Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Week 11 Recap. Chris on Carson & the Eagles. ESPN's Stanford Steve on Tua, Ravens/Titans & Colts/Packers.

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

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And this is what I would say if I was Doug Peterson. Wipe that fucking look off your face and let's go ruin somebody's year. This week, the next week, the week after that, and then we slide into playoffs. And the whole world will be mad because we win a home playoff game with like five fucking wins on the season. Happy Monday morning, everybody. This is the Greenlight Pod. I'm your host Chris Long. and I don't know why I looked at birthdays today.

Just figured maybe there was somebody worth noting. Today is Billy the kid's birthday. Anybody remember Billy the kid? He was like an outlaw. He's most well known for his role in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. If you were born in 1985, you would know that. So this rabbit hole is going to have me watching Bill and Ted's excellent adventure this Thanksgiving week. Zero chance I don't watch that movie this week. And in that regard, it's been a good couple

days because that reminded me to tell you all. I re-watched Dumb and Dumber Saturday night. I have not watched Dumb and Dumber in a very long time. Dumb and Dumber is like one of those movies that you know every line because you watch it so many times when you were an adolescent or a young adult. And then for me, I don't really like re-watch comedies over and over again. So it had been probably a solid decade since I'd watched Dumb and Dumber, front to back, I was so afraid that it would be bad. And it was not, it did not disappoint. I know none of you were shocked,

but I can be pretty picky about movies I used to like I grow out of them. Aged really well. I laughed really fucking hard when he like was having trouble escaping that airbag like right before Mary left the briefcase in the airport. who by the way that was her name right

Mary Swanson cowboy Reed she was a babe in the 90s oh my goodness 90s Mary Swanson's still a babe as I just I'd even told my lovely wife that when we were watching the movie the movie aged well

one of the things that I did not realize is that Lloyd and Harry were living really rough back then anybody else pick up on that I didn't as a kid they were living really rough in Providence. If you'd ask me where they were living before they set off to Aspen,

I wouldn't have been able to tell you. So that was illuminating. And this is the thing that blew my mind the most about the movie, rewatching it. I got to be careful. I know I'm saying rewatching. I'm not saying like I'm doing, this isn't a rewatchables pod. Like I'm not like,

you know, people get protective. This is just the first two minutes of a football podcast. But the little old lady in the motorized cart died in 2000. That movie was made like 1994, 1996. She was very old at that time. She had a great run. Little old lady in the motorized cart.

Passed away in 2018. She was also in Pineapple Express. That blows my mind. And by the way guys, I googled because I don't want to just refer to her as the little old lady on the motorized cart. She was born Rosie Cohen, her stage name, her acting name, was Connie Sawyer.

She was born November 27th. She's got birthday coming up. We're going to celebrate Connie's birthday. 1912. Just died two years ago. Lady lived into her hundreds. Unbelievable. What a life.

Awesome, man. She's from Pueblo, Colorado. Connie Sawyer. What a career. She's got a bunch of stuff. Google her. And here's the biggest question after re-watching dumb and dumber. And I'd like to do another podcast on this with somebody who's really passionate about the subject.

Who is dumb and who is dumber? Have you all thought about that before? I have never thought about that before. Am I dumbest because I've never thought about there being a dumb and a dumber? Or was I supposed to, if I was to watch that movie as an adult in the mid-90s, was I supposed to wonder if there was actually one, dude dumber than the other. Like to me on the surface, Lloyd is dumber than

Harry. Lloyd can't read. Lloyd like really can't read. Remember he was trying to read the newspaper? And Harry's trying to read him the newspaper? I mean, besides all the terrible ideas that Lloyd has, what makes Harry possibly sneaky dumber than Lloyd

is that he goes along with all of them and he knows better. And then that begs the question why Mary Swanson almost fell for Harry. is Mary Swanson the dumbest. Was she the dumbest? Was it dumb, dumber, and dumbest? I don't know.

Who's dumb and who's dumber? I googled it. After I had that realization, I thought I was like, I thought I just had one of the deepest thoughts of all time on the couch when that hit me. I mean, that was an epiphany like no others. We had a mailback question recently about sudden realizations that blow your mind.

That's up there with realizing that there was a hawk in the Atlanta Hawks logo. Didn't know there was. for like a long time. Now, people familiar with today's logo don't remember that there was a circle with an outline of a hawk inside of it. Some of you young folks don't remember that logo. I went through most of my life,

just seeing it as like an ambiguous shape. The day I realized there was a hawk in there that really, that blew my mind. Also, I used to play a game, NBA Opily. I don't know if it's like the Thanksgiving week. It was like an NBA version of Monopoly. It was fairly basic, but I love the game. It was so retro.

It was like the 90s. I don't know what it is about Thanksgiving week. Maybe it's making me feel a little nostalgic. But the movie ends. And, you know, I was kind of like going back and forth. And I still do want to have a pod where I have somebody on and talk about who was dumber. Because I have a theory. But the movie kind of ends with the whole Hawaiian Tropics thing.

And I think it was, I don't know who told him to go that way. And then Lloyd was like, are you kidding me? and then he calls the bus back and of course you're like yeah we want to be like Hawaiian tropics dudes at this juncture in our lives and he's like actually the town's that way

so the movie ends with them just outdoing each other so maybe as John put it my producer that kind of took it like the infinity symbol like it's just

It's just you never settle on who's the dumbest. But I do have a working theory that Mary Swanson should have known better. Maybe the viewer, if you never thought about the question on its head, maybe you're the dumbest. Maybe I'm the dumbest. Maybe I'm dumber. Who should I have on to argue this? Leave it in the comments.

But I will say one last thing about Jeff Daniels and Jim Carrey. Those guys have a ton of range. I mean, I'm not even being funny. who would have thought those two would go on to have the type of careers they've had. Unbelievable. I mean, it's legitimately a classic. I would suggest if you haven't watched some time,

go back and watch it. And I would suggest to those of you film snobs who are scoffing at me because I hadn't seen dumb and dumber in a while, I would tell you, just probably go fuck yourself. You know, I don't have time to watch a lot of movies. I also don't re-watch a lot of movies. Quick shout out here.

shout out to Sean Payton Listen, I got a lot of respect for Sean Payton Okay I just he's got a lot of shit to him I love the retweeting of Roddy White You know Roddy's talking shit on Twitter about The Saints, it's hate week and whatnot And then Sean waits to after the game

And just retweets him You know like The fact that Sean Payton Actually is out there on Twitter He follows your boy by the way Followed me a couple years ago or something The fact that Sean Peyton is reading people's tweets is pretty funny to me.

But Sean Payton is a great football coach. One of the greatest offensive minds our game has seen. And he's been right a lot. When it comes to quarterbacks and evaluation, he's been right on Breeze, right on Bridgewater, you know, being a stopgap.

And back when Breeze came to New Orleans, that was an unpopular thing, if you remember the whole injury thing. He also was on record about Pat Mahomes. And he was right today, Sunday. about Taysam Hill, giving them the best chance to win them the game against their heated rivals in division. When I bet the Falcons plus four and a half, I felt great about it, but I felt great about it when James Winston was quarterback. I didn't feel as good when Taysom Hill was announced this week.

And I'll get into that whole James conversation with Steve in a little bit, but Tassum just gives them a wrinkle without the Falcons having a full week to prepare, that they wouldn't have. have with James and allows them to get weird because beating them with a kind of standard dropback quarterback is something that's no given for them in any given year, including last year where they lost late in the season to a bad Atlanta team with Drew Breeze under center. So he knew what type of game it was going to be. Obviously he thought, hey, we run the football, we throw screens, play action, move the pocket, just get the ball to Alvin Camara. I mean, that's the name of the game if you're the New Orleans Saints, but, you know, Tayson Hill had an efficient day for a guy who I still don't consider a long-term answer

at quarterback. Sean Payton may very well be right right now, and he might be wrong later. Again, there's a few coaches that when I'm analyzing them, or I'm just, you know, saying my little bullshit as if they care about podcasts, I'm just a guy with a podcast. That's one of the best offensive minds that the game's ever seen. But people are wrong sometimes. and either he wholeheartedly believes this kid is the future,

or he doesn't, and he's doing what's best for the team right now, and why would he say, well, I'm going to play him this week, but I do want to volunteer that he's not the quarterback of the future. I do think he has some deficiencies. Like, what good does it do him to say that I'm not positive about that? So maybe his unrelenting faith in Taysam Hill the next five to 10 years, which is an interesting conversation because he's 30 years old, is over-exaggerated, or we assume too much about it.

But for whatever reason, Sean Peyton thinks that this was the best chance for them to win a football game, and hats off to the defense, but Sean Payton was right. Taysam Hill gave them, I doubt the game is that lopsided if James is the quarterback. So at least this Sunday, he's right. Now, there's a lot of premature victory laps on, like,

what's going to be on, like, the entry and the football and side. Epilipedia next to Taysam Hill is not yet written. Okay, and it's a lot of people were taking victory laps today because he won a football game. It was ugly at times, but Sean was right today. So shout out to Sean Payton and that defense. Also, shout out to PJ Walker.

Pretty cool. Pretty cool to be an NFL dude, get a spot start, and win by three touchdowns. Pretty awesome. Not so awesome for Matt Patricia. Just a tough game for the Lions. No need to talk about it too much.

But I do want to shout out, PJ Walker. Really cool. And very few people probably watched it, which sucks. But that was a cool moment. So today, Stanford Steve is going to join us. We're going to talk about TASM. We're going to talk about TASM. We're going to talk about the Colts win, the Titans win.

