Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Week 9 Recap with ESPN's Stanford Steve; Tua vs Kyler and Bucs' Break Chris' Back.

Episode Date: November 9, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is what the future of the NFL is looking like right here. Now, they're not making a lot of Matt Rule, Joe Brady, Andy Reed, Eric Bianami combos, but these four coaches have got it cooking and the quarterbacks have got it cooking all in different ways. Obviously, one's the head honcho right now on Patrick Mahomes, although he seems to be an MVP afterthought. And you've got these two young guns that are changing, you know, the position's changing. And this is a symptom of that change. guys like Tua and Kyler. The position is changing.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Happiest of Monday mornings to you. I hope you're doing great. I really, really, really, really do. I'm currently watching the Saints go up 37, nothing against the bucks. Who I took? I took them.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I needed. It's 1049 at night. Okay, it's been a long day. Here's what we got on the show. Stanford Steve and Sunday Awards. Okay, I needed a win. I needed a win, and the bucks broke my back. Chris Long is out with a broken back.
Starting point is 00:01:40 Tell Draft Kings, Chris Long, how many months to start next season? Like nine? Chris Long's out nine months with a broken back. Thank you, Bucks for nipping that in the butt. 38-0. Taysam Hill is the fucking quarterback, like, for half the plays. Every time I look up, I've been recording this pod.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Taysam Hill's playing quarterback. Some guy I've never heard of is running around with the ball, and no red jerseys around him, perpetually. Drew Brees, like, dumping some ball off. Somebody's wide open. Sean Payton is a wizard. and I suppose the saints are healthy.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Not going to lie. I have written them off a couple times this year. I do think the Kwan Alexander thing's going to help them. I do. I don't know what to make of this game with the Bucks. I'd have to watch it without recording a podcast and it being on the other room. Who, ugly.
Starting point is 00:02:48 really ugly. Alex Trebek passed away today. That was, that sucked, man. That guy, I mean, like, is there anybody more universally loved than Alex Trebek? In times like these, like the irony of Alex Trebek dying this weekend,
Starting point is 00:03:11 was that nobody can agree on anything and nobody's getting along. I'm pretty sure everybody loves Alex Trebek. That show, you don't even have to be smart to like that show. You would just sit there and watch it for hours hoping you would magically become smart. Like you'd start just knowing the answers to stuff and you just never would. Although I was streaky. I would get a few.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And there was a really special moment where I think we were a Jeopardy answer. It was maybe a couple of us from the Eagles, but like we made it. We made Jeopardy. And I thought that was cool, man. Just seemed like a really classy guy. He'll always be synonymous with really soothing TV, man. And that's no bullshit. You could turn on Jeopardy and just relax.
Starting point is 00:04:05 He will be missed. Everybody loves Alex Trebek. God rest his soul, man. So I do have one shout out. And that is John Fossel. Shout out to John Fossel, my former special team's coordinator in St. Louis, one of the best coaches I've ever had. One of the lone bright spots in my estimation when you look at the outlook of the Dallas Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:04:34 He is a really, really good coach. And I think one day he's a head coach. I don't know. I don't know, man. I don't know what makes people head coaches or not. But if being like, and maybe I'm being unfair or jumping in conclusions here, his leadership of like special teams dudes i've never seen anything like it you know when you well you don't know but when you walk into a meeting room and you can just tell everybody's bought
Starting point is 00:04:58 in and there's like a lot of trust in that room he's he's got that effect and uh guys play hard for him and today he also likes tricks there's actually an inadvertent mention of uh his his dirty work later on in this podcast talking to Macon about Johnny Hecker converting fake punts in St. Louis. The guy always had something up his sleeve. He scared the shit out of the entire league. And I guess he still does. I mean, he had two huge plays today
Starting point is 00:05:30 that came on special teams from his Dallas Cowboys unit and kind of kept them in the game. So shout out to Coach Fawley. We called him bones. I think it's because he's skinny. Tom Brady's getting sacked again, just throwing the ball in the air, getting hit.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I knew this game was a fucking wrap, the first play when he got hit by Cam Jordan. Like the first play. And then the next play, next play, it's like he's getting hit again, he's getting hit again, and Sean Payton's first 15,
Starting point is 00:06:06 that's like the script, like to start the game, was impeccable. and it was raining. It was raining. Drew Breeze in the rain? I don't even know if there's a real trend there, but everybody knows Drew Breeze isn't good in the rain
Starting point is 00:06:22 until I Google it and he's probably actually pretty good in the rain. Fuck this game, man. So first, I've got Stanford Steve joining us. We are going to talk about two really fun games, Dolphins Cardinals, and Chiefs Panthers. This is what the future of the NFL is looking like. Right here.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Now they're not making a lot of Matt Rule, Joe Brady, Andy Reed, Eric B. Enemy combos. But these four coaches have got it cooking. And the quarterbacks have got it cooking all in different ways. Obviously there's one. One's the head honcho right now.
Starting point is 00:07:06 I'm Patrick Mahomes, although he seems to be an MVP. afterthought. And you've got these two young guns that are changing, you know, the position's changing. And this is a symptom of that change, guys like Tua and Kyler. The position is changing. And then Teddy, who might be one of the most likable quarterbacks in the history of the NFL and also proving that he's very capable with the right coach and the right system.
Starting point is 00:07:35 but Joe Brady he's got it cooking we'll also talk about the indie Baltimore matchup which was interesting if anything I mean it was very boring can something be boring and interesting
Starting point is 00:07:52 in what we can glean from it and what played out on the field but boring as hell boring as hell wow and then the the Hawks and the Bills
Starting point is 00:08:09 we'll hit that game as well which was thoroughly disappointing if you're looking forward to seeing Seattle make a run. Some stinkers from those guys past few weeks. We'll see if they can rebound. Stanford's Eve and I will hit all that
Starting point is 00:08:26 and then Macon and I will hit Sunday awards. And that's all I got for you. You know, this is bad day at the office here. Thanks to the bucks. Did Antonio Brown catch a ball today? Cowboy Reed says thumbs up.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Did he catch more than five balls today? Three for 31 on five targets. Boy, you know what's crazy actually? Like, I'm imagining since he's living in Tom's house right now, like them getting home and him trying to talk to Tom at the kitchen counter. And he's like, not now, Antonio. Like trying to cheer him up and shit. Do you mind if I have some of your avocado ice cream?
Starting point is 00:09:08 Sure. Have at it. just like please stop asking me questions and trying to cheer me up. I fucking hate my life. We just lost. Tom Brady is going to be next level mad. Later on in the show during awards,
Starting point is 00:09:20 I'll be giving out, as we usually do, best plane ride, worst plane ride. Maybe the worst plane ride. We should slide the bucks traveling to Carolina next week. You can't even crinkle your pretzels on that flight.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Like your little pretzels they give you. which are the bomb dude washed it down with some ginger ale on a flight like don't even don't even crinkle it like you're at the movies in the quietest part in the movie theater and you can't make any noise like don't make any noise on that flight that's how tense that flight's going to be the whole time who tom's going to have tom's going to have them puckered up in that place but i'm pretty sure tom didn't play well today so it's going to be an interesting week in uh you know Tampa. Thought you hit rock bottom against the
Starting point is 00:10:14 Bears. Jeez, Louise. And this team's in your division. Here's the thing about losing to a team in your division. You don't want to do it twice if you plan on seeing them in the playoffs. Like, you don't want to lose twice to a team in the regular season. It's a bad sign.
Starting point is 00:10:30 I know it sounds obvious, but from a psyche standpoint, like, they might see these guys again. It's bad. Without further ado, Stanford Steve. This Sunday will truly be a Sunday like no other. With this weekend's major golf tournament
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Starting point is 00:12:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because then you feel like, you know, it's back, you know, I mean, for how many years it's been Tom, I hate to bring it up, but Tom Brady and Belichick, like, but then it felt like whenever I took the Patriots when it was Brady and Belichick, they were given, all right, I'll lay the points with Patriots and they would win and not cover. And it's just you start keeping tabs on teams, Chris, and you start getting feelings and you remember the loss, just like when you were playing.
