Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Week 14 Reactions! Bills vs Chiefs Penalty, Cowboys Knock Off Eagles, Ravens Hold Off Rams! NFL Playoff Races

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

NFL Week 14 Reactions with Chris Long, Kyle Long and Nate 'Dr. Fax' Collins! A tough game for Philadelphia for the second week in a row as the Cowboys, behind Dak Prescott, pull even with Philly for t...he NFCE lead. The 49ers handle business vs the Seahawks and take the lead in the NFC, the Ravens need OT to run away from the Rams and hold seed in the AFC and the most accurate penalty of them all is called in the Bills vs Chiefs game. All those games are discussed and more! Enjoy! (2:17) - America’s Teams presented by Miller Lite: 49ers, Cowboys, America's Armed Forces and MNF! (15:46) - Cowboys 33 - Eagles 13: Philly Mistakes Doom Eagles (29:57) - Bears 28 - Lions 13: Detroit Stumbles vs Bears (43:48) - 49ers 28 - Seahawks 16: 49ers Cruise to NFC #1 Seed (50:34) - Bills 20 - Chiefs 17: Kadarius Toney is OFFSIDES!!???!?! (1:13:08) - Ravens 37 - Rams 31: Ravens Hold vs Rams (1:20:39) - Browns 31 - Jaguars 27: JOE FLACCO! (1:30:17) - AFC Playoff Outlook (1:35:24) - Bengals 34 - Colts 14: Jake Browning is the Real McCoy (1:40:43) - Broncos 24 - Chargers 7: Justin Herbert Injured (1:44:54) - Jets 30 - Texans 6: Zach Wilson Found his Cunth? (1:55:38) - NFC Playoff Outlook and MNF Previews Delivered by Little Caesars: Green Bay at NYG and Tennessee at Miami (2:03:20) - Miller Lite Moments: Patrick Mahomes on the sideline, Jake Browning in the Joe Burrow's suite and More! Want to win a chance to watch the NFL Conference Championships with Chris Long and the Green Light crew in Studio J? Enter below: MILLERLITE.COM/GREENLIGHTSWEEPS This podcast is brought to you by Cash App. With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is the easy way to stay in control of your money. Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Use the GameTime app for all your ticketing needs. Create an account and use code GREENLIGHT for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download the GameTime app today last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed. Make sure to check out Fax and the King every Wednesday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaxAndTheKing Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪(202) 991-0723‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: social@chalkmedia.com Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Chiefs, Bills. What a game. Was it, though? It was a great game. It was a great game. It was a bullshit call. It was a bullshit call. And like, that's, it's not a bullshit call.
Starting point is 00:00:12 Okay, let me explain why it's not a bullshit call. Okay? Temperate. Kyle. You know, when you had that one teacher in high school that all they wanted to do was fuck you over, they wanted to get on the, you wanted to put you in the parent teacher conference, gets you dead to rights, get you suspended. Okay, when you got Carl Chaffers in the classroom,
Starting point is 00:00:34 when you got the guy that you called a foot locker employee, they called Roughing the Passer on Chris Jones last year, you make sure you line the fuck up. You make sure you check with the official. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. NFL Week 14 Recap. We react to every game across the Week 14 slate, Chris Long, Kyle Long, Dr. Fax, Nate Collins,
Starting point is 00:01:01 the Eagles with a tough one in Dallas losing to the Cowboys. The Eagles can still win the NFC East. They need some help from the Cowboys. We talk about that game. We get into the Bill's Chiefs. The penalty, Cadarius Tony, not checking in or did he check in? Did the refs just have it out? Patrick Mahomes' reaction to everything, having to be held back.
Starting point is 00:01:20 We also dissect the playoff races across the NFL, what teams are in. The UFC has a wildly muddled playoff race. A lot of teams at 7 and 6 all have a shot. Who is the best chance? what matchups the rest of the way are going to be the biggest ones. And then we give out our America's teams and we get into our Miller Light moments. We preview Monday night's games. We got two Monday night games tonight.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Give out a couple bets as well that you might want to cash in on. Because as you know, we never miss a bet. You all enjoy today's show. We will be back on Wednesday with Stanford Steve. Welcome, week 14 reactions. Hold on, hold on a minute. There we go. In the heart.
Starting point is 00:02:25 You know what I mean? Dig deep into the into the closet for that one. Yeah, dug deep like where we put the lion. We put the lions. Deep in the water. In the deep water. Man, we got a lot to talk about today.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I mean, some great games yesterday. Objectively great games. Until Sunday night, we're going to talk about that. But I'll start with America's teams. Okay, Kyle. Okay, let's go. Let's start with the B teams, the Bengals, the Bucs, the Broncos, the Bills.
Starting point is 00:02:53 I like it. Okay. All the Bs. teams won. And yeah, Sean McDermott has a little work to do to be able to be on an America's team after last week. Maybe he could run out of the tunnel with a flag opening night next year. But I got one more B team than I didn't even mention. That was wild. The Chicago Bears. Yep. Yeah, it was a wild strategy by the B team. It's actually a C team. But probably worse than that in a football sense, like objectively a terrible idea to do that for Sean McDermott. Like everybody agrees.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I still don't think it's real, is it? It's almost like not real. It's not. I refuse to believe it. Like that some human being that's in charge of an organization that's worth that much money was like, yeah, let me. Chris had a newspaper publication in high school called Satan Lee speaking. Our mascot was, we went to St. Anne's, St. Anne. And our mascot was the saints.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Chris had Satanly speaking. And it was actually arguably better than the school newspaper. Well, that was the point. The school newspaper wasn't providing people with enough option. It seemed like a Satanly speaking article. Now for people that... Did it not? It did.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It was like an onion article. It was sick. It was a total onion article. But in high school they had this thing called saintly speaking. And I was like, this newspaper's just not given enough information. It's not hard hitting enough. So I was like, I started passing out this other newspaper and they, like, for free. Actually.
Starting point is 00:04:14 I'd pass out this other newspaper. Yeah, I'd pass out this other newspaper. And the faculty were snatching it up. They were basically burning books. It was the original green light. media. We have to get our hands on it. I don't know about that. If they burn all the publications over there at St. Ann. What might be worse than what Sean McDermott did was his clock management at the end of the game,
Starting point is 00:04:35 but we'll talk about that. And then, oh yeah, the Bears. I didn't even mention that. It's another B team. And the Justin Fields fan club, that is America's team. Whether you're a Bears fan or somebody who wants to see him extradited to a city near you, Justin Fields is going to be a guy in this league. I told you, I've been clinging to this bandwagon. I've almost fell off a couple of times. Seats taken.
Starting point is 00:04:59 If you're trying to get on, there's only a few people that are still there. I want to see him somewhere he can thrive. Kyle, Army Navy, both those guys, Army and Navy, all the guys. The guys on land, the guys in the boats. And the gals. And the gals. Right, exactly. But the guys on the field.
Starting point is 00:05:15 They'll shoot your ass too, Chris. Yes, they will. And I want to say this. It was the worst push of all time, that underpushing. Did you see you, the way that game had you? I don't know if you saw my Twitter on Saturday, but I woke up and said, no college football,
Starting point is 00:05:28 almost the end of pro football, to which everybody said, you anti-American. You anti-American. I mean, and Kyle. I just knew Oregon wasn't playing. The championship happened last week, and I assumed everybody just took the day off.
Starting point is 00:05:40 You really walked into that one. You really walked into that one. So did Shohei Otani announcing his, I mean, first he hates the American media, now he hates America, because he's announcing his free agency signing in the middle of the Army Navy game. Okay, I don't know if it's supposed to be a thing.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Surprise attack. McDermott kind of, maybe McDermott's pregame speech was like, guys, remember Pearl Harbor? They weren't coming back. And it's the thing with us going to Kansas City. It's burn the ships or, you know. You know, it's funny because the media members that follow Shoah, they're essentially burning the ships.
Starting point is 00:06:20 in their lives. They're just following this guy around. And for him to sneak up on the Army and the Navy. He snuck up on the Army and the Navy at the same time. I've seen this before. It's one of the most unreal. I almost want to say I've never heard this before, but I've heard this before.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Yeah, I've heard this before. Anyways, at least the media guy. We're playing golf like the guy at Pearl Harbor that could have stopped it. Too soon, Shohen. Okay, anyways. But the armed forces, Kyle. I guess they misunderstood when I'm always saying that all I want for our troops is safety. Not taking a safety at the end of the game.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Hilarious. You know, with all that money on the line, some people had 27 and a half, they were partying in the streets. Okay. And with World War III, people are talking about World War III right now. America and the American troops are in America's team. Fucking North Korea. Wait, you got threat to me, you got $48 billion.
Starting point is 00:07:15 You're practically Amazon. Did you watch that whole? Like going to war with Amazon with, with America. employees who are paid even worse. Did you watch the beginning of that? Did you watch the beginning of that game? Yeah, what? I don't understand that, like, each Army and Navy has, like,
Starting point is 00:07:31 ten people that are held hostage before the game, and then they, like, release them. Did you not see that? What? Like, it's, like, members of the other thing, and they release them, and then they run, and then they jump over the wall to get in the crowd. It's war games. There's perspective Navy, Navy men, and then Army men. But it was like they talked about it, but I just didn't understand that.
Starting point is 00:07:51 A longstanding tradition at the Army Navy football game is to conduct a formal prisoner exchange as part of the pregame activities. The prisoners are cadets, cadets, and midshipmen currently spending the semester studying at the sister academy. This is a little, this is a little. These are the fucking rookies. They tie them up. But for a whole semester? You keep Johnson for a semester and we'll free him at the game. How crazy is that?
Starting point is 00:08:15 I didn't know if I heard that whole thing right. or not, but that's crazy. Operation Belichick. That's crazy. I mean, anyways, but whatever they want to do, do it because you're America's team, the troops. They look so sharp in a football game. Yeah, they look sharp. The uniforms are sick.
Starting point is 00:08:31 And then also, you know, back up QBs. You got Flacco out there throwing the ball 40 plus times. You got Browning throwing the ball 40. And he doesn't have the strongest arm, this Browning guy. It's an ironic last name, right? Like he's more of a red rider. Well, it's an every man rifle, the Browning. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Is it a shotgun? Is it a rifle? I think it's an all encompassing weapon. It may not be the best one, but it fucking works. It works, and it's working for the Bengals. There's a reason you know the name. Here's my last one, Kyle. Luke Long, my son Luke Long, he had the Triple Crown this week.
Starting point is 00:09:03 He had pneumonia, strep throat, and flu A. Okay, now he was inoculated, so, you know, the flu wasn't bothering him as much. But to have the Triple Crown, to come off IR Saturday, to go watch his older brother, Wayland's basketball game. The Knicks, they got the win. He returned to the monkey bars where I believe that he contracted all three viruses last week and was able to play on the playground. It was a real great moment.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Whelan, two offensive rebounds, one defensive rebound, two assists, a swish, all in the first quarter alone. It was a great day for the family. And I thank Luke Long for taking one for the team because nobody in my house got sick besides Luke. Hey, here's an op-ed on that situation. What is it? The rest of the stat line for the team, the flu. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Potentially, Luke, given a couple assists. He didn't even play in the game. Exactly, dude. I mean, and he protected his big, he took a charge for the family, which is the most important thing. So shout out to Luke. So that was number five. That's number five. Okay, it's my America's team's list, and I'm sorry to start it this way, Chris, but the Dallas cowboy.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Oh, it's okay. You know, I often wondered if Jerry was going to make it long. enough and have the energy and the youth to be able to to make it long enough to see the Cowboys with a team that truly had a chance to make a run in the playoffs. And it's the, it's right there in front of us now. The Dallas Cowboys with Dak Prescott playing like an MVP, the offensive line stepping up in big moments up front. Excuse me, my Madden League is updating there. You can hear all my notification, so I'll mute that. But it's the Dak Prescott led Dallas Cowboys. It's the defense showing up in big moments and making it
Starting point is 00:10:43 Hard for the opposing quarterbacks, week in, week out. It's guys stepping up all over that team. And there's so many dudes around the country wearing Cowboys jerseys that are excited and they have something to cheer for. When they've been the butt of the joke for so long. They still wear the jerseys, even when they're the butt of the jokes. They laugh, cry, burn it. They do it all.
Starting point is 00:11:00 But, you know, this week and many weeks this season, it's been the Dallas Cowboys. Number two, the San Francisco 49ers, not only the best team in the league, but they've answered questions about their doubters the whole way through, particularly Kyle Shanahan. his quarterback to be able to showcase a skill set that has been doubted. I mean, they said the guy can't throw deep. He's like, well, let's just go for a fucking shot play, Brock. Throw it up there. And he does it. And you know, the whole thing, the whole thing reminds me of Tom Brady. And I know he has no rings. And I know he's done nothing in comparison to Tom Brady. But the thing just smells a bit
Starting point is 00:11:35 He's a bigger part of that offense than Brady in the early chapters. It smells very Bradyish to me. He's a, he's a bigger part of that offense. And the thing that stands out to me is the way that his teammates talk about him. And it's the way that Tom's teammates used to talk about him. I'd be like, you don't know Tom. Like, you don't understand. I mean, that's the sense that I get about Brock Purdy and the guys in that locker room that really know him and really love him. Number two, San Francisco 49ers.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Number three, I was in Manhattan this weekend, and one thing I didn't know that happens around the holidays is Santa Con. Santa Con. Santa Con. Santa Con goers in New York City. I saw thousands of people participating. It's like a morning, noon, and night bar crawl, and the only rules you have to dress like Santa, and I guess just get absolutely fucking shit house.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Everybody was on their best behavior. Everybody was fucked up. Everybody was dressed like Santa. I don't know what it's in support of, but it's like Grand Theft Auto Online Lobby, where people all look like create a character. I'm like, look at all these lunatics out here. That was number three, Santa Concovers in New York City.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Number four, the Bears. I mean, you had them on your list, but you didn't give them their own category. They were in the B category. Number four, Chicago Bears. It's been interesting to see this team, you know, have a metamorphosis. You know, they've kind of had a renaissance here at the end of the year. They started off, what, 0 and 4, 0 and 5, and they've gone on a run here. Justin Fields has done great.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Montez Sweat getting added was the catalyst. I truly feel like for this entire team, because Ryan Poles, when he was in Kansas City, prior to being the GM in Chicago, he got to see what a true physical mismatch at the defensive line position can do, not only for the chaos it's going to entail on the offense, but for the secondary. The secondaries could have opportunities to make plays, as we've seen in Kansas City. So he goes, he gets the biggest physical mismatch he can with Montez Sweat, and this defense has taken off. You talked at length about the secondary last week. They played really good. And I love that. But they're all playing up.
Starting point is 00:13:36 or playing up. You know, it's the tide that rises all ships. That's Montez sweat for this unit. And then obviously feels to DJ more. Nobody is appreciated and loved more than Justin Fields when he's having success. People love this guy. Number five, Monday Night Football Fans, according to an article that Matt told me about that he read on The Athletic, they're airing two games at the same time.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Oh, it's true. To gain real data. To gain real data on viewer interest. A lot of people like Wighton. watching two games at the same time, Chris. So I think ESPN and Disney, they're like, well, we can harvest a lot of information. Harvest organs. In this day and age, that's what's important.
Starting point is 00:14:17 It's harvesting organs. It's the cloud organ. Yep. They're harvesting your attention span is what they're doing. All year long, oh, Monday night's not enough. Hey, Christmas, you get the day off. Nah, fuck the idea. We're doing Black Friday.
Starting point is 00:14:32 We're doing it. You want to go to Best Buy. You got to have it on your phone. The whole thing. The NFL is rural. the world. Well, when they've had two Monday Night games, they've tried staggering them by like an hour,
Starting point is 00:14:41 but they're seeing of putting them at the same time. Yeah, it's weird. Just put them at the same time. Most people have two TVs, two screens, and neither game is a, is a banger. You know, you got your phone and you got a TV screen. You got two screens. I guess, I guess when you said.
