Green Light with Chris Long - NFL 2019 Home Uniform Bracket *Seeded At Random*

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

2:33 - Open with Macon and Dave Dameshek. 19:56 - Round 1, Bears vs Texans. 25:26 - Broncos vs Chargers. 28:55 - 49ers vs Seahawks. 35:33 - Browns vs Buccaneers. 38:32 - Redskins vs Rams. 42:06 - Saints vs Jets. 46:48 - Falcons vs Patriots. 52:21 - Eagles vs Jags. 55:43 - Packers vs Ravens. 1:02:50 - Bills vs Chiefs. 1:05:58 - Cowboys vs Titans. 1:09:09 - Lions vs Colts. 1:11:38 - Giants vs Panthers. 1:15:05 - Bengals vs Dolphins. 1:18:45 - Vikings vs Raiders. 1:21:15 - Steelers vs Cardinals. 1:24:23 - Rest of Bracket. 1:39:24 - Championship. About Chalk Media: Following the unfiltered voice and vision of Chris Long, Chalk Media is the interactive online community for you, the intelligent and humorous sports fan. Driven by access, Chalk delivers a unique perspective that cuts through the canned talking points and provides a variety of content from your favorite sports and entertainment celebrities. Here at Chalk, we don’t take ourselves too seriously, but we are rooted in challenging the perception of professional athletes. We embrace the “real” with a unique combination of humor and intelligence. Chalk is a community with a voice beyond 240 characters that brings a perspective and vibe to a traditionally brash and boastful sports media space. Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more. Nothing is off-limits at Chalk - hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Greenlight Pot. I'm your host, Chris Long. We've got a bracket day. All right, it's Macon's not in studio. We're socially distancing. I'm going to dial him up on Skype. We're going to try to hit this home uniform bracket extravaganza in about an hour and a half. We'll see if we can get there. By my calculations, we probably won't. I've got Dave Damashek, who's going to join me in Macon, one of the biggest uniform connoisseurs in the history of sports fandom and Macon would probably qualify as well. Me, I'm an appreciator, and I feel a little bit out of my league with these guys, but here we go. So it's randomly seated, all 32 NFL teams, home uniforms. You know, don't listen and say, hey, what about the bills away uniforms or the Packers away uniforms or

what about the throwbacks? We'll do that another day. We're going to have to be. We're going to Dave on talk all things, uniform, shoot the shit, and hopefully everybody staying safe, staying inside. Don't be Jerry Falwell. Don't, you know, don't throw caution to the wind inviting 5,000 students back into Lynchburg, Virginia, ignoring the guidelines of social isolation and the whole quarantine vibe we have going on. Be smart, stay home, spend time with each other, spend time with your family, and, you know,

FaceTime the shit out of people And consume content That's what we're here for I know it's gonna be a long pod We're gonna hammer out all 32 teams We're gonna go through the whole bracket Bear with us You know you can turn it up to like

One and a half speed If this drags out a little long Because you know Dave He's really good at this stuff He's gonna have nuance takes Making Will as well Thanks for listening Let's see who wins

The bracket for home NFL uniform forms 2019. Know some things are going to change for a few teams in a couple weeks, a couple months here. But as it is, here we go. So as promised, joining us today, one of my favorite guests, Dave Damasek of the Dave Damasek football program. This is the guy that during a pandemic can churn out a ton of kind of saved for a rainy day type content.

Dave, how we doing? And how's the content coming? Well, it is really sad that when you devote the entirety of your adult life to inessential nonsense, you never think you're going to need it for a rainy day, but guess what, it's pouring out there. I hope you long and the whole gang, wherever they're spread across football America or beyond, they're safe and sound and everybody else there for you. But yes, listen, you know, yes, there is this pandemic, but 1A on the, The list of items going right now is uniform talk is everywhere, whether it's

everywhere, the Falcons or Chargers and Rams and their logos and Tom Brady, who used to be on the New England Patriots as their quarterback, is now going to Tampa Bay to where that buccaneers get up. Everybody is speculating about uniforms and what they like. So this is a grand time for the conversation. Well, it is. And Make is a huge uniform connoisseur. As snobby as I am, I'd count him.

up there with you Dave. I mean, and I hate to use the word snob pejoratively, but you guys are connoisseurs, I'll put it that way, connoisseurs of the threads. And sports, which held society together before this, continues to in a bunch of crazy different forms. We actually had some of the biggest news yesterday and make, please weigh in here.

The two of you guys in Macon, of course, we mentioned earlier for those of you listening is joining us from his domicile in Charlottesville, Virginia, less than a mile or two away. What did we think of the Rams logo? I'll let you go first making. Well, number one takeaway is the orange Cheeto gradient on the RAM slash wave. Wave never popped out to me when I first saw it.

I saw the horn. I wasn't thinking L.A. beaches. You weren't thinking Fibonacci circle sequence? No. No, I was thinking Good Morning, L.A. You know, we'll see at 7 a.m. I don't know. It looks like one of those things that has the potential to grow on us.

At first sight, it looks like the L.A. Chargers logo. Yeah, well, at first sight, a little background for you, Dave, here. I was at one Making Gunner's Wedding ceremony a couple weeks ago when I first saw the logo unveiled on that Godawful hat. And it wasn't fair to the Rams. it wasn't fair to Demoff because they were really in a bad spot. Kevin couldn't deny that logo being their logo, but it was certainly a little bit different than the one we saw two weeks ago, and I was very hard on it.

Has your perception of a change since day one of the logo gate there where they leaked it, Dave? Well, listen, you know me well enough to know that I am a ray of sunshine at every turn, always glass half full. So let's start with the good news. one, if it would have been the blue and white that a lot of people, when they said they were going back to LA, there were a lot of people who thought, oh, they got to go fearsome for some. They got to go Deacon Jones era with the blue and white. And we saw what that looked like. Now, maybe we have become prejudiced against that look because they kind of half or two-thirds of the way went in that direction over the last couple of years, but they still had that weird metallic gold trim on the jersey along. It was a blend of as I. always describe it. It really is like what when you saw them come out in that blue jersey, but it had gold in it, but then the hat didn't and it just had the white horns. It was as though a little boy said like, I want to be a football man for Halloween and his mom who didn't know

any better went to T.J. Max and cobbled together what you could find on the racks and said like, okay, you're a football man, but a football man for whom, mom. I don't know exactly what's going on here. But okay, so we dodged that. And now the, here's the other thing that's good about it. The logo itself looks like you say that it like makes it sounds, it looks like it says LAC, which in our divisive times is a message of unity, that they're supportive of their stadiums in the chargers there. But I think going forward, the more important issue is. And in fact, you wore it, So you know this. The Navy helmet doesn't match.

Well, actually, I don't know. I guess you wore the, uh, the alt uniform periodically, the royal. Yeah, periodically. But I believe we had the Navy helmet, which was an afterthought. And in that Edward Jones, uh, yellow glow, you could never quite tell. But it was weird, but it remains weird. I mean, since, um, you know, since the days of Jim Everett and beyond the, when they went, when they abandoned the gray face mask, first mistake.

But once they go to a Navy face mask, the helmet doesn't match the blue in the jersey. And this is something that plagues not just the Rams. The Cowboys have this issue. The Saints have it. But, yeah, the Rams, they have to have a royal blue hat instead of that weird Navy one that doesn't match anything underneath it. I totally agree with you. And I'm a big proponent of the fearsome foursums. I think that you could almost, if you were the Rams, and I have my druthers,

and I cringe at the thought of them. reshuffling their uniform set, which is impending in April, they could go Eric Dickerson's at home, and they could go Merlin Olson on the road. You know, like, you could pull that off. I don't know what, but if the league for years held their feet over the fire from a bureaucratic standpoint and made them wear that jumbling, as you put it, a football man costume,

and with the gold in some places and the blue and white in other places. You know, the bureaucracy of the NFL is not going to allow that to happen. Well, you know what? There is actually an example, at least one that I can think of. It's the Carolina Panthers. They wear that black jersey with silver pants. Or they wear all white and there's not a hint outside of the helmet. There's not a hint of silver in the all-whites that they've worn now in a couple of Super Bowls.

Wait, did they? No, they wore the... I think they were white in the Super Bowl. I think they wore white in the Super Bowl. I could be wrong, though. Or did they make? Do you remember? Well, with Jake DeLone, they did.

I'm trying to think of Super Bowl 50. I'm thinking of the one, yeah, I'm thinking of the one with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Goli-Elea-Lielea-L-Lew-Elewere. I believe they did as well. Elsewhere. The Falcons wore the red, so, yeah, so then, yeah, it would have been the AFC here to choose. But we agree. We agree.

We agree. We agree that largely, you know, and not to tip our cap with the upcoming jersey bracket that we're about to fill out, but largely the Rams home, Eric Dickerson's, the Jackie Slaters, are a force to be reckoned with and should not be just scrapped. No, indeed. No, indeed. The only thing that's incongruous with the rest of the get-up is that they have that one white stripe on the pants. I say just do away with it all together. No white in the get-up period outside of the gym golf wearing. You're getting confirmation nods from making on the other end. It makes no sense. But, you know, they've come out and said uniform change.

So I'm worried that the ram horn now has this orange gradient. I can't find gradient in another logo or uniform in the league. I'm worried. I think you have to resist the temptation when the sports gods say, here's a franchise or here's your opportunity to update your get-ups to resist the urge of saying, like, yes, let's just take every color in the rainbow. I refer you to the Oklahoma City Thunder, who when they got their uniform, first of all, the name is terrible.

