Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Stadium Songs and System Bands and Dave Dameshek.

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

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Sam Spence is the guy who makes all the music, almost all the music that you love if you've seen all that old NFL film stuff. And then it's either John Fassender saying something like, there are 27 teams in pro football. And then there are the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean, it's the, like every time I hear it, I run through a wall like I'm the Kool-Aid man. And I'm going nowhere. But it gets me enthused. And yeah, that stuff's the best. By the way, if there are no fans in the stands for football games this autumn,

maybe they should just play NFL films music. In the background. Maybe that's it. You nailed it. It's a crazy time and we're all doing what we have to do to get through it. Two big things for me, this podcast, and we've had a ton of interesting guests of late, which has been great. And then hiking, which I love doing, like to get outside.

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Okay, so what we're doing here today with me and my buddy, Dave, who is perfect for this exercise. We're talking about music. I love to talk about music, but this is a different twist. This is something that we kind of stumbled into. Dave and myself in my mentions thinking about, I forget what we were talking about, Dave. Do you remember? Yes, in fact, Bomani Jones was talking about music. And you weighed in.

He said something about the Eagles. Uh-huh, is the Eagles. Exactly. And you said, I usually leave the Eagles wherever I find them. And you said, although I do like Hotel California. That's a side note. Do you ever heard that that's a cursed song? You're not supposed to listen to it at night.

You're an Angelino native. You ever hear that one? Really? I've heard, I don't know. I never, I should, I guess I'm not inquisitive enough. I've never actually investigated. My neck is standing up because, listen, and this is no disrespect to the Eagles. You know, my producer here, Cowboy Reed, loves the Eagles.

I come to find out in our group text, I start firing them like, guys, I get this idea for a segment. It's called System Bands. The Eagles for me are just, there's only one functionality to the Eagles for me. And we'll get into that in a little bit. But the whole concept is system bands like system players in pro sports are, if they're on the more systemy side of the spectrum, they really need that one, you know, functionality, that one set. that climate, that place, that time to unlock their potential. And that's not necessarily a slight. It will be for some of these bands.

But I put it in my group text. I go, this segment's killer. I don't know if anybody else likes it, but I really like it. And I think Dave might like it because we were talking about it. The Eagles are the perfect system band. And Cowboy reads like, the Eagles are one of my favorite bands. I listened to with my dad growing up all the time. I'm like, well, shit.

I don't mean. Yeah, well, no. Well, first of all, yes. Just to color it in a little bit. Yeah. You could call, I mean, there are only so many Russell Wilson, so many John Elways in the world, so many Michael Jordans who can thrive in spite of whatever's around them, no matter what their immediate surroundings, they're going to do well.

Kirk Cousins is a system QB. Most bands, as you start to dig into it, are even if you love them. I'm not impugning anybody's taste of music, including my own. I consider some of the bands that I like to be ultimately. I just had never considered the notion of time and place means so much to most every band you can think of. And I always denounce the Eagles. I always thought, what kind of, I don't get that like soft 70s rock. It just ain't for me.

I don't like Steve Miller. I don't know if they're in the same echelon, but I'm not a Steve Miller guy like that kind of. You know what it was for me? When I was a kid, I used to listen to radio a lot, you know, like any kid, FM radio. And I listened to classic rock. So I was just inundated with so much Steve Miller band, so much Eagles. And by the way, it's not like I think the Eagles are bad, just objectively they could use the right system. And Hotel California is one song, Desperado, another song, but mainly Hotel California is a banger.

That's an any system song for me. I think take it to the limit. I like the heart, but it never resonated for me until. Yeah, it's funny because you mentioned the Eagles. And then I was thinking just in the last year and a half or two, our mutual pal, I think, Adam Carolla, was disparaging the Eagles too. And I said, you know, I've kind of had a turn on.

I said, well, but I've kind of turned around on them a little bit. Because if you happen to be in the car or otherwise or sitting in a bar and the right Eagle song comes on in Southern California at the Golden Hour, it's as though it was made specifically as the backdrop, as the audio backdrop for that situation. And it hits, and you know, maybe it's chicken or the egg. Like maybe the Eagles made that music because they were in Los Angeles and that's what came out of them.

That's another debate. But either way, yeah, the Eagles make much more sense to me. It's a transplanted Angelo when I'm out in Malibu at the beach on a weekend and then I'm finishing things off with a beer in hand. You mentioned it, the chicken or the egg thing. Okay, so like I think Bonnie Vair, like Justin has made albums where he just locks himself in the woods. And when I'm listening, I literally feel like I'm in the woods.

I have to be in the woods to hear that music. Is it your surroundings where you're cultivating the art? Maybe that matters, and that's what people pick up on. Or is it something that's inherently individualized to the listener? I don't know. I think it's probably a little bit of both sometimes. Yeah, I hear you. And just to make sure that as we jump in on the specifics here, I think it's worth pointing out. There is stuff that is like, maybe it's the beginner's level of the game that we're playing here. But I feel like, you know, mood music, there's certain mood music and everybody gets it. Like Barry White exists. He's sort of the go-to people that people reference for like. Powerlifting. Yeah, when it's time to go between the sheets.

Right. Yeah, or Charlie Mangus. These are these are these are these are soundtracks to to what happens in the bedroom. And then there's, you know, happy music like Jimmy Buffett. I'm not a Jimmy Buffett guy, but I mean, to me it feels like from the outside looking in, the only purpose is to go out and drink beer in summer and go to a concert and check them out. I can't imagine I'm not a I'm not a Buffett guy, period. But I can't imagine even people who love. of Jimmy Buffett are like. Have you ever seen anybody listen to Jimmy Buffett in the cold? Right, exactly. That's the heart of what we're getting at here. Jimmy's on my system list, and that's a little bit of a tease. But I think it's not necessarily, it's not a slight necessarily. It's, we like some of this music, but there are some system bands.

And there's a spectrum. So, you know, we'll get into a couple that are kind of fringy, but they're definitely the experience of digesting that art is enhanced by the right system, just like players. We talk about that. I mean, it's a great analogy, and I think it works if you think of it within the NFL framework. Okay, so system bans. I'll start with the Eagles because that's kind of what spawned this idea in my head was,

I just think about the Eagles. And again, they're really unremarkable to me, although respectable, for sure. If I am outside out west, this is the system. And you mentioned it in California, but I'm thinking a little bit more like deserty, like painted desert, Montana, that sort of thing. It's an evening out west at an indoor, outdoor bar. It's got to be indoor outdoor.

The flexibility here, though, is that it could be a dive bar or like a really nice bar with boomers sitting underneath, those really nice expensive heat towers, the flaming heat towers. Like, they've got some, and bangers, that's where I would say that system suits the Eagles the best. Out West, indoor, outdoor bar.