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Starting point is 00:16:09 is probably the favorite, you thought that they'd show you more in this game. And I know Dallas is really good at home and all that stuff. Listen for the Eagles, the offensive scheme, not as good as it was last year. We know, and on both sides of the ball, that's probably true, which I think the number one issue
Starting point is 00:16:24 that, you know, when it comes to the coaching, is just these coordinators, like making these changes, it hasn't worked out as well. You know, not as glaringly defensively. I think that's personnel. to that, but the problem last night was not the scheme. It was turnovers and money downs. And if you can't convert in key situations and you can't get home in stops, in plus, uh, in plus, uh, in plus territory, and your best players fail you, because that's what it is. Like if you wanted to go beat this team,
Starting point is 00:16:51 if you want to go beat these teams on the road or at home in the playoffs, your best players have to play well. And your best players did not play their best games. I mean like, Eagles pull it out all the stops. They were running fake puns on bones, by the way, who was the special team. coach Fossil who is he's like the fake punt king he used to do one a game with Hecker to get that fake punt run on him you were like okay the Eagles are really pulling out all the stops the QB run game the whole thing but drive one you get Jalen fumbling in plus territory drive two you get a third and five and you know my biggest no no on a team that's chasing touchdowns especially on the road and you know you're gonna need
Starting point is 00:17:28 them because you see what the defense looks like it's third and five you take a shot to AJ Brown and he drops that ball okay so you get a feel go out of that. But, you know, part of me is like constantly, if you're third and five, you know, get yourself to fourth and short where you can run that push push. Give your offense an opportunity. And I understand being aggressive, but in that situation, I know it's on his hands, but he didn't catch the ball. So then you're down 24-6 out of the half, right? And the run game's going and you get another AJ Brown fumble. Imagine if it's 24-17, even if you kick a field goal after that Fletcher Cox fumble for a touchdown that Jalen Carter picked up. I mean like that's a totally different
Starting point is 00:18:06 ball game but instead you fumble the ball. It's the easiest stupid score ever by the way. You know, totally easy. He was in coast mode. But I mean just the way that it, you know, there was no error on the scoop. No error on the run. He never changed speeds. He didn't panic. He was looking at the key is you got to look at the jumbo. He's done that before. He's a reason he's defensive player rookie defensive rookie the year for me is because he didn't celebrate after that. He's done a million times. Like don't be jumping up and down like you're down fucking two scores. Okay. That the out of the nine you're short of the sticks. You know what's your play on third down to get you closer? Devonte Smith red zone fumble when it's all over and I
Starting point is 00:18:45 think like when you talk about this Dallas defense yeah the the Eagles pissed down their legs in my opinion calling it what it is on the biggest stage but Dallas made plays defensively got to give them credit. Al Harris, my old teammate, who's a coach there. Siriani joked about the, you know, trying to hire him away or get him hired away because he's a real problem for the Eagles and for anybody playing the Cowboys, the secondary, the defense, they've been so opportunistic. And you think about they're down, their number one ball hawk. And they've got a guy leading the league and he's setting a record and pick sixes and that sort of thing. So defensively, though, this is the thing that will kill this team down the stretch. Okay, you can say if you're the Eagles and if you're an Eagles fan,
Starting point is 00:19:26 Hey, but we turn the ball over in plus territory. Hey, we move the ball a lot. The problem is, if you're going to have to sustainably score 30 points a game to hang with these teams, these things pop up. And chasing points against the San Francisco 49ers of Dallas Cowboys is not a winning proposition. So you've got personnel issues. We know that. But like on a big third down, you got Roby on Lamb early. You've had bad matchups all year that's plagued them.
Starting point is 00:19:52 And that's the schematic part I'm talking about. You got guys outside sometimes. their best guys. And sometimes you don't have a choice. But when you control it, fucking control it. And then before the half, they actually get a sack on a two-minute drive, which is supposed to be a drive killer, Kyle, right? Was that the Hassan Reddick? The San Reddick sack. Which I thought he blew up Dak Brascai. I know. And I'm glad it was one of those awkward, like, oh, please get up Dak. Yeah. We've seen it before with Dak. Yeah. It goes down and it's all you don't want to look. Well, I thought they might flag it. It was one of those guys. It was one of those things where the
Starting point is 00:20:20 offensive lineman was the reason he went low. But like, you should kill a drive with that. And at that point, You're playing for survival. You're down 17-6. You get the ball coming out. You get second and 15 after that sack. It's not as much the third down, which I'll get to, which is abhorrent. It's the worst thing I've ever fucking seen in my life. I wanted to vomit all over my shoes.
Starting point is 00:20:40 But it's giving up 10 yards on second and 15, setting up third and six, nine, 10 yards on second and 15. And then I've never seen this Ringo getting flagged twice in one play. You're at your own 40 playing defense. you're at your you're you're you end up in in Dallas plus territory after those two penalties a face mask and a DPI and at that point you're like just kick a field goal for fuck's sake they hit cooks um they they couldn't store they couldn't sort the stack down there at the goal line the defense just doesn't look great whether it's the run game whether it's the linebackers uh the pass rush wasn't getting there and i'll say this because it's not all about the eagles it is about the Dallas yeah well in this game you know i got to serve the people here the eagles fans are are here. I think there's some tough truths that you're going to hear when you talk about the Eagles and you won't hear them again for another month because they're going to beat these teams. But Dallas, Tyron Smith is healthy. He looks like Prime Tyrant Smith. He was locking down
Starting point is 00:21:36 Josh Sweat last night. CD Lamb looks like a number one. People are always like, is he a number one. Is he not a number one? He's a number one. Ferguson is a real guy. Cook's is coming on. And we used to say, Kyle, it's all the run game. You know, Dak, he survives because of these guys up front because the Great Wallet Gallup. Yeah, and you know what? There's some truth to that. That offensive line looks great, and they're young. They've got an old Hall of Fame right guard.
Starting point is 00:21:59 They've got a left tackle who is somehow you look at it, and PFS got him right as the number one left tackle in football. And I'm like, that can't be right. And then you watch him play, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's Tyrant Smith. Yeah, he's got guys locked up and he looks like Prime Tyron Smith. But the thing is now, because of the offense and the way it's changed, you can't blame the success on anybody else but that. He is the reason.
Starting point is 00:22:20 He is the reason for the season for the Dallas Cowboys. And a saying we used to have in the league is they remember what you do in December. They remember December. And so this game that he played last week against Seattle, this game that he played against the Eagles, he's the reason they're winning these games. And to me, if the season ended today, he's the MVP. Yes. You couldn't hear that from anybody.
Starting point is 00:22:42 More biased, you know, you would say towards the Eagles, like he is the MVP. And we'll see what happens. McCarthy too the whole season's been vindication for this guy his philosophy the way he goes about leading his group and I mean I love his his game playing week in week out there ability to score points you're looking at a team who's scoring a lot of fucking points week in week out and I remember Kellyn Moore was the guy that said I want to score points and Mike McCarthy said what Chris I just want to win games yeah consequently when you're winning games and you got deck Prescott playing the best football of his life and you've
Starting point is 00:23:17 drafted well and you've retained talent you develop that group up front, you're going to score a lot of fucking points. Dude, I mean, like, for an old NFL guy that we made fun of, and, you know, Kellyn Moore is the next head coach and the whole thing like, well, the Chargers offense has floundered. It got even worse if that was possible. And Dallas has gotten better offensively, and it looks like Dax's really comfortable. And that throw at the end of the game where Sweat actually won a rush and he was bearing down on him. And the game at this point is in hand, but that throw down the left sideline is where me and Nolan turned to each other. And I've been on the other side of this thing,
Starting point is 00:23:49 and Nolan being a Philly guy, he's like, Dax, Dack's not Dack right now. Dack is, this is new Dac. And so, you know, there's not a guy that I could be happier for in another team playing well, take the Cowboys thing out of it. Because whether you're an Eagles fan or not, I really respect this dude.
Starting point is 00:24:07 You know, I've been around him, I played against him. He's a leader. I'm on inside the NFL. I get to hear all the B-roll, all the mic'd-up stuff last week, watching him lead that team against the Seahawks. I kind of got chills, man. not going to because when he had them in the huddle it's not fake talk he's really applying leadership
Starting point is 00:24:24 skills in that huddle and on that sideline and i think you know i can't say enough about how well he's played the cowboy's offense hadn't punted since thanksgiving so they're a fucking wagon and when they do have to kick they get this guy brandon arbery who lines up from the star and just boots it through um and hats off to him actually hats on to him because after the game he kept his hat on and he's shut up and he let the players, the football players talk. They had him in the circle. I loved his kicker answers. It was like, yep.
Starting point is 00:24:56 You know, I was just trying my best. And back to Tony Pollard and Dak, the guys that won us this game. But he could play a big role for them down the stretch if he's kicking balls like that. I was kind of like the Niners meeting a couple weeks ago. There was Kittle. There was Pertie. There was Samuel. There was IU.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Purdy said like five words, I think. Yeah. And I'm not comparing Purdy. No, but Aubrey had the same program. The juxtaposition of a guy being surrounded by Titans of industry. And letting that do the... You're like, hey. I'm just going to let them have the ball.
Starting point is 00:25:27 So hats off, hats on. So hats off and hats on to him. But, like, Philly, if you look at the records down the stretch, Kyle... The way this is laid out is, like, I still think the Eagles win the East, which is huge. If you want to beat this Dallas team, you're not going to Jerry's World to do it. I've seen enough, okay? Like, you can turn the ball over, all this stuff. I'm not going to...
Starting point is 00:25:44 Listen, I put the Eagles in some teasers last night. I'm not even betting the Eagles if they get in the playoffs and go to Jerry's world. I'm not necessarily going to put my nuts on the table for a situation like that. You can say, ye of little faith or whatever you want to say. But it's not cap. I feel like you're going to bet. I feel like I'm not. I feel like I'm not.
Starting point is 00:26:02 I mean, like you could make these hollow predictions. Hey, Dak Prescott versus the Eagles the last two times. 53 for 83, 645, five tuds, no pay. And that's not going to change. So the offense has to score at a high click. But if you look at Philly at Seattle, And that's a monumental game. This is for the division for them,
Starting point is 00:26:19 because then you get the Giants, the cards, and the giants. The Cowboys, they go at Bills, at Finns, Lions, commies. If both teams went out, as I understand it, the Eagles still win the East. So the Niners are the real key here if you want a home field advantage, because that's your shot to get into the bowl, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:26:37 It's just too much to ask to have to go to San Francisco. Could you play a lot better? Could you turn those field goals into touchdowns in the first quarter? I don't know. But right now, unless somebody gets hurt, on the Niners. There's nobody better in the NFC. Now, they have the cards. NFC, two great teams, one good team. I don't think the Cowboys are a great team.
Starting point is 00:26:55 At times, I do. Right. Okay, but at times you could say, hey, you look at the Eagles and you're like, holy shit. Really good. But the point I'm making, they're really good at times. You can't put the Niners and the Cowboys in the same class. No. In my opinion, you can't. Right now, it's a one, two, three. It's clean for me. Okay. It's because the Eagles haven't, the Eagles have, we can agree there. The Eagles have personnel issues, and they also have schematic issues. and the Cowboys are maximizing their scheme. And money-down issues. And the Cowboys, the way you beat them, Kyle,
Starting point is 00:27:23 is you run the football. Well, that script is not going to work. You know, because the Eagles were running the football, but they couldn't stick to it. They panicked. They had to panic. The Niners have at the cards, the Ravens, the Commies, and the Rams.
Starting point is 00:27:35 So the only way the Eagles, you know, can hope to get back in this thing, in my opinion, is if the Ravens go to the, not the stick, to Levi's, and beat the Dundaries off them, man. That's the only way that this happens. And so there's going to be a lot of people watching that Ravens game. And then also, interestingly, I think Philly wins the East, if they don't get home field advantage.
Starting point is 00:27:57 But let's say San Francisco loses a game. They lose that Baltimore game. And Philly wins out. Okay? Or Philly loses one game. All crossed up here. Philly and Dallas lose one game. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Imagine this. You know, Philly loses in Seattle. Dallas loses the Ravens. then the Niners I think let's put it this way I'm all confused if the Niners
Starting point is 00:28:20 have to make a decision week 18 when they play the Rams yeah let's say they don't have anything to play for until they sit there guys they might have to let the Rams into the playoff they might effectively let the Rams in the playoffs you know what I'm saying so there's a couple
Starting point is 00:28:33 games here that are really interesting I don't want to play the Rams of the playoffs nobody does right so maybe they say hey we don't want these guys in not that they we think that they can beat us but they did take them down to the wire sort of in L.A. earlier this season, it feels like many moons ago. I actually think the Niners, who haven't won a lot of close games,
Starting point is 00:28:51 that was one of them, the Rams were in that game. So I think there's some interesting games. And that was before the stretch of injury? That was before Trenton Debo. Oh, yeah. This is early in the season. This is early in the season. Full wean, San Francisco. Full wean, San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:29:06 And they got points before the half in that game, I think. They went down and got a touchdown. So they had to, they felt the pressure of playing. playing the Rams. They do not like playing the Rams. They don't they don't hate playing anybody because they're so fucking good, but the Rams in week 18. We'll see what happens where it sits and that's going to be an interesting one. We're going to talk more about the Rams, but they did start the game against the Ravens with nine straight runs. It was incredible. So I have an appreciation for McVeigh and his no question. Yeah, he's got some girth to his game plan. The Rams remind me of the bills in that like
Starting point is 00:29:39 not in that I think the Rams are maximizing what they have. Yeah. McVeigh and the bills have not gotten the most out of it, but they're here. And both teams, if they slide in, can be dangerous, right? But both teams have the odds stacked against them. Now, the only difference is yesterday, the bills won their big game, the Rams, although they played the lights out. They lost that game. Let's talk about the Lions, because the Lions, they found a way to lose again against the Bears. It felt like they lost the first game. They didn't. They were 92% to lose at the end of the game. Bears come back. How do we let these kitty cats get in the NFC North lead, man.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I don't know, man. How do we get these little felines, these fake-ass pirates? Oh, see, here we go. These Tommy tough nut motherfuckers. I don't think, I just don't think they're that good. They ain't that good. That's the problem. And I don't think they're that tough because they got out tough against the Chicago Bears. Chicago might not be very good, but they're very tough.
Starting point is 00:30:33 They're a tough group. And they run off of the engine that is that defense. And, you know, it's been mad to be profluse, taking that thing over since the feds did a sweep. Yeah. and making sure that the eyes are dotted and the T's are crossed. And I was actually in there this past week. I went to Hallis Hall for the first time since I stopped playing. And this isn't about me, but this is about the guys that I got to see.
Starting point is 00:30:57 And they're a big fucking group in person. Like, you know the names, you know what they look like. And then you see them in person, you're like, damn, that's what the safety looks like. That guy's big as hell. Roshan Johnson, the running back, huge. Justin Fields got to meet him. and you just get the feeling when you're walking in there that these guys aren't, I mean, they're not packing it in.
Starting point is 00:31:16 They're in the hunt. So they approach this game against the Lions as we're on the hunt. And a couple weeks ago they played the Lions. They had them by two possessions with a couple minutes left, and they pissed down their leg. They threw the game. So for them to get a huge win like this, Justin Fields throws for one, runs for one.
Starting point is 00:31:34 They effectively beat the hell out of the Detroit Lions at home. There's something to play for here if you're Chicago. There's something to play for him. For the Lions, Jared Gough was under pressure by Montez Sweat. Great acquisition. And overall, I just love the way the bears are playing as a unit for each other. That defense has completely morphed with him. To the point where weekend, you know, 10, 14 days ago,
Starting point is 00:31:57 I can talk them up after Monday night football because all three levels are playing well because you're getting pressure on the quarterback and the catalyst that he is at the beginning of the season. You said, okay, you might, they think their win total was six and a half when we're saying, hey, maybe we'll take the over on that. The one thing about this defense is, yeah, they have some holes, but the pass rush, they went out and got in Gokwe.
Starting point is 00:32:17 It really didn't do anything for them. Montez Sweat, immediate ROI. And I think for the Lions, the concerning thing is not only this year, because if you got to go on the road, if you got to go outside, I don't trust you. I just don't trust you. Do something to make me trust you. Okay, like Lions fans got pissed me earlier this year when I said, I don't think they're a contender. And then I placated you guys on a winning streak and was like,
Starting point is 00:32:39 I don't like the word contender because I want to include you. Okay, because anybody can win a fucking Super Bowl if you get in. Anything can happen in this league, not in college football. Don't compare the Eagles in 17 to the Florida State semi-holes this year. Okay? But the problem is the Lions, when they play in division, okay, you're staring at your future. If Justin Fields is still there, okay? Or, you know, if you're playing the Packers, Jordan Love is going to be the guy of the future.
Starting point is 00:33:07 The last couple weeks, you got jumped. You need to just get beat. You got jumped by these teams. The last three games you played division opponents. Like, Bears jumped you, right? They're up two scores late. The Packers made you play the game on their terms, and the Bears did it again yesterday.
Starting point is 00:33:22 And over the last month, after that Raiders game, I started to see a difference in the way this team operates and that they turn the ball over. And, you know, I made kind of a big deal about that, but I couldn't stand on the table because Jared Gough has had less turnover-worthy plays this year before that point than most guys in the league. He was down at the bottom.
