Green Light with Chris Long - NFL TNF. Bad Teams. Chris' 2019 Spotify Wrapped. Public Bathrooms. Mailbag.

Episode Date: December 7, 2019

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Hey, Wookie, where are you on sunglasses inside? I think he can pull him off. I'm not sure I could. Yes. Or I. I think he's got it down. I don't know. We got sunglasses on indoors,

and it is the weekend, baby. Team of Destiny, Virginia Cavaliers. Dabble, you going down, baby. Let's go. Going down. Let's get this shit rolling. Momentum. So we're going to go into a rolling start here,

because my co-hosts for the day will not shut the fuck up. But that's a good thing. We want them to talk. I mean, I wish we could have recorded everything we just talked about, but you guys will just have to want to. You can't treat me like that.

Howie doesn't treat Mike like that. Okay. All right? Oh, yeah. You're trying to turn me into your Michael Strayhand. Let me, let me do the intro for the people listening, okay? If you've listened to the show before,

we've got my Michael Strayhand, self-appointed, Nate Collins, former NFL player, former teammate of mine, former recruit that I had to show around of Virginia. And one of these days, we'll talk about the infamous, we'll talk about the infamous way to pull the mic in. Hazen. The hazing situation.

The hazing situation. There was no hazing. Oh, man. And then we've got coach Wookie McGrain, who is a friend of the program in a big way. Everybody loves having Wookie. And, of course, my high school baseball coach. Let's get right into it.

First person I got a shout out today is Kyle Long, my brother, who I'm not sure how old he is, but he just had a birthday yesterday or two days ago. I believe it, big bro. Yeah. Big little bro. Well, I, here's the thing about Kyle, which I love. He's not a big, like, what about my birthday guy? And one of my biggest pet peeves is people that expect to be told happy birthday.

Where are you on that? So, you definitely like to be told happy birthday. No, no. I actually don't because I know for me I'm terrible at birthdays. Me too. I'm terrible at birthdays. So I've gotten to a point in my life where it's just one of those things where I know people have shit going on better than to worry about like your birthday. And if you take it personally, that's a you problem.

No, he's letting other people off the hook. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit because at the end of the day, it's just how can I, how can I get mad about? Who's going to be mad? Listen, at the end of the day, the problem with birthdays are in your entire existence, how old are you, Nate? I am about to be 32 in a week. And there you go.

Early with the self-birth-birth-th birthday plug. Don't forget to tell me happy birthday. Listen, there is nothing worse than an Instagram post that says happy birthday to me. Congratulations, you were born. Everybody walking around on the planet was born. Yeah. You find me somebody who wasn't born. And find me an act in your life that took less.

effort than being fucking born. Hey, I mean, you just close your eyes and you go down the hatch, like a water slide at, at King's Dominion. Do they have water slides at King's Dominion? Okay. Yeah, what if you were like, what is it called, birch, breech? Yeah, birch, if you were a birch. You know, that means, that means, that means you might have started this amount of the room.

I don't give a shit if you were breached, if you were stuck, or if you shot out of there like a cannon. You didn't do anything. If you want to do a happy birthday thing, go thank your mom. You know, like, your mom did it. Okay? You didn't do it. You were born.

I don't want to see any happy birthday to me posts. I don't want to see, I mean, like, listen, I respect it when somebody wants to throw a party that everybody can enjoy their birthday. But you know what is fun to do on your birthday? What? Is turn off your comments on Facebook. People hate that.

It's amazing. People hate that and it's so great because it's just something about birthdays too. It's an excuse for people who really don't want to talk to you. Yeah. Or communicate with you to say something to see like if is he going to respond back or I said happy birthday. Yeah. Do people get, take it personal if you wish him happy birthday and you don't like the comment on Instagram or reply? I mean like the whole thing is it's a feelings fest.

Yeah, no. And my thing is I don't need a single person to congratulate me on being born. Before having like an argument and like we're like bad like where I'm like not that great of a terms and like should I feel obligated but like yo you're still a jerk by happy birthday. No, you don't you shouldn't feel obligated to wish anybody a happy birthday. It took me until 5 p.m. to wish Kyle a happy birthday. And that's okay. It was fine with Kyle. I called.

I'm like, hey buddy, happy birthday. I love you. I'm glad you were born. He's like, thanks man. I got to go I got to do Twitch now, which is he's he actually did a great job last night. He twitched, which is usually that's video games. He was talking over the video games, but he had a bunch of people watching and listening in as he was kind of live watching the Bears game.

For people who like chalk and to get into it, they like the pod, they like fishbowl. We're going to do some live watches here soon. And for those of you listen out there who like my big little brother, Kyle Long, how should we put him to work here at chalk? It seems like he's pretty good at this. He was good at the pod. Well, I think that you just need to make the- Yeah, but I was asking the people out there.

Okay. Okay. Okay. What do you think? Okay. Okay, guy. Hey, Nate's wearing sunglasses, by the way. Oh, man.

Spotify this week. Now, this is something I'm into. Spotify wrapped, right? So for those you listen out of here, Spotify all of a sudden did this entire story, probably to incentivize you to ship off your Spotify story and put it on your Instagram story, right? And it's a light flex to all the other, I think, DOP platforms.

Like... What's that? digital like platform digital music platforms yeah that when people post it wouldn't that just be a DP so so when people post this it shows how many people are using Spotify and then like you it shows how many hours like yo flex yeah like yeah no no I'm flexing I listen to a lot of music I'm gonna take a look right now I'm gonna take you through my wrapped 2019 my sound changed with the seasons and you can do this after. Oh, that's whack.

I don't want this anymore because it's mindset the same thing. I thought it was personalized. In the winter last year, I listened to a lot of reggae classics, a lot of Led Zeppelin, physical graffiti was huge for me, Kendrick Lamar. Then in the spring, I had

a lot of Bill Withers. Bill Withers live that I listened to that album at Carnegie on repeat. I don't know who that is. You know who Bill Withers is? Sorry. Why is that funny? Oh, it's just funny. You know the song, Use Me?

Maybe if I heard it. Okay. It's one of my most listened to songs of the entire. In the fall, I settled in and I had a heavy dose of Outcast. I had some Freddie Gibbs. I had a lot of the Sturgel, and I was on a big blind melon kick. The one lucky artist for me was Led Zeppelin. My top artists were Led Zeppelin, Kendrick, Sturgel, Pearl Jam, and Outcast.

very chalky in a way. No pun intended, because those are popular bands. I don't feel like a hipster shouting those bands out. No. You're definitely a hipster. I'm a world citizen when it comes to my music, borders disappear, and I'm genre fluid. That's very good to be in 2019.

Genre fluid. Rock, followed by funk, followed by hip-hop, followed by indie folk, followed by outlaw country. I'm more than what meets the eye. And I love these songs the most. Purple by Shuggy Otis. No Quarter,

remastered, Led Zeppelin. In the Light by Led Zeppelin. Use Me, Bill Weathers. And, Aretha Franklin, Bridge Over Troubled Water, was I having a tough year? Freddie Gibbs, Palm Olive,

one of the most fire rap songs I've heard in the past five years. Fire. Fire. Fire. Enunciated. So they made me a playlist That's nice to you guys

Your podcast CTE Radio is one of my most Listened to Podcasts of the year Congratulations Look at that And then they thank you And then they say We've spent a lot of time together In 2015

10,000 minutes All the way to 2019 36,000 minutes That's 27 hours of Led Zeppelin This year for me You know what was big for me Was In The Light is probably my favorite

Led Zeppelin So on you wouldn't know the song. McGrain, would you know the song? No. You'd know if you heard it. Um, and Mind Hunter, if anybody watches Mind Hunter out there. Do you remember, did you watch Mind Hunter, Nate? You watched mind. I did. Remember at the end there's a Led Zeppelin song with the synthesizer going crazy for like a whole minute? It's like at the end of season two. Yes. That's in the light. And so that put me back on a heavy physical graffiti kick. Um, and the music that defined the decade for me was

it says Sturgle Simpson in my morning jacket. Shout out to MMJ and my artist of the decade is Sturgle Simpson. So this has been, I listened to a lot of music and I guess everybody figured that out. Who do you have on your thing? So my, for the decade?

Nah, give me, just, just, you know. So the top artist, the baby. The baby. Jim Jones. Oh my God. Dreamville. Jay Cole and then Stunner for Vegas So in 2000

I don't know who that is Okay he's one of the baby's artist Did the baby The baby killed a guy right Yeah in Walmart Yeah self-defense Yeah obviously Yeah

Good for him Listen It's the Wild West man The Wild West rules Guy comes into Walmart Trying to kill the baby Do you know all the personal stories About Les Zeppelin

Personal? Yeah What are you going to quiz me? No I'm just saying No, I mean, I'm no historian. Okay. Well, he has good music. We're talking about music.

The baby or Led Zeppelin? The baby. Well, how did we get back to the baby from Led Zeppelin? I don't know. So I'm going to ask you this. Who was the fifth person on your list? Um, started for Vegas. Who the fuck is that?

So he's one of the baby's artists. Okay, yeah, yeah. He's a baby's artist. So you're listening to more Jim Jones than Jay Cole in 2019. Um, yeah. How do you think people feel about it? that well I'm actually not if you think about it because I have Dreamville and Jay Cole on there and Jay Cole and Jay Cole is Dreamville like he's part of that

group yeah but it's something where I'm just kind of venturing out listening to more than just the main artist on labels is Jim Jones out of the entire dipset group is he doing the best in his personal and financial and and I have I have career life do you think he's come out of of the dipset era the best out of the whole gang? Not a fan of counting people's pockets. I'm not talking about the pockets. I'm talking about when you see Jim Jones on Instagram,

he seems to be happy. No, absolutely. I think he does great at marketing. I think he does great at what he does in his lane. But I've always been a huge fan of Cameron, his marketing, just like him being kind of the agitator. But I think they do a good job. You mad?

And Cam made $3 million off of socks, bro. Not into pocket watching, but he knows how much Cam made off of his socks. Shout out to the diff set. Were there any other metrics there? Top genre. Are we forgetting Hell rel? He's still part of them.

He's still with the dipset. Good. Yeah. He's more in like a managerial rule. You loved it. He had managerial written all over him, man. He's the glue. Hell rel.

Okay. Shout out to Hell rel. Thanks for listening to the Greenlight Podcast. Make sure you head over to Spotify and subscribe. so you don't miss an episode. I want to talk about public bathrooms, a hard right turn from, or a hard left turn from Spotify,

wrapped. But some people listen to music on the shitter. This could work. My wife told me that I was disgusting because I use public bathrooms shamelessly. You're so disgusting. I like, you're so disgusting. I cringe.

