Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Trade Reactions! Stanford Steve on NFL Week 9 Betting Matchups, Alabama vs LSU & the College FB Playoff Rankings

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

NFL Trade Deadline Reactions! Chris Long reviews the trade deadline deals and determines the teams that increased their chances at the postseason and the teams that did not. Stanford Steve joins Chris and Macon to recap the MNF battle between the Lions and the Raiders, look back on the NFL trades of 2022 and select the finest bets from the week 9 NFL slate. Take care! (2:05) - Halloween and Chris' Betting Woes (8:46) - Ezra Cleveland is Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars (11:42) - Donovan Peoples-Jones Joins Detroit for a Championship Push and Rasul Douglas Deepens the Secondary in Buffalo (20:39) - Washington Commanders Deal Chase Young and Montez Sweat and 49ers Chances for a Super Bowl Greatly Increase (43:53) - Danielle Hunter Doesn't Get Traded Out of Minnesota (58:50) - Stanford Steve Recaps his trip to Detroit for the Lions Matchup on MNF vs the Raiders (1:15:10) - Steve, Chris and Macon Revisit the Trade Deadline Deals of 2022 (1:30:30) - CFB WK10 Matchups: LSU at Alabama, Missouri at Georgia, Washington at USC, Kansas State at Texas and Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State (1:59:45) - NFL Betting Locks and Best Bets This podcast is brought to you by Cash App. With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is the easy way to stay in control of your money. Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Use the GameTime app for all your ticketing needs. Create an account and use code GREENLIGHT for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download the GameTime app today last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed. Make sure to check out Fax and the King every Wednesday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaxAndTheKing Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chase Young is a pressure machine right now. And I think that that really speaks to the fact that he's winning a lot. You see that in his past rush win, right? I don't think it's just a product of being on that D-line. I think that can help. But he's going to another D-line that's supposed to be pretty good. And so I really like San Francisco saying, hey, we have a problem. We're going to extinguish this fire.

We're going to throw the kitchen sink at it, right? Welcome to the Green Light Podcast. Cowboy Day. The 2023 NFL trade deadline has come and gone. Chris is going to break down every single trade that happened yesterday, which teams got better, which teams should have made a move, which players are still sitting out there like,

hey, man, why don't I get scooped? The heck, dude. We zero in on the commanders, why they moved Montez-Sweet and Chase Young. How much better the 49ers are going to be? Why DeNeal Hunter is still in Minnesota. And Chris's favorite trade of the day,

Rassul Douglas to the Buffalo Bills. And we've got Stanford Steve. It's a college football and NFL betting show. He's going to join Chris with Macon. They're going to pick their three locks, pick out some of these great college football games from the upcoming weekend. Steve's going to tell us all about Monday night as well. He's spent some time in Detroit and a little preview of Tuscaloosa.

How wild is game day going to be? It only goes there like two or three times a season, doesn't it? Y'all enjoy this trade talk. Enjoy the bets. Make sure you play them all. We only pick winners. We'll catch you on Friday Okay, it's 9.30 at night.

I eventually want to go to sleep. I had the kids out, trick-or-treating, had to drive them home. The baby didn't like trick-or-treating, so Mama abandoned us in the cul-de-sac, and she was like, oh, you got the kids, which is fine. It's Halloween. But I told her, it's Trade Day,

so I got to come back into work and record again. We had to record earlier today. You're going to hear that portion with Steve and Macon. we talked about at around lunchtime, some of the trades that happened last year, but we stayed out of the trades that happened today because of the timing. Nobody wants to do a podcast on what happened

at the trade deadline at noon. So because of our schedules, what you're going to hear for most of this pod is dated as it pertains to trades. And most of that is going to revolve around gambling, okay? I suck right now. I can't want to bet. obsessed with it sometimes like it's not for lack of trying though you are studying yeah i'm studying

my ass off and that's what got me into trouble last week i hit a little road bump 10 days ago and i've been chasing ever since and it just got ugly this weekend and this i only i only know how to do one thing work my way out of it even though it's a situation like where paul rudd's on the beach and they're like do less you know like that whole thing for getting sarah marshall is that the movie yeah or you know in tin cup i feel like somebody's got to put a fucking something in my pocket like Roy McAvoy or something. Isn't that what happened to him? Yeah, put a T behind your ear,

all your change in your left pocket. Exactly. I didn't put my change in my left pocket. So we spent a lot of time talking about gambling this week. The locks are neck and neck now. We've all regressed to the mean. Or in Macon's case, he's made a fucking run, and now we're all clustered together.

Getting ready for the second half push. So we'll do college football. We'll do gambling, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but I decided to come back in at 9.30 at night to talk about today's trades. And to set the table for this thing, I had a doctor's appointment schedule for 345. Fucking brilliant. 4 p.m. trade deadline. Yeah, let me take the 350 at Dr. Redacted's office. Everything's fine, big, strong, healthy boy. It's all good. But it kind of sucks sitting in the

waiting room when there's no phones allowed. I was a good boy. I did not look at what was going on in the late threes. I get into the doctor's office. I'm sneaking my phone out and the dude walks right in. And so I don't have any time. We're talking about my health. I can't be like, hey, doc, can we stop for a second

so I can see if Jalen Johnson got moved? Like, I just don't have that ability at the doctors to do that. And so it was really bad scheduling by me. I walked out into the hallway. First off, something you notice when you go to a doctor's office, the day of the trade deadline is that people in the doctor's office don't give a fuck about the NFL or trades.

It's like I come out of this little bunker that I'm in where everybody at work, all we think about is football, everybody on my timeline, all they're thinking about is football, just a bunch of sickos, and we don't know we're sickos, and then I go out in the world,

and it's just nurses and scrubs that couldn't give a fuck less about Montez Sweat. And we're in Commander's country here. I didn't hear anybody. It was just giving out flu shots, which I got one. Okay, you can call me a shrewbs. cheap if you want, but I'm getting a flu shot.

Last year, didn't get a flu shot, the thing knocked me down. I was laid up like somebody in the 1800s who was gonna die. They got their leg amputated. You know how those guys feel on the table in the Civil War? That's how I felt watching dolphins,

bills in the snowstorm. I was hurting, so I got the flu shot today. But I go out in the hall, nobody's talking about the NFL. Nobody gives a fuck about the NFL. I'm on my way out. I'm at the table. And, um, you know, the lady is like, you know, she knows I played.

So she, and I'm like, what did you think about Donovan People's Jones? And she just looked at me. Like, I don't know who the fuck that is. And I don't blame her. And that's kind of what today's trade deadline came down to. Now, I know in the last, like, five, seven years, the NFL's made some gains on the NBA, but we'll never be the NBA. She might have heard about the James Hardin trade.

She might have heard about the James Hardin trade. Well, really, it's more the PJ Tucker trade for me. I love PJ Tucker. It's the Josh Harris trade for me. That guy's willing to rebuild. Exactly. And we'll talk about that in a second. I actually talked to Rosillo tonight.

I was like, what did you think about the trades? And he's like, listen, Embed. I'm like, well, motherfucker, I'm talking about the NFL. Take a break. Take a break. And I'm like, no, I like PJ Tucker. What happened with that? He's like, well, you know, no guy that age has a contract set up like that.

You know, the whole thing. I'm like, no, tell me what you think about Montes Sweat, Ryan. Just for a second. Humor me. But I walk out of the doctors. And I see that really nothing happened at four o'clock. What is this, Killers of the Flower Moon? It's like fucking, I've never seen something with so much buildup.

Three and a half hours of waiting. At least. I feel like we waited three and a half weeks. I'm not complaining because in this job is really good to have something to talk about. I would kill for a trade deadline come like fucking May or something. Okay, or June. But this is what we've got now. And the NFL is trying to make this more of a thing.

and we we fall for the oky-doke every year we fall for the banana and tailpipe and we do it willingly i'll be in the front of the chow line next year no problem talking about derrick henry you got a trade him now at some point the fucking this dotson is going in the shop but like it's got it's got 400,000 miles on it and and it hasn't slowed down yet and people are not sending over enough to pry him out of Tennessee. Even the trades that don't happen are pretty fun too. It's fun to talk about the trades that don't happen.

You know, like it feels good to put your GM hat on for like a week and you're like, ah, I could do this shit. But then later you get into talking about comp picks and free agency and it's like fucking your head's in a blender.

We just talked about it for 30 minutes trying to figure out one player not getting moved today. So we'll talk about that in a little bit. But overall, trade day, a lot of fun. to build up the whole thing. It didn't deliver, you know, like in the splashy ways that we thought it might.

You talk about running backs, quarterbacks, that sort of thing. But there were some significant moves. So I wanted to come back in the office, talk about this stuff, and then we'll get in the Sanford, Steve, Macon, and myself bullshitting about God knows what, for 90 minutes. I'll start with the guys who are not D. Lyman. A lot of the reason I'm in here is to talk about D. Lyman. Because I don't feel like every year we have three, four D. Lyman traded at the deadline,

who people have heard of, and that's what we have today. Does that speak to the position a little bit, like just how significant it is for a playoff push? I think so, but one of the teams is not making a playoff push, okay? We can talk about that in a second. Also, one of the guys that I was sure that somebody that was making a playoff push would be after nobody plucked. So we'll get into that.

Here are the guys that, you know, like popped up that were non-D linemen. You know, the Ezra Cleveland trade, I think, like, I think this is a good one for Jacksonville. We were talking about it as a group, like, it's an upgrade. Shatley has struggled, right? Walker Little's been banged up. When you look at Jacksonville's pass rush or past block win rate, I don't think the pass rush win rate's very good either on the other side. And that might come up again outside of Josh Allen, who's been fucking dynamite. but like they've hidden this thing up front pretty well

if you're not watching them closely. I mean, you don't think of like dumpster fire O line in Jacksonville. But when the numbers bear out, it's not great. Like in the past game, it hasn't been great. And Ezra Cleveland is worth a 2024-6. And, you know, I thought they'd be real aggressive. This was not like a splashy, aggressive move, but this is a move that says everything you need to know

about what they think is important. Like when we talk about San Francisco in a second, I don't know if they were making a move for somebody in the back end, but if you look at the Russian coverage problem, because it's a married problem, meaning, hey, when your D-Lines not getting home, you can look at the back end sometimes. I think there's some validity to that in San Francisco,

and vice versa, right? They decided to build up front. You know, like if they're going to make a move today, they made it up front. So it's interesting. For Jacksonville, pass rush was a concern, but evidently past blocking

is a bigger concern. And I kind of get it. You know, like I kind of get it. I was all horned up for somebody to make a move for Hunter. Nobody made a move for Hunter.

Ezra Cleveland is a, it's a trade that makes sense. It's not something that's going to wow you. It's a trade that makes sense. And Balkees had some decent trades. I mean, he just made the Ridley trade, which I think, going to talk about later. I think that's a trade that's going to pay off. It already has.

He got a six for James Robinson. There's a few trades he's made. Obviously, C.J. Henderson was somebody he had to dump, but he got rid of C.J. I can't speak to his draft day record, but he's not awful at doing this kind of stuff. And I think this was a good, solid trade. The trade I really like, because it hits close to home, that kind of went under the radar today. I can't imagine how. Weren't so many big trades that, you know, Buffalo on the back end is, we've constantly talked about the corner problem.

And it's reared its head at different turns of the road. And then with Trey Whiteout, it's like we really got to do something. And you thought maybe they'd go out and get somebody, and they did, and Rassul Douglas. And I love Roussel Douglas. When I was with him, he was a rookie in Philly. and I thought he was a little bit misused at times.

But I think he's very valuable to this Buffalo team coming from Green Bay where he's really, his career took off, really. I mean, he was a big part of what we did in Philly, but it was a much more perfect fit in Green Bay. And this is a guy who can play zone. And, you know, if you talk about the differences and the coverages, I mean, like you're talking about playing quarters or cover three and that sort of thing, but it's zone at the end of the day.

He's a zone corner. and I think it's going to work out really well for Buffalo. They're going to like the guy they get is one of my favorite young guys I've played with. Me and Rassul, I always talk about on this. The reason me and Rassul will know each other well enough is like we used to sit there in the fucking in the players lounge after everybody was out of the building and just shoe pool and he took my money all year long. He's pretty good.

He's a great teammate, a lot of fun. I think Buffalo is going to get a guy that they're going to want to have around because He's just that kind of guy. And I think he can do everything you're going to ask him to do. And they need him. And that's one point about a GM having job security. Like in 2021, being drafted Kaira Lam in the first round. Yeah, Elam, yeah.

Elam. And, like, I have trouble with the name. He hasn't been playing this season at all. Like somebody who was more in the hot seat might not be willing to make a trade that admits you made a mistake in the draft. And that's a hard thing, right? Like we talked about it with Jacksonville. And I don't know. I've never been in a GM's head.

But this has got to be a real thing. because I know as like an analyst, it's hard sometimes let a take go. Sure. I'm not getting paid. I mean, I'm getting paid to give takes, but I'm not getting fired if I give bad takes. I'd already be fired.

We all have them. But like when you're drafting in top five and you miss on somebody, and I know it's early, but the Trayvon pick, if it's an either or thing, by the way, I'm not suggesting they're the same player. I think Hutchinson is really good.

But how many sacks does, I'm afraid to say this. How many sacks did Trayvon Walker have this year? Two? He picked up one this week. Would it not be funny if these two? Three and a half? You know how many Hutch has? I know it's not just sacks.

Don't go down this road. But everybody, the, he's got four and a half. He's got four and a half. Okay. Hutch is a better player. No question. He adds a lot. He adds a lot outside.

He has a lot inside. I think he's all-round playmaker type guy, and there's a big difference between him and Walker. But the same way people overreact to that number, like, isn't it funny that Trayvon is statistically only a bucket away from Hutch? Which tells you stacks aren't everything at all. But when you look at these two guys, we like Hutch better. Hutch is the better player.

