I get to the game, sure, I don't see you lose on this a lot, so this is going to be one of my main rushes that I'm working throughout the week. And then once I get to the game, it's all about just executing it for the most part of that. I end up doing that. So big credit to him of just being just a good dude, great coach,

definitely somebody I want to play for again, for sure. He sounds like a great coach, because you mentioned a couple things to stick out to me. Number one, like it sounds like, I think as defensive linemen, and it helps when your coach is like your peer. He's the authority, but he's like your peer. You can talk, you can work things out,

you can solve problems together, right? Because things happen on the fly. And I also think another one that you mentioned that's very underrated, and people probably assume every coach does it, but answer the fucking question. If we have a question about the scheme, why are we fitting this up this way?

Where do I put my hands first? What is my primary gap here? You'd be shocked how many defensive line coaches I've had in the past that instead of giving the answer, they get pissed off and say, you're asking too many questions. I wonder if Clint's background of being a D coordinator and knowing all 11's responsibilities helps communicate that stuff to you guys. That definitely helped.

Like any, like I said, any question we had, because, you know, every time we had a new install, like I said, every week, it was a different thing, different plans. So why we can't do this? Can we do this? and why we can't do that. You know, anything like, well, this is the reason why such and such and such. Everything. So there was no gray area.

I don't know. He said this. No, it was cutting dry. This is what it is. If you see something play, let you guys know. But I'm going to let y'all be free. And that's what we did. When you leave a little install gray area, it could be six weeks down the road.

road. They could sneak it into a game plan in the playoffs. They could come in the first quarter to say, hey, we're going to run Saw Blitz. And y'all remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we went over there and five weeks. Yeah. And the gray area always comes up and it always gets exposed. So shout out to Clint Hurt. He sounds like a fantastic coach.

The other one I was going to ask you, you mentioned players making plays, no one to make plays. Jalen Carter, as you know, I mean, you got a lot of credit, you know, but I think he's just incredible and I thought he made one of the biggest plays in Eagles history considering what y'all accomplished running that coffee house is what we'd call it against L.A., the little fake game. Yeah. Is that, do you guys discuss that? Was that predetermined? I mean, he was seeing, he was seeing every week, he was seeing a lot of the slide. So that's why I prided myself on winning one-on-one. So y'all are going to slide him every time y'all just going to leave me one-on-one, I'm going to make you pay. So I end up.

doing that. And it was, at that point, it was late in the game. I think it was, I think that was like the last drive of the game. It was. It was like play eight. I'm gas because I've been through everything is snowing. It's slick. I mean, I'm gas. I think I had, I had ran out of the game because I'm like, man, I got to get a fresh body here. Like, I ain't got nothing left. So, I mean, he knew he was getting a slide, especially on that last drive. And, you know, he's just setting it up. Like, he got, going to try to split it. You know, when you get the slide, you want to have a guy trying to, like, be in the middle. So the quarterback, like, if he get too high, the quarterback and just run up the middle. And he knew, like, he was going to get the slide. So the center going

come. And he just set him up. Like, he set him up to where on tape, I say this, on tape, a lot of the games that we played, he started getting the slide so much, we start picking. So we start, like, killing centers. Like, while they not look, looking. So they had, obviously, they had that on tape. So they had started like malleying back and kind of like trying to play both. Yes. And like he'll get the slide. So he knew the slide was coming his way. And he just set him up. I mean, that's just the talent that he has. I always tell him, like, this dude, he got all the tools to be one of the best. Like, he got it. He got everything that you

want in the defensive line. He got it. He got to keep his head down and put the work in. Yeah. And the thing I really like about, about him and he's just got to control it is his aggression. I love his aggression. I just love the chip on his shoulder that he plays with. When he starts pointing at people, and I heard when he starts smiling, it's not a good thing. No, I'll be telling him, I'll be like, bro,

you know, you think everybody not watching you, bro, they probably got five cameras just looking at you. He's like, man, I ain't even doing that. I'm like, JC, come on, bro. They're watching you, dog. It was funny, man. He's like, man, they always trying to do something to me. Then you'll see, like, after a play or something here,

walk up on a dude or bump or what. Yeah, just a little bomb. He did a dude in the face mask or something. I didn't record so many clips just dying laughing because he'll do something. They'd like turn around. The guy get him. He'd be like, like, he didn't do that. That's good.

