Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Week 4 Recap. Cam Jordan on Saints & Covid. 2020 NFL Quarterly Reports & Week 4 Superlatives.

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

(0:53) - Open and Watching Football in Chris Long's Man Cave. (31:15) - Cam Jordan on New Orleans Saints, Getting his First Sack of 2020, and Alvin Kamara's Grill. (50:45) - 2020 NFL Quarterly Reports. (1:20:43) - Week 4 Superlatives. Sign up for your DraftKings account at https://www.draftkings.com/sportsbook and use promo code : Greenlight Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Big show today. The first month of the season is in the books, and Makin and I will review. We'll also talk to Cam Jordan, who will join us from New Orleans, fresh off that big comeback win last night against the lions. And we'll talk about that COVID scare as well. And what's going on around the league with COVID? We'll hit the Bucks, Chargers, duel between two quarterbacks who couldn't be any more different in age and circumstance. And then we'll hit the awards from Sunday as well. Happy Monday, everybody. This is the Greenlight Pot. I'm your host, Chris Long,

and I know you got two Monday night football games to watch. So you can throw this thing in 1.5 times speed as my wonderful co-host making Gunner suggested in the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Romo's a good listen. I'm not so sure about the ESPN guys yet. Levy, great sports center anchor. I love Levy.

I don't know about him as a play-by-play guy. But yeah, we'll try to talk a little bit. ourselves. Maybe we'll get up to a 1.1, 1.2 naturally. We'll try to talk faster so you can go and watch the games. But what you can also do is listen to this podcast while you're watching the games. Yes, yes. I think what Macon means to say is that he likes us better than the Monday night crew. Well, that's a tough job. That's a tough job. God, nobody, we've talked about this last year with booger and tests. Like, that job is one of those, it's a shiny object, but it could, it's 50-50 the end of your career as you know it. Yeah. I like Redick. Greasy's fine. They're

Voices are the same. I might get a little too technical talking about monotones. I'm very familiar with a monotone. Riddick, one of my favorite football minds. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen, Steve Levy, big fan. But you get Romo in the early game, evidently.

Yeah, Nancy Romo. And listen, I know you're not with me on this, and we could dive into this on another pod because we've got a pack show today. I am all about two Monday night games with regularity. Yeah, I couldn't disagree with you more. Or, though I look forward to Thursday night, I'd rather go back to all day, Sunday,

split it up evenly, earlys and late, Sunday night, and then Monday night, have it be special. One game. Let's just get the slate a little better. I mean, tonight, obviously, we got some good ball games. And I think Firepower with the Falcons,

that's probably a close game with Devante Adams out, and Lizard out too. Lizard's out. Yeah. Oh, boy. And Julio probably going for the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, boy. Hey, your guy, Cam Jordan on this show.

Yeah, Cam Jordan's going to be joining us today from the New Orleans Saints who got off the Schneide yesterday with a sack early in the game against the Detroit Lions. One of the best rushers in the game period over the last, you know, five, seven, ten years since he's been in a league. And a complete player. We talk about that sometimes. There's only a few that can really do both at an elite. level and he does that. So we'll have him on to talk about the COVID scare, getting that sack, and what's next for the Saints. Also, an update on something we talked about with Kekner last week.

We uncovered the article. The article in question for those of y'all who didn't listen to the pod late last week. There was a rift between my co-host and my lovely dad, Howie Long. for about 12 years. Nah, I wouldn't say 12 years. You guys just don't run in the same social circles. It was a long time. It was uncomfortably long. It was an unnecessary rift,

and it was an unnecessarily long, I mean, it was like a joking riff, but it was like a lot of truth is said in jest. I think for a while there, he felt scorned by the fact that you wrote a disparaging article about our high school football team fresh out of high school.

I think he looked at it as like this intense loyalty thing and really you were just doing your job. You were talking about strength of schedule. We're watching ball yesterday together. I'll give my review of your setup. And we call my dad, who has the archives. Yeah. The stacks, as they call it, at the library.

I used to go to the library a lot in college. The rare bookroom. And he uncovered the article from 2006, and we read it. Fine article, balanced. It really lods our high school team, quarterbacked by your little brother. Yeah. D-Line and O-lined by your younger brother.

Yeah, and tight-ended occasionally. Fine article. We'll get your dad's response. How about Kyle? Yeah, we got to get him on to have this conversation. I thought the article was fair. I actually side with you here. And I don't know if this is going to start a riff with me and my dad that might last over a decade.

Yeah. I took a picture of the article. Perhaps I post it. Yeah, perhaps you post it. Hey, about that, my brother, Kyle, single-digit guy in high school, number nine. Yeah. What's the psychology of the single digit? You might have been ahead of the curve because now all the guys in college at least,

well, you can't in the NFL. They like to go single digits, especially when you get to select your numbers, their little draft we have at UVA. Single digits are off the board right away. Listen, I think if you see a big guy in a single digit, it's a red flag. And yeah, sometimes. Not for Kyle Long. Kyle Long ended up being a really good pro.

And we weren't evaluating that certainly in high school. But when I see a guy in college playing into your defensive line with a single digit, I don't know, haven't done a study, not a fan of it. Hey, one of the hardest things I've ever seen in my entire life, Virginia has a backup quarterback wearing 99 who caught a touchdown pass last week. Yeah, that was hard. That was hard. Now, I got to talk to you.

I approached your home yesterday. I hadn't seen your new gym, so I wanted to take a look. there's a beautiful bird at the doorstep not in flight obviously sitting thought it was deceased it's not it's looking around I feel bad I don't want to touch the bird

beautiful bird dark green and black I don't like feather birds I wasn't going to touch it but I was like hey buddy what what's what's the deal assuming flew into some glass you have beautiful glass around that structure

and so I go and look at the gym a couple power cleans, you know, come back out five minutes later. He does some power cleans. Bird is still on the ground and I'm like, darn, run into your lovely wife, Meg. He might have a cervical spine injury. I say, hey, Meg, I think we got a flightless bird outside the gym. She brings one of your sons down to take a look. They get within about two feet of the bird, and the bird flies away, almost impales your son.

Uncle Macon. And as it turns out, the bird had sat down. to defecate. I didn't know this was a thing. I thought they just flew and shit. I thought even if you had an internal struggle as a bird, you're still flying around, just dropping it on your Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Or you're on a branch dropping it on your Toyota Tundra. Sorry to docks. No, it's okay. I got a sweet tundra. The bird dropped the biggest bird deuce I have ever seen right outside your gym and almost took off into the face your child. We've had a lot of number two talk on this on this pod. Yeah. There'll be more today.

Yeah. I think. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for pointing that out because I had no idea they did that. Maybe some of the listeners out there are or anthologists. Is that the right word? It's close, if not spot on. Google that because I'd love to know if I was right for my own edification. I didn't know they'd shit like that. Shouts out. Do you want to go first? Sure. I would love to. My lovely wife, Kate, made a dank chicken and white bean chili last night. Dank is good, correct? Yeah, dang's good.

It was awesome. Hey, folks, that time of year, it's fall, weather. Mmm. Chicken, white bean, chili. It was delicious. Zoe, Zoe, the Red Lab had surgery 10 days ago. She is now out of leash protocol, which was really a pain in the butt to take a six-month lab on a leash every time she. goes outside but she's cleared the 10 days back to normal uh good on you if y'all lab folks have any

tips on keeping the ears clean and a nice chew toy i am uh all ears no no pun no callback intended uh because she's she's tearing up some stuff yeah she's a ball dog that's where you went wrong you got a ball dog yeah and you're not a ball owner no i am i got lots of balls i got a especially tennis balls i throw for it nah it's good Good. Okay, you guys are getting along good. We're in good shape. Shouts out to Jimmy Butler.

I know that might be the lone NBA mention on the pod. There's an NBA. Yeah, I really didn't know until like the late third quarter of the NFL game that was going on. I was watching the birds. That was, I mean, that makes sense that I was watching the birds, but I suspect even if it were like, I don't know, Jets, Broncos, I might be watching that over the NBA finals right now. Jimmy Butler put the team on his back dough. Yeah, he did. without Drogich and without out of bio.

And now that series is 2-1. Jimmy Butler is going to become like the mascot of OAN if they beat the Lakers and the LeBrons. I mean like the Wright hates LeBron. Watch this. If Jimmy Butler is going to get invites to like the next RNC if they beat the Lakers.

There's a weird dynamic going on there. But yeah, maybe it's a series. We'll see. I'm shouting out Santa Clara officials who made Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth wear a mask during the broadcast and Al absolutely hated it. Like, bro, perhaps it's just for optics, but everyone's looking at you. So just do it. He made a snide remark every quarter about having to wear a mask. Listen, I had it with the volume down, but I read something about that.

Al's in the booth complaining about a mask and you've got a guy down there throwing to people who like, you've never heard of. Like Carson Wentz's offensive line is four or five gone for much of the game and he's throwing to guys who have silhouettes in the program. Shadow men. Like you're complaining in the booth about that and there's a guy down there working with that.

Just consider what you're complaining about. Sound quality was not affected. My final shout out, stays in Santa Clara. C.J. Bethard gave us an ending. Yeah. I almost jinxed it. Like four minutes to go in the game,

I basically, I sent out this tweet that I've been holding accidentally. Okay, it was in my drafts and I kind of just like hit send and I was like, I'm not going to delete it. Fuck it. It said, first place in the NFCE question mark with a GIF. Stephen Colbert, gif.

Shout out to Stephen Colbert, one of the funniest people on the planet. With the slow smile, the uneasy slow smile. Oh yeah. I got lit up for a solid 10 minutes. and it's, Chris, this is all your fault. I'm like, nah, doesn't work this way also. Like, maybe take your ass to Novacare and talk to the coaches

if they blow this game. Like, not the guy tweeting that we should expect to be in first place holding a double-digit lead against the lowly San Francisco 49ers right now deep into the fourth quarter. And Bethard trops out and just dimes. I think Beather. I don't know why Beatherd hasn't been in the ballgame from the start. Is there something I'm missing with that dynamic there?

Well, yeah, because Mullins threw, he's on a list with the greats in the first nine games. Okay, well, the real Nick Mullins is going to stand up, and I really like Bethard when I'd seen him in action in previous years. He was great. It might have even started 14 of 14. It was something nuts. And then he had to spike, I think, was his first in completion. And then that Hail Mary is not easy to do. That Hail Mary hung up there a long time, especially for a guy whose fault it would have been for tweeting early.

Right. It was perfectly thrown. Gave his guys a shot. Kittle was down there. Kittle who went 15 for 183. But C.J. Bethard, thank you for giving us a good ending to our Sunday night. Well, some of us. I mean, it was in the bag for me. I loaded up on the birds. Loaded up on the birds.

