Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Training Camp News: Tyreek & Tua, Joe Burrow In Cincy & How To Win An NFL Contract Dispute

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

We have football, IT'S CAMP SZN! Training camps have begun across the country and there is finally some current football news. We begin with Chris, Macon and Nate diving into Tua Tagovailoa's comments on Tyreek Hill from Dolphins training camp and how Tyreek is maturing after the end of the 2024 season. We cover the Bengals contract situations, Joe Burrow's disappointment with all not all players being at camp and Zac Taylor's announcement that Burrow will likely play more preseason games than in previous seasons. We also cover Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones' saga as their battle in the media continues on. We then have a little fun reminiscing about the viral training camp stories from years past, we talk jersey updates and play a little NFL Immaculate Grid! (00:00:00) Intro (00:04:56) NFL Training Camp Szn: Tua & Tyreek, Joe Burrow & The Dallas Cowboys (00:37:50) Training Camp Viral Moments (01:00:00) NFL Jersey Updates (01:12:35) NFL Immaculate Grid Bryan Braman's GoFundeMe can be found here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-bryan-bramans-healing-journey Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tua seems to have grown a great deal in a calendar year. This is a sticky situation. You want to know why I like this? Because we're one marketing deal away from a team having a pokey ball on their helmet. And it's going to be electric. They're like an ADHD team. You know what one of the symptoms of ADHD is? Waiting until the last minute, you don't produce enough dopamine.

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Welcome to the Green Light Podcast. Thank you for tuning in today. Chris, make an innate rip it from Studio J. We have a blast and a half. We talk all NFL training camp news. We cover the Miami Dolphins, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Dallas Cowboys. We also remind us on some training camp viral moments from years past. Talk NFL Jersey updates.

What do we like? What do we don't like? And play a little immaculate grid. We have a blast and a half. Enjoy the episode. And we'll catch you next week. Guys, can I tell you a story off the top? Go ahead.

Okay, so this is more Lloyd Howell stuff. I'm just going to hit you with one thing. It's from the Don Vanada Jr. article. This is my headline of the week that I'm not quite sure if it's like AI or something. But I'm going to go ahead and read it. Howell ordered the union facilities department to merge two spaces in the parking garage to avoid door dings on his Porsche Cayenne Turbo. He asked workers to change the number of. of two spaces 10 and 11 to 32 as an homage to the jersey number worn by acclaimed murderer O.J. Simpson.

This is fucking nuts, dude. This guy is like a sociopath, bro. Was there another parking space 32? Because if not, that's just smart. Well, he didn't, he didn't want to take 32. I assume 32 was too far from the building. Someone should do like a like a two-by type Spinoff movie about this stuff I fuck dude doing Netflix type And I'm still upset that I did not get invited To any strip club events

I only get invited to Top Golf And all this other stuff that doesn't really seem interesting And a trip to Tutsis I think What it may be had me at some of those events. Nate, you like a naked woman, that's what you're saying? I like Tutsis.

They have really good wings. Good food. Got it. Good food. As does Magic City, the one thing I wanted to say, though, about the strip club visits, my favorite, and I talked about this the other day

without y'all, but the fact that he was withdrawing like $500, $300, $200, $200, $200, $100, $400. Like, they just kept walking my man to the ATM. They were leading him to the ATM. Like, come on. Come on, honey.

The card was withdrawing it. We don't know if it was Lloyd. Lloyd could have been passing off the card. You're right. Very true. Somebody else. But we're going to let Lloyd go down with the ship on this one. Only seems natural.

See, Lloyd. All right. So, happy trails, Lloyd Howell. Where are we going today, guys? I'm at home because I'm a little bit under the weather. What's you got? I don't really know, dude. I went camping last night with the kids and the camper.

And I kept all the windows open. And what I realized in the morning is down in the field where we were doing the camping, we had just put down a bunch of fresh mulch. And I'm kind of wondering if the allergens from the mulch have elicited an immune response. Does that make any sense to anybody? Yeah, a little bit. It's allergy season. Is it?

Yeah. Okay. it's camp season so where we're going is to to some podium content here little NFL news round up to kick things off um if you guys are cool that we'll start in Miami uh to me greater Miami area that's right um so too was speaking about how Tyreek is working to rebuild relationships with his teammates after the way he ended last season with the infamous I'm out quote Curious what you guys made of what you heard from Tua there on Wednesday. Okay, my first reaction, Nolan, was kind of counter to your reaction, like,

and I think your reaction is the right one, which is that Tua seems to have grown a great deal in a calendar year. This is a sticky situation. You know, this is a player who's better than him, right? And I'm not saying that take a shot. I'm just saying, like, in the NFL, it can be hard if you're trying to lead a group full of guys who maybe have more accomplishments. He'd be the one on that team, right? that it would be awkward to talk up to. He's older.

He's had a more, you know, celebrated career. But what he did at the end of last season was bullshit. And I told people, I was on the Rich Eisen Show, and Rich was like, Chris, aren't you going to get mad? I'm like, no, I'm not going to waste my breath and get mad at Tyree, because next camp, we're going to be acting like it never happened. You know, us as the media and fans who were all outraged that this guy quit on his team last year. By the way, do you remember when Devandre Campbell quit on his team last year?

you're not going to hear from him anymore. You know why? Because he didn't run a 10-1-100-meter dash this off-season. He's not a thousand-yard receiver. People will get over stuff like this in the NFL. My first reaction was, hey, listen, if a husband gets in a lot of trouble and you're trying to give him some grace and work it out at home, you don't go to a dinner party and be like,

hey, we're working through some problems right now. That is how it came across initially. But, Nolan, you made the point. that it seems like he's grown a great deal. This is a tough thing to navigate. I like the maturity with which he spoke. If he were going to go this route and kind of open the can of worms a little bit and talk about it outwardly, I thought he did a great job of it. Yeah, totally.

And I thought, like, just compared to, like, we all remember how he started camp last year with the show me the money thing. And just that, you know, maybe not being the most exemplary leadership display he could have put on. So that's what jumped out to me the most of just like seeing him. And like this team absolutely has its back against the wall going into the season. Is it? So to hear him kind of kind of taking the ball by the horns and kind of trying to set the standard from the jump, I just thought it was impressive. No, I was impressed with that. The one thing I wasn't as impressed with was his reading list.

He had a little LeBron kind of moment. I don't know if y'all caught that, but he went into the reasoning behind him reading every night. and talking about all the great things that books are doing for him. And some of the things he likes to do with books, highlight them, write notes, you know, pin things to his locker from said books. He does it every night. And they were like, what book you're reading right now? And there was a pause.

And he goes, I don't know what I'm reading. So I actually have a lot of respect for Tua, not trying to lie in that situation. Sometimes you have to take a sack. And to me, that was very mature of him. I wouldn't have got myself into that situation. You got to have a book in your back pocket. Fuck it. Lord of the Flies, dude.

Pull something up from... What if it's something like he's reading the book of Mormon? And he's about to like transition to be a Mormon. And he just didn't want to put that information out there yet. So he thought about saying it. And then he was like, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't say this. Or something else.

Maybe there's a book. He's a Freemason. Yeah, maybe there's a book or something he's reading and he's learning up on right now and he doesn't want to tell people. I just would have said like goosebumps. You gotta have a fall book. You gotta have something there. If you're gonna go on a diatribe about how important reading is,

you have to have a book that you have read or are. What's your fall book, Chris? There's a book right now that I'm reading. It's been in my car for fucking six weeks. Oh, homo sapiens, sapiens, sapiens, by Noah You've all Harari. Nice. Yeah, I like that book.

