Green Light with Chris Long - NFL Wild Card Reactions! Eagles Beat Packers, Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen Thrive & Vikings vs Rams!

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

Welcome to the Green Light LIVE NFL Wild Card reaction show! Nothing better than playoff football! Chris Long and Beau Allen, fresh off attending the Philadelphia Eagles Wild Card win over the Green Bay Packers, recap each of the NFL's Wild Card matchups and preview the Monday Night Matchup between the Minnesota Vikings and LA Rams. On Saturday, the Houston Texans forced Justin Herbert into 4 interceptions in their win and the Baltimore Ravens defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers for the second time this season behind Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. On Sunday, Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills rolled over the Denver Broncos, the Eagles handled the Green Bay Packers and Marshon Lattimore and the Washington Commanders faced Mike Evans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Tampa Bay. And in the final matchup of the Wild Card weekend, the Minnesota Vikings head to Arizona to take on the LA Rams. (00:00) - Intro: Chris & Beau in Philly (12:00) - Eagles 22 Packers 10 (45:00) - Commanders 23 Buccaneers 20 (1:11:30) - Texans 32 Chargers 12 (1:30:00) - Ravens 28 Steelers 14 (1:55:35) - Bills 31 Broncos 7 (2:13:40) - MNF Preview: Minnesota Vikings at LA Rams (2:22:25) - NFL Head Coaching Roundup: Mike McCarthy, Mike Vrabel & Ben Johnson Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nolan Smith. Dog. I'm so happy to see his kind of, his transition to being a real guy complete. And he completes it. I mean, I think now we can say he's arrived. But as an overhang player, one thing I've been very complimentary of this year with him has been setting edges. And there was a play early in that game where Elton Jenkins came to kick him out. And he gave him a dead arm.

Yeah. That single-handedly changed the game because that started the whole O-line carousel. That, I feel like, was a big part that kind of probably was. ruined their game plan. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Thank you for tuning in today. It is the NFL Super Wildcard Reaction Show. We still use Super Wildcard around here.

And it's a full house in studio, Chris, Bo, Dr. Fax. We also have Nolan, Kingston, Tanner hanging out all in studio. A blast and a half. We go through all the wild card games, break down the outcomes, the biggest matchups, why the winning teams were able to be so successful. We also dive into head coaching changes around the league. Mike McCarthy, not returning to the Cowboys and Mike Vrable, becoming the new Patriots head coach.

A lot of news around the NFL right now. A great episode, Chris and Bo were straight off the plane from the Eagles game. Had a blast and a half. We also preview the Vikings Rams matchup tonight. Enjoy the episode and we'll see you later this week. Oh, I don't need the headphones, do I? We're alive. Everyone's here.

Man around this motherfucker, will you? Gang's all here. Dirt. Pist pistol. You're like dark. I don't know, dude. Talk to the cameraman. Kingston's here.

He's got his Texans jersey on. Sting. He's back from, where was it, Atlantic City? Borgata. Me and Nate played some poker. Met a bunch of Greenlight fans.

It was pretty cool. Shout out to Bet MGM. Bet MGM. Yeah, it was great. What was the highlight? You guys are being kind of quiet about this trip. Like nothing good happened? So, usually it's like,

oh my God. That's my first poker tournament. You know, Matt's a vet. He's been in a lot of poker tournaments. Right. And I won an early hand. What'd you win on? I had pocket jacks.

Let's go. And the boys, went through, had a couple people in the hand. But winning that hand kind of alert the table, hey, maybe this guy doesn't really know what the fuck he's doing. Yeah. And every single time after that, whenever I bet, there was a bunch of you. of people betting after me to be like, we're going to really see if you know how to play. And I didn't, but I just didn't want to be the first guy out of the tournament. Also, I didn't want to be the first guy out of my table because you start, you play at a table

of 10. Yeah. And the top two of that table move on to the next round. And so I wasn't the first person out of my table. So that was a win for me. How much money is somebody winning at a table like this? First place was seven grand. No way.

Yeah, I could have made it to round three. I just choked for it. Seven grand a round or seven grand for the whole day? Seven grand for like the winner of the tournament. But it would have been up to like a thousand dollars easy if I had won by round two, but I couldn't. But with that. I don't understand you poker people. You spend all day you can just put in a teaser and be done with it win seven grand in an afternoon.

Well, I took my poker profits and I put it on Texas. So I ended up even. Oh, nice. Yeah. Nice. There we go. Yeah. So it was a good, it was a good trip. Absolutely. Okay. It was a nice, nice venue. So it was... And I want to welcome Dr. Fax back. He hasn't been back since he got in that accent we were talking about. You're good. Everybody was worried about you.

I'm good. I'm back. Start the New Year off with a bang, literally. Literally, dude. Literally. But... A lot of fun phone call to get from your friend. Man, man. Man, oh man. I'm just glad you're okay, man. Yeah, me too. And everybody, uh, everybody listening. Go ahead. Yeah. I want to say shout out to Apple Watch because that commercial that they put, you know, played the Apple Watch actually was the it triggered it knew I got into an accident and was able to call first responders and call me like I'm on the side of the road not even really thinking about anything hugging my girlfriend at the time and I just start hearing the voice like hello and I'm just like like what is this and it's my watch yeah so shout

out to Apple Watch the first dispatcher yeah in Greensboro North Carolina yeah It was a crazy, crazy night, but I'm glad that you're back. Girl are okay. So, yeah, people, people have been asking about you, man. We've been like, where's facts? So he'll be back. And the Butter King is in the building. The Butter King, he's been doing the finger guns.

This is the Kiss Pistols, by the way. The Kiss pistols? They put up me and Chris and Big Witt and Kels. Chris, what a great boss. Got us a nice little box over at the link. So we're at the game. They put us up on the, on the jumbo. which was sick yeah i did the kiss pistols did you really while we were on the jumbo ton it was

electric are you fucking kidding me no that ass it's kind of painful it was great what you mean a kiss pistols baby i bro you couldn't you couldn't convince me to do anything on that thing other than what i did which was like chris is just like oh cool yeah what you do dude well i mean i don't think anybody really noticed us honestly because kelsey's in the frame right exactly you know what i mean yeah cap yeah that's That dude is like J.C. right now in Philly. Like the fucking like John Lennon. He knows been like J.C. It's yeah.

But he was incredible. It was a great. Before we get into the games, you have to excuse my hat if you're not an Eagles fan. I just, we came straight from Philly. Yep. We were up there having a good time. I brought the kids up. I told you about last week we were supposed to go to L.A.

To go to the Rams game and had it all set up. It was going to be a really good evening. Monday evening we were going to shit yeah they didn't move the night they moved the game to Arizona and because I was supposed to go and like hey washed up player of the game they didn't want to do

I don't like saying legend of the game I'm not a legend but washed up player of the game you're a legend correct you didn't feel like a fucking legend when we were in Philly yesterday come on in Philly yes because we won a damn Super Bowl yeah but you're not a legend in L.A when you play eight years for a franchise and won 35 games over those eight years.

Security speaking. Weird of self-help. I think it's just, I think I need a book. I think I need a book. But we were supposed to, I was supposed to go to L.A. And then the fires obviously moved the game. And so last minute, I was able to just kind of shake something together

up in Philly and bring the kids because the kids were supposed to go to L.A. They were freaking out, went up there, brought my baby girl, June, who's one-year-old. old and dropped her off with the in-laws on the Jersey side met up with her again this morning to take everybody home and she pissed all over me on the airplane and I'm still wearing the same sweatpants.

Worst flight. Worst flight. Honestly, it wasn't that bad. That's my worst flight though. Just say. When I told you the flight was two and a half hours, do you believe me? I kind of was just like, I didn't believe you, but I was like, okay, you know, just kind of a long for the ride.

Yeah, I told him for two and a half hours. It was like, you know, he was just like. I was like, that don't make sense, but. So anyways, we had a great time. We went tailgating. There was a little bit where I got to go meet up with Bo, independent of the family. Not that I don't love tailgating with my family, but I just, you know, I'm a free bird, dude. Yeah.

You know, sometimes I got to be free and getting to walk around, you know, the F lot, the K lot. Shout out to K-9, the Maycoids. Hell yeah. In the, in the K lot. It was awesome. I mean, it was great. It was great. Anytime I get to go tailgate, period, in the NFL, but like, especially in Philly.

That was my first time tailgating at the Lange. Are you serious? Remember we went to the Army Navy game a couple years ago, which is that's right. Yeah. And there was, you know, everyone was tailgating, but it wasn't Eagles fans tailgating at the length. So it was sweet. Better than tailgating with the troops for you.

Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I enjoyed the Army Navy game. Yeah. I mean, Army Navy, I know what you're trying to do here, but mostly I'm just trying to say, like, you know, it was a lot better. You know, last time we were tailgating as a bunch of a bunch of

fucking veterans and uh you know i wanted to go inside the whole time i just couldn't wait to see the game but you know i enjoyed army navy if i had to power rank the times i've tailgated to the link it goes army navy number one yeah and then like you know two and three okay we get it chris loves the truth love the true great patriot well hey i'm the one i'm gonna take you to normandy oh my god yeah we'll see if chris actually does that no i shook your hand last night i'm you did shake my Yeah. So we're up, Chris texting me at like 11 p.m.

on like Saturday night or something, a video of a parachute that failed to open. And I was just like, my guy is going down the rabbit hole of YouTube failed parachute videos. This can't be good. You are going to have to practice. You are going to. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. We have to go down to Florida. Yeah. To like practice. Actually outside Jacksonville. Like I said. Well, sure. But I mean.

It was just unbelievable for me to think that you, that you thought it was just going to be something like, yeah, I'm going to be able to. What is there to it? You jump. a plane you pull a fucking cord you float down ultimately because the troops want me to practice i'm gonna practice but like it's not about i could i could go in cold i'm the a i'm i'm out just get an apple watch

man if you end up crashing they'll alert the authorities you'll be all right chris is dead chris is dead chris is a bloody stain yeah on a on a on a beach in normal no man no that's not gonna happen because we're gonna practice yes because i'm gonna do the but anyways yesterday we we met up with Whitworth was in in the suite Kelsey um we went down on the field for a little bit gave lane a big hug lane almost opened a cut above my right eye with his big helmet it's like the dudes are so big man like you can't even believe you used to used to run into them well like i saw lann and dickerson pregame he came over and was shopping up with us and i was just like god you are fucking mad that's also the biggest offensive line in the NFL yeah but like we play with brandon

brooks who's he's yeah huge dude they're kind of built similarly it's it's just weird when you're And you're used to being on the field around guys and pads when you're also in that. When you're a guy and the cleats, you know. And in the end zone, there's like a small taper where the grass kind of goes down. Excuse me for wearing a Rolex. I'm only doing it because I was up there. It's our Eagles Rolex. Bo, I don't know how the chat rules on this, but Bo had it.

What do you think about those facts? He wore a Super Bowl ring to the game. I think that's cool. Why not? Thank you. It's kind of a bet, but it's not about the 17 team. It's about the, you know, 2000. 20 you're in the point of what you would do if any time to wear your ring

he was getting like pizza grease on it and shit it's meant to be worn but it's his ring okay hey i didn't lose it in a fucking vat of chili like kelsey he really did that huh he really did that and every time i try to give him fucking shit for it he he like blows it off like it's not a big deal i'm like dude this is my prize possession i mean i'm sure you feel the same way yeah no it's sitting on my shelf right now i need to put it away on the shelf for two weeks you should have brought up to the game. No, but like, this was with the ring on. We were in the suite.

We were down on the field. It was awesome. I don't know what else happened. We went to the casino late, late that night to watch the commanders game, which we'll talk about in a second. But we are going to start with the Eagles just because that's where we came from. Listen, I know a lot of people are going to come out of the game and not having access to the end zone.

Although, like, honestly, going to watch football live and watching it from high up, you basically have the all 22. Yeah. but it certainly helps to turn it on this morning and confirm maybe the suspicion we had and like, listen, I've been accused of being a little lukewarm on Jalen in the past. And I have been at times. But this wasn't really his worst game. This wasn't like a game where he blew it or, you know, there's some throws he missed.

Yeah. I think ultimately this comes down to Kellynmore not having a great game plan. Me and Nolan were just talking having finally watched the tape on all 22. It was like it felt like they're passing. attack last year. Spacing concepts, very vanilla. Yeah. Um, you know, the quick game, it took to like the third quarter for them to hit a couple crossers. I guess my question is, is like Jaylon's been out, he's been injured. They rest a lot of key guys recently. You know, was it their game playing going into it offensively to kind of ease him back into it with some vanilla stuff, get him comfortable.

I think the thing that I kind of noticed early with Jaylin in that game, Chris, like you said, like we had a great vantage point. Yeah. Um, you know, birds come out and get a huge takeaway on special seems early. You started the short field. The link is popping. And on that touchdown pass, like, it ended up being great, but Jayland seemed a little uncomfortable in the pocket to me. You know, and I don't know if that's the concussion that he had recently or just, you know, hasn't been playing a little bit, but he had a clean pocket. You know, he had a lot of time to throw. And he tried to bail from it a little early. He looked around and realized that he was fine, then got his eyes down field and made an unbelievable pass. And it's like, yeah, listen,

a little bit to get comfortable. It's very fortunate that they got. that bounce early on special teams and we're able to fall on the ball and execute you know it didn't take them long actually go back and watch that first play look at the ride that jordan myelotta took mcduffey on you saw the same thing thank god somebody else saw it i'm sure an eagles fan saw it but like yeah it just isn't aside those guys up front are nothing to be fucked with i mean and then you know the very next play as beau alluded to the the protection is so good that eventually something opens up in the back of the end zone for him and like you get that free that free seven points which really helped because you know I predict this is the one lock I got

right I got murdered on my damn locks I went one and four I think yeah it was brutal starting with that over or bet in the under Saturday and I in the second half of that Houston game I was like bro I can turn the game on so but the one thing I was sure about was early in this game the points were going to be at a premium yeah because of you know and I don't know what the conversations are in the building like hey we're going to take it easy in the passing game this week keep things very vanilla make sure we don't turn the ball over we know we're better in this team we know any drive we want we can go and possess it for eight minutes and go and score a touchdown or kick a field goal like if we commit to the run game and that sort of thing and i think you kind of showed that they

were kind of tiptoeing out of the gate a little bit and had it not been for that touchdown i think things get a little bit shaky yeah from a vibe standpoint in that stadium which i talk about sometimes like playing at home is great in the playoffs but playing at home in the playoffs when things aren't going well and you're the the team expected win when you're the favorite yeah that can kind of turn the crowd especially at the link we were laughing in the box because uh i think it was the second half it was 10 to zero birds were up and there was i think it was after the speed option call on like third and five or whatever it was yeah everyone was booing i'm like well yeah it's like you love but it's like yeah we're i think it might have been 1610 at that

point and that was to lay up and kick a field goal in 1910 and that was the kind of game it was right no problem i have no problem with that because i'm very comfortable you know comfortable with that defense and i think also jordan love was dinged you know i'm you know like some people are going to say hey you're making excuse for the guy and certainly he was very up and down this year relative to his standard that he set for himself last year um but i do think he was dinged i mean right down to not being able to put the ball right on the money on that fourth down to mali keith he's got to get his feet down you know missing a couple balls in the end zone that he quite honestly has to hit um throwing some picks that were just bad decisions i don't even think he saw zach bond yeah but

knowing everything you knew coming in the game fear the eagles you know like hey we just have to play within ourselves and we might walk out of the stadium and fans might be upset well say someone was like i'll win three zero i don't give a fuck or something yeah i think that's what he said in the media And I don't think AJ Brown's reading that book if he's got, you know, 10 catches for 100 yards. Hey, he's read it in every game. What do you think about the book, Nate? I just, I'm upset that, or actually, I want to see later down the line if he has some type of marketing deal because I tweeted it last night. I was like, I hope you're getting some type of money because the promotion that that book is going to get for the next couple of weeks now that it was shown the way it was.

and what do you know, it's the bestseller. And I wonder realistically if the NFL finds some way to find him and be like, you can't do it because that's free promotion for someone else and like what's gonna stop another player or if I was a publisher for inspiration book, I'm like, I'm sending books to every person.

We're not allowed to wear T-shirts. How are we allowed to read books? You actually make a very good point. It's no different. I mean, it took me a second to recognize, but this is a great point. Because obviously it's a, a it's a book that's a very serious take on this book but look it's a book that no one really can

like get mad at and be like oh like fuck this book what is it inter excellence yeah it's cool but like imagine if it was like a controversy mind confitably everybody if that's what he says it's really got the balls it's the slippery slope i mean i wonder what the NFL does or if there's like a going out right now like hey no books on the sideline rogers just got the alex jones autobiography next year now this is the segment that needs to be run in sports media today not everybody bringing a book to work which athletes are reading which books yeah for sure we can do that at the end of the show or somebody can rip it and do it on their podcast and call it their own whatever you want but uh i think it ultimately came down to the fact that just

you know the eagles understood the assignment they understood the game they got to break break early that probably colored in how they were going to play the game the rest of the way. And were they great? No, do I feel great about the way they won the football game? No. I mean, if that's Kellynne Moore's best game plan, I don't feel great about it. But do the the Eagles wake up and feel great about being, you know, getting a win at home, having another home game coming up against the winner of tonight's game. I mean, you have, you have to love a playoff win, no matter what. For sure, dude. But like, let's not be, let's be honest. It was a little ugly. This Packers team, to me, was not ready.

You know, they limped into the playoffs. You lose Christian Watson, the way they played at times down the stretch this season, the way the quarterbacks played. And quite frankly, it just continued. And I think a lot of it had to do with his arm. But I don't think this team was anywhere close to the standard that the Eagles should play to. And so there is a piece of me that's like, hey, listen, you've got to get together because the next team that might come in town is not going to be.