I loaded up on the birds plus eight and halftime plus six. You can't say that I don't believe in the birds. I had a girl tweet at me yesterday in being very fair about Carson. somebody tweeted a question about Deshawn versus Carson and why doesn't Deshawn get as much crap? Well, Deshawn's playing better, but I think they're both quarterbacks who could play better and they're both quarterbacks who have been hamstrung

by their organizations a bit here. But Deshawn's got more to work with than Carson right now. Make no mistake about it, Carson has not played as well as Deshawn. That's not what I'm implying. After a synopsis like that that was very even keel, I got, I like realistic, but I also like loyal from one of my followers. I don't know how much more loyal you could be

to the Philadelphia Eagles than retiring because you don't want to play somewhere else. Like literally, that's literally how it went down. Saved Carson all last fall in the media. Everybody was just trashing him as he threw to nobody. And I put my money where my mouth is last night and it was a lot of money, by the way.

Units. And the birds came through. A lot of units were. acquired late Sunday to get me back to net zero. Good for you. Yeah, so shouts out to Carson Wentz and the birds. Okay, the air is really thin atop the NFC East. Oxygen mask thin, like, you're number one guys.

Congratulations. Carson, listen, he missed a lot of throws last night and he's gotta break the habit of forcing things, especially on first down. That's the frustrating part. He reminds me a little too much of me chasing late Sunday night, betting the more on the birds, which a few of my friends cautioned me

against in Eagle's circles, not on the team or in the organization, but media members. I told him it's gonna happen. You knew Travis Folgum would. I knew Travis Fulgum would catch that bomb. Catch and toe tap and. Yeah, I mean, listen, here's the deal with Carson

in extending plays. Somebody needs to show him this, I'm sure they have. But just last night, when he takes over four seconds to throw the ball, That's an extended play. That's when, you know, you might call it hero ball, not knowing when to quit. And I think his best asset is his worst sometimes

and that he's just not a quick guy. He doesn't know how to burn the ball or step out of bounds. He was one of six for 13 yards and interception holding the ball over four seconds. Last year, the public thought I was like the VP on the Carson Apology Tour ticket and Dan Orlovsky was probably the president,

bigger platform, yeah, quarterback. Yeah. I was probably the VP. I'm more of a counter puncher than Dan. Yeah, y'all are both equally annoying though on the subject. Yeah, got it. This year I've been really hard on Carson. Would you agree? Is my voice cracks? Yeah, yeah, you've been better. I'll just jump in as somebody who was watching Greg Ward on every single snap for fantasy football purposes. Carson, sometimes just throw it. Anticipate the break. Yeah. Trust your guy. and I know you don't have all your guys. Yeah, it's hard.

I think sometimes we do discount reps with players, you know, just knowing where a guy's going to be and that sort of thing. And I've been tough on him. He has forced the ball in a tight windows deep. He's missed some easy throws. Sometimes his mechanics are off. He seems to miss a lot low.

And this is me being a moron couch quarterback, literally, who doesn't know how to play the position, but he's missing intermediate throws low. And I asked the quarterback about it, and they say that's like an aim thing. When you're over aiming, you hold on the ball too long, and you guide it and it'll do the opposite of sailing.

But when it mattered, okay, the throw he made to that guy, what's his name? Folgum. He probably met that guy on the plane ride to San Francisco or unlike the tarmac. 25 years old out of Old Dominion. I don't even know when he joined the team, but I'm guessing they don't know each other well.

That was a thing of beauty. throw was sensational. And that doesn't mean he played a great game, but in crunch time, he made the throw he had to make. Again, he's throwing two shadow men in the program. And, you know, those are the guys who don't have the pictures yet. And all over, again, we're going to have a hard time evaluating him this year. That's not to say that we can't make judgments off basic throws that he misses. But when it counted last night, he made a big throw. A win is a win. I'm happy for him. The Eagles have now run three plays leading in the fourth

quarter on the season. But wait that's not many. There's more they're in good company. The Giants and the Cowboys have run zero. A fucking zero. This many plays leading in the fourth quarter. It's actually unbelievable. You know who has the most

plays run with a lead in the fourth quarter in the division? Well, the team I haven't mentioned the Washington football team with 11 and they were all run against my birds. That's 14 plays leading in the fourth quarter four division. Yeah, that's not many. Hey, you, uh, anything to Zach Ertz,

just getting, just product of getting more attention? Four for nine last night. Well, I think it's because he's on my fantasy team. Anybody, I'm like the kiss. I'm the kiss of death. The Liberty cucks, the Liberty cuckolds are the kiss of death. In a dog fight tonight to get their first win, by the way. Keep an eye out for that, folks.

Hellare and we need Ridley to have big games. I'm down 20 points to the bad back Kevin Backy's. I think we're going E-Lair, by the way. Are you going? Oh yeah, it is E-Lair, right. I'm trying to learn that. Well, Levy really went in on E-Lair last week. We'll see what Nance does tonight.

Well, because Levy's a pro. I'm not. Hey, don't forget the D-Line though. I didn't shout them out. D-Line held this thing together. BG had some really closer-type moments. My boy, Gumby, Derek Barnett, with a sack. He blew up a toss early in the game.

I mean, he ran right through a Hall of Fame tackle that everybody loves right now. So don't tell me that Derek Barnett is not a good football player. Derek Barnett needs to stay healthy. That's my knock on him. The coolest play of the game for DB was on that IOC touchdown, which was acrobatic and all that. Derek Barnett outruns everybody to the corner of the end zone

to try to make that play and finish. And sometimes we do that cliche, moral victory shit. I love the kid. All he does is play hard, and I'm pulling for him. I know it's tough in Philly when you've had injuries, and the sack numbers are down as a product of that. He's a good football player.

The last couple weeks, the Eagles have just been dominant up front, and they're getting production from a lot of different people, 13 sacks, 33 hits. And then Cravon, LeBlanc, shout out to him. One of those plays that if you make a playoff push, you remember that play. You know, they're on the ropes,

the seasons on the ropes, comes in on a blitz and puts his helmet on the ball and forces the turnover. Also our boy hot rod with the pick in Eagles territory. So big plays mixed in in the secondary as well. And I believe it was BG

who intentionally knocked over the official to get his defensive breather there on the last drive. And the funniest thing is I think officials are being really dramatic this year. Like they're all acting. IBG is a fucking big man, okay? Bigger than you think.

I mean, he's a bowling ball, but he nudged that official. And my man went down, you know, like he got hit by a truck. Yeah. So I'm calling on officials to be less dramatic, but heads up play if that's what it was.

So what does that result last night? I mean for the Niners. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it. The Niners aren't going to the playoffs, man. If they lose this weekend, I'm pretty sure they're not going to the playoffs. We don't know what the timetable is on Jimmy G. I've had a high ankle.

It's bad. It's tough. Even if you give it rest, I'm sure it's tough. And, you know, throwing mechanics can be really altered by where you're generating your power from your lower half and, you know, you're torquing and pushing off. I don't know he's going to be like when he gets back. I don't know when he's getting back. With all due respect to George Kittle, who's the fucking werewolf love him. It'd be a shame if we didn't see them in the playoffs.

And the Eagles couldn't cover them. They're two and two. They got the dolphins next. The line will be interesting in that game. I don't know what it is. Win. That's a win. I don't know if it's a win.

Playing at home. I don't know if it's a win. Where they're 0 and 2. They also lost the Eagles last night at home. I think Fitzmagic is you got them at quarterback there and that's where it starts for me. And they've got the range. Rams, Pats, Seahawks, Packers, Saints, Rams, and Bills in their six, seven games after the

Dolphins. So the next eight weeks, the closest thing to a gimmy is the Miami Dolphins who have been ultra competitive this year. So I don't know what they have to do in that stretch, but it could get ugly for them and could put them behind the eight ball. It's pretty obvious to me, even with a healthy Jimmy G with the injuries they have around them, that the Rams are the number two in that division and are going to vie for the number one spot. So it's going to be tough. The only saving grace is the NFCE sucks,

so we've got one more wildcard team, and that might not be amazingly occupied by an NFCE team. So we'll see with a new playoff format, can they slide in. I also want to give a shout out to Josh Norman, okay? the beleaguered Josh Norman of late. A guy who was like the thing and then people just love to hate him online because he played some ball

that wasn't the best brand in unideal circumstances schematically. I still think he can help the bills. He had been inactive until Sunday and I think was forced into action because of a Levi Wallace injury. He had the biggest play of the game defensively for them. That Darren Waller punch out

was, I mean, it's absolutely what they needed. The game was tight late, beginning of the fourth, 2317, Raiders driving, 12 to go. Norman's manned up on Aguilar, who runs a slant, comes off it when he sees Waller in the flat. And you couldn't catch it on the game, the regular game footage, but when they went to replay,

the most beautiful peanut punch. I mean... What's a peanut punch? It is, Charles Tillman's kind of hallmark, and if you remember Charles Tillman, he's the Bears, maybe Hall of Famer.

People talk about him in that light. And we call him Peanut. Peanut Tillman is the nickname, which is a great nickname. It's up there. He had the most amazing knack for coming in, timing up a punch right in the bread basket

where that ball is. Very accurate, almost punching down a lot of times to find the soft spot on that football and created a ton of turnovers that way. And also a lot of times they were able to secure the tackle as well. It's hard enough to tackle in space in the NFL to be able to create a turnover and secure the tackle is big. And Josh would have had the tackle, helped out on the tackle, but got the ball out.

And in a situation like that, we talked about with the LeBlanc play earlier, that's a play you look back on their season. You don't know what happens. Maybe the Raiders come down and punch it in and have a lead. this is going to be in the AFC a tight race for different spots. All these plays matter and he recovered the ball too.

Next play Josh Allen shot to Diggs, beautiful route out then back in and stacks who was it Eric Harris and Mosses him and I fucking love Stefan Diggs it's unhealthy how much I like the guy for having gone to Maryland

Singletary for the score they basically iced the game and the defense hadn't forced a Raiders punt until before the possession late in the third. So if you're on defense and you're just you can't get a stop, I've been on those sidelines, there's a, there's a tense feeling of who's going to make a play because we can't just do it making them punt for some reason right now, whether it's third down or they're too good on first down. That's the play. And that was huge. The bills watched three straight leads shrink

the last month of the season. It felt like this is happening all over again. And you get a 32-year-old beleaguered Josh Norman that might make a play that makes a big difference down the stretch. Do you remember Nomdi Awesome Wong? Yeah, I do.

That's it. Nothing further. I do. It didn't go as well for him in Philly. People still talk about that. Yeah, he went from best defensive player

to... That's interesting. That's an interesting comp there. Yeah. Shouts out to you for that. Thank you. Who's your favorite corner of all time?

Of all time? Besides Jason Seahorn. Yeah. Let me think about that one. Shall I? Yeah, Ronde Barber. I'll get back to you. Ronde would be, Ronde transcends being a corner, though.

