Green Light with Chris Long - New 76er Danny Green on Philly, Playing with LeBron, Kawhi & Timmy, and Life in the Bubble. Chris on NFL "Cramps."

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

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But it is awkward now being on the other side of it now in this locker room with these. Because I almost said I forgot about it, but it's very fresh in your mind when you come to this organization and you're in locker home with these guys. And I'm like, you're going to be some of the bitches beat us with that. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm sorry. You know, I kind of feel bad. And then when I was in Toronto, I was like, yeah, hell yeah. We want. We're supposed to win.

And here it's like, damn. Yeah, we're like, we're glad you least want it because if you guys would have lost. It would have felt really bad losing to you guys. Happy Wednesday, everybody. This is Greenlight Pod. I'm your host, Chris Long. I told you we had an NBA star on who claims he's not an NBA star for the record because we did the interview last night.

It's Danny Green. Danny Green, new Philadelphia 76er, three-time NBA champion. He's gotten a chance to hoist the trophy three different places. He's like, uh, my, Myself and Ligarrett Blunt on steroids, okay? Like, he's just everywhere he's gone, he's had an opportunity to win, and he's played a big role in those teams winning.

I mean, I remember the big shots he would knock down in San Antonio, and then he pops up in Toronto, and you're like, there's something about this guy. Maybe it's because he's traveling with Kauai Leonard. And then the Lakers year, even with the shot, at the end of the finals that he missed. He just seems to be kind of like an unflappable guy when it comes to pulling the trigger in situations like that.

And I really respect that. It's one of the most terrifying things in the world to me as an athlete who my job was to grind and my job was to throw 150 punches. And when I land three of them, I've got myself maybe a career game. I mean, like, I was talking about this with Hassan Reddick. You work your whole life waiting to have a multi-sac game. Very few people in the NFL get to have a multi-sac game

because it's a game of chance, and you might not have the pieces around you with coverage. You could have a great rush. The ball's gone. It's such a number that you can influence, but you can't really influence sometimes. And so most people only see the few plays that you, the few big plays that you make,

people aren't focused in on what happens to a defensive end every down in and down out. Now, it's a tough position and it's a difficult position. It takes a lot of scale to rush the passer and play the run in the NFL. But nothing like being the guy that gets the ball in the big situation and has to take a three, which a hand in your face is one thing, but the uncontested ones. trip me out the most. I just, in football as a defensive line, I mean, you are very rarely in a situation where everybody's eyes are on you from the snap to the conclusion of the play. And, you know, mostly when people see you, it's because you just, you've already done something big.

And now they've, they've caught you because you're at the ball. Somebody who's taking a shot like that, it just takes, it's, it's a different sport, man. It's a different, It's a different mindset entirely. And the psychology of being the guy that hits and misses big shots is something that's wild to me. It's why I respect guys like Danny Green. So really fun to talk to him. We're going to talk about championships, parades, the different places he's played,

what it's like to play under Pop, who drank the most beer at the parades. The parades come up a lot. And just kind of what his outlook on Philly is and how excited he's. is to play in Philly what his thoughts are about the city. But for the people out there who aren't Philly homers, and I know there are a lot of y'all, and you guys are very vocal sometimes, this is not just a Philly pot. So stick around.

If you're interested in hearing about some of the greatest players of all time and a guy that knows them very well, and Danny Green with Tim Duncan or LeBron James, you know, what it takes to win a championship in the NBA, and the psychology of the bubble last year, being in Disney for three plus months is insane to me. So interesting guests. Also, Danny Green knows more about Disney World than 99.9% of human beings. Like, who's spent more time in Disney World? Seriously, outside of Disney employees, if there's anybody who's spent more

nights sleeping at Disney World, put them on America's Most Wanted list than like Danny Green or the guys in the bubble. The Los Angeles Lakers, were there for like three plus months. That's insane to me, dude. They never left the guard booth. They woke up every day and walked through the same lobby in some empty-ass resort for three months. That's how I imagine it.

I'm sure actually, because it's Florida. There were probably people there in the other areas of Disney World. But we are running a contest right now, as you all know, where one lucky winner and a significant other will be headed down to Disney. Disney World. It's warm down there. Me and Macon did the weather last week. We checked our apps and it says it's like 70 and overcast in the morning. Sun burns that marine layer off by the afternoon. It'll be beautiful down there. All you have to do is guess the musical artist that will be featured on our new intro to the pod. Friday, you'll have a lot more clarity. We're dropping a big hint or two

about this artist. So tune in Friday and you could be headed south unless you're a Floridian and you might just be hit 995 and driving up to Orlando. Yeah. So check it out Friday. As for a quick reminder for dudes here, it's the middle of December. Check it out. Look at your calendar. Christmas is coming, right? Get on your shit, dude. Because you know, like before you know it, Snowstorms, novel coronavirus, lots of variables this year. A lot of people, Amazoning shit. I mean, there's going to be a little bit of blockage here when it comes to you overnighting the blouse from Zara or the anthropology bracelet.

You know, get it going. It's fucking December 15th. Don't wait any longer. I'm trying to help you here. I know there's some dudes out here. Get it going. It doesn't matter that there's nowhere to go in these nice clothes that you're buying right now for your significant others. It doesn't matter.

Just fucking buy the clothes, buy the shoes. Listen, I love shopping for my wife for Christmas. I am probably a top three percentile shopper on Christmas. She would tell you that. And yeah, my cart's full of cool clothes and stuff like that. Wife Alert. Just checking to see if you're listening, Meg. Yeah, there's some clothes in my in my shop-bop cart right now.

And I know there's nowhere to go in these clothes. We got to shop anyways, dudes. They're shopping for us. Return the favorites about the gesture this Christmas. Yeah, get on it. Hey, NFL, Ravens, Browns. That game was crazy. I'm not even going to lie.

I didn't see most of it. until today when I ran back through some of it. But Monday night, I decided to go to Tenet. And I decided to just ignore football for a night because honestly, this season, you thought it was long when you played. It's like longer now. Anyways, my lovely wife and I went to Tenet. That's right.

Went to Tenet. A lot of movie theaters are opening up right now and running out, you know, single theater rooms for one party. You just got to pay a little more money. money. Great experience. Great theater. If you know me, you know I love movie theaters. I am like the sentiment I feel right now is like don't fuck with movie theaters, COVID. Like don't fuck with them. Like I feel I feel like it's like a paternal instinct. I love them so much. I don't want them to go anywhere. I know I'm probably, you know, going to be disappointed over the next year or so reading the tea

leaves. But I love movie theater. So my wife and I went. and concessions are open. Holy shit, I've been eating Skinny Pop for six months. There's just, it's not the same, dude. It's not the same. I ate an entire thing of pasta. I did eat an entire thing of pasta, which I brought in from outside. But, I mean, right now, can they really be upset with me?

I won't do it next time. Yeah, I had a whole thing of pasta and a whole thing of popcorn as well. and a Sprite and half a thing of milk does. And I went to see Tenet, and it's really hard to focus watching Tenet when you're trying to eat all that movie theater food that you haven't had in six months. Okay, my dad hit me up and told me the movie is awesome. John David Washington's in it.

Obviously, people know John David because his dad's Denzel. He's also former St. Louis Ram. and Stephen Jackson just telling me how cool he was, man, and like what an awesome dude he was. So I'm pulling for him. I've always kind of kept an eye out for what he's doing. And I was like, man, he got a big role. Let me go check this out. So I FaceTime my dad to ask him, you know, how was tenant?

He's like, Chris, it's unbelievable. But you really have to focus. And I was like, okay, dad, please, dude. Like, sure. I will focus in on this movie so easily. I'll be checking text. I'll be scrolling Twitter. Not that I do that during movies,

but if I had to, I can usually keep up with movies pretty good. Okay, not a spoiler per se, because I'm not going to give you any of the plot. And anybody you asked about this movie would tell you this. But so if you're like one of those spoiler alert police officers out there, like I'll tweet something about Casablanca,

and somebody will be like, spoilers man like some fucking guy it's like 80 years old it's like still haven't seen that shit people do that shit with like a series that has been over for five to seven years everybody knows what happens at the end of the sopranos right everybody knows what happens to omar and the wire at this point you got to just get on it if you've heard about it go see it or you might read about it on twitter one time i remember justin king cornerback from penn state of mine, same draft class. We were in the locker room in St. Louis, and I was in a group of dudes, and we were talking about the wire because actually it was the year before I had binged it and had

the time of my life. And, you know, somebody, I guess unbeknownst to me was binging it at the moment. And we were talking about Omar. And I said, holy shit, it was terrible when redacted, redacted, redacted happened to Omar. And Justin King's face went ghost white. He was like three seasons deep. And I think, you know, however many seasons it was before redacted, redacted happened to Omar. He was so angry. I've never felt so bad in my life.

But at the same time, Justin, at the point, you know, we're having the conversation. The wire's been out for five years. So like, come on. spoiler alert tenant is fast-paced um it is essentially a movie about time travel in some capacity i'm still figuring that out y'all will too if you go see it you'll be figuring it out you'll be reddit you'll be reddit superman um frequent flyer on reddit by you know two hours after the movie uh you'll be down some rabbit holes but very entertaining worth seeing it is is about 15 minutes of explosions, extractions, like little missions, firefights.

And then like two minutes of catching a breather with like intense, ominous music that Christopher Nolan's piping in there. It's like literally hurt in my ears. And I'm trying to hear them summarize what just happened and explain the time travel component of what, what occurred the last 15. So you never, you never, ever stop listening. You can't go take a piss. I didn't want to drink my Sprite too loud because some of the people in the movie are Russian and the music is loud. And when the Russian people are explaining time travel, you know, and they've got to compete with the score, it's difficult. It's a chaotic, but extremely entertaining, two and a half hours of fun.

And like I said, John David Washington is in there. And it was just cool. It was good to go to the movies, man. But if you've seen the movie, let me tell you, and I would have done this if the theater was absolutely full, I would have embarrassed the fuck out of my lovely wife. And I walked out of that movie backwards.