And I thought Jeff Hathley did a great job this year. But it's not going to be if it's the Vikings. You know, and each of those teams that are going to play tonight pose individual challenges for the Rams, or for the Eagles. Yeah. The Rams, the passing game. Yeah. You know, now I think you can smash the football on the Rams. I think you can come at that front. Yep.

But I think if you play the Vikings, it's a give and take. You're like, all right, we feel good about the match up with Sam Darnold. But do we feel good about Brian Flores changing the picture consistently? Yeah. on Jalen. I think that's a defense that Jalen will struggle against. I mean, he's done poorly against Todd Bulls defense, blitz heavy, a lot of man confusing pre-snap pictures and things like that.

And it's a similar, you know, structure with B-Flow. I think if it ends up being the Vikings, I think the Eagles are going to need to, like, play great defense. Yeah, it's going to be a defensive game. Yes. Which, you know what, if you want to talk about the strength of his team, I mean, for so many years, the strength of the team has been the offensive line in the run game. But I got to tell you, the defense is right there right now.

That's unbelievable. And I'll say this, Nolan Smith. Dog. I'm so happy to see his kind of, his transition to being a real guy complete. And he completes it. I mean, I think now we can say he's arrived. I don't love him with his hand on the ground. When you motion a tight end over and he's on five technique, he's not like a true defensive end.

But as an overhang player, one thing I've been very compliment. of this year with him has been setting edges. And there was a play early in that game where Elton Jenkins came to kick him out. And he gave him a dead arm. Yeah. I mean, this is the game. This motherfucker. That single-handedly changed the game

because that started the whole old line carousel for the Green Bay. And that I feel like was a big part that kind of probably ruined their game plan. Well, he whoops Zach Tom. Yeah, exactly. Tom is a good player. I was a good player.

If you're an Eagles fan and you like this kid, you really like what you saw yesterday he was all over the field Zach Bonn he's got something new up his sleeve every week he makes plays in a lot of different ways yep he almost I mean he had a chance of getting a pick I think he got tipped a little bit and then came back and

Jordan loved threw him the ball like you know right to him and then we finally get a Quintanamo Bay interception yeah he loved um what Kelsey had one of those hoodies on yesterday Blanketship is a bad bad teammate why because

hey that's hate that's racist Nate, that's racist. Like, yo, don't agree. You obviously agree with Quinyon Mitchell that, hey, if one of us gets the pick, the other person gets pedigreeed in the end zone, and he just did a terrible job. What do you mean? The celebration was the triple H pedigree. So I don't pay, because I was screaming.

I was in the box. They tried to do this celebration, and it just looks like Blanketship kind of like, he wasn't on script with the celebration, so it kind of looked kind of like. He was off script. The timing was messed up. Yeah. So he's a bad teammate. Yeah, a little bit.

You know, a little bit. If you had me out there river dancing after his back, you called me a fucking bad team. But look, but don't agree to it. You don't have to agree to it. You know what I'm saying? Bad teammate. He's a little much.

Reed's one of the guys. When we went down to the family section out of the game, I actually was like, hey, Reed, I'm Chris Long. You know, like, I'm a fan of that guys. I think he's a hell of a player. I think he's a hell of a leader, too. You can tell he's a big piece of what they do. And you know what's so nice about that?

You can tell he doesn't say as much. I've heard him talk before games and that sort of thing. And I think guys respect him when he talks. But you've got CJ Gardner Johnson right next to him who's like yin and yang, like personality-wise, you can tell. And you need both personalities. Can I interject here for a moment? Everyone in the chat is saying that was actually Cooper to G.

And then they're calling you a racist Nate. Wow. Mixing up the white guys. Oh, let me get that egg off your face. Oh, how the tables have turned. What, you think we all look the same, bro? I beg your pardon. I beg your pardon?

Sorry. That's hate. Hey, bro, that's good. The Eagles fans got your ass. But, but, you know, just an ugly-ass game. Ugly ass game. And to Bo's point, like, you know, you'll take them all. But I do think there are things you have to work.

That's not going to be good enough. Now, I think it was good enough to win yesterday, and they probably knew that, especially with his script, was carrying out. And I would say this, Josh Jacobs, I got a lot of respect for that dude. Yeah. You know, he gets lost in the shuffle a lot. People talking about Derek Henry's movement to Baltimore and Saquan to Philly. That guy going to Green Bay totally gave them a different dimension this year. And, you know, it's one of the most disappointing moments of game.

I don't know why he's not out there on third and three when they give them. the ball to the backup running back and he gets stuff great play by jalen carter that sets up the malik heath uh sideline play which hey listen that's part of the danger of playing that way for the eagles is if you end up with him converting there he's driving with a chance to make it a one field goal game late in the game what happened somebody hit you said i'm a concussion protocol Oh. That's fucking, he's going to be there for a month like,

that was funny. That's pretty funny. That was funny. That is so damn funny. Hey, I do want to say one thing about the Packers. I was disappointed in offensively is during the course of the season, like Jordan Love got hurt.

I feel like the Packers, like we talked about a bunch. They did such a good job of game planning around that. Yeah. And that's one thing that I was disappointed with them on Sunday is, Like, you know, obviously, like you lose Christian Watson. You don't have that deep ball threat. And they're kind of digging and dunking it down the field. I think they actually did a really good job of like sustaining drives,

offensively, just kind of moving the chains, like running their offense without those deep threats. But you just would have liked to see them adjust to that a little better. And I was kind of, I was pregame. I thought that they would have. He's always had trouble. I feel like he has trouble seeing the intermediate level. It's not like, you know, every quarterback's different. They all see things differently.

And I feel like, hey, they love the shots. I think they love the play action stuff where you can read left to right. And you got a tight end on a crosser, that type of thing. But, you know, as the down goes on, I don't feel like he loves fitting in tight windows in the middle of the field. And then you can't deny that Christian Watson being down the, you know, the difference between, hey, Malik Heath's getting some of these targets. He's not on the field, you know, like. And you can stretch the field. a little bit better. And I thought one of the reasons that Darius Slay play was so huge is,

you know, you put the fire out on the shots. Yeah, exactly. With that play. And you just take away his confidence in it. Yeah, you take the way. After that. You take the football away. I wish the Packers would have tried to throw Malik Willis in there and just try to switch things up a a little bit. I just feel like they're... I don't hate you saying that. Listen, listen. I mean, like, I think about... Love is playing poorly. Yeah, but you're not going to do that in a playoff game. I understand. I understand. I know that. I don't think it's the worst thing to say that. I think there'll be some people in chat, they'll say he's in concussion protocol. But I'm actually like, but look, I just feel like for Malik Willis, it's like, it's just a little

switch up and it's something that the Eagles probably weren't preparing for, seeing his arm, that motion, different passes, but more importantly, the Y receiver core for Green Bay is hurt and the guys that are in are probably guys that are practicing with Malik Willis all the time. They're guys that are not in the starting lineup. So when you're in practice and timing and things like that, the guys that are in, they're probably used to getting passes from, not from Jordan Love.

So it's just, obviously it's like, you're thinking back and anything could have happened in. It sounds crazy. You don't put it back up. Or at least some packages for them in some situations. And maybe we see that down a lot. And we all know, too,

that Jordan Love wasn't 100% healthy. Like, we seen them last game and like what happened. So I just, I just feel like when you're trying to win a game by any means, it's just like, why not try it? Yeah. But, yeah. No, I mean, hey, listen, really physical team. We always talk about the life preserver that they have when things get sketchy.

They've got those guys up front. I can pull out numerous, you know, examples of that front beating up on those guys. Yeah. That's actually by game ball, man. Game ball of them. We haven't done any mentions yet, but it was so fun for us, Chris. We got to chop it up with lane after the game. game got to go on the field Chris match with his boys see Jordan Malada talk to jergy a little bit

Kels was there so it's like it's just fun and like dude that fucking O-line is so good but they're all also like such good dudes like it's the best O-line in the NFL saw Stout before the game saw Stout before the game and stout is just like as intense as he is and as dialed as he is on game day for him to come up to us and kind of give us some love was really cool so my game ball this weekend is the eagles o'line like I just think they're incredible mackay back then played really well too like I love Lanham Dicker. And we didn't even mention Dallas Godder being back like Yeah, he was a fucking dog.

Yeah. That's a 60, that's a 60 foot public transportation ride. Valentine? Yeah. Yeah. That's bad. Little brother to him. Yeah.

It's like the hollow man of this game for me is like, I know Jordan played really badly, but you know, if you think about going for a ride like that, when you go for a three yard ride in the NFL, it feels like you're in slow motion. Yeah. It feels like the whole country's watching you. 20. There's games where I'm like, what? He went 20.

No, I know. That had to feel like an eternity. And the minute Goddard goes in the end zone, the roof comes off the place, in my head at least, I'd be like, man, like, I'm getting cooked right now. I'm getting cooked. Adrian Bronner. Barbecued. He's still going to be on that ride.

Xavier McKinney came up. Yeah. You see that McKinney talking to him on the sideline? What are you doing? Like, what was going on? Yeah. I feel bad for McKinney. He played really well this year.

Yeah. And he just keeps losing the Eagles. He calmly asked him what he was doing and then walked away and slammed his helmet on the bench. What are you doing? Like what happened? Yeah. Because it's one of those things. It's like, hey, playing nose guard, playing in a zero.

Like, there's going to be times guys might be taking you on a ride. But you have to know when to take your losses and just fall. Make a pile. Be a speed bump. Trip them up. Do anything. Yeah. Like do anything you can. What did it, what do the Packers do this off season? You know, I think for them, they need a lot of, they need a lot of things. Because Jair Alexander sounds like he might not be back. Right. You're going to need a corner. You're going to need, I love Edron Cooper. I think you're going to need another pass rush. Yeah. Yeah. You know, offensively, you're close. You really are. I think it's the development of the quarterback. Yeah. And I think when you look at that division now, you're, you know, offensively, you're close. You really are. I think it's the development of the quarterback. Yeah. And I think when you look at that division now, you You've got a defensive coordinator who did a nice job this year, totally turned that unit around.

And ultimately, when you look around, you've got uncertainty in Chicago. You have quarterback uncertainty a little bit in Minnesota because, you know, hey, they've got multiple options, but you don't know who it's going to be. And in Detroit, you might lose both the coordinators. So all is not lost in Green Bay. I mean, like, they're on the right track. If you'd have told a Packers fan when Rogers left, You don't tell the Packers fan what it looks like. You tell them how many games you're going to the next couple of years.

You're going to the playoffs. You're going to be, you know, X, Y, Z. I think that Packers fan would be okay with that. Yeah. With the departure. I think you said it, though. Like, I like Jordan Love a lot. I think he's a really good player and I've been high on him.

Disappointed with his game on Sunday. Obviously, we're, like, I'm an Eagles fan, especially I'm there at the game, wearing my fucking Super Bowl ring. But, like, looking forward, I just, I feel like there's, Jordan Love is like, when he's a game? he going to take that step it's like kind of people talk about that with justin herbert a lot like he loses you know spectacular fashion throws those interceptions it's like it's kind of the same thing with jordan love like he's a very talented player uh you know he's going to be the you know the guy for

the organization here going forward and it's like you just want him to take that next step and i i don't know i feel like there's a comparison to be made between justin herbert they had every opportunity to beat detroit or beat san francisco last year on the road yeah um and you know if If he's healthy this year, I think, you know, that's even closer of a game. I'm not going to say this guy's falling for him. I'm not, I don't, if I'm a Packers fan, I don't say, hey. I don't think it's falling. I'm just ready for him to kind of elevate his game.

No question. But you know how many of these great quarterbacks you're waiting for them to put their first big postseason run together? And we're going to talk about one that we all think is very talented in L.A. And, you know, obviously circumstance a little bit different, but that was terrible. you know and you've got guys who are multiple time MVP's probably another MVP this year with Lamar if I'm reading the league we'll see how the game goes next week no but I really do think when do the votes get cast for that that's a good question because the guys that vote on the AP vote on MVP and the all pro team yeah all pro team sorry not associated press the all pro team

and Lamar was first team and Josh was second so but my point is a guy might be a multiple time MVP guy, but he hasn't had his great playoff run yet. So, you know, the playoffs are a different ballgame. And, you know, it's not good enough to just be in the dance. But if you're some of these teams, just being in the dance feels good, right? I think Green Bay. Yeah, Broncos. Yeah, Broncos.

I think Broncos fans are probably walking out of yesterday, like, hey, we're fine. It's a moral victory. Pretty good. Two more appearances next year, one appearance where he doesn't play well or something like that. We start talking about this sort of stuff. So the MVP's voted at the end of this regular season before the playoffs. So it's already. I think it's going to be Lamar.

I mean, listen, I personally think Josh is the best quarterback on the planet right now. I think he just edges Lamar out. But Lamar's numbers. You can't argue. Everything's not numbers. Yeah. And part of it for me, I'll admit, is the postseason. That's part of it for me.

You know, that's why I generally trust Josh. And I think, like, yesterday was a continuation of that. we'll talk about that game in a minute but they lean on the run game a lot but he made the plays he had to make both those quarterbacks have a lot of narratives riding on their their runs here and this week's gonna be a monster game you Josh and Lamar huge and again I want to make myself perfectly clear if Lamar wins the MVP which I think he will you ain't going to hear an argument for me yeah it's fair I agree I agree he's a fucking beast dude he's unbelievable for the packers real fast what they should do this off season is it would it be beneficial for them to go after a wider, like a number one, a true number one wide receiver.

Listen, I've been waiting for Dobbs to become that guy and he showed flashes, but I think eventually you're going to need a guy outside. He's like a diff. He thinks is about to make so much honey. Tyreeks. There's, there's so many plays. No, I like T. Higgins to L.A. You said Tyreek. Now, if you remember last year, he's not going to fucking Green Bay. No, he can't play in the cold. He played in Kansas City. Yeah. That is true. Like, can you picture I can't picture Tyreek in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I just can't do it. The case for Tyreek in Green Bay is this.

They've already got a guy they run a ton of cheat motion with. You get two of those motherfuckers running across the field. And then you talk about the run game that comes off it and the deep shots. You know, I understand that when you tell a Dolphins fan, they couldn't get them deep ball. They throw a bunch of numbers at you. who numbers let's watch the film and watch all the the the the the plays that are left on the field and plays that he has to go out of his way to make spectacular catches because ball's underthrown and that sort of thing Jordan loves got a big league arm okay so you know when you

talk about Tyreek once you get over the quitting on your team thing which I contended the other day that like who gives a fuck because ultimately a market's not going to give a fuck mark mark I give a fuck too yeah but like what are we what are we are we are we are we talking about his viability going forward people are talking about like he's oh great he is a great player who wants to have the everybody everybody everybody and you know how fast every single teammate he's going to get over that on his new team the moment he catches a deep ball and houses it they're like all right we're good that's the point great teammate right here that's the point yeah what i personally ever have done that no was i ever in a position to have done that based on my talent fuck no no and that's

the whole thing if you do what you're able to do as a player like you know you know know, and I just don't think Tyreek is going to end up in Green Bay. I just don't, I think that's a great thing. I think you never know, but the whole conversation is do the green Bay needs number one like probably. Like coming into the season, it was like, man, like all these good receivers, who is the number one in Green Bay? But it feels like now getting through the season, it's like, do you have one? It's a spin zone thing where in the beginning you spin it to being like, well, we don't have a number one. That's great. But you also don't have a truly special quarterback. Right. And I think Jordan's really good. Yeah.

Otherwise, you don't pay him that money. But Josh Allen. He's been up and down. Who's their number one? They don't need one right now. Joe Brady. Yeah. Josh Allen.

Yeah. You know, and be the same thing with Lamar. It's like, you know, Zay's out in that game. Well, okay, we'll get the ball to the tight end. We'll get the ball to Bateman. And I'll run the ball 10 times in the first half. And we'll soften you up and bludging you death with Derek Henry. Right.

You know, in an offense like Green Bay's, they got a great run. Godwin. I mean, I'm trying to think of some of the free agent wide receivers. Chris Godwin could be a great fit. But again, he's not a number one at this stage. And he's never really been a number one. I mean, he's a one B, but yeah. I just love.

You already got a guy in the slot who to me is a number one, but he's a slot guy. And Chris is coming off an injury. You know? Yeah. So, I don't know. Packers need a lot. Before we go on two. This team's more need more than you think at the end of the season when you're like,

damn, okay, there are some holes you got to fill. Yeah. Before moving, I have a worse seat. And the worst seat is in the Green Bay Packers training room. Nothing worse than getting hurt in the last game of the season. And the season's over. And now you might have to stay in Green Bay for an extra five, seven days to do treatment. At least.

Five, seven days. You might be there a couple months if you're young. That's what I'm saying. It's just worst seat. it sucks that you lost and for guys whether you're planning on it or not like hey this might be our last day i get to go on vacation i get to hang out for my family and it's just like last game you lose and you're hurt and you have to be at treatment the next day or in two days at 8 a.m. i mean i saw jaden read in the hallway yeah after the game and he was nice enough to come on

the show earlier so i said what's up to him and he was you know his shoulder was fucked up i mean I don't know what the severity of the injury is, but like that guy's got rehab ahead of him, maybe. Yep. And, uh, you know, so anyways. I got one, uh, mention as well before we move on. Chris, this is best seat. And that's Bo and Chris on the sideline before the game, or on the field before the game.