That's the problem. I'm just thinking about like a corner, corner. Let me get back to you. Final shout out, shouts out to Cooper Cup. I was having an emergency type Sunday, and he was the paramedics, to just get me in range to where I could make a big play Sunday night. To get back to zero,

I had the Rams in a teaser with the Seahawks and for those folks at home, that means both things have to hit. I needed the Seahawks to win by a half point or whatever was. Didn't sweat that at all, not even for a minute, didn't even put the game on my screen. The game that had me sweating was the Rams and they had to win by seven points.

Of course they ended up winning by eight. That was about to be a really dark Sunday for me. And the 55-yard touchdown absolutely saved me, blown coverage, turns it into an eight point game. The Rams last three drives before halftime. Now we're transitioning into real football, not gambling. Who cares about my bank account? That's really what hurt them as far as putting these guys away.

They had a chance to go into the half, up 14-3, 21-3. They couldn't do it. They go into the half. It's a tight ball game. Your possessions are these. There's the Everett fumble, which leads to points. Then you have a three-and-out that ends in a fackerel sack. on a third and medium, that's really golf's fault.

He's got Malcolm Brown open in the flat, I believe it was. Doesn't even look there, holds the ball. Next possession, that's the real killer. First and goal at the five, you give up an Austin Jackson sack on an empty protection bust, then you go screen for a negative, and then it's third and goal on the 14,

you just went for it on fourth and one to extend the drive. And the best you got for me is a wide receiver, bubble screen basically to Robert Woods which is knocked down for loss as well is it four down territory do you think you can score from the 14 I don't know I'm not a head coach I think McVeigh's done a terrific job

but your boy was a little bit a little bit shaky most of Sunday because they couldn't put this thing away and maybe good teams are entitled to snoozers against your giants maybe your giants are like NyQuil if you're on the field with them you just get tired I take no offense that's fine play competitive games

but lose, rise up that draft board, I'm all about it. I pronounce Cooper Cooper Cooper. Why? Well, some people do. Cooper, Cooper, Cooper, Cooper. Cooper Cup. I tell you who does it, the Manning family. Oh, they do?

Yeah, Peyton, Eli, and Cooper. They say Cooper? Cooper, yeah. That's fucking weird. This is a thing. I also respect their right to pronounce Cooper's name however you want. Yeah, cool. Cooper's town.

I'm really bad with the... Oh, finally. the guy poking the bear. Nick Gates, I had to look him up, 65. What are you doing, bud? I mean, like, I kind of, I have the respect. You know the wing suit guys?

That's the kind of respect I have for Nick Gates is his name. I have wingsuit guy level respect for Nick Gates. You're getting into an altercation with a guy in a sport of thousands of alpha males who would be the last one out of the alley.

He would climb over all the body. and emerge into the daylight. And you're getting in a back and forth with this guy. Third year dude out of Nebraska, I Googled him thinking he was probably like maybe had some cauliflower ears, like MMA confidence that I'm missing. Or he was a rassler or something.

No, the guy's just a kid from, where do you go to high school? Bishop Gorman in Vegas. Yep, it's a preparatory school. I actually Wikipedia did that because I was like, maybe he went to a tough school. Nah,

He's got some, he's got a death wish, wingsuit guy. He's a gambler, Vegas. Wing suit guy. My guy needs to snap the ball faster. We've covered that ground on this podcast. Yeah. It's my only critique. He almost had his head snap back a little bit, but I do respect him for that. I think Aaron probably respect him too.

He's complimentary of him going into the game. So here he is. We're going to be having Cam Jordan on as I teased earlier. And as part of this Victory Monday thing, we're donating $500 to the charity of our guest's choice. If you play in the NFL and you just won a game last night and you want to come on the show and talk shit, we will donate 500 bucks to the charity of your choice.

And that, in this case, is the New Orleans Hurricane Relief fund that's been set up by United Way. Cam Hand picked that one. So without further ado, let's get number 94 on. So we got our first real live NFL guest on a Monday. I had to pull some strings. I texted my guy late at night. One of the best in the game,

one of my favorites. Cam Jordan is joining us on the Victory Monday hotline. Cam, how he's feeling this morning? Meg, more blessed to be alive. You know, every day you get another opportunity to get better. And especially when, you know, you can't come in on Monday. You can at least get your body right. As you know, as the years where we're,

who are on, I need to get right, right, before I can enter the, into the same mind frame of all right, moving on to the next opponent. That 24 hour rule is clutch. Dude, I hear you. How old are you now? Are you 30 yet? 31. 31. You're 10. So, so the question is, and I felt this later in my career, what day do you feel good, like coming into Sunday? It always took me to like Saturday when I was on the other side of 30. If I took 70 snaps like you took, yesterday. I might be limping around until Friday. Oh, man, honestly, probably the first eight to 10

weeks. I'm usually good by Wednesday. Good for you. That's why you're still bawling out. Some of us have arthritis, bro. I'm probably going to have that down the line. I just hope it's not any time to too soon. Dude, so we switched up. We had Dante High Tower here in the background. I had Hyde's jersey on for the last year, really since the inception of the show. And I haven't changed it once. I saw a friend in trouble. You were slumping, and I know exactly how it feels to slump. You don't slump much. You started

the first three weeks of the season with the goose egg in the sack column, and you're double digits every year. We switch the jersey. I'm just saying, dude, I'm not saying we made the play for you, but we served it up for you. Hey, I'll take any and all positive vibes.

I needed it. And when you know, like, if you go O for that first game, like, man, I'm getting double. Second, double. I'm getting shit, I'm getting nudged. At the end of the end of the day, this is a production business. And you're like, you know, you get frantic with the past rushes. Those swipes become so much faster, you know, the long market. It's like, I'm killing this man.

And yet I can't get this sack. I was like, it's got to be me. You start like, all right, well, maybe I need to switch up cleats. Maybe I trust the process. Are you superstitious that way? Because I, listen, three games. And this is what I try to explain to people. If you get a sack in the first game, you're playing with house money.

If you get a sack in the first quarter of a game, you're playing with house money. Like the longer that first one drags out, the panic is just so real. Do you ever, do you ever, like, switch up some superstition? You mentioned the cleats and whatnot. No, I was just, I was talking to Chandler Jones earlier about it because he had one, week one and been sort of like quiet the last two weeks. And he was like, bro, he's like, I'm getting nervous. It's like that, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? I had reached yet for me. I'm like, yeah, I'm still playing the hell out this run. Like at the end of the day, I came into the league a runstopper. I got nobody ever pronounced me a pass rusher. So I'm like, as long as I'm stopping this run, eventually this act will come. And when they come, they come in bunches. So I hadn't hit that super nervous yet.

But I was looking at the cleats like, maybe it's the cleats. Maybe I need to go back to the retro ones. Maybe it's the retro tens. Maybe it's me. No, it's not you, dude. A lot of times it's so funny, you'll have zero and fans will just look at that and they don't watch the tape. You get close.

You get home a lot. You talk about getting slide all the time. The ball comes out quick some games. You don't have leads. I mean, it's tough, man. I mean, you've really, you had Tom Brady in the first game. You had Derek Carr. You had Derek Carr.

And then you had Aaron Rogers, who you're always nervous about jumping the snap count on. No doubt. No doubt. So it's good to get that. How did it feel to get that off your back? It was good. Like I said, it's like, you know, you get one in the first quarter. Now you're really gunning for him.

Yeah. Sort of pin the ears back in and really good after it. And it was like, the one time I thought I was going to get one. It was like, Trey, Trey Hendrickson, they've got it in his, got a sack on him earlier. I was like, all right. I thought I was coming out with two pieces game. All right. Yeah.

My guys, that's all that matters is we getting this dub. How's, what's been Trey's, what's been the key to Trey taking the next step? Because I've seen him show up a lot. And, you know, you're the guy there, but it's nice to have a number two rusher out there on the edge to compliment you. What have you seen from him taking the next step this year? I mean, I've been talking about him since, you know, last year the way he was coming off the edge are really humming. I think now he's just getting his his chance and people are actually seeing that he is a pretty stout defense event in terms of being able to play the

run and hold the edge as well as getting after the passer. I mean, he's got some double high swipes. I'm not going to lie. You know, he looked up to guys like you, he'll tell you himself. He's like, bro, he's like, he's like, you know, I've been watching Chris Long's film since, you know, since since. And you talk about, he like looked after Ryan Kerrigan. I'm like, yo, if I could just do a high, a high rip rush like that, like I could have, I could have 10 easy. But the defense we play, you know, we got to be able to turn a five to seven. Anything other than that is like blasphemy. Yeah, that's the thing.

It just depends on the defense you play and you got to be cognizant of rush lanes. Do you like the two-point stance? I see you in a two-point stance on that sack yesterday. Do you think it makes you feel faster? We always gotten these arguments in D-line rooms over, you know, D-line coach is like getting a three-point. It makes you faster. Well, I don't see receivers in a three-point, and they run plenty fast on-go routes.

where are you on the two-point stance? I don't know if it's faster or not. Honestly, I might be faster in the three-point, but the two-point just gives you a different look. Now you're seeing things, motion in and out the back. You can catch a little of the idiosyncrasies of the office of line and really try and get that good push-off. And really just the two-point lets you know, like,

he could be a speed rusher, but he's still going to give you that top. I'm just trying to give up a different look. Like, I'm not just going to hit you with just power. I might hit you with this chop or this swale and let's see things really go after. Well, sometimes tackles turn just because they're just afraid. Like there's no need to turn and they turn. And then for me, it was always, I didn't mind being in a two point in traffic. And I saw like they were reduced a little bit on your side.

To your point, the vision part is big. I mean, you see everything up there. And I think it just depends on the team and the quarterback you're playing and the situation in the game. Let's talk about this crazy trip. okay I'm like I'm reading Saturday night and I'm like everybody else I can't I can't tell you how bad we all need football for our sanity and I'm like oh shit the the saints have a positive and this is one of the most disciplined teams in a league you guys and I'm thinking to myself like if they cancel this game tomorrow the NFL's behind the eight ball in a big way how did that go down sequentially in Detroit right I mean just this entire week we are already you know headed to Detroit without Marshawn Lattimore without Jack Rabbit, without, you know, Andres Pete, without Marcus Davenport. You know, there was like, you know, Jared Cook, Mike Thomas. It was like seven without.

It's like, all right. I was like, you know, next man up mentality, whatever it is. You know, we're headed towards Detroit with the team that we have. I was like, you know, we've got a week of solid practice in. We head to Detroit. And, you know, of course, you take your test Saturday morning, get to Detroit. I go to sleep. Like, you know, after the team meet, I go to sleep thinking everything's sweet.