Starting point is 00:33:39 in that metric. But over the last month, 10 of the 14 turnovers have come against division opponents. And since week seven, golf is tied for the most turnovers in the league. Before that, not something they did. So they're turning the ball over. Yesterday, they couldn't get LaPorta, couldn't get Gibbs the ball. And for somebody like Ben Johnson, who I've been jumping out of the gym on this guy, and I think he could be a head coach somewhere next year. Luckily, he didn't take the Carolina job. Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson. You've got to find a way to fix this problem. And the run game becomes an issue because you still run the ball well, but you're playing out of phase, just like the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:34:14 And you know, like you go away from the run game. You're not getting gives the ball. You're not getting the port of the ball. In the third quarter this year alone, and you saw this yesterday. They do not score. Six, seven of these games this year, they have not scored, not a point in the third quarter. So what are they doing at the half to make adjustments?
Starting point is 00:34:33 I don't know, but you get away from the rug game. And here's the crazy thing, Kyle, On second and 10, if you're the Lions, what's your best play to get you to third and medium? David Montgomery? Yeah. And on second and 10 yesterday or second and long, they continually threw the ball. And in those situations on third and long, they were terrible. And, you know, like late in the game, they converted a third and 10 down 2813, second to last possession.
Starting point is 00:34:58 That's the first third and long, by my count, that they converted all day. So when you look at these two quarterbacks, I feel like you're looking at the future of the game. on one sideline with Justin Fields, the escapability, the mobility. Talk about the thing that preceded the worst sequence of defensive football I might have seen all year, which is the fourth and 13. Now, they missed a hold, they missed the grounding, right? Dan Campbell's freaking out on the sideline, and that might be the difference. But it's Justin Fields getting the ball out, living to fight another day, and then fourth
Starting point is 00:35:31 and 13, Aidan Hutchinson jumps offside. You get a free play, and Jacobs is burnt. Aiden Hutchinson had a rough day yesterday. Well, he had a rough day, Kyle, and I'll say this. He did end up with a sack. It was a bit of a coverage sack. But then in the red zone, people are talking about, you know, on Justin Fields Scramble for the touchdown.
Starting point is 00:35:48 That's on him. Who is it on? I got to know. You weren't in the meetings. I got to know who called, did somebody call that game, or did he take a natural team? There is a positive from that, and we can, I'm. For people at home who didn't see it.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Aiden Hutchinson has contained responsive. In the red zone. From a simpleton perspective. We're looking at 15, 16 yards line. Yeah, you're in the red zone. Spread formation. Justin Field sees the rush. Aidan Hutchinson runs underneath.
Starting point is 00:36:15 So he crosses the defensive tackle. He's the left end and loops around the left. So now there's no defensive end. If you're playing Madden, you see that and you're like, oh, I'm going to fuck. And he tries to play out of it. And so some people were like. But Darno Wright was huge and square, and he stopped the three techniques, rusher who realized that he had contained now, was trying to get back outside,
Starting point is 00:36:33 Big 58, right tackle. I kind of felt like it was a natural. I kind of felt like... It was, but it was selfish, it felt like, in my opinion. It's a tough... I don't think it's selfish. I think sometimes, Kyle, if you never been in that situation, it's not like you're like, oh, I got a win.
Starting point is 00:36:46 I got bench in junior college. That's why I'm a no-line. Yeah, but you can get benched for running inside in the red zone. I've done it. I got benched for that. Were you playing defense? At Saddleback, I played defense my first year, and they bench me. Do it in the pros and watch Justin Fields walk into the end zone.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I'll never do it again. It's happened to me before where, you know, you're trying to win. you feel like somebody needs to make a play. And late in this game, those two touchdowns were completely avoidable by the Lions, and Aiden had a hand in both of them. I don't want to hammer him on taking an inside move
Starting point is 00:37:16 in the red zone, because a lot of times, if the three techniques, high, it works out, I want to give credit to the Bears for sorting that game, right? And Justin's quick reactions, the fourth and 13 free play with Aiden jumping, him hitting DJ Moore. And they asked DJ Moore after the game, what did you see? And he was like, well, I saw a free play.
Starting point is 00:37:33 I saw a press man. and I gave him the meep-meep, which is like, I'm out of here. And then Justin Fields hit the meet-meep on the fail to contain. Now, Hutch did some good things. Good quick thinking by Justin Fields, which people have ragged on him for. Hutch is not the problem with this defense. But unfortunately, when you're the guy everybody's looking at, and there's not a lot of help around you and McNeil's down,
Starting point is 00:37:53 and you're just not very good. You don't have a lockdown corner. There's a lot of stuff, you know, from a design standpoint that reminds me of the Eagles. You know, it's like, you know, Eagles have better players. on defense, but the sum of the parts, you're still getting shredded. And the same thing here with Detroit, Hutchinson can't do it all. I just want to give credit to Justin Fields. Command on third down, third and four at the end of the third with somebody in his face at midfield. Like, I just,
Starting point is 00:38:19 that's a Chris off the couch moment for me. The throw outside, I think it was to Mooney that he fits into such a tight window. Like, don't tell me he can't make all the throws. Okay. So like, if you're down on Justin Fields, that's your right. But this kind of, guy's going to make somebody happy next year. And, you know, like, it's going to be interesting seeing if they do package him, what's the trade hall for him? Somebody in this building yesterday said, not dissimilar to a Zach Wilson or a Sam Darnel trade. And I said, that's blasphemy because I think Justin Fields is worth for some of these teams like in Atlanta. It's unbelievable. Somebody said that. They were in this building? I'm not going to say who.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Did you tell them to get out of here? Are they in this building right now? Don't look. Don't look. They're not going to, they're in this building right now. I'm not going to, no, it wasn't Nate. Okay. Kyle, we're not going to go through this right now because it's just, it's messy. It's a messy take in my opinion. Somebody said that. Somebody said that. They might be high on Zach Wilson or something. And I am too.
Starting point is 00:39:10 But here's the thing. I'm higher on Justin Fields. They're high on like dog shit. Okay. Like that's been. They're huffing dog shit. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:20 The tide pods, whatever it is. But I think the bottom line is somebody is going to be thirsty for Justin Fields. Like in Atlanta. And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody's picking late in the first round or in the middle of the first round if. they send a one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Okay. Motherfuckers, people are nodding at me. Ryan Poles is about to be the biggest genius. Whichever way he goes. If he keeps Justin Fields and Justin dominates and they build around him, or if they fleece somebody for a Justin Fields and Caleb Williams. If you're the Atlanta Falcons, Kyle, if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, what I saw yesterday is the reason we might not win the South,
Starting point is 00:39:57 and it's the quarterback. There's other issues for sure. But the quarterback in Atlanta, okay, we've harped on the, this all year long. What do you think that team looks like with Justin Fields under center? Okay. Okay? I mean, like, they're a playoff team and they're, they're actually, if the defense is a little bit, and they've been better lately, but if they have more playmakers on defense, like I actually think they're a pretty good team. The problem is when you say, oh, he's not worth the one. Yeah, but if somebody's willing to pay him, yeah, what's it worth to them? It's, that's what the
Starting point is 00:40:29 market, it's like when a guy gets quote unquote overpaid, he wasn't worth that. Yeah, he's worth whatever the market's willing to pay for them. People thought Christian Kirk was overpaid, but then we saw that just one testicle is worth at least 21 points. Yes. And who are you going to get in the middle of the first round that's going to turn your team around? You better find a Patrick home.
Starting point is 00:40:48 It's the Montez Sweat Discussion. You better find a Patrick home. You had to add Montes Sweat because there wasn't Montes sweat in the draft. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So anyways, we like Justin Fields. Back-to-back wins for Matt Iberthus.
Starting point is 00:41:00 We're rooting for him. And Ibrose at one point is probably saying, hey, perfect world for me, we can trade Justin Fields, and I can still keep my job. But the only way he keeps his job, and I don't know if he could realistically keep his job, but the only way is probably if they win out or come close to it and Justin looks great,
Starting point is 00:41:17 then maybe you see him again, and this defense continues to improve. Because I think that defense is close to being a real thing. And I think that offensive... Top five? A couple players away from being in that conversation. Let's do the top five right now. Well, the chief's the number one for me.
Starting point is 00:41:33 I know people are going to jump on me about the Ravens, but I still think the Chiefs are number one. KC, San Francisco, Baltimore, all in the same category. I know we're forgetting. So Cleveland, but they play much better at home. The Cowboys are in that conversation. Whoever you want to put first, to me, there's no clear number one because the Browns have given up a lot of yards and some games.
Starting point is 00:41:56 You know, I haven't seen the Chiefs have to win a shootout. Dolphins. You know what I mean? The dolphins have played a lot better, and especially if you look at like the dolphins. And the bears are 11 here. So the bears are in this conversation where if you add a couple pieces
Starting point is 00:42:09 and some of these other teams lose a couple pieces, you're a top 10 defense. You could be on the fringe of the top five. I don't want to jump out of the gym for what I'm seeing from the Chicago Bears because Jared Gough, as we mentioned last week, is not an outdoor quarterback. He's 27 in the league in passing rating in those situations
Starting point is 00:42:23 right ahead of Gino in Seattle. But the point is, there is momentum. Under pressure. You're Iber flus. and you do find yourself keeping your job. You might be keeping Justin too, because that's probably the only way, right? You've got to go off the last month of the season.
Starting point is 00:42:40 And they have to, because if they win the last games on their schedule, if they win out, then they have just over a 50% chance to be in the playoffs. They're not mathematically eliminated, but they would need. We're not out of this thing. And it doesn't. I mean, listen, he's just making it hard on the McCaskies. Far cry from a month or two ago watching him go, going into the half saying they need to wrap and tackle better against the chargers.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Like they just look a lot better. And at that point, look how different things are. This is why you can't jump out of the gym on any of this shit. Bejans, the future. Matt Canada is the reason that the Steelers suck. Matt Canada is the reason. Well, I think he is a lot of the reasons the Steelers suck for so long. I think right now not having Kenny Pickett.
Starting point is 00:43:21 I guess it's a culture issue. I think Tomlin needs to get out of town. Wow. Kyle Baum. Well, Kyle, there is an argument for that because... It's called the precedent is, you know, the proof's in the pudding. It's every year there's issues with stars on the roster. It's either who's building that roster.
Starting point is 00:43:37 He would say that too. Who's building the roster? Who's responsible for the behavior and the culture of the roster? I don't know. I mean, ultimately it's Mike Tomlin. So, yeah, you've planted your flag. We'll get into the AFC wildcard racing a little bit. But the Niners, the Niners take care of business.
Starting point is 00:43:54 The Lions falter. The Niners are consistent. They're constant. And they found themselves in a game here. They did. The first fucking play of the, the game. They go 74 yards. Trent reaches the five
Starting point is 00:44:05 effortlessly, like nobody in the game. And all day, he was getting those alleys set up for them on the perimeter. It was like a run clinic for those guys. And it's like that every week. But Seattle, I got to hand it to them. They got so much to be excited about
Starting point is 00:44:21 offensively over the last two weeks. They bit back early. They bit back a media. But it just feels like too little too late for them. You talk about the tie breaks. They don't own with the Rams. You talk about where they are in the NFC wildcar race. Green Bay starting to win. Like, where's Seattle's chances right now? Well, they're always holding Sean McVeigh's pocket.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Seattle's got a day. It's like, yeah. What are we going to do? We got to deal with old Shawnee boy with a gel on his hair up there. Well, no, Sean's not going anywhere. And the Niners aren't going anywhere. And the Seahawks are now, you know, they were double-digit dogs as it stood with Gino as the quarterback before Drew Locke was announced.
Starting point is 00:44:51 Like, at some point, you look up and you say, hey, we've nailed so many things. You know, we spend most of the year blowing these guys about the personnel moves that they make, the guys they draft, Abe Lucas, Cross, they've got two young stud corners, Maffa's playing well, Charbonnet looks great, he's making people miss last night, I mean, like at the second level. Crowds. I mean, making crowds miss.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Making great players miss. And so the point is they've done so much good. They nailed a bridge quarterback, like they found a free agent quarterback in today's NFL that's actually like at one point we were talking about it was an MVP candidate at different points over this year. So. Talk about jumping out of the first. fucking gym. No, but I mean, the point is, the Seahawks have done a lot of good things,
Starting point is 00:45:34 and you're still double-digit dogs twice late in the season to the top of the division foe that's not going to any fucking where. And so the point is, kind of feel hopeless. I don't have an answer for you because, like, what do you do? You hit the reset button. That's a lot to chase. But the bottom line is Drew Locke. I got to give him respect. Drive one, beating the Blitz, going up top to D.K., who's been playing like his hairs on fire the last two weeks on Ambry Thomas. And out of the half, they force a punt. It was good defense, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:04 I would say it was great defense, but it was an even better ball and even better balance to be able to find your feet and get home with the ball. That's what this team should look like all year offensively, but they've had trouble until two weeks ago putting it together. Tell me if I'm wrong, Chris. Yeah. I would say that San Francisco has three quarters of the league beat before they even let them get off the bus.
Starting point is 00:46:26 At this point, I feel that way. The Seattle Seahawks are not one of those three quarters. I feel like... Nobody in division. I feel like in division, particularly this NFC West. This group, for whatever reason, dating back to the Clayton, Missouri, St. Louis, Rams.
Starting point is 00:46:42 Yeah. Or city. It's just infighting. It doesn't matter what the spread is. It doesn't matter who the line is. Who's the quarterback? As we know, St. Louis, it was always somebody else.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Drew Locke can go give you a game. Yeah. I have a lot of, like... And that's Pete Carroll. You want to talk about culture. Yeah. That's fucking Pete Carroll. They got a defensive tackle playing safety out there in Jamal Adams.
Starting point is 00:47:04 He couldn't cover a fucking, you know, single bed with a king-sized blanket. That's good. I don't know how you're going to stick to way on that. But Seattle, I mean, like, they're in a ball game. At one point, at one point, Drew Locke's looking left. He's looking right. He hits Parkinson for a touchdown, and it's like a fucking, they take, they... He's got Parkinson!
Starting point is 00:47:23 They score again, and they fucking, they're going to win this game. And, you know, Purdy just, it was responding. back and forth, lock, Purdy, Purdy, especially with the throw to IUx six minutes left in the third quarter. Go look at that throw. That's what separates him from a game manager. So if you want to talk about you know, Purdy being just
Starting point is 00:47:41 part of the system, no, he's part of the system, but he's plus. And when you look at throws like that or the throw to Debo that's off platform that sets up a touchdown, like he has the freedom to do what he needs to do, and he consistently does that. And the play action set up off the run game, another
Starting point is 00:47:57 reminder, Kittle over Julian Love. You get that flag you're like oh you think it's coming back no it's julian love sprinting downhill uh and they're not even holding the play action long you're just terrified of this front and the backs and then kittles by you and they're just a machine dude you know what you have when you come from a ton of generational wealth and you're probably from one of those foreign lands with an oil derrick outside your backyard yeah you come to the united states you drive a a supercar and you get diplomatic immunity and you get diplomat that sounds good that's what brock purdy has Brock Purdy has generational wealth from Kyle Shanahan's offense and the guys that they've built with John Lynch's presence of mind.
Starting point is 00:48:37 And then he has the keys to the car. He can fuck up anything. Brock Purdy's an oil bear. He threw that ball across body like four weeks ago and everybody winced. And then they caught it and they were like, that was sick. You're saying Brock Purdy's going to go play for live? Brock Purdy has diplomatic immunity as it pertains to the guy plays fearlessly. No, I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:48:55 He knows if he gets pulled over. He's going to look at the cop in his eye and say, this ain't going to be. play for the 49 this ain't gonna end it for me bro i played for the 49ers dip set dip set dip set did you not know what that meant that's what that means no their first one of their albums diplomatic community yep yep one of my one of my favorites that that little do well santana santana am ral rel rome jim jones ah it were awesome you listen to a lot of those i i was a big new york You're a D-block, She-Block. D-block.
Starting point is 00:49:25 I was a huge D-Block fan. I listened to Papp. These are the names, right? I listen to Saigon. Only group the locks. The only group that never broke up, hip-hop group. Because they're the realest group, man. And that's why when Dipset went to, when they did a, what do they call those things during the Pandy that we all used to.
Starting point is 00:49:40 The battles. The battles. The battles. When they did a versus, they mopped the floor with Dipset. Because it was bigger than a versus for the locks. They were a real team. You know, they were like the same. It's ironic that they chose one of the favorite toppings on bagels.
Starting point is 00:49:59 The Jewish community also sticks together. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that the locks have taken a page out of some real winners book. I'm a huge fan of lockas. I'm a huge fan of like all that stuff, bro. I could eat loquas all day.
