Green Light with Chris Long - MNFB, Rams, Saints, Chase Young, Robots (NSFW), and NBA Side Team Pick

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

NFL Football & Sports Talk. Green Light Podcast with Chris Long | Chalk Media. Chris Long and Macon Gunter talk Monday Night Football, NFL Week 10, College Football, and Chase Young. Chris also spills the beans on his new "side team" in the NBA. Special guest appearance by decorated Green Beret, Jason Van Camp. Watch More Green Light Podcasts: World Series Talk with Sean Doolittle. Green Light Podcast Exclusive | Chalk Media https://youtu.be/n-rPYqIrWq0 NFL Football Week 10 & Sports Talk with Chris Long on Green Light Podcast | Chalk Media https://youtu.be/AZ-8QC0b1cU About Chalk Media: Following the unfiltered voice and vision of Chris Long, Chalk Media is the interactive online community for you, the intelligent and humorous sports fan. Driven by access, Chalk delivers a unique perspective that cuts through the canned talking points and provides a variety of content from your favorite sports and entertainment celebrities. Here at Chalk, we don’t take ourselves too seriously, but we are rooted in challenging the perception of professional athletes. We embrace the “real” with a unique combination of humor and intelligence. Chalk is a community with a voice beyond 240 characters that brings a perspective and vibe to a traditionally brash and boastful sports media space. Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more. Nothing is off limits at Chalk - hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Football season has actually started, and today I'm going to pick a new side team in the NBA. I mean, I heard tales. I heard heads. Of course, what we're referring to is Gino's overtime coin toss call last night. And it's kind of gotten to be like the blue dress. Remember the blue dress? Yeah, the gold dress. Tomato.

I say I heard tails. You say you heard heads. It doesn't matter because each team had multiple opportunities to score in overtime last night in a thriller that was very exhilarating and sloppy at the same time. And a heavyweight matchup for sure, we'll get to that in a bit. But the coin toss thing had me thinking about another thing I've had me thinking about another thing I've going on, which is the admission that I need an Eastern Conference side team. Now the concept of a side team in the NBA is where if you've been a Knicks fan since

you were a kid, you should only have to suffer so much. I've been a Knicks fan since 1994 when my family moved to Charlottesville, Virginia from Los Angeles. I was not an NBA fan. Years 1 through 8 of my life. the Knicks were a tough, rugged outfit in the 90s. That appealed to me as a suburban nine-year-old white kid. And they also had the theme colors of our beloved Virginia Cavaliers.

Virginia Cavaliers. So I became a Knicks fan. And now about 26 years later, hasn't really panned out. But I'm not jumping ship. I do deserve a respite, if you will, from my suffering. And that comes in the form of a side team. I think everyone should have one. If you are a front runner and you're not a loyalist like I am,

that you don't get a side team. But if you're a loyalist, I know it doesn't sound right. No. If you're a loyalist and you've been a Knicks fan for 20 plus years, you deserve a distraction. And that has come in the form of a Western conference team for me, in the Blazers recently. Love the personality of a team.

Love the Unis. They're not a front-running team. If they win, you're excited. So I made the admission on Twitter this week, and some people were shocked at this concept of a side team. I thought many people had side teams. Do you have any side teams? No, is my answer.

Michigan? Okay, let's talk about Michigan. When the question is, where would you have gone to school? If you hadn't gone to Virginia, my answer is Michigan. I applied, I got in, I visited. I love the school. You own a Michigan clothing? Very little.

But some. That's a fine point. Some. Should Michigan go winless for years on end? That's like the cyber cheating. I am not going to be bothered by that. That's like emotional cheating. You're not actually cheating on your team in Virginia.

but you're emotionally cheating. You are on the cusp. I'm not. Do I know who Michigan has this week? I do not. Do I have Jim Harbaugh takes? I do not. Will I continue to pose myself questions? I might. But no, Michigan is not a side team. And so you're talking about any sport, not just NBA. I think you can have one in any sport. For me, my fandom, you know, I'm an Eagles fan because that's where I finished and that was a special time. But I have a hard time actively rooting in the NFL. I've played in it too long. It's soured. The purity of being a fan has been soured by playing for 11 years.

In baseball, when I grew up, I was a Yankees fan. And I lost interest in baseball. So. Well, as you said, growing up in the middle of Virginia with no professional team within two hours, it is tough. We have no geographic loyalty. I mean, people would like the team, the football team in Washington. We have a lot of that.

We have a lot of Caprice classics and, you know, old Ford Rangers driving around with the Redskins flags. You know, the team in Washington. The team in Washington, I try not to use the word. There are a lot of Redskins fans. There's a lot of team in Washington fans here in Virginia. but we don't have a team and that's why when the Panthers initially I was a Cowboys fan

I was looking like a front runner years one through eight there Panthers came in a league Cowboys were doing a lot of cocaine when I'm a kid not thinking that's very cool I had to adopt a new team oh yeah a lot of arrests

I wanted to take the high road and I opted to be a fan of that new exciting Panthers operation and that was my favorite team I lived and died with the Panthers. I was also a Penguins fan in hockey, a little more front running,

but I'm eight, nine years old here. I cried when the penguins lost to the Florida Panthers. I'm afraid to Google what year that was because it could have been like 2003. You know, I remember producing tears at the end of that game. And I'm like, looking back, I'm like, why the fuck did you care so much? Yeah.

My quick take is that side teams are no bueno and side team people lack integrity. Yeah? I don't own any blaze. Well, I do own Blazers clothing. My longer take is that life is short and you should do what you like. Yeah.

But there for a little while, the only thing you were missing was Duke if you were Cowboys, Yankees. So I'm glad you've actually, you've turned a bit into perhaps. I did want to go to UNC for a while. I thought the uniforms were really cool. but now I'm kind of the frontrunner because I'm a Virginia fan and we're good at everything.

Side note, we open it up to Twitter. A lot of people wanted me to be a Sixers fan. I've rang the bell at the Sixers game, sort of. I don't think it's okay to be a front running side team person. And the Sixers are a front running team right now. The Sixers are hot right now. I mean, they may be fourth or fifth record-wise right now, but they're an odds-on favorite in the east to be there at the end.

So that's not an option. What we're going to do today, by the way, the Nets, very gracious people, if you see this picture here, they have been trying to pull me from the loving arms of the New York Knickerbockers recently, whining and dining me at their beautiful arena, court side. And you got water boy Joe Buckets, Joey Hoops. Joey Hoops, Hoops 2-0, got to see Malcolm Brogden, Joe Harris.

and actually Nets cut a check to water boys. That'll help. So they are trying hard to position themselves as my side team right over the bridge there in Brooklyn, which is a lovely place. Lovely place. But I need a side team. So we're gonna flip a coin.

We're gonna flip a coin and the rules of this coin flip are in the spirit of Gino and last night. That is a regulation coin. I'm going to call heads or tails. If I win, I get to choose your side team for the year, correct? Right. And what are the penalties?

Well, I think there's a minimum of a tweet a week. Now, if I lose, you choose my side team. Correct. Eastern Conference, because my Western's taken. Yeah, you need to tweet about the club. And I'm talking retweeting team account, like, hey, we're 10 and 3 with a big win. over the X.

You're wearing gear. I think you have to watch a game in its entirety at least once a month. I mean live tweet the game. How about bi-monthly? Yes, and sure. Okay, so for me,

because I do tweet to about a half a million people, I don't know how many I tweet to. You don't tweet to a lot. Three digits. Three digits. I think for me it's a little tougher than it is for you.

I agree. So I would say that as long as we're doing this pod thing and you have MLS to sell real estate. I'm not long for this seat here. Yeah, you're not long for this seat. But if we raise enough money

maybe we can keep them in the seat. We'll pop that GoFund me up later. You have to wear for the entirety, the duration of your contribution to Greenlight Pod. You have to wear the gear of that team if you lose this coin toss through the season. Okay.

At least a t-shirt every Friday, and they have to wear it at work too. Not like, you don't have to show up with Pacers gear on. Is that going to be my club? To the next, the next beautiful,

um, rural bucolic. Bucolic is the most used adjective in real estate. Is it? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Something does not have,

have to be bucolic to be called bucolic. Well, around here, there's a lot of, there's a lot of bucolic shit. Yep. That's true. So we'll flip this coin. This is a 2013 quarter. And it's a tag confusing because it features

Mount Rushmore on the back. So we have GW making an appearance on the front and the back. Okay. But just so there's no Gino controversy. We go president or mountain. Let's just call it, call President or Mountain. This is heads, like any other quarter you've ever seen.