Boy, very specific. I appreciate it. The, yeah, down to the heat lamps. Yeah, that's right. I think it's also interesting to consider, much like you might a league average NFL quarterback that like, okay, yeah, but he's surrounded by all this town. What if you took him and put him on the worst team? The Eagles for me do absolutely nothing. If I'm in Pittsburgh or if I'm somewhere in winter or it's nighttime,

they are for me like a two out of 10. But if you catch me, like I say, driving down PCH as the sun's going down and I'm driving north to the 10 freeway to head back home. Or I'm sitting there in Malibu with a beer in hand, a plastic cup, if you please. that suits the vibe a little bit too. The Golden Hour, by the way, for anybody unawares, is what you see in Oakland Raiders or San Francisco 49ers game

in the second half. When the sun's going down like that, it's the reason they shoot movies or why they started to shoot movies in the first place in Los Angeles is because of the so-called perfect lighting, the Golden Hour light. And the Eagles suit that perfectly for me, and I will listen to them without complaint,

unless I am not in that exact setting, then I will complain. if they're the if they're kirk cousins p c h is the uh is the play action pass i mean it's it's it's a great analogy uh they can be certainly elite but uh the right things have to be going on around and the car the convertible is dalvin cook is that right i i don't want to get convertible is dalvin cook the convertible is dalvin cook and then justin jefferson might be uh you know a pacifico we'll see see i look at your you're you're you're glasses half full with, uh, with, with, with him. See? That's very good. That's well done.

I do like Justin Jefferson. All right. So, so give me, uh, give me one. We both start with the Eagles. I'll go the, I'll go the other way from this. And I will go with Radiohead, who is in my top 10 favorite bands, some of their records. Okay, computer, were I to cobbled it together my top 10 favorite albums, period. Um, okay, a computer would be in it. But it does have the asteroid. which is like I don't find myself listening to OK computer in Los Angeles. You know, it's a very particular weather and it's obviously, as you know, it's temperate. Yeah, it's moody. This OK computer is perfect in late February and it's seven degrees and you're in some hipster bar on the outskirts.

the more vaguely dangerous sections of the north side of Chicago. And that whole album comes on the jukebox because the hipster bartender has access to the jukebox that night. And he's playing his favorite for you. Is the hipster 45? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. He's a little old to be hanging on doing the hipster thing. Yeah, but you know what, man? He could go corporate. TGIF has called him more than once. But dude, he gets. He gets his run of the bar. You know, he's like a king back there, dude.

Yeah, he's the wiser, older guy. Kid A, kid A, that goes for times 10. Kid A is as distinct an album that I guess would be classified as, you know, broader rock music. I don't know exactly how it's more like a movie soundtrack, but either way, that one, talk about a particular record that definitely requires a place in time. Kid A is that.

This just in from Cowboy Reed via the hotline here. People think Hotel California has satanic meanings. Well, that makes sense with the call to action to avoid listening to it after dark. Well, yeah, that, yeah, that jobs with what we're saying. It is weird, though, more specific to you. You see the irony in you wearing a Super Bowl ring or I hope you don't actually wear the Super Bowl ring. It looked very strange. No, I don't.

Like honestly, sometimes it scares me. It takes five seconds for me to realize where they are. It's as big as your head. Listen, I come down on all those guys evenly. Any Super Bowl guy, I'm like, what are you wearing that thing? Listen, I would rather lose my Super Bowl ring than my Super Bowl confetti that I scooped up after each one. You got some of that. I got some green and white confetti.

Yeah. Sitting downstairs and I don't even like the Eagles. I always know where it is. That's weird. I wonder if I like the Philadelphia Eagles or the Eagle Eagles better. I don't know which, but it's weird that you don't like the band name Eagles. Yeah, I know.

It's weird. Somebody could pluck this whole segment and be like, Chris and Dave, Hey, The Eagles, Dave drag Chris and talking about it. But yeah, I could see Satanic because I,

you know, they stab it with their knives and they can't kill the beast. It sounds like there's a seance going on and like, you got to find it. It's in the back of some gothic-looking hotel in California where we're weird. shit happens. Somehow you guys got a lot of haunted places in that state. Dave, radio head for me is a band that I'm really trying to force getting into. So if you can make me

a playlist, I mean, like, I know I think I would like them, but there's something about them that I'm just trying to feel my way out on. I hear you. I hear you. All right. I'll get cracking on that one. What's your next one? Uh, give me, give me Kenny Loggins. Okay, he's the king of soundtracks. It took me a second to put this together, but Kenny Loggins. Just made fucking songs for movies. I mean, it was obviously Caddy Shack, which I knew, footloose. But I didn't realize that he did the Top Gun song, too. Oh, yeah.

That might be his best. I went to, of course, yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, Kenny Loggins, for me, that's not really my type of music. I know it's very 80s and it's almost like secure. He also, can I, well, right, but I think he also, I might be mistaken about this, but in the famed volleyball scene, when they get all lathered up shirtless, the four hunks,

one hunkier than the next, when they play the volleyball game against Iceman. Iceman and another guy. I think the soundtrack to that scene is Kenny Loggins, singing, playing with the boys. Yeah, for me, Kenny Loggins, so you've got next. I will go with, I guess, fairly obvious here. and also kind of what we're getting at here.

I think there are major divisions to make cold versus warm, night versus day. Some bands don't play when the sun is shining. Other bands don't really make sense when the sun goes down. I think the quintessential one that's a little bit too obvious. I was surprised when I was about like 35 and I saw like the frat kids, like the popular college kids, really into Jack John. And that was another one. I was like, this? Like, what kind of sound is this that, that, wait, the cool kids are, this is what they're into? What? And again, if you're at the beach and you're not just on a

college campus, but you're at USC before the Trojans play someone they're about to beat up, beat up on with Reggie Bush and Matt Leinert and company. And they're playing that. It's like, oh, I guess I see the atmosphere that this works in here. Jack Johnson to me is, listen, I really like Jack Johnson when I was in high school, but for me to continue a lifelong appreciation for Jack Johnson, his music would have had to change a little bit. Well, yeah, and I'll say in a bigger way that, you know, again, talk about favorite albums of all time in my top five would, or top three would be eat a peach. But, and you know, Bob Bar, and you know, I used to go,

I used to love to go to see the dead in summertime at an outdoor venue and sit on the grass and, you know, perfect July night and, you know, be out in the parking lot all day and your sun goes down over drums and all that kind of stuff. But again, none of those bands, eat a peach is a spectacular record. But it also is just not one that ever was broken out

for me, you know, driving around at night, not, you know, not at a tailgate, not to anything. I could listen any time to Eat a Peach. And by the way, what's your favorite song on Eat a Peach? Or give me your favorite three? Blue Sky. Yeah, Melissa. Leave your mind alone and just get high. I love, I love Melissa. I love Sweet Melissa's.

I always thought it was called Sweet Melissa. Well, I forget sometimes. It's just Melissa, but ain't wasting time no more is my favorite. Oh, that's a great. So I really am of the age that grew up on CDs where you just, where you don't know the names of songs, you just know the order. Just like, and I'm in the age where you don't know the album with some of the older. Yeah.

If somebody asked me, what's my favorite Waylon Jennings album? I'm like, I don't know. The one with this song on it? Like, you know, and yeah, it's, it works the opposite for older dudes. I think that the, but the instrumental, the acoustic guitar instrumental towards the back of Eda Peach is, is as lovely. Not, no, not Mountain Jam. The brief two minute.

Little Martha. Little Martha. There you go. That's about as a lovely chunk of music that is hard to not make you feel more positive about the human condition. the planet Earth and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and you're like, why is it two minutes? Yeah.