Two of the biggest games, really. And thank goodness they didn't both occur in the whole. four o'clock slate. If those two games were four o'clock, that early slate was ugly. Ugly. Macon's going to join us late for our Sunday awards. We're going to hit some Joe Burrow. We're going to hit some Deshawn Watson, some Phillip Rivers. Obviously, the Joe Burrow thing is, was a total downer. I was really on cloud nine this football Sunday. I'm liking the overcast kind of cool weather. The seasons change in a little bit.

feels like football. I just had a smile on my face today. Then the Joe Burrow thing happened. I don't get like that a lot, but this one, that one bothered me. That one really bothered me. I don't know why. Something about that kid.

I guess I'm not alone, because everybody loves him. Everybody loves the kid. And we're also gonna talk about the Virginia game. Now guys, I know this sounds like a homer thing to bring up the Virginia game, but you have to, I don't know if Stanford Steve did it or not. We're gonna save it for making, make it made sure, that he had dibs on this.

The Virginia game, if you were betting on that game, let's just say there was a really bad beat in there, and there was a really wild twist, and I've never heard of this happening before in a college football game. You're going to want to hear about that. So stick around for that. Also, on the topic, Ruckers, Michigan, man. If anybody saw that game late,

and I'm sure there's some Rutgers football fans out there somewhere, and Lord knows there's a bunch of Michigan fans, and they never give up. But there's also just a lot of people that want to see Jim Harbaugh lose. I mean, Greg Shiano's got them rolling already again, and Jim Harbaugh is not long for Ann Arbor. But my main takeaway from that game,

which was actually wildly thrilling late Friday night, I was still buzzing. I went hard on the edibles before Dumb and Dumber. And then, like, afterwards, everybody went to bed, and I found myself staring at Michigan Rucker six inches from the TV. Like, the TV's not real big. It's a kitchen TV. It's dangerous to watch.

TV next to the refrigerator there, but that's right where the TV is, six inches from my face, just mystified by this game. And I think the reason I was mystified by it, it's like something in my DNA over the last 10, 15 years, this is like the perfect bar game. This is the perfect bar football game. And I haven't even been out that long where I can go watch college football every time there's a college football game at a bar because usually I'm playing pro football but there's just something about that football game that said to me I should be at a bar right now and it sucks the pandemic dragging me down a little bit I am steadfast in my social distancing I'm not I haven't been in a bar I haven't set foot in a restaurant to dine in in six months

but that was the type of game you want to belly up to a bar and drink like uh I don't know Jameson and Bud Light. Like one JMO, one Bud Light. Watch Michigan Rutgers. Watch them go into like triple overtime. And it took me five minutes of staring at that TV to realize that one of my good friends, James Laronitis, was calling the game.

It was just a, it was a wild game to be up watching for no reason while everybody was sleeping. It was one of those things where I was getting ready to go to bed, saw a tweet, oh, there's still a football game one. Oh, Jim Harbaugh might lose to Rutgers, Maybe I should join the crowd. 40 minutes later, I was not disappointed.

That was a hell of a football game. But I'm not going to lie. I was missing, like, you know, being out of the bar with some buddies. You know, maybe Fitzroy here in Charlottesville or Millers or something. Just bellied up to a bar, enjoying myself watching a weird college football game with a friend or two. It'll be back. I don't know when it'll be back. but I know it's it's tough time of year for a lot of people right now.

At least we have football. And that's one thing that like, you know, I know right now, college football at least looks like it's probably headed towards a train wreck. It's already there maybe. Kudos to pro football players, man. I know it's not safe. I know it's asking a lot of them. But we all sit there on Sunday and we watch the games.

And this is pro football is going a long way towards making people. people feel sane this fall. I certainly do miss seeing my buddies and being out at bars and that sort of thing and and having a good time. That's that time of year. But we'll get through it, right? We'll get through it. We can sacrifice one holiday season to have fun next year, hopefully.

Yeah, the game tonight, by the way, I had Chiefs Money Line and Chiefs minus three in a teaser. So, whew. And the Chiefs didn't cover Waller all night. I was watching it while we were taping the pod. Witton ended up with the game winner, sort of. I felt terrible for him, but my kids got to eat. Damn, he really deserved that too.

That was a really nice job by him finding that spot where he could kind of come back to the football and making a tight window catch and having the wherewithal to then extend the ball out over the goal line. Again, just in case he wasn't in because he was coming back towards the pylon. Damn, that would have been a great moment for him. There'll be more, though.

This Raiders team's not done. Too easy for Patrick Mahomes. It's funny, I think I said this later. You'll hear it when I'm talking to Stanford Steve. And I'm talking about Aaron Rogers, and I'm saying, I think he's the MVP. I mean, like, who else would it be? Is there somebody else I'm forgetting who else that could be?

And it totally slipped my mind that there's a guy on TV 18 feet away from me in my office there with the sound off in my parade. referee, a game in which I have a financial interest. And this guy is setting the league on fire just like he does any other year and we're forgetting about it. I forgot about it. Talking to Stanford Steve. That's the mind fuck of Patrick Mahomes. Aaron Donald, Patrick Mahomes. So good, it's boring. So good we forget. Now having said that, spoiler alert, I think Aaron Rogers is in the driver's seat. I don't think Russ can get that

month back, but who cares really? You know, does Russ need an MVP to justify or validate his reputation, his career? I think Aaron Rogers deserves it though this year. My goodness. He told me they were going to draft a quarterback that early, give him no new weapons, and he'd light the league on fire like this. I mean, this guy's done more with less. Now, I'm not, MVS is nothing to sneeze at.

Same with Devante Adams. I mean, Devante Adams is one of the best in the game. I think sometimes we overdo it with the weapon thing with Green Bay. I mean, Aaron Jones is tremendous. Lazard has been a nice role player. Tanyaan, however they're saying it. But also, Aaron Rogers lifts everybody's level of play around him. So if you swept that rug out from under those players,

does Devonte Adams become a fringe top 10 receiver? I don't know. I'm not insinuating that, but I'm certainly insinuating that the other players around him are not as successful. So I think Aaron Rogers, in the way he elevates everybody, is my MVP at this point.

But again, Patrick Mahomes so good, it gets boring, we forget it. How could that be? Because the plays he makes are the most spectacular every Sunday, and we're just, it's, we become numb to it. He actually, on that two-minute drive, left too much time on the clock, as did the Raiders, right?

I mean, the Raiders scored, the Raiders should have just pumped the brakes a little bit. But then Pat drives down the field, and it's like seven on seven, dude. It's like seven on seven. And then, you know, for as much trouble as the Raiders had, you know, covering Waller, Kelsey ends up with the big play.

They're so special those two together, especially off schedule. In the third, I think there was an extended play where Mahomes rolls out blindly, you know, spins out and rolls left to his left and just fires a strike to Kelsey, who's supposed to be run the other way. But when they get off schedule, those guys just go freestyle. And that's what makes them so good.

They have to learn Pat Mahomes. And Kelsey's learned Pat Mahomes as well as anybody they have there. And I mean, I can't think of a more iconic duo off schedule in recent, memory than those two. I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody. I forgot about Pat Mahomes in the MVP race earlier. I also heard that Elair was supposed to disappear off my fantasy team. Thank you very much. He did a really nice job tonight. I was told when Lavia Allen Bell was going to get there. He wasn't going to have a role anymore. Two touchdowns tonight for him. You know, early in the season, I was wondering if he was going to get it done in the red zone. And he did tonight. And what is

Andy Reid doing? Is he bored? Would you like underhand shovel passes, tight end to tight end? Like in the red zone, as if defensive linemen don't have enough shit to worry about in the red zone. You're kidding me? So that should do it in the AFC West. You know, the chiefs are looking up at the Steelers still and they have the bucks coming up. And again, the chiefs are not worried about the bus thing. Okay? You didn't hear a peep about it after the game.

The bus thing, not a big deal. They're just glad they got back on track because there are a couple points away there from and it was no sure thing that the Raiders were going to win the division. still be, I believe, a game behind. But getting swept in your division is unsettling. It's unsettling for a team that's supposed to have a vice grip. Of all the divisions coming in the year, we were like, oh yeah, that's the most one team's division.

That's the chief's division, right? That's them. Drew Locke, doesn't really scare me. Chargers drafting a kid with acne who doesn't, who, you know, who's erratic, right? You know, Derek Carr, we know who he is. Oh no, all of a sudden that fucking division is, chiefs are going to have to earn it as time goes. They really are.

As Justin Herbert grows, as, you know, they got a decent defense in Denver, and they're never an easy out, and I don't know what the answer is going to be a quarterback there. But Derek Carr has really bucked some trends this year, and he's been a different guy. They're for real, the Raiders. I mean, they've got the Falcons, the Jets, the Colts,

the Chargers, and the Dolphins left. They got to feel pretty good. resume includes a win over New Orleans and a win over Kansas City. I mean, those are the two, I mean, two of the three probably best teams in the league. They beat them.

Now the bucks, they got drug by, but try to make sense of, you know, the bucks, right? 38 to three to the Saints and when all those, you know, barely beat the Giants, you know, the bucks are all over the place. The Raiders have been pretty consistently good this year.

Those two big wins, They went to the wire with the bills. They won in the rain in a low-scoring game against the Browns in a game that everybody thought was, like all you heard was Derek Carr in the elements outside. Nah. They won that game. They won it ugly, low-scoring.

They won that game. And then they want to shoot out with the Panthers to start the year. So they win in different ways, which is a great thing. They've beaten good teams, and they've gotten wins in a ton of different, ways. So you got the Falcons, the Jets, the Colts, the Chargers, the Dolphins,

and the Broncos, all winnable games for them. And as you look at the playoff roundup right now, I'll go top to bottom. Steelers, Chiefs, the bills at three, they sat around on their by this weekend and watched everybody in the AFCs stink it up. You know, that's great for them. The Colts, huge win.