I walked all the way past the concession stand backwards. It's the last theater in the hallway that we went to. I walk backwards out of the theater and all the way out the front, almost down the stairs, if I thought I could have walked backwards down the stairs without falling backwards and cracking my head open in a theater. I was like, I was just so blown away by some of the scenes. But also, one of my biggest pet peeves in a movie is when people are screaming at the top of their lungs through like Halo masks during an explosive firefight.

and they can communicate perfectly. Like, my wife and I will be in the kitchen, and if the kids are rolling a toy truck, I can't hear her. But these people can, you know, lay out a mission and call on Audible with the grenade going off right next to their fucking ear, and I can barely hear the plot in the movie theater. It's that kind of movie the whole time. It's like concert level bring earplugs.

It's really entertaining. Definitely check it out. at home, you can work the volume. At the movies, it's, you know, you can't be like, hey, can you turn down a little bit? Especially not when you paid, because you paid for the sound system too now. Man, it was good to be back at the movies. I love the movie theater, man. I love it.

But when I got home, I got to turn on TV. But I didn't even think about the ball game because I'm just, I've told you, I've been kind of burnout. And kind of honestly, some days, not that interested in football. But I had an all game allowed myself not to know what was going on, especially with a primetime game, especially with the game like Baltimore, Cleveland, right? It turned out to be one of the games of the year. But even if it didn't live up to its billing, it was a big game. And I didn't even check the score the entire time it was in the movie. That maybe is how good tenant was to let you know.

But I turned the TV on. It's 42, 42. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? I mean, this is Rams Chiefs vibes. I mean, from 2018 or whatever it was, or 17, you know, that game ketchup and mustard where they went yellow color rush, that ugly ass yellow color rush there that we'd wear in St. Louis. And it never looked as good under the yellow lighting of the Edward Jones dome. At night in the Coliseum, it looked kind of cool, juxtaposed to the Kansas City Chiefs. I'll never forget that night.

That was an entertaining football game. But that was kind of, and for the St. Louis listeners out there, Jim Thomas hit me up. He's writing an article this week. And we were talking about that game because it's coming up five years from today, you know, five years ago was the last game at the Edward Jones Dome. And that was an interesting night. I could do an entire pot on that in and of itself. Pretty surreal moment when you know probably that this is the last ball game in a pro stadium.

and it's eerie because there's barely anybody there, and I respect it, I get it, because the team's moving. But the people that were there that night were so loud. And you could just tell that people were going to miss the Rams. But we wore those ugly-ass yellow uniforms that night, and I'll never forget that night either. Monday night was illuminating for a lot of reasons to me. I'm happy Baker Mayfield is having good nights. I'll say that because he's been a guy that that's charismatic to the point that almost people get annoyed with him because the product hasn't been there at times. And he's never wavered, which should be like, you know, if you like confident people, you like people that exude confidence.

We, when somebody's playing well, if they weren't playing well six months ago, you always compliment the fact that they never changed their mindset. They never changed their attitude. you know, they never, they always were confident no matter what. And that's what great athletes do. They're unflappable. They're the same person. Well, Baker has not seemed to be flappable when it comes to being him. And I think if he has any kind of sustained success here over the next year or so in Cleveland,

it's going to be a fun football team to watch. And he's going to be fun to watch. The guy that everybody was kind of like watching over the last year. year and a half off and on after that terrific rookie season that people were left wanting more and they were left wanting consistency. And sometimes we were annoyed that he was on commercials or, you know, people would take shots at his confidence and, you know, some of the remarks he'd make at the podium. I'll credit him with this.

He's kind of the same guy, winner loose. So if he can start putting it together, Cleveland's going to be fun. And for the Ravens, this was a must win, right? This was a must win football game. And there's just something bizarre about hearing John Harbaugh compliment, you know, a Brown's coach miced up after the football game and saying something like, hopefully we see in the postseason. I don't know if we'll get in.

That's a weird exchange to see between a coach in a Baltimore Ravens hat and a coach, and a coach in a Cleveland Brown's hat. And Kevin Stefansky deserves a ton of credit, man. A ton of credit. And you can tell John Harbaugh, it really respects that football team at this juncture. I mean, the first game of the season now, huge difference, right? Huge difference in how competitive that football game was.

And it felt like a marquee win for Baltimore, right? They've been starving for winning in a big spot. So this team that they absolutely, you know, crushed. the opening week of the season. And people were like, yeah, well, they always beat the Browns. I mean, no big deal. Now this is a marquee win because of the improvement the Browns have shown. So marquee win for Baltimore, adding to, you know, Lamar made two separate

comebacks, I think in the fourth quarter there alone, adding to, you know, his clutch resume because that's been a thing that people have questioned. And on the other side of it, it's funny because it felt like a marquee loss. for Cleveland, right? And Cleveland, I'll give them this. We're past the point of moral victories with the Cleveland Browns. People are over moral victories, but yet still somehow Monday night felt like a moral victory. It's crazy. I don't disagree with feeling good about the way they played because, and I think it's the same thing with the Ravens. On one hand, if you're the Ravens, you're saying, man, what a great game Lamar played. But,

But we just gave up 42 to the Cleveland Browns or whatever it was. It was 40-something, right? 42. Whatever it is ugly. And it's even uglier on the other side defensively because, you know, if you're somebody that plays offense for the Browns right now, you might be walking around a pretty good mood at the facility, but the elephant in the room is the defense just, you know, Baltimore hung 47 on you.

So I think, you know, Baltimore fans are excited because Lamar played well because it was a must win because it was a clutch win. Like I mentioned, they haven't beaten a ton of playoff teams this year. Indianaapolis and two wins against Cleveland. And I think both those teams are good teams. One one of those wins opening week doesn't impress me. This one impresses me more. And for Cleveland, your franchise quarterback made some really big boy throws. And he was great throwing the ball in the run. He was even better than he really has been throwing the ball in the run. And it was a physical football game. A lot of those collisions, some great backs playing in this game. So really fun to run back through it because there were fireworks.

You think skilled players when you think about these two teams in some ways, but it's really about the smash mouth aspect of it because without Kareem Hunt, without Nick Chubb, Cleveland, without the Callahan offensive line, Cleveland's just the, all the other pieces don't scare you. And so, you know, Sendajo down on the goal line, trying to run right through Gus Edwards, I think it was, or was J.K. Dobbins was such a collision, such a collision. And the beginning of the game, it was the backs running the ball in the end zone. And it ended with the quarterbacks making spectacular plays. Yeah, I think the Ravens defense will be better because they're banged up. And I know that Cleveland's going to get a guy or two back, but I don't think that makes you feel

any better about giving up that many points. So as everybody's in a good mood and people are laughing, you know, about Pittsburgh, who just played two games in, you know, a week span, a five-day span and have looked bad offensively, at least you know they're going to play defense. I have questions about these two defenses. Now, the three things about this game that I enjoy thoroughly. Number one, Lamar coming out of the tunnel like Willis Reed. When I first heard it, I was like, okay, he left with cramps. What's the big deal? But then you get online and people are like, no, no, no, he took a shit, Chris. And I'm like, did he?

I mean, like, do the facts really, does it really add up to him taking a shit? In fact, I'm on NFL Next on Amazon. And I'm on there, again, with Kay Adams, James Coe, Andrew Hawkins. And I was just on the show earlier tonight. And we get these stories at the end. It's called Next Question. It's basically a mailbag with video and fans calling. And I had this cute little girl.

She's 10 years old. And she's like, this question is for Chris. And I'm like, oh, good. I love kids. This should be a softball, too. She asked me if I've ever had, quote, cramps with a smile on her face. And I'm like, okay. So we're doing this thing this week where everybody's talking about football players taking dumps.

Like everybody. And looking back of the video, I could tell why people might have doubted that Lamar was cramping because when you hear cramps, you think guy can't run. The footage, I mean, they had like, like footage like hidden up in the ceiling like the real world or something or like big brother. I mean, my man is running in the locker room and you're like, well, here's the angle of him running in the locker room. And this is the urinal cam, Bob. And I, you know, he is taking a little bit while, a little while in the stall, but I don't see purple pants.

You know, like down around is like like people were, it is so crazy to be a professional athlete and to have everybody. in the world wondering if you're taking a shit. And all the while, he might be in there getting an IV. And this is the last thing on his mind that anybody would think he was taking a dump. Generally, though, when players do run off the field like that, they are going to relieve themselves. And it did seem curious that a, you know, franchise quarterback was, but he's an athlete, an athlete's cramp.

You know, it happens. Anyways, the answer to the question today, when that cute little girl asked me basically, I've ever had to go during the game, sure, it's happened, but I just can't remember one. big incident where I was, you know, in pain or had to go back in the locker room in a key situation or something like that, tort all can really mess your stomach up. The anti-inflammatory that I used to take, and a lot of guys take, I take total every Sunday

and tort all would mess your stomach up. But tort all also makes you feel like you can run, jump, do all the functional things that professional athletes should do. So you kind of have to make a choice and sometimes your stomach's going to hurt. I'm not saying that's what happened to Lamar. I actually am not a cramp guy at all. I never really had cramps. I was always, you know, as you guys know, a big hydration guy.

Now, quote unquote cramps, I just mentioned bubble guts sometimes from Torto, but I've never had like emergency key situation, as I said. I have a steel trap. Pretty much anything outside of Tortole, I'm good. Actually, Andrew Hawkins, who's on NFL next as we take a deep dive into number two's in the NFL. Andrew Hawkins said that he did have a GI issue story. He had to catch a two-point conversion and literally ran right into the tunnel, didn't even celebrate that thing forced overtime. So he had to go in there and do his business and run back out on the field. He told a great

story today about it. But it happens, man. And actually, I think Lamar is telling the truth. I think Lamar is telling the truth because at first you're looking at him run into the tunnel and you're saying guys definitely going in there and take a dump. He's running like he's running like he's got fresh legs. He can't be cramping. Okay, I thought the same thing. After the game, Lamar, judging by his reaction alone, I don't think he was in there dumping. Maybe he made a pit stop.