You have to end your team name in an S with very few exceptions. I agree. I mean, it makes it. I agree. Gramatical conundrums. abound then. Like the Miami heat is good. No, it's 12 guys. They are good. Anyway,

the thunder are like, they were said, okay, here's your new team. And they're like, so what are your team colors? And they apparently just said all of them. They just took every color. They have black, orange, red, blue, red. Yeah, it's, it's. No, choose. You only get two. You get white and you get and you get the sprinkle in two other colors.

This orange is, I'm concerned about where they're tracking. And one thing before we start, the other one when you talk about changing things, the one that a lot of people look at me crookedly when I pointed out, but it's obvious to other people who care about uniforms, is that the Dallas Cowboys, some people love those Cowboys getups. But they don't wear the same color pants when they wear the blue jerseys as they wear when they wear the white jerseys. They're like more like aqua blue when they wear the white jerseys, and then they becomes more silvery when they wear the Navy blue. jerseys. It's very odd. If you look at it closely, it'll make you crazy. I think Macon has beef with that get-up as well. Macon has a pet peeve involving hat and pants and the uniformity there. So just the mismatching of the two. I mean, I think that white

uniform is great. And if the pant match the hat, I think it's elite. But yeah, it is bothersome once you see it for the first time? I'm old, but I feel like there's got to be some people. I mean, listen, everybody sees enough NFL films with Sam Spence music playing and either Harry Callis or John Fascenda voicing it over as you watch Roger Stauback and his pals, you know, play the Steelers in Super Bowls in the late 70s. And that, they had like a light blue.

It was light blue. That's not what the current Cowboys wear anymore. Like I say, it's more light awkward or something. It's very, it's very strange. I don't know why in that. Yeah, the word I would use would be ambiguous. NFC South. Okay, we have possibly two big changes, right, Dave, right, make?

We've got, we've got Tampa, who's long overdue uniform alteration is in line to happen this offseason. And then Atlanta as well is going to be, debuting some new looks. What do you hope to see there, Dave? Well, I'm keen on the, they've had a couple of few good ones over the years. What they wear now is not among them, though. I love the Bartkowski, William Andrews, Blitz Gritz era. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Red hat, the two face mask bar, the Bartkowski's. I'm looking at him right now. Well, that face mask is just ridiculous. That's all the best wore it. Bradshaw wore that one in the Super Bowl. And yeah,

Bartkowski wore that. I like it too because it's that thin one that goes across, just across the QBs, just under his nose. But then it doesn't connect at the top. I like that. They're essentially the Georgia Bulldogs. That's not by accident. Yeah. And then they go, and then I don't know who did it first, Did the Falcons add gray pants before the Bulldogs, or was it the other way around? It's a cool little thing, my favorite thing in uniforms, and it's not just that I'm from Pittsburgh, although I'm sure I wouldn't celebrate it nearly as much. What's cooler in uniform kind of stats, if make one to form some proper stats around uniform?

And Pittsburgh, all three of their pro teams wear the same colors. That's the greatest. That's so cool. But in Georgia and then an hour away in Athens, you have your pro and college football team wearing essentially, like you say, the same ghetto. Yeah, absolutely. It's cool. Make. Yeah, we talked about it earlier this year, Chris. I like that black hat, the black jersey. If the Falcons remove preferably 100% of their piping, it will be an improvement. I've got logo and uni changes for the Rams and Chargers.

uny changes for falcons, bucks, pets and browns, and a tweak from the Colts, which will be interesting. Bucks, go crimsicle, get rid of the alarm clock. Yeah, Colts tweak. Who said that? Who said that?

What is that? What are they? That can't go well. Don't do it. Well, unless they go with a white face mask, that would look clean. That would make that already dynamite look even a little bit cleaner, I think, if he went all white, like they would, like they wore for a stretch there. But that's about as far a tweak as I'll accept. You guys probably don't remember, but when they first moved to Indianapolis, they inexplicably, it's kind of hard to even find pictures of it, but look up Mike Pagel or Arch Leicester. And they, in that uniform, they wore for a year

two, they wore silver pants. They had the white helmets with the royal blue jersey, and silver pants. It was bizarre. Really bizarre, bizarre is the word there. And in Tampa, we're hoping for the cream sickles, right? All three of us. Come on. 100%.

Oh, for sure. Okay, good. We got that. Hey, I realized yesterday, as I was going through the logos, the old logos, I thought that the Tampa throwback logo, does that remind you of anybody in that picture? It's giving me a bit of Princess Bride guy. You know,

Enigo Montoya. Yeah, Enigo Montoya. It's given me, I don't know what the vibe, I don't know who it was modeled after. I always hear that the Raiders logo looks like my dad, which is really fucking eerie, and it actually does. I don't know who the Tampa logo looks like,

but they could change the logo back with the uniforms, and I'd be just fine with it. Oh, look up a headshot of Paxton Lynch. Then you will say, because he's got that same little devilish chinny beard, like the fancy pants on the, that is Buck in here. He looks exactly like. You're damn right. Okay.

Let's get this thing kicked off. The rules are. Ask your old man. I asked you before, too. Why is your old man, if that's him in the logo or otherwise? Why does the Raiders logo guy, so he's got an eye patch? Yeah. I think we talked about this, but I'm going to repeat it anyway.

No, it rings a bell. I mean, the world was much. different when we did. True, right. So look at that logo, a couple of things. One, he has an eye patch. Two, his working eye is closed. What gives?

What does he see anything? Yeah. And three, the aforementioned eye patch indicates he's no stranger to tough times, as we know he goes out pillaging each day. But he's a raider, which means he is a pirate. And before he goes out to the street. other people's lives before he goes he's a hold on mates first i need a good clean shave what kind of pirate has a clean shave on him that's weird howie long i don't know i guess so right

i don't know true i've never seen your old man he would have been a force to be reckoned with as a viking or a uh or a pirate intimidating i suppose i think you need to address that ram head logo too where the ram is potentially asleep and there's a yes There's been a Twitter mock-up that gives them a fierce yellow eye, which might be a nice pivot. Yeah, NFL memes. You know it's bad when the NFL memes, which is presumably run by an 18-year-old, can mock up a better alteration or iteration, rather. And the weird thing, too, is that the Ram is ghostly because he has no, he has no pupils. And then people compared that to the Penn State Nittany Lion, who appears to be blind.

and that checks out with what we know from the paterno years, turning a blind eye to things going on inside. Wow, this is some Illuminati stuff. This is crazy. You've uncovered some serious conspiracies here. But the rules are, guys, and I just learned something new today. It's kind of like for a long time, not to go down this road, but the Atlanta Falcons logo for many years of my childhood,

I had no idea it was a bird. I just thought it was a shape, Ronald McDonald colors. Like, I didn't know what, did you, there's a bird in that logo. For all these years looking at the Raiders logo, my eye has kind of glossed over the fact that Howie Long is asleep, his good eye is closed. So very interesting.

This is why we have Dave on the bracket. It's why we're here, 32 teams. We decided not to complicate it. We'll see, you know, people love this stuff, but we didn't want to get it too complicated. by throwing in throwbacks. Maybe we'll do that another day. We are doing a bracket 32 home get-ups for NFL teams. We seeded it randomly because as Dave and I talked about offline,

if you make a bracket, you seed it. It's going to be a big spoiler alert every time. And you're going to be like, oh, huge upset. That's what Dave was saying. There's no way to carry out an upset if you've seeded it. Right here, we randomized it. And we'll pick the winner here. What we're going to do is we're going to go down matchup

by matchup and we're going to vote. I'll vote first, make a vote second, and Dave gets the gavel. He gets to decide in a lot of scenarios who's going to be moving on to the second and third and fourth rounds here. So let's start at the top. We have the

bears as a one seed and the Texans as an eighth seed. Like first discussion here. Bears among everybody always will cite them as a classic. The thing I don't love that they do currently or since the early 80s even is I don't know why some teams look

better, no matter the color of their helmet, if they go white jersey and white pants, most look better if they wear color in the pants. But the bears are one of the exceptions to that. Maybe it's my youthful affection for Walter Payton in his early days. But that all white on the bears is better than when they wear the navy blue pants. But if we're sticking just to the home jerseys, I think the dark, I used to think about what I used to think when I was growing up, I thought they wore black and orange and it didn't dawn on me until the mid-80s. Oh, that's dark, dark blue. It's very dark blue.

And they are one of the first teams, if not the first off the top of my head. They might be the first to do in the NFL to do something other than the traditional block kind of numbers. They have those more rounded off numbers and have since as far back as I know at least. So sort of trailblazers and making, I know you're upset here because tough draw for the Texans and you do like those Texans get up. And personally, we're going to field the Texans with a white pant and a blue top. You know, if you did the color rush, that might change this matchup because I really like those color rushes. The bears, they haven't changed. I look back at the 85.

I mean, you mentioned the tone of the blue, but they are old school. I like the piping. I like the even the G.S.H on the shoulder looks good. And, you know, the nice thing is any time you can throw in a sock like that, that's got some flare, and you can pull it off, that's a great thing, especially the away uniforms, they look awesome. And I think the Texans are a victim of living in the shadows of the Houston Oilers who would probably win this entire tournament. Yeah, that's a good take. For the people, just so they know, we're doing 2019 Unis. Yeah. And we're using the home, the primary home uni.