Okay, first off, is it all public bathrooms? You won't just plop down on on the on the on the on the on the it has to be an absolute in absolute emergency like a church and then has to be like and then I'm sorry to say it I'm killing a small tree with the amount of toilet paper I'm putting out of you're gonna put on the seat I'm so sorry here's the thing what's that doing for you really what are you accomplishing there? Walk me through that without being just graphic. It's probably just a piece of mind.

Are you putting it in the front, not to be too disgusting. For the male listeners out there, you know. But you know what that's for, right? You have to tuck that. But you know, that's what that, like, you know when you pull that thing out? I'm just saying the tuck, you're going to hit the porcelain. A lot of people, no, but look, a lot of, listen, a lot of people. For some of us, it's going to go in the water.

So did you know this? So a lot of people don't know when, and I'm in that boat. but a lot of people don't know that when you pull out listen when you pull out the like the sanitation paper that they have that front flap is for that reason a lot of people don't know that

you might have changed my mind and you see and that's why because that's one of the main reasons is that's why it's gross because if that even touches like to me I feel like I don't know what are the odds though that you put all that toilet paper down

there you pop up you're at a big dinner or something not that i do that but like you know if you have to go you have to go wherever it is worst case scenario you're gonna end up with some uh crumpled toilet paper in your khakis there um that's why that could happen that's why i'm just from like getting caught you know it's just gross to me you're making a gross situation grosser get it over with take a shower when you get home some dial soap you know no old spice shit like real dial, antibacterial, just get it over with. What's far with Old Spice? There's nothing wrong with that.

I just don't think, you know, the shower gels are getting it done after you take a dump in a public stadium or at a, you know, Bush Gardens, again, to mention Bush Gardens. I would never. What's the scariest place to use a public bathroom? Train station? It has to be a sporting event. Worse than a train station. Hmm.

Depends on where this train station is. New York City, absolutely. That's scary. And you are from the tri-state? I am not from the city, though. Like, we have Metro North. We don't really have. I don't know.

I don't know. But I think it'll all be... But in summation, your toilet paper, it doesn't really matter where. Your toilet paper... I would think that regular day people who are going on the train station, they're going to be more courteous than the drunk, like, stadium.

At a stadium. That's a good point. Statistics are your first. friend here, Chris. There are actually no more bacteria in public toilets than in your own home bathroom. For sure. Thank you. It's easier to get sick. You get sicker from an elevator more so than a

public toilet. So what are you going to do in an elevator? You're going to just go in there in a big plastic bag? No, but they take his side on the seat cushion thing. Oh, on the seat cushion thing? Whatever we're calling it. Yeah. Oh, they do take his side on. They do. They say that there are skin-borne community...

You get pinworms. Staffacococulus. Yeah. Staff. They support him here on that. We know about staff in locker rooms. That's like the biggest. That's like, oh my God. Like someone has staff? That's like the one thing.

That's an alarm. I can probably say for people, like for a football player, if you have germs or if you're scared of germs or anything, if you hear the word staff and someone has staff, you know that's serious enough. You know. You can lose your arm. Dude, stay the hell away from me. You can die. Remember when I was playing, what happened to the dude? On a serious note, he sued.

Yeah. Somebody I played with lost part of their foot. And they should. Yeah. I think it was over staff. Like in Tampa or something like that. They got into... But you're not going to get...

I've never heard of somebody getting staff from a public bathroom. Here's another fallacy, I think. Everybody's worried about public bathrooms, right? I think we're looking at the wrong thing. These germophobes, and I am a germaphobe. Are you all germaphobs? No.

No? I'm not. You sound like a germapho. Listen, I'm not. But I keep... I keep hands sanitized animals. Okay, so here's the thing. What do you do when you eat an apple? I buy them cut up already.

All right. I'm sorry. Play ball here. You don't just, like, there's an apple you're starving. It's a, you know, like, I think apples suck, by the way. Okay. Pears are better than apples. There.

Try and cut up already. All right, I'm just saying, if you have to eat an uncut piece of fruit, yes. What are you doing to wash it? Don't answer the question because of how I'm asking you. Just tell the truth. Depends on what it is. The shirt rub?

Do you hand sanitize it? No. Do you rub? soap on it. Nope. Okay. Just run that hard Charlottesville

tap water over it. Yeah. So you're obsessing over washing your hands with antibacterial soap or hand sanitizer or whatever the fuck. And you just run your apple

under the water, no soap, and you just gnaw on it. That makes no sense to me. Fair. I have, I can up, I can up one for you.

What? I think it's crazy that for men, depending on... Oh boy. Listen, people, People harp on us wash it.

Get the belief out, right? Get the Nate. People. We're doing a thing called Nate. Okay. So people. Nate some things. And nating is when for its entire sentence, it just goes, you know, like when

your TV is like. No, you'll like this. You'll like this. You'll like this. So think about it. They harp on you washing your hands as a man like going into the bathroom. But think about it like this. You get in the shower.

You're clean. Your members in your pants all day. It's the cleanest part of your body. It's clean. It's the cleanest part of your body. And you're harping about me washing my hands when I'm cleaning. I'm touching, like, the cleanest part of my body. By the way, for the record, we all wash our hands here.

No, for sure. But sometimes when I leave the bathroom at a gas station, whatever, I'm like, you know, I got to touch the towel thing. I got to touch the handle. The airborne dryer, they say, is the worst. No, I hate that. And the most annoying thing in the way. I hate that. This thing.

I don't care how many trees it's saving. Or afterward to get yourself out. And those things are not for guys with big hands. So, like, when you do that, you touch the sides. And, like, the thought of touching that when you're going up and everyone else's dirt and drip, just squeezing down in there. So I've been, we've been in the bathroom long enough. That's kind of the germ talk. I don't know how we got there.

How did we get there? Oh, yeah. My wife thinks I'm disgusting for using public bathrooms. It's less disgusting than, like, crapping your pants. Absolutely less disgusting than that. because when you got to go, you got to go. What about farting on airplanes? And I'm so anti-that.

And holding an ankle is hemorrhoids. You'll hold it in the whole time on an airplane? No, I mean, like, I go to the back room. To fart? Yeah, on the airplane. I think it's really, I promise you. I think it's really inconsiderate to be in a metal tube with people and shard your pants. That's what people.

People are, some of the, some of the farts that you smell on these airplanes nowadays. Cut it out. There's no way The problem is they got these Hudson News farts Used to fart in meeting And Hudson news Used to fart in meetings room Yeah in a meeting room

I don't give a shit How you guys feel about my farts And my goodness Also I was 22 Is there things you did when you were 22 You'd like to take back? Bro Listen bro

Are we gonna hold me over the fire For the sins of a 22 year old We're gonna go into You think I'm stupid You think the people who are listening Are stupid enough to believe that You get up That you get up

up to fart anytime you're on an airplane. Yeah. Do you know how that sounds? It sounds like I'm considerate and not a hypocrite. Bro, there's no way that you do that, bro. There's no way. I bet you he's like, I can just squeak one out real quick. Nobody will know.

No, bro. I'm just telling you. And here's the thing. You're gassy on airplanes. That's the food you eat in airports, the pressurization. It is prime time for people to be just letting off silent but deadlies. and I just think it's just It's disgusting.

Let's talk of this weekend coming up. We got this. You're going down, dabble. Listen, this is the podcast. This is an exclusive podcast nationwide for gloating about UVA winning last week against Tech. And now we're going to Charlotte this weekend.

Nate is going to Charlotte. You are not going to Charlotte. I'm not going to Charlotte. Can't decide. It's not that can't decide. It's the season of kids events. plays. Yeah. Yeah, not taking anything away from Jess, but Meg gave me the go-head. But my kids aren't doing any organized shit right now. Okay. My permission slip got signed. Yep, we both got the

permission slips. And signed still delivered and ready to go. I'm excited for Charlotte. I'm very excited for Charlotte. We are 28 and a half point dogs. Of course, Nate is undefeated as the flag guy. How did that go last week? You ran out the flag against Virginia Tech of the Commonwealth. was absolutely awesome. And then I got raised from running the flagout to also being able to be at the coin toss. But I think you kind of just went with the flow and showed up at the coin toss.

You know, like sometimes, like, you just got to, you got to take what you can. Like, you know, like, it's one of those opportunities where it's just like, hey, I'm out here. And they're like, hey, go out, go out. Hey, man. Tell the viewers or the listeners. what your attire was starting at the shoes

so I had to keep it real New York and I was out there in the butters and for all you listeners out there just say it for the Caucasians for all you listeners out there Caucasoids butters are construction original style Timberlands

and not really meant for running or athletic type of situations more for working I think we fought in Tim's, by the way. I think I was wearing Tim's the night. That's the hazing story. Yes.

Look at that. So basically. I've done a lot of things. Like, tell the Hayes story. I don't know if you want to hear it. I mean. Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, uh, you, you made my lip bleed, but not a lot, bro. It doesn't matter.

I was an 18-year-old. I was 21. Okay. So here's the story. What's the difference? I'm a freshman at UVA and we're about to get a new locker room. and the older guys they have a before camp, they have a tradition of,

hey, we're going to haze the younger guys, whatever. Not going to get into too much detail. You know what? Let's leave this out. Let's leave it out. We'll just leave it out. You'll have to wonder what happened with me and name. But it ended up in a...

This wasn't hazing. This was, we finished the hazing part. Finished the hazing part. And then... And the hazing... No, we used to bring gloves. Yeah. And the upperclassmen,

we would have like a boxing night, right? A little boxing night. And it got rowdy. And then the freshmen showed up and we were like, any of you freshmen want to piece to any of these upperclassmen. But Chris is the one saying it. And he like grabbed it. And Chris like,

yeah, who wants to box me? And I guess he thought that no one was going to say anything. No, I thought I was going to kick somebody's ass that night. And that's what happened. And everyone's looking around. I was like,

I'll box them. And as soon as I like let the words out of my mouth, everyone in the locker room, it just turned into like a heavyweight belt. Like everyone was like, yeah yeah we had the we had the light gloves

so yeah whatever ounce that is it's really light like you get hit by these you feel like you got really hit don't recommend it I think about it all the time on both spectrums

how hurt we could have got how much trouble you could have been badly hurt no I absolutely could the way he was swinging at me and it was something where it was probably

it was something like a draw I would I would call it a draw I want to say I won because I believe in my heart I did, but I also want to be fair to you. No, no, no. I think that, like, points. You drew blood, but I hit you with a lot of mean shots. A lot of body shots and a lot of... Side of the head.