They got something to them now, the Colts, and I'll talk about that with Steve. Two weeks in a row, Phil, you know, Phil plays well. he's rounding into form 11 balls out they're starting to get Pitman involved

they were a fumble and a pick away from beating Baltimore I know it sounds like if they didn't do that if they didn't do that but the fumble was just it was self-imposed totally self-imposed

nobody you know like just cover the football up and the pick was like quotation marks pick they played those guys tough too so we'll talk about the Colts in a bit but that was a huge huge win for them. Behind the Colts,

breathing down their neck, a few other teams, the AFC's so loaded. Tennessee, who they're going to see real soon here, the Browns, the Raiders, rounded out, and then fighting it out right now, if the playoffs start today, the Browns are in, and the Raiders are in. That's not a typo. Baltimore and Miami are on the outside looking in. That's what I read tonight. Don't scream at me, scream at, whoever wrote the article I read.

It's almost like a typo. Baltimore, the Baltimore Ravens. Outside looking in right now. Baltimore has Pittsburgh, Dallas, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and the Giants, and that could be a good four-and-one. So I do think Baltimore slides in, and I thought today they took a step forward, at least Lamar took a step forward.

We'll get to that in a loss to a good football team. Raiders need to win to keep pace. That's going to be the hard part. Miami has the Jets, the Bengals, with Al Burrough, the Chiefs, the Pats, the Raiders. So, I mean, anybody's game in the AFC, and that is a deep playoff pool.

In the NFC, not as deep, okay? Like, we're talking about Daniel Jones or Alex Smith could be starting a playoff game, or Carson Wentz, if you're going to throw him in that category. And right now, the way he's playing this year, he is in that category. And by Alex Smith, I'm not disparaging him. I'm just saying, who would have thought Alex Smith would be starting a football game again,

let alone possibly playing in a playoff game. So that'd be a great outcome. I don't think it'd be great for the league necessarily because I don't think that team is very good. I think the Giants have been playing well lately. I'll get to the Eagles in a second. Okay, I'm over it. I'm just fucking over it.

But that NFC picture is not as deep. The Saints obviously have kind of taken control. You've got Seattle right behind him, huge win Thursday, Green Bay, Philly and four right now. but that's a placeholder. You know, placeholder.

You heard of a placeholder? It's a placeholder. Tampa, Rams, Arizona, the Bears, still in it. And as I mentioned, that pool of teams

and the NFCs, look out for the Cowboys. Okay? Beat a decent football team today in the Vikings. Don't know what to make of that win, but they certainly look more competent offensively. and if they can figure some things out,

they could be the team to slide in. Another thing to keep an eye on as the year tracks to a close. We might have an 0-16 team and we might have a 16-0 team. Same year. I always tell this story. O-N-16, I always remember Greg Camarillo.

I think it was 2007. It might have been my senior year in college or my freshman, or yeah, it was my senior year in college, 2007. Fourth year is what they called a UVA. I remember watching that in the locker room. They were so close to going on O'N-16.

Greg Camerillo. those heroics kept them from doing that. I think there has been an 0-16 team since, Cowboy Reed, right? Am I forgetting? Yeah, Detroit, yeah, Detroit went 0-16. I feel like they don't make a big enough deal about it when somebody goes 0-16. I feel like we just forget about it after that day. Jets probably going 0-16, although, you know, maybe they steal a win late.

Somebody's asleep at the wheel or resting. Steelers win this week, they got a shot. Carson's situation. Listen, here's the irony. The Browns traded the pick in 2016 and two. And that's where Carson was almost a Cleveland Brown. Of course, the Browns today, I read a lot of Browns fans are taking a victory lap on that one. Okay. Okay. The Browns blew most of their picks out of this thing. Corey Coleman, Sean Coleman, Cody Castler, Ricardo Lewis, Derek Kendred, Jordan Payton, Spencer Drago. Wow. I mean, I'm no Bill Barnwell, but I don't know these guys. and that's coming from somebody who

some people probably never fucking heard of I don't know I'm not trying to be disparaging I'm just saying the eye test here says that the Browns didn't get much there also Carson's first game came against Cleveland

in 2016 and he lit it up things weren't much better around him offensively and that year didn't have a ton of experience so the question is like who is this guy and who's this team okay I'm not just going to to lay it on Carson for the next three and a half, four minutes here and not talk about the team.

It is a comprehensive problem in Philly. But when you're the quarterback and when in 2019 you got broke off, people are going to look at you. Okay? Like, listen, the Miles Sanders fumble was crushing, okay? Because you want to lead against the Browns and the rain. You score there, the game probably looks totally different. Not Carson, right? Okay. The Jeff, free interception, the one he's throwing to Alshan, maybe if Alshan times his jump right, I don't know, not the best throw. Also, it was an awkward play.

I'm not going to necessarily hold those things against him. He also threw a dangerous ball in the end zone, but that ball might have been caught. If there's a bigger body receiver there that's going up and getting in, I don't know, like some quarterbacks make that throw, and receivers come down with it. Okay, there were drops, not him. Guess what though?

When you lose by five points and you score nine points for the other team, you're the reason your team lost. Okay? And the crazy part is in the rain, in the beginning of the game, he was making some nice throws. And then the pick happened. The pick happened. And you're like, again, dude.

And I know that Richard Rogers missed a block, but the little hesitation it took before the ball got there in the flat is all it took for the pick six to happen. and in a game like that it's just like we don't need to get we don't need to do teams any favors that you know they're dogs on the on the road you throw a pick six on the road to start the game off and it wasn't the first possession

but to concede the first points things are generally not going to go well so they just paid him in 2019 you know Doug after the game people are asking you know Doug says he doesn't bench him because it's it would be the wrong move for the football team it would signal something. It would send a clear message that this thing is over.

Well, I think for one, he's acknowledging that Hertz doesn't necessarily look any better, but more importantly, because you've got to understand, they know these guys in and out. At this juncture, maybe Hertz isn't a clear answer. But more importantly,

Jeffrey Lurie loves Carson, right? And I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong, but the owner likes the quarterback. And I think Doug probably likes the quarterback, too. I don't know what Doug thinks if Doug plays a favor with Carson. I don't know if Jim Schwartz likes Carson. I don't know if how he likes Carson at this juncture. I don't talk to these people, okay?

But the owner likes Carson. And right now, if I'm the owner, I'm looking down and I'm saying, what happened to my MVP, right? Because he was on an MVP track in 2017. He hasn't looked the same. If it's just injury, it's just injury. But you also paid him, 2019, a year and a half ago,

you broke him off to be the quarterback of your future. And now you can't get like anything out of him. You see what I'm saying? Like Carson is absolutely to blame for his mistakes. He needs to fix them. He needs to be smarter with the football. He needs to be less stubborn. He knows that, I think, until he makes these mistakes.

It's like something clicks. Be more decisive, you know? but also once a quarterback has shown that and now he shows you this do you think he's just you think he's in debt or something you think he's throwing games like he's trying to win something is going on whether it's schematic

physical or it's just the personnel where it's a train wreck you just paid him a year ago so either acknowledge that you made a huge mistake or that you're not getting everything you could be getting out of this quarterback Now it's raining. He got hit a lot.

He's still throwing to a misfit group, but they've gone three straight games without seven points in the first half. They go two and twelve on third down after going 0 and 9 last week on third down. If I'm the owner, I'm asking why the guy I paid last year is being outplayed by Taysam Hill.

The guy who had an MVP season in 2017, why is he getting outplayed by Taysam Hill? if you just think Carson has suddenly become that bad, I don't know, maybe, or maybe it's that, and it's that they're not dialing things up correctly for him as well. Like, you can't deny watching that game that it looks a little vanilla out there. 21 for 35, 2.35, and two touchdowns, two picks.

The pick six, we talked about, the safety was the moment I got up and was just like, I'm fucking, I'm off this thing. I don't understand it. The safety confused me. Be decisive, you know? But when you go 19 rushes for 96 yards in the first half, then you go six rushes for 10 yards in the second half, and then the Browns turn it on and they run the ball up your ass a little bit.

You got the stiff arm, you got Kareem Hunt going like, I thought he was climbing an imaginary staircase, like fucking Indiana Jones. And Raiders of the Lost Ark, I think it was. Yeah, Temple of Doom was the one where the guy reached into the guy's chest and grab his heart out. That's Temple of Doom. Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Oh, no, last crusade. Last crusade. That's the one with Sean Connery. Yeah, where he walked across the invisible bridge. That's what Kareem Hunt was doing. He was walking across. He was just running on people's backs into the end zone. That play was unbelievable.

It's a shame very few people saw it. Where did Miles Sanders go in the second half? Okay. I'm not saying, hey, Miles Sanders, where'd you go? I'm saying, where did Miles Sanders go? I'm saying this guy is the most explosive player on the field for us

I keep saying us I'm in my Eagles mode right now okay I'll be out of it in a minute or two I know I said four minutes I'm probably at seven where's Miles Sanders in the second half 12 for 66 in the first half touches seven for 12 in the second half I guess Joe Woods made some adjustments

and listen the defense man they allowed only 13 points and I feel for them I really do I've been on defenses where the offense is struggling, but both scores today came right after Eagles scored touchdowns. So, like, part of it, and I know it's really hard, is you got to play like you're getting shut out all the time when you have a bad offense.