For me, Chris, you know that I prefer traditional over non-traditional. I like old versus new. And yet, George Hallis on the sleeve doesn't do it for me. I think there's too much player on that stock. I wish the Texans had a thinner red collar. but I like the font. I like the number font a lot. I think there's too much red and blue in sports,

but I really think it works. I'm going to be contrarian here, and I trust Dave will do the right thing, batting third, and put through the historical power. But I'm going to give a nod to Houston with my vote here in this first round. I will say I'm going to vote bears,

and I, again, If you Google Texans' home uniforms, generally the only guy who looks truly elite in every picture, not even Deshaun Watson does, was D'Andre Hopkins, and he no longer wears the get-up. The Texans have come a long way since the David Carr days, but I got the Bears. What say you, Dave? Well, I don't think there's any. We don't need to spend a ton of time on this one. I go Bears all the way.

But I will say, I'm surprised because I think that actually the David Car, era was better. I don't like the satin finish on pants. I know you do long, but I'm not big on that, generally speaking. But I think that they're so utilitarian. I don't know what's good about these uniforms that the Texans wear. The one thing that at least made them stand out a little bit was when they would wear the Navy pants was when they would have the red socks on them. That made them look completely different and much more palatable to my eye. What they wear now is just so blah. Yeah, you know what? For a long time, I felt the same way. Making kind of warm me up to the fact that it's a solid uniform, unspectacular, but solid. And the logo, at first, the novelty

turned me off. It was like, you know, you're really forcing the issue here, but it's a really nice, nice logo. No disrespect to the Texans. They're going to be sitting at home in the second round here. Let's move down to the Broncos and the Chargers. Okay, this is a in-division rivalry here. Broncos, they've had a lot of great uniforms in their history, but the Chargers to me, they're kind of one of the gold standard teams here, powder blue, matching pants and helmet making you like that. At home, you've got the white pant, the white helmet. Cool font.

I like the numbers in the font. You've got the lightning bolt through it. It's all good. And the Broncos uniforms to me, I waffle back and forth on them, but usually I don't stray much from the center line. They're kind of average. and they've revolutionized that curvy stripe that I just can't stand. Yeah, I remember when they were released and everybody thought,

is that supposed to be a swoosh? What's going on with it? Now it was novel at the time. It's just too thick. It's distracting. I don't particularly like the Chargers font. But if you give me white, powder blue white, that's tough to take down.

I think the Broncos, I hate to vote against orange and blue, Chris, our first two matchups. But I think the Broncos are in store for a redesign. Again, I think when they were released back when, awesome.

And now I'm kind of left wanting for the early Elway era. Yeah, I can see that. It's it well I mean it's unanimous here. Well, it's not unanimous but but the the ticket is punched. But what do you say, Dave? Yeah, the chargers have to advance here quickly. I was never huge when I was watching the L.A. era get ups because I don't like that royal blue with the all white underneath. I never thought that looked especially good. I do remember way back. In the late 70s, the Broncos did wear orange pants on the road, which was, which might have been a little bit too. much orange. That said, I think their best one. Look up what they wore in 94 when the whole league did

a throwback. Yeah, the 75th anniversary year. Yeah, it's the the Bronco with the guy on it had a kind of like, if you know what Don Quixote when you saw, if you read that in school, what that cliff notes it. That aesthetic. Yeah, well, me too, but the aesthetic on the cover of the book, though, to get to carry it around. Oh, yeah. We're pretending. The aesthetic of that horse, like it was like a bony, skeletal kind of thing, that's what was on their AFL get-ups.

I think those are grand, but that's not what they wear now. These are junk now. They're holdovers from the 90s. They're well past the time for an update. The chargers also need an update. And as of the time of this recording, we just learned within a couple hours ago that they are going to update those. It looks like they're going to get rid of the Navy.

My critique would be for them going forward. it is. It's redundant on your shoulder and on your pants to put a border around the lightning bolt. Don't you see that the lightning bolt replaces the traditional pants, right? You don't need to then put a border around the lightning bolt diminishing how cool it is that you have a lightning bolt instead of a regular old pants stripe. Come on, Chargers. Preach, Dave. Broncos, thank you. Broncos, see you later. Chargers through the second round. We need the Bull Durham's back the old Elways. All right. Three six matchup here.

49ers Seahawks, another division rivalry. How is this happening? Randomized again. Now, to me, I'm not crazy about either. I mean, in conceptually, like, you know, I'm all about the classics and the

Niners are classic, but in an era, and this might be a hot take, where I grew up watching football as, you know, a preteen or a teenager, I'm partial to the Niners. I know that Dave, this is going to be a contentious issue, but I'm partial to the Niners kind of Super Bowl,

1990s, it was 95, the Steve Youngs, the Jerry Rice's. Although they're classics, they just squeak out a victory against the Seahawks to me. Seahawks to me, you know, monochromatic uniforms at home, monochromatic blue teams I'll even take the Texans over the monochromatic Seahawks and there's a lot going on with the Seahawks you have like you know that metal

kind of you know what is it the when you have a pickup truck and you got to keep your tools in something in the back of your truck it's a what do you call that? Cowboy Reed a toolbox in the back of a pickup truck that metallic kind of thing they put in the numbers I'm not a fan of that

I'm not a fan of the font The Niners just get this one for playing it safe. Niners for me, among the best pants in the league, I kind of wish they would ditch the black in the logo. And it looks as I'm squinting at old Montana helmets. It looks like it was there. It was around that oval,

but it wasn't around the S and the F like it is now. I'm glad they've gotten rid of that drop shadow that was there for so long. Niners, iconic uni. I like the symmetry, helmet, jersey, pants. And Seattle can look good. I even like when Seattle does that Navy helmet, white jersey, gray pants, I normally wouldn't, but for some reason it works for me. I'm picking the Niners.

Seahawks just a bit too busy to overtake a traditional power for me. Yeah, make is exactly right that that that's the best combo that the current Seahawks getups have when they go with the gray pants underneath the white jersey. But yeah, these are again another example, a team hurt by better options in their historical closet, Steve Large and Jim Zorn when they wore black shoes. Why whole teams don't just do that anymore? I don't know. But that was great. That thing was never broken.

ever needed an update. I don't know. It was cool. It was regionally specific with the blue and green. I thought it worked. And when you mention along that weird great shape that you see on the back of a of a pickup truck that I don't know what you're talking about. Because we don't know what the fuck to call it. No, zero idea. These hands are, these hands are soft as smooth. But the, but you know, as you say that, I think that the whoever the uniform designers are for any league, they all add these little things like, that's a touch to the state tree that, you know, like, like, nobody cares. And I think it's the, I think it's HD creep, you know, like the uniforms that are cool tend

to skew, in my book at least, a little simpler. And all those little ornate details are neither here nor there except when it's in super close up and you're watching it on TV. Think about it if you're in the stands. What looks best? That's what should be the guiding light. for uniform designers in this analyst. Dave, making a plea to the every man sitting in the stands,

hardworking guys that bought their tickets and they're sitting in, they sit there out there in the cold in the rain in Seattle for three hours. They don't want to see the little details. They want to see the total package. And we had that with the Steve Largen's. A question before we move on about the Niners are an observation. The gold pants worked so well for them. Why didn't they work so well for the Scott Lennahan era?

St. Louis Rams. Why didn't it work? Because you look like Notre Dame. You looked like that was weird. It was like a division two school that wanted to remind people in Notre Dame. Those were not good. And the main reason is because you didn't even take the time to put a pants stripe on them. It was bad. Scrimmage get-up. They were not good. You're totally right. And all roads lead back to trashing the Scott Linehan era Rams, which... And let me just say one more thing. When you tempt the sports gods by changing your uniform, in the middle of a would-be dynasty, you only are going to be met with negative results.

The Patriots are the opposite of this. The Patriots now have the Flying Elvis, which, as we've agreed on previously, should now be put away for all of time, and they need to go back to Pat Patriot to get back. The Tom Brady-Rae-Ral-Ral-Stris-Long era will stand on its own in New England for all of time. Go back to Pat Patriot now. I like that. But when you do that, the Houston Rockets, they win two titles in a row. What do they do? They go and get those weird blue uniforms with the thick pinstripes and everything. Do they win? No, they do not. They don't win again. And the Pittsburgh Penguins, they win a couple of Stanley Cups. What do they do? They change their

uniforms. It took 20 years and a whole new millennium and Sidney Crosby coming to them to get back over the hump. Don't mess with your uniforms. The Rams messed with their uniforms. Put those gold pants on. They never won a Super Bowl again either. I really do. I will contend that I like the Yow Ming's though in Houston. No, you know, retroactively, a lot of those, a lot of those 90s NBA unies that we probably hated in the 90s look very good now. We talk about that. I will say that imagine a baby being born and having no control over the circumstance with which they're born under. That's how I felt emerging from the bowels of the Edward Jones Dome in gold pants.

With the Reebok sign, they were very stiff. They had no stripe, as you mentioned, and I had to zip them up. That's how old I am. You had to watch it while you zipped your pants up if you came to league in 2008. Okay, Brown's Bucks, 27. I'm not going to take all day here, but even with some of the issues with the Browns' Unis, and we're going brown on brown here. If you're watching on YouTube, you've got a picture of Baker Mayfield looking

just completely brown for lack of a better description I'm going with the browns I actually think I could do a decent job of swagging out that Cleveland Brown's home get up I would enjoy playing in all brown bucks don't even get a minute here their shot clock numbers

the ship is too the pirate ship is too big on their helmets the color is gray I mean it's not pewter anymore at least in the early 2000s, if you had a gripe with that color, it was the default color for every Chevy pickup truck. Now you've just got this stupid gray, huge pirate ship on the helmet. Get those Bucks uniforms out of here.