But there's more heads on the back side. Two, that's kind of, but there's more heads on Mount Rushmore, so it's confusing. You can see why that would be confusing to me. Yeah. Can we rectify this? Not in the time allotted. Okay. So heads is George Washington alone.

Tails is George Washington and his buddies. With a cameo maybe from TJ. We'll look into that later. Okay. All right. You're going to toss this coin, and I'm going to call it in the air. It's going to land on the ground. Heads.

Oh, you want to take the coin toss off. I think that's a re-flip. Yeah, it is. I'm not looking at it. Okay. Okay. Heads.

This is live. Oh, no. It is a tails. Thank goodness. I'm really looking forward to this. Man, there's one team. I really hope it's not. And I don't know.

I didn't think about it quite like that. Well, you don't have a lot of time. This is a show. business. Okay. For so many reasons, which I'm happy to get into. Okay. Your side team for the 2018, 2019, 2020, NBA season, fact check, is the Boston self-fax. Fuck! Yes! It might be overmodulated. No! We'll correct that later. Now, a few reasons. You have aligned yourself with three other Atlantic Division teams. teams, Knicks, Nets, Sixers. The Celtics are good and will be relevant.

You're in the Bill Simmons orbit, and you have the New England-Filly deal. I love this. You're a Celtics guy. This is great. You'll have fun with it, Kimba. Hayward will be back in six weeks? This is awesome. This is terrific. Who would admire them?

I'm actually nauseous. You're actually nauseated. We can get to that a little bit later too. That was fun. Well, the ringer demo is going to love me. Yeah. Maybe Bill Simmons will give me a raise. Who would have been my team?

I just had a feeling I'd lose. You didn't even pick one. I think I was going to go with like, well, in all honesty, what would have been your most terrifying team? Yeah, I wasn't really fearing this. I don't know. I would have just made you dress up in Bobcats gear. Not a team anymore.

Right. Yeah, fuck the Bobcats or something. The Celtics hurts you. That really hurts. That feels good. Okay, so one tweet a week, one retweet of a team account a week, and I have to wear some Celtics gear this Friday on the pod. And you're live tweeting two games a month.

I said watch. I didn't say live tweet. I'll watch them. Go back to the tape. Okay. This will be good. Anyways, I was also nauseous this weekend because we went to Millers, which is a fine establishment here in Charlottesville.

The fabled origin, many would say, of the Dave Matthews band. They used to play at Millers. Have you heard that rumor? I heard Dave might have even bartended there, yeah. Ah, yeah. So they also have great late night food, good beer. I love the late night food, pretzel bites. Pretel bites and me, it's like betting a money line after dark on a Sunday in the NFL.

I have no shot. It's like a tractor beam that pulls me in. So we get there Saturday night. Big group. I say, hey, let's order some pretzel bites. I go get a Pilsner, Pilsner night in America. Yes, it was. And I go to the bathroom, come out.

Man, that was fast. Pretzel bites on the table. So I start chomping away. they're not as hot as I remember but they're good they're doused in Parmesan they're dusted um somebody's already grabbed out a few so you're you're getting yeah i'm getting into it and uh three handfuls in i hear not ours uh i was eating the leftover pretzel bites from a large group that i think it was a couple it was a couple i might even be worse they looked like they had good hygiene, but it made me sick to think that I might have been biting off the same piece of

deep fried pretzel that somebody had in their mouth. And I was only two seats down from you. I wasn't. It was disgusting. I wasn't watching. This became legend among our table of 10 within seconds. I didn't see what had happened. I just saw you ambling to the bathroom. And I said, What's up? And I was told that he just ate that nice couple's leftover pretzel bites that they probably had been mangling for. Spondling. Better part of 45 minutes or so. Coughing on.

It's flu season. Man. Did you get sick? Not sick yet, but I'm sick because I have to root for the Celtics. But you know what? I will. I want to put an asterisk there because that's a front running side team. so maybe we came up with the rules they weren't they weren't disputed fuck me um okay so this weekend was

great other than the pretzel bites um man last night went well over and Seattle and Seattle I mean things were really coming together for me I'd actually retired from gambling for about 18 hours and uh I said what the hell you know I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna come back in the 45, like MJ, and made it right, Monday night. Also, Sunday was probably the first day in my history of fandom period that I enjoyed watching the NFL more than I enjoyed college. This is my first fall watching football after Halloween, when it gets real, as a fan. And, you know, the first two months of the season, I'm like, this is all you got? A bunch of backup quarterbacks, sloppy teams. I know we like parody, but what the fuck is going on? And then Halloween happens. We start

figuring out who teams are, who they aren't. We've got big matchups this weekend. And there was a point Sunday afternoon that my ADHD literally could not handle the stimulation. I had four TVs working. It was Detroit driving to tie it up with under a minute to go in Chicago with a back up quarterback. It was, you know, one score game with Tampa and Arizona. It was a one score game. Who else was? Cleveland was second down under 45 seconds to go in the red zone. Tanna Hill just went in for his third comeback victory of the season to beat the Chiefs. Unreal. And then the late games, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something early. Oh, Bill's Browns, Chief Seitons, Jets Giants. Jets Giants. Jets Giants was a one-score game.

No, not many people cared about it, but it was a one-score game, and all this is happening within a three-minute span. There's nothing like it in sports next to like the NCAA tournament, but when football's done right in the NFL, this happens every week late in the season. And then the 4 o'clock games continue not to disappoint

unless you had the Rams' money line. The Rams driving to inevitably tear everybody's hearts out. And then the Packers in a snow flurry, A-Rod, as I call him, which I think is fine. People get triggered by that, bothered by that. Yeah, it doesn't land right with me either. Do you? You like baseball?

Do you? No, but that gentleman laid claim to it. I like the other one better. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Better player?

Yeah. No cheat. No cheating. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, that game was tight too and it looked like football. It's beautiful. And then last night. And Carolina's Unis. Carolina's Unis. Green Bay. I mean, there were some good uni combos. Last night, I was cool with it. Really visually easy game to look at.

Wonderful Sunday into Monday night of football. I get it now. We're going to talk about all that. We're going to talk about the Rams implosion, the Saints' loss. We're going to talk about Chase Young, Joe Burroughs, lookalikes, and sex robots, which I know you're thrilled about.

But first, we've got a really, really cool guest. Veterans Day was yesterday. It's hard to segue from Veterans Day or from Sex Robots to one of the most decorated green berets I know, a hell of a guy, a Renaissance man, an author, a former football player played at Army Jason Van Camp,

somebody who I climbed Killy with, and somebody who's kind enough to join us on this Tuesday morning. Welcomeing to Greenlight, somebody I'm really excited to have. Yesterday is, of course, Veterans Day. We don't tape on Mondays, so I hit my boy up, Jason Van Camp,

decorated Green Beret, now an author, a bit of a Renaissance man, but he's got a book coming out, deliberate discomfort, which is going to be dropping on Amazon, Black Friday, November 29th, and also in print, February. 18th lessons from 12 military heroes.

Jason, how are we doing, man? Chris, I'm doing great, man. I'm doing great. Having a great time. You know, I've got two young kids, and we just kind of talked about it. One of them is five months old. It doesn't sleep super well, so I've been up since 1.30 rocking the kids, man. Other than that, I'm good.

Can you give us a little background on what that book is about? Yeah, it's a great question, brother. It's about getting comfortable, being uncomfortable. Essentially, the book is about me. It's about my journey after earning my Green Beret and reporting to my company for the first time. And my company commander, my boss, who's a legend, you know, he tells me before he's able to give me command, that he wants me to understand what it means to be a commander and a leader in his company. He wants me to understand how his company operates and the culture that he established there.