I have a PhD in playing defense with bad offenses, and the only time a defense can be successful in that situation is when they think like they're getting shut out and they have to be perfect the entire game, not just when it's, you know, seven nothing browns or zero zero, you know, like last week when it goes 14 to 11 and the Eagles get within striking distance of the Giants, next play or next drive, they let up a touchdown. You know, like, you got to be, you got to be great if you want to overcome this phase. You got to be great. And football is not fair. You don't always get,

you don't always get a great offense. And I do believe that this defense would be more respected and renowned if the offense gave them more complimentary football. That D-Line, especially, and Slay's had a great year. Love D-Slay. But it's fucking tough out there right now. You want to go to the playoffs, you got to play angry, right? Only allowed 13 points.

So I'm not making it about the defense. But, you know, if there's a tip here, it's like morph into the, the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. That's how you're going to win this division. But again, Carson can't make those mistakes. And it's every week. It's every week. Eventually it becomes who you are.

I don't believe that's who he is. I believe that's because he's had years where he was far from this. I mean, his MO has never been throwing the football to the other team. You know, last year people were pissing him because he wasn't aggressive enough. Now he's just like fucking, it's like a Western out there. It's like a bad Western. It's like fucking John Wayne. You know what?

And I know they have good, like they have vets in there saying this, but like, if you played for the Eagles right now, if I was in that locker room, and this is what I would say if I was Doug Peterson, wipe that fucking look off your face and let's go ruin somebody's year. This week, the next week, the week after that, and then we slide in the playoffs and the whole world will be mad because we win a home playoff game

with like five fucking wins on the season. Don't even worry about the Super Bowl. You're not Super Bowl contenders. You busted your ass since June in a pandemic, April, earlier in that, since last year, since the way they lost that game in the playoffs,

put all this fucking work in. Go out and play with emotion, man. and I know the quarterback's got to play well for you to win. But isn't hosting a home playoff game with a chance to piss the entire sports world off? Isn't that worth it? Put in all this work. Don't waste it.

I'm afraid that when I mentioned the Eagles being fourth, that is a placeholder. They won't win the East. They won't. And, you know, listen, sometimes when I'm up here talking about the Eagles, I hate the fact that I have to talk about like old friends, friends are like, it's not reflective of all the guys.

It's some of the parts. It's just not working right now. And I hate criticizing a coach that I like as much as Doug Peterson and a quarterback that I like as much as Carson Wentz, but I got to keep it, I got to keep it a buck, man. I got to keep it a buck. And the Eagles don't look like even a playoff team.

And I've seen, listen, I've mentioned this before, the Beast Quake year, we were the runner up. They don't even look like a seven and a nine type playoff team, like one of those ones in a blue moon playoff teams. And that sucks, dude. It sucks. If you look at it, and this is why I'm worried about it, if the schedule was easier, I'd think they're probably going to slide in

because they'll eventually wake up. And again, the rain is not a great place to get your struggling quarterback off the mat. I thought he had something to build on last week, and it just goes to the shitter this week. We'll see what happened next week. And Seattle will be a good game to get, you know, get your feet back under you,

but after that it's Green Bay, New Orleans, Arizona. I think they match up well against Seattle, actually offensively. I worry about D.K. Metcalfe going for 300 yards. Green Bay, they beat them last year. Believe it or not.

New Orleans, who knows? But I'm not going to sell hope here. I'm like, it just was a really gross loss. Cowboys are trending up. They could win the division. I mentioned that earlier. Giants as well are trending up.

Washington, they're just, I like what they're doing there, but they're a little bit off. You know who's happy, quietly, Baker Mayfield, for him not to star in a really ugly 22 to 17 football game.

If you were to tell me there was going to be a quarterback getting skewered in Cleveland a November afternoon this year in the rain after a low-scoring ugly football game. I'd be like, that's Baker Mayfield. That's for sure how it's going to be. Nope, it's Carson Wentz. And Baker Mayfield's seven and three. It's 1994 in that motherfucker. It's dumb and dumber. It's the dumb and dumber era for the Cleveland Browns. It's crazy. And we're not

even making a big deal about it because we kind of already been like, well, we don't really like the Browns that much. We don't like the way they win. And I agree sometimes, but they should be commended. And he made all the throws he had to make today when he was rolling to his left. When they got him out rolling to his left, every time I knew somebody was going to fall down, somebody was going to get beat, like, just move the pocket. They get the jags next. They could, they already passed the Ravens. They could widen that gap. Without further ado, let's get to Stanford Steve and then stick around for making. Tis the season for giving and to celebrate the start of the most joyous time a year, Draft Kings, America's top-rated sportsbook app is giving all players the

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and first bet match each up to $500 deposit bonus requires 25 times play-through. Restrictions apply see draftkings.com slash sportsbook for details. Gambling problem call 1,800 Gambling or in Indiana, 1,8009 with it. Steve, are you as exhausted as I am after watching those games today? I'm just like Zapp. dude. I'm totally zapped.

Chris, I'll tell you, I'm a big college football guy. You know, noon to, I mean, last night, I looked at the, I looked at the clock. It was 2.15 in the morning. And the Boise Hawaii game wasn't even in the fourth quarter. And I'm like, I got to, I got to shut it down here. Like, I got to go to bed. As much as I want to stay up and watch this. And of course, watched Hawaii come in the back door, woke up, saw that score.

I went to bed. It was 33 to 9. game ended 40-32 just to backdoor late-night cover special if you took the dog in the gambler's favorite Hawaii game. But I get to Sunday and it's like I'm looking at the one o'clock slate and I'm like, I don't, there isn't much here. Obviously you had Ravens Titans. That was the headliner with, you know, Romo calling that game. But then I'm looking at, I looked at the clock. It was 315 today.

two teams in the whole slate of one o'clock games had 21 points yeah it was ugly it was it was you had texted me about it's like this is just an awful early game slate the dolphins game which you called this week you know you didn't outright say it but you said hey they're due a law so your dolphins um yeah you're that's kind of become your thing it's like telling me what's going on with the dolphins because you love you love to it but you told me this week, they were due for a loss. And, you know, it's Denver. It's a different deal.

Denver, I mean, you know it. You've talked about it. How hard of a place that is to play, the altitude. And the thing was, Miami does exactly what you need on the road in a place like that where you want to jumpstart the game. They get a pick. They turn into seven points. They're up seven nothing, just like that. I thought Drew Locke played really well.

But the word I used when I texted you is just, too, it was just getting swarmed. every single possible way. He was really forced to step him in the pocket. You could tell he's really still hesitant and doesn't really want to run the ball and take any licks. And I thought Denver just did a great job. Listen, Vic Fangios,

I know he's not a great head coach with game management and stuff, but man, that dude could coach some defense. He did it for Stanford with Harbaugh. So I've been a scheme-wise, you know, Vic Fangio's at top. I'm just glad he got the opportunity. But he could coach up some defense, boy. And you saw that today.

Flores says, you know, it was a football decision to go to Fitzmaigic. And then I, you know, they showed the replay of the ankle. I could see where Tua, you know, might not have been 100% there. But, you know, Flores is going with the football decision. And now he still says Tua is their guy. So I thought it was interesting. You really don't see that. But good for Flores.

Like, hey, you know what? We need to change up. We're down seven. Let's go to our vet. And I don't know. It just felt like the most Fitzpatrick thing in the world that drive the ball down the field. And then that guy throws a pick in the end. That's what I think of when I think of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

That's the problem. It was one of those things when Van Hinkle or what it was, Van Winkle, Van Winkle, I don't know whoever it was to force that fumble. I didn't even know they had another van besides Van. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Forty-three. Force the fumble on the one-yard line. And by the way, I was like, what the fuck are they putting their hands up about,

like touchdown? It was like a, they were good yard to have four. Oh, yeah, they ruled it a touchdown. I couldn't believe it. so so it was it was one of those things where I was like this is your this is your vintage well there's I don't know if I've ever seen Fitsy go 99 yards with the game on the line but this would have been the craziest win of the day right yeah and we just got we came up just short of it I as far as two is concerned if there's ever a time to establish the fact that you will make a reliever call

like kind of like in baseball and not everybody does this. This is a very rare thing to do as a head coach. I don't hate it. If you've established that this is a relative norm and that like I'm just going with the hot hand or you're having a bad day. I'm just going to sit you. You know, Tua in this situation is coming off of three weeks where, you know, a week ago he was quoted as saying, I don't know football would be this easy. Things have been going well for Tua. So this isn't like this isn't a back-breaking ego move. Like, you just bench the guy that you put in. So nobody's worried about Fitsy being the long-term option. I don't hate this, this kind of like, we're going with the hot hand. You're not having a great day. No, and I'll tell you what, no matter what Flores

does, you could tell that team's behind it. Oh, yeah, it's the total, total trust of that lack of lack of him. Like, I thought he handled it great. Like, does it, makes the decision post-game press conference, two is still our guy. No questions. That team gets on their flight back to Miami. They know what the deal is. They know what they have to get after in the next couple weeks. But I just think it's great, great direction from Flores and a

really valid gamble, I would call it. It was because it gave them some life and they came up to his short. And you're trying to win, you're trying to win a division. I don't know if a lot of us knew that in September, but they are trying to win a division and B-Flow

should be commended for what seems like he makes the right moves at every turn. So, you know, as you predicted, probably a tougher day than people expected up there in Denver. But let's talk about another coach is getting the most out of a quarterback here. Sean Payton is a genius, is he not? I mean, I don't know if he's a genius today, but I'm worried about his love for Tassum Hill, the 30-year-old with like 11 completions coming into today long term. I think he's a bit respectfully because I think he's one of the best of all time offensively.

But we all have soft spots. we all have blind spots. Do you think that this is a sustainable deal for them? No, no way. They cannot win a playoff game with Tason Miller quarterback. So what's the play?