Starting point is 00:12:39 You remember the loss is a hell of a lot more than you remember the wins. Well, I'm about to tell you something that might change your mind on that little bit of advice. I have them on the money line. Tampa. Yeah, Tampa. Kiss of death here. Sorry, Tom. I don't know if you listen to the pod, but it's my fault.
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Starting point is 00:13:21 I'm ashamed to talk to my parents tomorrow. Like I've got my tail tucked between my legs like a kid. It's terrible. I hate gambling, Steve. Hey, speaking of real football. Yeah? Because I don't gamble anymore. Um,
Starting point is 00:13:34 Let's start with the fun games today, man. There were a couple really fun games. Also, first off, if you were late into your chair today, like five minutes late, you missed seven touchdowns. It was like the scoring just picked right up. The two most fun games of the day probably were, Dolphins Cardinals and Kansas City, Carolina. I know you have a big interest in one of them in particular.
Starting point is 00:14:04 your guy is now 2 and O in the NFL. First off, both teams can win their divisions, right? No doubt. And Brian Flores might be coach of the year. I know the Steelers are 8 in O. I know Mike Tomlin is as good of a coach as we've seen in the league in the last 15, 20 years. But what Flores is done with Miami, man. It was like, like I've never done it.
Starting point is 00:14:32 but like if I ever went out for like a laser tag game and I didn't know what was going on, that's what it felt like those quarterbacks, each of them were dodging the first two series each. Like it felt like the Cardinals D came out, which is Haymaker Blitzes all over and two survived them, got away with two bad groundings. And Kyler on the same thing. Like there's one time, I know people I added online on the bird, you know, where the dolphins had an exotic set up. And Kyler, we couldn't tell if he checked to it,
Starting point is 00:15:07 but they just ran quarterback-wide zone against it down by the goal line. Yeah. And it's just like not only are these guys dodging bullets, but they actually had a couple, you know, bullets in their gun for if we did get an exotic in the red zone, this is what we're going to go to. And it's just, it shows you how thorough. I mean, I know people said Kingsbury's offense wasn't going to work in this league,
Starting point is 00:15:28 but like it just shows you the audacity. that it has, man. And I thought there was a huge the fourth down at the end of the game where Kyler gave it up. I mean, he was money on fourth down's running the ball. But I think, I mean, two made every throw. Kyler made every throw.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Kyler obviously did more with his legs. One fourth down, he made Van Ney look like I've never seen Van Nuoy. But the game had everything. And shout out to the dolphins, man. They brought it. Gonzalez with the kick at the end. I mean, he said,
Starting point is 00:16:02 right there. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened either though, but I don't know what happened on, as you mentioned, third and fourth down. I thought that was a really bad sequence for Cliff. Just being real about it. If I'm on defense in that situation, I'm like, oh, fuck yeah, they're going to kick it because there's no way we're stopping them on fourth down. I mean, it's like having an extra man on fourth and short is what having Kyler Murray, one of these guys, like. So I think, you know, what we mentioned, the divisions are wide open. You might have a coach of the year. Dolphins five of six, five of six and two is two and oh.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Can you believe the success of a lot of these young QBs before I get into like raving about Kyler and a losing effort and two in some big moments like, can you believe with no prep time, no OTAs, no training camps, we had Herbert go toe to toe with the chiefs with like five minutes to get to get ready. You had Burrow who's been great, two is now two and know the Dallas kid I don't even know his name I watched the whole game with the dad Gary Gilbert yeah I mean yeah what is going on
Starting point is 00:17:09 Luton Luton with the backdoor cover how about the spin move on the goal line don't even remind me dude that fucking guy I respect him but I hate him like these guys are just out of the woodwork man I mean in the cards they're very frustrating but I'm starting to think it's more Miami creating their own look
Starting point is 00:17:27 they almost spotted them too early action first or touchdowns in the first and second half they were lucky it didn't become two and kiler besides that throw on third and one which i'm sure he's like well i'm gonna have another chance right it's gonna be fourth and fucking inches he probably wants that i definitely wants that sack fumble back i mean he's staring shack lost in the face just hit your hot just hit your hot and augba he's i mean he's a really good rusher and i respect him he's having a great year i don't think i ever had a year like this but he's not winning a bunch of one-on-ones they don't have anybody that, they don't have anybody that scares me, like, as rushers.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Even like when Van Hoy gets numbers, they don't win rushes. It's just guys statistically coming free. Yes, yes. And that's, and that's, Kyle, he had to know coming in, like, I feel pretty good about our chances if I don't just give them the ball on one of these situations. That was the one thing. But, man, starting with Tua, I mean, he was great early and then he was great late. I mean, the throw to Williams tied at 14 right between two dudes was a pro throw. You just know really fast
Starting point is 00:18:37 that he's going to be a guy. And then fast forwarding to late in the game, his first chance to be a hero is that drive was amazing, dude. It starts it's his first chance trailing in the fourth quarter as an NFL quarterback and he goes 5 of 5 for 53 yards
Starting point is 00:18:53 on the drive. It's 10 plays, 93 yards. I mean, the first big throw was out of own end zone third and nine basically. And then you get the run on third and four. He makes Buddha miss, who we talked about on the gambling show. Then the scramble,
Starting point is 00:19:08 you know, down to the 10 and the throat of Matt Collins, bro. Matt Collins are the Philadelphia Eagles, world champion. Didn't even know he was down there. And yeah, and he got hurt because the other tight end,
Starting point is 00:19:20 or he got in because the other time got hurt, Smyth or whatever his name is. Yeah. But yeah, no, the throat, I told you, he can make every throw. he is he's a gambler throwing the football he'll take chances he'll try and fit it in tight windows
Starting point is 00:19:35 but he's a believer in his guys man like i talked about a bunch at alabama he was spoiled with having guys that were better in every single matchup yeah and that forced him to give them more opportunities and he got burned some and he's going to get burned some but i'll tell you what man like you i mean time after time today uh go back and look at All the different spots that Buda Baker blitzed from. Depth outside, inside. Like, they throw in, and I'll tell you what, I mean, last night we were texting a little bit last night about the Notre Dame Clemson game.
Starting point is 00:20:11 At the end of that game, it really felt like Clemson didn't have any more bullets in the gun blitz-wise. It felt like books saw it all. Yeah. And I got that feeling today with Tua. I think Arizona tried to, you know, jump them out of the gates. and I think it helped him. He's obviously kept his poise and made the plays late when they needed him, man.
Starting point is 00:20:33 That was a hell of a win for the dolphins. Yeah, and here's the thing. You talk about like, this is becoming more the norm in the NFL. And by the way, Kyle is going to have a lot of like exercise patients type first rounders out of jobs over the next decade. Everybody's going to be looking for Kyle or Murray.
Starting point is 00:20:48 You could, like, they could have the fucking draft three games into a guy's rookie season. They're going to be looking for a Kyleor Murray. I mean, Listen, I am really happy as a fan to see this, but I got out at a good time. Oh, yeah, you did. I mean, being a pass rusher right now is not very fun. Not very fun at all.
Starting point is 00:21:08 The one thing that's cool, though, today was seeing the bootlegs away from me with the left hander as a left end. Like, where the fuck was that? I mean, I just want to give Kyler his props before we move on. I know they lost the game and the lead is to a. This guy is amazing. I mean, he's amazing. I mean, Steve mentioned it a little bit earlier.