A couple of haymakers that, like, I just think about, man, if he'd have really hit me, like, we probably would have been on ESPN because you knock me out cold, everyone gets scared. I can just see it. Like, everyone running out. But you did. You caught me in the lip. Part of him with a nice little jab. So he hit me with a nice jab. Like right off the bat, we were kind of circling each.

other you know there's people yelling it felt like a scene in um what the fuck's the movie where they play russian roulette in vietnam uh deer hunter it felt like the end of deer hunter which you wouldn't know because you're a millennial um deer hunter at the end like it's just people crowded around making bets nobody was making bets on the fight but it had that like like we were in thailand or something no it really it really was and you think about it's a movie setting and the funny thing is just hearing it from other people's perspective and just think about I know at the end of the day

when it was all said and done like me and Chris kind of like after this first of all 60 seconds of boxing when you're not a boxer and like you're just throwing haymakers completely gas like about to throw up gas it was it was a minute 20 whatever it was long it was long

it was two minutes I don't know how long it was I know at the end of it like we kind of like looked at each other and like we hug and then everyone in the lock We kind of all got hyped up. It was cool. Yeah. And the cool thing was, I showed Nate on his visit, we're boys, and then nothing, there was,

it was no big deal. That's, that's how I think. How many podcasts co-hosts have gotten in a fistful? I don't know. I don't know how many, but we probably have that. That probably started our, like, I mean, from there on, I know I gained, like, I definitely gained a lot of respect from Chris. And Chris, like, after was just like, I don't think anyone was going to grab the gloves, man.

Yeah, yeah. is the man. Nate's the man. And then that went from being cool. And then we realized that they had took all of our clothes and we had to walk back to the Cavalier Inn and underwear. Underwear and socks a block and a half to find all of our clothes tied together. So about 30 people, 30 kids clothes.

Kids, you're grown men. Look, men. 18 years old, you're going to war. Nobody gives a shit. Your shoestrings. There's 17-year-olds in Iraq. Just don't give a shit about your clothes being tied together. And there's 55 pairs of shoes,

55 shoes all tied together by them, like of all of us that we had to, like, undo. It was so hard. Talk to somebody in the Depression who was, Great Depression, who was eating like a fucking tumbleweed and living in a shed. But we excelled that year.

Hey, that's the last time we had nine wins. Oh, yeah, you're right. Look at that. That was. Team building. And speaking of big wins. Nine wins, Bronco beating tech. Let's go.

I did guarantee that Bronco would have a lifetime. Hey, knock at the door. I need a room at the house tonight. The cost of the long. He can sleep at the house. I got a guest room for him. Bronco. He can come with his toothbrush, toothpaste,

his overnight bag. Could be 10 o'clock before school night. It could be. It's a no questions-ass scenario. No questions asked. You know how they do like the after the show at like the draftsman and like Buffalo Wild Wings? He just got to he got to pick a night to do a sleepover and you guys got a pod. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

But you got to ask him intimate questions. I want to know more about Bronco since he's going to be our coach for the next. We'll do a fish bowl. We'll do a fishbow by the fire at my house. UVA PJs, you know, he's, I'm getting ready. I like that. Yeah, I mean like Bronco, you're always welcome in my house. I know Bronco is not a cussing guy and half the stuff we talk about in this podcast.

he'd probably be a little bit of ashamed of it's the funny thing but you are welcome don't assume bro brocco wouldn't it be funny what if what if bronco's just the worst house house and he just shows up he's just reaching in my peanut butter jar but like i won up you man you said i could stay yeah like imagine that imagine him knocking on the door and just being like hey listen to loud heavy metal at 11 o'clock at night metallica you ever seen the dave chapelle and way brady episode like What if he's like Wayne Brady? What if he's Wayne Brady? What if Bronco Menon Hall is Wayne Brady?

And you just go in there. You just wanted to coach. How about Desmond Howard busting that line out on college game day? Yo, so great. What were you thinking? The odds that Lee Cors or Kirk Herb Street know the Wayne Brady skit and Fowler. Fowler's still there? Like you are on set with some of the whitest individuals in the media, bro.

Yeah, but. And the kids that you're making, you're dropping this line in front of, are all. 17, 18 years old. They know about it. Chappelle's show came out. They know about it. Most 18 year olds at college game day, I guarantee you, did not know the skit that Desmond Howard was trying to reference.

To say on national TV is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a bitch? It's so great. That's so great. Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a bitch? There's just some things that we agree upon that you can, that only are okay to say in funny movies and they're probably not okay anymore. They do a lot of, um. Or skits. They do a lot of play on words with that

if people notice it or not when they talk about Jokevich. There's one they do like in that is... Don't know where you're going. It's kind of scaring me. No, Jokevich. Like, they like make that whole thing. I want to talk about Thursday night football

a couple nights ago. Oh, Orange Bowl story. Because we could go to the Orange Bowl. We're probably going to the Orange Bowl, by the way. Orange Bowl, yes. What happened the last time me and you went to the Orange Bowl? Yes, you were gracious enough to invite me to Orange Bowl

when Tim Tebow, playing against the Sooners and Miami, Florida. And I remember being in the box, the Fox Box with your dad, Nick Leshay and his wife or girlfriend at the time, Vanessa something. And we found out that was. Yeah. Yeah. And Chris was taking joy in calling people because the game for us was live.

And it's about a 12 second to the game. 15 second delay. I forgot about this. And I remember Tebow did something. He scored and Chris called somebody and just goes. Vanessa Manillo. Oh, yeah. She was very nice.

Yes. Nick DeShay, by the way. No, yeah, it was great. Bengals fan, loyal Bengals fan and a great dude. It was unbelievable. And Chris would call and be like, Tebow just scored and hang up. I forgot who you called and he said that. And you can hear them and they're like, what?

And probably like 15 seconds later. You see his fold rig it. And Chris picks it up. And they're like, dude, what are you doing? Like, stop. Don't do that. Hey, it was probably some of my teammates. There was something about the national anthem down the field because we were down in the field for the national anthem.

Oh, man. Were you not acting correctly? I think you were doing like, you were like. That's so funny. Like back then, I was acting like I was blogging and I was filming. And I was filming. And here's the funny thing about this. I have on camera where.

We're on the sideline, and it's me, Chris, and in the background is Belichick and Robert Kraft. Oh. And this is in Florida very close to the massage part. Oh, my God. So I don't know if that video that I have is something. How long ago was that? It's a long time ago. I wonder if he was going back then.

But, I mean, it's. There are, there's also the orange bowl. You couldn't have for that There's South Beach There's golf courses There's I think everyone was there to see No, and Tebow

Everyone was there to see Tebow I'm just not ready to go full deep state On the whole Patriots front office Being at the Orange Bowl in 2009 Or whatever it was You never know Just that's That's a heavy accusation

And it's one that only Nate Collins is levying here Conspiracies You know that's my thing. That's a good segue into shit I saw, which is going to be pretty abbreviated. We have a video of, you mentioned Bill Belichick, friend of the program.

What up, Bill? No chance he's. There's one good thing. That's one thing I'm certain of is that Bill Belichick is not listening to this pod. Absolutely not. He has no time to schedule. But he did hear that I complimented the team's travel on the Ringer podcast to do with Ryan Rosillo and texted me

and said I heard that you were speaking highly over team travel appreciate it hope you're doing well really are you saying are you being serious yeah that's lit bill's the man that's what's saying that is lit bill's fucking cool absolutely and then and then especially you know he let my guy go off easily so i like him for that too what person um you know they they worked it out got traded to the that's what you heard he got traded to trade it to the cowboys can we pull the steve bellichick thing up steve god i love this video is the coordinator um I don't know. I haven't really thought about how it correlates.

It's just trying to do my thing. Joe Dirk. I think that that's what's best. So that's what we're trying to do. He and Whalen have the same haircut. Remember of your first football chore? One of your first football chores that he asked you to do? Yeah, I got a couple memories.

And you want to share it? Look at this fucker. He's so uncomfortable trying to get something out of Steve. What's the best way to do you? We laugh about him now. When did you first start watching film? We started when he was in high school. I've been watching it for a while.

Like I said, football is my thing. Like minimal mouth movements, just like that? I remember watching time. You think it's Bill. I lived in Cleveland and just watching highlights, learning, going into my dad's office. And Cleveland spending time there trying to watch film. Like I said, I don't think I knew what I was doing, but I was trying.

So other kids are watching cartoons, you were watching film? Great question. Yeah, dynamite. Dynamite question. Dynamite question. Thank you, Steve. Figure I'll ask. Any shot you can tell us who's calling plays on your defense.

I got it wrong. Look at this guy by the door. Hey, yeah, I didn't want to be in that scrum of reporters, but can we do a walk-and-talk? That's the oldest trick in the book. Intercept the dude who just had 50 fucking people around him. Like, your special. Off the record.

Hey, off-the-record, man. Here, are you calling the plays in New England? The off-the-record guy. What I wonder is why Bill doesn't just say he calls the plays because it's not something he ever really does. By the way, Steve's the man. love Steve really well liked college is a cross player

at Rutgers part of that big Rutgers contingency Cheyano's back Chopping wood Chopin wood The state of Rutgers Can you chop the wood the same

Is it gonna be like 09 Oh I feel bad for those incoming freshmen Oh boy Yeah there's zero chance I would play for Shiana With the things I've heard Maybe that's the 34 year old me If you think about it How much money now would it cost you

go through a college training camp. It depends. Million dollars wouldn't do it. For who? Myself. No, speak for yourself. No, maybe a million dollars. It depends on the college coach.

A Shiano training camp? I don't know. I'm not sure. You're going to go your own life without getting CT. So shout out. Shout out to like 32 years old. So shout out to Jamal Westerman. He always had great things to say about Shiano.

Okay. This is the, you got, yeah, you remember in your Rutgers contingency here. You have to speak high. I don't have a few, too. The McCordy twins. I'm sure they would say... I always talk shit to the McCordy's about Ruckers. But they probably say the same thing.

People talk shit about Groh all the time. I love Grow. Grow is really tough. See, but he was tough, and we had tough camps, so that's why... And that's why it made he doesn't scare me. How much money would it cost you to go to an Al Grow training camp? So my first year here, I feel like... No training.

You just have to show up. That's how I feel like my first year here was, just getting thrown in the fire. And it was... It was bad, but it wasn't that. bad. We're on the Belichicks, and the big thing about Steve is he's actually a very good coach and a good dude that people like a lot. The chances of him calling the plays are slim to none. I mean, I don't know how much say he has or doesn't have, but for me, I always wonder why Bill does, doesn't come out and say, like, I call the defensive plays. I don't know. It's a formality, but you could ask the

same thing of Bill, who's not really sharing, you know, the full breadth of his responsibilities. But yeah, He sounds exactly like his dad. And what a shock. He doesn't feel like answering questions about, did you watch cartoons or did you watch film when you were a kid? The fucking guy is Bill Belichick's son. I can tell you a little bit about what it's like to be somebody's son and being tired of hearing about questions like that.