Starting point is 00:50:12 It's just potatoes. It's potatoes, different take on potatoes. They actually have a podcast and it's like them and like the title and the title I think like them do they really guys. I'm telling you, bro. Sure for sure. Yeah. Oh, we got to get those guys on.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Yeah. Hey, anybody in the locks, especially chic, because I feel like he's got to have played football. He's like 6'5 and he seems cool as shit. Come on the pot. Okay. So let's talk about Chiefs, Bills. What a game. What was it, though?
Starting point is 00:50:43 It was a great game. It was a great game. It was a bullshit call. It was a bullshit call. And like, that's, it's not a bullshit call. Okay, let me explain why it's not a bullshit call. Okay. Temperate.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Kyle. You know, when you had that one teacher in high school that all they wanted to do was fuck you over, they wanted to get on the, you wanted to put you in the parent teacher conference, gets you dead to rights, get you suspended. I led the league in yellow cards when I was a middle schooler. I had 63 in one year tied with William Taylor. Okay? I used to like, all types of shit.
Starting point is 00:51:16 When the teacher would leave, I'd line the desks up, run across the desks, jump into the reading corner. Like shit like that. I was a bad kid. But like when you have that substitute teacher who doesn't understand you, okay, when you got Carl Chaffers in the classroom, when you got the guy that you called a foot locker employee, they called Ruffing the Passer on Chris Jones last year,
Starting point is 00:51:39 you make sure you line the fuck up, you make sure you check with the official. And I totally get it. I think it's the Carl Chaffer's thing that made Patrick and Andy so mad because just a week ago, Patrick and how long can you say this stuff with the way the way? where I receiver room has let you down. They're anti-American.
Starting point is 00:51:56 They don't like Patrick Holmes, Patrick Mahomes. But you know it's even more anti-American, Carl Chaffers, because he's the guy that has been the thorn in their side, and I think that's why they were so pissed off at the end of that game, because it was fucking Carl Chaffers. McGruber, it's cunt! Again. Okay?
Starting point is 00:52:13 So, so like, so in that situation, and I read the transcript after the game, and Carl Chaffer's made some sense here. You're now in business. And you could say Von Miller was off sides a couple of plays. you know, before that or whenever it was. Mitch Schwartz had a really dynamite breakdown about Von Miller not being off-side on the playing question.
Starting point is 00:52:29 If Mitch said it, it couldn't be wrong. I truly believe, I could believe anything Mitch Schwartz says. That's a problem. Well, that's where misinformation starts. But I think Mitch is really smart. I think Mitch is Jeff really smart. It's an unfair allegation. But the breakdown in question about Von being off-sides did paint a good picture for those
Starting point is 00:52:47 at home that maybe see things on the TV and say he's off-sides. Well, he's not directly on the sideline. The angles more square. The blue line versus where Creed Humphrey has the football, things that matter. I get it. I'm willing to bet, though, that some officials might have called that. Now, having said that, you're right. On the very same plays, you got both your tackles out the gate early, which they've consistently been.
Starting point is 00:53:09 So, I mean, listen, at some point, you have to play yourself out of situations where you're depending on the refs to call PI when NBS gets tackled, to not call Tony in this situation. And what Carl Cheffer said, if he looked for a lineman advice, I would have given it to him. No warning is required if you're lined up so far over the ball that I can't see it. Okay? And that's the rare moment where the ref breaks character and he's like, dude, just line the fuck up. Okay, we're not talking about this. And Tony has costing two games now.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Sky Moore, this whole group, the drops. It has been a thing. If it wasn't Tony, I would say it's on the line judge to say, hey, man, back up. And he also doesn't know where that call is going to land. It's not like he knows that the greatest play maybe ever at Arrowhead is going to transpire. We were robbed of that play on the day that. I'm not trying to throw anyone else under the bus, but Travis Kelsey and whoever's on the other side of them,
Starting point is 00:54:05 can't they see that like he's up too far when you're lining up in that bunch? Like I think you can kind of notice like, yo, bro, back up a little bit. But that's not, it's not, it shouldn't be anybody's job. You know what I mean? You have so many things to worry about. No, it's not the quarterback's job. A lot to see that shit. Not the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:54:20 The assignment. It's not the quarterback cannot see. the depth of the receivers. The quarterback goes like this. Quarterbacks do that. How many times do we see quarterbacks line up and they tell guys go like this? That's going motion. That's not line up correctly. The refs are the ones. Sometimes he may see, so
Starting point is 00:54:33 you're supposed to have one guy on the ball, one guy off the ball. You want Patrick to wipe his ass to? So you get a guy in motion and he gets to his final destination but he's supposed to be off the ball. A quarterback can see that if he's in the slot or if he's wide, hey get off the ball, get on the ball. Other receivers help. But if he's
Starting point is 00:54:49 in line, like where Cadarius Tony was, outside in the tackle box. He can't even see that. He can't see the depth. He can't see the depth. He can put him there laterally. You can't see the depth there. It's this wide receiver room. I can't remember a room. They don't know where the line of scrimmage is anymore. How can they help? I can't remember a room. No, I'm going to say to tight in. No, but I'm telling you in a tight end. No, but I'm telling you in addition. I mean, but we're grasping for straws trying to blame anybody but Tony. I'm trying to explain to him. No, no, no, I'm not talking to you. Okay, we. But the point is, it's the royal we as as fans too. Like if somebody wants to say, hey, like, like, Like, you know, he's off sides, dude. You know, you just need to line up on sides. And I can't remember a room on a team with championship aspirations in the recent future of the history of the NFL that's been more of an impediment to them getting where they want to go. Like this team is the same team as last year in a lot of ways.
Starting point is 00:55:41 They're down a safety. They've had trouble at linebacker. But in my opinion, that defense, you saw them in the second half of that game. They're fucking nails in those situations. They figured out, you know, bills come out in 20. 12 personnel. They're getting 7 yards of pop because King Cade and both those guys are back. In the second half, they come out, it's 2-2. It's 2-2 a play, three punts, 12 plays for the bills, and you felt it. I turned to Nolan and I'm like, this is the Chiefs. When Arrowhead
Starting point is 00:56:09 gets tight and you can feel like they're the team, that's not going to make the mistake. Josh throws a pick. I've seen it. And that defense being who they are, that's what makes me believe that they can still do this. But this wide receiver room, we'll keep. kill you down the stretch. And they have made, they've played them into the pack where they don't have home field advantage as an automatic, which is a travesty because they can beat anybody at home. They can beat anybody in the road. But now this team can lose to anybody too. And that's the home or away. And that's when you're when you're scoring 21 points a game because you miss opportunities, that is leaving money on the table. And so why is Sky more on the field?
Starting point is 00:56:46 Why is Tony on the field with the game on the line? Why is Clyde Edwards a lair getting the ball in this game. A lot of people are paying attention to the wide receivers. This was a Jerich McKinnon game. And when he came in the game, they moved the ball. He produced. Their offense was more dynamic with him in the game. I know you feel like you have an advantage in the run game, just lining up and pounding it. But Clyde Edwards-Hillair does not give you that upside that McKinnon does. And he handcuffs you. And so my thing is like all these issues. And Clyde, great screen pass last night. Like, he's part of the offense. But if you're going to line up and run the ball, give us some creativity. of looks. I think
Starting point is 00:57:22 McKinnon's better. When they get Pacheco back, if they have Pacheco, they win this game. I was just about to ask you that. Do you think Pacheco not having him is... He kills him. Yeah. Oh, but he's the spark plug of their offense. And on the other side, cooks, cooks is really good for them. He's been really good. Cook. Cucs
Starting point is 00:57:38 has been raised singular cook. He's been really good. Just one chef. It's just one chef. We don't want too many cooks in the kitchen. We just want one cook in the kitchen. And he's getting the job done. And, you know, like I talked about the Kansas City defense. I talked about how much they tightened up. I didn't talk about this. Chris Jones running through McGovern late in the game. Like Carloptus has a sack. Like they're starting to do the things
Starting point is 00:57:58 they need to do. But the chiefs waste these possessions. The rush on Spencer Brown on the hold? Yes. I was like, he's just so strong. I was like I've been Spencer Brown in that position before. But the chiefs, dude, I'm pulling my hair out because at some point, you know, these games where they had to battle back like Green Bay, like this game, they get these possessions where they get it tight and then they waste possessions and you know I talked about the the chief's defense let's talk about the bills defense okay after the Eagles game they ranked 31st in the league and third downs late in the game uh ahead or I had one score or tied chiefs went over three on third down when they showed that in the stat line yeah when Tony was like oh and the chiefs with a lead
Starting point is 00:58:41 you know Jim was like the chiefs Tony with a lead yeah Tony he's like oh not too good Jim For the Bills fans here. I don't know, Jam. It was like a Rick and Morty dial. Maybe I'll throw it to Richie James. But the point is, the Bill's defense is playing better, and the key to this whole thing is Josh Allen. We've talked about this game for five minutes.
Starting point is 00:59:03 I don't think I've said his name once, but he is the reason that I feel like if they slide in, they're as dangerous as anybody in the AFC, and nobody's going to want to see him. Because if they slide in, that's going to mean they're going to have beaten Dallas at home, or Miami on the road and the way I think this goes is like can you imagine week 18 all the marbles going out of Miami Miami maybe playing for home field I like the bills
Starting point is 00:59:28 chances yeah even with the guys they have on the field Josh Allen that play he made on third and eight he's dead to rights there's maybe one other quarterback in the league that can make something out of that situation he's on the other sideline that's it okay and this motherfucker going Jan Sport with four people on his back at the four yard line that's what that's what separates Josh Allen at his best from everybody in the league and so people are down on Josh we have seen what a changing coordinator does for them Joe Brady taking advantage of the 12 personnel doing a great job in the first half getting them that lead and then late in the game those conversions they're on Josh and Josh just will break your back I mean the first first touchdown of
Starting point is 01:00:09 the game this offense is clicking you know they're going jet motion and it was ugly it was scary at the beginning. It was scary. I went in the shower. I got home right before the game, saw it begin, and then there was 14 nothing. I was like, I'm going to put Frankie down. And then after that, it was a ball game. But I was scared in that shower. And I blame, I blame CBS. I blame CBS, because they held us hostage. They did. You want to talk about Army, Navy guys getting held hostage? I was getting held hostage. Like, I felt like there was a fucking... The whole first quarter, right? I was watching the last 15 minutes of that game with multiple stoppages and people are sliding me a bowl of food under like a through a metal hole in the wall.
Starting point is 01:00:50 That's how I felt watching that game. And the fucking the chiefs and the bills are like off. And when it came time and you get it, the chiefs are already down. It's because the scheme, the script, the way they come out in these games, they look way better early in games. And that first touchdown, Edwards jumps the jet motion in the flat because Josh will turn and pitch it off and Edwards is biting hard. And that's how they made that first place. So scheme is giving them a lead in a game like this, whereas before I just didn't, I didn't have confidence in it. And now you got a scheme and a quarterback. They built that, they built that play that Edwards bit bit on. When Cook came out last week, Edwards came in. First play that he came
Starting point is 01:01:30 in, they threw one of those tunnel jet screens that Edwards hit it like a bad out of hell. And I have to believe that Joe Brady's like, hey guy. This guy's ready for the swing pass. Watch this. And that's what I like about Joe Brady. He's a guy. who's going to try to give you chances. He's going to try to give you big chances. You don't need to do that with spread formation. 12 personnel is awesome. It's that sweet spot between protection and options.
Starting point is 01:01:54 You get Josh Allen. And what I have written down here, free runners do not equal sacks. Not with Josh. I saw Nick Bolton run free. And if you know Nick Bolton, he's built like a 500 pound pile of fucking bricks. And he can move and he can tackle extremely well. He got to Josh. He hit Josh clean.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Josh bounces off and is able to evade. That's the type of play that can break the back of a defense. When a defense has an opportunity, has it drawn up correctly, your free runner gets there, you've got to get the quarterback down. And when you don't, things break down in a fucking hurry. Your best calls. Spags is like, I'm saving this call. Or some de-coordinator, you know, it could be in the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:02:35 It could be McDonald. You're like, I've been saving this pressure up and we hit it clean, and he can erase that pressure. And then put you in the hole because now you're down. numbers and so you know when you rank quarterbacks in this league be careful putting some guys ahead of Josh Allen who can't move and who cannot handle the rush because half the game now if you haven't noticed is guys not only evading the rush but saying fucking healthy enough to play because half the quarterbacks in the league are on the sideline and this guy continues to be like a brick wall
Starting point is 01:03:04 and it's falling apart a little bit in Kansas City but I'm not jumping I'm not jumping off the bandwagon so to speak I really do believe that when you got one of the best coaches in in the history of the game, one of the best quarterbacks in the history of the game, one of the best defense in the league this year. I'd rather be in their situation than Jacksonville. I'd rather be in their situation than Miami because Miami hasn't beaten anybody. If Miami starts beating people, they're better. They're better than the Chiefs.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Okay, I'd rather be in their situation than Baltimore's. Like sneaky Baltimore thing we're going to talk about is they're still working through Mark Andrews. Okay, that's a hole. That's a hole there, okay? And also, like, part of it is just, I believe what I believe. And I think that they'll be okay, but what it looks like, the path they have to go on because of Tony and because of these guys, it might be on the road. Two things can I say to finish this Chief's thing. And I'll let you finish, but I want to just get this out before I forget.
Starting point is 01:03:54 Still very concerned about the Chief's ability to protect with five, particularly at the tackle position. I don't think that Patrick has felt truly comfortable all year back there. That's because of who's out there running routes also in conjunction with who is protecting his edges. And then I said the lateral play, we missed truly. one of the great tip-of-the-cap moments in sports yesterday with Travis Kelsey's catch and subsequent chess pass to Cadarius Tony, not only because of the magnitude of that game and the moment and the rivalry between those two teams, but because of the passing of Frank Whitechak, the Music City miracle. Yeah, no question. The tight end who threw the perfect jump pass across the
Starting point is 01:04:35 field. That was shades of Whitechek last night with Travis Kelsey, and it was a shame, obviously, that Cadarius lined up off sides and we got to miss that. And Kyle, for that reason and I didn't even think about the Y-Cech thing, like that would have been poetic, but, you know, we are robbed of it because of... Frank was up there going, fuck! Yeah, no, I mean, like...
Starting point is 01:04:53 Frank was like, man, that's the... I couldn't have done any better myself. And, you know, like, I've also, since we're pausing here, like, one of my good friends, Tom Sannie, who grew up in Nashville, new Frank and Jeff Fisher reached out to him last night. Like, the things that people said about Frank Whitechick, he's just the type of guy. you'd want to play with and um and obviously uh leaves a huge hole in uh Tennessee Titans
Starting point is 01:05:17 fans hearts and guys that play with them and guys that coached him and so rest and peace god's goal line package just got a lot better a lot better dude a lot better and that team seems a lot more fun to be on because the way it sounded he was a great teammate um did you see the fucking drop ceiling falling down while Chris Jones was talking to the media can you show me this like such a metaphor for what's going on in Kansas City right now. No, I didn't see the way he walked out. Hilarious.
Starting point is 01:05:44 You're sitting there. Chris Jones is saying whatever he's saying. Like, fuck. In the locker room. No. No. In the podium. Media room. And all of a sudden you hear something hit the ground and there's guys ducking and I'm like,
Starting point is 01:05:54 what the fuck is going on? The buildings fall in the park robber falls through the ceiling. Like one of those white drop ceiling things? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. That's where we used to hide liquor bottles in high school.
Starting point is 01:06:04 We had the drop ceiling down in the chamber. I used to hide liquor in my, my liver. In your liver. But it was funny about the drop ceilings was when mom and dad got the game room redone. They had to take the ceiling out, and I was in college, and they found a bunch of Myers-Rum. And they were like, are we good?
Starting point is 01:06:23 Do you have an issue? Did you have an issue? No, you just shouldn't have dropped ceilings. You can hide shit up there. Boys will be boys. Okay, so anyways, we'll talk about the Ravens. What do you think about Patrick's reaction after the game? I just think it's Carl Chaffers.
Starting point is 01:06:38 No, no, but I'm talking about, let's get away from the humor for a second. It's not humor. And Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes go and they shake hands at the end of the game. And he says something about that all the time. Now, I'm friends with Patrick, and I have the utmost of respect. I think he's one of the toughest, most competitive people will ever see play the game. I thought in that moment he was wrong. I don't care.
Starting point is 01:06:58 I thought in that moment you got to dapp Josh Allen up and say, I'll fucking, I can't wait to play it. Maybe he said that, and we didn't see it. Nope. So what did he say? The greatness of Patrick. Give me the exact transcript. Don't look at your phone. Tell me what he said.
Starting point is 01:07:12 He was voicing. What a play. I've never seen like a call like that, right? I mean, that's what I'd be saying. I believe it too. Would we not be saying the same thing? I believe it too. I would just, I would probably just be like, good game.