Starting point is 00:21:27 As a former D-Lyman watching this game, I mean, there was a third and nine in the red zone early where they're driving, and I think it's maybe at the 10-12-yard line. No, no, it's like the 17-yard line. Basically, they drop the edge guy, and you're trying to loop the three technique to contain. And watching the three technique,
Starting point is 00:21:48 he knows what he's got to do. The angle's fine, but he just can't get there. And Kyler just sees it and takes off. and scrambles. I mean, like, that's the type, even if you know what your job is, he's going to make it hell. Like the zone read on fourth and one,
Starting point is 00:22:02 where Van Hoy, and that's a tough tackle coming from the middle of the ball. But these are all like, these are, you can do everything that Baltimore could do if you were in that offense. He's more slight. You'd worry about him getting hit.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Plus the throwing that we're worried about with Lamar right now. And that's the one thing I will say about Arizona in the second half, especially like when they came out and went down, and they came out, you know, right away with the throwdown field, the Kirk on the corner route, it felt like Arizona got really,
Starting point is 00:22:36 really run heavy. And I just, I still think you got like, guys like Kirk and Newk and Fidsey, like I, it felt like forever, or like, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:46 the first quarter that they took a shot down the field like that. And that's one thing. I mean, listen, play calling is, is the hardest thing to me in the sport and I'm not second guess anyway I just felt like they got
Starting point is 00:23:00 they got a little too comfy running the football that's all yeah I mean when a guy's making throws like the one he made to I mean like even the one that he made to Kirksey which like people take for granted like a wide open bomb where guys got beating somebody down the scene by the way tough game for Byron Jones
Starting point is 00:23:17 Byron Jones had a rough one including that tight end ripped a ball away from in the corner of the end zone like that's everybody else's highlight play today and we haven't even talked about it yet with Kyler. I mean, how about the fact that in empty, they just run a quarterback sweep on 302? Like, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Well, just like, there's nobody there. Let's just run it right in. Oh, the guy set the edge. I'm just going to duck underneath. Like, it's a cheat code, man. I mean, he's amazing. I look forward to watching him for a long time. That's going to be fun.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Another really fun game today was Kansas City, Carolina. I mean, these four coaches really going at it. Uh-huh. were just like Andy and Rule had to trade fucking dry fits or something after the game. You know, just trade their little welder COVID masks after the game. Like Andy was probably just so much respect for what Joe and Matt did today. Yes. It took everything Kansas City had to outscore that Teddy, a new guy from college.
Starting point is 00:24:20 And, well, he's not a new guy from college. he's cut his teeth in the pros. And Matt Rule, who is a new guy from college, like that, it took everything for Kansas City outscore these guys. That's my question for you about this game. What job does Joe Brady want because he's getting it? I mean, it is.
Starting point is 00:24:42 That team, I mean, this is really the first time. They played the Raiders week one, but, you know, Mike Davis was a factor. There was a lot of times with McCaffrey and Mike Davis on the field today. Teddy Bridgewater was phenomenal. The fourth down run where he dives over to the defenders. I mean, that's Tyron Matthew. That's one of the most fearful guys in the secondary. And he jumps over with the game on the line. Joe Brady, I mean, like I said, he's what does he want, if Texas comes open, does he want that job? Does he want the Jets job? What job do you want Joe Brady
Starting point is 00:25:18 to get is the question? that's just that's like if you if you could as a fan just give joe brady a job and by the way the bucks are down 21 nothing saints d line just did a tip drill for you well i am the only good the only good thing that that the saints are doing right now is they might be leaving too much time that's there you go i like a positive spin i got no choice but what you said though i mean brady i'm thinking about some of the jobs. I mean, listen, I'm selfishly here because the people of Detroit and Matt Stafford deserve like something happy to happen in their lifetime. I got one for you. What? Dallas Cowboys. Oh. Second, I don't know, are they still hiring gingers?
Starting point is 00:26:11 No, no. It's hard to, can you, there's got to be a rule that you can't hire too many gingers within a 25-year span. Joe Brady, oh, golly, dude. That guy's got the world by the balls, man.
Starting point is 00:26:25 And it's almost like with Matt Rule, it's like, don't hire too good because you're going to lose him in a year or two and it just might make you look so bad, you know?
Starting point is 00:26:37 Like you, you said the term, you know, cut his teeth at the prolo before he went to LSU. Like, it, like he's done having to prove things.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Like, it's amazing. Look at LSU since he left and now look at the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, he's kind of upstaging Matt, even though I think Matt's showing to be a really good football coach. I mean, and Matt will be able to probably find a, here we are writing Joe to like team like, but it's true. It's just, it's, it's tough thing if you're a head coach to,
Starting point is 00:27:11 if you want a boy wonder at OC, you just have to have a contingency plan pretty quickly. Absolutely. you know and uh and i think that's going to be interesting to see i i would love to watch them duke it out all year long i could watch that for 16 games right off the bat you saw what a difference CMC makes as if there was like any doubt he's him and kamara are like as taseom hill goes in to make it 28 nothing pretty much this is a no you got tackle at the one this is a fucking nightmare this is like i want to
Starting point is 00:27:46 to run directly out my glass window right now. I'm not high enough that I could really hurt myself. My office is not that high off the ground, but just to run through the glass window. Okay. There's not a lot of people outside right now. If I just run straight through it and fall like seven feet onto the concrete
Starting point is 00:28:03 and make a big fucking scene, maybe I could scream it out. Maybe was the key word you used. Anyways, Christian McCaffrey was really good today. And you know what? Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Like you mentioned the Honey Badger earlier. Honey Badger, I don't see him doing this a lot. Palms up on that first touchdown. Palms up being who's supposed to be here? Fourth and three, they go for it. I think it's a pick play. And they dump it off to CMC. And it's just like, I just feel like this offense,
Starting point is 00:28:36 this offense is going to be the next thing we're talking about. And we're talking about Joe Brady right now. The next McVeigh, the next, you know, Shanahan. And people are realizing in real time. And by the way, one of the gutsiest fourth and ten pluses I've ever seen. Teddy's so fucking likable, dude. He's one of the most likable quarterbacks of all time. I don't know if he's the long-term answer there.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I think you'd have to really build that roster to be dominant in some other spots for him to carry a contender. But gosh, I hope it works out for him. I think somebody had a stat where in the last, in the last 15 years or whatever, he's the best quarterback against the spread. He's like 32 and 11, something like that. Yeah. And it's nuts what he's done. And like he said, as likable, as gutty, like everything you want. Neutral field Chief Steelers, what are you making the spread?
Starting point is 00:29:35 Chief Steelers. Well, I actually liked that matchup for Pittsburgh, but I'll say three and a half for Kansas City. That's what I said today. Somebody asked me, I said three and a half. man if I could only just make the fucking odds right that's assuming we're right hey also the fake punt
Starting point is 00:29:53 this is just it was a clinic from both teams the fake punt second week in a row and then that drive caps with the Samuel end around it was just like no play was normal I mean the Kansas City and you could feel where they kind of we haven't even talked about what happened in the game were just so enamored with these coaches
Starting point is 00:30:10 but like they were trailing the whole time and scratching and clawing and then you could just feel it with that 44 yarder to Kelsey. That was the moment where you're like big man running, great route, stiff arm, dart. You know, he's getting up just flailing his arms around and shit. And that's when you know, like, they're going to pull it together. The chiefs, they just sleepwalk sometimes. I mean, it's just, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Mahomes has so much Steph Curry and him. So much. Like an NBA regular season game, it's just like, I'm, I'm so bored. I'm just going to shoot a deep three here. let me see if it goes in but even the plays that they ran though I mean the Andy dialed up for him it was just so
Starting point is 00:30:49 like you said he's bored for a while and they're like oh I gotta go make a play oh Andy dial me up some play you've never seen before like catching the ball in motion then throwing it back across your body or the fake reverse to Clyde you know just nothing
Starting point is 00:31:04 was like boring today and I just it was a lot of fun it was a lot of fun fun fun football I just love how into it Mahomes is because I know we're not supposed to judge whatever we see on the cameras and the cameras don't show you everything but every time they show them on the bench the enemy and Andy are sitting with them and it's just that much more thinking ahead that much more hey this is what happened like they're they're not taking anything for granted and like you
Starting point is 00:31:34 said they get punched in the mouth early on and then slowly but surely let's start feeling some things on and they go and they get the win. So it's they are obviously still the cream of the crop. And the one, the one high scoring game that I had higher hopes for was, was Seahawks Bills. I mean, there were a number of good games that we won't get to,
Starting point is 00:31:56 but Seahawks Bills, that was supposed to be a marquee matchup. I mean, the Hawks just played catch up and Buffalo learned to play with a lead. And they blitzed them a lot better and more effectively than they, the Rams in the second half of that game they let that big lead up. There was a moment there where it looked like
Starting point is 00:32:14 Seahawks were going to climb back into it, but it always felt like a chase game. When you start every possession, you're like, they really need points here and they just keep not getting them, but you really say, oh, if they could just get some points here, that was like the entire game. And
Starting point is 00:32:30 you know, it was so bad that all, first off, all Russ's yardage felt like garbage time. Garbage. Absolute garbage fantasy stuff. But it's amazing. But in the first half, I have never seen an offense look who wasn't trailing like they were trailing and Seattle was just conceding chunks of yardage. It was like people were running around uncontested catching the ball in the middle of
Starting point is 00:33:01 field, you know, jukeing around and then just eventually getting down because nobody tackles them. Like they were, the bills were in their two minute mode and the Seahawks had the urgency of a team that had a three touchdown lead on defense and nobody was getting home in pass rush. Josh Allen was baking, you know, I called him a roller coaster on meth earlier. He was Walter White in the pocket, baking meth. He had all day. Tucco was outside. Tucco Salamante, was that his name Salamanco? Calvary, do you remember that show Breaking Bad? Cowboy Reed's never seen Breaking Bad. Yeah, Tucco is the guy's name.