I'll give the Bucks the award for change I'm most anticipating this off season, and I hope they don't screw it up. Browns need to go back to Bernie Cossar era of yesterday, and they'll be great. A little too in your face when they go color rush for an entire season, but browns move forward over the bucks. Yeah, it should be an easy one here, even though the Browns uniforms, as constituted in 2019 in the years prior, weren't anything great. It's also weird that they're named the Browns, but their hats are orange, but I've gotten over all that. And I still, I mean, just as a side note, they are the Browns, and they are the Browns,

so they wear the color brown, and that's appropriate in the Rust Belt. And I, but I will say that it is crazy, just a quick detour. One of the great undercover things that have happened in the last hundred years of sports, there's a pro football team, and they name it after the guy who is the architect of it, Paul Brown. Then Art Modell buys the team. Then he decides, I'm going to fire you, Paul Brown. And Paul Brown says, hey, you can't fire me.

the team's named after me. He's like, well, that's what I'm doing. So, so, so, so, so Hartel fires the guy for the, for whom the team is named. And his response is, I'm going to move in state, I'm going to move down to Cincinnati, and I'm going to make the uniforms as close as I possibly can. And we got to play each other twice a year. And put everybody through, like, it's one of the most unwatchable games. I mean, not just for the quality historically here in the past 20 years, but Browns, Bengals, it's hard to watch. So I'll assume, are you going Browns,

or are you going bucks, Dave? Oh, I'm going Browns in a very tepid result here, and I suspect that the Browns won't be long for this bracket after they survived the bum bucks get up. Uh-huh. Next, we've got the Washington team, which was a lot of the one seed here, facing the Rams team,

which is a lot of an eight. I'm not going to spend too long here, you know the Rams for me there's they're gonna be they're gonna make a deep run if I have anything to do with it the homes are electric I felt like I've said this before like Jack Youngblood

when I throw them on in the dome the only difference was that we were usually getting our asses kicked and you know I hope they don't change them the skins or the Washington team you know when I was in free agency at a time I was looking at a team

called the Washington team, and I was looking at a team called the New England Patriots and a team called the Atlanta Falcons. And this was pre-Falcons Patriots Super Bowl season. So I made the right choice in eliminating the Washington team, which that was one of the more interesting free agency visits I'd have to imagine in the history of free agency visits. I mean, they don't pay much attention to what's going on there at all. So there's no surprise. They're kind of like, yeah, it looks healthy to me.

Like, we'll sign them. I looked at I looked at the uniforms and I was like yeah man I'm not sure I can look great in those uniforms now I don't have anything against the uniforms particularly there's just something off about them to me the balance

they might be a little boring in my book the Rams are electric give me the Rams yeah if the logo wasn't racist, they might have a better shot. Just go back to the spear. Right.

When I close my eyes, I see Mark Rippin, and he's wearing the white jersey. I think it works. I do. I think it works. But that L.A. Ram, the iteration we're looking at, is exquisite. And all they need to do is match the blues, and they probably have the best uniform in football. So a tough matchup for the Washington team that isn't really doing much wrong, I don't think. I like the burgundy and they probably call it gold.

I like that two stripe together on the pant. You don't see it very often. Nice stripe. But going up to stay juggernaut in the Rams, Dave. Well, I like, you know, I like when the redskins wore, and they finally started to wear them again, too, when RG3 in his rookie season, and then for a couple of years, they wore the gold pants with the burgundy jerseys, or even on the road, the white jerseys, those look grand in my book. But then I talked to DeAngelo Hall recently, and I said, what happened there? Why did you guys stop wearing the gold pants? And he said, every guy in the locker room hated those. And so out of spite for their bad opinions, I'm taking the Rams, even though they still need to match the helmet better with the jersey, and they need gray face masks, not navy blue, and they need black shoes, not white shoes. All that being said, Rams advance here.

Rams definitely advanced. And I almost forgot about that little era there with the gold pants that they brought them back. Do never show me the color rush Washington team, though. I mean, that's a big burgundy mess. Let's move on to Saints Jets 4-5. Macon, I'm going to let you start off here, because I might surprise you. Okay. Well, Macon's frozen. I just get up that I liked it. Repeat that, mate, because you're freezing a little bit.

Repeat that one. Do you have me? I got you now. I think when the Jets released this, I told you I kind of liked it. And I think he asked if I was crazy. And I'm now, it's now harder to talk myself into it. The Saints in the dome with the all black, I don't love having a lighter colored helmet and then darker jersey, darker pants. It's tough for me.

And yet I'm still going with it over the jets. that shoulder stripe is just something else it's a little too plain New York wordmark is unnecessary for me it's too big saints

don't feel particularly passionate about this one I got the Jets okay my favorite color in the world is green okay so I'm partial I'm also partial to not rewarding teams that did the early 2000 team thing. Before the early 2000s, I can't think of a lot of football teams that just went all black,

okay? And it feels like the Saints are stuck in, you know, that early 2000s time period when my high school football team, shout out to stab. We don't even have black in our team color rainbow. I mean, we are Stanford. We are maroon and white, okay? Our uniforms often look exactly the same. In fact, our logo is exactly the same, minus the tree. But we decided we would just morph into a team that wears black pant, black top. I think that's a cop out. Now, not that the Saints didn't have that in their entourage or in their arsenal, rather, for many years, and don't do the black pants white top. That looks terrible. But the all black to me just doesn't get it done. Something about the Saints uniforms. You can call me a hater.

but I don't like them. Jets, no matter almost what they do, because they're green and white, and they didn't screw it up too bad. Wow, this is a tough spot because I was ready to go, Saints, because I love the Florida Lee, and the color is, it's that metallic gold that I generally don't like, or at least didn't like on the Rams, but I do like it on the Saints. Again, they are hurt by the fact that they have better options in history's closet. Look at Tom Dempsey, make that 63-yard field goal. with the one iron attached to his right foot.

Watch Archie Manning in his early days. There are better get-ups out there than what they're currently wearing. So I have to knock them. I do like the Jets recent change, and I even liked what they were wearing. I like the name of get-ups, the updated name of get-ups that they wore for the last 20 years until they unveiled these. You know what?

I'm going to do it just to not be a curmudgeon and only take the more traditional get-ups. I'm going to take the Jets here And shout out to Chris Long for honoring the color green because I feel that I know what primary colors are. I know it's red, blue, and yellow. But don't you feel as a parent that when you buy a kid that green is more or less the fourth primary color? And yet we refuse to honor it. And we didn't even know it wasn't.

Didn't even know it wasn't. I mean, maybe I'm left in the dust here, not knowing my primary colors. But my mind has not allowed me to accept that it's not. So, yeah, I'm all about the green and the Jets. And hey, listen, Dave, if the Saints went throwbacks at home, I think they'd be better off. Yeah, I kind of like the all-black when they pull that one out. But then in that playoff game, in the wildcard game against the Vikes, they went with that weird, soft gold. And again, how hard can that be?

You have people's lives are devoted to making these uniforms and designing them. and working in a lab in the off season, how hard can it possibly be to make the colors, the shades of gold match one another? I'm not sure. It must be harder than we think. Jets are headed to the second round in an upset, the most contentious matchup of the first round.

We got Falcons, Patriots coming up, a Super Bowl rematch. Falcons are a three-seed, the Patriots, a sixth seed. I'm going Pats here. Classic. I love the silver in the pants. I don't know if they match, you know,

the Kansas State silver, but I'm always a big fan of the Kansas State get-ups. I love the font on the numbers. I love the helmet. The logo is solid, although it might need to go by the wayside, as we talked about. The Falcons leave the most to be desired out of almost any team.

And it went wrong in 2004 when they switched it up. Not the first uniform that Michael Vick wore. The second, and the shoulder designs terrible. the stripes are bad it's just kind of a disaster give me the Patriots and a blowout I don't love Pats

Unis I especially don't love their away unies that pant is hideous that blue pan on the road is hideous Coach Grove brought it to Seaville much to my dismay and yet

a lot of what you said is right good symmetry with helmet and pant number font I like I wish they would go with that I guess we're calling it a color rush just that that simpler that high tower you have behind you Chris yeah and I think that get up would be great if you lost

that too wide a stripe on those pants and I'm with you guys put Pat the Patriot on the helmet again falcons are just awful so and And it's high time for a rebrand, and it's coming. And congrats to them. I got the pets.

We really did get into a weird stretch there for a few years, and the Falcons are one of the holdovers, and soon they'll blow it up. Remember when South Carolina, they did the same thing. They got somebody got it in their head, hey, you know what, we don't just have to have straight lines on our uniforms. You can do all these geometric patterns. Like, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do. The Falcons uniforms are bad, and long you expose yourself as a homer here by saying that these are great, these patriots, they're not great. They're blessed. I've never been accused of being a Patriots homer. So that's awesome. I deserve some points there. Usually I'm the Patriots hater because, you know, I didn't know that if you left in free agency, you despise the organization. So we've got the Pats. I love the you. I love the you. I love.

I do have to say, I love asking what if questions. The fact that you have exposed that you went to the Patriots instead of the Falcons because of the uniforms, I really wonder, is Chris Long the difference in the Falcons lifting the Lombardi trophy? How different would pro football feel if Matt Ryan hoisted that Lombardi with an assist from 56 or 91 or whatever you would be wearing out there? Well, I would have liked my match up. I would have liked my matchup against Marcus Cannon.

I would have enjoyed the scheme a lot more. But when I visited there, they wanted me to play kind of a Michael Bennett role in Russian side more because they had Vic Beasley at left end. Also, the facility in Atlanta is a solid hour away from Atlanta. So that was kind of a downside for me and ended up making the right decision. Yeah, the uniforms factored in.

I definitely thought about it. but Dan Quinn is cool enough to almost put you over the edge there. So, yeah, it went pats. It wasn't all about the uniform. But yeah, don't forget that hold, Dave. Okay, there was, you know, people forget, okay? My claim to fame in New England. Was what?