I think that'll bear out over time. And it shows now in the pressure numbers. The pressure numbers. That much has 52 to Walker's 27. Touch might be up around like number one in the league in pressures. Tie for first. And how many does Trayvon have?

27. Which is still not a bad year. No. If Trayvon ends up with 7,8, sacks, and 60 pressures, that's a fucking really good year. Especially for what you assumed he would end up with. Like just kind of watching this thing go, especially early this year.

But the point is, I got to be careful just going through thought exercises with you guys because you'll think I'm giving a take. It's just a thought exercise back into the take. Hutch and Walker. You think you miss. Okay.

Do you want to win a Super Bowl? Do you want people to, they already know you missed. Like, go get somebody. Go get somebody that can help you win a Super Bowl. And I don't know the reason that they didn't go Nab a pass rusher. We talked about Hunter.

We talked about that whole thing. But like, maybe the price was too high. I do think it's hard for GMs probably if I had to guess to let go of a take, so to speak. And not even saying like, hey, Trayvon Walker, for instance. But to bring in a reinforcement, even though it really doesn't do anything to hurt Trayvon Walker, I think some GMs are worried about the message it sends, but also the confidence. You know, if you want Trayvon Walker to get confident, he's got three and a half sack. He's starting to see some results that'll keep the public at bay

Because you know that's what you need to keep the public at bay just the sacks that's all Until unless they think you suck and then you get the sacks and they're like well That's just stats people are gonna feed whatever confirmation bias they have but I do think this is a situation where that might have at least factored in a little bit which is if it is that's dumb to me because You're talking about a window to win a Super Bowl it is more pressure with the literal number one overall pick like that's such a franchise defining moment i would never draft i would rarely draft the defensive end with the number one pick i wouldn't do it with the number two pick you're so you're looking at one i just wouldn't do it unless the guys like fucking you know like

i don't know who i could think of von miller miles garrett you knew miles garrett look at the motherfucker but he was the texanan i mean so i guess long-winded conversation about drafting and and covering up your mistakes or you know you you you know you you know you you know you know you know you the wrong side of a binary decision, like an AB decision where you take Hutch. Does that factor in for GM? I don't know. Kind of interesting to think about the way we think about it in the media.

Like it's hard to let go certain takes. Like Desmond Ritter starts bawling out. I got to be sitting here and be like, well, I still don't believe it. You know, and how much of that is like something I can't control, just my confirmation bias, and how much of it is just me walking back a take. That's a thing that you end up.

And even if you try to do your job honestly as an analyst, it's hard sometimes. You gave the take because you believe something. And they believed in his potential. And they probably still believe in that potential. Yeah. So, and hey, not giving up on the kid. I've been pounding the table for somebody to go get Hunter from Minnesota

and nobody went and got him today. The main thing we're here to talk about, though, oh, I got to talk about Donovan People's Jones. Okay, I'll give you a couple seconds on that. I think he's a good player. I think he's a possession guy. They don't have a guy like that, a real possession guy,

like a big body possession guy. I don't know how big he is, but he plays kind of big. He's big and fast. 50-50 ball guy. Yeah. So People's Jones, that's a different wrinkle for them.

The Lions keep making really good intentional moves. And they're not moves at why you sometimes. Like last year, we're going to talk about the Hawkinson trade in a little bit with Stanford Steve and Macon. This trade could make a lot of sense. sense, right? And it's not one that's turning people's heads for Cleveland. It's a little bit like,

hey, you said Nolan that maybe they want Cedric Tillman out there a little bit more. Yep. Yeah, they got a draft of this past April. You know, for a casual fan, you're like big fucking whoop, but the lines now have an Amman Ra type guy. You've got a James type guy who's a straight line. Let's see what we got here. We're trying to figure out the way to get him the ball. Had a drop on Monday night. They put it on him. It wasn't all on him. Goss put it on his back hip, put it in his back pocket. He had turned him around to catch the ball. But then you've got your Donovan People Jones now. And you've got a quality tight end. You've got two different kinds of backs. You have an offensive line. Josh Reynolds, you know,

they have Josh Reynolds, intermediate level stuff, but like they don't have anybody quite like this. So they're very complete, which is why I always say, like, Derek Goss got to play well. Yeah. And they needed to replace Marvin Jones, who had to, who left the team. And they were looking for more from him. So I view it just as kind of. kind of like fourth wide receiver insurance. And hopefully. Special team player too. Hopefully everything's okay with that situation.

It was a personal matter. Right. There's enough to take him away from the field. You got to assume something's going on. You got to assume he's not coming back for a while. And I don't know that he was getting a lot of burn anyways. Not in recent games. So,

you know, this is a good trade. It's a good solid trade. Now let's get to the meat and potatoes. The meat and potatoes of the day. I'll start with the commanders. You woke up this morning if you're a commander's fan and you say, you know, we don't have much to hang our hat on, but we got this fucking D-line, boy.

And some days we have Sam Howl. Some days we don't have Sam Howe. When you play the Eagles, it's like, we've got hope. And hope is a dangerous thing. And it's a dangerous thing for all fan bases. Because if you're watching this video or you're listening to this podcast, you have a team probably that you care about.

Another thing you talk about sports media and being an analyst is like every fan I interact with things either they hate They hate their team I don't get it this that and the third I'm emotional When in actuality most times is the fan that's being emotional if I'm wrong. It's just because I'm fucking wrong Like there really isn't a lot of emotion the most emotion I put into a game is that I have a fucking sectional sofa on a game okay and that might bleed into my analysis of the game, but I don't I don't care, dude. I don't care.

I was really hurt for the Eagles when they lost Super Bowl, but the next day I woke up and my life continued. You know, like I'm not super fan 99. I don't hate your team, okay? I actually, if there were a scale that showed like how I feel about a team, do I feel favorable about that team? Do I like that team?

Or do I not like that team? If I'm being honest, the commanders are likable. Like their fan base is likable. You guys are fucking something, man. You finally have a likable owner. You got, yeah. That's half the reason you're likable now is because you got rid of Dan Snyder. I grew up around Redskins fans.

Okay. This is the former team name. Now they're commanders fans. They were the football team. They'll go any way you want to go these fans, these commanders fans. You're fucking six and ten. No problem. We'll go to FedEx Field.

Sit under a pipe that's leaking diarrhea. You know, like they are literally diehard fans and I every year my wife my wife's one of her good friends that she played lacrosse with name was ginger miles still named ginger miles and she was a big redskins fan and she called him the four skins but she loved the four skins you know it's like it just was a big part of her life so like i respect commanders fans greatly and i'm about to address you folks because i'm sure you woke up this morning you were like what the fuck are we doing we're kind of close you're not close. Not this year. You're not close. I'm telling you. When Stanford Steve said a couple

weeks ago, we were talking about who's going to occupy that last spot in the NFC wildcard race. When he said Washington, what did I say? Schedule. I said, I'm worried about their schedule. I don't think they make a run this year. They've lost a couple times since then, right? Well, you're Josh Harris. If you're the GM there, you know, if you're Mayhew or one of these guys, if you're Ron Rivera, Ron's just like, I don't know, man, I'm year to year. I'm week to week here. But like, if you're one of these guys, here's what you're looking at the rest of the season. You're looking at the eighth toughest schedule in the league.

I didn't look that up. I just eyeballed the schedule. Then I looked up strength of schedule. These guys are eighth in strength of schedule in a bad way the rest of the year. You're not going to make a run. You're going to need nine or 10 wins to get into the playoffs. If they go six and three, I'll eat my fucking hat, whatever that means. People always say that shit, I will eat a hat.

I will eat, I will eat this dirty hat on fucking, I will eat it. I will eat this hat if Washington goes to the playoffs this year. And I know it's possible, but they're not going, dude. And that's not to say I don't like some of the players there. Terry McLaurin, I'd let him watch my kids. Never met the guy in my life. Like I just trust the guy.

He's tremendous. Brian Robinson, when he came out with that big ass, hat last year. He fucking got shot, came back, and he's running through people like a month later on the field. Sam Howell, I love that chicken eating motherfucker. I love all those guys. I love that D-line.

I was on a D-line like that. We might have been better. They don't have a Robert Quinn. Not 19-sack Robert Quinn. That motherfucker was different, boy. And we were deep. Now, this D-line is dominant. Okay, like those inside guys, amazing.

And the outside guys are really good, too. Like, you know, you got a Montez sweat. You've got to chase young. You've got some dogs there. But that doesn't mean that you should keep them together. Trust me, I was part of a group like that. It didn't get us over the hump, okay? That's the bottom line.

It's like this team's trying to win football games, not just scare the shit out of offensive linemen. Because that's what they're doing right now. They scare the fuck out of offensive linemen and the defense isn't that great, objectively. It's not that great. Total defense, not great. Front seven, scary.

It's fucking Halloween. Scary. But that doesn't mean you're going to win football games. And you pay both guys inside, and it sucks to break up the band. To this day, I'm still sad about our band breaking up in St. Louis. I got a group text. People ask me today. An Eagles fan, they always ask me because they want, they think they know my answer.

They're like, oh, he's going to dump on the pads. You know, they're like, what's the favorite team you've ever been on? 2012 St. Louis Rams. Biggest bunch of dogs I've ever been around. And we loved every minute of it. We were, we had so much fun together. But guess what? Even though we were together for four years or whatever it was,

and that's a long time in the NFL for a position group to try to stay together. And there would be four first round picks, whatever, added Aaron Donald, fucking, oh, let's go Nick, get Nick Fairley, let's go get Kendall Langford, let's get all these guys that are just, the band broke up. And that's what happens. And it's unfortunate, but at least commanders fans, you can go, Do you remember those teams? Do you remember those fucking Ron Rivera teams?

They weren't very good, but that D-line was great. You paid the guys inside. You couldn't pay both guys outside. When Montez Sweat got traded, I was like, oh, they chose Chase Young. Okay, and I don't know if this is when I was in the doctor's office or what, but then Chase Young gets traded. And you're like, oh, I guess you can't, if you can't pay either of them, you just, maybe they really like these guys.

They didn't want to offend either guy. They're like, we'll ship you both out of here. But the Montes sweat trade to me, when I first heard it, because I don't want to come across ever, like, I don't, when you're talking about trades, you're just talking about value. You're talking about teams and the value that they accrue in the trade, the wrist that they take on, that sort of thing. I hate hearing people use Chase Young to down Montez sweat. Like I got on the internet today and people were like, oh, Chicago's stupid. they didn't even pick the better D-N. If I'm Montes sweat and I read something like that,

not that he's reading anything like that, I just feel so disrespected. All he's done is be productive. His top-end production's been better than chases, his average production, his durability, all that stuff. So don't miss me with the Chicago got the worst player thing. And I'm going to get to Chase in a second because I like Chase. But miss me with that thing.

Where Chicago, I think, maybe fucked up a little bit. is if you just said, hey, Chris, tap me on the shoulder, three o'clock in the waiting room, nurse comes up, nurse is like, yo, somebody just traded for Montez's sweat. I'm like, what did it take? It took a two. If I had to guess who that team was,

one of the last teams I would have guessed would have been the Chicago Bears. Because I just don't, like, I don't understand where they think they are. And, you know, like, I think they, Poles, Cunningham, like kind of Ian's my guy. I don't know who's making these decisions or not.

They'd have to explain it to me. Because last year you go out, you ship a two for Chase Claypool. We all know it was a bad trade. At the time I didn't know it was a bad trade. We'll talk about that in a little bit. I kind of like that trade when it happened because I'm dumb.

You know, I make a dumb takes sometimes. Like I just, I see the upside sometimes and things that I want things to work out and I think like, oh, you're investing in a young wide receiver who's got nobody. This is pre-DJ Moore. It was Mooney and a bunch of Shadow Program guys. fuck yeah you need this guy you need him to have somebody to throw at the ball to and i like buying

guys low in situations where it's gone sour but obviously tomlin in pittsburgh wasn't the problem with chase claypool chase claypool is the problem and we sent him a whole thing a dip a whole thing a copenhagen the whole thing i don't think i'm sending him another one i can no offense but you know like you made my guy look bad up there in chicago they trade it for you then they trade you back down of Miami like it's all fucked up now but you do it again with another second rounder this year and it better work out like it better work out like this guy better be lights out and you better sign with a deal that feels like kind of a bargain because you gave up a two to get him like that's a lot and it's a lot from chicago like we say two like they're all equal that's a high too probably

pick in the low 30s mid 30s that's a high too and it's it's more than anything you have to pay the guy right So you're going to have to pay the guy. But by the time you're good, how good is he going to be? You know, so I didn't quite understand that one. I'm not going to give out grades because we go back in a couple minutes and we grade last year's trades. And we also talk about how they were graded initially. These guys are fucking wrong all the time. You almost fade the initial draft grade.

But I didn't get this one as much. It seems a little out of phase. Did it make any more sense when they didn't trade Jalen Johnson at the deadline? despite like all every single rumor being about Jalen Johnson. Well, I don't know how that went down, but what I read is like Jalen Johnson has been given permission to seek a trade, which is like such a interesting thing to hear

and then not actually get traded because it's kind of like, oh, fuck. You know I didn't want to be here and now they know my value is not as high as I thought it was and nobody came to save me and I'm right back here. Now I can't speak to how that relationship is in that building, but like, yeah, if I was in Chicago, I might want to be traded. Yeah, it's like in poker, you get a big bluff and you get called.

It's not a good feeling. All right. Chase Young, this was the big story, right? Because it was like Montez Sweat and we were like, oh, they're done, the whole thing. The Chase Young thing, I think, is a very good move for the, for the commanders. I get, I don't want to take it from the commander's side. I just want to talk about San Francisco side. Who is Chase Young?