It just ends on a really positive note to your point. So I think that's a great. I like the album in any weather. You mentioned Bob Marley. That's a good one. I mean, I could see that. I had buddies in my group texts that were like, Bob Marley is a system band.

Or Bob Marley and the Whalers are a system band. I tend to disagree because I think what saves them, I think no woman, no cries moody enough to be rainy day. music, it's nighttime music. I think could you be loved could play anywhere, anytime, any nightclub, anything. I guess you're right. Yeah, that's true. Although, again, like, I'm just trying to think off the top of my head. Has I, have I ever kind of been in the mood of I ever gone to Bob Marley in the last five to ten years at night? I'll tell you what it is fun for, what it's great for I'm finding with the five and three-year-old is Marley plays great with the with the toddler with

the toddler demo yeah that's really that's actually very true they really do like Bob Marley they also they also love baby beluga Rafi Rafi Rafi Rafi yeah well that's made for the for the toddler I know I was like should I be an asshole and say Rafi's a system no but actually I think one guy that that that supposed to be a system act is raffy and and I could listen to a couple of his songs on the back porch I swear he's got a couple that are made for everybody well listen I say I look at you see not not applying labels in advance that keeping your mind open to the sounds that's the point I've been accused by I'm plainly not a hipster but I've been accused by others of aspiring I'm not going to name names here, but there, I know a couple of people who are big, unironic Huey Lewis and the news fans. Like, I mean, that's their favorite band and they drive around in the car listening to him when no one's there. And I always say, that's the measure. If you like that, then listen to whatever you want. Right. To dictate to you. Right. But the idea that anybody,

including me, is listening to Lonesome Crowded West by Modest Mouse because I want people to think I'm hip is a pretty big reach. Like if I'm alone, who am I impressing other than I am I trying to trick myself by convincing myself I'm hip? Right. You know, the true test is can you sit there at night and just listen to it working or whatever? You mentioned modest mouse.

There's only one modest mouse song that I really know or like for that matter. Is that what's the most popular modest mouse song? It's a well, see, now I will be hip because their breakout song that made them their big pop hit was, um, Floodon, right. Floodon's the one I like. That's a good song, but a lot of the hipsters will tell you, they went for, um, for big success there. That's the, that's the thing.

You gotta like it's, it's like people like to be in a group that discovered something or be one of the few, the select few to get it before anybody else. And then once it becomes mainstream, then, then it no longer is cool. But, um, but, you know, I would advise, Lonesome Crowded West and one of the best names for an album ever by anybody but Modest Mouse has a great one called

This is a long drive for someone with nothing to think about And it's not just a great name I mean a lot of that Radio people in 96 were like God I got to say this whole fucking album name Every time I'm big on like I'm big on perfect from now on by Built to Spill Built to Spill is one of my very favorites

It's very sort of of a time and place, mid-90s kind of, you know, skews to my demo, I guess. So my next system band is, okay, this is going to hurt some people's feelings. Probably none of the demo of my podcast, but the Beach Boys to me. They're a system band on steroids. I mean, they're literally old car museums and like a sonic drive-thru. it. You know, like just that kind of ambient noise when you pay $5 to come in and look at a bunch of stuff you could buy at an antique store like a shitty antique store on a roadside on Route 66. That's the ambient noise, the beach boys. I cannot stand the beach boys. Give me Chris Isaac

way, way before the beach boys. Yeah, I mean, again, that's, I guess I would describe them a little bit like I would Eagles music, which is like, yeah, I have a much more tolerant and get it much better in Southern California. But I'm with you. It's kind of like people swoon over sonically what they did and the experimenting on there. But again, it's a little bit like football uniforms, I guess on some level. It's like, I don't need a whole backstory on why this is great. Like, I never got into Rush as a, for instance, like you don't understand. like math rock to me kind of goes against the whole point of it it's supposed to hit you in the gut and heart i don't need i i don't need the thinking man's music necessarily you know and if it's

not speaking to you automatically there's no use slowing people down to like the music that you like i mean there's no use being like listen harder or you know like i could see like if there's something where you're trying to convince me of a band you throw together a 10 song playlist the essentials that might appeal to me but if i've really got a squint I'm not going to see it. So, yeah, for me, the beach boys, I also want to throw in Jimmy Buffett, who we talked about earlier,

just the beach, I agree. Not every beach, I think mostly Gulfside beaches in Florida. So, like, if Jimmy is, he's the key. I completely get what you mean by that, too. Yeah, because I feel like more of the older dudes are going to hang out in the Gulf that want to just be in sandals.

Like, they're not listening to Jimmy Buffett in what's that really expensive town in Florida on the on the coastal side but they're not listening to jimmy buffett for sure in Miami and work your way up the Atlantic side of that state uh you're not seeing a lot of Tommy bahama dudes um i think i think listen the song five o'clock somewhere Alan jackson jimmy is a banger certifiable banger and i don't dislike his music i once went to a jimmy buffet concert with uh jeff fisher the jeff fisher What?

Yeah, we bought, we just the two of you. No, we, Dave McGinnis was there as well. If you know Dave McGinnis, who's all-time classic, at this point in his career, he was, he had a pretty good gig with the Rams, but he was a head coach in the in. Sure, I remember him with the Cardinals. We brought a couple guys on the D-line who, let's just say, had never heard Jimmy Buffett before. And they were just shocked. It was almost a religious experience of old white dudes. with these flower shirts.

It was like a, you know, like there's some magnet that drew them there from 100 miles wide in every direction. But I think Jimmy, I agree, is an obvious system. I think that I think the clear distinction to be made, it's not just age-based. I think if you're somebody who's like, what's the summer lineup coming through town?

Like, oh, Jimmy Buffett, the people who vibe to that are people who like their beer. And then the dead are people who, want to burn tree or drop something. That's the clear line of distinction. I remember I once went and saw a double build. I've seen so many create, well, that's a, we can have that at another time,

but the three kind of, I once saw the woo open up for the almond brothers. I once saw smashing pumpkins open up for Nirvana. Wow. On the in utero tour. and the best serendipity ever, I went to a little place right in the shadow, literally in the shadow of Wrigley Field, and I went there to see De La Sol,

and opening for them was Fishbone. I don't know if you've ever, and this was the early 90s right before things imploded for Fishbone. If you've never said, I hear tell that they're still awesome live. They are really at the very top of the best live shows I've ever seen on my life. Fishbone. Blew me away.

Yeah, they were spectacular. Now, anyway, I don't know. What I'm getting here is bone fish grill. I'm getting, I'm getting fish bones. There's a seafood restaurant in Greensboro, North Carolina. Fishbone has got to do a better job of placing an electronic. Oh, real hard. Like, what they play, their records are weird, like kind of, they're not punk exactly.

They're kind of like, they almost have like a. metal kind of thing to them. But when you see them live, they just play real hard funk music. Like really hard. And it's marvelous in person. But I'll go with, I was also going to say, I'll throw one in since we were talking about the daytime. I like Bell and Sebastian. I hope that's not too off the, two out of the mainstream. Listen, I had never listened to them. I'd heard of them. And I went and listened to them today. I don't have a lot of interest in continuing to do that, but you did say it was a daytime thing. I like them. Specifically, on a weekend morning, every day is a weekend now.