It's quite possibly made a pit stop, but not why he went in there. his cramp was in his arm and when you look back at the video at first i felt like what the fuck is wrong with lamar's arm like why is this fantastic athlete running so stiff up top it's because his arm was cramping makes sense he's a quarterback um and i i believe him but pooping in a stadium like that can be pretty weird and i've had to do it like coming out of the half where I know like I've got three minutes, um, but I got a hurry. That's an unsettling feeling. And in a pack stadium, you can kind of feel the rumble up there. And I'm not even somebody likes to go to the bathroom in a public bathroom. If there's other shoes on the like,

and I look and I see other shoes and I hear people. Oh, I don't like doing that. Yeah. I need my privacy a little bit. Listen, there's nothing private about feeling that rumble up there. and hearing like, you know, stadium music and the like, but the room is eerily quiet. But you can almost like the Jurassic Park thing where you're watching a glass of water. And it's like, like those are the noises you're hearing above you in the concourse, in the stands. And you've got to focus and get it done in three minutes. That's an athletic feat in and of itself.

The only time I've ever actually, and you're like, goddamn, Chris, going on about five, six minutes about, but judging by you sick fucks and your timelines, this is all you want to talk about. So I'm going to unload the clip. Yeah, I ship myself once as an adult on Kilimanjaro, dude, at like 12,000 feet. Actually, it was even lower than that. It was like 9,000. Let me not make some big excuse. Got to Tanzania, you know, probably ate too much of the local fare, drank too much to local water, and get, on the mountain first day, you know, been planning this trip for almost a year, right? And if you get me on a plane 20 hours to go somewhere the way I'm afraid of flying and being away from home and that sort of

thing, I'm doing whatever I came to do. I don't care what I got to do to get there. I'm going to the top of that fucking mountain. And I get food poisoning my first day in there or a stomach bug or something, but it hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm talking weakness, fatigue. I'm talking weakness, fatigue, fever a little bit. I felt like I had. And not to mention, you get sick at Denver, mile high stadium. I'm hiking up a mountain at almost twice that height. Never been this high unless, you know, I was at a ski resort or something as a kid. And kids don't even feel that shit. I got a, I got the bubble guts. And I'm walking down the trail. And I'm like with my group, again, me, James Hall, a couple porters, that sort of thing. And I got to go take a minute on

a rock. And it's this beautiful rock and it's outlook. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It looks out over this gorgeous valley. And it's almost Lion King-esque. And there's giraffes. This is how I imagine it. There were no giraffes, but like, you know, lush valley. You know, you can see for 15 miles and behind me is this snow-capped gorgeous mountain. That's also a lie because I couldn't see the peak from here.

But it was a rock outcropping. Gorgeous view. And I'm away from the group. And I just, I'm like, how my stomach hurts. It hurts so bad if I could just get if I could just push one fart out. If I could just push it out, I could go about my day and climb this mountain. And we make it tonight to the next camp and I'll be good. And don't try too hard in situations like that.

Tried too hard. Ended up having to throw my underwear away and the pants for that matter. I was down a pair of pants. I was glad I packed two. and I spent the rest of the day taking multiple pit stops on the way up. And that was one of the hardest 24 hours of my life. I mean, not just the embarrassment of, you know, being in the tent at night with the porters. And they're all looking at me like, that's the guy who shit himself.

But I promise you that was it, my entire adult life. And I did have to wipe my ass with, like, jungle leaves. Like the big land before time leaves, not like little. So it wasn't. It was actually like if you could, I might opt for that over toilet paper. Jungle leaves, bro. Luckily, we were still in the jungle. At about 11,000 feet, vegetation disappears.

Your boy would have had limited options. I actually have a funnier story about Kelly that I'll save, that has to do with poop, that I'll save for Friday. Okay, you guys let me know if you want to hear this story. I totally forgot about it. It's ridiculous. I also have a story that I'll tell right now. Okay. I'll tell this story right now.

And it just popped in my head. And it's one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my adult life. Killimanjaro related. A lot of poop going on on and around that mountain. Okay. There's a story that I'll say Friday, if you guys care to hear it. Also, there's a story. that is loosely connected with Killi.

After Kilimanjaro, which backtrack one second. The reason I was on Malcolminjaro the first time when that story happened was I was going for fun. Since then, I've gone back, and we brought wounded veterans and athletes over. So we've had MMA fighters. We've had retired football players. We had Connor Barwin when he was active. We had Helodin Nata and Bo Allen, two of the heaviest men. I just book it to ever be at the altitude of 19.

thousand three hundred forty one feet there's no chance that there have been heavier dudes at that altitude prove it i saw him both climb the mountain the same fucking day i had to push halotinata like he was i don't know a ford ranger i was just leaning into him with one arm because he had to get up there to retire and big fella naturally wasn't feeling real good the last little bit so we were all hands on deck trying to get him up there and they took him down the mountain on a cot like like an emperor bro like he's 340 pounds just there's 10 dudes carrying this guy they have never carried a larger human being off the mountain these dudes were like what the fuck when the guys with the gurney got the call to go get hello diana on the radio i wonder if they

described like the situation the dudes down at the gurney tent you got to climb up this mountain another 4,000 feet from kebo hut four or five thousand feet with a gurney. You've probably been up there earlier today. You know, the trek that takes everything out of pro athletes, these Tanzanian dudes, just crush it like multiple times a day. And they're carrying like tourists with oxygen tanks and shit. It's really, I mean, these guys are the best.

And we make sure we take good care of these guys when we leave. Because to think that these dudes woke up one day. and got called to the top of that mountain on a radio. And as they came over the crest of the hill, they see just a big red-blooded American sitting on his hands and knees waiting for the gurney. Like, that was a motherfucker. So the third story is Jason Kelsey also went to Kilimanjaro.

And you guys know him well. we do a reunion at my farm in Virginia every summer. The Killy veterans and the athletes who went on the trek from all the classes, from one year to the next because there's no overlap. Like you go with a group of five veterans and five players. The next year you got a new group of five veterans, five players. And we've had wonderful vets, Kirstianis, Nate Boyer, who helped me found it, Green Beret. We've had amputee some at the whole nine yards.

It is an awesome experience and inspiring. But the real fun is when we're off the mountain, we do these reunions. So we've had a few of them, and it's just basically an excuse for the vets to come in, the athletes to come in, get drunk, go tubing, hit the river, hang out and shoot skeet, whatever. And Jason Kelsey comes into Charlottesville. And all I've been doing is raving about Charlottesville because it's a wonderful place. It's gorgeous. And I know he lands and he sees the Blue Ridge Mount.

and all this stuff. And he's just kind of like, I think he texts me off the plane like, damn, this place is unbelievable, man, like just the mountain air. It's different. Something like that, I'm sure. And he goes into the bathroom and the concourse and in the urinal. In the middle of the day, in a very mid-sized airport, pristine airport, one of the cleanest airports on the East Coast, there is a cow pie sitting in

Urinal, just obscuring the flush mechanism on this, sitting right on top of that white plastic thing that goes over that pink hockey puck. It was so perfectly placed in the middle of the day. And the only reason I know is because Jason Kelsey leaves the airport, he texts me, he's like, dude, we got to talk. I got to show you something. So if you want to see the video, it is one of the funniest videos I have ever seen. Go follow Jason Kelsey on Instagram.

Go back to his first post. Jason Kelsey hates social media. Despises it. Jason Kelsey signed up for Instagram just to post that video. He's still on it to this day. Jason Kelsey is on Instagram because somebody took a shit in the Charlottesville Airport. and put it in a urinal. In the Charlottesville airport bathroom,

are you shooting me? What? They obviously didn't put it in a urinal. What I mean to say is they hovered over the urinal and took a dump. I'll tell you another story on Friday if you're not burn out. The second thing that I loved about that game, we're still in the game, was the big swing, okay? The money, bro.

The money, okay? This game was like, and I don't gamble. I retired. I don't gamble anymore. I quit on Sunday night because it's an irresponsible thing to do. I'll be back Sunday. The money, dude, the fucking Browns were getting three points, okay? The line pushed to like three and a half before the game.

Someone took a $126,000 bet on Baltimore. So as you know, and it was Baltimore minus three. So as you know at the end of this game, Baltimore, who was left too much time by Cleveland, they go up three. Cleveland's got this last chance situation that you love to see because one of these days, it's actually going to hit. I mean, we very rarely say, I mean, Miami did it against, I think, New England a couple years ago. I think we've had, I think I might even be forgetting one this year, a miraculous end

games. You saw a Hail Mary this year with, I love end of game, unlikely shit. Who doesn't, right? Love onside kicks. It's a guilty pleasure. They never work, although New Orleans could have one this weekend. Like the Rutgers game earlier this year, I think it was, what was it, Rutgers, maybe Indiana or something. They literally had an 11 lateral touchdown to end the game around Halloween, actually. It was Halloween night. And it got called. back. One of the most disappointing things of all time. Well, what's even more disappointing than that is when you have money on the game and the team that you bet fails to cover the spread because they put the ball in their own end zone with no time left on the clock. And that's what happened

to the Cleveland Browns. Actually, it happened once before when I had money on a game and luckily I wasn't touching this game. But it was, I bet James Laronitis a couple bucks, like 50 bucks or something when we were in the league. And I'll never forget, it was Ohio State Northwestern, and Northwestern blew it. And I had to pay James Laronitis because they gave up a touchdown, lateral in the ball around, like fucking idiots. And yeah, that's what happened to a lot of people last night. And that was a big swing. There was a lot of money on the Ravens. A lot of money on the Ravens. number three baker throwing the ball 76 yards bro but honestly and you guys saw this at half time hail mary situation everybody was probably like oh they didn't bring pressure ha ha ha that joke's over guys

okay um but they didn't rush anybody baker just had time to bake a cake back there the ball traveled 76 yards off his hand that is a he's got a cannon bro and he also tried to kill chuck clark go back and look at Chuck Clark running full speed into that fucking goalpost. It was the thing that stood out to me about that play. People were like, look at this throw. All I saw was Chuck Clark going full speed into that goal post. And thank God he's okay because now I can do this segment and do this little talk because I was like, man, I really want to talk about that on Wednesday.