Okay, I think it's the first question. I've said this before. I think when he was young, people overrated him. And three years later, whatever it is, it's been a long three, four years. I think he's underrated. Okay? And the injuries, that sort of thing,

you can't control that stuff. He's got like 15, 16 sacks on his career. But when I watch the guy, especially now, I feel like he's figuring some things out in pass rush. And I had no idea that he was in top five in pressures in the league. He's got 40 to this point. We're at the halfway mark or so, the 48th percentile mark or whatever. Damn 17 games schedule.

Oh, fucked up, dude. Now these guys are going to get more pressures than me. We're going to have to be like, oh, fuck. We had one more game. But Chase Young is a pressure machine right now. And I think that that really speaks to the fact that he's winning a lot. You see that in his past rush win, right? I don't think it's just a product of being on that D-line.

I think that can help. But he's going to another D-line that's, supposed to be pretty good. And so I really like San Francisco saying, hey, we have a problem. We're going to extinguish this fire. We're going to throw the kitchen sink at it, right? We go out and we get Randy Gregory. It's like a flyer. Okay, now we've actually got to go make a move that we put some equity into it if we want to get a return. And the move they make is sending a a three over that they got, that was a conditional three originally. It's one of those Rooney Rule minority hire picks that you get.

If you get somebody promoted, and forgive me if I'm butchering it, but the bottom line is the Miko leaving gave them a three. Okay. They know they have that three. They don't know what they want to do with it. But you know, you think about it like when I went a bet, I'm like, I'm going to do something fucked up, like a parlay with this house money, right? Like that's the way I think.

They're like, I've got this three. sitting in my back pocket. Nick Bose is out there, nine pressures in the first half, nobody else is winning. You know, Cincinnati picked us apart. What's going to be different about that matchup if you do nothing come the Super Bowl or you play, you know, the Cowboys again and it looks different or the Eagles, you're trying to make a run. And so sending a three over that you didn't have a year ago for a guy like Chase Young, who's playing like a real plus right now in the NFL. And I think also, like, like you can't ignore the factor of when a guy gets traded,

sometimes you don't want to be somewhere. You know, if he doesn't have a no trade clause, you get shipped somewhere shitty. I was told the story about Michael Brockers. Pretty funny. He's in my group text for the Rams D line. We were lighten his ass up because when Jared Goff got traded, he said something like, and Matt Stafford came to L.A.

He was like, great, we got a real quarterback, and I don't think he meant it like that necessarily, but a lot of truth just kind of comes out or it's said in jest. And obviously, it wasn't the most respectful comment towards Jared Gough, but I don't think he meant it to be disrespectful. A day later, his ass was shipped to Detroit.

And in our group text, there was no mercy. I mean, I've seen this group text gang up on probably the biggest he man on the planet, the biggest alpha on the planet, Aaron Donald, for shedding a single tier after a playoff football loss whatever it was. I'm like, give the guy a day. He's, I stayed out of that one.

But the Brock thing, that's an example of a guy that probably didn't wanna go to Detroit. And probably ended up pretty happy to be there because it was great place to play with Dan Campbell and that sort of thing, but. That's probably like what PJ Tucker felt like this morning. He sees, oh, James Hardin's traded, he's finally gone.

Yeah. Oh shit, I got traded too. You're on the same PJ. Did they get traded the same place? Yeah. Worst plane ride, PJ Tucker. He's like, fuck man. I love PJ Tucker.

I hate the fact that he had to go with James, you know? But this could be one of these situations with Chase Young because he's up, right? Like it's the same thing as Montez in Chicago. You have to make a decision on whether or not you want to pay this guy. You can worry about that later. That's what I would do.

I wouldn't sign him to a big deal right now. And a lot of times, like, these trades, you kind of get these deals done. They're not like quite NBA signed in trade things, but like you'll have a deal, talk to. about and it's in good faith and then they put the pen to paper when it gets done. I think if you're San Francisco, you want to be careful. I'm not saying, I'm not comparing it to D4 trade.

But, and I like D. Ford. D. Ford at one point was a very good rusher. And he had 13, I think, in Kansas City. Honestly, if D.4 doesn't jump off sides on that pick that went, I forget who it went to, but the AFC Championship. This is one of the biggest hidden, like, Bill Buckner situations in the NFL. Pats don't win a ring that year. Aidan's in here. Aidan's a Pats fan. Yeah, 2018. 2018. Brady's driving to win that game. Revers the Chavarious Ward Interception. The Ward. The Ward Interception. And the Ward Interception would have sealed the game,

but he's just off sides. And if it's not for that, I think he's a Super Bowl champion in Kansas City. He's a fucking superstar there. They love him. But how quickly things can turn. And then the next year, he's got to play San Francisco in the Super Bowl.

He's got to play Kansas City in the Super Bowl once he gets shipped to San Francisco. So D. Ford gets shipped to San Francisco. A week later, they signed him like a five-year, $87 million deal, which to me seems like they kind of knew what they had to do. to make that trade, they get him to this long-term deal.

He's productive that Super Bowl year. He has six, seven sacks. For a guy who's just mostly playing third down, that's a tremendous return on investment just when it comes to like on the field. And when you're burning cash when you try to win a Super Bowl, you're not worried about down the line, but eventually down the line came and he wasn't healthy.

And so like they were trying to get out of that deal, ended up retiring. He hasn't been a league for a couple years because he was hurt. And so like I guess the cautionary tale to me is like you have a guy with actual durability issues. Like I'm not saying Chase is going to get hurt again, but you've got a guy who's missed a lot of games. You're trading for him. Make it a rental with a chance to own. You know, like give yourself on the back end the flexibility to say, hey, maybe not for me.

Maybe this marriage wasn't for us. Maybe this didn't make Nick Bosa that much more productive this year. it didn't really help our defense. Maybe we lost in the first fucking round of the playoffs and Chase has just been okay. At that point, you let him walk and go make a boatload of money because he will. Or maybe he loves it there.

And I guarantee you this, if you want Chase Young back in the off season, he will want to be a 49er. Because if you want Chase Young back, that means the defense took the next step. That means he's been productive. That means he's playing opposite Nick Bosa, a guy from Ohio State. who he absolutely loves and looks up to, from what I understand.

He's with Hargrave. He's with Armstead. He's with that group of deep ends. You know, whether it takes pressure off Drake Jackson. It takes pressure off Randy Gregory. It takes pressure off these guys who are supposed to be robins, but they're like fucking, they're like the penguin. You know, like I need a robin for Nick Bosa.

Right? No disrespect. I'm just doing the Batman thing. If he can be the Robin, everybody else gets better. and those pressures for Nick Bosa turn into sacks because he's moving the platform and and I think you'll see the results if I had to guess this is going to help them if he can say healthy this is going to help them and you just avoid the D Ford situation hey fuck by the time you hear this tomorrow morning they might have already signed him to a five-year deal I would think it would be unwise okay

and just just because you have the option to wait and see and again what I said is like this guy's been going to work every day and land over Maryland. No offense, but he's in San Jose hanging out with Tech Bros right now and playing with Nick Bosa. It's fucking 75 and sunny. I was looking at those shots as I was hemorrhaging cash Sunday of San Jose, some vacant streets, top a bunch of white buildings. I was like, I want to be there. Let's all move to San Francisco and do the operation there. That's what sunshine in November feels like. And so like, I can't imagine. Chase Young being like, yeah, I want to go sign with, hmm, I don't know, pick a miserable franchise

because they paid them a bunch of money. The Browns. Well, I mean, there is something to sign it with the Browns right now, but that would have been my answer, but they're actually good. I don't want to go sign with fucking Green Bay right now to rush opposite for Sean Gary. Take that, for example.

I don't know. There is, there's power in playing in San Francisco. There's power in having Nick, so there's leverage in having this defense. It's fucking cool to be on the Niners, man, right now. So I would just let it work itself out, see what happens, and then sign him if you want to sign him. He's going to want to be there if you want him to be there.

I think they look at this a little bit like the Von Miller trade. You know, you guys mentioned that coming into this show. It's like the Von Miller trade was a huge difference in why they won that Super Bowl. This could be a kind of catalyst with flexibility on the back end to have that guy on your team for longer. Frank Clark, we talked about Frank Clark. Hey, little things like I can remember in 2018, and this is a great point.

Me and Nolan were talking about this earlier. The way I think about making a trade, and I feel like we had this conversation in the Eagles locker room. I forget what they gave up for Golden Tate. Like, I think it was like a three. a three or a four, and it was 2018. We were trying to defend the title,

and we needed another guy. We needed that kind of guy. And clutch, catch the ball at the sticks kind of guy, tough guy, it was for a three. And Golden Tate came in and he helped us. And more than anything, he kind of won us that Chicago game. Like that was, that's a playoff game.

What is a playoff game worth to you as a GM? To me, it'd be worth. I don't know, a two, a three? I was going to say second round pick, yeah. If you know that you're going to win a playoff game because of somebody, and hey, Howie's taking shots before, some that I thought would work out and didn't work out, the Robert Quinn trade.

I feel like people basically thought I made that happen. I didn't make it happen. I just love the guy. I love the Eagles, and I was super happy it happened. Who would have thought two years removed from 20 sacks in Chicago on a bad team that he wouldn't be able to get on the field and make plays for the Eagles? it didn't work out, but it was worth taking a shot at, you know, it was a four, right? Low risk, high upside move.

And I thought he might be the guy to take the ball off somebody in the playoffs in the fourth quarter. And at that point, it's worth it. So I really like this move for San Francisco. I really do. And I understand, at least from a Josh Harris perspective, you're the process guy. You like stacking picks. And next year, we talked about this.

probably gonna have a new head coach. And that new head coach is gonna want capital to make a decision. I mean, you can't have the new coach walking door and be like, hey, we got chicken man here for you. You check out some of the Eagles tape. I love Sam Howe, but you can't expect the next head coach to, so it's nice to have the flexibility.

I don't hate this move. Lastly, not lastly, Daniel Hunter did not get moved. I can't figure the Vikings out at all. Can't figure them out. They wanna win. I don't know, they think they're good. Kevin, I love you. I took the under win total.

Trust me, my Vikings win total, I'm like four in a row on this thing. Whatever side I'm on, I'm on the right side. You're not supposed to be good this year. I respect the fact, because I've been on teams that were like 500 and about mid-season, you know, even after loss of Kirk, like you still believe,

like you try to believe, you talk yourself into believing. just don't think this is now tell that to minnesota i'm not going to tell that to those guys in the in the locker room it's like when i say Detroit might not be contenders but they're really good like i'm not going to walk in that locker room and be like y'all aren't contenders what the fuck do i know it's it's it's all about how it plays out i'm not going to walk into minnesota's locker room and be like hey you guys aren't going to make the playoffs so you might want to sell everybody those guys are living in a different world we just throw shit around willy-nilly as fucking media people and say oh this team should trade this part we're playing GM we're playing tank it's a tank athon tell that to some of these

teams that just they decide they want to win games these guys are playing for their livelihoods they're putting their bodies on the line Minnesota has every right to believe that they're a good football team but they're not unlike what you were saying with the commanders though they do have an easy schedule they do have an easy schedule like they play the broncos the bears the raiders the packers the saints. Okay, let me ask you something. You slide in the playoffs. Is it worth being in purgatory?

We talked about this earlier. Purgatory in the NFL is the worst place to be. Nolan said, you got to go through hell to get to heaven. Okay? And if you go through purgatory, you're going to have to go down to the ground floor. Like at some point, you're going to have to go down to the lobby and deal with the devil. And I just don't think like Minnesota is thinking about things that way. They're smart.

They're smarter than me. Like they know what they're doing, but from where I sit, I'm just like, I don't know, man. And I understand. Even if you think you're a good team, you can't think you're a contender.

And that's the point. That's the point. Like, what are you really trying to do? And so, like, for me, we've talked about this team maybe having to draft another quarterback next year and that sort of thing.

At first, when they brought Dobbs on, I was like, oh, it could be a bridge. Yeah, this is telling this, you know, they're playing their hand a little bit. They want a bridge guy, that sort of thing. And they could still re-sign him next year to be a bridge, right? But he's up in 2024. So like this could be a rental.

He also is a guy who picks up offenses really quick. Like this, he's a chaos agent. Like I'll never forget, it's part of the reason I'm afraid to bet Atlanta, although I lean that way. I just don't see it, is I'll never forget him against Tennessee or with Tennessee against maybe it was Dallas last year or something,

Thursday Night Time Machine, heroic victory for your boy because Josh Dobbs showed up. Hey, Dallas, this year, Cardinals. John's, Josh Dobbs showed up. Like, the run game more showed up, but like he keeps showing up in these spots where he fucks things up for anybody who took the other side of the bet.

And I don't know if Kevin just really respects him and thinks he's the right guy to write the ship and keep the, because part of it is even when you lose, you got to keep people in it. And so like, you know, maybe they think they're good. Maybe they think Josh Dobbs is going to help. But what I don't understand fully is Daniel Hunter,

not getting moved and getting something for the guy who leads the NFL and sacks who you certainly don't need this year and you have on this like really curious one-year deal for 17 million the only thing we can think of because if they let him walk they're going to get a three for that the comp pick they broke this down to me earlier the top 5% at your position you get a three if you let a guy walk in free agency and more guys walked than signed with you, then you're eligible to receive compensatory picks for guys in a certain echelon at their position. Okay, and I got something cleared up earlier, which is that like it is tiered. So the best they could get for Hunter is that top five percentile, you know, deal. If he gets the

top of the market deal, which he certainly would somewhere else, they get a three. You almost certainly could have gotten like a two and some change for him, especially at the point that Monta's Tess Sweat garners a two from Chicago. So, like, I just, I don't know if it's the timing of the day. I don't know if it was Bradley Chubbs deal last year. Thank you very much, Broncos, for fucking up Hunter going somewhere else. But, like, I don't know if, you know, Hunter's agents like, hey, buddy, this is like the dude right now.