But on a weekend morning, like Saturday morning, you put Bell and Sebastian on while you're making omelets or whatever for the kids when you're making up the breakfast for them. It's delightful accompanying music for it. But specific to driving, because I keep mentioning that, I will say the white stripes, smashing pumpkins, Nirvana to some degree, rage, Ramones. You're seeing a pattern here in sounds. the pixies. These all suit driving.

And then there's a subsection to that driving at night. Then you go Fugazi, stiff little fingers, the misfits, and so on. This is funny because you sent me a couple of these for driving. And I started thinking about what my, and there's truly, there's music you drive to in the daytime and there's music you drive to at night. And these bands to me that I'm going to mention are certainly not system bands. But there's one album that matches the contents visually. of the cover of the album perfectly

with the functionality, and that's yield by Pearl Jam. Long daytime road trip. I'm talking about just like it looks through Colorado, Nebraska, one of those things. You've got faithful, giving a fly, evolution, in hiding. They're all bangers. And by the way, Purple by Stone Temple Pilots, again, Interstate Love Song, Coincidence,

chicken or the egg. I don't know if it planted the seed in my head, but I can remember when my dad was doing Firestorm, swear to God, this is a classic movie. You don't have to tell me. I don't have to tell anybody, really. My dad, we- What they named that puck, that flying puck after. Is that what they named it after? No, no. Well, you sent me a picture. Did you send me a picture that day of Christian Slater, kicking my dad out of a train? I did, yeah. That was in Broken Arrow. Firestorm was the one where he got even and he was the protagonist and he got to actually live to the end. So we vacationed to Montana and drive across the state. Montana latitude-wise is about 12 hours wide.

So I just remember all we had was that Stone Temple Pilots album, Purple. And we just big empty interstate love song. Roadhouse Blues by the doors is a great driving. song for the beginning of your trip. I like the doors. The doors, that's a great point. That is great road trip in music. And I know it's not cool to like the doors because Jim Morrison,

a lot of people are down on them because they find Jim Morrison to be pretentious and cheesy a little bit. But it's like, well, couldn't you tag a lot of front men with that? All of them. It requires a certain kind of personality and a self-belief and confidence that I don't possess, but so I find them all on some level kind of unlikable. But yeah, that's, the doors, what can you say? I guess you could say this about terrible bands too, but I think it's worth something about the doors in their favor that three seconds in to any song, you know it's the doors. Isn't that?

I mean, that's got a, that's got a, it's like, it's also true of the Grateful Dead. You can tell, that's Jerry Garcia playing in the guitar. That has to matter a little bit. Oh, but ghamma, bang, bong, bong. Boy, that's pretty good. Yeah. That's exactly. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The beginning of the, beginning of fire on the mountain is just like, okay, it's, this is the dead and this is what I don't want to offend any deadheads because I do like the dead. I actually have a grateful dead t-shirt on, but I'm one of those casual dead head that, you know, I'm not dead head, but I had this argument with somebody else that you can be a casual dead fan. You don't have to be a dead head per se. I don't want to offend dead heads or anybody else,

but like I say, generally speaking, zealot ruin everything. King, the the eastbound and down theme, if you remember that theme, Freddie King going down, that's a great one. And then if it's nighttime, give me some Texas flood, Stevie Ray Vaughn. Yeah. Ray Vaughn, give me some, the Duke by Blind Melons, one of my favorite songs. Any, you know, Blind Melon at night for some reason for me. I mean, that's one that's off the wall.

And then give me some Pink Floyd at night. I know that I'm talking about driving at night. There's shine on. Crazy Diamonds, one of my favorite songs of all time. And there's a definite passenger situation where there was something dropped and there was a long road trip at night to harken back to your earlier reference. And this was a religious experience for me. I've had some of those religious experiences.

And Pink Floyd, I agree with you. Beyond just that, I would say specifically animals and dark side of the moon. I just can't imagine that those would resonate if it was, you know, if it was 1.30 in the afternoon and you were eating a sandwich. I did just see. And it's not just as a matter of fact, it's not even quarter after nine in the evening. It's like dark side of the moon and animals put those on around 1.30. Some of the lightweights have gone off to bed, but you're hanging in and you're going to talk now.

You're going to hang in. If you're going to see Pink Floyd live, you definitely figure with their light shows, they're piratechatics, you're going to see them at night. But it's funny because you mentioned the Pink Floyd thing at night, which got me thinking about my little driving experience. But dark side of the moon for me, I really started jamming to it really hard in the daytime for the first time of my life. So for me, any color you like, which I could see how any color you like would be a, would be a nighttime song. You know, it's just, I feel like it's being played underwater

in some neon fish tank. But like, I listen to it in the daytime. And for me, um, animals is, is ambiguous. So I, I don't know. Okay. Well, that, I, that would be how I find them. I'll go with an album for you. It's, again, this is, this is the nuance of what. we're doing. That's why this is important work we're doing. These are not, this is not marginalizing any album because definitely in my top five albums of all time is physical graffiti. And yet, I don't, over 30 years since I discovered that record, at least 30 years, I can't recall too many times where I was listening to it in the day, but I can, I can summon many, many occasions of listening to it at night. So it's funny. You mentioned that to me before. And,

I was kind of surprised because, and by the way, also one of my favorite albums of all time, I also think it's even underrated within the Led Zeppelin. Yeah, right. That's almost certainly true. But also, so is three, and those are my two favorites. Three is your two. Are your other favorite? This is the tough exercise.

But I would say, you know, like I mentioned this, Kashmir for me could be a daytime one. and, you know, in the light is a nighttime. It's nighttime. It's one of my favorite songs, period, of all time. But down by the seaside is definitely a daytime song for me. So maybe you're vibing to the literal, again, to the to the leader. And it makes you feel like, yeah. Yeah, no, no doubt about it.

No doubt about it. System, I'm going to go, Kid Rock. Okay, Kid Rock is a system act. And listen, he's on the spectrum of being. really systemy. I think he's talented, despite a lot of, you know, my disdain for some of his music and his views. He's Caucasian summertime activities on a man-made lake. It has to be a man-made lake. It can't be. Kid Rock cannot be blasted on a natural glacial water-fed lake. Right. Yes. Where you're absorbing the enormous beauty of the big blue marble.

That's not when you're listening to Kid Rock. It's like when they're pontoon boats and maybe some pony kegs. Lake of the Ozarks. One of these lakes in Nevada, the Lake Powell or whatever it is. That's Kid Rock. He's Ted Nugent's kids when they get a pontoon boat. Ted Nugent fans' kids when they get a pontoon boat, they roll out these man-made lakes and rock.

A talented but very systemy kid rock. I hear you. That's another thing is like when does, I think our mutual pals, Coli and Tyler over there from Barstool, one of those guys made an interesting point about, oh, about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Like at what point did he just suddenly not, was he not the best? Because at about 1980, there would be no debate who the greatest player of all time was. And then it's just like nobody passed a certain age like would even acknowledge Kareem. Like, wait, what?

Right. And their bands that are like that too. Like it was cool when I was a kid, REM was known to be great. And it was like, you listen to REM like, oh, you're not mainstream or whatever. And one of their ones that falls kind of in the middle of their run is automatic for the people. And I don't love the, it's not one of those ones that you should listen to any time. I would advise you to listen to any of their first four or five records. But automatic for the people, for some reason, when it rains outside, when it's gray outside at any point during that day, or even at the early stages of the 19, when the 19 came into our lives a couple of few months ago, I think I tweeted out in the very early going of this.