I don't know. It's crazy. A couple of Scott, Van Pelt and I were talking about this today, like, to me, the problem is, is you want, you know, James to, they got him in that role that they used Teddy Bridgewater for last year.

And to me, I think it just shows how immature James might be. Yeah. You know, like if he can't come in and do that and, and get their trust in a situation which couldn't be more, you know,

with his name on it. Yeah. And, you know, and Payton decides to go this route. I, that, to me, it tells me that James still can't get his trust.

And I just, you know, the offense was totally different. None, zero. I mean, they talked about Breeze, not being able to throw the ball.

on a field. Taysam Hill can't throw a ball down a field. They didn't even have like... How about that punt? They didn't even have like the little dump offs to Camara that were nice like six, seven yard games. Listen, listen. And everything, everything changed. And again, I've been one of the biggest like, come on with this Taysam Hill stuff. I respect the guy as a football player. Okay, as a football player, guys are a fucking football player. But we can do this thing like

where if I don't think you're a quarterback, I'm like disrespecting you and your family somehow. Like, like, I just don't think he's 30 plus years old. You see the limitations in the passing offense a little bit. And, you know, I think a lot of people are doing the victory lap thing today, including my man Brady Pupinga, who had the Lamar tweet. He said, Lamar is a poor man's Tassum. You know, people are doing a victory lap because, you know, he's 18 to 23 for whatever,

whatever. Like, that's how good Sean Payton is, in my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from Tassum as a football player. but to scheme that up and this was no short order today because the Falcons yes they're bad but they've been playing better and last year you saw what happened and meeting two between those teams and the Falcons were really bad last year and you had Drew Breed and you still lost

them. This is hate week. It's a college game. So, you know, hats off to Sean for scheming it up. I thought, and we talked about this in the gambling show, I had the Falcons plus four and a half and I felt great about it. I felt less good about it when Taysen was in as the starter. Because I knew that in, in an ugly muck it up. Yeah, in, you know, just one Sunday, that makes it harder on the Falcons. And maybe this is a one Sunday thing and we're buying time for James.

But what that says to me is what you took from it is that Sean knows something behind the scenes. Because Sean sees what we see. He might really have a man crush on Tason, but he has to know he's not a long-term option at quarterback. He has to know that. Agreed. So it must be really, you know, like he must really be disenchanted with, you know, the way James has handled something. I don't know behind the scenes. I don't know if he was the fact that he ate at W last week or he was just scared of the Falcons and wanted to muck it up, like you said.

And maybe next week, James will be taking snaps with the ones. Yeah, I mean, listen, I thought he had exactly what he wanted because, I mean, you played defense. How much do you think that Atlanta defensive staff was wigging out this week with the thought of Wildcat, Taysam in that quarterback, James. Like, they must have been losing their minds. I can't imagine how much shit, different shit the Falcons had in defensively this week. And then Friday they get to news that Taysam's going to be the quarterback. That's the point. And that's the point.

And that's why I said, like, if it weren't for the fact that I know that Sean Payton has such a love for Taysom, Hill. And he could be right. He could be wrong. We'll find out. A lot of us think he's wrong. But again, I'm a guy in a fucking comfortable chair doing a podcast and he's Sean Peyton. You know, like, but if I didn't know about his love for Taysam Hill, I would think that he was throwing up a smokescreen on Friday morning to just harpoon that Friday practice. Because you know, and when I said this on Twitter, people were like, why would he do that? I'm like, you do not know. it's like a fire drill when all of a sudden a wildcat type quarterback or a quarterback that changes the game plan top to bottom gets announced on a Friday Friday practice red zone is two

minutes all the the minutia imagine how many walkthroughs they had added on they had so many walkthroughs for no fucking reason for no reason and listen you already had all the taste and plays like you know how many times he watches 11 snaps as a quarterback I know you got to go like we'll see what we're going to pull from here we're going to pull from here but it's all the time you're this time that you're focusing on Taysom Hill and not winning the game in all the other phases, which is important. He's the quarterback, but it takes time away from doing your normal

things on the weekend. So I thought it was a smokescreen. I would have done that anyways, even if I didn't intend on starting, I always said he's our starting quarterback and then trot him out there for the first play, run a gadget, and get James in there. That could be what happens next week. Chris, all I know is

what I thought about the situation, I picked up James to start in fantasy this week and had an emergency go get Kirk Cousins on Friday. Oh, boy. I do want to give love to the Saints defense because that's why they really won. That's why they won the game. No, no doubt. It gave Tay some time to get into the thing. You saw early he was real shaky and then he found his way with some crossers and short dump-offs and through that punt that I mentioned that Sanders tracked back and caught, I believe it was Sanders. And that was a great play. But the Saints defense has given up 25 points in one touchdown the last

three weeks. They sacked Maddie Ice eight times. You had three by Cam. And I think I saw two by my man, Trey Hendrickson. So that was a big game for them on defense. Kwan made a couple plays. It looks like they're rounding in the form

on that side of the football and that's big because they're going to need to. Great coverage. A lot of those sacks were covered sacks. What else did you watch today? What do you think of Ravens? I think they are in a lot of trouble, but they've been in trouble for months now. What do you think about the Ravens after this loss.

I think it really shows, and Tennessee started this trend, and I think you've seen it a lot against Baltimore. They just attack style, like nobody fears them anymore. I just, and Tennessee is just the perfect model to come in there. Where on you with Henry?

You know, on the other side, Lamar, only 6.4 yards for attempt again. Henry gets 96 of his 133 after half time. Like that's the most Derek Henry shit you're ever going to see. And I don't like, I look at,

you know, like Hollywood Brown. Like where do these guys go during the games? Or is he just not like separating or, you know, like I think he had like zero targets in the first half. You know, no catches.

I just, I don't know. Something's missing. I know it's obviously, you know, Stanley to tackles out. But I think when it comes down to it, teams aren't on their heels.

anymore and they're there they're taking it to Baltimore knowing if they get ahead you got them one dimensional and let's keep the ball away from Lamarway I mean like you said Tennessee had the perfect thing they showed last year and Henry's been absolutely incredible I thought the Tennessee defense actually played pretty well today and when Tennessee needed to make plays Cory Davis and those guys made plays with Tanna Hills so I thought it was more about Tennessee executing than it was Baltimore, but it just, you know, everyone's going to point to that Patriots game last week.

Today, Baltimore has the lead and blows it. And it's just, you know, they're losing games not the same way all the time. They're losing games different ways, which is also not what you want to do around this time of year. Yeah, listen, I mean, they're in,

they're in jeopardy of maybe getting, I don't know how the math works here, but Cleveland could pass them in the division. I mean, like, here's what they get for things. Thanksgiving, they get the Steelers and they're playing worse than they did when they were coming into the Pittsburgh game. They're wounded right now. So like, you know, they're not just, they don't just have the injuries we mentioned, but it's one of those things where you're the big bad bully and then you get punched in the mouth and the whole class sees it. It's not just like, you know, like, and so here's what happens. Like a real bully, like the Titans, because the Titans to me are, there are. scrappy fucking team. This is the team that the

Ravens, I mean, it's twice in a calendar year now, which seems like six years ago they lost to them in the playoffs. But I mean, the Browns are ahead of the Ravens now. They're 7 and 3. Yeah, they're 7 and 3. So Baker Mayfield, who's

for once not the star of a Sunday when it comes to an ugly, low-scoring game. I mean, Carson, here, step to the front and let me get in the, let me just be seven and three quietly and have my team number two in the AFC North. Listen, I think

the biggest metaphor for the entire thing with the Ravens was the Titans on their logo. Yeah, what do you, that's the one thing about these darn masks, man. You can't see anything coaches are saying to each other. Well, listen. We've had some epic meetings at midfield between coaches in college and pro.

And we can't get one, one, where to, where to like to, like, I know there's bad things about people losing jobs, but like mouth readers must be really out of mouth readers are, yeah, mouth readers, like, I'm,

like they're not getting the same calls to come on podcasts on Monday mornings. I would love to hear, I would love, love, love to hear what exactly was said at midfield because I know Malcolm Butler. He never shuts up. He's hilarious.

Mike Vrable, I don't know him, but I feel like I know him. You know what I mean? I think stomping on their logo or celebrating on their logo or whatever they're doing or breaking it down on their logo. First off, just fucking win. If you have a problem with it, go win. That's what I want to say.

That's my whole thing. But the action is still balzy because you cannot always bank on everybody being 100% motivated on a Sunday. There are ebbs and flows and motivation and that sort of thing. And there are different maturity levels in an NFL locker room. Everybody should be going 100% no matter what. But when you piss a certain, you know, you piss certain players off. if you might get more out of them. You're just, when you do that,

you're saying, I'm not afraid of you at all. And so that was the metaphor for me was, it played perfectly into the Titans thing. It's like a head game. It's like a head game. We were here last year. Yeah.

We weren't supposed to win. And guess what we did? We ended your season. And guess what we're here back to do again today. And we're not even like, oh, you're mad? Oh, oh, you're mad.

Oh, it's a revenge game for you. Let me go stomp on the 50 yard line. Okay. Oh, so now you're really mad. All right. So if you can't beat us today, Revenge Game, and we did that thing on the logo, then, you know, fuck it. I guess we really do own you. And that's the harsh reality because it's another AFC elite. Yes. That's beating you this year. And we've talked about this. The Titans were the bully. The opening drive, they go up. You could tell how imperative it was for them right off the bat. They get the, and AJ didn't get touches until the third quarter. And there was that sequence in the third quarter where him and Corey Davis got going at the same time. You're like, okay. Okay, they're rolling. Yeah. They get the huge PI early on, gets a rolling, they get the touchdown.