Nobody's going to say you're flopping. Nobody's going to say you're flopping when you're Jalen Carter. Hilarious. Great, great player. Great dude. the future break for sure. No question. Talking about the future here, New England Patriots,

you're probably excited to play with a lot of guys on the defense. I see a lot of potential. But is there one guy in particular, you mentioned Barmore, is there one guy in particular that you're really looking forward to lining up next to her with? Bearmore for sure. No, I'm coming off.

He had a big year in 23. Last year he was dealing with the blood clot thing. just something serious. If he ain't good, then, you know, don't try to push it. Yeah. Definitely him. Keon White. Yes.

Kean White. I see a lot of myself in him, just how he carry yourself, how he goes about his business, how he work. Similar body type, you know, 6-4, 65, you know, 280, 290, fast, strong, like, guys. everything in the toolbox to to really do line up wherever having that versatility to play inside, outside. You know, I probably must have on being able to do

the same thing. So I hadn't already told him like, if we end up on the same side, like, when it's time to go rush, it's going to get nasty. Yeah. It's going to get nasty for sure. So, no, I'm definitely excited. You know, I'm down here now. We just

start our OTA program. And, you know, just getting working, getting around the guys, you know, getting in the long, you know, already trying to pick Coach Vrable Brain already, you know. He came in our meeting, you know, giving us little tips and pointers already. So I already know it's going to be, it's going to be fun. Yeah, I think Keon's the truth. I think Keon's got a chance to be one of the best.

I really do. And you guys lining up next to each other, that's going to be a lot of fun. How long do you think it takes to get on the same page to where, you know, when we play together, you know, it's me, BG, Fletch those guys, we'd look at each other and know, hey, we're running a game or, you know, you tap the helmet and it's, hey, three techniques going, or sometimes we just play off each other during the play, as I know you guys do, but it takes time. So how long does that take and how can you guys get on the same page? I'll probably definitely say it'll take training camp, probably the first quarter of the season, just to get familiar with

everybody, but training camps are the most of the work on we're done. it with the walkthroughs, practice, being in the same film room, just communicating with each other. I definitely think, yeah, training camp going to get most of the word, probably the first quarter of the season before. We really just start clicking. And then once he see, like, when the bullets start flying, how people really react, and he see that I'm like, hey, we just got to, we just got to turn it up a notch. Then, you know, we just going, we just going, I feel like it's going to click.

You just mentioned training camp. Are you secretly trying to get the most comfortable? training camp temperature possible coming from Louisiana being a Texas guy then going Louisiana then go to Philly then go to Boston where it's like 75 degrees how much take me back to what is it Crowley Texas Crowley Texas so Crowley Texas and then where's tech is that tree port or somewhere else or where rest in Ruston, Ruston Louisiana okay how damn hot is it down there and how hard was it growing up playing football in Texas Like in August.

Texas is like more like dry heat. Dry. It'd get up to like 103, 104. I'm talking about like beaming. Louisiana is more like humid heat. It would be like 95, but the air is just like thick. Like it's like you can't breathe. It's like it's choking.

So I mean, you end up, I mean, you get eventually. you're going to have to fight through it. No question. If you would have asked me if I were going to come up north to play football, I ought to be like, nah, because Philadelphia is cold late in the year, New England cold late in the year. And, you know, I'd have been in Philadelphia for four years. So I feel like I got used to playing in the cold now.

So coming up here, I don't think it's going. It's going to be cold, but, I mean, I'm going to be colder than you think. I'd be all right. The journey will be pumping. As long as I got them here, I don't think. and stuff on the sideline where I can go over there and warm up, I'd be good, but you can't sit down too long because the heaters now, they'll burn you.