But I've been reading it for five, seven years. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I feel like AJ Brown gave everybody the, like the easiest fall book. I mean, Inter-Excellance. Like just. Yes. Inter-excellency.

You know, every athlete, this is my book. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, here's the book, Nate, the Lost City of Z. It's a lost city in the Amazon. They read, you know this book? Yeah, well, I've seen the movie. Pretty good books. There's a movie?

Yeah, yeah. Charlie Hunnam. The other thing he said in that, piece was watching podcasts, which I think is, like, when you got, do you guys say listening or watching? I say watching if I'm watching something on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah.

He's watching this podcast. I'm a listener, Noel, 100%. Back to the Tua situation. I feel like if you're growing up, part of growing up, just like you said, Chris is, like, is, it's not announcing it to everyone. Like, hey, this is maybe a locker room thing. Yeah. Maybe this is a locker room thing.

and I just feel like if I was Tariq, maybe if you are feeling like you're coming into this season, oh, I'm on a different foot, I'm going to be a different person, I know I have to show these guys that like I really mean, I'm about the team. By doing that, you don't know if he's going to react the right way or not. Like now the media has kind of that little bit,

that little bit of spark that they need to go for a few weeks of writing stories, creating narratives, And it's just if Tariq is not in the right headspace, it's only a matter of time where you're just like, hey, you know what, Tua, shut the hell up. I'm the best player of this team. You need me. Like, you make sure you focus on getting the ball to me and I'll do what I need to do. Listen, again, I thought probably wouldn't have gone there myself,

but maybe they've already discussed this, how they would handle it in the media. And we don't know what's going on inside the building. But to your point, Nate, initially I was like, ooh, I was like, oh, I wouldn't have, you know, like I said, it's like the, it's like the disgrace husband who's, who's, uh, who's being punished quietly within the confines of his home for a couple years. He's on probation. And then you're at a dinner party being like, well, ever since last year when he followed those bottle chicks, um, you know, like, hey, that was 2024. We're supposed to be moving on. And it's, and it's the clout era. So Tarik has his own podcast. It's only a matter

time he has a guest or someone comes on there and they're just like casually like hey how you feel about toa saying all that stuff and they might they might phrase the question in a way to kind of set them up or whatever and all you need is one wrong comment to get the ball rolling for everyone to start overreacting during preseason which we are doing i mean we've been talking about this two a tyreeks soundbite for five seven minutes well can we talk about the actual soundbite because in terms of talking about all that stuff he ended it with he's working on himself that's the first step to me and so i commend him for doing that yes i mean it's not like cross really mature yeah i yes and and now the the media not us will take it

and run with it yeah we're not going to take and run with it it it's really inconsequential at the end of the day no it's just a quote honestly the coach needs to say that shit that's really who needs to stand up there and say it honestly like it's cool that toa says it and i don't know if everyone's rallying behind Tua down there. But if they are, then maybe it didn't fall on deaf ears. But at the end of the day, you got to go out there and win some games. Who cares? Like, who honestly cares?

If Tariq is open, get him the ball, and that's going to help you guys win. Who cares if he quit last year? The team still has them. The organization still wants them. You have to deal with it. You need to go to work and do your job, and that's what they got to do. Yep. In today's Dan, as you can be very good and get away with a whole lot.

A whole lot. Going north, incensee, Zach Taylor shared that the team plans to play Joe Burr in the preseason, quote, more than we ever have, end quote. So when you hear that from Taylor, you consider the Hendrickson and Stewart holdouts, new defense under Al Golden. How are you guys kind of thinking about the current state of the Bengals, you know, where we stand on July 24th. Well, I think they're the team with the most to gain or lose in training camp.

You know, training camp is really important for every team, and it's becoming more and more condensed in this day and edge. So, you know, coaches have to get a lot out of their team over that couple week period, and, you know, the reps are at a premium. So I like the fact that Joe, because he's healthy, considering the fact that, like, you can go down a list of teams in the NFL that you know stereotypes about the things they don't do well, right? Certain teams suck in prime time.

Certain teams are terrible in the playoffs. Certain teams can't play in the cold. We just talked about one of them. This team can't play in September. They have a hard time. They hit snooze every September. And it's one of the most confounding things in the NFL. Honestly, year after year, the same thing happens.

So this camp is so important to this team, how much can they gain from an operational standpoint offensively, getting on the same page, trying to avoid the problems they've had in protection, with timing out the gate, the lack of physicality across the board. They've got to be more physical. And obviously, the two rushers are mired in contractual disagreements. And you mentioned Al Golden. When there is a new coordinator in town, it's a big deal anyways. Like Tampa, for instance, with a new coordinator is, you know, where they were last year, they were just firing on all cylinders to a assume they're going to be right where they were, that's a big leap of faith.

Like they have to come together and camp and have a great camp and get the install done. They've been doing that all summer. This team did not have it going. They were not firing on any cylinders last year. And now they're down two of their rushers and they got a new defensive coordinator. Al Golden, who I played for in college, I think he's up to the task, but they've got to get a lot out of this. I'm not going to say that they're cooked, but the Bengals are starting this season. I would say either medium or medium well because what I don't understand these owners just getting in

getting in their own way like you have to understand just like you said you have a new decorinator and you don't have one of the best pieces of your defense which realistically you know golden probably you would think that he has packages a bunch of plays a bunch of stuff you know catering to your best rusher and he's not even going to be there so you can't see the chemistry you can't see who he works well with you can't see what linebackers work well with doing maybe stunts or um blitzes and things of that such and it's just like you just went through this last year you just went through this last year and here we go again and then i just i feel like getting in front of the media for these owners and doing this whole word vomit thing or telling your true feelings

Like to everybody about your potential star and your first rounder, it's just, I don't get it. I don't understand. I don't know what when they're doing this, what they think is how it's going to help the situation out in the long run. How old is Mike Brown? Very old. It wouldn't, yeah. Very old. 92.

I mean, for an owner, he appears to be old, you know, within that category of folks. turns 90 in two weeks i'm i'm 40 years old i have a hard time changing whether you like me or not i have a hard time changing these guys look can you imagine doing a media interview in 50 years no exactly do you that's what i'm saying it's like go chill bro like yeah go to go to duck north Carolina making by the way it's great beach it is great yeah like we have all this technology bro go chill like we have all this technology go chill yeah like you can get on you can get on a face time you can get on a video call do whatever but you do not need to be in front of the media in person doing this like you don't you don't yeah but he's not going to change that's the point

i'm making it's like listen you know like you get a little money it's hard to change you get a lot of money. It's even harder to change. And then you're 89 years old. You're not going to change at all. The reputation of the Bengals is well earned, and it's going to persist until he's no longer the driving force. Okay, hold on a minute. It's ridiculous. There's no piece of information that he's not privy to. He's just doing his thing. Did you see McShea flagged Shamar's agent back in the draft process saying that this guy has a reputation for not being easy to deal with? Um, And when you see he has very few clients and other clients who have fired him in the past, it seems like there may be some truth, that rumor.

Good agents tend to de-escalate, bring people together, work toward a common goal, even with the Cincinnati Bengals. And it seems like this cat thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, more of a combative approach, and it's a perfect storm with that kind of agent in this kind of franchise. at a time, to your point, where training camp might be the most important, more important to this franchise than to any other given their track record.

It is. I mean, this is it for them. And this is it for Zach Taylor. And I know it got mixed up, but there's no possibility he can go back to college, right? There would need to be a rule change. Like, there would be some kind of like appeal process or something that he would have to go through to get a rule change.