They're up 7-0. And from there, you're kind of like, okay, you know how important it was for them to come out with a really good script and get it going early and get on the board. But then right after that, Chris, it's 7-0 and it's 7-6, a Tucker 30-yard field goal and a 27-yard field goal. Because they're bad in the road zone. They're bad in the red zone right now. You can't be, you got to improve there. I really want to see these two teams play again. I already saw a line for Thursday night and that line smells.

Be careful. Pittsburgh minus three. That line smells really bad. Be careful. I know you want to jump on Pittsburgh right now. Like there's no tomorrow. Just be careful. I won't.

I'm not going to do it. Just giving you a warning. Also quietest overtime game winning touchdown of all time. Like the noise. there was no noise, right? And it was just so eerie to me. It was just like... You're totally right.

And with that, you're kind of like, damn, are the Ravens? Like, they're not a thing right now. I'm not saying they're done, but they're damn sure not a thing right now. And your point is correct. They went from being the hunters to the hunted. And I kind of wonder if the whole time they were the hunters, it was a ruse. You know, there's also a saying, too, you know, every year, every team is different every year. and like I said

I thought since all year there's been something missing from them and then obviously when Stanley went out that was that was huge I did want Henry is the first player to record multiple overtime rushing touchdowns in a single season

that's amazing that's amazing walk off dude yeah and Ladanian Talinson's the only other guy to have him in his career multiple it's amazing he's tracking to be really special and if he can have a Hall of Fame career that would mean that it continues

and I will be absolutely blown away by the load he can carry and the physicality with which he runs. I mean, like, if he can play 10 years and have 75% of the pace he's on right now, he's going to Ken and it's going to be an amazing feat that physically this guy could hold up.

He's a bad man. There's no doubt about that. Unbelievable. And, you know, Tennessee showed a lot of fight. So, I mean, we wrote about, I think some people maybe wrote it off. On top of it, too, like Lamar is down three late.

They get the field go to tie and I'm going to overtime. Like, so they're doing things. They're executing in pressure situations. It's just putting together the whole thing. Lamar made some really good throws today. The throw to Andrews was a great throw. There were a few others. And like-

And also, too, at the end of regulation, there's a part there where I think they're going to score a touchdown. Yeah. You know, I, there's a thought there that they were going to do it. So it's quite possible. that Lamar's seat kind of cooled a little bit, but the Raven's seat got hotter and Greg Roman's seat got hotter

because what I'm seeing is a guy that made some of the throws today that he was being asked to make, and you had drops and that sort of thing. But again, AJ Brown's touchdown, we can't not mention that. That guy's a fucking alien. Listen, I asked somebody today. Am I nuts to say I would take AJ Brown

over D.K. McHuff? I'd probably still take D.K. But I'm not going to call you a total idiot or anything. I take AJ. That's me. Gosh, this crop of young receivers, they all play like defensive players. AJ Proud, man. Who are the best receivers in the league?

Because we did this last week. I think there's been a major culture shift in the way receivers kind of stereotypically act. D.K. Maccalf is a fucking free safety. Right? Who else? AJ Brown's a D.N. AJ Brown's a D.N. And D. Hop is like a badass corner mentality guy.

Like none of them act like these. None of these receivers in this young crop act like. I even like, I like Robbie Anderson. He just kind of strikes me as being a little off his rocker. I like that. But he's not a diva. He's just off his fucking rocker.

Like I don't know what happened if, you know, kids didn't watch like any given Sunday. this generation of kids or you know there was no like receivers pretty obviously now when you watch the NFL too like that's the position people want to be

wide receiver I know but it's just not coming with the diva thing right now I didn't grow up like that yeah maybe that was a 90s 2000s thing and we're getting out of it but I don't know receivers I'm sure were always divas they just didn't have cameras around them in the 70s and 80s

people were just tougher anyway Packers Colts was this was this was probably this has got a place in the game of the year, at least category when it comes to just craziness and swings. That was fun. It was really fun.

I thought the idea of seeing Rogers, because the whole first half, I'm like, wow, I mean, the Colts I thought played pretty well, and then they're down double digits at halftime. I think it's a third time Rogers has blown a double-digit lead. I shouldn't say Rogers, but the Packers with Rogers, quarterback. Rivers made some throws when he needed to. The Colts defense made plays when they needed to.

They just got a lot of ball hawking guys that are really fun to watch. You know, this is our game we disagreed on. You're on a Colts. I was on the Packers and you win. First head to head matchup. But after I've been on the Colts, you know, watching them a ton this year. And now for not having a good win all season, they got a road division win last week. against Tennessee where they go on a 24-0 run to end the game, and then they get a big win against Aaron Rogers and the Packers here. So it pretty, what I say? The resume has some more, has validity.

Yeah, it has a lot of validity now. And they show they have the goods. I just want to see the Colts at full strength, and I just feel like they never are. You know, Jack Doyle, my man just catches touchdowns, not stop. Got one again today. The running back situation seems, You know, a little bit weird, but when that D is bringing it, man,

they got guys that are just all over the field. Listen, what I was the most impressed about today was not the win, but the way they won this game. You know, if you had told me they were going to score in the 30s, the Packers were, I'd have said no chance they win this game. Not that I respect the Packers defense tremendously, but just the way Phil played. And I've been wrong about Phil, okay?

Even within the last week, somebody asked me, and I did pick the Colts to win the division. but I did the thing where I jumped off the bandwagon. And I think understandably when you lay an egg against Cleveland and you lose to Jacksonville, you're like, you're just not showing me much. And I think highly under the Titans. But listen, the Pittman thing, I mean, one of the biggest plays of the game, I mean, in general, it was obviously a touchdown that tied it up at seven.

But the Pittman touchdown was one that gave that group a lot of confidence because it could have gotten early, ugly there. You know, and this game had so many ebbs and flow. one of the biggest plays also the Rivers made was he hit Pascal in that crosser before the half again negated by Aaron Rogers being a total robot and driving the length and just and getting points before the half but these were like big uplifting kind of like okay our offense can do it plays and the corner route to TY on the sideline too though that set up that touchdown old off back foot slingshot throw just yeah just rivers I mean really good to see you. him get a win though because I mean it's you get to that point of season you're paying that guy that money you got him for one reason to win games

like this and you know what you got you won two in a row now they got to be feeling as good as they have been all year so uh and I'll tell you what I mean it's it feels like um you know LaFloor is a little too young now but like it's really not a heart there's not you can't find a bad word about Frank Reich

no Frank's the best yeah Frank's the best we're talking about doing a you know a paternal coach index soon like a power rankings of coaches that you'd be okay with being your dad Frank's like up there near number one with Ron Rivera I mean like Frank is the genuine awesome guy like the word mensch gets thrown around

I mean he's that type of dude I mean so players he's also got that like cockiness of having to be the backup quarterback which you need in the belief of like you know what I always got this like put me in I'm ready one one thing goes bad I'm ready and it seems play like that it's just cool to see

I'm glad he got that shot I am too and I can't forget to mention before we we get out of here that the rivers throw where he got absolutely tattooed by Kenny Clark and deliver that strike to Pascal is like he's literally crawling

to get up yeah you might not think the world of Philip Rivers as a football play at this juncture. I still think if Pittman comes along here and I told you I was wrong about him a week ago, one of the things I was saying was it's not 2012 for him physically, period.

But he also doesn't have weapons. If Pittman comes, gets going, like they have a shot here to win a playoff game. I don't know what happens from there, but they're going to be a competitive football team with that defense. I could easily see them

doing what Tennessee did last year. Easily. Making a little like, I mean, they just have the formal pieces. I love what they do with the running backs in the throwing game. I love, you know, they're split out. They come out of the backfield. Their lineup is a wing. They're in the slot.

Just a great job to create mismatch. It's just a great job by Frank. If you watched our Super Bowl in 2017, you remember Corey Clement? Absolutely. Back in the end zone. I mean, like, you know, we got everybody involved, and I think Frank does a great job of that. And I think he's missed in Philly, too. I didn't want to bring it up before.

No, he's definitely missed. But yeah, I mean, like, big win for them and to win the way they won, it sets them up nicely, and they're going to see Tennessee again in what feels like the second game in 10 days. But you got to feel like that's going to be another slug fest. And if Tennessee doesn't trick it off in special teams is going to be a great game. A lot of turnovers in this one. It was ugly. I'm trying to make this all about the Colts because there's nothing about Aaron Rogers right now that I can say negative.

he threw one bad ball Rossine made a great play baited him I thought it might get ugly like the Tampa game you know because it kind of was following that same trajectory but it didn't and he is the fucking MVP in my book

unless he shows me otherwise I mean he's rolling so you're on the record yeah he he's I'd say he's who else could it be at this point I mean I still put I still have Russ up there

yeah no Russ's month kind of Russ's month put him behind a little bit in my opinion. So all things consider- It was pretty good Thursday night when he needed to be. Yeah, pretty good Thursday night and I expect to see more of that from him, but I think he fell behind a little bit if Rogers doesn't falter.

You've got to go upstairs and do some sports center, so I'm going to let you go. All right, brother. It was great talking to you, man, and we'll see you next Sunday night. Absolutely. Virginia, big favor this week. Don't get caught watching the paint try.

Okay, buddy. I'm on it. All right, Making Gunner joins us. from a sunroom. We could probably get a sponsorship here. I don't know what it's going to be, but if you're going to do this from the sunroom every Sunday night, we could probably get a sunroom sponsorship of some sort, maybe a window proprietor.

Sunroom sponsorship of some sort. I think solar panels is a way to go, Chris. Maybe a solar panel sponsorship. So if anybody in that business is listening, let's go best plane ride here. Right off the bat, I'll give you the first one. Dallas Cowboys for me. They last won a game on October the 11th.