Get the heaters and get one of those little, get one of those little lamps you put in your house that mimics the sunlight because the sun's going to get out at fucking 4 o'clock, and you're going to be like, damn, I've never seen the sun less than being up here in New England. And I don't know if you notice this, the building while it's spectacular. That building's beautiful facility.

They don't have any windows, bro. You don't look around for a window. tomorrow. Let me know if you see one. They don't let you see outside. I think that was a bill thing. Now that you say that a bill thing. That's funny me a window, bro. Now that you find me a window. You send me a window. I ain't seen a window now that you say that. But the good thing is, I'll say, they say, well, we get a new facility next year. They're in the process of building right now. Yeah. Bro, that place is pristine and they're building a new one. That's incredible. That's what happened when you went out of Super Bowes.

I know, dude. I know. All right, a couple quick ones for you on the way out here. All right, well, maybe before that. We were just talking about Louisiana Tech. One of my favorite players in the league is Ligeria Sneed. I just think, like, when you, next to the word dog in the dictionary, there's Ligerius Sneed, in my opinion.

Yeah, man. What was it like playing with him? And you play with A Meek, right? A meek, yeah. Yeah, me and a meek. Just come from, come from, come from nothing, you know, just looking for opportunity to, you know, make a name for yourself. And these guys work. Like, anytime, like, after a workout or on the weekend where everybody

going home, I come up to a facility and I see these dudes there. Like, already doing something, I already in full sweat working, you know, working their craft, working their technique. And, you know, these guys, like I said, just looking for opportunity and they got, they got had all the tools and, you know, they just took advantage of the opportunity. So all right. I was trying to make sure I was doing the same thing. And once I saw, I think Snee's first year, and I played with him, he was playing safety. When I got there, he was playing safety. Oh, wow.

So he went to the combine. I think he went and ran like four three something. And then he got picked up in the third round, I think. And then the meat got picked up in the fourth round. And I remember watching Snee's first game because I was just excited for him just to see what he was going to do. And I think he ended up starting the first week. versus the Texans, Will Fuller. And he out there, like, getting it to him.

I'm like, hey, he put the work in. If he can do it, why come I can't? Yeah. So just seeing that just made me want to work even harder just to make sure that I got to that point. And like I said, just a great dude, family dude, family guy. And, you know, he put it in the work. He put it in the work to get where he got.

And I was happy for him when he signed this deal, yeah, yeah. I know last year he was dealing with, dealing with injuries, but he's going to bounce back. Oh, he's going to bounce back for sure, dude. He's going to bounce back for sure. One of my favorite games ever was when they played Miami and it was like zero degrees.

And he was just jamming people into the back. Tyree, he was on him. Hey, he's going to talk to the noise too. I like that. I like that. But evidently he doesn't talk much outside of the, off the field. He don't. I'm the same way.

Like, once I get on the field, like, it's a different mode. Because now I feel like you're trying to take something from you. You're trying to stop me from being able to, you know, provide for my family or, you know, get what I want. So no question. It's a different mindset. But once we get out of the field, like, I'm a chill, laid back dude. I don't be in the mix too much. I'll be out the way for real.

But once I get on the field, you know, it's this switch. You got to switch. Because if you don't, you don't. I feel bad for what's going to happen to you. That's exactly right. Okay, rapid fire here. We got to pick an occupation for Brandon Graham after football. Any guesses what he's going to do or what he should do after football?