Hey, guys, you had a full week to prep and ask him questions. That's the best you got. Did you watch Snoopy or did you break down all 22? What a dumb question. They should have asked him if he cuts his sweatshers. like his dad ever. I actually was one of the first people to do the cutoff sweatshirt thing.

Yeah, I know. We talked about that. Yeah. Yeah, Steve, great job dealing with dumb-ass questions. How about the guy that, well, you brought this to my attention. The guy of Minnesota? Yeah, greatest obituary I've ever seen.

And what did it read? It said, so-and-so. Yeah, so-and-so. He has a name. Let me pull him up. Yeah, the guy passed away, and you're going to sew and so-and-so here. or something amongst friends.

I have it right. Have it right here. Let's get it right. John J. Ford. Yes. Age 86 of Plymouth passed away surrounded by family on December 2nd after the Vikings allowed 17 unanswered points.

That's so disrespectful. Survived by his wife, Jane, daughters, Ellen, Dick Henning, Mary, Steve Bielski, and Julie Ford, John Fitzgerald. I love this. Everybody dies, right? It's going to happen to everybody on this whole set,

not to be a downer. Okay. I mean, the fallout from this has been amazing. Like the Kirk Cousins owes another apology tweets, all that stuff. It's just, like,

here's the thing. We're blaming Kirk for the defense being, for our friend John Ford passing away. It's wrong. Let's talk to Zimmer and the defense. It's wrong. Captain Kirk has been on his game. Yeah, it's wrong.

What up, Big Goon. What up, Linville? What's going on in there, bro? Yeah. Big Linville, Joseph. He's a stud. He's a stud. Now, but even Linville Joseph couldn't save John Ford.

But he lived to be 86. Full life. That's a great life. And the cherry on top of full life is you have some fun with your obituary. Yeah. I'm going to do it too. I always say I'm going to be buried in my land cruiser. It's going to be annoying as fuck for whoever's doing that whole day.

deal, but dig a giant hole, put me in there with my Levi-Garrett hat. Bro, by then, it's going to be so easy to do that by then. And by time, by time you're ready to go, I think you're going to live a nice, long, healthy life. A nice 200-year life. You're very wealthy. You have, you have like the oxygen chains and all that. But by then, you're not going to like this.

You're going to get buried by robots. They're just going to cut, they're going to laser your spot you want out of the ground, pick it up and bro just place that land cruiser it'll probably be nice like a nice it'll probably like a vending machine yeah you ever seen the ice cream vending machine that'll be just like that no

when they open up like for different dots it opens up the trunk and then they and like they vacuum and they're all section oh then I'm going um uh who were those two you're talking to an anti robot guy telling him that he's who were those two women that drove off the cliff if he wants that type of movie thelman louise i'm going thelman louise in a ball

of fire just to keep the robots away from me and my beautiful 1990 FJ62 which has 200,000 actual miles on it for what it's worth if we're counting Thursday night football golly

the Cowboys bro I want to start with the Bears because we should always lead with the team the one and they've taken The first place though They are That's accurate The NFC East will

We'll get to that in a second. Coming in, Trubisky had been trending up, right? Yes. Season highs and passing yards the past two weeks. I think one of the biggest things that, as I looked at the bears coming in, I said, you know, you got to blame Mitch for a lot of his problems, but there's a guy calling the plays who has to, and the concepts and designing concepts of play to his strengths or don't, that needs to take some of the blame, and that's Matt Nagy.

And I think Matt's done a better job the past few weeks of getting Tribisky first and foremost to use his athleticism. You saw they ran some speed option last night. He got out there and ran around. And Dak is probably a better athlete. But Dak didn't run for positive yardage last night. They're not using Dak's athleticism right now.

In fact, I know this to be true because I bet on Dak to gain over 11 yards rushing. He did not. I also lost the teaser last night because I took... See Teezy. Yeah, I... Listen. The teaser thing is I'm coming back down to earth.

But through the first 11 weeks, Chubisky on the run, 21 of 39, 53% accuracy, 208 yards, 75 rating, and 5.3 yards per attempt. The last two weeks, 11 of 16, 68% accuracy, 127 yards, 92 rating, 7.9 yards per attempt. That's a big difference. You can point to that specifically. you can sure point to Montgomery getting going, the run game getting going, but I think if you want Mitchell Trebisky to be successful and recapture

just the taste of what he had last year, because this is a team that with a game manager could be in the NFC championship. I'm not saying this year, but had they played like this earlier in the season, just manage the game at the very least with that defense and a healthy Akeem Hicks, which they don't have right now.

They're a team to contend with, and I think that's... about quarterback so much. That's a hot take. I just think we do. Like, they just need to start, yo, they're scared to run the read option. The read option is like the,

it's the extra thing to do to make a defense a little off kilter or, hey, we have to at least respect this. And you have a running quarterback. Yo, so what if he gets banged up? Like, I don't know. No, no, no. So you're saying, and we can listen that in a second

when we're talking about Dak because the question is, do you pay him? And do you pay any of these quarterbacks, really. But last night, Mitch continued to look sharp. And if it wasn't for that pick in the first quarter, he has a really monster game. You know, 382 yards last night, 151 on the ground, 7 of 12 on third down, which is big. I mean, that's up from 31% on the year. And I don't know what they do with Mitch. You don't have to right now. That's what we've gotten into, along with your overvaluing quarterbacks. We've also... My man, Ken, Ken,

Cam Newton is getting surgery right now. The bear is going to get them. Mitch, you're going to have to step your game up. You heard it right here, Nate Chardamas. We actually hit that. I don't mind Cam to... And look, and Kyle and Kyle and Cam Newton are going to be making you sick every week on Twitter and social media.

I'm retired. I'll root for the bears. You will. But I just think that I like seeing that a little bit. You like seeing Cam in Chicago. Yeah. I don't know where you're going with any of this. Ice up his bones a little bit.

He'll be all right. So basically, now their playoff chances are at 5%. The Bears need to beat the Packers? Nope. You don't think it can happen. They have to go out there, right? Yeah, because they played them in the opener at home. And they tricked that off too, right?

They did, but they lost in a low-scoring ball game that was relatively competitive. And all I'm saying is that the Bears are playing better now. Akeem Hicks is coming back. You're the better. You're the betting, man. Are you betting against Aaron Rogers? Well, no, not at home. In December? In general? No, not at home.

Not at home. Exactly. But what I'm saying is that of all the things that need to happen for the bears, this is not the least likely. I think the least likely is they need the Vikings to lose to lions, and the lions are 13-point dogs. That's very unlikely. You said it's unlikely? I like that.

No, the lions. I like the lions to win that. You like the lions to win the game? Yeah, because you know, Kurt, he has a lot on his hands. How much money you want to bet? He has a lot of his hands. How much money you want to bet? We're right here on the set.

Vikings Lions. What do you want to bet? Just straight up? $1,000. See, like, $100. Rich people bet. $100.

$100. You want to make $100 bet? Straight up. Do I need, I don't, you're not taking the points? No, like, no. Holy shit.

I got Captain Kirk all day. That's 100. I need that by the next podcast. I don't even know where you're coming from on that. This is going to be so great. The Rams are, the Rams could, I'm going to watch that game now. The Rams could definitely lose the Cowboys and the other teams they play for sure. I mean, I could see that happening.

But last night, the Bears losing Roquan Smith. That's a big deal. Although he was filled in for nicely. KPL, shout out to KPL. Kevin Perry Lewis. Keep doing it, bro. Keep doing your thing, man. You have Bobby Massey who was out.

You have Prince who was out. You have Gabriel, who's out with the concussion, Trevathan. They're getting hiccical. back that's going to be a big deal i talked about on the show two nights ago with um with uh thursday night football crew the reason mac is not eating is because that drop target is getting shallower and shallower there's no middle push people aren't afraid of just one guy the way they are when you have two dudes and next man up man you can get you can get you can get more guys out in the route you can seven man protect uh you kind of pick your poison you get full slide to to to to to

Khalil, you can do a lot to mitigate the risk of an edge rusher beating you if he doesn't have anybody else that you have to worry about inside. And that's not to say Hicks is better than Mack or Max's overrated. Mac is a fucking beast. But the problem is when you have an edge rusher who a lot of his game is predicated on power and inside

moves, you can full slide to that guy and it takes away all his inside options. So like... Not if you have a dog three technique. That's the point. And so he doesn't have that right now. You've got a guy like Von Miller or somebody who can run the hoop and not to say Vaughn can't do other things, but Khalil's game has never been just like,

I'm going to run around you on the edge. His edge moves are predicated on the threat that he can run you over. And when you give a guy a full slide like that, the tackle can overset you, no problem. And that takes away a lot of options for Khalil. And

they're getting the chips, they're trying to run some more loop stunts. They're trying to do things to free him up. It's hard. Hicks will be back the main thing last night is both coaches had 10 days so that was my biggest question coming in these are two coaches who have been under fire who's gonna do something with the 10 days

like a little mini-bye well the question's been answered um naggy stepped up jason garrett is a dead man walking cowboys the last couple games Patriots game they can't get in the red zone

Bill's game they can't score in the red zone and they start really hot to Bill's game that first drive looks like a master class last night's first drive looks like a master class but then they sputter the rest of the way and it was funny because I said last night

if the Cowboys take the lead in the first quarter they're probably going to win because the Bears have been very good in the first quarter one of the biggest things with the Cowboys is they were like 0 and 6 when they were leading at half or when they weren't leading at half and obviously the other way around when they were leading at half when they got down at the half they were as good as dead.

And even last night when they cut it to 24-14, everything felt like a struggle. They had four straight runs from the nine-yard line. If you remember that little sequence, it's like, this is exactly what the internet is screaming at Jason Garrett about. And he's doing it. And they scored, Garrett's out, bro.

So look, what saves Garrett's job? Nothing. Getting to the Super Bowl. If he gets to the Super Bowl. If he gets to the Super Bowl. or maybe the NFL or maybe the NFC championship. So two playoff wins,

not enough to keep him one more year right now. Didn't that was the Cowboys? No, I think he, exactly. No, no, no, no. They're still in first place. No, no, no, no. Jerry last week said that he bets that Jason Garrett is going to be coaching

in the NFL next year. That was the quote. Yes. In the NFL? Yes. What is that? That doesn't bode well. I mean, it puts a little fire on your ass.

It's over, bro. You have you have Zeke, you have an offensive line, You have Gallup, you have Cooper, you have Jarwin, you have Dak, who's leading the league in passing. You have a top 10 defense, which the caveat there is that in DVOA, they're actually 20th, but in points in yards, they're top 10. You have all these pieces. But with Jerry there, what makes it different? What coach is going to make that different?