Chris talked about it. Got to catch up with so many old teammates, Fletcher Cox, Lane, Landon, Kells. I saw Vinnie Curry, Benny Logan. Todd Harriman's. Todd Harriman's unbelievable dude. So it's just so fun to go back. Like, I think, you know, in my retirement. era I miss football the most on like days like yesterday.

It's pretty fucking nice. And then I just realized it's just like people giving you free food. Yeah. Be in like, hey, guys, you see you go anywhere you want. They let you go anywhere you want in that fucking stadium, dude. That's why you wear the Super Bowl right. They should. The people in the orange, they're all like welcome home.

Bro. I'm like, whoa, man. Yeah. As they should. Because they know, they know what you guys look like and they know that you played on the team. And that's realistically like, that's how it should be. like if you win a Super Bowl for a... It was a cool moment.

You're making fun because I'm my ring on, but I went to go... I'm fucking busting your balls a little bit. I know, I love it, but I went to go grab my field pass on my pocket, and the dude who was, like, working security goes, that's my picture. He said that. By ring, yeah. Fuck, dude.

Did you all that? Did you meet Gilly? I met Gilly. I did. Gilly was walking the team out. And Dom, Dom's so funny, man. I was like, Dom, I'm looking for, like, bowing them or, like, I was mumbling, but I was like, I'm fucking confused.

I've had, like, five beers, and I don't know. telling you you should go on give a show and Dom was like come with me boo and he just opens the doors and i'm like walk into locker room and like guys are getting around like i'm like i don't want to be here dom no that's where i was waiting for you because i was with kel you were in the locker room i was in the staff locker room and dom sat me down his locker and gave me a fucking canoli i'm not even oh oh fire yes he's like he's like he's like here sit right here he's like i know you're looking for kel's like like here's Kels wait for Chris I know Chris is on his way I was like all right here eat this it's really good as a fucking canola did he pull it out like his pocket

I was like there's a stack of canoys on top of his locker was like a video game guy he'd have like 30 canoles and they like you got to go find canoli so reload and shit yeah it was unbelievable he had like a certain amount of field passes a dom video game is actually honestly a very good idea yeah I would do well in Philly yeah it was fucking you got to just go find like Bo Allen in the K-Lon. There's just empty canoli, like rappers all around me, whatever. I think the whole thing is canoli.

Since we haven't talked about it yet. Anti-Bevil Conway. Sequan Barkley being classy. What? Oh. You had a prop. Who didn't have people in my suite had a props? Who doesn't bet

Sequan Barkley, any time touchdowns, if you watch the Eagles and you watch games. and or bet Sequin Barkley over 150 plus rushing and or receiving yards. And it all was going to hit on that one play. And he decided to slide. Yeah, because we don't want to put our defense back out there with 40 seconds ago. That's how people get hurt.

I get it. You know what I'm saying? I get it. I know, but your family doesn't get it. I get it. The family is like, yo. The anti-bevil Conway is in that slide. That's a team guy, man.

all that on the line. But he didn't even have the scores just for the overtotals. Like, ugh. I saw an anti-bubble county. Like, go down at the one. Yeah. I don't know if I should bring this up.

There was an Eagles fan that went viral for going over the line yesterday. Did you see this? Yeah. He was way over the line. He was an asshole to a woman in Green Bay gear. Worked in hospitality. Like, listen, I'm not Mr. Eagle.

I can't come in here and start telling fans how to be. But like, come on, you know where the line is. Yeah. Like, let's treat people with some level of respect. you know, kick their fucking ass on the field, you know? We got that covered. Hey, last thing on this game, how big a problem is the loss of Nicopi Dean going for? It's a big problem.

Well, Chris talked about Norman Smith earlier and how he's kind of coming on. It's really fun to see young players take that jump. So for him to have a good game against talented dude and Tom for the Packers on line, I think he had like six tackles. I saw him in the NFL. He had eight tackles. Two sacks. Yeah.

Get that confidence in the playoffs against a good offensive linemen. and then, you know, hopefully it just kind of spurts you to some more playing time with that injury. And I think I'm hoping that he can kind of slide right in. Yeah, but, you know, they're going to need, they're going to need like, I'm trying to think of who the backup is. Warren Berks to step up, you know, which is he's got some experience. He's played in San Francisco. The Packers ran right after him. And then there was that completion of the back.

They came right after him. As soon as Buddy left the game, Nikobe Dean. I think Nikobe's been so good on early downs. Like, listen, when you're at home and you, play like Minnesota you want Sam Donald in third and very long like you feel like you can win those situations and for me like losing

the Kobe it's a good point bringing him up I almost forgot that's the type of thing that can hurt you in the NFL today good linebackers we kind of went through a deal where we were like oh linebackers not very valuable and that sort of thing like it is I mean especially against the offenses

these days and against like a Kevin O'Connell offense if that's who they play that's a big deal. So, you know, he's made so many plays knifing in and creating second and long, creating negatives. Good on him having a great year, but that's a tough time to get hurt. Yeah, that sucks.

He's such a good dude that, like, I saw him put a message out and, like, talk about his injury briefly. Like, yeah, it sucks, but like, hey, we got unfinished business. Yeah. I mean, I love that. No question. All right. So next game, obviously, the Eagles sitting there Sunday night waiting to see who they'll play. if the bucks win that game they play the bucks right yep and then now because the commanders won the game

the commanders are going to go to detroit and play the lions uh and then you know eagles fans are waiting and watching night eagles fans in the chat let us know who you'd rather play and why if you got a good point we might shout you out um listen i thought sunday night it was like we've had all these kind of bad games um you know ugly uncompetitive sloppy uh and this game was sloply uh and this game was Loppy mostly on the buck side, but the one thing you noticed right off the bat was Sunday night, these guys have been waiting around all weekend to play. And the speed was like, it just kicked up another notch. And obviously having Winfield back on the field. But I thought I was so impressed with the way the buck's front was playing at different points in the game, as quick as they were getting

off the ball. Like, look on the other side of the ball. The first possession, Bobby Wagner, fucking cave in Bucky Irving on an ad and just like it was apparent to me the speed was was faster not every playoff game feels that way sometimes you come out

and guys are tight some games you come out and you feel like man it just kicked up another notch and I think it's all the more impressive think about that rookie quarterback Jaden Daniels being able to win one of those but I really do want to say this

the bucks mistakes brutal were awful and you know I want to give the commanders a lot of credit we have been very complimentary of the commanders and jaden this year this breakdown is not going to be all about the commanders because there's things are about the bucks because there's things as the commies did really well

magic Johnson but like look at this early on McMillan drops the ball on on second and seven forces third and seven they got a kick okay after that nine minutes touchdown drive in the first half the the bucks get the ball back and they go yeah 17 plays nine minutes the bucks get the ball back they commit two straight penalties they punt okay they're off the field with the diabi sack it's negated by a macollum hold um they have bad clock management before the half

they're lucky to get six there um a ball though from baker and then obviously it all culminates in dropping the jet sweep and uh the barton fucking up the snap cow with the game on the line and honestly I would have gone. You know, the other team, especially... I don't think after that, though. Like... Okay, let me say why. Let me say why.

Because at that point, what's the score? Well, 2017 or something? What was it? At that point... No, it was... Wasn't it? Right off the... Somebody gave me the score.

I think it was 2017. Yeah, it was 2017. So at that... Yeah, because you tied it. Yeah. So at that point, it's 20 to 17. You're down a field goal. And so what you're doing is

and tie the game with five minutes to... go the way the commanders have possessed the football you and i both know being on defense how much different like you can dictate the tone of the next possession even if you don't get it on fourth and two or three there you miss it then they have to slow the game down you have guys like vita levante you can stop the run call timeouts get the ball back yes i get what you mean you're going to make them work for everything and it's going to be one two three new set of downs you can get stops that way Four minute. But in my opinion, a defense, too, they know this. When you're down a, when you're tied, let's say, 2020. And, and, you know, you're defending basically a 40 to 50 yard area of the field. Like, in five minutes, you can see how that movie ends. Especially with a depleted defensive backfield. Like, they had Jamel Dean get injured. No question. Yeah. So to me, I'd rather have them in four minute mode. And, and, and then we get the ball back. And the bucks can work quick. You know, you saw him at.

Sometimes the Bucks, it feels like they, late in the season, they play with their food and a lot of games. They start slow in Dallas. Start slow in Dallas. Start slowing against New Orleans. And on the other side of it, you got the commanders who have now won on the last second field goal against the Giants. They beat New Orleans on the road at the last possible second, making a goal line stand on a two-point conversion. You know, the Hail Mary. You know, so many close games. Atlanta.

I'm so impressed by them in crunch time, not just winning these close games, but more of the reason I might have gone in some of these situations, they are going. Yeah. They're 90% on fourth down. Yeah. You know, they're like 87% on fourth down. Well, actually, the game ends on a conversion. Not on fourth down, but you get a touchdown on a fourth down. You get Ertz on a fourth and five.

Yeah. And you see how frustrating. They're three or five on fourth down. Yeah. And they didn't back off after missing that first one. And it's frustrating because you're playing Jayon Daniels. He is the reason you're 80. 87% on conversion.

I mean, you're in Pistol, and they're running a quarterback keep, which is a brilliant play call on third and two there, can't see as well as he's played in this game. And he was fantastic at times. And so was Diabi. He's just a one step short. He was just one step short. And due to the call and the formation,

David is out leverage on the snap. Yeah. And so, you know, like, and for instance, on fourth and five, they're pulling him off out of the hole really to spy so he's up on the line trying to spy and so the middle of the field's open yeah so jaden daniels um gives you a very unique ability to to convert in these short-yard situations and for that reason if on the if on the no you want me over with that i i just saying i understand why when you have such a shit show cluster fuck of a play like that and you know in such a critical moment it just does not

give you confidence as a play caller to go forward on fourth and whatever it was going to be six. You know, I think Bucky led up losing three or four yards that play. And so that's why it's like, okay, let's cut our losses. Let's try to, let's kick this. Let's tie it up and let's try to play good defense and make this rookie, you know, drive all the way down the field, which, true his credit, he did. But, I mean, you said it, Chris, like, to me, this game all came down to critical moments. Like, you talk about football.

It's a game of inches, right? The comedies ended up with the ball in the final seconds of the game, and that's why they won. but in critical moments, the Bucks just fucked it up. You said the fumble with Jalen McMillan. Obviously, my hollman, my hall man mentioned is Graham Barton. As a rookie center, it's just, that's such a... He's had a good year. He's had a great year, and I think he's a really good player.

I think he's going to be a linchpin of the Bucs offensive line for, you know, many years coming forward. But I think that is one that he's going to lose sleepover. And it's rightfully so. But I want to give Cliff King. Kingsbury some love. Yes. He has gotten a lot of criticism late in the season for play calling. I really,

really liked the way that the combies attacked the Bucs defense. I played for Todd Bulls. I played for the Bucks. So I was rooting for the Bucks. I got a lot of teammates that I played with that are on that team. I live in Tampa. But I came out and I watched like the way that they used the perimeter of the field early in the game,

they came out in tempo. I love that. The tempo thing was huge. I love that. They had long drives. Yeah. that were tempo. To have a rookie quarterback run tempo that effectively is really impressive to me.

So like shit that they did that I liked, obviously the run game with the quarterback, it's great. Yeah. It reminded me of Lamar a little bit. It's really good. But then all the, all the, five times. Fucking hate calls. All the perimeter run game, or sorry, the screen games to wide receivers and running backs out of the backfield. like the quick games and the flats and stuff like that when you're in tempo i think is great especially

against todd's defense it's a lot of man there that defense i promise you i know this for fact i got paid to do it super committed to stopping the run yeah they load up the box play a lot of man a lot of exotic blitzes so it's a great way to get the ball in the perimeter in a run you know even though it's a pass i was like i was really impressed with that i thought cliff did really well got uh terry scary terry going really early in that game the shot which i love yes we just talking about Like there's no defense for a deep ball. Was that fourth down? I think it was third down.

That was third and eight. That was a great ball, man. It's a great ball and what it tells you is like, oh, the shots are there. Like we have to defend these. And he won inside on that and covered too. He had a safety help. Yeah. The ball is perfect.

Yeah. There's not a lot of defense for great ball like that. And you praising Cliff is exactly right for a guy that's taking a bunch of shit. I thought the offensive line coach, whoever's coached an offensive line for the commanders did a great job. and blitz pick up and then also they just had a good plan and you mentioned some of the ways

they got the ball on the perimeter the RPO's the tempo you know when when Cleveland's or not what the fuck is Cleveland doing in this point out when when fucking Tampa is mugging up and you know there's a bunch of guys on the line of scrimmage and they talked about this

in the broadcast it's a lot harder to bail out and find your zone and you got a spy guy on on the quarterback it lightens up the numbers outside you know Bobby Johnson so the airline coach OG Bobby Johnson

So shout out to them And you know like I don't know where the commanders are going It's going to be hard for them to go to Detroit and make noise Like I'll be shocked Right It was like 55 Yeah I would love it though

It'd be incredible It'd be incredible if they can score on Detroit And keep this thing close to be a great game I think they should be able to score They would love that right Dayton Daniel He uses the legs Yeah

I could rush for over 100 I don't know I'm trying to think of the ways they give them trouble You know, what's going on with, was it Terry on Arnold? He had an injury last week, you know. And they like to man people up. You know, it's hard to man, it's hard to man up against Jaden Daniels. I mean, because he can hurt you late in the down that way.

Yeah. And who's your spy? Those key plays in that game. Is it Jack Camel. Right. You know? Maybe Anzolone. Well, you don't want to take Anzolone out of cover.

He's a good coverage guy. Right. So it's just nails, man. like I looked at like third down performance across the entire season this is QBs with at least 100 dropbacks only five had a pass rating above 100 goff Lamar borough mohomes and jaden you have a QB playing like that if you've been doubting this guy you've got to come around right just come come to the light it's okay even if you're wearing a green hat like me just come towards the light this guy's really good and it might be uncomfortable over the next decade in the in division at times

because of him. Very. You know, but one thing I saw in the chat was somebody was talking about, hey, like the Eagles would love to play the Vikings because they're just gonna run the ball all over them. I don't know where the narrative that they can't stop the run comes from.

Like, I don't think they're the stoutest team in the league, but they're in the top third of league for sure when I think about run defenses. Yeah. So listen, I think the big problem for Washington would be like playing defense. Yes. You know, it's like, who's your matchup

Ramon Ross St. Brown. You know, and can you set an edge? Can you set an edge? Can you hold up in the run game against Jared Gough? And Jared Goss is a guy who's kind of seen it all now. And, you know, if they can get the play action going, there's not going to be a lot that you're going to fool him on. It's not going to be a lot that you're going to fool Ben Johnson on.

But luckily, you do have Dan Quinn as your head coach. And Dan Quinn has, he's got some playoff mileage on him. And so, you know, playoffs are different. You never know. But yeah, congrats to the commanders and to commanders fans. I mean, like, listen, I know Eagles fans don't want to hear this, and there's a lot of them, but I got a lot of friends who are long-suffering commanders fans, and they feel like they have hope, you know.

They do have hope. And it's the power of good ownership and nailing a quarterback. I mean, all of a sudden, you've got this owner who seems to be on the right track with everything they're doing. They bring in free agents this year. And magic grunt. offense and defense that really fit, right? Everything's very intentional.

And we looked at a lot of guys going to Washington before they drafted Jaden Daniels. You're like, hey, that bet's getting paid, but that vet's not going to win. So a guy like Frankie Louvre's got to feel amazing about being in Washington, having a career year. And, you know, Bobby Wagner reuniting with Dan Quinn, Zach Ertz, a whole bunch of guys.

They're going to need more out of the run game, though, next week, no matter what. And I think they're going to need Echler to step up big. The Robinson train is kind of slowed down. Right. So anyways. I want to say this before we move on. Say it, bro.

Don't want to step on the win, but Baker running over Bobby Williams. That was incredible. Was absolutely incredible. That was incredible. I love Baker. He needs to frame. He needs an NFT of that. Oh my goodness, because before that collision happened, I did not expect that result at all.

Like, at all. And that was a clean truck by a quarterback. Binked them. Binked them hard. That's Bobby Wagner. Bobby Wagner. And thank God for Bobby. He was able to get a bumble recovery.

Is he 38? No, he ain't 38. He's like, got to be 33. I bet you he's 36 or 37. 34. Oh, fuck. Yeah, dude.

Jumping early on though. Yeah, I remember when he came to Lee. Yeah, he was. It's like, they're just, it's a conveyor belt of great defensive players in Seattle. They just keep popping up.

I think there's a physical rudder, man. Yeah, dude. The play on, there have been some, There's been some hitting in the playoffs. But if you're talking about the bucks, like coming in the off season, I think we've got to talk about Todd Bowles a little bit, man. I'm not saying, I don't like saying, hey, fire a guy or whatever.

And I also have given him a lot of credit over the last couple of years and this organization. But I want to say this. He's got like just above 500 record. You go ahead. Don't listen. No, but say you're not listening. You're just nodding. You're doing this.

So say something. What is it? You make your case first. Make your case first. Why should we not be talking about this? Just go. No, you go. I think the bucks.

Because I feel like they're still on like, they're still on a good trajectory. I feel like. Are they? I feel like the bucks kind of like maxed out. They had injuries like early, but as a team, did you, do you see them? I don't really see how. Dude, did you see all this shit? Now I understand that Liam Cohen coaches the office.

I would be worried about Liam leaving. That would be my biggest. If Liam leaves and they have to replace them again, sure. And Liam hasn't accepted a bunch of interviews, right? And hadn't been asked to do a bunch of interviews. Like Jacksonville's won. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have two or three. What I was going to say about this is Nate, it's the worst division in football.