Is it pastor or should he work for WIP? He definitely need to be on TV. He definitely needs to be on TV because he knows the game. He can talk the game. And he just a good dude to talk to. He'll talk to anybody about anything. and I mean, he had made you feel like you know him. Since I got to Philly, like, just being a young player

and obviously, like, looking up to you guys, you know, on y'all's Super Bowl running your jaw head and just, like I said, picking his brain on everything that he went through. He talked about just how his career started. You know, everybody was saying, oh, he's not this and he not that and blah, blah, blah. He was almost, he almost got traded. Yeah. And, you know, he ended up getting an opportunity.

and like he ain't feeling he ain't gonna mess it up so yeah i took that and ran with it but he he gonna be he need to be on tv because he can talk to the game and he he just he's just good to talk to he can he can make anybody smile man he can anybody right in anybody's day and the funniest thing about him is i used to always tell people this i don't know if he was doing it this late in his career six seven years later but he used to be dressed for practice at like seven a m Hey, before the walk through, like, before our morning meetings, he already got his football pants with the pads. With the pads of the pads.

He already got it on. I'm like, done. Eating in his locker. He's like, man, I was just trying to, you know, get him loosened up, getting ready. And, like, he out there, like, busting his ass. Yeah, he is. He's the oldest dude on the team, and he ain't making no excuses. He's going out there getting it.

So he's an example for us. we ain't got no excuse. Like he didn't already have and played a great career, won the Super Bowl, got one of the most historic plays in Super Bowl history. And every day at practice, he's bringing it. I'm talking about every, so we ain't got no excuse. So just watching him, you know, some days, it gets to them days where it's like, well, you really don't got it.

Like, you just don't feel like it. And he always, you see him bringing the energy and just going. It's like, I ain't got no excuse. No, no question. I mean, the guy played forever and was incredible the whole time

and Philly legend for sure. And then how about a jersey you would like to trade? You'd like to get a jersey off somebody next year. Maybe if you don't play them next year, it could be down the line. Um,

as far as like an offensive player or just... Anybody in the league? Like, whose game are you a fan of who realistically you think you might be able to get a jersey from? Because I used to have guys I was a fan of,

but I didn't feel like I'd come up to him get their jersey, right? I wish I could have got A.D. jersey before he retired. I wish I could have got him because I watch a lot of his tape. And by having the same type, body type, I'm looking at guys that were successful in my position, the undersized guy, they short arms and all this stuff. And he out here dominating everybody he line up against. So I'm like, I definitely got a chance.

So he was one. Can I give you an Aaron Donald fact? while you think of the second. All right. Guess how much he weighed when he played in the Super Bowl against the Bengals? 280. It starts with the 2 for sure, but you're going to be shocked. 280?

28. It de-tackle. That's what he told your boy right here, dude. Hey, when I tell you that guy was so good, the first day he walked on the field as a rookie, we said, we said, we walked up to the D-coordinator the first day, my buddy William Hayes and we said, hey, you need to go ahead and make him the highest paid player in football. Just go ahead and do it. Man, I'll be watching, like, we'll watch some of his, like, some of his cuts and some of his

rushes, and it's just like, dog, like, it's like, don't even watch that because he's doing, he's the stuff he's not, it's crazy. Things you can take from it, but you can't try to emulate it. You can't try to do it. You can not do it. Like, don't even, like, I watch them, but I don't even try to, like, I don't watch them enough. Like, you're going to watch him, was like you're not going to be able to replicate. But you know what the most underrated thing about him that anybody can do is? And I was just teaching football to some DeLyman here at home yesterday is he wins the rush

and then he makes sure he wins the rush. He's as good as anybody about getting the trash off him. So he probably get to the back. So if he chop club somebody, he's not just going to chop club him. They're going to feel his hands on their back four or five times as he ricochets off him to tighten that corner. And I think that's one thing that's super underrated that he does that anybody can take that from his game. But yeah, another guy I watch a lot is Jeffrey Simmons.

I love Jeffrey Simmons. Jeffrey Simmons with the Titans. I watched a lot of his tape last year. This dude is, I mean, line up anywhere and he's just dominating, like, just a force. Like I said, the same thing about JC is just all the tools and whatever you want to be linemen. it's right there and he put it on tape every single week

playing hard you know running getting out of the stake you know dominating the run game dominating in the pass rush just just a good player that I'm definitely be watching

and stealing from so make sure you get his jersey and make sure you dab him up he's got the heaviest hand I ever shook it's like a bear paw oh you can see it on tape bro I should have shook his hand

at the Super Bowl I was like god damn dude What the fuck? Okay. And then how about the best guard you've played so far in the NFL? Best guard. Zach Martin mentioned you by name on the podcast last week. So when he was, he is one of them for sure.