I was like, oh, he's good. I can talk about it. Gus Ferat's a friend of mine, okay? Never talked to him about the thing with the helmet before, actually. Or maybe we did. Maybe we were drinking one night in St. Louis because Gus Ferrat was a football coach at the high school that my wife Meg was coaching lacrosse at, John Burroughs. And with our Rams connections, we had known each other a little bit.

And his wife, Annie, and my wife Meg hit it off. They are like literally the coolest people of all time. The Ferrat's, I count them among the Hall of Fame of Dinner parties you can go to. If I have to go to a dinner party with like a couple, I'm like, fuck, dude. If I got to go with the Farrat's, I can't wait. The most fun people of all time. Gus Farrat famously had butted a wall and that hurt his neck. You cannot tell me Chuck Clark did not hit that goalpost harder than Gus hit the wall. I don't know if the fucking walls were made of like steel beams and like fucking concrete at R.S.

FK, but look how far they've come with these goalposts, dude. The way Chuck Clark hit that goalpost, if you hit a goalposts like that in the 1920s, you would read about that player in the papers, but only the obituary section, because he would be dead. And they also wouldn't even, it would be like a side story in the game. They'd be like, oh, this guy just ran a new goalpost. That wouldn't even be in the article about the football game and put it that way. They have come a long way with those goalposts, man.

holy shit he hit that thing hard um so entertaining game monday but there was also some entertaining um under the radar stuff going on for sure yeah so without further ado uh let's hear from danny green man this was a fun interviews i don't interview a lot of basketball players you're probably like probably this can be awkward but honestly uh it was cool man he seems like a good dude and a humble guy for you know having hit all the shots he's hit and been all the places he's been. And I really think, you know, that type of presence in Philly will help a lot. I mean, I'd love to see Philly win a championship.

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excited to know it's Danny Green if you haven't heard already and there's a lot of buzz around the city about a guy with championship experience who's clutch and naturally I had some people hit me up and say hey there's maybe you and Danny Green should do a pot and here we are so Danny the first question is man who's your favorite NFL team oh man you're going to put me a spot right away well thanks for having man first and foremost I am no star man but I appreciate the Philly it's city of Philly. I appreciate the organization, the team. And I just try to be a star in my role. Hopefully I can bring that to, you know, the organization. Hopefully we can change some things around here. You don't have to bullshit me though, bro. Okay. You're all stars. Here's the deal.

They make a thousand of us. There's only a few NBA players. So I don't care what role you play. Dude, come on. Like, you don't have to play this fake humble shit with me. Let's just get this out of the way right now. Okay. I just play my role, man. I do it as well as I can. But growing up, I never had a football team. I never, I was a fan of certain stars. Yeah. I was certain people.

And I was a quarterback. So I played football when I was younger as well, too. So I was a fan of certain quarterbacks. And as of late Phillies, give me a reason to be a big fan of them and their team. I was like someone, Michael Vick was here. Now, Jane LeHertz that. We had different teams that came through here. There's some other guys that I was a fan of too

when they were here not so much a fan anymore. Right. But yeah, growing up, I was a fan of certain people and certain quarterbacks. And, you know, Hertz has given me a reason to be an Eagles fan right now, man. He's doing well. That was exciting, man.

That was, because, listen, it's hard to see your buddies go through it. And I know you're doing this right now where you, like, well, I guess I'll just ask you this. Because right now, okay, like, I got to talk about the Eagles every week. And these are all, like, a lot of them are my boys. So, like, my job is on Sunday I got to break down the action, but, you know, if you don't make it personal and you don't drag somebody for something like, and you know this, there's a way you talk about players, but I'm retired, right? Like, you've had a podcast, and for the people at home, what's your podcast call where they can hear it? Inside the green room, you can pretty much hear it almost anywhere.

But inside the greener event, I know exactly what you're talking about because you have a certain respect for the game, certain respect for players. you can still talk or criticize without dragging or putting down someone. So that's what we try to do. I never ever try to, you know, talk down and so I make fun or something. Because then all of a sudden it's a, I was saying a meme or anything. But the whole everybody in the media jumps on the bandwagon, all of social media, and everybody starts looking at this player and there's extra pressure on that player to do well. So I just, because I think everybody's great.

I think everybody's great. I like that. That should be. So, and I respect everybody's crafts. I was like, look, this guy is great. Don't get wrong. He just had a bad day. This is what he probably was looking for him to do. Maybe he's not good at doing this.

Okay, so there's a reason why he's where he's at because he's really great. So I try to put it in that perspective and let it be known of what the expectations are in the person and not what he's not doing. Right. And what he needs to do and how bad he is at what he's doing right now. So I try to put it in that category. Yeah, because like the other day, okay. So Darius Slay, who's a hell of a corner, we got him from Detroit. And I didn't get a chance to play with Slay, but I like Slay a lot.

And then, you know, he had played two weeks in a row. He played D.K. and Devante Adams in six days. Six fucking days. This guy's got D.K. So I just was reading things about him that were just so disrespectful. Like, listen, the guy, he's accountable. He said, I had two bad games. You know, I want to be better than this.

You know, like ideally I don't want to give up 160 to DK or whatever. it was, but like these guys get paid too. And I hate people resorting to words like bum or like fuck this guy or this guy is just trash. And that's where I get like that. That's just so disrespectful to me because you're just mad at what you expected of this player. This player is out here being exactly who he is to the best of his abilities. And if you're mad at Howie Roseman because he gave up too much to get a player like say that. Don't call the player a bum, you know, and don't call a guy who had a bad day, that's not who he is, you know? At all.

And there's a reason why those guys put up those numbers against everybody in the league, not just him. They have special players too. Yeah. He said, I hate when people do that too, man. And he might have had this a bad game, the combination of both. But even people forget this to night and night out, even if it's not a D.K.

Or Devante, those other guys out there are really good, too. There is no rest nights. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm not. in the league. They get paid to. They're very good. People are like, oh, you had a bad game against Damien Allard, Stub Curry.

Like, you forget, you got to play Russell Westbrook the night after that. You got to play Kyrie Irvin. Yeah. You got to play those. There's a lot of those in the NFL, too. There's a lot of top, other top wide receivers in the game that he has to play, you know, the next week.

And he has to have a quick bounce back, a quick recovery, short-term memory. And it only helps as if people and his fans and his family foundation are backing him, other than trying to drain them or down them or criticize them. So that's why I think, you know, and I always don't say criticize the fans, but I think true fans and ones are there, you know, win or lose, they're behind you. And, you know, you know that you're doing your best.

And you're doing it. And the day, it's a sport. And Twitter brings out the worst in everybody. Cool. Because here, like, here's a deal. Like, how many times does anybody ever come up to you and, like, said something foul to you in person? I mean, like, I'm sure it's happened, but like, not often.

Not in, like, for sure, not often with me. either. So like I just you just have to take it for what it is. It's the it's kind of the world we live in now. That energy is very different when they see in person. The same people are talking about you usually. Same people are saying hello, shaking your hand on a picture, autograph. So you can't take it seriously. Like you said. Anybody give you a death threatened person after that whole that whole deal this summer? I doubt it. No. So that's the whole thing. It's like it's I've never been threatened in person. I've never had anybody come up and say, hey, you suck. Like I've read it a thousand times on the internet. And it's hard though because that's the I mean I feel like and I was just talking to your co-host about this before you before you popped on Harrison

Like we live in a climate now where that shit sells like the the more You and I have podcasts right and one of the interesting things about it is that makes it even harder for you is you're not a retired player So like the scrutiny you face is different than even what I do because now I've joined the media at large But like you're still a player and there's also the dynamic of like you talk into a microphone for an hour a week and you and you have an off night and people are like, maybe you shouldn't be doing that podcasting. It makes a difference. I could be watching Yellowstone.

Like, what's the difference? You know, like, I say that too, and I'm like, I don't want to, and for every pod now, because we have a pretty good track record. It's like, I don't want to hear, I've been doing a pod for two years, and so far we've been winning, but I want to hear the reasons of why.

And it says it only takes about an hour of your time. That time is no different than me watching a TV series, a show, an episode. It's really just me talking. my teammates shooting shit. I do is when I get a haircut. A lot of it is us just talking, you know, sports. Yeah.

And giving you our inside respect to the line. But yeah, man, got to take it for what it is and not take it seriously. A lot of people just do it. They just want to response. A lot of people just want to feel important. Do you just do your job to the best of your ability, keep it moving. You know, night and night out. It's the end of the day.

It's a sport. People, some people take it too far and farther than it should. Do you feel? Do you feel weird when you're, when a quote pops from your pod because I feel kind of like because as a player you used to if you see your quote pop on bleach your report you're like yeah and like you're still in that mode you're a player so like depending I mean when you were on the spurs did you have a podcast when you were on the spurs? No. Okay. So I was lucky. Luckily because I was very hesitant to do it Harrison. He talked me into it.

Right. And he talked me into doing it and I was very hesitant to do it before I left San Antonio. Right. Luckily, I'm going to say, I should say luckily, but because I know San Antonio wasn't big on doing things off the court. But luckily for me, after I agreed to do it, we had been traded to a new market. So I was like, all right, it should be easy. You know what I'm saying? To pitch this to a new organization than it is to do it in San Antonio. But yeah, every time I see police report, legal or whatever it may be, there's like one random statement that's a negative statement.

And you're like, yeah, there's so much more to that interview, so much more than I said. Out of contact. able to take this out of context. It was a joke. It was like, I said a joke about, you know, if I don't make it to finals and sure, win the championship, you know, it's Philly's fault because I have a street girl. I read that. I thought that she was hilarious too.

Then there was, I recycled back. So I'm just kidding. You know, I'm just here to bring my, then I said something else. It was like about our celebration with, without the fans in L.A. And it was like, oh, Danny Green doesn't want to celebrate with fans. I'm like, come on. That's not what I said. I just said, I look at the positives.