And Chub was like a one in some change. Like, I need a couple ones. Or I need like a one in a two or something fucking really, you know, that's a lever. leverage play and maybe Minnesota made it and maybe nobody everybody balked at it. He's also such a high value guy. Like when Chubb after they made that trade, he signed a $100 million extension a couple days later. Right. Like it might have been impossible to get to one of those kind of informal understandings about an extension. I don't know, man. Like maybe they're going to tag him. Maybe they'll tag him and trade him. Maybe they'll tag him and pay him.

maybe Hunter is sitting there in the locker I'm like, Kirk, explain this shit to me. Like, how have you gotten so fucking rich? Oh, I signed a one-year deal. They're going to tag me. Then eventually I get the free agency or I get traded, whatever it is. The tag's like $20 million for a defensive end next year.

And that doesn't seem that bad to me considering some of the guys that are making $20 million in the NFL right now. I can remember when making, I don't even want to say it. I felt like I was the richest guy in the world. Now these guys are making more than, double that. And, you know, like, all things told, I just don't know what to make about Minnesota. I don't. Like, what's going to happen next year to Hunter? Why didn't somebody go get him? I think

somebody fucked up. Whether it's Minnesota for not accepting a huge hall of picks, when you don't have a quarterback, you sell, right? Or it's like a Jacksonville. I don't, I'd really love to know, fly on the wall, what was talked about with Hunter, what phone calls were made, what, that they asked for and who wasn't willing to pay up. Because at some point, somebody internally is gonna be sitting there like, we should have fucking traded for this guy. You know, I don't know if it's,

I don't know if it's in the AFC championship when Jacksonville is playing Lamar or Patrick Mahomes or one of these guys, or Tua. I don't know, it's gonna be one of these situations where, and it might not be Jacksonville, it might have been somebody else, but it's not San Francisco because they went out and got a rusher.

I don't know why Hunter sat where he did. Last person, Leonard Williams. Okay, this was one of the earliest trades. People were like, okay, we're going to get some big trades today. Leonard Williams, bright and early. Like, not a huge trade, but one that definitely is relevant. Ended up being like this trade, as far as contenders go, is as important as any of the trades.

Because we're talking all day about the San Francisco 49ers. And trust me, I think they're scary when they're healthy. I picked him to go to the Super Bowl But the team that holds the number one spot in the NFC West right now Is the Seahawks So they're trying to win a fucking Super Bowl Like they're not just trying to make the playoffs They're not waiting and seeing like Minnesota

Like this team is in right now to win And they also know what's in their way And so yeah it's a steep haul Especially when you're not for sure that you'll be able to sign them I think you make that trade knowing you can sign them I don't think you ship a two and a five in New York just thinking how he's going to walk after the season. Part of the two is the Giants eating 9.3.

That's part of it. 10 million, basically, the Giants agreed to pay on that deal. So maybe that's part of it, but I still think you've got to feel like we can get this deal done. Pete Carroll said, I think he's going to want to be here, man. Like when he gets a... I think he's going to want to be here.

You know, like I'm going to have him shooting baskets in the morning, like Dan Quinn before meetings and shit. Like, he's going to love it. You walk outside of Pacific Northwest. Like, why wouldn't you want to be in Seattle? Well, it rains a lot. But I think Leonard Williams is going to want to be there. And so it's another situation where it's like,

you've been in New York with Brian Davel. It's been awful. You're going to come in this building. There's going to be a lot of energy. You came from a place with good rushers. We got two dudes inside who are pretty good, right? We got Reed. We got Draymond Jones.

We have Mafé outside, who I've compared to Cliff Averill from just a, you know, skill set standpoint, like he's just a bullet off the ball, he's an edge guy. Having a Leonard Williams inside shortens the edge. It's not an abstract concept. Having a guy who plays with power inside shortens the edge for edge rushers. So your pass rush is like a force, a force multiplier, and in the run game, because you got San Francisco twice in like a month span coming up. These are going to be big games when it comes to home field advantage. It could be the difference between the Super Bowl and nothing for the Seahawks.

Because if you get home field advantage, they're as good as anybody. The Seahawks, if they want to stop that run game, and they already know this because they have a good run defense, penetration kills wide zone. And penetration with a guy who,

he's not just a runaround guy, he's not just a fucking backdoor guy. Leonard Williams is a big man who can set the edge from a three technique. I mean, watch his tape. There are plenty of plays where he's got that guard, four yards in the backfield.

and the edge is set. So like when you're playing San Francisco, we talk all the time about making moves to combat people in your division. I think this is like, it's good for you in general, but it also helps you get that much closer to being the best team in the NFC

or the NFC West at least. So I don't think they're there, but if they have a home field advantage, they're fucking scary, and they have to be having that conversation, at least to win the West. It's good for the Giants too. At least they're self-aware enough

to know what they are. And unlike maybe 13th, Raiders, they're a team that's willing to spend $10 million to help themselves acquire capital. Yeah. And if I were the Giants, I would have absolutely shipped Sequant. It's easy for me to say, I don't know what you could have gotten for him. It sounded like it was a non-starter with the owner. I think the guy's awesome. I think the guy deserves to be somewhere else. I also think like you're not going to be able to get that sort of stuff for him down the line. Now, he's only on a short deal, but like I don't know what's going to happen with that so Giants credit to them for at least selling a big defensive piece and they have plenty of them on defense not plenty of them but you've got a bona fide dog inside you have a guy Kay von Tibuto is second to league in sacks right now dude okay Nolan you could say it it's past it we think that might be a little bit

bit of an aberration, but the guy's fucking playing well. Okay, like, you look up at the top of the list and I open it up, I was like, Kvone's got eight and a half. Had three this weekend. Good for him. Good for the Giants. Good for the Seahawks. That's all the trades today.

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during the games. Auburn Hills, Michigan. Hello! Good call. Good call. Steve was there. Wow. Steve was there. Steve, how is Detroit? first time being outside in Detroit. Usually it's just a stop at the old airport,

Delta Terminal and get on the run to the next plane and go. But I was actually fired up to see Ford Field just because the excitement level, where they're at, and like literally walking in, security guys are like, what do you think tonight? What do you think tonight? I'm like, what do I think tonight? This is, wow.

This is them. Real life Lions fans. don't know many, but they are scarred from years of sucking. And it's really interesting to see Scott and I were talking about on the plane home. Like, they don't know what to do. Like, they're good. And like, like chance or even crowd noise, like I really think they're just so humbled from previous years that they're afraid to celebrate. And I got news for them.

Let it all out, man. This team's as banged up as they were last night and walking around the field. Seeing Max Crosby pregame. That's a whole other conversation. God, that guy's awesome. The rookie Wilson, holy moly, is he huge? He's huge. Yeah, how good he is.

Don't know yet. But, like, had a chance to establish contact with Frank Ragnall years ago when his dad passed and reached out when Belema was the coach at Arkansas. So we've talked for a long time, first time again talking. He's in street clothes and he's, you know, he's banged up. There are other linemen's banged up. They don't have Montgomery. And you just see, again, Chris, we've talked about it forever. This team is a mentality and a mindset and a representation of their head coach.

By any, by all means necessary, we're going to get the job done. Now, on the other side, that team, I think, is trending to one of the worst teams in the league. They don't do one thing well besides Max, Rosby lining up. And it's when you're in that situation and you have a vulnerable Detroit team and you can't do anything to take advantage of it, it's a credit to Detroit. They got game breakers. Jemir Gibbs came on after.

Impressive dude. I thought it was really telling when he said it was frustrating, you know, being a guy for his whole life and then getting to the league and not getting that chance. And now he gets the opportunity in week eight on the biggest stage and he does that. Like that's just the credit. I mean, this organization, you see what they drafted. You see what the output of the rookies are. Their top four picks this year.

Like that is good stuff. And I thought Aikman was great talking about being a part of Dallas's rebuild. And he feels like, you know, you got pieces here. You got a stud tackle. You know, you got skill guys all over the place. You got a defensive end that you took with your first pick. I just think it's phenomenal to see. And honestly, those people,

don't know what to do. And I'm just, just let it all out, man. Enjoy it. Embrace the journey. You're on a buy. Dan said after the game, life is good.

Six and two going into a buy. Couldn't be happier for him. It was really, really cool. I like that stadium too. Well, listen, the first thing that jumps out at me is I was on the wrong side of this,

wrong side, Chris, Chase Long, whatever you want to call me. But he said the lions were banged up. Vegas is missing divine Diablo. Okay? Like, so they were playing short-handed,

too anyways i just i i i want to say this ford field 22 years no no playoff games they're gonna host a playoff game and we talked a lot on this show about um the need for them to host more than one playoff games and when you look at the rest of their schedule it's pretty fucking it's pretty good i mean for for for the lions uh bears twice vikings twice broncos chargers packers saints and cowboys so you know like the one thing about this team that's interesting to me is they have blown out the bad teams that they have played. You know, five or six of their wins or whatever it is, double-digit wins. You have the Kansas City win in your back pocket. If you don't have that win, I think a lot of people are doubting them even more than they are right now.

But I think this is a team that if they play at home and they're healthy, they are scary because their floor is high. Even though we looked at the Baltimore game, that's a road contest, outdoors, that sort of thing. didn't have David Montgomery. If they're playing at home, I think their floor is high enough that they can go toe to toe to toe with almost anybody. I still think Jared Gough has to play a little bit better in spots.

Yep. Okay, like, that's not taking anything away from Jared Gough. Big Jared Gough fan. Last night, they asked Aikman, what can Jared Gough be for this team? And it took a big second and was like, everything, you know? But the elephant in the room is that guy's got to play his best ball for them to win a championship.

And that's a big one. one. And that's when we talk about like home field advantage, we're not making these concerns up about Jared. I mean, like outside in the elements, that's not where he plays his best ball come January. I think Ford Field would be a great place. And I was watching the game last night, and Meg was like, these fucking Detroit people are crazy. Is it like Philly? And it's funny. They do have that edge to them. They do have that diehard kind of mentality. But the Michigan people have a different kind of edge. It's hard to describe. It's also Halloween.

Yeah, it's also Halloween, for sure. So we saw more costumes than usual. But the Michigan Edge is different than the Philly Edge. They are similar fan bases in that, you know, they're going to die hard for that team. They're very passionate, blue collar, the whole city, the whole thing. But I think that because of what they've been through, the personality is a little different. And I'm glad you got to go see that in person. Yeah, first, I think security getting in the building.

I think it was Batman, just checking us in. in and then you go through and a lot of cigarette smokers outside. Yeah, no question. Where our trucks were, I didn't realize we were in DART City. Cigarette heaven. DART city.

No, it's really weird because, you know, our security guys are telling us, you know, Arrowhead only has one tunnel. They name another one. And all these new stadiums, you have multiple tunnels, so you have, you know, media going one way, locker rooms one way. We literally walk through the crowd to get down to the field

because of where our trucks were outside the dome and the tunnel being all the way on the other side where the locker rooms were. And you go through this little gate and you see, you know, they let the fans down on the field if you have the right passes pregame. So we're walking down and it gets like there's this little fence in the rotunda and then you go around that.

So it's kind of like dark. It's by the bathrooms. And I literally got the shit scared out of me. When I turned the corner, it's just this guy in a, lion's jersey hat but he had the michael meyer's mask on and i was like what the hell is that and this is like i don't know seven o'clock like it's an hour before a kick and i'm just like oh i want to go down this hallway yeah exactly i'm like this is the only way we got to go down this way yeah uh so it was yeah it was full force i mean the lion the lion heads you know chris you had the dog

the dog mask forever they put on full lion heads yeah Yeah. Like I can't. Like, dudes are just dripping and sweat when they take it off to pound their tall boy in Miller Light. Like, it was a scene. But again, like, I just, I could see it in their faces that they've gotten ahead of their thoughts and their feelings on a couple wins in past years of all this misery. You know, Barry Sanders is on the show. Just an absolute legend. And to think that building, as you said, never hosted a playoff game.

that's going to change this year and I couldn't be happier for him. That is, that's an all-timer fan base that I haven't seen have success in my life, you know, especially since Barry.

That was the only blip. It's crazy the power vacuum that exists when Aaron Rogers leaves. And I know Detroit was making steps and beat that team last year and that sort of thing. But like, you know, you get the Aaron Rogers situation in Green Bay. They're awful.

Chicago's got their issues, obviously. That's not a good football. football team and Justin Fields hurt. And then Kirk Cousins tears his ACL last week. And it's like it's all laid out there for you. Achilles, sorry. He'll be back in a few weeks, according to Kyle and Nate on Monday because they saw Aaron Rogers throwing. Can we stop with this? I mean, like, no people can't. They can't. It's just like, oh, well, he's going to be back. It's pretty impressive. He's throwing a ball on the sideline. Well, no quarterback, whoever towards

Achilles took the time every week to go throw on the sidelines. So, of course, it's the first for you. But the Lions would impress me about them this game is two weeks ago they had a lead in Tampa and they threw the ball 40-something times and you're like, where's this run game? You have to have a second layer to it with Montgomery out. And I don't think the plan for them was to give Gibbs the ball 30 times at this point in the season.

I think this was like, let's roll him out as the season goes on and if he has to be a feature back, we make him a feature back. But he really was a feature back last night. and everything they did was inside run. You know, Gibbs bounced it a couple times, and that's where he can be really dangerous, but I thought that was like a telling sign that not only they believe in him to be that feature back,

take a full game's workload, but also run it into the teeth of the defense constantly. And I think what's good about him is he's a smaller guy. You look at him, you think a guy you split out, a guy you hit the perimeter with, but he's downhill. I mean, he does not take much time in the backfield before he hits a hole. That touchdown, the spot that he fit his body into was about the size of,

you crack a door open, that's where he fit. And then the bounce. Yeah, to get lateral and then get vertical. He jumped cut into that hole, and the hole's about this big. So I'm really impressed with Gibbs. I think all, you know, rock fights or not rock fights, these games on Thursday night or Monday night, we complain about them. But they all give us something.