He's got just a- Is it? The AFC South is fucking god-offal. Over his tenure over the last couple years? Yeah, but I live in Tampa. So my point is this. And I'm not saying fire the guy, but I'm saying you got to put him under the magnifying glass a little bit because of the way this team played down the stretch.

Turn to see warm a little bit. This is stuff that like, they were undisciplined down the stretch. There were games, they were not ready to play. Yeah. That Dallas game, they were not ready to play.

In New Orleans game, they were not ready to play. They, they let Washington do exactly what Washington wanted to do. I know what Washington wanted to do. Washington wanted to possess the football and go on long drives and tire those guys out. 35 minutes of possession.

And they did it. That shouldn't be a team that could out physical you, you know, and I think on top of that, when you consider the fact that the record is just above 500 in the worst division in football and the fact they could lose their offensive coordinator. I just think eventually a conversation has to be had about the future. And maybe it's one more year, but they got to go like this. I don't think they'll do anything this offseason,

especially with Liam leaving. I think, I mean, yeah. I just what Nate said, they had a lot of injuries that were tough, new offensive coordinator. I think a lot of people weren't expecting Baker to play as well as he did. But this is when you got to play good at the end. of the season. And the mistakes, to your point, like the mistakes that they made in this game, that's what cost them the game. Yeah. Yeah. That's really. And that to me, if they don't make mistakes and they lose that game, you say, oh, yeah, but, but I don't think this team played to their potential. There's a lot of people that think, like, Tampa's not that good. We had these arguments all the time this year. Listen, they were at kind of full, not full strength, but they were, they were better.

Hey, they had a home playoff game. For all the injuries that you had all season, you got a home playoff game against a rookie quarterback, although that guy's special. And a team, and a team, that was supposed to win six and a half games, okay? Or seven, six, whatever. My point is this, I just wanted to see better from this team. You know, the Bucks, down Chris Godwin, whatever it is, like you can name injuries. They got their quarterback of their defense back in Antoine Winfield.

You lose guys like Carlton Davis. That really hurts in free agency. Like I think one of the things they're going to have to do next year, whether Todd's the guy, which probably going to be the guy or not. I agree they need a rusher, but they also need a one linebacker at least. It might be two. I don't know what Levante, David. Levante's going to play forever.

Okay, he'll play forever. That's great. And he still looks awesome. He looked great. You need guys in the secondary corners. Offensively, I feel like I like the offensive line. Yeah. I love Bucking Irving.

Yes. Yeah. The offensive line is, this is probably the best that they've played, especially from a run game perspective in the last five years. They need to resign Gettike. Gettike's been playing really well. Last year he's been playing well. Graham Barton, horrible mistake in this game yesterday.

Good rookie season now. Cody Mock, I'm not sold on, frankly. So I just, I think you got to attack the corner position. Or them. They need a rusher back. They need a rusher, but I do like Diabia, Vea, and Kansy. I really like those guys. The other guys are good depth pieces.

Yeah. But you probably, do your point, you need a home run hitter. Anthony Nelson, the free agent, he's, he's not, I mean, he's a versatile, consistent, versatile player. like he's good across, you know, but he's not a rusher. Yeah. So anyways, they got some things whether his personnel or talking about the program at large. I mean, like, I just feel like this team was not good enough to be so sloppy.

You know what I mean? They just were so sloppy down the stretch. And in critical, critical. Critical spots, dude. They fumbled this game away. Yes. They just fumbled the bag. Yeah.

But Baker has had issues with turnovers this year. No, I get it. It's been overshadowed by. A lot of the exciting plays that he's made and, you know, kind of his just his will, his hutsba, you know, but he's turned the ball over a lot. I think he's fumbled the most at any quarterback in the NFL. I'd be interested to hear what Bucks fans think. Are you just tired of it or you just want to keep running it back? I've defended the guy and I would be a few years ago.

You don't know how bad it was in Tampa for so long, you know? Yeah. This is ever since, you know, 2020, I feel like Bucks fans are kind of playing with house money a little bit. Yeah, no, yeah. And the temperature is not so hot. I'd be curious because that is a good point. I want to know. But I think people in Tampa are the morale about the team.

Like, you know, right now compared to 2018 when our fucking staff got fired half the year is night and day. Listen, Tom Brady's not walking through the door every year. Correct. So you're kind of living. That bought you some time. It really did buy the program a lot of time. And to my, all I want to see is if he's back next year, I don't want to see this team play so fucking sloppy. You know, and ultimately that falls on the head coach, too.

I mean, it's not just the offense, not just the O.C. Being prepared to play in the biggest moments of the season, ultimately, they're talking about trading the guy in Pittsburgh. He hasn't had a losing season in forever. You know, if he's not safe, then why is Todd Bowles safe? Right. And maybe Tomlin is safe, and it's just chatter. Chatter.

Maybe it is. Chat. Maybe it is. If he was released, he would have a job before his officer's back. Probably so. And I think Tom Bowler. would get another job if Todd wasn't the guy in Tampa at some point. But sometimes I think there's just a staleness that kind of needs to get.

See, that's a good point that you make. That's what I worry about a little bit in New England with Rabel. Maybe this is a hot, hot take. Hot, hot, hot, but it's, you get a, and this has not really a ton to do with what we're talking about, changing the topic a little bit, but I was thinking about this. I was talking about with Kelse last night. You get a sense, I want to know what Aiden thinks about this. you get a sense that the uh the patriots are kind of re trying to recapture the patriot way yeah i

kind of get and they have a lot to be excited about with with their young quarterback and blah blah blah they're they're growing of rabble which is it just seems like a match made in heaven i'm just worried that they're going to try to you know recreate something that you can't recreate without tom brady and bill bellichick and it's going to haunt them for the next five years because they're trying to i'm with you you know what i'll be there in a minute we'll be there in a minute i do but i just want to say this last thing another reason that may And maybe the status quo is okay for you guys. But look at Atlanta.

They're going to do this. That quarterback's really good. Yeah, well, that's what Carolina is doing this, at least. The commies have done this. And Tampa's just kind of here. If this is the ceiling and this is the midline, they're just kind of here. But Atlanta's doing this. And Carolina's down here and they're doing this.

So if you're just going to keep doing this, what are we doing? And that's my only thing is like, you know, you got all these positions you could improve upon but if you're going to be sloppy you ain't gonna win baker's really good i love baker but he ain't a top five guy that can can help you over like lamar when baltimore's got 12 penalties a game who cares i mean i care but you find a way to fucking win you can't overcome shit like this yeah before we move on i have a mention and it's flying a wall and it's going to zane gonzalez who supposedly has ocd oh and he was fidgeting with his socks and his cleat before that last kick that he was doing and i and i just want to say i'm

i'm i'm just so glad for him for his family for everyone he loves that that ball doink in instead of out yeah it's a very fortuitous doink i'm just so happy yeah just the type of stuff that probably would have happened if they lost that game the way it just would have been bad but you don't need a self-help book to get the to play well you just need to get your hair and and socks right i guess i guess so bro like have you guys ever been like ocd like like like yeah ocd about something that you just before a game or during the game like yo i need this to be like this um like towel pregame for me like ape or like a superstition almost or like like yeah like you see what he was doing like guys or like maybe like a fidget i was a little stitious yeah i had a couple little things

Little things. But not nothing like that I was like that that consume me. And he's been super public with his battle against with OCD since his freshman year. It's probably a different ball game that I'm not, I'm not, you know, well-versed. You're right? White guys, you guys care about your hair under the hair? Oh, I care about my hair. Oh, for sure.

I just do. Our hair is less consistent. But I'm saying like it's going to get fucked up no matter what. We're about the sweat. No, I didn't care about my hair. Dude, I would put my hair in a low, low, pony. No, I actually wore my hair down on game day. and I had a skull cap on

and dude I would brush it out after games and after practice it would be like it would be like dread it dude I kept the skull cap on because when you take your helmet off if you got like white guy hair and you're in your 30s I end up looking like Brock Bowers you know what I'm saying and hey no shade

that bad boy is he is a bad boy but that's how I you know I was afraid of looking like you take your helmet off it's all fucking cold you got you got the little runways showing and shit I don't want to see that. So anyways. Before we meet the next game, BetMGM is presenting this show.

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It's going to be hard. Only one more game left. So if you bet Ladd McConkey... Yeah, you're feeling good. Congrats to you. Yeah, congrats. Hopefully you didn't bet the Chargers. Hopefully you're not Chargers fan.

You probably are a Chargers fan, but that probably would make the loss a little bit better if you know you got some money coming. So it doesn't. So at this point, then we do go back to the charge, and we go back. We said we got the NFC games done. Let's go back to Saturday. Tough start to Wild Car Weekend, man. Yeah, I had a hard time staying engaged in that one.

I started off so erect. Yeah? And just deflated. Is it crazy for me to think? You okay? Just need a blue pill. Let me get one. Oh, my God.

No, I mean, go ahead. Is it crazy what? That Bose hard watching playoffs? I mean, I don't think that's great. No, is it crazy to think like just with everything that's going on, not football related with like L.A. and L.A. teams, like that for a team and organization. Yes, it's not crazy. It's not crazy. To be, to be 100% focused on football. It's not crazy. I'm not going to make that loss about that. But, you know. But is it hard to say like that that wasn't a fact? Yeah, these people are. I'm not going to make that loss about that. But, you know. But is it hard to say like that that wasn't a fact. Yeah, these people are. leaving they got people at home that are who knows what's going on evacuating not evacuating you got kids at home you got can't bring everybody to Houston um you can send them home to wherever you go in the off season but a lot of guys don't have an off season place especially when they live in

l-a they're like i think i'll just stay here just a bunch of different stuff so yeah there's a lot going on in that situation and look i don't think anybody use that excuse not that it would be an excuse it'd be a perfectly viable excuse but i think ultimately what it comes down to is we said this coming in the game. This is going to be really hard to throw the ball in this game for both quarterbacks. And I think with Josh Palmer out, let me say this first. I still think Justin's really talented. There's going to be some people that are waiting for me to get up here and be like, oh, he sucks. He sucks Saturday. That was brutal. That was as bad as it could be. But you know what the difference between four picks and one pick and a loss is? Three picks.

You still lost the fucking playoff game. Absolutely. Okay. What he did to this level this year I think buys him a lot of time in the narrative sweepstakes, depending on who you are. If you think he's trash, you just think he's trash. And I'm not going to argue with you. He's got to prove it.

And next year is going to be a big opportunity for him to prove it with more guys than just Lab McConkey out there because Josh Palmer's down. That's all they got. And they got two really good corners in Houston. And that team in Houston, think of all the quarterbacks

they made look really bad this year. Jared golf threw five picks down there. Yeah. He barely throws intersex. You know, Tua was terrible down there. You had a couple other guys that you mentioned were really bad down in Houston. When you're playing that team down there, you got to be really precise. And I think more than anything, you have to get down in the red zone early and get touchdowns. When you're on the road playing the team that you think you got to put away, you got to put them away. In the playoffs and the regular season, it's one of those things that the minute you kick field goals early in a game like that on the road, it's like, oh, shit. And so to the Justin Herbert narrative conversation, he's another quarterback. that lost this weekend. Yeah. But for people that are going to do the first take thing,

he's either going to be, oh, he's the worst, he's bottom 10, or there's going to be people clinging to this. He's top five thing. He ain't top five. He's not even close to working his way into that conversation. He's got top five talent. Yes.

He's got absolutely top five talent, but there's more to throwing the football than just I throw it far and I throw it straight and I throw a spiral and I'm big and I'm fast. It's between the ears. And this is one that's going to kind of, to haunt him. So next year, if he ends up in this spot again,

you have to consider the pressure he's going to be under. Now, if he wants to be great, he's got to answer the bell in situations like this. But can I say this, Bo? Yes. I just want to say this. Okay? We got to get more than two catches for 14 yards out of the non-white receivers.

Okay? Like, that to me is a damning stat. Okay, that's not a good thing. Who has it? He's like, he's like, I love it. Johnston? No. It's true.

They were selling out. Dissly, Dissly. I was texting the group chat. You don't throw the ball to number one. Bad things happen for the chargers. Like, and you know me, I hate why receivers that are like that. It's just like, bro, you're obviously talented enough that your team keeps putting you out there.

Get on the fucking jugs. And you probably are, but it's just you can't be dropping balls, bro. Like, Velae, too. You also can't be short of the sticks on fourth and two or whatever it is. Like they're just not, they're not explosive. And we knew that. Yeah. And we thought that because he played so well this year, all of a sudden he was going to like grow receivers in the playoffs or he was going to become like this guy that's already a top five guy.

Listen, I thought they might win this game. I thought they'd win it like, I don't know. I thought they had opportunities to win a low scoring game. But again, those opportunities go out the window when you don't get points and then you get, you feel. He was early. Yeah. But he's pressured on 52.8% of his dropbacks. It's not an excuse.

He played like dog shit. He had one big opportunity. He whiffed. He totally whiffed. But that's a lot of crazy shit to have to deal with. Just being real. And C.J. Stroud on the other side, he took a bad snap. Yeah.

Picked it up. Not a bad snap. He missed a snap. And hit Hutchinson for 36 yards. They're dead in the water before that. Yeah. So it was like just that kind of game where it's the one guy that made the play to to catapult his team ended up winning.

It's funny how to happen off schedule too for Stroud. And that's indicative of how it's been all season long. Yes. We haven't talked about this yet, but my still memorial is going to Domeco Ryan's. And it's just, yo, he caught like,

how about everyone just talk about him calling a great game? Yes. And having a defensive. He was unbelievable. And just having his guys in the right place to confuse the quarterback in, and to be in the right spot to have four interceptions. It's not always about,

schemes, but like if you can have your guys ready to play mentally, to play fast and physical like they were playing, man, it looks really good. And like, I'm, I'm a, I'm a Jacksonville fan and I don't want to like, like bring up Shazir. But, bro, he was bringing the wood early in that game. And I just feel like the Houston did pause. Houston as a defense, I think they were rallying, like, around that, and they were really physically involved. Oh, him being back is, is, bro. Him being back, him and Christian Harris being on the field for the first time. It's huge.

All season. It's one of the reasons why I think next week's matchup is really intriguing to me. I mean, like, we know the facts. The first time they played, now, Kansas City is better than they were when they played Houston. Like, they got Hollywood Brown back, and they started using him different. Definitely. Joe Tunis settled in to tackle. I think they're getting, they got the cornerback, Watson. So there's a lot of people getting healthy, and it's the playoffs.

So everything that was true about them not being ready for the moment the first time they played Kansas City is even more true now. But they have a second opportunity to go up there. And they should have a mindset of like, hey, fuck it. Who cares? Like, we could be, what a joke that would be for us to be in the AFC championship. Like, how hilarious would that be? As poorly as we play with a negative 100-something point differential, people writing us off for dead.

I ain't saying they're going to win the game, but there were moments in that first game, one for sure after the tank delinjury where they're midfield and, you know, Schultz drops a ball and they're not ready to take the opportunity to go down and take a lead. They've got to be more ready for their opportunities. And I think defensively with Al Shire back and Harris back,

that helps them a great deal. but they have to be more ready. They look like a team that was not ready and they were playing a team that's been there a million times and that should be even more true in the playoffs, but it's the playoffs, you just never know. Isn't it crazy that the Texans, all they needed was one drive in week 18 to get right?

One drive against the Titans. Yep. They needed one drive. One drive. And what you really need is the, what you really need sometimes the team is the clock to start over. To just say, hey, well, all that shit is irrelevant now. we're seated it's one football game at a time and you know the end of the thing that makes the NFL great is anybody can win any week i mean pretty much um it feels like except the Steelers right but um but i do think they they figured something out from a mindset standpoint and then at the same time got al shahier back that helps a lot well i want to give on defense i want to give a shout out for their uh their run defense man yeah like you kind of knew that we all know who harba is

Okay. We know what they're trying to do with 21 personnel, 22 personnel. We know that they have one offensive weapon in Lamaconki who played gray as a rookie. He had like, what, 200 yards? Like this fucking white Irish dude has the playoff, the most receptions in playoff history or the most yards in playoff history. But like Dobbins and Edwards had 26 yards and 22 yards. What? What is this that had? He had like the most yards in a game as a rookie wide receiver.

Okay. that's wow we got there okay we got there i just want to make sure still better people still better than your ad read i think he's confused with jerry rice uh but no the uh daubbins and edwards had 26 yards 22 yards they could not get the the ball going yeah in the run game and that's that's why i think part of the reason herbert was so uncomfortable man it's like they get their run game going it's a different animal for them they're just moving the change but they can't not and you know and you know but they just haven't when it's mattered yeah agree right and they play physical team and they're supposed to be physical.

They go loose to the... But that's not a team that can turn the ball over. No question. Chargers can't... They're not built like that. But they should be able to run the ball, don't you think? Isn't it kind of an... Like, it's kind of...

And I think part of it's like, hey, nobody's outside, like, beat us running the ball. But that team, like, the offensive lines of... And they were bad in protection. They gave a bunch of pressures and free runners and Will Anderson and Hunter, like... Just eight. But, like, they should be able to run the ball, Bo. They should be, but they didn't. and they lost.

But there's been a lot of moments like that for them this year. I know. But I mean, okay, let's take a macro look at the Chargers really quickly. A lot of new shit going on for them, okay? I like Harbaugh. I think that he's going to be successful there. I think if they get, imagine if they get T. Higgins. If they get one big playmaking wide receiver,

and then they get their, like, they kind of run the offense, and they run the organization, the team, the way that Harbaugh wants to, I think it's good. I think that I think Harbaugh probably, you know, exceeded expectations this year. He certainly did. But in my opinion, maybe Herbert getting hurt like threw off the development of how they wanted to get him the passing game. But the run game to me, especially when you get, when Greg Roman is the coordinator, has to be better. The irony is maybe this speaks to the quarterback that the best thing they did this year was past the football.