That automatic for the people will be the defining soundtrack if you put it on a couple of times over these next few weeks. So, yeah, I'm not with people that thumb my nose at REM. I know there's some people that look at them. kind of sideways, it's not for them. Give me for system, and they become a system band. I hate to say this because if you go back and listen to Green Day, Green Day has some really good stuff, but it's totally become a band absorbed by people making graduation slideshows, PowerPoints. That's a great point. I feel like did they lend that to Seinfeld? I remember even Seinfeld used time of my life on the last episode or whatever. Yeah, that's weird.

Like, do they, do bands pursue that or does somebody reach in and say, is that okay if we use their song? That's a, that's a great point. Yes, they have completely turned from this punk band to mainstream thing that, I bet you you'd see more people over 40 than under 40 if you went to one of their shows at this point. Well, now it's like going to a Pearl Jam show and I'm one of the younger people, but, you know, I went to see Pearl Jam and Scott Trade, and it was all white dudes about 42, looked like really friendly, cool dudes.

And they were all just, it was a very monolithic crowd. And Pearl Jam, by the way, one of the best live bands ever. I've seen them a couple of times way back when I was living in Chicago. But yeah, they are great live. You made a good point, too, about here's the mature decision. I don't think people who are 21 do this or 18 or anything. I remember at some point you said, like, I don't want to have to explain,

are you into this music, whoever you're seeing the live show with? When I moved from Chicago to L.A., I made an important decision because I had all my chums and I didn't really know anybody in Los Angeles, so part of it was I didn't have a choice in it. But I still wanted to see these bands play, and I remember I went to see Modest Mouse

and got spit on or close to spit on by the frontman. But I decided early on in my Los Angeles days, I'm not dragging anybody else. Then I have to worry, are they enjoying it? I don't want, or if I'm not into it and they are like, I, so I just started to go by myself and I found that very liberate. Again, people who are 21 wouldn't do that, but I do that. I started to get into that when I got to L.A.

I'm a solo just about everything guy, okay? Other than like podcasts, I much more enjoy having people on than hearing myself talk for an hour. It fucking sucks when it's just me. and I'm almost a, like, you know how you hate to hear your own voice. Yes. I just, it's an hour of it. That's the only thing I like doing with other people.

Concerts, restaurants, drinking at a bar. I'd love to, I would die to belly up to a dive bar, you know, bar top right now and just smash eight to ten stella's all by myself. Get to know the bartender. And it's just even the movies. I'll go to the movies alone. My wife. Oh, yeah.

I go to the movies by myself. I go to, I will go to bars by myself. That's exactly right. That's living. That's living is what it is. And you don't have, there's no baggage worrying about or is the other person enjoying this. Because I also, I don't know about you, but I'm the type of person that I feel responsible for other people's happiness, which is a bad thing. That's the word, right, especially if it was like, you got to check out. I remember I went to see. I dragged a couple of guys to go see John Spencer Blues Explosion. And I thought they were great. We're watching it. It was a, it was a, the L. Ray. Oh, that's where I saw that Modest Mouse show, too, now that I think about it. And I remember about halfway through the show, I thought it was terrific. And I asked, I was like, this is great, right? He's like, eh. And I'm like, oh, man, now what? Do I have to leave? Because you're not into it?

And that was the moment that I decided no more. Why am I dragging people to this? It's the worst. It's just the worst. Who's up? I just had the, I just had Green Day. Well, I'll be here now, if you want me to. We were also talking about this is going to, like you said, I'm from Pittsburgh. I did want to get to the controversial take that I have that has made me an enemy to some of my compatriots from the banks of the Three Rivers. So the Steelers, they play the stick song, Renegade to motivate the defense at a critical moment in the second half when the defense wants to get a stop.

The song is good at its beginning. He's like, oh, but then it kicks in, and it's a real cheeseball song. I have long said, why not Iron Man? You want to talk about intimidating sound. That would be the song, and they're called the Steelers. It's so on the nose. I don't understand why they're not doing it. And by the way, Matt Barkley last year, as the backup QB for the Bills,

when they played Renegade, he mocked the crowd by waving his Buffalo Bills cape in the sky. and then the bill shut down, they went and scored a touchdown on the Steelers. That's the football equivalent of jumping the shark. When Matt Barkley's mocking you, then it's no longer intimidated. Yeah, move on. You know what?

And that was one of those 12-9 games, right? I remember, I think I probably had the over. I remember watching this game last year. Right. Definitely went under, right. Okay, so my system bans, I'll run through the rest of my system ban, because I still had a few left.

Maroon 5. Consumer music, department stores, nice department stores. You know, I like Adam Levine. He's talented. I hear he's a great dude, but I do not like Maroon 5's music. And I think it's just department store music. Upscale. I don't like it, but I think if I were to like,

if somebody said, circle the song that you unironically enjoy that you know would probably people might make fun of you, but won't go home tonight by Maroon 5. is that song for me. I'm not a fan of their music in general. And like you, yes, I've heard that Adam Levine is a dynamite fella. Dynamite I heard. Yeah, the music is that you like him because he's got a sleeve like you. He's one of those guys. I think we've talked about the guys. I see, now you don't be creeped out. You fit into the category for me of like, oh, if I saw you walking down the street, I would be like, oh, that's a handsome fella. Yeah, well, yeah, I hope so I work on it.

Adam Levine, I would never know it. And then people tell me like, what are you crazy? Women are like, oh, he's the one of the most, like, most universally attractive men. And I can't tell, I can't tell the Leonardo DiCaprio is a good looking dude at all. That's another good one. I can't tell. I, man, like, you know certain, certain dudes, they just, you know, Brad Pitt. Everybody knows Brad Pitt's the, that's right.

The goat. Like, every chick loves Brad Pitt. But Leo, like, I don't get the thing, bro. I don't get the thing. I get like, listen, Tom Brady, to me, I think we talked about this the last time I was on here. People are going to start getting ideas. I say Tom Brady won. And I asked Brady and Jimmy G.

Who was more handsome between the two of them. And they both demurred. They were too modest. They both thought themselves. And they did that really vain. Like, I don't know. Oh, no. How would I ask everybody else?

And so I said, all right, I'm going to ask everybody else. We both have butt chins. We both have dimple chins and, you know, tall. It is weird. I see Tom Brady to me, handsome. Jimmy G would never know it. Delightful fella. Delightful fella.

But everybody's like, why you don't know that Jimmy G is? Jimmy G is into the late night rendezvous at Italian restaurants with AVN actresses. Okay. I will say I have bronch. I has Vince Wilford, who is more handsome? And he's like, I don't know. I don't judge dudes. And he yelled at me and got mad at me.