You tell me any game last year. Somebody last night tweeted this last night. Somebody was like, okay, do Broncos Colts. That was the Baron Browning game. It was also so ugly I couldn't look away. Every one of these primetime games gives us something. I'll always remember this is the Gibbs game. But I think for the Lions, you know, they had trouble in the red zone without Montgomery.

Last, you know, the last game I'm talking about in Tampa Bay, but also last night, right? Goal to go three times, three field goals. I mean, they have to fix that. It can't just be, oh, well, my. Montgomery's out because guess what? These things happen. So I think maybe you go sign the girl that pulled Montgomery into the stands. Or that pulled Gibbs in.

Yeah. That was impressive. She's strong. Yeah. I mean, really strong. I think it's great for Detroit and on the other side of things. And one thing I want to mention with Detroit is Lee McNeil, who sometimes when a player who people don't pay a lot of attention to has a big game in prime time, it's like a coming

out party. And anybody who's watched the Lions all year knows that like Hutchinson gets a lot of credit, but this guy is their second best dude. And, you know, I'm not saying in total, because I think Brian Branch is a great player and all that stuff. And they've got some good players in the back end. But Alie McNeil up front is a huge deal and he had a great game. I thought Aaron Glenn called a great game. But on the other side of it, the Raiders are trash. And this time of year, it sucks because, well, it doesn't have to suck. We're going to talk about locks in a little bit and that sort of thing, but the last two prime time games, I bet, I've taken dogs catching a ton of points. Mistakes, this is a time of year where teams pull away.

And if you can spot these bad teams before people get keen to it, you can make some money. That's advice I'd give you Monday morning quarterbacking. But like, the Raiders are cooked, man. Jimmy G. The most aggressive thing they did. And I was on the wrong side of this thing, you know, because you could take all this red zone stuff away and Detroit wins this thing going away. But in the circumstance of the game,

there's the cover on that deep ball, Devante Adams. DeVos could have a 95-year touchdown and a 70-yard touchdown. I mean, and this is the most aggressive thing you did last offseason as a team was bring in Jimmy G. You know, so like it doesn't feel like they're trying to win from a roster standpoint. Like you said, Max Crosby is it defensively for them. And I want to make this point. He might be and pay attention to words I use because people love to extrapolate and they don't pay attention. Disruptive. He might be the most disruptive

guy in the NFL down in and down out. He had eight tackles last night. There are multiple TFLs where he's unblocked. And so yeah, you're kind of like their layups, but I've tried to make those layups. For 11 years, I tried to make those layups. They are tough layups to make. You have to have the pre-snap awareness

but then the explosiveness and the playmaking ability that I think really separates him in the run game is he can make plays in the run game like that chase down play like like dropping the reverse for six yards and everything he does in pass rush and he does all this with the with the least help around him you know name your favorite defensive player in the league there's nobody that has less help than max crosbie and so as we talk about defensive player of the year and that sort of thing I don't know if he'll have the numbers and I don't know if he's on the team or in the market but this guy is as good as

anybody at affecting a football game and he does it alone. And without getting a blow. Without getting a blow. I said this last night, I texted you. It's like he's from 2005. And I mean that to say like, you know, there's guys that are throwbacks and you're like, yeah, they're from the 70s. They're from the 80s.

I feel like this guy's got all the shit to him that a post-2000s NFL player has, but he's got that old CBA attitude. Freeney. 80 snaps a game. Stray hand. Yeah. Jason Taylor. Something.

Okay. But he's a dog. He's a dog. He doesn't come off the field. He's a throwback. But he's built for the modern game. And I just love him. So hats off to him.

And hats off to really that defense for hanging in there. Because that was tough. And they were going to run the ball 40 times. And they hung in there for a while. But I got to wonder what Tom Brady's advice is. Because he's like an advisor to Mark Davis, right? And an advisor to Josh McDaniel. And he's got to go in or hop on a,

conference call this week and be like yeah you want to bench that guy jimmy j you know like that's his buddy and everything but i i don't see where this is going and i've got a lot of respect for jimmy it's like that first that first fucking series he's got a bad back he's running the sticks he puts his back into the guy at the sticks and he's trying to get he's scratching and clawed i have so much respect for jimmy uh but i just don't think he's it right now for them and i don't know who is it or what they're trying to do. So the Raiders, I feel for you. Worst team in the league? I don't want to overreact.

Okay. Good call. Listen, they play the Giants at home next week. They play the Giants at home and then they played the Jets in prime time two weeks from now. What's the total in that game? Oh, this is tough.

Tough if you're ready. Giants Raiders is 37 and a half. Yeah. Well, it might be lower. Jets is going to be like 34. Yep, depending on what happens next year. And we talk about, you know, like right now as we're recording, because we have Halloween shit, we're all dads. It's 1240 in the afternoon.

So a lot's going to happen between, or not, between now and four o'clock. Steve and I were talking about this before he got on. But like year to year, it just depends. Like sometimes you think a bunch of things are going to happen and they don't. But I was looking back at some of the last year's trades around the deadline and that sort of First off, I want to ask you guys this. This came from Reddit. This is about the Deshawn Watson trade.

24 games into an 85 game contract. It's a five-year deal, 2.30. Everybody knows the details. They gave up three ones, a third, two fours. They've got five wins with Watson on the field. Nine of 10 of those, actually eight to 10 of those. He's below league average in a lot of the metrics that you want to look at.

When you look at quarterback, so he's playing below average in most of those games, the return on investment's been five wins. Before the end of this contractor, are we gonna be able to say with certainty is the worst trading in NFL history? I sure think so. As a Broncos fan, yes.

You like that. It's just like considering. When the Texans are three and four. Yes, yes. And the Texans have been getting fleece for years. I mean, they gave up D-Hop and woke up the next day without a first-round pick. It's like, so I look at this trade, and I just say, considering the context of the franchise and what they've been after for what feels like 30 years,

you know, a quarterback that, you know, we can trade in our jersey with all the names on it and just buy this quarterback's jersey, not only do you roll the dice on a guy with a bunch of cases on his head and civil cases and that sort of thing. So from a moral standpoint, it's kind of like icky. But it's football, it's icky as fuck on the field, too. I mean, this might be the worst one in history before it's all said and done. Now, he could remember how to play football down the stretch here, get healthy. He could do that next year.

He could do that the year after that. But as it sits right now, if this trend continues, I can't think of a worse trade. Five wins, six picks. It's wild. All of it fully guaranteed. Now, a little update on Derek Henry, this is interesting, because we talked about this a lot last week, Steve. We said Henry to Baltimore.

You know, not the only one saying it, but it would have been great. It still could happen. This is from Cole Jackson on Twitter. You know, he's quote tweeting, Schaefter. They're all over the internet today, man. I am on the internet. It's trade day.

Schaefter said yesterday that the potential for a deal diminished because they didn't hit the deadline to restructure his deal. I guess he's got 5-5. left on his deal evidently there was a deal in place this according to cole jackson he's a freelance balto it's hard with these blue checks now i don't know who's who but evidently there was a deal in place but it was vetoed by the owner and amy adams denies this claim but it kind of makes you wonder if that's really what's going on there i know they were asking a lot for him it sounds like

but these owners got to get out the fucking way if that's the case and it's the same thing in new york i felt like sayquan was never even on the table because mara uh has a thing for him you know like you love the guy you're going to get him killed and he's going to play for nothing in new york so i just i don't know what you make of that steve but i still feel like if you want to trade henry now's the last opportunity you have to get something good for him yeah and then you come out in the great uniforms and will levis plays the game of his life and it's like oh wait maybe we do have a chance you're looking around the conference uh yeah i i i look at the the situation right and and that's the problem in this league is this situation feels like it changes every three to four days you just went we just went through the the commanders you know lack of hope and how how promising it was so for you i mean you've been on this uh you know as as the situation the timing of it all if not now when i agree yeah i i don't see much in in the way you you look at uh what you have moving forward there's too much

that is out of your control. You know what I mean? Like you're already behind the eight ball with your record. So therefore, now you're relying on teams to lose and that. And you're not even confident in your own self with the schedule you have moving forward. So I'm an agreement.

If not now, when? Just let it go. This is it. I know we're off-season or in-season trade, but now with the way he's playing, where's the A.J. Brown trade. Yeah, dude. I mean, good Lord.

Also, Tennessee. fucking ships AJ Brown away for nothing. And now I know you don't want to repeat the mistake, but this is the wrong guy to try not to repeat the mistake with. I mean, this is the situation. You do ship a great player. But then Baltimore goes and wins a Super Bowl with Derek Henry, and it's going to be AJ Brown part two.

Exactly. And you worry about your own legacy. You worry about the legacy, so it's tricky and that sort of thing. And if you're Derek Henry, I got a feel for the guy because he'll never say it. But, and maybe he wants to be a lifetime titan and that sort of thing. and he's built such a great legacy in that city and he's synonymous with the franchise. I can't think of too many guys

who are more synonymous with that franchise and Derek Henry. I mean, when you look up, it's Eddie George, it's, it's McNeer, it's, it's Derek Henry, it's guys like that. But I got to feel like he wants to be somewhere else. And that's just a guess. You know, like, and he's got to sit there today and maybe he knows what's being done on the phone

but it's got to be a long day for him and a long weekend going in Sunday, suiting up, playing worried about getting hurt, worried about that. It's just crazy what goes on this time of year. And as promised, last year's trades, okay, I want to revisit a couple of them because this is kind of funny. Because when they grade these trades in the beginning, it's always like, it's a fucking toss-up. They just have clay pool? That's exactly what Justin Fields needs. Exactly.

And when we talk about the bears making a trade that they hope works out in their favor, we talked about Claypool. And I like to trade when it happened, hand up. I was like, yeah, get this guy a weapon. I buy guys low. Like I'm with that. But a two for him turned into Joey Porter Jr. And, you know, it's tough.

So like here's one last year that the Lions got shit on for the Hawkinson trade. This is the best one. This is maybe the best one. Because they don't have to pay him. And they get a, they get a 23 second round pick and a 24 conditional fourth rounder. You know who they picked in the second round in 20203?

Well, with their own pick, Sam Leporta, and then with this one, Brian Branch. Brian Branch. So like you got your tight end anyways, and then you go get a real plus on defense. Incredible. I mean, and we're not even talking about what Brad Holmes and Dan did in the first round,

you know, which was the guy last night who they just had stashed and ran for like 160 in a game that they probably don't win if he's not on the field. That's another thing about the Lions last night. Somebody asked me how I feel about the Lions. I told you everything I told you earlier in the show.

And somebody who's a little more cynical said they lose to a good team tonight. Like that's, and that's probably true. But when you have Sam Leporta who caught six, seven balls last night, you got Gibbs, you got all these guys that stepped up with us. other guys down. It speaks to the depth and what they've been able to do in the draft and that

sort of thing. So that was a big one that got shit on right off the bat. But I think it's a win for the Lions. And, you know, like, I'm looking at the Bradley Chubb trade as well, because this was one that, like, the dolphins felt like contenders. They were, they are. Chubb and a fourth rounder in 24 to the Dolphins for Edmonds and a 2003 first round. pick. The Dolphins lost this trade. Is there any, you know, I like Bradley Chubb a lot. I really enjoy the guy watching him play. He's physical, all that stuff. But like when you go ship that kind of capital, he better be like an elite pass rusher. And that's a tough deal. And now they've been able to survive that because they have other guys that have played. I mean, I talk about the importance

of Jalen Phillips. I mean, they nailed that. He's such a good. good player. And Chubb's a good compliment to him, but they gave up a lot to go get the guy. And when they traded for him, I think he was averaging two pressures a game at that point. So they kind of bought the guy low and it's just kind of stayed the way it is. So that was another interesting one from last year. I don't remember. That happened at the deadline.

It did. And then the Broncos unloaded that pick for Sean Peyton. And it turns into Sean Payton. Right. So if you like Sean Peyton and you think an NFL head coach is, is in. important you know they basically got Sean Payton for Bradley Chub we actually had chub booked for the show that day yeah then he got traded he got traded yeah and again like like Bradley Chubb always talked him up on this show but like when you're talking about

trades we're just talking about value okay so I'm not going to hold that against the guy he is who he is and he's a good player but that's a lot and so I look at that one I look at ridley to the Jags I love this I love that the Jags just it's it's a great great move it's paid off even if it's been inconsistent this year like they're definitely better um and i project through the year what they're going to look like in january they're definitely better than they were last january with him on the team and ridley goes to the jaggs for a 2023 conditional fifth and a 24 conditional second that's a low second round pick so um you know it's it's not like it's not like the Falcons are making out like bandits on this trade. And I think I think Jacksonville

made a great move here. So I would grade that one. Whatever, A plus, A minus, something like that. The McCaffrey trade is interesting. Because really, you're looking at what they got for them. They're all in the team now, right? Pretty much. Mingo, DJ Johnson, Chandler's Zavala. So Nolan, you can speak to this better than I can, but how these guys been doing? Zavala has played some in spots coming along. Mingo is exciting, but I think for them, it made sense for the Niners to take McCabry, obviously. He's kind of the straw that stirs of drinking that offense. It's crazy.