Once you declare for the draft, if you're not able to play again. He could sit out a year and reenter the draft, which when you, if you're Savar Stewart looking down the line, seeing Tray Henderson, I mean, Henderson, I damn near 40 sacks and he can't get paid there. So, like, if you're smart Stewart, that might not be a bad idea. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. So if he went, if he went somewhere, he sat out for a year, like, he can still earn NIL, can he? If someone wanted to pay him?

Oh, interesting. If he went back to college, yes. Even if he's sitting out, right? Yeah, he's sitting. out he could sit there and do a bunch of car dealership that's what i'm saying you can make a you can make a bunch of money train for another year yeah but how much money you're really making like this isn't a guy who was like you know sack machine in college but he's more but but don't you have don't you have don't you have leverage now that you can say you're a first rounder to get more

i suppose are you going to get trapped in the first round again if he sat out he's not going to be a first rounder next year and and and it's not just because of what he's doing what he's doing definitely factors into that we see how these guys move they're going to be like well fuck this guy yeah but like on top of it you know you're also entering a totally different draft class three of their first four on the road in september the defenses they'll play Cleveland Minnesota and cowboy reeds Denver broncos so that offense got to the gracious if they're one and three that could be curtain for coach Taylor.

No doubt. Should be. And nothing against the guy. I've never had like it out for Zach Taylor. I mean, he seems like a good guy and everything. I just, the results, when you have one of the best couple quarterbacks on the planet.

I know you've been to a Super Bowl and you're in the Mahomes section of the building, right? So you've got to fight your way through that hallway every year to get up to the roof, so to speak. But it's just been wildly inconsistent. They put themselves in positions. They're like, their team, they're like an ADHD team. Do you know what the symptoms of ADHD is?

Waiting to the last minute, you don't produce enough dopamine, so you need to be under the gun to feel like a task is worth doing. And I feel like the Bengals have ADHD in September. They're like, oh, we'll do it later. And then it starts being like a primetime game against the charges. And they're like, we really need this one. It's over if we lose. They lose.

All right. well, we still got a shot. It's over if we lose. You know, they just, they're, they're so on script every year. And last year was like, I've never seen anything like it. What did Joe Burroughs say at the podium? He said, yeah, we have to be like nine and seven. So, you know, we could go undefeated here on out, like win 10 games. Yeah, you know what? And I was watching quarterbacks. By the way, all those quarterbacks are coming across pretty good. Kirk is coming across is like a pretty funny guy in a way. Dang it.

You know, like the Roy Rogers thing and all that. But I think Jared Goff's coming across as a great guy, which he is. Got a lot of respect for him, and I got a lot of respect for Joe Burrow. And watching with my kids, they've been kind of glued to the TV watching this quarterbacks. And there was a scene during the Tennessee game, which last year you remember, even within a season of just like a comedy of airs every week that game they spotted tennessee like 14 points or something like that they found themselves down Tennessee was not a good football team and um joe burrow was incensed on the sideline after the game he was fucking pissed and i turned

away and i go that's greatness right there and that's got to be circling back to this a tough way to live for a guy that's just plugged in and wants to win as much as joe burrow does he's going to lose this fucking mind if they don't change things around there one good thing though they arrested the pawn shop that sold his goods they they acquired illegally and didn't report the stolen goods right right there in new york city so someone stole stole the stuff in ohio and sold it in new york city but he got that back recently so oh shit dude waylon saw that and he was like we were getting ready to go to bed he's like he's like are we going to get burglarized i was like i was like nah dude and he and he and he was like um you know i really wanted to be a pro athlete all this time but like what about the burglaries

yeah what about what about the burglaries what a great question man it's a great question way scary questions scary question the other night he was doing that i want to be a pro athlete thing of my wife was doing that. Hey, just remember there's a lot of things you can be besides a pro athlete and you've got to work really hard. You've got to be really lucky. And he's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, let me ask you this question. There was a pause and he goes, how much are they making it in high school

these days? I was like, dude, it ain't working like that just yet. Not just yet. High school players are making bread, though. How much? I think, wait, I think there's, I think there's definitely high schoolers out there making six figures. Yeah, six figures. Is it seven already?

Yeah. Some, yeah. So I gotta tell Whalen truth now. Man. Imagine your son's making like seven figures and you're like, clean your room. He's like, get out of here. You broke bitch. What?

And I always said I wouldn't put my hands on my kids, but if my son's 17 and he calls me broke and won't clean his room, we might fight. Dad, I got a cleaner. I got a cleaner coming. Get out of my face. Yeah. What if he says? Yeah. I have a cleaner coming.

He's like, every Wednesday, they're cleaning my room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No,

the plot twist is that he, he hires your cleaning people from you. Oh, yeah. Just for. And I'm like, what the fuck? You didn't do my closet?

They're like, we work for Mr. Wayland now. Oh, man. Can you imagine what else? Like, just all the,

the, You talk about going from really excited for your kid to all of a sudden, like, damn, I can't tell him. But imagine that kid that has maybe not the best relationship or the best parents, and now you can big dick them and be like, you know what? The tables have turned. So we got high school football players getting paid but not players for the Dallas Cowboys. Obviously, annual event here, Cowboys Player Contract Dispute.

Right on schedule. This time, Micah Parsons. How do you guys see the Jerry versus Micah saga unfolding here as we inch our way closer to the season opener? This might be a stupid question, but when have these ever not resolved themselves? How do you mean? A hold-in specifically with lower back tightness?

How many times does the player ultimately not get the bag? The best player on the team ultimately not get the bag from his team. And we saw this last year with Dak. Null pointed that out. Like, you know, Dack, we were wondering when they were going to do it, when they were going to do it. They had a deal in place and seemed to break it right when the NFL season got started. Wasn't it right after preseason?

Yep. So, you know, like maybe there's something agreed to in principle, and they're a lot closer than everybody's leading on. But like, when does this stuff not get done? I know I had the reaction other day and I still do of like, hey, Jerry, this is like, Jerry, you're making a fool out of yourself, man. And I'm not saying this as somebody who, like I don't like the Cowboys,

but I don't obsess over the Cowboys as much as some because they've won four playoff games since 2000. When you look at the other teams in that echelon, it's like the Bears, the Raiders, teams like that. Okay? So what have the Cowboys done to be the center of attention other than having that star on their helmet? And so, you know, I kind of look at it and I say this will eventually get done.

And number two, you know, Jerry talks about all the risks you take on when you sign a player to, you know, a deal or, you know, talking about guaranteed money, this, that and third. It's a risk playing for the Cowboys. If you're a premier pass rusher or any position player, you're going to play for a team that's won four playoff game since 2000. Your earning window is only so big. Your window to cash in on the next contract is only so big. Players on good teams appear to be good players at a higher click and get paid. So, you know, like, Jerry, look in the mirror. It's not like Dallas is a place you, you know where a place is that you go and you look better

unless you're Bryce Huff, like, and I'm not making being funny, but like Philly. You go there, you're like, you're on the Monstars, man. You know, like everybody's going to look better for having played in Philly. Dallas is not one of those places right now. So I know it's not a straight line that we're drawing or a parallel between guaranteed money or contract and the risk that players take and selecting their team. But if I was a player, I wouldn't want to play for the Cowboys. I have one for you. Levion Bell, 2018.

Refused to sign this franchise tag, set out the entire season, then entered unrestricted free agency and signed with the New York Jets. Right. Rare. Yeah. Different position. And now look at him. He's doing great. Yeah.