Starting point is 01:07:25 I just hugged you after double doing. You did, but had you said, fuck it. I don't think I said anything about Parky. Well, we did. What do you mean? And I didn't. I know, but had you said it, this is the point. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Had you said it. I would have been like, yeah, right. You could have forever had that in their back pocket. I get that. But I just think that the media's reaction to all, we understand his emotion. We understand that's part of what makes Patrick Mahomes great. Yeah. I fail to realize that he is human at some time.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Yeah, he's a fucking human. And I am a buddy of his, but I'm also a fan. And when I watch that, and I have the utmost of respect for Josh Allen as a competitor as well, I just, I think they owe it to each other to compartmentalize in that moment and say, I'll fucking see you in January. Yeah. But that, but that,
Starting point is 01:08:12 I think it's worse, the how, the, ho hold me back on the sideline. They really were holding them back. But still, but if you let him go, what the hell is he going to do?
Starting point is 01:08:22 Maybe he beat somebody up. Cut it the fuck out. Maybe he beat somebody up. This is one of these things that like is a talking point. Patrick Mahomes is, is, you know, I,
Starting point is 01:08:33 you know, I think what it is, it's the same thing with LeBron. Everyone lives LeBron. I'm a huge. I'm a huge LeBron fan, but LeBron complains about foul. Not even close. And ticky-tacks stuff.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Not even close. I think as a fan. Because he does it in a thousand times. No, I'm just saying because you think he's the goat. Like, I think that's cringy. I don't think he should, even if he's validated. I'd be interested. For me, when you're watching a lot of people like Patrick Mahomes,
Starting point is 01:08:57 and we haven't seen him in the media in this light. And it's someone where we always say he's on the other side of the spectrum when it comes to getting calls, especially at the end of game. So to see him act this way when a call was made the right way, it wasn't like it was a, it was the right call. I also think, like,
Starting point is 01:09:16 I also think somebody on the sideline might have said, because you have to realize it, he doesn't have, he's not looking at the, the thing. I could see him still coming off the field, like, not knowing what happened.
Starting point is 01:09:27 And so somebody on the sidelines like, dude, it was tiki tag. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, and that's going to set me off because you trust your guys.
Starting point is 01:09:34 But still, it's the rollover, bro. I'd like to see. I'd love to suspend him. Look, no, no, no, no. Look, you go into the locker room and then you sit down, like, you know, they give us that time period. You're supposed to cool down. But for him to say what he said, it just makes you look like a sore loser in the moment.
Starting point is 01:09:51 No, he's just such a competitor. He's a competitor. I've seen guys mad at calls before. I mean, like, and I'm consistent with this. Hear me out. If I respect you and your body of work and who you are as a man and a teammate and he's always been accountable, Last week he said when NBS got tackled He's like hey it just is what it is
Starting point is 01:10:08 But every man has a breaking point I guess in his breaking point He should I would have much rather him Through fucking Tony under the bus I would have much rather that Like in that moment because he's endured Because we would have been having a statement About throwing teammates under the bus
Starting point is 01:10:21 Well it's just one of those things Him Patrick Mahom he has endured so much With just Cadarius Tony That like I would have understood it I would have understood it more than him Doing what he did It's possible to say unless you're in that situation. I agree with you.
Starting point is 01:10:36 I agree with you. Because it has been a tough year. It's kind of, no, it has. And like we all can see that's probably like what was the trickle down for all this is the breaking point of Dan. I got people. Here, you guys are feeding people in the chat. Should have just dapped him up and kept it pushing.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Save the commentary for the podium. What the fuck are you talking about? You have no idea what he. I wonder. Hold on. You have no idea what his relationship with Josh is. You have no fucking clue. There are two guys that are going to talk about this game for you.
Starting point is 01:11:03 years and I would not blame Pat for being like yeah y'all got let off the hook with that this is like woods and it doesn't go away and he's not giving him his due it's not like two head coaches don't like each other they love they respect each other they just played a game of pickup with everything on the line yeah and it is totally natural to acknowledge the way you lost that come down to a call you guys are over-analyzing shit you need a tv show you guys you need a youtube chris you were you were there at the the uh the grim reaper game where there was 13 seconds and Josh Allen never got a chance to go. I never paid attention to the DAP-up that happened after that game because in a similar fashion.
Starting point is 01:11:41 What if Josh said, I wish I had another chance there. Oh, fuck Josh. Yeah, I mean, now that I'm getting more perspective on, I still feel the way I feel. Patrick's competitive. I'm like, what are we talking about? Well, then we don't have to talk about it. No, no, no. We're talking about Patrick Mahomes saying that the refs should not have made the right call
Starting point is 01:12:02 because it was an amazing play that's robbing you okay that's the podium that's the podium but we're talking about the post game and being held back and the post I know it's all bro at the podium once you've seen the play I would have personally been like that's what I mean okay well like you have time to send you bring it up in a different conversation not the conversation can you pass me those cookies that my wife made the Aaron Rogers conversation you pass me those cookies I got to sweeten up this it's getting salty over it was not no no I'm not to what's the sum of of talking about Patrick Mahomes' character after that game. No, it's not. Not, not. I mean, well, he just seemed like a sore losing. Like you said, when you're being a competitor, it's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:12:43 But you can't deny, like, in that moment, he was being a whiny sore loser. And, like, it happened. Are you drafting Caleb? No. It happened. Oh, he's a whiner too. Bro, I talked about that, too.
Starting point is 01:12:55 I don't like that. That whole thing, too. Oh, I went home and cried with my dog. I don't like that shit either. What the next thing. I'm just saying, bro. Let him go. So don't draft him.
Starting point is 01:13:03 Draft Drake May. Drake May is nice, bro. Okay, fake May. UVA beat him. Yeah, UVA beat him. Clipped this. What about this next year? So the Ravens, okay?
Starting point is 01:13:14 Yep. They are a good football team, but I just want to say this. They are adjusting to Mark Andrews. I do worry about this offense in certain. They scored 37, and they're still adjusting, but it's true. No, but okay, how did they score 37? They score with a punt return. they had an Odell shot.
Starting point is 01:13:33 Two blown coverages. Yeah, but I mean, that's what I'm saying. 37 points for a team that truthfully is still figuring out what to do without their biggest checkdown. Yeah. It's scoring 37 points. No, it's great. And you do have to take into account that they are playing the Rams on the back end with a bunch of guys
Starting point is 01:13:49 that really have played above themselves all season. Did you hear what Odell said? What did he say? He said, that was a great play, but I definitely ran the wrong route. So even hearing that, it's just like. Odell. Yeah, well, a little TMI there, right? But the point is, I'm not down on the Ravens.
Starting point is 01:14:04 The Ravens are a really good fucking football team. I will say this. You know, I've gotten chastised for questioning that they're the best defense in the league. Like, unless the Rams are that good, which I think they're pretty good, they had a couple of the best drives I've seen all season. Like just, like vintage, great quarterback dual stuff
Starting point is 01:14:22 where they had to answer each other. And Puka and Cooper and those guys were carving these guys up. And they ran the ball. You mentioned they came out and ran the ball seven straight times. Was it nine or seven? Seven. Seven or nine. It's all the same thing. It's like a fucking, hey, fuck you guys. It's raining. You guys are supposed to have the advantage?
Starting point is 01:14:38 We're going to run the road. Let me set the stage for you. You're in the hotel the night before the game. You've been in these defensive meetings. In the defensive meetings, what do they show you? They show you formations. They show you third down stuff. In the offensive meetings, they say this is what we're going to do. This is the last thing that they do in the meetings for the offense. This is our first 15.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Everybody, everybody pull out your pens and get ready to write this shit down. And then Sean McVeigh rattled off nine straight running plays. And the offensive line looked around and said, yeah, you know what? If we are going to get in a fucking fist fight with these guys, let's really commit to it. That's what I like about Sean McVeigh, bro. That's why the Rams have a chance every week. Because we think about the Rams, we think about Matt Stafford, Pooka Nakuwa Cooper Cup, when in reality, it's the guys up front.
Starting point is 01:15:20 It's Sean McVeigh matching the style of the fight to the opponent. And against the Ravens, they came out short at the end. But my God, putting up 31 on the road in Baltimore in the element, it's cool. I'm looking at the chat a little bit. I mean, guys, maybe the same guy. Guess I'm tainted by my 20 years of Brady not doing that. Are you fucking kidding me right now?
Starting point is 01:15:42 I literally texted somebody and said, this is his Brady moment. Buddy, that's Brady. And I love Brady anyways because he hates to fucking lose. Brady used to kick guys. Brady did some of the dirtiest shit you've seen quarterbacks do. And I'm not up here on my soapbox about it. Like, worse than Patrick. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 01:16:00 me. 100% watch ball, dude. Watch fucking ball. Hey, what you find out. You're a Taylor Swift fan.
Starting point is 01:16:06 No. I'm a Patrick Mahomes fan. I'm a Josh Allen fan. I got people in here going, people in here going, look at how Josh Depp Mahomes after the 13th seconds game.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Josh is a cooler dude than Pat. All this tells me is that you guys are mad about something with Patrick's Holmes. I don't want to make any guesses. Yep. But I think we both know
Starting point is 01:16:25 what I'm talking about. Okay. Ravens, back to the Rams. The Rams are a good fucking football team and I want to give McVe credit because they've done this with a lot of guys that you didn't think you can count on but special teams heard him you got a lot of young guys on special teams eventually that bites you the coverages that you blow that bites you I don't know how he stayed up on that return on the return yeah no I thought he was going to hit the
Starting point is 01:16:49 sideline and then when he fell forward it was like toddlerish where they gained their balance and you're like wow kids are flexible that guy was unbelievable balance there that was the classic you got the LA Rams plus seven which we had and it's overtime and for a second as he's running you're thinking oh money line's dead oh no is it all dead you know and then you remember in overtime they don't kick so thank the Lord for that but the Rams served to be commended Pook is ahead of Garrett Wilson's rookie yardage and he's he's gunning for Jemar Chase level as a rookie it's no longer just people don't know him I think he's actually pretty good yeah it's no longer people don't know. Was that just a scare that whole him walking out and that injury thinking everyone
Starting point is 01:17:32 thinking that he broke his collar bone? I think he's tough. That had to be like just a scare though. Like would you think like at the the worst it's like fractured a little bit or something? I don't know. It just seemed weird the way he went out. I don't know man. Guys can play with that stuff. Yeah. I mean, you know, collarbone's really painful. I've cracked my sternum and had to play the next week. But like he's still making like having the ball open. I think I have a germ fracture. Yeah. You do right now. Right now. You think when did you do it? Golf. You fractured your sternum golfing. Either that or my rib ripped something out of my
Starting point is 01:18:02 It's probably cartilage or something. It's been like six months. Yeah, I did it. This right here. I did it. I was trying to tackle Adrian Peterson, and I slid down the back of his leg trying to catch him behind,
Starting point is 01:18:13 and his cleat went right into my sternum. The anti-hip dropped you. You know, and then the next week, I think whoever my coach was was like, you got to practice Wednesday. We're going to build you a blue pad, and we're going to put it at like a blue foam pad here it tapes into my so you know like poca can come back from stuff like this and blue pad and i think for
Starting point is 01:18:33 the ravens you look at like you look at who they are the run game is going to keep them in it while they figure this out and some people are going to kill me for saying they're figuring things out without andrews watch that chargers game you know i talked about this at length like when they came out in two tight-end sets or when they had like traditional tight-end sets that they built they weren't running the ball with authority you know because you're putting pat record at the why or you've got this other dude who's just a dude, and then you don't like Isaiah likely in there, so you split him out. So they do have to work through some things. But I want to credit their offensive coordinator and Monk in like, you know, this is three
Starting point is 01:19:08 games in a row that you've had to hit this thing on the fly, and I think they've showed a lot of different elements that I didn't know they were ready to. They had to hit it from different angles, Nate. That's what she said. Yeah, Nate. So this was one of the games of the year. I mean, a lot of fun. and the Ravens, a lot of big balls to hang on.
Starting point is 01:19:28 But look at the other two teams from the NFC that you thought were high-powered offense came in here. The way they looked, the Rams are different, right? They're playing well. And, you know, people coming to this game were like, oh, if you just look at the stats, Ravens, tons of sacks, the Rams,
Starting point is 01:19:42 you get this bad taste in your mouth because a bunch of guys up front that you don't know and early in season staffers getting killed, but they've done a better job blocking. How do you feel if you're Aaron Donnell and you never sack Lamar Jackson? He was so close.
Starting point is 01:19:54 and you're so close and you kind of know that, like, I'm not going to be playing for so much longer, but to have someone like that and see him get so close, like, as a player, like, what are you thinking about? You kind of know that in the back of your head,
Starting point is 01:20:07 like, hey, I've never sacked this guy before. I mean, it kills you because he's sacked every other human being alive, I feel like, and, you know, like Lamar's the toughest one. I mean, I feel like he would like that pelt on the wall. But with the game alive. Is Lamar the hardest sack? Has to be one. In the league right now,
Starting point is 01:20:22 I'd probably least like to row. That's what I think. No, but honestly, I'd like to rush Josh because I'll always take a bigger guy that'll hold the ball longer. I got you. When Lamar's out, he's out, and I ain't catching him. I just hate that Josh can have you on it on you. Like, on top of him and do that flip shit.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Yeah. Like, he's strong enough to do that flip shit on the way down. He's so strong, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, let's talk about the Jags because the Jags are interesting. I mean, like, they're not, they are Jags. Kyle? I got a hot take for you.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Okay. I feel better about the Jags this week than I did two days ago. Me too. Because they went to Cleveland and they scored about 30 points, okay? Like, look at what Cleveland has given up at home defensively. They are the best defense in the league at home. 11 points a game, 12 points a game? I mean, like, yeah, something like that.
Starting point is 01:21:13 And they came out and it wasn't that you weren't good enough. Your defense is not good enough in general, right? you down Kirk you don't have a run game but the reason you lost is the picks you know it's it and and I thought you could chalk this game up to being you know Trevor Lawrence being unhealthy but all week the question is is he hurt and I've had a high ankle you guys might have had a high ankle before it feels like you broke your leg and so when it first happened I could see why he reacted the way he reacted and then as the week goes on I'm like he might be pretty fucking tough because it is hard to come back that first week off a high ankle as the week goes as the week goes as the week
Starting point is 01:21:50 week goes. You know, my first week with that thing, I could not walk all week. Then we shoot it up Sunday and I go out and it's like a cinder block. You can't feel it. The only time you feel it is when it feels like there's a bolt of lightning in your shoe. But high ankle, there's a range. You know, it goes from a low high to like a tightrope, you know, and it's literally millimeters. How far up is it? It's like 10 millimeters up. Is it, where's that little micro tear or whatever? And I think for him, it's probably lower. Because as I saw him this week, I thought they were playing some sort of mind games when they trotted him off the bus first. They're bouncing them around in Indy right next to the cameras. No, he just looked good.
Starting point is 01:22:28 Like during the game, that first third and three where he tucked it, I was like, oh, he looks good. Then he got sacked on a blitz by the ankles. And I'm like, that's going to hurt. He didn't get up slow. He mixed toky talkie, he was running right at him. He bails out of the pocket. He dumps over his head. I'm like, oh, he's pretty good. There was a scramble before a fourth down that they didn't get late in the game on like third and 12. And that's where I decided this fucking guy looks good. The dot to Ingram on the sideline looks good. The third and six touchdown late looks good.
Starting point is 01:22:55 This guy's fine. So everything's in front of you. He's OK-dok before, though. He had an injury earlier on the season. He went out and he had his season high rushing. He got 55 yards. He's the possum king, dude. He is.
Starting point is 01:23:07 Do you think it's possum or do you think that maybe like since like me and you played in the league that maybe like the medical and like the recovery stuff for some of the injuries that we're used to. seeing guys having to sit out is maybe like it's being i think we made too much of the injury i think his reaction i think you can be really tough and resilient i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think of Trevor lawrence is as tough a fucking quarterback as there as in a league i got a lot of respect for him up on your ankle but when it happens in the moment and i also have a conspiracy theory that maybe his knee got hurt a little bit too because that's something that's been and maybe
Starting point is 01:23:40 the ankle in the knee and it's just general like what the fuck just happened and then you're seeing they don't get the card and he looks terrible walking off This guy's really tough. The problem is the picks, right? And where they threw them, when they threw them, and the fact that they got 14 points off Cleveland turnovers, but canceled it out giving it back, 14 points off their turnovers. And this is the problem.
Starting point is 01:24:02 14-0, it's first 10, first and 10. You throw a deep ball. I understand you want to get back in the game, but there's pick one. Okay, the second one, Lawrence and Ridley, they're off, like in the red zone. Trevor's saying turn around. Like, I kind of believe Trevor there. Because really can get right. Every now and then you get a little bit.