I like our celebration, how it was with close friends and family. I obviously want to celebrate. love to have a parade, celebrate the fans. But I like the fact, I look at the positives of COVID, that we had it, you know, just our group of teammates and our family, which was cool. But I still want to celebrate with the fans. But every small detail, you're careful how you say it. You know, I can't even keep you careful.

They're going to take it and just, you know, and decipher and put out what grabs the attention of, you know, the audience. You know, you know, it's funny. I can tell you won a lot of championships because you're like, man, I thought it would be chill if we just would kind of like do this as a family. family this year. The young dudes are like, what the fuck, dude? I join the Lakers for this moment. Like, you guys are the unluckiest Laker team of all time because a lot of guys would look at it like, well, I didn't even get to party after the game. I didn't get to go out and have a parade in L.A.

No, I do. I am upset about that part of it. But I've been lucky. I've been blessed. I've been fortunate to win enough. I've been spoiled. But the actual, I didn't really get, I didn't get any vacation. I didn't get. We had six weeks. took turnaround in a vacation. I'd make a chance to really celebrate the way we should have and actually get the proper rest that you should have after one-on-one. But, you know, it's part of the job. You know, you've got to be ready to quick turn around and play

and join a new system, join a new organization, and make it work. But I did like, you know, the intimate celebration of, you know, not having so many big crowds. But I do think the fans and the city deserve one I would love to, obviously, if there ever comes a day to do that. But I enjoyed our small. you know, intimate celebrations. But I did not like the fact that I could not get a vacation and celebrate as long as I wanted to.

That's funny because like after our Philly, okay, after we won in New England a couple of years ago before I went to Philly when we won that 28 to 3 Super Bowl. And I was on Cloud 9. I never won a championship away to my whole career, bro. Like I was on the worst teams. Like I don't know who the NBA version of the St. Louis Rams would be. it would be a less popular New York Knicks and I'm a long-suffering Knicks fan so I can tell you it's ugly

but we get to you know like you've waited your whole life to win this championship and I always imagine when I was a young player like what's that night like it's got to be just crazy right and when we after the celebration yeah but in New England they ran it out this this

this like amphitheater or whatever and it was like fans and players and I remember thinking I love the fans, but like I want to see my family. So I end up at a hotel bar with six, seven people. And just to your point, like, that was just as special to me. Same thing after Philly. Philly did it really well because they roped off a section for the players.

We're in New England. All the tables were all over the place and there were players or fans buying tickets and shit like that. So, you know, like it just made more sense to me actually now that I'm thinking about the parade, I wouldn't trade it for the world. That's the best part of winning a championship at least. For sure. In my experience, the parade is better than even the game, dude.

No, no, no. Parade was, it's always amazing to have the parade. It's a lot of fun, especially to celebrate with the city. Toronto was something special. And that was probably three hours longer than it should have been, but it was fun there. So my question, when you won, were you on the road or were you at home? You were on the road. So, yeah, so basically in New England, we played in Houston.

And so that Super Bowl was in Houston. and what happens is you stay there the night. Like, you know, every football game, like they put you on a plane and go home, no matter what, like you can win a huge playoff game and you're going to be like, if you're going to party and your coaches let you party on the plane.

Well, every Super Bowl's on the road because it's at a neutral site. Yeah, but like we also stay the night. If you're wondering, like, we stay the night, you spend the whole, you spend the whole day and a half there. It's awesome. Now, the one in Minneapolis,

it's zero degrees outside there. Like literally zero degrees outside. So like you were freezing your ass off to get to the party. I could only imagine if I wouldn't a player like waiting in line. If you ever go to like a full star weekend or something like no chance, dude. I guess I'll ask you this because while we're on this like traveling, how good do you all have it traveling in the NBA? Like y'all's playing. Oh, we have a very good.

Yeah. We have a very good. So I didn't realize this is when I realized how good we had it because early on I had a really good taste of it because I was a Cleveland, LeBron Shagg and those guys. Yeah. And then I was cut. So I had to do overseas travel, D-League, which is now the G-League travel, very different. And I was like, damn, if I ever get back to NB, I'm not, I'm not ever coming back. I'm staying as long as I can.

That's motivation right there. Yeah. So the reason I ask you on the, because I was fortunate enough to win one at home in San Antonio, which is a lot different dynamic than winning on the road. We're in Toronto. Right. We had game five in Toronto that we lost. We won in Gold State.

So it's so different when you're in another city's, you know, another team city and trying to celebrate a championship in that city. So in the bay, everything was pretty much shut down almost time anyway, and nobody's really going to be fucking with us. Yeah, like where did you go?

Like, where did y'all go that? They had to let, you had to be a family's intimate celebration. So the whole organization set up something for us, like a little restaurant, a little area where they had some music and stuff like that where our families who were there can celebrate with us.

Now in San Antonio, which I liked it because it forced us to celebrate together. In San Antonio, it was like, after you won everybody just dispersed. Right. Everybody went with their families and celebrated wherever they want to celebrate in San Antonio. Unfortunately, in L.A.

We barely got to do anything. We could celebrate in Orlando in the bubble like everybody else did, which was, it took us some time to come back to L.A. But yeah, it's different. I've been, said I've been lucky to have been experienced both on the road and at home, but it's very different on the road. You know, I think about that sometimes, but I can never imagine, like, winning actually like in the bay

and people are just like hey fuck you guys like you really like no we might not even let you in bro like I guess I would ask who was the superstar or y'all's parades that you might not expect like who had the biggest day that you were like this dude's been waiting

for this forever oh man actually in San Antonio I have to give it to pop you know because pop showed a side of himself that you don't normally see often especially to the fans and the you know he's having his fun had his champains and throwing up the five

going crazy like I'm like okay pops enjoying this and you know some of those guys they were a little older and had one before so it was new for me was my first one so our younger guys probably enjoyed it a little bit more but we also our parade was different we were on boats so we did it through the river walk

we did tour through the river walk with the boats and you know the fans throughout the city so it was not as much crazy going on but in Toronto we were there it was a long day to, I had to give it to Marcus All. He had a great, great parade. He looked like he had fun. He had a great parade, man. And I think he deserved it because he's been in a league for so long.

And it took in a while just to get to that stage and win one. You know, he enjoyed it. And he's seen his brother win multiple, you know, and he's never got a chance to do it. And he's been a hell of a player in his own right. Oh, man. He's been all-star, he's been all-star. But he's, he's done a lot of great things when he was in his league. So I said he finally got the ring and he deserved it.

Can he drink as much as it looks like he can drink just in the face? Him and Andrew Bogot to me look like and just like looking at their faces like they could drink 47 beers. I think he could. I think what hurt him was that said it was such long hours in the sun. It was it was kind of hot out there. The heat got to him. So when you're in the sun for six hours and drinking champagne and you're saying champagne, all different wine bottles, he took one full bottle to the whole bottle to himself.

in front of the fans, which that probably hit him very soon later on. But he definitely is a big body and can hold his own. You know what the funny thing is, the most disorienting thing about the parades for me was I've been drunk so many times in my life and I've been way worse than the parade day. But the fact that like they ask you at the end of the route, somebody pulls you aside and hey, do you and Lane Johnson want to talk to the on the podium? Like, what are you going to say? You're so hammering.

You're like, this is the parade. Like, you got to talk. So did they put a microphone in your face? Did you say anything that you were like, man, I was slam? They did. I didn't get to, I was okay. I'm not a drinker. So I paced myself.

I didn't drink too much. I didn't do too much. I was sober. They were going to put Mark on. I was like, you guys want to be careful with Mark. Mark is a little, let's save him, you know? Yeah. Because he's gone.

Oh, he's gone. I think there was one time, the worst part is like the next day, people I want to do interviews with you. I think I was brought on maybe first take. I had to do like Stephen A and skip maybe those guys the next morning or something like that after a San Antonio parade or after a San Antonio night of party. And that's probably the hardest thing is getting up at like 9, 10 a.m. And getting dressed and acting like you're sober. That's another thing I used to watch when I was younger. I used to be like after a Super Bowl, if I saw somebody talking in the morning spot on ESPN or something, I'd be like, I'm never going to be that guy.

if I ever get a chance. There's no way. I need eight hours if I get that blackout, but you get older, you figure it out. So right now, the whole deal is crazy for you guys

because I had texted Michael Rubin to tell him that, you know, I'm going on with you today. And he's like, you're going to meet him before I've met him. Like, COVID is nuts.

Like, how crazy has this, what feels like a couple weeks been? And are your legs back? I mean, do guys, are guys dragging? I mean, I got enough, I was lucky enough to get enough rest to where I was fresher.

And I think it took me a while to get the trade to go through for me to be allowed to practice with the team. So I didn't get the practice first three or four days. Right. But now I think my legs are back. My wind, my conditioning is a little bit better back. I wouldn't say I'm the freshest. Yeah. But yeah, man, so quick turnaround and instead talking to the organization of how they're going to do things with no fans in certain cities,

but your family's not allowed to come. Like, you know, your friend, they have to stay home. Right. They pretty much almost in a bubble all over again, you know, talking to them. It's like they have to stay home and either watch on TV, especially if you're not in a city that's, if you have traded to a city or in a city that you don't like too much or where it's cold, there's nothing to do or cities really shut down.

Right. It's going to be tough for families, you know, guys, wives, kids, etc. So I think that's why a lot of guys, kids and wives are staying, like, at their home, home, you know, they found their neutral base. and just kind of visiting whenever they can. But yeah, this quick turnaround and how they're operating or doing it is going to be strange for a little while and weird for a lot of guys playing. But it's better than being in one location and doing it.

We still get to travel. We still get to go in different arenas, even though it's empty arenas. We still get some type of normalcy of being in India. Oh, yeah, it's got to be a lot better than the bubble, I'm sure. I mean, psychologically and all that stuff. We'll get into that in a second. But let's get this. let's rip this band-aid off so we can get off the Philly thing.

The Kauai shot was as a sports fan, and I was pulling for the Sixers because, you know, like my team's at home generally that time of year, the Knicks. And, you know, I'm playing in Philly, so it's hard not to root for their teams and been out to some games, and it's an awesome environment. It really is. And I know you play there. I mean, but that night, they hold you accountable. They hold you accountable.