They erased third and fourth quarter deficits. The game winning drive, 11 plays 61 yards and two minutes, 23 seconds. Andy Dalton to Dalton Schultz. Oh, Dalton, Dalton, for the game winner. That's the last name being the same as the first name. Zeke went for over 100. Amari Cooper and C.D.'s lambs were both involved. Van Dresch and Jalen Smith were flying around.

And Cousins goes 314, 3 tuds, zero picks, Dalvin's Dalvin, 115, and you still beat a hot Minnesota team on the road in the great U.S. Bank Stadium. And now you got three wins in the NFC East, which means you're in it going into week 12, which is a wild and crazy thing. Last time the Cowboys won, it was the NBA Finals. Yeah, that's probably, that's most certainly a first.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's for sure a first. I just did the head math. I'm going to go best plane ride. Like, the chalky one would be Tennessee, okay? Early game, short flight, Rable flights are probably really fun. If I had to rank like my forecasting of flights that would be, enjoyable. Rebels will be up there. I think there's a lot of Crown Royal on that flight.

He seems like a Crown Royal guy. Actually, he seems like a tequila guy to me. I don't know where the cat's from. Akron, Ohio. Beer. Just look at him. No, but if he's drinking liquor, he's definitely drinking tequila. He's definitely a tequila guy. I thought Crown, probably not true. He's upbeat. Tequila. You know, like, that's the party. That's like the partying 40-something-year-old drink. Yeah, I know it's off the board, but I'm sticking with light beer. Yeah, I'm sure he does some mixing.

I don't think of Mike Vrable is the type of guy that's on dark liquor tonight. I can't go light liquor. Like, I think whatever's thrown his way, he's downing it. Yeah. I respect that. I've always thought that rule was stupid,

but the best plane ride this week. The New York Jets, hear me out. I don't know what the deficit was at the half, but it was a lot. The chargers are up. And the Jets made it. a tight ball game late. I think 3428. Is that right, making? 3428. They were within a score of winning

a pro football game. God, that was close. And it had to be nerve-wracking upstairs in Jetsland. It's pretty interesting being Sam Darno right now, because the market's going to look interesting this offseason. There's a few people that might be on the move. There's obviously the draft next year, but I got to believe at the end of every Sunday, and this is totally human thing to do. He's reevaluating his stuff. He's reevaluating how it's going to go for him this offseason. He's looking around the league. Okay, Carson Wentz didn't play well today. Damn, and I need this guy to play well. I know that he's basically untradable because of his number,

but like I don't want to get hopscotched or not hopscotch leapfrogged, right? That would be the right child game. You know, take your chair and musical chairs. Yeah, leapfrog, you hop over the other kid. Yeah, exactly. Is that what you doing? leapfrog? That's right. Sam Donald doesn't want to get leapfrog. So I'm thinking on the plane ride home, he's probably looking around and seeing how every quarterback played and how each team played. I mean, like, he's looking and he's seeing Philip Rivers play pretty well. Does Philip Rivers want to play another couple years? Damn, I was eyeing up indie. I mean, like, these are the things that are going into his mind. And if anybody ever criticized him for for being mentally elsewhere, if they saw

his like, his browsing history looking on Zillow or checking the stats down in Indianapolis, they can fuck off because, I mean, you're effectively, if you're watching the Jets play, you know where they're going with this thing. You know where they're going with this thing. And quarterback should be able to scan the field, so to speak, because teams are, they're watching college ball. Worst playing, oh, go ahead.

Is there any hall you could possibly imagine that would get you to pass on Trevor Lawrence thinking that maybe Sam still has the stuff? No, no, because if Sam has the stuff, you don't have the right situation and get it out of him. He might be a, you got to dig deep a little bit. He's got to have, you know, there's very few players that can thrive in any situation.

The bottom line. So you've already seen that, okay, Sam Darnold isn't the second coming of our Lord and Savior. He can't win despite the Jets cratered roster. and Adam Gase, move on, see if somebody else can't. And probably what's going to happen is that next person is going to have a better situation altogether because Joe will still be there, but they'll have a new coach. I think you just start over.

I mean, there's no doubt in my mind. I mean, Sam Darno could come back and throw for 300 yards a game the rest of the season. Not happening. I'm still drafting Trevor Lawrence. Worst plane ride. The Detroit Lions, they had a shot to get to 500 and begin. become a player in the NFC playoff race. Instead, they get shut out by PJ Walker.

And I've noticed you football players find a way to bitch and moan constantly about how much it hurts to play football. And while the Lions got to play essentially in a matter of hours here on Thanksgiving Day 1230 p.m. against the Houston Texans. Golly, that seems soon. Yeah, that's really soon. And so I hear y'all get banged up and have to go to treatment and all that other nonsense.

So you could have been feeling really good about things, especially with a hot and cold Texans team coming to town. But instead you're four and six. And you got shut out. You didn't just lose. You got shut out. The lines, I don't get them. You leave them for dead three, four times in the course of a season, and they show you just enough to be competitive,

and then they do things like this. I really don't get it. I truly feel sorry for Lions fans. They could have been 5 and 5 with Home Houston, away Chicago, home green bay. So bears are bad, but okay. Packers are good, but those are two division teams. I mean, if you have the stuff, you have a path to get atop that division. but Peterson 7 for 18,

Kerry on Johnson, 6 for 17. I mean, that's just a nauseating flight home for that, for that O line group, not to mention the dudes running behind them. That's my worst flight.

That's a good worst flight. Listen, give me the Thanksgiving games real quick. How bad are they? You mentioned the Lions play the Texans, and then I know we have Washington football team playing somebody, right? Yeah, we're going to start with Texans at Lions, 1230 in the East.

Then we go Washington football team at Dallas Cowboys, 430 in the East. I'm drinking. It's just like, what do you drink on Thanksgiving with those games? Water. For Loco? Nah, hydration. Then we cap it with a ballgame, Baltimore Ravens at Pittsburgh Steelers. That's going to be fun, although that's losing its luster just a tad bit by the minute.

I'm going to go worse plane rides, obviously, to me, Cincinnati. Okay, Zach Taylor was asked about the team's energy after the game if it shifted after the injury and he, in a word just said no, which I thought was probably the wrong answer. But I also know that his energy is probably pretty zapped and maybe he doesn't want to answer questions like that after the game. But it clearly was the case and they were playing competitive football game. Joe was Joe from what I saw.

and you know as soon as he got hurt Washington kind of ran away with it now you've you got a team that went from having all this hope even though it's not for this year even though a lot of those guys aren't going to be there next year because when you're on a bad team

there's a ton of roster turnover you lull players in this sense of like we got hope we got the second coming here we got Joe Burrow it's exciting we can win any game and you're playing the spoiler all the time now it's just going to be straight dysfunction as we enter late November into December. And that's when things can compound as a team

and you can landslide a little bit because you lose that hope. And the roster's not very good anyways. I mean, he was covering up for so much. We talk about rookie of the year and whatnot. I still think that, you know, had Joe continued that pace and set certain records, I would have given it to Herbert

because it just the eye test for me was more impressive. But Joe covered up for a lot there. And I think that's going to be relevant in a moment. You know, Sam Bradford didn't have the vibe that Burrow had early on, but he was, I think he was offensive rookie of the year. Strong start under Josh McDaniels. And then towards ACL a couple years in. And it was depressing, man. It was just depressing to think like you've got this guy who's just getting assaulted in the backfield.

And obviously he's not Joe necessarily early in his career. just been, he's just his folk hero already. But when a guy doesn't have a chance, it begs the question, why draft the guy if you can't protect him? You know, or if you're not willing to protect him. I mean, we're talking about ACL, MCL, possibly, and if it's both, you got to see what, what's going on with the cartilage and that sort of thing, but it's going to be a long road for him.

And it's probably going to be something that, you know, depending on the severity, he could feel for a while. And that's unfair. I mean, it's just, like, football is not fair in general, but with all, all these expectations you're putting on a kid at least protect him and at least invest in your offensive line. And you don't even need to invest from a personnel standpoint. Just do things to mitigate the risk, you know,

get the ball out quick, seven-man protect, chip out, that sort of thing. And I don't think they've done a good enough job of doing that, in my opinion. And really, the way it went down was if you saw the play, and luckily I didn't see it in any detail. I saw it from like the wide. Jonathan Allen is bull rush in the guard and Montez Sweat has a nice rush on the edge and his Montez Sweat comes around the corner.

He hits the back of Joe Burrow high and and Allen goes low. And that's what it appears to be. It's a classic high-low, which is so dangerous. I know he's going to be fine. He'll be back. I mean, there's a guy on the other side quarterbacking a football team, by the way, and it's his first win since his injury,

Alex Smith. if you're going to suffer a gruesome injury like that, and obviously you don't bank on all the surgeries Alex had and all that. But it's interesting that Alex Smith was on the other sideline. You know, it's almost this, it's a sick twist of irony. And another thing that was crazy there is you've got McLaurin, you've got Haskins, you have Chase Young, all his Ohio State buddies there.

And, you know, we talked about recent, When a kid or a player gets hurt, you can really tell him. We was talking about the Whitworth thing. You can tell how much a guy's respected by how people rally around him and he's getting carted off. Like Joe Burrow had a Hall of Fame aura

around that cart and he's only a first year guy. So there's a ton of respect for this kid. He was surrounded by some of his buddies. I don't know if that makes it better or worse. It probably made it better for him. That picture of him and Chase Young speaks volumes of how like those guys are removed from being teed teammates by a few years. They were

one and two in the draft and played for different major college football teams at the end of their career, but they're still brothers on the field. And so golly, dude, tough, tough to see an old teammate like that go down. But maybe for Joe, it was nice to have, you know, a guy,

a few guys that cared about him a great deal, kind of swarming him on the cart. He's been hit 72 times over nine games. And like I said, they haven't done enough to mitigate that. And here's what the going to do in April make they're going to go get the kid from Oregon they have to. They have to.