Exactly. People forget. Okay, let me paint a picture for you. Trey, okay, they're up. What are they up? What are they up, Makin? You want to do it? Because you were at the game in the wrong seats for half the game?

Macon's at the game. He sits the entire first half in the wrong seats. and then realize he's in the wrong seats. At 28 to 3, he switches seats. The rest is history. What happened with the hold, making? Well, I don't remember time and score, but if they go, they're in field goal range,

and if they make a field goal, the game's over. And it goes to 11, yes. Holding call on left tackle. C. Long was going to get to the quarterback. There's a punt. Yep. And then there's a Tom Brady. majestic Tom Brady Drive

and a two-point conversion to Danny Amadola who joined us yesterday. If you hadn't checked that one out, check it out. So yeah, yeah, Dave, people forget, you know, as evidenced by the great Dave Damashek not remembering my shining moment in New England. You know, come on, man. Well, I

don't bury the lead. If the Falcons had better uniforms, all of pro football history in the 21st century would be thrown out the window. That's our headline. There you go. I love it. Yeah, I write this. stuff. It just writes itself.

All right, so we're on the other side of the bracket here. The three of us could go all day. I want to make sure we speed it up a little bit so we can condense this into one pod. We've got Packers. We've got Packers Ravens here. You called the wrong guy, Chris Long. Well, as long as you don't mind, I don't mind. Now, make it on the other hand. He's, he's, well, oh, yeah, we've got Eagles Jags. You know, I skipped over it because it's such a foregone conclusion for me.

Yeah. Could the Eagles homes be better? Could they bring back to Kelly Green? Could they do a whole bunch of stuff? Yeah, sure. But I fucking love Midnight Green. I'm very partial. I look at that picture of Carson Wentz there in the home get up at a night game. And I get chills. I just think about the link.

They're just inextricably connected. You know, the fans, that color for me. The font on the numbers, you know, the logo, the helmets. You know, everything about it is pretty good, at least pretty good. and the Jaguars are a disaster. Eagles were cool. I've had enough of it. I've had enough of that color.

I've had enough of that font. Bring back Randall Cunningham. This Jags rebrand is exceptional from where they were with the two-tone helmet. Like the font, like no outline on the numbers. At home, we're talking black on black on black. I love it. My vote is for Jacksonville. Wow.

Wow. Well, that's a bold pick, and it's easy to make fun because of the two-tone helmets that they used to wear the Jags with the black in the front and the gold in the back. And it looked like what if you left a piece of rollo candy in your hot car for too long, that's kind of what those helmets look like. This is a significant upgrade. And they're really, I mean, if you're not going to do what the Arizona Diamondbacks did a decade in and be like, boy, I don't know how we came up with this color scheme, but throw them out. If you're going to stay true to what the organization shows its colors to be, I think this is as good as the Jags can do. That's said, that's being said in the vacuum.

The Eagles have superior get-ups, even though they have much better ones in the closet. Yes, Eagles advance for me. So you didn't like the, was it Luis Gonzalez's? You didn't like those back in the day with the debats? I was okay with them. I didn't think they were too bad, but even if you hated purple. in green, which was distinctive, if nothing else. And if you've ever been down in Arizona, you see those colors a fair amount.

So it made sense. But then just one day, they're like, yeah, no, that's not our, the worst example of this ever is when the Washington capitol, who play in our nation's capital, red, white, and blue, and all that, one day they just decided, hey, you know what now, we're, we're turquoise, black, and metallic gold. Like, what the hell? Who signed off on that? People should refuse to attend their games.

Because it's a better looking uniform, but I agree with you. Not if you name yourself capitals in our nation's capital. You have committed yourself to red, white, and blue. In a vacuum, I will say that that eagle with the five stars and that color scheme works for me. But that's for another day. That's for the hockey bracket. Well, I'll tell you what. I will say one other thing I got to say about Chris Long's review.

of this particular matchup, another Homer move by Chris Long. I gushing a little too much about the Eagles. That Midnight Green is awesome. Midnight Green is awesome. Yeah, so we've got Packers, Ravens, in another universe of Green here with the Packers. Listen, it's hard to beat the Packers. We've seen high school teams throughout the country,

you know, and college teams even, imitating that iconic g the numbers are clean the stripes are clean the green and yellow are elite uh i might even like their their away uniforms more i don't know uh but i the packers for me as as solid as the ravens at home are and i mentioned my disdain for uniforms that just seem to go all black at least the ravens have that in their primary color scheme um yeah Give me the Packers. I wish the Packers' shoulder numbers were smaller, and I think that sleeve striping can be cleaned up.

That said, a very tough out. Baltimore, I can't stand that font on the numbers, and I'm not crazy about the horns on the helmet. I've got Green Day moving forward. I don't hate the Ravens get-ups, but they're not especially stand out in any regard. The Packers Classic. The one thing I will say, and I disagree with you make,

is you said that you don't like the overly or Nate's socks, which if you look back at the 60s, get-ups, that was an era where most teams had that kind of, you know, the Eagles even on their shoulders in the late 70s, early 80s, the Jaworsky, Harold Carmichael Wilbert, Montgomery years. By the way, that's a great name, Wilbert. Not Wilbert, but Wilbert. But anyway, I like the, I generally like more stripes than fewer,

and that's how you could doll up those Packers get-ups and make them a little bit nicer, but one way or the other, they're far superior. I will say the closer the both birdies are wearing. The closer you look at this Ravens get-up, the B on the pants, is minor league baseball looking. The shoulder Maryland logo, the greater state of Maryland logo. I hate it because I don't like the Maryland Terrapins. That was my first exposure to that state.

Although I really like the eastern shore, here's a take I have Eastern Shore over Jersey Shore. I know that my Philly fans will not like that. But I'm just honest and honest is my brand. So that's what I've got to say. Boy, no jive. You're firing here. You're firing here.

And I mean, another debate for another time is Atlantic versus Pacific. I mean, just go big, you know, two of our greatest bodies along. Yeah, that's going to be a tough one. That's going to be a tough one. Devices. Ocean versus. Let's not get political here. Ocean versus, ocean versus lake.

I mean, that's another one you could do. Rivers, rivers, rivers for the win. Rivers for the wind, Dave. rivers rivers over i lived i grew up on the banks of three rivers but uh give me the sea anytime frolicing in the sea there's there's nothing like it you go into it you know you you lay on the beach not as a kid because you as soon as you get there with your parents you're like i can't wait to get in the water and getting those waves but when a more mature approach is to lay on the hot sand until you can't take it for another second and then you stagger to the shoreline and you

You collapse into the sea, and then you bathe and you wash off not just the day's soils, but all of society's ills. And then you emerge born and new. That's what the sea does for you. Are you half drunk in this whole screenplay? No, listen. Shout out to the James River. Shout out to the Flathead River.

There's a ton of rivers that have been iconic in my childhood and adult experience. there's nothing more beautiful than the Shenandoah River. Come on, running through Elkton, Virginia. It doesn't get better than that. Moving water. It's just majestic. Wait a second now. Wait a second. Can you name the three rivers, by the way, that converge at the point in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? Well, who couldn't? The Allegheny? I think a lot of it. I don't think May could do it. I don't think May could name. Ohio, Ohio? Might be able to name one. Ohio River? Yeah. one of the rivers named the Allegheny River?

That's correct. That's the county in which Pittsburgh sits. Nice. Okay, so I need a third. Now, is the third the least well-known of the three? Yeah, and it's the most fun one to say of the three with a Pittsburgh accent. Is it like Aliquippa or something? Wow, that's where my mother, Mo Damashek, grew up along with Mike Ditka, but she wasn't allowed to play with him because he and his brother in the neighborhood. They were near-do-wells. They were known to pull down girls underpants. my mother wasn't allowed to play with it. But the, no, I'm speaking of the Monongahela River.

Of course. The Monongue Call it, the Maun, the Monongahela. My resentment for rivers perhaps is owed to the fact that the Alleghenia Monongahela converged to form the Ohio. And as you mentioned, as we mentioned, it forms in Pittsburgh. Why then does that bum state get to call it Ohio? It should be the Mean Joe River or the Steel Curtin River or the Lemieux River. Why do they get it?

They have nothing good going for them. So they take the river that is formed on the banks of Pittsburgh, not anywhere in that junk state. Golly. So, so, so oceans are making a deep run in your bracket. Rivers are making a deep run in my bracket. Making it in a few words, is it oceans, rivers, or lakes? It's definitely not lakes.

Lakes are awful. Oh, that is such a high take. I like to have boundaries. Rivers are cool, but yeah, the great expanse. I'll go oceans, close. I got oceans third in my ranking system of bodies of water. You know, guys, I'm into also estuaries, so we could throw that in there, estuaries, brackish water.

I might slide that in there ahead of oceans as well. Go ahead, make. making has bad internet at his home studio we could do another round of the jersey bracket yes

I'm definitely down well we have to do this again we have to do this again in three weeks anyway when all these teams unveiled their new get-ups and we're gonna have so this is all just a warm up anyway so we've got seven

we've got seven first round picks and by the grace of God we might get this all in bills chiefs uh gosh I'm going to shake this whole thing up. I'm going to go, let's see.

Tough draw. This is, I think, this is, so far this might be the toughest high-end matchup that we've seen. I've got, you know, and I will say this, the bills, all whites, they're impossible to compete with.

You know, that blue top makes them human. But I will take the bills, the bills home unies over the chiefs home unis. Something's up with that collar with the bills. I'm a broken record. I don't love the word mark over the number.