And then I asked gronk and he's like, I don't know. Let me, Jimmy G's nice look. And they looked over at Brady. And Brady stood up as he did with his back to me. Like even from behind, look at him. Yum. And I was like, Brady's so funny. Before I get my next one,

Brady is so funny because Brady had this bathrobe that he like plucked from the nicest hotel in the world and would wear it. He was the only guy with a bathrobe in the Patriots locker. It's like people are always like tell me something about Brady that's weird or you know something that you would count against him That he wears a bathrobe in an NFL locker room. I mean like he's like Lloyd and Harry at the hotel in aspen All right. That's great. That's a good little detail. Yeah. Yeah. I owe you that that there's a car that there's as good as a convertible. That's an I owe you. I'm gonna I'm gonna go Aerosmith. Aerosmith to me, I'm not a big fan of Aerosmith, period, except for Dream On.

They basically are synonymous with Miss Doubtfire for me. And also, DeWalt Yellow Boomboxes. The Construction Man's boombox, Aerosmith is blaring out of construction sites across America, FM radio waves. Nobody actually owns the music. It's just on the radio. Yeah, Aerosmith is not for me. on any level.

And this is a super detailed one. The only place that works for me is when they show up in days to confuse. When you hear, and you talk about a great soundtrack, that's a great one. There are very few bum songs on that one. They work in some Skinnerd. That's a period-specific one,

an Aerosmith plays in that movie, in that movie alone, otherwise, no use for them. The only other one that I would get to, and it's funny because I think you could apply this to almost any band is, and I think a lot of people get seduced by this effect, they go and see the band live and they're like, you got to see them live, man.

Most bands are going to sound good live, better than they sound if you're listening to them on a CD, unless they're completely inept. Remember in Pulp Fiction, the band that nobody had ever heard of until that movie came out was Urge Overkill. They almost literally couldn't play their instruments. So they were an exception to like they were terrible. Really?

but for the most part the only place and talk about supposedly who has a universally great reputation is Dave Grohl but I do not get foo fighters I don't get the food fighters

Every song sounds the same Okay verbatim I had this conversation with my boys in the group text shout out to the group text you know who you are and they said I said what are the foo fighters

because I respect the foo fighters I don't like listening to them but I know they're good. And they put their finger on it. They said, I think Dave Grohl is such a goat that everybody's just like, hey, well, it's Dave's thing. It is the coolest thing. It's like Bo Jackson or something like that or Dion Sanders. And so it's such a fascinating career arc that he has that it's like, wait, he was the drummer in Nirvana.

And then he went and did that. He fronts this even, you know, arguably commercially more successful band. But the bottom line is, yeah, they either are rock. rocking real hard or they're doing the same songs in acoustic. But if they're doing a rock set, I find one song indistinguishable. They're too clean. The sounds too clean.

I wish they brought more of the Seattle sound into food fighters. My guy, Eddie Spaghetti, put it well. He's like, this is what if you're 14 years old and you're being introduced to rock and roll, you would go wild for it. Yeah, yeah. And some people really like it. And again, this isn't one that I'm not shitting on the food fighters

because Dave Grohl is a goat. then people love it. Mariah Carey, she is a Christmas song person now. And Mariah Carey has a great career. You'd have some people to be outraged at me throwing her in this conversation. But to me, Christmas is what really takes her stuff to the next level. Journey. Journey is a closing time song.

No semisonic. I'm not, semisonic is strictly closing time. I mean, that's all they are. but Journey is north of the Mason-Dixon line bar like Manny Unk outside Philly or like, you know, Hoboken type bar. It's got to be post-college but not 40-year-olds and it's Journey 2 a.m. Yeah, Journey gets slept on.

Again, that's one of those bands that kind of transitions more and more into being more and more pop and cheeseball like faithfully kind of era like faithfully that by then. they're complete garbage. But check them out as they first start to break. They're way better than they get credit for when they first kind of form when what's his name, Neil, what's his name, Leaves, Santana to join up with Journey. They're good. Well, I love Will in the Sky.

I mean, like, these songs are sure. I mean, like, it's the, to the point, you know, the age-appropriate. thing, you would think, okay, older folks like my parents' age would be blasting Journey on their back ports, but it's like they grew out of journey and Journey was passed on subconsciously. It's like a conversation that never happened between white suburban parents and their college age kids. They just like Journey and they didn't grow up with it. Like parents grow out of it. Kids grow into it. It's the weirdest thing, the journey effect. It's a closing time, you know, sing along, feel good. I'm, I'm, I'm,

beer drunk. Man, that's a great point. That is really interesting that you're exactly right, that there's something through osmosis and pop culture. It's not just the Sopranos finale. You can't just describe it to that specific thing that brought Journey back because it's also got some of that stadium or arena rock thing to it because a lot of people love,

don't stop believing, people latched on to that song. A lot of teams did for some. I also think it's weird as a side note that outside, to Detroit, which gets, which is invoked in the song, the wings would play that. But then it got weird when other cities started playing that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the drop kick Murphys are, they belong in Boston and only in Boston. Have some dignity.

For sure. And I can't stand the song. You know, like, they would play it at practice in New England and it was like just cold. I was just like, we get it. Like the sale. The drop kick Murphys, they would? He lost his leg. Is that the, does that?

Do do do do do do do. I really dislike it. I really dislike it too. Now, the other thing I thought about was Tom Petty, after he died, a lot of stadiums were playing, you know, I won't back down going in like the fourth quarter. And I've always been a Tom Petty fan, but not like that, and that hit hard.

I don't know what it was about his passing, the untimeliness of it or the fact they would play it at stadiums. Florida plays it a lot at the swamp. I remember week 17. I'm in a meaningless game. It's zero degrees. We've got home field locked up and these assholes are playing me in the fourth quarter with like a bunch of 23 year olds. And I'm just sitting there like, how much do you love football? And it's the end of the third quarter. People are going bat shit crazy at the link as they always do. It's like nine to six. The game means nothing. I got to tackle Zeke Elliott. You know, Jason Witten's out there. We're like, what are we doing?

And I'm just crouching down and they play this song. And I'm like, don't back down, man. You know, you got one more quarter, years almost over. It was just the perfect. And everybody was singing along, Tom Petty at a stadium, they could play that thing for eternity. I would love it. That is super interesting to me because I've talked to,

when we talk about like Renegade is a, for instance. And I say like, it's such a fan-specific thing. The players don't care was always my assumption. And I've asked like, I mean like, Ike Taylor, I'm like, I come on, what do you think about the sticks playing? Did that ever, he's like, come on, Chek, that's the song. Like he, he meant it. And to a man, they would get jazzed up by that song.

And even though I think it's a silly song, I love the idea. So you guys on the field are feeling the music and it matters to you and all that. Yeah, hell yeah. And like, you know, like in Camp Randall, if I was a Wisconsin player and they were playing jump. I would be going bad shit crazy. In college, it was really big. If you remember, turn of the century, zombie nation, okay? It's the song, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, soccer game. They were playing it at like every college football. And I don't know how I jumped up and down continuously. My aerobic capacity must have been crazy, circa 03. But we would jump up and down

through the whole, and the whole crowd would do that too. Like, there's nothing that charges you up more. I think some of these stadiums nail it. Some of them are lame. New Orleans has some good music. They play some yin-yang twins or something down there. And people know you're in New Orleans when you hear it. So it depends on the stadium. Sweet Caroline is creepy to me.

They sing that song with such fervor up there. The lyrical work of Neil Diamond needs a proper investigation. You know, I may be the whistleblower. I think it's been investigated. I think some bad things were. turned up, but people are acting like nothing happened. Okay, this is controversial. Chris Christopherson, he's one of my favorites of all times.