I mean, Michael obviously hasn't practiced. Like he's, yeah, just doing like the back tightness thing. But I still feel like it's such a risk. I mean, he could, like, there could be some kind of freak thing where, you know, God forbid, but like some kind of injury where I just don't understand why he's not holding out is like my question, especially because when you're on a rookie deal, you can be fined up to like 40K per day missing camp. But on rookie deals, those fines can get. rescinded so he has no financial downside like it's just team first mentality null it makes you

think maybe they have a deal he maybe they have some sort of a deal i don't know i i don't know what's going on maybe maybe maybe jerry doesn't like looking like he's just getting rolled over but here's the thing it's just cowboys are always the most talked about and honestly since last year's media whole thing with mika being in the media and since the end of the season season, Cowboys, they didn't do anything again. I just feel like why at the very first opportunity of team activities, does your old owner have to get in front of the media and stir the pot? Like, it's just like, yo, your guy is showing up.

It's not like he's been out there saying, I'm holding out, or he's putting out anything negative into the media. and even if I am thinking about doing the right thing, what happens if now that I hear you stirring the pot and you're saying all this BS, you're saying I sat out six games when it was only four games, you're trying to downplay. That's libel.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. You're trying to downplay my accomplishments like while we're going through money talks, and I don't like it. So it's one of those things where maybe I am trying to do the right thing by my team, and hey, maybe I like to like to, like to be at camp. I want to get the work in. I want to be out there. I don't want to have to

worry about this. I want to let my agents worry about this. But let's worry about it behind closed doors and not have everyone in our business. And now, every time I go to the podium from here until the season starts, which is every single day, I'm going to have to hear about this until it's done. Yeah, and also... ...percentage of this that is smiles and glory holds. Very low percentage. And that's the key to this whole thing. There's going to be days like this when you own the Dallas Cowboys. You know, it's not all going to be sunshining glory holes.

There's new team-issued merch, swag, gear, every single year. He doesn't want to miss out on that. Maybe he likes getting his lower back rubbed on in the facility. I mean, he does have to walk in and say my back is tight, right? It's not just for the microphones. It's a good place to get treatment depending on how you feel about your trainers. You know the world I envision,

fellas, is where somebody's under contract and then they honor the contract. I know y'all are all going to be, oh, Micah Parsons is the best player in NFL and deserves to get paid more. Kat's under contract. Signed a contract.

You know? Can we renegotiate all the players who suck? Can we start doing that? counterpoint he's going to make 24 mil this year fully guaranteed but if something happens that will prevent him from playing after this year tj watch is signed for a hundred and eight mill guaranteed at signing yeah well micha should have thought about that five years ago you know maybe his yeah as a rookie maybe the players union should have been working harder on his behalf i just love a contract you know i know you do

I know you do. I know you do. I know you do. And you've never been contracts for star players or star clients. There's never, there's never an exception. Like, and if you were to make an exception. There are no exceptions with making. And when you, if you are going to make an exception, wouldn't it be for the best player on the defensive side of your team?

For sure. For sure, Nate. My comment is mostly tongue and cheek. I just, I find it humorous that we're. that were on the person who's trying to the side of the person trying to break the contract as opposed to Mr. Gloryhole. What about, what about coaches and their mobility?

Your white collar ass, face ass. Are we talking about, I'm talking about everybody, dude, just. Love a contract. Honor your contracts, sign contracts and honor them. So, I mean, we had a lot of these, you know, players, some ownership issues, but there have been some fun stuff from training camp as well. Gino, I didn't write back Smith, ripped another great quote the other day. I didn't come to Vegas to roll the dice.

I came to run the table. And with Nate, with that quote, the last year's Gino quote being one of your favorites during the 2024 season, do you think this is going to make it at the top of? your quotable list. I just can't wait. It's good or bad. With TikTok and with internet error, I can't wait for them to run this quote. And then it's just boom.

And it's a bunch of interceptions. And a bunch of a bunch of sacks and fumbles. Or it's going to be a bunch of fistpumped and dimes. But hey, Gino. You know, back with Pete Carroll, you know, Pete probably has him feeling very, very good about himself. You know, he's the type of coach that can put that confidence in his players. So, you know, with the bars, you know, it isn't surprising. And hopefully, hopefully he plays well.

I feel like Vegas is due for maybe one of those seasons. They've, I wouldn't say, been on the cuss. They always have pretty good talent. And maybe it's something where they just needed a coach plugged in where maybe it can relate to three or four more wins for them on a season. They are one of those teams that if they win some close games, they could win, you know, nine games or something like that or 10 games. And honestly, like, you know, you always have your – seems like you have question marks about the defense generally. but I would say Pete Carroll is a guy that to your point

breathes a little confidence into his group like you heard him talking some quotes in a similar vein where it's like hey we're going to win a lot of games here it's almost like they get together and you know Gino and him are like hi right let's sound as confident as we possibly can because we have to set the tone

because there's a lot of players here and we worked together before that aren't sure what to expect when a new regime comes together. So you want to appear very confident. And good for him. I can see Pete being like, hey, Gino, that run the tables quote, I like that. We are going to run the table. We're going to run the tables too.

Yeah. Hey, guys, the wide receiver room is Jacoby Myers, Trey Tucker, Jack Bess, Dante Thornton, Tommy Mollatt, Alec, Alec, No, they got that young kid. They got that young kid. They can put those. What about the tight end? They can put the load. They could put the load on that young guy.

He's shown it already. Whoa. He's, he's shown it already. Hey, easy. Easy sick guy. Easy. Oh, easy me? I'll say like, hey, look at my finger and you'll be like, oh, pause.

And then you're like, yeah, bust a nut on that young tight end. And I'm not supposed to say anything. Bro. This doesn't work. Bro. You, you're so selective with your little, with your little game. Bro, by choice. you use a pen with a penis on it,

with a naked pink penis on it. Do I use that pen? Yes, all the time. That's like a, I saw you over there, stroking that pen. I saw you over there funneling that pen. Gino's,

wordsmiths have come a long way since 10 years ago, that broken jaw. Yeah, so I made a list. because we didn't know what to talk about anymore at this point in the summer. But I made a list of things I remember from training camp. Like the biggest things that I remember from training camp, like watching the one that obviously is so rare is like,

it's rare to see a quarterback getting a fight on the field. Now we saw with Cam Newton who put Josh Norman in a headlock and like that further cemented the fact that he's like a football player, not a quarterback. And like, you know, you got to respect that about him as a big motherfucker. But Gino, getting in a fight like you're not supposed to punch

quarterbacks you're not supposed to touch quarterbacks let alone break their jaws and it felt to me like at that juncture in his career he must not have been that well liked for you to be and the turnaround that he's made since

that crazy day the guy who punched him I think ended up playing in Buffalo another year or two but that was the punch heard around the world in August That was some of the biggest training camp news I can ever remember. Probably changed the trajectory of his career. Like having to sit out like for the first, what, six games of your career and not being available because your jaw? Because one of your teammates punched you.

Yep. Like, that's crazy. I mean, you hear about fights all the time, but rarely do you hear about fights all the time. But rarely do you hear that the quarterback got in a fight? Like, you're supposed to. You can't tell. touch the quarterback in practice. You can't get near the quarterback in practice. Red jerseys, red jerseys. But he managed to get punched in a jaw. That's crazy. You had to be

doing some really out-of-pocket shit. Either that or the other guys just insane. Yeah, exactly. Or that can definitely be it too. Someone just with a live wire and just ready to go. Weren't you there for the Marty fight that was really funny? Yeah. Marty Bennett? It was. What did he say? Didn't he say something crazy? Well, yeah, it was between him and what was Virginia Tech Kid? Said again. Kyle Fuller.

Yeah, Kyle Fuller accidentally grabbed Marty by the face mask and like while trying to make a tackle and brought him down aggressively. And when Marty got up, rightfully so, he was really upset. Kyle Fuller was backing up and was kind of like, my bad, doing the whole. My bad, I didn't mean to. And Marty in the moment was so pissed. While Kyle Fuller has his hands up, he just grabs his face mask and kind of like, you know how Spider-Man like punches the ground? Like with his hand not letting go over the face mask.