Starting point is 01:24:21 It's 2114. You're in an awful spot to take a shot on third and one. The dagger was the one. That's the, but hold on. That's the worst fucking call of the game. It's third and one. You're down a touchdown. You take a shot.
Starting point is 01:24:33 No. That's a terrible call. Matt Canada. It's a terrible call. It was a Steelers Thursday night football. It's a terrible call. Awful. Matt Canada, the ghost of Matt Canada is still up there.
Starting point is 01:24:44 But terrible. And you know, like Cleveland, four of 18 on third down, but converted on fourth down when it mattered, and that big fourth and three, the man-beater. They have a man-beater. I watch teams all the time in short-yarded situations that don't have a fucking man-beater. David Bell, who is that? He got somebody to fall down. The inventor of the telephone. Vansky has a man-beater, and that goes for a touchdown. And so that's the game. And then in the middle of it. They ice it with a Hopkins field goal from 55 yards. And really what happens is you run out of time because these short conversions. I remember one point Cleveland had the ball eight minutes to go and you're
Starting point is 01:25:25 trying to get it back. They convert on a DTR sweep on third and one. They put DTR in the game. They convert. They go fourth and one, hunt behind Teller. And that eats four or five minutes off the clock. And then you run out of possessions. And then you're onside kicking in the whole thing. So like when it matter. Cleveland got the conversions. And I just thought this was a game where you had to steal points off turnovers and you did, but then you gave them right back. But stealing points off turnovers, that's the point I want to make here. And that's about it for this game. The dagger for Jackson was a Lawrence pick inside their own 20 to Craig Newsom. Third on the day. He was just trying to get rid of it. Pressure in the face. He was trying to give his guy a chance, but he sailed it.
Starting point is 01:26:06 I mean, you're just trying to create points at the end of the game. Look to an immediate touchdown by the Browns. And the point is, good team score. points, great team score points off turnovers immediately. Yeah. And when it often comes on the field after a turnover, with the opportunity to put that knife in the neck, and they're like, let's get this thing done. Travis D says, Chris can't give Dallas any credit.
Starting point is 01:26:26 Can you put your fucking hearing aid in? We did that. We did it for like 10 minutes. I gave Dak the MVP. I ran down all the reasons that they're playing so well. I said Jerry looks young. I said Mike looks skinny. Jerry looks young.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Then beat the 49ers when you play them. don't piss down your leg, okay? Trevor D. You know, when you do this, if you hear a ringing, that means the hearing aids on. So just try that. Okay, so anyways, we're talking about the Browns.
Starting point is 01:26:53 This is the second week in a row that they have a fire script, and they end up with an open dude, totally uncovered for a touchdown drive one, and that was the way they had to win this game, because once they get up on you, especially at home, that's a tough script for the other team.
Starting point is 01:27:07 And I think with Joe Flacco, who was just named the starter, they have enough to make noise. Now, they had the Dewan Jones injury. He's out for the year. That's a big deal. Their depth has been tremendous for them. But Kevin Stefanski, they could have 10 wins because they still have two games against relative
Starting point is 01:27:23 cupcakes at home, 45 throws for Joe Flacco. You might end up with 10 wins on a team that started four quarterbacks. And, you know, like the play action was working for him yesterday. The Injoku touchdown in the second quarter, I think he just runs by Devin Lloyd. I think Devin Lloyd had a tough day at the office. He's a freak show, dude. Lloyd? No.
Starting point is 01:27:44 And Joku. He might be as valuable to his team as almost anybody. Yesterday I tweeted, David, Todd, Heep, and Joku. That's good. That's good. He had nine catches, 90 yards. I was in a time machine, and nobody liked it. And I was like, you just don't understand you had to be there.
Starting point is 01:28:03 But especially relative to what they do. Like, they're going to need the tight end in that situation for the scheme and tight down. I can't tell if it's in Joku and his value or just the fact that Szafansky is scheming up these screens and these these leakouts that that kill teams and and I just want to give Stefanski a lot of credit because although they did the thing with Deshaun and I kind of was down on that team, it's nice to be able to root for the Browns because Joe Flack is the quarterback and three weeks ago he's on the couch the secondary is one of the best units in the game
Starting point is 01:28:34 and I've got a futures on them. Yeah you got a futures. We think about the front okay they're really good but the secondary I think is the big reason they've been able to win eight games with four quarterbacks and down their best two offensive players. They were down Thornhill and Ward yesterday, and still, they're just lights out and taking the ball away. Again, they play the Jets and the Bears at home. They could win 10 games. Miles Garrett had the shoulder pop a couple weeks ago, and then he had two weeks with no production. He had one week with no tackle, zero production, but you and I have both had shoulders before. Nate, I'm sure you have. The first few weeks are the worst where it feels like you have extra room
Starting point is 01:29:08 in your shoulder. You can't stand. stabilize it, you can't lock it in, you don't want to use it, it feels like it's falling out. But after the first month, that thing starts to tighten down. You get the scar tissue. I'm thinking that he finds a second wind here physically towards the end of the season. I'm not sure how much he's dealt with in terms of shoulder injuries, but if this is his first one, he'll come back swinging. You also figure that like freaks in nature that can do everything better than us in hermortals,
Starting point is 01:29:34 they regenerate well. You know, and the Trevor Lawrence, Miles Garrett. Yeah, no, Trevor's a freak. too and you know like good for him going out there and all I'm saying about the jaggs I'm not trying to zag super hard but I thought their season might be over um when he went down and the way it played out this week even going to lose in this game this is a game you might have lost anyways it had nothing do with the injury you know what I mean the browns are built at home it just is what it is and your defense is fucking uninspiring dude it's just uninspiring you know like play action from the start
Starting point is 01:30:07 These guys were just stuck in place or running downhill because they're just not confident. They're stressed in every direction. And the front, I mean, you know, I made noise about Josh Allen. He's great. But, you know, Trayvon came on a little bit. They got the guys got to win. AFC playoff race. We talked about the Browns.
Starting point is 01:30:25 Matt, what do you think the magic number is to get in in the wild card race? Ten and in. So I have the Browns is in because the way they're playing, unless this DeWan Jones thing is a huge deal. I think that they're going to find themselves in the playoffs and a tough out. Home game against the Bears, home game against the Jets. That should do it. Yeah, and they got two games outside of that they could win. Watch out of the Jets now.
Starting point is 01:30:48 Yeah, watch out for the Jets. Okay, we're going to talk about them. But I think the Ravens, the Dolphins, the Chiefs, and I really do think the Jags figure out how to win the division and they do it. And then from there, it's because when you look at their division, Indy looked very mortal yesterday. They had a chance to win. They didn't get the win.
Starting point is 01:31:07 you know if you look at Houston i'll just say this about houston and then i'm going to zoom out and talk about jack wilson a little bit Houston without the guys they had on the field yesterday shultz um you know without tank del without nico collins from a point they looked like a quarterback with a bad setup and isn't it crazy it was the brice young how that reminds you that you should not and i'm not saying take anything away from c j trout because i think he is him but him looks that way when him and him and him are missing, him looks that way. Him looks like he. Him looks like he or whatever you want to say.
Starting point is 01:31:44 But when you look at Carolina, you look at some of these other situations and listen, I don't watch Carolina like that. I got to watch him yesterday and some people are already out on Bryce or whoever the quarterback is. Just watch that tape yesterday. Those guys could not get open. It was like Velcro. Anytime they had crossers, it was like guys were running in sand and like Reed, sprinting full
Starting point is 01:32:04 speed to catch up to him. or Soss Gardner was just running routes for people. I mean, they could not get open, okay? They could not get open. So the point is, if they have injuries like this and they stay with them the rest of the year was going to be enough to overcome Tank Dell, it's going to be hard.
Starting point is 01:32:20 So I've been really high on this team, but if you're not healthy, it's going to be hard. Yeah, you've been high on this team, as in the team that they've been putting on the field to have this success. Yeah, now they don't have that team right now. And so we'll see. But when you talk about the Browns,
Starting point is 01:32:33 another thing they got is a great conference record. So if it gets the 10 and you've got tiebreakers, here are some of the conference losses. And this is my mask. So if I'm fucking this up, somebody in the chat, get me right. But the bills, I think, have five conference losses, which is bad news. Indies got four conference losses. Denver's got five conference losses. The Texans have four conference losses.
Starting point is 01:32:53 So, you know, it's going to come down to some head-to-heads. Buffalo doesn't like their head-to-head against the Broncos, right? If the Broncos make a run here and last night, ESPN's, you know, FPI or analytics or whatever, came up with it was all these teams the guy with the sleeves rolled up and it's not it's not carnacki it's somebody else cornacki um you know the browns have 83% chance to make the playoffs texans 54% chance okay and i think part of that is they play the titans twice they play the colts and the browns um the colts have a 40% chance they got the steelers the falcons the raiders the texans and the bills now we know what what has to happen for the bills to get in they have them at a 39%
Starting point is 01:33:31 chance um i don't know if that's that was after the game or not But the bottom line is they play the Cowboys, the charges, the pads, and the dolphins. And I think if what it's going to take is three, I think they're going to get in. Okay? So if I had to predict today, I kind of feel like, and I'm not being overreactive, I just believe this about the bills. If they look this way, they're dangerous. That should play out on the field.
Starting point is 01:33:54 The bills and the Browns are two of my favorites to get in. And then after that, you've got the Steelers, 34% chance at Colts, Bengals, Seahawks, Ravens, and the Broncos at Lions, Patts, Chargers, and at Raiders. So 10 and 7's possible for them. And 11 and 6. 11 and 6. And the Bengals,
Starting point is 01:34:13 who are 22%, but the reason they're 22%, I think is the fact that, I don't know why the fuck they're 22nd. They got to play at Kansas City in week 17. Which looks a lot different than it used to. You ever have moments where you feel really stupid? Like something happens?
Starting point is 01:34:27 All the time. All the time. Okay, so I feel stupid because your guy Karnacki is on TV. TV and I look at Kate and I go, this guy's a genius. And she was like, why? And then I was like, hold on, why is he a genius? Just because he has his sleeves rolled up in glasses. Essentially, that's why I think he's a genius. So I am dumb. I'm an easy sell.
Starting point is 01:34:46 This is a good one. Chris, what edge rushing in today's league do you think aligns with your play style? I think it's, I think it's, I think it's Trey Hendrickson. Which what? Say it again? Which edge rusher in today's league do you think aligns with your play style? I think it's Trey. That's a good comp. He had two sexist. Trey's going to end up with more buckets in his career, but I think Trey, I mean, that little guy wore 91, walked up to me after a New Orleans game when I really had no idea who he was, asked for a jersey. I was like, this guy, like, maybe he's going to be good one day.
Starting point is 01:35:16 No glove. Now I watch him, and I'm like, this is, when I watch Trey Hendrickson on the edge, like, that was my game plan every week. I mean, he's a double-swiped guy. He can go to power with one arm. He hustles. I really like Trey. Okay, so if we're talking about the Bengals, it's dynamite lead-in. They jumped out on the Colts, let them back in.
Starting point is 01:35:35 They have had to find different ways to score, different situations to win games over the last couple weeks, jumping out on these guys, back and forth with Jacksonville. The screen game was great early. And I think Browning did a really good job to play action pass. So if they can run the ball, there's no reason. I said this this week, why they can't slide in. Now, I don't know if they're going to slide in,
Starting point is 01:35:57 but if they do, they're tough out because the bones of that chance championship team are in that building. And, you know, I think a big question is going to be down the stretch. How good can Lou Aniruma make this group look? Because yesterday at times, they look like that group. And so I'm really excited to watch the Bengals play down the stretch. We talked about the Colts. Yo, Chris.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Yeah. So last week, the broadcast told us this Browning kid was a phenom in high school. He was a good quarterback in college. And would you look at that now the guy can play in the league too? I wrote this last night. I might have been a little bit baked. but I wrote it down. The quarterback position has always had a mystery around it where only, seemingly, only a few guys on the planet can do it at the highest level. I feel like the cerebral part of the game,
Starting point is 01:36:42 the installation, the schematics, they've matched the God-given talents, and we're seeing more than ample opportunity for guys to have success in the league based on the offensive coordinator, not necessarily just based on gifts. Yeah. So we get these guys who are getting schemed up to do really well, eight for nine on play action for 174 and a touchdown. To your point, that's basically, based on Zach Taylor's willingness to stick to the run of the beginning and counter with the past. I said this last week, Kyle, today's NFL, it's paint by numbers, throwing the ball. Like some of these schemes... So I'm not crazy for writing that.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Well, I think what you're stone... What I'm trying to say. I think what you're saying is true. If what you're saying is that, like, you know, the schemes are there. They're available. These great schemes. It's become such a schematic league where there's such a variation in... A lot of pilots can fly at 50,000 feet now.
Starting point is 01:37:31 Not everybody can fly at 90,000. There's only a handful. Pilots is a great example. Now, I look up there, the pilots, they've got all these fucking computers. You know, you just got to make good decisions. The plane will land itself. You got to make decisions, you know?
Starting point is 01:37:43 Like, I saw a stat that most men think, of course they do, that they could land a plane. And you said in the group that you think you could do it. I think it's capital. I think I was saying it just to agitate people. It's the Dunning Kruger theory, which is that people with little to know experience in something people with zero experience or something have a better chance of succeeding than people
Starting point is 01:38:06 who have a little bit of experience or something because they're cocky. Listen, Patrick Mahomes is the perfect guy to land a Piper Cub in a storm. Yeah. But if Jake Browning is flying a Boeing 777 and the computers are doing the work, like he can land that plane. Pilot of the year. And so the point is, if Patrick's got that fucking 747, he's going to win the league. But you gave him a Piper Cubs this year?
Starting point is 01:38:29 It's fucking nasty out. He might have stalled up there somewhere. Like Richie James, Cadarious Tony chewed through some of the wires. Went over the line. And, you know, like I think to your point, the point I'm making is with backup quarterbacks in today's NFL, and that's why although the NFL has gotten fucked on a lot of these injuries,
Starting point is 01:38:48 there are some situations where guys can still make their teams dangerous. Minshu, great offensive coordinator. There he works with. and the same thing with... Heiss and Bayesian. Well, I wouldn't quite get that far. Back up, quarterback? But the point is, the ASC playoff race is muddled,
Starting point is 01:39:08 and I cannot wait to see how this thing plays out down the line. NBA, you've got a fucking play-in tournament. You got a mid-season tournament. How goofy are those fucking courts? Goofy. Totally goofy. They look like Croatian, like... But with Anthony...
Starting point is 01:39:22 If Anthony Davis is closing out on you in the fourth quarter and 500Ks on the line, like that's a different level, dude. I'm putting these hips on them. The way, bro, the way they play defense, the Lakers don't get into the NBA, but sometimes the way the Lakers play defense, I'm like, I might like the Lakers.
Starting point is 01:39:38 Like, I hate the Lakers, right? But I really like the Lakers, too. I just love LeBron games. They play great defense, dude. How much would it take to take a charge from like a guy like Anthony Davis or LeBron? Would you take a... You need to ask them that question.
Starting point is 01:39:51 For real. You put the words in my mouth. Ask them that question. because LeBron wants to play until he's 45. I don't know if that's happening. I'm the one standing in the lane. Imagine if they're all Glenn Big Baby Davis down there. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 01:40:06 Careers get shorter. I just got a physical. Healthy as a horse. All right. So, come on. I had a friend who had a physical last week who said the doctor told him he has the lowest T he's ever seen. No, he did not say that. What a fucking joy that is for him.
Starting point is 01:40:21 You know what I'm talking about? He can just start, he can just start getting on the test. The lowest tea. Diet is what they said. Diet. Your testosterone is seven. Drink less IPAs, buddy. Exercise.
Starting point is 01:40:36 You have transition. Yeah, okay. Unintentionally. Denver. Denver. Denver. I don't think that's how it works, Kyle. Hate to break it to you.
Starting point is 01:40:48 But anyways, Denver, the Denver Broncos. We rode. We rode. Are freaking fun. And they're fun. And Reed and I had a lot of fun yesterday. That was one of the few things that... Throwed up in Portland.
Starting point is 01:41:02 And, I mean, it just gets worse in L.A. Yeah, that's kind of what happens when your coach should have been fired five weeks. But it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse. And it does just get worse and worse and then you've got Stick, Easton Stick out there. North Dakota State name. And now you've got... You know what you like to Stick Talk? Stick Talk.