I wake up. I got all type of text messages from like different players across the league. Hey, bro, praying for you and the team. I'm like, yo, what's going on? You know, I check the ticket just like everybody else. I'm like, oh, Saints player going, oh, got a positive last night, you know, so then I go to breakfast and it's like I'm talking a couple teammates like, yo, bro, they woke me up at like 1 o'clock in the morning. Like, you know, my phone's off. So I'm trying to get my good sleep in before the game. Phone off, they're banging on the door at 1 o'clock in the morning. You know, protocol kicked in 12 o'clock in the morning.

And, you know, you got to go get to get it. retested. Got to make sure everybody got a false positive or whatever it is or however that works. And it's like some guys didn't go to sleep. He's like, bro, he's like after I got back to the room and like two, three of the morning, like I was up till four. Like, you know, it takes you, it takes you an hour to wind back down. Meanwhile, you got to be on a bus at like 10.30. Dude, that's the worst. I mean, like an early game in a sleepy-ass city like Detroit, I need eight hours. I need like eight to nine hours. And also, if you have kids in the NFL, your best night's sleep is Saturday night. That's solid gold to me. I'll say no doubt. That's like the

like quintessential sleep. Like that I'm making up for some stuff. Like, hey, you know, like you got the whole bed to yourself. Wifey ain't in the bed. You got no kids that are going to wake up in the morning. Like I'm sprawled out like a little last kid. Like I got I got big snowflake mentality on the bed. I love that. I love that. And it's so true. But you guys, you guys fought through it. You had a big win man. And, I mean, you're coming off a two-game skid. You're down 14-0-0 in Detroit to kind of jump you guys. But with everything everybody's been talking about with Drew's arm,

and myself included, I've questioned where his arm's at. I know that the two-game losing streak is tough on a team with high expectations. How do you guys keep shaking stuff off? I mean, from the way the Minnesota miracle to, you know, the disappointment the next year to the early exit. You guys never go away. What is it about your team's mentality and the resiliency? If anything, I think we just take that mentality that it takes more than 11 to beat us, right?

You talk about a miracle. One play away from going in. So we had a young, young, young secondary then. The second year, it was the Rams and it could have gone either, you know, a hit on a defensive receiver going for the ball or a hit on a late hit on Drew Breeze. of course no flas he called and then of course you talk about the Minnesota push off where you know

you got Kyle Rudolph just making it play it's not on him it's got to leave you got to leave it to the pinstrikes to do their job and then of course we know that's not going to happen so you know we all know that it has to be us like we can't leave any room for error if there's room for error we know we're not going

any favors going our way and that's really how we go into every season how we have had to go into every season so we're down two two tugs early in the first quarter. And we looked at each other. It was like, look, we just got to reset, play our, play our defense.

We got to stick to what we know. One three and out is how we got to start it off with. I think it was like seven plays. So it was like, you know, it was like all four. It was on the second three and out situation. But we got off the field and started putting up points and didn't really look back. How about the plane ride back or like the plane ride out there in general right now? I'm not in an NFL building and I haven't asked my buddies enough.

What's it like day to day? And then what's it like traveling to a game? game now. You talk about the the, the, the, uh, Patriots today, they got two planes. They got one plane for Cam's close contacts and they got everybody else. Like, how do you fly in a metal tube and keep this thing from blowing up with the fear that somebody might always have it? Right. I mean, at this point, we're just doing the best we can. We're just rocking the protective mask, the whole flight through. You know, it's like no, everybody sort of gets their own little row or aisle if you're in the regular seats the first class is still sort of spacious they sort of

upgraded at least the saints have into an even bigger plane so there's a little bit more space but at this point we can we can hope you know we can only hope that we don't have to face a situation like that and you know god forbid there had been a positive test you know then we really would have been without it we can deal with right yeah no doubt about it control what you can control and if you're the steelers a week ago i got to feel like you've you controlled exactly what you you control. They're another really responsible team with a lot of leadership and veteran leadership and a coach who's been there.

It's a lot like you guys. Tennessee they didn't fuck it up on purpose but somebody got a positive and then turns into 20 people. If you're playing somebody and they have an outbreak, do you feel like you should be punished for that? Or do you think the league should look at being more punitive to teams that have big outbreaks?

Man, I'll say, I don't even know how that works. You know, in terms of we practice with each other every day, you know, we, we still at the end of the day have to go play a game. So we're all the same mentality. We're all within the same space. You know, at the end of the end of the day, we still have to go to meetings. We still have to be on the field. We still have interactions with each other. So if one is, you know, asymptomatic and out here just carrying and all of a sudden, you know, goes 24 hours, you know, between the tests and has it, I can see how an outbreak can happen. I just hope that it doesn't happen to us. No doubt about it. Hey, Malcolm Jenkins, my dude.

is back home in a sense. Does it feel like a homecoming for him when he showed up because it'd been some years since he was there and how easily has he slid into that leadership spot? Yeah, I mean, you know, you've got leadership on down through the groups and Malcolm is definitely at the forefront of my mind when we talk about leadership within that secondary

and just, you know, who Malcolm is on and off the field aligns with what a leadership look like, you know? How he curious himself, how it goes after the game and just that open line of communication you have within the second. is definitely going to help because, I mean, he forces guys to talk, as you know, you know. So it's really, yeah, super, you know,

super excited to hear, get him back. Because, I mean, I had him his first 10 in New Orleans. And it was like, once he left and went off to Philly and was out there just balling, I was only like, I was like, oh, we sort of needed that help, you know? We had a really good player that left. I mean, there's a reason why he was a first rounder, you know. Of course, he's an Ohio State guy,

which they were probably itching to get him back, you know, all five, fucking Ohio State guys. we got on our team now. Yeah, how about this streak he's got going, man? I can't even imagine this. The streak didn't end yesterday, right? He didn't come out for a cramp or something that I missed. But, like, he's played, I don't know,

how many plays, a couple thousand in a row or something like that? How do you even, like, we couldn't do it. It's just a positional thing more than anything. But even at safety, it's unbelievable to me. Have you kind of watched his regimen and been like, what is this guy doing? Oh, I could do it. If coaches left me in my own devices, I would be in every snap of every.

Yeah. But no, absolutely. I mean, you know, Malch's on, what is he? He's pescatarian, vegan? I don't even know whatever he's on. He's on a lot of different diets. And I think you got to be on a couple diets if you want to do the diet thing now. I mean, Malk has got a weirdo diet.

Exactly. He's vegan, but he'll eat fish every, like once a week. I'm not sure how that goes. At the end of the day, whatever works for him is working for him, clearly. You got Justin Herbert coming up this week. I've watched him a lot. I don't expect that you've watched him a lot yet in the week, but you see throws he makes on SportsCenter, you know, NFL Live.

What do you see from this kid just from a distance? Yeah, I mean, when you talk about the Chargers, I haven't really, you know, I was about to dive into him today, so I'll know more in a couple hours. But, you know, I've seen the ESPN highlights. big arm, but that's almost every quarterback in the league at this point. You know, he's made, he had a special win with his first debut, right? Other than that, you know, I've got to break him down, see what he can do. We know he's coming out Oregon, so we know he can roll, you know, he can

throw, he can do whatever he can. And really, you know, when you got, you got a player like Keenan Allen that you throw into or, you know, Mike Williams or, you know, Hunter Henry, it's not like he, it's not like he's just going out into just some, you know, nobody, wide receiver said he's make big plays and at the end of the day you know their backfield was running pretty well I'm pretty sure the running back got hurt so you know I don't know how that's going to affect the game plan on the other side of the ball for you guys how close is can't guard Mike Camara's been great but it seems like Mike Thomas is the is the one missing ingredient I mean you're putting up 35 yesterday so it's not as if you're lacking but he might

take you to another level is he close uh I like to believe so um If I was reading articles, um, I, that's well, that's all we do. Fuck. We just read articles and just show up and talk to a microphone.

If I was read an article, I believe he was almost ready last week, right? Then he wasn't. So, you know, that just means he was, he was, he wants to be perfect when he comes out here.

So I'm, I'm expecting him to be on the field soon. Before we let you go, I, I want to, I want to ask you the hardest question of the interview so far, which I did not warn you about. Hmm.

I want you to give me one compliment about your, hated rival the Atlanta Falcons. I need one compliment. I need you to dig deep and compliment something about maybe the city, maybe the team, maybe a player you like. Be positive for a day. I think Todd Gurley is a phenomenal person in running back,

you know? He was an MVP of the league at one point. I have nothing but the highest of respects and hopes for Atlanta. I hope that we can all come together and get me to 20 sacks. I'm at Ryan this year. I have it, so let's do it. You know, let's break mold here. There we go.

I mean, a little love for the Falcons in a roundabout way. And speaking of running backs, how much money would you say is invested inside of Alvin Camara's mouth at any given moment? Yeah, I don't understand. Like, how much does that stuff cost, Cam? Look, I feel like my grill and his grill don't shine the same. You know what I'm talking about. So I don't know.

I know what I spend on it. I was just like, yo, my boss. bottoms is my bottoms are nice, but he got bottoms and tops, and they don't look like... So let me, let me ask you it this way. North of 10 grand? Oh, easily. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not in the grill market, bro. I'm not in the grill market. Hey, yeah, easily, easily multiple, multiple 10. And are those in seven days a week or just on Sundays?

It depends. Depends. Like, he'll pop a man when he'll, you know, if he's going out or something like that, he'll pop them in for practice every now and again but it's always going to be there Sunday Timmy Jernigan gave me a little like 101 crash course and how to maintain a grill it looked like a lot of work that's a lot of work that's maybe too much work for a podcaster

but we might we might maybe we'll do a grill day here yeah yeah you gotta go for the slugs you know what I'm saying get you a two piece on the fang in the back tool ooh yeah no Paul wall shit in here just solid gold right we go gold the other shit's dead right

Oh, and since you're cancer, you know what I'm saying? You can get the rubies in there for the birdstone. I got them on the fangs. You know, it gives a little finesse to it. Cam was born July 10th. I'm in July 9th, so we got the cancer thing going. It's good. It's another repetition of me remembering your birthday.

I'm not good at remembering birthdays, but I'll remember now. Yeah, what do I do? I'm Aries. So what stone am I putting in there? I only know my birthday. Okay, okay. Yeah. Cam Jordan, appreciate you, man.

Go get another win. Congrats on getting that first sack. you'll be at 10 in no time maybe 20 with the help of the Falcons 13 gets me to 100 and 100 you know puts you over the top. Oh hell yeah dude I fully expect to see you at 100 man

and wishing the best luck. Love watching you play buddy. Go get another win. I appreciate it bro. Thanks for having me on. Take it easy. Anytime, buddy. Anytime see you. So that was Cam Jordan. Bad news about the whole grill thing. I'm not really ready to make a financial investment like that.