He punches the ground, which makes Kyle's fuller neck and head just like go to the ground and body, just go to the ground. And this is in front of probably like, what, like 10,000 fans. Yeah, it was in Bourbonnet. Yeah, in Bourbonnet, Illinois, Olivet, Nazareth, college. And you just hear everyone just go, ooh. Yeah. And then it got crazy.

But after the fact, when kind of everyone was kind of like breaking things up and calming down, Brandon Marshall had a lot, had a lot to say. And he like, really, really loud, he was like, like, what are you doing? We need that guy. and Marty looked like his head was going to explode and he looked and he goes,

we need him, we need me! And then his focus of anger then turned to Brandon Marshall and then they almost fought and I think Marty had said, what he had said?

He said pro bowlers getting knocked out to or something like that. can get knocked out too. Do you want to talk or do you want to fight? And then Brandon Margin said, m, man, man, man, man, man. Is that what Marty's account of him was? That's what Marty said.

Yeah, yeah, it's Brandon Marshall. Oh, man. It's hot out there. It's hot out there. Guys fight when it's hot. Poor Mark Tressman, just a friendly, nice Canadian trying to just coach a football team.

When you and Kyle fought, what did he say? You guys are brothers. Oh, there goes Fax, 93. Oh, there he is. What are you thinking about doing? You're thinking about getting Kyle Fuller's back? Bro.

He on his own. No, not against Marty. Me and Marty, we play pickup together. We used to play pickup together at Lifetime Fitness, basketball in, whatever, in Illinois and wherever, Lake Forest. Yeah. Dude fouled Marty. Are you doing a non-stop?

silent s thing today what's that just the illinois and bourbonnays okay illinois i don't know but in a pickup basketball game a regular joe not on purpose fouled martellis bennett and after he fouled him martellis bennett proceeded to grab this guy like with two hands bully style put him up on the padded wall and was like don't try to contest my shot like you're not going to block me like what are you doing

I'm a pro football player yeah that's crazy dude and he was pretty good at basketball too he was very good at basketball yeah those are some good pickup games he also like like that's a big man to find yourself in a squabble with as a civilian

the dude was just playing pickup with like finance bros bro The dude was like just like, like you said, like a finance bro, just playing hard basketball, did not try to foul him purposely. The fear in this guy's eyes and face, because everyone was just like, it was just so sudden. And like he did it. And then he just kind of let him go and then ran down the court and got ready for defense. Like, and everyone was just kind of like, yo, what just happened? Oh, shit.

Oh, man. That's awesome. Good old, good memories there, man. Cowboy, can you pull up Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook late 90s? It's the very definition of someone wailing on somebody else. I don't know if anybody ever got a, who was it? Back story. It was Michael Westbrook.

He's wearing 82 and just pummeling the franchise running back. Who punches on Stephen Davis? Damn, dude On something I said Yeah, you don't want to find some Huge punches on Stephen Davis Disagreement on something I said Or possibly he said

Possibly he said Yeah, you don't want to fight with a guy A skill guy who's got those sunglasses Or the knee braces Like he put those knee braces on him It was over, dude that's a beat down right there that's one where you just got to cover up

who else did you have in your training camp memory bank the Jaguar cutting David Gerard a week before week one and Blaine Gabbert forced to start where he visibly

was not ready and everyone part of that locker room in that locker room we all knew Blaine knew he was not ready and for them whether people and the coaching staff knew or not that was going to happen and the way um why can't I think of his name right now Jack Del Rio the way Jack Del Rio reacted the way he reacted when this happened makes me think that he didn't know but Blaine was not

prepared he wasn't ready he was still flinching in the pocket scared to get hit and practice where quarterbacks don't get hit and it was just one of the craziest things and he got he got cut after we did the team banquet with all the season ticket holders who pay money to sit at a specific table one of the dirtiest things I've ever heard they pay they pay at they paid to sit with certain players at specific tables on the bus ride home from that while we're still on our jerseys could we took pictures with fans and and the season ticket holders and whatever it may be on the bus ride home for that all of a sudden you hear guys being like yo they cut Dave like what Dave who Dave who like yo they just cut our quarterback because

if they did it I think they were going to owe him nine mill if they didn't cut him so they let them go contracts contracts oh contracts I should have honored it I thought this was the most obvious is the fact that they don't have to hunt on the contracts, but here's an example where, and what a dirtbag move, and it's just the reality in the NFL, but like, I mean, that, that luncheon thing, you know, most people listening have never been to one of these luncheons. They're like, you know, you're at the most tired you are in camp, like, you're hanging on. It's stressful. People are fighting for their lives, and they're like, all right, today, instead of a day off,

we're going to go down to this expo center and we're going to feed you lunch. lunch meat and you got to wear a really tight game jersey and sit with like people from that's exactly what it is Virginia national bank nothing against bankers um or people at like a medical sales device company but like i'm in the middle training camp like i don't feel like doing this like i'm i'm you know i'm institutionalized at this point and and you sit there and they feed you like wedge lettuce and and nasty lunch meat and and you're like a fucking you're like a caged animal i took out the best part you know you're What he he addressed everybody he was the speaker yeah they had to have him talk he was nobody else to talk he was the speaker like so it's just like and that was my what maybe that was my rookie season so really the impact of everything that was going on oh yeah or maybe my second season rookie season or second season second my second year my first training camp with with jack jacksonville and I was still young so like the impact of really what was going on in the moment like I didn't really know. Like in my head, just being a free agent, like, dudes get cut every day, B.

Like, the guys you're around and you're near, guys get cut every single day. Guys are there two days. So it's just one of those things for me, like not really being a Jacksonville Jaguar fan and knowing about their team and what, like, how good David Gerard was. I was just like, oh, like, guys get cut. Like, I guess that's just what happens or whatever. but now looking back and just the whole the whole ordeal as a whole like we're talking about making him do that do that banquet knowing that you're already going to get rid of them and doing that

whole thing some dirty shit dude it really is i've seen guys get cut on the plane ride back like like i've seen dudes get cut on my rookie year they were cutting dudes on the plane ride back from the the chief's final preseason game we went to arrowhead like that's a 20-minute flight like you couldn't wait till we we got home you got to like pull the guy out of like 16c and cut him like on the plane like dudes were like crying in the plane and shit like it's um it's it's it's it's it's it's a weird time no and you were a grim reaper weren't you oh was the reaper yeah what was the hardest cut you had to make tales of the reaper dude i mean it's um i mean the worst ones are like the the

the, like, the P-Squod guys who are, like, you're, like, you're cutting them every week. They cut them, and then they come back to practice, and you cut them. And it's like, I mean, like, you do that, like, car ride, drop them off the hotel so many times. Like, you kind of develop a little bit of a relationship. And eventually the guy's, like, I'm just, like, numb to it now. I'm like, holy shit. But, like, the worst, I mean, there are some bad ones, but, like, there was one. Like, I won't name any names, but, um,

a dude had gotten win that I was coming down and he was like the last thing I ever want to do was go in the locker room because that's like the player sanctuary and I'm like I'm staying out of there but I couldn't find this dude and you know they got the the front office needs to get this done so I go in there and he had gotten word that I was kind of around and he was just hiding out the shower and like wasn't going to come out and like with his clothes on smart just a towel and i'm like you want to cut me you're going to have to cut me like this if i stayed here long enough maybe they'll find someone else to cut yeah right and then but then it's like but then like i'm getting text like yo where are you at like we're like we're gonna cut you yeah yeah right right so eventually

i'm like now i'm like now i'm yeah i'm getting pissed and like fuck me now like now i'm yeah i might get cut. So eventually I'm just like, I'm just like holler into the bathroom like, yeah, let's go. Like you back there? Yeah. You're fucking cut. It's fucking over, man. I'm like, put the dog on. Yeah. Brutal. That's awful. That's the word. That's so bad, dude. And, you know, I've seen guys get cut before that had like really, they were like fixtures. Like they were like practice squad fixtures or guys that like somebody like Stephen Means, who if Eagles fans remember him way back when I played, he was like a practice squad, beast. And he was kind of that guy that never got a lot of play during, you know, an NFL