And they had nobody outside and they've got guys up front and they've got running backs. one of them was averaging nine yards of carry for like a couple weeks and you've got this guy that's like the architect of the biggest smash mouth football teams in this century and they can't smash the football like it's just not part of who they ended up being this year and charges are ahead of schedule nobody in this room picked him to go to the playoffs i didn't pick him to go to the playoffs and quite frankly um you know if you're saying Justin Herbert is trash or he's done um i i just disagree with you you, but he certainly whiffed at this opportunity, albeit an opportunity that was an uphill battle. That was going to be an uphill climb. Had he won this game, great. And you know, maybe

part of it is like, hey, fuck it, I'm going out on my sword. And that's why he made some of those really bad throws late. Four sounds terrible. Four is just a lot of interceptions. Had it been a two-pick game, we might be saying, hey, all he had was Lab McConkey. But four just makes it sound really bad. And it's one that, like, the game tape isn't frozen in time where everybody's like, remembers the context of the performance. We're going to be talking about four picks. And now on top of it, you've got a blown 27 point lead. So nobody thinks about the context of those. He's going to have to dig himself out of this hole. He's good enough to do it. And I believe eventually he will. But for the people that hate him, I'm not even going to, hey, you got it this year.

Long off season for him. Long off season. Long off season. Four picks, man. But I think he's got it in him. I think Harbaugh's got it in him. Harbaugh, the quote was, and I love this. Favorite football team I've ever been on. He's on the football team. He wears cleats and gloves, man. He's out there. Do you think he's secretly, like, there's a theory I have that he doesn't know he's the coach.

He thinks he's a player on the team and they give him a headset and he's got to make coach's decisions. He's, yeah. But he's a player in his mind. But yeah, just a really tough one. But Derwin James stood up for him. Kalee Mack stood up for him.

who doesn't who callio mac might not play football anymore he said he might be done and i don't want to see that because hey calil you're still incredible yeah and the game's better with you in it bro but for a guy that doesn't have to say that the guy's in that locker room i'm pretty sure derwin james knows more than you yeah about that quarterback and he thinks he's going to be damn good and stood up for him so disappointing day yeah but a big win for c j strout i'm super excited for him you know shifting gears another guy we love in here and hey we'll see man i love an underdog story like maybe you never know bro i got this new hat i will eat it if the texans make you eat the whole hat you eat the whole hat or well turns out i don't have to run down the the sidewalk naked because the steelers

didn't win i'll eat a portion of it i just bet harrison bucker to be reading the handmaid's tail oh for sure for sure that's funny that's the good one game balls Who's game ball? Yeah. So my brother from another mother. I think Tyrese. Colin. Oh, yeah.

He had a huge game for the Houston for Houston. And I think if we are going to see them advanced next week, he's probably going to have to have the same type of game. For sure. For sure. If not better. And Joe Mixer ran the ball. They got to run the football. It was a tough hundred yards, but he got a hundo.

Look. And I want to say this, Houston. Stop trying to get fucking cute. Like, just let Mixen run the ball. Like, he fumbled after you. Talk directly in the camera to Bobby slowing, please. You guys, stop being cute. You have a running back that is capable of getting yards.

You don't need to have him trying to make a pass. Like, it's the playoffs. Stop with the bullshit. Hand the ball off to him. Or let C.J. Stroud throw the ball. Pittsburgh, down 7-0. Like, they have a fuck ton of fucking downs to work with against the Ravens. and they do a flea flicker, bro.

And everybody's just like, what are you doing? Like, why now? Why ever? Why ever? New Orleans had a couple throwbacks at the end of the season. I'm pretty sure they're just inspiring. Have you ever seen a sequence like that one earlier in the fourth when it was Will Anderson on block sack, Edwards on block sack, Herbert seed to McConkey for 86 yards.

There's one. Extra point block. That was wild. Oh, dude, I forgot about that. That was the great, bro. And the fucking total was 43, dude. The total was 43. It had no business getting that high.

And then the guy bats the ball down. And everybody's like, oh, oh, the play's over. Hollow man. Cameron Dicker. If anyone on the field should know the special team's rules, it has to be, it has to be the kicker. Cameron Dicker. Like how, if anyone doesn't know.

if anyone does it, like, is supposed to know the rules, it has to be you. Cameron Dicker, you've been addressed. It has to be the kicker and the punter. They should know every single special team's rule up and down. And that specifically, right? The play's not over, guys. That's what you say. As soon as you knock it down, because nobody fucking knew.

Man. Speaking of books, you know what Tyreek would be reading? No, what? And Rand. Because then you never have to go back on the field because all her books are like a thousand pages, right? That's a teacher joke for you, you know, trying to get mad involved. But what about Jalen Hertz with the, what? Nobody gets that joke.

What about Jalen hurts with the hate? What about Jailen Hertz with the hate, bro, saying that he's never seen him reading it. So it's not about. He said that? Yeah, he's like, I've never seen him with the book, but I've never actually. There are, some people went back and found some pictures of him in like week 11 or something on the sideline, reading the same book. What happened to week 11? I don't remember.

What was week 11? That's what we have to find out. I think he had a good game that game though. That's what he had posted. He was like, yeah, like run with the narrative. This game I had this many targets and this many. He had good stats. So he's saying, you got to.

I'm not trying to narrative, AJ Brown. I just think it's funny. It is funny. It is funny. The thought of doing that would never cross my mind in a million years on game day, reading a book. The thought of reading a self-help book in public. Here's the deal.

I wouldn't read a self-help book on the subway or in an airport or in a City Park. Good on AJ Brown to be like, hey, I'm on fucking national TV. And I'm going to let people know I'm not okay. And or that's big of him.

He watches, he watched varsity blues the other night. And he wanted to do the same thing. Oh, the book, remember the backup quarterback? Kilmer catches him reading the book on the bench.

What kind of book is Antonio Brown reading on the sidelines? Oh, my God. Just a fucking coloring book with Koran? I'm trying to think what he would be reading. I'm trying to think about Antonio Brown would be really

I'm trying to be careful Yeah All right So next Real fast You're thinking Antonio Brown The Steelers Yeah

What do you need me to do No no no no No no I was gonna ask a question But it's all good That's a dog jacket bro Dax got it for me It's an incredible

Oh It was a thrift in and I was just like I got to get this for my guy really Yeah Oh that's amazing Sports Illustrated. But Ravens ran all over the Steelers, 2814. Yeah, no question.

Listen, I think in this game, it was pretty apparent to me early that the thing we thought might happen wasn't going to happen, which is that Pittsburgh could muddy it up. They just, like, when you give up a 90-plus-yard drive to that team to start the game off like that, and you get them in a third and 13 in the red zone,

It's just too easy. And the one thing I would say, and maybe y'all can push back on this, but like, I understand you want to see Lamar use his full tool kit. But 8, 10 quarterback runs in the first half is too much. I don't think you need it, yeah. Against that team. Yeah, I agree. That team, you're going to beat that team.

Yes. And maybe. Yeah. But I mean, realistically, how many games are left, guys? Yeah, but you got to look at the, you know. Did you hear the announcers talking about they were checking on an injury he had on the side? Yeah. It was like he was a red.

No, I'm not. They just said torso. All you have to do to be proven right on that assertion is hear that. You know what I mean? Like, because you're taking a chance, in my opinion. Yeah. Now, hey, listen, I'm all about, hey, Lamar, you see man coverage? Lamar, you see an edge rush taking an inside move?

Tuck that thing for 30. And hey, on third and three or fourth and two in key situations, but to come out of the gate, it seemed like they were almost making a point. And maybe it was to soften the edge players so they could run the full. football, right? You know, give you something to really think about like, oh, shit, we really have to defend quarterback run. Because that's a mystery coming to the game. You don't know what flavor they're going to give you of the run game. And I love the wildcat with Derek Henry back there getting this. Boy, the movement, the movement on that. It's so great. And then they let them fake the

hand off. It's like preparing, thinking about preparing for that offense and like the stuff that they can realistically do or have in their back pocket has to be absolutely like it has to it has to suck for a de coordinator just to be like thinking about what if you've always got he's always got an extra guy you always got an extra guy and the guy happens to be one of the best football players man i mean like it's just so you know like if i had to really we we should just compliment the fuck out of the Ravens for doing exactly what they came to do, which is put this game out of reach early and then be conservative late and let Pittsburgh kind of flirt with getting back in it and Russell throwing up deep balls so that he can sit at the podium after the

game and say, hey, I can't wait to be back. Like, excited about the future. Got a lot of good football left in me or whatever he said. That team, nah. Nah. Oh, yeah, Pickens, bro. That's a, yeah. Did your old teammate did your old teammate play who i think they were they think they were looking for him t j wott oh dude actually it's funny you bring that up that's my stl memorial is uh roger what's the name rogeron garden oh i was the right tackle played really well he was uh he was in that clip with uh getting miles garrett's jersey he was like he was like i'm a nobody i know you don't know who i am it's like yeah dude you just played against this guy all game he definitely knows who you are but he's like i'm a nobody he held t j watt to zero stats and green light fans knew him because

Chris was singing his praises at least in past protection. I'm the fucking reason he's in the game. Besides the fact that he's good. He's played a great game. That's my SEO memorial. I think he deserves some love, man. Well, I said that shit on the inside the NFL, and then somebody I know was like,

was like, I guess they were listening to you. Somebody in the, in the, so I was like, oh, I felt very powerful. I hope the kid doesn't fuck it up. She didn't. Not that I, but I felt like my name was on the line a little bit because I was like, they need to put this guy in. Like, he's going to be good.

And he's been pretty good. He's been pretty good. Was a Raven's owners? Maybe their kids, instead of using Madden, they use, they use podcasts to scout their own players. They listen to podcasts. You know how the Jets, they listen to his own. They listen to the Madden. I don't think that's, hey, I think they played Max Crosby.

And McCarie, who's a good football player and can play inside, they were like, oh, man, you know, if we want to throw the ball this year without yellow flags everywhere and that sort of thing, we need to put a pass protector in and he's been pretty good yeah um he makes some competitive out there and i thought the the left side of the line really paved the steelers um fall le lay lay that's a big boy that's a big man 164 in the first half on the ground how do you defend it though it's impossible you know what sucks about the steelers they it feels to me like they're in a part of the build where they should be better right like you know you have veterans yeah like t j wott making fitzpatrick Cam Hayward who's played great this year and you kind of you kind of waste all that talent and

and the defense ends up not playing that well down the stretch like I think they really need another corner I hate to do it really I hate to do it to my guy but like maybe sure I'm paying it was right and like Russ like isn't necessarily elite and I feel like the way the Steelers are built from top to bottom you kind of need an elite quarterback I feel like that defense is a defense if they have a seven point lead or if they have a lead, they can really do damage and, like, really muddy games up. Yeah. But they don't have that right now.

They don't have a consistent guy that, like, or just stay off the field a little bit. Like, stay on the field as an offense and get some long drives, even if they end up field goals. You have a field goal kicker that's, like, amazing. But they just didn't have that this year. He just, and they can't. It's not just him. I don't want to just make this. No, not just rough.

But it's, they don't have a lot of, like, intermediate. at winners. You know, it's Pickens, who's not going to be there very long, right? And he's going to make somebody very happy. Yeah, he is. Because that motherfucker can play football, but he's got to get his head on straight. They don't have a lot of winners and, you know, in the intermediate levels. And then I also don't think their tight ends really, you don't get a lot out of them. Like there was a play early in the game when Washington stuck Friarmouth on like a third and two at the 30 and you're down seven nothing. I knew when they pun it. And you're down. that like this was it like you know you got to pick that up and you got to go like it's fourth

in an inch or two you fucking go you burn the ships you're not as good as this team and friamos got to pick that up you know like washington's 300 pounds man so you know a guy's a good blocker but they haven't really used them as a receiver big time fire moose supposed to be the big receiver but he hasn't been like a dynamic guy for them um and can't block enough to where i'm like yeah good to have him in the core um you know the offensive line which you've invested in has shown improvement but it's still not a great group right um and russell wilson is older and when he was great in seattle it was very dependent on a great run run game like you talk about marshal and a great defense lob and they didn't just have one deep ball guy they have multiple guys who could get open

who could stretch the field who could work underneath um and they were really tough and another thing about him is now russ and he can't control this he's not 25 anymore so the one part of his game that really suffers is his mobility in my opinion yeah i watch him break the pocket or roll him get hawked down by madamee yes madd bk had two sacks he fucking hawked him but think about this for an offense that really ideally would love to move the pocket yeah especially against a raven's team that is very crafty on the edge and like very cagey and and have athletes on the edge and vats too You've got guys like O.A. who can take four steps and he's going to be on you. Van Nuys seen it all. You can't just roll the, you can't roll him out. You can't move him. And when he would try to scramble, there were multiple opportunities in this game where I feel like old Russ picks up a first down or really hurt you with his legs. It's just his legs aren't there anymore. And so that's a part of his game that matters. Right. You know, I'm not thinking it's all running. Okay, like, you know, it's a big decision at the time for Tomlin to go with Russ over dressing fields. I don't think it was a mistake.

No, it wasn't a mistake. It put them in position to go to the playoffs. Yeah. I don't think it was a mistake. The Steelers slid at the back half of your, what, they lose five games in a row. I just, or something like that?

Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think that they would be in a better position with Justin Fields. No, I don't think so either. But again, if we're talking about the future, that kind of colors in the conversation. Yeah. I love Russ.

I played with him in Wisconsin. I don't think he has a future in Pittsburgh. No, I don't think so either. But that's not to say, They might not bring them back because this organization seems to be okay with the status quo. Yeah. You know, post-Benzhen Rathesberger, they ever won a playoff game in like a decade. Yeah.

Last playoff game they won was 2016. Or they beat somebody before we beat him when I was in New England. It feels like a million years ago. Yeah. You know, which is part of the reason again, it's like you said the Mike Tomlin thing. Like, if Mike Tomlin wasn't in Pittsburgh, everybody would be jumping to him. Yes. And last year I was very resistant to talk about like the future without him.

but I kind of wonder what people would, like, what would have, and it's hard to remove his history from the conversation, but put this little era in a vacuum, and would another coach have the kind of leeway? It's obvious, it's, I don't, I think that the grass will be greener if they, if they, no, I don't think they should move on, Tom. I'm not saying move on. That's why it sucks, like, when you're a fan and, like,

obviously you want your team to move past the hump, but you have to sometimes take a step back and be like, okay, if we do get rid of him, like how does that look or how long are you willing to wait? Yeah, and I'm not saying that. I would never be the one to say, hey, Mike Thomas got to go,

but there is noise about whether it's just bullshit created by like Mike Floria or whatever, but people are talking about the prospect of trading for him or something like there are teams that I bet like a, like imagine him in New Orleans, like a fresh start, a little hole to dig out of, long leash. you know Mickey Loomis who's been there for a while like great food you know like great food

cap hell um but you know like it's a fun exercise that's probably not fun for Mike Tomlin but to talk about like would you would somebody trade for a head coach um I'm only saying it because it's out there I'm not saying it's real um but I am saying if you're a Steelers fan what if the what if the Cowboys traded for him and had and sent Mike McCarthy to to he's gone You can't trade McCarthy as a free agent. Yeah. They just, we're going to get some McCarthy.

They just shit cannon. They shit can. They missed that chance. Yeah. I just think that like the last playoff win being in 2016 is just so interesting because if you just, if you can like take the

Steelers out of it for a second to say like, hey, thought experiment, X franchise hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. How many head coaching changes do you think? That's my point. And it's impossible to remove the context of who what Tomlin is and the immense respect that we all have for him and the the quickness with which

somebody would scoop him up and I wouldn't blame him right but I do believe sometimes in the NFL there is a staleness yeah right and I also think like when you're in different phases of your program like right now I don't know what phase they would call this right like I don't know what phase that is quo I don't know per like sorry yeah huh per good story they're in quarterback it kind of feels that way good enough because they've they've they've they've they've they kind of rolled the dice on veteran quarterbacks and that sort of, they've never been bad enough to pick up high.

So you really are just playing Russian roulette with quarterbacks. You're the Steelers. Do you do Russell, Justin Fields, free agent, or find someone in the draft? And I'm not shitting on this very binary poll because I saw it, and that's what a poll is for it. But

I can't say that unless I'm, the Steelers just got Justin Fields, right? If Justin Fields is a possibility next year, you have see him for an off season. I want to see if he develops. So do I like taking a flyer on keeping him on the roster? Absolutely. As a trade chip, whatever, but as a gadget guy, as like your backup quarterback, but I do think he's got to develop a little bit. If you had to make the decision today and we were just going to skip into the next season, I'd say spin the wheel and give me

somebody else. Yeah. Right. I'd say, hey, get something for Justin Fields, but that's not the reality. We live in. It's going to be an off season. We talk about this thing for a while. If they get rid of Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson in New York Green, that might be nice. Oh, at the Jets? Yeah. You really, you wouldn't. That would be a fucking one. Huh?

That'd be bad. You'd think so? It'd be worse. That or, or, he's better than DTR. He can win that starting spot. Dude, and I'm not here. This is the problem with doing the quarterback thing. Everybody's like, oh, you guys are shitting on Russell.

Russell's a veteran quarterback. What? What is he got? What's he doing? Who is DT. Who's DTR? You don't know who DTR? No.

That's on you then. You're laughing. You don't know what you're doing? Cleveland Brown. Cleveland Browns. Quarterback. Dorian, you got to say his whole name.