But maybe making it I think they've been one of the most interesting teams of the first quarter. And that's a nice segue into reviewing the first quarter of the season. And then after that, we're going to hit Bucks, Chargers, and stick around for awards. We've got some good stuff there too. So, first quarter, week four of football is in the books, and now it's time to review the tape and get ready for week five. There's no better place to get in on all the action than with Draft King's Sportsbook.

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they were a super bowl contender and instead they are as you astutely put mayonnaise what I mean like something in life that surprises you, but it really doesn't. You shouldn't be surprised. They just, they, I don't think they should surprise anybody from here on out. The dentist? Like, hey, this will be good. Nah. Oh, no, actually this is no good.

Nah, I hate. Like, I hate when they leave, you know, that, that mint stuff in the tray and they, they make your teeth, you know, like the bubble gum. Oh, if you ever pick the bubble gum at the dentist, the bubble gum flavored, fluoride. Oh. But wait, you don't like when they're clean, when it's... I need them to put the suction thing in there the whole time.

Oh, okay. I don't want any spit. I don't want to taste the bubble gum. I like the grimy. You like the bubble gum? I don't know if it's bubble gum. I actually don't get to choose anymore. I'm not 11.

They just put it on there. They don't ask me for a flavor. Oh, maybe they like to give me a choice. Maybe. Did the listeners get a choice at the dentist? I didn't know this was a thing. Please report back listeners. Yeah, my surprise would be, I guess,

the bills being Super Bowl bound for sure if not for one side of the ball and that's the fence, I don't get it. Also the Colts conversely winning games on defense with an offensive head coach and a quarterback with baggy sleeves. Yeah. I mean,

there's a lot wrong with that picture, but you got to like where you're at if you're the Colts right now. I was right about the Seahawks and the Steelers. I'm not saying, like listen, I have them in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying they're, I'm taking a victory lap, but they're unbeaten.

That's a good barometer for your Super Bowl picks being competitive to be in the mix when the chickens come home to roost here on the Greenlight Pod with our preseason picks. They'll be in the hunt, man. They'll be in the hunt. The Seahawks are in the driver's seat in the NFC West. They can score with anybody. The Steelers are in prime position. They've got a team that, like, I think they'll have a really good record, but still sneak up on the AFC elites.

I don't think anybody's really including them in that conversation, but that will change when they beat the Ravens. And they've got more experience where it matters, I think, arguably, than anybody in the AFC period. And I know Andy Reid, I get that, Mike Tomlin's been around a long time, Big Ben's been around a long time. And that team is littered with leaders and veterans. A lot like that Saints team down south,

and we just heard from Cam Jordan. So leadership, continuity. They also match up well against the best teams in the AFC. And we already know Baltimore has some bad matchups, at least one this year. That's becoming a trend. Playing from behind is a problem for them.

Steelers can win ball games a lot of different ways. I'll take a quarter of a victory lap on the L.A. Rams. Yeah, you should. The Cleveland Browns, I guess, at 3-1. and the Green Bay Packers, Chris. Do you have any comments about the Green Bay Packers? I was wrong about the Packers, okay? I was wrong about the Packers.

You mentioned the Rams who I was wrong about. I was also wrong about the Lions. That's my biggest snafu. Just a little fuck up. You know, sometimes you pick the Lions to win the NFC North. Sometimes you just make a mistake. We all fuck up sometimes. That's my one bugaboo, the NFC North.

Yeah, Lions go at Jack. at Falcons, home Colts at Vikings, home Washington team. They could climb back. They could climb back. Doesn't look likely to me. They're making all sorts of history.

Let's just put the collapses in perspective, shall we? They joined the 2011 Vikings as the only two teams to lose three out of four first games after having double digit leads. They've blown six straight games in which they lead by double digits. They own that record all by themselves.

Congratulations. Now, here's where, I think they're fucking up. Last year, late in the year, you count some of those games in the streak against them, but they didn't have Stafford. This is where they fucked up. They should have sat Stafford this year.

Stafford's given them leads that are unmanageable, okay? They're best trying to manage their leads. It's like load management, but lead management. It's something that I think that the Lions should subscribe to. It's a new trend. It started here.

Get up two scores, put in Chase Daniel. Or just don't get up two scores. Right. Play close ball games and then take Chase Daniel. And then Matt Stafford closes it. Okay. I think we're onto something here, okay? Potentially.

Take last Sunday for instance against the Cardinals. They're only one of the season. No double digit leads, okay? Good game plan. Congratulations. They gave up 28 straight again yesterday for the second week in a row. 17 to 3 at Green Bay and 14 nothing down versus the Saints. And I've said this time and time again. If you're a defensive head coach, like a Dan Quinn or a Matt Patricia,

you can't lose games continually because the defense just poops themselves. I mean, like, literally just accidents. The Lions are Ricky Bobby's dad. Things were going good, weren't they? That's exactly why I had to blow it up. I don't know what organ or bone people have that makes them act right, but I was born with that and I'm no good. Ricky Bobby's dad got our hopes up, right?

Just like my hopes were up at the start of the season for the NFC North champion lions. he trains Ricky he's back together with the old lady they go to Applebee's but then it goes south right there's the dinner meltdown that's so infamous

I hate to be a pain darling but I ask for no onions on my bourbon steak I mean Applebee's has rats listen they're just Ricky Bobby's dad when things go well

they just they're not comfortable with success and if you're you're not first, you're last, indeed. And I knew that maybe when I picked them. I was wrong about the Rams, though, as well. I do want to point that out, and Rams fans were all my asses.

Like, you know me, I don't take the Rams thing personally. Some people are like, if you talk bad about the Rams, you're mad at the Rams. Of all the franchises that I played for, the Rams don't rank high on the list of hard feelings. Coach of the Year? For me, it's Matt Lefleur. Now, I hope that holds up. Ricky, booby. I hope that.

He probably likes craves. that motherfucker. I hope that holds up after Monday night against the Atlanta Falcons. But hey,

there were a lot of skeptics that 13 and 3 wasn't real. And now they're sitting at 3, potentially 4-0. Aaron looks great.

Running game is Matt's bread and butter. Chef's kiss. Yeah. And they've done it with some with some dudes

banged up and Devante Adams won't play Monday night. But yeah, unbeaten. It might not face a lot of resistance in that division. I'm going to try my best

not to bet the Packers' Falcons game tonight. That's a big stay away. I could go Matt Rule. I think there's an argument to make for the Panthers being competitive in that division next year. Like competitive in that division. I don't know what the Saints do at quarterback next year.

I'm not saying it's the end for Drew. There could be some turnover there. You never know with an older quarterback down in Tampa. Matt Ryan and Dan Quinn could be divorcing. They will be divorcing. There'll be a fresh start there. But the Panthers have balled out this year on the low offensively.

And they don't have much talent at all. Stefansky's in the running, but I'm going to go Bill Belichick. The hoodie, let's not overthink this one. I forget where they rank in biggest roster turnover in the league, but they have a ton of new players. And that was before the COVID thing. Oh, and you replace maybe the goat at quarterback with a guy that you got for an absolute steal.

And on top of it, you're starring in subway ads for charity. You likely picked a 500 coach you used to play for. I think that's what we like to call a Homer pick. I don't think it's a homer pick. I just think he's always doing, he's doing a lot with a little relative to what he's used to. The defense is not as good. It's not as talented.

They're still taking the ball away. They're going to be competitive. I don't see them as, now, this game hurts them tonight, but I don't think they were going to win this game anyways. like they got to figure out what's the deal, how much man coverage do you want to run, especially tonight against Mahomes. They haven't been as good.

That's one of their staples. That's what worries me about their defense besides not having a bunch of playmakers, but they're always going to get a lot out of that group, is what I'm saying. And the hoodie just deserves some credit. Maybe it's a lifetime achievement award because this is the first big test in people's eyes.

Bill Belichick. Who is your most valuable player after week four? chalky and it hasn't changed but Russell Wilson I think it also says a lot about the quality of QB play in our league when this isn't a layup of an answer I mean there's people floating

Josh Allen there's people floating Patrick Mahomes there's probably Aaron Rogers hive Aaron Razors Aaron Razors but Russ continues to elevate everybody around him and for a lot the same reason and I look at this stuff as a value who's the most valuable to that team

I mean I really do look at it that way Joe Burrow could be in the running You know what I mean? A little tease ahead here I'll probably make Justin Herbert offensive rookie of the year but Joe Burrow could be on the short list for actual MVPs

but we know what this award's really about and I'm going to go Russell Wilson. I concur. I will give a nod to Aaron Donald because I think without that guy in the middle, that defense is way different. Yeah. He's a beast.

He's amazing. I'm not going to fuck this up. We go Aaron Donald's. Well, and I'm saying for MVP, though. I'm saying MVP, and I'll also throw in the guys we forget about, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. Those guys are extremely valuable to their teams. Lamar is very valuable.

Lamar is very valuable. Yeah, DPOI for me is chalk. It's Aaron Donald. Yeah, same thing. I thought you were there. But offensive rookie year, I'm going Justin Herbert. Listen, I know it's a toss up between these two guys. They're just different quarterbacks.

We don't have to pick which one's better. but the guy that's given me like the most instances where I jump out of my chair is Justin Herbert in the league period right now like part of it is because you're not used to it I mean Mahomes make certain throws that you've been seeing for a couple years I mean the Monday night game against the Ravens he looked angry but Justin Herbert for what we expected and what we were told about this kid not a leader looks you know looks soft kind of inaccurate not sure he can make the transition. All he's done is just drop these dimes under pressure. And that's a good competitive football team with him at the helm. The defense is who let him down yesterday. Yeah, I'm going to go off

the board here. I'll go James Robinson, the running back in Jacksonville. He's putting up numbers. You look at the backs taken in the draft. Edward Z. Laird doing well. Swift, Jonathan Taylor, yes. Cam Acres has been banged up. Dobbins, not getting a ton of carries. A.J. Dillon, Antonio Gibson and Washington, just a ton of names. You don't see James Robinson and he's putting up production. My number two would be Joe Burrow. He's just clearly very good. And I like your pick of Justin Herbert.

We're all over the place here. O-P-O-Y? I'd go Derek Henry because he's doing it again. And yeah, Ryan Tanna Hill has shown that, shoot, he's a good quarterback. But Derek Henry, when you're keying on Derek Henry, And he's still managing to lead the league and rushing over 100 yards per game. The year after we all saw what you were doing is pretty impressive to me. I mean, this has to be a non-quarterback, I suppose.

I just want to throw another name in there. Alvin. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Alvin, without Alvin Camara, the Saints are dead in the water right now. They're dead in the water. So I'll go Alvin Camara with the offense or with the offense player the year. Yeah.