To give up a ton for a running back and still win in today's NFL. It's that system. That's the system that will do. That's the system that will do it. We always talk about trading for a running back. Either you're a contender, you need one more piece. or it's got to be a system and and I think they won that trade the last one make I want you to tell me how you feel about he chosen Robbie chosen that's kind of a wild one to think somebody went out

and got him I know it's just like a seven the Cardinals for a six and a seven six and a seven hey one reception this year for 68 yards and touchdown's crazy yeah it's slugging percentages it's up there the Tony trade see you it's so tough to fucking you're happy right yeah but so are the chiefs because I think if they don't have Tony, they don't win a Super Bowl. And it's the most confounding thing because the fuck, they can't get anything out of the guy.

And I've been so into his upside. But when you hear about the kind of prep guy he is, the kind of guy he is in the building, like that's the double-edged sword. And I don't think he's talented enough to outweigh those negatives. But they kind of get a ring out of that move. So that's a rare win-win a year later.

It's just interesting. There's a few teams in history that have added, like, a small piece that put them in the Super Bowl. Your win with the Pats, you got Van Nuoy from the Lions to fill out that defense. That was a big one. And then your dad's Super Bowl with the Raiders, they got Mike Haynes for just a canful of picks. It was a Hall of Fame corner. Oh, wow. And then, you know, like also, I alluded to this the other day, but the year we won the Super Bowl with Philly.

And a lot of the reason I think maybe Howie might be active today to grab a Dalvin Cook type guy, we'll see, you probably heard it in the open because I record the open. open later today when all the trades come in. But like Dalvin Cook would be a nice piece. Howie added Jay Ajai our Super Bowl year. You know, it's like, oh, we got LaGarrett Blunt. We have Corey Clement. Why had another running back?

It's good to have a stable. So we'll see what happens the rest of the day. I hate buying tickets. I've been playing my whole life. Never had to worry about buying tickets. The ticket part is stressful. The game's stressful. Ticket part's really stressful.

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Steve. Yes. Let's talk about college football. Let's do it. I'm hearing this is just an amazing weekend. NFL Slate very good too. But yes. We have 12 power five matchups between winning teams,

14 overall and the FBS level. And when you get to this stretch, obviously you look down and you, You especially, Chris, always want good games, good matchups. Yes, I do. You need a little buy-in. You need a little reason to sit down and turn Mario card off the big screen and tell the boys to sit down. And let's watch some balls.

Well, Wayland's really into college football. And he's also really into being on the other side. Like any game that I'm on, he's asking me who I'm pulling for. He goes, I forget what he says. Who do you? It's not the word bet. It's like a different word. He doesn't quite understand it.

I was explaining lines. Would you favor? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. And then he just takes the other side, you know? It's fucking, yeah. So. That's a real easy way to find your way up to your room, whaling.

Exactly, dude. Before we get into the preview, how was Salt Lake City? You get drunk? Yeah, did you get drunk? No, you can't. It's impossible. Like, you really can't? No.

What do you mean? No, I'm just kidding. Okay, what's it like? Yes. He was plaster. It's, it's, it's, it's one of these places you have to actually experience, right? I mean, when you fly in there, the mountains are right there, it's absolutely gorgeous. And the thing that's cool about Utah, Salt Lake City, is airports 10 minutes from the

city, and you're in a big city, you know, you walk around, you got your big steakhouses, you got your Morton's, you got your Capitol Grill, you got your cheesecake factory. Shout out to the beer bar. Bruce Chris? Ruth Chris, I believe, is that too. Walk City. But, uh, I mean, off in the distance, you see Park City, you see the mountains. Again, it's absolutely gorgeous. I have not vacation there. I'm not a skier, but obviously now everybody just saying, yeah, go to, go to Colorado, go to Breck and go to Aspen.

You know, we'll keep our little Utah to ourselves. But it's just really cool. And, you know, you got the jazz and the youths. Those are the only shows in town. And Rice Eccles is really, really good. Now, it wasn't good after Oregon went up, seven nothing, but before that, it was, it was ready to pop. Game day was absolutely incredible. We were down, like, on this rolling lawn and being low, all you see when you look into the crowd is the signs and everybody up front.

So when we went back to do the field goal with Pat and Herbie, you really got a sense of how many people were there. just kept walking and walking. You're going through people. And it was just really cool. Like they brought it. I mean, it was, I think it was 29 degrees when I went out there for my first sports center hit with our guy, Randy Scott. And, you know, the other thing is like sunrise, whatever it is, 712, that thing don't get over those mountains for like an hour. Right. So you can see, you know, the skyline. You're like, come on, man.

We need that sun up here because feet start freezing, but not fun as hell. blown away, really, really impressed with Oregon and what they've looked like since that loss to Washington and what Washington has done since beating Oregon. So when I move that and fast forward to the rankings, I think there's a couple things to look out for that are super interesting. And that's, does Georgia's past reflect their ranking in this first one,

meaning are we still have this image of back-to-back national championships and do they get credit for it? Or are we going resume-based and looking at the teams that have multiple ranked wins like an Ohio state and like a Florida state and are they ranked ahead of Georgia and Michigan? I think they should be, but I don't think they will be. And the other thing is how are the one-loss ranked teams now? Because when you look at the one-losses, you know, Oregon with the loss to Washington, Texas with the loss to Oklahoma, Oklahoma with the loss to Kansas, Bama with the loss to Texas,

how are we going to stack those people up and can they make it up? Because now I think the Big 12 is in trouble. If everybody runs the table, if Oregon runs the table, they're going to the playoff. If Texas or Oklahoma do, I'm not so sure now because you got to figure one of the Big Ten is getting in. You got to figure the SEC's getting in. And Florida State, if they run it, like one of them is getting left out. And now that we've played more games and we're in the conference play, I think the Big 12 is in the most dangerous spot.

of not making the playoff because of how what's panned out and what's ahead. Steve, have you tried that that field goal? That kid was getting clown this week, but he nearly made it. He did. He did. The second one hit the middle of the stanchion. What do you call it the post? Yeah.

When it's one out of the ground, the one pull out of the ground. The base. It's right in the middle. The base. Yeah, he hit it dead dead in the middle of the bait. Like he hit the base. Have you tried that kick? I have not tried it.

for fear of missing it falling yeah like that turf is like frozen and i just know with sneakers um it's it's a no one situation but it is absolutely fantastic uh the excitement it brings the energy the amount of people that it's kind of funny that are rooting against the kick and then the people that are rooting for the kick it's you'd be surprised how many people are like no chance no way um But it's been a ton of fun. And yeah, he was getting clowned. He did have cowboy boots on to start the show and trade it out. So I thought that was a smart move.

So, yeah, we'll see what Tuscaloosa brings. We did not do the field goal on the quad at Alabama last time. So this will be the first time there. So open. Ryan Rosillo invited me to Tuscaloosa, okay? Now, I don't have enough money to get down there after this past weekend. but if I were to get down there, I feel like I want to get down there for a day game

so you can go out afterwards. 7.45, that game's going to finish about 1115. What time did the bars close in Tuscaloosa? 645 local because we're on Central Time. Oh, God, that's a big difference. And I believe we turn the clocks back. Man, I could bet the under Thursday night, big and then get down there.

There you go. Do you turn the clocks back? We turn the clocks back. It's another hour at the bar. It's like two extra hours. That makes it get you a full day on the quad, which is absolutely spectacular. You factor in, you got LSU coming to town. That's a whole other level that the quad will be raised to.

And in that stadium, those two teams, I really find it fascinating how Alabama fans have this stature, this arrogance. and when, you know, their rivals Auburn, obviously, but they won't admit it, but they despise LSU. Yeah. Like they, they, just the way LSU goes about it. There's more bravada. They're flasher. Spoken.

They're, yeah, they're more fun too. Well, I can't say that for sure about Bama people because I haven't been down there. But when I've gone to a sugar bowl, like, you just hang around and eventually you run into some LSU fans and they kind of adopt you the whole weekend and just take you around and get you drunk and act like you're one of theirs. I love the LSU people. Yeah, there's nothing better. So then, like, them, in fact that they're invading their town is really spectacular.

And when you go back and look a couple, you know, obviously you got the Burrell game in 19, and in 21, Coach O had no reason to be in that game, and they gave Alabama all they could. So when you factor this in, the way Coach Saban is, the way he has treats this LSU game, and LSU coming in with Brian Kelly, who's never afraid to talk about how confident he is in his team. You have Jaden Daniels, who I believe is the Heisman frontrunner right now, and then you have Alabama who's back to the defensive mindset. I think it makes for a fantastic matchup. I do think Alabama has the goods to slow down LSU,

and I think LSU's defense is not up to par and the struggles that Milro has had. I believe Alabama's gotten better and better offensively, so I like Alabama in the game right now. How about Missouri, Georgia, 15 and a half in Athens, 54 and a half to total. Where do you lean? I saw this posted on my flight home Saturday night at 18 and a half and I took Missouri.

I just think it's too much. Now, last year, Missouri had Georgia in Columbia. Like, they had them, and Stets and Bennett pulled one out of his hat, and they got the run game going late, and they got out of there with a must win. But now you look at the matchup, and all credit to Georgia,

they, I mean, they are ascending at the right time. They've had a bunch of guys out. We know that Bowers is out. but Carson Beck is a guy that's shown that he deserves this opportunity and this day and age of guys sitting out and looking to go elsewhere. I mean, the kid stuck it out. I give him all the credit in the world. And now he's got Ladd McConkey back.

Ra Ra, Ra's back healthy. He does have Delpet tight end who's, you know, a not, you know, a shell of Brock Bowers, but he's still a threat to go vertical. They get the running back back. They should have Mims the left tackle back, who's a possible first rounder in the NFL. So I looked at Georgia before last week. So they had Florida, Missouri, Ole Miss, and at Tennessee.

One of those games is going to be a fight. And I just can't figure out which one it's going to be. I would be willing to bet it's going to be this one. The issue I have is Missouri being able to get to Beck. They're pretty good on the back end, but you saw them struggle against LSU not being able to get to the quarterback. And a lot of that had to do with Jaden Daniels' elusiveness. And Beck's not that kind of guy.

So that's the matchup is what can Missouri do to not let guys get behind them, keep everything in front. You got to tackle. I mean, you saw Aladdin Mekonki with the catching run last week. The thing about Georgia, they put so much pressure on you with the horizontal running game and then the guy's ability to get vertical. They create so much space with that. system you've got to be able to tackle uh i i believe missouri has the goods to hang around for the

game so i like missouri plus the points missouri was up 39 35 on ls u with five minutes to go they could be eight and no right now eli i i don't watch him enough to play this game you know if you if you'd have told me it was still 18 and a half or something i'd tell you but 15 and a half i don't know Washington USC will pack 12 special here uh uh USC's catching three and a half half at home. The total 76 and a half. What's wrong with USC? And is this a by-low spot?

For one game, I believe so. Because when you look at Washington, I'm not sure if McMillan's going to be back. And that's what it comes down to for me is Washington, seeing what they looked like at full strength and

walking out of that game against Oregon, I wasn't sure if they were to a better team. They won the game. You know, Lanting has talked about his decisions that he made in that game that proved to be costly. Well, I said before, look at what they've done since. And look at Washington. Washington was a perfect hangover spot after that win. And they, you know, get a pick six to beat Arizona State.

And they go to Stanford and just absolutely go nuts in a shootout scoring 40 plus. The defense wasn't there. And Stanford's the team that doesn't have much on offense at all. And their quarterback throws for 400 yards. and they drop a fourth down pass where they're going in for a score to take the lead. Giles Jackson is a receiver for Washington, too. He looks like he's going to be doubtful. So I look at SC.

I went against them last week with Cal just because I like the spot, knowing what they look like the two previous weeks and getting their doors blown in by Utah in that run game. But both teams are going to be able to do whatever they want offensively in this game when you look at it. You got Penix. You got Caleb. I get Pennix as the frontrunner.

I don't think he's going to win the Heisman. But if there's ever a time where USC could pull this off, it's this in an instance where it's just going to be offense on offense. USC did a great job of creating turnovers. They were down 14 in the second half twice last week against Cal and came back in one. The over under is 76. It's wild. And I got to ask you, not that I love betting over.

and unders at 76 and a half, but there is one number I'm looking at this weekend that I really like, and it's crazy that it's the same sport. Iowa, 29 and a half at Wrigley Field. I want to bet the under so bad, Steve. What do I do? Should I wait for it to get bet up?

Should I just? Yeah, because I don't think it's going to go lower. You don't think it's going to go lower? Yeah, you think it's going to go higher. I see it at 31 right now. Good, good, good, good. God. I like that under.

Smash it at 31, right? I remember being at a game. Illinois played Northwestern at Wrigley, and you can only go one way because the end zone, there's not enough room in one of the end zones. That tells me the field is shorter. Yep.

So maybe that affects the over under. Yeah. If you love the under, go with the under. Right? I don't see how you can. How is it the same sport? I mean, you could almost put that total in twice.

The delta between, USC and Washington's total and that total where it opened up. I mean, it's insane. So, yeah. Is there any way that game's on at the same time? They are not. Put them on two screens and just, I mean, it's a big world out there. Yeah, put them on two screens, figure out all your technical stuff and making,

it'll send you a T-shirt. Okay, cool. All right, Kansas State, Texas, 25 against seven in the rankings. And then Texas is laying four points at home, 51, half the total. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Seven versus 25. Seven's only a four-point favorite at home. I get it. Malik Murphy's going to quarterback again for Texas, who's a kid we talked about.

I love, I think he's only going to get better with reps. The problem is with Kansas State, it's a great coaching staff with climbing. They stumbled early, and now you look at what they've done in the last three games. They score 38, then they score 41. They shut out Houston and Coach Holgerson, 41 nothing last week. And what they're doing is getting back to that balance on offense. When you look at they played two quarterbacks with Will Howard, Avery Johnson's, you know, a guy that came in the week before and led them to a win.