Deep draft from what I understand from an offensive line standpoint, but you got your pick. You got to invest in Joe Burrow. And if you remember the last time there was a first pick that had an injury like this, it was the clowny microfracture just four games in his rookie year. And he's playing a position where I didn't think he'd ever get back to being a competitive football player at the level he's been. there's a lot of hope for Joe Burrow to get right back where he was this year and better, but it just sucks. And it sucks late in the year because this threatens like preseason and it threatens the summer. You know what I mean? Yeah, it stinks. I mean, 65% completing the football,

12 TDs, five picks. And you knew they weren't going to win a bunch of games, but he's the rare, swaggy, confident guy who everyone seems to root for, especially as his current and former teammates, as you said. But this was going to be six more games that he had to get more comfortable in this system, in this league.

And yeah, the timetable is set back a bit. It stinks. Yeah, and it sucks like mentally to rehab because you go through a really tough time, especially like I'm imagining now during COVID to be in a boot or like, you know,

in his case, in an aircast or something to stabilize his knee, you know, you rehab, but you're not really like a part of the team. And it sucks. I mean, I know he's going to be in the meetings and that sort of thing and trying to do his best, but it can be really hard. You know, it's going to, it's a mental grind rehabbing. He's going to be up early, super early in the morning, like 4.30 in the morning to go in. And, you know, first he's got the surgery to deal with.

you got the pain you have you know who knows like his mom flies in a family member flies in you know to take care of him um but it's also covid so you can't have a bunch of people around your house um you know it's just a lonely time and it sucks because it's like the winter now it's the holidays bro and everybody's dealing with some you know everybody's dealing with a lot right now in in america so i'm not going to like turn this into a woe as joe burrow but from a standpoint of like you know mental toughness is going to take some And I think he's got what it takes to get through it and get out on the other side. So wishing him the best.

What happened out there, Dada? What happened out there? Sure. Let's do it. Okay, I'm going to go back to Saturday night, Charlottesville, Virginia Scott Stadium. Virginia is beating Abilene Christian out of Abilene, Texas. I bring it up because the spread was 39 and a half. Virginia leads 49 to 7.

Abilene Christian scores to make it 49-13 with 3. 126 to go in the game. Abilene does a choreographed bowling pin celebration where the guy rolls the ball and all the players fall down. 15-yard penalty is thrown on sportsman-like conduct and they get pushed back and miss the PAT. So still down 36 with a minute and a half to go. Virginia sends the hands team out. Abilene kicks it over the head of the Virginia return team. It's downed at the own five-yard line of UVA. UVA's offensive coordinator calls in the wrong play. Bronco Mendenhall said he was one line off. So I guess there's some sort of script. And instead of, I think it's a bingo card instead of B6, he calls I-6, which is a double pass

to the backup quarterback who is smashed in the middle of the end zone for his safety, 49-15. And that looks like hot-dogging gone wrong or like running up the score gone wrong or like what's the reaction in the stadium at this point? It appeared to be, we took offense to your celebration. So now we're going to try to score again

from our own five, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But the word from the UVA coaching staff is not our bad. We called the wrong play. And boy, howdy, wasn't the wrong play to throw back to your backup quarterback in your own end zone.

who gets just walloped for safety. So 49.15, then UVA has to kick it back to Abilene Christian. You think this is an easy cover for the Wildcats. They drive down the field. They're trying to score again. They're calling a timeout. And on the final play of the game, UVA gets a good pressure, picks off the pass, 84-yard pick six to the house,

55-15 final score. That's a difference of 40 points in Virginia covers. the 39 and a half based on all of those events. A late score, a celebration penalty, a miss PAT, a kickoff down at the five, a safety on a wrong play called in, double pass back to your backup quarterback, and then an 84-yard pick six.

I mean, that right there should just, if I end up on the wrong side of that as a gambler, first off, I'm betting an Abilene Christian game. I know it's a Virginia game. but you are betting an enormous line, probably just because there were a lot fewer games Saturday and you got desperate, that should tell you to stop.

And that's coming from somebody who should probably stop. That should tell you to stop. It's just fucking awful. And it's so funny to me that it's like, it's out of a movie. Why did the, let's just ice this thing and go home? Why was that play right next to the triple,

reverse pass, like run up the score because I'm mad at you play. Like, why? Victory formation, apparently, taking a knee as one line below, double pass back to the quarterback. I have no, like, fuck, dude. I think Bronco's a great coach. He's got to, they got to rework that bingo sheet. Because I know him. And I know he would never like run up the score or be a dick, even if you're into that. I mean, because I'm not somebody who's going to sit here and bleeding heart for somebody who's complaining about not being able to stop somebody late in the game especially after the bowling pin

celebration. But Broncos got to fix the bingo card. We gotta get our guy, Marcus Hagan's, on the bingo card. Yeah. Yeah, let's go Frank Gore Award. For me, it's DeShon Watson. Okay, I knew he was going to be on early in this game when he pumped faked the cameraman on

3rd and 3. I hadn't seen yeah, like, no, the camera followed the guy running a seam and he still had the football. It was like, I mean, and this was the game I had been waiting for as far as I know he's not working with much

and there's a few quarterbacks in the league who are in this kind of, this weight class where you wish they had, they had better around them. This was a game that made him unquestionably to me look like a top five quarterback. Thriving against the team that, you know,

I wish people would make their minds up on the Patriots and their defense. We came in the season. I think we were right when we said we're not so worried about the offense. We're actually worried about the defense. Well, those COVID opt-outs. Cam, for whatever reason, looks better right now.

It looks like maybe, you know, whether something was nagging him, maybe it was COVID fatigue, I don't know. Or maybe the Texan's defense just sucks that bad. He looked good against the Jets, and they did enough running the football against the Ravens. But he's out of that funk he was in, right? I mean, the 50-yarder that he threw in the middle of the field,

that arm looked fine to me. Of course, he had to load up and put everything into it. It's not what it once was. I think the rest of the year for the Patriots is going to be just seeing whose season they spoil because they're capable of doing that any given week because they're so unorthodox and they're so well coached. And it's also going to be seeing what Cam's future holds for him. So today, the Frank Gore Award goes to Deshaun. I mean, the dart to Cobb.

I mean, those balls that he threw. And he hit a lot of open receivers today. but as we can see around the league that's no given he was he was just pitching he was pitching strikes all day long and it looked good coming off his hand he looked comfortable back there he was just bouncing around

as somebody put it and just distributing the football looked totally in sync so Frank Gore Award goes to Deshawn Watson which by the way obviously to win the Frank Gore Award you need to be playing in obscurity how about Texans Patriots got that uninteresting to watch within a calendar year.

Like Texans Patriots the last five years since Deshawn's been there at least would be a marquee game. And this thing just snuck in there this Sunday. Game ball. I'm just going Phillip Rivers. He proved me wrong, man. I mean, like, he proved me right and then wrong because I did pick them to win the division. So they're competitive in that sort of thing.

But I counted them out. I did. You know, not just winning today, but how they won, scoring with the Packers, the fact that they can score with the Packers, even though I hate the Packers defense, Philip, my Rivers did. He looked pretty good. He got the job done. If you had told me it was going to take in the 30s to beat the Packers, I'd have said zero chance they win this ball game. And they're in the thick of it. They're in the thick of it in their division. They're in the thick of it for like a cozy, two or three spot in the AFC as well. And Frank Reich is doing a terrific job. One of the big things, as we talked about earlier, was the Pittman emergence for Philip Rivers.

So Philip Rivers game ball. I think just a week ago, I said somebody asked me, what do you see when you see Indianapolis? I said, well, it's not 2012 and Phil's not the same guy. It was and they don't have enough weapons around him, but maybe that's going to change if Pittman really comes on and the

defense continues to be pretty good. Although today, there were some weak moments. I will go with my fantasy tight end, Tassam Hill. We've covered this ground, but he goes 18 of 23 for 23, runs for two touchdowns, and gets the job done. Saints are 8 and 2, and it feels like for whatever reason, everyone was rooting against this guy, and you say that he showed you enough.

I thought he looked damn good out there. Yeah, it was a great, great performance against the Falcons. And next week, we'll see over the next couple weeks. I think he'll probably lose his fantasy tight end eligibility, but that's fine. Does that happen, you think? Oh, yeah. So you had it for one week. Right, and now he could be my quarterback, but he probably won't be.

I'll probably let Kyler the creator keep that spot. Yeah, you probably should, but you did try to trade him this week, which was pretty coy of you. Right, TASM, not Kyla. Tase. It goes to you on your apparent fantasy win. Still not decided, but it's looking good for you. Just so we know right now at about 10.07 p.m.,

I am... Here's the funniest thing, dude. Tyler Lockett. Tyler Lockett, who you tried to spoon-feed my brother this past week. He left him on the bench. He left him on the bench, and Tyler went off. But here's the thing. Kyle's got a few players left to go here.

We're in the thick of this AFC West battle. I'm up 151 to 89. E-Lair is going off right now for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's still got Henderson, Cup, and Higby Monday night. So this thing could come down to the wire. It could. Hey, kick a field goal, Bucker. Fuck.

Speaking of fantasy. All right, we'll make you take care, bud. The listeners should take care too. Chris, I'd like for you to take care of the listeners to take care. and even those who aren't listening to take care. I really, really want everybody to be taking care of these days. Shit, it's a holiday season.