And those sleeve stripes don't do it for me. Kansas City, you know what you're getting. I'm going with the chiefs to move on. It's up to Dave. I mean, listen, what the bills did for a decade or thereabouts with Ross Tucker and Ryan Fitzpatrick and you know that whole crew those were those weird

shiny navy with not powder blue but with like Royal Blue and Red those those were some of the worst uniforms not just in NFL in sports in our lifetime Are you talking about the Aaron Shobles? Yeah

those Navy blue and like I say they were shiny and they're terrible like the Montreal alouettes. They're terrible. They were just, I mean, really, we've already moved on from those, but those were really bad. Make some good points about the subtle things. To me, the sweet spot, and again, this all is owed our respective youth and what we vibe

to when we were kids. But the Joe Ferguson, Joe Cribbs, early 80s were a little simpler and better than what we see right now. Like the Bill's logo is on their pants. That is unnecessary. It's weird. And the Chiefs are, you've got to give them credit. They have done nothing to that uniform since Super Bowl won.

I mean, they changed the color of the face mask from gray to white. And that's it. Who else can you even say that about in pro football? Everybody else is that. Steelers, Cowboys, whoever else you want to point to, have had more significant changes than the Chiefs do. And I don't love the red jersey as much as I love the white jersey with red pants, the best uniform matchup in football is when the Raiders host the Chiefs in their red pants.

That's the best look you can get. So I'm going Chiefs. And I would say this, and as we prep for a Super Bowl that had extremely frightening ramifications, the red on red, etc. I like the Color Rush Chiefs. I mean, if you can go red on red, I really like that, especially at night. So you've got the Chiefs. I lost out with the bills. The Chiefs and the Packers,

where have we seen that before, are going to meet in the next round. Let's do Cowboys Titans now. Cowboys Titans. You want to start making? Because I got to gather my thoughts on this one. I think with that Navy, Carolina Blue,

I'll call it begrudgingly. and the White, the Titans can come up with good combos. I don't have a big problem with that helmet, jersey font, different but okay, shoulders. I go back and forth. Cowboys is iconic, and I know the helmet, pant discrepancy can be bothersome, especially indoors where they play the majority of their ball games. but, you know, they wear the same uniform almost every week except for when somebody tries to screw them up and put them in the Navy.

I love that cowboy, silver, white, we'll call it off-silver get up. I got Dallas. Well, I have the Tennessee Titans. One, I finished my career in Philly. I can't pick the Cowboys. Also, the fact they perpetually play in that soulless stadium with just got no atmosphere. The lighting's weird.

You've got like Ford trucks, you know, in the end zone. You've got cheerleaders dancing on six-story buildings. You've got to drive the bus a mile under the stadium. And I know we're not ranking stadiums, but that's just where my mind goes. Give me the Titans. I actually like the colors. I used to hate the uniforms. I think they can do better, but I've got the Titans.

Boy, that's a bold one. I got to go Cowboys, and it's just hard for me to separate how iconic the star is and what it's meant to pro football. But, man, you make some good points. I don't love the best thing that the Cowboys, the best look that they have, look at them in Super Bowl 5 against the Colts. That Royal Blue versus the Navy Blue that they wear in the rare times that they're forced to wear it, that Royal Blue Jersey with Craig Morton is the QB. and, you know, when they lose the Super Bowl to the Colts, that's their best, that's their best home look. The Titans could be better. It's funny because this is the former Oilers, and they kind of have that old Oilers color scheme,

and yet it doesn't come together nearly as well. The thing is just same Steve McNair, Eddie George era, Titans uniforms, too. Like, for some reason, it's the same colors, and yet it doesn't work like it did when, Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini and company were running around in similar getups. Yeah, I'll take the Cowboys here. Yeah, it's about a balance, I think, with those colors. How much paint are you using from each brush? And I think they're a little heavy on a few colors.

But we all agree the Oilers would absolutely mop the floor with almost any of these teams. So the Cowboys, again, I'm picking wrong on the last two. Cowboys moving on in the next round. Who are they going to face? The Lions or the Colts? Quick answer for me, Colts, some of my favorite. uniforms in football um classic clean

good piping um you know good good stripes whatever you want to call it uh and yeah I mean the fact that you know there there are away uniforms are probably more to use the word again in this uh in this podcast palatable for me uh but still classic at home they're going to win out against the lions who I think I've underrated uniforms now

uh they've gone a little bit crazy the last few years. But still, I'm going to go with the Colts. The Lions, don't spell out your team name and huge font on your jersey.

It's on the sleeve, it's obnoxious. The font has gotten weird. Love the Honolulu blue, of course. Helmets great, like the logo. But no, they're doing a bit

too much. Colts aren't doing much at all, and that's why it's a good uni. Like the symmetry at home, like the all-whites on the road. It's indie for me, Dave. Yeah, I agree with everything you guys said, Honolulu, Blue is dynamite. For whatever reason, again, I just don't love those, what the lines look like when all put together, but the colors and everything should be better. Colts are dynamite. The only thing I would change about them is they should go back to the more ornate socks. Again, this is another one. They don't need that solid blue. It was cooler. You look them up, even Peyton in his early chunk of his time there, had those more striped up kind of socks. That's a cooler look, but one way or the other, I go Colts.

So we're going Colts, and by the way, if you look back at the Lions history of uniforms, the Barry Sanders years were terrific. The Raola years, not so good. I mean, they put black in those uniforms. Again, there's, I don't see black anywhere in the Lions' Ensemble. And those were some dark years in a lot of ways. Yeah, those were bad. Yeah, it was a really weird choice. Yeah.

They even wore black jersey sometimes, and then they look really like the Raiders. Really bad. Yeah, very bad. Very bad times in Detroit. Giants, Panthers, a one and an eight. Panthers, to me, they have some of the best, you know, like if I was a kid playing Madden, growing up. Some of my favorite colors growing up were black and turquoise, which is weird. Carolina Blue being a UVA fan and all. Sorry, make. But I do like that color scheme, but I'm taking the

Giants, your G-Men, classic uniforms, some of the best in the league. They make gray pants look good. You've got Sequin Barkley here if you're watching on YouTube.com against McCaffrey here. And McCaffrey, try as he may, cannot put it. this matchup over the edge for the for the panthers i've got the giants although i wish their logo would go back i wish their logo would go back one iteration yeah the giants are my club um and yet these don't do a whole lot for me and um when you think of phil sims hostettler uh that's another one where the blues didn't quite match up helmet to jersey yeah that's right they did right not Tackler. Yeah, the, the Panthers just, just settle down, simplified. I don't like the,

I don't like the horns on the helmet that separate toward the back. I don't like how there's, there's just too much going on, sleeve to stripe, to shoulder, too busy, but it has all the components, I think, of a good uni. But yeah, I got to go giants, but, uh, closer, closer than I would have thought it would be. I go the Giants here. I don't hate the Panthers. It's something, they've had those get-ups now. I mean, it's weird to think that the Jags and Panthers have been in the NFL now for, what, 26 years?

I still consider them like, oh, yeah, the new kids on the block. But they've been around for more than a quarter century now. I don't hate what the Panthers do. It's what I mentioned, though, at the top. It is weird and worth pointing out, all white. or silver pants. It's weird that, like, I feel bad for their equipment guys. Like, why, we have a whole separate pair of parents,

and we've got to worry about all the time now. The giants are good. I like the throwback, N.Y. I think there's something nice and simple about that. In 1976, I encourage you to look at, because I never knew it existed, but they had a super stylized, not entirely, it's definitely not an eternal look. It definitely feels like it's from the 70s. But look up their weird

helmet in 76. It's at least interesting to look at because I had, I've, I'd never seen a picture of it until a couple months ago. And very quickly, if I may, to make an earlier point, yes, pro football is our most popular sport. There are only 32 franchises. It shows a real lack of self-esteem if you feel obliged to put the name of your team somewhere boldly on your uniform. The Browns wearing the word browns on the side of their pants is really sad. It makes me feel sad. It's like we're a pro football team. We're called the Browns.

Come on, man. Have some dignity. I agree. We're pushing the Giants to the second round. Bengals Dolphins here. Woo. The Bengals are not winning anything for me. They need to stay right.

I know Dave, you probably agree. The dolphins are going to move on to the second round. You know, they're wearing these aquas at home, and we have Josh Rosen here in the picture on YouTube.com. Listen, if they're going throwbacks at home with the shoulder striping that I love, they'd have a shot at the final four here. But since we're settling on the more updated home dolphins, getups, I guess I'll push them through the second round knowing they'll probably lose in the second round.

I could not agree anymore, Chris. I think these are two of the bottom five in the league. And yet when you, the dolphin's old logo is amazing. And this new Airbus type logo, I can't stand. I can't stand the Miami Dolphins font. lowercase letters is just odd bingles I think yeah you put Miami

in the marinos and those throwbacks in their elite Sinci I would like to personally redesign Sinci right now it's just atrocious and I will I will also take Miami

Dave was there ever a time that the Bengals had a good uniform yeah I like, you know, there are exceptions that prove the rule as I make fun of teams that put the name of their team on their uniform. I like those old all orange hats that just said Bengals and big block letters on them with black jerseys. The road getups weren't especially memorable. But I did like the Ken Riley, early Ken Anderson era Bengals uniforms. And they just try so hard.