With Jerry over the top, Jerry doing interviews before? So this is the point. Jerry's not like he was back in the day. The old Jerry was very meddling. Jerry still does his press conferences. He still likes to talk. But Stephen runs the organization. kind of gets out of the way.

Here's who I think ends up there next. This is a wild card for me. That's Sean Payton. Sean Payton has Bill Parcell's ties. He's coach in Dallas. Not Riverboat? I don't know. I think Riverboat Ron would be a great pick up for Cleveland.

Cleveland needs a culture. What about my guy from Centsy? Marvin. Marvin. Marvin Lewis? Yes. No thanks. Why?

I mean, Marvin Lewis. Playoffs every year. Really? They never won a game. Can you look that up? Like he went like 15 straight like of winning like I think it's I think it's a lot of time he they always go but they never win So what you're saying to me is that you want to replace the picture of mediocrity with another picture of mediocrity That's a better me or acry though

I don't know it depends it's having a chance it's having a chance that as a player and as being on a team Oh and seven in playoffs but but he went seven times he did He went seven times Jason Garrett has more playoff wins than than him obviously yeah maybe So that's my point is they need something fresh and new. If you can get Sean Payton, you just, I told you, Sean Payton, and you're asking me about Marvin Lewis? Where's Sean Payton right now? Marvin Lewis sucks.

Where Sean Payton at right now? Sean Payton's in New Orleans, bro. Yeah, I know, but so why do we think that he's going to leave? I think of, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking of my head. Why? Because Drew Brees might be done. Yeah, the silence means I just answered your question.

And you don't like it. No, because you know, yo, bro. Don't disrespect Teddy right that, bro. I love Teddy, but I'm just saying if the Cowboys job opens up and they open up the checkbook

for Sean Payton and Sean Payton wins the Super Bowl in New Orleans, or doesn't, he's going to consider it. The Cowboys are pretenders. They still haven't beaten a team with a winning record.

They're still, you know, they still haven't won a game down at half. The only good news is they've owned the division. They suck outside it. But in the NFC's,

do you know what a turtle race is at the bar? You ever seen a bar That does turtle races? Never People get shit-faced There's one in Venice Beach What's the name of that place in Venice Beach?

I can't remember But there's one in Venice Beach Shout out to Snaps It's my turtle Out in Connecticut with his grandparents Nate How old is Snaps now? Since sophomore year

Nate adopted a turtle Like a decade ago Still alive Still alive Snapping Turtle We got it on the river When we were tubing on James River No allegedly

And then you send him up north to live with his grandparents, which is the most irresponsible move. I guess that's better than sending a dog up north. It's a little bit lower maintenance. The turtle race, though, that's what the NFC East is right now. The NFC East is a turtle race. And if you go to a turtle race, everybody gets pissed drunk on beer

and bets money and cheers on these two turtles to see who can win a race in the middle of the bar. This is a genre thing. I don't think they do this in African-American bars. No, they're doing white bars. But what the NFC East has become is a turtle race. And I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for the NFL because everybody's talking about it.

And here's the thing, as bad as everybody says, you need Dallas to be good for the league. No, you don't. Dallas has not been good since 1995. I mean, like really regularly good since like the mid-90s. Just find a die-hard Giants fan. He could tell you everything that's not good with the Cowboys. Exactly.

And I'd ask him to look in the mirror, but I would say this is like, the league does just fine with the Cowboys struggling. As long as we're talking about the Cowboys, as long as Jason Garrett looks just shell-shocked on national TV, as long as DAC throws for $3.50 one night and then a stinker the next weekend, as long as, listen, this team isn't even doing a lot of distracting shit off the field. They're just not great at football. and the expectations were really high.

That's what's selling right now. And Jerry. And Jerry sells. And Jerry sells. He's a little annoying. He's a little annoying. Since 2000, the Cowboys are 10th and winning percentage in the league at about 500.

The comps there are the Vikings and Broncos, but I wouldn't put them on that level. So this is to put an perspective of what we're really talking about. We always say everybody knows the Cowboys are living off of their history more than current status. but to put it in perspective we never like compared to them actual comp we just know that they're not as good as people think

and we care too much about them but they're three and seven in the playoffs with no conference championships since appearances since 1995 and they're tied for 20th in playoff wins you know who they're tied for 20th in playoff wins with the bucks the jags I was about to say and the Titans

what up Jacksonville that's ugly why do we care so much that's what they should go and get I'm talking here I'm thinking about coaches I'm like on with this I'm flowing here

you're still trying to tell me Marvin Lewis should get the Dallas job or they should go You're on time out for saying Marvin Lewis Go get Coughlin Go get Coughlin God damn Excuse me Sorry

10 total playoff games since 2000 You know who has nine The Cardinals and the Titans. The Jets have more. The league needing the Cowboys to be good is the biggest fallacy in the world. Mediocrity has done just fine. And we'll talk about it anyways.

Fair. It doesn't matter. They're like America's team. Them are the Braves. I hate when they say that. The question is, do you pay DAC or do you not pay DAC? I think you pay them. You got a better chance of keeping Cooper that way.

If you're franchise DAC, you're not going to keep Cooper. up in a situation where you franchise him and it's like a Kirk Cousin situation where you have to do it twice or whatever. I think Gallup is a number one. By the way, lost in the shovel last night, Gallup is really impressive. And Cooper's road splits are terrible. That New England

game teed me up to that. He is a totally different player on the road. I don't know if that's a product of DAC or... Get to sleep alone. Sometimes it's... You know, get to sleep alone, get some

space, get to clear your head. Hey man, sometime, you know, you need to be away from everything. Oh, I love that thing. How does that have anything to do with it? Because you would think that would help him on the road. You know, you get the Sunday in the hotel, depending on where you're staying. Yeah, but he's played worse on the road. You said worse?

Yeah. All than too much time. Too much time. Okay. He got that 299, he got that 299 lifetime, lifetime membership. on night in the hotel. Anyways, I think you pay Dak. He is a franchise quarterback.

I'm not going to be an Eagles homer and try to down talk Dak. Dak has played great this year. He's been inconsistent. They haven't beat good teams. He hasn't had his big moment yet. Okay. But what do you want to do?

Who are you going to replace him with? Josh McCarrow. On one end of things, on one end of things, they're they're this is like the most talent you could imagine surrounding him with so i can understand some people are like well this is the ceiling for him i don't think so coaching matters a bunch scheme matters a bunch you fire jason garrett now this is as good a time as any because your roster's really good your roster is good enough to overcome a big change you do it while the window's still

open you don't the definition of insanity is what nate doing the same thing and getting the same results. That's what the Cowboys are doing. They're going to go insane. They're going to drive me insane. I don't even want them to win. Zeke is still the centerpiece. And one big problem is, going into last night, two runs of over 20 yards, explosive plays,

not there anymore. They've used them just the same as they had in the past as far as volume. Two less carries a game. But he went 185 plays between 20-plus yard runs. That's on the Cowboys, though. You got to pay him, and he has to be there for camp. I think that's a huge, I think that's a huge factor too. I do think can't matter.

That's a huge factor for a running back. There's no way that's not affecting them right now. It is affecting them, but I don't know how it plays into explosive plays. I thought initially he might look like shit. He didn't look like shit. You can't see it, but maybe there's something. But it's learning your old lineman. It's knowing your old lineman is going to cut that guy versus wall him off and things

like that. Now we're cooking with gas. Now there's some real analysis. No, I just feel like it's something that you don't really look at, but as little as, oh, he's still in shape. Yeah, he's still in shape. But you're not going through that grind. You're not going through that 12 to 25 hours of walkthroughs

and learning different things. Yeah, it's the vision. That's the biggest thing. As a rusher, if you miss camp, if you miss time, the vision really hurts you. And I think, you know, not having that vision, it's a great point. Not getting to know your alignment.

Even though the same guys as last year, players change year to year. The scheme changes. So players play differently in the scheme. You've got a new guy in Kellyn. calling the shots. I think it's still, if they want to win,

it's still Zeeke's team. However you feel about paying a running back. Zique is 1A, DAC is 1B. Just remember that. That's going to serve you the best if you're in Dallas.

Fire Jason Garrett. The roster's good enough and pay Dak. You might even be able to survive without Cooper. To my point earlier, very inconsistent. Definitely infused them

with a lot of life last year, but they didn't have Gallup emerged the way he's emerged lately when they needed Cooper so badly. think Gallup can be a number one. You go drafting. Right now he's got so many options. You got Gallup.

You've got Jarwin. You've got Cooper. You've got Cobb. You have Zeke. Maybe the problem he says too many options. I talked about that with the Eagles coming in this year. You've got Deshawn Jackson. You have Nelson.

You have Goddard, Ertz. You have all these people. You've got to feed. You got the young rookie. You got Jordan Howard. Quarterbacks start worrying about who's getting the touches. Coaches start worrying about who's getting the touches. I'm not saying.

Not in the good teams. I'm not saying it's the worst thing in the world to have. Tom Brady throw to anybody. Yes, he will throw to anybody. And that's the issue. That's the issue, man. Got to stop playing favorites. Give some of these walk-ons and these practice squad guys.

Hey, throw them in there. They're ready. They're ready. Hey, next man up. That's why you can't feel bad about injuries. Why do you have backups? Get them fucking right. That's how I feel.

That'll bring us into mailbag. Mailbag is good. I'm going to pose these to the group. This is one of my favorite segments. And we invented this segment, mailbag. I like it. Never seen it anywhere else. I like it.

Blues clues. Sorry. Here's the mail. It never fails. It makes me want to wag my tail. When it comes, I want to whale. Males here. Is that from blues clues?

100%. You need to record that and play that before every mail bag. Yeah, that's our mailbag sound. I was going to do, you've got mail from AOL, but that might be better. From Rebecca Chabon. Real, Becky. Real tree or artificial. Real tree.

Big debate in my house right now. What? Yeah. Why? We've been real tree forever. And the needles, the vacuuming, the watering, the putting it up, the getting rid of. It's a debate. We cave to the kids to go with the real tree again this year, but I think it's only a matter

of time before we go artificial. It's a bad mental thing, but I feel like I can't go backwards, and I feel like when I was younger, like my mom and dad, we never used to have the extra money for a real tree to hassle. So we used to always have, you know, artificial tree. You take out the box, you put up. And then it's just like, start doing a little bit better. And I used to like having, like, the smell if you get a nice tree. But there's learning, there's learning curves with nice trees. They got a few candles now that smelled just like the Christmas trees.

You can just get a fake one, which I would never do. You guys are insane. Not to bring great depression people into it, but imagine them huddled up on Christmas in one of the great plain states in a tin house with no Christmas tree. And you're gonna, we have all this modern technology and we've got all these great tree farms.