Defense of rookie year is something that we can just skip because I have no idea. There's nobody that's really blowing me away defensively right now. Chase Young for now. Chase Young's probably the frontrunner. Yeah, but I don't want to make a call this early. Chase Young. What about your game of the year to this point? Seattle, New England.

That was a thing of beauty. I mean, the storylines, that field presents beautifully. It was really watchable. Just the clashing of styles and watching New England kind of learn about themselves through that game, throughout the game. And then ending in a goal line stand, which I had units on and one units on. That's a big, big game.

And with the history between those two teams that coming down to the final play again, that's all they do. That's all they do. Yeah, that's a good pick. I'll mention Buffalo, L.A. Rams. Bills led 28 to 3 with five minutes to go in the third quarter. They trailed 3228 with five minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

And then Josh Allen engineers in 11 play 75-yard drive to win it. 35-32 bills. that was a cool game. If both those offenses were synced up at the same time throughout the game, it would have been the Rams chiefs from a couple years ago. Yeah.

It was electric. So Sunday was dominated a little bit on the early end, early, like 1 a.m. If you were still up, checking the slate for Sunday, you were reading about COVID. Because at the time, we were kind of in Defcom, if not five, you had everything going on in Tennessee.

You had the game being postponed on Sunday with the Chiefs and the Patriots. And then you had, like, this was a panic moment for me as a football fan. Seeing pro football talk at like 1230 in the morning, I think it was say, hey, the Saints have a positive. And at this point, group text are firing, oh shit, football, it's been, it's been real. We're not out of the woods. There is some good news going on around the league a little bit, relatively speaking. No positives today for the Titans.

That's a big deal. So far, nothing on the Pats. That's good for now. The Saints scare gave me anxiety, which I mentioned. The bad news, since the Titans got back from Minnesota, I think they had one positive every day for six days. And that's the scary part. Yeah, you said we're not out of the woods.

I think we are deep in the woods. I mean, even with the pets traveling to Kansas City Monday, with a three to seven day incubation period, I mean, you could have dozens of dudes. As evidence by the Titans, right? Right. And as evidenced by the Pat sending out two planes of you, as you have said, I just, I don't know how this goes.

Yeah, that's another thing. The Pat sent out, they send two planes today to Kansas City, one with 20 of Cam's closest contacts and the other with everybody else. So it's getting bizarre. And also moving that game back just 25 hours seemed like a real risk. Again, Tennessee went from 1 to 20.

Troy Vincent used a very specific set of words last week when I believe he said, Titans irresponsibility, and I forget how he phrased that, but the word that caught my attention or the phrase was, threatens the season. You know, like, I don't know if that's a scare tactic,

but you have to figure they are scrambling behind closed doors to think about contingency plans like 32 bubbles or bubbling the playoffs. This is going to come up again. The weather is just starting to get a little cooler. Wait till everybody's inside.

And here's the worst part. You know, when the season kicked off without a hitch, I admitted, I said, I never thought we'd get here. And, you know, for people that were realistic about the challenges here, you had everyone saying,

while you're rooting against football. How do you feel now, idiot, that sort of thing? Well, I don't want to take a victory lap when the chaos ensues, but people have been saying that there would be a lot of hiccups this season, if not a stop and a start type scenario. And I think we could be headed to at least one delay league-wide at some point this year. I don't want to be alarmist, but it just kind of is what it is. We saw what happened in Tennessee, and just because they played a night,

By the way, Kansas City has one guy on practice squad who's got it confirmed and you might have a bunch of negatives from the Patriots today and the plane might take off and they get there and test again today and everything's good. By the time you hear this podcast, it could change, but that's the way the situation is.

You're not out of the woods to your point. Like you're never out of the woods. You have to stay vigilant. And a lot of these guys, you can have great leadership in the locker room, but a lot of these guys are young, and dumb rich and full of impulsivity yeah i mean it's tough and the virus doesn't doesn't care who you are now the virus does not care who you are they don't care how much of a layup you know chiefs

minus six and a half which is now i think 11 13 yeah wow well i also i personally know the responsible people who have contracted the virus no doubt about it's it's it's it's it's not like and this is the thing I'm sure the first guy and it was a coach in Tennessee who got it was not feeling real good about having brought it into the locker room and affected the season right i think even the bigger issue is hey did you all know saturday sunday morning and and you did not tell the minnesota vikis i mean the president didn't tell anybody for like days we're going to hold the nfl to the standard of the president uh no i think a higher standard i'm joking yeah probably yeah um Again, two planes today.

You've had coaches fight this thing, eating big fines. You've got players going to charity dinners, like the one in Vegas. And you've got some teams feeling really slighted by the ramifications, a la the Steelers. It sounded like players took it really personally that opponents couldn't keep it together. Same thing with Tech and Virginia.

In all seriousness, the response from like Virginia players, and we were supposed to play the Commonwealth Cup, strangely, to start the year this year. And for those of the listeners, The listeners out there is a big rivalry. It's our big rivalry. We can say that now because we got the monkey off her back. We got the win for the first time in 15 years.

But suffice to say, these players are raring to go. And I know the Virginia guys are really responsible. They're looking over at tech. And the response was kind of like, what the fuck guys? We're trying to play a football game here. Are you serious about this thing or not? And you have to ask teams questions about this stuff. If it pops up again and again in college programs or franchises,

like how serious are your players being? And I get it like the, the, The Steelers were supposed to get a banged up Titans team. And even if it happened on Monday, they had a short week leading up to a very winnable game. Their biweek got screwed up. They got a really tough stretch in the middle of the season. And guys like Eric Ebron, you know, who tweeted was like, damn it, I got like a birthday party for my, like, it's not a big deal. But it's a like this stuff is an inconvenience to guys that, hey, we've done everything right.

And you can't keep your shit together. But it only takes one. So it's, it's an interesting topic. that's going to continue to make news throughout the season. The best game yesterday. Would you agree with me on it being Tampa, L.A.? I guess so. There weren't a ton to choose from,

but that one kept our attention throughout. Really did. And I loved it coming in. I did like the charges to cover. I just thought coming in that it would be a game where Brady might struggle with four-man rush and that's kind of been the Chargers calling card.

The defense was the reason they lost this game. But early on, you're thinking, damn, are they going to lose the game because of Brady? First half, pick six, 17 point deficit, fifth largest comeback of his career. He ends up 30 of 46 for 369 and five tuds.

It's a five different. Not a bad day for a dude that's like closer to social security than he has to college. Nice. You know? The most backbreaking play for the Chargers, though, was the Herbert Josh Kelly fumble, right?

Backed up before the half. They were up 24 to 7 after that pick six and all the other mistakes on the buck side. You just got the feeling like, take this thing in the half, you're gonna win this game. I mean, and if you get points for some reason, and he's done the long drive thing backed up, if you get points, you really bury him.

And the question I whispered to myself to start the game was, hey, which quarterback do you like better right now? Like right now. And I whispered it. Like, just in my head. Like, let me play with this concept. Statistically, Herbert's been pretty good. I'd have to look at Brady,

but Herbert's got a big arm right now. He's making some beautiful throws, and he's doing it with less around him than Brady. I mean, certainly as Keenan Allen, but some of the guys he threw to yesterday were shadow program guys. Brady got to work, goes up 7-0,

then Herbert fires a strike for long touchdown. They're trading touchdowns. Brady throws the terrible out, and it's picked off by, I don't even know who picked it off. I never heard of the guy. Somebody did. But yeah.

You can, it's so quiet there. You can hear people whistling, and like, it's just, I'm thinking in this moment, is like, is this the beginning of the end for Brady? I'm doing the thing. And I love Tom Brady. And I've been one of the people that say they're going to make

maybe a playoff push if the Saints' ceiling isn't as high as we thought. Then you're saying it out loud, it's not a whisper anymore. You're saying, is Brady done? Would I rather have Herbert right now? That was just a bad throw. And there's been these pick sixes and mistakes. Michael Davis, fourth year out of BYU took it to the house. Good for Mike Davis.

Looks like a super true. He does look like the Super Trooper guy. Yeah. The Super Troopers guy. Yep. Wow. Okay. Carry on.

The next drive, you know, Justin Herbert's backed up. Whitehead crushes him on the sideline. Herbert gets the worst of it. It wasn't like the Chief's play. It was like the same play, but a different result. Herbert's slow getting up. He does get up. Goes 97 yards in 6.15.

13 plays. Cap with a holy shit back shoulder throw to a tight end that I'm not real familiar with. And they're up 217. And at this point, you know, Brady's ahead of Scotty Miller on third and 25. They punt. I'm thinking the knockout punch has to be coming. You get a long field goal instead. But still, they're sitting pretty 24-7.

That's when the bad play happens. So the Bucks are on life support. It's 24-7. Barner got smoked on a Brady checkdown, if you remember that play. As he's crushed by Bosa, everything felt like a struggle at this point. This was really emblematic of the first half. It felt like the charges just had more energy.

they would knock stuff down there wasn't a lot of room there's the drop by Ronald Jones his third of the game by the way and I wonder if he you know Tom misses a safety valve out of the backfield by the way he's going to be missing OJ Howard the rest of the year

he was always used to having a back that could catch the ball in New England and that might be a big deal down the line then he's over OJ Howard's head and at this point he's one of his last seven so he's frustrated on the sideline the ISO shot is just like it says it all

He's not pushing the ball down the field well. At this point, over 10 yards, he's 4 for 11 for 57 yards, and a touchdown and a pick 6. That's like, that's him breaking off chunk plays in the first half. They leave the Chargers with a minute left and two timeouts in the play I talked about, and we all know what's coming. There's this mistake that you know is going to come back to haunt him. You know it's going to come back to haunt him. Herbert and Kelly, bad exchange, but Sue is. right there to blow him up. If Sue's not there to blow him up and beat that back block by the center

and I don't know what he'd, you know, queued him to follow the puller if the guard was light in his stance, but that's a veteran player making a huge play. Talk about big plays. Cray von LeBlanc, Josh Norman, Sue made an enormous play yesterday to be able to knife up the field, past the back block by the center and basically beat and knock off the puller too in case he didn't blow up the play. And next thing you know, the bucks are in business and they score before the half. And, you know, I say that's a big play. It's probably a second biggest play of the game. The biggest play of the game was losing Echler on that hamstring that you knew it was a big deal as soon as it happened. You knew exactly when he planned and it when it happened. They got the card out. I don't know. We'll see what the MRI says, but that's a bad deal. The charges led for 29 minutes and they led by multiple scores for quite a bit of time. They had 23 carries for 46 yards. Without Echler, they were 21 for 34. Okay. You need a back to ice that game. That was the biggest play of the game. Echler getting hurt.

They didn't know it at the time, but closely followed by Josh Kelly's fumble. And that sucks because he's going to have an opportunity to get a lot of touches, but that doesn't make you feel real comfortable if you're Anthony Lynn. Touchdown bucks, 24 to 14th half. The second half, the bucks got moving.