Starting point is 01:41:21 Or stick. Stick. TikTok was a great beat too, man. But the problem is, the problem is, Justin Herbert's heard the thing. Please do not trot him back out there against the Raiders. Get them out of here. We've seen enough. This experiment's over. I'm going to
Starting point is 01:41:37 say it again, Dean Spanos. You're not serious about the thing you own. You're like one of these slum lords that doesn't put anything into their fucking, into their apartments. There's this guy in town here who owns like 15 things and they're all falling down. You know what I'm talking about. The thing up on Afton Mountain. Okay, there's a bunch of
Starting point is 01:41:54 there's a bunch of yeah it's like the fucking chiefs there's drop ceiling he's got a bunch of cool shit around town but it doesn't do anything with it no do anything with it spanos it's derelict it's it's really at some point you should have to give your team up if if you're not going to be serious about forfeiture forfeiture of your team or relegation no it's not hate that's hate you can't tell me how to play with my toys if i buy them right well i can make fun of your toys no absolutely well i am telling i'm telling you in my opinion if you bought the charges and did what you've done what he's done with the Chargers. It's my right to say you should have to give it up.
Starting point is 01:42:28 Now, it's never going to happen. Yeah. But it's bad for the league. He's bad for the league. I got you. And Brandon Staley is not good for the Chargers. And I've seen enough. And Sean Peyton, I just want to say this,
Starting point is 01:42:40 a lot of people at the beginning of the season. Said a lot of things. Said a lot of things because Sean Payton had a gaffe, and he said too much. And maybe I got excited. My theory was he was trying to build up his team and in the process tore down the other team, right? Because, you know, you're trying to make the point
Starting point is 01:42:58 that Nathaniel Hackett was the problem and not my quarterback. Not my roster. Not my quarterback or my roster, which doesn't do him any favors because he could have blamed it on the roster and not the scheme. But he stuck his neck out there and said some shit that wasn't popular. And it turned out to be true. And he turned out to be Sean Payton. I love Sean Payton.
Starting point is 01:43:16 And Sean Payton is a fucking hell of a football coach. And he's found a way with this team that looks completely different than the team he had New Orleans to win. Yeah, they got the blueprint. Just continue to run the ball, play good defense. Get the fucking turnovers. Continue to force turnovers, man. They had a big stop early in this game when immediately they throw a pick that gets stolen
Starting point is 01:43:37 out of the receiver's hands and they're inside the 10-yard line and they stand up. And it's just like for that to happen on the road and for you to overcome it, it's equally as bad as it was like attaboy for Sean Payton and the Broncos. Staley, fourth and short, you know, constantly just getting stuffed. like he's a caricature of himself. And I don't know what else to say. I mean, like you asked me when we were upstairs, you were like, are the charges going to score here?
Starting point is 01:44:04 And I paused because every single game, what felt like in my Broncos tenure has been a, like that's when the other team scores. Like we might run out out to a little bit of a lead, but then boom, the opponents come back and they kick us back and they get right back. Well, there's parity, right? I mean, these games are supposed to be even,
Starting point is 01:44:22 but in the Chargers case, every week seems to be an uneven matchup. I mean, you go to New England, you put up six points. Yeah, they're losing, like, in different ways. They're finding different ways to lose. Because, like, in Detroit, they, like, scored all the points with Detroit, but they lost that one, too. And as Kyle just said, when they played. They've lost shootouts. They've won six-nothing games.
Starting point is 01:44:43 They've lost 31-17 games. They got blown out yesterday. It's just, I've seen enough, dude. It's a travesty. This organization is not in best. shape and it starts with the owner because Brandon Staley's not going to change and what's he going to fire himself anyways we're talking about the jets and I just want to say this I don't know if they're in the race there's reports that now last week it was you know Rogers isn't coming back
Starting point is 01:45:08 that's what report said now they're going to open his window right 21 day practice 21 day practice window wait valuation already open or what the fuck's going on no he his practice window would have already been open last last week when he started practicing so we're eyeing the commanders game, which, who did the Jets play this week? Who did they play? Who do they play this week? The Jets, if you look at their playoff chances. If they win every single game that they have left, they have like a 10% chance of making.
Starting point is 01:45:37 So who do they play this week? At the Dolphins. Okay, they're going to lose this week. And then what's going to, are we still going to play Christmas against the commanders? I'm holding you guys to that. Actually, what I'm not going to do is say that Aaron Rogers should play, because I would play a Zach Wilson from yesterday over a hobbled Aaron Rogers. and that's the conversation we should be having.
Starting point is 01:45:56 No offense to who might be one of the goats of all time. And like the goats of all time. But you just said that with the expectation that the quarterback that you chose out of those two options is going to be the quarterback that we saw yesterday. That's what I said. Which is wild to me because we haven't seen that. I think he found his cunt, Kyle. You weren't here.
Starting point is 01:46:15 No, no, I got... Okay, I'm going to explain it to you because the people here, watching the show probably didn't hear this anyways. McGruber, the movie. The plot of the movie is that McGruber, Will Forte, it's a masterpiece. He was a war hero. This guy, Cunth killed his wife.
Starting point is 01:46:30 So he goes AWOL and he's in like Cambodia living in a hut and they need him. So Powers Booth, the general comes and he's like, Magroober, we need you. He's like, all due respect, I'm out of the game. And Powers Booth says, but the game has changed. And then McGruber says, but the players are the same.
Starting point is 01:46:45 And that might be true for Zach Wilson too because the same players are there. Okay? But then Powers Booth says, McGruber, it's Cunth. And at that point, Zach Wilson or McGruber, who was sitting in a hut in Cambodia, like, I'm just glad to be done with this shit. You know, I'm just so emotionally scarred from cunth killing my wife and getting benched six times.
Starting point is 01:47:07 When he found out it was cunth, he went out there and he was a killing machine, including his own guys in that van on the tarmac. But the difference between Zach Wilson and McGruber is Zach Wilson didn't do six tours in Desert Storm. He's but a man, and maybe he's not good at football. but what he needs to do is just find out what his what's his why let it lose this is a nothing's on the line for you you know like it couldn't get any worse and you know you're going to go play somewhere else next year maybe probably um you're not the quarterback for this team but over the last month that season what you can do is is is you can regain your respect your dignity and you know people are going to
Starting point is 01:47:45 call you a bus they're going to talk shit about you but go out there and figure out what it is that made you what you were when you were at bYU because this game's different and you've seen that But you could still let it loose a little bit more. And I'm not saying do everything sidearm and throw every ball like that brilliant pass he threw when he rolled out. Cross body. Like, holy shit. The first three throws of the game.
Starting point is 01:48:06 I was the Combine throw. Yeah. Pro day throw. He outplayed C.J. Shrow. That we fell in love with. He out played C.J. Shrow.
Starting point is 01:48:12 Yeah, that's the important thing to me is to show up with that confidence after being bench so many times against the guy. That showed me something. Everybody's like, be like him. That showed me. me something, Kyle, and I've been down on Zach Wilson. I called it how I see it. I saw it. I called it how I saw it last year when Zach Wilson threw his team under the bus. I said, that shit's bullshit. But this is the inverse of that situation. Look how much he's grown up
Starting point is 01:48:36 in a year. Now, the leak was crazy that somebody would say he wasn't willing to play. But to come back and play that way, the throws that he made were incredible. I mean, he really did. What was an aggregate account was that? Well, I think somebody really, I think it's real. I think the issue that Aaron had was that it was leaked, okay, which is bogus. So I just want to say this, Zach Wilson, if he plays pretty good this weekend and they lose and you're serious about this thing or he plays one and they win, do not put Aaron Rogers out there. And that's the best possible outcome for Aaron Rogers too, because if he plays in all seriousness, whether we have this goofy argument every week and it's become a bit. It could cost you next year. It could cost you next year. And honestly,
Starting point is 01:49:14 like, I don't see him being very good off an Achilles or whatever it is because this is. has never happened before. What if he's just trying to get out of there? And he's trying to get a little bit more tape to get out of there. No, I don't think that's the case. I don't think he needs tape to get out of there. He's got 20 years of tape. This isn't the fucking preseason,
Starting point is 01:49:31 we're going to get you on tape for these other 31 teams to see it. We'll give your mama a chance. To show other teams, hey, like, I still, like, even though I was hurt, I still got it. Oh, I mean. Because at the end of the day, like, what if he doesn't like the organization? If he didn't still have it. Nate. Like how you said the leak.
Starting point is 01:49:47 Like, that type of stuff, it might sit bad with him in the office. and it'd be like, hey, do I really want to be here? If he didn't still have it, people wouldn't hate on him so hard, Nate. Say again? People wouldn't be hating on him. Shout out to Sam Meyer, though. You and I know that. Shout out to what, what, Aaron Rogers?
Starting point is 01:50:01 I said if people didn't think that he still had it like that, if he wasn't still a bad, bad man, people wouldn't hate on that. No, I think they hate on him because they just don't like him. I mean, like. And because he is Aaron Rogers. Yeah, and maybe that's the reason people are hating on Patrick Mahomes in this chat and in this room. I'm just joking, guys. But I just want to shout out Quinn and Williams
Starting point is 01:50:21 because yesterday he was a one-man wrecking crew and I know that like in that game you pay it but I know but like you got nothing to play for dude and I got a lot of respect for guys like that because there were plenty of games in the NFL where I had to put my fucking helmet on
Starting point is 01:50:36 a million sudden changes go out there You gotta play for the name on the bet no you just got to play bro you got to play whatever you're playing for I used to tell our coaches just run the ball so we can get out of here That's a guy that knows his why bro first play of the game they were on trap no chance there was a sequence in the second quarter that I think
Starting point is 01:50:52 encapsulates what this motherfucker has been about this year uh on the low because people aren't talking about him but second and 10 508 to go in the third quarter uh center goes to reach him cannot reach him shocker five yards deep that center collides with the match point okay and then after the play he's walking back to the huddle after just abusing a grown man that's making money to play in the nfl um mosley gets pushed by 81 on the Texans, some tight end. Kind of pushes Mosley into Quinn and Williams' path. And Quinn and Williams, without breaking stride, just pushes the shit out of 81, doesn't even look at him, continues walking.
Starting point is 01:51:30 Eighty-one doesn't say a fucking word to him. And then the next play, Quentin Williams sack. He's just a bully out there. And I love the guy. And I know people aren't talking about him, but he can still play and he wrecked that game. He reminds me of the State Puff marshmallow man. Remember the State Puff Mart? They said, close your eyes.
Starting point is 01:51:45 and imagine the most, you know, the harmless, the most harmless thing you can imagine. Yes. And they're like, what did you think of, man? Quentin Williams. And then he turned in there. It was just like, it's the state buff marshmallow. I actually see this metaphor, dude. Because he's got the big smile.
Starting point is 01:52:01 No, because he is such a, like, we had him on the show. I mean, he's like fucking awesome. And he's just coming to fuck up your backfield. I don't know if you guys have seen this too. Like, I think he just gave like maybe $2.5 million. Maybe finding like 50 to 100, I think single mothers and giving them like $25,000. like in Alabama. Wow.
Starting point is 01:52:17 I might be messed up on the numbers, but I know it was up there, and I think it's worth saying. Yeah, no question. For that holiday time, for sure. We love Quina Williams. Quina Williams is a great guy. I'm going to read you a quick ad read,
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Starting point is 01:53:32 I'm probably going to Vegas in the spring to see fish, who I don't even really... At the dome. At the fucking spirit. So I just might have to hit up game time to look at some of those. You know my boy Tommy P turning Big 4-0 you know like we're just gonna make a trip of this so I know you listen to the pod I'll assume if we don't talk about this you didn't miss it
Starting point is 01:53:56 You just think I should be able to go so game time. I'll be hitting you up Fish concert in that sphere can you can can you smoke loud in that sphere? Are you got to get on it you got you know Howie Jr went to the sphere I know he saw you too fish concert the dome will be oozing smoke I think you're all right. Okay, good. What would you want to do in that sphere more than anything? Like, if you could play a game. I'd watch a movie.
Starting point is 01:54:19 Here's what I want to do. Planetarium. Take mushrooms and say, hey, Jane Goodall. Whatever you got, just put it on the big thing. You know what I would like to watch? David Attenborough, hit me. David, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Starting point is 01:54:41 Run it back. Planet Earth. Earth, too. Those fucking, those iguanas that swim underwater, you know, like the racer snakes on that one island. Like, I could take you through a whole, I wonder if I get freaked out. I mean, I feel like if I took shrooms, there's a high chance that some of that stuff, it might like really freak you out depending on how you're tripping. Hey, somebody said take 2,000 milligrams of edibles. And here's what I want to say to you, you're getting your edibles from the wrong place.
Starting point is 01:55:06 If you're taking 2,000 milligrams of edibles, there are some people that are like, yeah, I take like, you know, 1,500. I'm like, bro, you're getting edibles that aren't hitting. You need to have high tolerance. I don't think so, Kyle. I know some guys with high toleri, and it's a couple hundred. Tolerances. Maybe 500 for top end kind of guys, I know. I have a high Christmas cookie tolerance.
Starting point is 01:55:28 All right. So anyways, let's talk about the NFC playoff race, which is a lot shorter conversation. It just boils down to, basically, are the Packers who they think we are? We'll find out tonight. Let's do the Monday night preview right now for Little Caesars. I know it's going to throw you guys off a little bit, right? No. But, you know, since we're talking about this NFC playoff race,
Starting point is 01:55:47 Green Bay at the Giants, I like the under here. I think Green Bay covers, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure of anything anymore. I'm pretty sure here. We haven't talked about Tennessee and Miami yet. 13 and a half. That feels like a lot, especially it being windy there tonight. I think Vrable's going to find a way to shorten this game a little bit.
Starting point is 01:56:05 If I had to do anything, I might lean under. I fucked up after last week saying, this is a Vrabble game. This is a fucking Miami Dolphins game. Yeah, 13 and a half points. Well, Jeffrey Simmons is down, and that's the problem. Let's go. Fulton, I think, is down.
Starting point is 01:56:19 They've got a couple guys down. But the point is, I'm never surprised when Vrable makes something that shouldn't be. Packers will cover and the over. Dolphins will cover. And the under. And the under. Okay. And I think if it goes over, that's because Sequan can run the football on Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:56:36 I mean, I think that's Green Bay's shot is they've got to run the football on these guys so you can run the football. New York shot. But the point is the Green Bay Packers, I think, are a playoff team. I think the Rams may end up just short just because of the way things are playing out. The Rams are down to 33%. And, you know, you really have this NFC South sandwich here. Okay, it's the Bucks, the Falcons, the Saints.
Starting point is 01:57:01 Who wants to win this division? I don't know. But the team with Desmond Ritter, I've said this over and over again. Like, you're the best team out of those three teams. but I just, I don't know. Yesterday is a perfect example of, like, literally, if you take those mistakes off the board, you win that game. If they have Justin Fields.
Starting point is 01:57:18 And Tampa's still in it. If they have Justin Fields. I think they might win a playoff game. Okay, I thought you were going to go further with that. What? Maybe make a little run. No, I don't know. I don't want to get all out of my skis here.
Starting point is 01:57:30 But Todd Bowles, who Stanford Steve famously said, coach of the year about a month ago, fuck, if they win this division, not that it's pretty but he's done a really nice job in Tampa just finding away. Holy shit, man. I mean, Minnesota found a way to win.
Starting point is 01:57:47 That was a hideous game. You know, the Raiders, I thought they had it. I had both win totals under, and I thought for a second I was getting a zero zero. Viking that 59% Justin Jefferson hurt again. Exactly. Huh?
Starting point is 01:58:02 Jefferson hurt again. Jefferson's hurt. Somebody else left the game. They should have traded him when they had a chance, dude. Oh, yeah, there you go. Although Mullins looked kind of good. They were winning without it.
Starting point is 01:58:12 Mullins looked all right. And I think they got it. In his first 17 starts, he has the same yards and touchdowns as Andrew Luck did it in his first 17. Wow. Are you saying that Andrew Luck is Nick Mullins? Maybe. No, I mean, the point is, with a coach like that, you never know. And in New Orleans, I just don't believe in them.
Starting point is 01:58:30 So I don't know what to make of this NFC playoff race. I know somebody's, you're supposed to hear a take. It's side goggling. Huh? It's side goggling. Side goggling. Yeah, I'm side goggling the NFC playoff, right? No, the whole thing is side goggling.
Starting point is 01:58:44 What is side goggling? It's just a skew. Oh, really? How do you say? A-S-C-H-E-W? A-S-Q-E-W. Yeah, okay. Origin, please.
Starting point is 01:58:55 Appalachia. Syntax. I think the Packers with a win tonight, their chances goes to what? Like, about 80%. 80%. So let's do this thing. Packers.
Starting point is 01:59:07 Seagogogging, shit doesn't make sense. That's what it is. Side goggling. It's a great word. Okay. I'm going to use it. It's from Appalachia. I heard it on TikTok.