And you can go to Whole Foods and get an artificial tree with your six pack of beer. Or your, you know, your cashew butter. On the way out, snag a tree. It's not that fucking hard. You see the, you see, the, have like the, remember like the sad Charlie Brown ones? They actually sell those now.

People buy those. I am. I am. I think you guys are, I mean, like, you guys are dangerously close to. Oh, but quick story about the cleanup. I almost got kicked out of my apartment in Jacksonville because I wanted to be festive. Like being down in Jacksonville is always hot. Actually feel like Christmas.

Got a real tree. So at the end, like, oh, what am I going to do with this tree? I'm on the 22nd floor. You threw it out the window. No, no. even worse I put it down like the trash chute

and the build it dude you could have been pale the garbage guy listen how big was a tree six foot dude it was just

but it was like six foot it was dried out so it's literally pedals right to my apartment like everything and they were so upset they were like this is like a huge issue

and I told them I'm like listen like if you guys need to pay for something they're just like the trash shoot you know it got got stuck on different floors and all this stuff. And it's just funny now. And I was like, damn, these damn petals.

And they're like, yo, the pedals are all over the hallway. I have no idea. Same guy that's going to get an artificial tree. I mean, they're all ill-advised decisions. Blonde vibes. Great name, by the way. Favorite place to eat in Philly, no cheese. Well, she didn't ask me about cheese steaks.

Now, what I do want to mention is, I've never had a cheese steak in Philly. And I know some people think that's sacrilege, but generally a cheese steak would be reserved for like a late night drunk, a drunk food, right? Fair. North of 30, white dude build squeezing into a tight jersey. And these jerseys get tighter and tighter. A, I'm not getting drunk a lot. I don't need a beer gut. B, I don't need to throw a cheese steak on top of that.

So I am excited to have a cheese steak my next trip up to Philly. Me and Mike Scott, the hive, Mike Scott Hive, shout out to the Hive. I ain't no bitch. He ain't no bitch. UVA's finest. 757, Hardgrave alum. Hardgrave alum. Mike and I have talked about going to get a cheese steak together because I don't think Mike has either.

And we were going to bring some fans out and make a big deal of it. You got security? We don't need security. We ain't no bitch. Okay. Okay. Philly, bro. We're good in Philly, bro.

Yeah, maybe you want to. Me and Mike Scott are two of the most good in Philly people lately. Bro, don't say that. Lately. Lately. I didn't say... What have you done for me? What have you done for Philly lately?

Nothing. Exactly. I want to shout out Buffalo billiards. That was my favorite spot to go drink and eat late at night. It's a pool. Pool hall. nice bar and i want to shout out my buddy drew at scarpetta hotel written house

wonderful hotel scarpeda great great it's a chain but it's not like one of those chain chains it's a nice chain like Vegas Miami Philly all the hubs nice chain yeah El Coastal Cavs asked who would win in a fight one million fire ants or five lions I would have to see what the like

the visual spectrum of one million fire ants like looks like it's a lot but I mean like but like a million of them might be like in a shoebox but like no I mean what are the extra lions get you what five it doesn't matter dude they're gonna be able to kill the ants no lions can't can't kill ants you can't you can kill one or two by accidentally stepping on him but the lions not even going to know what's going on he's just going to be getting devouring by far to like help his other line buddy get ants off him he's just going to eviscerate him exactly Jerry

Somebody asked me Jerry Springer, real or fake? Totally real. Totally real. Totally real. You know, they shoot Jerry Springer in the town I went to high school. Really? In Stanford, Connecticut? Really?

Yes, they do. You just outed yourself as not having any street cred. Why? Because I went to high school in Stanford, Connecticut? Why does Connecticut automatically equal non-street-cred? I just don't think of Connecticut is a really tough state. What about Charlottesville, Virginia? Tough, really tough state.

Man. Remember when you first came here, I had to fly some pigeons and doves. just to let everybody know that you were okay? Yeah, that's like... Like in training day. I was supposed to say, how many times do you watch training day?

A couple. You and Mike London. There you go. Kibbles asked, could you compete the Papa John's challenge, 40 large pizzas in 30 days, and how much incentive would you need to actually try to do it?

In college, I think I probably... 40 large pizzas. I probably did it in college. Yeah, would you do? do it would could you do it would be done huh yeah it could be done i would do it how much would it would it take for you to do it um i would need like probably like 10k at the end of it a million dollars to charity i'll do it what yeah a million dollars to charity oh that's what oh that's what you need someone oh that's what you need from them yeah oh i don't want to give to charity i want to give you share of

myself okay but i'll give a portion okay but so if there's anything out there's a slice if you will Papa John's. Yeah, exactly. You know, what happened to your body, bro? If I did that? You would go through stages of violent constipation and then violent. You saw the pictures of him. He was in like sweat.

I mean, he had like a whole sweat going. Yeah, he looked really bad. He looked like you could feel his blood pressure. Yes. You know, like when you look at somebody and you're just like, yeah, that artery looks thick. Yeah. He's perpetually Monday after downing 12 shots of J-M-O.

He's like the 2019 supersized me. I was just about to say that's what you can do if you really want to make some money. You could do like a new supersized. And I'm not into like weight shaming or anything like that. We're not doing that. What if you got a six pack? What if you got a six pack? We're health shaming.

What if you got a six pack by doing that? Some of the best players we ever play with ate the shittiest. Some of the most jacked individuals. Shout out to Raynor Horn, one of my close friends that in college. McDonald's all day. Had a six to eight pack all the time. And I've never seen some. one after 300 crave a Pepsi and a Big Mac.

Yeah, dude. This is a running back. This is a running back. All right. Let's get to Jordan Johnson. Do you think weathermen get unfairly criticized? Seems like they're typically pretty accurate. And we may be taking them for granted.

No. I think it's silly that they can't get it right. Totally silly that they can't get it right. I think it's silly. I think it's silly to expect them. Like he said, like, if we're being good humans and like these apps and all this stuff is actually correct, then why do we even need weathermen?

This give us the right stuff. This give us the right information. Put the weather on TV. Like you show it. Hey, it's going to rain today. It's not going to rain today. Hey, we're 50% chance. But it's just like you watch weather.

You never know what's going on. You know what? Maybe Marvin Lewis can be a weatherman. Hey, I think Al Groh definitely was in touch with the, weather guides um Cameron godette i'm sorry if i'm not saying your name he had a great question about me and making uh that will hold for making uh how do i ingest cannabis you guys can lay out of this what is cannabis it's um it's a plant uh i eat candy pretty much almost every night that's uh for me my nighttime routine kids get to bed eat some candy helps me sleep take

the edge off and I can still get a lot of this prep work done. I also have a pen and occasionally I like to spark it up old-fashioned as well. That's enough about cannabis. I don't want to make these guys uncomfortable. I'm very uncomfortable. From Gabba Gould, do you put your left shoe or right shoe on first? Right. Never thought about that. Never thought of it. I put I put them both on at the same time. Like that old, you put your pant legs in? Yeah, yeah. Always.

Jump in your pants. Always left for me now. Yeah, it's left for me as well. How am I the odd guy out on that? Tango. I tore my ACL on my left side, so it's just that leg bends less. So it's a weird thing. Gavin, new listener from Australia.

Australia, shut out. Which is great. I'm not even that excited. I'm not even excited about the question. It's just I just wanted to say we have users in Australia. Would American sports be better or worse or just different without timeouts or coaches calling plays? Well, that's kind of the NBA without the timeout thing. That's all I have to say about that.

Thanks for listening from Australia. Top five pro athletes that would be best NFL players. I'll just go with basketball because hockey players, I've never seen one run. Okay. Baseball players, not tough enough. Mm-hmm. Unless you're talking about quarterbacks, and I have no idea who can throw a baseball.

I think there's a few baseball players. I'm wrapping my brain back here. I'm struggling to come up with one. I think there's a few baseball players that would be probably like really, really, really good, like special team players. I remember Pete Rose took out the catcher in the All-Star game? Yeah, Pete Rose could have been like a safety in the 70s.

Yeah. I'm going to go with, here's a guy who has the mentality. Marcus Smart. That guy to me, don't know where you put him. No. He's a football player. No. Playing basketball, playing it well.

No. But he's got a football player mentality. I don't see it. I see him get scrubbed. Oh, really? Yeah, like the bottom of the pot. That's weird because he might do a pod for chalk. Oh, really?

Yeah, and then you guys are like peers. Okay, we're just, so what? Okay. He's a pro basketball player, bro. Now we're going to talk him up. Talking about football. Russell Westbrook. I like him at like,

I don't know what I like him at, but I like him somewhere. Very aggressive. Aggressive. I think he's like a rover and like a nickel defense. Yes. Like that nickel guy? Yep. But he's getting mad PIs, yo.

Yep. Mad PIs. Yep. He's getting a lot of PIs. Definitely. Very aggressive. Greatest movie soundtrack of all time for me. I don't know if it's greatest because I haven't really delved into movie

soundtracks, but I remember dumb and dumber as well from when I was a kid. I don't know if you remember that soundtrack. Mine's changed. Top Gun. Mine's changed. It was space jam, but it's just ruined. I'm sorry.

Why is it ruined? Just ruined, bro. You know, shout out the seal, though. Yeah, Kissed by a Rose. You don't know that song? He did, though. He's having a moment. He looks down about this.

Did you have something bad happen to you set to Seal in your life? No. You look sad. Take your glasses off for a second. Seal is on... Seal, he's on Nome. I think he's on that soundtrack too, right?

uh yeah i think he is but we actually used that my dad had the actual seal tape and we put it in the tape deck in our suburban uh that and shot a he was a big shot a fan oh what uh what up big how yeah dude no villanova he's in the hood listen to all that mainline um i want to throw in drive it's a very good soundtrack as well in recent years also a great movie

Kyle in Kyle in Illinois asked That's interesting I wonder who that could be Should outside players that play outside Get paid incrementally more I don't think so I think it's a terrible question

Like not in an arena Yeah like players to play in domes Versus players that play outside Of course you're subject to the elements But what people don't realize about playing in a dome Is that on your joints Terrible on your joints I could have played 16 years had I not played at the Edward Jones Dome for eight years.

So should you pay people more that play on the turf? I think you should pay people more that play on turf. Chris in Charlottesville. Kyle in Illinois and then Chris in Charlottesville. Most dangerous animal if you gave it arms and legs. I'm jaded by the pre-discussion. It's, yeah. Think about a shark.

If you gave a shark arms and legs, is it scary or less scary? I think it's less scary because it's on land. Yeah, you can finally deal with it. You can deal with it. Yeah. The thing that makes a shark scary is that's their world. Yeah, and you're not suited to play in their world. You never watch street sharks?