That was going to be my next question, but like, starting with the Kauai'i's. shot. Was that shit luck or was that skill? I think it's a little bit of both. I think you need both in the playoffs. When he first shot it, I was like, oh man, you know, we're going to overtime. But he takes that shot often. You know, he does. If he gets to his right hand, he gets that fade, it's a pretty good shot, a pretty good chance it's going to go in, you know. So he got to a spot. The fact that he shot it over Joel, seven footer, pretty athletic, big body, fading to his right, to end of the game.

game and it took three bounces to go in at least four bounces that we had a little bit of luck on our side but he he takes that shot he practices that shot but it is a little awkward down him bounce it like that no no I've never seen that that happened before but it is awkward now being on the other side of it now in this locker room with these because I almost I forgot about it but you're very it's very fresh in your mind when you come to this organization and your locker with these guys and like, man, we're glad you guys wanted, because you, you son of the bitch just beat us with that. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm sorry.

You know, I kind of feel bad. And then when I was in Toronto, I was like, yeah, hell yeah, we want, we're supposed to win. And here it's like, damn. But we're like, we're glad you least want it because if you guys would have lost, it felt really bad losing to you guys on that type of shot. They were pulling for you all to win the whole thing.

I think after that. I think you're always pulling for a team that beat you to win the whole thing. In football, I feel like it might be different. Yeah. In football, because it feels so personal to get beat by somebody. You're just like, you're like, fuck these dudes. I hope they live the next week. I hope their bus breaks down.

You said something about the Philly Media. Listen, some people say I'm one of the smartest people of all time. Won a Super Bowl there next year. We made the playoffs, but I got the fuck out of there before it comes to be like it is right now. And so I never got the wrong side of the Philly Media. and for a lot of my career I played in St. Louis where, yes, we were bad, but it was one of those markets, I would assume, like, playing an OKC or something where the reporters are not going to be, like, just crushing you at your blocker, you know, right after the game or the next day.

Are you ready for that? I mean, I think that's a rhetorical question probably. And then also, how would you compare that to the other plays you play? Because I would assume San Antonio is pretty chill, but it's weird because you guys, the excellence is expected at the same time. I would assume San Antonio is very similar to your St. Louis. So we were the only, pretty much only professional team in San Antonio.

Everybody's all about the Spurs and the media, and they controlled everything there and made sure the media, certain people were allowed in there, certain people worked that locker room, and they weren't putting out negative. And the fans were very supportive regardless of a winner-lews. And said, they'd been there before. They won some, too. but I think

Philly Northeast fans are different like New York Philly fans I think they're very similar but am I prepared for it I think there's nothing like the L.A. situation

that can't you know that situation could pray for any situation so I believe being in L.A. is definitely prepared me for this and instead

even playing here as an opposing team has helped me because I'm playing here to playoffs as Toronto even when I was on even on the West Coast it was the fans

here, they'll let you hear it, man. They'll heckle you. I've been heckled here plenty of times. I got into it sometime. I was looking at a house of there. He's like, yeah, you know, that man that guy was heckling you in the sideline. I was like five rows behind. So yeah, it was a couple of people that did that each game every night just mess with you trying to get in your head. So yeah, there's no situation like LA situation with media or social media or fan-wise fan base that can prepare you for anything. Once you go there, you can be, you know, ready to be in any type of scenario, especially Philly. But Philly, I feel like

it's a different answer. Northeast people, a different to different animal. And if you haven't played in New York, you know, or somewhere like that, it's going to be a culture shock for you to adapt and adjust to these type of people. Is L.A. L.A.'s known around the league is that place, where the

lamps, the hottest. For sure. Especially, you know, especially being a teammate of LeBron's. It was a microscope. The expectation is a lot higher, you know, for you as a teammate. So you have both those animals. You have LeBron and LA, it's a big microscope, you know. So there's an only other place that I can think of that could compare would be New York.

You know, New York fans. There's nothing like New York fans. How do you bring, because, and people said it, I mean, people didn't say it as much as they said it about you probably, because when I came to Philly, I just won one Super Bowl. And like me and LaGarrett were coming from New England. And both of us, it was like, both of us came to Philly and we got a chance to win. So then from there, we were known as like, these guys know how to win. I think there's something to knowing how to win, but there's also something to just, you've got to go win in your new spot too.

And you're not just going to be able to walk through the door. And like, because Danny Green walked into Danny Green knows how to win, I'm going to teach Jake Milton how to win. And I'm going to teach like, like, is that overstated sometimes? Um, a little bit. I said, people, regardless of where you want and what you've done, you start to keep reproving yourself. You still have to prove it. Right. The next year, whether it's in the same city or the next city, you still have to prove it.

But, yes, once you've done it more than once, there's something to that that people in the organization appreciate the fan. The average fan might not know or appreciate it. But it doesn't, it starts with the respect of your teammates. That's it. So in Toronto, you know, those guys respected me. Even though we only had one in San Antonio, we had Timmy, Tony Monde with us and Pop. So it was like, you know, it's a little bit harder to win when you're not expected to. Now we're respected to do it in San Antonio, but in LA, it was like, all right, we were expected to do.

Anything less is a disappointment, right? And if you won, it was like, okay, well, you guys did be you're supposed to do. In San Antonio, we were kind of the underdog. Miami's always expected to win. In Toronto, we weren't expected to win. So it was a Golden State or other teams. We weren't sure who was coming out to east. Toronto never came out to east.

So, yeah, when you're coming to another organization and trying to teach that, the first thing is, which I think is important. And you can't really, you have no control over a lot of this, but having respect of your teammates. And I think a lot of guys do respect me here in the locker. I'm just as an opposing player as an opponent, and when they played against me and just watching what I've done, respect it, even though a lot of them are probably better than me.

They're like, you know what, this guy knows what the hell he's doing. shit to him. He understands the game. He knows the game of where I can learn from him. And that's where it starts where guys need to buy into like, all right, let me see how this guy can help us, help me. So that just starts from

being in the locker right away. And once you earn that respect, you earn that rapport with them of getting to know them before you start barking orders at him. I'm telling what to do. It's just feeling them out and feeling them as a person. Then it's like, all right, how do I approach this to this person? You know, how do I tell Joel or Ben, or

Tobias, like, this is what we need to see that we need to do. But, yeah, you have to build that relationship over time. And I think, you know, it starts with the first initial, is that even though we won, we beat them in Toronto, they hated us for beating them. But I think they respected me and us as a team and individuals as players, like, you know, these guys are good, they know what they're doing. And regardless of how old he is, regardless of what he's achieved individually, even though he's not an all-star, he's got the IQ in the mind of what it takes to win.

And obviously, Doc, too, it starts with Doc as well. Yeah, it's funny because I think a lot of people misread the room and think that, or just this is the way it goes on, like, a you or an I walk into a locker room, and all of a sudden we just start yelling at people. Or we just start telling people. That's what they think. Like, yeah, just walk in and you're like, hey, guys. Hey, just so you know, this is what we did here.

Like, it was funny, what you said exactly resonates with me, because when I walked into Philly locker room. I had never had, when I was in St. Louis, I was respected because I was a real good player. But I was on the back end of my career now and I was more of a role guy. I was a role guy for sure in New England. But in Philly, like, there were, all of a sudden, you just see younger guys kind of just gravitate you. They would go sit with you at lunch or they'd hang around your locker or like even older guys that I really respected were like, tell me what it takes or and it would be in a quiet moment or it would be like on the bus. But it's, there's not any formality to it. It's not like

the team just gathers around you and you give a speech. And in the playoffs, I remember because they were giving, they were having vets talk that Philly run and they were having vets talk every week through the playoffs and it was my turn before

I guess the NFC championship game. And they asked me you know what it takes to win in the playoffs and I just said kind of what we've talked about. I'm like listen I can tell you what I've seen and what I've experience, but there is no guarantee that I go out there and don't fuck it up. And I go, I think you just need to understand that like, I don't watch the playoffs every year. Guys that have never been there

make plays. Guys that have been there all the time make mistakes. You know, and, and that's the reality of it is like, and the minute you think, well, I've never been there, I don't know how to do this, or I've been there and I know exactly how to do this. I'm putting this on cruise control. You're fucked up. And so, you know, like when I watch y'all's run last year, like, Calwell Pope had a really nice finals, right? Like, he had some really good games. Like, I don't remember him being in the NBA finals every year. I mean, like, so it's just, it's just, it's just people step up.

And I think it's more of the respect and the leadership and that in a situation where you need a little guy and these guys will go to you. And it's more subtle than you walk in and you give fuck some speech. Exactly. Because you don't want to be the guy that people are tired of hearing from that think you know it all. Like, you start coming in about this guy's always talking about and thinks he knows it all. because we don't.

And the day, we've been there, but doesn't mean we know it all. We've had some good moments as a player. We had some good moments, you know, as a teammate. We've had, you know, some moments we've shined in, some moments we haven't. You know, that just happens. So be it. But you do need everybody together and you do need one or two pieces. And maybe somebody random that steps up and shines.