You know, I know the Eagles. Again, there are some that are okay. and then other people tried similar things, and then it doesn't work. Like the Rams, that's a ram horn, the Eagles, that's the bird, that's the wings. The Bengal stripes on your hat, like, come on, it's weird. It's cost to me. I don't care for that. I'm with you that obviously, I think like anybody else under the sun, ironically, with the exception, apparently, of dolphins' ownership,

understand that the throwback is the better option there. And especially, you know, in the 21st century, all the focus for, the commissioner on down on player safety and they're throwing that dolphin now out there without his helmet. That's that's, that's, uh, that's bad. The old, the old one, I mean, and the old one, listen, I know beggars can't be choosers. Fine. That dolphin on the old logo in the, in the hat with the, with the orange hem on it. Okay, he doesn't even play for the Miami Dolphins. He plays for some team that has an orange jam on the side of their hat. But again, beggars can't be choosers. It's a dolphin that wants to play football. Embrace it. Don't throw it out.

Listen, if the dolphins had, if the dolphins were the throwbacks, again, to reiterate, they would be probably in the final four. And the Bengals, shoot, they could go to the Willie Andersons with the, with the tiger on the shoulder, and they'd be better off than right now. Poor Gino, has Atkins, has played his entire career in that get-up and excelled. Imagine how great he'd be in say a Pittsburgh uniform and we'll get to that in a moment. So we've got the dolphins going through the next round. Now it's Vikings Raiders. This is going to be contentious, but nobody in the first round is going to be beating the Raiders for me. Raiders at home,

almost nothing like it, especially at night. Now you're not going to have the black hole anymore. I don't know what's going to look like in a state of the art stadium, but give me the Raiders at home in a blowout against the solid as Macon will probably posit. Minnesota Vikings get up. Love this rebrand. Much like I gave the Texans a token vote in our first matchup, which feels like weeks ago, I'm going to give the Vikes a vote here against the Raiders, which is amazing. But I want to acknowledge the Vikes Matt helmet.

I want to acknowledge how the Viking horn is displayed on the HECS. shoulder or the sleeve stripe rather a little bit different of a pants stripe and a nice number font i think it's a terrific uniform and they went up against um the one of the league's best unfortunately officially though i'm voting Minnesota Vikings in an upset wow this is a disgrace I mean, my name is on this. And, you know, the stink is going to follow me around now. How dare you take? Those numbers are, they try too hard on the Vikings uniforms.

The black trim makes no sense, just like we said about the lions, less is more. Get rid of that black trim and then I'll be on board more with these vikes get-ups. And in the meantime, get rid of the black face masks and go with the white. Remember the Tommy Kramer and Sammy White and Ahmad Rashad era? that was a good looking with the white mask. It really makes that purple helmet look even better. I don't want to say too much, but yes. Yeah, there's, there's, the Raiders.

Listen, I'm not going to shit on the Vikings, but I will say I actually don't like the, the mat helmet. I would prefer, you know, standard shoulder stripes piping. Give me some Chris Carter's, okay? give me some like Randy Moss, give me some Metro Dome.

Hey, listen, if the all white Chris Carter's were in this, they'd be going far in my book. But the Raiders on the second round, Steelers Cardinals, is there even a discussion here? Do we have to say anything? No. Steelers.

Well, you know, the one thing I will say is because we talked about this before. The one thing I will say, for the Cardinals is. This is one of those teams. I mean, I guess we could say that about at least 10 teams. Just go back to what you used to have and you'll be so much better off. The Neil Lomax, Roy Green, Otis Anderson, error, O.J. Anderson, before he became

Otis Anderson when he went to the Giants. That is such a great, and both of them are great. The red, the dark red jersey, and all it had on it were simple, numbers, no stripes, no anything, were glorious, as were the all whites that they would wear on the road. You can't lose with those, but what they've got going now ain't good. It's weirdly attempting to be modern, looking to appeal to I'm not sure exactly whom. Just go classic with those, but as it is, Pittsburgh Steelers, clearly, with the ongoing. I mean, how great is it that they just have the logo on one side of the hat? And you know that as Monday night football with Arledge on

down. We're like, hey, we're trying to be more TV friendly. And when we put the side by side of the helmet matching up for tonight's game, your helmet is all black. Can you go to the one logo and the Steelers said, nope? I love that. I love that it's just an ongoing middle finger. No, we're not going to play ball. Well, you don't have to. I mean, like you're iconic. And I was going to ask you this before we move on in the next round, because I wondered, as I sat there and thought, you have, and this is one of those things that if you're not a Steelers fan, you know you love the logo. And the logo used to be a guy dancing on a steel beam,

which looks like hazardous, right? Do you remember that logo? Well, I don't remember it from like seeing it live because that's like from the fucking Great Depression. Yeah, I think that's 50s or something, yeah. Yeah, so the three sparks is that red, yellow, and blue without looking at it? The three primary colors.

Okay. No green to be found there. Okay. And you know what that shape is called? A hypercycloid. Okay, I knew you'd know. Okay. So then what's the, what's the significance of the colors here?

They too well because it's the logo of the local steel brand there. Okay. Got it. You know, because in its ode to the Steelers are named after the heroes, the men and women that forged the steel that went into the tanks and ships and artillery that defeated the nazi scourge in the mid-20th century. So if you don't like the Steelers, you don't like freedom. I agree. I agree. And, you know, it's just like they're almost grandfathered in. I mean, like if it weren't for their uniforms being awesome, you could still make an argument just for that reason. And I didn't know that. I like freedom. And I like the Steelers uniforms. So make no

mistake about it. So we're going to go rapid fire here through rounds two into the the final floor. We've got Bears Chargers. I'm going to go with the Bears in a bit of an upset here. Dave, why don't you go ahead? Wow, I'm going to go with

the Bears. Bears the second round. Make, sorry. People get so angry about when I say like the Chargers uniforms aren't great. People are like, how dare you? The better uniform, too, by the way, everybody talks about the the AFL powder blues.

The other great one is the Air Correale, Dan Fouts, Chuck Muncie, John Jefferson, West Chandler. Those gold pants with a white jersey and the darker blue hats were sublime. Or the Johnny Unitas is. Or the Johnny Unitas is there, Dave. Right, right. Clean sweet, by the way. I'm going to Chicago Bears.

Okay, cool. We've got Niners Browns, and the Bears are waiting the winner of that matchup. I am going to go with the Niners. I love the Niners. Niners moving on to the next round. If the Browns go back to Bernie Kosar, they would have a shot, but it's Niners. I agree. I agree. It's not as lopsided as you think.

Niners moving on to the next round to play the Bears. Ionic matchup there. Rams Jets. I'm putting the Rams through. Again, these are the Eric Dickerson's. this is the pre whatever they do to fuck this whole situation up in April, uh, situation. I've got the Rams going through to the next round over the jets.

Rams. Rams. Ram it up. Hey, and by the way, I do want to mention this. The jets should go back to their old logo with the, with the,

the jet flying over, uh, the word in that retro font. Just putting that out there. Yeah. Freeman McNeil and Richard Todd and the New York Sack exchange and all that game. It would appreciate it. Yep.

Okay, we've got Pat's Eagles next. Boy, this is going to be a tough one. Jesus, who made this bracket? Macon, you want to go first? Yeah, this is tough. If we're talking about home uniform, in a nail-biter, I'm going Philadelphia Eagles because less is more. I'll go Eagles, and I've worn both uniforms.

I felt a lot more athletic. I felt a lot more springy in my fill. Now, part of that could have been because I was sitting in a three technique up in New England. Gold or silver pants be damn. I like the Pats uniforms again. I actually think that the Pats away uniforms are better than any of the Eagles getups currently. That's just me being honest. And I think that both both franchises could use an update here.

But I got the Pats. Oh, you're taking the pass. No, no, I got the Eagles. Sorry, I got the Eagles. I mean, this is the uniform equivalent of watching a football game between Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco to Matt teams. But I'll take the Eagles. Okay, Eagles in a clean sweep there.

Let's pick this side of the bracket here while we're on it. You've got Bears Niners with a chance to go to the Final Four here. I am going to vote for the Bears. Final Four. 49ers for me. Wow. You're taking the bears, both of you? All right.

That might be the orange and blue. That might be the Virginia orange and blue thing we've got going. That makes sense. That's what you guys are doing. You're honoring Ralph Samson. I don't care for it. Yep. Who is their great point guard who was the holdover?

Ocel. I can't think of his name. Wilson. Wilson. Ocel Wilson? Yep, making with the pole. I have his shoes right here in my office. Yeah, I'm sure you do.

He's got everything UVA up in his brain. Rams Eagles, this one for me, again, two teams I played on with a chance to go to the final four, I'm taking the Rams. Their home uniforms are elite, and the Eagles uniforms could use some work. And if they went Kelly Green, they might be able to go toe to toe, but currently I've got the Rams Eric Dickerson's

Rams it's easy and they're doing this without a matched up helmet in Jersey but it's the Rams that's exactly right make it it is kind of like the Rams getting to the Super Bowl two years ago with a faulty Todd Gurley the Rams making a deep

playoff run here despite some obvious issues or T.O. playing in the Super Bowl at all. Or the Eagles playing in the Super Bowl with a quote unquote backup quarterback, but we talk about that plenty. So let's go to the other

side of the bracket here. We've got Packers' Chiefs in a classic matchup again. The early days of the NFL, Super Bowl 1. Hmm. Me to go first here? Yeah, you know, Dave, let's switch it up.

You can go first. and I just want I know we're pretty deep into this for me to be asking this but this is only the home get up right only home get up because that would change this thing yeah I go packers then but as much as I love the chief's get-ups if we're just sticking to that home look it's got to be the packers okay I'll go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go packers as well okay I'm gonna go chiefs um that that outline around the numbers being the tiebreaker for me. But you guys rule the pack move on. Cowboys Colts. Winner faces the pack.