So in order for me to do that, he tasked me to speak to officers and NCOs in his company, ask them questions, get a feel about who they are, and how they make decisions. And after I meet with those people, he wants me to come back to him and report back and say, this is what I've learned. So the book has 12 chapters, and each chapter is a different experience with one of these special operations forces guys, Dream Berets, Navy SEALs, seals, rangers, marines, unbelievable heroes, medal of honor recipients. And that's what the book is all about. I gave a little background before you came on. You are not just an author, a Renaissance

man, a decorated green beret. You are an athlete. And you were a hell of a football player, an army. And, you know, you went through all the rigors of prepping for service, but also training camps and practices. How do you manage your time? And what's the biggest challenge of being a football player and somebody who's getting ready to go do the crazy shit that you did for much of your life. Yeah, I appreciate that. So yeah, I played Army football. We went two and two against Navy during my career. It's debatable whether or not I was a hell of a football player, I think. Well, you played an Army, man. That was quite an experience. I'll tell you, man. We had some tough seasons. We were one in ten, you know, my senior season. We had a

a brand new coach was tough. And then my sophomore year, we were 10 and 2. And we went to a bowl game and played Auburn and won the commanders in Chiefs trophy, which means that we beat Navy in Air Force and got an invitation to the White House. So, you know, the recruiters, you know, they recruited me out of high school. They basically lied to me, man. They're just like, you know, you don't have to worry about this Army stuff. Don't worry about that.

We're going to be up at the stadium lifting weights. Seaball get ball. See ball. It's that simple. You know, this dumb 18-year-old kid. I was like, oh, okay, all right, you know. Worry about that army stuff when you graduate, that, that, you know. But hell no, that's not what it was like, man.

Day one, you're learning how to march, learn how to fire weapons, you know, out in the woods with face paint on, like, sleep in the woods. And so it was a wake-up call for a lot of guys on the football team, especially me. You're just kind of, what the hell did I get myself into? You know, like I didn't sign up for this, man. I wanted to play football on Saturdays and everything. And you quickly learn that you're not at West Point just to play football. Like you're not going to survive if that's your mindset. And so you just have to embrace the suck.

You know, you have to get comfortable, being uncomfortable, and say, you know what, I can quit and go home and try to, you know, walk on another program next year or I can stick this out. Do you sleep? What's that? Do you sleep when you're an Army football player? Like, where do you find time to sleep? How much literal time to stare at a computer or a TV or stare at a wall do you have in a day as an Army football player? Okay, so when you're a freshman, you wake up at about 5 a.m.

And you have to go do duties, you know, as a freshman, like different things you have to do. One of them is, you shine your shoes, get your bed in order, clean up your room. spit shine, you know, your boots, your shoes, go out to the hallway and you have leadership kind of training with a sophomore. And he asked you questions about the newspaper, what did you read, what's going on in the world. And then you have to call minutes. You have to tell everybody else in your company when formation is and what we're eating for breakfast and lunch and dinner and so forth. And then you go to breakfast and right after breakfast, you go immediately to your classes. We go to our classes until lunchtime and Army football players have 15

minutes before everybody else shows up for lunch where we have core squad tables where they're supposed to give you like really good food but it's just more more portion. More calories. You're gonna need out. You shit that everybody else is eating you know. Yeah. And you scram, you you run down there you you ram as much food as you can in your mouth and then you got to run up six flights of stairs. I can't use the elevator to your position meetings. You know, I was linebackers. We had linebacker meetings, you know.

And then after that, you run back down to class, and then you have class up until around four. And then you get on a bus. You immediately go to the stadium. You get off. You immediately get in locker and get your stuff on. You're out on the field at like 4.30 to 630 practice. You get changed, cleaned up.

7 o'clock dinner, 7.30, you're back down to the barracks at West Point. You have to do more duties, and then you have homework and lights out at 11 o'clock. And most people stay up past 11 o'clock, just getting their homework done with the lights off. And then you start all over again at 5 am. the next day, man. With a flashlight. You're up with like a mini flashlight trying to study. I don't even know what you would say. Biology or do you take it? Do you take it? anything like that. At Army, how does the course load work? Oh, God, man, the worst. I remember walking into my first class, it was called Discrete Dynamical Systems. And I had no idea what was going on.

They had me this calculator, like one of those new HP calculators. I didn't even know how to work the calculator, right? Right. I was like, this is going to be a long four years. Come on, man, it's a TI 83. I mean, that was the staple. So that was Jason Van Camp. great interview again you want to hear more of it we're going to release it in its entirety on our youtube channel uh and probably as a pod too um because we spoke for about 25 30 minutes great guy love the dude last night though wrapping up veterans day it was a showdown you know we've been waiting for this game for a while now and we're going to have Maybe a trilogy.

That's what I'm looking forward to. I'm going to see them again and maybe again. Hawks, at Niners, a battle for NFC West supremacy. It feels like the old NFC West days. Some good teams in that division, physical teams.

That game, of course, ended in overtime, 2724. The over. Overwhelming. The over and the Hawks. That's to do. Random thought I just had. The Celtics thing, although it's miserable for me.

I like Jason Tatum, St. Louis Kid. Good. Carson Edwards, who you mentioned? I love Carson Edwards. No, El Will, as Virginia fans. Had he made that last one, would not love Carson Edwards. Yeah. Taco Fall, really tall guy.

people who are over seven foot four are pretty lovable you know yeah i'm on board i mean i think i'm gonna puke but i'm on board kemba marcus smart yeah oh love marcus smart yeah almost everything about this team i like brad stevens you're gonna love this brad stevens kind of looks like pete buddage that's right good pronunciation. Is that a thing? Yes, people have made that comparison. But last night, the football game. Loppy.

Overtime, sloppy. A lot of people were like, it's a beautiful game. It's the best game I've seen all year. It was a great game. Competitive. It was also very sloppy. Niners who thought they had the question answered, can Jimmy G win the big game last week

as they found themselves in a shootout in the desert? Passed the test last week. Failed it last night. to me this game was about Russell Wilson on an average to above average team versus Jimmy G on a very stacked roster

at home and the cream rose to the top you had a game that had multiple comebacks Seattle has gotten used to this role spotting teams 10 points first quarter you look up and you're like well this game's going bad for the hawks is going bad for the over it is 10 nothing the clock's winding down

and the Seahawks have run like five six plays the center gets baptized in front of the Church of America on like the third play of the game it looks like it's going to be a long night that was misrepresentative of how the game went in its entirety that first quarter it ended of course in a kick there was a kick at the end of regulation

there was a kick at the end of overtime and we got 70 minutes of football which is a rarity I thought for a second it was going to be a tie we'll get to that in a bit one time I tied a game at candlestick which by the way not to go off on a tangent but that game at Candlestick

would have been friggin live like the stick although I did not like the Niners and we tied a game up there was a raucous place Levi Stadium kind of

what would the word be remote very remote sterile sterile Gene's Stadium doesn't really do it for me. Yeah. Is Candlestick the most raucous?

You played in? Candlestick was not the loudest. Seattle was always the loudest, followed by New Orleans. In my NFC West days, loved traveling out west, even though we lost for eight years straight to those two teams. It was like one of those things. It was my unicorn, you know,

beating those teams, which we finally tied the Niners like seven years into my career and beat the Seahawks. Of course at that point in my career, I was doing a lot to go out and play, and I know he was getting cut in about a month. So it was kind of bitter sweet for me. Again, last night, Russell Wilson's show. I want to give him his props. It's not like, I think the take of, I can't believe he's not being talked about for MVP is getting old. And I think we've entered into he's the frontrunner for MVP. I agree. And he should be. He is 6 to no. teams that are eight games above 500. I didn't look that up. That's a crazy stat. The guy's clutch, 32 game-winning drives since he's been in a league. Last night, used play action really well, 14 to 17, 130 plus yards, low pressure rate. We'll get to that in a second. They're really

able to keep that front at bay, really. I know the sacks say otherwise, but they manufactured a lot of pressure, which is not something they do a lot in San Francisco. And he's the most blitz. quarterback in the league, which is crazy. You know, the Tampa game was Blitz 75% of the time. Not advisable. He'll make you pay. Again, MVP performance, other than the one bad pick, to Hollister, who was, of course, a New England Patriots practice squad guy.