Starting point is 00:33:42 I can't remember his last name. But, I mean, like, it was too late when they figured it out. It was too late when they figured it out. No doubt. Buffalo needed this win. They needed this one. You're seeing now all the wins and all that stuff. First time since 93, first time since 92.
Starting point is 00:34:04 We know those were the glory days, you know, the Super Bowls, all the losses. But, I mean, I mean, I was growing up there and then. Those those bills teams were awesome. And I'm happy for obviously Bill's Mafia, even though they can't go to the games, they got something to freaking chair about. And they're legit. If Josh plays like he did today where he's taking care of the football, and I think they're fine on the night.
Starting point is 00:34:26 I said it last week, I think Zach Moss is stepping into a serious role right there. That guy ran like nobody in college football last year at Utah. I love the way how hard he runs. Saw the big screen today he caught. So there's, there's not. I mean, Diggs has been awesome for them. He, I mean, he really has. I thought there was going to be a little, um, to do there and a little, um, maturing process.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Just seeing how he treated cousins and knowing how. Well, he just, he just likes who he likes. Yeah, exactly. So, but I mean, hey, but more power to the bills, man, for just going out and saying, you know what? We got to get Josh somebody. and they got that guy. So good for them.
Starting point is 00:35:06 How about the irony that's almost unfair that the year the arc bends towards the Buffalo Bills and the Buffalo Bills, the Bills Mafia cannot go to the games. And then in the division... You can't throw things on the field. Yeah, I mean, you can't throw things on the field. You can't throw dildos on the field.
Starting point is 00:35:28 You can't throw children through... You can't throw beers at our buses. You can't throw children through plastic tape. and then on the other side of division the fans that really need to be tested they get an excuse for not going to watch you know cam newton flounder in the rain or you know like it's just so we don't we don't get to find out who's fair weather and who's who's not on the other side and then the the the bills fans don't get to enjoy it yeah that's a great point i mean yeah josh allen got rolling and uh you know six different receivers first five minutes 11 is first 12 23 of his first 25
Starting point is 00:36:04 plays under center were passes 24 or 28 for 282 and 3 touchdowns in the first half. Daible outcoached Ken Norton, Pete Carroll, whoever you, any coach over there, these guys outcoached them. And you know what? Seattle missed some opportunities early. If you remember that Alan got ran out of bounds, that would have made it third and goal, horse collar 14-0. And then, you know, Russ has to throw a pick on, on fourth and goal as well. So that could have been, you know, 14-7. But to be, to be honest, they got lucky it wasn't worse.
Starting point is 00:36:44 I mean, the score that made it 17-7, there was a huge miss pre-snap call on the right side. Seattle got lucky there. That touchdown shouldn't have stood. And then a late drive, they got points on. Hughes extended it with a, with kind of a bogus late hit. So that's another score they got lucky on. And then lastly, they were able to stay in the game because that Gabriel play wasn't short of the pylon.
Starting point is 00:37:11 And McDormant was afraid to throw the flag. They talked about it on the show. He hasn't won many challenges. So not the Seahawks Day, but also they didn't deserve it. They just didn't deserve it. And Russ was just making mistakes again that he can't afford to make. And he's probably not the frontrunner in the MVP race. I mean, some people will tell you he lost it as soon as you threw this couple picks against Arizona
Starting point is 00:37:34 because the cushion wasn't big and enough with him and Aaron. But I don't know. I'll tell you one thing that you never see is that hit Klein got out of man, and he stripped them. That you never see Russ get hit like that, man. And it was, you know, the picked at Tradavius that you don't ever see him force the ball like that, but it just shows that, you know, he was feeling it. And in a year, like he said, where he had such a big lead for the, you know, MVP and how
Starting point is 00:38:03 everybody wants to talk MVP. It's pretty eye open. You put it in the past tense. You said he had such a big lead. The train is moving on, dude. The train is moving on. No, I'm not. Russ is still Russ. No, Russ is the man.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And it really doesn't matter because it hasn't mattered to me that he hasn't gotten a vote yet. It has like these are awards that we like to argue over. I just think it's interesting how we ride this wave. Now, here's the reason you got to be nervous about the Hawks. And again, I haven't to remind you. I haven't been in this Super Bowl losing to a, Steelers in the Detroit Super Bowl rematch from my college days when I watched Big Ben go like nine for 13 for 101 yards and like two picks and and win a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:38:44 I think the problem with the Hawks and I still believe they can do it is that it's like you talked about Steph Curry and Mahomes. They're a three point shooting team. They get cold. Yeah. So like for them to take those incremental steps through the playoffs and end up with a Super Bowl, they can't get cold for a day. Now, I believe in
Starting point is 00:39:07 Russ. That's why I picked them, but you know, the defense is rough. I do think Dunlap's going to help. I mean, he had a great rush, you know, bull rush for a sack that should have took points off the board if they didn't shit down their leg. And then also a nice TFL. Their best pass rushers probably Jamal Adams, though.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Guy's good, dude. Yeah. Guy just ran by a tight end today. Like, no gimmicks. He was a Jet's best pass rusher last year. That's for sure. Yeah. So, I mean, I think there was something too like in the second half they blitzed like 65% of the time uh as opposed to their usual which is much less of course they're chasing but they figured some things out they started sacking them uh jaron reed had a nice game so i there's something to
Starting point is 00:39:48 build on there i don't think you i don't think you sell the farm with uh with the hawks but uh but they got to play better obviously so um big one next week at uh at the rams yeah yeah that's a big game. That seems way more competitive than I would have thought a few weeks ago. So you watched a lot of Baltimore indie. I just want to say this, man, this was a big win for the Ravens. They survived. This would have felt like the bottom fell out, particularly because the Colts aren't considered an elite team. But I heard, and Mina, who I love, Mina Combs, who I got to have her on the show and argue this point with her, this is not a narrative killing. this is not a narrative killing win in my in my estimation
Starting point is 00:40:32 you know whether it's the comeback thing or you know not beating a contender lately this is not a contender we make fun of the Colts every weekend we don't then just get to like crown the Colts to uplift the Ravens like at least in my opinion I have not I have not been sold on the Colts yes the defense is very good but beating them and overcoming a three point deficit of halftime wasn't it I mean, first off, just to recount, the Ravens lost the Chiefs twice.
Starting point is 00:41:03 And by no means am I saying I would want to play the Ravens in a football game down the stretch. I mean, it wouldn't be my first choice. But we're talking about beating the elites here. Lost the Chiefs twice the last year and a half. Steelers, they haven't played well against the Titans. And they just beat the Colts. They had a three-point deficit at the half. That's Lamar's first deficit.