Bo was also slamming high noons till one of the morning this night. I don't know DTR was the, I think it's a good answer. I think the question is a good answer to the question. That's my. Yeah. Well, no, I just think like with Russ, it's like, man, like we're not saying the guy's trash.

But to be, like, that's the one thing about the quarterback position. You can be mid and keep playing in the NFL for a long time. Yeah, you've got to find the right spot. Because you got to find the right spot. And there's also, like, they rotate defensive linemen in. You know, you can be a nickel corner. You can be, you can have some specialty. Or you could be, you know, a guard or something like that.

But, but you're, but you're, those shade. But what I'm saying is, quarterbacks, if you get one fucking, you're either, you're either the reason or not for most teams. You're either a quarterback or your tasum hill. knowing between. No, I mean, it's just like, okay, we could do the Steelers. We could do the Rust thing again. And there's going to be people like, after what he showed for that stretch,

he also lost five games in a row down the stretch. And so did that coach. So like, it's not unfair to talk about any of this stuff. I think you keep one of them. You keep Justin Fields or Russell and you try to draft somebody or acquire somebody in free agency. You know, you're trying to finesse someone for a trade. Keep them in trouble.

Who are you talking about, Russ? Yeah, maybe. Just start keeping a bunch of courts. quarterback just the case. Somebody needs one. Bro, like, it's like,

you're like a doomsday prepar. You really, you know? Stockpiling. Yeah. I can't wait to barter these quarterbacks in a post-apocalyptic America. There's going to be people like, I need some Russell Wilson.

Run it up to my fucking bunker. I'll give you Justin Fields for a gold bar and an AK. Like, I don't know that these. guys are going to be in high demand but i do i do kind of like i like the idea of not giving up on justin field's development you know and what what was that to pertain you know because i know what the rust ceiling is maybe pittsburgh should look at the gm omar con everybody's talking about mike tomlin like the one high quarterback pick that the steelers made was two years ago and they took kenny picket

in the first round and they're off of them two years later for late round picks no no question I mean, fuck, there's a lot of fingerpoint that can go around in a situation like this. But I think Nolan's question, when I was hitting that is central. If you heard about a team, and you didn't say which one in the NFL that hadn't won a playoff game in 10 years

and finished with five losses a row, I'm just being real. I'm not saying I want Tomlin gone, but what I'm saying is like, we would be talking about this with anybody else. And maybe that's part of it is like he is Mike Tomlin. And that's the thing that makes it tricky about coaches. When players fuck up,

players are old or injured or they lost it when coaches fuck up you're kind of like well that guy's still in there brain's still healthy you know what I mean he's still Mike Tomlin he can turn this thing around it's the same thing I feel about with Bill I'm like Bill's gonna he got the suds he's gonna crush it at UNC but yeah

Tomlin got the suds right now what's suds it's like what's the deep sponge bob it's like the sickness and oh yeah yeah yeah yeah when you're sick my kids love SpongeBob now like when he's cold that picture with that beanie on

is just so funny. Chris, do you feel optimistic about the future of the Steelers? That's such a... What do you mean? Nah. No, he's supposed to say the standard is the standard.

I'm sorry to say this. I'm sorry to say this, but I want to say that he didn't understand what the word optimistic meant. Are you caping for him in that? Yeah, I am. No.

I am. What? What do you mean what? He didn't know. know what the word optimistic means? Like, why is that hard to believe? To believe. I don't know.

Does he have a third grade reading level? I think he's smart. The way he answered that question. He said he didn't know what optimistic means. He paused. Nah. Hey, we were laughing our ass off about that interview last time. I was just watching it over and over in the car.

Bro. No. No. Bro. When I get bored and I want to laugh, I just go to, like, when he's getting drafted, the way he was standing with that shiasty on so close to the TV. Just like, look. It's just so funny the thought of he'd been doing that with all his family and friends that are probably in the background just like look at it

Like look at him. Who could we try that's hilarious, but who can we try? I'm just stuck thinking about I want to save Mike Tomlin not that he's like under fire But like who could we if we're the Steelers let's be the Steelers for a second what veteran quarterback is out there that you're like oh we can go give something up for this guy or he's going to be a free agent? Better than quarterback? Yeah like how about like or a or a two like? Like very somewhere else i ain't doing that no i love derrick but i mean redhead did all right handy daldon yeah red rock fire crotch did a good job that red that red that red that red hair looked terrible in the that's hate that's hey that's hey what i think his hair could never look terrible but maybe in yellow black yeah but he's got great let's mac jones did he play well enough no no i know how much we don't want any

Still. By the door, Megan. What about the past or not? I got some Mac Jones out here. Open the bunker. Joe Milton. Oh, God. He did a backflip.

Off his vert for first touchdown as a quarterback. I say you open it up and just bring in four low value. Well, it's kind of what they did this year. Dude, just do it all over again. Just do it all over again with different quarterbacks. If they're not going to, if what you're saying is like, no, we're just going to stay the course. then you might as well do it in the way that's most advantageous or you got the best chance of hitting on one

at when you're picking at 17 or 20 every year. I know who you can go. I know he can go. I know he can go get it. Tanner McKee. It'll be hard to do this, but. Tanner McKee. Polk the bear.

Tell Kirk Cousins, come start. No, that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that Allegheny Fescue up there would eat his. It's alive, dude. The fucking grass in that stadium at Ackon. Accureure. Oh, man. Kurt, hey, Kurt.

Come start, man. Accra sure. You're going to be on that bench for a long time behind that young stud. You're going to be on the bench for a long time. I don't think he has a long time. I know, so got to get out of there now. I don't know where the landing is for Kirk. I think it might be Shova.

Man, I hope not. Respectfully to my dog, Kirk, who I got a lot of respect for. Let me say that again. But it just doesn't feel like he's going to have another, like, real, capital low opportunity. Yeah, true. I think people have learned enough from the spinning the wheel on, hey, a Hall of Fame type quarterback and Matt Ryan,

that didn't work out right, bringing him in Indy, like India's done this thing over and over again. Pittsburgh's now doing this thing. But Flacco's still doing it? Everybody's enamored with the, hey, it worked for Brady, it worked for, I think it's got to be like, you've got to get somebody early. You got to find some, a diamond in the rough.

You can't go after like the older guy anymore. They're going to go get Zach Wilson and him and George Pickens going to be the best buddy tandem in the NFL that nobody expected. Buddy cops. Yeah, dude. Buddy cops. I like that.

Zach Wilson's going to show up to a press conference in week six in a, in a shysie mask. No, he's going to show up to press conference in a Cougar's vehicle. You're going to be driving him to work. Isn't that Zach Wilson they used to? Yeah. It feels like a lot of time ago. I can see him and pickings running twos.

What? Running two is like picking up some mills. Oh. I've never heard that. What is that a word for? Running two. What's a running twos? Like a two man.

Like if we're going to pick up girls together. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I've been out the game for a long time, dude. I've never heard that. Running two. I'm fucking with it, bro. Somebody mentioned Drew Locke in the damn, uh, in the damn chat.

I think it's going to be, I think you open up a tryout. You just, hey, like you pay guys to come in and just, I, you can't. do that anyways but they got to get creative man yeah if they're gonna keep doing this they got to get creative i think marriota is also a name but i think he'd be still in your uh too much of a hamster wheel type fail no for sure don't don't forget about tanner mckee don't forget about malick willis we're not done with malik willis why do marionta like that they have to trade out of the first round this year because it's the same thing like we kind of know we tried it in atlanta you know and that's not to say hey there's a lot of pride you can take him being a 30 plus year old quarter

in the NFL. Like, incredible. I mean, you're one of the best quarter of... But even if you're picking someone, you're hoping on like that second win, right? You're hoping on there, they might catch a late second win for... No, I'm not after late. I want the early second win. That's where I'm going now.

The Baker Mayfields, the Sam Darnolds, the... Maybe not Carson Wentz's, but that kind of thing. Oh, yeah, Sam. They could get Sam because, I mean, if JJ... J.J. They'll probably franchise them. Who are they going to franchise things? No, I know.

But that would be a fun thought experiment. I think so too. Now I'm done thinking about it. All we need is JJ. And I think it's Tanner McKee. And if he has a crazy-ass camp next year, they're going to be done with things. Just watch. Real fast.

One thing for the Ravens that they've done really well against quality opponents, and it's something we can keep an eye on going into the next week's game against the bills. They finished the regular season tied for second-most penalties committed. But in the Steelers and the Texans games, in December, they combine for five penalties. And then Saturday, only three penalties. No, they clean it up. Yes. They're playing their best ball.

When they play top tier opponents, their penalties take a dot. Listen, there's nobody in a league that you want to put it like a scary index. They're fucking scary. The Ravens are scary. Like, good luck tackling that big SOB. And if you're lucky enough to get third down, good luck with that guy. Yep. And, you know, the defense, as we've said, has just played better and better all year.

Like little tweaks they've made. This Washington kids played really well for them since he's played a lot more of ball. Kyle Hamilton, we talk about moving him in a more position that he's consistently okay with, comfortable in. I feel like what they've gotten done with Kyle Van Nuoy up front has been amazing this year. He's got a career season. veteran. O.A. Matabike,

coming on as the season goes on. This team's tough, man. And I think this Buffalo game's going to be incredible. We'll talk more about that later in the week. And shout out to Lamar Jackson's mom and agent, he is now 5'0 since she cussed him out. So shout out to her, motivation, got her son playing the best football at the right time.

I love it. That kid from, you would think, the Notre Dame quarterback would be a lot better. Because his mom tells me sucks. Riley Leonard. By the way, that Ohio State game's going to be. Ohio State Notre Dame. What's that going to be like 3117 if they score that much?

Who? Ohio State, Notre Dame. But who? Ohio State. 2720. 2720. I hope it's close. Fuck Ohio State.

Okay. Eight and a half. Eight and a half. Yeah. eight and a half all right and the last one but they lost

you know I heard like Notre Dame lost Eastern Illinois I heard nothing good can ever happen with Ohio State if they lose to Michigan

oh maybe I don't know I don't know I don't know the rules as much as some college football watchers but let's hit the bills

and then we'll talk about some of the coaching changes and get out of here but those bills let's hit the bills not too hard though we need them next week

because they play the Ravens and that is going to be incredible but I just felt like in this game we'll come honestly my wife on the way home yeah did you hear that as soon as she said that I was like I stared right at you I was like oh yeah I was like I've actually never played that stadium mag it's one of the few ones I didn't get to play out we were we were flying home yeah and we were talking about how great a game it's going to be and meg was like you should go 24 degrees with snow expected that's the experience that's the experience what day is that

game going to be do we know christ we go you have to jump what day's the eagles game it's sunday at three see we just did the eagles you know and i like i feel like natures it's like yesterday when i dapped up dontavian wicks on the way into the locker room like a couple eagles fans are like oh like i'm sorry i know the guy and i want to go to see a bill's playoff game so maybe i'll be there this weekend but You know, fans in Buffalo, what do you got for us? And I love Airbnb, but Matt, I know the area better now. I know where to look for an Airbnb. Bro.

I thought downtown Buffalo would be. Honestly, I feel like, listen, I feel like anywhere, like, I just feel like for a Buffalo fan, they'll be so excited that like everywhere in Buffalo, this is probably a lie. don't take this advice will be safe and jovial for the game. Like after the game if it goes wrong, then I would be a little scared about what's going on. Oh, if they lose, we're getting in the car and driving down to the nearest airport. Exactly.

No, I want to get drunk at Bar Bill. Bar Bill. But also Jim Kelly's favorite Italian restaurant, I really want to get back there too. I really like that place. The back room after a win in the game probably. Which we'd obviously be in. he's put himself at the back room with a Jim Kelly's restaurant

but no I would love to go up to see Bill's play Bill's Mafia Anyways What's the line on that game Gonna be? What is it? It has moved multiple times this morning It was Bill's minus one And right now

It's going to the Ravens It was Ravens minus 1. It's going to Ravens It's going to the Ravens It's a little nerve wracking Especially consider we're going up there Was it why I'm going to have been in a pickum game? I'm just waiting for that.

Well, this one could end up there. Or you can probably bet it at a pickum at a certain time. I might. Yeah. I'd want to ask Cowboy Reid how he feels about this Broncos season in football. Great. Great. Everyone was like, oh, five wins. Makin was over there. Oh, you suck.

You suck. Bo Nick sucks. Yeah. Doesn't suck. And what I said? I said, we'll see. I would like nine wins. Yeah.

Nate was on. Nate was on the bag wagon. Bandwagon. Now he's off. We're doing even better. No, you're not. I got off just a time. You got off before we made the playoffs, and then we made the playoffs.

But no, I'm feeling great. A little history for you. A little history for you. John Elway's rookie season. Oh, we're doing this thing. They were wild card. Yes, I love this. They lost to the Seahawks, 31-7.

I love the way they hold, they take Peyton Man. And then what happened? 31-7. Yeah. And then, hey, next season, 13 and 3. listen wait 13 3 years later a Super Bowl oh did they win the Super Bowl? No no no they didn't win the Super Bowl for

like yeah a while later but so we went 13 to 3 so basically you're not going to win Super Bowl for another that's totally fine is if we yeah that's fine but you're excited for three more wins next year oh hell yeah okay oh that feels a lot of sure doesn't it 13 wins versus a last seven years of just bull bull shhs you're a logical guy yeah in you're a logical fan no no no fuck no okay

there is i thought maybe like one of your parents shut you down no no bull bull no my mom was uh my mom was rewatching the hangover episode a couple weeks oh really yeah yeah she was like ah that's so good you were struggling um but i watched this back last night because obviously i was drunk tailgating while I was watching it. And just decided to put a lot of money on the bills. And boy, did it pay off. Boy, did it look a little shaky early. Here's what I saw.

I saw Denver wanting to start fast, obviously taking the big shot, hitting the big shot saying, hey, we're going to take the lead, get them out of the run game because they knew we can't stop the run. And that ended up being the thing. But the big shot, the fake punt, obviously Sean Payton's known for what he did in the Super Bowl, trying that fake punt, trying to steal possessions.

I thought the bills just pounded them. And like Aaron Kromer's group up front, one of the most underrated groups in the league when it comes to the run game because you don't think about it because Josh just overshadows them. But they really do a good job up front. And I thought, you know, like visions in my head

of Cook Dragon people 13 yards on a single play, you know, he gets hit on like the 40. He ends up on like the 27 or whatever it is. Dawkins sending Ellis to the x-ray room. a kickout block. Yeah. Man. They just were too physical.

It was a bunch of gap scheme and then Josh killing people on third and manageable. If you're in third and three, it's akin to the Jaden Daniels thing and then some. You know, his ability to pepper the middle of the field. You had some numbers on that. But, you know, you knew he wasn't going to, you don't even need to target Coleman or Cooper. We said that coming to the game. They have no number one.

It's just we're going to take what you give us. Right. Which is interesting because the last time they played the Ravens, it felt like I think Shakir was out in that game. He's kind of their number one. Yep. I mean, the time when he was out there against Houston, I feel like he was almost like a decoy.

They barely gave him the ball, if I remember correctly. He's kind of their number one. So I think it goes week to week who they want to attack in this game, the middle of the field, the run game. The run game was everything. But that fourth and one was a backbreaker. We talked about getting the backs out of the backfield to catch passes and how you attack Denver's defense with guys in the second.

level on running backs, especially in linebackers. That penalty was huge, right? That's a targeted running back in Ray Davis and then in the end zone in the fourth and one. That's magic. And it kind of put the game out of reach, but that's Josh Allen, that's Lamar, that those guys kill you in the red zone.

But coincidentally, Denver was very good in the red zone yesterday. That's what they do defensively. I don't think that's the thing Buffalo is going to struggle with every week, but this was a game where kicking field goals early kind of put it in a in a there was a mood going into the half where like anything could happen.

I mean, Lutz missed a field goal. Nick's missed some throws at the end of the half. He'd like to have back. But other than that, it just came down to physicality. And Peyton comes out in the second half and says, and he's one to tell you exactly how he's feeling on the microphone. He goes,

the key is time of possession in the second half. And then the bills proceed to eat the first 10 out of 11 minutes of the third quarter. So you couldn't stop them. The run game makes them really interesting. When you talk about, like, how do you stop this group? You've got a very evenly distributed amount of weapons, including the backs in the backfield. You've got a good offensive line. You've got an MVP-type quarterback.

So I think Denver coming out of this thing is going to see a bunch of holes on their team that they can easily address and be better. It's amazing to me that they got as far as they did with their group. We make a big deal out of like what Washington did. Yeah. You know, it's the same thing with Tampa. go back and say, hey, Tampa, they got dead cap issues. This team had like legendary dead cap issues. Yeah. Okay. And for them to kind of make it work the way they did, you talk about like finding valet, making him kind of a guy they could throw the ball to. You know, obviously Cortland Sutton's a stud.