Sunday, but everybody on the team respected the fuck out of him. The O. Iman feared him. He had like a 50-pound head. And he would, he would just battering around people. And yeah, Nate, pause. And Nate's head came out. Like, maybe I can get my get back. It's on the line. But he used to just obliterate people, dude. And when they cut him, you'd have thought we cut like Chuck Bed and Eric. And I'm not being funny. Like, dudes were shook up over it. D-Corinator, Schwartz was shook up over it. And so, like, it's a really hard time.

Like, there's some guys that, like, every cut hurts, but some guys have been there a long time. And then what's really sad is when you start to see guys that you grew up watching or guys that, like, you really respected who were older than you, and they're on their last leg. And, you know, they're veterans and you're watching them around cut time. And, you know, it's hard. Some of them are living in hotels and, you know, kind of just moved around.

They're away from their family. It's a tough time of year, man. Not right now. a couple of years or a couple weeks from now is going to be be real tough where did you hang out like if you were trying to get guys was it by the uncrustibles i mean i would always go like weight room training room yeah nutrition area parking lot and then like just emerge from between two cars well then like and then like you could find one of the strength guys you know have you seen so-and-so like maybe check a positional meeting room guys crunch and tape whatever um but after

did you just go get them to take them to take them to the general manager? Yeah, you bring them upstairs. And then like the executive's like, get your playbook? Yeah, your iPad. It's like, hey, you know, yeah, they want to holler out you upstairs.

Cut me, Nolan, real fast. Cut me. Yeah, cut read. Cut me. They just told you, the front office just told you, reads the next guy, here's the list and reads the first one on the list.

All right, reads in the bathroom, spread eagle. Hey, we got to go in. Reed, they want to talk to you upstairs. All right, cool. I'm going to take a shower real fast. That's all I would say. Hey, Reed, pull up your pants.

He did it in a blanche. There's a call upstairs talking to plants. Let some fucking clothes on. Reed. Reed, you can stand up straight now. Stop pulling your butt cheeks apart. We've done this before. Hey, you got to talk to Joe Douglas.

Yeah. I got one more nostalgia one that I just remember following the, the headlines of this but you remember the Albert Haynesworth conditioning test oh yeah oh yeah that was it was always it was like crazy me to follow because I was like

I mean how hard were the conditioning test like hard if you're not it depended no even if you are here's the thing about the conditioning test the 300 test it was the 300 test okay so

let me give you a synops of what 300 yard shuttle is it's 50 and back six times or three times 50 in back three times and you know some people do it a hundred in back but it's some people do it 25 and back what 12 times whatever it is yeah six times six whatever it is I'm fucking I'm all fucked up you know I can't do math when I'm sick but but yeah like 25 and back is hard we used to see dudes pulling up at the end we the funniest what the conditioning test was and I don't know if this is what you remember about the Haynesworth thing I just remember he couldn't pass it right yeah carried on for like a week and a half Shanahan would

let him practice until he passed it. And that happens every year with guys. Um, the funniest shit is the guys that clearly aren't going to make it. And they dive at the very end to like impress the coaches. Like look at, I mean, he wants it so bad. He didn't want it bad enough to train in the off season. But this guy really wants it in this moment. He's willing to. Look, let me, let me cape, let me cave for Albert Hayesworth a little bit. That is what the 25 test. That test. That test. I don't think the 25 one, I don't think O. Lyman or guys over a certain weight, like you should have to do the 25 one. I think that one's, I think that's the hardest out of all of them.

And honestly, I just feel like the times for, it should be different for certain guys. How big was Albert, like 350? He was up there, right? Yeah, he was huge. I mean, he had to be 360. Hey, I got the headline here from 2010. six or three 50 Albert 50

this goes this is a great ES fan headline knee won't allow Haynesworth to complete test bro you don't have a choice bro I feel you with your bro when you're 300 pounds plus and I used to be 300 like pounds

like my second year and it's one of those things if you have any nagging injury bro like it can it can definitely hold you back from doing stuff when you're that big your body tells you hey imagine being a white guy trying to run that conditioning test you heard amman raw's dad last week we're all playing at a

disadvantage i got two white parents you expect me to to go the same conditioning tests as players with with no but the way but the way he's talking your dad is like the 10 times better equivalent than him like in a sense of top of the line in their in their profession how did he get there say it again how did he get there Because he had two white parrots. We're just overcomers. I'm just glad that somebody is finally saying the quiet part out loud, which is I am an overcomer.

And they should do an E-60 about me. At some point, there will be an E-60 about high-motor white guys and the great. I think you'll be top ten. Top ten, high-motor. High-motor, for sure. No, I don't think so. you know I'm trying to think of the other one

I had one other thing in training camp oh D-Hop popping D'Angelo Hall's Achilles which is not a funny thing but like it's also one of the most like decisive victories in like a world I don't fear no one I fear God boy and and

and and and um D Hall's cool dude and even for a hokey I really like D. Hall and he was a great player but that day was like that was also at a point in D. Hopps career where we were like, this young guy is pretty good. And it was a veteran and the young guy. And there's nothing more sobering than when the young guy is like, I'm here to take your,

not take your spot, but I'm here to take your food. And under the current set of circumstances, I'm just that good. And I'm that young. And the way they edited and cut that clip up, that always goes viral, like every, like, probably once a year. Like at some point, it'll get put out. And every time you see it, you're just like, you're like, oh, oh, oh. Just like you.

Or we can box. I feel God, I don't know. I feel God. I fear God, boy. I feel God, boy. I feel God, bud. Ye. Oh, man.

Never sounded as cool as when I used to say that. I fear God. I feel God. I used to go against, like, JP. I fear God. I just walked this shit out of me. It didn't work as well. All right.

So, yeah, that's, those are the most noteworthy camp memories I have as a fan of the game, like things that didn't happen at my training camp, like things that rocked my world. Training camp, you know, you get to throw that jersey back on. And a few of these teams, they get to throw away some new threads on. We've had a number of new jersey releases. I'll run you through a few of them. The Packers today, what do you guys think of this new helmet? Cheeks.

Cheeks. Just stop with it. Stop with the faux leather. Stop with that. This is significantly better than the Aaron Rogers brown helmet. They had the same jersey, but just straight brown helmet. You want to know why I like this? Huh.

Because we're one marketing deal away from a team having a pokey ball on their helmet. And it's going to be electric. It's going to be electric. It's going to be so great. It's going to be so fire. Like, we need something different. It's cool. It's the alternate.

They only get to wear this, what, once, maximum twice a year, right? Like when they... Yeah, just twice a year. Get the fucking, um, the squirrel on your helmet. Bro. Like a bad Army Navy uniform. Yeah. No, what it reminds me of is Illinois uniform.

I think Illinois tried to do something like this. Yours was lit. And I think Illinois actually did a good job with it, but it doesn't work as well here. But the Illinois had an artist who hand-painted every single helmet for that. I wonder- I did way better here. I wonder if they had someone paint those or it's just like the stickers.