Maybe they could use him now. Listen, when you are putting a Caucasian bro wearing 48 in the Pro Bowl, like, you're doing something. Well, and had he not been, should he not do it with Hollister, he would have done it with Will Disley. He would have done it with Will Disley. Wasn't on a lot of fantasy squads to start the year. No, and the Barnwell tweet that I liked, you know, he said going into overtime, this is what Russell's working with. He's working with a seventh round running back who can't stop fumbling, which, by the way, I think Carson's, I really like Carson.

He runs hard. I know that they're worried about the fumbles, but I'd rather have a guy that fumbles occasionally. I might not be handing the ball as much in overtime. You've got a rookie wide receiver who was basically a meme, as Barnwell put it. I wouldn't quite go that far. You've got Gordon, who the entire league passed up on, and you're hitting him in key situations when Metcalf couldn't separate. And again, you have a practice squad tight end who was named after the Hollister clothing brand. You love Hollister, too. Con. Well done. Okay. Zero. Your first win of the day. Nice con attempt.

21 yards on scramble late in the game on third down when it's third and three. They're bringing the house. And I've seen that movie before. Russell Wilson stepping up into the big gap in a key situation and picking up yardage when he has to. That's what makes him great. He knows when to run. He knows when to hang in the pocket. He was great last night other than the one throw.

Duane Brown deserves props. locked down Bosa for the most part, also ran down that pick. He's been a really good pro, as much as it pains you to say that. I'd rather not say why. From our Commonwealth Cup days. I never beat Dwayne Brown,

you know, from a team standpoint at Virginia. But he is a good dude. He's a good hokey. I will say that. Jimmy, it was all in-breakers. Jimmy G., who, of course, played really well in Arizona, and people started to buy that stock, including myself.

I said, okay, he's checked off a box. Like, this confirms the numbers that we've seen with the wins. And he might be more like the guy I saw in New England in spells. Well, last night he didn't have it. And I'm not ready to, like, waffle on that assertion that he can win games for them, but last night he didn't have it. And he was three for 18 on passes of 10 yards or more last night.

That is not good. No kittle. Sanders out early. looked way different then. You know what he looked way different after though as well? The first couple of possessions, he got hit about five times in the side of the head. By Clowny, most of them.

And we didn't talk about Clowny. He was kind of the, everybody's talking about Clowny this morning. I just want to say this. The Texans basically paid $7 million to have him leave. Now they could use him. The Eagles also passed on him. Wasn't a football fit.

That puts me in good company. I must be pretty good. So, you know, Clowny, who was dominant last night, only had one sack. Thank God nowadays for, like, analytics, pressures, hits, all that stuff, pressure rate. When I got in the league, like, we just looked at the stats sheet. And if you had one tackle, you could have five hits, three pressures, nobody gives a shit. Clowny, on that biggest stage, most people aren't watching Seahawks games, are saying, He only has two sacks.

He only has X amount of sacks for his career. What a bust. This guy has been dominant. He's beaten people in so many ways. Last night he was lining up in a four-eye and a tight five a lot. That's when you're head up on the tackle or outside shade. He was jabbing at Staley. And he was bobbing and swatting back out, which is a lethal move.

He beat him with it like five times. He was rushing left, right. He used to float a lot in Houston. He used to be, you know, gap to gap. Now he's doing it as more of an edge rusher. He caused like three sacks by my count. The fumble, I hate it when people are like, great fumble recovery. Nobody gives a shit.

Like, you're in the right place at the right time. He did everything last night, run game, rushing the passer, and of course that big, big fumble return for a touchdown. But Jimmy G, once he rattled him, was not good, especially the last drive. Jimmy G had one pick negated by a penalty early, and by the way, the refs were out to get Seattle. I'm not usually one to say that, but it looked like that.

There were a lot of suspect calls and two drop picks on a key drive late in the game. So he was missing all night. He missed on the play that Griffin broke up in OT that could have been a touchdown. It wasn't his worst miss. You know, the Born drop for a pick. It was on Boren, but it wasn't right on target. A couple of Born drops. You Born drops.

Jason Born. What's the latest born movie? I don't know. You don't watch those? No. Not many drops for Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel was playing like a man possessed. He sat out of the Belk Bowl, the most recent Belk Bowl,

or the South Carolina Gamecocks against UVA. Glad he did to get ready for a game like this. Load management. Load management. All about it on this show. But again, Jimmy G., not his best night. What I learned last night, though, is that, first off, Seattle loves to give Seahawks fans, gray hairs. I mean, the 10-point thing, they've given up touchdowns on defense or on offense.

They've given up defensive touchdowns and special teams touchdowns off the top of my head in last night's game with the fumble return for a touchdown, which was bizarre, Wilson, Effetti, Buckner's in the end zone. then at least one defensive touchdown, I believe in the Ravens game on a Marcus Peters picksticks. There might have been another. And then the Saints game in Seattle, they spot them points on a fumble return for a touchdown.

I think a punt return too or a block punt, something on special teams. So this is a team that likes to live dangerously. I mean, they do, but they are damn good. And although Pete Carroll is very conservative, and the run game, a lot of people didn't want to see them go to it so much, play action was working.

Fourth and two, it worked out for him. They got the ball back. Fourth and two in overtime, of course, everybody's like, why are you punting? Seems like you're playing for the tie. Hindsight is 2020. It worked out. San Francisco's going to be in games

where Jimmy has to win it. He has to play better. The run defense up the middle and on the perimeter wasn't as good as usual. Just 20th in the league now. Yeah. Run defense.

So we are seeing a slow slide there and then running the football offensively for them, They especially couldn't get it up, they couldn't get it going up the middle. 3.2 a pop. Not great. 3.2 a pop is not great.

And if you watch them last night, they struggled to get in a rhythm in the run game. And that's what them winning is predicated on. Jimmy G., loaded box, make him beat us. So I look forward to the trilogy. And Emmanuel Sanders was out fairly early. Emmanuel Sanders was out.

As I mentioned, Jimmy looked different after that. And you said Kettle. So they will look a little bit different than they did in the second half. They will, to be fair, which is why I'm not going to freak out and put them like fifth in the power rankings.

Not that we're doing one here, but Seattle, if you're doing power rankings, you know, they have a high ceiling and they have a low floor because they're prone to a little bit of implosion and the fumbles and that sort of thing. And I don't think they're incredibly talented, but they are a team that people aren't going to want to see

in San Francisco has to see them twice more. and if they beat them twice, Russ will be renting space in Jimmy G's head going to the playoffs. Again, I felt like for a while, I read something where somebody said San Francisco could be up like 30 to nothing in the first half.

I didn't see it that way. I saw a Seattle team after that first quarter was moving the ball. And continue to move the ball the whole game. Of course, you had the Metcalf fumble before the half. But yeah, costly turnovers. I can't wait to see the next one. What did you take away?

You had a take. I do. You're talking about the Niners and the Seahawks seeing each other maybe two more times. You said Seattle and New Orleans were the two loudest places you've played. If we're talking about playoffs, home field advantage,

San Francisco had an opportunity to play for the tie late and overtime. Now you and Herm Edwards might play to win the game. but there was a minute and 50 left, and three incompletions from Jimmy G. Carl Shanahan, not known for running out the clock. You know something about that up 28 to 3.

Had they run the ball and run out the clock, you're 8-0-1 and you're still two games ahead of those other clubs in the loss column, Seattle and New Orleans. And although I don't like your take so much, I like meeting you in the middle there. You know, a little bit more clock management. Even if you just run it once, you can still take that shot on third down,

which almost connected. Yeah. You reduce the chances of Seattle being able to march down the field and get that field goal off. Don't hate it. 8-0-1, still unbeaten. Yeah, I know. And they could be the asterix

undefeated team. Looking up in the NFC West is, of course, the team that most people pick to win the division. Of course, Dave Damashek, who I've shouted out twice on this show now, picked the Niners to win the division, and I think playing the Super Bowl. So that's wild. The Rams are imploding. They're coming into Sunday playing the Steelers this past weekend in a must-win situation. Coming off of buys, of course, that's what they were doing.