I talked about how bad those numbers were in the vertical passing game for Brady before the second. Second half, he goes seven for eight for 197, two touchdowns on plays over 10 yards. Right away, the loft to Howard, great touch, 28 yards on play action. And that's how they kept the, the Chargers front

a little bit off balance with play action. And at times during the second half, I thought Arians must really hate Gronk because I thought O.J. Howard was in the doghouse, but he just kept in the ball. And again, they confirmed they're going to lose him to an Achilles. The Chargers get the ball back.

They convert on fourth down at the 25-yard line. Miss field goal, the chop block killed him. And the bucks get the ball back and it's bang, bang, Brady to Miller. He's the new white guy who benefits really greatly from, you know, Tom Brady, Bruce Ariens. Scotty Miller, Scotty. Scotty can only look one way. Except for Scotty Montgomery. Don't even know who that is.

Okay. He's probably a sitcom guy, huh? Saved by the Bell or something? Nah. Football player went to Duke. I believe. Doesn't look like Scotty Miller. And now coach at Maryland

and does not look like Scottie. Not a lot of Scotty's that don't look like Scotty Miller. And so at this point it's 24, 21, Herbert again answers with, I thought the wow play of the day was the back shoulder throw. But the strike to Guyton getting just drilled in the face off his back foot was amazing. And Brady, again, with the ISO is like,

are you fucking kidding me? this kid is out dueling me right now. Like, it's insane. He gets one more stab at it, eventually down 38, 31, but he throws a pick, and that's the ball game. There is more I want to talk about

with this game, but it's going to go in superlatives. A little teaser here. I'm handing out a big, fat award. Somebody on the Buccaneers. Can't tell you who it is yet. Do you know what Jalen Guyton, Tyron Johnson,

and Donald Param Jr., all have in common? Nah. Three dudes who have never been in my kitchen. That's good. Some will get that. That's a cheers reference from when Cliff Clavin was on Jeopardy. I think you watched too much Nick at night when you were a kid or something because you're like an old person with the references and the humor.

They also all caught touchdown passes from Justin Herbert yesterday. Boom. Let's hand out some awards here. Best and Worst Flight. You go first. Best Seattle Seahawks. I don't think that there's a city I hold in higher regard that I have never been to than Seattle. It delivers.

You escape the perpetual trap game that happens on a biweekly basis, it seems, in Miami Gardens, Florida. And you have the Sunday night football showcase against a below-average Vikings team next week. Seattle's in a good spot. Coming off a win. Nice long, playing ride. Fun one. Back to the pack northwest. Also a fun one, something people don't think about.

If you travel east and you go back west, you get there earlier, there's no 6 a.m. landing in insert cold, cruddy, east coast city. You land in that beautiful packed northwest hub. Great point. With the mountains, probably the sun going down. I mean, it's a thing of beauty. And they're 4 and 0. So I agree with you there. I have to pick somebody different.

I had New Orleans. Cam Jordan talked about you wake up on maybe four hours of sleep depending on who you are there. You wake up to that news. You're looking out your window across the street is Windsor, Canada. Did you realize how close they are

to Canada in Detroit there? It's a real mind fuck when you wake up and you're like, what's that over there? And you're like, it's Canada. It's a sleepy place. You're on the brink. You're down 14, nothing on the road. You've lost two in a row.

People say your QBs aren't. I don't know who said that. Maybe some people in this podcast. If you're Cam Jordan, you got a goose egg that weighs 300 pounds, he talked about that, but you find a way to make it work together.

And that team, sometimes, and we talked about Cleveland and your pick for them going to the playoffs, the 3 and 1, that was a huge win for them. Sometimes it feels better to escape the jaws of death than

than just be excited about bursting on the scene. You feel like, fuck yeah, we just survived. And it's an adrenaline rush, and it carries you in the next week. And carries you into a Monday nighter, so you get another day, and following the Monday nighter is a by week. Could anybody have a worse plane ride than the Giants? And I guess maybe it's Golden Tate. I don't know who won the scuffle at the bottom.

Toriko called it family issues. That's where we'll leave it. Yeah, indeed, family issues. You can Google it if you like. Yeah, if you like. My worst plane ride, and I'd like your take on this, is the New England Patriots who have flown out day of game to Kansas City, Missouri, which sounds just like a recipe for a lackluster performance.

Boy, that is, you are so on the money on this thing. This is one of my favorite worst plane ride picks of all time in the year and a half this existed. It sucks as a player to travel, period. That's a long flight anyways. There's certain flights in America that you're like, didn't know this was this long. Didn't know Kansas City was on the West Coast. Didn't know Boston was in Canada.

Boston's in fucking Newfoundland. Okay? Kansas City is essentially Nevada, the way that flight feels. And I don't know, Jetstream, which way does it go? Yeah. one of the ways you're into it i don't know if you'd yeah so it sucks even more coming out and the same day it's awful oh we've talked about this with our friend damehamehick i like my hip flexors lengthened

before game the worst thing you can do to a player is have them sit on the same day as they play you can't have players sitting in meetings the night before too long get guys comfortable have them stretched out like the flight is going to make everybody tight and then you get on the ground and you have to go play the chiefs, the fastest team in football. So you coil everybody up, everybody's backs a little stiff, you're probably tired. You have to think about the nice thing that offsets it is the way the Patriots travel. I'm a big fan of the way they travel. Since I was there, they got new planes. But when I was there, they had players in first class stretching out. Again, Bill Belichicks the goat for a lot of reasons. One's for his self-awareness that I don't play football.

I can sit in the back, even if I'm the best. I need Matt Slater. Devin McCordy, Gronk, Tom Brady. I know Gronk's not there anymore. I know Tom Brady's not there anymore, but these are the guys you see in the front of the plane. Even guys who weren't like stars on that team, myself being a 30 plus veteran, a productive member of the team who played a lot of snaps,

I'm in the front my first year. That's a big deal. So not just that, they don't have to throw on suits. I hate coaches when they make you wear fucking suits on a plane. What does that accomplish? Okay. Wear your fucking suits. and sit back and coach and like it.

That's what most teams tell you. And this is a bad time to fly, but maybe the Patriots are doing enough to maximize what they have going for them, which is their own plane, and a nice dress code. We'll see how that plays out, but it's bad. And Brian Hoyer is our age,

speaking of being coiled up in a tube. Man, this has got to be one of those, like, how did I get here moments? Hey, maybe it's Maybe it's the flu game You make lemonade Just make lemonade Yeah

So what's it like being a ghost Ghost are dead I'm very much alive It's a brilliant call by you Hollow Man I guess I'll go Jalen Smith I mean that loaf on the reverse Was not great

And what prompted this Was somebody who was like Hey you need to search Jalen Smith's name On Twitter today It's not good And I search Jalen Smith's name on Twitter today. Search Jalen Smith's name on Twitter. And the Cowboys fans are rough.

I think they engage in a lot of hyperbole. Everything's bigger in Texas. And I also don't know that they have the highest football IQ out of any fan base. But if you listen to them, Jalen Smith is the worst player ever drafted by their team and that loaf on the reverse on the OBJ reverse was not good.

I know that he caught him and in real time I saw it and I was like, damn, he's fast. Great effort. But you know why he was running? running so fast is because he was changing speeds. And when you change speeds, your asshole is puckered in that meeting the next day. Luckily for him, he can disappear

with the rest of his defensive football team. Also the Kentucky wide receiver, who I haven't will go unnamed. They were playing Ole Miss and early in the ball game this weekend. He did worse than holding the football out. I think it's worse when you do the piece sign, the Cheetah P sign, and get caught then the METCath or the guy for, I think it was Utah circa 2010 or 2012. I'll never forget it. I felt terrible for this poor kid. He just relaxed with the

ball. When you do the peace sign, it's not good. By the way, the cheetah, did you see what the cheetah did with his glove? Uh-uh. They were finding him for doing the peace sign. So he put some yellow on his glove. Oh, he just holds it up. He just holds his hand up. Nice. Why is he getting fine for the peace sign. I don't know. Peace is something we should all strive for. Maybe taunting? It's taunting. Okay. But yeah, that's bad. Hollow Man to Kentucky wide receiver because they didn't score. They got stuffed and fumbled. Yeah. And then they lose an overtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's been 48 hours since I watched a clip. I think he got caught at like

the 30. I mean, he just wasn't, didn't have a great field awareness. What's a slower big cat because if you're not a cheetah you can't do the piece sign if you're like a tabby cat I don't even know what that is that's a that's a that's a domestic cat yeah if you're like a domestic cat you don't throw up the piece on only cheetahs do that nah if you're a domestic short hair I don't know this kid tabby we all fuck up I'm not demonizing him he made a mistake listen if it's not for him they don't have the ball down there to to fumble it or he doesn't have an opportunity to make Sports Center not top 10. He put himself in that position by being a good football player.

He'll rebound, but that was bad. No, man, nothing is fucked here. Nothing is fucked! No, man. The goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain. So, panic, don't panic. I mean, I only have one thing today, and that's panic for Mike Nolan and the Cowboys defense.

I mean, it's been atrocious. I don't know if he makes it through the year. I don't know how many D-coordinators get fired in a single season, like in-season. Got to be not many. Coaches are the safest people. I mean, and this guy is not safe. Well, shoot, Mike McCarthy shouldn't be safe. They need to start winning football games.

Yeah. And then everybody's like, I thought it was Jason Garrett. Ha, ha, ha, ha. What a clever tweet. And then turn on the Giants game. Hey. Cover. Cover.

Cover City for the G-Men. He's not working with much. I like Jason Garrett. My panic is more like a resigned. I've known this for a long time panic. Matt Stafford, good players. It's just not going to happen in Detroit basketball land. Paging Eric Be Enemy.

Right. I just want Matt Stafford to win so bad. I can't decide who I want to inherit Eric Beenemy more. Deshawn or Matt Stafford. Maybe Deshaun because he's younger. And the lighting's better at NRG than it is at Ford Field. The Texans are just hard to like. I would love to see Lions fans enjoy normal lives.

This is not normal what they've been through. I got a don't panic for you. Dwayne Haskins, 32 of 45 for 314. Give the guy some time. I'm all about giving time, okay? But I'm all about also if Trevor Lawrence is there, taking Trevor Lawrence. Oh, for sure.

I said this was Sam Darnold, and some people were saying, well, you're soft on certain quarterbacks. And, you know, like, I just, I try to be patient with young kids who end up in shitty situations. It's almost like I was in one.

I mean, like, I just give guys time. You know, there are some guys who obviously don't deserve an opportunity. They show that. I am not, if I had to bet on Dwayne Haskins being successful long term in this league, I'm going to bet against it.