Starting point is 01:59:15 Okay. And it means essentially like, the whole thing don't make any fucking sense. It's Seagoggle. Okay. Like the whole situation with our mailbox at the bottom of the road, see what happens is the trucks come down here. Come down in the ravine. It's sigh goggling.
Starting point is 01:59:30 Yeah. Have you ever seen Wild and Wonderful West, uh, whites of West Virginia? No. Yes. Green, uh, what is this? Shit,
Starting point is 01:59:39 yeah, I only watch BETT. You guys, go my pill. You got, you never heard Saigon. If you shake a pill bottle, wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia
Starting point is 01:59:50 is a great documentary. The guy was shaking a pill bottle. He's going to give me my pill bottle. West Virginia Maiton call is what they say. Really? That's what they say in that. He already knew. So no,
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Starting point is 02:01:59 Yeah, I need the meat lovers just tell me oh la I need them by the way they signed a bunch of fucking guys yesterday. Did they? Six or seven. Good. He is Sports Illustrated sports person in the year not going anywhere. You guys mad? You're mad because he won an award that you didn't even fucking pay attention to before he won it? Oh, you're so mad?
Starting point is 02:02:17 He's putting a new lake. Somebody else should have got it. Who cares? He's putting a new lake in his backyard and he wants everyone to name it. He already has a lake called Prime and a lake called Time. Oh, Time and Time and how about just call it T-H-Y-M-A?
Starting point is 02:02:33 the athine. Time. That's good. How about? I'll think of a name for that lake. I want to name that lake. What are his kids' names?
Starting point is 02:02:46 Who's his favorite kids? Shiloh. Shiloh. Dionne Jr.'s is number one. Shadoor. Shiloh's number two. Shado's number two. Shadoor.
Starting point is 02:02:56 Shador is four right now. Okay. I'll think of something. DeAndra. Shalom. That's his daughter. That's the one. commercial because I know you ain't eating that on daddy's white carpet yeah on the Colorado
Starting point is 02:03:08 basketball team oh does she really yeah you drop bucket wow I love I love the family it seems like a good a good group and yeah good in commercials too they're great dude okay and he's a sports person the year huh huh I'm so mad they barely won any games who gives the fuck is all we were talking about let you understand you understand how this thing works okay let's get to the mentions are you done best flight I'm never done okay best flight. I'm going to go best flight, best flight.
Starting point is 02:03:38 Best flight, the Buffalo Bills. Leave an arrowhead after you have to ride 56 minutes to the airport because the settlers plan that city horribly. Fucking airport all the way
Starting point is 02:03:49 over here. City, power and light district all the way over here. It's a great city. You got to drive 50 minutes, but then you get on the plane and you make a gnarmin
Starting point is 02:04:01 go through two TSAs. And then you have a great flight home. My best flight was actually my flight to Chicago. I got to go back to Hall where the Bears practice and train all week. And it was my first time going back as an alum. I hadn't been there since they told me, do not come back. Like you're not allowed in the building. And it was great to see everybody.
Starting point is 02:04:28 It was cathartic. You know, if you've ever played in the league. and you go back to where you played. You can relate to this, but not many people have. I saw everybody from our equipment manager to all the trainers. I was in the training room, the equipment room, the locker room, in the atrium, wait room hanging out. Yeah, special place.
Starting point is 02:04:49 Truly lucky to be a Chicago bear. And I can't think of another sports organization where the owner would be waiting there for you because he heard from somebody that you might be coming. He just waits in the lobby. He's like, my friend Kyle's coming. That's cool, man. I didn't get to see George McCasky, but I was exchanging text with him, and we spoke on the phone. I got to meet your team security guy in the car.
Starting point is 02:05:10 John Tarpey, shout out to John Tarpey. Got me out of a lot of trouble. Yeah, that guy deserves a fucking raise. But the bottom line is, Kyle, when you go back, it is cool because it feels like it's a... They had a welcome back guy all thing. I was like, get that off. No way. Yeah, on the big screen, I was like, get it off.
Starting point is 02:05:28 Oh, my God, get it off. They want you to come coach O'Line. They gave me an alumni jacket. Oh my God. When I went back to the, I'd go back to certain places. I went back to... I could barely get a Virginia. I saw Cody Whitehair, the center from the bears from my time,
Starting point is 02:05:43 and he was a rookie in like my fifth or sixth year, fourth or fifth year, and we became super tight. We played next to each other. And when I saw him, we just, you know, we just hugged. We just almost like both just started crying. The bro hugs. The bro hugs when you haven't seen the bros and so long. Oh, my God, dude.
Starting point is 02:06:00 Yeah. And your big smiles. I went back to the St. Louis practice facility where we had that nurse city there. And I was just giving imaginary hugs to all the people that used to be there. It's not like a fucking, it's renamed and they do like, like, uh, like, uh, it's done there. And stuff. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:21 Kind of depressing. It's a corporate office. It wasn't quite the same as that trip. Best flight, me. All right. So let's go, let's go, uh, worst flight. I think worst flight goes to lions. Um, low ceiling probably getting out of there, uh, short flight, but I mean, it's, it's, it's going to be a long week of practice.
Starting point is 02:06:40 Dan Campbell's going to take it out on use. Yeah, worst flight lines. You can't even get Wi-Fi on that. No, you're just up and you're down, Kyle. You know, I heard it, uh, 40 minutes of boarding. There was a kid sitting in front of me on the plane yesterday and she looked across the aisle. It was the flight from New York to Charlottesville, which is about 56 minutes. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:07:00 Um, and she said, mom, sat this one. Wi-Fi up for me. And the mom said, Short flight, you'll be okay. And I was like, Good for you, Mom. I fucking love that. Good for you, mom. That's the way you got a parent. You saying no is like the best thing in the world. Say no more. The bears are the new lions. Yeah. And by new lions, I mean the good version of the lions, not the current lions.
Starting point is 02:07:21 Yeah. The lions that we fell in love with and had pipe dreams about. And the new lions are the old bears. Yes. Wow. It's very confusing. I disagree with the second part, but maybe you are the the new lions. Bevel Conway. Okay, Bebel Conway is my favorite commercial that happens on TV every year. There's certain places you feel like you've been there and you're longing to go there, but you've never been there. And one is right under that palm tree that's lit up with colored lights. That's the only way you should do your Christmas lights. And there's a little hut, and it's somewhere,
Starting point is 02:07:54 presumably, in Costa Rica or Mexico, and it's Felice Navidog, Corona. And it's the longest running Christmas commercial that catches my eye. and you get the old Christmas tree whistle and every time that commercial comes on I just feel all warm inside and it reminds me that I should plan warm weather vacations sooner than December 1st which is something my wife and I made a run at this year and that's just not going to happen because evidently a lot of people like to go somewhere warm in December one day I will go to the set of that commercial I will be somewhere warm in December it will be by my wife's side who will be nine and a half months pregnant at that time A lot of warmth. We're going to be very warm. So now I'm going to go. What will they be warm? I feel like they're going to be overheated.
Starting point is 02:08:39 Beville Conway, it's called incubation, Chris. The Cowboys in their white uniforms at Jerry's World against their bitter rivaled Eagles. God, I think that's a terrible looking matchup. I do. Jerry's World just is an ugly viewing experience for me. Maybe it's because they always win there, especially against the Eagles, it feels like I'm going to go. It felt good to see Nick Siriani not bullying anybody. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:09:01 Okay. i'm gonna go anti metlife the turf that zach wilson by the way survived yesterday he almost did his knee or something at one point in that game had that right heel slid out in front of him yeah he might be like the guy with the sword and the stone you know sword in the stone where nobody could pull the sword out of the stone uh arthur king arthur he was the guy was the carth is a king arthur well no it was uh the night night of the round table or whatever whatever the fuck he might be that guy because he actually survived the met life turf but there's no uglier turf but there's no uglier turf when it's raining than MetLife.
Starting point is 02:09:34 It's like... We got it again for tonight for Monday Night Football. Hideous, dude. And they just played on it. Save Jordan Love, dude. Just protect that man at all costs. And then if I had to give a real Beville Conway, I think tonight's gonna be pretty.
Starting point is 02:09:47 Packers Giants. Not the curve, but the Unis. Or the game. Hollow Man Cadarious Tony. For sure, Kyle. For sure. Also Brett Veach. Huh.
Starting point is 02:09:58 Also Patrick Mahomes. The fuck? No. you guys hate him. That's not, no, no, no, don't do the you guys. I'm gonna do the same thing you guys do to me. You just did it again. You guys hate them.
Starting point is 02:10:09 You guys hate them. I don't know. I didn't hear what you said. Oh, I'm done here. Okay. This is what I'm excited about. Fly on the wall. I'm not going to quote tweet that bullshit conversation.
Starting point is 02:10:18 Fly on the wall. Brian Dable watching Josh Allen succeed with a smile on his face and knowing that Kedarius Tony is the reason that he succeeded. We got this fucking asshole out of here. Wouldn't come to meetings or anything. Victor told him. Huh? Cruz told us about him.
Starting point is 02:10:35 Watching that happen, he's sitting at home. They're not playing. They're getting ready for Monday night. He had to smile. He had to smile at Josh looking like Josh, you know, because I think he's a guy that wants him to do well. I think the point's been made with Dave believing. So the reports came out that Antonio.
Starting point is 02:10:52 Oh, my God. What? Somebody said worst flight. Shit. Yeah, it's been some pretty ill-advised comments in the Dap at this one. Brett C. said, Worse Flight McDermott playing flight simulator. I'm done.
Starting point is 02:11:09 I'm done. I'm done. But he set himself up for years of memes, dude. So Antonio Pierce this past week has had some guest coaches in the building. My fly on the wall is, what did Adam Gase have to tell Antonio Pierce? What would you say it again? Well, he had like, he was with some, he was Tom Coughlin.
Starting point is 02:11:32 And Adam Gace, they were in the building. That's your guy. I love Adam Gase. And I think he's also one of the most entertaining people. He's like, hey, don't do this. He's like, don't do, here's the things that I did. This is why I chose it for fly on the wall. I want to know how Adam Gase approached giving advice to Antonio Pierce.
Starting point is 02:11:50 It's like a don't do this. Like, you know, like. Cautionary. Like what dad's like, I've been down the road. I know where the speed bumps are. I know where the potholes are. It's like when a kid starts killing animals in your neighborhood, you bring Jeffrey Dahmer in to talk to him.
Starting point is 02:12:03 Whoa. Like, you know, like, we don't do this. You know, like, you could turn out. We kill people and eat them. Okay. I got to fly. I can see. Anyway, all right.
Starting point is 02:12:13 What? Quick. Fly on the wall, Ben Rothersberger and or, well, Ben Rathesberger watching my man, Joe Flacco, make a comeback and sitting on the couch and thinking, yo, can I, can I do this? Mm-hmm. Like, if he's doing that. RG3. RG3.
Starting point is 02:12:33 What's Philip Rivers? Like a bunch of guys that maybe they're watching that and saying, using that as like as motivation to try to do the same thing. I'm like maybe I can squeeze in somewhere if the right situation happens for me. I think for a guy like him with a big arm, you know, I mean, he could, he could kind of come out of retirement whenever. It's like Stafford, his arm looks great. Brett Farve, yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:59 Shtal Memorial? STL Memorial, Nick Mullins. Nobody watched that game, except for me. Nobody watched that game. Now, some of you might have watched that game. I thought it was awesome. I mean, zero-zero game deep into the fourth. Josh Dobbs gets benched.
Starting point is 02:13:13 I actually think he had a concussion from when he got laid out at the sticks. But Nick Mullins coming in in that spot and getting them the three points they need to win that game. Good for him. Jaquam Brisker, 17 tackles from the safety position and a winning effort rivalry game. set the tone early in often for the Chicago Bears. A lot of young, good, secondary players,
Starting point is 02:13:34 but Chuan Brisker, biggest one out of all of them. Hey, can I give you a viewing party? I'd like to, you know, I'd like to give this one too. I think it was a Seattle sideline as Wischnowski hit 20 miles an hour, the punter. On a play, they weren't expected. They weren't even expected. That was his call. No, that was his call.
Starting point is 02:13:52 He took the option. He thought he was Brock Purdy. He thought he had diplomatic immunity. You like that. Yeah. And he just turned and. ran. You liked that. He just turned and ran and he ran 20 miles an hour. Guy named Wichnowski. That's what happens when you're scared.
Starting point is 02:14:08 He had the sideline. He had the sideline. He had the alley was there. Best seat. My best seat is Jake Browning's family. They were in Joe Burrough's suite. Joe Burrow was like, oh, you got a girlfriend coming to the game? Watch this. Put her in the suite. You really like her? Watch this. How about Browning Like makes Joe? I read it as
Starting point is 02:14:32 This is what I read When I was getting on the airplane It was Joe Burrow Led's Jake Browning Borrow Barrow his suit Ah And I was like
Starting point is 02:14:41 Damn, it's easy to miss the E But then I was like You know It's a sweetman It's more sense I think the same size No wonder The offense works so well
Starting point is 02:14:53 Taylor He's wearing his uniform It's been Zach Taylored that was a nice one thank you that's my best suit in the house at the end of the year I'm going to need your cartilage now browning yes you're going to need to put that into my wrist
Starting point is 02:15:14 you need your calf no honestly if if he let me use his suite and my girlfriend was going to be out there I'd make him take down all the good looking portraits of Joe Burrow in the suite right there's no Joe Burrow Off in the distance. I bet he has some portraits in there where he looks sick. Some GQ shot. It's just a bunch of tributes to Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 02:15:35 But cool of Joe Burrow, he's the ultimate teammate. Okay, let's go MVP, shall we? Yeah. I mean, I already gave Dak the MVP for, or Game Ball. I gave Dak the MVP, right? I'm going to give the game ball to Josh Allen. I really am. I'm just going to do it.
Starting point is 02:15:54 And the asterisk, this is for that Cowboys fan that was complaining about. not just getting enough. Do Kristen give him the game ball and the MVP of the league? So this is for the person who had the biggest impact in the game? Yeah, you're just shouting somebody out. The line judge. Yeah, Carl Chaffers.
Starting point is 02:16:11 Carl Chaffers. Former Chief. He should not be named. He should not be named. He was called. Carl Chaffers. Born in Southern California, 63 years old, same age as dad. The Raiders were in Oakland when he was a kid.
Starting point is 02:16:24 But I'm kind of starting to wonder. And let's get Fax's viral. moment of the week and get on our merry way. My fax is viral moment of the week this week is going to Nick Sabin on his visit. I don't know what these new college visits are composed of, but he is showing his recruits around his Ferrari dealership that he owns and they're taking pictures in, I guess, his everyday Ferrari that he drives. And the picture that's going viral, he has bags of dip in his armrest or like in his
Starting point is 02:16:56 compartment on the door, the car. And then on top of it, he has three styrofoam cups stacked in the middle console where he obviously doesn't have someone in there that's telling them about like new culture. That is promoting drugs. That's promoting. What's he got in there? That's the thing. I'm looking at all. Rappers, they get into a nice car Ferrari.
Starting point is 02:17:18 You're saying because he's got the star phone cup. You think he's drinking lean? Hey, double triple stacks. I just think that it's something that he. probably looked or someone told them this will look cool. But in the same breath, I think it looks kind of like you're out of tune and out of touch of what's going on. Man, come on.
Starting point is 02:17:37 I'm just saying, bro. I think he's, I think he has had a water cup three days in a row and he's just stacked it up as he's going to go in the car. Yeah, I think he drinks like Dr. Pepper and shit. And honestly, if you stack three styrofoam cups in my vehicle, I wouldn't even notice. So I'm out of touch, too. You wouldn't notice in your Ferrari? You wouldn't notice three star warm cups there?
Starting point is 02:17:56 Look, they both have double stacked. Cups right now. I'm thinking about Michigan. It's not about the... How does he know that? You know? That's what I mean. You got to get more into it.
Starting point is 02:18:05 Nick Savan, the drug addict. Nick Savan, automatically on drugs. You heard it here first, folks. And we are not on drugs. That was a lot of fun. That was a fun show. We had some hot takes.
Starting point is 02:18:17 Nice, nice going. Now I'm going to go to a rally in the street. Yeah, there's a rally. Presidential? No, there's a rally that anti- Patrick Mahomes rally. Oh. I figured you guys would want to be there. I thought 45 was in town.
Starting point is 02:18:31 Remember yesterday? Remember when he punched a baby? Yeah, 45 was in town. He'll be back in town. Thanks to many. That's what he sounded like yesterday. Well, that's what the rally's going to go on. Who?
Starting point is 02:18:43 Hold me back. Hold me back, guys. Thanks for coming, everybody. Tell your friends. Bring a friend next week.

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