One of the best songwriters of all time. I'm not saying he's system, like he's dependent on this system, but he's perfect with a strong brown liquor buzz, Sunday morning coming down for the hangover. And I'm not talking like an uncomfortable hangover where you have to pop an exedgeron, like your late 20s hangover, where you're definitely closer to death than you ever were binge drinking in your life. But it feels like victory, right? Like there's something about that worn out, but I, you know, I'm up. I'm here. And like, yeah,

that for me, there were some times where I was like, could this be the day? And, you know, I'm just going to listen to Sunday morning coming down on my laptop as I sweat this thing out. Silver tongue devil just gets me in the mood to belly up to a bar and just get drunk. And this is Chris at his best for me, but he's great anytime. O-A-R. 40-year-old plus dudes getting together, probably at a cabin or somewhere lame where their wives have mitigated the risk of a bunch of idiotic 40-year-old dudes who haven't seen each other since college getting together. They're all married. They've got a pass to do something really lame.

I love the specificity. It really sells it for me. And that's, I'm not going to disagree with you. I can't say that I'm steep in Christopherson knowledge, but I know you're, huge on that sound so I'll take your word for it. I'm trying to think if I have, I'm just looking here to see if I have any more. Mac is just for people doing cocaine, I'm pretty sure. But I do like Fleetwood Mac and I don't do cocaine.

So that doesn't make sense. But I just picture that there's always somebody doing a line of something. Is that right? Why does that association come to line for you? Probably because Stevie Nix doesn't have a septum. Ah, that makes sense. See, you go literal with some of these. Yeah, well, it's also very moody 3 AM music.

And for me, it's moody with, the rest of the bottle of whatever it is, but for some people, it might be moody with the powder. ICP, okay, insane clown posse is definitely a system band, and the system is Michigan. It's just, I don't know why I picture, like, the world capital of juggalo's is in Michigan. Maybe it's because my tattoo artist is from Michigan. Shout out to Ben around tattoos, and he tells me there's a lot of juggalo's up there. But it's, ICP is just a Michigan group. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the ones that never have I been more embarrassed.

And see, now it doesn't, I always hated that Bon Jovi when they would go on a national tour, they could sell out four nights at Three River Stadium or wherever. It's like, why does the hub for Bon Jovi have to be Pittsburgh? Kind of embarrassing. That's embarrassing for us as a people. You know, that's not how we want to be known. Come on, let's, let's, uh, when I called my college coach Algrove, who I love like a dad, and his ringback,

ring back. He has a ringback, and it's Bon Jovi. It's my life or whatever it is. That whole Parcell's tree loves that song and loves Bon Jovi. Everybody loves Von Jovi and the Parcells Belichick tree. And I was like, damn, coach,

I wondered what it was that would ruin our relationship at some point. It's been perfect to this point. The Jovi. That was a great era when every, not that they count as a hair band, but when all those terrible, I hated that whole era of music, like 85 to 89, Guns and Roses really pulled pop music in a good direction. And without them serving as a bridge, I don't know that Grunge would have ever hit in a massive way.

But what ran up to that with all that motley crew and poison stuff was just, and people still talk about nostalgia and it reminding you that time. A lot of people in Pittsburgh, apparently, those were the Halcyon days for a lot of Pittsburghers because they love that poison and all. I was like, I'm at a hockey game in 2020 and the play. Like, cut that out. This is embarrassing.

It makes my head hurt. It's music that literally hurts my head. So I guess campfire would be a classification that I want to hit. That's a good one. We've got, for me, Harvest is the Neil Young Bangor, is the perfect fireplace album. Stephen Stills acoustic set at Shepard's Bush. There's a song he does called Tree Top Flyer, which I could listen to on repeat,

if you've ever heard of a tree top flyer. I could listen to it in front of a fire for an hour straight. CCR, as long as I could see the light, or any of their stuff, really. And then if somebody plays Time of the Preacher by Willie Nelson by a fire, it's like my soul exits my body, and I'm hovering over the entire, you know, bucolic nighttime scene. I got my bottle.

I'm with you that that is like that, that I'm not a religious guy, but that's as close to religious as I get. When you feel it, when you feel present like that to that degree and the soundtrack to it and all that. Yeah, there's something about that,

and the music you're describing, all those bands seem like they come from the same place. Cowboy TV, man. That's what they called the fire. Is that what it is? It's cowboy TV. You just sit by it and it's captivating. It's for somebody with ADD to the level I have,

ADD. There's nothing that makes me sit still. Not even TV, but that fire, you get some time of the preacher. If you get some seminal wind by John Anderson, and that's a very system song, seminal wind by the fire, Angel from Montgomery I had on my little fire playlist. I went back. I actually have a campfire playlist. Man, that's great. I'd like to see that whole playlist. I will send it to you. You should. Yeah, you should post that on Spotify or wherever and let people jump in on that. That's a great idea. You get some Spotify going, like some joint venture Spotify stuff. I'm down for that. That's a, but man, yeah, you're exactly right. Some of those, the simple,

happier times in my life have been spent around the campfire with some, with some chums at night and listening to music like that. And four hours goes by in the blink of an eye and you don't know what happened. And then you wake up in the morning smelling just gorgeous like a, like, I love that smell. Firewood and you got a nice hangover, but you almost feel better for having gotten drunk outside. What about childhood before we wrap it up? Because I had a few that remind me of being a kid or, you know, my parents' music. What did your parents listen to? I remember going, we would drive from Pittsburgh to the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, sometimes Ocean City, Maryland. I remember

one year we drove to Cape Cod. One year we drove to South Carolina or a couple years we drove this. Anyway, these long road trips that we would go on. And the old man, and it was eight tracks, that's how long ago it was. The old man had Sinatra and my mother had Barbara Streisand, and we would hear a lot of those. And also some Kingston trio. And we would hear those and we would spin those.

And if I hear those, they, it's funny because I wrote down for this, Frank Sinatra on a Sunday evening having dinner with my kids. And I guess that direct line is it reminds me of my old man and me being a kid with my old man. I guess that explains that. That it's kind of like a take stock of where you are in life and like the summer winds or plan or like, when I was 17. And there's something about that you're kind of like, where am I as a man? You know, you make a great point. You're thinking about your parents and it does take you like, where am I in life? Because I'll start relating how old I am to how old my parents were when I used to hear this album.

And there's a few albums for me that are so my parents, whether it was Tunnel of Love. Okay. For me, the boss, not one of his most celebrated albums, but I think it's one of the first. of his best. He basically made a country album and just killed it. My dad's boat in the summer in Montana, no humidity, crisp air. You know, it's just, it's bol up. It's like bolot Thai music. And he has, I think, a bolo on the cover, which is one of the coolest covers. You know, that's a banger. We used to ride around and we had a red suburban, red, old, old choice and in the tape deck was best of shot A stuck in that Howie Long's red suburban.

I was just going to say I was hoping for Howie's his profile that it was your mom's car. Wait, Howie used to get behind the wheel of suburban. Red suburban. I mean, it was definitely like the family truck. But when we were, Oh, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of a minivan. Okay. No, no, no. Chevy Suburban, which was definitely the family truck. But we had, we had, we had the best of shot A, which was no ordinary love, smooth operator. And then August and everything after was a big one in the mid-90s and the long family. Round here, Omaha and Mr. Jones out of the gate bangers.