Starting point is 00:41:22 He's overcoming the second half. You know, like, that doesn't do it for me. and you know this is their 30th straight game that they scored in the 20s it took the defense to do that it took the defense to do it I mean they were actually held scoreless in the first half the first time since the Chargers game two years ago they uh that that fumble return was a huge huge uh play because it was that close they ruled it a fumble so therefore it had the benefit of staying uh the coach were you know had good field position
Starting point is 00:41:55 right there, as you saw with how long the fumble return was. I will say this about Baltimore that I was pretty impressed that he just stayed with it. They stayed with the run. I mean, everybody was making a big deal in the first half about how, you know, something doesn't look right. Lamar's not throwing a ball, whatever. Colts got a good defense, man. Like, you can't come out and go up 14-0 in every game.
Starting point is 00:42:22 I really, this is the other thing. this is their, I mean, they smoked Cleveland to start the year, but we didn't think anything of it. I guess that's a lot better win than it was when we first saw it. But this is their best win. This is on the road. No doubt. This is against the Colts. And this is what we talked about on Friday, on your gambling pod, was neither of these team had a good win.
Starting point is 00:42:44 So that's why we didn't know what to think of these teams. You know, we saw in Baltimore, stepped up against Pittsburgh in Kansas City. You know, they didn't have it. They didn't play well in either game. You got to play well when you get to these stages and you get to these quality of teams. Today, they hung with it. They didn't come out well.
Starting point is 00:43:02 And Lamar stayed with it. The defense rallied around a bunch of stuff, not having Humphrey, which is huge. But I was happy to see they didn't get all out of whack and start panicking. They just stayed with their game plan and they did that. And that's what I think of when I think of John Harbaugh. Listen, again, playoff team, dangerous team.
Starting point is 00:43:23 don't want to see them, love Lamar Jackson, just don't think this was the win that is going to get, you know, it's going to kill the narrative of, we need to see more on a big, you know, against the good teams, and we need to see more in certain dimensions of the offense. Hey, this was a desperate win, you know, Hollywood was mad on Twitter. You had two-o-linmen out, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:45 including one of the best in the league. You know, you had Humphrey, as you mentioned out. And Lamar doesn't usually play well after a bad game. he doesn't rebound well. So this was a desperation game. And in the second half, Lamar balled out, 10 for 10. But, you know, it's just the body of work over 60 minutes. The tough thing about being Lamar is you are that team's rushing offense and you're
Starting point is 00:44:08 their throwing offense. So no matter what happens, you get the blame and the praise, you know, no matter what happens. And that's the way it is. That's the reality. So if the offense isn't functioning at a Super Bowl win, level, people are going to ask questions. And the Colts defense
Starting point is 00:44:26 is very good. And they were not afraid of the Ravens. Ask Justin Houston what he thinks. Justin Houston, if he heard this, would probably agree. I didn't say it. Justin Houston said it. I just watched a little miced-up thing when he was breaking down the team before the he had some colorful words for the Ravens. I don't agree with everything he said.
Starting point is 00:44:41 As far as like that he insinuated it, there was a toughness deficit. I wouldn't say that to the Ravens. That's a tough fucking football team. But he basically called him frontrunners. They do not. They get punched him out and you could feel this was one of my favorite things watching the game darius leonard the heartbeat of that team you could feel him making this personal for the defense and for him and of any game that was one-on-one today i know there's a lot flashier matchups but that dude standing in the middle of the field
Starting point is 00:45:10 that has about 300 tackles a year with you know 80 inch arms like yeah and and the dude uh and the dude under center who's scary as hell that was a lot of fun. There were plays in the first half where I haven't seen Darius Leonard that excited in his whole career. I mean, that fourth and four, he's juiced. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:33 You know, and Lamar just started slow. The Colts offense couldn't put him away. That was the problem. They're up seven-eth and early. That's what I'm saying? That drive on the turnover fumble return was huge. Huge, a mound killer. Because like you said, you're in that threshold right there again.
Starting point is 00:45:48 You go up two scores on the Ravens, then they might start pressing. But that touchdown even things out, and they were able to keep it one score, you know, while they still figured things out. Huge, I didn't want to say, huge stretch here for the Ravens. They get this win.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Now they're at New England. Then they get Tennessee, and then they're at Pittsburgh on Thanksgiving night. Big, big stretch for the Ravens. And I actually think, I feel like they're going to play better against Tennessee this year. It's a better matchup for them. I will say this.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Marcus Peters, that trade, it's like every week I have to, I should mention that it's really paid off. I mean, you talk about two huge plays today. We mentioned the fumble on Jonathan Taylor run, which he snatched the ball out. That's all him because he's not really into tackling,
Starting point is 00:46:38 tackling, he wants to get the ball out, if you know what I mean. But also that, that pick, which I didn't think was a pick, I mean, was enormous.
Starting point is 00:46:47 I mean, that's the game right there. That is the, game right there because that led to points and honestly it wasn't until that pick and subsequent score that the Colts stopped playing like bullies on defense and I've been on a defense like that where we know the offense isn't going to necessarily have our backs all the time but we can play like bullies and as long as they're in phase and not turning the ball over nobody can fuck with us that's the way that defense felt today and you know the first one was forgivable
Starting point is 00:47:15 rookie dropped the ball freak play the second one you know, it was just like, God damn, dude, we're doing everything we can. There's no margin for error. It's almost too much to overcome. You can see them being deflated. But Lamar, third down, not good enough. That's what you've got to look at.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Four to seven yards, 0 for two, and seven plus one for four. They're just going to have to make those plays. You know, and when the run game dries up, you saw what happened in the first half. You mentioned Tennessee and Pittsburgh coming up. So, that was a fun day.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Not for me personally, football fan objectively. And it rages on right now in real time. 28-0-0. It's like, what the fuck. You know what the bucks need to do is score three points to take it to the half? 28-3. Hey, one question before I let you go, Steve.
Starting point is 00:48:03 What did you think of the Kyle Allen injury? Do you think that was dirty by peppers? Was it peppers? It wasn't clean. Yeah. What do you think? When I say dirty, I think of like intent to injure. I understand.
Starting point is 00:48:18 You know, like this was, this is a, this is a no-no. Like, you know what, though? We're going to wake up tomorrow and everybody's going to be really upset. And gosh, it is so fucking unfortunate to get hurt that way. I don't think he meant to hurt him. I think sometimes it could be instinctive to kick your leg out there and just try to get somebody down.
Starting point is 00:48:39 I've tried to wrangle. When you're trying to get a sack, you try to wrangle people down. But that was a bit of a kick. You know, that wasn't such a trip. That was more of a kick. And I've never seen anybody. get kicked and it looked that bad. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:53 So to a, to a degree, it was a, it was a what the fuck like moment if you're Kyle Allen, you get up. But the fact that his season is over, presumably because of that, that's what sucks. Yep. That's the kicker, no doubt. But we've also seen O. Lyman do it for 50 years and nobody's ever bad at an eye. Correct. So, with you there.
Starting point is 00:49:13 I don't know. That was a tough one to see. Steve, appreciate you. Hopefully I'll be in a better mood next time. Hey, did you get a, did you get a lot of, I wanted to cheer you up? Did you get a Liberty VOTX score yesterday? I did get a Liberty Virginia Tech score. The Flames, the Liberty Flames, they're having a weekend.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Also, my fantasy football team, the Liberty Cuckolds are, uh, are up right now. So that's good Liberty vibes all around. So, um, very good, good, good Liberty vibes all around. So, um, very good, Good. All right. We'll get Stanford Steve back in two weekends. He's got something to do. And I hope to catch you soon, bud. All right. Thanks, man.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Checking the forecast here in Charlottesville, Virginia at 10.03, 10.03 p.m. Sunday night. And we have... This is going to be a wind joke. 86% humidity. I don't know if that's good or bad. Northwest, one mile per hour is the wind. There is zero threat of losing our beloved Makin Gunner during the podcast. Make. Is it windy over there?