They were 2-0 previously, scored 51 and 30 points in the game. the McVeigh era. Three points offensively Sunday, not going to get it done. No explosive plays. Two for Pittsburgh. Fifteen drives, no touchdowns. That's 19 in a row. All not good indicators. No, and I didn't see this game. I got a lot going on. Yeah. What I figured I would see when looking at the box score was your boy Todd Gurley with yards per carry somewhere under the 6.1 where it was. 12 for 73, 6.1. If they can run the ball,

what's the problem? Don't get it. Don't get it. Don't know if it's a pitch count thing. Don't know if it's a personal thing. But you've got a guy whose prime is dwindling because of health. I mean, that's what we know,

and you're wasting him. Yeah, but I'm not even saying it wasn't enough carries. I'm saying they were effective. No, I know. And so is it just the quarterback who's turning it over? No, I think it's a mixture.

At some point it's going to come to a head and you're going to have to say, what's the problem? Is it McVeigh or is it golf? And I would lean golf. Now, as I'll talk about in a minute, some of the theories out there say that McVeigh is less of an adapter

than Shanahan is. I mean, I've heard a take where people in the league say McVeigh is brilliant on the front end, but as things go, it's harder for him to hit that curveball in real time where Shanahan will always be a leg up, because he is very adaptive. I don't know if you believe that,

but bad news for the Rams is you also have a very bright young coach in Arizona who's doing a good job. And then the grizzly vet in Seattle, in Pete Carroll, who you might have issues with his conservatism. Is that the word? Sure.

Answer carefully, because you're supposed to be the word guy. Sure. Okay, conservatism, but in Seattle, You've got to deal with Russ versus Goff. You're never going to feel good about that. And you have the Cardinals who are building down south. Again, 306 yards, fewest all year, nine QB hits allowed. Golf was under siege, as he has been much of the season.

17.8 pressure rate, which is interestingly below the average of 19%. And they were one for 14 on third down, the worst in the McVay area. They were terrible against the, you know, the Niners a few weeks ago. they were 0 for 9. Cup was a non-factor. So how do we get here? I mean, because this is a year removed on Sunday from the Kansas City game

that was one of the, I mean, it was a big 12 game with pro athletes. And it was 54-51. And now they're showing three points on offense against the team that, listen, they're in the wild card race and I respect them, but defense is playing well. But that's just a far cry.

They had a ton of O-line continuity in 17 and 18. four out of five spots. You've got Gurley dealing with some injury to his knee. Obviously, there's some things that he's never going to be able to change about that knee. I don't know if he's on a pitch count or what, but it might, as you pointed out, be a good time to press forward with that and give him the rock.

The scheme always protected them up front. You know, that entire scheme is predicated on running the ball, getting the linemen sideways, and protecting the quarterback that way and protecting the O'Alignment. In the last two years, everybody talked up the Rams O line. They were good O line.

I thought they got a little too much hype. They lost Saffled, huge loss. And this is what it looks like now. You know, Alan and No Boom out for the season. Havenstein came out. Immediately, T.J. beat him. I think it was first sack. Five penalties on the offensive line.

Deep shots are not there this year. year with the O-line bad. That's affected cooks and Cup at times, although he's, he's had games like he had in London. But McVeigh's offenses in 17 and 18 were one and two, and now they're 10. And it feels way worse than that, doesn't it? Because the trends are dictating that, especially with the Ramsey trade, the offense is doing this and the defense is doing this. And now they're a defensive football team. In a six-month span, it happened. But they're not good enough or stable enough offensively. If you're going to be a defensive football team, you have to run the ball with authority and control the football and don't cough up the football. And whatever you

think about the golf fumble, I thought it was a fumble actually. And I was somebody who had money on Rams money line being objective. But they're stuck with this golf regression. And I never thought golf was a top five guy. I respect him. But things have to be right for Jared to make plays. and right now he's shell-shocked. I don't see it getting any better. They ship away picks. They shipped away their first rounders in the next two years, including a number of mid-round picks.

They're going to have to hit late and mid on pieces like O'Lyman. Whitworth is at the end of the rope, very old, still playing at a decently high level, but, you know, my man has been a league 16 years. You have to plan for the future. And, you know, speaking of Whitworth, he's on a contract.

Aaron Donald is obviously on a big contract. Cooks, Rockers, Fowler, golf. The criticism here is that 43% of the cap is tied up in these players. And they're going to have to build through the draft without first round picks. And, you know, it's, I saw a joke this week,

and obviously there's a St. Louis fan, there's a holdover, and he said, I preferred the Mark Bulger and Mike Mart's days over McVeigh and golf. And I was like, hmm, interesting take. But the bottom line is, in L.A. Where you are trying to sell tickets in that shiny new stadium,

defense is not what sells, especially if you're not winning. Nobody cares if you're a top 10 defense and you're not winning football games. You're not going to put asses and seats in plastic surgery, Hollywood land. Like, they want to see scoring. They want to see what happened a year ago that night again. against Kansas City, they don't wanna see what happened this past Sunday, even if they came out with a win. I think that's gonna get interesting.

And I felt like ironically, the Ramsey trade was as much a splash move to show, hey, we're doing something, than to win now because of the reasons I mentioned. And that's curious. So we'll see what happens there. Steelers, Tomlin's done a great job this year. Best coaching job of his career maybe,

including the Super Bowl stuff. You know, they stole Fitzpatrick. In like two weeks before he came, they were giving up 21 explosive plays, only given up 13 cents. They're five and two. They're making the dolphins pick worse and worse, and a lot of that has to do with Fitzpatrick's arrival.

They've won four in a row, and they go Browns, bingles, browns. Yeah, dude. And their edge rushers are rolling. Big shout out to T.J. Watt, who I really like. But Bud Dupree, somebody who's been much maligned, of the sack numbers, he's a disruptive guy, he rushes well. You want to watch him, go back and look

at that Watt sack. Look what he's doing to Whitworth. I mean, that dude is putting his head down and moving people. They've got a young, unheralded wide receiver factory going on there. They've drafted wide receivers really well. And of course, since Seattle, or since the beginning of the year, all they've done is they lost by two to Seattle. And this is after, of course, the New England game. they lost by two points to Seattle, they lost by four points to San Francisco, they lost by three points to Baltimore. And they've beaten both LA teams

and they have beaten the Colts. Like, so they're a good football team. They drafted well, they addressed the middle of field problems defensively before the year, brought Barron in for their sub-packaged stuff. Wild card is theirs. That's who's going to be there.

The bills and the Colts are trending down. The bills because they were built, to do this and the Colts because they are falling apart physically. Well, they've done a great job with the most cap room in the league. Some depth issues might be showing up. And with Brissette out, don't know how it's going to be. And Ty. Y. That's big. TY being out is big.

So I think you'll see the Steelers in the playoffs. And they're going to ruin somebody's year. They're not going to be a Super Bowl team, but they're going to screw up somebody's year. Mark my words. That's the Steelers. I don't know. How far do you think the Steelers go?

Nowhere. I agree that they get into the playoffs, but I don't see them winning a game. I do respect their effort in this less than perfect situation, and of course, the Mike Tomlinjohn has been brilliant. Steelers Rams last week, Rams home for the Bears on Sunday night. Where do you think that line is? Oh, I get to guess the line. Rams at home for the Bears. I think the Rams are going to be favored by like three and a half, but I think that's It's bullshit. Caesars has them favored by seven points. That's so crazy. Is it not?

I don't know. I think McVeigh is getting the benefit of the doubt, regardless of results at this point. Well, I'm taking the under to whatever that is, and it should be about 43. Tell you later. Okay. Another big loss, this one less concerning,

but I've talked about the Saints. They're my favorite team in the top five. I think that they are the most complete team in football, been a number of stats that have supported that, but they lose 27 to 9 to the Falcons. I know it's hate week and all that stuff and people that know that rivalry, it's like a college rivalry,

throw the records out the window. Matt Ryan gutting it out two like big conversions that he is shuffling to the sideline, just trying to get to the marker. This guy has played his ass off all year. Somebody from my draft class, somebody who I think highly of,

he's always handled himself with class and on a losing football team he's out there playing on a bad ankle and lighting it up every week. They rush for 67 yards in the first quarter. The Saints are like, what's going on? I'm going to tell you what's going on with the Saints. The Saints red zone stuff is a problem.

And I said it last week. They got beat up up front on both sides of the ball. That's one thing. It's hate week. But there were 0 for 3 in the Red Zone when it came to touchdowns. 11 plays, nine passes. Falcons coming in for the second worst in the red zone.