But I'm also not going to tear him down. We'll see what happens. Let it play out. I'm with you. Fly on the wall. You got something? I do. I'll go quickly because I think you might have it elsewhere.

I want to hear the conversation between Anthony Lynn and the Chargers front office talking to Tyrod Taylor about what we're going to do because Herbert is clearly very talented and would benefit from a bunch of snaps this year. Yeah, that's going to be an awkward one. Like that's the conversation when you get a text. coach wants to see you and you know you're not getting cut but like you know what it is. And the more distance between Lynn's last comment and his next comment on the situation, the better.

Well, I saw something this morning that Lynn said, I think yesterday that Tyrod had cracked ribs after week one. So you're already starting to set the groundwork for, hey, this wasn't just a self-inflicted wound quite literally. there were cracked ribs injury it's tough but herbert's our guy moving forward that's football man yeah um my fly on the wall cowboys d-line room okay after what happened to them i know Texas is a big law and order state they should have arrested the browns before they got on the plane they assaulted

the Dallas cowboys in front of the world i mean walking into the building after a game like that where you give up 300 yards on the ground, many to the third back. De earnest. And 50 on a reverse. The worst hangover you could ever have. You know the impending doom feeling that you folks feel, and certainly football players are not immune to it

after a night where you drank too much, made a fool of yourself, you shirked responsibilities, multiply that by 40, and then get yourself in a car accident. And that's how it feels walking in. into a building when you gave up 300 yards in front of the world. And I only did that ever in front of like nobody.

Nobody was really cared about the Rams. I can only imagine being a Merck as team and just getting straight emasculated on national TV. It's the feeling of 150 eyeballs fixated on you the minute you shut your car door in the morning to walk in. You walk in the building, your heads down, but you don't wanna look too dejected,

but you don't wanna look happy. It's like a big psychological game, everybody's playing. the tension is really real after a performance like that and you walk into the team room you make no eye contact probably everybody sitting sitting in there if you walk in late so you get in there 10 minutes early sit down act like you're watching film and make no eye contact man the late de lineman to walk into a team room after a night like that is just he's fucked um do you ever have a smiling problem a giggle problem laughing when you're not supposed to sometimes i think the mask and hopefully guys are wearing masks in the facility is a big help that would help a lot that's

somebody needs to mail them some masks with like big frowns like sorry guys right we're really feel bad about what happened yesterday maybe the sean payton purse lips like man this needs to get fixed i mean you just what you do is you sit there and you hope that everybody else on the defense is doing the same thing you're doing dreading being pointed out because they had shitty games as well there's plenty of blame to go around but this thing looked like a navy box score like a fucking like these were armed servicemen getting ready to go protect our country but they're the Cleveland Browns um I mean the Bill Callahan effect is real look at Jeff Schwartz's Twitter he's he's terrific breaking this stuff down but look at how the Browns dented them in in zone with these one

cut runs early and often into eight man boxes and what he said's true they weren't just moving guys vertically but they were turning them and that's a bad deal especially inside here's what happened. The Cleveland Brown's backfield took a dump in Jerry's living room. Like just a steaming dump. And you let him, Kareem Hunt walked in. He said, hey, can I use the bathroom off the kitchen

or in the front hall? No, that won't be necessary. Just take a big steaming shit on Jerry's $15,000 Persian rug. Just right there. And then, Odell asked if he can watch. Oh, God. When you give up 300 yards on the ground,

around, like you start asking questions like, what is masculinity? You know, will my kids respect me if I ever saw this tape? Can I no longer protect my wife? Does my lovely wife think I can protect her? By the way, I've been there and my kids love me. They'll never see 2010 Rams tape. They're just never going to see it.

And listen, if the alarm goes off and I got to have a talk with my wife to ensure her that I am the man of the house, I got this. I'll show her the stats from 2017 with the Eagles. We were top of the league. Yeah, I think Case Keenom's arm got hit. Well, I'm talking about the run game. Oh, yeah. When you don't stop the run, you think about things like that.

Like, you question your manhood. Like, it's not just being bad at football for a Sunday. It's like people turn it into a, hey, are you soft? It's like when you're up against four other agents and you don't get the listing presentation. You don't get the listing after your presentation. Yeah, it's got to be tough. You got to go home, tail between your legs.

And talk to your lovely wife, Kate, who is lovely. And I have to tell my lovely wife, Meg, like, we're safe, honey. It wasn't that bad. Like, I got this. I mean, the meeting is awful. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in a Mike Nolan meeting because Mike Nolan is not without blame. What happened out there, Dadda? What happened that I guess Bill O'Brien taking the ball out of Deshawn's hands for three straight runs until the fourth downplay, which for a second felt like late game heroics from Deshawn.

So what's the deal with Deshawn? I think he's just, I think I have to look at it closer, but I do feel like there's something to him starting slower in games and picking up as they go. It's like if every situation was a trail situation, I think the route concepts are bad. I think they've chipped away at the talent there. I think the O-line's not great. I do think he doesn't get as much heat as he probably should, but I looked a little closer last night, and there were throws he missed.

He's not Carson Wentz right now. There just aren't guys open in some of these situations. Chipped away at talent, well said by you. No New Copkins, and for once you have failed to mention Randall Cobb, thankfully. Kenny Stills, Randall Cobb. last good. Brandon Cooks. Randall's a real number one. Brandon Cooks went, went zero for zero, thankfully fantasy. And Randall Cobb hasn't been good. And listen, I'm just saying it ain't as I guess what's happened in Philly has been so normalized to me. Decades. Yeah. St. Louis Rams Memorial Award,

Joe Mixen balled out, three touchdowns. Nobody watched that game. But Joe Burroughs's parents. and moonshine's parents and moonshine's parents viewing party it's a little chalky you already had Lynn watching Herbert I think just watching that game for him is tough I mean sitting on the sideline

and trying to coach the game but in the back of your head seeing I mean any play that Justin Herbert makes you have to think about what it means to you yeah my viewing party will be Mitchell Trubisky and I know you want your team to win

but a guy just replaced you and puts up three points in 58 minutes. Yeah, he was bad. I think it's probably different for a unit, like a D-Line, but if it's quarterback, a singular position, you've been replaced. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying he's rooting against his team, but he's...

He'd like to see them win a lot of 16, 13 ball games. Right. So he can say in free agency, it's not about me, it's about Matt Nagy, it's about this offense. Right. But the trouble is, I don't think people unanimously think of Nick

as, like, you know, a franchise quarterback, and Nick, by the way, not a great matchup against Indy. They take everything away underneath. And you could tell that they were having trouble getting on the same page with receivers. So I would say, don't panic might be Nick Foles.

I think you're going to have games like this with him, but he's also going to win you some games this year. And I do think he gives you a better opportunity than Mitch. Game ball. Let me give that to the big fella Tristan Wurfs. Good for you. you. Yeah, I'm excited for him and I'm excited for Tom because you talked about keeping him up right

this year. He was such a big deal when it came to that. And the most important win by a contender might have been the bucks yesterday avoiding a big letdown at home against the rookie quarterback. I worried about the four-man rush starting with Joey Bosa. What you had was the worst pressure rate for Bosa since week four, 2017. And I watched the tape. Okay, I watched Dan, I am near all of it, just Joey and Tristan. And I'm always skeptical when you see these PFF grades and stuff because PFF misses shit. And you gotta take everything with a grain of salt.

There's no substitute for seeing it happen. And I only saw Worf's get into trouble a couple times. And one of them, it was the backup. He's so athletic for a big guy, he's such a dancing bear that he kind of can sometimes float and turn with no threat of speed. And that's just a technique thing. He did it once with the backup,

and the backup put his face mask under his chin and popped him a little bit. Joey had a spin that got home. But this kid is impressive. And what I saw was a rusher who, for my dollar is the best complete defensive end in the league possibly. Crafty rusher can beat you so many

different ways, but he ran out of ways to try to beat him. I mean, I could tell Joey was frustrated. I'm not saying he's necessarily frustrated, but if it were me, I'm frustrated because I'm watching him do the things that work against everybody else and it wasn't working against Tristan Worf's. And that's impressive. He's good enough with his anchor that he doesn't lean on Boas's kind of bull to pull. You know, if Joey Bosa goes bull to pull, it's predicated on Worf's panicking at Bosa's power and leaning forward and then you shuck him behind you. He was athletic enough not to lean forward. He was athletic enough not to lean on Bosa's rip up the field or get too top-heavy on

the swipe. He's athletic enough to wash edge rushers. If he can do it to Bosa, I don't see Bosa getting washed a lot. He's smart enough to feel the lean if somebody's too top-heavy, conversely bullrushing him. You know, really crafty O'Ly linemen feel you putting too much weight. forward as you bull rush, and usually that's if your hands are down as a rusher, that's a big no-no. I saw him trap is what they call it, Bosa's lean arm, and Bosa's on the ground. You don't see

Bosa on the ground a lot. He was on the ground yesterday. This was a really big game for Tristan Worse. You got the biggest test in the league, and you passed it. And, you know, I think Bosa's coming away thinking, I'll figure him out a little bit next time I play him if I have to see him down the road, but I am glad that this cat is not in my division for the next 10 years. Well said, I'll go Joe Fan watching highlights and say OBJ, 154 yards of offense, three TDs, finally, and Stifansky says he'll get them involved

earlier and more often moving forward. Love it, it seems like that marriage is starting to work there and I think Kevin Stafansky has done a terrific job. Without further ado, let me just complain about something before we end the show. I won't complain about two things. Can we make the the gadget thing stop in New Orleans and everywhere for now because every time

a quarterback takes a shotgun snap as the gadget guy, he fumbles it. Same thing last night. Jalen Hertz fumbled a snap. It was a bad snap, but he fumbles to myself. If I'm Drew Brees, I'm like, this is the guy that's going to take my spot. We can't even get a snap off. I'm with you. Another thing I want to complain about, Tristan Hill's fine. I know that you're not supposed to complain. about a guy getting fined, especially the same position, defensive line. But he got fined three

high white sock fines for trying to take Carson's cleat and foot off of his ankle. Like dislodge the knee from the thigh. I ate fines like that for fucking having swag, bro. What are we doing? High white socks. With the spat. Yeah.

We always knew where you were. Hard not to. Tristan Hill, former University of Virginia commit. I don't know if you knew that or not. Did not know that. Didn't make it to grounds. I like his game. Yeah.

Can't do that dirty shit. NFL, you showed us you don't care about anybody but the quarterbacks. Hey, you were a man of your word. You did not recap Thursday night football for the folks. Oh yeah, yeah. It's still three to zero. I'm in front. Neither of us picked up a win on Thursday with the Broncos beating the Jets.

So Chris still the front runner to spend 24 hours minus each waffle in a Waffle House. They got hash browns, right? They got hash browns. I'm good. Irish. All right, y'all take care. We'll see you on Friday. Peace.