No. Like, it's like cartoon? Like sharks were arms and legs. That's the cartoon, bro. I'm talking about real life. This is a real question about science. But here's the thing, though. Like, it's just like anything else.

What are they going to do 30 seconds out of water? Like, so, oh, sharks. Oh, my God. You run a real question. around you run away from a they can't breathe you can't just give them just because you grow arms

don't mean you get like better lungs or in the rule here but the rule here is that there is no rules because we gave them arms and legs okay so they can survive just fine out of water what they can't do is hold their breath

anymore they lose their gills so they become mammals so what's scary? What's scary? The fucking teeth they become like big bears what's scary is they can get you in both places

Then get you in both places. So why isn't a bear scarier? A bear is super scary. It's much scarier than a shark with arms. Yeah. A bear, people sleep on how scary bears are. I don't. Okay, I'm just saying.

I don't. When I'm backcountry hiking in Montana, you best believe I have a big heavy gun on my hip. Yeah. Brown bear country. Black bear, I'm not worried about you. Brown bear, I'm worried about you. What about snakes? If you give a snake arms and legs.

Just salamander. Cool with that. Yeah. I don't think so. I think it's something between a Komoto dragon. I mean, a cobra with arms and legs

would still get me. Not fucking cool. No. No, because then, yeah, I don't, I'm just a snake's guy,

though. Snakes get to me. Yeah, I agree. Ooh, they give an ostrich arms instead. I'm like low-key afraid of big-ass birds.

Yeah. They can't fly? Yeah. Flightless birds. Emus. Emu. Emu. Okay,

so Nate had to leave. He had to leave. He had to go do some stuff. McGrain's still here. I want to talk about bad football teams because we're at that point in this season where about half the games are going to become

sort of irrelevant. I want to talk about the outlooks of really bad teams, namely 1 in 15 neighborhood teams. The Bengals getting that first big win, getting that monkey off their back. They didn't want to become the third team in history to go 1-16. They beat the Jets, big win for them,

Andy Dalton returning. But I also want to talk about the most important, unimportant matchups remaining in the year, and that's the hidden storylines. Reasons, and there are always reasons, to tune into NFL games. Bengals, they dodge Owen 16.

I mean, they got a guy that was evidently living on a roof. Did you hear about this guy? No. There was a guy that guaranteed that he would live on the roof of his restaurant until they won. In Cincinnati. Evidently, it was sort of a...

He was kind of a fraud. Okay, we've got the picture of him up here, eating tostitos with his sleeping bag and a nice little, at least he's got salsa. He looks cozy. It doesn't, it does look cozy. It looks like one of those semi-climate controlled tents, not impressed.

I mean, you only had to wait like 14 weeks, but. What week did he start? The beginning. I think there's, there's a rumor out there that there was kind of a hoax. He was, like, coming inside a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

That's not real. Was he driving business to the restaurant or something? I don't know. You know, that could have been it. I think he was driving business to the restaurant, but I'm glad he's off the roof now. Bengals fans can get off the roof, collectively speaking. Bengals, they're 111.

They need offensive line help. Here's how you can turn it around. They have Jim Turner, is their line coach. He was with head coach Taylor, the boy wonder, in Miami at the University of Cincinnati. I think you need to address that position, but I don't think they're going to be able to resist Joe Burrow early. I think they can save a ton of money by cutting Andy Dalton.

They can also start Finley in the start of the season in 2020. Groom Joe Burrow. He's an Ohio native, by the way, and you spent some time in Ohio. Yeah. In Dayton. I don't see how they stay away from Chase Young, though. I mean, I could say the same thing about Burrow. It's going to be a big question.

I think it's, are they going to try. to save money and get rid of Dalton. You can release A.J. Green, save a bunch of money, and just restart the quarterback thing. I think that's fair to the Dalton. He's been doing that forever. He's gotten him to the playoffs. They've never really won the big game.

That's the ceiling. Yeah, I think maybe. If you want, he'd be a great backup someplace. No, I think Andy Dalton's 30 years old. Andy Dalton could end up in, God knows where. I mean, he could end up somewhere. that somebody needs a spot starter.

He's a solid quarterback. Of all the spot starters, and I know it's almost sacrilege to talk good about Andy Dalton, I wouldn't do this on the internet because I just get ripped to shreds, but Andy Dalton could be a nice spot start guy for a team that needs a bridge. Yeah.

And a team that might be close. You know, you look at monitoring the James Winston thing. Yeah. Of course, I do like Philip Rivers, maybe sliding in there with Bruce Ariens to do a part two of an aging emobile quarterback in like Carson Palmer way

that Bruce Ariens had Carson towards the end and had some success. I still think they might franchise James. I don't know what's going to happen there. The Bengals are 1-11. We'll see the best way forward for them to the draft. That's going to be the biggest domino. Do you go defense, as you mentioned,

or do you go Joe Burrow? I like offense. You get a chance to get a quarterback who could, as you seem with a lot of these young quarterbacks on rookie deals now with the new CBA can totally change your franchise. Agreed.

Because the other end of the spectrum is you've got a team right now, you're going to draft the Chase Young. And I've been a high pick. I certainly wasn't as good as Chase Young coming out, but it's hard to play on a team when you're expected to get buckets on a team that has no leads.

And so you're going to put Chase Young in a really bad position. You're almost wasting that pick. I'm sure, you know, you could get a lot of, lot of production out of him and he might be as advertised, but I'd like to see them go quarterback. Hometown guy, Joe Burrow, home state guy. Giants are two and ten.

This is a team that I think is closer than you think. The young quarterback's had moments, and I'm not just saying that because Macon's not here, and he's probably listening, Giants fan. They have a franchise running back. They've had a quarterback that's had moments. They could use a pass rusher. That's where I think Chase Young comes in. They could probably use a wide receiver.

Sherman and Gettleman are on the hot seat, sure. But I hate to say it, this might not be a hot take. I don't think the OBJ thing was the worst thing in the world. I think they took a lot of shit for the OBJ thing. What do you think would happen to OBJ? Who do you think's better? Baker or Danny Dimes? Who do you think, who do you think's got a better situation around them for OBJ to thrive?

It might be, you could argue the giants, but it's not like OBJ had a career year in Cleveland. So had he stayed and you had a chance to ship him and there was that long draft. route in New York where he wasn't having the same impact he was in previous years, they might have got killed for keeping him around. But it's the third double-digit loss in a row for the Giants now, season. And interestingly, for the historians out there,

the old ownership, or Mara, the dad, I forget his name. We got a Giants fan in the house. What was his name, John? John, yeah, John Mara. In 78 to 80, if you can remember those years, John, they were really bad. They were triple-digit or double-digit losses three years in a row. Just like now.

That's the last time. And Roselle, the commissioner, challenged the Giants, to get their shit together. Really? Yeah, the NFL needs the Giants to play well. I mean, we talked about the Cowboys earlier. The Cowboys and the Giants, they don't have the same, there's not the same,

value on a Monday morning and talking about a train wreck in New York as there is in Dallas for whatever reason. I think a lot of that is ownership. Yeah. I think a lot of that is the stadium. It's the history in Dallas. But, you know, in the late 70s,

they challenged them to get better. And that means hiring a new GM. That meant hiring a new GM. I think we might be looking at, I don't think Goodell is going to challenge his giants, but I think there are similar crossroads where they have to make some changes. But I think they're closer than people think.

And I'd hate to see Sequan's career get wasted because there was a time last year when we played them. And I said he's one of the best football players. I played against Barnon in 10 years and only 11 years in league. The Redskins, the team in Washington, I'm sorry I hate saying that name. They're still in the playoff hunt, right? Three and nine.

Mathematically? Yeah, they're mathematically in it, bro. A lot can happen. A lot has to happen. Bruce Allen's been the football guy since Chanahan left in 13 and I just want to say that the first thing that needs to happen

for them to get better at all is for that front office to be reshuffled. You need a real GM. They played themselves out of the QB sweepstakes. That's a problem because I don't think Haskins is necessarily the guy. Nothing wrong with him. Don't dislike him.

Don't know if he's a guy. The dolphins are three and nine. This is the big question mark to me. What do you do here is Rosen, the future piece? I've seen mock drafts where they snag Tua. I think with that Bo Jackson injury, you can't snag Tua that early. I think Tua's right to be worried about going on the second round.

I think he's absolutely right. And with Stephen Ross, Stephen Ross, committing to the rebuilding thing rather than collecting aging vets or people that, you know, demand a high price tag on their second team,

do they snag a veteran QB or do they wait? I'm just happy you skip by the Redskins real quick because I don't want to talk about them. They're just a train wreck. The Falcons, the Dan Quinn thing, that's the elephant in the room, does he survive. They're always close with Matt Ryan.

As long as he's playing, they're closer than you think. They surprise me at 3 and I. If you'd said that at the beginning of year, I wouldn't have believed you. It's insane to me. And it's not like the division's been that great. I mean, the Saints are the Saints,

but other than that, it's... Yeah, take the losses to them. I still don't care of the three. The Panthers are down. The Bucks or the Bucks. They have guys like Matt Ryan. They have Julio. have Grady Jarrett.

Freeman. You know, they could use a rusher. They invest in the O-line. I don't know where they go from here, but that's a team that's close from people to think. And then there's the Lions and the Cardinals, team that, two teams, and we're talking about the bottom of the league right now,

that face each other week one. And they tied. And it was terrible because for me, I root for the Lions because of Matt Patricia. I played under him. They met close losses like the Green, Bay game, they've had the bad tie, they had the Stafford injury, and here's the thing you got to watch for with the Lions. The Stafford injury is, if I'm not mistaken, is the same injury

as Tony Romo had, and Tony Romo was out of league in two years. And Stafford's aging, and when you look at teams that are on the cusp of maybe the next big one in 15 or implosion type season. If Matt Stafford's health doesn't get right, that's a team that's supposed to hang their hat on defense. They haven't really done that this year. Again, they've led in every game this year, but they're three, eight, and one. And that's bad. The Cardinals, Vance Joseph is in trouble on defense. Worst defense in the NFL. No, boy, no. But I think Cliff and Kyler give you a lot of hope. I mean, that's a team that I'm watching them last week get killed by the Rams and they're getting booed at home.

And I'm thinking to myself, that's a good sign. For you to be getting booed at home means the expectations got ramped up pretty quick. Yeah, the fans are still in it. The fans are in it. As opposed to that team that you don't want to talk about where they just can't sell a ticket. They don't give a shit. They can't sell a ticket. There's fans in that stadium because of what Cliff and Kyler have done already.

and I think the future is bright for them I think that the power struggle in the NFC West will tilt to them over the Rams all day long in the future because I do think the Rams have put themselves way behind the eight ball with that Ramsey trade they gave up their future I'm not so quick to write McVeigh off

I know I've talked a lot about McVeigh running his brick wall schematically and he can't adjust they're starting to do some things on the right side of the line that make me think with these young offensive linemen that they can secure or shore up that offensive line a little bit more than I thought they could because you need those draft picks. They don't have them.