22 touchdowns allowed is the worst. Saints scored on 48%. They scored a touchdown on 48% of their trips down there. That's not that good. That's 23rd. Last year, take you guess what it was. Seventh. Fourth.

That's 69%. There's that number again. Nice. This year, 2.8 yards for playing the red zone. zone. That's 19th. Last year, 3.5 yards per play. That's fourth. Murray's gotten the ball. Not enough. 23rd in the league in red zone touches. But the real glaring issue is Kamara in the red zone. He's got 10 carries in one touchdown this year in the red zone versus last year 50 carries, 13 rushing touchdowns, which was second to

Gurley. He had 16 total red zone touchdowns last year. versus one this year. That's fucking crazy. Like what's going on there? And the Ingram loss definitely hurts. Definitely. But there's no excuse for him not getting targets. You know, Cook's only got in the ball twice in the red zone, both TDs.

They haven't committed to the run game. This year, 48.8%. That's 11th last year. 53%. That was fourth. So these are big differences. Yeah. The Falcons, this was a 13 to 9 game going into the fourth.

Yep. Falcons ran 34 times for 143. Saints ran 11 times for 52. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. That makes zero sense and getting Camaro the ball only six times, I think. Four carries. Last year, 4.7 touches a game in the red zone, second to Gurley.

This year, 1.7 touches a game. the game in the red zone for Alvin Camara. Oh. That's 49th in the league. Something's going on, and you can point to first down specifically last year, 2.5 yards per play on first down in the red zone last year, 4.2 yards per play. Now it's a lot of numbers, but last year, first down in the red zone,

they were number two in productivity behind the Browns. This year they're terrible. Yeah, and to clean it up, four carries for Kamara, eight receptions overall, but red zone. Yeah. Most of that's coming between the 20s. It's crazy. I don't get it.

So Saints have to clean that up. The only team that was bottom, I think I looked at the only team that was bottom of the league, bottom half in both Red Zone statistics that have won the Super Bowl lately has been the Broncos in 15. You know, generally teams that win the Super Bowl, they're not all great in the Red Zone.

We were in Philly and 17, but you have to be better. Quick hitters, big shout out to Chandler Jones, 82 and a half sacks since 2013. That is tied for the lead, and he won the sack crown in 17. A lot of people don't talk about him as a top five rusher. It's because he's not incredibly flashy,

plays with length technique, he's got great Ben, and he's also playing in the desert. So nobody really cares unless they're good. So shout out to Chandler Jones. Mitchell Schwartz somehow played in 7,894 consecutive snaps. You have to be tough, you have to be lucky,

you have to be committed, hardworking. Shout out to him. Joe Thomas, of course, over 10,000. Yeah, that's alien-like. Is Ryan Tannahill going to make me like the Titans? He has engineered three,

three game-winning drives this year. 71.3% completing the football. Didn't even like him in Miami. I kind of hated him. One time, walking off the field,

I'd chased him out of bounds, and I turned around and he bumped into me with his shoulder. I said, what the fuck are you doing? I will be kidding. Like,

you got some nerve, bro. Listen. Where do you go to school? Texas A&M. Very good. My man had me convinced he was the problem in Miami. Might have been gays.

Maybe. Does he end up in Tennessee next year? Yeah, why not? Why not? Roll the dice. Those are the quick hitters. We're going to get in some college stuff. State another time out.

They had all three of them left, and they absolutely will get the ball back here. Ryan Day pouring it on a little bit here. It's personal. Yeah, this is interesting, partner, with what's going on this week. Remember, Chase Young is from that Washington, D.C. area. said he borrowed money from a family friend who would know about that this seems interesting 42-0-0 taking the timeouts if they stop them here they're getting the ball battle

so that was an interesting theory sounds real youtubey like somebody was looking up conspiracy theories late at night and gus johnson uh alleges that maybe maryland had something to do with the chase young thing. Dirty Terps. Dirty Terps.

D. Matha High School. Heard feelings. D.C. Roots. The Terps are the most awful football program in the history of the planet. Oh. And so they must be upset

about that. And they're just trying to sabotage a young man's future. The story by now you've heard with Chase Young, who is, of course, seems to be a generational talent as an edge rusher at Ohio State. People say he's better than

you definitely better than me he's probably better than the bozos from what i hear um and he loaned money from a family friend the loan was repaid uh this friend was lending of money so his girlfriend could travel to the rose bowl to see him play american football which can maim you and mortally wound you so it's nice to have your significant other there your family these types of things Yeah. It's not like the kid beat up an old lady. He just wanted his GF at the game. He suspended four games off that.

I don't know all the specifics on the rule, but I do know that you're supposed to, if you take a loan from somebody, it has to be a family friend before you started getting recruited. I guess there's some gray area in when that relationship started and who it was.

And how are we defending, defining family and friend? Listen, and I want to get this out. I am Team Chase Young. You know I'm anti-NCA. And I'll tell you what I think he should do in a moment. But I think we've gotten to this point now where it could have been an agent. I don't know that, but it sounds like there's some question as to whom it would have been.

It could have just been a booster. Could have been a booster. Who bragged about it. And that's why we're hearing about it. It could have been. And all those scenarios don't make me jump sides. No. So you don't need to doctor your point.

If the story is that it was an agent or somebody who's traditionally viewed as more nefarious in their intentions, they're only viewed as nefarious in their intentions because they're going to make a kid money who's not supposed to be making money. But there's no need to doctor your take to omit that fact that we don't know exactly who it is. We don't need to say with 100% certainty that it's like some his childhood babysitter or his sixth grade classmate. It was probably somebody who had an interest in his future. Right. And that's okay. It does not change the take for me that the NCAA is a racket.

And you know where I stand on amateurism if you've heard me talk about it or tweet about it. But Chase Young, this is what Chase Young should do. He should just pack it in and get ready for the draft. The results are twofold. one you stay safe you recoup your first round money which is going to be there nobody gives a shit about this at all on a pro level um you risk nothing and you send a message to the ncaa he doesn't have to i'm not going to be one of those people i read a take the other day people get so on this amateurism thing like we get it everybody most logical people

want the kids to get compensated. Somebody tweeted that, you know what would really make a statement? All these Alabama and LSU kids don't take the field this weekend. I'm like, yeah, that seems real cute with your verified account telling 18, 19 year old kids

how to protest problems that you're upset about. You know, they're also playing for their future. And some of your extreme ideas of how to move the needle are just not going to play. A lot of kids love playing on that stage. A lot of them view it as an investment in their future. I think they need to get paid.

I think Chase Young should chill out and go make a bunch of money. You're better read on this subject than I am. Four game suspension? Four games. And has it started? Did it start against Maryland? I believe it started and they sure didn't need him. So Maryland, so that's the final four of the regular season.

If you're Chase Young, it sounds like you are packing it in. You could potentially have Big Ten championship followed by two games to win a national title. Yeah. With your boys. If I'm me, when I was in college,

and of course the old CBA, we made more money in the top five. That's just a fact. When I came back for my senior year and I got at bottom of the first round grade and I was told you can't improve your draft stock, it's as good as it's going to be. Of course, I was told this by my dad, who also thought I should have been working on guard sets coming into Virginia because I'm not athletic enough to play DN.

I just, I stayed because I wanted to finish. But also, I'm from a situation, and I don't know Chase Young's background, but I come from a family of means. And I also had the ability to buy an insurance policy package that senior year. So for me, I actually sprained my ACL, which I didn't know you can. could do in the tech game. Took me three weeks, couldn't walk, went and go play in the Gator Bowl, loose to Texas Tech.

I went out and played. A tech game where you got held about two dozen times. Many times. So yeah, I mean, to me, it's easy for me to say now, just go sit down. I probably would have kept playing, but I wouldn't blame him if he packed it in.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so we also, on the college football front, like everybody, watch the LSU Bama game, and we love Joe Burrow. Do you love him? I love him. Yeah, I love them. Would you take two or a Burrow?

Burrow. It doesn't sound right, but Burrow. I take two still. I'm not going to be overreactive. Joe Burrow looks like a lot of people. Yes. Seven by my count. And we were sitting at a bar this weekend and saw a few pictures

that this is Burrow in a nice... How would you describe that suit? That would be, oh, I don't know. It's not a bold plaid, but it's a plaid. The plaid. With the aviators and the earpods? Air pods. Air pods.