But Howard goes 15 to 17. Avery Johnson goes 5 of 6. They rush for 179. They throw for 215 against a bad Houston team. and the thing with Kansas State is that style, that balance and the way they play travels. You know, it's not dependent on, you know, if it's bad weather, all they're not going to be able to throw the ball. It's a very balance.

But I look at what the defense has done, you know, in that, you know, giving up zero, giving up three, and only giving up 21 to Texas Tech their last three games out. So I think it's a dangerous spot for Texas. The question is what the Texas defense will. do in this matchup against that balance. When you look at Texas' defense, you know, they only allow 97 rush yards a game. So that's, you know, we've talked about that Texas D-Line all season, and that's what it comes down to.

I think it's a low-scoring game. I think Kansas State will try and keep that offense, Texas and Malik Murphy off the field, and they do a good job of keeping stuff in front of you, too. They don't allow big plays or guys to get behind you. but I've been awful with totals in college football this year, and I would lean towards the under, so take the over. All right.

And then lastly, Oklahoma at Oklahoma State and Stillwater, catching six points at home are the pokes. They call them the pokes, right? All cowboys, any cowboys that just call them the pokes. 61 and a half is the total. And I watched a little Oklahoma State last week because I was, I needed Cincinnati to close out a big parlay. That would have been nice.

45-13. They are as advertised, not good, Cincinnati, and they hung around a while, but what do you make of this game? Well, it's the last time. I think it's 117 years they've played. You know, Gundy's talked about not wanting anything to do with them going forward with them going to the SEC,

and that conversation's kind of been put on hold. But you can't talk about Oklahoma State without bringing up Ollie Gordon second. I mean, this kid is put in a sentence now with Barry Sanders. with two games over 250 yards. He's going to 25 for 271 against Cincinnati last week, 29 for 282 against West Virginia the week before six touchdowns combined. He's got the goods.

You know, they've done a great job with that split zone, with that GT scheme. They do a lot of misdirection with the run game. And it's just a credit to Gundy. Like, you know, I don't know if any team got violated out of the portal more than they did. And to be able to come back and look awful. at the beginning of the year. And now to put together all these wins, four straight,

they beat Kansas, they beat Kansas State, they beat West Virginia in Morgantown. They come home, they play Cincinnati, and now they get their rival at home coming off their loss. And Oklahoma sounds like they're pretty banged up. It feels like everybody's just going to expect Oklahoma to bounce back here. I would be wary of that. I think Oklahoma State could keep this close with that run game,

and I think it's a field goal game. The question is, Dylan Gabriel, we saw how good he was with that run against Texas, but it's because Texas was in a lot of man coverage, and he just saw those guys chasing, and he just dropped back, and he was gone. Almost, it looked like a quarterback draw, but it wasn't. It was just him being smart with the football. So I'd be wary here of laying the points, knowing what's at stake and what Oklahoma and how they're going to react

off their first loss of the season. So it's a great matchup. That place will be nuts. I still can't believe how there's no room on the sidelines where they have those walls. Dude, it's insane. It's nuts. It's like I go a couple years without like really sinking into an Oklahoma State game. And then I watch a game in Stillwater.

And it's like Arena League football. Yeah. It's insane. It is. What were they doing when they designed that stadium? Oil. Oil. More space for oil.

That sideline more oil. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, speaking of scheduling, the ACC release the schedules for the year. Crazy. I can't even read it. I can't read it. The headline is the Stanford Cardinal will be in Charlottesville in the fall of 2020.

Can't wait. Can't wait, Steve. That might actually first non-Duke thing to get them down to. Yeah, good as time as any to get game day here. And by the way, Steve, you in Washington been playing since 1893. The series is 45-44 Washington. You guys have a chance late last week to tie that. thing up and you can't do it. I just,

something worth mentioning. And Washington, I believe it lost their six straight in Palo Alto. Crazy. That got him off the snob. Hey, can we talk about something? Because we just talked about Mike Gundy before we get to pack 12 locks and the upset specials and all that thing. When I was younger and Mike Gundy ranted about being a man and being 40, that was kind of like my, I don't know if you guys ever have

this where you're like, that's what I'm going to be like when I'm that age. Like, you know, it's, it's, okay, that's my. my marker for 40 is Mike Gundy in that press conference. Now my marker for 53 is Dabo Sweeney. After that last, that outburst on me and Macon last night, almost simultaneously sent each other this clip. Now, what's the guy's name, Tyler from Spartanburg? Oh, you got it.

Tyler from Spartanburg. I don't know what he said, but he touched a hotspot for Dabo. and Davo went for about five minutes. And, you know, the Jay-Z Giff where he's like, I'm not sure if I like this, but I'm bobbing my head. That was me. And I am admittedly a dabbo hater.

There's so much about dabbo that I don't like, and maybe it's just the Clemson thing, but I think it's also like. God's name, image, and likeness. I mean, the NIL stuff rubbed me wrong. I thought when players wanted to demonstrate a couple years ago when everything was going on, he kind of talked him down,

shutting him down. There's things about Davo that I haven't liked, and he's not the only college football coach. But coming out of this rant, this is the most I've ever liked him. I was on the porch last night listening to this rant, and I was like, do I like dabbo? Because when he lays it all out there,

you can hear that and understand why, when he goes into somebody's living room, he's going to get that guy. Yep. Because he can just go. And he is convicted in what he believes, and he's convicted in his belief that they've earned everything at Clemson.

And, you know, I kind of thought coming out of this thing that, hey, Dabo's not so bad. Now, he's still Dabo. But for five minutes, he wasn't so bad. Tennessee caught astray in that rant. Yeah. Like Clemson hadn't sniffed national title in 35 years. Hell, we beat Tennessee by however many points last year. It was their first 11-win season, damn near 20 years.

Yeah, and Coach K caught a stray too because he's like, does Coach K have bad seasons? Well, he doesn't because Coach K. he says his back hurts when they have bad seasons. You're right. And he puts him on. Does Irvin Meyer have bad seasons? No, he's got an irregular heartbeat

or he coaches in the NFL. But I thought this dabbo rant was great. We both thought it was great. The way he said the word Alabama makes me know even more that he wants that job when Nick's done. Like only two other have two national titles. Georgia and Alabama.

That's right. That's right. I thought it was pretty interesting, man. he took that guy to town. He just for five minutes. Tyler. Just laid into Tyler. You just touched my foot.

I know. I know. I know. I know. Straight show. Yeah. So, I don't know. I just wanted to mention that.

It's the first time I've ever liked Davo. I thought the rant was great. All right. Yeah. I just, it's really interesting to see how this is going to play out because you go back to the Miami loss in the post game press conference. And they asked him what happened in the last play.

And he just throws his quarterback underneath the bus. Say it was a give. And he's trying to do his own thing. How is Shanahan. did that with Brock Purdy this weekend. And Steve Wilkes the weekend before. It'll be, now you got Notre Dame coming in for a noon game.

Clemson has a lot of school pride. And interested to see what that building is going to be at noon on Saturday. It's November. As Clemson's an underdog. But when they play this week, it's November and they're 500. I mean, it's just incredible. It's incredible, which also reinforces.

And I love the rant and everything. And he has worked for it when you, when you look at his career and everything he's done and his life story is captivating. But you need those players. And that to me is like that lesson every coach. I mean like Bill Belichick right now is struggling. And Tom Brady left, he's struggling. You know, Nick Saban struggling, relatively speaking right now.

There's a lot of coaches that learn this lesson in different ways on different scales. and you know while I applaud that that that rant you're nobody without the players which again reinforces the fact that maybe you should pay these guys and maybe you shouldn't complain when they start driving around cars as nice as you

that's just the way of the world now anyways that's enough on Davo best pack 12 lock what do you got well we touched on SC in Washington as the game of the week I think a real interesting game

UCLA at Arizona who's found a resurgence with Fafita at quarterback. Cal's going to Oregon. Oregon State's going to Colorado to give double digits there. I

tough slate in a pack 12. Let's get back on the bus, Steve. Plus 13 and a half after a buy ish? I don't know, man. How long ago does that feel. Remember the Colorado thing? We were there. I remember. Yeah. But a lot has happened since.

That's for sure. We're going to take SC. Okay. All right. S.C. Okay. Okay. Upset special. Who's our favored. Saw that. Georgia Tech. Where's your tech? By low. I don't know. Tony Elliott got shouted out in the dabo rant. I know. Right. Who's our headed to to Clemson next year. I know. Yeah. It's all coming together. Iowa State's favorite against Kansas.

That's interesting. Yeah, that's stinky. Very stinky. I mean, Kansas, they really, they're still carrying that gold post into that pond, dude. They really cared a lot about that. Like the Broncos.

How about B.C. going to Syracuse and winning? Okay, how about it? Upset Special, BC at Syracuse. STL Memorial Lock. This is a non-power-5 lock for all you absolute sickos out there. I had rice last week. It was one of the lone bright spots for me. Rice catching a bunch of points.

They covered backdoor against Tulane. What do you got? Army's officially on the cross-off list after their performance the last two weeks. Can't cross off the troops. I'm just, they're on the list. With the Packers. Steve, Northern is. Illinois has won three in a row.

They have. Hashtag Max. Halloween topic, Saluki is a terrifying dog. Ooh. Probably the most terrifying looking dog there is. Let's go Marshall, plus three and a half at App State. Okay.

I profited off Marshall last week, coastal, got it done, covered easily. Okay? How about Timmy Chang, which to remind people is an award about a college football player.

No. Non-power-five. Non-power-five. Okay. I know we got to get that fine print in there. Wide receiver. And this week's Timmy Chang Award winner. Jimmy Kibble. What?

K-I-B-B-L-E. My dad was on his show. Caches, 201 yards, two touchdowns. Yeah, Georgetown. The Hoyas. Jimmy Kibble. Jimmy Kibble and the Hoyas. And how about the Cochlin Award,

which goes to another college football player. Watch out. Watch out this week. This week's Caucus Award, Haynes King, former Texas A&M quarterback, now the Georgia Tech quarterback. I feel great for him, left for dead in College Station, beats North Carolina, 23 of 30 for 287, four tuds, and eight carries for 90 yards.

That's an 11-yard average on the ground. Gabe passes to nine different guys. Haynes King. Does the Vegas draft pick get the Isaiah, Simmons Award because you saw him on the field and he was just like he man. Yeah. His arms are long. Yeah.

Long. Yeah. And then him wearing that single digit nine, it's like, wow. Yeah, dude's huge. Okay. Isaiah Simmons Award goes to, fuck, I already forgot his name. Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech. All right.

It's that time of the week where you light money on fire by listening to us. Now, Macon's going to say, well, not me. Because he had a good week, and he's the leader of the clubhouse now. Three and no? No, he's 12 and 12 on the year. Two and one. I'm 11, 12, and one. Steve's 11 and 13.

Now, there was a time. I said this on the Monday show. After I lost all this money this past weekend, I walked out the door on Monday morning after betting the Bears enormous, and walked by my four-month-old baby. And I decided I know about as much about the NFL as that four-month-old baby. Now, two weeks ago, I felt like I was fucking Greg Cocell. All right.

I was six, 11 and 6, and I was rolling. And then we moved the picks to Wednesday, and we're all struggling a little bit. So not me. Not you, not making. So we're all, Royal we are struggling on Wednesdays. I don't know who to pick. We can give the Thursday night game, right? Huh?

We could do Thursday night? I was told we couldn't do Thursday night. Now we can do Thursday night. You guys are unfucking sufferable, insufferable. Man, these guys are these. You're the ones with the rules. Two weeks ago, I was trying to pick the first. To be fair, the show release moved from Friday to Wednesday.

Fuck you guys. There's a material change. I need a week warning if you're going to change the rules. I think that's fair. We're not doing all this. We're all the sudden, it's like, yeah, whatever Chris wants, we just all conspire to, because he's the boss.

Not to guess. We want what Chris wants. Steve, you're up first. So no Thursday night. No Thursday night. Not without a week's written notice. Okay. I think that's fair.

That's fair as far. I'm putting it the weeks. it notice right now. Okay, put it in now. Next Thursday. What were you going to play on Thursday night? Steelers. I agree.

Steelers in the under. I already put it in at 37. It's at 35 and a half. Don't bite the cheese on the Houston Texans looking like, or not the Houston Texans, I'm confused, the uniforms and shit. Don't bite the cheese on Will Levis looking like Patrick Mahomes out there. Okay? I'm not saying he's not going to be all right, but this is a week to buy the total low

and by the Steelers. I agree with you, Steve. Okay. I am going to the best game of the day in Germany. Give me the dolphins plus the points. I love this matchup for the Dolphins' defensive line. I love that group, and I think that's the difference in this game.

Mahomes, not 100%. Now he's got to fly across the globe to play, and I like the dolphins here. Across the globe. Am I up? are. I'm not used to those. All right. Fuck. Well, it's here.

Do you know who to pick? It's here. Can I see the lines real quick? Can you throw these lines up? Those glasses, huh? That's what it is. Okay, yeah, zoom in. Yeah, by the way, I'm coked up Elvis. Did you realize that? I thought you were to honky talk, man. Oh, shit, hold on a second.

Yeah. Honky talk, man. He's putting chalk all over his face. Well, you know, at the end, How do you explain that to the kids? Oh, you say, hey, drugs are bad, okay? What dad's doing on the back porch, it's not a big deal. But what Elvis was doing at the end of his life, it was a big deal. That's why he died on the toilet, son.

You'll never see me dying on the toilet unless it's cardiac arrest or something. I'm not a drug guy. Elvis was a drug guy. It's pretty easy to explain this to the kids. Okay. My vice is gambling. Maybe you should take my side sometimes, Whalen. Okay.

Okay. Go to your room. Okay. A little left-handed cigarette every once in a while. It's not going to hurt anybody. Fuck. Elvis. All right.