I'm going Colts. I'm going Colts as well. I knew you both would. I'm going to go Cowboys. Quite the contrarian. Mismatch. But that's a fine pick. Colts have a great unity.

Awesome. Okay. Now we've got Giants. Dolphins. I've got the Giants. Easy road for the GMs so far. I'll go Giants as well. All right. Yeah, Giants. And we've got the Giants moving on, trouncing dolphins, the Josh Rosen led aqua dolphins.

And then we've got at the bottom here with a chance to play the Giants. We've got the Raiders and the Steelers. Man, I'm so sorry, Dave. But I have the Raiders. All right. Take sleepy, howie long all day if you want to. That's fine. That's that you're right. I've got the Raiders just because as I look at the Pittsburgh home uniforms, I mean, this is a toss-up, right? It's a shame they met in the second round. I just, if I were a player, I would feel faster, more athletic in that Raiders get up.

So the tie goes to the uniform that I feel like I could wear most effectively. Plus, the Raiders have not been been imitated or redone, to my knowledge, successfully. Iowa, you could just roll Iowa into, what's that stadium up there called? It's not Three Rivers anymore. It's Heinz. And you wouldn't know, save for the quality of play. Yeah, that's so true. But, of course, that's because an assistant from the Steelers from the Glory Days went to Iowa.

and he said, I want to kind of see if we can replicate that success. And they ask for the Steelers permission to do that. And that's why the Hawkeyes look that way, it pains me to say, because I really do think that the Steelers have a top three NFL get up. They just so happen to be going against the team that I think has the best get-up. Wow. That's the Silver and Black. So I'll take the Raiders.

And I will say also, again, traditional and otherwise, and to be specific about the team name. Their name for steel, shouldn't their face mask be the color of steel gray instead of the black? That's my controversial position on that. Well, it's funny, Dave, you have the face mask pet peeve, Make has the pant and helmet pet peeve. I don't know what my pet peeve is. I just like simplicity.

Your pet peeve is, it was not pet peeve. It's like, did I play for that team? It's painted. Did I win a Super Bowl with them? Then I love their uniform. and would I play would I feel like I play fast? Would I feel fast?

I find a fascinating. I legitimately find it fascinating that that would, that a pro football player would, that for two seconds of his life, that that that would go on in its head, because that certainly would for me. Well, I don't know that it goes on in like, I don't know that it goes on in who ran that four three.

Was it Jerry Judy or who ran that, who was the guy who ran fast down at the combine this year? I don't know if it goes on in the, and John Brown's head or anything like that. But in my head, it certainly pops to the forefront. Okay, we've got Packers and Colts with a chance to go to the final four. Hey, if it were the Colts Road Unis, they'd be beating out any of the Pax Unis, the All Whites, the Tony Montana's.

I like the Packers, though, in this matchup. I'm going to go Colts. May it plus to do Holtz over Packers. And I got news for you. I go Colts, too. Wow! You just. That's a great get-ups, man.

They do, they do, but you just catapulted them in the final, in my humble opinion. You catapulted the Raiders into the final. No spoiler alert, because we're going on to Giants Raiders now. I got the Raiders. Wow, yeah, easy. Love the Giants. I really do think the Giants have among the more underrated get-ups. It's funny, again, talking about era that you grew up, and so many Giants fans love the LT era.

but I just think empirically, if you look at them, that this current version is the best get-up they have. That said, Raiders number one, so Raiders move on. Awesome. Okay. So now we've got our final four. We've got the Bears and the Rams facing off on one side of the bracket. We've got the Colts and the Raiders facing off on the other.

Bears, Rams, what do we got? I'll lead it off. I got Jack Youngblood with the words Jack Youngblood spelled out on his nameplate that iconic sign photo when you Google Jack Youngblood, the first one that comes up is the number 85 there. I'm just in love with this uniform

man. This represents for me everything that was right about a stint that was mostly wrong in St. Louis. For me, whenever we put these on, it was like, ah, we get a break this week. We at least get to look good going out there and fumbling the football, turning it over,

and yielding a 20-point lead almost immediately. So, listen the Rams for me are iconic I'm going to put them through what do you all say yeah Dave you might have mentioned this on that LA Ram yellow pant there's white and there's white nowhere else which bothers me and yet I'm going to put the Rams through and vote for them I think they're so close to being perfect which is why they're going to change it up this all season it's the Rams for me what say you Dave I know it's weird because we can't we can't really we have to mind ourselves here we can't give it to the Rams and then have them overhaul the uniforms although that would be a pretty big indictment of them changing the uniforms I also like I have to shout out make for calling it not not pluralizing it just the pants it's like you know he's stopping just short of calling them slacks yeah he's very particular trousers he's very particular pant I like the pant now I'm with you on that um

And yeah, I got to go Rams, but I, you know, I stand by the flaws of them. One flaw, though, is not that there were Jack and Jim on the same team. They had to wear their full first names because, of course, there were two J's, and so that wouldn't get it done. And the best thing about that, Jack and Jim Youngblood, both front seven members of the same era Rams defense, unrelated. At the same time, up in Cleveland, Ohio, there are two black running backs. Both named Pruitt spelled the name, Greg and Mike.

Like, unrelated. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And Jack, shout out to Jack Youngblood, who I'm certain doesn't listen to the pod, but couldn't have been a nicer dude to me when I was in St. Louis. And, you know, always stopped and, like, gave me advice on pass rushing. Of course, pass rushing changed a bit since that era. Jack was an absolute badass.

Would come and sit in our meetings and about as nice a guy as you could meet. Shout out to Jack Youngblood. And the Jack Youngblood Rams are in the championship. game awaiting the winner of the Colts and the Raiders. I've got to... Sorry to interrupt you. You didn't shout out his younger brother, Youngblood, who started the great hockey movie of the mid-80s.

Don't forget about Rob Lo. Let me look. That was quite a journey, too. Minor League hockey. You've never seen the Roblo Jim, starting Patrick Swayze. No. And a minor role for Keanu Reeves as a French-Canadian goalie. Oh, you're going to go wild.

What's a... Hold on a second. I'm Googled. Uh, okay. And by the way, the unit is not his actual brother, but no, I know, but I'm looking at the uniforms on the, uh, the uniforms, uh, could be, I'm guessing they're the Mustangs. I've never seen this movie. Makin, have you seen this movie?

Oh, it's, it's, oh, it's just atrocious. You'll love it. Oh, it's really, it's a bad, good movie. And Rob Lowe looks the exact same. Good for him. He looked the same in that, uh, NFL emblem hat that he had his, uh, his NFL playoff moment in the sun. is uniform police, logo police, mowing the sun this past the playoff season. So we've got Raiders Colts. I'm going Raiders.

I don't have to think hard on this one. Nor do I. Yeah, Raiders. So the championship here, okay? And we don't have any big sound effects, but if we did, we would probably make some championship noises.

I'll do some Sam Spence music underneath. Nice. Yes. Dun-d-d-d-dun-d-da-dun. Playing at the University of Phoenix Field in front of a cyber crowd because everybody is socially distancing and this isn't a real game. It's the uniform fucking Super Bowl. Rams Raiders.

Two California teams, two classics. I got to think hard. about this one. Oh, man, this is tough. Make, you want to go? I will. By virtue of the helmet stripe, matching the pant stripe

in no color matching issues, I vote for the Raiders. And I want to remind folks that that Minnesota Vikings vote in the first round against the Raiders was a token vote. Raiders are elite, and they're my champ.

Okay, Dave, do you want to go second? Were it up to me and me alone, you would have had the Raiders and Niners based on the way this bracket laid out. I sketched out my picks before we got going here, and that would have been my final, and I would therefore obviously play it up in the bay so we could take advantage of the glorious California, Golden Hour light. It makes all uniforms look their absolute best. I would take it against the Niners, against the Rams, or any other uniform, including the Pittsburgh Steelers, as I already did. It's the Oakland Raiders.

And in the meaningless casting of a vote, I'm going to go Rams. But the Raiders have the best uniforms, home get-ups in football. Congratulations to the Raiders. For that, you get James Winston and Free Agency. I don't know, maybe. a boy can dream wouldn't that be something James in Oakland

with Gruden I think it'd be fun I love I love David Carr and the car family but so I wouldn't want to see Derek get the boot but it would be fun

if five years later the Raiders next move was to after signing Marcus Mariotta was to sign James and let those two go ahead the two guys from the draft class see who's right and couldn't be any more different as far as their output and the safety,

the security with which you feel when James sidels, what's the word sidles? Did you know this, Dave? The word is not saddles, it's sidles? Yeah, it's a way of walking. It's a gate. It's a gate. It's a gate.

The sitele. Cowboys off at John Wayne's sidles. Well, so does James Winston. He will sidle under center. and then just throw it to everybody else. We're not sure anymore because of LASICs. So I actually think Derek Carr's got a bright future not to go down this road.

I think he might need or will have a change of scenery. I'd love to see him up in New England. I really would. I don't know if Gruden's got his mind made up, but I would love it just for the reality TV show aspect of it to see James, Marriota, and Gruden in Vegas. We're living in a simulation. but one thing's for sure.

A lot of things change. The world might be spinning out of control right now, but classic uniforms win the day. The Raiders are your champs, the Rams, the runners up. Again, the final four was the Bears, the Colts, the Raiders, and the Rams. These are very old, old uniform concepts,

and the cream rose to the top. Dave, thank you for joining us. Makin, thank you for being the esteemed co-host that you always are. And guys, that was a lot of fun. fun. Good times. I hope what percentage of people? I don't want to be pessimistic, but how many people do you think are still listening to our voices an hour and 45

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