We'll see what happens with them. But there are plenty, including these teams, plenty of interesting games left with bad teams that are eliminated from the playoffs. We'll start with Carolina, Atlanta. That's this weekend. Ron Rivera just got fired. I like that guy.

I really like Ron Rivera. I think that's the... That's the overarching sentiment with Ron Rivera is, what a guy. Yes. Don't know how great a coach he will be somewhere new. I think, of course, when you look at Cleveland, I think you got to move on from kitchens. The undisciplined shit.

Ron Rivera would be a culture fix. A culture fix. And I told that to a buddy. He's like, well, what about Ron Rivera doesn't seem like a culture guy? I don't think the Panthers have been some train wreck. I think they're a team that plays hard. He brings his family around because he tries to model how you treat family.

I think he's the right type of guy to interject in a situation and a team that needs physicality, a team that has some defensive pieces like Cleveland, and a team that could use an injection of culture like the Cleveland Browns and accountability. And I haven't gone back and seen where the Panthers have ranked

from a penalty standpoint or a turnover margin standpoint. I don't know if they've been that great. Like a gut check headline check. They're just not making the headlines for the bad stuff. No, they're not. And another thing, though, they've never had consecutive winning seasons in Carolina.

Oh, that's an interesting step. That's crazy. It is crazy. When you think about a team that's been, so I don't know what to make of Iran-R-R-R-R-Rer. You don't know how the players are going to respond after it's firing, and you've got Dan Quinn on the other side. I think of Arthur Blank wasn't so benevolent.

You'd have already seen a change. change. It's going to be interesting to see division rivals with nothing to play for how they play. Do the Falcons continue to play for their coach? Does Carolina show some signs of life?

Do they just stink it up because Ron's gone and they're completely deflated? Bengals Browns, that's one that nobody should give a shit about. It's going to be hideous. The state of Ohio cares. And you've lived in Dayton. Yes. What's the fan? Fans in Dayton are usually

more Cincinnati because you're only about 45, 50 minutes north. But the state of Ohio cares about that game because in Ohio you're the Bengals or Browns. The irony. It's like office bragging rights. Here's the irony of the state of Ohio being so exceedingly passionate and good at football at the youth level, the high school level. Yeah. I love this point.

Absolutely. They, it's almost like things just even out because their pro football has sucked. Correct. Their fans are great fans. Yes. Because their pro teams are awful. And watching a Browns-Bengles game has to be one of the most awful things on TV because orange and brown and orange and black, it's hideous.

Yeah. First non-losing season since 2007, all things considered, that could be the reality for the Browns. So that's why I think this is a really important game for them. In-state, you don't want to lose to... The one and whatever, Bengals. The one and whatever bangles. And if you want to actually, at the end of the year, all things considered to say,

hey, it doesn't feel like we took a step forward, but we're eight and eight. Yeah. This is a big game. Dolphins Giants, of course, coming up. That's got draft implications. You're going to want to keep an eye on that. Here's one that's big for me.

Jacksonville at Oakland. Terrible matchup. Terrible matchup for scheduling the last game at the Coliseum. that's absolutely dog shit yes and that is that is emblematic of the way the city of Oakland's been treated

in this entire thing Oakland is losing their team and the last game that the black hole gets the witnesses against the Jacksonville Jaguars you could have had the chiefs you could have the charges the 49ers could have had the Niners

could have the Broncos yeah anything but the Jaguars. Don't know what the NFL was thinking. That is a letdown. Yeah, big letdown. Pittsburgh at the Jets. That's a Levion Bowl.

Check that one out. Falcons at Bucks, Week 17. I think by then we'll know what they're going to do with James. It's going to be very interesting to see. You picked him on your fantasy team. He's on my fantasy team. He actually hasn't been too bad in fantasy,

but in real football, not so much. Eli, Week 17 sendoff? I think he wins. And here's the biggest thing about Eli, and he's going to play here coming up on Monday night, a chance to talk about this game real quick. The line's nine and a half.

I think I'm a big Eagles fan, but that line's a little big. And Eli coming off the bench at 116 and 116. I maintain that part of, and that's his record career, Part of the reason Danny Dimes got the start was because Eli was at 500. And they didn't want him to go out

with a sub-500 winning percentage. You think that's on purpose. I think legacy really matters in that organization. I think legacy matters for Eli. And I think now with Danny Dimes out, your hand is forced. And he's playing for his, not his legacy, but it looks a lot better

if you're trying to make a case to get in the Hall of Fame. and by the way, I think he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, so I've had this debate with Patriot fans about Eli getting into the Hall of Fame. And Patriots fans say no. They say no. Oh, well.

Yeah, they go nuts over this one. So then Tom, if I want to make this one guy mad, I just say Eli Manning is a Hall of Fame. Then Tom lost twice in the Super Bowl to a non-Hall fame quarterback. Yeah. I think Eli goes to the Hall of Fame. But if you want to really get under a Patriot fan skin, start with, I think Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer.

He is a Hall of Famer. And any Pat's, well, Pat's fans, I love them to death, but on Twitter, and I almost went a whole show without referencing that God-Forsaken website. Or did I? Pat's Twitter is brutal. I'm going to go test that theory out today.

I'm going to tweet that Eli's a Hall of Famer. Do it. I'm going to address Pat's Twitter. Week 14, Jets hosts the Dolphins in the Gase Bowl, Adam Gase. Here's one that's interesting to me, because at first, when Adam Gase left Miami and joined Darnold in New York,

where I really like, and he's had mixed success with him, I thought to myself, okay, well, you could make case that Adam Gase was always handcuffed because he had Ryan Tannhill. Well, now it's looking the other way. It's looking like Tannahill might have been, had the cuffs on him down there. And of course, Tanahill didn't just play for Gase,

I don't think. but Tana Hill's lighting it up and Gase goes up to New York with the guy who seemingly has more tools than than Tannahill and the reviews have been mixed so Jets, Dolphins,

the Gase Bowl week 14 coming up this Sunday I'm excited about it and by the way it's actually in New York the weather's not too bad I like the dolphins I like them you could take them

on the money line. I think they are five and a half point dogs at this point. Either way, take the dolphins. Check out the Gays Bowl. Week 15, Shanahan hosts the Falcons. That could get ugly. Shanahan has the Falcons flying all the way west

to see the Niners in the Bay Area and I think he could run up the score. Oh, for sure. I wanted where you're going with that could get ugly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you there. Week 6th. Hold on to your hats.

You got the Jones Haskins Bowl. If he's back healthy. This is one that I don't know if I want to see or I don't want to see. But it's Taylor made for Twitter. And again, we're talking about Twitter, the internet, the chatter. This is why the NFL is king. Nobody gives a shit about, you know, wizards, sons in, in March

because those two teams are probably eliminated. Right. By the way, the sons, I think, are actually pretty decent this year, so I don't want to say it. But like, nobody cares about two teams who aren't going to the playoffs in March or April in the NBA.

In the NFL, there's always a reason to watch. And it's storylines like this. And just people will be glued into Giants Washington team, Week 16. Whoever's playing quarterback, whether it's Eli or it's Daniel Dimes.

That's such a great nickname, too. And that's what makes football so great. Now, some other ones real quick is the Chiefs playing Chicago, which just got even more important possibly. Chiefs are going to play Chicago here coming up, and it's the Trubisky Mahomes Bowl. So that is going to, that's a game that's going to be weighing heavily on. I hope Trubisky plays well in that game. I hope he plays really well.

because people are going to use that. They're going to use that as a... You don't need the game. It's going to be a barometer. But you don't need to use the game. I know. Patrick Mahomes is an alien. Who cares if he outdules him in this game?

But that's the point. That's what people do. Yes. So week 17, we might see Rivers last stand. One last saloon shootout for him. God, I love that guy. We also have Adrian Peterson, who's chasing a few records. I think he is...

Let's see. Is he, how many touchdown shy is he of, yeah, four touchdowns shy of, I'm losing my mind. Who's he four touchdown shy of? Sanders, Walter Payton. Walter Payton. Yeah, he's four touchdown shy of Walter Payton. I just started naming good running. Yeah, I think it was Walter Payton for fourth overall.

So keep your eye on that. You don't know if AP's going to keep playing. He could easily pick up four more tuds the rest of the year. tie him. He's also 141 yards shy of Curtis Martin for fifth all time in rushing. So some more reason to watch the team in Washington, as much as I hate to say that.

And here's a big one. CMC is on pace to end up with 2,400 yards on the year, 2416 to be exact. And I think that might have changed since last week. But at one point, he was on pace to end up with about 2,400 yards.

Now, Chris Johnson, in 2009, racked up 2,500. Huge numbers. I think that, depending on how the Panthers play this out, and I don't know how the play calling

is going to be and whatnot, you can make a case for them being out of it being a much, it makes it much more likely that he takes that record. Because then you're like, you're like,

I don't give a shit about the wins. We're just going to feed this cat the ball. The Panthers need some good news. I don't. hate to ride until the wheels fall off because that's yeah i don't want to get injured but i'd like to see him take that record i'd like to see him i'd like to see him at least at the end of the season be playing uh breathing down uh you know i hate saying it breathing down chris johnson's neck yeah that's an awkward visualization yeah but it's i like it yeah it plays it plays so whether

you got apy gunning for uh you know touchdowns or you know gunning for kirtis or you know gunning for Martin and rushing. You've got CMC chasing CJ2K. You've got a ton of games with hidden storylines. It never stops in the NFL. There's always a reason to watch. Macon will be back next week and

by the next time we all talk, Virginia might be ACC champs. Might be. Will be. We'll be and everyone will love us. Y'all take care. So without Macon here we've got corrections that Cowboy Reed and John have thrown up here. The first one reads,

Nate referenced DOP in reference to Spotify. We didn't know what the hell he was talking about and we still don't. He might have meant DMP, digital music platform, but we just don't know. Also, Brennan's is the place with the turtle races in Venice Beach.

And I used to, I trained out there one year and I used to always say, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. I never went. One day I'm going to go to Brennan's to see a turtle race. One million ants weigh 6.5 pounds. It's about the mass of a newborn baby. Can't tell you what that looks like when they're all spread out.

But based on Google, evidently, we're not the first people to ask. So that's good. Oh, Seal covered the Steve Miller band classic Fly Like an Eagle on the Space Jam soundtrack. Is that another Nate correction? Yep, golly. I had two separate references, the Great Depression, trying to shame people to toughen up,

and that's a Greenlight record. I've never referenced the Great Depression twice on a single pod. All right, y'all take care.