Maybe it's crayons. I want to show you this because there was a very special reveal of this helmet. Staged. Totally fake. One of the most staged things of the past year. One of them. um this is this is stage this guy's falling off it's the brown's like helmet reveal which i don't even understand really like i kind of thought they already had that helmet it's brown it's got an orange

stripe guy falls in the water it's pretty clear from other angles that they're doing um marketing for dude wipes right the other angle dude wipes mascot he's johnny on the spot shot's perfect The guy falls off the boat. We're falling for the Okeedoke, but it is pretty funny. It's good marketing. It's totally fake. The only thing worse than the fake out is the helmet. Their normal helmet is orange, Chris, with the brown and white stripe.

Have we ever seen a brown helmet in any former fashion? Because the alt that they've had in the last couple years, the white out has been sweet. Yeah, I think they're white helmet alts. one of them ones dude i don't know what what they're doing they're just doing too much and in what universe is this like a great uniform and like people are like a hundred percent behind this ducky uniform and they're throwing stones at the steelers throwbacks they and they didn't like the giants throwbacks last year this might be the thing that i'm most on an island about in sports you know the meme where the guy's standing up in the town hall

and he's like actually I like the Steelers throwbacks I think they're fucking cool dude a yellow helmet I mean what color helmet would you have it be not a hinds male if that was my only choice

I would do a throwback that's crazy you guys you guys are continuing to worry about the brown pant Dijon mustard Dude, I think I think it's a good look I think it was a good look

For the Giants last year I'm not saying this to troll or rage bait Like it's one of the things in life That I truly don't understand How I'm on such an island Yeah, they're really not bad It's a good looking uniform Not everybody here can have great taste guys, you know

All right, how about these two? The fact that they're comparing them Like listen the bumblebees weren't that bad dude Like you know it's one Sunday a year You're going to see this fucked up look and who cares. This is why they made a new one is because everyone complained so much about the bubblebee.

But that's bullshit, that they're comparing it to the Batman uniforms. Like, that's crazy. That's not even close. Those are hideous, bro. Like, you can tell some people just don't pay attention. Like, even to the picture that they're looking at. Like, if you're comparing that

to the new Steelers uniforms, like, I understand if you don't like them, but that's not even close. I think it looks better than their black uniforms. Keep going up. Keep going up. These, come on. Oh, really?

Are you serious? That's a little rage, bait. That is. But I don't think the black uniforms are that great. Like, listen, I... Those are trash. Which are? Yes.

They're not great. They're not, because it's... But they're not... They're not worse than the new yellows. I don't know. The new yellows are pretty good in my book. Black and yellow is a really great combination of colors. Black and yellow, black and yellow.

I know, but if you tell Steelers fans, that they don't call it yellow. It's maze, right? I don't know, but like, they never seem to bother them when, when, um, Wiz Khalifa was singing black and yellow at all their games. All right. What did we think about the Bill's helmets? Dude, this is one of those things that I guarantee you.

Most people didn't realize they weren't wearing red helmets. And it would make a big difference, dude. I know that they want to avoid the four falls of Buffalo and that whole look, but like, I think it looks great. It's like, what was that, um, what's that phenomenon, Nate, that you were talking about last week, the Shazam thing? Sinbad. Sinbad, thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what. Mandela. Mandela. Mandela. Everyone's thinking of them. Yeah, they're beautiful. So, tell me about, so they never wore red helmets?

They wore them in the eyes. They always did. Jim Kelly. So this picture right here is Photoshop that I'm looking at? It's shop. You usually see Josh Allen and a white helmet, which I think, I'll leave a lot of money on the table doing that, in my opinion. It is shocked, but that's what they're going to wear in week 18 this year.

But they're not going back to the Jim Kelly era jersey, which, in my opinion, is superior to this jersey because of all the wacky striping going on. Yeah, I'm with you actually, May. And I take Herman Thomas's wholesale. The Saints, please wear that helmet. That gradient black helmet is one of the worst helmets in football. Yeah. And anybody who likes that gradient black helmet. So let me ask you this.

I'd like to see how you decorate your house and shit. When you guys are saying you don't like all black or... Whoa, whoa, whoa. All black helmets. That's a dog shit helmet. Your wake forest with like... Yeah. With like some weird thing on your dome.

Okay. What makes like a jerk? a jersey or a helmet, but when you look at it, like, automatically, you're like, no. What makes a face beautiful? What makes a face less attractive? What are you asking? What are you asking?

I'm asking you, what do you find attractive in somebody's face? You know, it's just sometimes you know, you see somebody, you're like, that's a good looking person. Or maybe that person's not my cup of tea. It's the same thing with uniforms. Sometimes you can't explain it. Okay. for helmets, are you a fan of any helmets that are just old school, nothing on, like the browns.

Fuck yeah. No, no decals, no logos, nothing, solid color. Yeah, absolutely. I love a good solid color with a block number. Penn State, Alabama, Crimson Tide helmet. Okay. Ohio State. But for the NFL, do you think that will look all right with the jerseys?

It depends on the team. If I was to make, if I was to. to make a single NFL helmet go away in favor of a, you know, a logo-less helmet? Hmm. The Browns look great. Who's got the worst helmet logo? It's just that simple. The Bengals have one of the best helmets in football, period.

I've never been a big fan of the Bucks flag. And I'm not a fan of Washington Commanders W logo. Look, and this isn't rage bait. This isn't rage bait. But explain to me if you're not a Philadelphia Eagles fan, what is so great about the Kelly Green? Oh, my God. Like, you guys are saying that.

Okay, oh, my God, what? It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. It's literally just a different hue of green. You're not in the five foot, 10 drop dead gorgeous brannettes. What is it about Duleepa? But it's just two hue colors different than the regular helmet.

Right, but we're talking about like colors and such. Okay. That's a nice color. Kelly Green is one of the best colors in the color kingdom. And the wings become silver with white outline. Titans probably need to do something at some point. I mean, I like the logo and everything, but I'm not married to it. That dark blue helmet with the powder blue and the white logo.

Yeah. Yeah. Zero. If you don't have a logo, you have to have tradition. You have to be a very old team. Goat. These are A1, dude. These are A1.

Creamsicle. Look at that color. That's what I'm asking. Nate, do you like the cream sickles? I love the cream sickle. And I don't know if it's... I think that's a similar concept as a Kelly Green. It's just a perfect color.

Perfect color. But the Kelly Green don't have a face. famous ice cream that you can compare it to. And that was like an implement of my childhood. So when I see this jersey, I think about a hot summer day. And you're hearing the damn ice cream man coming and you're running to try to get in line to hope. So you get hungry when you see those things. Bro, you're just hoping that the people in front of you, everyone's not getting cream sickles.

So there's one. It looks like the Flintstone push pop flavor I used to love. Yes, that one too. That's creamcicle flavor. No, I know. I have you. Big fan. Fire.

Pause. Pause, too. Just thinking about eating a Flintstone pushback. Yeah, eating ice cream. That's just too sexual. That's too sexual. All right. How about the Chargers?

They just announced this the other day. Look at their... Dude, I'm really glad that they have the Natron means is in their, at their disposal. That Navy look is great. I would argue that that all yellow look is not a good thing. Bro. You're crazy yellow. The color rushes are like the best.

It's the best, yo. Dude, they legitimately make fun of the color rush games. Like some of the, do you ever see where the Rams, my last game is a ram? It was the ketchup and mustard games. My last game in St. Louis. It was ketchup and mustard. And then the last one, the commanders. Commanders.

Are we on these guys? Yeah. Hell yeah. That's all you got to do. Just shit. Man, fuck, that looks great. That looks cool. I mean, the logo's not great.