But that's part of staying healthy, executing, have a little luck on your side. All those come into play. But, you know, you can help yourself with that luck by being prepared. You know, we try to teach them those little. details of certain things. So you don't want to be the guy to come in and start barking orders right away. You want to get the respect of them, learn them, and then, you know, little subtle things here and there and how to teach them throughout the year of how to

become, you know, what it takes to win. And you can be a calming presence because, you know, dudes are looking at you in the huddle and they're like, okay, this guy's not panicking. Even though you might be internally, he's been somewhere, but he's putting on a brave face like this is going to be okay. What was the bubble like, man? Because we were talking about this offline a little bit. like I know I heard you and Aaron Gordon did a pod that that's coming out as people are listening the same day so check out the pod um but like the mental health aspect of it the the the repetitive the groundhog day feeling the I just was imagining because I know this in training camp every morning waking up hitting that elevator button and being like oh I'm going to work again it's the same thing I haven't been outside that guard booth outside I've been bass fishing in the same fucking pond

out in front of, out in front of the Epcot Center. How tiresome is that that people don't even realize behind the scenes? I said, I've done a lot of mental health interviews, pods because of how people know how draining it was on your mental. But, and I said, I use this analogy, I think it might have been errands or another friend of mine's pod. It doesn't matter what kind of setup you have for someone. It could be there in heaven.

and it could be their best you put all the video game have the best man cave you know and put it together if you put them in that type of environment for too long or three and a half months they're gonna get tired they're gonna go crazy no matter what it is no matter what set up and it was tough and i feel like our setup was pretty good for the most part um but not having your family and friends there for the first two months you know a lot of your very wives or girlfriends um and then you know they're there for the last month. It's tough. And then you have to perform every day. Not just that you have to go. So imagine your perfect setup, but you have to do work. You have to do work every day and it's physical in your body, mind. And only people are watching you, everybody in the world's

watching you and they get to critique you on social media, on TV and tell you what you did and what you're doing wrong. You could be throwing paper planes for all we care. That was your job. People got a chance to critique you and you have to do this every day for a certain amount of hours. It would drain you mentally and emotionally. It's really hard. to put it into words and describe how tough it was. But I think the reason why we're not doing it ever again because guys are very opposed to it. And I think the league understood how tough it was

and how it could affect long term of guys, mental and emotional stability, you know, throughout their careers. Do you think guys battled like things like depression or guys found out that they were dealing with things that they didn't even realize they were, do you think they learned anything about their mental health being in there? For sure.

But, I mean, I know I did. I learned a lot more about myself, certain things I didn't know what was going on and that's happening. And I said, we were there longest, obviously is different for different teams.

And, you know, I was talking to Philly, Philly. I was like, we were there, 56 days. You guys were in there for 100.

So I can imagine, you know, what you guys were going through. Like, we were home and y'all was still in there. So, yeah, you learn how much you, your mind, body can handle.

Obviously, your mind and emotion, emotionally, how much you can handle. But I don't think a lot of us handled it well. And that's why I think we'll ever do it again. We got through it, but we didn't handle it well. And it wasn't good for us entirely, you know, as a person, as a human. What was it like playing in front of, like, the actual playing in front of nobody? Like, as a shooter, is there something I'm not thinking about with the depth perception or not having fans in the stands or a little bit a little bit i think more so the fact that we're so

used to having that we play for the crowd a lot of us play with the crowd right um that adrenaline boost um you know there's always always keep this in my mind for some odd reason it stuck on me i think since college you know somebody said if you're prepared if you practice something you keep doing it over and over yeah you prepare yourself um more likely than none usually do it at a higher or better, you perform better when you have an audience. Right. So, you know, you were used to playing, we used to practicing, and we used to shooting, and that adrenaline helps you perform at another level.

And, you know, just so, like, it just so happens, it sucked the fact that the teams that work so hard to get home court didn't really have home court. Right. It had been interesting to see a lot of those teams that had lost that were higher seeds to actually play with their fans behind them. It was a reason why they played much. better teams shoot better teams um you do execute better with their their fans and you know that noise

screaming for them um they need that and some guys just perform at a higher level even all stars you know you can see um even brawn you know brawn is a is a guy that played even though he played so well you can tell early in the bubble it was affecting him it wasn't he's not used to not being in front of or hearing that noise didn't look to be having as much fun no it's not as fun and that's how he plays basketball still you know old sports still you want to have some type of fun But it's a lot of guys used to playing for a crowd or, you know, with a crowd behind them, that a general helps me make the next big play, the next shot when you don't have that there. Or even when you make a big play and there's no real sound, you're like, what the,

you don't really understand the magnitude of the play if they're not there. I think sometimes I sat there as a, and I understood the magnitude of what you guys were doing because the country, normalcy in sports is huge and feeling like there's something, going on that you can bond with other team or other fans of a team and you can watch something on TV. Like I think too many people took it lightly what you guys were doing for all the

reasons we just talked about. But sometimes I was like, have you ever seen the movie Truman Show? Like I felt like this was a situation. It was one of my favorite movies. I felt like it was a situation where like it was borderline exploitative like in the situation making you guys go out there and just turn the music up fucking put some crowd

in there. And I thought it was probably surreal at times in the finals, especially like, did you ever sit there and thinking like, there's nobody in this gym? When I leave this building, they'd show the aerial of that orange stucco building. And I was so tripped out by the fact that you guys would leave the building at night. Hundreds of millions of people watching. You walk out those doors. I could almost hear the silence in my head walking back to the crickets, walking back to that quiet hotel room you were in. Was that just like the biggest mind fuck? It's just, I think at that point, we were so used to it. We were so locked in that we don't really realize.

So after, you know, doing interviews and watching the games, you're watching ours, us play the finals, and you're remembering how quiet it was when you made this play, when you made that shot, which is not normal. You know what I'm saying? You're like, man, we won, and I'm like, damn, it's emptying it. Like, we're making these plays. And, like, it was watching these highlights.

It doesn't look like a finals game at all. Give me one team real quick that you think would have made a longer run because of the reason what type of team would benefit from style of play from the crowd being into it. Like Miami, you guys, I'm sure you'd say you'd beat them anyways. But Miami would be one that I would think if they had, you know, American Airlines or whatever it is down there would be pretty live. Miami and Philly, even though I'm hearing out, were great at home, but tough. They weren't as good on the road. Right.

So then they beat, not saying they wouldn't have made the finals, but beating like Milwaukee 4-1, that would have been tough. They beat everybody else like 4-1. I think playing in Boston is a tough place to play. I think Boston probably would have thrived. I think some other teams definitely. Denver came back through one twice, which is tough to do. I don't know how well they would have done that

with fans and being on the road playing against those teams. But still imagine the altitude up there. That thing's real when you play basketball. For sure, right? I mean, it's just definitely. So a couple teams got their home court taking away pretty good. I mean, y'all included, that would have been so crazy down the stretch. But Utah definitely has a good fan base.

And I think them up being up 3-1, not saying Denver wouldn't have beat them, but them being up 3-1 with their fans behind them and Denver having to beat them in their home court at least once or twice to win that seven-game series would have been very tough. To beat them and Clippers 3-1 would have been tough. Not saying they wouldn't have done it. But I think series would have been longer in the east because there was a lot of blowout series. You would have had more series like Toronto Boston. Toronto Boston went to game seven.

And would that have happened if there were fans? Maybe, maybe not. But it was a hell of a dogfight. I think there were more series like that for Miami than there was 4-1, 4-0. Like Miami beat a lot of teams easily in the East. But yeah, it would have been interesting, man. But a lot of guys didn't get a chance to experience it. Some rookies only got half a season of fans.

And so we have, you know, guys on our team here, I got experienced fans one time, man. I need to get, I need to experience it full all, like one full season. You almost feel bad for him. You've gotten a chance to play with three of the best players after this last, well, after this last ride, you've really seen it all, but you, three of the best players of all time. So what makes Kyle Kuzma, Patrick McCaw, and Matt Bonner so different? Oh, man.

No, what makes what makes LeBron Tim Duncan and Kauai so different because like I play with Tom Brady okay I play with Aaron Don like you know Aaron especially I'm still pretty tight with because you know

when he came in the league I was one of the vets there but like people misunderstand them often and I feel like especially in basketball like how could you understand LeBron perfectly how could you especially Kauai understand him perfectly and Tim what do people misunderstand about those three guys that make them so good?

Well, I think people understand about, you know, Tom, Tom Brady in your sense is that he's a guy and people love him so much and guys like that because not saying anybody could be him, but he wasn't the most athletic guy. He was just extremely smart. He worked so hard as craft. These guys, yes, they're monsters. They're freak athletes.

They're freak of natures. But they work like they don't have those talents. And they study the game like, you know, there are the average job the average joe that needs to make it um the only person i could compare the time would be you know timmy you know timmy was 611 you know tall body said he wasn't the most athletically gifted he was just a bigger body but he was so smart he uses his uh use his angles has IQ to his advantage um you know obviously he's younger he was more athletic but as he got older you know he still was killing guys with one leg um but he said kawai was he has a unbelievable

hands and with his body, his shoulders, brawn the same. So many other guys that I play with, they're amazing. But they're just freakered natures, but they also study and know the game, have high IQ and work like they're the guy, like at the end of the bench, we're trying to make it to the league.

And so many people, so many people like Steph Curry, is relatable. You know, he's not a big guy. He's not the most athletic. He's a smaller guy. I was like, 6364. People don't think that. They think he's smaller than that.

but he's your average guy. I have big hands. He doesn't jump very high. He's not very fast. He is quicker than people expect, but he's just worried, worked on his crack, worked on how to be a pure shooter from 50 feet

and handled the ball extremely well and has a good sight vision and no defenses and know how to attack them. And at the same time, Braun, they also took care of their body. Braun takes care of his body like no other. You know, he sacrificed a lot of his time and energy and family time to make sure his body is, you know,

and tip top shape. That's what I keep hearing about LeBron. Like I was kind of psychotic about my body, but also I had a life too. You know, I wasn't going to spend all night in the hyperbaric team. And how long can he play, Danny? Give me an age that he could play to.

I think this contract that he has right now is probably the last one. I don't know if you're going further than that. I think if he does, it'll be to play with Ronnie. Yeah. I don't, if you're crazy about your body, I talk to some other guys.

He's like, I think I do more. than I'm supposed to. I talk to Marvel Williams, who just recently retired is a Carolina guy. And so I think I do more than I'm supposed to. I'm like, yeah, he probably, like, y'all don't think you're much different. I think he does it. If you're a psychotic, much about it, he probably does the same. He just spends a little bit more time doing it. Right. He's not in a rush. He's not in a rush. He also wants to see his family, see his kids, his wife, everything like that. But he sacrifices a lot of that time that he could be with him, that a lot of us are like, I got to get out of here. I got to go back or I got to do this. He's doing it at the facility.

and he's probably doing it at home as well. But there's nothing extreme. It's just the things we're supposed to do. He's going to do cold tub more than once a day. He has his own access to his own cold tub or whatever. He's going to get hydration, drink oils, you know, fluids, get massages, getting certain treatment. Same things we do.