That's seriously an album you might have to fire up tonight, Dave. Listen, I respect that one. I mean, this is, you might want to cut this. It's not for me. I abide by a no-jive policy, but you might want to cut. This is how he's not going to like this getting out. You don't like the shot A. No, best the shot A.

Well, that's the shot A. Shot A is damn good, dude. Howie Long was a scary guy even on a football field. He's driving around shot A. That's- Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan listened to Anita Baker and then ran out of the tunnel and it's called Scott Borrell a hoe for three hours and just terrorized grown men.

It's just, you know, they just have eccentric. That makes it more embarrassing for the people, for the guys they vanquished. That's like, he got the best of me. What was he listening? Shade. Like, this is no ordinary love all the way to the Colisean. That's the best. And then Hootie and the Blowfish, man.

Cracked rearview. Cracked rearview. We loved Cracked rearview. Oh, you had an excuse. You were 11. I don't know what 75's excuse was. I'm so mad, dude. I will say one thing.

I'll say one thing for mood and nostalgia and everything else. My transition from like I grew up, all I ever knew was as a little kid was like, oh, well, the teams that we like are the good ones. The Steelers are good. Pit football is always good. The pirates with pop stars are always good. And then the 80s came around and I was like, wait, these teams aren't good anymore. What gives?

And the thing that Bridges. it for me was the old NFL films inside the NFL with Len Dawson and Nick Bonacani. And more importantly, the Sam Spence music. And I think that I never have actually done this, but I want to get all that Sam Spence NFL films and just drive around. I think that is the soundtrack to my life. I think I'd be a better man if I drove around. You know what? You know what's funny earlier? I said that I said that I hadn't heard that. But I do know the day. Dave Damashek football program likes the old old music, right? You guys like...

Oh, I love it. I love it. Which is great because you've had access to that stuff. I mean, it's amazing stuff. The footage that you've been able to work with in the music, it's seriously, I mean, that's some of my favorite stuff. It's the best. Sam Spence is the guy who makes all the music, almost all the music that you love if you've

seen all that old NFL film stuff. And then it's either John Fassender saying something like, there are 27, teams in pro football and then there are the pitchburg Steelers. I mean, it's the, like I, every time I hear it, I run through a wall like I'm, like I'm the Kool-Aid man and I'm going nowhere, but it gets me enthused. And yeah, that stuff's the best. By the way, if there are no fans in the stands for football games this autumn, maybe they should just play NFL films music in the background.

Maybe that's it. You nailed it. Because I was going to say the league does not need to hear some of the things that we say on the field. Everybody who's advocating, but it was so great what Phil said to Tom. I'm like, I think the discourse will be much less pleasant. That ain't how it goes. Here's one more Howie Long and a football song or two. Howie Long tells me that they used to listen to in the locker room in high school.

They used to crowd around, I don't know, back then it was probably a record player or a tape player. but it was stairway to heaven with the lights off before they went out. And that was probably pretty universal at that point. So there were times in my career where I used to listen to stairway and time it up. So, you know, that sequence that everybody, and as we wind on down the road would be right before fish would tell us to go out of the tunnel. And I would just get chills. It was almost primal. It was like a journey situation that there was no conversation needed.

It was just passed on from one generation and next. My football songs, though, probably my favorite would be late in my career was Death Row, which was a Chris Stapleton song, not Death Row. Oh, I thought you were saying. Yeah, okay. Death Row is a Chris Stapleton song. It's one of his best songs, and it's very slow. But me and Fletch used to sit in the corner locker room.

He'd be like, fire that up for me. We'd fire it up. And it'd be the last thing you listened to, Death Row by Chris Stableton for the Eagles fans out there. That's what me in 91 would get. fucking hype to those two years. Now, Dreams and Nightmares is a brilliant one in Philly as well, the Meek Mill song, which basically blew the top off the stadium and killed the Minnesota Vikings. I mean, that song was the Minnesota Vikings Wikipedia page should read, you know, whatever the team's inception was through that night. And Nick Foles and Meek Mill killed the Vikings.

I think we ran the gambit. I mean, for people that like music, you have to be. had to enjoy all these references because, and I've got a bunch more, but we, you know, Dave's got things to do. He's got to go listen to August and everything after. I got to, I got to get on some radio head, right? That's, that's my homework. And by the way, Dave, I've got one parting note on Hotel California from my other more age appropriate producer. He said, Steely Knives just can't kill the beast is widely believed to be a knock against Steely Dan, who were challengers to the throne at that point in the 70s. Oh, Steely Dan, another one.

Very specific. But we don't have to do that now. Los Angeles, they've just started to open up all the places. I'm going to go get a beer alone. Well, I'm going to go with NICSI. So I'm going to go.

Yeah, go with your imaginary friend. I'm going to go put some coins in the jukebox, fire up some crows, dude. Yeah, buddy. Get some crack rear view. You know, by the way, I thought for the longest time, I didn't understand the dolphins reference when the dolphins make me cry that Derriss Rucker dropped on what song was?

It's not a good song. May the Dolphin make me a cry. I was like, what about marine life makes this cat sad? And I didn't realize that he's actually a Dolphins fan. And the irony, the biggest irony in all this is Darius Rucker became a meme when he cried at a South Carolina basketball game. He was telling his truth in that. Yeah, but I didn't realize that, you know, there are multiple teams. make this cat cry. By the way, when I was a kid and I was a penguins fan when I was a kid.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't know about this. She liked 66? No, I was a Penguins fan. And, uh, wait, well, who was your guy then? Yager and. Oh, yeah, so yeah, your age, that makes sense. Right. And Lemieux. Uh, okay. But, but listen, it made no sense. It was a front running thing for me. And I just loved the black and the yellow. And I cried like a baby when, when y'all lost the Florida Panthers in the, would it have been the Eastern Conference Finals? Yeah. I mean,

I call them the Wales Conference Finals, but yes, that, that is, that's one of the great missed opportunities for a sport. You could have had the high flying 66, 66, 68, Pittsburgh Penguins with, with this all-time collection of talent,

play either Joe Sackick and Peter Forsberg in, from Colorado, or you almost got the wings penguins, that high-flying bunch from Detroit. That could have been your final. Instead, you got the Florida Panthers against the Colorado Avalanche in their first year. What a bum one that one. But I like you better now that I heard about this Penguins job. I think back, and I'm always embarrassed to tell the story because I felt like I was 15 or 16,

I was like 10. So it's all good. It's okay to cry when you're 10 over sports. Dave Damashik, Dave's a Thunder. You can check him out on Twitter.com. He has a tremendous feed. He crushes everything he does. And I love doing lists. music stuff with you. Dave, we'll get you back. And thank you for coming on. Oh, man, you're the tops. And yeah, thanks for having me. And yeah, let's do it sooner or rather than later. Meantime, get on that Spotify list. I think I'm on it, bro. I'm going to be on it late night. Tomorrow night, I'll be by the fire camping with my son. And we will, we will throw in some radio head. Dave, have a great night, brother. You too, pal and and wish Wayland all the best.

Okay. Dude, thank you.