Starting point is 00:50:28 No, it's not. Hey, Chris, not Wendy at all. Back to you. Who was the guy from Family Guy? The weather guy. Ali, maybe Ali Williams, Ollie Williams, maybe. Ollie, yep, Ollie. Good to have you back with us on Sunday night, sir.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Hey, good to have you in my living room as we approach midnight on a Sunday when everyone should be sleeping, getting ready for a week. Let's do best flight right off the bat. I'm going to go Miami Dolphins. That's got to be fun because the Arizona Cardinals are the Miami Dolphins, what, two years. down the road. They're supposed to be the potential contender this year. They were looking at six and two at home. The dolphins coming to town. No Miles Gaskin. Preston Williams goes out, but Miami gets it done to a solid 20 of 28 and all of a sudden we were we were sad for fits, and rightfully so, but dolphins go home five and three and
Starting point is 00:51:47 playoff bound I guess it's like it's like it's like B-flow knew something it's pretty impressive the kid did enough to win I mean they you know I was talking with Steve earlier
Starting point is 00:51:59 they did spot them that score on defense but Tua looks to be the real deal and the point you make is great I mean they're fucking two two years ahead of schedule I mean it's wild gosh they got it going
Starting point is 00:52:12 that's got it does have to be a fun flight because that flight was going to suck had they lost. Long way. Losing time. I'm going to go Best Flight. Can I do a bus ride?
Starting point is 00:52:26 Please. I didn't watch the game because I don't watch AA football, but I'm going to go Best Bus Ride, Liberty Flames, big win for them. Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:52:39 It evens out the big loss this week for you guys, but presumably. Well, they have a They have a couple fearless leaders. Mr. Falwell Jr. Took a tumble.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Yeah. And you know what? Yeah. The ball club, let's stick with it right there. Let me just tell you a little bit about it. 59-yard field goal to win it is blocked. Tech takes it home to win the game. Nah, they had called a timeout right before the field goal attempt.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Liberty then throws an eight-yard out. It's now 51 yarder to win it. The guy kicks it and makes it. Just an all-time loss for the Hokies. And I... Holy shit, dude. Actually, I did see a little blip of that field goal. And my heart nearly stopped because all the people on the radio were like,
Starting point is 00:53:30 and that's why they call it Beamer Ball. We've seen it a thousand times before. Oh, no, there's a zebra waving his hands. No. You guys got your dick's all hard because you think it's 2004. It's not 2004 anymore. Yeah, Coach Beamer retired. It's now Fwente ball.
Starting point is 00:53:52 No disrespect to anybody, but you know I have to be pretty excited when the Liberty Flames beat the Hokies and they had the best bus ride of the week. My worst plane ride, Chris, goes to the New York Giants, 2320 winners over the football team. Gosh darn it. I get texts from a couple of Giants fans every Sunday, and they're like, like, go blue, go blue. And it's like, do you really, do you really want them to go? Right. I play along sometimes. But in reality, I'd like to have that quarterback at the top of the draft. This is a second straight year that the Washington football team is screwing up a draft
Starting point is 00:54:34 position. Last year, could be any number of guys, could be a Justin Herbert, but probably was going to be a Chase Young at number two, which would have been nice. And at one in eight, you would have been in a good spot to contend for number one overall to get Trevor Lawrence this year. But two and seven, you're just a cut above. Dimes goes to four and O against Washington, one in 17 against everybody else. If he only plays teams without names, right, right. He can't be beat. He can't be beat.
Starting point is 00:55:08 And he's clearly just, he's not, he's not the guy. He's not the guy for two decades. like some of these teams, it looks like they might have. And what Kyler Murray's doing is he putting heat on people to find that guy, like no matter when it is and who your guy was a year ago. You know, it's like one of those things. You can't be attached to somebody because you made a bad decision. And I got done against Danny Dimes.
Starting point is 00:55:36 It's just like, how much more do you have to see? And it sucks because I don't think he's, he's kind of tantalizing. If he just wouldn't throw the ball to the other team. or just cough it up indiscriminately. I could be making the same, you know, comments about number 11 in Philly, but number 11 in Philly has an MVP season under his belt and, you know, accolades out the ass his first five years. It's, you got to cut your, cut your losses at some point.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Yeah, that's a good, that's a good one for the Giants. Very counterintuitive, nice. Dimes is handing off to Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris and his top receiver was a guy I've never heard of, Austin Macs. So he's not playing with a full deck. No, he's not. I'm not saying it should be over for him in the league, but I'm just saying if you're the Giants and you're picking at the top of the draft, you have to do what you've got do for the football team. I think Dimes has potential. But do the Giants have the time as an
Starting point is 00:56:33 organization to, I mean, like the perfect situation for him would be hiding behind somebody for four or five years and playing the long game and learning and that sort of thing. He's one of those quarterbacks. I'm afraid that he gets turnover out of the league and his confidence is shot because people on podcasts like ours are writing them off for Trevor Lawrence like halfway through the season in his second year.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I also saw him go 0 and 3 against Virginia and throw nine picks to three touchdown. So you're saying this isn't something new. Nah, I've been watching this a long time. Viewing party, you got anybody? Yeah. I know. I don't.
Starting point is 00:57:14 That's okay. Viewing party. You in your fucking sunroom, not thinking of a viewing party. But you have been patient with me tonight. I had to think of a couple of these on the spot as you called in. Hey, I'll go Midwesterners in general. What a roller coaster weekend it has been for some people. I don't know what your political affiliation is, state to state, county to county.
Starting point is 00:57:40 But, I mean, it's probably no matter who you are. you're exhausted by Saturday night. And if you're a Notre Dame fan, you finally don't piss down your leg on the big stage. Tampa's about to go in for the first score. Thank you very much. The comeback begins. I jinx that too, didn't I?
Starting point is 00:57:58 What is your clock read? My clock reads 10.14 p.m. Oh, I meant left to go in the game. 9.34 left to go in the game. And it is now fourth end goal. Wow. You are like 30 seconds of game time ahead of me. Yeah, I got direct TV here at the office.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Like Notre Dame fans for the first time not pissing down their leg in a big spot, you know, that was an exciting game. Ian Book was exciting. He was really decisive. I was impressed with the kid. I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame. I haven't been watching college football that much this year. That kid was awesome late in that ball game.
Starting point is 00:58:34 And boy, oh boy, that Clemson, I mean, the rich get richer. That fucking guy is going to be fun to watch as well. But if you're a Notre Dame fan, maybe you live. in Chicago, you're happy drunk Saturday night, and today you were upset drunk. I mean, like that offensive performance, I didn't even have to watch it. I was just reading the timeline. Not going to lie to you, haven't watched that game end-to-end. It sounds terrible, and people are ready to run naggy out of town. What a 24-hour swing for a Midwestern football fan in the greater Chicago area. Whoever you are, you were exhausted going to the game Saturday night, and that roller coaster
Starting point is 00:59:12 did not stop. Had to be some interesting middle age, like cohabitating with middle age drunk males in the Chicago area this weekend. And I happen to know that South Bend is in Indiana, Chris. And it was like 7 o'clock in four seconds. It's like, hey, welcome to our election coverage. And we could now call the great state of Indiana for Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Oh, yeah. I mean, like, all right, some of these things are givens. I didn't realize Indiana was quite like that. You're like, who wants to be perpetually ashamed of themselves? Do we do? We did the clan. Remember we did the clan? Welcome.
Starting point is 00:59:58 We have Walda Walker and Indiana has been called for Donald Trump. Stop the vote. That's what I was saying. I need to see those votes. Well, that had to be an interesting. weekend for a lot of people in that region of the country. No matter what your political affiliation is, usually if you're a Bears fan, I suppose you lean Notre Dame, not Northwestern. I also motion for all Chicago dudes to have to adopt Northwestern. It's geographically appropriate.