He's just doing it more time throughout the day and longer throughout the day. And he's also extremely talented. And he's got a freak of a nature body that has held up to this long. So Tim Duncan, I guess the burning question now, would have is has he gotten new jeans since you played with him? Has he changed his fit at all? Or is he just still? Have you seen him as a late? I haven't seen him as a late. He's got dreads now, man. He's got salt and pepper dreads, but he's changed his look a little bit. I think I did see that. Is he tapering the jeans a little more? Yes. So Timmy, I had seen Tim, you know,

and I said his kids grow up. I've been with him long enough. He's a brother of mine, you know, had gone through, I don't say, Nass. I don't know how the divorce went, but he went to a divorce separation. And then he got, then he got remarried. So when he got remarried, his new, his wife now was a little younger, a little more fashionable, a little more hip. And kind of got him into doing more, you know. Yeah. Timmy don't care.

Timmy's like, you know, I can tell he doesn't care. And I love that. I respected it so much because you're like, I'm that good. Like, it really doesn't matter. And I don't care. He was definitely like the Mark Zuckerberg of NBA. He just came out and just wear his footflops or pajamas. If he could wear his pajamas, he would.

But, you know, he didn't really care. But, you know, he actually over time, you know, started like wearing some decent stuff, you know, and I was like, okay. You know, and that was a shout out to his wife now. Yeah. Who got him, she was younger, got him into some fashionable stuff. And, you know, we started tapering, hair cut. But, you know, different things now. Good for him.

So, Kauai, I'm not going to press you too much because I think everybody probably asked you who this guy is in private. It's one of the most interesting things to me in pro sports is how somebody can be that good and we know him that little. Okay. Yeah. Like, give me,

like what do you think Kauai's binging right now? Like a TV show. Like what is Kauai? Does Kauai have hobbies? Does Kauai? Yeah. Does he play computer games? Like,

what the fuck does that guy do when he's not just dominating people? It's not on purpose. I think that's the mystery. And I think he likes people. don't know him well enough. The mystery behind him. Regular guy. Regular guy, man.

Regular guy. And I think he's showing it more each year. He's showing him more now. People are starting to see it. He's becoming more of himself in the media and letting people in. Now he's getting older and has his own team. You know, San Antonio wasn't really like his team. Toronto was first time like having his own team.

Do you think San Antonio kind of did that a little bit and made him a little bit more inward because he, you know, any other team he'd be the superstar. is he's looking at it like hey I'm playing my role this is a factory here like uh maybe so yeah maybe so he wasn't a superstar when he started out though so but just because of that atmosphere how that is everything is more introverted just all around right and they don't want us you know that they didn't really encourage social media wasn't as big back then they didn't encourage us to do as much off the court branding it was more of like we're here we take care of business we play we win games and you know that that's how we do things so but but also like I know he was

wasn't a superstar, but if he was on another team, maybe he'd be more central and people would have figured him out before 2014 or whatever, like, before he just ended up in the finals. If he grew into a different organization, he had different vets or different organizations, and he might have grown differently to where, you know, his normal would have been more outspoken or more, you know, messing with the media having it, but our normal in San Antonio was to be, you know, confined, introverted and not share too much to the media, which, I mean, still should be that way like when it comes to team philosophies and secrets.

But when it's your personality, it's okay to, you know, do a little bit more off the, you know, off court branding stuff. Did he make New Balance cool? I think, I think he did. Actually, it's crazy because the story, oh, you mentioned Matt Bonner. Matt Bonner still text me to his day.

And he's like, man, because Matt Bonner was one of the first and only guys with New Balance back then. But he still wore them after his deal was up. He just kept them. And, you know, he kept his, stock, he kept his, his, what's the name of storage. And that's, I think, the reason why his shoe busted open. Like, I remember that back when he played in a scenario where his shoe busted over, I think it was because he had him for so long in storage, you know, I was saying, I think

because they were older, you know, he had different pairs, but he kept his new balance. And I think he's still to this day, says, no quiet, man, he makes so much fun of me, man, for wearing new balance. And now he's with, now he's with them. And I never said they were, you know, I never said they were whack. I thought they were cool, but, you know, to walk around. And he's like, So Matt Bonner always takes credit for that new balance transition. So, Matt Bonner has to be so sour right now. And now you got a bunch of guys kind of getting on New Balance and said he definitely brought New Balance back.

New Balance can't get Matt Bonner a deal? Now, I don't know. A legacy deal or something? Just give the fucking guy a legacy deal. Come on, New Balance. I'm all for it. I know, right? Quick Spurs thing, man.

Okay, so Belich when I was there, you learn a coach is like you're scared shitless of a coach, not scared shitless. I'm afraid of no coach, but like you just respect the coach. You know what I mean? And you're like, I hate to piss that guy off. But also,

you could piss that coach off in ways that you didn't expect. Like coaches have their idiosyncrasies and their pet peeves. Like, what's the thing that people don't know that's going to get pop, red hot mad?

Just being too cool. Really? He hates that. You know, you want you to have some sense of urgency, some type of professionalism. but yeah he's one of those guys that has that presence as soon as he walks in the room you're like oh i'm scared of that guy i would never want to piss him

off and it never leaves he always keeps you on edge and frightened of him wouldn't say frightened but like respected eggshells you know where you're like i'm not going to do anything wrong to piss him off or mess up you know he's one of those guys and he has a short fuse because it happens real quick right i need to get my ass in gear um but yeah he truly if I had to boil it down to one thing because there's obviously little things that can do it but if you're any way to perform too cool or going through the motions

it's going to drive him nuts you know so you have a sense of urgency and you know go 100% and everything that you do and be sharp and be crisp is he somebody you would call if you need advice right now I mean even on other teams like what's that like in the NBA because if I leave a team and I text an old coach like people could look at that and be like you know stop talking

to you know Jeff Fisher because you're now on next team like you guys still stay tight no we still keep in contact and it's more so him reaches because he's still a scary guy to me I don't reach out to him as much I check in when I can but he's to reach out to me um and he's somebody definitely I would call or talk to to get another perspective because he's great with that and he kept us um even though NBA we were all in our little bubble and it's like Christmas every day we don't really realize what's going on in the real world yeah he kept our you know our focus on the but he also gave us insight to what's really important in the world and gave us different perception or perspectives of what we needed to know on what we need to focus on and he's great

on backing us when it comes to political things and certain injustices and you know minorities he was like you know this is and presidential things he because I didn't really care for that stuff when I was younger right but he informed us you know he educated us and you know he's a type of guy that said if I needed to ask about a certain thing or so he would definitely give you another inside perspective of how to look at it or see things or what he sees and history. He's great with history give you a lesson of things that you never knew or that's things you couldn't read in books.

So yeah, he's definitely got upstate in contact with and I still consider family very much so. I respected him a lot the way he handled everything over the last year with the protests and with, you know, what you guys went through over the summer and just, you know, speaking out and being, because it's really rare that you see coaches, especially in our game. You know, like, there's plenty of coaches that to support you and let you say what you have to say. Like, listen, I've said plenty of shit that, you know, but to have a coach that actually speaks on it with you, it's pretty cool. That's pretty. He's always on the forefront.

It's cool. He's usually the first one to speak out. He's on the forefront. And then, you know, his lead allows us to be ourselves and express ourselves fully when your coach does it first, you know. Got to feel good to get a compliment from him because he doesn't give a lot, huh? For sure. You're like, you're like lean in. You're like, oh, shit, is he about to, is he going to say something nice?

Doc is like that too. I like that. Doc is also on the forefront of that. He's not scary in the sense, but he's on the forefront of actually allowing us express a little, but he speaks out for us. And he's great with, you know, speaking out for the players and the league. So, yeah, that's what I like about and respect about DACA. He was a big voice for us in that bubble.

He was. He wasn't. Yeah, even when he wasn't in the bubble, he was. a big voice for us. Last thing, you've been gracious with your time. We appreciate it. You're doing something with Dove Men Plus. Dove Men Plus Care. Yeah, man. So basically they came to

me and a few others in our league. I don't know if they went to the leagues yet and a lot of other sponsors, but they were one of the first ones to come to us and try to back anything that we had going when it came to, especially social and justice, they can bring an awareness to the injustice and things that we

want to emphasize on, things that we want to change. And they're putting a lot of money behind it. They put a lot of ads, TV, commercials. And they're bringing in a group of guys, hopefully even other sports as well. But to show the importance of us as humans, as men, as African-American men, as minorities, Brown, of other cultures, and showing their support fully, man. They've been amazing in that sense. and making sure that we keep those names alive and that word and that emphasis and that movement alive.

Regardless if it gets drowned out because sports are back now, things are starting to get back to more normal. They're still, you know, they're doing a great job of emphasizing and keeping awareness going of what's most important. And that's us as human beings, man, as black, African-American men in sports. So I commend them on it. I really appreciate the partnership. I loved everything they brought to the table. and hopefully I can continue this partnership, you know, throughout, even when I'm done playing, and there doesn't have to be about money.

And so more so about us in our communities and spreading, you know, educating and informing our youth and also trying to create generational wealth. Right, right. And there's a lot, I think what you'll find is there's a lot of, Philly, I heard a lot of things before I got there. And it blew it out of the water. and then, you know, like the support that guys like Tori and Malcolm got and myself pushing some causes that maybe we're uncomfortable for some of our fans that might have looked like me. But like there's a lot of good people in Philly, man. I think you're going to love it. And I think they're going to get behind whatever you do.

And I know they could use that clutch gene you got, man. So I'm excited to see you play, dude. And hopefully when the pandemic ends, I'll get up there and catch a game, dude. And hopefully they let some people in. It'll be nice. I see you guys courtside. Hell yeah, dude. I'd love to get back up there. I haven't left my little town in six months. Appreciate you having me on the show. Anytime. Definitely. We'll link soon for you to jump on

my pod inside the green room, Harrison, Sanford. Let's do it. Whatever else we'll link up, man. We'll do a home and home and thanks for coming on, dude, and stay safe. Anytime, man, you too.