You don't have to go back to the old one, but like, you can do this. Yeah. Hey, that might be a contender for deleting a logo on a helmet. Yeah. Just get rid of that. Absolutely. When they were the football team, wasn't it very basic? This reminds me of, you know who this reminds me of?

Darrell Green. Oh, yeah, does. Like, yeah, this is, I don't know. This looks good, but I think I'm a fan of dark and dark or light and light. I don't like pants being. Oh, you like solid colors. I do like solid cut. I don't know why.

I don't know why, but, yeah. You don't like diversity. Is that what you got from that? Sort of. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It appears. Look at these boxes. I'm surrounded by diversity.

Yeah, you're right. You're holding the fort down, brother. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, man. All right. Coming off of some Jersey, talk. We're going to do some immaculate grids. Our favorite game, everyone knows.

So we'll go, I'll read it from the top so you can play along from home. So we're going left column is the bills next to them Colts and then a 10,000 yard passing career. So do you have, like, for instance, like Drew Breeze for the Chargers, like with that count? Yeah, I'm not sure. So, yeah. I'm pretty sure that it does. I mean, most people are going to think of Drew Breeze are going to be, or you could go old school and see how many people are talking about fouts or, I'm trying to think who had a short stint on the Chargers. Yeah.

But Chargers and Builds is Tyrod Taylor. That's going to be too high, though. That's going to be an over 50% deal. Oh, I forgot about this. We try to go with barely low. Yeah, yeah. And real fast, on the left side, we've got Commanders, Jaguars, Chargers. commanders jaguar's chargers yeah um Washington and Buffalo that's a tough one this is a tough one man

if we straight out Curtis Samuels in play there yeah hold on you do portals play for the Bruce Smith ever Bruce Smith yes Bruce Smith might be high though um let's see um commander pass or Jason Campbell Commander and who? Passing? I thought about that, but did he throw for $10,000? I'm pretty sure. Certainly Mark Rippin did. I know Garsohn played, Garsohn played for Colts in Washington, but that could be, that could be.

Did Hot Rod play for the good? He didn't play for the commanders, did he? No. You might want to put Garzae. I don't know if you want to put Garcin, but. I'll try, let's do them. All right, ready, locking in. Commanders.

47%. Oh, wow. 25%. Good guess. Bills in Washington. You said Curtis Samuel is a good example there, very recent. Oh, no. You can do Stephen Houska for Jaguar's Bills.

You got to go with the specialist, dude. Yeah. Name spelling, though, howsh. There we go. Howshka When did you play there? There's a couple Oh, we already did that

I got a charger in a colt That's really good Charger and a colt Jim Harbaugh Yeah, it's true Feel good? Sure I'm sure of it, but it may be popular

Nice Oh, no Does that sense of 10's good All right 8% for Jim Harbaugh what about mark ripen for washington well tyrod taylor's too obvious

we already said that is he though yeah what about spikes spikes spikes played for like 15 teams he was he was with the chargers right and he definitely played in buffalo

he played in buffalo nice all right all right so we need lower and lower Colts and jazz Colts and Jacks. Nate, think about your teammates.

Do you play anybody else with anybody who had played in Indy? That's what I'm trying to think. Doosable? Lajet played for a lot of team. Did he not play for... I don't know if he played for Indy. No. I don't believe he did.

Colts. The Jags, man. No offense to the Jags, but when you go down there, you don't oh you don't really stand out um oh fuck fucking a

kicker go ahead Nick Foles Foles yep will he be too high I was gonna say I was gonna say Matt Gay

another kicker another specialist yeah you could specialize this shit up dude I'm pretty sure he played for both I'm not 100% though Well, don't worry. If you get it wrong, the whole thing's ruined. We'll do this one last then.

Then do Foles. Do Foles. Do Foles. People don't remember that, that indie. Oh, wow. What is it? Fresh in their mind, 41, that hurts. A lot of people remember.

He probably was a really good 10,000 guy. Let me ask you this. Yeah. $1,000. He had $10,000 in the playoffs. let me ask you this does von miller qualify no because he hasn't played a snap yet

that's the problem that's the problem um is there a running back did did stephen davis play in buffalo not to my knowledge Stephen davis and Lee Evans only played in Buffalo right yeah

um Lee Evans the the tight end or the wide receiver Yeah. I was saying wide receiver. Lee Evans. Did Andre Reid? Andre Reid?

I do not know. Oh, Fitzpatrick. Everybody's going to know that one. UVA teammates. We got any UVA teammates that overlapped on either of those teams? Austin Pastor. Austin Pastor.

He didn't have 10,000 yards. Right. Passing. We said Curtis Samuel London Fletcher Are my making that up I don't know if you will He definitely played Washington

I got one Do you all remember the defense of M Mario Addison Yeah Yeah I think he played one year in Washington Are you want me Do it Sure

All right Three to one Hey Nice Good job Chris Good pull Yeah, I'm going to get us to the finish line, fellas. All right, 10,000 yard passers.

Rippin or Campbell here? Are you sure Campbell had 10,000 yards? I'm like 99.9% of a while. I don't know that he had 10,000 yards. I think so, but if we're sure about ripping, I mean. Is ripping the guy? What about Gus Ferrat? Did he have 10?

That's a big deal here. I don't mean, you know, you don't want to end up SOL because. I think Jason Campbell played his full rookie contract in Washington. Like, I would think that over time he accrued 10,000 yards. And then over... What's the demo of people who play this game? Because Mark Ripon is now old. Yeah.

I think that's... Yeah, I didn't know. I'll go with the older guy unless Joe Thaisman. I don't know that he had 10. Oh, he had it. Nice. 4% well back. I think that's good at this game.

I'm not doing. Did our friend David Garard have 10K? Yeah, Garard probably had it, but. Is there anybody else? You got to think about like, they obviously were now, yeah. Did either of the McCowns have 10K? Probably not, right? No.

I'm sure that sub-500 quarterback T. Law has. Bordals. Bortals has it. I don't think, you think Bortles has it? I bet everybody's forgotten about David Garard. Yeah, I bet Garard's high, but not like brutal. All right. Nice.

Nice. All right. Charger and 10K. Did Drew Breeze play? He, I pretty sure he had like four seasons. Yeah, but. But a lot of people are going to remember that, too. Yeah, but I don't know if there were great ones.

No, but I think it's combined 10,000 yards over the course of career. I don't think it's 10,000 in. And I mean, nobody that's playing this game is probably on the fouts train. Yeah, I would do fouts. All right. Let's see what we get, boys. Immaculate. We know.

We know. 736. Where's okay? Oh, no, that's... Oh, that'd be interesting. Tell people the most popular, huh? All right, yeah, most popular. So, Bill's commanders, we've got Ryan Fitzpatrick.

commanders colts it's Carson Wentz at 51% commanders 10,000 passer is Kirk cousins Jaguars and Davis bills Gabe Davis Jags and Colts is Nick Foles Or menshoe it could have been Yeah, Jags and 10,000 yard passers Mark Brunel Chargers bills is Terrod Taylor Chargers Colt is Philip Rivers and Chargers 10K is Drew Brees

Wow really nicely done guys there's 11 oh wow 11 jaguars and 10,000 passers so our really Dan fouts is 21% pretty solid it's a good day at the office guys

114 rarity rating that's fair as fuck we'll be back Monday or Tuesday one of those days yep I can't tell you had a great interview with Colt Tanner Bordellini can keep that yep I like yeah I love when

Bill gets in there talking trenches with some of his Wisconsin brothers. I really enjoyed him interviewing all the Wisconsin running backs. That guy's like, but it was like Mr. Mr. Wisconsin. So check that one out.