Starting point is 01:00:31 It's way more appropriate than being a frontrunner, an independent school. It's afraid to play with the big boys until they have to. Hey, Fly on the wall. Well, why don't you start flying the wall? Gerald Wayne Jones is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys. And I would have loved to hear that conversation between Gerald, his son, Stephen, presumably his other son, Stephen, grandson, Stephen, Jerry. There are just lots of Joneses in that suite.
Starting point is 01:01:06 I bet they talked themselves into Garrett Gilbert by quarter one. maybe maybe to make themselves feel better about potentially not paying deck prescott which of course now it looks like you should probably be paying deck prescott but garrick gilbert looks decent and is being the pittsburgh steelers as you've talked about in great detail for a long time and I just bet they were talking themselves into pretzels about how they've uncovered the latest I don't know they probably went as far back and as creative as Tony Romo perhaps oh man man that had to be interesting to ease drop on that conversation you know I think uh I think people are looking at it's funny when we didn't pay the historically productive guy under center
Starting point is 01:01:58 but I think we're out of the woods now boys did you see you see this fucking guy out here? He's beating the undefeated Steelers. I mean, I don't doubt that those are the type of conversations that are happening. I like how you started in the Jerry voice and then you're standing halfway through. Yeah, I don't do voices for that
Starting point is 01:02:16 long. I just, man, I wonder what they were saying. I wonder if anybody, listen, kudos to that kid. I remember in the pregame, I was, I had on NFL network for a second. And they were really making fun of this kid kind of, without
Starting point is 01:02:32 shitting on him. They weren't explicitly shitting on him. They were just kind of like, man, there's going to be the ugliest game ever. I know that Steelers play down, but this kid played in the witch league. I guess he played in the AAF. And Mooch was trying to explain to him that he was pretty good in AAF. And all the people on set were laughing because in the AAF, there's like a rule where you can only blitz on a certain percentage of the plays. And they're like, good luck with Pittsburgh Steelers. But the kid wasn't bad, dude. He really wasn't bad. And I think that says more about the Steelers right now, underperforming on D.E. defense than the Cowboys.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I read some quote today. Spurrier said the only difference between Garrett Gilbert and Nick Foles is one of them's making millions, others making 70 grand when he coached them and whatever this was. Do you know who drafted young, not so young, Garrett Gilbert? Whom's? The 2014 St. Louis Rams. Are you serious?
Starting point is 01:03:26 Yeah, bro. I'm serious. He's 29. He was drafted by your club in 2014 and the sixth round. God. I got to see a picture of his face. That's fucked up. You know,
Starting point is 01:03:40 that's the second time today that I said I didn't know who it was. I'll remember him when I see his face. Were you just waiting and waiting for that? No, I just saw it. Oh, yeah, this kid's awesome. Yeah, you remember him. He's just a really nice kid.
Starting point is 01:03:57 I didn't talk to him much. Get my stuff, rookie. Nah, that wasn't it. I guess he was getting Sam Bradford stuff. How long did he, was he with us there? One year. And we've got an asterisk that says offseason and or practice squad member only. So you probably didn't even talk to those guys.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Well, that wasn't it. I just tragically, my career went down the shitter, the first game of that season. I wasn't in the building a lot. So that probably had something to do with it. Until the end of the year, when they drugged me up to limp me around and devalue. my earning potential in the next go-round of man you had a rough go of it the rookie rookie uh whatever that obscene amount of money you got paid before they changed the rules well uh that number that number looks a little bit different now after tonight oh does it sorry sorry
Starting point is 01:04:59 for your loss yeah there's going to be a lot of budget cuts around the the studios Hey, sorry about those donuts, by the way. Have you cleaned up those sprinkles? They're still in the fucking trash, dude. I couldn't even lie. I got donuts today for the kids and I. And I couldn't, I could barely look at the donuts.
Starting point is 01:05:21 It's like I had PTSD from the other donuts. Well, those are some, some fortunate donuts, not to have spent time on a bench or in a rug. Yeah, shout out to Garrett Gilbert, my sincere apologies. I said to Steve earlier, I didn't even catch the guy's name because I watched the game with the sound off,
Starting point is 01:05:42 prepping for the pod. And I didn't have his name handy during the main body of this podcast. Now I do, and I'm ashamed to myself. Teammates for life, we're family. Forever. I never said that. I never said that. I love Garrett Gilbert.
Starting point is 01:06:04 We're going to be there for the birthday. of each other's children and run our podcast and forget each other you know what though if Gary Gilbert anybody listens podcast and knows him and he hears about this he'll probably be like yeah I don't really know that motherfucker well either he was washed
Starting point is 01:06:22 up by the time I got there who exactly fly on the wall hey if anybody saw the Georgia game this weekend I've never seen such a morbid injury have to get reviewed like what do you do in the booth? I don't know if you saw that.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Cowboy Reed, if you saw that, I mean, his leg was like sideways and they had to go to a booth review at the goal line to see if he got in. And the guys on CBS were like, we don't need to see this, and they kept showing it, and kept showing it,
Starting point is 01:06:57 and kept showing it. And then they were like, we're going to stop showing this now. And there was a three minute break and they were like coming out of commercials. Like, one more time, this is the play that's under, What the fuck, dude?
Starting point is 01:07:08 I just say if there's an injury and a guy's out for the season and gets a first down or a touchdown, you don't review it. You just give it to him. When in doubt, give him the touchdown or give him the first down. You don't even question the fucking play. If they had reversed that play, that would have been disgusting. Well, the guy in the production truck, to your point, needs to say, Hey, his legs sideways.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Play-by-play guy. tell the people we're not going to show it anymore because it's disgusting and um or you go the dac route which uh was nifty when they pixelated it as the day went on so you didn't have to look at it oh yeah yeah yeah they did uh they did the uh the thing yeah word dicks or compound fractures that's pretty much what what gets pixelated i um listen i i thought they showed that one too many times during the game. You know, and Tony thought it was a cramp. Tony was like, hopefully it's just a cramp.
Starting point is 01:08:13 I was like, yeah, Tony, I don't think it's a cramp, bud. Like, don't think so at all. I'm really, it's one of my pet peeves is watching that stuff. I know everybody has that pet peeve, but there's just no need to even replay it once at all. So I'm wondering what the fuck they were thinking over the weekend in that Georgia game. St. Louis Memorial Award I'm going to go
Starting point is 01:08:36 well it's not the St. Louis Memorial Award anymore it's the Frank Gore Love of the Game Award sponsored by the St. Louis Rams the home of Garrett Gilbert and Chris Long Inextricably linked forever Gosh
Starting point is 01:08:54 when he was making the throws I felt like I was making the throws A practice team dudes in theory they're at practice, right? Yeah. But they're also in meetings and at lunch and all sorts of things. But the problem was, and I'm not making excuses. Now I do, you know me.
Starting point is 01:09:16 I would tell you if I don't remember him because I just cut this. If I didn't remember him, I didn't want to embarrass him. Not that he'd embarrass him. I don't remember him. But like, you know, it's weird for some people to think that you could be on the team with somebody and not remember somebody. I play with a bunch of guys I don't remember. You know, like there's a hundred guys on every team.
Starting point is 01:09:34 to start the season. It's like an army of people and the older you are, you just don't know some of the young guys. And then to make matters worse, if you're in St. Louis, the roster turns over every single week. So here's what probably happened.
Starting point is 01:09:49 Quarterback, other side of the building. I don't really talk to young quarterbacks anyways. Yeah. And then, yeah, right. And then, oh, God, I was a captain that year. and then here's the problem as soon as the roster gets cut
Starting point is 01:10:09 down to 53 you start meeting people you start meeting some of the young guys starting to have conversation with them they stay in like kind of a rookie click a little bit like they eat lunch together that sort of thing like if you're in the position group with a rookie and I'm just giving people a little background here
Starting point is 01:10:22 if you're in a position group with a rookie like you get to know that rookie if you're that kind of vet and I like to talk to the rookies in the room but outside the room you don't really talk to some of the guys especially the guys who weren't drafted because you just don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Like you talk to them in the hall. It's not like you avoid them, but you just don't know how long people are going to be here, that sort of thing. Then it comes time for the roster cut down. And then the building empties by half, so guys start to intermingle and that sort of thing and eat lunch and dinner and there's a million meals
Starting point is 01:10:53 and people are in the building longer. That was the year I got hurt the first game. So I probably never got a chance to meet one of my all-time heroes, Garrett Gilbert. One last shout out. The quarterback room that year, dudes who threw passes, Austin Davis and Sean Hill. And then, of course, Johnny Hecker went two for two. Hecker two for two against the Seahawks, possibly?