Make a pick. I'm going to make a pick. I'm going to make a pick here. I'm going to make a pick here. And my pick is going to be... God, this is icky. Anybody going to go back to the Packers? No.

I'm going to take the New Orleans Saints. minus seven. A lot of money on the bears. I'm nervous about it. But here's my thinking. Okay, and this is where I get into trouble when I think. But New Orleans defense is better than the Chargers defense. Yeah?

Yep. Okay. Tougher environment? Yep. Yep. Okay. Derek Carr, not real good with people falling all around him. Now Montez sweat factors in, right?

Because all of a sudden he's a Chicago bear. but I think the pocket's going to be pretty clean and the last six quarters they have been rolling a little bit offensively. Now I know I said I'm off the Saints but remember what I thought about Baygent the first week. You know, I was like man, he stares things down. He's a young quarterback.

I think maybe we see that this week. And, you know, my biggest worry is probably low total, big spread, but I'll take the Saints. I already threw him in a teaser. are with the, I can't tell you yet. Okay. Come on first place. I am going to go to Germany with Steve.

Fuck, you're going to do it. And I'm going to take the under. Fuck you, I should have took it. On 51, being the total of Munich Dolphins and Chiefs under 51. Now I can't bet it, because then I got a route for you. Steve just... You know what he did last week? Can I tell you?

I know, I'm interrupting. but can I tell you? Yeah. Please. I came in the day after I gave out the fucking the Colts or the, not the Colts, the Frank, I gave out the Texans and they're playing the Panthers. And I said, Macon, I'm really worried about it. We've got Frank Reich four and O off by an indie.

This one stinks. Don't bet it. I'm betting the other way. So Sunday, the locks come out. We post the social. Under the social, Macon's got this, this, this, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, my friend. And I hope these folks will attest.

I was the first one in this room to say, hey, it's the Panthers. And then you said, save it, I got a stat. I know, but you put it under the thing like I'm on the Texans. It's been four days since I said I'm on the Panthers. Oh, you take everything so personally. Yeah. That wasn't a personal thing? Yeah, I don't know.

It felt like it felt a little personal. I didn't mean it that way. Okay, well, I got to say, you're probably right about this one, the under in Munich. I love this play, Macon. Nicely done. That's Frankfurt. Thank you. Or wherever the fuck it is.

Whatever the fuck? It doesn't fucking matter. Geography nerd. Yeah. Across the globe, around the globe. He's going halfway around the world. I'm flying a four cities a wink. I know every city.

Okay. All right. Next. Steve, you're a nerd. I'm up. I called you a nerd. I called him a nerd first. I know, but it sounded different.

It did. Eagles, minus three at home against the Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah. That's right, pick. Love it. Yep. I'll be betting the house on the Eagles.

Chasing. I'll be chasing Eagles money line. Chase long. Okay. Here's another icky one. The icky ones are the way to go. I'm going to go Giants catching three points. I'm going to buy the half point.

Giants catching three points in Vegas. I don't know if Danny Dime's going to be up. I don't know if Tyrax. Oh, Danny DeVito. Who's going to be up? Tommy DeVito. It doesn't matter. Danny DeVito?

We don't know. Tell me the truth before I make this. It could be Dimes. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know on DJ. What's going on with Tyrod Taylor? Is he dead?

Danny Dimes said he will play week nine against the radio. I love it. Give me the Giants. Catching three points. That's a good pick. Buy it to three if I have to. Is it two and a half? A nerd.

Oh, is it two? That's a fucking bad. Careful. I could get you two and a. half some places. Yeah, I can get two and a half all types of places, huh? I can find a two and a half. Yeah, I'm buying a three.

For the host. There we go. For the host. Help them out. I don't get any grubhub money back from any of you guys. The least you can do is give me a fucking... Grubhub well's dried up. I haven't seen food in here in months.

I'm going to go to prime time. And I'm going to take and buy a half point with the New York Jets. It's at three. I'll go to three and a half. pick. Jets hosting the trade pick. It's on the list. God damn it. All righty. I am going to go to Foxborough and give me the under in commanders patriots. By the way, and we're going to talk about more locks after this, but I kind of like the pads in this spot. Yeah. I do. I mean like, convince me otherwise. I throw the, I just throw all the, the against the spread stuff out with

Bill the first half of the season, throw all the, you know, whatever metrics you want to, they're playing better ball right now. Washington's losing a lot and just traded Monta's sweat. I know, yeah. And I know it's about the contract and we talked about a lot of bad tape on that O line. There's a lot of bad tape on the line. All right. You're not going to be able to get the ball out. We talked about Sam Halth, 247 or whatever this week. He got the ball out quick. The quick game was there. Like New England can challenge these guys. Does Bill watch the iPad on a treadmill? He kind of does, dude. I used to be in the weight room and he'd be in there just walking and, you know, he'd can't just walk he's got to be doing film too yeah so we'll talk about maybe some more of these

games a little bit you know you can take the pads i here's what i'm deciding i got a total here that i like okay and i think it's going to be under in baltimore um it's sitting at 43 and i like it there i just feel like when you look at the uh the ravens there are okay ravens eight a last 12 Seattle games went under 12 of the last 18 Ravens games eight of last 10 Baltimore at home 5 and 0 as uh 5 and 0 in the last 5 uh as home favorites to the under so like in the 3 5 to 10 range so like there's a ton of metrics here that say to take the under here if I don't hit the under it's because of all these metrics oh why are we so worried about the Seahawks all of a sudden don't we think they're excellent I do think they're good 1 o'clock

on the East Coast? What is it? I don't know if that really proves out if you look at the Seahawks and things... Should have lost to PJ Walker. Is that it? No, it's just the total. It's just, I just feel like this game, when you look at these numbers... Just the five and a half seems like a high number. I know you're on the total. Yeah, no, I'm not.

And I would bet the Ravens if I had to bet somebody. I just, I just feel really good about the Ravens. Okay. Okay. It's not a divisional game. It's not a, you know, this is the type of game where they, Detroit, out of conference, comes in town, out of division, comes in town.

They whoop them. I just feel like this is a good spot for the Ravens. All right, I've got a terrible one for you to round out the slate here. Minnesota Vikings and their quarterback plus five in Atlanta. Jeez, you're doing it. Be it, Jaron Hall. What, does something happen? I also think they're trading for a quarterback today.

You are right, sir. Okay. So that's why. Oh, no. Josh Dobbs. It's Josh Dobbs. Oh. So I'm going to let that line come back down and I'm going to take the Falcons on the other side of it in real life.

Is the pick in? I liked it better when it was Jaron Hall. Did you? I said it, but I didn't have that information. Really? I said the Vikings. Okay. Can I take it back?

I'm sure you can. I can take it back, yeah? It's fine if you want to. Yeah. Okay. All right. Josh Dobbs. So I'd like to take some of mine back.

All of them. Hmm. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Okay. Joe Public Square.

Fingles are playing well. Two and a half at home. Is Joe Public on, let's talk about that one. The lockser and Steve's got the dolphins catching points, the Eagles laying points. The under in New England. I got the Saints.

Too many points. Giants catching three with Danny Dimes, buying the half point there, under 43 Seahawks Ravens, making under 51 Dolphins chiefs, Jets, buying the half point to four, love those, and then the Bengals minus two and a half.

This is where I might be on the other side. Okay. Because Joe Public, I haven't looked yet, but the public, I would assume, would be on the Bengals. I think so.

Yeah, so you are Joe Public. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I see what you're saying. I like the bills there. I really do, especially if this is at three, and I like the over. Okay, like, I think this is a game where, and you look at the bills 10 days ago.

They ran a lot of no-huddle. They up the tempo. They adjusted to having one tight end up in the game. I think if they can go light and keep those guys out of that bare front, right? Like, that bare front for San Francisco was really good last week. for Cincinnati in San Francisco. I think if Buffalo can dictate the terms of this game,

the scoring will be up. And I kind of tend to like Buffalo. What do you think on that one, Steve? Really interested to see what happens with the way Cincinnati. I don't know if Cincinnati could play better than they did last week. Exactly. That was really, really impressive. And when I look at the bills, like just look at,

Stefan Dix has 90 targets in eight games. 90. Yeah. And when I look at the bills, I still wonder about what they do well offensively. Like, I think that's a problem. You know, if Godwin turns around a half a second earlier, they lose that game Thursday night. Yeah. I still can't get over seeing a hell Mary hit the ground.

But the back door cover, the drive was like, oh, God. Two fourth down penalties. It was so, that was an all-timer. It was so fucking gross. And then Evans-Cubber, catches that ball off the helmet. Dude, so that's what I'm saying. They're not even in range to cover, you know, or win if things kind of go, like three plays,

two on fourth down, and then I think there was another one on that drive that extended that drive. I just really interested in Buffalo's plan and how they go about attacking Cincinnati's defense. That's, I mean, you know about the defense events. I think they're secondary super underrated. So what are they going to come out and try and establish? That's what I wonder. If they come out and have a plan, like that over is easy, I think. But if they come out and dilly dally and, you know,

fall starts on the road and that whole thing and Josh tries doing too much with, you know, being behind the sticks, they're in trouble. Again, because I think that consistency is just bad. Now, Gabe Davis had a great game against Tampa. Does he ever put them all together? That's what I worry about Buffalo. I'm not sold. I do agree with Macon with Cincinnati.

out of you there. So, um, I got to get back to what I do. Tees guys got to get back to what he does. I'm putting in a teaser as we speak. Cleveland Browns minus one, Buffalo Bills plus 10. Um, and I'll hedge that with the, the over. It's not really a true hedge, but I feel like it's a hedge in my mind. Tease the over. Tease the, hey, you don't tease total, Steve. Why not? You just stick to the long method. Okay. You know. Got it. Um, some other ones I had on my list here. That's a good. good one, Chris. What? Do you like that teaser?

It sounds easy, but that's why they call them teasers. Okay, so we've got, we've got, we've got, that teaser, I also threw the Saints and the teaser with the,

with the, the Browns as well. So there's a lot writing on the Browns. Josh Dobbs is out of the picture. Do you think Kyler Murray plays? Because that's what Gannon said, it's either going to be

Kyler Murray or the rookie. I don't think you want to roll Kyle or Murray out there for any reason. against Cleveland. They said tune. Yeah, so it's tune. Yeah, it's got it. And I thought that's a 21-day deal that Murray has to practice for. I don't know, Nolan, what do you got? It is a 21-day window, but he can come off earlier. He could come off early? Whenever that does. Yeah, and I think maybe that's a little game plan wrinkle, but do they really want to even win this game? I mean, at this point.

And another thing I want to bring up, if you're looking to bet Cleveland, and that line's now up to the cards of is it possible that we overvalue the cards like it's it's crazy to me because all we talk about on this show is how good of a job jonathan gannon's done and that sort of thing they're like one in seven okay they start the season

three and oh against the spread then they're oh and four against the spread depending on what you got the um the uh the uh Seattle game at if you got it at nine you know Seattle if you got it at 10 it was a it was a it was a push uh but then last week the only way they get that cover is that freak onside kick um and so like they have been

failing to cover the spread for much of the season i think knee jerk is like cardinals play everybody close if they're starting this rookie i i like cleveland here um and i like the under you talk about the under in frankfort uh i like baltimore the panthers catching three points i also would look at the over in that game and he can't stop anything that's pretty much all of it. I mean, like New England. I like New England. Anything else you like that's fringy here looking at it.

I mean, Rams Packers is achy. I know a guy named Rams Packer. Do you really? Yeah. Great writer, Andrew Rams Packer. That's interesting. Yeah. Eagles is the right play, Steve.

Eagles is the right play. Justin Fields deemed week to week. You worry all about that Saints figure if one trots out there? I'm not. I don't think, I don't think Justin, fields um i think the rule is if you're coming back next week you can't wear a sunglasses on the sideline yeah there you know that that seems like three weeks mimicking uh calling the play on the sideline yeah i don't know man that that everything scares me right now it's fucking Halloween

i took a bath last week so under a field goal minus two and a half uh what's Kansas what's the two and a half i think or two two two i'll take that to three let's just it's a half it's a two So, yeah. Oh, it's at two. Okay, never mind. Yeah. Eagles. Here's the last game I want to ask you guys about before we wrap up.

Houston and Tampa Bay. This is one that I can't figure out. The line, you know, the line's two and a half. Texans lay in two and a half at home. 40 is the total. It opened up at like 38. I thought initially you want to bet the under, but I don't know. I can't figure this one out.

If the bucks win, it's under, if the Texans win, it's over. That's interesting. That's really interesting. And who do you think wins this game? He leans Texans, but he stays away. I lean Texas and stay away, I think. Yeah, I think so. The front's really good in Tampa.

On both sides of the ball, the fronts are really good. I think that the Texans have enough up front, but they can't really run the ball. You know, it kind of comes down to protecting C.J. Shroud. bucks have lost four or five that's that all right well let's let's look and see if shepter's tweeted anything and then get on our merry way is any trades happened uh as of one o'clock or two o'clock here Josh Dobbs was the last one okay out of Arizona to Minnesota splash I don't even know what they're doing in Minnesota she's got been Kyler okay they must not

feel good about Jaron Hall no not at all but like he got he took a couple shots late too Yeah. Three for four. He's like 37 years old. Hopefully those shots follow him team to team from last week, and he's feeling sore this week. All right. Guys,

happy Halloween. Enjoy the festivities, and hopefully we made you money today. A couple things. Shout out to the branch. And Virginia tight end, Sackett Wood will not play this week. Oh,

sack it would. Okay. That's a Virginia name. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Backett would. I've never met anybody named Sagitt.

Lived here almost my whole life. Big day for Grant Mish. Okay. Take care, Steve. Love you guys. Love you. Happy Halloween. All right.

Even though it's over.