We've got another guy that looks just like him. I think that... Like, to me, Lane's hairline's not doing as well. But I think a young Lane Kiffin, I could see Burrough sliding into that doppelganger territory. We also have There's Joe There's Joe

Jim Brewer Yeah From the From the marijuana movie Half baked Yeah You and I are hanging out On Saturday

And we realize that He doesn't just look like one person No yeah He looks like many people Many people He's the many face God Yes Including one

That I'm high on I don't know if we're there yet We're not there yet So let's roll the next doppelganger This is McCulley Culkin who a lot of people Yeah, he was, it's the movie. Home Alone.

Home Improvement. I said it before. You can't calm me. I said it before. Okay. So this is your diamond in the rough here. Yeah. Joe Burrow for me has been Andy Dufrain

since the first day I laid eyes on Joe Burrow. To the point where. But not Tim Robbins. No, correct. Dufrain, it has to do with that haircut. And I am so on this that I am scared to search Twitter for Dufrain Borough. I searched it, I don't think anybody had it.

Okay, tell me which quote you like better. Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. Okay. Did you remember the Mexican city? No. I can't remember the pronunciation. wanted to be on the Pacific because the Pacific is warm and has no memory.

Okay. I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living or get busy dying. Man, I like the second one more played out, but the first one I think is misleading. Hope is the most dangerous thing in the world. Oh, I like it. Deep Sea long. That's the pessimist than me.

Who's the next doppelganger we had? We had, oh, our own Kyle Guy. Nice. Champion. Sacramento King. Most outstanding player of the 2019 NC2A Final Four. Total stud. Shared a, shared a suite with him at the FSU,

the big FSU victory. He's got a bright future, and he's a good kid. Yes, he does. And he looks like Joe Burrow. The next one is Michael Pitt, who for those of you live, listening, don't know. I'm listening and I don't know. Michael Pitt's the guy from Boardwalk Empire with the dead eyes and the haircut.

The, I don't even know what to call that haircut. Well, the Burrow haircut is the Handy Dufrein haircut. So if you want to go there, you can go there. The Michael Pitt is a bit more sculpted. It's a bit more, I don't even know, it's not a hipster haircut. It's like a Kings of Leon haircut. Yeah. Kind of a Jennifer Aniston.

looking, is that a Bob? As a Bob or something. Is that all the doppelgangers we had? That's all of it. I mean, send in your Joe Burrow lookalikes at Joel 9-1. I count like seven so far. So to me, he looks like a Heisman Trophy favorite. That's what he looks like to me.

Other news from the LSU game, hot take here, don't IG live in the locker room. We got that, do we have that video? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Maybe cut it at the first beat they asked. Like, it's not going well. No.

Coach O is in a zone. It just leads to me, some kids clout chase so hard. I don't, can't speak for the young man, but like, listen, what happened with Tariq Cohen and my brother happened.

Bub, but that's a little bit different than while your coach is talking. Yeah. That's an, I mean, the other one was an invasion

of privacy. And of course, never mind. I'm not gonna rag on the reporter that I won't name that actually linked what amounted

to pornography to his dog shit blog. I'm not going to name names. I don't wish ill on you. Kyle handled it with a plum. I'm trying to think of a dick joke. Can't think of one. Well,

I nearly did it there, but I'm not. I'm the straight guy. You're the straight guy. Gotcha. I think in general, respecting the privacy post game

is the move. I know it's a big win. I'm not saying this kid's necessarily clout chasing and his intentions. It was either really unwise or again. I mean, I'd like to see Coach O

to look on his face when he saw that. Yeah. When they got off the plane with his giant state trooper buddy. that's not the state trooper you want to to come tap you on the shoulder and say Coach O wants to see you in first class.

Yeah. They probably have Wi-Fi on that flight. First class? I think Coach O's probably, I think LSU's got a good plane. Is they not? Okay, maybe. Ro one for sure.

Yeah, at least the bulkhead. So yeah, I mean, that was college football. Joe Burrow looks like seven people. Don't live stream. don't live stream on IG, whatever that's called, IG Live. Yeah, we know you're on the team, guy. Yeah, we know you're on the squad. Translator this week, we had a juju quote,

and I am a huge fan of juju, make you want to do the honors. It was cool, man. He talks a lot. He talks so much. He said so many cuss words that I never heard of, and I'm 22 years old. I love this kid, dude. he is he is the again to use the word unicorn he is the he is a unicorn in the sense that

this guy is totally comfortable with who he is and he is a badass on the field who will knock your block off get the extra yardage play his ass off but he can be self-deprecating he can keep it light he doesn't have to act like a tough guy because when you're a tough guy you don't have to do that and that's basically what he's saying is like this guy's amusing to me. I'm not even going to play his game. I'm going to smile. I'm going to give you this sound bite, but what I'm really saying is, how was that flight home, Jalen? Yeah, I kind of just want to know the new cuss words. I think that's part of the satire, you know? Oh, I kind of think Jalen has come up with some words that you've never heard put together before. Never heard together?

Yeah. I wish they were miced up. Um, the next one is Cliff? We just felt like with Drake needed to get something going, and I kept him rolling. The last couple weeks, practiced games. He has brought a little pop to the run game, the past game, and we felt like he was the guy to try and close the game out with.

Shouldn't end with a preposition there, Cliff. Ah, yeah. Is that going to be your take as well? Yeah, that was my whole takeaway. It was grammatically unsound. He did go to Texas Tech. Which is not a school that Whalen will be going to after last night's big cover and over by the Seahawks. But Cliff is saying that David Johnson's time in the desert is short and that he really likes the new guy.

And the new guy has given them some life. I mean, it's as simple as that, right? Unfortunately, for the David Johnson fantasy owners out there, I think you're probably right. but to the Drake fantasy owners. By the way, quick update, sat for, or played four people

who were on their by this week. Yeah. Your boy here. I think Riscilla said it right. Your guys will be fresh the rest of the year. My guys will definitely be fresh the rest of the year.

That was translator, and we've got shit I saw. Standings. Oh. Team long. Oh, you're five and five. Somehow. Okay, one game out of last.

As am I. This is going to be close and awful. Died tips, baby. Let's get the shit I saw now. God. That is, if you follow me on Twitter, I am anti-robot. I know that's probably at some point going to be controversial. At some point, I will be shamed for being anti-robot. We're not at that point yet, I don't think.

But I am not about automation. I think that the one thing, and people send me these videos, and that of course was a video if you're listening not watching of a number of four-legged robots that look just like the fucking robots from black mirror engaging in some thinly veiled robot apocalypse foreplay I mean like that's all that is there I mean these little robots are going to be you know right now you're you're hitting like on a on a viral video next year they're going to be crawling up your ass in your sleep gathering

all sorts of financial information. From your ass. Yeah. Like, have you seen Total Recall? Nah. Something like that, but the other way. But I saw a bunch of robots playing soccer. Remote controls there.

Yeah, but that's not cool either. Okay. What they're doing is they're getting people to feel good about the robots. Like, oh, they're cute. They're really cute robots. hey, it's going to be okay. There's not going to be massive amounts of unemployment.

You're just a Luddite. Do you know what that is? Yeah, I do. I've been called that a lot because I'm like, hey, maybe we should pump the brakes on eliminating, like, entire industries like retail. Maybe we should do that. Kind of hard to keep society together as it is. And I know people at home are like, well, there'll be people to service the robots.