Mims had some great plays this year. But nobody scares me, right? Like nobody on that offense really scares me, scares me. There's nobody in the running back room. Cortland is. a he can get open and he can carry he's number one yeah yeah but he but we need another we needed you know a dynamic deep threat that can slot you don't have to put court in slot you know but like just put somebody in there that can take top off the defense you know like if they had like a jaden reed type guy I think they'd be a lot closer I think

honestly running back for that team would do them wonders and I know we kind of stay away from running backs in the draft and that sort of thing, but if they really like a guy, I would go get one. Yeah. I'm not going to have a lot. He's not going to be around. You don't have to get one early. But if you love a guy and you think he's a game changer,

because I don't mind the offensive line. It's one of the best in the league. It just didn't make so much sense why they weren't able to run the ball with authority. I think part of it again comes back to the fact that the guys outside don't scare you. Maybe a trade for Kamara. Yeah. Kamara reunion, bro. Well, and that's it.

what we need like Sean Payton's always had his joker Reggie Bush Alvin Kamaro all those guys Aaron Jones is a pre-agent right who Aaron Jones he's been linked um but I'm Tyler Warren tied down at Penn State oh Warren he is on he's gonna be a stud yeah we let him get out of state yeah yeah yeah we did in petersburg yeah fucking crazy come on home but the um yeah no play for Virginia the problem that I had with that early in the second half are two three three and outs, we run the ball, run the ball, then we're third and long. Run the ball, run the ball, third and long. What are, like, the defense knows what's coming. You can't put Bo Nix in the situations. The successful drives we had, the, um, outside that touchdown drive, but our missed

field goal right before the half and the, uh, the one downs, um, early in the fourth quarter. Yep. Started with Bo Nix throwing the ball. He's on the run. He's in rhythm. He knows what he's doing. He knows where he's looking. Also, it didn't help that Cortland's, Sutton dropped a ball. Devon. The drops. They dropped two. Troy Fray and dropped another.

They dropped three. The drops hurt. Yeah, the drops were just terrible. Just the timing of them too. Would we think of Ray Davis's touchdown? In, out. If he had black cleats on, was he, would that be an incomplete pass?

No, I thought he was in. That's what they rolled it complete on the field and I had to build. Yeah, yeah. What black cleats got to do with it? Well, then you could see the line. What are you doing? No, I definitely think that. You're confusing.

Cooper to James. and read Blankenship and calling Andy Dalton that redhead you know I mean he's the NFL redhead I don't know if you all saw it but there was one ridiculous

there was a deep shot third and four Josh Allen hit a tight end going down the side line for 40 yards incomplete is all day you watch the replay the ball hits the ground

the bills kind of saunter up to the line snapped the ball the reps this was after the head refs I forget his name, went and tapped Josh Allen on the sideline. He was like, hey, our bad, we'll get you next time. And they got, it was ridiculous. Nobody wanted Denver through the next round. Oh, my goodness.

Have you ever seen? Did Sean have a red flag, though? No, he should have. I'm just checking. Yeah, you're right. I mean, seriously. 100%. There's a bad call.

There's a lot of bad calls this year. You got to throw that red flag. You got to throw the red flag, man. There's so many instances where I see a team hurry up to the line, and I'm just like, what are we doing? You know, it's almost like they should have somebody at home. phoning into the to the coordinator of the head coach.

Yeah, you can be the guy. But the game's on a delay. That's the only thing. Yeah, that's fucked up. I saw it as soon as it, as soon as it happened. It was only three. How big a delay is it?

You got all that time. I think it's like a few seconds. You said sauntered. It was. Yeah. They just, you have to tap into a live feed at the game somehow.

Yeah. To do that. So yeah, I mean, like kind of, listen, I think a lot of people were on the Broncos for good reason. Like, it felt like a game that kind of worried me. because I thought the Broncos might be able to move the ball more.

But I thought those guys came to play. Like, dudes in second level, we always talk about this, screaming downhill to fit in the run front. Milano was kind of all over the field a little bit. Absolutely dog. That was Ty Johnson, not Ray David. Who are you looking at? Yeah, Ty Johnson in the end zone.

Yeah, we said, I think we said Ray David. He said Ray David. Oh, my bad. So I just think overall, it's a team that now Buffalo low-key has been there every year like yeah not loki hi pahalo and so you think about a team that like doesn't have the rings but they're one of the most experienced playoff teams in the in the dance so um you know that was just going to be a tall task task them to come in and beat that team especially when you can't stop the run yeah yeah and that to me is a little confounding right well you've been one of the best teams against the

run right season right just yeah but i think that was one of the things we talked about on friday it was the bill's offensive line was the top pat or past protecting unit versus Denver's yeah yeah yeah rushing unit which you know I thought by the time Josh ever had to throw I mean the run game really takes a lot of pressure off that offensive line and so um that that game next week's can be unbelievable yeah unbelievable maybe we'll be there we should go on seat geek do or do we have a sponsorship with any of these fucking not currently no All right, well, you're welcome to hit us up, see geek. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You know? What's up? I would love to go sit up and like, the nosebleeds. Yeah. Sit with the like the real thing. And like really gets them all 22 going. Oh, yeah.

$130 is the cheapest get in price. Where is the, where is that one? That's all the way upper deck. It's going to be cold and windy up there. Oh, yeah. I love it. I'm wearing like a mask. Not that anybody know who I am.

It's like $250 for lower deck. Really? Lower bowl, I mean. Oh, sick. The last thing on this game, what did you all think of Brandon Jones the collision with Ray Davis? Just that, like,

it's a tough work for him. Like, what else can that do? Yeah. I don't think, I think some people look at it and say like, hey, like, and some people have never been in athletic positions like that, no shade. You would say, oh, well, you know, pretty fucking easy.

Yeah. Pretty fucking easy. Yeah. I just, I just tear my ACs. you all walking up the steps when I'm drunk I'm a normal guy it's pretty easy not to interfere with a guy or hit him above the neck like I just felt like it was a situation where that guy kind of got fucked there I mean like he was trying to put the brakes on I almost felt like he did as much as he could to not make contact with his helmet in that situation you led with his shoulder he was

at least turning with his shoulder um but it was like I mean Josh did exactly what you're supposed to do rushes in your face throw it to the to the to the to the free guy. To right read and close to the right play. But once that play happened, it felt like, you know, it was just too much. And then the fourth and one, same thing. I mean, just backbreaking plays, backside of the backfield. Yep.

All right. Well, that's all the games. We should probably talk about the coaches who are getting axed. We are. And we're going to preview this game tonight after a little Airbnb message. This one is tape, Beau. What's up, Green Life fans? It's your boy, Dr. Fax.

and I want to talk to you about Airbnb. Me and the Greenlight crew a few years ago, we stayed at Airbnb for the Super Bowl in Arizona, and it was absolutely immaculate. It had a huge cactus in the backyard, had a pool, had enough room for everybody, way better than a hotel. And then recently just purchased a house with my girl,

and we found out that we can be host. And your house might be worth more than you think, and you can find out at Airbnb.com slash, We're back. DTR's going to tweet. Bo Allen doesn't know who DTR is. I actually tweeted out a guy today and said, eat my ass.

Did you really? Yeah. You guys want to go check that out. How long have you been seeing him? Yeah, the guy that I, the guy goes, Bo Allen has no value. I was a little. He said that?

Yeah, I said, eat my ass. You got no value on the show? No, no. no, no, not on the show. It was me. It was a photo of me on Fletch. And someone said something. A lot of value. We don't get to third down without you. The other two guys on me. You got a show.

Me after the show who said that. But then he took it. He was a good sport about it. He's like, he's up, wow, I just got shit on by Bo. And I was like, there. If it's the same troll, bro. There is a guy. It might be even worse. There is a guy in the YouTube comments who drops every episode drops it.

This guy hates Bo. Hey, he caught. Yeah, Neppo Baby Bo. Nepo baby? Yeah, when He calls me a Nepo baby? He says, thank God, or on Fridays he's like,

thank God Nepo baby you'd blow it. That's fucking awesome. Is it? Doesn't look like so. I've never seen that. Why did you ask? I never told him about the guy

because I just was like, Nepo baby. You know, it's better you don't know about the big assholes. Yeah, yeah. Well,

it's geeky because the guy's, what's his like YouTube handle or whatever? Oh, we don't know all that often. To, he's without fail, because I do sometimes. check that's funny because you know we're still a I have a message for him eat my ass on he's just

going to double down dude hey if it works once it's a copycat league all right well so we're going to talk about the game tonight Vikings at Rams um Rams right now two and a half point underdogs totals 47 and a half um in the first game I felt like the Vikings had a lot of trouble with the past offense to the Rams. And it's a game that Vikings fans came out of it saying, we still had a shot. There was a face mask in the end zone, that sort of thing. We could have gone to length of the field. I just want to see the Vikings clean up some of those issues in the red zone. If you, if you're going to be that way, you got no shot. Yeah. I want Sam Darnard to bounce back, man. I mean, it was with Joe Buck over the weekend and he's calling this game. He was talking about how

like fast people forget. You have one bad game. Everyone in the NFL is such a short memory. people forget sam donald hasn't had an unbelievable year i just want him to play well he'll get hit the head for a guy he's been great i want him to play well against this rams defense i think he will he's got the best fucking wide receiver in the game of football in my opinion um in j j jess i want to see him going i think one thing i'm really a matchup i'm excited about chris we talked about this a little bit um i want to see stafford against flores bflow's defense yeah because usually those vet quarterbacks like stafford's been around he's played against defenses like that.

Pre-snap, he can diagnose everything so well. He's such a smart football player. And he's going to know where to throw hot, where to go with the ball, the matchups that he likes. And that's kind of what I'm curious to see. So I kind of want Stafford to ball. I love the Vikings to win.

I think if the Vikes are going to win, they're going to need to score a lot of points because I see Stafford, you know, getting in the 30s. So I'm taking the over in this game. It's funny, dude. I don't know how to read this total. I don't know how to read this total.

47 and a half. Okay. You know, I kind of, there's a feeling I have where like, it could be like another struggle type game. The front for the Rams scares me playing this front. That's one of my biggest concerns. I'm talking about the offensive line.

Yeah. Or the offensive line for the Vikings and the defensive front for the Rams. They kind of got after them, especially late in that game. I mean, like once, and this is, of course, the game they had to deal with their assault leaving but um they did not look great last week picking up stunts picking up blitzes like they didn't pass i mean i know that's not really what the rams are all about like with a group like that you kind of line up and rush they run good games though no question so i mean the interior that that offensive line is going to be yep it's going to be spot

lit tonight as we watch and i think we are going to do a live watch tonight so stay tuned um stay tuned for that actually don't yeah stay tuned but you hang out on the channel also cool though like Yeah, just stay here. I like this matchup, Chris. It's only a couple more hours. These coaches know each other, you know? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

It's going to be a great game. And I think, like, honestly, as a player, like, you have to consider the, it's a very real thing. Like, we thought we had a home game. We don't have a home game. We got to pick up and move, but we're not on the road. That's my worst flight was the Rams. I don't know that. I kind of like fleeing giant forest fires.

Agreed. I'm saying more just, like, tragic situation, shitty circumstances. There's so much uncertainty. There's an emotional toll involved with that. Thankfully, Arizona is a stadium that they're very familiar with. I saw actually McVeigh putting them in the visiting locker room just because they've been there so many times. Shitty to lose a home game. Shitty to have to go out there.

Circumstances are shitty. So I feel like maybe that's something that, you know, McVeigh, a great coach can put a battery in your back about that and kind of turn the scenario in your favor where like you're this cornered animal. Yep. And like, hey, we don't deserve to be here. We fucking won enough games to have a home game. And, you know, it didn't work out. But like, you know, let's, let's, and if you're the Vikings, you're just trying to write the shit from last week.

You know, that's a really bad taste you had in your mouth last week. It's another reason why beware of the Vikings, because oftentimes after a team plays like that, they have their best week of practice. Yeah. And they lock in and show up, you know, hot. And so. Do we care about your hangover thing?

Huh? Do we care about your hangover theory? With the Lions thing? Yeah. I haven't checked on it in a couple of months. But it could be real. It might be it. It was a physical game.

It was a physical game. And the seasons getting longer and the Rams got a rest. The Rams got a rest. Yeah. Which is why I kind of wonder. But they got rest, but did they like running around. Running around.

Running from fires. Like seriously. Yeah, no, seriously. That tires you out. Like fucking having to move from here to there. The uncertainty. The mentally. Yeah, I don't know.

Like all of that. No, I know. It's nuts. You might. Like, they were practicing Thursday of smoke. Yeah. And they had to leave. Like, I can't, I can't imagine.

Like, like, I literally can't imagine. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I think it'll be, like, more than oppressive if they come out and they're able to compete well. And this isn't something where I just feel like in my heart that Minnesota is going to boat race them to them. McVeigh's that type of coach, though, that's going to have them ready, dude. He's such a good coach. Yeah.

I was talking to Whitworth about this last night. I was like, it's so rare to have a guy that's. Got all the X's and O's like he's a total football nerd and has all the concepts, but he's also like an alpha. You know, especially. He had a good comment though. Weaver said he's one of the few guys who I feel like could be a CEO or like any company in any field.

Any company. Yeah, it was cool. When he came on the show, like 10 minutes in, I wanted to go play football for him. It was like, he's like one of those guys. Yeah. It's just so high energy. Everything to me seems like he turns it into an operation. opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what they have to do. It's an opportunity to do something great

in a tough situation and win for the people back home and all the people who are displaced and didn't get to watch a home game. You also have one of the most dangerous quarterbacks left in the dance in Matt Stafford. If you had to rank the NFC remaining quarterbacks, he might be won. The best version of Matt Stafford, I don't know if I can give Jayden Daniels that that title over the best version of Matt Stafford. You know what I'm saying? What? Did I say? I don't know. Maybe even haven't even haven't seen the best version of Jaden Daniels yet. Like there's there's there might be an unknown ceiling there that we haven't seen. Yes, there is a percentage chance that we haven't seen the best Jaden Daniels yet. I too would like to speculate on that. But in the past, what we've seen

with Matt Stafford is the guy won't a fucking Super Bowl. Okay. I love you guys. But I just disagree. I disagree But playing right now Stafford wasn't playing well Down the stretch And that's what kind of worries you If the rest wasn't just about rest And it was like he's dinged or something like that

And he comes out and he's not He's he's The Rams have been banged up at points during the season Oh they have And they have a home game No I got a home game What do you got for a score? Uh fuck I'm not gonna do that at 430

I need to I'm gonna bet this at fucking What's the line? It's two and a half The Rams are underdo I wasn't ready to pre- 33 33 28 who

Rams I think it's like a 2420 type game was that the score of the first game 30 to 20 was the score of the first round and remember if we we talked about this on Friday the Vikings had lost the week prior the first time they played

to the Lions so see oh yeah they were dealing with the hangover yeah and they're going to deal with the hangover again so we'll see maybe they can't pick this game with it also they invited me to the game so I'm not going to pick against them that's just the way this goes all right and i'm so i'm not going to pick the game i'll tell you during the live stream who i bet okay we'll start like a couple minutes early you know yeah because you know like one of my old trainers might be watching this podcast right now

chalman bay is watching our legend of the game pick the fucking vikings no chris you mentioned it uh earlier about our our picks this weekend or or this week uh between you step and mackin uh, Makin needs the Vikings to win by three or more to not go one and four. No way. We did Steve do really well? Steve went three and two.

But Makin, he's been steady, man. He could catch me by the end of the playoffs. You are at 56, 38 and one. He's at 53, 40, and two. Macon is 45, 45 and four with one to play. As long as he don't win, we don't really care.

Me and Steve are just like, all right, we're good. But I just said, somebody in the chat said nepo baby beau and it's you ha ha ha a fucking reverse psychology um all right all right

let's talk about these coaches real quick because i think it's pretty interesting to hear that brable got the job in new england best flight and that it's so predictable yeah um but i got to tell you since i saw him go get his red jacket i was like man wouldn't that be cool so i'm not going to lie and say i haven't thought this would be cool but it does feel like robert craft is kind of like predetermined his decisions lately putting his comfort blanket on. Yeah. And, you know, I don't blame him when the clock's ticking and you're like, bro, you're in your 80s and you're like, bro, how long am I going to be owning this team? I love Rable as a coach. I love Rable. But you just have to be careful thinking that the same old stuff is going to work. Yeah. You know, I think Brable said that outright in this press conference. I'm not Bill. I'm me, you know, which which is the right attitude to have here. And, and honestly, I think if Josh is the guy, okay.

Josh has been a pretty good coordinator. He just hadn't been a great head coach. And I think it's kind of soured the whole opinion on him, you know, being a coach in general. But he can call plays. He said it. The thing that attracted him to his job was Drake May. I think that's. Definitely so, man.

And being back home. Yeah. You know, the whole thing. But I do think like what's interesting is he brought his guy from Tennessee. What was the guy's named Caldon? Ryan Calton, yeah. He brought that guy from Tennessee. he's a like he was like an assistant GM there yeah but they kept on um the guy they had this wolf

so what's the dynamic going to be there i think rabel's probably the type of guy that wants to control a lot of the personnel um they have familiarity with that up and new england yeah they do and probably this feels like a little bit of a lighter touch yeah right i would say so it's like you get the best of both worlds you get the bill bellichick kind of edge yep but you also get a guy and brayble has a fucking serious edge to him. Yes. He's talking about weeding out the, you know, the non-competitive people. I don't think that makes sense based on some of the things that were discussed in the media

about the Patriots this year. I mean, a lot was made of Mayo. I can't remember his exact wording, but he called the Team Soft or something along those lines. And there was some, you know, tension between the fans and the players and the media and the coach and the fans and the media. And it seems like Grable's just not going to be about that bullshit. no he's not he's not going to get up there after the game and say anything that's going to really raise your eyebrows not to the degree that gerard did when he called team soft i think the

brable's not going to call you soft he's just going to get you out of there exactly um but i also think like to compare what he's going to do to what mayo did even though mayo failed like mayo didn't have an opportunity like this is going to be a real opportunity for rabel and i hope he seizes it because i really like my brable but um kind of what i was saying earlier though chris is I guess my concern, I love this hire. I think it's a good fit. It seems very natural. My concern is that the Patriots are going to continue to do kind of what they were, what they're accustomed to, what was successful for them in the past.