And I'll probably say him and Tyler Smith. Tyler's a beast. Both on the Cowboys. I mean, this dude is, I mean, just strong. Like if he get his hands on you, like grip strength, it's like, you can't let him get his hands on you. Or the rep going to be over with it. So you got to try to stay on edge, you know, keep him, keep him guessing on what you're going to do. Because like, even like just retired, Tyron Smith.

His hands. This dude, he's the same way. What are they doing for their grip strength there, bro? I have no idea. But it's like this dude, once he get his hands on you, he's not letting go to the player. It's done. Like, I was so, like, mad. Like, I was even trying to, like, talk to him, like, talk noise to him.

He's not saying nothing. He's not even, he just, like, I'm not even there. I'm like, dog. So seeing him retire yesterday, he had a great career. Yeah. And I was even talking to, talking with, also, just talking, talking about him. Like, this dude is, like, a Terminator or something, dog. Like, don't say nothing, but he out there dominate.

So. But, yeah, Zach Martin, when I, when I first, when I first, when I first got in the league, he was definitely like just a technician, you know, run block, pass block. He had everything that you're willing in the guard. And I'm pretty sure Tyler Smith been picking his brain on things to learn online. So, yeah, he definitely one of the best guards in the league right now. All right. Last question for you, man. And you've been real generous with you, Tom, again.

Thanks again, champ for joining the show. And so, you know, as you become a vet here and you are a big time vet and you're walking in the new locker room, who's a guy, you're going to be helping out younger players? Who's a guy that helped you out that maybe people don't know as much about and doesn't get enough credit? Like BG, everybody knows he was the OG in the room. But like, was there an offensive lineman or a coach that doesn't get mentioned or a defensive player that doesn't get mentioned in Philly that took you under their wing? man it's a lot of guys I can name that were just good dudes that was one thing about Philly just good people good people but the one to come to to my mind the most is uh jvon hardgrave yeah jvon hardgrave that's my that's my boy we kind of like kind of got the same start in our

NFL career just being from small schools you know undersized get the undersized label you know everybody like Kind of like, well, he, I don't know. He if he, we don't know if he can do it. He's small and this and that. So just going out there and making sure that you prove it every week, like that you belong in this league and just, you know, picking his brain and, you know, getting the recovery tips from him and just hot tub, cold tub, sauna, massages, lightbed, acupuncture, you know, all this. stuff to make sure that your body is ready for Sunday. So he was definitely one. And then Russian, well, I still watch a lot of his rushes too. Like once I saw like how he was moving and the tools he had, I'm like, okay, I got a little bit of that same little. You got the same wiggle.

Same wiggle to me. So yeah. I watched a lot of him. So I was just trying to emulate what he was doing. And then just I'm always trying to steal from anybody that's, you know, whatever is working. Now, I feel like I can add some kind of way I need to add it to my game to work. So watching him a lot, definitely helped my game a lot once I got started. So, yeah, hardware for sure. And he just got the bag again. Oh, yeah. So, dude, thank you so much, Milton, for coming on.

I know you said, hey, you looked up to our group. I just wanted to say, bro, we wouldn't have had a fucking chance, all right, playing y'all. You all were so good. And honestly, the way you finish that season, season, you know, eating like y'all did up front. We were all proud to say, hey, we were the last group that did it. And at the next parade, you know, if that's down the line a little ways, we'll have a beer, all right?

We'll celebrate the next team. But congratulations on all your success, dude. Appreciate you, man. That's big coming from you, one of the OGs for sure. Hey, no problem, man. No problem. Hey, tape doesn't lie. You got it done.

So thanks so much. Tape, don't lie.