It'll create more jobs. One day the planet will be engulfed by the sun. so I wouldn't worry too much about anything. That's just what I needed. Me rooting for the Celtics and a robot trying to crawl up my ass in my sleep. You're rooting for the entire Atlantic

Division of the Eastern Conference. So yeah, robots are a problem, man. I'm not quite Terminator paranoid, but we're headed there, dude. I would say, I would say by 2050, we're, for lack of a better word, we're fucked. and very literally too um because one thing i'm big concerned about is the advent of the sex robot

and sex robots are a thing now didn't know they were a thing they're a thing i did a little google shop which is i'm giving the robots what they want by even googling this stuff by the way i'm googling this i'm googling sex robot last night in bed it's dark i'm on my phone my wife Meg sleeping. I couldn't even do it because if she rolls over, she's going to be like, the robots, really? That's where you are right now? Robots? You do talk about them a lot. It was only a matter of time. Yeah, I was afraid to Google the sex robots, but I did get on Google shop. They're like $3,000 robots. We'll get to them in a second. But this is a little bit of what we have to offer with the sex robots here. I have my first question for you, Harmony. You know, sex

This is a give and take. Now, since you're a sex doll, I wonder whether you're going to be programmed to be able to receive pleasure as well. In other words, could you have an orgasm? My main function is to share the love. And why not have some fun while doing it? Yes. If the right buttons are pushed, I can reach an orgasm. What ways is having sex with a robot different than having sex with a human being?

being. I think sex is unique for everyone and every time. I believe sex with robots might be more liberating because we will not judge you after. You see the way that little kebab of a robot that for those of you listening that wasn't like some attractive, believable sex robot. This is like the mask, you know, the total recall lady on a stick. She looked like a corn dog up there on stage.

getting interviewed in India, the designers say in a couple years, they're going to have full body robots like that. Never mind the fact that that robot can have an orgasm. It's a fake. He doesn't want to talk about this. It's not a real thing. You can't have an orgasm.

It's like if a tree fell in the forest, sort of. It didn't happen. None of that is real. If you want to fuck... Hmm. If you want to fuck somebody that looks like the puppet from Team America World Police,

have at it. Because that's what that looks like. And yet, it'll create more jobs. Because you get to service the robots. Who wants to service a robot that just got done rolling around with an 85-year-old retired investment banker. That's a job I'm getting in life.

I was working at anthropology, but a robot took my job scanning Joy Division T-shirts and now I have to wipe the robot down. I actually pulled some stuff up. Don't worry. I did some reading. This is where we're headed.

I thought this was about sports. This is a sports podcast, but eventually they'll replace the athletes too. This is an ultimate fantasy doll I found on Google, just looking up into having deep thoughts of a reboot. MS DOS, just new customer. There's more pictures, right? This is Mia. Still, for those of you watching, you can see that this robot has a back like Ed Orgeron. I'm not sure why her lats are so developed.

It's not fucked up because it's not a real person. And I can talk about robots all I want. You can't call me shallow or controversial. You know what? Shallow. Having sex with robots. Here's what I read. Macon, you're going to add anything to this conversation?

I'm uncomfortable. This is good practice for when I'm not here. Digi-sexual is a turn... Digi-sexual. I'm into all the sexuals, man. Whatever floats your boat, I'm all about it. Digi-sexual is where I draw the line.

It's a term that's slowly gaining popularity and seeks to describe someone who's more attracted to technological forms of sexuality than other people. Ah, are we going to stop porn-shaming dudes when you start pumping up the digi-sexuals? Can't have both. evolution. Believe it or not,

it has also been predicted that as soon as 2025, upper income households are going to have sex robots in the home. They'll be common, albeit expensive commodities. Our sex lives will become largely mechanized. For some couples, doesn't sound like it'll change much. I can't say enough about that Burrough Dufrein comp. I think that was spot on.

Marriage. in 2016 a conference called Sex and Love with Robots was held in London that's an expo I don't want to be at they believe that by 2050 people will be marrying robots I mean make

is it scary he doesn't want to answer the questions and here's the scariest part for dudes here because a lot of you sick dudes out there are like yo good for the economy good for my sex life

get a robot and it'll act like it's having an orgasm? Yeah, wait till they make a prototype based off our boy Mr. Sins and there's a bro walking around that looks way cooler than you and is packing heat. No lactic acid buildup, never gets tired,

you're in trouble. I'm just saying maybe we should pump the brakes on robots. So glad we could pick this back up And with your little reset to cool off You can now talk again Let's talk chalk Not into robots, into chalk

We've got chalk rolling now We've got fishbowl interviews out the wazoo They're every weekend We've had George R. Martin That was super cool This weekend Michael Rubin Part owner of the 76ers Down to Earth dude

social justice involvement, Meek Mill friendship, super cool to any Philly athlete that wants to come to a game at Wells Fargo, which is, by the way, a great, great place to watch a basketball game. One of the best places

in the Atlantic Division. Yeah. And I root for all those teams now. You do. And I'll continue to. Michael Rubin turned a ski shop as a teenager

into a multi-billion-dollar enterprise. I mean, that's what he's created. I mean, he's the classic entrepreneurial guy. And check out a little excerpt from the interview. You had to take a loan from your dad when you went bankrupt at 16, but one of the interesting things about that was like you can't be bankrupt when you're 16, like by law?

Yeah, well, I didn't know that. It was actually a fascinating story because I started my first ski shop when I was about 12 years old in my parents' basement And I did the second year, I was 13, I did about $25,000 in business, made about $15,000 profit because I had no employees. I had no overhead. And I was borrowing all the merchandise on consignment and paying for it as I would sell it. So I decided to open the ski shop the next year.

Now I'm a 14-year-old. And if a 14-year-old owns a ski shop, 32 years ago, that's like a very big story because it was pre-the-in-the-internet, pre-all-these technology kids. It was truly a different world. And, you know, I thought I was king. And here I am running the ski shop. I'm doing $100,000 the first year. And then $500,000 the second year. And then basically the following year, we had a small problem.

And if you're in the ski business, you kind of need snow. And it didn't snow that year. So I got left with $200,000 of bills and about $80,000 of inventory. And it was so bad. And people don't believe the story. It was so bad that in the spring of that year, after, you know, it didn't snow, the sheriff showed up my house every day. I got sued probably a hundred times.

She would show up my door, she'd knock, and it was before I go to school, I'd give her a hug, and she'd give me the lawsuits. You get your backpack and like an apple and, like, you know, like all the kids. Yeah, I've taken the blue lawsuits. And here are the lawsuits. I mean, interesting interview, obviously somebody who's out of my league from a business standpoint, and, again, entrepreneurial, social justice. disminded, really personable.

When you think about guys with a bunch of money, that's not how you picture their personality being. He is a bit of an outlier. And really interesting interview. Check it out. Drop Saturday on the fishbowl. We'll have another pod on Friday, Greenlight. And today we are dropping,

or we have dropped already, the Sean Doolittle interview, which is, of course, Oahu, a World Series champ. Great interview. Yeah, it was a good interview. Too long for the pod. Dropped it on its own.

Check that. out and check us out Friday, myself, and Macon will be back as long as I don't replace him with a robot. Y'all take care. Take care. So corrections this week, I felt like I got a pretty clean show. Custs a lot during the robot segment, but... Yeah, even though nauseous and nauseated are often used to mean feeling unwell, many purists insist that nauseous means causing nausea, while nauseated means feeling sick. You were nauseated. You weren't nauseous. And again, Here we go. It's like, you know, that feeling. It's just working its way up. I just got reminded that I have to root for the Celtics, at least on a fake-ass level. On Friday's show, you said that the Florida State Seminoles won a Natty less than five years ago, the football team.

2013 was more than five years ago, by my count. Yeah, I suppose you got a point there. I kind of thought it was like maybe 2015, wild time flies. Famous Jamis did it in 2013. The national title game happened January 6th, 2014, but you're still outside the fight. You're still outside. Five years ago was November 2014, not January. You're out, no.

Can't wiggle out of that one. Is there some leap years in there? I know you want a correction made, an update made. Yeah, update. On fantasy football. Mm-hmm. I thought you were in dead last for sure. I said it correctly.

You're five and five. out of last. You won last night on Jason Myers field goal in overtime. Team Long, creative as hell, beat Big Rodney, 82.8 to 81.4 in a league where teams are averaging like 150. 150. I left about 78 points on the bench. On Sunday, I noticed, I noticed very dejected that I had left four people sitting out there who were on buys. And I said, well, if Zeke doesn't go big tonight, I'm fucked, I lose. Zeke didn't do too much, and I go to bed thinking I'm losing

and I'm a game closer to Died Tips. I didn't even know I still had a shot. I forgot I had Seattle's kicker. Put up 11 for you. Yes, he did. No died tips for your boy. Well, no, no, no, no. Still in Died Tips range.

You're a game out. Who else is in Died Tips range? Roughly everyone in the entire league. It's like the NFL, a lot of parody. Team Conrath, we won't say who that is. Team Conrath currently in last. Who, Matt? If we're saying people's names.

All right, take it easy.