Starting point is 01:11:18 Possibly, but no Sam to ram either. Well, Sam got hurt against the Cleveland Browns preseason game, ACL, man. That was one of the worst nights of my professional life. What a downer. Let me give this award out. Love of the Game Award, Frank Gore. Dalvin Cook, step right up. You're going to be getting so many of these.
Starting point is 01:11:39 You're going to fill up your home office. I'm going to just send, like, I'm going to send him a 40-pound package. We don't actually make awards, like physically for anybody, but I'm going to send Cowboy Reed, write a note down. We got to physically make eight copies of the Frank Gore Love of the Game Award because Dalvin Cook's going to win every fucking week and just FedEx it to him ground. at the end of the year.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Ground. He's going to be like, yeah, you're right? He's going to be like, what the fuck? What is this? What is this beat up box? A bunch of shit's clanking around.
Starting point is 01:12:15 What should the trophies look like? You know what? Make, I'm getting these done. You know who makes trophies around here? You know anybody that makes trophies around here locally? Yeah, because when I went a fantasy league, I get a made for myself. Well, fantasy team is comfortable.
Starting point is 01:12:32 winning their third game of the season right now, by the way. Congratulations. Shout out to the cucks. I'm not going on any billboards. By the way, I think I'm up 5-1 and Thursday Night Time Machine. That's great. I'm definitely going to the Waffle House. Hey, 24 hours in the Waffle House, a quick reminder for everybody,
Starting point is 01:12:49 the loser of Thursday Night Time Machine is headed there at the end of the season. Dalvin Cook, he's the kid at the boardwalk, like who's too big to play the games and just definitely too big to play this game. You know, like everybody else who has a good game on an obscure team, I apologize, Dalvin's in line again every week. Sorry. Scurdy Terry McLaurin is my Frank Gore Award winner for the week.
Starting point is 01:13:17 The trophy can go to your guy, but Scary Terry is seven for 115 in a touchdown, seventh in the league with 692 receiving yards. That dude is awesome, and he's catching passes from no disrespect, Dwayne Haskins, Kyle Allen, and Alex Smith.
Starting point is 01:13:32 scary Terry good by you I love scary Terry had no idea who was 25 years old yeah well what'd you think I thought possibly a bit younger
Starting point is 01:13:45 I mean it's the second year in the league also oh move the chains 31 nothing Tampa's driving 18 minutes to go
Starting point is 01:13:55 in this ball game anything can happen anything can happen 60 minute game so what's it like being a ghost ghost are dead I'm very much alive Hollow Man
Starting point is 01:14:09 Hollow Man is going to go to me for Betton Buck's Money Line I just want to disappear I want to sink out of this chair laptop hits the ground the whole nine yards and I don't know where I want to go when I disappear but I don't want to be here I just don't want to be here
Starting point is 01:14:27 Hollow Man I wish I could turn into Kevin Bacon right now Hey, Tom Brady's about to get sacked on fourth and seven. He's just throwing the ball across his fucking body. It's pitch and catch. Malcolm Jenkins. Oh, my gosh. I'm 30 seconds behind looking at cartoons of Matt Ryan.
Starting point is 01:14:44 Well, let's give out a game ball here. Game ball. I'm going to go JJ Watt. 100 sacks, one of the fastest players in NFL history to get there. Hall of Famer. And somebody who has been fun to watch for a lot of years. 18 sacks, those kind of years were like an absurd certainty. He's not really an interior player per se,
Starting point is 01:15:12 because he's done most of his damage as far as attaining that achievement from the left side at left end, but he can rush all over. Aaron Donald's right behind him with a chance to be in that conversation for fast stever to 100 sacks. 100 sacks is a big deal.
Starting point is 01:15:29 I mean, it's something guys think about, all great pass rushers, think about, that number, triple digits, and he's done it being pretty disruptive in the run game as well. And lately he hasn't been the same guy, and that's okay, dude. I mean, he's older and he's had a number of operations and he's, you know, he's missed some time. He keeps getting back up off the mat and back stuff is hard, man. You could see it sometimes that he doesn't have the same burst, but fuck he's still a force and to get his 100s sack late in that game
Starting point is 01:16:04 it felt like it took a couple weeks and I'm sure it was looming large for him pretty cool the only thing that sucks about it is it was kind of a game that nobody was watching but either way I tip my cap to him and I hope he's got three to five
Starting point is 01:16:20 to seven more years in him if he does or if he doesn't a hundred is a hell of an accomplishment and maybe it's not in Houston what do you think is he staying in houston i know he said something this week about wanting to win and that doesn't seem like it jive well with that ball club i'm i remain a to sean watson believer so just just get the right
Starting point is 01:16:46 pieces in place from a front office standpoint make it happen you got nice clean unies uh yeah let's stick it out in houston i think he uh you want to hear something crazy Let me make sure I get this, I say this cleanly into the microphone because we're going to be running this back next offseason if he's on the move. JJ Watt to the Green Bay Packers. Wow. You got a game ball?
Starting point is 01:17:17 Josh Allen, 31 of 38 for 415, four total touchdowns. 31 of 38 is 82% for crying out loud. I don't care who you're playing. It was a beleaguered Seattle defense. which had some dudes back, though. Eight different receivers. I had a rushing touchdown. Bills are seven and two.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Josh Allen, I think it was easy to say, hmm, that's questionable when he was drafted, what, seventh-ish, fifth-ish? And he's really good. I think that's the bottom line. I know you liken him to a roller coaster. while on methamphetamines. If that's like really good and cool and fun and awesome,
Starting point is 01:18:06 then yeah, you're right, because the bills are good. And it's because of him. They are good. But I still don't trust them because of the defense. That hasn't changed. Josh, though, love watching him play. All right, cool.
Starting point is 01:18:22 That should do it for us. my keys just fell there's a ghost in the fucking studio my keys just fell off the table for no reason Dr. Melvin on line one we need to get Dr. Melvin back for those of y'all still listening that
Starting point is 01:18:39 that was the paranormal investigator that we talked to around Halloween I think there might be some functionality for us to have him back within the next seven to ten days so look out for him later in the week maybe maybe we could get somebody who works at four seasons total landscaping there are people i have never yes there are people i have never heard of running with the football with a lot of space around them tason hills playing quarterback are the bucks the best
Starting point is 01:19:09 team in florida miami dolphins holy shit yeah four seasons how about that between a uh was it a crematorium and an in an adult video store which i didn't know that they still had those. Well, they do have videos at the store, but it's really an adult bookstore, first and foremost. Who reads, like, what, is that an erotic, not an erotic novel? Yeah, that's right. They do, yeah, they do have videos, though, too, and they have, like, live watches, I believe. Golly Day.
Starting point is 01:19:44 After last, after the Nikki Blazers, you I said I wouldn't put down any of these roads. Well, this feels like nothing compared to what Nikki was talking. talking about on here. How afraid were you of like who was listening for 24 hours? I was fine until people started hollering and I guess it's nice to know that people do listen to the program. People liked it. But it was also terrifying. I was so scared. I got a lot, wife alert, wife alert. I got a lot of did your lovely wife Kate listen to that particular interview? Did your lovely wife Kate listen to that interview? I was like, A, nah, she's never listened to one of the shows.
Starting point is 01:20:21 And B, what? What? We didn't, it was. No, we just, we were really listening. Yes. Nobody here, I mean, I've heard of porn. I just didn't know there were still people reading books about porn and watching videos. Like, are you watching them on VCR? All right.
Starting point is 01:20:43 Y'all take care.

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