And I just would like to see them be a little more creative offensively. I don't think they have a ton of offensive playmakers on their roster right now. I think they need to go get some receivers. I like Ramondra Stevenson, but that's what I think. I just want to see them be creative offensively. not fall into the trap of trying to do what they've done in the past that made them successful because you can't do that without bill and tom no i mean they're they're they're going to be listen they're they're they're going to be better than you think quicker than you think um can he take them

to the next level challenge for that division i mean with with with with damn josh allen division um that that's tough but at least if you're the patriots i feel pretty good about the way i match up with Miami and with the Jets. I don't think anyone in Fox were a scare of the New York Jets right now. No, it's just about like, can we catch Buffalo and how long would it take? And, you know, I really do, I do like to hire. I think it also, I think it also underscores that, like, the Ben Johnson thing. Like, there is a universe where, is there a universe where Ben Johnson's like,

I'm going to stay here again? I think so. like he could have a bad interview in Chicago and be like well we gotta see how far the the lions go I mean I think I don't know man like they lose early

is he gonna be hungry to kind of run it back and get it done if they win it all will that make him more inclined to leave I'm not really sure but he's I think it's all about the opportunities now and he's the bell of the ball man like everyone knows that he's been linked to every single head coaching job because everybody wants

his creativity he kind of has like a youthful fresh offense that I mean just like Look how well the lines are playing, man. That's really what it is. I know, but, like, devil's advocate. Like, look how good that offensive line is, you know.

Yeah. Like, look at the way their run game style. Agreed. And look how their organization is built. Like, everyone's rowing in the same direction. Like, everyone's bought in. You know, that doesn't happen overnight. The only problem is you get a young quarterback.

I say this every time he hire a culture guy, and I like some of the culture guy hires. But if you get a young quarterback and he's got a new coordinator and it works, that guy's going to be gone in two years. Yeah. So, you know, you're kind of signing up for that type of deal. Now, if it's Josh, maybe the, maybe the chess move is, if you think Josh is the guy, nobody's hiring Josh again.

Right. Like, and they shouldn't, like, you really shouldn't get three chances at being a head coach. Like, in my opinion, unless the first one went really fucking well. Yeah. Now, that sounds to say, I don't like Josh. But there's a lot of coaches in this cycle that are getting, you know, discussed as potential, you know, retreads. I mean, everyone's talking about fucking Rex Ryan.

uh b flow people are talking about b flow i feel like there's a couple others b flow would be i i like the i like the idea of b flow getting one of these jobs man i really do um but but the other one is mccarthy uh you know actually being given the hook yeah um after they denied him an opportunity to interview with chicago robert salla's getting linked to jobs too robert sala but i don't think i don't think sallow or rex ryan's getting his job but but the point is i think the value of interviewing some of these guys is learning about your organization you take as many of these interviews as you can to self-scout but but i do think the mccarthy thing is interesting because it kind of like they they they shot themselves in the foot right because over the biweek they could have

interviewed any number of guys and now they can't um and now they have to wait till after the playoffs and you could lose the game of musical chairs and then on top of that i think for mccarthy looking at it from like the export standpoint like where does he go I think Jacksonville might be a good fit. If they don't run into a guy that they're absolutely in love with, you want to talk about a high floor guy? Yeah. Like McCarthy, dude, fans are going to be up and down on McCarthy.

They just are. Yeah. If I'm Robert Salah, I'm Aaron Rogers guy, give me a fade. We got to fight. We got a fight. Because, like, when's he going to get a head coaching job again? It's like, you really fuck my shit up, bro. So by that logic, Mayo's got to fight RKK.

Oh, yeah. I'd buy that paper, yeah. Salah and Rogers? No. Well, yeah, I buy both of those. I think so. I might go to the darkness again. I mean, I think Saul will do that.

You got to make peace with it, not fight it. Yeah. I had a head coaching job and you single-handedly. No, he got out of there at the right time, man. No. Yeah. Bro, I just think there was nobody happier than him when he was wheeling his cart up and they were like, Robert, how are you doing?

He's like, I'm fucking at IGA instead of hanging out with that motherfucker. He got out there at the right. I feel like you guys are saying that, but I just feel like the opportunities and chances to be an actual head coach in the NFL. His opportunities leaving when he did are much better than they were if you left in week 14. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. And you have all the stat.

But I truly don't believe that the season would have been as bad if he was still there. Their defense was the only thing that was holding them up to that point. And he was that. As soon as they got him out of there, their defense was terrible. Everything was just. And that helps his case in head coaching interviews. and he already has interviews set up with the Jaguars and the Raiders. I think he probably gets a decent job this cycle.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, maybe too. Let me pose a question to somebody in the chat. This is from A. Lynch in the chat. Johnson would be stupid not to take a head coach job, even if he sucks, he will get paid in full after he gets fired and immediately becomes an OC again. What's your discounting is the fact that once you've had an opportunity and it wasn't

perfect, it kind of torpedoes your value if you want to get out there again. What he really wants to do is be a really successful head coach. Word to the wise. And I'm not talking about you, A. Lynch, but what I'm talking about is like for coaches, you did that last year for a reason. Who's to say this year is automatically not any better or any worse? Like if Chicago doesn't like him for some reason or he doesn't like Chicago, then where would you, where would you counsel your brother, Ben Johnson,

if he was in your family, to go coach? Seriously. I mean like are any of those jobs perfect well no Chicago's closer because he's got a young quarter young quarterback and a bunch of pieces and it's like an organization that absolutely has to get it right and they're going to give you everything you need to get it right but like the other ones Dallas

the ones he the one is the one that he is tied to a healthy amount is the Raiders right and it's because of his relationship like apparently him and Tom Brady hit it off they do have a ton of cast face and you have you get fired in two years but well who's the quarterback yeah well who's the quarterback in in do you want to work for a for a owner the other owner not brady who has been known to pull trig on the man that you know the person i'm not taking orders from anybody with a haircut i love mark davis but i'm just joking

i wouldn't i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to i just wouldn't want to go somewhere where we don't have a quarterback. Yeah. See any team in QB purgatory. I agree. It's like, or a high draft pick and, you know, you might not be in love with this year's draft class. Not a good quarterback. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I do, I do think devil needs an advocate here. Some things don't need it, but I think, do you think we will possibly see Dion Sanders as an NFL coach next season? Of course, possibly. I mean, like, I think he's after it, and I think his name's in the mix, but like, if the whole thing is like, you have to sign my, you have to draft my son. It's like a package deal well like that's pretty presumptuous that we want either you know what i'm saying if i'm an

owner like why do i have to oh and now i got to like both the place it would be would be would be dallas jerry i mean it's open for the taking yeah but but is d'i correct me if i'm wrong well i'm i'm not going to make an assertion let me ask yes has dion said he would go coach if his son somewhere else um not that i don't think you see not that i think he said like the Was it the Raiders he would be open? Like one place, I think he had mentioned that. Well, I think at that time they were angling to get Choudoir to the Raiders. But I think it's, yeah.

So I don't know. I don't know. My point is like to be, Ben Johnson's young, man. And I don't see Detroit being worse next year. Like, I don't see them being a lot worse. They might be, there might be other better teams. But they're going to be fucking good for a little while here. And, you know, I understand the jump ship get your money while you can.

but the jump shit get your money while you can't even if you get fired in a year is kind of a it's backwards way of thinking when you could pick the right job and be a king for a decade yes i agree that's what i would be after as a young coach but i mean ben johnson has been very selective he was very selective last year he had a lot of these same opportunities last year and he stuck around and look how fucking good they are and he ran from david pepper deion did say the only way i would consider coaching in the NFL is to coach my sons i don't okay and no disrespect because i'm like i'm a second generation football guy and i'm i'm i'm pretty appreciate the battle these guys have had,

but not everybody's going to want necessarily to pick that quarterback. And, you know, should or might end up being really good, but, like, you have to be, like, the chances of both things aligning to where, like, not only is a candidacy or, like, an opening interested in you, but they're picking high enough and liking your son enough to draft him. Like, that's just... Well, call me crazy.

I think that's a massive conflict of interest, too. How do you make a tough decision if your rookie quarterback is struggling? I mean, I don't know. What would you know, Nepo, baby? You fucking. I'm just joking. But boy, oh, boy, I would feel super weird in a situation like that. But, I mean, like, you know, like, if my dad's coaching me for real, like, that would be crazy.

Like, he was my head coach and I was a quarterback. But obviously, he's used to it. Right. And, like, listen, Sanders family's built different, bro. Like, that's a very, that's a mentally tough family. Like, he's mentally tough as shit. And maybe his son could deal with him. maybe should work and deal with it.

I just don't know if that's a super attractive combination for an owner. Yeah, no, I don't think so either. I guess the point I'm making is like that New England job, getting eaten up very quickly by Mike Brable, makes things very uncertain. Yeah. You know, like it whittles the, if you're an offensive boy wonder guy,

it whittles the really slam dunk jobs down to nothing. Now, Liam Cohen might be in love with Trevor Lawrence, right? Yeah. I think Liam Cohen to bears is interesting too. But then who gets the Raiders job? That's the biggest, because who do you think Tom's going to hire? Because Tom's doing a lot of the legwork on this thing. Tom and B-Flo have a history.

I love the B-Flo thing. Yeah. I want B-Flo back in the league. And I think Jacksonville for B-Flow also. Oh, but he was mean. Need that. And we didn't like Vic Fangio either. Yeah, exactly.

He sucks. Yeah. B-Flo sucks. He sucks. They're all mean. Need that. and then Raybo, like, the take on Raybro is that he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a tough son of bitch too, right?

All fucking coaches might be back, bro. Mean, yeah, I mean. Mean is in in 2025. Mean is in. Yeah. Too many, too many loaves and too many bull, too much bullshit going on on the field and everything. We can't have all these players back into shape. He was mean.

He was mean. You know, big fan, you know, he's definitely not nice. he's a nice guy but when you see Vic Fangio and you run up to him before the game he's just focused on the fucking game dude he's not going to do a bunch of pleasantries with you but he might be one of the reasons

the Eagles if they get a ring he'd be one of the biggest reasons it's Teddy Bridgewater's birthday today I hope you wish him a happy birthday isn't it? He did say that isn't it Drew Locke's birthday? It is it is a best Vic Fangio quote ever God he is a fucking piece of work and I barely

know him but he's hilarious He was captured on television with a zen right by his stuff. I know. I know. What was it a, what? It looked like a spearment to me. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Speaking of Teddy's back, right? Mm-hmm. Back up. That's great. How do you feel about Teddy? Did you see Teddy was on the pivot with Ryan? And he was talking about like that at their high school, they beat up their players

kind of. Like I don't want to miscategorize it. Like they fight them. Like they put towels on their hands at the half if they're not playing well and punch them. Meen is back. Meen is back in 2020. I love it.

Hey. You have to find a way to, but that's how well-like Teddy Bridgewater is. That that didn't really register. Everybody's like, yeah, you know. Because people, you have to, feed them up, Teddy. You got to understand. They got the championship.

Anything that starts with you got to understand is always good. Yeah. Like, you just got to understand the area that he grew up in and those kids and what they know. We wouldn't understand. We wouldn't understand. We wouldn't understand. They probably love Teddy.

I love Teddy too. I just was curious. He was right up your alley an issue like this. Are you pro fighting the players or pro not fighting? I mean, it's just one of those things. It just depends on. Just one of those things. It's hard to think about now, like, as a parent, but like.

If my coach hit me. Oh, my God. Dude, there was. In high school. Yeah. I'm 250. You were sitting right. What are we going to do?

You were sitting right next to me when I got, I got kind of tapped with a book in the behind my head. Well, that was your job. Take care of that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, what you do? Was it a self-help? You stop me.

You calm me down from getting up and probably getting kicked out of school. Well, because it's one thing for me to get myself kicked out of school, but when it's somebody else making a decision, I don't want to see that happen. You know what I mean? But that was funny. I forgot about that. I'll never forget about it. I bet you won't.

I bet you still like to go Teddy Bridgewater on the coach. I just want to get them back. Just be like, you remember this? All right. All right. Cool, cool, cool. I think that's everything. Good run.

Oh, it's a great run. But every race must end. We have run the race and we get to go watch Monday night football. We will be on camera again tonight watching ball. So please, like if you listen to this podcast and you want to just turn it on to some background noise or something, we'll be talking football. We'll be bullshit and we'll be having fun. Let's boost these live streams. number snipe.

You know? Oh yeah. If you don't text the live stream link to five people, something bad will happen to you. Pass it on. Merch? Yeah, we get merch.

We're being mean too. We'll get plenty of stuff away. You'll break both your legs. We're going to give away. I love those. You know, when people send me that shit, I'm like, do it. I'd rather break both my legs than be told,

fucking, I got to pass this on to five people. You know the whole like, yeah. When you have received. a message from a true friend. If you don't pass this on, a true friend sending you something that if you don't pass on, you're going to die. Yeah.

Fuck out of here. But pass the link on to five people. Something bad's going to happen. Games at 8, 745 will be live. Yeah. Sound good? Something like that. All right.

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You need a ride? Yeah. Okay. Oh, we got to drive. off here, didn't he'll be posted up. That's so good. And we'll end on a BenMGM. Let's end.

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and the song Tweakers has just earned him an $8 million record deal up to $13 million where he owns all of his music and he gets to start his own label. I just want to say shout out to LeVar Ball. Three sons.

They made LeVar Ball look so crazy for having having faith in his sons and just marketing them the way they did. And what do you know, all three sons, they ended up doing great. Lonzo had a little detour because of the shoes and the foot. But he's back playing ball. He makes 20 million a year. The younger son, Lamello, he's in Charlotte making 30-something a year.

And now Jello got the hottest song in the country, one of the hottest songs in Landon. himself a deal. This song dropped a month ago, bro. Imagine that. You dropping one song? I'm team Cameron. I'm sorry. Cameron? Yeah. Didn't he get into a beef with Cameron? Yeah, a little, little fat. I'm team Cameron, bro. But I mean, that's nothing. But it paid off, though. Look at this. Like, what is that? We're talking. Bro, it's, bro, a month. That's like, crazy. That's like, everybody turn in their laptops. We are now a record label here. Finally. But here's seriously, I want to do like, we'll just make a fucking, let's make like a fart album. and it's got to be like at least a mill just dudes farting

because it sounds like you can make money and put out anything you want I would rather listen to that it's just one of those things like with music here's the thing with music you never know what's gonna hit but like if it's like appeasing to is it good is this good the song like it actually is good he can rap put that shit on well I can't put it on we don't get flag by you

and it has like the song this has like memorable like but I'm team camera no Lonzo wrote Lonzo wrote on it And the ball family That's even more To Lavar He owns a label

The label's called No listen Like born to ball All Star Dad Made fun of Jason Whitlock That was amazing Um Raised three successful sons

Right Doing all types of crazy shit I just I just hated the narrative That they put on him Because What was the narrative? They were just like Oh he's too much

He's doing this Both things can be true? You know, it's like that dad at, you know, Little League that you're like, man, fuck, dude, let the kid live a little bit, but like, ultimately maybe he's helping his son. Maybe he's helping his son. Usually to the kid, that's usually the dad of the kid that's not that.

Not always, bro. I've seen some spikes really work out. Talk about Spike from Little Giants. You know, and then some kids, like, they just, you know, all the other kids get taller than them or something, you know, or the other or son, there's a lot of instances where the kids get burned out. Or no, who was that? Wasn't that

like a country music star with like Friday Night Lights, the crazy-ass dad. Oh, Tim McGrath. You're alive. I don't want your life, man. So yeah, man. Like, fuck yeah, LaVar Ball. Hell yeah, dude. But, but yeah, anyways, I'll go.

Okay, go ahead. Yeah. The Butter King. I was feeling myself yesterday. I had my Super Bowl ring on. Extended the show to tell. I had my little Keth Eagles gear on. I was surprised you didn't pick yourself in Kylie's corner as they're

King. Well, I was wearing makeup. I didn't want, bro. I didn't want that. You look like you just... Every time the country, I was like, is that a fucking drag queen? I look like a drag queen. You want to know what's... Dude, if you haven't seen the photos, you want to know what's funny? Listen, we're at the casino, and like,

I'm kind of sleep. I'm kind of, like, passing out, but the TV's on with the sleep timer. And it's on whatever channel, the football game was on ESPN. And I'm like, sleeping, kind of. And then I hear that, show start and I hear Bo's voice. And when I turn and look at Bo on the screen, I was like, what the fuck?

Facts, I didn't know I was doing that until half an hour before I got on my flight. The very next thing when I say, what the fuck, it's your bare ass. Yes. I did not know that Kelsey was putting that on there either. Yeah, bro, double what the fucks is the second. Bear ass was on that show. It was a picture of Bo laying butt naked on a bed. Laying?

Yes. With his bare ass face down. Yes. Yes. And they show down to easy. I was like, wait,

wait. Without my permission, I'm fucking suing ESPN, bro. I didn't know Kelsey's doing any of that. I didn't know you can, I didn't even know you're allowed to do that. Late night.

Show ass. That's like, that's so far forward. Yeah, you can show ass. Can you? On ESPN? People've been showing, showing asses.

Man. How'd I look, Nate? Bro. Like, double cheek up? Like, like, nah, bro.

And it's funny. I heard you say that. You were just like, yeah, no one's ever seen this picture until now. And I thought it was a big. Would you call it? Would you call it? Oh, I'm dead ass serious. I did not know that.

That's going up there. My mom watched that show. You call him a Becky. Bro. You brought it up. Alexis, Texas. Oh, no. Goodbye.

Goodbye. Hey, you know, we need the AOL. Goodbye. No, you need a, you need the, uh, nah. You need that. Yeah, we need George Picking. All right, y'all, that's enough. Thanks for being here.

We'll see you. I got to go home. I'm tired. You all take you. Later tonight. Yeah. See you later tonight.